Spirits, Pets & Haunted Places with Author Rob Gutro

This week on Dairyland Frights, John welcomes back a fan-favorite guest: Rob Gutro — author, paranormal investigator, meteorologist, animal rescue volunteer, and pet medium.

Rob shares stories from his many investigations, including "The Haunting of Emory Estate" in Massachusetts and "Ghosts of Linville Manor" in Maryland. From unsettling encounters with the “man in the gray suit” to the heartbreaking spirit of a child, Rob dives deep into the mysteries he’s uncovered and the methods he uses to connect with the other side.

We also explore:

• 👻 How humor and drag helped spirits communicate during investigations.

• 🏚️ The chilling history and paranormal activity of Emory Estate.

• 🐶 Messages from pets in the afterlife and Rob’s work as a pet medium.

• 🪞 The unusual case of a ghost attached to a mirror.

• ⚠️ Why Ouija boards can be dangerous.

• 📚 Sneak peeks into Rob’s upcoming books, including The Haunting of Hunt Memorial Library.

Whether you’re fascinated by haunted houses, curious about pets in the afterlife, or love eerie ghost stories, this episode is packed with paranormal insight and chilling encounters.

🔗 Learn more about Rob Gutro’s books here: RobGutroAuthor.com 🎧 Don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review Dairyland Frights wherever you listen!

Episode Transcript

Speaker A (00:00):
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Welcome to Dairyland Frights, the paranormalpodcast that covers everything spooky, creepy
and mysterious in the Midwest and beyond.
I'm your host, John, as always, and today Iwelcome one of my favorite guests.

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He is what I would call a Renaissance manbecause he does so many things.
Rob Gutrow, author, paranormal investigator,pet medium.
What else are you, Rob?

Speaker B (00:55):
Meteorologist.

Speaker A (00:55):
Meteorologist.
I love it.
Yeah.

Speaker B (00:59):
And animal rescue volunteer.

Speaker A (01:01):
Animal rescue volunteer.
And I love all that.
So Rob's been on a couple times before.
Some of my best downloaded episodes.
Rob, which I love.
And Rob was kind enough last year in October,he was on with other mediums and they were
talking.
We had a blast talking about, you know, their
craft and how they,

(01:21):
how they view different things dealing withthe paranormal and supernatural spiritual
world.
It was a blast.
So I wanted to have Rob on again because hehas some new books out which I have been
looking through and reading and enjoying.
Thank you very much for sending me this, Rob.

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So one of the things, and correct me if I'mwrong, but Rob has six number one new releases
on Amazon.
The first one, Ghost of Linville Manor, second
one, Haunting of Emory Estate.
We'll talk about those.
I'm so excited.
A ghost of the bird cage theater on a medium'svacation.

(02:04):
We talked about that in our first episode withRob.
We didn't get to it, but you know, obviouslyyou're into Tombstone and that's a very famous
haunted theater dealing with Wild Earp and allthose good guys.
Ghost of Ireland,
which we kind of talked a little bit in thefirst on his indication, which I love it.
Pets in the afterlife.

(02:24):
And also another pest in afterlife from
messages from spirit dogs.
Messages from the spirit cats.
So I love Rob because he's so well rounded andI like I said I like to call him a Renaissance
man because he does so much.
He's so talented.
And again, every chance I can get him on theshow back on the podcast.

(02:46):
I love it.
So welcome so much.

Speaker B (02:48):
Thank you, John. I hope I can live up to.

Speaker A (02:51):
I built you up.

Speaker B (02:52):
You did, you did.

Speaker A (02:53):
Thank you.
I did.
So, Rob,
let's just get right into it.
Let's talk about with your books and
everything.
Where do you want to start?Which, which one do you Want to start with.

Speaker B (03:05):
I think we can start with the.
The Haunting of Emory Estate, because that one
came out in January.

Speaker A (03:11):
Yeah.

Speaker B (03:12):
The next book that is on my list comes out in a couple of days.

Speaker A (03:15):
There we go.

Speaker B (03:16):
We can start with Emory first because it was.
It was a very unique experience for me.

Speaker A (03:23):
Yeah.

Speaker B (03:24):
And it was a. Is an historic property.
It's in Massachusetts.

Speaker A (03:27):
It is.

Speaker B (03:29):
The whole thing was put together by a paranormal investigator that I met during a
paracon in 2022 or 2023.
It's hard to remember.
Her name was Monique.
Too soon.
Monique is very unique in the paranormalfield.

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Here's a quick look at the COVID So Moniqueover here is the only paranormal drag queen.

Speaker A (03:56):
I love it.

Speaker B (03:57):
And so what's interesting about that, John, is that she.
She.
She does drag on.
On weekends.
Well, she used to do it a lot, but when Covid
hit, she decided that she would try and do itto see if she could elicit responses from
ghosts.
And she did that during the.
The pandemic.
And sure enough, she's become a triggerobject.
So it was fun to do this with her.

Speaker A (04:17):
Yeah, yeah.
And when you mean trigger, what do you mean by
that?I mean,
like center on,
you know, her or.
Or, you know, what.
What does that mean?

Speaker B (04:28):
Yeah, it means that she.
Because she dresses in drag, she.
And by the way, she's a seasoned paranormalinvestigator.
She'd been doing it for 15 years.
Super into all the tech stuff, new, brand new
tech stuff that she uses.
So by trigger object, what I mean is she's.
They.
They can't.
They can't figure her out in the beginning.
So in the very first time she said that shedid a paranormal investigation in drag, she

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said the first EVP was he's a lady.
So ghost had figured him out.

Speaker A (04:58):
Yeah, that, you know, that's really interesting.
One of my shows from Windy City, Para Fest, Ihad Frankie and Tammy on.
And by the way, not trying to get off on, youknow, having a different tangent here, but
they had, you know, they're into the LBGTQcommunity, and they had a drag queen show and

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everything.
And it was just.
I love it because again,
not to get out on a different tangent.
You be you, I be me, whatever.
I know that's not correct English, and I loveit.
Anything in the paranormal world that we cando differently to bring spirits into a new
world, I guess that's the best way, I think,because really what it is,

(05:44):
you know,
it's the same old, same old.
Right.
You go in, do an investigation,
I think, like things like the Estes method.
Okay.
Was. Even though that's a little bit away, youknow, from what they've been doing with some
groups and some groups don't do and whatever.
But it was kind of a newer method.
It's kind of being slowly adapted and probablyis more adapted now than it was in the past

(06:08):
couple years.
Again, that's what we need to do to reach
these spirits or to reach the new paranormalworld, supernatural, however you want to say.
Because they've been seeing.
Right, Rob. It's been the same old, same old.
You walk in,
I got my little meter,
right?I got my little meter.
I got my recording device.
Hey,
what is spirits here, talk to me.

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So, you know, that's awesome.
I love that.
Yeah.

Speaker B (06:32):
And it, it, it can be entertaining too, because she actually uses humor to break
the tension.
If we're in a really tough environment, a
hostile environment or a very nerve wrackingenvironment,
she'll, she'll just crack a joke or makesomething funny and that will help the people
that are on the investigation.
Now, the investigations that I've been on withher, and I think I've been on four, four or

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five, we actually do them all with people.
So we do, we do them with members of thepublic.
They're ticketed events and there's a limitednumber of people that can sign up for them.
In the.
The haunting of Emory Estate, this,
this event was ticketed for 40 people.
So we had two groups of people.
And Monique and I were not the only

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investigators.
There were.
There were three other investigators, oractually four other investigators.
One was Elora Huey.
She's an incredible medium in her own right.
Another one is, is Thomas Donahue.
He's another paranormal investigator in New
England.
And then we have a great team that Derek andCandace Fetters.
Derek is a tech guru and Candace is a medium.

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And they have a unique thing too that you
would like, John, because they go to placesthat have known children, ghosts.
Okay. And in order to get the children to beactive, to trust them, they dress up as Mr.
And Mrs. Santa Claus.

Speaker A (07:55):
I love that.

Speaker B (07:56):
Yes.

Speaker A (07:57):
I've never heard that.

Speaker B (07:58):
So here's a picture in the book of them.
And Thomas don't use on the other side.
So Monique, with her humor, she calls them the
paraclauses.

Speaker A (08:11):
That's awesome.

Speaker B (08:12):
Yeah, that's what she dubbed them.

Speaker A (08:13):
So I love that.

Speaker B (08:17):
And on several of the other investigations, a couple of the other
investigations we've been on, they have, theyhave been there too, which has been great.

Speaker A (08:24):
Yeah.

Speaker B (08:25):
Anna, Laura and, and David Childers.
They are.
They're together.
They're a team.
So they.
They come together too.
So he.
He's into the tech stuff.
She's a medium.
So we've got three tech people, we've gotthree mediums.
We've got a good, solid team.
So it's not just two people.

Speaker A (08:44):
Yeah, yeah.
So let's tell my spooky friends who don't know
anything about the Emory estate.
Could you give us a little background about
it, Rob?Like what, you know, some of the history or
just some of the.
Maybe paranormal behind it?

Speaker B (08:58):
Sure, sure.
The Emory estate is.
It's a mansion in.
In Weymouth, which is located south of Boston.
It was designed to resemble GeorgeWashington's Montpelier.
I mean, I'm sorry, Mon Vernon Estate.
Montpelier is the other president.
Mount Vernon Estate in.
In Virginia.
So the Emory estate sits on 24 acres, and it'son a big hill, and it's so high up that

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actually you have a great view of the Bostonskyline from this.
When it was built 1903,
it was constructed to be.
To have a sheep.
Sheep grazing area around there.
So just imagine,
you know, 24 acres on a hillside with a Bostonview and a barn and so forth.

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So in 1916, the estate was sold to the Emoryfamily,
and they were.
They had been really prosperous in the wool
trade.
And by 2011,
the Home and the surrounding area werepurchased by the town of Weymouth,
Massachusetts.
And that's when they opened it to the public.
They converted that 24 acres around there to a

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place called King Hill Park.
So today,
if you go to visit the mansion, you can walkaround this beautiful park with a great view
of Austin and enjoy it.
The Emory estate does.
Do. They do.
Do tours, historic tours, and they do have
paranormal tours, I think, that are stillgoing on.

Speaker A (10:22):
Okay.
And some of the paranormal behind there, whattypically is there, like,
with some houses?There's like.
There's the white lady or there's the guy witha black hat, or there's children.
So what's the big,
I don't know, theme or ghost or whatever youwant to say associated with that?

Speaker B (10:44):
The known ghost.
So we.
We actually didn't know.
We didn't know anything about this estate.

Speaker A (10:50):
Okay.

Speaker B (10:51):
So there are.
All we knew is that people have had
experiences, and that's all we've heard.
So Monique contacted the Emory estate, and
they had someone there that worked with her toset up this public tour.
She did not want to know any backgroundinformation.
When I found out that she was Doing this.
I. I contacted her again.
I met her, by the way, doing a pet reading forher.

Speaker A (11:13):
Nice.

Speaker B (11:14):
Because she has pugs.
And she.
She lost one of her pugs.
And she.
She says, she loves to say that she stalked meat the Maryland, the Massachusetts Paracon so
that I could do a reading for her.
Yeah. So the pets, you know, the pets makeconnections.

Speaker A (11:30):
Absolutely.

Speaker B (11:31):
So she.
She worked with this person to put this
together.
When I contacted her, I said,
I would.
I would love to come.
I would love to be a medium on your team.
She said, yep, perfect.
She got there like 20 minutes before I did.
When I pulled in and I was walking to thehouse, John,
I got this really strong sense of forebodingthat something was not right in the house.

(11:56):
Have you ever.
Has that ever happened to you?
Have you walked up to a particular structureand felt like, this is not going to be good?

Speaker A (12:02):
Yes, absolutely.
I've had.
I've told people.
When I was house hunting years ago now,
we. We were.
We with the real estate agent,
and we.
I went into the house and I just felt weird.
And then he go.
The real estate agent says to me, hey, let'sgo in the basement.
And I remember Rob looking at it.
And I went, no.

(12:23):
And he goes, why not?And I go, nope, I don't want this house onto
the next.
And, you know, I walked out of there.
And it was funny because I told my, you know,told my fiance at the time.
I was like, who's not my wife?
I told her, yeah, we're not doing that.
My wife's like, because you had a weird
feeling.
But, yeah, I hear what you're saying.
You get that weird.

(12:44):
Like something's off, right?
Yeah.

Speaker B (12:47):
Was the only.
So I decided I would make a video outside,
John.
And that's.
That's actually on my YouTube account.
It's like 20 second video.
And I just stopped and I had the house behindme and I said, I'm.
I'm looking at Emory State.
I have a really bad sense of foreboding before
I go in there.
This is just to make a note of that.
Let's see what happens inside.
And that was it.
That's all I said that that's the only video I

(13:07):
made all night.

Speaker A (13:08):
Yeah. So let me back up here, Rob.
The foreboding, was it evil or was it justlike,
get out?Or was it just like, man, this is heavy.
There's something happened in this house andI. I don't know what it is.

Speaker B (13:21):
So it was not evil, but it was manipulative and controlling.
And very stern and.
Yeah,
like somebody who wants.
Wants you to do only what they want you to do.

Speaker A (13:35):
Sure.

Speaker B (13:35):
This is the kind of entity that we ran into in there.
And, and it was a man.
And he, you know, we're sure that he livedthere, so he was the one, but he wasn't the
first one that we encountered.
So there was a. There was a couple of crazythings that happened here.

Speaker A (13:50):
Okay.

Speaker B (13:50):
First, when we walked through the house, Monique had done a quick run through
before I got there.
Just walk through.
And there are, there's a basement and there
are three levels.
And there's also what I call a crow's nest.
It's actually a.
It sits on the top of the mansion and it hasan.
It's a, it's a lookout where you can see a 360degree view around the property, including the

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Boston skyline.
That particular area really troubled me.
Going up the stairs to that lookout.

Speaker A (14:21):
Yeah.

Speaker B (14:21):
And there was residual energy in there.
So for the folks that don't know, residualenergy is energy impressed within the walls of
a structure based on emotions that somebodywas feeling at the time.
Well, ever was whoever used to run up intothat structure was afraid.
There was fear emanating from the walls ofthat structure.

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And I just thought, you know, why wouldanybody be afraid up in this beautiful,
this beautiful place where you can see 360degrees?
Well, it was, it was from a child.
So there was.
That didn't sit well with me.
And then we would later come to find out that
the man who was controlling was likelyresponsible for those feelings of fear within

(15:05):
the children.

Speaker A (15:06):
Yeah, right.
Yeah. And that's usually, that's usually the
case.
Right.
So one of the things I want to ask you, Rob,can you share like a surprising or challenging
thing you learned during the, the writing ofyour book and maybe also during your
investigation,
something that you know was surprising orchallenging to you, whether writing the book

(15:28):
or you're doing your investigation?

Speaker B (15:29):
I'll go about.
During the investigation, one of the things
that, that we always caution people is that,
that ghosts being negative emotional energycan influence the way you feel.
And you have to take your precautions.
You have to take protections.
When we went into one of the rooms on thesecond floor trying to get a better connection
with this one of these ghosts.
Suddenly there was a young lady that wasadversely affected by the negative emotional

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energy of this ghost.
And it happened to be the mean ghost, the
controlling one.
What he was doing, he was, he was lurkingbehind her.
And she called out and she said, hey, hey,guys.
I Feel terrible right now.
I. I feel really anxious,
very nervous.
I'm very depressed.

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I don't feel good emotionally and mentally.
And she said, I don't know what to do about
this.
And.
And I sensed that he was standing with her.
And I said, we need to get you out of here.
And Monique said, yes, let's take her backinto the other room.
And Monique directed myself and the othermedium to sit on either side of her.
I had some stones that I carry with me forprotection.

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I gave her one.
And we were able to get her calmed down and
get that negative emotional energy that thisghost was putting on her.
So that was surprising because that had neverhappened before.

Speaker A (16:51):
Really? Yeah. And that is common sometimes with
certain people in.
During an investigation,
where it's almost like the spirit searchesthat person out.
Right.
For whatever reason.
And maybe you're.
You know, I've had paranormal investigators on
there say I'm just overly sensitive orparanormal investigators have told me,

(17:13):
I don't know why it touched me.
I don't know why it was, you know,
trying to either hurt me or contact me orwhatever that might be.
Do you have any reason,
you think, why that would be why a personmight be searched out versus another?

Speaker B (17:32):
Yeah, that's a good question.
And I did think about that.
But I asked the woman, when she was telling ushow she was feeling, I said, are you medicated
for anxiety and depression?
And her answer was yes.
So right there, she.
She was in a weaker emotional state thanpeople who are not being treated for
depression or anxiety.
And that ghost took advantage of that woman.

(17:54):
He could feel.
Feel that she was vulnerable emotionally, andthat's why he went after her.

Speaker A (18:00):
Right.

Speaker B (18:01):
And I think that's.
Sometimes that happens.

Speaker A (18:04):
Yeah.

Speaker B (18:05):
Depends on the personality of the ghost and what they want.

Speaker A (18:08):
Exactly.
You hear that a lot with poltergeist.
Right.
And young.
Young women that they're emotional,
Especially being a young teenage girl, you'reemotional or teenage boy.
But typically, it's teenage girls, forwhatever reason, they're typically extremely,
extremely vulnerable because they're justgoing through a lot.

(18:31):
Right.
And you just have a lot of things going on.
And it's really interesting how that canaffect one person.
Did it affect the group at all when you werethere?
You know, you said you had your feelings forboating.
Was there anybody else that was kind of like,
yeah, this doesn't seem right.

Speaker B (18:47):
There were some people that were a little nervous, if you will.
And we also had some skeptics in the group.
Now, we had.
We had divided the group into three differentgroups of people out of the 40, 45, I think it
was.
So what's interesting is that we.
We took each group for an hour and.
And the groups rotated from the first floor tothe second floor to the third floor.

(19:08):
Monique and I decided we would.
We would stay on the second floor becausethat's where we felt most comfortable, and we
thought we could communicate more efficientlythere.
Third.

Speaker A (19:18):
The.

Speaker B (19:19):
The first floor didn't have anything on it, which was surprising.
The basement had some energy in there.
And you mentioned your.
Your basement experience.

Speaker A (19:27):
Yes.

Speaker B (19:29):
So when I went down to the basement, I immediately heard a child shush
another child.
And there was no children there.
It was only me and Thomas Donahue.
And then I learned the reason why.
And that was.
You know, there are a lot of.
A lot of questionable things that went on in
there, but there was also a. They.
They set it up like a Bible school in the

(19:50):
basement.

Speaker A (19:51):
Sure.

Speaker B (19:51):
One of the families was extremely religious that owned the property.
And when you get.
Way back.
When you get religious folks, they can be verystrict.

Speaker A (20:01):
Yeah.

Speaker B (20:02):
And they can be strict to the point of being mean.
And that's actually what happened with thisguy that I call the man in the gray suit,
because that's how he appeared to me.
He was the one that caused all the trouble inthis house.
So there was the basement, the third floor,and second floor.
We did not want to stay on the third floorbecause when Monique and I both went up there

(20:23):
before the investigation,
it was not a good feeling.
She got the sense of some female ghost upthere that also had attitude.
And, John, you know how sometimes when youlook at something,
it may give you the creeps?

Speaker A (20:40):
Sure.

Speaker B (20:41):
Well, the windows in the end room on the second floor look like the windows in
the Amityville estate.

Speaker A (20:47):
Gotcha. Yeah. That freaks out when.

Speaker B (20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker A (20:51):
Ghost with attitude.
That's always interesting to me because,
again,
it takes a lot of energy for these ghosts todo anything,
whether it's a full apparition, which would, Iguess, would take a ton of energy.
I don't know if that's true, but I'm from allmy research and all my interviews.
That takes a lot.
It does also to move something,

(21:14):
to communicate something.
I'll take different energies.
And to even have that attitude is reallyinteresting to me, too, because being
sensitive, you pick that up, and that'sreally, you know, because you're like, they
were people once.
Right. And, you know, I had a discussion with.
A couple of discussions with some of my
paranormal investigators when they weretalking about.

(21:35):
When they were.
They were living in a haunted house, and they
started doing renovation.
And whoever was in that spirit, in that housedid not like it and pretty much gave the
attitude of, like, you need to stop.
Why?You know, they're like, hey, I needed.
And I. I just.
I just find that fascinating.
That's really interesting.
So that kind of deals with my next question,

(21:55):
Rob.
So, like, in your experience,
because you said you had a whole differentgroup of people and you went through this and
everything, and we'll talk about a little bitmore about that, but what's always interesting
to me, and like I said, in your experience,what are some of the most common
misconceptions the public has about paranormalinvestigation?

Speaker B (22:14):
That you should.
A misconception would be that you should
provoke them and get them mad to react.
That's the worst thing you can do.

Speaker A (22:23):
Absolutely.

Speaker B (22:24):
Yeah. You need to treat them with respect.
I mean, I always tell people that, hey,they're invisible.
They're invisible people who are dead.
And as people,
you don't want to get anybody angry.
You want.
My mother used to say, you get more bees withhoney.

Speaker A (22:38):
Right, right, right.
Absolutely. My misconception is.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
Rob, is too, like, people watch too manymovies, right?
They expect.
You watch the Conjuring,
right?You watch.
But you come into that attitude of like,either, you know, I go in there, something's
bad going to happen to me, or there's going tobe a face that, you know, jump scared.

(23:01):
Not to say that that has not happened, butit's rare, right?
Would you agree with that, Rob?

Speaker B (23:08):
Absolutely.
So, John, we encountered three ghosts.
That man in the gray suit was only one ghost.
He was the mean one.
But one of the other ones was a very nice,
kind of almost cheerful little boy.
Um,
and he was someone that we.

(23:29):
That turned out he died while on the property,
but he didn't belong to the family.
He wasn't a member of the family.
He chose to stay there, earthbound, in themansion, because he died on the property.
The mansion was the next closest structure.
And as I always tell people, ghosts will go to
the next closest structure to haunt it.

(23:50):
So, for instance, if this mansion ever got
torn down,
the ghosts that are within them would go tothe next closest house or structure or
whatever, and that's where they would go.
But this little boy died outside.
And we have an idea of what happened to himthat's in the.
In the book.
But he reached out to Monique and.

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And I could sense him, and I could see him inmy Mind.
As a matter of fact, I drew a sketch of himreaching out to Monique just as I drew a
sketch of the man in the gray suit.
You probably can't see, see this, but it's inthe book.
When he was reaching out to Monique,
we, so we had everybody, we had our groupsitting around this room, around this big

(24:32):
table, like a conference table.
Monique had set up her laptop and her phasma
box, which provides answers, vocal answers toquestions.
We had tripwire that was triggered byelectromagnetic fields lined around.
We had a hot cold sensor at the door, so shehad a whole bunch of equipment.
And the hot cold sensor went off at the door,the entrance to the stairway.

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And we sensed a little boy there, so we askedhim to say something to mo'.
Nique.
And in the, on the phasmobacks came out the
words hi Monique, clear as day.
And everybody in the room just, their mouthsjust dropped.
Yeah, because the only thing we heard beforefrom that was one, you know, spotty word or

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something or, or we heard a heartbeat, whichis another,
that's another thing that we later proved whywe were hearing a heartbeat.

Speaker A (25:29):
Wow.

Speaker B (25:29):
So.
So yeah, so there was a little boy there andwe had to figure out why he was there, what he
was doing there,
and, and trying to help him.

Speaker A (25:39):
Yeah, and that, that must be tough, right?
Like how you know, and help.
Do you mean, you know, as they say, go into
the light or.
What do you mean by that?

Speaker B (25:50):
Yeah, we meant to cross him over to help him go into the light because he
apparently.
So when he died, he, it was a sudden accident
and he was, as happens with people who die incar accidents or die suddenly in any accident,
yet they,
they linger too long and they get confused andthey stay too long and eventually they lose

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energy so that they don't have enough energyto open that doorway to died.
That's what I've come to, to reason is thatwhen we die, we are, we are a full charged
battery with our memories and personality andour knowledge once we linger, if we decide to
stay on earth, trying to figure out whathappened if we stay too long,
just like an ever ready battery, that chargegoes way down.

(26:32):
And you can't, you can't open that doorway tothe other side.
You need somebody to help open that doorway.
And that's what happened to this little guy.

Speaker A (26:40):
Sad.
And that's common, that's really common tohear in a lot of places,
especially children in houses, jail cells,asylums,
I mean, where they,
you know, it's just terrible.
You know what a little Kid might go through
whether they're in a jail with, you know, amurderer, because no one understood,

(27:04):
maybe we shouldn't put the murders with thelittle children.
And then in an asylum.
This little kid today might be considered ADHDor ADD or whatever.
Oh, there's something wrong.
It's the devil.
Throw him in the asylum.
And that's just.

Speaker B (27:20):
That's what they used to think.

Speaker A (27:22):
Yeah. That's horrible.

Speaker B (27:24):
Interesting that you brought that up.
Have you ever heard of the Pennhurst Asylum inPennsylvania?

Speaker A (27:28):
Yeah.

Speaker B (27:29):
So last year, I had.
I was invited to.
To go there and speak as a pet medium.
And I went into one of the 32 buildings there.
Have you been there?

Speaker A (27:42):
No, I have not, But I've heard.

Speaker B (27:43):
A lot about it.

Speaker A (27:44):
Interesting.

Speaker B (27:45):
Yeah, it's a crazy place.
So because I was there, you know, from wearing
my pet medium hat, I was.
I didn't want to do investigations in there
because it wears me out emotionally, mentally.
Physically. So I had to go into one building.
There's a gift shop and stuff.
And there's a little stage area.
And they had a little reception for the people

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who were invited.
So I went in this building, and one of thepeople that was working there walked me around
one building and then took me upstairs to thesecond floor.
And suddenly I heard a little girl scream.
Now, there was nobody else up there.
And I turned to the person with me and I said,
did you hear that?
And she said, no.
And I told her what I heard.

(28:26):
And she said, well, that makes sense, because
this is the child's wing of the asylum.
This is where all the children were kept.
And they had to scream in order to get
attention because nobody would hear themtalking.
They had to be very vocal because they wereoften.
Some of them were restrained and so forth.
So, you know, I was like, oh, my gosh.

(28:48):
You know?
So I looked at that person, and she said, doyou want to go on the paranormal investigation
tonight?And I said, no,
I do not.
I need my energy for tomorrow.

Speaker A (28:58):
Yes, I could see that.
So, getting back to the Emory estate, you saidthere was three go.
So there was the gray man, the child, who wasthe third.

Speaker B (29:07):
It was a very unusual situation.
It was a. A man who decided to attach himselfto a piece of furniture that was special to
his wife.
This was also a piece of furniture that the
estate was bought after it was closed.
It had nothing to do with the estate.

Speaker A (29:26):
Okay.

Speaker B (29:26):
It was very strange.
And what happened with this particular pieceof furniture.
And it's very rare that a ghost, an earthboundghost, will attach themselves to an object.
But there was a loving reason behind this.
This was his wife's morning makeup mirror, andhe loved watching her in the mirror.
But something freaky happened to tune us intowhat this mirror is.

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Monique sat in front of the mirror, and it hasthree panels.
And suddenly she said.
She looked in the left panel, and there was animage of an old man.
And she.
She's like, what was that?
So her image was.
Were in the other two panels.

Speaker A (30:07):
And she.

Speaker B (30:08):
She got up and she.
She told me about it, and she said, okay,
let's have.
Let's have the.
The women in the group go sit in front of this
mirror.
Well, John,
they started going in one at a time, and thesame thing happened to them.
Um, and then they started going in two at atime because they were afraid.

Speaker A (30:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (30:29):
Um.

Speaker A (30:30):
Wow.

Speaker B (30:31):
So this man was.
Yeah.
Attached to this mirror.
So that's a picture of the mirror.

Speaker A (30:37):
Yeah. And that makes sense.
You know, that is similar to what they call
stone tape theory.
Basically,
different spirits, energies are absorbed intodifferent objects, different buildings,
different.
It's a fascinating theory.
And it.
What always makes me interested in it is, ofcourse, you know, Annabelle and all the.

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Whatever's coming out right now, like, howthey actually affect people in the world
today.
Like Monique. Right. That. It was.
He. You know, this was something beloved to
him.
His wife was beloved to him.
So, you know, someone sits down.
Hey, what are you doing?

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Please don't use this.
I'm gonna make sure you don't.
I mean, that's.
That's unbelievable.
Right?

Speaker B (31:26):
And she.
She has the ability to scry,
too.
Yeah. And in her daytime job, she.
She's a hairdresser, so she's got a lot of
mirrors in front of her, so that kind of makesit challenging.
But she says she does.
Okay.

Speaker A (31:41):
I love that combination.
Because.
Could you.
Could you see.
Not to make fun of Monique.
Monique, I'm not here to make fun of you, But
I could see you some days doing someone'shair.
Oh, you know, this looks nice.
Yeah.
Okay, we'll do that.
Just scream,
my hair.
You don't like it?
Oh, no, it's.
Well,
I better not tell you what I saw exactly.

(32:03):
As someone who researches paranormal
phenomenon and, you know, also writes booksabout it, how do you decide?
Because you told me a bunch of stories, whichare all awesome and frightening, by the way.
But what.
How do you decide what experiences to includein your stories?
Because obviously you had a number ofexperiences.

(32:25):
How do you go and be like, oh, that one.
That was.
Okay, maybe not this One.
How do you decide that?

Speaker B (32:30):
Usually I don't include a lot of the residual stuff.
It's more of the interactive hauntings that.
That I put in there.
And by the way, the.
In the Haunting of Emory Estate, the man in
the gray suit came into play at the end of thenight involving the little boy.
And it really left us in a really badposition.
So that's all I'm going to say.

(32:51):
I think people should.
People should get the book and read it.
There are sketches that I've made of both the
man in the Gray suit and the little boy.
There are pictures in here of.
Of this.
Yeah.
So it's the residual energy part that I don't
talk about as much.

Speaker A (33:05):
Yeah. Yeah. So a question to go along with that.
And this.
This happened to me, and this is probably, I'm
guessing, happens to you.
So when I've been researching things for
certain topics, I'm going to be maybe talkingto a guest or maybe just interested in.
I was researching this one demon house inIndiana.

(33:26):
It's been on a number of different shows.
Did a documentary on a Zach Baggins called the
Demon House.
It's in Gary, Indiana.
He has toured it down.
Is no longer there.
But people still go there and believe that
there is some type of portal to help.
And it has an effect.
I mean, cops, priests, doctors, nurses,

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all have validated when this family came inand, you know, shared their experiences with
them.
Whether the cop comes to the house,
them going to the hospital.
And all have said that that house is haunted.
And it is bad.
It's really bad.
So when I was doing that, I kind of felt likeI was being watched.

(34:07):
And I remember I went to the.
My office door because I close it, because I
like to do stuff after hours for research.
That's just the way I work.
And something was telling me, rob, don't open
that door.
There's something behind that door.
Has any experience like that happened to youwhen you were researching this talk where
you're like, something's off?

Speaker B (34:28):
It's. Well, not so much when I'm researching, but when I'm there.

Speaker A (34:31):
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker B (34:32):
When I.
What always comes as a surprise is when I.
After I do an investigation, then I do.
Then I research the history of the place, andthen things start to fall into place.
Like, for instance, I didn't know who the manin the gray suit was.
I didn't know why he would have that kind ofattitude.
But then I was able to figure it out based onthe history of the house and the people that

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live There.
So it makes a lot of sense why he behaved theway he did and why there was even residual
energy of fear in different places throughoutthe house.
So, yeah, so those things are surprising, butI kind of want them to be surprising because I
have to make sure that the history is includedto give the whole picture.

Speaker A (35:14):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And so you didn't feel anything followed you
home from the Emory estate?You didn't feel, like, when you started
putting this book together, like, I think theman in the gray suit wants to tell me
something, or, you know, maybe you put thatsketch in there and something happened?
Anything like that?

Speaker B (35:33):
No. Typically when we do an investigation, when we leave,
we will.
We will ground ourselves.
And one of the ways that.
That we ground ourselves is we will go to a
nearby tree and we will put our hands againstthe tree, and we will let all the negative
energy go out through us down to the tree,into the earth and be dispelled.
You can also take shower water.

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Energy is purifying.
You can carry those stones of protection.
Another thing that the inspired ghost trackinggroup that I belonged to back in Maryland used
to do was they would give people somechocolate.
Chocolate raises your endorphin levels aspositive energy,
and that dispels negative energy.
And we had lots of chocolate at the Emoryestate.

Speaker A (36:13):
I was gonna say, did the kids steal it?

Speaker B (36:15):
They were no kids in the investigation.
Oh, the ghost kid.

Speaker A (36:18):
Ghost kid, yes.
Ghost kid.
Yeah.

Speaker B (36:20):
No, he couldn't.
Yeah, I'm sure he was wanting it.

Speaker A (36:25):
I thought maybe you see, like, you guys have, like, I don't know, Reese's peanut
butter cups or something.
You see it floating?
You like, that's interesting.

Speaker B (36:33):
Well, that's what I'm going to do when I'm on the other side.
I mean, you'll see those Reese's peanut buttercups floating, and you go, look, it's Rob.

Speaker A (36:40):
It's Rob. Hey, give it back, Rob.
Come on, buddy.
Get it up as awesome.
So anything else about the Emory estate you
want to share with my spooky friends?That was a little more like.
Like behind the scenes, maybe didn't get inthe book.
And maybe you're thinking, should I put itthat in the book?
But you decided not to.

Speaker B (36:59):
Well, really was the only thing was really organizing the whole thing.

Speaker A (37:05):
Sure.

Speaker B (37:06):
I could, I could go on and on about how.
How to organize it, how, how we gaveinstructions to each group, how we taught
people how to use the equipment and what kindof equipment we had and, and.
And all that, but,
you know, all intents and purposes, with thestory to make it flow quicker.
I left all that stuff out.
So. No, there, there was nothing.
Nothing really that I left out of thisinvestigation.

(37:29):
It was only a five hour investigation, John.
So.

Speaker A (37:33):
Okay.

Speaker B (37:33):
You know, and.
But there was enough for a book.

Speaker A (37:36):
Wow.
Yeah. And like I said, that's on my readinglist, you know, because that's five hours and
you got a book out of it.
Well, that, that's saying a lot.

Speaker B (37:46):
So Monique and I have teamed up for a follow up book.

Speaker A (37:50):
Yeah.

Speaker B (37:52):
And this one is going to come out January 1, 2026.
When,
when we published the Haunting of Emory Estatethis past January,
we needed,
we needed to have a place to, to do the.
Our book launch, if you will.
So Monique has a friend that manages the HuntMemorial Library in Nashua, New Hampshire.
Now the Hunt Memorial Library used to be.

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And the home of the library for Nashua, butthe library outgrew it.
So the library moved to another building.
And the Hunt Memorial Library is used for
events and so forth.
So we had our book signing there.
Afterward we had a paranormal investigation
because the person who manages it said thatshe has encountered ghosts in working there.
So we had 20 members of the public and thatis, that was a three hour investigation and we

(38:39):
had much more.
So I'm going to give you a sneak peek of the,of the, the COVID Nobody has seen it yet.

Speaker A (38:45):
All right.

Speaker B (38:46):
This is the haunting of Hunt Memorial Library.

Speaker A (38:50):
Wow.

Speaker B (38:50):
So, yeah, so once that comes out, we'll, we'll talk about it.
It's just, it's crazy.

Speaker A (38:54):
Yes, please.

Speaker B (38:56):
But there's another book that comes out in two days.

Speaker A (38:59):
Yes.

Speaker B (39:00):
Yeah, this one, Ghosts of the Linville Manor Investigating Maryland's most
haunted house.

Speaker A (39:06):
Yes.
I was reading what you sent me on here andeverything and yes, it says you can stay
overnight in Maryland's most haunted house andread about the many ghosts they're in a new
book called Ghosts of Linville Manorinvestigating Maryland's most haunted house.
And then obviously what I think is reallyinteresting is you have all these different

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things you can talk about about yourparanormal team called in about an unruly
ghost in the basement.
It's always that basement.
Right, the basement.
What happened with, with that?

Speaker B (39:38):
So as you mentioned before, renovations will not sit well with an earth on
ghosts.
Yeah,
that's what happened.
We were called to.
Well, I, I actually got the call from theowner of Linville Manor and he, he had bought
the house not too long ago and he was,

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he was fixing the house and updating the houseso that it could become like an event place
and people could rent the house out and stayovernight.
He encountered a lot of ghosts while he wasthere in the basement.
He said that they were doing.
He wanted to make it into a tiki bar in the
bas.

Speaker A (40:14):
But okay.

Speaker B (40:15):
And there was.
There was an old boiler down there and a whole
bunch of old things.
And when those things got moved out, that'swhen everything happened, started happening.
And he didn't say that.
He didn't know that.
When I got there and I was doing the
investigation with another medium and Tom onmy other half, I asked him, I said, so what
happened?
When did the.
When did this start?

(40:36):
And he said, three weeks ago.
And I said, well, what happened in the
basement three weeks ago?
And then he told me that the boiler wasremoved.
Now, here's the other thing.
The existing house, this one was not built
until 1852.
Previously, there was a house that stood therebefore, and it burned down.

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So this house is built on that originalfoundation.
It was that original foundation, even the.
The stone part of that original foundationthat was disturbed, and that brought the ghost
forward.
And he was not happy.
He was absolutely not happy.
So we had to figure out who he was and why he
was there.
And that's in the book?

Speaker A (41:16):
That's in the book.
And, yeah, I look forward to,
you know, again, reading that and everything.
What do you think,
like, when places burn down and you build backon it?
You know, I understand, like, Native Americanburial grounds in some areas,
basically,
houses and neighborhoods are built upon burialgrounds especially.

(41:40):
But why do you think this property?Was there anything,
you know, you can kind of give me a sneak peekof why a ghost would or unruly spirit would
want to haunt this location?

Speaker B (41:53):
Oh, sure.
There were quite a number of families that
lived in these.
These houses.
There were quite a number of family membersthat died in these houses.
And some of them really loved the house, whichis why they chose to stay the earthbound.
Some of them feared crossing over.
One of them was blamed for something that he
did not do intentionally.

(42:14):
So he wants his story told.
Some of them died in the fire.
There's a whole host.
So when I walked in that front door of.
Of the manor, the Lynnville Manor, and this isin Upper Marlboro, Maryland.
It's a suburb of Washington, D.C.
when I walked into the front door, I countedfive dead people standing there in the.
Standing there looking at me.
I was trying to talk to Wynne Brewer, who

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owned the manor, and, you know, the othermedium and Tom were there, and we were all
standing together and I'm like,
okay, there's this guy and there's this womanand there's a little girl.
And when I talked to Troy afterward, after wemoved out of the hallway, I said, troy, can
you tell me if you sensed anybody in thehallway watching us?
And he goes, yeah, funny that you mentionedit.

(42:56):
There were five people.
One of them was a little girl,
et cetera, et cetera.
And.
Yeah, okay, just.
Just check.

Speaker A (43:03):
Yeah. I mean, and obviously that's in the book and everything.
5. You know, that's like walking into, likewhen you show up late at a party or something
and everybody, like, turns around at you andyou're like, everyone.
You know, that's.
That's unbelievable.

Speaker B (43:20):
Yeah. Because they want to know who was coming into their house.

Speaker A (43:23):
Yeah, right.
What?
My goodness.

Speaker B (43:25):
You know, that wasn't all of them either.

Speaker A (43:28):
Really? Yeah.

Speaker B (43:29):
That was not all.

Speaker A (43:31):
So when you say all of them, do you have a grand total?

Speaker B (43:36):
I didn't add them up, but there was.
There was.
We had to cross one over.
That was crazy,
right?Yes, we gotta.
We had to go up to one particular one to dothat.
Yeah,
the.
The basement ghosts.
We had to work.
Work with the basement ghosts to try and rampdown the energy.

(43:57):
There were dead people outside that would goback into the manor at night.
And so this is how I found out that there wasa fire.
Because I knew nothing about the manor.
This is how I found out there's a fire.
We.
Troy. Troy and Tom and I walked around theproperty first, and he encountered encounter a
farm worker who kept going in and out of thehouse.

(44:20):
And he's like, okay, obviously there was afarm here.
He sensed that there was a horse barn in theback.
And confirmed later by Wind brewer that therewas a horse barn.
He encountered the spirit of a dog who hadcrossed over with a tragic story.
We confirmed that.
That's in the book.
There's so many things that are crazy.
But I went in the backyard and I looked at

(44:43):
Troy and I said, oh, my God, Troy, my head ison fire.
I said, what?
Is my hair actually on fire?And it was Tom Rather, and he's like, no,
there's nothing wrong with you.
Your head.
He said, that's not saying there's nothing
wrong with you.
But there's, you know.

Speaker A (44:56):
Yeah, there's nothing.

Speaker B (44:57):
Your hair is not on fire.

Speaker A (44:59):
Yeah. You're not on fire.
Yeah.

Speaker B (45:01):
Turns out it was a woman,
a ghost who died in the fire.
And she was.
I walked right into her pathway.
She keeps running out.
And she told me that she.
Her hair Caught fire when she was trying to
get out of the.
The burning house and she was running to a
body of water.
Now, I didn't see a body of water behind thehouse.
I asked when, and he said, yeah, sure enough,there's a body of water.

(45:22):
You can't see it from the house.
It's like a quarter mile away or somethinglike that.
Yeah,
but that's where she was going.
So I was able to confirm that too.
But you know, when.
When you walk outside, John, you don't expectyou to feel your hair on fire.

Speaker A (45:37):
Yeah, obviously not.
That would be bad.

Speaker B (45:42):
Yeah.

Speaker A (45:43):
With this especially east coast Maryland, in that area is Rich and poltergeist
ghosts, just paranormal in general.
So how did this.
Was this a label?
The owner said, this is the most haunted housein Maryland, or is this really the haunted
house in Maryland?

Speaker B (46:03):
He's done some looking into the different hauntings in Maryland.
And so in one of my books, Case Files ofInspired Ghost Tracking, there were eight
ghosts in a manor in Maryland in a suburb ofBaltimore.
But this one has more.
And they're all.
They're all from different time periods.

Speaker A (46:21):
That's so interesting.
That's so interesting to me that that can
happen and you could do overnight stays there.
Is that correct?

Speaker B (46:30):
Yeah, people can rent the manor out, kind of like an Airbnb, if you will.

Speaker A (46:34):
Yeah.

Speaker B (46:35):
And they can rent it out and they can stay in different rooms.
One of the interesting things about this booktoo, is that Win has a.
He has a.
What do you call it, a journal that he.
He keeps open for people who visit and they
write down their experiences.
And there are quite a few of their experiences
also in this book.

(46:57):
So it's not just me, it's not just our team,it's not just the owner.
It's people that actually stayed at.
At the manor that had had a lot of crazy
things.

Speaker A (47:07):
I've heard of that.
A different Airbnbs that are haunted, or
whatever you want to call the bed andbreakfast, and so on and so forth and people
writing that down.
Personally, I would write, I see a ghost and
then run.
And then people would be like, that's it.
Okay.
Is there any room that is more haunted thanothers in Linville Manor?

(47:30):
Like, this is the room you gotta stay in.

Speaker B (47:32):
The ballroom,
the lounge, There's a number,
the Overlook Bedroom. There's.
There's a.
There's a bathroom.
It's in pink and it's called the non believers
bathroom.
So you don't have to stay in a particular
room.
You can just go up to this non believer's
bathroom,
and you will be unnerved.
There's a. There's a chapter in the book about

(47:53):
that.
That particular room.
So every room has a chapter in this book andthe different experiences that happen within
each room.

Speaker A (48:02):
Hmm. I love that.
Yeah, that's definitely an interesting read.
And to find out, wow, so many different roomshave so many different paranormal experiences
in it.
So let me ask you this, Rob.
You said you had skeptic in some of yourgroups and everything.

Speaker B (48:16):
Yes.

Speaker A (48:16):
How are you? How do you handle that?
Because it's nothing.
You want to turn them off the paranormal, but
you also don't want to sit there and argue forthe next how many hours that was.
That was the light, that was dust.
And I use orbs as a big thing.
I am not.

(48:37):
Even though I love the paranormal andeverything orbs to me, I can see how it gets
tricky because I've spoke to a lot ofparanormal investigators, and they're like,
yeah, 90% of them are not what you think theyare.
How do you handle when the skeptic is like,did you hear that?
And then they go, no, I didn't hear anything.
Rob, did you see that?

(48:58):
I didn't hear any.
I didn't.
Didn't see anything.
So how do you work with that, with thatperson?

Speaker B (49:04):
Well, I usually ask if there are other people that heard the same thing or see
the same thing or feel the same thing.
Cold spots are one thing that people will
feel.
And I will check to see if there's a draftcoming from somewhere to try and, you know,
debunk it, but it's really seeing if anybodyelse in the group experienced the same thing.
Um,
I, you know, I agree with you about orbs.

(49:24):
I have found in all my years of investigatingthat orbs, generally, the ones that have
colors and designs in them are more likely tobe a genuine orb, which is an earthbound ghost
or a spirit who's crossed over in the mostsimple form that requires the least bit of
energy.
And in some of the orbs, actually, that Ihave, we have pictures of in these books,

(49:46):
there's one that has a face.

Speaker A (49:48):
Ooh.

Speaker B (49:48):
So you can actually clearly see the face, and it's a face of a woman who was
murdered in a home that I did an investigationin.
So. So some of them do.

Speaker A (49:57):
Yeah, right.
It's a. It's a tricky subject, right?

Speaker B (50:00):
Yeah, yeah, it's a tricky subject.
But when you have.
When you're doing a public paranormalinvestigation, John, and you've got members of
the public and some of them are skeptics.
That energy winds up being blocking.
It actually blocks the energy from the ghoststhat want to communicate.
So when we did our third group in, when we gotour Emory estate and we were upstairs on the

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second floor, where we had been communicatingwith the little boy, where we had been
communicating with the man in the gray suit,suddenly everything went dead.
We're like, hmm, this doesn't make sense,because we had two groups for an hour and a
half apiece, and we were activelycommunicating with two different ghosts.
And now suddenly there's nothing.
So I moved into another room.
That's when the man in the gray suit took

(50:44):
advantage of that woman with depression.
Then we moved out of that room because that
was not a good room.

Speaker A (50:50):
Right.

Speaker B (50:51):
So, yeah.
So the people who are very skeptical should
probably not go to a paranormal investigation.

Speaker A (50:58):
Yeah.

Speaker B (50:59):
Because your energy acts as a block.
Ghosts can.
Ghosts can sense who wants to communicate
because they really want to tell their story.
Anyone who doesn't want to hear their story or
acts as negatively in terms of trying to gettheir story out.
You're dampening that energy.

Speaker A (51:16):
Yeah. So let me ask you this, too.
I've had this interesting discussion again
with some of my paranormal investigators andeverything,
and they said they have gone into areas thathave been.
How do you say?
Investigated.
Yes, that's a word.

Speaker B (51:34):
Yeah.

Speaker A (51:35):
And they said they just does nothing.
Like, they can't.
Their medium can't.
Can't feel anything.
Whoever is sensitive can't feel anything.
And so my question is, do you think ghostsjust, like, people are like, enough, you know,
just don't.

Speaker B (51:51):
Yeah,
yeah, absolutely.
And I've also found that ghosts will talk tothe people they want to talk.
You know, it's just like being a livingperson.
There are certain people that we feel drawn tothat we want to talk to.
And conversely, there are people that we don'twant anything to do with.
And ghosts do the same thing.

Speaker A (52:12):
Yeah. Yeah,
I think that's.
Again, as a skeptic, I can see why you can be
like, really?
You know, but they were people.
There were people once, whether being
mistreated, whether doing something good orsomething,
you know, who knows where you're a person.
It's just like, you know,
when you pass.

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When we both pass on, let's say we stay in our
homes and someone comes in and is Peyton, thebathroom red?
We're like, we don't,
you know, paint it red.
That's terrible.
You know, we're going to be like, probably,
hey, stop it.
You know, because we're like,
what are you doing in my house?You know, it's.
You still think it's a part of you.

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And that's what a lot of ghosts do, right?
That's what, you know, unfortunately, make badghosts or evil ghosts.
And sometimes a good ghost, you know, wherethey're trying to help, you know, with
whatever there may be trying to, you know,
they did not get in their past life.
Who knows?
So, again, I find that really interesting.
So I always have to ask this question,

(53:16):
Rob. I'm sure I don't know if you've done it,but I am totally against it.
Has anyone ever come in and said, hey, let'sget off the Ouija board and see what we can do
and see what we could do to provoke thespirit?

Speaker B (53:29):
Nope.

Speaker A (53:30):
That's good.
And why is that a bad thing, you think, or a
good thing, maybe?

Speaker B (53:36):
So Ouija boards are a tool that you can use to communicate with either earthbound
ghosts or spirits who have crossed over.
But you have to.
What you're doing is you're opening a doorway,and this doorway is extremely wide.
And so that means anybody can come in, notjust the people that you're hoping for.
And sometimes the people that you're hopingfor don't come in.

(53:57):
Yeah, so I. Yeah, so we.
We absolutely do not use Ouija boards.
And for those people who are using them, hey,learn how to protect yourself first before you
mess with that.
I have been on, I think, John, I think I've
been on five cases where people in familieshave used Ouija boards.
And then in one particular case in Maryland, Iremember where five people got physical

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illnesses.
One of them developed a heart disease.
Another one came down with cancer.
They were diagnosed with cancer.
After this Ouija board, months after thisOuija board had opened up negative energy.
Somebody else had a respiratory thing.
I don't remember what the other two ailments
were, but all that negative energy came in,and it physically affected the people in the

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house.
So, yeah, don't mess with Ouija boards.

Speaker A (54:43):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think that's really interesting.
Also, before we wrap up here, I have a coupleof questions for you.

Speaker B (54:50):
Sure.

Speaker A (54:52):
I have to ask.
So the Warrens, I'm going to eventually do a.
I guess a show on them because I think with
the Warrens and Annabelle, and now, I don'tknow if you heard this young man who's a
comedian and this other paranormalinvestigator has bought the.
Or least the Warren's house and all their.

(55:16):
How do you say,
trinkets or whatever you want to say.
You know, what do you think about that?
Do you think that's a good thing?Because to me, I think it kind of puts a stain
on the paranormal.
Not to say we don't want to make money.
Let's be honest.
It's all right.
If I could quit my day job and do this full
time.

Speaker B (55:33):
Is there money in this?

Speaker A (55:35):
What? Maybe. Maybe.
Well, you know, the Warrens have proved it,and Zach Baggins and some other people have,
but they've done it in ways that are veryquestionable.
Very things where you're like,
maybe do a little more harm than good withthat.
So do you have any feeling about AnnabelleDog?
Because unfortunately,
a gentleman, Don Rivera, lost his life to it,

(55:56):
supposedly.
And other people have had some bad, badexperiences with that particular doc.

Speaker B (56:03):
I don't have an opinion one way or the other.
All I know is that because it's an object, youknow, people can impress negative emotional
energy upon it, and then people who aresensitive can feel negative emotional energy.
That's why I don't like to go antiqueshopping,
because people who love antiques will impresstheir,
you know, their emotions on peace.

(56:24):
And if they're, if they are very possessive of
a peace, it will come across,
that is jealousy or negative emotional energy.
And I can feel that going into a place.
Yeah, I, I, I don't have an opinion one way orthe other.
I, I really haven't honestly followed it.
All I can say is good luck to him.

Speaker A (56:41):
Right, Exactly.
That's interesting.
So I have a fun question,
like I said before we wrap up.
So when you're writing, Rob, like, what's yourfun thing to do?
Like, how do you write?Do you wr.
In a certain room, do you have tea?Do you have music on?
Do you listen to spooky music?
What kind of gets you motivated when.

Speaker B (57:00):
You'Re, when you're riding, hugging my dogs.

Speaker A (57:03):
Okay.

Speaker B (57:04):
And then having about five cups of Dunkin Donuts black coffee.

Speaker A (57:08):
Whoa.

Speaker B (57:09):
In my.
Well, that's the way I end my night.
And I usually write at night.
And I write in my office, my home office.
Sometimes I'll play soft instrumental music
mostly, and I.
That's the way I do it.
All of my books are based.
They're all my.
Based on my experience.
They're nobody else's experiences.
They're all from,
like,
I, I carry a journal when I go on theseinvestigations, and I write in these journals,

(57:33):
and all of these journals have my notes.
So this is an idea of a journal.
This is my investigation of Wilson Castle with
Monique.
This will be another book.
So I have.
I go through this, and then I remember things
and I take pictures on investigations, andthen I correlate them with the different
chapters that I'm writing.
And that's basically how I do it.
It's really.

(57:53):
It's much easier to write when you're writingfrom experience and writing fiction.

Speaker A (57:58):
Absolutely.
For young writers out there, write what youknow, you know.
And that doesn't mean, like, you know, all Iknow is how to make a peanut butter and jelly
sandwich.
Well, that's fine if that's what you know.
But, you know, like your experience in your
hometown.
Right.
Your experience in life, you know, what areyour experiences?
And that's what Rob does, and that's whatmakes the book come out as a.

(58:21):
When I say a rich tapestry of, you know,
of experiences and you're reading somethingthat's real.
Not to say that it's okay to be, you know,writing something that is more fantasy or
whatever, that's great too.
But it's.
It's more interesting, at least to me, to read
it.
Authors like, these are my experiences.
This is what I felt.
This is what I experienced.

(58:43):
And that is a great thing.
And love to see more of that.
So,
Rob, tell my spooky friends, you know, hey,October's coming up, right.
You know, will be a great gift for your, allyour, you know, spooky friends and everyone
interested in the paranormal.
So you can share that with us.
And, you know, I'll definitely promote it

(59:04):
because it's a great.
Sounds like a great book and I can't wait to
read it.

Speaker B (59:08):
Sure. So, yeah, so the Haunting of Emory Estate.
It's a fast read, but there's pictures andsketches and all kinds of things.
You'll feel like you are on a paranormalinvestigation.

Speaker A (59:17):
Love it.

Speaker B (59:18):
The ghost of Linville Manor investigating Maryland's most haunted house.
By the way, on pre order, this one just hitnumber one in two categories.
And Emory Estate, number one in two categoriesas well.
So thank you.
I'm really humbled and honored.
Anyway, these are two great books.
This one is also about the paranormal
investigation I went on, but has a lot ofexperiences from the owner and from people

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that stayed there.
And you get to find out the history of thepeople's lives that we uncovered that were not
known before.
And you read about Crossings over as well.
So all kinds of things.

Speaker A (59:54):
I love it.
And listening to this podcast,
we just scratched the surface.
We can't give away everything because Rob's
gotta, you know, make sure he sells his booksand gets them out there and Everything, too.
And to people, to.
Obviously, we.
I think we teased you enough that you're goingto be like, well, I want to read about, you
know, the Gray Man.

(01:00:14):
I want to read about this unruly ghost,
because I know I do.
So thank you so much.
You know,
I.
I'm always so excited and honored to have youon the podcast, Rob, because I'm the one who's
honored, John.

Speaker B (01:00:28):
Really.

Speaker A (01:00:29):
Thank you.
Thank you.
And remember too,
Rob is a pet medium.
So again, Rob, could you just describe howthey can get a hold of you if they wanted to
talk to you about, you know, a long lost pet?

Speaker B (01:00:44):
Sure, absolutely.
So I do do pet readings.
I'm booked out a year still, unfortunately.

Speaker A (01:00:49):
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker B (01:00:51):
But they can go to my website, rob gutrow.com or pet spirits.com goes to the same
place.
There's information how to get a reading and
the cost of the reading.
It's pretty minimal.
Like I said, booking out a year.
My books, though,
you don't need a reading if you know what tolook for.
Pets and the Afterlife series of books onethrough four, they will give you examples of

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different signs that your pets send you so youcan already start looking.

Speaker A (01:01:17):
Yeah, I love it.
Well, again, thank you so much for joining me,
Rob.
And you know, I look forward to hopefully
talking to you in the near future about newbooks coming out, as you said, and new
adventures.
So, again, thank you, Rob.
Really appreciate it.
And you're the greatest.
And we will talk later.
All right.

Speaker B (01:01:38):
Thanks, John.

Speaker A (01:01:38):
All right.
Stay spooky, Rob.