"The Watchers, The Government, and the Cryogenic Chamber: Paul V’s Paranormal Path"

In this eye-opening episode of Dairyland Frights, host John welcomes Paul G. Vecchiet, a former Air Force officer turned spiritual seeker and author of The Disclosure Paradox. Paul shares his incredible journey from military insider to metaphysical guide—uncovering hidden bases, cryogenic chambers, and the spiritual role of alien contact.

🚨 Topics Covered:

• 👷‍♂️ Paul’s time at Wright-Patterson AFB and the mysterious Foreign Technology Division

• 🧊 Discovery of a secret cryogenic chamber and underground base

• 👽 Contact with “The Watchers” and the truth behind alien abductions

• 🧘‍♂️ Indigo meditation, karmic law, and humanity’s spiritual test

• ✍️ Why Paul chose fiction to tell the truth in his novel The Disclosure Paradox

• 🩸 The shocking DNA findings behind the Shroud of Turin (and his upcoming sequel)

• 🧬 Are we genetically flawed? What aliens say about our “original sin”

• 🚫 Why disclosure might never happen—and what would happen if it did

🧠 Key Takeaways:

• Humanity is under spiritual quarantine, not just technological.

• Karma plays a cosmic role in shaping lives, even across lifetimes.

• The Disclosure Paradox explains why we’re not ready for alien contact.

• Bigfoot? Maybe not a cryptid—possibly a cosmic sentinel.

📚 Books by Paul G. Vecchiet

• The Disclosure Paradox – Out now

• Salvation (Book Two) – Coming October 2025

• What Doesn’t Kill Her (Prequel) – Coming June 2026 🔗 Visit: https://thedisclosureparadox.com

🗣️ Quote of the Episode: "Others have a greater impact on us than we have on ourselves." – Paul G. Vecchiet

Episode Transcript

Speaker A (00:00):
Foreign.
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(00:20):
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Hello, my spooky friends.
This is John, your host of the paranormal
podcast Dairyland Frights that coverseverything spooky, creepy and mysterious in
the Midwest and beyond.

(00:42):
And today I am very blessed to have greatguest on.
And it continues with Paul and Paul, I'msorry, how do you pronounce your last name
again?

Speaker B (00:56):
Vic yet.

Speaker A (00:57):
Vic yet.
Great.
So I am fascinated by Paul because he's hadnot only a extremely interesting life in the
military and he's an author and he's writtensome very what I feel intriguing books that
I'm looking forward to putting on my readinglist.

(01:20):
So, Paul, if you could introduce yourself tomy audience and talk a little bit about, you
know,
I know you were born in Italy and you moved toChicago suburbs, but if you can kind of give a
little background to my audience, that'd begreat.

Speaker B (01:36):
Sure, sure.
First of all, thank you for having me.
And it's a clear day out there, so there
shouldn't be any problems with our connection.
So.
Yeah, you're right.
I was born in Italy, so I am a green card,
green card carrier and got naturalized when Iwas 17 because the Italian army drafted me and

(01:59):
they wouldn't take me if I became a USCitizen.
So I became a US Citizen and sure enough,instead of going into the Italian army, I
joined the United States Air Force aftergetting my degree in architecture because
there was such a low level of employment forarchitects in Chicago at that time.

(02:20):
It was like 27% unemployment for architects.
And the government was giving out $12,000signing bonuses.
And in 81, $12,000 was a lot of money.
So.
But your thing, of course, is that when wesigned up, they took away the bonus.
So that was a pretty interesting.

Speaker A (02:41):
And that.
That's the government for you.

Speaker B (02:44):
That's the government.

Speaker A (02:46):
So one thing I was fascinated.
So you worked for the United States Army Corps
of Engineers right now.
And one of the things I was.
Yeah, and one of the things I was really
fascinating about it is.
And we were talking offline a little bitbefore this, and everything was you had to me

(03:11):
would be a extremely transcendent experiencethat kind of led you into a lot of things.
Right.
So can you talk tell my audience thatexperience you had while you Were in the
military,
sure, yeah.

Speaker B (03:27):
When I was an officer in the Air Force,
I was stationed at Wright Patterson Air ForceBase,
which is the cradle of research anddevelopment in the Air Force.
And that was assigned to Aeronautical SystemsDivision.
And one of our clients is Foreign TechnologyDivision.
It's like a.
A part of Aeronautical Systems Division.
And the mission of Foreign Technology Division

(03:49):
is to research and spy essentially on othercountries and look at their weapon systems and
looking at their strengths or weaknesses,
looking how we can take advantage of theirweaknesses, and look at how we can improve our
defenses or offenses based on their strengths.
So I was a construction manager for that partof my tour.

(04:14):
And my, my project was in that facility.
Foreign Technology Division was in a renovated
warehouse about 250 by 250 square.
It was in a metal building,
no windows,
and when you got there, you were surrounded bymotion detectors.
And even if you had a top secret clearance,you were escorted around because you.

(04:39):
It was a need to know operation over there.
When once I got into the building itselfthrough the double doors,
I noticed that there was no directory.
There was all the doors had no,
no names, no numbers on the doors.
Everything was painted white.
And my escort told me that individuals thatwere in one office did not know what was going

(05:04):
on in the other office.
And you could tell by the way that the doorswere locked.
So my project was on the second floor.
They gutted the entire second floor of this
facility for a massive computer system.
And that time in mid-80s,
computers were much larger than they are now.

Speaker A (05:24):
Yeah.

Speaker B (05:25):
So my job was to ensure that there was no opportunity for the contractor to put a
claim against the government for differingsite conditions or anything that they didn't
anticipate.
And what that meant is I had to inspect thesite and compare it with the drawings, which

(05:48):
are called as built drawings, which aretechnically the drawings that indicate the
condition of the facility at beforeconstruction.
So going through the as built drawings,
I noticed that there was a sheet thatindicated basement,
and it was for the entire floor plan of thebuilding.
And I reasoned, wait a minute, this was aconverted warehouse.

(06:12):
Normally warehouses don't have basements.
You just add on more space.
You don't make a more expensive basement.
So I checked the outline of the basement andcompared it to the outline of the first floor
plan, and it matched.
And so we had an authentic drawing here that
showed a hidden basement.

(06:32):
I thumbed through drawing some more,
and I see a drawing,
a sheet that is labeled Cryogenic Chamber.
It's a detailed floor plan of Cryogenic
Chamber that is approximately 70 by 90ft.
And that kind of threw me for a loop, becauseif it is in this kind of secure facility, in a

(06:56):
basement that isn't supposed to be known and,you know, having access for people,
then there's something really special going onover there,
especially with.
With the size, which is 70 by 90ft, which is
not just for Petri dishes.
You know, we're talking for large.

Speaker A (07:17):
Right, Right.

Speaker B (07:18):
Large, Large specimens.
And,
you know, interestingly enough, I,
I wasn't shocked.
I, I, I wasn't stressed out by having this
information.
I just filed it in the back of my mind,
and I made sure my escort didn't see what Isaw and rolled the drawings back up just as I
found them.
And I kept that secret for five years after I

(07:39):
left the service.
So that was, like, the first thing that kindof put me in a place where I realized that
there was a lot of information that we're notbeing told.

Speaker A (07:49):
Yeah.
And that.
So where did that lead you to after you gotout of the military?
It basically led you to find somespiritualism,
some different meditations, some differenthealing.
Like, what did that do for you?

Speaker B (08:07):
So the next event that really put me on the path to what you're talking about
occurred when I was just sitting on the couchat home and channel surfing, and I came upon a

(08:27):
show called Ancient Aliens.
And because.
And I stopped because they were talking about
the Book of Ezekiel and how the information inthat Book of Ezekiel actually was
misinterpreted and how it describes hightechnology and extraterrestrial contact.
And I recall that when I was in high school,

(08:49):
I stumbled upon a.
A interview on the radio with the same personthat was talking, Eric von Doniken, about
Ezekiel.
And so when I,
When I was watching that in 2009,
it made me remember that part.
And then it.
It also jarred my memory about what I learnedat Wright Patterson Air Force Base at Foreign

(09:14):
Technology Division.
And I put those two things together,
and I realized that I needed to be a littlemore investigative about what's going on,
because I wasn't satisfied just leaving thingsalone.
And from there on,
I started to make contact with people that hadinformation about,

(09:35):
for instance,
patents that were taken by the government forenergy conservation or saving energy or even
free energy,
things that had to do with Big Pharma, thingsthat had to do with even chemtrails, which
interested me,
and,
you know, just anything that had to do withcorporate control.

(09:57):
And what I realized when I was talking topeople is that they also had stories to tell
about their contact or their abduction or thatthey had implants.
But they, they opened up to me.
But they also told me that they preferred tobe secretive about it because they were being

(10:18):
ostracized, they were being attacked as beinginsane by their family or lying or just trying
to get attention.
And what I did, reasoning this and thinkingabout the people is I set up a support group
on Facebook called Spirits and Healing.
And through that, and we have as many as 300people in that group.

(10:41):
They,
they shared their stories, they opened upmore.
They,
I learned a lot about it and, and I started ablog called the Red Pill at the same time.
And so I would document their,
their, their, their chats and you know,whatever, they would post it and, and I put

(11:02):
that on, on the blog and it got popular.
And I also realized that these people, a lotof them would, would say that they got psychic
abilities after being abducted or being, orhaving this contact.
And many of them also advocated beingmeditative and getting into meditation.

(11:23):
So because of that, I started to, to meditatein 2009.
And one of the psych.
First of all, all the psychic people would
tell me one by one, even though they didn'tknow each other, that I had a special role to
play.
But they, they wouldn't go beyond that.
When I had contact with another woman who waspsychic, but she turned out to be my spiritual

(11:48):
mentor,
she would go into a trance and in that tranceshe would act as a medium and another race
that calls themselves the Watchers,
would contact me through her.
And they confirmed that I had special play andthey specified that I was going to be a
counselor and informer and, and that kind ofput me in a place where,

(12:13):
you know, I, I realized that I had to keepdoing this blog and doing,
you know, this con, this information with,with my spiritual group.
Now what happened though,
yeah, is that I lost my, my job on the outsidebecause they changed marketing schemes and I
was hired for, for military work.

(12:34):
And,
and the, the company decided to go away frommilitary work.
So I decided I, I need to get back with thegovernment to get back my 13 years so I could
apply for a,
a pension and all.
Cause all I needed was seven years.
And. But before I did that,
I stopped the blog and I,

(12:55):
I left the spiritual group because I didn'twant the government during their,
their search, their security search to findout that I'm, I was involved in that kind of
stuff, especially with the sense ofinformation that was on the blog.
So.

Speaker A (13:10):
Right.

Speaker B (13:11):
That's where things really started to happen.
Was after I, I, I got hired by the governmentagain.

Speaker A (13:18):
And at any point, Paul,
were you frightened not only by,
I mean, if the government wants you,
they're gonna get you.
I mean, it's that simple.
But also, were you frightened to about,
like,
where's my life going?

(13:41):
And I'm not trying to be smug about it, but,
like,
were you frightened like an alien ship wasgoing to land on your lawn and somebody was
going to come out and be like,
we told you,
now we're ready.
Are you coming?
How did you feel about either one governmentand about aliens?

Speaker B (13:59):
I,
the messages I got from the Watchers was thatI was being protected.
And when I was getting the,
the messages, I was also getting a feeling ofsecurity,
you know, of being at peace.

(14:20):
And it was,
you know, almost a feeling of love that I wasgetting from, from these entities.

Speaker A (14:25):
Oh, good.

Speaker B (14:26):
So that assured me that,
okay, I am going to fulfill this role one wayor another.
Regarding the government,
I,
I wasn't concerned about the governmentbecause I wasn't doing anything that had to do
with national security.
It was other, other things.
Okay.
And it phased into spirituality instead of,like, military stuff.

(14:51):
So I don't think the government was interestedin our spiritual connections.

Speaker A (14:57):
Yeah,
yeah.
Because I think that takes, and I want to
applaud you.
Takes a lot of strength and courage to do what
you did.
Because a lot of people, let's be honest,would freak out.
Would, would, you know, let them let thatconsume their life.
Right.
Looking over their shoulder,

(15:18):
maybe, you know, who knows?Maybe they see someone parked outside their
house,
and maybe it's just someone parked outsidetheir house.
Right.
But they think it's the government, and they,
they go in that paranoia and it spirals down.
So, you know, again, I applaud you for kind oflike using other ways not only to have your

(15:40):
blog and your Facebook group, but to helpother people, too.
Because I think that's a huge thing in today'sworld.
Well, mental health, obviously, is a hugething.
A lot of things coming to the forefront.
But when you're dealing with, and I've
interviewed,
you know, people who have been abducted,

(16:00):
their views are not so good of what you weregetting,
and that's a shame.
And I've interviewed people who have had
spirit guides like you had from the Watchers,
helping you to understand it's about love andyou're protected rather than it's fear.
Like, every night you go to sleep,

(16:21):
something's going to happen.
And so I applaud you for that.
So let me ask you this.
Though when.
How do you take spirituality and theextraterrestrial life and.
And like, how are they interconnected?

Speaker B (16:40):
Okay, well, first I need to probably point out a couple of meditative
experiences that.
That actually,
you know,
actually put me on a path to write what I wasexperiencing.
So before that,
I wasn't even thinking about writing a book.

(17:00):
Not long after,
through a medium event with that woman,
they told me that I was going to be tested insome way in meditation.
And not long after that,
advisement, I actually went through, inmeditation through a wormhole.

(17:21):
And it was an amazing experience.
It was.
If you saw the film Contact with Jodie Foster,
it was the color,
it was the motion,
vibration,
the heart racing,
perspiration,
all of that.
And it was.
I think it was in seconds.
It felt longer than that, but I'm sure it

(17:43):
wasn't very long.
And once I understood what was going on, I was
back on my body.
So maybe I passed the test.
I don't know.
They haven't told me whether or not I passedthe test.
But two years after that,
and see,
it's not like I try and make these thingshappen.

(18:04):
They just happen to me.
So two years after that, I was just sittingmeditating,
and a indigo cloud appeared to me.
And with that cloud was a feeling of euphoriawhere,
you know, it's kind of like the euphoria that.
That people that have had near death
experiences say they have had,

(18:25):
you know, where everything is love and.
And wonderful.
And as I got closer to the cloud inmeditation, it dissipated.
I noticed all along the horizon,
it was like a beehive of activity, a structurewhere there were flashes of indigo.
And again, as I got closer to euphoria gotstronger.

(18:49):
And what the message that I got seeing theseflashes all around me was that each flash
represented a spirit between lives.
And the flash was uploading or downloadingtheir life, their.
Their life, downloading their last life oruploading their next life.

(19:09):
And essentially what they told me,
what the message I got was that those spiritscombined make up this one massive energy.
And that massive energy and one consciousnessis what everyone calls God.
And that's when I was back in my body.

(19:29):
So when I got that information,
I reasoned, people need to know about this.
And I also took information that I got from aresearcher who passed away.
His name was Robert Dean.
He was a psychic spiritualist, and he was
hired by the army to be a contactee intelepathy with extraterrestrials to get

(19:55):
information from them.
And when you learn that the government hadLess than ethical reasons for doing what
they're doing.
He decided to go rogue.
And that's when he got his information from
these extraterrestrials, off the record,
about ourselves,
that we are spiritually corrupt and that theEarth is important to them because it is the

(20:21):
school where our spirits link to us,
to the human body.
The spirit,
which is an energy,
has the ability to learn about love, aboutpain, about suffering, beauty, creativity, all
the human elements.
They can't do that by themselves.
They have to link to us to do that.
And they're concerned because what started outthe.

(20:46):
The whole thing, really their concern was whenwe dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki
because they realized that we were likechildren playing matches.
We were not spiritually developed or ethicallyresponsible to have that kind of technology.
And what our scientists didn't realize is thatwhen we exploded and detonated that kind of

(21:12):
energy in that mass amount in a small time,
it actually affected other dimensions.
So that's why there was a spike in activitythroughout the world,
especially in places where we were dealingwith nuclear technology and still continues.
So the information that we got was that we arespiritually corrupt because our DNA is flawed,

(21:40):
and our DNA makes us violent, barbaric, havingan irrational obsession with possessions and
where you can see a lot greed, for example,
and worst of all, being racist to the pointbeing genocidal on our own, where we have mass
murders in the millions,
where we kill our own species.

(22:02):
And they're very concerned about that becausewe are a very intelligent race,
but we are also spiritually corrupt.
And our DNA is what the Bible says is our
original sin.
Our original sin is really our DNA, not what
the Bible says.
That's one thing that religion is hiding fromus, is that the flaws are from us, not from

(22:26):
what happened millions of years or thousandsof years ago.
So that's the link between theextraterrestrials and our spirituality.
And,
you know, I.
I wrote the disclosure paradox and I labeledit the disclosure paradox because everyone

(22:46):
wants disclosure.
They think if we have disclosure that, you
know, we'll have free energy and we'll be likethem, and we'd be able to be just like Star
Trek and go from planet to planet andeverything will be happy.
That's not what's going to happen because ofwhat we are.
Essentially,
if we were to have disclosure,

(23:06):
our universal community understands that wewould have contact.
And then if we have contact,
we would have a transfer of technology.
And if we have that technological transfer,
our less ethical and our greed would takeover.
We would take that technology, weaponize it,and use it against those that gave it to us,

(23:30):
and they know that.
So I'm pretty sure that our governments areslow on this disclosure and trying to delay
it.
And delay it, Delay it, because they have been
warned that if there is disclosure,
there's going to be action,
and then we're not going to like it.
So that's a paradox.

Speaker A (23:50):
Yeah,
yeah. And we'll.
We'll get.
Get to the books, but I'm leading up to it.
So, you know, everyone in the audience can
kind of know what your path was to get there,that it.
That it wasn't about.
You just woke up one morning and wrote a book.
I mean, there's a lot going into this.
But can we back up Paul here for a second?

(24:11):
Can you explain indigo meditation?Is that something people can learn to do, or
is that just something that people have thegift to.

Speaker B (24:21):
And that's what it is,
I think meditation.
You get what you need,
you get what your role is based on.
You can't control what you're meditatingbecause you open up yourself.
And,
you know, I know that there's guidedmeditation, and you can probably,

(24:41):
you know, have,
you know, ask your guides or your spirit to.
To guide you through a process.
But as far as getting information,
like, that depends on.
On the person, if the person needs to know.

Speaker A (24:58):
Right.
Right now, one of the things you, too, kind ofbacking up here, too,
you talked about, though, about, like, youknow, with karma and meditation,
like,
what have you discovered about that?How.
How does that play a role in our life,
dealing with our spiritual connection, whetherto ourselves as a society, as humans, and also

(25:22):
to extraterrestrials?
Because, like, you were talking about,
you know, there's a connection there, or we'retrying to establish a connection.
Whether we'll get there is a. Is anotherstory, I guess.

Speaker B (25:37):
So you're asking about karma.

Speaker A (25:39):
Yeah. Like, how does.
How does.
How do you feel that plays a role in today'ssociety?
And, you know, how does that maybe affect ourrelationship with aliens or extraterrestrials?

Speaker B (25:52):
First of all,
everyone has a spirit, and the spirit takes ona role.
Back where I, I mentioned that,
that indigo activity going on, that's wherethe spirit takes on the role long before they
link up with a human.
And in order to link with a human, the humanhas to have a functional brain.

(26:17):
So my hypothesis is that, for example, a fetusdoesn't have a functional brain, so it doesn't
have that spirit yet.
And, you know,
the Hebrews have said that the spirit Links tothe human at first breath.
So that's another thing to think about as faras, like, our spirituality and the link with

(26:41):
the human body.
Every spirit has,
like, instructions based on what their pastlife is.
In other words, there are lessons.
What we are doing right now is living out ourlife, but it's very short compared to the rest
of the universal community,

(27:03):
which is why they call it a school.
And in the school, we are to learn our lessonsbased on what instructions our spirits have.
And if,
you know, for example,
karmic law is when,

(27:23):
for example, a person who,
say, was a sexual predator and he passes onthe life that he will leave next will be a
victim,
because that is the lesson that that sexualpredator must learn.
Someone who is greedy will come back assomeone born into poverty.

(27:46):
Someone who is a bigot will come back as anLGBTQ person.
That's how.
That's how the karmic law works.

Speaker A (27:56):
Yeah. Yeah.
So that's interesting to me.
Now,
one of the biggest things, too, you said we'reschool.
We're still learning.
Eventually,
I'll use the generic word graduate.
Right,
exactly.
Graduate.
Okay.
Eventually,
aliens have to decide or extraterrestrialshave to decide if they're going to let us into

(28:20):
their world.
Right.
It's kind of like, you know, you go into.
And I'll just use a basic example.
When you get married, right?
When you get married and everything,
you kind of.
Before you get married, right.
You're kind of like testing each other.
Like, oh, should I let that person into myworld?

(28:40):
Should I let that.
Should I reveal all my secrets to that person?
Is that person.
I can.
I trust them.
And I believe,
right,
at a level there's a universal,
I don't know,
place where we could be invited to.
Do you think that will ever happen or do youthink we're far,

(29:01):
far away from that ever happening?

Speaker B (29:03):
We are what we.
What I term is a universe, a technological and
social quarantine.
We're not allowed to go beyond Earth.
Our.
Our astronauts,
when they landed on the moon,
I believe that they saw something and theywere warned about being there.
And which is why we haven't been there in sucha long time.

(29:27):
I think it's.
They don't want us,
and they don't want us because we're flawed.
And they're concerned that, you know, we will
spread our disease,
you know, throughout the universe or even, youknow,
do conquer, like what we did with the NativeAmericans or what we still continuing to do
with the blacks or the Aborigines.

(29:49):
So and even the, the, the people of theAmazon, they see that yes,
we are intelligent,
but we need to be more than intelligent, weneed to be spiritual.
And right now our level of spirituality isvery low compared to our technology.
And, and we need to raise our level ofspirituality to the level of technology like

(30:12):
they are because they've been,
are able to exist,
because they are balanced that way.
They're not necessarily more intelligent thanus.
They've just been able to develop longer.
We're talking hundred times longer than wehave been in existence, maybe even a thousand

(30:32):
times longer than we have been in existence.
So they've been allowed to,
you know,
to advance their technology that way.
If a,
a race has that balance,
then there, there's a greater propensity forthem to survive.
We, however, have a bad imbalance.

(30:54):
And so when we have such a low level of
spirituality and high level technology,
there's a greater propensity of us to selferadicate.
Conversely, when a race has higherspirituality and lower technology,
there's a chance for them to be assimilated bya more advanced race.

(31:15):
So it's very important both ways to have thatbalance.

Speaker A (31:19):
Yeah,
so two things I think are really interestingabout this,
and one is back in the supposedly,
whether you believe it or not, that's totallyup to you.
But Eisenhower,
if you remember back in the 50s, supposedlysigned a deal with the Grays to give

(31:43):
technology to us from them to,
in return to take an experiment on humans.
Any feeling towards that?
Okay, and why, why do you say that?

Speaker B (31:59):
So what happened was that, yes,
first of all, there were two efforts.
The first effort was to have a meeting atHulbert Field,
Florida,
and that was with probably,
you know, a benevolent race.
Their condition was, however, for this meetingis that we were to eliminate our atomic energy

(32:24):
program.
Obviously Eisenhower thought that that was aRussian plot because the Russians obviously
were,
you know, advanced in their nuclear program.
And so he decided not to meet those, thosebeings.
Another group contacted them and said, hey,we'd like to meet, but we don't have any

(32:45):
conditions.
So there was a meeting at Muroc Field, whichlater became Edwards actually.
There's also talk that it was at, at HollomanAir Force Base.
But what happened was that Eisenhower wasthere with members of our military

(33:08):
corporations.
Grumman,
Northrop,
Rockwell,
all those guys, Lockheed and Bell Labs and theArchdiocese of Los Angeles was also
represented there.
When he learned that the Grays were asking forpermission to abduct humans and livestock, but

(33:35):
say that there would be no,
you know, no harm done,
Eisenhower did not want to make that decision,
that agreement.
So he left.
But what happened, the mistake was that heleft, but the other guys stayed.
And those were the military industrial complexguys that Eisenhower warned us about when he

(33:56):
left office.
They made the deal with Rays.
They didn't care about the welfare of thepublic.
They just were concerned about the technologyand getting the money out of it.
So they said,
so the Grays recognize them as the leaders of,

(34:16):
you know, of our country.
And they made the agreement.
And that's where we have been.
The military industrial complex has beengetting this stuff and not our governments,
not,
not, you know, a more benevolent,
you know, exchange of technology.
And by the way,

(34:37):
they've been giving us technology that reallyhasn't been as,
I guess,
important or,
you know, break, you know, given us abreakthrough.
They've been giving us stuff in piecemeal,
but they've been allowed to do what they'vebeen doing.
That's when they can't.

(34:58):
Came up with the Dulce underground base, thejoint reptilian and mercenary base that I
write about.

Speaker A (35:06):
Yeah. And I did a episode on that,
and that is totally fascinating to me becausethey have different levels.
Supposedly on this base, one is called thenightmare level.
Supposedly people who have been whistleblowerson it have said there are alien human hybrids,

(35:26):
that there was a. There was a gentleman whowrote a book about it, said there was a war
and he was injured in the war that wasunderground.
And all that stuff from certain point of viewis true.
There is a base and you go near there, youknow there.
It's going to be a problem.
Area 51, that's the most famous one, as we allknow.
And you know, a lot of these places that we,we don't know.

(35:49):
But one thing before we get to your books,because obviously I want to talk about that
there are parts around the world.
You were talking about Eric Van Dankian'sbook, Chariots of the Gods.
In that book he lists a number of differentplaces, the pyramids, places in South America,
Europe, so on and so forth.

Speaker B (36:08):
Sure, yeah.

Speaker A (36:11):
What. The biggest one that people would recognize here in the United States is
the Skinwalker Ranch.
That has been by numerous scientists,
ufologists,
you name it, we can go on and on about it.
Why do you think that specific place?I know it has to do with Native Americans and

(36:34):
so on, and so I totally get that.
But why do you think that place is one of themain focus points for.
For extraterrestrial activity, I guess, is thelack of a better word.

Speaker B (36:49):
I don't know,
I haven't read as much about it as I should.
I know that there have been many stories from
many, many witnesses and strange things happenover there and I know it's gone through two or
three exchanges of possession from ownership.

(37:09):
Right?

Speaker A (37:10):
Yes, it's.

Speaker B (37:11):
It, you know,
there have been many.
Hypothesis one is that it's like on a,
a point on the,
the geo nodes system, you know, that iscritical to the,
to the, the way that the, the planet is works.

(37:33):
So that's one thing.
It's like an energy point or energy center, Isuppose.

Speaker A (37:38):
Right? Yeah, but yeah, yeah, really interesting to
me.
Go ahead.

Speaker B (37:44):
No, you're, you're right.
It.

Speaker A (37:46):
Go ahead.

Speaker B (37:46):
It's something to,
to certainly investigate and you know, it'sobvious that something's going on over there.
How much our,
our black,
you know, programs know about that.
I don't know.
It could be just something that is strictlyextraterrestrial and doesn't involve human
interaction.

Speaker A (38:07):
Yeah, yeah.
And there is, I've watched a lot of
documentaries on it, read a lot of books on itand it just,
it keeps confounding everyone.
Like there's nobody that can be like adefinitive answer.
And again,
what I tell everyone listening to this is thisis something that is scientifically.

(38:33):
Scientists have gone out there and have triedto run different things with, from the
geography of it, topography of it,
you know, looking at minerals, looking at, youknow, testing the air, the water, the
everything.
And they're still,
they don't have an answer.
They're like, why does this keep happening?
So before we get to talk about your books andeverything,

(38:57):
do you think the, the military industriouscomplex, which.
I know that I pretty much know the answer tothis, but I'm going to ask it anyway.
Will they,
do you think they'll ever just come out andjust be transparent about it?
Like,
yes,
there's alien hybrids and yes,

(39:17):
we've been using this technology.
Do you think that will ever happen?

Speaker B (39:22):
I, I don't think so.

Speaker A (39:24):
Yeah, I don't think so either.
Yeah, the.
Right.
For many reasons.
Right?Yeah.

Speaker B (39:32):
Well, they have the advantage.
They're not going to give you.
Give away that leverage, right?

Speaker A (39:38):
Yeah, absolutely.
And everybody's fighting over the technology
and that's what makes us primitive, right?
That makes us not monsters, but maybe tocertain alien races, extraterrestrial races,
you know, it's like kids fighting over a toy.
Right?

(39:58):
You know, I have two kids when they wereyounger, they're fighting over a toy and you
would be like, all right,
no one gets the toy.
And that's what I'm afraid of, Paul.
I'm afraid they're going to step in and belike.
And the toy is a symbol of many, many things.
Right, right.
And that nobody gets it.
Now, that's what I used to do as a father.

(40:18):
All right, you can argue with the toy.
Nobody gets the toy.
I'm taking it.
And, you know,
I don't know what that means.
Right.
What is that?
What does that mean to you?
You know, that aliens could come in here orextraterrestrials, however you want to put.
And just say, all right,
we're taking it back.
It's ours now.
And you're not getting anything anymore untilyou find whatever we need you to find.

(40:42):
Spiritualism,
style, you know, intelligence, whatever.

Speaker B (40:46):
I think a lot has to happen for that to.
To occur.

Speaker A (40:49):
Yeah, they.

Speaker B (40:51):
They want to, to keep the, the Earth as a school.
Obviously, the lessons are getting moredifficult as, as time goes on,
you know, and even with technology, technologyhas nothing to do with,
with the, the benefits or, you know, ourquality of life.
Really.
It really.

(41:11):
In fact, it's making it worse and it's, it'smaking it riskier,
such as I AI.
Right.
But yeah,
to them,
the planet is more important than the humans.
They could replace the humans, but they can'treplace the planet.
So they are monitoring the way that we, wetreat the planet.

(41:32):
I know that they have stopped nuclear attacksand launches,
either accidental or intentional.
One key event was at Malmstrom Air force basein 1967, where they, they shut down silo by
silo, one by one.
And the,

(41:53):
the captain over there, Robert Sala, he'swritten a lot of books about it.
Yeah,
and they been to Rendlesham Forest, where.
Oh, right, we had, we had nukes that were
stored there, even though it was a top secretthat even the British were not supposed to

(42:13):
know that we had nukes there,
but they knew that we had nukes there.
And they were going from Silo to Nassau Silo,
from bunker to bunker,
monitoring the,
I guess the technical health of the storage ofthe facilities to make sure that there was no

(42:35):
possible nuclear accident.
So they're still doing that.
They're still monitoring us.
And I believe that one thing that is in the
equation that is monitoring us has to do withthe custodian of the Earth are the Bigfoot
creatures,
the yeti.

(42:56):
Bigfoot and others.
I think they serve as sentinels to monitor thewilderness.

Speaker A (43:06):
No. That's interesting.
Yeah. And I've heard a lot of stories whereBigfoot has been or Cryptid has been seen near
a UFO or UAP or whatever you want to callthem.

Speaker B (43:20):
Exactly.

Speaker A (43:21):
And a lot of people talking about how can all these Bigfoots be around at
different locations and talking about usingportals and stuff.
And I agree, I think,
and I don't want to go off on a tangent, butone of the biggest things is I hope they never
catch a Bigfoot or Bigfoots.
And the reason why is because, you know, they

(43:43):
will dissect them,
they will torture them,
they will hurt them.
And I'm like,
no,
I mean leave them alone.
Because I feel they're doing something for us.
And if we're attacking them now, it made me
that that's a whole different podcast, a wholedifferent story.
But so let's get to you.

(44:04):
Yeah, let's get to your book, the DisclosureParadox.
I'm gonna, I wanna start with first thingthough.
Before you started writing this book, Paul,did you ever feel like you were in danger?
Did you ever feel scared, like maybe Ishouldn't do this?

Speaker B (44:20):
No.
And you know, after that meditation and, andhaving more communication with the, the
watchers, it just came to me that, okay,
you need to,
to take that information that you got fromyour blog to, to take the information,
use the characters that, the people that youhave as characters.

(44:41):
Use the, the person that is your meditativeand your spiritual mentor and fictionalize all
of them and, and make up your story to,
to give the public the truth about ourselves,
why we are here and our relationship with therest of the universe, and why we haven't had

(45:03):
disclosure.
So what I did,
I, I sat down for a weekend.
I was on a business trip and one weekend I
took a,
a pen notebook out and I wrote 31 pages ofoutline straight in one weekend.
That,
that doesn't normally happen to a first timeauthor.

(45:26):
And so I, I'm pretty sure that someone helpedme out on, on that and I did not stray from
that outline at all when I put together thebook.
So that's how that book came out.

Speaker A (45:40):
Yeah. So why did you choose to write this book instead of maybe doing a
nonfiction book?
Right.
And do something where you're talking about
your real life experience?Because that,
you know, is wow, that's a life shatteringexperience and kind of one of the things which

(46:02):
you went through.
So what when you were writing that, do you
feel that there also was maybe,
I don't know, your mentor or spirits,
whatever you want to say, kind of saying no.
Right.
Write the book this way.
Like you're talking about like somebody was
helping you or something was helping you.

Speaker B (46:20):
You.
There are many reasons why I wrote it asfiction.
The first is that I'm not well known.
I'm not, I don't have a following.
I don't have a podcast.
I don't, I'm.
I don't appear on Ancient Aliens.
And you know, a lot of people that write nonfiction have been doing it for a long time.

(46:41):
They have had profound experiences and,
and they continue to write about thatexperience and they have a following and
they're well known.
You know, Richard Dolan, for example,
Nick Pope,
all those guys,
you know, Bondoniken.
I can't compete with that.

(47:01):
So.

Speaker A (47:02):
Sure.

Speaker B (47:02):
But the other thing is that the people that I wanted to read the book people,
I wanted to understand what is going on,
the truth behind our spirituality and theextraterrestrials,
they normally would not read a nonfiction bookbecause it's not in their interest.

(47:23):
They, they kind of get turned off by someonetalking about their abduction or someone,
you know, talking about how the tall whitesare doing this and the Pleiadians are doing
this, Nectarians are doing that.
And it,
if I did that,
it would turn those people off.

(47:44):
So I wanted to attract those people and to do
that,
I wrote it in fiction,
making sure that I had a lot of truths inthere so that when they read the book,
they would start to understand that thissounds kind of real and that they would
actually go in and, and, and research forthemselves about what I was writing about.

Speaker A (48:08):
Sure.

Speaker B (48:08):
The other thing is that as a military person,
if you write nonfiction,
you have to go through a formal review processwhere they,
they review your manuscript so that there's nosensitive information in there and that there
is nothing that would be cause a harm tonational security.

(48:32):
So I obviously avoided that by writingfiction.

Speaker A (48:38):
Yeah. So let me ask you this.
And you don't have to give anything away,
but one of the biggest thing about writers isyou write what you know,
meaning, you know, personal experiences whichwe just talked about, obviously.
But was there any real people in here?
Was there anyone that you were like?I changed the name, but there was a Bill

(49:01):
Smith,
you know what I'm saying?There was a guy who did,
you know, whatever it is in the book,
did you do anything like that or did you tryto shy away from that?

Speaker B (49:13):
Most of the characters are based on real people.
Some of the characters are a combination ofone or two people or three people.
The main character is based on myself.
And a lot of the people that know that theyare fictionalized are aware of it because I
did talk to them to make sure that they wereokay with what I was writing about.

(49:35):
In fact, one of them was,
is a woman who is a big supporter of me andshe actually allowed me to fictionalize her
life story and that became a prequel to thatbook.
So. And. And she's very.
She's very well known in SAI circles, youknow,

(49:59):
psych psychokinetic circles.
She's very well known in there.
There is a.
A senior officer who I have made thecharacter.
I call him the Divine Warrior.
And before I wrote the book,

(50:19):
he met me for dinner because he was interestedin.
I was sending him the coordinates of theanomalies in Antarctica that showed that there
were, you know, some things there that didn'tbelong.
And so he was interested in that.
And so we met for dinner and before we sat

(50:41):
down, I said, wait a minute.
Before we sit down, you need to know that weare in the middle of, and has always been in
the middle of a spiritual war and that youhave an important role in it.
And I didn't intend to say that,
but it came out,
you know.

Speaker A (51:00):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (51:00):
And that was.
That was one of my tasks in my role as
counselor informer.
Because when I said that,
he turned all red, started to tear in hiseyes,
and he just opened up to me about all thespiritual things that were happening to him.
Visitations by Mary, getting Gabriel's sword,

(51:23):
being given a vision of himself on Armageddon,
all kinds of things.
And how he was told by his mother that theirspecial.
And his mother is psychic and he's psychic andthat they have been.
He has been attacked by archons and he's beenable to repel them.

(51:47):
All kinds of things.
And I put his story in that book.
After I, I learned about it,
I. I made sure I included in there,
but I passed it on to him to make sure that,that he was okay with it.
And.
And he was.
So. And then there's another one in there thatis what I call the.
The Lonely Emissary,

(52:07):
where he actually sent me star charts that hecomes up with after having his dreams and
meditations.
He's a hybrid.
So he gets these star charts and he writes
down things, and he also uses alien languagein writing things down.
And he sent me the original documents and Iput them in that book as an example,

(52:31):
and he let me do that.
So there's a lot of authenticity in this book.

Speaker A (52:36):
Yeah,
I love that.
Now, one of the other things,
it's when you're an author and when you'reWriting, it's hard to stay motivated.
Right.
And you know,
you can stop anytime.
Let's be honest.
Right.
Do you feel that you had to get this book outto not only get it out to help people, but

(53:01):
maybe just to get it out, to get a messageout?
Like, what was the main purpose you think for,for writing this book that kept you going so
you could be like,
hey, I, I finished it.
It's out there, and I hope, you know, whateverhappens, happens.

Speaker B (53:18):
I thought it was part of my role to be a counselor, informer.
And so I need to fulfill that role because myspirit made that decision as I write in, in
the book about a regressive therapy that I hadwith a, a psychic who informed me that the
spirit made a,
an agreement to return to Earth and fulfillthis, this role instead of advancing to the

(53:44):
next level.
Hmm.

Speaker A (53:47):
Yeah, that, that's great.
And I, and that's something again,
whatever you're doing in life, you need sometype of motivation.
So let me ask you this.
You, you, The Disclosure Paradox, Salvation
Book two, that is out, is that correct?

Speaker B (54:03):
It'll be out in October.

Speaker A (54:05):
Be October. Great.
And can you give me a brief over my audience
here, kind of a brief summary of what thatbook is going to be about?

Speaker B (54:16):
Yeah. Let me explain something.
We are, we are here because of that book,
not because of the first book,
because the first book I self published andthe second book I self published, which was
the prequel to that second book.
When I did that,
there wasn't much success.
And I,
I, I thought, well, maybe I wasn't meant to bea writer.

(54:39):
So I, I, I figured that there was somethingelse I need to do.
But in the meantime,
I got a,
a message from a Benedictine, formerBenedictine monk, priest.
And what happened was that he,
searching for extraterrestrials andspirituality, found my first book.

(55:03):
He liked it and he friended me.
And then he said, you know, what's missing
from this book, he said, is the Shroud ofTurin.
And I thought, well,
okay.
But what happened was that he was sent, he
sent me about 300 research papers from allover the world, from scientists about the

(55:24):
Shroud, authenticating it on its botany,
history, art history, archaeology,
even geology,
hematology, blood science, all that forensics.
And I thought, wow, this is prettyinteresting.
And I thought this could be a good sequel.
So I put together an outline, sent it to him.

(55:47):
He liked it.
Six months later I made a manuscript sent tohim,
and he liked it to the point where he actuallywrote the forward for that,
that sequel.
Oh, nice.
Now that was the book.
I decided to go through the same process oftrying to find an agent and a publisher.
In the, in the process, I found an editorwho's a very good writer.

(56:11):
In fact, his book,
one of his books is in the Rock Hill hall ofFame because he's a memoir writer and he liked
the story and he helped me edit it and then hepassed it on to his publisher and his
publisher liked it.
And then when they found out that I had twoother books in the series,

(56:34):
they asked for them,
they liked them.
And so what we did is we re reworked the firstone.
And so the first one was originally selfpublished in 2019.
We, we published it February of this year,2000, 2025.
And the one that got everyone's attention willbe out in October.

(57:00):
And that is about a conspiracy to steal theShroud of Turin.
And it starts with a murder in the Vatican.
And what that does is it,
there's an entire chapter about the Shroudthat, that authenticates it and as I
mentioned, talks about, it's like a Reader'sDigest version of all those papers that I

(57:21):
read.
And so the Benedictine priest who by the way,
has been researching the shroud for over 40years and is the president of the Shroud
Research and Education association,
he liked it and that's why he wrote theforward.
And if you read some things about the Shroud,you realize that scientists have indicated

(57:46):
that his blood does not match any human typeand that his DNA is different from our human
DNA.
So what I reasoned while I was reading allthis stuff, something came to me and I thought
there's a reason why I did research about theBible, about blood in the Bible.
And I found that there were 376 verses in theBible that talks about the blood of Christ.

(58:12):
And I thought, wow, that there's somethingthat's going on over there.
It's not a coincidence where they talk aboutthat all the time.
And then Jesus cryptically said that his bloodwill wash away the sins of the earth.
And then I got my message that I got was well,what if we were to have this technology to

(58:34):
harvest his DNA,
take it, and then repair our own DNA so thatit's not flawed anymore and we could be like
him.

Speaker A (58:44):
Yeah, right.

Speaker B (58:46):
So that's what that.

Speaker A (58:48):
I love that I love that I definitely have to read that one.
And then I don't know if this is true on yourwebsite, but you have another book coming out,
hopefully called what Doesn't Kill Her.

Speaker B (59:01):
That's the prequel.

Speaker A (59:02):
When would that be? Coming out.

Speaker B (59:04):
That's the frequent.

Speaker A (59:06):
All right.

Speaker B (59:07):
June 2026. Yeah.

Speaker A (59:09):
Yeah, it's a, yeah.
Summer of 2026.
And I love that, you know.
You know, again,
it sounds like an amazing book.
Now,
what do you, what should people take away fromyour books when they read it?
Is there anything you want to kind of getacross to the readers?

Speaker B (59:30):
A lot of things.
Take from them a lot of things.
First of all, everyone has a role to play onthis planet.
Some are larger than others.
Some are bigger than others.
Some are more important than others.
But everyone has a role to play.
Each and every one of us are impacted byothers more than we have an impact on our own
lives.
In other words, other people can influence our

(59:52):
life more than, than we can.
So that's why it's important for us to treatothers in the way that, that we would like to
be treated.
The other thing is that there is fate to a
degree, because everyone follows a path,

(01:00:12):
but it's not a straight path.
It goes like this,
right?And if you plot the straight line and
intersect it with that meandering line,
the points of intersection are the key pointsin your life that put you on that straight
path.
Okay,
that's the other thing.

Speaker A (01:00:31):
Yeah.

Speaker B (01:00:32):
The one other thing is that if we want to improve ourselves spiritually, we need
to know that we are here to make life betterfor others instead of making life better for
ourselves at the expense of others.
If you just follow that rule,
we can leap in spirituality in this world.

(01:00:55):
And another thing is that if we really want tobe like them,
like the universal community, we have torelease ourselves of the lust for power and
the,
I guess, adornment of wealth where power theyhave, they have released themselves of power
and of currency.

(01:01:16):
It doesn't exist in, in that life anymore.
They've been able to get around that by just,
you know, but by just being good to eachother.

Speaker A (01:01:26):
Yeah, I, I, I love, I love that.
That's, that's amazing, Paul.
And people have to understand,
again,
it's not about you.
It's about others.
It's about, about your community.
That's how we're going to survive.
Okay.
And it's going to take time.
But when we both understand that, and I'm sure

(01:01:48):
my audience understands it, but as we wrap uphere,
one of the things you're kind of, you'retalking about is,
I'm gathering you're hopeful about humanity.
But I love a quote that you said.
This is, this is a great quote.
We have a greater impact on others than wehave on Ourselves.

(01:02:11):
That is an amazing quote.
And you kind of talked a little bit aboutthat, but,
like,
what does that mean,
you know,
to people?Like, again,
that we have a greater impact on others thanwe do ourselves?

Speaker B (01:02:29):
I mean, others have a greater impact on us than we have on ourselves.
Yeah, because.
Because,
you know, something's happening right now faraway from you.
You don't even know the person.
But.
But they're doing something that is impactingyou because it will impact someone else,
and then that person will impact somebody elseand it'll go down the line until finally it

(01:02:51):
does impact you some way or other.

Speaker A (01:02:54):
Yeah,
yeah,
yeah.
And it's to the simple.
If you're looking at the simple, genericversion of it is pay it forward.
We need to do more of that.
So last question.
You've been amazing.
Thank you so much, Paul, for taking time outof your schedule to be on my podcast.

(01:03:15):
I love everything, your experiences, and it'sjust, like I said, being a very meaningful
podcast for me and I hope my audience, but Ialways ask this.
The people who are my podcast who are dealingwith aliens, extraterrestrials and.
And things of that nature,
what do you think aliens want and what's theirend game?

(01:03:40):
And I don't mean to say that in a negativeway,
but there has to be something that eventuallythey want.
And we kind of talked about a little bit, butif you can kind of sum it up for my audience,
that would be great.

(01:04:10):
Right?

(01:04:46):
Yeah.
Right?

(01:05:09):
Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
I love that.
So, again, thank you so much, Paul.
All the links will be out there.
Go to Paul's website to disclosure paradox.com
Please get his books support him.

(01:05:30):
Independent authors are the lifeblood.
I feel to not only helping everyone else,
getting the word out about different subjectslike this and making them understand again.
It takes a community and we can't be selfish.
And we have to be out there to learn and

(01:05:50):
educate ourselves and not take it personallywhen, you know, maybe we're not getting to the
places we don't want to get to.
We eventually will if we all work together.
So thank you, Paul.
I really appreciate it.
You, like I said, when the episode comes out,all the links will be on to all your social
media so people can check you out and.

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And I would love to have you back on the
podcast sometime because I didn't get to halfthe things I wanted to get to.
I would love that.
Please. I love that.
I will be in touch.
Thank you, Paul.
You have a great day.
And you know, I always tell all my audiencesand my guests stay spooky.

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See you, Paul. Have a great one.
Bye.