The Dark Mysteries of the Dulce Base with guest The Secret Society of Strangers

In this thrilling episode of Dairyland Frights, host John invites Lee from the Secret Society of Strangers to delve into the enigmatic world of cryptids, conspiracies, and the infamous Dolce Base. Lee shares his early experiences with the paranormal, including eerie encounters and his fascination with cryptids like the Moth man and the Beast of Bray Road. Together, they explore the chilling tales surrounding Dolce, New Mexico—a supposed underground facility housing extraterrestrial technology and even human-alien hybrids. As they discuss the implications of government secrecy and the possibility of alien encounters, listeners are left questioning what lies beneath the surface of our reality. This episode is packed with spine-tingling stories and thought-provoking theories that will keep you on the edge of your seat!

1. Introduction to Lee and the Secret Society of Strangers

2. Early Paranormal Experiences

3. Cryptids: Moth man and the Beast of Bray Road

4. The Mysteries of Dolce Base

5. Government Secrecy and Alien Encounters

6. Conclusion and Future Topics

References

The Secret Society of strangers https://www.instagram.com/secretsocietyofstrangerspod/

The Montauk project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project

Betty and Barney Hill Abduction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_and_Betty_Hill_incident

 

 

 

 

 

Episode Transcript

>> John (00:13):
Hello my spooky friends and welcome to another episode of
Darland Frights, the paranormal podcast that covers
everything spooky, creepy and
mysterious in the Midwest, and beyond.
And today folks, I have a great guest
on and we're getting back to one of my
favorite subjects but let me bring them on
here for you. First, Lee from the

(00:36):
Secret Society of Strangers,
welcome. I
doing great and again thank.

>> Lee (00:43):
You.

>> John (00:51):
For being on the podcast. Lee and I gon have a great
timeus. We're gonna talk about a great topic. I'm teasing
you guys, I know, but we were talking
offline here and Lee and I are excited
about this because it doesn't get a lot of.
Not as much as it used to, I should say.
press and things of that nature. Lee, if you

(01:11):
could do my, me and my spooky friends a
favor, could you talk a little bit about the
Secret Society of Strangers and what it's all about.

>> Lee (01:37):
Some true prime mainly're into
like cryptids and missing people
and those kinds of mysteries.

>> John (01:44):
Yeah.

>> Lee (01:45):
And me and two other hosts, me and my friend Josh and
Jen and we just, it's hanging out, it's like hanging out with your
friends talking conspiracies and paranormal
stuff.

>> John (01:54):
Isn'the greatest. Isn't that the greatest to do?
Man, I love it, I love it.
So what inspired you? Well, let me
back up here. Why don't you tell me Lee about
kind of your first paranormal experience or what
interested you in the paranormal. Well, maybe you're a little
younger, you know, and kind of carried on into your
adult years.

>> Lee (02:14):
So I grew up in our on Long Island. I'll get yelled at
for saying in and as you know out there,
there's Montauk. So I was huge into like what
went on out there in the Montauk project in Camp Hero.
So you know, me and my friends, once we started driving, we would
take Tres out there and try to, you know, see
what we could see. And from there was, you know, exploring

(02:35):
haunted asylums and you know, doing stuff like
that. And eventually the advent of the Internet,
you know it's on 4chan and all the, you know, I'm m a
lurker on Reddit and so I just love deep
diveing mysteries and seriousies.
As far as paranormal experiences, I have
one, I'm tough on myself when it comes to these things

(02:55):
because I don't have a lot of proof. So I was in a
cemetery one time and I was in college, grew
upstate New York and it was me and my Buddies and we're walking out,
you know, doing college to do at night, and we
saw like a plasma ball kind of jump
from tombstone to tombstone.
And I mean, we booked it, so didn. We didn't hang
around, but, ah, that's what I have as far as personal

(03:17):
paranormal experience.

>> John (03:19):
Love it. Love it.

>> Lee (03:20):
U.

>> John (03:21):
let's just really true crime, just really quick. u.
The Long island serial killer.

>> Lee (03:27):
Yes.

>> John (03:27):
Just. You guys are prob. Have you done. I'm sorry, I
haven't viewed all your stuff. Have you done. Course not.

>> Lee (03:33):
I understand. I was on another podcast where we did do
it with my friend who lived on Long island with me. So we did
cover. Yeah, that s
hin his last name.

>> John (03:43):
Yeah. That's crazy. That's. That's.
Again, you do not know your neighbors. Right? you do
not know your cowork workers.

>> Lee (03:50):
No, noe. And that's one of those things I'm sure
only people could relate that have had, like, major things happen in
their towns or their neighborhoods. Like, you start to like, put
things together. Like his house on that block stuck out like
a sore thumb. It was not up to par with the rest
of the houses on that Long island block. And like, you
probably drove past it and we were like, yeah, I wonder who lives in

(04:10):
there.

>> John (04:11):
Yeah, yeah.

>> Lee (04:12):
Long time.

>> John (04:13):
Yeah. And you know, of course, I'm here from
Wisconsin and as you know, we have two of the heavy hitters
and Ed Gee and, you know, Dahmer. And if
you ever want me out on the podcast, I've been on numerous
podcasts. I can tell some true stories about
Ed Gean and Jeffrey
Dahmer, who people were knew him
and my cousin's friend have said this many

(04:35):
times. Almost got killed by him, was almost the victim.
Oh, wow.

>> Lee (04:38):
I'd love. I'd love to hear that story.

>> John (04:40):
Yeah. So when you guys get to that, if you guys want to do thing
on serial killers, please bring me. Bring me in. I love to
share that with you. It's crazy. It's just
weird. And you know, there's been obviously with serial
killers, not to get on that tangent, but it's
like everywhere and anywhere. Although
they do say the Pacific Northwest has

(05:00):
the most like. Okay, I don't
know, but I didn't do the research on it, but okay.

>> Lee (05:06):
Yeah, I don't know. And I think just with the way if you ever,
like, pay attention to the numbers of people who go missing,
I think it's everywhere. I think, a lot of these people just
operate completely under the radar.

>> John (05:17):
Totally under the Radar released the, And
I. Sorry, my spooky friends. I'll get out of this tangent in a
second. The FBI just released a report where
they claim there's anywhere from 25
to 50 active serial killers right
now as we speak, across the United
States.

>> Lee (05:35):
If you didn't want to like, reason to lock your door at night. There
you go.

>> John (05:40):
All right. Look at the neighbor who's just staring at
you, staring at the window coldly at you every
day.

>> Lee (05:48):
Yep.

>> John (05:48):
M.

>> Lee (05:49):
Everyone gets a double look.

>> John (05:50):
All right, I'mnna close those. I'm gonna close those drapes
like those doors. It's crazy though, but
man talk, right? That is. That's
something I haven't done yet. I want to do a feature on that because
that inspired Stranger Things and that
was bizarre because again, you guys cover
conspiracy theories. I cover conspiracy theories.
The main thing about conspiracy theories are you

(06:13):
got to take it with a grain of salt, right? You
can't, because you're justnna. Everything is conspiracy.
Like, oh my God, this plastic cup. You know,
there's something with that. You know, it's something they. How they
made it and you know, it's poison by the
Illuminati and the, you know.

>> Lee (06:30):
But find their way into all of them. The Illuminati finds their way into
every conspiracy.

>> John (06:34):
Yeah, yeah.
There's like five guys in a room and they're.
They're all, you know, dictating how we eat and
sleep and social media
on and on and on and on. And a lot of it's true,
but the fun thing is when it does
come true, like Mantai, you know, or
the subject will be talking about here soon. How does

(06:55):
that. When you guys cover that, you and your, co
host. How do you guys research and cover that so
it doesn't sound like you have a tinfoil hat on and you're
like just f. Nonsense.

>> Lee (07:06):
So we tread carefully. So depending on
the topic, some topics have some more of like a
story form format where we're able to like, tell the story in
a linear fashion. And then we get to the end and we have all our
theories and conjecture. And if there are
skeptics or skeptical views, we do always talk about
them. And we always talk about what's plausible and what's actually

(07:27):
possible. So we always had to like, wrap it up in some sort
of reality. We say in, things. This is all stuff
that we've researched. We're not claiming that any of this stuff is
true. I'm sure you go through a lot of the same stuff. But, yeah, so
we do like to cover again, conspiracy. So we
do have to trearily. And how full we go
into those conspiracy.

>> John (07:47):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Because, like, one thing I
might cover is like mkultra, you know,
that was the mind, bending kind
of CIA trying to get you
get people to be able to remote view and all this
stuff. And they use lsd. And then they
found out it was like, oh, this ain't working.

(08:07):
And everybody's just like, okay, forget it.

>> Lee (08:09):
Let's leaveeah. No one wanted to work anymore.

>> John (08:11):
Yeah. And it just, you know, then they found out, oh, wait a minute. We
can use this drug for medicine. We can use this
drug to help people with depression. We can use this
for, you know, microdosing if people just want to take
a wild ride one night. And then there's things like
Anhuasca and all this stuff.
And it's really interesting to me is
again, like something like that. Actually, it's terrible

(08:33):
what they did. You know, again, you can go, there's a million
podcasts and I might do it. But again, like a
theory like that where it comes true, where people
admit for the Freedom of Information Act. You
read it. How does that make you feel when you guys are
like, my God, that's real. That's actually
happened.

>> Lee (08:50):
Personally, you know, I bring it to the dinner table or the holiday
table, because that's where I'm usually shunned and run out of the house. And
then I come back and say, hey, hey, last year you guys were
yelling at me, now, now what's true. Yes,
it's always a good feeling sometimes, like, you know, it's a good feeling that,
like, you put in that time and that
research and, you know, these are things that we

(09:11):
care about. So whenes, you know, we put our time and
effort into like, connecting the dots and
they're close to what we said. There's
some vindication there. You feel good?

>> John (09:21):
Absolutely.
And let me ask you this. and I'll get on to just a really quick
topic before we get to our main topic. Is there one
favorite conspiracy theory you have?

>> Lee (09:31):
That's a good question. So it's not as
big, and some people have claimed that it's been
solved, but DB Cooper sure is a
very interesting. It's, Consider it
lighthearted compared to some of the other ones.

>> John (09:44):
Absolutely.

>> Lee (09:45):
But if he is who he said he was and he
got away with it, he's the only person to ever do
it, and he did it pretty
smooth.

>> John (09:54):
Yeah. Right. And no one got hurt?
No, no one got hurt. The plane didn't
crash. The stewardesses. Well, they
call him stewardess. Is that time or. Or flight attendants.
like, it was. It was harmless in the
sense that it didn't destroy
lives. It was like, I got my money. Boom. I'm
out. And it was like, oh, okay.

>> Lee (10:16):
Yeah. And the people on the plane had no idea
that it was. Turn around. Yep.
Yeah.

>> John (10:22):
It. And you know, again. So I'll tell
you what I think. You ready? You're probably gonna go. You're wrong,
but I think he died. I think he
came down. He died. Someone like
a logger or a lumberjack, whatever you want to call him,
foundund the money, took it. And then
people thought that guy was

(10:43):
D.B. cooper because, you know, like, maybe so, you know, you put the
money in his. Under his bed or in his mattress.
You know what I mean? And then someone found it and said,
oh, my God, you're D.B. cooper. And he's like,
who? No, what? I mean, that's my
theory. What do you think? What do you think? What do you
think?

>> Lee (11:00):
That's completely plausible, and I think that's part of why I love
this mysteries, because he could have died
on impact, and the money could have been gone to the wind
and no one ever saw it again, or
he could have landed and had some kind of
connection and got away.

>> John (11:16):
Yeah. Yeah.

>> Lee (11:18):
Did. What seems to be impossible for a lot of these people to do is actually
lay low once you get the money, if.

>> John (11:23):
Absolutely. Absolutely. And for, my
younger audience out there and Lee's younger audience out
there, if you're going, who is this guy?
Go look him up. It's crazy story.
Or go listen to the society of strangers and hear what Lee
has to say about it and everything. I'm sure it's
awesome, but remember, back in this time,
there was no die packs. There was no way

(11:46):
to trace that money unless somebody wanted to,
literally. Cause there were, you know, computers and
stuff were like, the size of a freickaking football
stadium. You know, it wasn't like your phone here, where you can
be like, hey, I'll do a bunch of research. Got them kind of
attitude. Or we did something with the magnetic
strips in the money. Blah, blah, blah. No, it's
gone.

>> Lee (12:06):
No, the only thing they could have traced that money by was the
serial numbers, because.

>> John (12:10):
Correct.

>> Lee (12:10):
He took the money. He took consecutive serial
numbers. But, I mean, that's a hard
trace.

>> John (12:17):
Yeah, that, like, that's a john around.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a Lot of work.
And someone eventually would just probably be like,
okay, well you were relying on.

>> Lee (12:27):
Like a cashier at like a a and to like to be
like, I'm suspicious of this $20 bill.

>> John (12:32):
Yeah.

>> Lee (12:32):
They don't care.

>> John (12:33):
Yeah, yeah. And if the guy, yeah, if the guy was smart and he
wasn't like buying Cadillacs and like paying
cash for him and stuff. Yeah. Nobody. Yeah. Like
you said, you go into an AP or whatever grocery
store you have and you're giving 20 bucks for some
groceryies, they're not looking at it. They're a teenager. They can
care lessact. Yeah, yeah.

(12:54):
So other thing in your area of some pretty cool
cryptids, obviously you have the New
Jersey Devil kind of close in
there. Kind of. And that's the most famous one.
There are some other ones obviously in there. do you have a favorite
Cryptid?

>> Lee (13:08):
Favorite all time Cryptid is Mothman.
Motss man is my guy. Locally we have the
swan, like a pig like creature who
is ill fitted in his skin and is crying most of the
time. So he's kind of he's kind of comical. Yeah, look that one up.
If you haven't heard of the swonk look this.

>> John (13:25):
I will.

>> Lee (13:25):
He's fun.

>> John (13:26):
Yeah, I will. I will. He. Does the
cryptid hurt anybody? Just cries.

>> Lee (13:31):
Just cries. Just wee
cries.

>> John (13:34):
I'HEARD that one. I hear that one. That's a good one. I love
that.
So Mothman, really quickly, I don't know if you
know this, but here in the Midwest there's been
numerous sightings in Chicago
and surrounding area. And I interviewed a
woman who lives near Chicago on one
of my podcasts and she said she hasn't seen

(13:56):
it, but she knows some neighbors who have where they were
out like grilling, you know, in the middle, you know,
like not in the middle of the night, but late night grilling. You, know, having some
beers, sitting around the fire pit and just hearing
these wings just whoosh, whoosh. And they're
like, that's not an eagle. Or
that's something big. And u.
Yeah, so we'll see. And you

(14:19):
know, Momland'usually associated with negative stuff, but
there's been numerous sighting. Nothing's happened
around the Chicago O'Hare Airport. No planes have
gone down, nobody's crashed, no r
###beries no killings? No, no.

>> Lee (14:33):
And the whole Silver Bridge thing, he could have
been trying to warn people. Who knows he didn't actually
collapse the bridge himself.
So you know, who knows? Absolutely.

>> John (14:43):
Absolutely.

>> Lee (14:43):
Yeah.

>> John (14:44):
You don't Know leg my, my favorite
crypto is the Beast of Bray Road here in Wisconsin.
It's a werewolf like creature, super weird.
Everyone has stories about him. who lives in that area. Like you
can't throw a rock without hitting somebody. Who would be like,
I've seen this and I've seen that. But no
pictures. No. Well, there was a picture, I take that
back, but it looks like somebody put a

(15:06):
cheesy, really crappy Halloween costume
together and just went running down a small town street.

>> Lee (15:12):
Y seen all of them? Yeah.

>> John (15:15):
Yeah, right.

>> Lee (15:17):
So is that similar to like Dogman? Because do man
is actually newer to me.

>> John (15:21):
Yeah. So Dogman in
Michigan is kind of similar, but Dog
man has been associated with some
attacks. Not lethal, no one's died, just
people who have been in the wrong place the wrong time. When this
creature, Dog man has come out, why Beast of Bray
Roadbe one of the few stories is there are
guys who pick up roadkill. That is their

(15:43):
job. And ah, this guy was doing that and he was picking up
the roadill part of a maintenance crew, grabbed a deer
carcass, threw it in the back of his pickup, driving away. It was
like late at night and all of a sudden hear like boo bo boom
boom. Like somebody jumping in his truck. And he's like, what the
hell? You know? And he looks out at the back
of his truck and there's like this werewolf like

(16:03):
creature who just grabs the carcass and just jumps
out. He's scared, you know,
shitless.

>> Lee (16:09):
Terr.

>> John (16:10):
And he, to this day he just says, you
think I'm lying? Fine. I'm not lying.
Why would I lie? I'm not making money or.

>> Lee (16:18):
Yeah, there's.

>> John (16:18):
I don't want anybody press. I'm just telling you this is what
happened. So I'm like, that's
interesting.
So, yeah, so, you know, in all of ouries there's a
number of different things, you know, which, which's really
interesting. That is so much to talk about.
Right? There's just so much. So
forever. Yeah, you can literally
just keep talking about so many, cryptids and

(16:41):
paranormal and so on and so forth. But
today I'm gonna tell you, Lee, this is a
good one, great one.
What if I told you there was a
secret base in New Mexico?
Been around since, some people say maybe the
40s, 30s, 50s. Nobody

(17:02):
really has an idea of when it's been around. But it
is in New Mexico and it
houses spaceships, lean
spaceships, the terrtrials, alien
technology. And it's. I
don't know why, but if you compare it to Area
51, forget it. This thing blows it
away. And there's been a lot

(17:24):
of strange things associated with
this base and
it is called the Dolce
Air Force Base. And
me and Lee were talking about this offline
and again what's so crazy about this
is it has been there for

(17:45):
years. The funny thing about it is the government, it's
like something out of a Men in Black movie or any
cheesy come comedy kind of alien movie. When they
were building this space before I get into the history,
please le chime in anytime you want more
than welcome to they were using things like
Smith Construction, it would say the trucks and they were

(18:06):
like literally building this thing in the
middle, not in the middle of New Mexico. It's kind of, you
know, obviously away from most of the
population and everything. And they're building this thing right
out in the open and people are like
what are they building? And it's not like a regular
base. Like people in that area know that in New
Mexico, unfortunately the indigenous

(18:29):
population, indigenous population has been kicked
around and kicked out. And that's a whole different podcast.
But anyway, so they just build these bases
all over and they just whatever. Right. But this is
really interesting because they were like covering things
up like construction crews in the area,
they would have to sign non disclosure agreements.

(18:50):
They, you know some, some claim that some of these, this
is where it gets wacky conspiracy. Some of these
construction crews were like fire like they would build
something like home to build something o'build this building right
there. Okay, now you're fired. And they'd be like what, you know,
what's going on. Other times some people said they were even
killed who kind of got in there and everything
and kind of fe a little bit more. And

(19:12):
today I'm going to kind of give you a little bit of a history
like I said. Lee, before I get into it, do you want
to say anything?

>> Lee (19:19):
I mean you hit right on the head with anything out of a sci fi
movie you can think of. It's almost
plus's like what you can think of. Plus more.

>> John (19:27):
Yes.

>> Lee (19:28):
And this is one of those set. It has tentacles,
it goes everywhere. It reaches
all the other conspiracies and things you could think
of.

>> John (19:37):
It's yeah, yeah. And if you ever seen the
movie, Independence Day, the first movie and where
they grab the president and they take him to Area 51
and they take him down to these levels, we'll talk about that a
little bit. And he just. The President's like what?
Like O God, you. There's alien technology
and ships and aliens. Yeah. That's

(19:57):
scratching the surface of this space. So let
me.

>> Lee (20:01):
From the President, it's rumored that that's true that they.
The President's considered a temporary employee so there are
certain things that he's not keyed in on.

>> John (20:09):
It's crazy. I even heard a rumor
on someone else's podcast, a bigger podcast
and than ours put together. But that's okay. They don't
need our help. They said when they were researching this
and talking to people who are there and stuff, they would
hear like clicks on their cell phone. Like we go click,
click, click, click, click, click, click. They'd be like, what? And they look at

(20:30):
their cell phone sometimes it would like come on and then
go off and they'd be like. And then they see something
downloading and then they'd be like what the hell?
And these guys on the Todcast said it was
bizarre. Like they felt they were being followed.
They were saying maybe they were too getting into it because they did
quite a deep dive into it. But it was just weird. I'm

(20:50):
like, okay, so let's talk a little bit about it.
Okay. I kind of give you a little background. We'll
start with. So on the surface. Dolce, New
Mexico. Anybody in New Mexico? If I'm butchering
it, it's Dairyland [e-mail]. just
bring it to me. It's just a small
southwestern town. Go and look and Google nothing
really. Any small town you think of. It doesn't

(21:13):
even have a traffic lightly. And I looked it up.
It doesn't. Yes.

>> Lee (21:17):
Wow. Yeah. So very small.

>> John (21:19):
So. But according to the most
bizarre rumors this little. And it's not a rumor. We'll
get into why this little town is just
a. On the gargantuan
underground facility that is home to
unimaginable experiments
andologies for. This is
funny. This is. I will put the links in there. The gentleman who wrote

(21:41):
this. I did not write this for the tinfoil
hat wearers. There's a whole world beneath
Dolce. A secret high tech one filled
with aliens, alien technology
and other mysteries. According
to conspiracy theories, the Dolce
subterranean basede is a seven

(22:01):
story compound. Think about
that for a second. Seven story beneath
Dolce, New Mexico. The house that houses,
excuse me, human animal hybrids.
Human alien hybrids and
extremely advanced technologies. They
say even there's been the

(22:21):
site of alien
wars. And Lee and I were talking about that.
You know, the usual
it's been called the Roswell of northern New
Mexico. Not for nothing. And so I'm
gonna stop there really quick. So think about
that. And you wantn I don't know if youn toa bring something up.
It's seven stories. There's been a war there

(22:44):
which I'm not gonna get too much into because we could
go on for two or three hours about just a war
and that's something maybe, you know, if you're going to do it,
maybe I'll hop on your podcast and we can talk about it or
yeah, we gott

>> Lee (22:57):
For this month coming up.

>> John (22:58):
Awesome.
So what do you think dlce of all
those things you've heard so far?

>> Lee (23:03):
Le what do I think of it? Yeah, I think I want to
go there. I think it should be number one on my tourist list.
I think that it's plausible
because they always have this way of
redirecting and if this has all
this and Area 51
has anything, they're like, sure, keep paying attention to
Area 51. They put it in all the movies, they put it in all the

(23:26):
books and no one puts anything about this T and this case
apparently has like the holy
grail of it all.

>> John (23:33):
Yes, yes. And the thing about this too
really quickly is, Excuse me. One of the things is
this is super high level stuff.
Like the lower you go, the
more security there is to the point of
lethal security. So rumors are you got to
have like you know, one of those bio things

(23:54):
where you know, they look at your eyes and then you, you
voice scan. They do your badge scam. They
sometimes they've heard, they do a full body scam.
They have basically shoot the kill. All
the security down there is told shoot to kill. Like if you
go down there and let's say you get down there somehow. Let's
say me and Lee get down there somehow. Right?

(24:14):
Yeah. If we screw up one thing like Leah's gum in
his pocket and I have like a pen wrong pen or
something, they'll kill us.

>> Lee (24:22):
Yes. And we'read is more about part
security. Is that so you, you get stripped out naked,
you get weighed in all those things and if you lose
more than three pounds in that
process, like your like red lights go off and now
you're being cavity searched and you know.

>> John (24:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's
crazy. So the first claims of the baseic
existence according to how stuff works and I was
reading about this because they were talking about it was a really interesting
article, believe it or not date all the way back
to the 19. But the
rumors of alien intervention in the area
began to gain traction in the

(25:01):
70s when a former New Mexico State
Police trooper named Gabe Ve Valdez
documented a and explain. You wrote a book about it too. It's
on Amazon. Wrote it unexplained. About documented,
unexplained cattle mutations in the
area, according to the Santa Fe New Mexican
newspaper. In a RA Radio
interview, Valdez said the

(25:23):
evidence that was left there, you know,
predators don't leave gas mask,
glow sticks, radar chaff. They don't leave
that stuff. That is a quote from Valdaz. So he
was, he started out this. And he, was just
a cop, you know, and he saw these mutilation. Like
the farmers would come out and say,
hey, man, you know, something's happened to my cattle.

(25:46):
It's not wolves or coyotes or
whatever youn toa say chupacabra or something.
It's not, you know, it's not Bigfoot, you
know, it's l. Something's weird going on. So
Valde made more wild claims in other interviews,
including sightings of black, silent,
sophisticated spacecraft and the discovery of

(26:06):
a fetus inside a dead cow,
but not a calf fetus. A, quote of
Valdez said it looked like a human, a
monkey in a frague. Boale said the
History Channel to the history channels, UFOs, hunters.
It didn't in. I quote, it didn't have any
bones in the head. It was full, aw,

(26:27):
full of water. And Valdez thought,
what else? The cows were
incubating alien babies.
So. So when you hear this at first, Lee, you kind of think to
yourself, hm, Okay, there's a cop in New
Mexico. He's saying that he's seeing these
aircrafts and everything. And let me back
up, a little quickly here. I'm not gonna get

(26:49):
too deep into the base and all the different levels and stuff. Lee can
cover that and, you know, hopefully I can come out this podcast. If
not, we'll follow up and we'll do something else.
But like we said, all these levels are
done for each individual thing. So, like, the first level is
just general. Like they may have some technology
in there, let's say. I'm just throwing this out here,
this is not true. But let's say they invented the microwave

(27:12):
there because, you know, NASAite invented the
microwave and eventually the microwave
oven, came from there. And then NASA did Velcro
to. But they say a lot of stuff come out of
Dolce that these aliens were basically
giving us technology for.
Well, yes, human abduction. So
that is a theory out there. But this is kind of the general

(27:34):
level. So you might see. See some experimental
aircraft. You might see, like, stealth technology,
for example, supposedly came from Dolce. That is
not. There's no way to validate that anyway.
But if you think about it, like,
yeah, it's like everything in our, technology
kind of has been making a lot of leaps and bounds.
Like, we were just literally, like, put everything in the

(27:56):
oven or cook it over fire. And now we
have microwaveys and Velcro and stealth
technology and radar defeating technology,
and on and on and on and on and on. Right. Where d to
come from? Then you can say, well, just a bunch of smart guys in a
room. They're all working together for the common good. And that's where
it comes from. Okay, you could go with that. But

(28:17):
my feeling is, again, and this is something
that was taken back to, like, different presidents
working, and I always say Eisenhower. I'm not sure if
it was Eisenhower that made the deal with the
aliens back in. What was it?
I'm totally. There was a treaty with that,
and I always goof it up. I apologize to my swigy friends and
Lee. But anyway, basically, the treaty

(28:39):
was, you give us technology, we give
you people, but you only can have so many
people. I don't know whether to believe it or not. So that's
kind of like the first level, and then, like I said,
second levels, a little more technology. Third levels, a
little more technology and some genetic technology. Fourth
level, nobody's really sure, but they're like

(28:59):
alien human hybrids. Like I said, animal
hybrids. Then you get to the fifth, sixth, and seventh
level, where nobody's really sure what's going on.
But those are the deep, like, the
crazy things you can think of is happening
there, including an alien war.
But I believe it's between the Grays and there's

(29:20):
another alien class where there was a
war.

>> Lee (29:23):
Draconian.

>> John (29:25):
Thank you. Thank you.
So what do you think of that, Lee? Do you find that really
interesting, as I do, and what is your thoughts
on it?

>> Lee (29:33):
Yeah, that sixth. I believe it's. The sixth floor is
actually, like, rumored to be called, like, the Nightmare Hall.

>> John (29:39):
All right.

>> Lee (29:40):
Because of, like, some of the experiments that go on down there are
so, like, horrific and crazy in this day
and age. I put nothing past our government.
So, yeah. I mean, do I
believe. And there's rumors that there's more than seven floors that
humans cor. Go to.

>> John (29:56):
Correct. Correct. There's subterranean
caves, tunnel systems that
lead. There's other things, like whether there's these
subterranean tunnel systems that lead God knows
where.

>> Lee (30:07):
That's some to other bases, some to other
civilizations, maybe.

>> John (30:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's just.
And right. Other civilizations. The.
Excuse me. Other things down there that, who
knows? We don't know.

>> Lee (30:22):
No, don't.

>> John (30:23):
That's scary that.

>> Lee (30:25):
You know, one of the biggest things with all the stuff that we all
talk about here is that, like, it all ends up coming down
to, like, we really know nothing. Like, the inside of our
earth is not explored well. Our space is not explored
well, the ocean'not explored well. And we're just all. Everybody's like,
yeah, maybe it's there. But no one knows for sure. So.

>> John (30:42):
Yeah. And you know, again, some of these.
I'm gonna bring up some different quotes here and everything
coming up.
And like I said, Lee, just please step in. So
like I said, Valdez. Valdez. Excuse me.
He, has a book. I believe it's still in print. You can find
it to, read about it. And like I
said, he talks about sophisticated Crraty, talks about all these

(31:03):
different things happening, but was weird about it.
And. And I haven't read the book. I'm gonna get the book just
for fun. He also talks in there how people visit him.
Like the Men in Black came to him, and talked to him
and said, hey, you know, pool it
basically, or this is go goingna happen to you. That's gonna
happen to you. Again, I'm just paraphrasing

(31:23):
here. I want to do a story about this guy because
he's really interesting because nobody really believed him, you
know, and he went through a lot of different things trying to
convince people and, you know, remember, he's a cop.
So cops you believe, don't believe. I mean, that's
your whole thing. Some cops I believe, some cops I don't.
Right. But again, he's not making

(31:44):
money off of this. He's clearing a million bucks. He's
not like some people who. Like the Conjuring House
or the Amityvil Horror where they've made
legitimate money. Now, the book, I. I don't know how
much it is, but whatever. yeah, it's not a big.

>> Lee (31:58):
More like stress and like harass.
Yeah. Comes with any kind of. Yeahit, for sure.

>> John (32:03):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It's coming with
more stress. It's coming with. I don't know if he's married or anything.
I didn't go that far. Deep dive into him. But again,
still, your friends, your family, everyone you go to and you
start telling this to. And it's the 70s,
right, so come on. And you know the other thing
too, where he would hear these silent helicopters and

(32:24):
everything. We have those now, you know, they use
them, they've used them in Desert Storm and the first, second
one, whatever which war we're at, they have
used them. My cousin who was in the military, he was a staff
site, the 82nd Airborne, he told me, you know,
he was in the first, Desert Storm, and he was
there and he, he looked up and he saw this helicopter

(32:44):
going and you know, they're fucking loud. I mean
it's Stephanie all the time here. Yeah, yeah. And
he saw this helicopter in the distance just going across there and he was
like. And then he saw like these like special
spec op guys, special up guys jump out,
grab somebody and jump back in. And he
was like, okay. And it freaked

(33:04):
him out a little bit, but he, yeah,
yeah, he just kept silent because again, he has other things
to worry about keeping his, his, troops alive. So
he doesn't, you know, it was a Solileid helicopter, Great, you
know, fine. but anyway, there
also was Tim Anderson, a former
police officer in Doulce and he claimed to have

(33:25):
seen a UFO in the town in the
late 1990s. So Baldaz
was 70s, a little bit of 80s, but
mostly 70s, a little earlier. So the 90s,
fairly, fairly, you know, recent. And it lit
up according to him, quote, it lit up
the whole valley and just
disappeared into the rock. He

(33:47):
told this to the Santa Fe New Mexican. Santa
Fe New Mexican newspaper, quote, I just rubbed my
eyes. Did I really see that? For good
measure, Anderson also believes. You
gotta love this. Here it comes. Lee Bigfoot
resides in or near the town. Got bring a
Bigfoot and alien.

>> Lee (34:05):
Right, Got him. But it's so interesting that he says it
disappears into the floor and not like shoots
away or just disappear. Yeah, because now we know that there's
those giant like opening doors
in the desert that ships and planes and stuff go
into.

>> John (34:20):
Yeah, yeah, one of the things too.
And this is a story. Yes, from Reddit,
folks. So believe it or not, there's a story I
just wanna read quickly. This guy does not give his name,
it's anonymous, but he claims
he was on the security on the sixth
foot. Wait, what's the nightmare one again? Fifth of the
sixth, six one. Okay, so he

(34:43):
said he was security on the sixth floor. Now
again, believe what you want to believe, but still it's a very interesting
story. This gentleman claims that he
was standing card and you don't know where it's night or
day. Unless you look at your watch, you know, you have no idea.
You're in, you're underground. So anyway, he was just
doing guard duty and everything like that. And he said all of a sudden

(35:03):
the light started flickering and all of a sudden the
light bulbs all exploded and every
obviously extra power like a generator. So that clicked on
the em merency and the alarm started going on and
he was like, okay, what's going on? You know,
someone break in? You know what's happening? And then
his commander came over and told him point
blank, you need to leave right now. We are

(35:26):
shutting this thing down right now. And he was
like, okay. And then, but before they
like slam these huge like, I don't know how
many thick steel inch doors and stuff,
he saw like this electricity just
popping all over the place. And he swears that
he saw like a creature that was

(35:46):
like shooting like electricity out of its hands
like a comic book, almost like an alien
creature he claims. And like people were like
rushing to grab him and he was literally like
shooting these, these beams of like
electricity at them, sending them, you know, like
in a movie, you know, some sci fi movies, sending
them. And then the door slammed. They got,

(36:09):
everyone got out of there and he, to this
day he doesn't know what happened. They
reopened it. He was not put back. He told
in the story, he said, I was not put back
on that guard duty. I was moved to a different level.

>> Lee (36:24):
Well, it lines up with some of the other stuff we hear about
with the war and with Phil Schneider and
all that stuff.

>> John (36:31):
Like ye. Yes. And the
other story again from Reddit, believe it or you want to believe
it. Another security person was though, on the fourth level
and he said, do you know those machines
in a boy now, I'm drawning a blank. I'm
trying to read this from James Cameron
movies. I gotta link this up really quick. What is that

(36:52):
movie called? Starts with an A. Why am I drawing a blank here?

>> Lee (36:54):
Avatar.

>> John (36:55):
Avatar. Thank you. So an
Avatar, what they had was, you know,
those giant walking robots or whatever you want to call them.
Where those guys were in. They had like a big knife and they had the guns,
they got those. And he was saying that he was down
there and he went into a room and
this one had like this big baton on it, you know, like

(37:16):
a shock stick too, you know, like there's electricity
coming out of it. And it was, the guy in there was moving it
all around and he said, and this is what he Said,
I quote, it picked up a Toyota
and ripped it in half with no problem.
I'm like, okay. And he also
claims that they had like simulated

(37:36):
like dummies around of people. Like it was
like, you know, obviously a protest. And this
thing just, just wailing on the people with the
stick, it's knocking him. And he said it scared
the shit out of him. He's like, oh my God. We
actually have though.

>> Lee (37:51):
Yeah, I believe that, I believe that we have like Mex suits
and exoskeletons.

>> John (37:55):
Yeah, yeah. What do you, what do you think about that?

>> Lee (37:58):
Yeah, I mean I've seen the exoskeletons like that
these guys are just going and picking up like 200 pound weights.
Like it's nothing. Yeah, yeah,
I've definitely seen those. And you know they have the jetpackks now. You've seen
the guys on the jet paacks that like the stads and stuff. I don't
doubt that they have something bigger. It's more like a
vehicle. Yeah, yeah.

>> John (38:18):
The other thing I heard about is there's a
movie called Predator with Arnold Schwarzenegger. If you haven't seen
it, you gotta see. It's a great movie There
supposedly there was a general at Dolce
said after seeing that movie with his kid,
they said to the scientist at Dolce, I want
that technology, I want that make that
technology. Could you see that like a soldier.

>> Lee (38:40):
In the battlefield, they're getting close
and if they're not there already, they're right
there. M. Everything that we see out on the
battlefield is not what they're doing underground.
They're 10 steps ahead. Like if you're seeing the Boston Dynamics
thing doing flips, the military's got something, you
know, 10 times better than that.

>> John (38:59):
Yeah. Yeah. Just. It's crazy.

>> Lee (39:02):
You think that that's like just there in the middle
of like who knows what can happen?

>> John (39:07):
Yeah. And you know the funny, the funny thing about it
is in a sense the military is smart. Right.
Because they introduced the stealth
technology. They didn't come out with it like
probably when they. I think they could have came out with it in
the 70s or 60s, you know what I mean?
Kind. It came out a lot earlier because if you want to go, I

(39:27):
do a lot of history and everything. I love history. A lot
of World War II, like for example
the Germans, the Nazis had these,
what the stealth planes looked like they had those.
Not stealth technology but they had these wing
planes. Basically looked like a huge wing and
ah, it's suppose it could carry like, you
know, thousands of bombs or hundreds of bombs or

(39:50):
whatever and just lay waste like
to any country. And they, they had it working,
but it was, it was too clumsy. Or what if you
want to say like the fighter jets's not fighter
jets, but the, other planes that we had and
the British haveav could just shoot it down with little or no
problem. And again, the Nazis did have

(40:10):
rockets. They did have jets, per
se.

>> Lee (40:14):
They had a lot.

>> John (40:14):
So.

>> Lee (40:15):
And we took a lot.

>> John (40:15):
yeah, and we took that technology,
right? So imagine that
with someone who's so advanced, an
alien technology that is so advanced that can
say like, oh, this is a tinker toy. I can take
this tomorrow and make you a weapon that
could destroy half this world or destroy the entire
world. Wow.

>> Lee (40:38):
And could probably read your thoughts. Is there probably.

>> John (40:40):
It probably read your thoughts too. Yes, yes. And that's
the other thing too. Down at these different
levels, like the nightmare level and
whoever levels, they use tele, you know,
telepathy, telekinesis, whatever you want to say. They
use all these different things where they can read our minds, they
can move objects. They can. So when they're down there,

(41:00):
these scientists have to wear like special
protective gear so these aliens don't get
in their heads and start screwing around with them. I
mean, that's a rumor too.

>> Lee (41:11):
But again, we get drips and drabs. So now part of that rumor is
true. We have Psionix with Jacob
Barber, I believe was the new whistleblower's name. Who
that egg video with the EG Craf video. And he's
claiming that we've been remote viewing and we have pionic
assets that can do all that stuff.
Again, this is what happens. Little bits true, little

(41:31):
bit'outlandish and then you got to try to parse together
what's real.

>> John (41:35):
Right? Right. And you know again,
how hard think about you. You go to work,
right? Think about it. You're a guy that works there.
How hard would that they must have to live there
because you can't come home to your wife and kids, right?
And see that alien shooting.

>> Lee (41:52):
No, you would be the dad with like the thousand yard stair everywhere
you went. Because you so mind bent
on like, I just saw the craziest stuff.
How am I supp. Pay attention to softball right now.

>> John (42:05):
There's no supposed to play. How I supposed to play
this beard chun game with the softball team
when I just saw something that could kill everybody
in this town with just a snap of his finger?
Yeah, like, yeah, like my wife comes home and she
works for a. A pharmaceutical company, One of the
largestest pharmaceutical companies in the world. Y and

(42:26):
she'll come home and, she'll be like, I'm so mad. I'm
like, why would happen? Oh, I screw up these samples and
everything like that. But she's not doing samples of
alien DNA or anything. She's doing samples
of certain drugs so, you know, we
don't fall over dead, so we don't have a heart attack or
something. You know what I'm saying? So my wife would be

(42:46):
terrible at that, by the way. I don't need to pick up my wife. My wife be
the worst ###nn be.

>> Lee (42:51):
A tough gig for a lot of people. I mean, I'm not
pick because I'm running to the first person I know and telling
them.

>> John (42:57):
So. Yeah, yeah. And then you.
Yeah, people have come out and talked about
this and everybody's like, okay,
yeah, hm. Whatever.

>> Lee (43:07):
I've been calledd crazy enough. I got nothing to lose. If I
find this stuff out, you guys will be the first to know, I
promise.

>> John (43:13):
And you know too, like, I've never
seen a ufo. I've seen things that I
thought were a ufo. Just not get
off on a tangent, but here we go. Like one time I was driving. I live
in a small town in southwestern Wisconsin. I was driving home
one day and there was this
like, ship and it was just floating. And I'm
like, that's weird. So I pulled over so I wouldn't, like, you

(43:36):
know, someone rams me from behind because I'm looking at this thing, you
know what I mean? so I pulled over and I start
looking at it. And then down the road this other
guy pulls over and he starts looking at
it. And then he comes walking towards me
like we were about, I don't know, 50ft.
And, ah, he come and he goes, you're seeing that too. I'm like,

(43:56):
yeah, what is it? And he goes, that's not a
helicopter. I'm like, yeah, that's not a helicopter. And we were like, is it
an ultralight? And then we're, we both look at each other like
it's 8:00 at night. Why would ultralight be?
That guy's fucking drunk or something if
he's doing that.

>> Lee (44:11):
Absolutely insane.

>> John (44:12):
Yeah, yeah, he's insane. Like something's wrong.
Like, we better call somebody. And it just kind of just
floated and floated across and they were like, maybe
it's a drone. And the guy goes, could be.
And then we were like, okay, well, thanks
Man. All right. And we just went. But to this
day, I don't know what that was. So's to you faut. Right?

(44:33):
Because it's unidentified or UAP and
divide area phenomenon or what. Whatever they call it.
But again, I didn't know if that was. And I came home
and I told my wife, and she. She just kind of shrugged her
shoulders. She said, okay, you know, like, I'm, You.
Right. So it was weird. You know, it was very strange.
Have you ever seen something that just.

>> Lee (44:53):
Kind of like along those lines? Actually, a
couple months ago, when they had the whole drone thing going on. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. I, was driving home, and there's a dark road that's like
a cemetery road, and it's windining. And there was just this. Yeah, like
you said, it was just this thing, this light, and it was kind of just
hovering. And I didn't stop. I
probably should have, but I kept driving and trying to see if it was
moving, and it just didn't seem like it was moving. And

(45:16):
I just kept driving. I got to my house and it was still there.
I came back outside a couple minutes later and I showed my
wife. I'm like, it's still there. M. But
was it one of the drones or was it something else? It's one of those things like.
Yeah, how excited can you get about it? Cause it's
unidentified.

>> John (45:31):
Speaking of the drones, did you guys do a story on it at all or
thinking about doing a story?

>> Lee (45:35):
No, that's a sorece spot for me. I get very frustrated.

>> John (45:38):
Okay.

>> Lee (45:38):
All right. Josh, the co host, likes to rouse me about that whole thing.
He made me talk about it. But again, conspiracy. I
think there is way more going on there than
aliens. And like, there was something else going on.

>> John (45:50):
Yeah, I. I just think. Not to
route you up, buddy, but I. I
think it was somebody
messing with us in the government trying to show,
like, something. And I don't why.
I have no idea. It could
be, but it wasn't

(46:10):
like they were landing and,
like, I don't know. Or like going over
someone's house and, like, hovering for like, five, ten
minutes, and you're like, what the hell, man? What is
going on? Right.

>> Lee (46:23):
It was weird. And there were a lot of weird adjacent,
things. So at the time, there was some kind of
radioactive nuclear asset thing that had gone
missing. They didn't know where it went. So there are
methods to use drones to search for
radioactivity to find those things.

>> John (46:40):
Y.

>> Lee (46:40):
And there was also a test corridor opened up,
like, from Chicago down through like
Jersey into the Atlantic to
test like military aircraft. So it's like that's
right on the line. If they did lose like at all.
There's too many things to make it like something
mundane that they're just trying not to talk about.

>> John (46:59):
Yeah. Versus yeah, yeah, right.
Yeah. I don't think, I don't think it has anything to do
with you know, aliens or whatever.
So one of the last things
and again we could do a whole thing on this
and I think Lee and his team will do that and
I'd love to hear it or love to be on the podcast.

>> Lee (47:18):
think can maybe we a two parter and have you on for one of them.

>> John (47:21):
Yeah, love that, love that.
So the colorful claims of the paranormal have come
from many different times and people in
Dolce and like I said, never mind all that cattle
stuff. Philip Snyder, a
former explosive engineer applied by
employed by the US government, introduced the idea
of Dolce as a site of a

(47:43):
brutal human alien
war. Schneider, who had high
level security clearance, claimed that he
helped construct a sacred underground
base in DLCE in 1979.
There he says he witnessed a battle with the
subterranean alien that left
60 humans dead. The alien

(48:05):
war wages on to this
day. Snyder tells the Epic Times.
Another key and I'll have you speak on this a little bit.
Another key player in the Dolce base conspiracy. The
is a name a man named Paul Bene
Benefit. Bene Benefits, who earned a PhD
in physics, became
a Vince P. Catal.

(48:27):
Mutations around the area, were
the result of extraterrestrial
intervention. According to how stuff
works. He then allegedly
began picking up intercepted
electronic signals near Dolce, a
town too small to
receive messages. Benefits

(48:49):
theorized that these signals were coming from
underground and going toward a
target high in the sky
by the east. He was actively spreading
the rumors of the underground alien facility
in Dolce, New Mexico.
So let's go back to Schneider
and his claim of the war. What do you think

(49:11):
of that? Without getting too deep into it, without stealing
your of thunder.

>> Lee (49:15):
It's a wonderful story. It's a. Yes,
fascinating story. If you look a little deeper into Phil
Schneider, he's got a sketchy past and some of those things
are a little bit sketchy. Again, did he see
something not so dramatic and just thought he needed to
make it that dramatic to have people listen to him? Did he have some kind
of pt Again these books are wide
openuse. Yeah, like you said, 60

(49:38):
humans died down there and he
lost fingers.
And like got shot in the chest with, like, a laser
beam. It's a crazy story.

>> John (49:49):
Yeah. Yes. And that's something
like, we talked about what we'd like to do, and
I didn't put it in here because that's another.
Oh, man, that's another hour, like I said. And there's some
other things. I'll probably revisit this later down the
road. But today, here's the thing about
it. It still is, like, shrouded in mystery.

(50:09):
Like, people don't bring it up, like Area 51.
One of the reasons they, well,
laughed, and I don't think they laughed. Okay, but
that's conspiracy theory number one is they did
a lot of testing of nuclear weapons,
atomic weapons and weapons. Now all
the radiation is coming
to the top, so it's basically going up the

(50:32):
levels and coming to being lethal. So
they had to leave. That is one conspiracy theory.
The other conspiracy theory is basically
like, what I would say, like a magic act, Right.
Look over here. And then my other hand is doing this,
right? So, you know, there was
back. I remember. I think it was
like2010 or whatever. They were

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like, raid area 51. And you could go
on and sign this thing and run over
ye. I think they got like, 10 guys or something. I
don't know what it is.

>> Lee (51:04):
No one showed up.

>> John (51:06):
But anyway, you know, everyone want to check this out.
And that was the number one base because that's what
was with Roswell and some other incidents where they had
the alien crap. Bo. I always want to call him Lazarus, so
that's not his name. Bizar. Thank you.
He was an engineer there. He came forward, you know,
they're using all this anti graving tec. Anti

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gravity technology, all this other technology.
This is what it looks like. And now,
obviously, the military has come out and
said, yep, there it is. We got
it. And here's the funny thing for pro. Have
you comment on this? Lee is
what makes me laugh. And I've had

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other people on my show who. One woman
who claims she was abducted, who doesn't claim she knows she was
abducted. a couple other people who have seen
aliens, have dealt with aliens who considered them
friends, have said, you know,
they're here to either help us
or to hurt them. But mostly what I'm hearing is

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help, but in the sense of
you. How do I put this? So I. When m. My
kids were little, right? My kids would take cookies, and I'd
be like, okay, you had enough cookies. Stop with the cookies.
You know, you get a tummy Ache. Stop it. Continue to do it.
Right. So eventually I had to give them a time out
or, you know, move the cookies somewhere. Right. That's why I

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kind of think. I know this sounds really silly and very
basic in elementary. That's what I think the aliens thing
of us as humans.

>> Lee (52:34):
I. I don't think it sounds silly. It's almost like, like a zoo
theory. Like we're just important enough
to keep alive and make sure we don't destroy ourselves.
But like, on a whole, they don't really want to be.
But that's not that crazy. I think that's
plausible because.

>> John (52:49):
I agree, I agree.

>> Lee (52:51):
If they were malicious, I think we'd already be
gone.

>> John (52:55):
Oh, absolutely.

>> Lee (52:56):
I think if there was a. Wherever they come
from underneath or interdimensional or outer states,
if they can travel through those things, we
wouldn't even exist anymore if they wanted.

>> John (53:07):
Absolutely, absolutely. And think of it
like I'm a big nerd. So he calls my nerd
stuff. Think about like X Men, like
mutants. Right. They could literally
like, think like Wolverine is one of my favorite.
Wolverine could literally go into a
room and kill everybody within five minutes.
Nothing you could do about it. Absolutely nothing. Then if you get

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to a higher level, like Superman, Superman
could just come down and just be like, okay, your
dad, you're.

>> Lee (53:36):
You get to like Professor X. And he just thinks about it.
Everyone.

>> John (53:40):
Yeah. Right. So to our
point again, I don't think we should be too worried.
We should be concerned, but not too worried. But these aliens
are here. Destroys us because they could just do it. What are we waiting. What
are they waiting for? Like just. Right.

>> Lee (53:54):
Just do it again. You could go on a whole nother episode.
We have an episode probably coming into this. Theories of what
they are, what they want.

>> John (54:02):
Yeah's.

>> Lee (54:04):
There's a trackable pattern that I
like to put together and think about that makes a lot of sense in
my head. That combines like the
humanities, religion and the timelines and all
our history and missing knowledge. And
then you start to piece these things together and you get like, a little bit better of a
picture that I feel comfortable, like leaning on a little

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bit.

>> John (54:26):
No, yeah, exactly, exactly. And
Bigfoot in Aliens. You know, people have said they've seen it
close to UFOs and the pyramids, and now recently they
have found some type of city underneath the
pyramid.

>> Lee (54:38):
Interesting. I haven't even had time to like, dive into
that yet.

>> John (54:41):
I'd love to dive into that. And it's funny because
as the world, unfortunately, whether you
Believe in global warming or not, I'm not going
toa get into that ipiracy, theory, not
some of it is true. I believe in it because you see
the eroding. Okay, here's the problem.
Let's say the aliens are in anarctic.

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Okay. There's a theory, there's hollow earth theory, there's all
these different theies. Their environment is changing right
now to a point where they're like, oh crap, we're
going to be out like, you know now with the
oceans too. You can say, well, John, if they're deep in
the oceans, you know, hey, you know. But
however, now again with some of the
environment catastrophes we have, it's starting

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to go down to deeper levels of the
ocean. So imagine you're an alien and all
of a sudden all this pollution or whatever starts coming down
at you and you're like, whoa, wait a
minute, how.

>> Lee (55:37):
We gonna get past intervened somehow?

>> John (55:39):
Yeah, yeah, right. So, right. So it deals with
that. The other funny thing I find hilarious
is and I told this other my podcast Guast
is when we were told, yeah, there's aliens and here the
alien ships. This is what people did. Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. All right.

>> Lee (55:56):
And I think that's by design. I really think
that's, that's the brilliance of our
brainwashing.

>> John (56:02):
Yes.

>> Lee (56:02):
That they, they've been plugging it
for decades. Like movies, all these things.
No one. And then, you know, they do it with the news cycle. The
next minute like there's a giant actual
important news story and the next minute it s done
because there's something else.

>> John (56:19):
Yeah. It just keeps coming, wave after wave
after, and after a while you're just.
Okay, yeah, all right.

>> Lee (56:26):
You take it all in. We're not meant to. You're not as a person, you're not meant to
know global news.

>> John (56:30):
Yeah. No. And you know, I don't follow the
news because I want to be happy and I.
My wife does it and my wife will be like,
oh my God, did you hear this? And I'm like, stop,
honey, just stop.

>> Lee (56:44):
It's funny that you say that, because my argument is that
that stuff has as much validity as the stuff that we're
talking about. Like she can do as much about
politics and all that stuff as we can do about this. Like she
could go vote one day every four years or in
her local election. Other than that, you could talk about all you want.
They're gonna do what they're gonna do and whatever's gonna happen isnna happen and

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we're here for the ride.

>> John (57:05):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Yeah.
And you know, the other thing with Dolce, you know, again, just scratching
the surface here is, you know, something.
Something probably has escaped,
right? Something probably has gotten out of there.
What that is, I don't know. Right. So
going back to like, you know, Stranger Things on

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Netflix, you know, ah, mant talk where, you
know, 12, I believe 12 was the
characters. Yeah, 11. Excuse me. Thank you. You know,
again, got out, right. And then everybody's
like, what is this? You know, and.
But I don't think, Let me, How do I say this? Like,
we have ring cameras, we have cameras on our phone,
we have security cameras. We have cameras in

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our freickaking cars. Cameras, cameras, cameras,
camera. If something got out
and was something to that effect
where this young girl is like bending metal
and like lifting cards and u. you knowah there's that
fake crap on YouTube where we know it's fake because you
can kind of. Oh, come on guys, use a better program

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if you'renna fake it, you know. I mean. No,
but you see what I'm saying? Like what is your theory of
that? do you think something has escaped from Dolce
and if so, do you think they caught it right away or do
you think it's out and just among us,
whatever that might be.

>> Lee (58:24):
I hate to say this after what we just went through
globally, but I think if something got out, it's like a
virus or something that's so simp.

>> John (58:31):
I agree.

>> Lee (58:32):
We wouldn't be able to like do anything about or see
it.

>> John (58:35):
I agree.

>> Lee (58:35):
As far as like a creature. No, not like
by accident. I think if they were go goingna release something,
they, it'd be a test and they'd know what they were doing and it'd
be extremely controlled and it'be taken out
immediately if it got out of wherever they wanted to do.

>> John (58:49):
I agree, I agree, I agree. So
thank you so much Lee. This was
awesomel Like I said, we just scratched the
surface on this and you know, we talked, we can talk about it
more on your podcast and what you're gonna be putting out.
If you could tell why we wrap up here. If you could tell my spooky
friends what's coming on and u you know, what you guys
working on?

>> Lee (59:09):
So we're going into April, which is going to be our
all aliens all April month.

>> John (59:14):
Nice.

>> Lee (59:14):
So we're covering, actually we'll be covering this
adultce base and we just did our episode on Betty and
Barney Hill abduction. We have
the aerial schoolool incident.
On the list to do. And a few other other
close contact and abduction cases. So that's pretty much
us through April and then we'll see what comes after that.

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We'll probably go back to our cryptids and paranormal
world after that.

>> John (59:38):
I love it. I love it. Thank you again
so much, Lee. This was awesome.

>> Lee (59:43):
Thank you. I had a great time. This was fun.

>> John (59:46):
Yeah, it's so much fun.
Again, I don't want a job there, but I am
like Lee, I would like to go and see how close I
could get without I don't want to have somebody putting a gun
in front of my face and say leave
do I do want.

>> Lee (01:00:02):
To see what's there though. I can. If anyone's listening that could
get me there.

>> John (01:00:05):
There you go. This guy mean
get me a ticket, you know. Will you go on a
bus? Let me ask you that.

>> Lee (01:00:14):
yeah. If it's not just
me on the bus. Yeah. Cause then's got a whole nother
vibe. Was just me driving through the desert on the bus. I don't know
how feel.

>> John (01:00:23):
And just to make clear, B doesn't
want to go with a bag over his head and be cuffed and
thrown in the back of a van. Right, Lee, you. You know
what?

>> Lee (01:00:32):
I want to go voluntarily
and I want to be able to leave when I.

>> John (01:00:38):
Let's make that clear folks, for everyone
listening. He wants to go
voluntarily.
All right, well thank you so much, Lee. This is
awesome. Please go check out
this the secret society of strangers.
Those guys are Great. They on YouTube. Where are you guys? Where else can
we find you guys?

>> Lee (01:00:59):
Everywhere. Anywhere. You listen to podcasts, Spotify, Apple,
we're on Instagram, we're on
TikTok. We're on all the things.

>> John (01:01:06):
Awesome. All right, again, thank you so much. I look
forward to. Like I said, give me a call or
touch.

>> Lee (01:01:12):
Absolutely. Ye.

>> John (01:01:13):
Yeah, we can get on your podcast. I'd love to talk more about
this defly. Thanks Lee. Stay spooky
buddy. Talk latere.