The Demon House w/Guests The Unknown Project

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>> John (00:15):
Hello, my spooky friends. This is John.
And welcome to another episode of,
Dairyland Frights, the paranormal
podcast that covers everything stooky,
mysterious and creepy in the
Midwest and beyond.
Tonight, or I should say today,
I have Mary and Josh from the

(00:37):
unknown project on. Welcome.

>> Mary (00:40):
Thank you.

>> Josh (00:40):
Thanks for having us.

>> John (00:49):
It is a pleasure. Because I love
herod married couples on and I love
having paranormal investigators on because it's the best
of both worlds because obviously you go
home with it. Some of my paranormal investigators don't
go home with it. Obviously they go on to
their different homes and stuff. But you guys, if you

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have a good or maybe a bad or
maybe even a boring investigation, you're kind
of like, right. You're driving home and you're kind of talking about it,
right? That. Okay. Or maybe not.
So let's get right into a. Shall
we? What? And announced to Mary or
Josh, whatever, who wouldever like to start what
has been your favorite

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investigation so far?

>> Josh (01:33):
It has to be Trans Allegheny Lunatic
Asylum.

>> John (01:36):
Ooh, that's a good one.

>> Josh (01:38):
If it's possible. Every time we visit,
the, experiences and evidence that we
capture is greater than the previous
trip. We are, visiting Waverly
Hills Sanatorium here in May, so we're
hoping that we might have found a place to give it a run for
its money, so to speak.

>> John (01:56):
Nice. So what makes it, you
know, I've heard of it and I've heard other paranormal investigators talk
about it. What do you think is, like, what makes
it, like, a great place for you guys to investigate every
time?

>> Josh (02:08):
I honestly believe it has a mix of
every type of haunting and experience you
can have in any other location all rolled
into 1m.

>> John (02:20):
And it's ye.

>> Josh (02:21):
The, second largest stone building in the
world next to the Kremlin. So we feel like it's almost
a paranormal tape recorder.

>> Mary (02:29):
Limestoneep.

>> John (02:30):
Wow. I didn't. I didn't know that. Hey, that.
That's something I've never heard of. And you just mentioned
limestone. So tell my spooky friends
who may not know. Why is limestone such a
great conductor of paranormal energy?

>> Josh (02:44):
Well, limestone has a high level of quartz in
it as well. And it's
basically all the ways that we in today's
society record information and save information
is in the walls of this building. So
I believe it amps up the residual type
haunt and energy of all the bad
experiences that were, happened there over the years.

>> John (03:07):
Yeah, absolutely. That and
water. So I did a podcast
on the town of Alton, Illinois, an
episode. Excuse me. And they're right
underneath a whole
ton of limestone and a rushing.
Like I, want't see waterfall, but it's a stream
and it's just like the energy just goes right

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into that town and just keeps it there. And that's just
fascinating to me.

>> Mary (03:34):
Right back at several places that we've
been to. And like, the most active
places for us had running water. So we
definitely believe that as well.

>> John (03:44):
Yeah.
So, Mary, here's a question for you. When you go in these
place places, and I'm not picking on
you, and this is all my female investigators, this
happens a lot. do you
feel, that you are.
I don't want to see marked, but
like, you know, a lot of these places,
unfortunately, they abused women more

(04:06):
than men. do you feel like when you go into
there, you getting your hair pulled? Does anything happen like that,
push, shoved, definitely.

>> Mary (04:14):
So it is always mean that something happens to.
I've had my hair pulled. I've been
scratched. And I must say, being a woman,
as a paranormal investigator, the most
intimidating places for me as a woman are
prisons.

>> John (04:29):
Yes, for sure.

>> Mary (04:30):
Like out of anywhere. And I don't know if it is because
I'm a woman for that reason, but
definitely, yeah.

>> John (04:38):
Yeah, that is absolutely. I
love that. Well, not love that because I know it's bad to have
you, but it's fun. Fascinating to me because
that's what happens. Right. And
again, do you feel
that sometimes you've had
to, like, leave a place? Mary, like you just said,

(04:58):
hey, gosh, honey. Well, sweetie, whatever got
of. I got. I gotta go. We gotta leave.

>> Mary (05:03):
So we don't ever leave, per se. But
whenever I'm. It's too much for me, or I
get scratched or I feel like attacked or a
certain way, I leave the area, the
building, the room, whatever, like, he
usually escorts me out and then he goes back in.

>> John (05:21):
Right. And do you guys, some paranormal
investigators, come back and. And with
all respect, say, hey, we don't appreciate
this, you know, if you want us to leave, we will
leave. But, you know, please stop
whatever colulling, hair, scratches, whatever it is he. You gu. Do you
guys do that or what do you guys do?

>> Mary (05:39):
So I do. I say, please don't do that to me. If you want
to communicate, we have several pieces of
equipment here for you to communicate with us. But please don't
touch me. And then I know when Josh
goes back in alone, like you
usually.

>> Josh (05:54):
I usually tell them about themselves and,
challenge them to do it to me.

>> Mary (05:59):
You'd rather than do it to you than me.

>> John (06:01):
Yeah. Ah, yeah. So, Josh, is that a thing where
you go and you'be like, hey, man, Like. Like you, Like
would. Like if you were at a bar and somebody was, like,
hitting. Hitting on Mary or pushing her, you'renna
stand up and be like, hey, man, knock it off. All right.
there's gonna be trouble. But do you say something like that, or do you say,
hey, look, it's me. Come at me. I can

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take it. Or how do you handle that?

>> Josh (06:23):
I say, come at me. He m does, you know, I
can take it. Give me your best shot. why are you picking
on a female? Why don't you pick on me?

>> John (06:32):
Yeah. Yeah.

>> Josh (06:33):
And I haven't had any takers as of yet.

>> John (06:36):
Yeah. Yeah. Love. I love it. It's. It's to.
It's a weird thing because I talked to some female
investigators, and they're like, all right, you
know, this has to end. Like. Like you're almost
scolding a child. You know what I mean? Like, stop
it. You know what I mean? To that effect.
But in it, what's really weird that people

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don't remember, these were people just like you and
me right now in a prison. It's
so weird, because you have prisons, as you know, you've gone
into, where there's been some, you know, really badasses,
you know what I mean? Some real murders, rapists,
on and on. But there's been some people in that prison,
as we know, wrongly convicted. And that's

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even worse, right? Because you're like, I am not supposed
to be here. Have you ever had a
spirit reach out to you, kind of like, I'm not supposed
to be here kind of attitude and do anything
like that?

>> Josh (07:29):
I mean, we've been to Moundsville
and Ohio State Reformatory.
And I love that old Cambria, County, jail.
And I can't recall one saying
I was wrongly convicted.

>> John (07:43):
Interesting.

>> Mary (07:43):
Even, like, anywhere we've been, I don't think we've ever had
any spirit. Like, why am I here?
Anything like that. No, and I wish we did, to be honest with
you.

>> John (07:52):
Right.

>> Josh (07:52):
Be a welcome change.

>> Mary (07:53):
It would.

>> Josh (07:54):
We've had a very interactive spirit at
Moundsville that was a heck of an artist.

>> Mary (08:00):
Yes.

>> John (08:01):
And what do you mean by that?

>> Josh (08:02):
There was a. We were down in the sugar
shack of, Moundsville Penitentiary, and I
noticed all the others, you know, on
every wall, you know, graffiti, as some may call
it. But it was a, you know, it took
somebody of some decent skill to, you know,
articulate what they did on the wall and through a
spirit box session, I complimented them

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and I immediately got a thank you.

>> John (08:27):
###Eah yeah.
Have either one of you'gotten really
emotional during one and Mary, I'm not
picking on you. But you know what? Again, have you
ever like, just started crying and you're like,
what is going on? Why I, you know, this
emotional.

>> Mary (08:43):
Never experienced that, thankfully. Because I've like,
heard that happen to people where they just like, start crying and
they don't know why they're crying. I did though, lose
time before.

>> John (08:54):
Okay.

>> Mary (08:54):
What happened, that is a whole different thing. And
it freaks me out, to be honest with you.

>> John (08:59):
Yeah. So losing time, meaning you are
where.

>> Mary (09:02):
You were in a
trans Allegheny lunatic asylum when this
happened? Of course, I. This was way
back when we first started, so I didn't leave his side.
Like, I was right always with him.
Okay. Especially at Tala. Like, it's one of
the most intimidating places to me, to be honest.

>> John (09:22):
Yeah.

>> Mary (09:23):
I don't remember this until I was
like, yelling for him, where are you? I was off on my
own and I don't even remember leaving him
or anything.

>> Josh (09:33):
Yeah. I turned around and she was nowhere to be seen, which
stunned me completely.

>> John (09:38):
Yeah. Right. Where did you wind up? Do you
remember? Like, did you wind up in the. A certain
room?

>> Mary (09:44):
It was near the kitchen area. It was
u. the med building. Like, I think it's the second
floor and like the kitchen area. That's where
I was.

>> John (09:53):
Yep. Yeah. Wow. That's really
interesting.

>> Mary (09:57):
Yeah. I don't ever to happen again.

>> John (10:00):
Absolutelyus. I've heard of people. Some of my
paranormal investigators have wound up
and like, were the places where they did the
lobotomies or did the like the electric
shock or did. Well, basically
waterboarding for. They caught back then.
Right. And they wound up there like laying
down on. On a like an operating table

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and just laying there. And then the other investigator coming in and be
like, what are you doing? And they're like, my God, what am
I. I don't know why I'm here. Why don't you know,
like, damn, that's scary.

>> Mary (10:31):
Yeah, I'm glad that didn happen.

>> John (10:34):
Yeah.

>> Mary (10:35):
Because that. That is scary. It's like, what are you doing
here? Yeah.

>> John (10:39):
Speaking of scary, what is
your scariest like,
event or you're kind of mentioned, you
know, Transania and stuff like that. But like, what's the
scari thing that happened to you? separately
and together as a couple?

>> Josh (10:54):
For me, it was her losing time and wonndering
off, you know, there's not
much I can do if she's out on her
own and turn around and there to be,
you know, she's nowhere to be found. Scared me to death, to be
honest.

>> Mary (11:09):
Yeah, for me, honestly, that
occurrence and then it was a different time.
We've been a trans out any numerous times. Like that's like our
place. Like we always are looking for a reason. Go
back. I was scratched like on the top of
my head right here. And that's the first time
I was ever scratched. So you know when you see on
tv, they're like, oh my God, it burns.

>> John (11:31):
Yeah, yeaheah.

>> Mary (11:32):
It burned so bad. It was then
that I realized that that's they're not
dramatizing it. Like it felt like
fire. It was so painful. That
scared me.

>> John (11:44):
Wow. Yeah, that's scared me too.

>> Mary (11:46):
Yeah.

>> John (11:47):
Now I have to ask a fun question after a scary
question is since I ask this to married couples all
the time, you argue. We all
argue. I'm married. You gotta argue.
No, honey, put that back. What are you doing? Give me
that thing. Right. Have you ever argued and
catch caught like an EVP or something of
somebody saying like will you guys shut up? Anything like that?

>> Mary (12:10):
No, I wish we did.

>> Josh (12:11):
I would have loved that.

>> Mary (12:13):
That would be great. Like, would you guys just stop?

>> John (12:16):
Yeah, right, right. Nobody, by the
way, Mary and Josh. Nobody has said that. And I'm
waiting for my next married couple to be like, yep.
Oh, that'd be awesome.

>> Mary (12:26):
Because happen we'll send it to you.

>> John (12:29):
Yeah.

>> Josh (12:29):
You'll be the first person to get that evidence.

>> John (12:31):
I love that. Thank you so much. Because you,
you think they would, right? Because again, they're normal people. And if you guys
are like, where're the batteries? I brought the batteries. What are you
talking about? They're in the car. You go get I.
Right. God, shut up.

>> Mary (12:45):
Yeah.

>> Josh (12:49):
O.

>> Mary (12:49):
That's funny.

>> John (12:51):
Yeah, right? You think it's just normalus. You know,
I've been around married couples before, but I've told them, you
know, obviously they're not ghosts, but. Shut
up. Yeah, you know, God figured out. Guys,
come on.
so one of the things I want to ask too is
do you guys help residential? Do you ever
have people coming you from like houses?

(13:13):
Hey, I know you guys do this. Please help me.
There's. There's a spirit in this house and it's whatever.

>> Mary (13:18):
We've never, did that. We were going to.
We had one person reached out to us, but her
story kept changing and it felt
really Weird. And I was like, I don't even feel
comfortable with it. And Josh agreed.

>> Josh (13:32):
Yeah, there was ah, every time we spoke the story
changed a little bit. It made me wonder about the
person's sanity more than it did about the
spirit world.

>> Mary (13:42):
Yeah, I think we would if it was like a friend,
like a close friend or a family member if they asked us
to. But as for like strangers
reaching out. No.

>> Josh (13:52):
Yeah, we've had the one person inquire
from the UK and a local
bar, restaurant actually had some
experiences and reached out to us about trying to
answer. They're not scared of what's there
per se, but they want to make sure that
I guess they're not losing it or they're not seeing,
you know, their eyes are playing Trixs on them or whatnot. What

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this person had in the UK was
they sent us videos and stills of
some very, very interesting things. Things that
I haven't seen before.

>> John (14:25):
Yeah, like spirits. What?

>> Mary (14:27):
I don't know what it is, honestly. And because like they
have different beliefs over theres. Obviously it's much older
over there.

>> John (14:34):
Yes.

>> Mary (14:35):
They're, you know, they believe in so much
more. And I mean I'm. Who am I to say it's not real?
Because like it's not our. My gosh, what's the word?

>> Josh (14:43):
It's not in our belief system.

>> Mary (14:45):
Yeah. It's on our history, anything like that. But it
just, I don't know what it was, but it was very
small.

>> Josh (14:51):
It changed shapes and crawled up the wall and
across the ceilinge which was very. And
either this person was a master with
a, you know, a doctoring up film, or
they legitimately had something that we've never seen.

>> John (15:05):
Wow.

>> Mary (15:06):
We're not in the UK so we can't, you know,
ah, unfortunately.

>> John (15:10):
I would love to, but yeah, I
just. I've interviewed people from the UK
and they have a real funny way of looking
at things. Like one of the things they said if your pub is
not haunted, it's not. You shouldn't even
go to it. Like that's how they view it. Like
literally everything. The pub down the

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street, like your local bar, wherever you guys live
and in England and you. That's haund. I mean you just go in and
your beer glass moves and everybody's like,
it's normal. Yeah. It's just weird.
And you know, compared to our country,
you know, they have furniture in their homes that are
older than us. the entire country, the United
States and They've seen nothing. But,

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you know, like, the guy I was talking to, he says, oh, yeah, I go to
work and. And right across where I work is
where they used to hang people. Like, that's
what they hung. And he says occasionally he goes, I
haven't felt something. But occasionally during
weird events, like a big thunderstorm or
something, he says he feels weird. He goes

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like he feels like there's something
watching him or looking at him. And.
Yeah, right. I just think that's absolutely fascinating with
that.

>> Mary (16:22):
Yeah.

>> John (16:24):
Again, everything's different. Have you guys ever
speaking the same with residentials again? I know that's
really hard, Right. Because you don't
know if someone has, like, you were talking about. The
woman's story kept changing. But it's
really hard for people to understand,
like, how your place is haunted. Right. Do you

(16:45):
have maybe something to tell my spooky
friends to, like, say, hey, guys,
this is where you might want to reach out to
somebody and get investigated?

>> Josh (16:56):
Well, I mean, honestly, if you are
sure that you didn't do this to yourself and you wake up
with some sort of scratches or marks, you know,
you might want to, you know, get like, a local.
Or you could get a fairly inexpensive,
CCTV wireless setup and
just have it focus on you when you're asleep

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or when you're not at home. We've, seen some
interesting, things captured to places where people
were not at home.

>> Mary (17:23):
Yeah. On their home security. You know, everybody nowadays has, like,
a little camera r. Yeah,
exactly. So they. But they really feel
like they have something in their house. They could always put a
digital recorder out, something like that.

>> John (17:37):
Yeah.

>> Mary (17:37):
And then if they get something, then go look
for a group to help them.

>> John (17:41):
Yeah. And two things I can say from my personal u.
standpoint that you guys will probably totally agree with
is, number one, do not provoke it. Do not, like,
yell. Do not, like, hey, get the F
out of here. You know, whatever, or play with a
Ouija board. That is my number one thing
I tell people, don't do that. And people will

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be like, I's just a toy, and I've done it before. And I'm like,
sorry.

>> Mary (18:06):
Everything I've experienced, I
am totally against them. Totally.
But then I know some people use them. They
compare it to a spirit box. Like, that's their belief
of them. And I'm like.
And I have heard that that spirit box me a portal if you
have it on for so long. So, like, we never have a spirit box
on for too long because of that. I just

(18:27):
Personally won't do Ouija board. No, not doing it.
I'm not trying to open any doors.

>> John (18:32):
Yeah. I don't know why. Why, why you would do that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And again,
you. Part of it too is I've spoke
to, paranormal investigators who have like
a medium who have, a therapist on
their team and stuff. And I think that's really
hard because when they go in
to investigate and they see the person as some type of a

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mental challenge or disability and they've been
seeing these things, I don't know, residential, I
think, is a tough, tough gig. Because,
you know, it. Same business. Right? Right.
Yeah. Because some people are superstitious. If you
told me my business was haunted, I'd be like, this is
awesome. But other people, other people

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would be like, I'm working from home. You know, I am
not coming in. Forget you guys.
Yeah. And you know, I've had par. Know1best kids who have done
businesses too, and they've come in, they said, yes, you have a spirit.
It's harmless. If you want to. We
know, priest and we know some other people who come in
here and bless your business and, you

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know, go from there. But it's harmless. Probably just gonna
just have your paper clips missing and someone
pushing your chairs around. Okay. I mean,
you know, what do you want to do? You want to make it worse or you just want to
get, you know, like I said, someone taking your coffee cup and
putting it in the break room instead of on your desk? I mean,
like, Right.

>> Mary (19:54):
I mean, just coexist.

>> John (19:55):
Yeah, Right. Just coexists. And I think that's a lot too,
from haunted houses that I've spoke to people
who live in them still. They keep telling me they go,
john, it's not like the Amityville horror. They're not
flies and demons. It's just annoying.
It's just the cupboards open at three in the morning and
they shut and my door creaks open and

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I can kind of feel a presence. And it's just, you
know, and I just laugh at that. I just think it's
funny. Like, how can you coexist? But some people
do, right? U. you guys, have you guys
ever. When you've gone to these places, have you ever
brought something back or do you have something that
you know? No, nothing like that.

>> Mary (20:35):
No. So I don't. That is
like one fear of mine. So when we leave a place,
we always say goodbye, you must stay here.
We pray. And then when we get home, like we
stage every so often Just in case. Because like, energy,
you can't destroy energy. So we stage
every so often just in case there's any like,
energy on us from these places. Just because

(20:57):
there's so much history, so many people like
l. Right beyond the dead that go, to these places that we go
to. And we just don't want that like, energy
hanging around.

>> Josh (21:07):
I absolutely thank them for having us.
With their permission, we would like to return.

>> John (21:13):
Yep, absolutely. Absolutely. I love that. And
that's what professionals do because you. You don't
want anything brought home. And I've. Some
of my paranormal investigators have. They've brought
little boys and girls home with them. They've brought people
with them and they. You told them
to leave, you know, go back to wherever

(21:33):
or, you know, if you have someone maybe to
a certain degree that can send them back to
the light or whatever you want to call it, I'm sure do that.
Right?

>> Mary (21:43):
Yeah. Like I've known people that it's happened to and I'm like, oh,
that's like the biggest fear of mine. Like, I love
investigating it, but I don't want it in our home.
Don't.

>> John (21:53):
Yeah, neither do I. No. Thank
you.
So have you guys ever come back from an
investigation where you thought was like really boring, like
man, nothing happened. And then you Listen to your
EVPs, listen to your recorders, watch your film. You
like, whoa, this is crazy.

>> Mary (22:11):
Numerous timess. So we always go by, if
it was super active, we know we're gonna have a ton
more that we didn't even know happened. And when
it's like a little active, it's like, oh, we do leave kind
of depressed. Like, like really like nothing
happened. And then we'll review like our first time
at Hillview. I think it was the Hillview. Our first time,

(22:31):
it was kind of like we had a few
experiences. And then he is listening to the digital
recorder because he reviews the footage. And then I
like create everything and post it. But
he was listening to it and got a heart
monitor. There's no electricity and there's
no heart monitors anymore in there. And
there's the, you know, when you're in the hospital, the beeping

(22:54):
that when you're hooked up. Yeah, there was that,
beeping on.

>> Josh (22:57):
The digital recorder intermitt over an eight
hour period.

>> Mary (23:01):
Yes.

>> John (23:02):
Wow.

>> Mary (23:02):
And then a few years later, he
re. Listened to it. I don't even know
why we were.

>> Josh (23:09):
That's when we started to actually post some of
our evidence. So I was listening to
it and here I Completely missed
what sounds like a beautiful voice of a
woman singing in the background. Yeah, it
was. It almost sounded angelic. I was
so shocked when I heard it that I

(23:30):
ran and found her and I said, please tell me you hear this.

>> Mary (23:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was beautif. And it's
like there. There was six of us at night, right?

>> Josh (23:38):
Yep.

>> Mary (23:39):
Three women. None of us were singing. I don't even know the
song. It sounded.

>> Josh (23:43):
What song Kind of reminded me of,
Ava Maria.

>> John (23:48):
Sure, sure.

>> Mary (23:49):
I don't know that song. I was like, well, I wasn't singing that. And
then two others, like, they don't have a voice like that.

>> John (23:55):
Wow.

>> Josh (23:56):
Come to find out that there was a large
population of Italian immigrants that were
staying and living in Hillview Manor at one point or
time. And Ava Maria is, as I
learned, a, you know, almost like a hymnal
for, Italians. And so it could have been, This
place is different than any other place that we've

(24:16):
been to where they still have
their former residents belongings stored in
the basement, which. It's like walking
into a different world. It's quite sad.

>> Mary (24:27):
Ah, it's really sad because, the people, they
didn't have anybody, so when they passed
away, their stuff just got moved to the basement. They had
nobody to call. Like, that's just. It's heartbreaking.

>> John (24:38):
Yeah, that really is. Yeah. We have
places like this and where you guys do you mostly
investigating?

>> Mary (24:45):
Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia,
because we're Pennsylvania based.

>> John (24:49):
Okay. Right. Yeah, yeah. So you guys gotta.
Yeah, ton of stuff. I'm from Wiscon. I'm in
Wisconsin. So one of the things too, in,
our area, we had a lot, of retirement communities
where they were a lunatic
asylum, by the way. I wish I. I always
kid my kids about this. In the 1800, some of these

(25:10):
places you could actually commit. Conit,
conit your kids to these places if they were
just bad kids. So like, my. My son's being
a dick. I'm go goingna take him in there
and come in him and then everyone forgets about him.
That's insane.

>> Mary (25:25):
It's horrible. We actually have a big
poster from Trans Allegheny of all the admission
reasons.

>> John (25:32):
Yeah.

>> Mary (25:32):
And it's disgusting. The
thing that people were admitted
and forgotten about and they died there
alone.

>> John (25:41):
Yeah, it's horrible. yeah. And it's some of these
places, like in Iowa and Wisconsin, they have
what they call a poor farm. So basically
these people would work on this farm, right?

>> Mary (25:52):
Yeah.

>> John (25:53):
And. And then the. They would make corn or
whatever, beets or Whatever they're making. And then they would sell
this stuff not to them, like literally the place would sell
them. Give them like a nickel. Whatever they gave them.
couldn't really survive it. They were totally
basically slaves. And you know, and then
they died just because they were just
some dad was like o. I don't like to kind of mood you're

(26:15):
in. So you're going to this place.
What?

>> Mary (26:18):
Or widowers. A lot of widower. Because was a
H. P.O.

>> Josh (26:22):
Yes.

>> Mary (26:23):
Hillview Manor was a poor farm. So if you were a
widower or you know, like you said, bad
kid, they would just put you there and you would work for
your room. And that's horrible.

>> John (26:33):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyway, in this one
place in Iowa, it became an old
folks home and same thing. People forgot about
them. They just. Come on Grandpa and grandma. Here you
go. See ya. and there's pictures of these
rooms still with sheets on the bed and
people's clothes in the closets. And
it's crazy. Like you just,

(26:55):
you can do that and no one. That's
horrible.

>> Mary (26:58):
No wonder it's OND Yeah, exactly.
Like I don't understand how people could have done that back then, but they
did.

>> John (27:05):
Yeah, it's horrible.
So, Mary and Josh, I have a great topic
for you guys. This is awesome. You probably heard about
this. You guys are familiar with Zach Baggins.
I'm familiar. Okay, so you familiar
with the demon house in Gary,
Indiana? You familiar with that?

>> Mary (27:24):
Yes, we've heard of it.

>> John (27:26):
Okay, so I'm going to talk a little bit about it today
because this is crazy. So what if I told
you there was a house, just a regular
house in Gary, Indiana, in kind
of the poor section of it. But Gary, Indiana is kind of a
H section know if you look at it, little bo
Anyway, it's terrible. Anyway, this
house doesn't look any different. I'll put it up on the

(27:49):
social media, site and I've already put some pictures up there if you want to
go and check it out. My spooky friends and you
guys can check it out. Nothing different about it. But this
house at one time claims to have
20 demons who possess the entire
family. And this is the first
paranormal experience where priests,
doctors, cops and numerous

(28:10):
neighbors saw everything. Okay,
now the funny thing about this too is if you go
to Vegas, sack bag, and don't get me started on
him, I have a love hate relationship with him, okay? I call him
Bagel bites. Anyway, if you go to his
museum, they have the staircase from that
house in his museum. If you talk to some people,

(28:30):
they find it interesting. Other people
go, I don't know, it's a staircase, okay, but he
destroyed that house. So unfortunately my stooky
friends and both of you cannot go to investigate
it. However, however, the
grounds, they're still there. Still people
go there to this day do
satanic rituals investigated. People

(28:53):
say that ground is basically a gateway to
hell. Believe what you want to believe, but when I read this
story, this is, this is crazy. Please chime
in anytime you guys want to if maybe you have
something similar you've heard of in your area or you just have
a question.
So let's just start out here. So
the Amons family and Mrs. Amons claims

(29:14):
she and her three children were
possessed by demons inside their
northwest Indiana home when they began renting
it in November 2011.
So it's fairly recent. Immediately after
they arrived, the Amons told the indie star
that despite cold December temperatures,
large black flies

(29:36):
swarmed their screened in porch and they
kept coming back even when the family
killed them and killed them. According to
Ammon's mother, Rosa. Campbell, who told the
India Star reporter Marissa boy, I can't
pronounce his name. Kowaski. Sorry Marissa,
you can reach back out to me, but you got a crazy dance.

(29:57):
So from there you think that's strange. Things
got really strange. So
Campbell and Ammons, there was another person
who lived there with them, heard footsteps on the
basement stairs late at night. Okay. The
basement and kitchen doors creake and opened
uninsisted and they claimed the demons
got to their three children. So

(30:20):
imagine you're in this normal home, you're renting it,
you hear all, you know, there's flies everywhere
here. There's you know, all this kind
of creaky, you know, stuff going on. and it,
you know, again there's no explanation, there's nothing. So
when I go through this, if you guys ask me like, well, did
they worship demons and blah blah blah blah,

(30:40):
we'll kind of talk about that. So, the family told the
indie store that the kids eyes bulged,
their voice deepened and they
sported evil smiles while
possessed. The nine year old boy described
what it felt like to be killed
and walked up the wall in the
presence of a family case manager and

(31:02):
hospital nurse. Ah, that to me
he is. And people said they saw this. Now
here's my thing guys. You didn't have a phone.
Nobody had a phone. Nobody. Just I've heard
arguments back and forth. Well, you're not going toa do
that, John. If you see your kid just bus, start walking up the water
and I can like phone, phone, phone,
right?

>> Mary (31:23):
I honestly don't know. Like that's scary to me. Like
that whole story, it gives me chills.

>> John (31:28):
Yes. Yeah, it's right. So the
seven year old clenched his hands around his
brother's throat and wouldn't let him
go until an adult pried him
off. So the seven year old just started choking.
The, you know, kids will be kids. Like my kids used to
punch each other. Be like, you guys, stop it. You had

(31:48):
idiots and he had to separate him, but not
choking to the point and he had court them. Had
inhuman strength for a seven year old. Like normally, you know, it's a
seven year old so you'like yeah, come on. But according to
Amons, the mom, she was like
trying, really trying and she could not get him to let
go. Now it gets worse. The 12 year old
girl floated above the bed while

(32:10):
unconscious. The family sat. So
imagine your kids walking on the walls, strangling
each other, floating. Well, they
can't. And I know you're saying get the fuck out of the
house. I mean, what are we doing here, right? By the way, you can
swear in this podcast, oay right, get out.
What are you doing? These are poor people. You can't just

(32:31):
get out of the house. They're renting this house so they can't
leave. So let's, let's you know when people say that, I'm
like kind of know the situation like with my house,
probably could sell it and I'd be okay, but still, I'm
not going toa leave, I'm going toa try some other things. So this is what
happened. This is normally should happen. So the
police investigated, right? They came over because people were
like, the kids would go to school and they'd have bruises

(32:53):
on them and scratches on them and they. What's the first thing you
think? Unfortunately, the mom, dad,
whoever is beating the crap out of the kids. And that is
so sad, right? So police came over
and also the Department of Child Services
intervene. Okay. And what they
found was that the Amons were
guilty of neglect for not sending her children to

(33:16):
school on a regular basis. Now like I said,
they started saying the kids would go to school and the teachers would see this and
they'd be like, are, you okay? You know, do you need me to
get help? So they eventually the police went over
there because the mom was like, I'm
not doing this. This is not me. This is the
demon right now you can't go up to the principal of the
school, right. And say, hey, my

(33:39):
demons in our house. I am m not doing this. The
princess is going to be like, we're going toa take your kids away from me.

>> Mary (33:45):
Right, exactly right.

>> John (33:47):
So you again, you can't move.
You can't go to the principal or whoever and say,
I got demons in my house. That's why my kids. This
has happened. Okay. So eventually they
told the Amons to find a job in appropriate
housing. Okay. She had a job
too, but she had to kept coming
home because like the baby, like a friend or

(34:09):
somebody would be like, oh, this house is freaky. I'm not. I.
You know, your kids are being really weird. Like
I gotta get. So she eventually lost her job
because she kept having to come home. So one of the things
though, finally she did regain custody of
her children six months later. So this
poor woman. Imagine six months where

(34:30):
you are actually having this happen, all right?
And you can't see your kids and you can't tell me you
love them and you hope they're okay. And
hey, guess what? This is still happening. This is not going
away. So she's still sleeping in that house, which
is scary. So
eventually the.
The family did move into a new house

(34:51):
with no reports of demons and the case was
closed in February 2013.
However, one of the things they wanted to talk about here and
I didn't get really into this. This is kind of some of that. You can
read this because this is crazy. When this all came
out eventually. So that was. So there was some good news.
Right. You know, she eventually moved and was able to get a job

(35:12):
and she moved on and nothing case
happened. But when she started talking about when people said
like what is going on? And they wanted to know more
like because she's starting to come out more feeling a little more
braver. And I tell people too who listen to this
podcast, I think you guys agree with me. If there's
something going on, like really, like we just talked about a

(35:32):
little earlier, please reach out to somebody, you
know, parorl investigator or your
local BBE priest. a good for somebody.
Right. And talk about it because it's important.
Yeah. Even if you think you're a little crazy. Okay.
You know, I think there's thousands of stories out
there people have not brought up because they. I don't want to
be crazy. I don't want to tell them. When I was seven years old,

(35:54):
a ghost would come into bed with me of a little girl
and it shook me to this day
right now, I can't watch a horror movie or I
can't, I don't know, I don't like Halloween, whatever it might
be. So when they eventually were going through
this and trying to figure this out because everybody just wanted the case closed,
right? Like, come on, you know, what's going on. Eventually
the reporter was reaching out and saying

(36:17):
like, were there really demons? And you know, because
it's kind of like one of those things when you hear people say like
you were talking about that woman having her story and she
kept changing it. She didn't.
The Amons did not change their story. He kept saying
over and over. And like I said, there were
doctors, and other people to see this neighbor

(36:37):
who saw this and everyone was like, yeah, come on,
you know, whatever. So one of the things with a 12 year old
girl, she told her mental health professionals, because
thank God they did get therapy and everything,
that she was paralyzed during this whole
events and that she felt like being choked every night.
So imagine going to bed, you know, and

(36:57):
feeling that way. Now I've talked to some sleep
paralysis and they, they tell me, don't call me an expert,
but people have had sleep paralysis. And they said, well, it
sounds like she has sleep paralysis even though it's
terrible, you know, but it's still, you know,
something she probably had from all the stress and
things like that. But it's still a terrible thing. But she

(37:18):
kept telling, Amons kept on telling, this is
different, it's something supernatural. Okay. This
wasn't, it's not sleep paralysis. This was not anything.
So they actually did have a priest come in. So
you're probably asking, why don't they get a priest? You know, why don't they reach out
to someone, by the way, to perform an exorcism?
Guys, if you ever want toa do this, hopefully don't have. It's

(37:38):
harder than you think.

>> Mary (37:39):
Yeah.

>> John (37:40):
So a priestess to come in, they have to look
around, they have to do all this reporting.
They have to go through the higher ups. It could be musk.

>> Mary (37:48):
Yes. Before you haved m. It is
sad.

>> John (37:52):
Yeah. So hopefully it never happens. So
a priest though, who did this, Reverend Michael,
Manjo, formed
a, blessing at the Ammons and her family and
were actually then did a
exorcism, because it was authorized by
the Bishop of the Catholic Church
Diocese of Gary, Indiana. And it was the

(38:14):
first one he did in 21 years of
service. So this guy said, I don't do this
that often. So if you think I'm doing it. No, this is the first time
in like over 20 years I even had to go this.
And they performed a major
exorcism. So think of the exorcism. I don't know if you
guys have seen the movie the Exorcist or seen
some similar. Yeah, right. Scary.

(38:38):
You know, it's still scary to this day. So
they had to perform an exorcism on, the little
girl. Okay. And Amons. And they
prayed over her and they made appeals
to cast out the demons. they named
the demons. I don't know if you're supposed to do that, but okay.
tormenting the Amons during the ritual after
she looked, up their identities

(39:01):
online. So the demons, when
they'possessed what happens in exorcisms? It's like
in the movie, they'll say their name so, you
know, it's usually bad, like blah, blah, blah. You'll be like,
oh, crap, that's not Fred. You know, it's not
like Fred or Bill. That's not
scary. Like you're possessed by Bill, you know, re like ye.
Right, okay, whatever. So they

(39:23):
eventually got the Catholic Church blessing. And this
is. A priest has said this. Okay. And they're not.
You're not gonna have a priest be like, yeah, I need the money, so I'm going
to make this up. he cast out more than he said.
20 demons. 20. That's a long night.
I don't care where you are. That is a long night.
She also said that they also

(39:43):
did some major exorcisms on the boys
too. They did not give as many demons were there.
But I mean, that's crazy, right,
Josh? I mean, that's just. I mean, what do you think?

>> Josh (39:55):
I mean it's. It sounds to the average person like
it could be very far fetched.

>> John (40:00):
Yeah.

>> Josh (40:01):
But it is a real thing. At least in
my beliefs. I have yet, you know, knock on
wood to come across anything quite like that.
But you know, people don't be
scared to reach out to somebody, someone like us
to document it and to back up your
stories and then we can get that evidence

(40:21):
in the hands of someone that can do something about it.

>> John (40:24):
Yeah.

>> Josh (40:24):
You know, like a bishop or a priest, you know,
but it, I do believe it is a real thing, that
it's not just made for tv.

>> Mary (40:32):
Yeah, I believe it's real too. I just don't believe it's
as often as TV makes it up.

>> John (40:37):
Correct, Correct.
So one of the things I forgot to mention too is
Gary, Police Captain Charles Austin told the
indie star in 2014 that, he initially
thought the Amons were liars just to
get rich. You know what I mean? Kind of like Amityville horror thing.
But when he visited the home and interviewed the
witnesses, he came out a believer. Now,

(40:59):
there's things you can see on YouTube where Bagel
Bitess. Zach Baggins is talking to him,
and he said, yeah, I went in there and
these kids. He goes, I've seen all forms of abuse in
my years. He said, I've seen all liars. And
everybody trying to get out of. I don't beat my kids, and
I don't do this. It's demons. It's this.

(41:19):
He said this. He goes, the little kids would
come out and he would talk to them like, is your mom
hurting you? Or whatever. They'd be like, no, it's the
demons. Or they'd be like, get out. Like,
you shouldn't be here. You need to leave. And the kids
would, like, throw stuff at him, just scream at
him, like, in a guttural like. Like that. And he'd be like,

(41:39):
whoa, not behavior. Yeah. He said, it's
not normal. And he said,
okay. So he was convinced.
He said, you cannot convince me otherwise. And he's a cop.
Cops are not gonna say somethingu like that, right? Because they don't want
their buddies, other buddies, being like,
yeah, there's a haunted house. Whatever. Yeah,
come on. so in 2014,

(42:02):
Packbaggins boozed. In
2016, the house. But before that,
he filmed the demolition for the demon house
documentary. If you watch the documentary, it's
involved. It's on Amazon prime, or I think it's on YouTube.
Do not pay that. Zach Baggins has
enough money to just find something free.

(42:22):
You know, Norlly, I'm not a pirate guy, but I'm like, come
on. He's not enough money.

>> Mary (42:27):
Agreed.

>> John (42:27):
In that documentary, if you watch it, it's okay,
but, you know, you do what you have to do. One of his
teammates on there, as cameraman or somebody,
he, like, when he left the house,
his. He, like, got all These tattoos with
666 demons of things
on his arms. And when Zach Baggins was talking to
him, he was like, really? You know,

(42:50):
adversarial. Like, you know, you don't know. And
Zach Bagn said, you know, no, this is a nice guy. Like,
we've been working together for years. And he eventually quit. And he
had all these problems, that guy. It's very
weird. It's like, m. Okay. And then in there you
can watch on YouTube they have a little clip where Zach Baggins
is sleeping at the house by himself.

(43:10):
Course. And he goes temporary blind.
He some happens to him. I don't know if you guys can fill
it in, but he goes temporarily blind. He goes
to the hospital and this is all documented.
And he basically has temporary blind. He
can't see for I don't know how long. And he just
said that's enough. He boo.
Now I have ve to asked you guys quick question.

(43:32):
Do you think he bulldozed it because he believes
there's something real or do you think he boldldozed it for
his own fame? Like, like so you guys
couldn't investigate it. No one else could. You know what I
mean? It maybe disagree. What do you guys think?

>> Mary (43:47):
That's a good point. Because I feel
like a lot dramatized by him
specifically. Yeah. just over the years.
But if that, if he dramatized, if he
bulldoz it so nobody else could go to
prove that it's something else. Why doesn't he do that everywhere he
goes? You know what I mean?

>> John (44:05):
Totally good. Yeah. What do you think, Josh?

>> Josh (44:07):
I think if he's as big of an
expert as he makes himself out to be, he also knows
that destroying that home doesn't change the
situation whatsoever. It's you know,
basically he freed that energy if anything.
And if it's tied to the land, it's still there to this
day.

>> John (44:25):
Yeah.

>> Mary (44:26):
I believe it's with the land. I hope it never gets
like

>> John (44:29):
Yeah.

>> Josh (44:30):
But I would have definitely gone there. It would
have been on my list to absolutely. And check
out.

>> John (44:36):
Absolutely.

>> Josh (44:38):
This would be a solo one for me. It would have
been like they tore down Bobby
Mackekie's.

>> John (44:44):
Yes.

>> Josh (44:44):
That was going to be a solo investigation for me.

>> John (44:47):
Right. Right.

>> Josh (44:49):
I'd seen, you know, Beaggins do
his. You know, they made it out that it ruined the one
guy's a marriage. But then I've seen other teams
go in there and said that it's haunted but it's not
anything, you know, to the level that
it's being explained as.

>> John (45:05):
Yeah.

>> Josh (45:06):
So I wanted to find out for myself.

>> John (45:08):
Yeah, so did I. So did I, Josh.
because it's a perfect dive bar in Wisconsin just like
youries. I'm sure you have a dive bar where you're
like, it's okay, you know, you can go there and grab a quick beer
or whatever. S not gonna get in a bite or
whatever. So let's not. This is where it gets
A little weird. Okay, okay. Where

(45:29):
I kind of like. But I guess I'DO
the same thing.
So what? The Ammond and another
person, they signed movie
deals separate from Baggins on this
film in 2014 with
Lee. Daniel said the movie's already out, so you can go
on Netlix and see it, by the way. But they say the

(45:49):
current product project is unclear. That's not true. It
is out right now. The film directed by Lee
Daniels, premiered on Netflix on August
30, 2024 and explores the
themes of darkness, possession and faith of
this event. And the movie is called the
Deliverance's on Netflix right now. It is inspired by
the true story of Latoya Eun's

(46:11):
family alleged experiences a possession in Gary,
Indiana. House features a cast. This ain't a bad cast,
folks. Andrea Day, Glenn Close and
Monique. I don't know who she is. they got a pretty good
deal on. I think it was like over 20
million. It's not like that. It was a nice little
deal. Let's just put it there. Maybe it's more, but it was

(46:31):
in the millions that they got. I'm
like, m. I'm like, it
does.

>> Mary (46:39):
That movie is scary. Like, yeah, that
I watched that the one night by myself because he was asleep
and like I jumped a few times and I was afraid to go
downstairs by myself after watching
it.

>> John (46:53):
So does that change your mind?

>> Josh (46:55):
Money has a way of changing everything.

>> Mary (47:00):
It does.

>> Josh (47:01):
It definitely makes me wonder, I mean,
not to take away the credibility of
all, you know, the eons family and the
officers and, you know, social workers or
whatnotts wit things. Yeah, I,
I, you know, but that's something I'd have to see with
my own two eyes or, you know, or
hear, you know, some sort of

(47:22):
documentation of it, you know, to really
back it up for me.

>> Mary (47:27):
It just definitely makes it more
questionable. It does.

>> John (47:32):
Because you guys know the Amityville house?
That was all bullshit.

>> Mary (47:36):
Yep.

>> John (47:37):
That was all everyone getting together and so on
and so, So I don't know. So let me ask
you this. Let's do a final decision. Okay.
I think the demons were
possessed to the children for whatever
reason or whatever you want to say, but
that's all I have. And I can't really say it was

(47:57):
real. I just think there was some type of possession. But
then why, like, why that house?
Why those kids? I don't know. What do you guys have? Help the
outio.

>> Mary (48:07):
I think it did happen. I just don't know the true
extent of it because there's no way of,
you know, investigating it now to find out,
because nothing's there anymore.

>> Josh (48:17):
And I. I definitely agree. The church doesn't
go in and just perform an exorcism, Right?

>> John (48:23):
Exactlylywood.

>> Mary (48:24):
They don't.

>> John (48:25):
No, no. Like I said it had.
Yeah.

>> Mary (48:29):
They have to, like, meet, like, criteria.

>> John (48:32):
Yes.

>> Mary (48:32):
To perform one.

>> Josh (48:34):
So, yeah, there was something there. But
it's probably greatly dramatized
ye for a tv, I believe.

>> John (48:42):
Yes. Which it always is because, you know,
everybody wants to. Yeah, everybody wants to think. Because
if we were on it for money, we'd all be
millionaires. Right. Because we'd all just be like, oh, yeah, I was
at Transania. Holdull my hair,
scratch me. Oh, let's make a movie of that. Like, nobody's doing
that. You know what I mean? So it's just one of those weird
things. So let's put it. I'll put

(49:04):
it this way. Is, a maybe. What do you
think?

>> Josh (49:08):
Yeah, I'll give it a solid maybe for,

>> John (49:11):
A solid. Yep.

>> Mary (49:12):
Cause there's a lot of things there.

>> John (49:15):
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. All right, so
before we wrap up really quickly, I promise
you guys, we're gonna play the newlywed game. We're gonna ask you some
questions. If this marriage dissolves because
of me, it's not my fault. It's
not my fault. Dosh, Mary.

>> Mary (49:31):
That is so, funny.

>> John (49:32):
Okay, so let's do the first thing. First
question. If you, Mary, or
Josh saw a full body
apparition, who would be the first to
try to communicate to it?

>> Mary (49:45):
Josh.

>> John (49:45):
And why? Because he's so brave.

>> Josh (49:48):
I'm usually not the one that has any sort
of interactive u. experience outside
of a, I seem to be blindfolded doing an eststa session
when a lot of action happens close by.

>> John (49:59):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Okay.

>> Josh (50:02):
Mary says, did you see that? Did you hear that? No. I'm
blindfolded and I have headphones.

>> Mary (50:07):
Oh, my.

>> John (50:09):
All right, so this goes into my next question.
What's your partner's pet peeve on an
investigation? Well, what do you guys like? Will you stop that? You always
do that.

>> Josh (50:18):
I'd have to say Mary's is. I get
too in depth with, Or too elaborate with the
gear set up. and she feels as though
I'm, you know, I waste some time.

>> Mary (50:29):
Yes.

>> John (50:31):
Is that right, man? Okay.

>> Mary (50:32):
It's 100% right.

>> John (50:34):
Okay, Josh, you gotta get something on Mary
here. She.

>> Josh (50:38):
How should I say? I think she, gets
to riled up a little bit about, you
know, like, time management and, you
know, like, it's a. I mean, we're
professional about how we conduct ourselves and how we,
you know, go through and rule out our evidence.
But I think she gets a little too serious

(50:58):
sometimes and puts a lot of pressure on herself,
and then I get to hear the brunt of it.

>> Mary (51:04):
I could agree with that, because I do. I take everything very
seriously.

>> John (51:08):
Yeah. Yeah.
So then this fits truly well
into my next question. Who apologizes
first after an argument?

>> Josh (51:18):
Me.

>> Mary (51:23):
He's right.

>> Josh (51:25):
I might take a few minutes. She might take a day or
two.

>> John (51:28):
Well, Mary, we know the're real marriy up.

>> Mary (51:31):
that's funny.

>> John (51:32):
So here. Here's a couple more. Really
quickly. Which of you would be most
likely to survive a zombie
apocalypse?

>> Mary (51:42):
That's easy, Josh.

>> John (51:44):
Mary.

>> Josh (51:44):
You know, even trying, I believe it'll be heruse I'll
get killed saving her.

>> John (51:49):
O, so hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So Mary's
gonna turn into a zombie and bite you? That's what you're
saying?

>> Josh (51:56):
Well, that's definitely possible. I think she might
get herself in a bad situation and I'm gonna
come rushing in y and end up taking the
fall.

>> John (52:06):
O, Mary, come on.
So, okay, so this is. This is
something I like to ask. I'm not trying to get you guys into trouble again.
Like I said, no, this is fun. Okay.
Where was your first date?

>> Mary (52:18):
You're gonna love this.

>> Josh (52:19):
Oh, yeah.

>> John (52:19):
All right.

>> Mary (52:20):
You are gonna love this.
Asylum.

>> John (52:23):
Love itute. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
So, Josh, did you be like, hey, Mary, you're kind
of cute. You want to come with me and investigate? Sure, I'll
go and investigate.

>> Mary (52:33):
It was an investigation. It was for the Halloween, like the
haunted. But yeah, like, that was our
first date. We knew each other for many, many years before
we ever dated. But that was our first date.

>> Josh (52:44):
Yeah, Pennurst and I followed that up with Eastern
State Penitentiary the following week.

>> John (52:49):
There's no romantic dinner. All like, hey,
Han, let's go out. We'll have some drinks, some romantic.
No, come on, let's get hiten and scared and
scratched.
That's hilarious, guys. That will go
up, on when I put this on social media. I will put that up
there. That is the first one. Because most people be like, you

(53:11):
know, we met at work and, you know, he. I said,
you want to go and grab some lunch? And you know,
your guys are like, no, what are you gu talking about?

>> Mary (53:20):
What pe peners?

>> John (53:23):
I love it. I love it.
Okay, last question. Which one of
you is the party animal?

>> Josh (53:29):
I'm Retired.

>> John (53:30):
Well, when you guys were younger, let's
say. All right, who is the party an.

>> Josh (53:36):
Me M. We both were.

>> Mary (53:38):
O. You stay, call me.

>> Josh (53:39):
We both had our time. Yeah, I love, love
it now. We're both the cheapest dates in
the area.

>> John (53:46):
You guys just go to the local convenience store. Yeah,
let's just get a SOB and a cokee. whatever.

>> Josh (53:52):
Yeah, the six pack will last us a while.

>> John (53:55):
And this is before we wrap up. I got
to ask this question. Mary, I will start with you,
Josh. This is nothing against you, so don't take it personal.
So if you could do an investigation with
anybody, rich, famous, wherever or
anywhere in the world, let's say I'm a billionaire. This is what
I say. I'm a billionaire. I say, mary, I'm m gonna let you take my private

(54:16):
jet. You can take anybody you want with
you instead of Josh. No offense, Josh,
I'll get to you in a second. Who are you gonna take? Where are you
gonna go and investate?

>> Mary (54:26):
Amy Allen. I love her. Have
always loved her for many years.

>> John (54:30):
Okay.

>> Mary (54:31):
And some. Some castle.

>> John (54:35):
England. Scotland. Ireland.

>> Mary (54:37):
Ye. Ireland, England. Some
castle. It's a dream.

>> John (54:42):
Love it. I love it. I'll make that happen when I win the lottery.

>> Mary (54:44):
Awesome.

>> John (54:45):
Josh, same question. Mary, don't get mad.

>> Josh (54:48):
Him, I'd have to say Dave
Schrader. M. And I would like to,
investigate the catacombs in Paris with him.

>> John (54:56):
I love that.

>> Mary (54:57):
Great answer.

>> John (54:59):
I love this.

>> Josh (55:00):
Yeah, One of the few, in
this field that is, you know, a big fish,
so to speak, that does not dramatize a
thing.

>> John (55:09):
Yeah, I love that.

>> Josh (55:10):
Love that.

>> John (55:12):
You guys have great answers. Mine is very simple.
Beyonce and Transylvania. Dracula,
Castle. My wife already knows I'm in love with Beyonce.
Like, if she became free. My wife's out of the picture.
And, my wife laughs at me. Of course. Yeah, sure.
Beyonce wants you. Hey, that was
me. Yeah. No, I love
Transylvania. I've said this many, many, many, many

(55:34):
times on the podcast. It's absolutely gorgeous.
Guys, go check it out. Go Google it. You'll be like,
damn, John was right.

>> Mary (55:41):
Yeah, Josh loves it too. Like, he loves
the stories.

>> Josh (55:46):
Thealers Castle. I mean, come
on. Yeah, much better than that.

>> John (55:51):
Yeah. And it's fairly untouched
by tourism because, well, Hollywood
kind of ruined it. They made it look like it's, you
know, raining all the time and foggy
and werewolves and you're gonna die there, and
you'rea be like, no, actually not. It's actually
gorgeous. And people are supposed to be super nice.
And. And the Draculus castle still is

(56:14):
their moneyker. So thank you guys for
going over time. This was amazing. This is
so much fun. That's why I love having married couples who are
paranorma investigators.
But could you tell my spooky friends what you guys got coming up? What
are you guys looking to do here?

>> Mary (56:28):
We got a lot. So Waverly
5-8-M Pennhurst.

>> Josh (56:33):
We have our first private at Pennhurst.

>> Mary (56:36):
I think it's June. I forget the exact date
in June.

>> Josh (56:40):
Then we'renna follow that up with a.

>> Mary (56:42):
Trans Allegheny in September.

>> Josh (56:45):
And then to end the year, we're well we're going to actually
host a public ghost hunt for
amateurs in Gettysburg.

>> Mary (56:52):
But the end of the year one as of now because
Josh always finds one more
placeitually we have Fort
Mifflin on November 1st.

>> John (57:02):
I love that you that guys. That is
really awesome. And like I said, I did a roundtable of
married couples of paranorma investigators. I would love to have
you guys back on for that ca becausee that was so much fun. And I
know you guys sound like got things going on, but maybe we
can work that out and have you guys on. because I think you're really
niceuse. Everybody talked to each other and they were like, how do

(57:22):
you do this and how do you guys are. You know, was just really
nice to see people connecting and then telling
them, hey, if you're down in Florida or if you're in
Texas or you're wherever, come on down. We're doing co
investigation together. And I was thinking that. I love that
bringing people together. So again, thank
you so much. When you o By the way, just a quick

(57:43):
favor for me and my spooky friends. When you guys go
places, anything you want to share with me so I can put it
on my social feed and stuff. You guys got a
cool EVP or something, please share with me.
I'll put up there because it's awesome just to
have people listen to different things. And of course when this
episode comes out, I'll let you guys know and all the links and

(58:03):
everything will be out there that people can check you out and make
sure, you know, give you a little love or clicks or whatever you guys
want. And especially with that event, whenever that's
up, please let me know. I'll reach out to my spooky
friends and say, hey, if you're in the area, I, do have a lot of
listeners in Pennsylvania, so you know,
go take that out so thanks guys. Thanks for going over time

(58:24):
with. Yeah, that
Hollywood Newlywood game was fun. I'm glad you guys are still
married after so.
All right guys, stayy bye.

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