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🔦 Episode Overview:
In this eerie and entertaining episode, John welcomes Liam, co-host of The Spooky Shed podcast, for a transatlantic chat about haunted sheds, poltergeists, and the infamous Black Monk of Pontefract. They share personal experiences, swap ghost stories, and dig deep into one of the UK’s most haunted houses.
đź‘» Topics Covered:-
Introducing The Spooky Shed: Liam explains the origins of the podcast, why it’s literally recorded in a shed, and how he and co-host Billy went from football chat to paranormal talk after a heated ghost debate.
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Paranormal Happenings in the Shed: Liam recounts strange events that only occur during spooky recordings—heavy footsteps on the shed roof, unexplained door openings, and the eerie difference when the lights are red.
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First Paranormal Experiences:
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Liam’s childhood memories of speaking to “invisible” people.
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A chilling account of a mysteriously locked door while home alone.
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A personal haunting during his first solo night as a teenager.
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Belief in the Paranormal:
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Liam’s transition from skeptic to “I believe in something, I just don’t know what it is.”
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How paranormal podcasting—and listener stories—shaped his perspective.
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A deep dive into the legend and lore of what is believed to be the most haunted house in Britain, located at 30 East Drive in Pontefract, West Yorkshire.
Historical Background:
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Ordinary-looking council house on the Checkered Fields Estate.
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Home to the Pritchard family in the 1960s, who were terrorized by a poltergeist named "Fred."
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Paranormal activity: levitating objects, doors slamming, footsteps, cold spots, and violent occurrences.
Key Incidents Discussed:
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Diane Pritchard was allegedly dragged up the stairs by her hair.
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Attempts to “banish” Fred with garlic and hymns (and his mocking response with floating gloves!).
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Investigators are experiencing voices, physical injuries (e.g., broken bones), and a heavy atmosphere.
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Lisa Routing, a frequent visitor, calls Fred her "spiritual husband" after 80+ visits.
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Music boxes playing independently, EMF spikes, and interactive toys like cat balls.
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John shares his unnerving encounters at home, including hearing voices and being touched.
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Discuss whether the spirit at 30 East Drive is a ghost, monk, or something darker (possibly demonic).
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Debate over the Enfield Poltergeist and skepticism toward the Warrens’ involvement.
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Liam’s shed chair moves mid-recording—live on the show!
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Both hosts agree that whatever haunts 30 East Drive seems territorial and possibly evil.
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Speculation on the spirit’s identity—was it a disgraced monk with a dark past?
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John and Liam caution against the use of Ouija boards and stress safety when ghost hunting.
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Plans to investigate the house personally in the future (Liam may ditch Billy if he doesn't hurry up!).
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Liam promotes upcoming guest episodes of The Spooky Shed (airs every Sunday).
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John shares how he almost bought the Amityville house—and why he didn’t.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker A (00:00):
Foreign.
Speaker B (00:12):
Spooky friends.
Welcome to another episode of DairylandFrights, the paranormal podcast that covers
everything spooky, creepy and mysterious inthe Midwest and beyond.
And today I have a spooky friend from what wesay here in the States.
And I'm old, so you'll hear this one acrossthe pond.
(00:35):
So here, the uk.
My guest is Liam from the Spooky Shed podcast.
Welcome, Liam.
Speaker A (00:49):
Thank you.
Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker B (00:51):
I love to have my UK people.
I've had the ghost story guys on, I've had
Strange States on, I've had a couple otherpeople.
And what I love about the UK is you guys havesuch rich history, like talking to UK people.
Like, literally your pub is older than theentire United States.
(01:11):
Like crazy furniture, older than, you know,anything here in America.
It's.
I just love the rich history and I got to get
out there so.
And get over there and see some of that greathistory.
So,
Liam, why don't you tell my spooky friendsabout your podcast and what it's a little bit
(01:32):
about and, you know, why you decided to, youknow, get into a podcast.
Speaker A (01:37):
Yeah. So me and Billy, we host the Spooky Shed podcast.
Billy's my co host, but he is.
I always say to get hold of Billy, it would be
easier to kill him and then use a Ouija boardto speak to him because you've probably got a
better chance of getting a hold of him thatway.
So he's not always here with me, but he ismost of the time.
Yeah.
I mean, like I said, closing the title of
Spooky Shed, we do it in our shed here.
(01:57):
It's kind getting spookier as we go.
We're getting some more decorations in here to
make it look nice and spooky.
But say we similar to yourself all around.
We always say our little catchphrase.
Our little catchphrase is for conversationsaround all things weird, scary, and of course,
spooky.
But we got into.
We got into it all where.
Well, we started podcasting.
Originally we had a football podcast and thenthat was too much hard work to do because we
(02:20):
had to keep up with everything.
Whereas doing stuff like this, we can bulkrecord.
So it's great.
Speaker B (02:23):
I hear you.
Speaker A (02:24):
Yeah. And it was when we were doing our original podcast, we.
After we finished doing that, we had anargument for about an hour about if we
believed in ghosts or not.
And then we both just said, well, we shouldhave just recorded that because that was
better than any of the football **** we'vebeen doing.
Speaker B (02:38):
I love that.
Go ahead.
Speaker A (02:40):
I was just gonna say.
And it went from there.
That was how it started.
Originally we were called let's talk about.
And then we decided to have a little rebrandat the beginning of this year.
Speaker B (02:49):
I love that because I was asking, I was gonna ask you about the spooky shed, and I
thought maybe it was from your childhood.
Like, maybe had an uncle that a spooky shed inhis back of his house or flat or whatever you
want to call it.
And you were like, hey, I remember this when I
was a little kid going in there and it scaredthe **** out of me, you know,
(03:10):
But I'm like, that.
You're actually in a shed.
That's awesome.
Speaker A (03:12):
Yeah, well, I, I, I, I like the idea of having like, myself a little, my own
little space.
And I thought, what's better than a shed?
I like, I like sheds.
I don't know why, but things are starting toget weird in here.
Like so, so building room as well.
Have you heard that in here?
Speaker B (03:32):
Yeah. That's nice.
I love that.
Have you had any paranormal occurrences whenyou guys been doing podcasts in the shed?
Anything weird happen recently?
Speaker A (03:40):
Yeah. So let's.
Like I say, obviously I build my Legos in here
as well.
I've got a big shelf over here full of them.
And when I'm doing that, nothing happens.
But then again, I, but then when I'm doing
that, I have the lights on white so I can seebetter.
As soon as I turn these lights red, thingsstart to happen.
Like,
like I, I've been satiny for hours buildingLego on a night.
Like I said, same, same time as it is now.
(04:01):
Like I said, It's 9pm for me now and nothing
happens.
It's fine, don't hear a thing.
As soon as I start talking about paranormal
stuff, spooky stuff, I, I've, I've heardfootsteps on the roof of the shed, which is
weird as hell.
Could very easily be a cat, but sometimesthey've been very heavy to be a cat.
I don't know.
But. And then there was one time when I wasrecording before I got another before I got
(04:25):
like a lock on the inside of the shed door.
It just randomly opened very, very slowly one
night that scared the hell out of me.
Speaker B (04:31):
Yeah, I bet, I bet.
You know, that's really interesting you said
that, because I've had other podcasters tellme about this, and one podcaster told me,
like, same to you, same thing you happened toyou.
But he's like in an office and he kind of hasa curtain that he closes so the kids don't
come in and bug up.
It's kind of like, hey, dad has the curtain
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closed?
That means he's busy.
But one day he said he was sitting there, like
it was like three in the morning, so hecouldn't sleep.
And he was like, I'm going to do some researchon my.
My new episode.
And he said while he was sitting there, he
saw, like, a hand, like kind of an oldwithered hand grab the curtain, start to pull
on it.
And he was like, oh, my God.
(05:13):
You know, and he's.
You know, he's like, okay, maybe I'm justtired or anything.
And then he's.
Then he said something to the effect of like,
you're not scaring me, and you're not.
You're not gonna scare me.
And then it went away.
I'm like, wow.
Speaker A (05:26):
No, that would have scared me.
Speaker B (05:29):
Oh, I hear you.
I hear you.
I totally hear you.
And, you know, like, I've been doing research
late at night, too.
And one time I went to my door, so I have an
office, and I close my door, and there was afeeling that I had, like there was some kind
of weird thing behind the door.
And I was like, there was just a voice in myhead that said, don't open that door.
(05:51):
Do not open that door.
Because I. I have a cat, too, and I have a dog
and kids.
So I'm like, you know, they.
They like to mess with me, have a little fun
with dad, and.
But that feeling, I was just like.
And it's weird, right?It's like, you don't know, like, what's going
on?
Are you summoning something?Are you strange, right?
Speaker A (06:10):
Well, a friend of mine, I don't know if you know Tommy, he holds the let's get
freaky podcast.
He has a. He has a brilliant little
catchphrase.
So he says, when you look into the paranormal,
it looks back.
Speaker B (06:19):
Yes, I love that.
I love that.
Speaker A (06:22):
And I'm starting to think he has a point.
Speaker B (06:23):
I think he does.
Yes, I think he does.
So before we get into our topic, Liam, can youtell me about your first paranormal
experience?Were you young?
When did it happen?
Like, you kind of tell my spooky friends it'sfunny.
Speaker A (06:38):
So the first one that I have a very vague memory of, so it's.
I don't really count it.
So when I was like, I know, four, five year
old maybe.
Up until I was about six, according to my
family, my mom and dad, I used to sit in mybedroom for Hours and just talk to people that
weren't there.
(06:59):
I have memories of doing it, but I don't havememories.
I can't remember anything that was said.
So it can't have been anything that was very
interesting or exciting.
I have very vague memories of doing that.
But I said that that's just very bland.
I mean.
I mean, it's weird,
but I don't know, it's a bit bland.
Then the other one, I always.
The other story that I always tell, experience
(07:20):
story, however you want to word it, is fromwhen I was.
How old was I getting?
I was like.
It was like 13, 14.
It was the first time I was left overnight onmy own in the house.
My mom and dad, they'd gone away somewhere,not sure where.
It was always a thing in our house when wewere growing up that the front door was only
ever locked when everyone was going to bed.
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We weren't one of them houses because I know,
I know a lot of people, they have the doorlocked constantly.
So our key was always in the door as well.
Like, even when the bed key was always just
left in the door, it was never locked.
And then the key taken out.
That would have been.
It just didn't happen.
So it would have been really weird.
Yeah, but I'd been out with my friends.
I come home there.
I hadn't locked the door, but we always put
(08:03):
the key in the door.
So it was there ready to lock it.
So then I think I had not gone and made myself
a sandwich or somewhere later on thePlayStation.
And then I decided, oh, I'm gonna go to theshop.
I want some.
I don't know, wanted something to eat on, some
snacks or something.
So then I go to open the door and take the key
out, but the door's locked.
Oh, no, that was it.
No, I'm like, no, I've completely told that
wrong.
So the key wasn't in the door.
(08:23):
That was it.
That was why it was weird.
So the key wasn't in the door.
So I'd gone to open the door and the door waslocked, but there was no key in it.
So I'm.
I'm thinking to myself, well, where is my key
then?
Because like I said, as a rule, I would haveput the key in the door.
That was what we always normally did.
So I'm searching a house like, where the hell
is my key?
And then I found it later in my bedroom.
Speaker B (08:43):
Okay.
Speaker A (08:43):
Which is really, really weird.
So I'm freaking out now at this point, I'm
thinking, like, there's Someone in the househere.
So I remember I was on the phone to, like, myuncles and stuff.
I'm like, right, you need to come around andsearch the house, man, because there's someone
in here.
Speaker B (08:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A (08:55):
I'd say that that's.
That's the real first one that always stuck
with me because.
Just because, like I said, just because of how
much of a. It was like it was set in stonethat, like, say we'd never.
We never locked the door until everyone wasgoing to bed.
The key was always left in the door.
And then the fact that the door was locked and
there was and the key wasn't there.
It was.
It was really weird and it really did freak me
out.
Speaker B (09:14):
Yeah, definitely.
And that will fit in our story today.
I'm doing a little tease for the audience kindof trustee.
So you told me you and your friend had adiscussion about ghosts, whether they're real
or not.
What makes you believe they are real?
Speaker A (09:29):
Well, this is the funny thing.
So the whole argument that we had originally
was that I was very, very, very skepticaloriginally.
Speaker B (09:37):
Okay, sure.
Speaker A (09:40):
Billy was the big believer.
Like I say, he has lots of investigation
equipment that we have now used.
But the more we've done this, the more people
I've spoken to, like yourself, and I've heardso many different people's experiences.
Obviously, I've done a lot research intothings.
We've done our own investigation.
We've only done the one so far, but definitely
got plans to do more.
And now I'm.
(10:01):
So my personal little catchphrase is now thatI believe in things, but I don't know what I
believe in.
If that makes any sort of sense.
Speaker B (10:07):
No, that perfectly does.
So on your investigations, have you seen,
heard, smelled, whatever, something that madeyou go, huh, maybe this is real.
Maybe there are ghosts.
Speaker A (10:20):
Yeah. So the one we've done, we went to a woodland area that is near where I
live, and there's an old abandoned house inthere.
And we set up Billy's REM pod and his SLScamera in front of the doorway there because
it was the only place where.
Because I was very.
I was like, well, that SLS camera is not going
to work because there's too many branches andtwigs and sticks everywhere.
The thing's just going to go off 24 7.
So we decided, right, we'll put it where thedoor is to the house because, you know, it's
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the only place there's no branches or sticksor anything.
So we set that up with recording.
We're just walking around it we got the catballs out and stuff.
I'm skeptical on them things, especiallyoutside because a little bit of wind they're
going to go off.
So then we heard the REM pod going off.
So we went back over and we looked at the
camera in front of the doorway.
This abandoned house, REM pods going off still
and then just a stick figure on the camerascreen.
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So that was weird.
And I was just like, you know, no, I want to
go home.
Speaker B (11:09):
Yeah, I mean,
I'm doing a paranormal investigation.
My first one this summer.
I have Liam A. I live in a small town and itdoes have a history of ghosts.
I don't know if you're familiar with thearchitect Frank Lloyd Wright, a famous
architect.
He has his mansion up on a hill.
(11:30):
Taliesin.
So he's a world famous architect.
You can go Google him if you don't know who he
is.
He created things all over the world.
He was a genius architect.
However he was tragedy.
Just, just, just followed him everywhere, justeverywhere.
You know, he lost his wife, almost lost his.
Well, he did lose his wife and kids.
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They were burned alive in their house by ajealous co worker while someone that worked, a
landscaper, what we call it, had had an affairwith her.
And he basically trapped her in a buildingwith the kids and nailed all the doors,
windows shut and poured gasoline all over thebuilding and lit it on fire.
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And they all died.
Yeah. And it was.
This was a real true crime in the 1930s.
You can go on Google, you can go look at it.
And it's.
I mean it's just one thing after another
happened to him.
But anyway, there's a cemetery near there.
There's like this.
Oh, and you guys probably have.
I don't.
Countless of these old cemeteries like in themiddle of nowhere where it's just broken
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tombstones and you know what I mean, there'slike a church and it's just like out of a
horror movie.
Right. Anyway, I'm gonna do my firstinvestigation.
I have a couple of people gonna come with mebecause I'm like you.
The first time something touches me orsomething, I'm out.
Speaker A (12:51):
Well, that actually happened to me at the end of hours.
So we'd let.
We'd left the woodland area.
We were back on the side of the road and Billywas, Billy was going through some of the
footage that we had.
And, and then, so then I was stood like in themiddle of the road because it's very quiet
road.
So I was like, I'll be fine, study and you
know, like when you're in a crowd and you feelsomeone, like, brush against.
Like, brush against your back, against yourshoulders, and, like, you know that it's
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someone there.
Like, that happened.
And it was like, it wasn't even just faintly.
It was very strongly.
It was almost as if I felt, like, almost.
Almost slightly being nudged forward.
Speaker B (13:23):
Mm.
Speaker A (13:23):
So I was.
And that was when I was like, right, Nope.
Definitely.
We are going now.
Get back to the car.
We are gone.
Speaker B (13:29):
I hear you.
I totally hear you.
And we're.
We're both pretty big guys, so it's like, you
think we'd be like, hey, man.
But I have these women who are, like, half my
size are like, bring it on.
And I'm like, okay, settle down.
Okay.
Like, I don't have a problem with you, ghost.
Bring it on.
Like, they have cursed.
One of my podcast guests has cursed dolls all
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over her house, and she's like, whatever.
Speaker A (13:56):
Oh, yeah.
No, I couldn't do that.
Speaker B (13:58):
No, neither can I. Neither can I.
So let's get right into it, shall we?
In our topic, and this is one of my favoritetopics other than the Enfield Poltergeist,
this one is.
I feel, and, Liam, please correct me at anytime that it's more real than Enfield
Poltergeist.
This is the way I feel.
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And so what if I told you, Liam, there was ahouse in Britain that is considered the most
haunted house in Britain, but it's not easy tofind,
and it's had a poltergeist living there, well,basically for centuries.
And that is the Black Monk of Pontefract.
(14:40):
So Pontefract is, you know, please, you know,
I'm an American, so I have a mushmouth.
So if I make any mispronunciations, just stepin and be like, no, it's pronounced this.
But what I love about this story is I actuallyhad one of my podcast.
Podcast. Podcast guests from Strange States.
Speaker A (15:02):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker B (15:03):
Go to this.
Yeah, so he actually went to this, and hespent some time there.
And it is a place you can go to.
The gentleman who rents it out or whatever you
want to say, leases it out or whatever.
You can go in there as a paranormalinvestigator.
So I'm going to throw some of his experiencesin here.
But let me give you, before I start, Liam,anything you want to add about this small town
(15:30):
and, like, about the house?
Because I guess it's a nondescript house, andit's nothing.
It's nothing out of the ordinary.
It looks like a house.
Speaker A (15:39):
Yeah,
that's one of the famous things about it.
It's just, it's a very bog standard.
It's just a council house just in a, just in atown in Yorkshire.
Like it's, it's, it's.
There's nothing special about it.
Speaker B (15:52):
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
So. So what they say is it's inconspicuous onthe, the.
Oh boy, I'm trying to pronounce this one.
Is it Pontefract?
It's the Checkered Fields.
Checker Fields Council estate.
Okay. In West Yorkshire.
It's an ordinary looking semi detached home,
but it's home to this violent poltergeist.
(16:15):
And I had to laugh about this, named Fred.
That's by the, by the Pritchard family whoclaimed it terrorized them in the 60s.
So when I told you black monk, pontiff,supposedly we'll get into it a little bit.
People saw a monk and it kind of like a shadowmonk, but they wound up calling the ghost Fred
(16:37):
or this poltergeist Fred.
It's kind of interesting.
So let me kind of go through it and kind of
explain here.
And like I said, Liam, just throw whatever you
want to throw in here anytime you want to.
So the poltergeist phenomena reportedly beganin 19.
August of 1966 when the Pritchard family,parents Jean and Joe and daughter Diane and
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son Philip lived in the house.
It lasted for a few days, then stopped for
nearly two years before starting again in 1968and continuing until late 1969.
Now, when someone suggested putting a vampirerepelling garlic on each doorway.
(17:18):
Why?I don't know.
Somebody suggest this, Suggested this.
The phenomenon ceased and apparently it
stopped for the rest of the time thePritchards were residents in the property.
So I, I don't know if you're.
And my spooky friends are understanding this,
but people thought it was maybe like avampire.
(17:39):
Let's put some garlic everywhere.
And it stopped.
It. Does that make sense to you, Liam?I, I don't.
Speaker A (17:45):
Not really.
But it is it like we're talking about
Yorkshire here in the 60s.
So I mean that, that was just probably
everyday occurrence whether he had apoltergeist or not.
Speaker B (17:55):
Yeah, it is the 60s, people.
So Gene Pritchard.
Pritchard, nicknamed the poltergeist Fred.
Okay.
I don't know why that.
She just did.
The press dubbed him for whatever reason, Mr.
Nobody.
Okay. And the history now remembers him as theBlack Monk of Pontefract after a black robed
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monk was reportedly seen in the house.
So what's really interesting me about this,
Liam, is it Almost seems like they were kindof like having a sense of humor about it.
Does that.
You know what I mean?
It didn't seem like.
I mean, they were scared.
There's a number of things that happened, butit never seemed like the Enfield Poltergeist,
(18:36):
which I covered a lot, few episodes ago,actually, last year, where it seems it was
malevolent.
You know what I mean?Like, it was hurting people, it was scaring
people.
But there are some scary things associated
with this house.
Right.
I mean, it's not like it's just going around.
It's a poltergeist.
So just before we get into some of theexperiences here, have you ever thought of
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going there and looking at it or friends?
Speaker A (19:03):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
It's definitely on my list of things to do.
And to be honest, if Billy doesn't starthimself out soon, I'm just going to go on my
own.
Well, I say that I probably.
I'm probably too scared to go on my own.
I do want to go there because it's only about
one.
About an hour and a half away from us, so it's
fairly close.
Speaker B (19:18):
Yeah.
Speaker A (19:19):
Where I am.
Speaker B (19:21):
Yeah.
Speaker A (19:21):
So I do want to go there.
Speaker B (19:23):
Yeah. So on the podcast last year, I had Chris from Strange States, and he
actually went there with a friend of his to doan investigation.
And when he was there, he went into Fred'sroom.
And in Fred's room, what will happen is if yousit on the bed, a little ball will just
magically come out from the bed, just roll upfrom out of the bed, and you basically pick up
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the ball, and you say, hey, Fred, are you.
Whatever you're gonna.
He was communicating with Fred, and he would
roll the ball back under the bed, and then hewould come back out.
And then he was like, okay, wait a minute.
Like you skeptical?He said, well, this is an old house.
It's probably not level.
So, you know, who knows what's going on?
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So he went down to talk to, like, the.
One of the managers.
Was there somebody, you know, looking after
the house?And he said, hey, up in the room here, I think
you better do something about it, because yourflat, your floor is not level.
And the.
And the guy looked at him and goes, you met
Fred?
He's like, fred?Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Fred likes to roll the ball
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and likes to play.
And he's like, okay, all right, fine.
And then he told to his friend,
wow, you know, this is really happening.
This happened.
And she was a little scared.
She was like, I'm not really sure if I want to
do that.
So he said, I'm going back up.
So he went back up, and he closed the door,and he started doing that again.
And then also, he was turning on and off thelights.
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And Fred didn't like that.
So Fred would, like, turn the light on.
He would turn it off, Chris would turn it off.
Fred would turn it on, Chris would turn itoff.
And then also, he felt like Fred was gettingon the bed with him.
Like, he'd feel the bed, like, depressed, andhe's like, okay, this is getting weird.
And then also he did some, like, EVPs and someother communication and heard some voices he
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believed.
And, you know, he just said the whole house isjust heavy.
Especially when he said he walked in, it justfelt heavy.
It felt dark.
And she said it was just like someone putting
a weight on your shoulders.
And his friend downstairs, she was like, wow,you're, like, moving around a lot up there.
And he's like, no, I just been sitting on thebed.
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And she goes, well, I've heard, like.
Like, running around.
Like, someone's running around up there.
And I just want to.
Are you okay?
What's going on?He's like, I'm not doing that.
So it was like a little kid.
Like your kids when they're little and they'rerunning around, you know, above you, you know,
if you have, you know, like, a basement orwhatever, and you're like, hey, kids, you
know, stop running around.
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You know, you drive me crazy.
And settle down.
And she could hear that.
She could hear running around.
The guy who was there, who's the caretaker ofthe house is like, yep, I hear that all the
time when I'm alone here.
And I in.
Chris is like, wait a minute.
You're alone here?And he's like, well, you know, I care.
Take the house.
So sometimes I come in here and, you know,
wait for people to do investigations, and Ijust sit here by myself.
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I'm like, wow.
Speaker A (22:20):
And Chris was like, I'd ran in the garden.
Speaker B (22:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Right.
You know what I mean?
And he says he.
He hears people, like, footsteps coming
downstairs here is like bouncy balls upstairs.
Hears voices.
Things will move.
He said he saw, like, in the kitchen, like, a
plate, like, hover, and then, like, go over tothe table.
He's seen other things hover.
He's been grabbed.
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He's been pushed.
And I was like, okay, whatever they're paying
you is not enough, right?
Speaker A (22:49):
And definitely.
Speaker B (22:51):
Yeah. And Chris just said the weirdest thing about it is, like, it's a
council house.
So similar to like what we call here, like,
like a row house, like all these housestogether or we call it duplexes here in the
States.
And there's nothing.
He was showing me pictures later and I'm like,
that is so strange.
You know?
So do you.
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Before I get into.
I have some other.
I put this account together from this one guy
who did an investigation there, what he foundthis John Gentleman.
But do you have any theories, Liam, of whythis house and why this one would be, you
know, I don't know, possessed by a ghost orwhatever you want to say.
Speaker A (23:31):
I don't know.
It's funny, isn't it, because you mentioned
there the Enfield Poltergeist, which I amextremely skeptical of.
I don't know about yourself.
Yeah, I really, really struggle with that one.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, because it's.
It's that old adage, isn't it?
Of like, there's certain horror films, youknow, it's like, oh, it's.
It's not.
It's not the house that's haunted, it's you.
Whereas obviously this looks like it actuallyis just the house that's haunted.
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But I don't know, I mean, maybe.
I mean, I'm not sure how.
I'm not sure how old the house is, but I mean,I don't know, maybe first owner or something.
I don't know, like, I don't know.
It's a strange one.
Especially when it's like a monk.
That's what, that's what really throws it off.
If it was like a bin man or something, then
it'd be.
It'd make a lot more sense.
But like a monk, it's just.
That's the bizarrest thing for me.
Speaker B (24:13):
Yeah, right.
And that's just.
I don't know, it just doesn't make sensebecause not to get into the Enfield
Poltergeist, but remember the EnfieldPoltergeist?
There were things in there.
Well, the Conjuring Two.
Yeah, Conjuring Two. Or was it Conjuring Threethat did the Enfield one?
Speaker A (24:31):
There's number two.
Speaker B (24:32):
Here's a. Here's the two.
Okay, here's the thing.
I'm not a big Ed and Lorraine Warren.
I don't know if you're familiar with them.
Speaker A (24:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B (24:40):
If you do some more research into them, which I would do an episode on.
And not to besmirch their legacy because theydid some good things, but for the most part
they faked a lot of it and a lot of it wasbullshit.
Okay. So in that movie, in the conjuring to Edand Lorraine Warren, there are for a long
time.
That is not true in the Enfield Poltergeist.
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And Lorraine Warren were there for about 20minutes.
They came in the house, they did someinvestigation, they were like, I don't know, I
think it might be.
And they left.
So in the movie it sounds like they're.
Oh my God, you know, they're running aroundtrying to help this little girl.
No, that's not true at all.
And in the end, in the real Enfield
Poltergeist where the famous picture of thelittle girl hovering in the air, she's jumping
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off the bed.
You can tell I've seen my kids jump off thebed of movie.
Yeah, right, yeah, she's jumping.
Clearly jumping off the bed like a little kid
does.
Come on, let's stop.
But yes, there are some things, some writingon the walls, some other things of seeing.
I believe it's called the Stick man or thisold man that kind of was creepy around.
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Okay, maybe, maybe I'll go with that on you.
But in here there's actual physical evidence
that people have seen, including Chris fromStrange State who told me so with my own eyes.
Why would I be making this up?There's nothing in it for him other than I had
a really good experience.
So I, I just think that's really interesting.
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Again, I don't know why they call him Mr.
Nobody.
I don't know.
Speaker A (26:12):
No, that's a weird one.
Speaker B (26:14):
I had a little really interesting find here about someone who actually went to
the house and tried to get evidence of Fred'spresence.
So this person, I'm just going to read this,what this person did.
So the person he went to there, he was aninvestigator and he tried to gather evidence
and you know, he said, you know, he brought abunch of equipment with him and everything
that.
(26:34):
And one of the things he was doing when hestarted there, he said that really the
scariest thing about this is that it lookslike a normal house and like it could happen
to anyone.
And he, he said like,
and I quote, you know, this.
There's nothing unusual about the house.
It's in a small town.
It's.
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Nothing has happened to the other councilhouses.
There hasn't been, you know, nothing.
And so that's where he said, I was reallyconfused about it.
So he brought with him a woman.
Her name was Lisa Routing.
And she has over 17 years experience.
She has done over 9,000 paranormalinvestigations.
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A hundred of them at 30 East Drive, you know,the council house and she refers the two as
her second home.
That's crazy.
Speaker A (27:24):
Live there.
Speaker B (27:25):
Yeah. She said, and I quote, I consider Fred as my spiritual husband.
Okay, that's weird.
80 times, lady.
Like. Okay, so one of the things that.
And in here, there's not a lot of reportingwith this, but one of the things they said
that happened to Diane, the daughter who wasthere, she had been dragged upstairs by her
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hair and left visible finger marks on herneck.
So that was one of the things.
And this is told in a book which I want to
get.
It's in.
Colin Wilson is the author in his 1981 book,
Poltergeist.
I thought that was really interesting to bedragged up the stairs by her.
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The daughter being dragged up there by.
By her hair and them seeing marks.
Again, like in the Enfield Poltergeist, there
was where the.
If you remember, supposedly the little girl
would be writing stuff, like really nastystuff on the walls, like, you know, to
threaten people, really malicious stuff.
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So, again, kind of a difference there, butthis is really interesting.
So the family, they.
One of the.
You know, they did the garlic thing, and Iguess it worked.
But what the family said was when the familytried to banish Fred, they tried singing the
hymn Onward Christian Soldiers.
And supposedly Fred conducted them using
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floating air in a floating pair of jeans,gloves.
So imagine you sitting there trying to get ridof this ghost, and then these floating pairs
of your wife's gloves just start conducting.
What do you think, Liam?Yeah, I'm out.
Speaker A (29:16):
That's probably the point when I would give up.
Not that, like, say, I mean, being.
Being dragged up the stairs by your hair.
I mean, I'd be fine with that because Ihaven't got much left.
But that. That. That would.
That would do it for me.
But if I really needed another nail in thecoffin, it would be the ghost literally taking
the **** out of you whilst you're trying toget rid of it.
Speaker B (29:34):
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
So one of the things to this gentleman who didthis investigation, like I said, this is some
of his research from talking to differentpeople, talking to the family, talking.
Talking to other investigators.
One of the things he says, Lisa, who has been
there 80 times, one of the things she saysthat Fred is still as active as he ever was.
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Okay. She tells the story of that one day shewent with her and I don't know, 12 ghost
investigators in the house.
That's a lot.
Okay.
And they all ran out except for her, which is
weird.
In terror one night, like they were working onsomething, and then they heard one of them
Heard over their headphones, actually all ofthem, pardon me.
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They heard a man's voice say get out.
And they all just went, like I would.
Right.
And also she says that one of the guests wasleft with cigarette burns on his arm.
He was smoking in this one room where I guesswhere Fred is.
And I guess Fred didn't like it.
And he claims that Fred took his cigarette and
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put it out on his arm.
Speaker A (30:41):
I've heard that one before.
Speaker B (30:43):
Yeah, that's okay.
The other one that I never heard before was a
man blasphemed.
So he priced like Jesus Christ or something
and had his leg broke in two places.
Oh,
okay.
Fred, I don't think you're.
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I don't think you're a little boy.
I. I think this is something going on.
Right?Because if you think about it, if someone.
If there's a monk, right.
Why is this monk angry?
Who knows, right?But like if you ever had a nun, if you ever
went to Catholic school, which gladly Ididn't, but I had friends and they got, you
know, not today they do this, but back in myday, they would hit my kid with a ruler or hit
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my.
Excuse me, my friend, excuse me.
With a ruler.
Like he remembers that.
Get wrapped on the, you know, for like saying
Jesus or just God dang it, or something likethat.
So that's why I'm thinking that this is sometype of religious entity.
Do you agree with that?I mean,
it's just interesting.
Speaker A (31:48):
Possibly.
I mean, given the fact that like you said that
we're told that he was a monk then.
Yes, but I don't know, because it just.
It seems too evil.
I mean, I mean, I know it's not as dramatic assome stories you hear about evil poltergeists
and spirits and stuff, but there's stillplenty that's happened.
I mean, like I said, I mean like to me, youknow, your everyday monk, there's a scent,
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there's a phrase I never thought I'd say wouldthen would drag a girl by.
By the hair up the stairs.
You know what I mean?
Speaker B (32:15):
Yeah.
Speaker A (32:16):
Like dead or alive.
Speaker B (32:17):
Yeah. Right.
And again, there's no way to prove this.
There are no pictures of this.
There is no. I mean, there are pictures outthere.
If you go on Google and stuff is showingshadows at this house and some other
investigators have some EVPs.
Okay, believe what you want to believe.
But when he was investigating to this
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gentleman, his paranormal investigator, hesaid that one of his co.
Investigators said they had a slight pain intheir ankle during the evening.
During an experiment in one of the rooms.
And so he asked them, you know, what's going
on?And the person just was like, you know, my
ankle really hurts.
Like, it feels like I broke it or something.
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And then they continued on to the night.
This investigator, whose ankle was hurt and
everything, and then the next day, he callsthem and he says, hey, you all right?
You know, what's going on?And this investigator had to go to the
hospital and get a cast on.
His ankle had been broken.
Right.
Now think about that for a second.
To break a leg in two places and to break anankle,
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right.
That's powerful stuff.
I mean, that takes a lot of energy from aghost.
And, you know, people, most of the time, myparanormal investigators who I brought on the
show, have been pushed, shoved, hair pulled,stuff like that.
Think of the power, Liam, to break someone'sankle.
I mean, I don't know.
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What do you think?
Speaker A (33:44):
Never heard of anything to that extent.
I've heard stories of, like you said, again,hair being pulled, even people being pulled
around rooms and stuff, but never to the pointof broken bones.
That's.
That's definitely the.
That's definitely the worst one I've heard
regarding that.
Speaker B (34:01):
Yeah. Yeah.
This is again, yeah, believe what you want tobelieve.
Right.
But also, while he was there, he.
Another investigator, again, claims that she
was near the stairs investigating some things.
And, like, there was a shot, like someone
tried to shove her down the stairs.
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Luckily, she caught her balance, but she saidit kind of felt like.
Like a kid, like a little.
Because she felt lower on her back.
She's.
And she's saying, like, if it was a.
It was a man, a grown man, they probably wouldhave pushed me a little higher up.
But she kind of felt like it was a kid.
So I'm like, okay.
But one of the things also he found when hewas in there, when he was doing his
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investigation, he put some crystals around.
If you know anything about crystals.
I don't believe in crystals, but if you do,that's fine.
Nothing wrong with it.
Certain crystals have certain powers to absorb
negative energy, to protection, so on.
And so.
And he put crystals around there andeverything.
And all of a sudden, he heard a. What?He says a little boy say, stop.
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So,
you know, he was like,
asking everybody, like, hey, did you say that?And they're like, no, I didn't say that.
So I think, to me, just.
And I know this is a little early to say this,
but wouldn't you think this is some type ofdemon?
And I don't want to use that word.
But this is kind of getting to me, like
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there's some type of evil here going on withthe number of things that, you know is
happening.
But what do you think?
Speaker A (35:37):
I have to say I agree with you.
I'm sorry.
I've just been thrown off.
I've just.
This.
This is what I mean about things happening in
here.
So where I'm sat here.
So when Billy's here, he's sat opposite me.
So there's a chair sat in front of me.
It's just moved ever so slightly.
Oh, like, minuscule amount, but just enough
for me to see it above my laptop there.
And, like.
So that was why I was a bit like this then,
looking over the top, because that was weird.
Speaker B (35:59):
Man, I wish I could have got that on video.
Maybe I did.
That'd be so cool.
Speaking of that, I interviewed a man wholives in this, what they call the Omen house.
And it's in California.
It is.
Where?I don't know if you know anything about the
Manson family, how they killed this oneactress and stuff.
Well, he built a house right near where SharonTate was killed.
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It's right near the area and everything.
And when he was building this house, people
were telling him, like, he said someone like amedium or something came to him, like this
strange woman and just said, you shouldn'tbuild here.
This is evil place.
You should not build your house here.
And he's like, whatever, lady.
It's a gorgeous house, by the way, in the LA
hills.
And anyway, when I interview him, he has ghost
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hunters all the time.
He has had these spirits.
When I was interviewing him, I saw shadows
going across the screen.
And he goes, did you see that?
And I'm like, yeah, I look like a shadow.
He's like, yeah.
And he's like, he's living in this house so
long, he's just used to it.
Not me, man.
I. I just said, how can you do this?And he goes.
I just tell him.
And during the.
(37:06):
During.
During our podcast episode, he's like, hey,
guys, knock it off.
I'm trying to do an episode here.
There were things happening around him.
He's like, oh, man, it's kind of annoying.
Like, what?
Speaker A (37:18):
You know, I just hope something doesn't start smashing my Lego up, because
then I will be ******.
Speaker B (37:23):
Let's.
Oh, that happens.
Yeah, that's.
Yeah, we're in big trouble.
But anyway, the other thing, and this whatChris brought up, too, there is a music box in
the room.
Now, say what you say about music boxes, but
let me tell you this, Liam, if a music boxwould just start playing,
like, three in the morning, and me and mywife's bedroom, that music box is gone.
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I am not messing with it.
And that music box will be triggered by people
coming in the room.
And Chris said when he went in the room the
second time, while he would do that.
Chris, come on, buddy.
When he went in the room the second time, you
know, the music box.
He was, like, looking at the music box.
He was kind of like, oh.
And it started playing on its own.
And he said, I didn't touch it at all.
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Didn't do it.
And then that's when he got a little bit like,
okay.
You know, it's one of those music boxes that
make that really weird dun, dun, dun, dun,dun.
You know, kind of sound.
And you're like, now.
So that has happened to.
The music box has just gone.
Just gone off.
And one of the things that this investigator
had that said that I didn't.
(38:29):
I don't think I would say this.
He just said, and I quote, fred, did you make
that go off?And could you make that go.
Go off again, please?And it did.
So it went off again without them touching it.
And then he asked, fred, are you happy that
we're here?And he said, as if on command, the EF meter,
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which measures spikes in electromagneticfields commonly associated with the presence
of spirits, started light up.
Like, it went boop.
Like, right to the rat.
So he was like, okay.
And then when they stood near the music box
with the EMF reader, it just was going nuts.
It was just staying on rat.
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It just would not go off rat.
It just strong signal on rat.
And they were just like, okay, something going
on here.
The other thing is, you were talking about
with cat balls and everything, which I alwaysthink is funny when I talk to my
investigators,
because we have that for our cat.
And basically, they're little balls that light
up, and my cat plays with them, and she has agreat.
Well, when they were putting some cat balls onthere and they were talking, they just saw the
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cat balls just started going off just oneafter another,
because they had them throughout the room, youknow, and they just started going off like
crazy one after another.
So, Liam, what is typically with cat balls?
Do you think ghosts.
Why do you think they want to try to touchthem or, you know, interact with them?
Do you think there's a reason for that?
Speaker A (39:56):
I don't know.
I think maybe because they are very.
Or they can be.
Anyway, they can definitely be very sensitive.
And sometimes, like, as far as I'M aware.
And from what I've.
From all the people I've spoke to, I thinkwe've all agreed on that.
Like, you know, ghost spirits, whatever youwant to call them, are an energy.
So then obviously they need to use the energyfor when they want to do anything.
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So I say cat balls.
Being so as sensitive as they are, it's one of
the best things that it might be one of thebest things to use because they're not gonna
have to use as much to make them move and makethem go off, if you know what I mean?
Like saying, oh, make that cat ball go off.
Where if you just, like, blow on it too hard,
it's gonna go off.
I'll slam that door.
Like, slamming the door is going to take a lotmore energy than moving a little plastic ball
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with some lights in it.
Speaker B (40:40):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
So one of the things, too, it's funny that youmentioned that.
So they're in the room and they were trying toget what Chris happened to him, having the
ball come from out the bed, and it wasn'thappening.
They kept on asking, doesn't happen.
So finally, the paranormal investigator said,
I tell you what, we'll stop filming.
(41:01):
Let's relax.
And is that.
Is that okay?
You know, the friend.
Well, when he said that, the door that wasclosed opens up, starts to creek open.
And after he said that, then he kind of feltlike there was something in the room he can't
describe.
He said it was like something in this room.
Now, that he didn't seem evil or.
(41:23):
Or anything like that, but it just seemedinnocent almost.
And then he said the ball came out from behindthe.
Underneath the back.
And, you know, his cameras were off.
Okay.
Believe what you want to believe.
So they didn't record it, but, you know, theyhad a little fun with that.
Now, one of the things, too, this is you gotto be very careful, folks.
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And I'm glad they didn't do it.
They were going to do a Ouija board, but then
people are like, no, it's getting late.
Let's not do a Ouija board.
That's a mistake.
I always tell people, do not mess with a Ouijaboard, even if you think it's a joke.
Unless you have a professional person aroundthat has dealt with this, because I have had
guests on who have Ouija boards, what theycall a demon board.
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And they have it all over their houses.
They're all cursed.
And she says she brings it out occasionally.
We'll play with them.
Speaker A (42:12):
**** that.
Speaker B (42:13):
Okay? I don't Know what you think about that, Liam?
Speaker A (42:16):
Nope.
Speaker B (42:17):
No. Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
So one of the things you can do as aninvestigator, you can knock on the walls and,
Liam, I don't know if you've ever done this,but typically ghosts will do the Trinity.
So Jesus, God, holy spirit.
So when you knock on three times, you'll get
that.
Hopefully knock on three times.
Okay.
Now, this is typically by most experts saying
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this is a way of the evil spirit or ghostmocking the Trinity.
I don't know about that.
I think it's very interesting.
Like, how would they know that?I just think to me, it's like if you knock on
someone's door, knock, knock, knock, andsomeone usually will maybe knock back for
just, you know, whatever reason.
We're kind of like, I don't know, program thatway.
(43:02):
I think ghosts are kind of programmed thatway, too.
So, I mean, do you.
Have you ever tried that?
Have you ever just been in an investigation orbeen somewhere and just knocked on three
times, see what happens, see if you got a.
Any response?
Speaker A (43:14):
No, I can't say I have.
But, I mean, it's a very easy thing to do, so
I might have to try it and just see whathappens.
But if anything, I'll be out the door, so.
Speaker B (43:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they're wrapping up this investigation.
There were a couple other things, not too big,but then 3am as we know is the witching hour
comes around before we know it.
And they did a couple more things.
Nothing really happened, but they got some
interesting information.
But he says, he.
This gentleman says, yes, this is haunted.
(43:44):
I saw some things, I heard some things, I felt
some things.
This is definitely haunted.
And the whole conclusion of this was, nobody
really knows who the black monk is.
There's been research.
I'm going to do a little more research on itbecause I think this is a fascinating story.
There must be a reason.
There must have been an abbey there, maybe a
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church maybe.
I don't know, something.
It's strange that you would summon a. Thatspecific black bunk, right?
Does that make sense, Liam?Like, why would that.
Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
And just know with Poltergeist, they are
technically some of the worst ghosts.
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And Liam, hopefully your chair hasn't moved
again or your Legos would not be busted.
After I get.
After we get off the podcast.
But just know something.
I've told other people about this.
This is really weird.
This is one of my paranormal experiences whereI felt there was some type of presence in my
house Again, I live in a regular house.
It's Not a big deal.
My daughter, she's a teenager.
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At the time, she was going through somethings.
She was being bullied.
She was being mocked.
You know, it's just.
She was having a terrible time in high school.
Well, one day I was sitting downstairs, and,
you know, I don't know why I didn't run.
I should have.
I was just sitting downstairs, Liam, just in.
In my little.
What I call, man cave, what we call in
America, get away from the kids.
(45:07):
I can watch football.
I can watch and, you know, gotta deal withthat.
And there was a voice that said right next tome, a woman's voice that said, john just said
right next to me.
And I was like, okay, that's really weird.
Then also, when I was downstairs, I felt like
people.
Like I was being followed, like somebody's
watching me.
And then the one that would really scared me.
(45:29):
And I had to call one of my medium friendsabout this and one of my paranormal friends
who's.
Who.
Who just kind of dealt with this.
I was sleeping on my couch, and my back was
away from the door, and I felt like a woman'sfingernails, like, scratching my back.
And like, my wife.
I thought it was my wife, right?
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And so I turned around, Liam, there's nobodythere.
And so immediately I called them, and theywere like, what's going on with your daughter?
Both of them were like, what's going on withyour daughter?
And I told him.
They go, okay, well, we got to cleanse your
house, because there's something attached toyour daughter because she's letting a presence
into her.
And that's typically what happens.
(46:11):
So, like, in the Enfield Poltergeist, what
they said, the poltergeist attached themselvesto the young girl.
And that's typically what happens.
A poltergeist ghost.
Evil spirits like to attach themselves to aperson and especially a person going through
all these things.
Like, my daughter was.
She was going through a lot, and she.
She was letting the presence.
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The whole thing, letting that presence in.
And that's how people, unfortunately, believe
it or not, go through an exorcism because theybelieve there's some type of evil presence
that is associated with.
Most of it, is just some type of physical.
Like my daughter, I thought it was some type
of, you know, needed therapy and just neededto get through this, you know, and needed love
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and support and understanding to get throughthis.
But, you know, who knows, right?That's interesting to me.
And this is what it kind of seems like in thiscase.
So I don't know.
What do you think?
Of the case.
Hopefully you're gonna get out there and takea look at it, and then you can report.
Maybe report back to me, because I'd love tohear.
Speaker A (47:09):
Yeah, definitely.
Like I said, like I said before, it's
definitely somewhere that I want to go to.
But when you were just telling me that story
there, honestly, I got goosebumps everywhere.
That was.
Oh, that was weird.
Speaker B (47:19):
Yeah, I know.
And I hope this never happens to you, Liam,
because it was weird.
It's gone now.
I mean, my daughter is doing great.
She's.
She's a beautiful young lady.
She's doing fine now.
But at that time, and my son went through some
things, too.
That's what I said to this paranormal
researcher and this medium.
I said, well, my son went through this.
You know, he was bullied and everything atschool.
(47:42):
Why?And she goes, maybe there's something with
him.
Maybe he's stronger.
I don't know.
But it's.
It's strange.
So, Liam, I can't thank you enough.
This has been awesome.
This has been a ton of fun.
Like I said, I hope your Legos are okay andthat chair doesn't move anymore, but could you
tell my spooky friends what do you got going?
(48:02):
What's. What's up for the Spooky Shed podcast?
Speaker A (48:05):
Yeah. Can I ask you one question first?
Speaker B (48:07):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker A (48:08):
So before.
Before the chair moved, you sort of asked me
about it being demonic.
So what.
What do you think?Do you.
Do you think it's an actual ghost, or do youthink it is somewhat demonic and evil?
Speaker B (48:17):
So that.
Thank you.
I was going to bring that up.
Thank you so much.
I think, being that there, I want to saythere's some type of spirit there.
I don't know if it's dem.
Because if you think there's been a number ofinvestigators in there,
I don't know, maybe they're keeping a secret,maybe not.
I don't know.
But I think there's an evil spirit.
(48:40):
I think that it's more.
If it's a month.
This is what I think it's like.
This is mine.
This belongs to me.
So anyone here that does any transgressions,you know, swearing or you're weak or
something?Because you got to remember monks, you.
Everybody thinks the monks are like, oh, theywere these really nice people, and they were.
(49:00):
No, Some monks were badasses, and they didn'tlike some things going around, and they would
get physical.
It's not what you think of.
A guy's just sitting there with robes and justkind of walking down the street and just not
bothering anybody.
I think this is a monk that got kicked out ofsomething that did something wrong.
(49:20):
So long story short, there's something inthere.
I don't think it's demonic.
I. I think it's more like, this is mine.
This belongs to me.
I don't want you in here.
What do you think?
Speaker A (49:31):
Yeah, I think I agree with you.
I'm not.
I'm not sure what it being demonic because Ithink personally, I mean, I mean, I've got no
rhyme or reason for this, but I just think ifit was demonic, it wouldn't have stayed around
for so long.
Speaker B (49:43):
Yeah.
Speaker A (49:44):
So I just, I do think it is like you said, basically what you've said there.
It's just, it's whatever type of spirit, but Idefinitely think that it is an evil spirit.
But it does seem to claim some sort ofpossession over that house.
Speaker B (49:55):
Absolutely.
And now with the Enfield Poultry guys, if you
want to look that up, people live in thathouse and nothing is happening.
Zip.
Zero, nothing.
So when you, if you're doing an episode on it,it's kind of like, oh, it's kind of all right.
It's like the Amityville Horror here in theStates.
That was just bullshit.
(50:15):
You know, it's just.
And that's sad because you.
You want to believe and you want to believethere's something more out.
Nothing, hopefully too scary, but enough thatkeeps your interest in everything.
And in the uk,
man, you guys got a hot.
You guys touching the.
Scratching the surface of all these differentthings.
(50:36):
I bet right down the road you probably have apub that's haunted, right?
Speaker A (50:40):
Yep. Every pub here has a ghost.
It's.
I think it's a rule you have if, if you have apub and like your ghost disappears, you have
to close the pub.
I thing.
Speaker B (50:48):
I love it.
So like I said, any.
What's.
What's coming up for Spooky Chef?
Speaker A (50:53):
Well, lots of guest episodes because Billy is dealing with whatever he has
to deal with.
So I've been just plowing on, doing a lot of
guest episodes, which as much as I love doingthe guest episodes with Billy, I love doing
the, the not the normal episodes with Billy.
I love doing the guest episodes without himbecause I just get to talk to people like
(51:15):
yourself and just have really goodconversations.
So.
Speaker B (51:18):
Yeah.
Speaker A (51:18):
Yeah. Well, just new episodes every Sunday.
Speaker B (51:21):
Love it.
I love it.
So when this episode comes out, like I said,we'll have all your links and everything.
If you are looking for a guest, I woulddefinitely come on and one of the things I
just mentioned, the Amityville Horror House.
I actually tried to buy that house.
Almost bought it.
Almost bought it.
Almost bought it.
But unfortunately, the real estate agent toldme, and I've told this story a million times
(51:44):
in my podcast.
It's not hot.
It was all bs.
So I know I have a lot of people telling me Ishould have bought it, should have rented it
out, like, you know, for gas.
And I'm like, I don't want to lie to people.
You know what I mean?I don't want to give me, like, a bunch of
money.
And then I'm like, oh, it's nothing.
And you just wasted your time.
(52:04):
Like, I'm not that kind of guy, so.
But anyway, yeah.
So if you ever want me on his guest, I'll
definitely.
Come on.
Speaker A (52:10):
Definitely re.
Speaker B (52:12):
Reach out to me.
We talk about whatever.
I love the uk.
I love history.
So anything you know you want to do, I amready for it.
Thanks, Liam.
I really appreciate you taking the time and go
over time with me.
I know the time difference, so I reallyappreciate that.
Speaker A (52:27):
No problem.
No problem.
I've really enjoyed it.
Speaker B (52:29):
All right.
Thanks, Liam. Have a good one.
Speaker A (52:31):
Cheers.
Foreign.
Speaker B (00:12):
Spooky friends.
Welcome to another episode of DairylandFrights, the paranormal podcast that covers
everything spooky, creepy and mysterious inthe Midwest and beyond.
And today I have a spooky friend from what wesay here in the States.
And I'm old, so you'll hear this one acrossthe pond.
(00:35):
So here, the uk.
My guest is Liam from the Spooky Shed podcast.
Welcome, Liam.
Speaker A (00:49):
Thank you.
Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker B (00:51):
I love to have my UK people.
I've had the ghost story guys on, I've had
Strange States on, I've had a couple otherpeople.
And what I love about the UK is you guys havesuch rich history, like talking to UK people.
Like, literally your pub is older than theentire United States.
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Like crazy furniture, older than, you know,anything here in America.
It's.
I just love the rich history and I got to get
out there so.
And get over there and see some of that greathistory.
So,
Liam, why don't you tell my spooky friendsabout your podcast and what it's a little bit
(01:32):
about and, you know, why you decided to, youknow, get into a podcast.
Speaker A (01:37):
Yeah. So me and Billy, we host the Spooky Shed podcast.
Billy's my co host, but he is.
I always say to get hold of Billy, it would be
easier to kill him and then use a Ouija boardto speak to him because you've probably got a
better chance of getting a hold of him thatway.
So he's not always here with me, but he ismost of the time.
Yeah.
I mean, like I said, closing the title of
Spooky Shed, we do it in our shed here.
(01:57):
It's kind getting spookier as we go.
We're getting some more decorations in here to
make it look nice and spooky.
But say we similar to yourself all around.
We always say our little catchphrase.
Our little catchphrase is for conversationsaround all things weird, scary, and of course,
spooky.
But we got into.
We got into it all where.
Well, we started podcasting.
Originally we had a football podcast and thenthat was too much hard work to do because we
(02:20):
had to keep up with everything.
Whereas doing stuff like this, we can bulkrecord.
So it's great.
Speaker B (02:23):
I hear you.
Speaker A (02:24):
Yeah. And it was when we were doing our original podcast, we.
After we finished doing that, we had anargument for about an hour about if we
believed in ghosts or not.
And then we both just said, well, we shouldhave just recorded that because that was
better than any of the football **** we'vebeen doing.
Speaker B (02:38):
I love that.
Go ahead.
Speaker A (02:40):
I was just gonna say.
And it went from there.
That was how it started.
Originally we were called let's talk about.
And then we decided to have a little rebrandat the beginning of this year.
Speaker B (02:49):
I love that because I was asking, I was gonna ask you about the spooky shed, and I
thought maybe it was from your childhood.
Like, maybe had an uncle that a spooky shed inhis back of his house or flat or whatever you
want to call it.
And you were like, hey, I remember this when I
was a little kid going in there and it scaredthe **** out of me, you know,
(03:10):
But I'm like, that.
You're actually in a shed.
That's awesome.
Speaker A (03:12):
Yeah, well, I, I, I, I like the idea of having like, myself a little, my own
little space.
And I thought, what's better than a shed?
I like, I like sheds.
I don't know why, but things are starting toget weird in here.
Like so, so building room as well.
Have you heard that in here?
Speaker B (03:32):
Yeah. That's nice.
I love that.
Have you had any paranormal occurrences whenyou guys been doing podcasts in the shed?
Anything weird happen recently?
Speaker A (03:40):
Yeah. So let's.
Like I say, obviously I build my Legos in here
as well.
I've got a big shelf over here full of them.
And when I'm doing that, nothing happens.
But then again, I, but then when I'm doing
that, I have the lights on white so I can seebetter.
As soon as I turn these lights red, thingsstart to happen.
Like,
like I, I've been satiny for hours buildingLego on a night.
Like I said, same, same time as it is now.
(04:01):
Like I said, It's 9pm for me now and nothing
happens.
It's fine, don't hear a thing.
As soon as I start talking about paranormal
stuff, spooky stuff, I, I've, I've heardfootsteps on the roof of the shed, which is
weird as hell.
Could very easily be a cat, but sometimesthey've been very heavy to be a cat.
I don't know.
But. And then there was one time when I wasrecording before I got another before I got
(04:25):
like a lock on the inside of the shed door.
It just randomly opened very, very slowly one
night that scared the hell out of me.
Speaker B (04:31):
Yeah, I bet, I bet.
You know, that's really interesting you said
that, because I've had other podcasters tellme about this, and one podcaster told me,
like, same to you, same thing you happened toyou.
But he's like in an office and he kind of hasa curtain that he closes so the kids don't
come in and bug up.
It's kind of like, hey, dad has the curtain
(04:52):
closed?
That means he's busy.
But one day he said he was sitting there, like
it was like three in the morning, so hecouldn't sleep.
And he was like, I'm going to do some researchon my.
My new episode.
And he said while he was sitting there, he
saw, like, a hand, like kind of an oldwithered hand grab the curtain, start to pull
on it.
And he was like, oh, my God.
(05:13):
You know, and he's.
You know, he's like, okay, maybe I'm justtired or anything.
And then he's.
Then he said something to the effect of like,
you're not scaring me, and you're not.
You're not gonna scare me.
And then it went away.
I'm like, wow.
Speaker A (05:26):
No, that would have scared me.
Speaker B (05:29):
Oh, I hear you.
I hear you.
I totally hear you.
And, you know, like, I've been doing research
late at night, too.
And one time I went to my door, so I have an
office, and I close my door, and there was afeeling that I had, like there was some kind
of weird thing behind the door.
And I was like, there was just a voice in myhead that said, don't open that door.
(05:51):
Do not open that door.
Because I. I have a cat, too, and I have a dog
and kids.
So I'm like, you know, they.
They like to mess with me, have a little fun
with dad, and.
But that feeling, I was just like.
And it's weird, right?It's like, you don't know, like, what's going
on?
Are you summoning something?Are you strange, right?
Speaker A (06:10):
Well, a friend of mine, I don't know if you know Tommy, he holds the let's get
freaky podcast.
He has a. He has a brilliant little
catchphrase.
So he says, when you look into the paranormal,
it looks back.
Speaker B (06:19):
Yes, I love that.
I love that.
Speaker A (06:22):
And I'm starting to think he has a point.
Speaker B (06:23):
I think he does.
Yes, I think he does.
So before we get into our topic, Liam, can youtell me about your first paranormal
experience?Were you young?
When did it happen?
Like, you kind of tell my spooky friends it'sfunny.
Speaker A (06:38):
So the first one that I have a very vague memory of, so it's.
I don't really count it.
So when I was like, I know, four, five year
old maybe.
Up until I was about six, according to my
family, my mom and dad, I used to sit in mybedroom for Hours and just talk to people that
weren't there.
(06:59):
I have memories of doing it, but I don't havememories.
I can't remember anything that was said.
So it can't have been anything that was very
interesting or exciting.
I have very vague memories of doing that.
But I said that that's just very bland.
I mean.
I mean, it's weird,
but I don't know, it's a bit bland.
Then the other one, I always.
The other story that I always tell, experience
(07:20):
story, however you want to word it, is fromwhen I was.
How old was I getting?
I was like.
It was like 13, 14.
It was the first time I was left overnight onmy own in the house.
My mom and dad, they'd gone away somewhere,not sure where.
It was always a thing in our house when wewere growing up that the front door was only
ever locked when everyone was going to bed.
(07:41):
We weren't one of them houses because I know,
I know a lot of people, they have the doorlocked constantly.
So our key was always in the door as well.
Like, even when the bed key was always just
left in the door, it was never locked.
And then the key taken out.
That would have been.
It just didn't happen.
So it would have been really weird.
Yeah, but I'd been out with my friends.
I come home there.
I hadn't locked the door, but we always put
(08:03):
the key in the door.
So it was there ready to lock it.
So then I think I had not gone and made myself
a sandwich or somewhere later on thePlayStation.
And then I decided, oh, I'm gonna go to theshop.
I want some.
I don't know, wanted something to eat on, some
snacks or something.
So then I go to open the door and take the key
out, but the door's locked.
Oh, no, that was it.
No, I'm like, no, I've completely told that
wrong.
So the key wasn't in the door.
(08:23):
That was it.
That was why it was weird.
So the key wasn't in the door.
So I'd gone to open the door and the door waslocked, but there was no key in it.
So I'm.
I'm thinking to myself, well, where is my key
then?
Because like I said, as a rule, I would haveput the key in the door.
That was what we always normally did.
So I'm searching a house like, where the hell
is my key?
And then I found it later in my bedroom.
Speaker B (08:43):
Okay.
Speaker A (08:43):
Which is really, really weird.
So I'm freaking out now at this point, I'm
thinking, like, there's Someone in the househere.
So I remember I was on the phone to, like, myuncles and stuff.
I'm like, right, you need to come around andsearch the house, man, because there's someone
in here.
Speaker B (08:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A (08:55):
I'd say that that's.
That's the real first one that always stuck
with me because.
Just because, like I said, just because of how
much of a. It was like it was set in stonethat, like, say we'd never.
We never locked the door until everyone wasgoing to bed.
The key was always left in the door.
And then the fact that the door was locked and
there was and the key wasn't there.
It was.
It was really weird and it really did freak me
out.
Speaker B (09:14):
Yeah, definitely.
And that will fit in our story today.
I'm doing a little tease for the audience kindof trustee.
So you told me you and your friend had adiscussion about ghosts, whether they're real
or not.
What makes you believe they are real?
Speaker A (09:29):
Well, this is the funny thing.
So the whole argument that we had originally
was that I was very, very, very skepticaloriginally.
Speaker B (09:37):
Okay, sure.
Speaker A (09:40):
Billy was the big believer.
Like I say, he has lots of investigation
equipment that we have now used.
But the more we've done this, the more people
I've spoken to, like yourself, and I've heardso many different people's experiences.
Obviously, I've done a lot research intothings.
We've done our own investigation.
We've only done the one so far, but definitely
got plans to do more.
And now I'm.
(10:01):
So my personal little catchphrase is now thatI believe in things, but I don't know what I
believe in.
If that makes any sort of sense.
Speaker B (10:07):
No, that perfectly does.
So on your investigations, have you seen,
heard, smelled, whatever, something that madeyou go, huh, maybe this is real.
Maybe there are ghosts.
Speaker A (10:20):
Yeah. So the one we've done, we went to a woodland area that is near where I
live, and there's an old abandoned house inthere.
And we set up Billy's REM pod and his SLScamera in front of the doorway there because
it was the only place where.
Because I was very.
I was like, well, that SLS camera is not going
to work because there's too many branches andtwigs and sticks everywhere.
The thing's just going to go off 24 7.
So we decided, right, we'll put it where thedoor is to the house because, you know, it's
(10:42):
the only place there's no branches or sticksor anything.
So we set that up with recording.
We're just walking around it we got the catballs out and stuff.
I'm skeptical on them things, especiallyoutside because a little bit of wind they're
going to go off.
So then we heard the REM pod going off.
So we went back over and we looked at the
camera in front of the doorway.
This abandoned house, REM pods going off still
and then just a stick figure on the camerascreen.
(11:05):
So that was weird.
And I was just like, you know, no, I want to
go home.
Speaker B (11:09):
Yeah, I mean,
I'm doing a paranormal investigation.
My first one this summer.
I have Liam A. I live in a small town and itdoes have a history of ghosts.
I don't know if you're familiar with thearchitect Frank Lloyd Wright, a famous
architect.
He has his mansion up on a hill.
(11:30):
Taliesin.
So he's a world famous architect.
You can go Google him if you don't know who he
is.
He created things all over the world.
He was a genius architect.
However he was tragedy.
Just, just, just followed him everywhere, justeverywhere.
You know, he lost his wife, almost lost his.
Well, he did lose his wife and kids.
(11:50):
They were burned alive in their house by ajealous co worker while someone that worked, a
landscaper, what we call it, had had an affairwith her.
And he basically trapped her in a buildingwith the kids and nailed all the doors,
windows shut and poured gasoline all over thebuilding and lit it on fire.
(12:11):
And they all died.
Yeah. And it was.
This was a real true crime in the 1930s.
You can go on Google, you can go look at it.
And it's.
I mean it's just one thing after another
happened to him.
But anyway, there's a cemetery near there.
There's like this.
Oh, and you guys probably have.
I don't.
Countless of these old cemeteries like in themiddle of nowhere where it's just broken
(12:34):
tombstones and you know what I mean, there'slike a church and it's just like out of a
horror movie.
Right. Anyway, I'm gonna do my firstinvestigation.
I have a couple of people gonna come with mebecause I'm like you.
The first time something touches me orsomething, I'm out.
Speaker A (12:51):
Well, that actually happened to me at the end of hours.
So we'd let.
We'd left the woodland area.
We were back on the side of the road and Billywas, Billy was going through some of the
footage that we had.
And, and then, so then I was stood like in themiddle of the road because it's very quiet
road.
So I was like, I'll be fine, study and you
know, like when you're in a crowd and you feelsomeone, like, brush against.
Like, brush against your back, against yourshoulders, and, like, you know that it's
(13:13):
someone there.
Like, that happened.
And it was like, it wasn't even just faintly.
It was very strongly.
It was almost as if I felt, like, almost.
Almost slightly being nudged forward.
Speaker B (13:23):
Mm.
Speaker A (13:23):
So I was.
And that was when I was like, right, Nope.
Definitely.
We are going now.
Get back to the car.
We are gone.
Speaker B (13:29):
I hear you.
I totally hear you.
And we're.
We're both pretty big guys, so it's like, you
think we'd be like, hey, man.
But I have these women who are, like, half my
size are like, bring it on.
And I'm like, okay, settle down.
Okay.
Like, I don't have a problem with you, ghost.
Bring it on.
Like, they have cursed.
One of my podcast guests has cursed dolls all
(13:52):
over her house, and she's like, whatever.
Speaker A (13:56):
Oh, yeah.
No, I couldn't do that.
Speaker B (13:58):
No, neither can I. Neither can I.
So let's get right into it, shall we?
In our topic, and this is one of my favoritetopics other than the Enfield Poltergeist,
this one is.
I feel, and, Liam, please correct me at anytime that it's more real than Enfield
Poltergeist.
This is the way I feel.
(14:19):
And so what if I told you, Liam, there was ahouse in Britain that is considered the most
haunted house in Britain, but it's not easy tofind,
and it's had a poltergeist living there, well,basically for centuries.
And that is the Black Monk of Pontefract.
(14:40):
So Pontefract is, you know, please, you know,
I'm an American, so I have a mushmouth.
So if I make any mispronunciations, just stepin and be like, no, it's pronounced this.
But what I love about this story is I actuallyhad one of my podcast.
Podcast. Podcast guests from Strange States.
Speaker A (15:02):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker B (15:03):
Go to this.
Yeah, so he actually went to this, and hespent some time there.
And it is a place you can go to.
The gentleman who rents it out or whatever you
want to say, leases it out or whatever.
You can go in there as a paranormalinvestigator.
So I'm going to throw some of his experiencesin here.
But let me give you, before I start, Liam,anything you want to add about this small town
(15:30):
and, like, about the house?
Because I guess it's a nondescript house, andit's nothing.
It's nothing out of the ordinary.
It looks like a house.
Speaker A (15:39):
Yeah,
that's one of the famous things about it.
It's just, it's a very bog standard.
It's just a council house just in a, just in atown in Yorkshire.
Like it's, it's, it's.
There's nothing special about it.
Speaker B (15:52):
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
So. So what they say is it's inconspicuous onthe, the.
Oh boy, I'm trying to pronounce this one.
Is it Pontefract?
It's the Checkered Fields.
Checker Fields Council estate.
Okay. In West Yorkshire.
It's an ordinary looking semi detached home,
but it's home to this violent poltergeist.
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And I had to laugh about this, named Fred.
That's by the, by the Pritchard family whoclaimed it terrorized them in the 60s.
So when I told you black monk, pontiff,supposedly we'll get into it a little bit.
People saw a monk and it kind of like a shadowmonk, but they wound up calling the ghost Fred
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or this poltergeist Fred.
It's kind of interesting.
So let me kind of go through it and kind of
explain here.
And like I said, Liam, just throw whatever you
want to throw in here anytime you want to.
So the poltergeist phenomena reportedly beganin 19.
August of 1966 when the Pritchard family,parents Jean and Joe and daughter Diane and
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son Philip lived in the house.
It lasted for a few days, then stopped for
nearly two years before starting again in 1968and continuing until late 1969.
Now, when someone suggested putting a vampirerepelling garlic on each doorway.
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Why?I don't know.
Somebody suggest this, Suggested this.
The phenomenon ceased and apparently it
stopped for the rest of the time thePritchards were residents in the property.
So I, I don't know if you're.
And my spooky friends are understanding this,
but people thought it was maybe like avampire.
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Let's put some garlic everywhere.
And it stopped.
It. Does that make sense to you, Liam?I, I don't.
Speaker A (17:45):
Not really.
But it is it like we're talking about
Yorkshire here in the 60s.
So I mean that, that was just probably
everyday occurrence whether he had apoltergeist or not.
Speaker B (17:55):
Yeah, it is the 60s, people.
So Gene Pritchard.
Pritchard, nicknamed the poltergeist Fred.
Okay.
I don't know why that.
She just did.
The press dubbed him for whatever reason, Mr.
Nobody.
Okay. And the history now remembers him as theBlack Monk of Pontefract after a black robed
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monk was reportedly seen in the house.
So what's really interesting me about this,
Liam, is it Almost seems like they were kindof like having a sense of humor about it.
Does that.
You know what I mean?
It didn't seem like.
I mean, they were scared.
There's a number of things that happened, butit never seemed like the Enfield Poltergeist,
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which I covered a lot, few episodes ago,actually, last year, where it seems it was
malevolent.
You know what I mean?Like, it was hurting people, it was scaring
people.
But there are some scary things associated
with this house.
Right.
I mean, it's not like it's just going around.
It's a poltergeist.
So just before we get into some of theexperiences here, have you ever thought of
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going there and looking at it or friends?
Speaker A (19:03):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
It's definitely on my list of things to do.
And to be honest, if Billy doesn't starthimself out soon, I'm just going to go on my
own.
Well, I say that I probably.
I'm probably too scared to go on my own.
I do want to go there because it's only about
one.
About an hour and a half away from us, so it's
fairly close.
Speaker B (19:18):
Yeah.
Speaker A (19:19):
Where I am.
Speaker B (19:21):
Yeah.
Speaker A (19:21):
So I do want to go there.
Speaker B (19:23):
Yeah. So on the podcast last year, I had Chris from Strange States, and he
actually went there with a friend of his to doan investigation.
And when he was there, he went into Fred'sroom.
And in Fred's room, what will happen is if yousit on the bed, a little ball will just
magically come out from the bed, just roll upfrom out of the bed, and you basically pick up
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the ball, and you say, hey, Fred, are you.
Whatever you're gonna.
He was communicating with Fred, and he would
roll the ball back under the bed, and then hewould come back out.
And then he was like, okay, wait a minute.
Like you skeptical?He said, well, this is an old house.
It's probably not level.
So, you know, who knows what's going on?
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So he went down to talk to, like, the.
One of the managers.
Was there somebody, you know, looking after
the house?And he said, hey, up in the room here, I think
you better do something about it, because yourflat, your floor is not level.
And the.
And the guy looked at him and goes, you met
Fred?
He's like, fred?Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Fred likes to roll the ball
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and likes to play.
And he's like, okay, all right, fine.
And then he told to his friend,
wow, you know, this is really happening.
This happened.
And she was a little scared.
She was like, I'm not really sure if I want to
do that.
So he said, I'm going back up.
So he went back up, and he closed the door,and he started doing that again.
And then also, he was turning on and off thelights.
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And Fred didn't like that.
So Fred would, like, turn the light on.
He would turn it off, Chris would turn it off.
Fred would turn it on, Chris would turn itoff.
And then also, he felt like Fred was gettingon the bed with him.
Like, he'd feel the bed, like, depressed, andhe's like, okay, this is getting weird.
And then also he did some, like, EVPs and someother communication and heard some voices he
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believed.
And, you know, he just said the whole house isjust heavy.
Especially when he said he walked in, it justfelt heavy.
It felt dark.
And she said it was just like someone putting
a weight on your shoulders.
And his friend downstairs, she was like, wow,you're, like, moving around a lot up there.
And he's like, no, I just been sitting on thebed.
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And she goes, well, I've heard, like.
Like, running around.
Like, someone's running around up there.
And I just want to.
Are you okay?
What's going on?He's like, I'm not doing that.
So it was like a little kid.
Like your kids when they're little and they'rerunning around, you know, above you, you know,
if you have, you know, like, a basement orwhatever, and you're like, hey, kids, you
know, stop running around.
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You know, you drive me crazy.
And settle down.
And she could hear that.
She could hear running around.
The guy who was there, who's the caretaker ofthe house is like, yep, I hear that all the
time when I'm alone here.
And I in.
Chris is like, wait a minute.
You're alone here?And he's like, well, you know, I care.
Take the house.
So sometimes I come in here and, you know,
wait for people to do investigations, and Ijust sit here by myself.
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I'm like, wow.
Speaker A (22:20):
And Chris was like, I'd ran in the garden.
Speaker B (22:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Right.
You know what I mean?
And he says he.
He hears people, like, footsteps coming
downstairs here is like bouncy balls upstairs.
Hears voices.
Things will move.
He said he saw, like, in the kitchen, like, a
plate, like, hover, and then, like, go over tothe table.
He's seen other things hover.
He's been grabbed.
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He's been pushed.
And I was like, okay, whatever they're paying
you is not enough, right?
Speaker A (22:49):
And definitely.
Speaker B (22:51):
Yeah. And Chris just said the weirdest thing about it is, like, it's a
council house.
So similar to like what we call here, like,
like a row house, like all these housestogether or we call it duplexes here in the
States.
And there's nothing.
He was showing me pictures later and I'm like,
that is so strange.
You know?
So do you.
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Before I get into.
I have some other.
I put this account together from this one guy
who did an investigation there, what he foundthis John Gentleman.
But do you have any theories, Liam, of whythis house and why this one would be, you
know, I don't know, possessed by a ghost orwhatever you want to say.
Speaker A (23:31):
I don't know.
It's funny, isn't it, because you mentioned
there the Enfield Poltergeist, which I amextremely skeptical of.
I don't know about yourself.
Yeah, I really, really struggle with that one.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, because it's.
It's that old adage, isn't it?
Of like, there's certain horror films, youknow, it's like, oh, it's.
It's not.
It's not the house that's haunted, it's you.
Whereas obviously this looks like it actuallyis just the house that's haunted.
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But I don't know, I mean, maybe.
I mean, I'm not sure how.
I'm not sure how old the house is, but I mean,I don't know, maybe first owner or something.
I don't know, like, I don't know.
It's a strange one.
Especially when it's like a monk.
That's what, that's what really throws it off.
If it was like a bin man or something, then
it'd be.
It'd make a lot more sense.
But like a monk, it's just.
That's the bizarrest thing for me.
Speaker B (24:13):
Yeah, right.
And that's just.
I don't know, it just doesn't make sensebecause not to get into the Enfield
Poltergeist, but remember the EnfieldPoltergeist?
There were things in there.
Well, the Conjuring Two.
Yeah, Conjuring Two. Or was it Conjuring Threethat did the Enfield one?
Speaker A (24:31):
There's number two.
Speaker B (24:32):
Here's a. Here's the two.
Okay, here's the thing.
I'm not a big Ed and Lorraine Warren.
I don't know if you're familiar with them.
Speaker A (24:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B (24:40):
If you do some more research into them, which I would do an episode on.
And not to besmirch their legacy because theydid some good things, but for the most part
they faked a lot of it and a lot of it wasbullshit.
Okay. So in that movie, in the conjuring to Edand Lorraine Warren, there are for a long
time.
That is not true in the Enfield Poltergeist.
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And Lorraine Warren were there for about 20minutes.
They came in the house, they did someinvestigation, they were like, I don't know, I
think it might be.
And they left.
So in the movie it sounds like they're.
Oh my God, you know, they're running aroundtrying to help this little girl.
No, that's not true at all.
And in the end, in the real Enfield
Poltergeist where the famous picture of thelittle girl hovering in the air, she's jumping
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off the bed.
You can tell I've seen my kids jump off thebed of movie.
Yeah, right, yeah, she's jumping.
Clearly jumping off the bed like a little kid
does.
Come on, let's stop.
But yes, there are some things, some writingon the walls, some other things of seeing.
I believe it's called the Stick man or thisold man that kind of was creepy around.
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Okay, maybe, maybe I'll go with that on you.
But in here there's actual physical evidence
that people have seen, including Chris fromStrange State who told me so with my own eyes.
Why would I be making this up?There's nothing in it for him other than I had
a really good experience.
So I, I just think that's really interesting.
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Again, I don't know why they call him Mr.
Nobody.
I don't know.
Speaker A (26:12):
No, that's a weird one.
Speaker B (26:14):
I had a little really interesting find here about someone who actually went to
the house and tried to get evidence of Fred'spresence.
So this person, I'm just going to read this,what this person did.
So the person he went to there, he was aninvestigator and he tried to gather evidence
and you know, he said, you know, he brought abunch of equipment with him and everything
that.
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And one of the things he was doing when hestarted there, he said that really the
scariest thing about this is that it lookslike a normal house and like it could happen
to anyone.
And he, he said like,
and I quote, you know, this.
There's nothing unusual about the house.
It's in a small town.
It's.
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Nothing has happened to the other councilhouses.
There hasn't been, you know, nothing.
And so that's where he said, I was reallyconfused about it.
So he brought with him a woman.
Her name was Lisa Routing.
And she has over 17 years experience.
She has done over 9,000 paranormalinvestigations.
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A hundred of them at 30 East Drive, you know,the council house and she refers the two as
her second home.
That's crazy.
Speaker A (27:24):
Live there.
Speaker B (27:25):
Yeah. She said, and I quote, I consider Fred as my spiritual husband.
Okay, that's weird.
80 times, lady.
Like. Okay, so one of the things that.
And in here, there's not a lot of reportingwith this, but one of the things they said
that happened to Diane, the daughter who wasthere, she had been dragged upstairs by her
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hair and left visible finger marks on herneck.
So that was one of the things.
And this is told in a book which I want to
get.
It's in.
Colin Wilson is the author in his 1981 book,
Poltergeist.
I thought that was really interesting to bedragged up the stairs by her.
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The daughter being dragged up there by.
By her hair and them seeing marks.
Again, like in the Enfield Poltergeist, there
was where the.
If you remember, supposedly the little girl
would be writing stuff, like really nastystuff on the walls, like, you know, to
threaten people, really malicious stuff.
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So, again, kind of a difference there, butthis is really interesting.
So the family, they.
One of the.
You know, they did the garlic thing, and Iguess it worked.
But what the family said was when the familytried to banish Fred, they tried singing the
hymn Onward Christian Soldiers.
And supposedly Fred conducted them using
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floating air in a floating pair of jeans,gloves.
So imagine you sitting there trying to get ridof this ghost, and then these floating pairs
of your wife's gloves just start conducting.
What do you think, Liam?Yeah, I'm out.
Speaker A (29:16):
That's probably the point when I would give up.
Not that, like, say, I mean, being.
Being dragged up the stairs by your hair.
I mean, I'd be fine with that because Ihaven't got much left.
But that. That. That would.
That would do it for me.
But if I really needed another nail in thecoffin, it would be the ghost literally taking
the **** out of you whilst you're trying toget rid of it.
Speaker B (29:34):
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
So one of the things to this gentleman who didthis investigation, like I said, this is some
of his research from talking to differentpeople, talking to the family, talking.
Talking to other investigators.
One of the things he says, Lisa, who has been
there 80 times, one of the things she saysthat Fred is still as active as he ever was.
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Okay. She tells the story of that one day shewent with her and I don't know, 12 ghost
investigators in the house.
That's a lot.
Okay.
And they all ran out except for her, which is
weird.
In terror one night, like they were working onsomething, and then they heard one of them
Heard over their headphones, actually all ofthem, pardon me.
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They heard a man's voice say get out.
And they all just went, like I would.
Right.
And also she says that one of the guests wasleft with cigarette burns on his arm.
He was smoking in this one room where I guesswhere Fred is.
And I guess Fred didn't like it.
And he claims that Fred took his cigarette and
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put it out on his arm.
Speaker A (30:41):
I've heard that one before.
Speaker B (30:43):
Yeah, that's okay.
The other one that I never heard before was a
man blasphemed.
So he priced like Jesus Christ or something
and had his leg broke in two places.
Oh,
okay.
Fred, I don't think you're.
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I don't think you're a little boy.
I. I think this is something going on.
Right?Because if you think about it, if someone.
If there's a monk, right.
Why is this monk angry?
Who knows, right?But like if you ever had a nun, if you ever
went to Catholic school, which gladly Ididn't, but I had friends and they got, you
know, not today they do this, but back in myday, they would hit my kid with a ruler or hit
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my.
Excuse me, my friend, excuse me.
With a ruler.
Like he remembers that.
Get wrapped on the, you know, for like saying
Jesus or just God dang it, or something likethat.
So that's why I'm thinking that this is sometype of religious entity.
Do you agree with that?I mean,
it's just interesting.
Speaker A (31:48):
Possibly.
I mean, given the fact that like you said that
we're told that he was a monk then.
Yes, but I don't know, because it just.
It seems too evil.
I mean, I mean, I know it's not as dramatic assome stories you hear about evil poltergeists
and spirits and stuff, but there's stillplenty that's happened.
I mean, like I said, I mean like to me, youknow, your everyday monk, there's a scent,
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there's a phrase I never thought I'd say wouldthen would drag a girl by.
By the hair up the stairs.
You know what I mean?
Speaker B (32:15):
Yeah.
Speaker A (32:16):
Like dead or alive.
Speaker B (32:17):
Yeah. Right.
And again, there's no way to prove this.
There are no pictures of this.
There is no. I mean, there are pictures outthere.
If you go on Google and stuff is showingshadows at this house and some other
investigators have some EVPs.
Okay, believe what you want to believe.
But when he was investigating to this
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gentleman, his paranormal investigator, hesaid that one of his co.
Investigators said they had a slight pain intheir ankle during the evening.
During an experiment in one of the rooms.
And so he asked them, you know, what's going
on?And the person just was like, you know, my
ankle really hurts.
Like, it feels like I broke it or something.
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And then they continued on to the night.
This investigator, whose ankle was hurt and
everything, and then the next day, he callsthem and he says, hey, you all right?
You know, what's going on?And this investigator had to go to the
hospital and get a cast on.
His ankle had been broken.
Right.
Now think about that for a second.
To break a leg in two places and to break anankle,
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right.
That's powerful stuff.
I mean, that takes a lot of energy from aghost.
And, you know, people, most of the time, myparanormal investigators who I brought on the
show, have been pushed, shoved, hair pulled,stuff like that.
Think of the power, Liam, to break someone'sankle.
I mean, I don't know.
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What do you think?
Speaker A (33:44):
Never heard of anything to that extent.
I've heard stories of, like you said, again,hair being pulled, even people being pulled
around rooms and stuff, but never to the pointof broken bones.
That's.
That's definitely the.
That's definitely the worst one I've heard
regarding that.
Speaker B (34:01):
Yeah. Yeah.
This is again, yeah, believe what you want tobelieve.
Right.
But also, while he was there, he.
Another investigator, again, claims that she
was near the stairs investigating some things.
And, like, there was a shot, like someone
tried to shove her down the stairs.
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Luckily, she caught her balance, but she saidit kind of felt like.
Like a kid, like a little.
Because she felt lower on her back.
She's.
And she's saying, like, if it was a.
It was a man, a grown man, they probably wouldhave pushed me a little higher up.
But she kind of felt like it was a kid.
So I'm like, okay.
But one of the things also he found when hewas in there, when he was doing his
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investigation, he put some crystals around.
If you know anything about crystals.
I don't believe in crystals, but if you do,that's fine.
Nothing wrong with it.
Certain crystals have certain powers to absorb
negative energy, to protection, so on.
And so.
And he put crystals around there andeverything.
And all of a sudden, he heard a. What?He says a little boy say, stop.
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So,
you know, he was like,
asking everybody, like, hey, did you say that?And they're like, no, I didn't say that.
So I think, to me, just.
And I know this is a little early to say this,
but wouldn't you think this is some type ofdemon?
And I don't want to use that word.
But this is kind of getting to me, like
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there's some type of evil here going on withthe number of things that, you know is
happening.
But what do you think?
Speaker A (35:37):
I have to say I agree with you.
I'm sorry.
I've just been thrown off.
I've just.
This.
This is what I mean about things happening in
here.
So where I'm sat here.
So when Billy's here, he's sat opposite me.
So there's a chair sat in front of me.
It's just moved ever so slightly.
Oh, like, minuscule amount, but just enough
for me to see it above my laptop there.
And, like.
So that was why I was a bit like this then,
looking over the top, because that was weird.
Speaker B (35:59):
Man, I wish I could have got that on video.
Maybe I did.
That'd be so cool.
Speaking of that, I interviewed a man wholives in this, what they call the Omen house.
And it's in California.
It is.
Where?I don't know if you know anything about the
Manson family, how they killed this oneactress and stuff.
Well, he built a house right near where SharonTate was killed.
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It's right near the area and everything.
And when he was building this house, people
were telling him, like, he said someone like amedium or something came to him, like this
strange woman and just said, you shouldn'tbuild here.
This is evil place.
You should not build your house here.
And he's like, whatever, lady.
It's a gorgeous house, by the way, in the LA
hills.
And anyway, when I interview him, he has ghost
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hunters all the time.
He has had these spirits.
When I was interviewing him, I saw shadows
going across the screen.
And he goes, did you see that?
And I'm like, yeah, I look like a shadow.
He's like, yeah.
And he's like, he's living in this house so
long, he's just used to it.
Not me, man.
I. I just said, how can you do this?And he goes.
I just tell him.
And during the.
(37:06):
During.
During our podcast episode, he's like, hey,
guys, knock it off.
I'm trying to do an episode here.
There were things happening around him.
He's like, oh, man, it's kind of annoying.
Like, what?
Speaker A (37:18):
You know, I just hope something doesn't start smashing my Lego up, because
then I will be ******.
Speaker B (37:23):
Let's.
Oh, that happens.
Yeah, that's.
Yeah, we're in big trouble.
But anyway, the other thing, and this whatChris brought up, too, there is a music box in
the room.
Now, say what you say about music boxes, but
let me tell you this, Liam, if a music boxwould just start playing,
like, three in the morning, and me and mywife's bedroom, that music box is gone.
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I am not messing with it.
And that music box will be triggered by people
coming in the room.
And Chris said when he went in the room the
second time, while he would do that.
Chris, come on, buddy.
When he went in the room the second time, you
know, the music box.
He was, like, looking at the music box.
He was kind of like, oh.
And it started playing on its own.
And he said, I didn't touch it at all.
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Didn't do it.
And then that's when he got a little bit like,
okay.
You know, it's one of those music boxes that
make that really weird dun, dun, dun, dun,dun.
You know, kind of sound.
And you're like, now.
So that has happened to.
The music box has just gone.
Just gone off.
And one of the things that this investigator
had that said that I didn't.
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I don't think I would say this.
He just said, and I quote, fred, did you make
that go off?And could you make that go.
Go off again, please?And it did.
So it went off again without them touching it.
And then he asked, fred, are you happy that
we're here?And he said, as if on command, the EF meter,
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which measures spikes in electromagneticfields commonly associated with the presence
of spirits, started light up.
Like, it went boop.
Like, right to the rat.
So he was like, okay.
And then when they stood near the music box
with the EMF reader, it just was going nuts.
It was just staying on rat.
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It just would not go off rat.
It just strong signal on rat.
And they were just like, okay, something going
on here.
The other thing is, you were talking about
with cat balls and everything, which I alwaysthink is funny when I talk to my
investigators,
because we have that for our cat.
And basically, they're little balls that light
up, and my cat plays with them, and she has agreat.
Well, when they were putting some cat balls onthere and they were talking, they just saw the
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cat balls just started going off just oneafter another,
because they had them throughout the room, youknow, and they just started going off like
crazy one after another.
So, Liam, what is typically with cat balls?
Do you think ghosts.
Why do you think they want to try to touchthem or, you know, interact with them?
Do you think there's a reason for that?
Speaker A (39:56):
I don't know.
I think maybe because they are very.
Or they can be.
Anyway, they can definitely be very sensitive.
And sometimes, like, as far as I'M aware.
And from what I've.
From all the people I've spoke to, I thinkwe've all agreed on that.
Like, you know, ghost spirits, whatever youwant to call them, are an energy.
So then obviously they need to use the energyfor when they want to do anything.
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So I say cat balls.
Being so as sensitive as they are, it's one of
the best things that it might be one of thebest things to use because they're not gonna
have to use as much to make them move and makethem go off, if you know what I mean?
Like saying, oh, make that cat ball go off.
Where if you just, like, blow on it too hard,
it's gonna go off.
I'll slam that door.
Like, slamming the door is going to take a lotmore energy than moving a little plastic ball
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with some lights in it.
Speaker B (40:40):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
So one of the things, too, it's funny that youmentioned that.
So they're in the room and they were trying toget what Chris happened to him, having the
ball come from out the bed, and it wasn'thappening.
They kept on asking, doesn't happen.
So finally, the paranormal investigator said,
I tell you what, we'll stop filming.
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Let's relax.
And is that.
Is that okay?
You know, the friend.
Well, when he said that, the door that wasclosed opens up, starts to creek open.
And after he said that, then he kind of feltlike there was something in the room he can't
describe.
He said it was like something in this room.
Now, that he didn't seem evil or.
(41:23):
Or anything like that, but it just seemedinnocent almost.
And then he said the ball came out from behindthe.
Underneath the back.
And, you know, his cameras were off.
Okay.
Believe what you want to believe.
So they didn't record it, but, you know, theyhad a little fun with that.
Now, one of the things, too, this is you gotto be very careful, folks.
(41:44):
And I'm glad they didn't do it.
They were going to do a Ouija board, but then
people are like, no, it's getting late.
Let's not do a Ouija board.
That's a mistake.
I always tell people, do not mess with a Ouijaboard, even if you think it's a joke.
Unless you have a professional person aroundthat has dealt with this, because I have had
guests on who have Ouija boards, what theycall a demon board.
(42:07):
And they have it all over their houses.
They're all cursed.
And she says she brings it out occasionally.
We'll play with them.
Speaker A (42:12):
**** that.
Speaker B (42:13):
Okay? I don't Know what you think about that, Liam?
Speaker A (42:16):
Nope.
Speaker B (42:17):
No. Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
So one of the things you can do as aninvestigator, you can knock on the walls and,
Liam, I don't know if you've ever done this,but typically ghosts will do the Trinity.
So Jesus, God, holy spirit.
So when you knock on three times, you'll get
that.
Hopefully knock on three times.
Okay.
Now, this is typically by most experts saying
(42:40):
this is a way of the evil spirit or ghostmocking the Trinity.
I don't know about that.
I think it's very interesting.
Like, how would they know that?I just think to me, it's like if you knock on
someone's door, knock, knock, knock, andsomeone usually will maybe knock back for
just, you know, whatever reason.
We're kind of like, I don't know, program thatway.
(43:02):
I think ghosts are kind of programmed thatway, too.
So, I mean, do you.
Have you ever tried that?
Have you ever just been in an investigation orbeen somewhere and just knocked on three
times, see what happens, see if you got a.
Any response?
Speaker A (43:14):
No, I can't say I have.
But, I mean, it's a very easy thing to do, so
I might have to try it and just see whathappens.
But if anything, I'll be out the door, so.
Speaker B (43:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they're wrapping up this investigation.
There were a couple other things, not too big,but then 3am as we know is the witching hour
comes around before we know it.
And they did a couple more things.
Nothing really happened, but they got some
interesting information.
But he says, he.
This gentleman says, yes, this is haunted.
(43:44):
I saw some things, I heard some things, I felt
some things.
This is definitely haunted.
And the whole conclusion of this was, nobody
really knows who the black monk is.
There's been research.
I'm going to do a little more research on itbecause I think this is a fascinating story.
There must be a reason.
There must have been an abbey there, maybe a
(44:05):
church maybe.
I don't know, something.
It's strange that you would summon a. Thatspecific black bunk, right?
Does that make sense, Liam?Like, why would that.
Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
And just know with Poltergeist, they are
technically some of the worst ghosts.
(44:26):
And Liam, hopefully your chair hasn't moved
again or your Legos would not be busted.
After I get.
After we get off the podcast.
But just know something.
I've told other people about this.
This is really weird.
This is one of my paranormal experiences whereI felt there was some type of presence in my
house Again, I live in a regular house.
It's Not a big deal.
My daughter, she's a teenager.
(44:46):
At the time, she was going through somethings.
She was being bullied.
She was being mocked.
You know, it's just.
She was having a terrible time in high school.
Well, one day I was sitting downstairs, and,
you know, I don't know why I didn't run.
I should have.
I was just sitting downstairs, Liam, just in.
In my little.
What I call, man cave, what we call in
America, get away from the kids.
(45:07):
I can watch football.
I can watch and, you know, gotta deal withthat.
And there was a voice that said right next tome, a woman's voice that said, john just said
right next to me.
And I was like, okay, that's really weird.
Then also, when I was downstairs, I felt like
people.
Like I was being followed, like somebody's
watching me.
And then the one that would really scared me.
(45:29):
And I had to call one of my medium friendsabout this and one of my paranormal friends
who's.
Who.
Who just kind of dealt with this.
I was sleeping on my couch, and my back was
away from the door, and I felt like a woman'sfingernails, like, scratching my back.
And like, my wife.
I thought it was my wife, right?
(45:50):
And so I turned around, Liam, there's nobodythere.
And so immediately I called them, and theywere like, what's going on with your daughter?
Both of them were like, what's going on withyour daughter?
And I told him.
They go, okay, well, we got to cleanse your
house, because there's something attached toyour daughter because she's letting a presence
into her.
And that's typically what happens.
(46:11):
So, like, in the Enfield Poltergeist, what
they said, the poltergeist attached themselvesto the young girl.
And that's typically what happens.
A poltergeist ghost.
Evil spirits like to attach themselves to aperson and especially a person going through
all these things.
Like, my daughter was.
She was going through a lot, and she.
She was letting the presence.
(46:32):
The whole thing, letting that presence in.
And that's how people, unfortunately, believe
it or not, go through an exorcism because theybelieve there's some type of evil presence
that is associated with.
Most of it, is just some type of physical.
Like my daughter, I thought it was some type
of, you know, needed therapy and just neededto get through this, you know, and needed love
(46:54):
and support and understanding to get throughthis.
But, you know, who knows, right?That's interesting to me.
And this is what it kind of seems like in thiscase.
So I don't know.
What do you think?
Of the case.
Hopefully you're gonna get out there and takea look at it, and then you can report.
Maybe report back to me, because I'd love tohear.
Speaker A (47:09):
Yeah, definitely.
Like I said, like I said before, it's
definitely somewhere that I want to go to.
But when you were just telling me that story
there, honestly, I got goosebumps everywhere.
That was.
Oh, that was weird.
Speaker B (47:19):
Yeah, I know.
And I hope this never happens to you, Liam,
because it was weird.
It's gone now.
I mean, my daughter is doing great.
She's.
She's a beautiful young lady.
She's doing fine now.
But at that time, and my son went through some
things, too.
That's what I said to this paranormal
researcher and this medium.
I said, well, my son went through this.
You know, he was bullied and everything atschool.
(47:42):
Why?And she goes, maybe there's something with
him.
Maybe he's stronger.
I don't know.
But it's.
It's strange.
So, Liam, I can't thank you enough.
This has been awesome.
This has been a ton of fun.
Like I said, I hope your Legos are okay andthat chair doesn't move anymore, but could you
tell my spooky friends what do you got going?
(48:02):
What's. What's up for the Spooky Shed podcast?
Speaker A (48:05):
Yeah. Can I ask you one question first?
Speaker B (48:07):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker A (48:08):
So before.
Before the chair moved, you sort of asked me
about it being demonic.
So what.
What do you think?Do you.
Do you think it's an actual ghost, or do youthink it is somewhat demonic and evil?
Speaker B (48:17):
So that.
Thank you.
I was going to bring that up.
Thank you so much.
I think, being that there, I want to saythere's some type of spirit there.
I don't know if it's dem.
Because if you think there's been a number ofinvestigators in there,
I don't know, maybe they're keeping a secret,maybe not.
I don't know.
But I think there's an evil spirit.
(48:40):
I think that it's more.
If it's a month.
This is what I think it's like.
This is mine.
This belongs to me.
So anyone here that does any transgressions,you know, swearing or you're weak or
something?Because you got to remember monks, you.
Everybody thinks the monks are like, oh, theywere these really nice people, and they were.
(49:00):
No, Some monks were badasses, and they didn'tlike some things going around, and they would
get physical.
It's not what you think of.
A guy's just sitting there with robes and justkind of walking down the street and just not
bothering anybody.
I think this is a monk that got kicked out ofsomething that did something wrong.
(49:20):
So long story short, there's something inthere.
I don't think it's demonic.
I. I think it's more like, this is mine.
This belongs to me.
I don't want you in here.
What do you think?
Speaker A (49:31):
Yeah, I think I agree with you.
I'm not.
I'm not sure what it being demonic because Ithink personally, I mean, I mean, I've got no
rhyme or reason for this, but I just think ifit was demonic, it wouldn't have stayed around
for so long.
Speaker B (49:43):
Yeah.
Speaker A (49:44):
So I just, I do think it is like you said, basically what you've said there.
It's just, it's whatever type of spirit, but Idefinitely think that it is an evil spirit.
But it does seem to claim some sort ofpossession over that house.
Speaker B (49:55):
Absolutely.
And now with the Enfield Poultry guys, if you
want to look that up, people live in thathouse and nothing is happening.
Zip.
Zero, nothing.
So when you, if you're doing an episode on it,it's kind of like, oh, it's kind of all right.
It's like the Amityville Horror here in theStates.
That was just bullshit.
(50:15):
You know, it's just.
And that's sad because you.
You want to believe and you want to believethere's something more out.
Nothing, hopefully too scary, but enough thatkeeps your interest in everything.
And in the uk,
man, you guys got a hot.
You guys touching the.
Scratching the surface of all these differentthings.
(50:36):
I bet right down the road you probably have apub that's haunted, right?
Speaker A (50:40):
Yep. Every pub here has a ghost.
It's.
I think it's a rule you have if, if you have apub and like your ghost disappears, you have
to close the pub.
I thing.
Speaker B (50:48):
I love it.
So like I said, any.
What's.
What's coming up for Spooky Chef?
Speaker A (50:53):
Well, lots of guest episodes because Billy is dealing with whatever he has
to deal with.
So I've been just plowing on, doing a lot of
guest episodes, which as much as I love doingthe guest episodes with Billy, I love doing
the, the not the normal episodes with Billy.
I love doing the guest episodes without himbecause I just get to talk to people like
(51:15):
yourself and just have really goodconversations.
So.
Speaker B (51:18):
Yeah.
Speaker A (51:18):
Yeah. Well, just new episodes every Sunday.
Speaker B (51:21):
Love it.
I love it.
So when this episode comes out, like I said,we'll have all your links and everything.
If you are looking for a guest, I woulddefinitely come on and one of the things I
just mentioned, the Amityville Horror House.
I actually tried to buy that house.
Almost bought it.
Almost bought it.
Almost bought it.
But unfortunately, the real estate agent toldme, and I've told this story a million times
(51:44):
in my podcast.
It's not hot.
It was all bs.
So I know I have a lot of people telling me Ishould have bought it, should have rented it
out, like, you know, for gas.
And I'm like, I don't want to lie to people.
You know what I mean?I don't want to give me, like, a bunch of
money.
And then I'm like, oh, it's nothing.
And you just wasted your time.
(52:04):
Like, I'm not that kind of guy, so.
But anyway, yeah.
So if you ever want me on his guest, I'll
definitely.
Come on.
Speaker A (52:10):
Definitely re.
Speaker B (52:12):
Reach out to me.
We talk about whatever.
I love the uk.
I love history.
So anything you know you want to do, I amready for it.
Thanks, Liam.
I really appreciate you taking the time and go
over time with me.
I know the time difference, so I reallyappreciate that.
Speaker A (52:27):
No problem.
No problem.
I've really enjoyed it.
Speaker B (52:29):
All right.
Thanks, Liam. Have a good one.
Speaker A (52:31):
Cheers.
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