The World's Most Haunted Prison Shepton Mallet with Guests The Paranormal Truth with Ruth and Jamie

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Speaker A (00:00):
Foreign.
Hello my spooky friends and welcome to anotherepisode of Dairyland Frights, the paranormal
podcast that covers everything spooky, creepyand mysterious in the Midwest and beyond.

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And tonight I love my friends from this is oldschool.
From across the pond in the uk, I have Ruth.
Ruth and Jamie from Paranormal Truth on the
podcast.
Welcome.

Speaker B (00:37):
Hello.
Thank you for having us.
Yeah, appreciate it.
Yeah, it's good, good to communicate with
people over the pond and see how you dothings.

Speaker A (00:44):
Yeah, definitely, absolutely.
So I was talking offline to Ruth and Jamie and
I said I had Liam from the Spooky Shed podcastand this, if this happens to you.
When I was talking about our topic with him,he had a paranormal experience during our

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recording.

Speaker B (01:12):
Wow.

Speaker A (01:13):
And it was pretty cool.
And he said it freaked him out a little bit
because I was talking about something and hehad a chair move in front of him when I
mentioned something and he saw the chair andlike a little shadow and he went, did you see
that?
And I'm like, no. And he goes, I'm a littlefreaked out.
The chair moved and I thought I saw like alittle shadow get up from the chair.

Speaker C (01:32):
Ah. Well, you never know because we get, we get some bits and bobs in our house.

Speaker B (01:37):
Occasionally we do home sorts.

Speaker C (01:39):
Yeah, we do home investigation because we've got, yeah, 12 dolls.

Speaker B (01:44):
Yeah. I don't know how you guys, if you, you work with attached objects or.

Speaker C (01:48):
How we've got an old teddy and bits and bobs.

Speaker B (01:51):
That's right.
So it's occasionally when we, when we want to
get to know the item a little bit them out athome and just communicate with them a little
bit and see what happens.
And we have had interesting things occur athome.
So you just never know.

Speaker C (02:05):
And even without the dolls, before we got the dolls, we had things happening.

Speaker A (02:09):
Yeah. I love it, I love it.
And we will definitely get to that because
that to me is exciting.
I won't talk about that, but let's get right
into it.
What intrigued you?
I'll start with Jamie.
What intrigued you about the paranormal?
Like, did you have an experience as child?Like, could you tell me, like, why?

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Why the paranormal?

Speaker B (02:32):
Well, for me, I am a skeptic at heart, I suppose, but I always like to debunk
every time.
You can't debunk.
But I suppose I grew up on like the,
not the Ladybird books or the Collins Book ofGhosts, like a well known sort of book when I
was a child.
And the creepy stories, I think Stephen.
Yeah, yeah.
Stephen King was around.

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So I think just those type of stories was of
interest and ****** Doo, things like that, asdaft as it sounds, just, just things like
****** Doo as a Gen X?
That's right, not Gen X.
It just got me interested at a young age ofwell, what's that about?
And that looks to some extent we're havingfun.
So it's, it's always stuck with me as aninterest but never really took it up to the

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point where obviously we might get to it alittle bit where me and Ruth met and things
developed with us too when we got the abilityto go,
yeah, we can do this and we can go out and dothat.
So. But yeah, it's always from a childhood.
It's always like romantic stories, films,
books, that type of thing.

Speaker A (03:33):
Right, so before I get to you, Ruth, so Jamie, did you.
Can you tell me about your first paranormalexperience and what happened during it?

Speaker B (03:43):
As I say a lot of things I probably wouldn't notice what happens around me to some
extent maybe it's just my personality, I don'tknow.
But I never really went looking for it.
I probably had environments which felt spookyto me.
I was in like maybe a historical building andI've had.
Had where we've been to Levins hall onholiday.

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I've been in those type of really historicalsort of 1700 buildings where you get.
You're in a certain corridor and we're in acertain room and you sense something that
doesn't feel right and it's senses differentto the room you went before.
But I never really picked up on anything apartfrom that feeling, that sense.
I didn't really know what it was.
I know I was in an old house but it was only

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recently where we did a investigation at thetown hall near us.
And I was walking down the corridor which ledfrom the old mansion house to what would have
been the servants quarters which was a modernbuilding.
And I was just looking on my app on me, on themobile phone we were using just to set a few

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things up for later on.
And I just looked down the corridor and I sawa figure move in front of me from left to
right and again it was.
And again many people would probably
experience it.
It's a moment where you think, did I seesomething?
You sort of, you're not 100% sure, but youthink I'm sure.
I saw an old woman walk from one side of theroom to the other and then when I got down to

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the bottom of the corridor it was two doorsbut the right hand door was locked and there
was nobody in the building at the time.
We just know that.
So it was one of those where I'm sure 100% Isaw something, but I'm still skeptic.
It's like.
It's one of those where I can't explain it,
but that was my first proper feel ofsomething.

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And then we've got some good photographiccaptures as well, which we've led on from
that.
But that was my first proper.
I'm now ghost hunting and that was when I wasactually looking for something.
Maybe in the past I felt something but notactually seen anything.

Speaker A (05:43):
Yeah. Right. So, Ruth, how about you?
What.
What, you know, made you like the paranormal
and get into it?What's your first experience?

Speaker C (05:52):
Well, similar childhood.
That's the book.

Speaker A (05:58):
Nice.

Speaker C (06:00):
It was always sort of a fashion stroke fascination that I had with my dad when
I was a little girl.
He used to like tell me stories.
It used to tell me about waking up and his dadwas on the end of his bed, you know, things
like that.
And we had.
I don't know, we've still got it.
It's a really big thing.

Speaker B (06:17):
Big thick storybook.

Speaker C (06:18):
Big thick ghost book I've still got.

Speaker B (06:19):
Now that was my dad's actual UK locations.

Speaker C (06:22):
Yeah, UK location.
It's got photos in know, not a well known
photo, things like that.
And I've still got it to this day.
And I used to just look through it and I'd be
absolutely fascinated but scared at the sametime.

Speaker A (06:33):
Yeah.

Speaker C (06:34):
But when I was a child I used to hear voices a lot and I never told anybody at
the time, but I used to like my name beingcalled, things like that.
And I can remember I was talking about thisearlier, you know, the.
The like the black hat man, like phenomena.

Speaker A (06:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker C (06:55):
I can remember I must have been between 8 and 10 and we lived.
Way to explain it.
Are you familiar with the show Coronation
Street?

Speaker A (07:02):
Yeah, yeah, sure.

Speaker C (07:03):
The house I lived in was very similar to that.
Like a terraced house, like those kind ofhouses where we had like.
It wasn't really a garden, it was like abackyard.
And I can remember looking out, my bedroomwindow was at the back and I remember looking
out into the yard and I could see that's whatI saw.
And I thought it was my dad, but my dad thencame into my bedroom, so he was in the house.

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So that was a bit like.
What was that?
I just.
And it was like a silhouette, man, you know,
with the hat.
And I can remember being laid in bed another
time and I Felt somebody grabbed me ankles.
And I remember just.
Yeah, I can remember just pulling my legs up,
like up into me like that, like fetal positionalmost and just like covers around me and
thinking, just go away.

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And that's what I used to say in my mind whenI used to hear these voices calling my name.
I just used to be like, quietly go away, goaway.
And it'd stop.
And then that was that.
I didn't really.
I didn't think it was paranoid.
I didn't know what it was.
But it, it sort of freaked me out a little bit
when I was a child and it wasn't till yearsand years later probably.
How long ago was this?About three years ago.

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I had a reading with.
You'll have heard of Ian Lawman, Will.
Yeah.
From.

Speaker A (08:11):
No, I haven't.

Speaker B (08:12):
Okay.

Speaker C (08:13):
He's quite a well known, very well known psychic medium.
Is on a television program over here calledHelp My House is Haunted.

Speaker A (08:20):
Okay.

Speaker C (08:21):
It's a fantastic medium.
And I had a reading with him and it's, you
know, telling me and then he suddenly said,you hear voices?
And I was like, okay.
And I said, well, I used to do.
But I'd never told anybody because like, youknow, I just didn't.

Speaker B (08:35):
Yeah, it's not something kids over the.

Speaker C (08:38):
Years, oh, by the way, I hear voices.
So. And I was absolutely floored me when hecome out with that because I was like, wow,
that confirmed it.
Do you know what I mean?
So I used to have like,
yeah, lots of likes, like I said, those typeof experiences as a child.
But I've always been fascinated with ghostsand things like that.
One of my favorite films when I was a littlegirl was High Spirits.

(09:00):
You know, things like that.

Speaker A (09:02):
Yeah, right.

Speaker C (09:03):
Yeah, it's.
And led to where we are today.

Speaker B (09:06):
That's right.

Speaker A (09:07):
Yeah. I love that.
So let me, let me take you guys back.
Okay.
You guys, when you first meet, who was the
first to say,
hey, I'm into the paranormal?And then did the other person go, you're in
the paranormal.
So am I. I mean, how did that happen when you
guys first meet?I'm, I'm, I'm very curious to that.

Speaker B (09:27):
Well, it started off as a sale, as we do because we met what, eight, nine years
ago?Eight years.

Speaker C (09:33):
Eight years ago this year.
This summer.

Speaker B (09:35):
Eight years ago this summer we met and I suppose we were looking at things to do
so as you do going out and doing differentthings.
But there's this place that you're very fondof from where you live in or where you come
from.
And born in Doncaster.

Speaker C (09:48):
It's called Cusworth Hall.

Speaker B (09:50):
It's like a Downton.
You know Downton Abbey on the TV show Downton
Abbey, it's a smaller version of that, butit's that type of.

Speaker C (09:57):
Building, battery rights and family.

Speaker B (09:59):
So it's got a lot of history.

Speaker C (10:00):
Hundreds.

Speaker B (10:02):
So you, you always used to again go up there with your dad and look around the
house and the garden.

Speaker C (10:08):
When I was at school we'd go like on visits there and things like that.
So it's.
And even years later I worked in schools, I
was like a teaching assistant and we, we'dtake the kids on school trips there and things
like that.
So even like years later I was still goingback.
I used to take my dogs there every day, youknow, on walks and things like that.
And then I moved across here where we are now,which is about half an hour away.

Speaker B (10:32):
Yeah, it's not far at all, is it really?
Yeah, well, no, at the time we were lookingfor things to do and, and one of the things
was it was a ghost night, a simply ghost nightorganization was having a.
In an investigation there.
So we booked ourselves on.
So we saw.
Shall we do that?
Because then we, then we realized, yeah, it'ssomething of interest for both of us.

Speaker C (10:55):
TV shows that you can watch.
So we'd have already been like, oh, I love
that, let's watch this.

Speaker B (11:02):
What's the other one building?

Speaker C (11:04):
Oh, Most Haunted.

Speaker B (11:05):
Yeah, it was Most Haunted, which is obviously a UK that's been on for years and
years and years.
So we've obviously discussed things like that.
So we knew that was an interest there.
But because it was so local and on ourdoorstep at the time, he says, oh, let's book
ourselves into for a night of investigationthere.
So it was what, 8:00 till 2:00 in the morning.

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And I had another thing up my sleeve as well.
Or I was planning that during the course of
the night I was going to propose to you.
So I proposed at the same time as having the
investigation.

Speaker A (11:38):
That's so sweet.

Speaker B (11:39):
It was interesting time and it was a really good investigation night as well.
It was scary for you as well.

Speaker C (11:48):
So much happening physically felt like a full body.
It's hard to explain.

Speaker B (11:53):
We were doing a hands on round a table.
So there was eight people around a table whichwere trying to do communication with a spirit
that was well known within one of the rooms.
It was a cheeky, cheeky spirit called Norman.
Called Norman.
But normally when these guys go to that venueit does interact, interact with the Actual,
the people that call out to it, so they weredoing table tipping, moving the table around.

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We hadn't done anything like that before.
And we were amazed about how much that table
moved left and right on one table, one leg.
It was quite surprising, I know that there'sagain, skeptics on table tipping and movements
of tables.
So again,
it was entertaining and I. It was enjoyablebeing part of that.

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But at the same time, we were sat behind withour backs to a glass display cabinet which had
a lot of.
So there was nobody behind us, nobody couldsqueeze past us.

Speaker C (12:49):
Gap was like.

Speaker B (12:50):
Yeah. Inches.
And you, as I say, you felt you into the back
of yourself, like.

Speaker C (12:56):
Leaning right again behind entire back.
And I just jumped up and went, there'ssomebody behind me.
And I physically could physically feel it.

Speaker B (13:05):
Yeah. And that was at the very start of the day.

Speaker C (13:07):
So that sort of like, freaked me a bit.
So I was such a familiar place.
I was quite on edge that night, wasn't I?

Speaker B (13:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker C (13:14):
I'm not as bad now.

Speaker B (13:16):
You got used to it now.

Speaker A (13:17):
Yeah,
yeah.
So that was my question.
When I see husband and wives who investigatethe paranormal together, one of the things is
that the women tend to be sometimes emotional.
Like something happens and it kind of sounds
like that.
Ruth, have you ever had a time where you hadto leave an investigation or an area you were

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in where you got really emotional and don'tknow why?

Speaker B (13:44):
Yeah, literally that night we were.
We did that and then we moved to another area
where we did voice, spirit box type ofcommunication.
And some of the words now came through werequite relevant to the environment we were in
and the area we were in.
So that was interesting.
That was okay, wasn't it?
Then we moved into another area which was thedomestic servants kitchen.

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They did a Ouija board again,
which I took.
I took part in because I just.
I was just interested.
And we got movement on the glass.
It was spelling things out again.
You never know who's moving it.
I always think, well, we've discussed this inthe past.
The only way we could, we could probablyofficially do a spirit, a Ouija board is with
people you trust.

Speaker C (14:26):
Yeah.

Speaker B (14:27):
People you know.
Well, yeah, because we've been to a few
investigations and we know that you.

Speaker C (14:32):
Can see the pressure.

Speaker B (14:33):
Yeah. You can see it was a family event, family organized event.
And you had people in the family on the Ouijaboard with you.
And I was so surprised.
Well, I wasn't surprised how much that we.
That that glass was moving around and sayingwhat it wanted to say.

Speaker C (14:50):
Looking at the finger, yeah.

Speaker B (14:52):
Say we're very skeptic on that side.
You've got to be with people you trust, Ibelieve, to make sure that what you're asking
and what you're getting is genuine.
So we did all those things and then we went
back upstairs after a break and we were goingto do another table tipping session with
communication.
The lights were turned down so it was nearenough pitch black.

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In the room itself was a Victorian hearse.
Victorian hearse carriage.
So that really added to the atmosphere and theenvironment, which was, which was good.
But then that was when you got reallyemotional.

Speaker C (15:26):
I was just.

Speaker B (15:26):
So you just wanted to leave the room?

Speaker C (15:29):
Explain it.
Even today, I can't.
I can't explain my reaction of how I wasfeeling that night.
It was weird, wasn't it?

Speaker B (15:38):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker C (15:38):
Because like I say, it's a place I'm so familiar with and I love that place.
And I was like, I was.
I turned to Jamie and I said, I want to come
out.
I can't, I can't.
I need to come out.
So you go, and it's all right, it's okay.
And I'm like, no, I need to come out.
But then you took me onto the landing and Iwas all a bit shaky.
Shaky and like, careful.

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And that's when I decided to pop the question.

Speaker B (16:02):
I just said, close your eyes, relax.

Speaker A (16:04):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (16:07):
When she opened her eyes, my ring was there to say, yeah.
Will you marry me?

Speaker C (16:10):
Wow.

Speaker A (16:11):
Talk about a 1, 2.
It's like, that's right.
Oh, my God, I'm so emotional.

Speaker C (16:15):
It was prepared.
You want to get married in the box?
I opened the box and it was all lit up, youknow, it had a light in it.
So it's.
Come prepared.

Speaker B (16:24):
Yeah, but.

Speaker C (16:25):
And I was just all a bit.

Speaker B (16:26):
Like, I thought, I'll get you while you're scared.
Yeah, I see.

Speaker A (16:30):
That's so sweet.
You guys are, believe it or not, the second
couple I heard that asked their wife to, youknow, well, fiance, whatever you want to say,
to marry them during an investigation, which Ithink is hilarious because I never heard about
it before.
It's usually they're married.
A couple's married for a while and they're
like, hey, let's.

(16:51):
I really love the paranormal.
You love the paranormal.
Let's.
Let's investigate some places together, seehow it goes.
Yeah,
that.
I love that.
That's a beautiful story.
So let me ask you this, Jamie.
Do you ever feel, as her husband, you have toprotect her, do you ever feel like, hey, man,
like, bring it to me, demon, spirit orwhatever.

(17:11):
Do you ever feel like that or.

Speaker B (17:13):
No, no. Again, I'm not too sure on.
I believe in energy and.
But I don't believe in the devil or evil.

Speaker A (17:23):
Okay.

Speaker B (17:24):
I believe in good.
Good energy, bad energy.
Maybe a bad grumpy person that's been, youknow, I mean, it's, it's in the spirit world.
A person can be grumpy, they can be evil.
Whether or not it's demonic, whether it's ademon, I don't get that.
Maybe I haven't felt, you know, I've doneenough investigations to come across that yet.

(17:44):
People may say that they can feel demonspirits, but on an investigation, I suppose
what we tend to do, we tend to stick togetherfor a while and then I tend to wander off.
I tend to go down the dark corridor, I tend togo somewhere.
Somewhere which is sort of, I don't know, alittle bit scary, I suppose.

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Sometimes I'm thinking, well, yeah, we're herenow.
I used to get really frustrated when I used towatch TV shows where the investigators went
into an environment and as soon as they sawsomething or heard something, they'd run away.
And I'm thinking, what's the whole point ofyou being where you are is to investigate and
be part of it and experience it.

(18:26):
So I sort of go looking for it a little bit,
but then I have to be careful that I don'tleave Ruth on her own, because me being on my
own sometimes could leave you,
but I've not really done that.
I've always made sure that we're in a group.
If I do go off and Ruth's with somebody.

Speaker C (18:42):
I know it has happened before, though, but what we tend to do, say if we're
on TikTok and we'll.
When we're live streaming and if Jamie goes
up, we'll split screen.
And there.
There's been a couple of occasions we've been
in a certain location and I've sort of felt,
well,
yeah, like a bit funny or a bit strange.

Speaker B (19:00):
And I like, communicate back to each come back.

Speaker C (19:03):
Yeah, I'll say to everybody, jump over to Jamie and tell him to come back.
You know, we've got walkie talkies now, so wedo that now, but there's been a couple of
occasions where I've just not felt right orjust not felt right enough.
I've had to get him to come back.

Speaker B (19:19):
Yeah, we've been learning, as I say, as we grow and as we do more, because
we've done the sort of investigationourselves.
For just under a year now, aren't we?So as you, as, as you're doing it more on your
own or in smaller groups, you get to know whatto do,
how to behave of what equipment to take withyou.
So as you say.
Yes, we're a lot more attuned to when.

(19:41):
When it feels right to do something and whenit doesn't.

Speaker A (19:44):
Yeah. Have you ever felt, either of you.
Have you ever felt you brought something backwith you from an investigation?
Like a spirit attached themselves to you?

Speaker C (19:54):
No, no, no, I don't think so.

Speaker B (19:58):
Not. Not.

Speaker C (19:59):
We've brought things back anyway, because we've got items.

Speaker B (20:03):
So we have items with attachments, aren't we?
Potentially.

Speaker C (20:07):
But potentially we are living with spirits.

Speaker B (20:10):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker C (20:11):
From the items that we have, which doesn't overly bother me.

Speaker A (20:15):
No. So. No, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker C (20:19):
I'm saying the only time is, I suppose it ever does, like, crosses my mind in
a different way because sometimes Jamie has towork away, don't you?

Speaker A (20:26):
Yeah.

Speaker C (20:27):
And like, sometimes that.
To go to Dubai and places like that.
And when he's gone, like, they're quite faraway.
Sometimes I think,
you know, like, I feel.
I feel slightly uneasy.
But then I just think, don't be daft, becauseI think what we do have.
There's nothing negative.

Speaker B (20:43):
No, there's nothing that feels negative.

Speaker C (20:45):
Nothing that feels negative.

Speaker B (20:46):
And I think if we did feel that negativity, I think then that item would be
going.
We wouldn't want.
Yeah, we would get rid of it, I think, quitequickly.

Speaker C (20:54):
Plus we've got my dad in the house, so.
And I think he's dad in.

Speaker B (20:58):
In spirit.
He believes we've got his ashes with us.
And there's various evidence we've had sort ofthat maybe clarifies that he's potentially
either with us or visits regularly.
So that probably gives you comfort.

Speaker A (21:11):
Yeah, it does, yeah.
Yeah.
That's great.
So did you say, Ruth, that you have cursed
dolls?Did you say that?

Speaker C (21:19):
We've got, We've got.
How many have we got?

Speaker B (21:22):
We've got 12 towels.
Yeah, 12.
There wasn't that many, but they slowly keepadding one or two at a time and I don't know
how or why.

Speaker A (21:32):
Jamie, what? You gotta say no, honey, stop.

Speaker B (21:36):
Exactly. We've got.
We've got a cabinet.
We bought a cabinet a while back and we didn'tknow what to do with it for ages and age.
It was empty.
It was like a.
Yeah.

Speaker C (21:44):
Vintage cabinet.

Speaker B (21:45):
Yeah. Vintage Victorian cabinet.
We like the look of it.
And then we started to put a Couple of itemsin and then it's slowly built now.
So that cabinet is full and it's half fullwith dolls and we can't get any more in there
now.
So hopefully that's it.
So it's a. It's a one in, one out swap now, I
think.

Speaker C (22:03):
I'm not saying that they've all got something attached to them, because I don't.

Speaker A (22:08):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker C (22:08):
I can't say that for definite.
I know some of them definitely have.
We've got four that have come from otherparanormal team and they're.
We've definitely get a lot of things fromthem.
With the newest, twoiest new ones that we'vegot is an old teddy bear, bless him, he's.
You call him Fred.

Speaker B (22:24):
Yeah, Fred Bear.

Speaker C (22:25):
Fred Bear.

Speaker B (22:25):
Because he's older diet.
Loved.

Speaker C (22:29):
And she's a Victorian doll, isn't she?

Speaker B (22:31):
Yeah, she is, yeah.

Speaker C (22:32):
Porcelain doll.
You know the.

Speaker A (22:34):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker C (22:35):
When you see the teeth, you know that touch in an antiques.
Went to an antiques.
Well, it's like a huge place.
And I just saw her and I thought, I need to
have her.

Speaker B (22:44):
Yeah. Called out to you.

Speaker C (22:46):
It called out to me.
So we need to work with them.

Speaker A (22:48):
You see me shaking my head.
Ruth cannot curse Styles and me, do not put me
in the same room with them because they freakme out.
Because my.
Like I used to when my grandma was alive, when
we visit my grandma,
she had a bunch of Victorian dolls.
And, you know, I was a little kid at that
time, so I'd wake up and see like these dollsjust staring at me, you know, freaky eyes,

(23:14):
little beady little eyes.
And that has stayed with me.
And I had a. It's.
It's funny because I had a couple like you whohave a bunch of dolls.
And the husband's like, I can't get her tostop, John.
She keeps buying these things.

Speaker B (23:28):
Yeah, I'm trying.

Speaker C (23:29):
I'm trying.

Speaker A (23:30):
Yeah. And the.
And the wife was like, bring it on, you're not
gonna scare me.
Come on.
She's.
She's a very.
She's from New York, so she's a New Yorkattitude.
If you're familiar with the Americanattitudes, New York is a very, like, bring it
on, I'm not scared of you attitude.

Speaker B (23:49):
Yeah.

Speaker A (23:49):
So bless your heart, Ruth.
I. I am not like, no, I can't do that.
And you know, again, like you said, if there'ssomething going on, obviously you're going to
get rid of the dolls or do something.
So that's really interesting.
So let me ask you this.
One of the biggest difference between Americanparanormal investigators and what I feel UK

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investigators are.
Here's one of the biggest things.
One, everything, in my opinion.
You have furniture in your country that's
older than the entire United States.

Speaker B (24:20):
Right.

Speaker A (24:21):
You have.
For example, when I talk to UK people, one at
one of my guests said, well, John, I used tolive in this apartment that right across from
my apartment is where they used to hangpeople, you know, for whatever reasons,
crimes, whatever.

Speaker B (24:35):
Yeah.

Speaker A (24:35):
And he said that some nights when he walked, he felt like people watching him
and other nights he did.
You know, in America, we typically do not have
that.
We have certain areas of the New England coast
which was settled by obviously people from.
Yes, yeah.
So they brought some of their culture over of

(24:57):
hanging and other things.
Criminal.
Criminal things.
And I love history, so I love the uk.
I just go crazy.
So that's a big difference.

Speaker C (25:06):
For.

Speaker A (25:06):
For me in America, I can find a number of haunted things.
But what I found out in the uk, it's prettymuch like we were talking offline.
Your pub is like, hey, where I grab a pint,there's a ghost in here.
We know there is, or we feel there is.
You know, that's one of the biggestdifferences that.

(25:28):
Does that make you guys like.
To me, it's like, where do you start?
Right, like, where do we start?How do you guys pick a location?
Like, how do you guys go, well, let's trythis, right?

Speaker C (25:39):
I don't know.
Because especially like where we live, there's
quite a few sort of historical areas that arepretty much on the doorstep.

Speaker B (25:48):
No, that's right.
And I think that's the case.
I think that's what we did when we firststarted going out ourselves.
The good thing was it was maybe summertime,spring, summer.
So we could go to the place, even if it wasoutdoors, if it was a ruins, if it was a
castle, if it was an area of interest, like, Idon't know, what do you call them, the sort of
out outdoor churches sort of areas.

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You could go and visit them and you can spendtime in there before it gets dark, so you
could look around it.
You get a feel for the place.
So we were doing them quite locally and thenwhen it got a bit darker, then obviously it
helps with the environment,
the setting, then you do your investigation.
So that's where we sort of started, didn't we,
with a few.
Few of us were now in groups or we were

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getting a feel of it.
And then we're.
We're members of the National Trust and the.
What they call It English Heritage, whichgives you passes to go to other, other castles
and other stately homes and historicalbuildings.
So there's a lot for us and then I suppose aradius can just get a little bit bigger.
So you start in say 20, 30, 40 mile radius andfor us in the UK obviously everything's a

(26:56):
little bit closer.
It's not as spread out.

Speaker A (26:59):
Yeah. So.

Speaker B (27:00):
And then we, we look at.
Well, we can go there.
It's a two hour drive.
But we'll do the two hour drive and have the
investigation and drive back.
We're prepared to do that now as well.
So we'll pick more areas of interest and maybeprepared to go further to visit.

Speaker C (27:16):
I mean we have got some all night ones coming up, you know, further away and
then we're staying overnight and that'sdifferent.
But for like just you know, sort of week toweek if we're going or evenings there is
places we can go to.
We, we are fortunate.
We've been able to sort of get a couple of
locations that are sort of under the radar.

(27:38):
But there's definitely things there.

Speaker B (27:39):
Yeah.

Speaker C (27:40):
And that's good because obviously like you've got a lot of your paid ones and
it's like, it's like literally 20 minutes downthe road from us is 30 East Drive.

Speaker B (27:49):
Yeah. Which I don't know if you're aware of that one.
That's.
That's a very well known track.

Speaker A (27:54):
Yes. I just did that one.
I just did that with.

Speaker C (27:57):
It's like 20 minutes away from our house.
But I'm not overly.

Speaker B (28:04):
We've heard different things about mixed sort.

Speaker C (28:07):
Of things about it.
About that place.
I'm not in a mad rush to go there.

Speaker B (28:12):
No.

Speaker C (28:12):
Because I just feel like it's oversaturated almost.

Speaker B (28:19):
And what energy is the energy resident or is the energy being brought in or
things.

Speaker C (28:24):
Because there's that happening that.
Yeah.

Speaker B (28:26):
Are real or not real.
There's so much now sort of unknown about the
place and when you see people go in there.
We've been told lots, lots of different
stories about if it is authentic.
If it is authentic or not.
It's something that would be interesting.
But it's.

Speaker C (28:42):
I'm not in a rush.

Speaker A (28:43):
No.

Speaker B (28:43):
We've got a castle.
We've got an old ruined castle in Wakefield
which is again 15 miles away from us.
Which was part of a walk.
15 minutes.
Yeah.
Which is War of the roses history.
Richard III's favorite castle that he used tovisit.
It's a ruin now but we can just go.
We could just rock up There, walk in and have

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a wander round and we can have a little bit ofan investigation, get a feel for it.
So we've got those type of things on ourdoorstep as well, which is really, really
nice.

Speaker C (29:13):
We've had a lot of things come through from there.

Speaker B (29:15):
Yeah.

Speaker C (29:16):
Historical things and talking about sword fights and fight.
I get a lot of things coming through.

Speaker A (29:24):
Absolutely.

Speaker C (29:25):
And there's like abbeys, you know, abbey ruins around here and things like that
that we can go.
There's all sorts of places, to be.

Speaker B (29:32):
Honest, because that's the thing with Henry viii, obviously, when the.
Is it.
See at the Church of England, so all the
monasteries and the monks.
The monks got surfed out of the abbeys and
then the abbeys obviously got sort of all themasonry, the timber sort of got taken away.
So there's lots of ruins around which we can.
Again, the history's there, but we can go and
explore.
So it's good.

Speaker A (29:52):
I love it.
I love.
By the way, I did have a guest on Chris.
He's from Strange States.
If you want to reach out to him, I can giveyou his information.
He went to the.
Well, the Black Monk of Pontefract.
He went to the house.
He did have an experience.

Speaker C (30:08):
Okay.

Speaker A (30:09):
He's. He still questions it, like you guys.

Speaker B (30:12):
Yeah.

Speaker A (30:13):
He wasn't really sure about it, but he had an experience where Fred is the ghost
that they, I guess, has been named in thathouse that likes to roll a ball from.
From under the bed.
And he had that happen to him where this ball
was rolling from under the bed.
And he talks about it in my episode.
You're more than welcome to listen to it.

(30:33):
Like I said, it's Chris from Strange State.
And he talks about going to the owner or
whoever, the guy's running it, and he's like,oh, that's a funny trick.
That's, you know, come on, what are you guysdoing?
And the guy was like, nope, I'm not doinganything.
Why would I do anything?And he did all these things to try to debunk
it.

Speaker C (30:51):
Yeah.

Speaker A (30:51):
He was walking out of there going, I kind of believe it and I kind of don't.
But the one thing that you guys in the UK thatyou had, one of the most famous, that
everybody knows even here in the States, isthe Enfield Poltergeist.

Speaker B (31:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker A (31:07):
Which I believe is half truth, you know what I mean?
Because there's that famous.
That famous picture of the little girl
floating in the air.
Right.
I mean, I've talked to people who know thingsabout photography and Everything.
And they're like she was jumping.
That's actually jumping.
That is not someone care.

(31:28):
But yeah, there's a lot of things with it.
Go ahead.

Speaker C (31:31):
Yeah, I. Is it not.
I'm sure it came out in interview because she
was called Janet, wasn't she?

Speaker B (31:36):
Yeah. She's still alive.

Speaker C (31:38):
Did she not? Because there was program on TV not so long
ago and did she not admit that her.
Is it.
Her and her sister did make some of it up, butsome of it was genuine.

Speaker B (31:48):
It was the fact.
I suppose it's.
Yeah.
As you say, there's genuine history there of
the place because the reporter that was thathe was there for a long time wanting to
investigate in the family.
Yeah.
And there was lots of things where they'vetalked about LEGO bricks floating in the air
and being thrown through the roof and theycan't take photographs that quickly, even back

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then.
And then obviously the photographs were notthe same as our cameras nowadays.
So it's like one snap, one snap, one snap, onesnap.
So it will be a jump,
it won't be a float.
So I think what we were experiencing was
probably distressing in that and probably someof the things couldn't be explained.
Now whether or not there was a little bit of.
Oh, we're getting a lot of attention.

(32:31):
So let's elaborate on it a little bit more.
It's hard to know, but as I say, it's a veryinteresting case and a very interesting study.
That it'll always be that area of doubt andalways be the what ifs.

Speaker A (32:43):
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's what makes the paranormal fun.
Right.
That's what makes it interesting for you to go
out and do say, well, I found the problem.
It's this or that.
Because I have a lot.
In America, they do a lot of residential.
My paranormal investigators do a lot of.
Not a lot of residents, but they do.
And a lot is debunked.

(33:03):
A lot of it's just, hey, your pipes.
You need new pipes.

Speaker B (33:07):
Yeah.

Speaker A (33:08):
Or you know, you're.
Something's going on with your furnace or
something's going on with this.
But there are some that have told me they
can't explain it.
They just can't.
There's no way.
They've talked to me about someone they feltbeing possessed, but they didn't know if it
was that person needed therapy.
There's some type of mental disability and

(33:31):
there are people like that where they go inand the person just has some mental
disability.
But they're seeing shadows, they're seeingthings move and they're not really shadows or
things moving.
And it's hard because a lot of my paranormal
investigators here in the States have told methey've stopped because they don't want to
tell people,
it's your furnace, it's your.

(33:52):
And then people go, no, no, no, no, no.
They'll still want that shadow.
I still want to.
There's that shadow.
And then you got to be explained to them, hey,
maybe you should seek therapy or seek sometype of help, see a doctor.
And people don't want to hear that, right?They just don't.
And that's tough, right?Yeah.

Speaker B (34:10):
Sometimes it could be an attachment that they want to have.
It could be a relative that's communicatingwith them or they feel that it is, or it's
something they want to cling on to.
So, as you say, it can be.
It's best to maybe just back off and let them.
If it's a positive thing for them, let themhave that positive feel, I suppose.

Speaker A (34:27):
Absolutely.

Speaker B (34:27):
Yeah.

Speaker A (34:28):
Yeah. If it's not hurting anybody.

Speaker B (34:30):
Right.

Speaker A (34:31):
It's just.
Yes. So let me ask you this.
One of the other big differences with
paranormal investigators from the UK andAmerica is the Estes method.
Are you familiar with the Estes method, whereyou put goggles on and, you know, you close
yourself off?
Have you guys ever tried that?Or what is your belief in that?

Speaker C (34:51):
Yeah, we've tried it a couple of times.

Speaker A (34:53):
Yeah.

Speaker B (34:53):
Yeah, we have.
And again, I think it was interesting becausewe both did it where one was in the chair and
the other person was obviously listening tothe messages being recalled back, weren't we?
So I think I sat down on the stage once andwas calling out at times.
And then you did it as well, didn't you?And they seemed to be.

Speaker C (35:13):
Our friend Steve did it.

Speaker B (35:14):
Yeah, our friend Steve did it, so.
And it was quite weird because you were just
shouting things out for no real reason to someextent.
And then when you take your headphones off andthat and you talk to the people, it seemed
relevant.
Or there was a few times, weren't they, wherethey sort of connected.

Speaker C (35:29):
Yeah, I felt.
Because we did.
The first time we did it, we tried it, we werein this old theater, and that was.
That was really good.

Speaker B (35:35):
Yeah, we were sat on the stage.
The first one with the headphones on was on
the stage on a chair.

Speaker C (35:39):
In the middle of the stage with, like, you know, and we were, like, away and
asking the questions, you know, and then,like, say, you did it first, didn't you?
Yeah, but when I did it, I felt like somebodyWas touching my leg.

Speaker B (35:49):
Yeah. And that's the thing I said, the same time you felt somebody was touching
your leg, I was asking the spirit to touchroof.
And then I asked, can you touch her in acertain location on a certain side?
And that was a side that you got touched onthere.

Speaker C (36:03):
But yeah, that really coincidence or.

Speaker B (36:06):
Again, I don't know.
What we.
What we find is coincidence seems to play alot of, you know,
a lot of the time when we're doing things,there's a lot of things that happen that
seems.
Well, that's a very, very strange coincidence.
It could happen another time in anotherscenario for that particular period of time,
or what we were doing.

(36:26):
It was very strange that that happened.
And that's what we tend.
Well, we have found that when we investigate.

Speaker A (36:32):
Interesting.
So before we get to the topic, I always have
to ask this questions to married paranormalinvestigators.
Me and my wife, we fight.
Couples fight.
Right?Have you ever been on an.
Have you ever been on an investigation whereyou guys are like, ruth May, you going, Jamie,
stop.
What are you doing?
And then Jamie's like, what are you doing?Where's the equipment?

(36:53):
What are you.
And then hear maybe a spirit later.
Go, will you guys shut up?
Anything like that.

Speaker B (37:00):
We should try that.
We should get the energy enough for the actual
spirit to communicate back.

Speaker C (37:05):
Things tend to happen, though, when.

Speaker B (37:07):
When you've got.

Speaker C (37:08):
When you're not good energy, when you're chatting away, you do tend to find
things happen.

Speaker B (37:13):
We've done that where funny.
It was at a pub and it's recently been
advertised on TikTok that the landlord saysour pub's haunted.
Come in, come and see.
So we managed to get there.
We were just.
We were setting up, weren't.
We weren't recording or anything like that.
And the light was going on and off.

Speaker C (37:30):
Getting a bit stressed.

Speaker B (37:31):
We're getting a bit stressed because we, like.
It was nine, it was nine o'clock and we needto get ready.
We told everybody we're going to be online fornine.

Speaker C (37:37):
We got there and there was the, like, double booked.
So there was another team there as well.

Speaker B (37:42):
So that sort of like agitated us a little.

Speaker C (37:44):
But then we had to go to, like, we had to talk to them and that, work out where
to go.
And then, you know, so it was.

Speaker B (37:51):
Like we were panicking a bit just to try and get ourselves organized.
It was a little bit.
Well, where's this?
Oh, it's in that bag.
It's not in that bag, it's that bag.
So we were setting that up.
Weren't we?
Yeah.
And I said the light was, was, was going off
and then when the, the people that they ownedthe place said that light goes off a lot and
we can't explain it.

Speaker C (38:09):
Why did you turn the light on?

Speaker B (38:12):
Where we've.
We've had that experience but another time
when we talk about objects, we have a littleball, a little stress ball, when you're
talking about the ball rolling back underneaththe bed.
And we've had some of the most interestingexperiences with that ball over time.
Where we had gone to Matlock Bath, which wasagain a theatre, an old Victorian theatre.

(38:37):
Matlock is a place in Derbyshire,
middle of the uk.
And we'd gone into a room, it was us two and
there was another four or five ladies and weput a few items on the centre of the table and
it was a marble table.
So very solid, a very solid floor.
The room was closed off, the door was shut, no
breeze, no nothing.

(38:58):
And we were just having a laugh.
We were just asking things to happen.
We weren't getting a lot of.

Speaker C (39:02):
Not much.

Speaker B (39:03):
It was nothing.
So we were sort of having a bit of a laugh.
It was a bit cold, so we said, oh, let's holdhands around this table.
And we were a distance off the table and we'lljust do ring a ring and roses.
Because it was rumors of children meant to bein that area.
Kids, child had been seen.
Oh, we did that.
We all hold hands and we all had a gigglebecause we were holding hands and we were

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going to do an old fashioned nursery rhyme.

Speaker C (39:25):
No, I think we all felt a bit silly.

Speaker B (39:27):
Yeah, a bit silly.
Like we're all, we're all sort of like adults
doing this.
But we felt walked over the hill.
That's part of the fun.

Speaker C (39:35):
We were just, in a way.
And one of the ladies said, I really wish
something had happened like that ball.
I wish that ball had moved.

Speaker B (39:42):
And then literally the ball moved into.
Yeah.

Speaker C (39:45):
Minute later, the ball just rolled ever so slightly on the table and stopped.

Speaker B (39:49):
Yeah. And it been sat there for 20 minutes and we've got it.
We've managed to crack it on camera.

Speaker C (39:55):
He was filming and he caught that bit.

Speaker B (39:57):
Yeah. It literally turned the camera on just beforehand.
So we've got evidence of it moving and theexcited woman saying that and we're all
looking and it moved across.
But that was brought up by energy.
We feel the energy and, and we were praisinghaving a giggle each other and.
Yeah.

Speaker C (40:14):
And just all chatting at this point and not really, you know, focusing on.

Speaker B (40:18):
What was going on.

Speaker C (40:19):
And then Something happened.

Speaker A (40:21):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker C (40:22):
And we've had.

Speaker A (40:25):
Yeah, go on.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker C (40:27):
I was just gonna say because with that ball again, we went to this and we're
going back this month.
It's an old colliery.

Speaker B (40:33):
Yeah.

Speaker C (40:33):
So an old mine.
And in the little.
It's like a little cottage there.
That's part of it.
And we're inside the cottage.
And again, it was a table.
Table.
Little glass table.
It's technically like a patio that you'd have,
you know, for outdoor furniture.
And it's like glass, but the, the glass islike that.
It's not flat, but it's all beveled.

(40:55):
And so it'd have to go over bumps, really.
We had cat balls going off on demand and that.
We put that, that little ball on this table
and it moved one way and then moved anotherset.
And we were like, oh, my God.

Speaker B (41:07):
Because for it to actually move, it needed some.
Needed some energy to get.

Speaker C (41:11):
Because the last day it was like bumpy.
It would, you know, to get over.

Speaker B (41:15):
Yeah. Over the bumps.

Speaker C (41:16):
And it literally.
It didn't come off the table.
It like rolled slightly along one way and thenchanged direction, rolled another way.
And it was, you know, it wasn't flat.
No one was near it or anything like that.

Speaker B (41:26):
Closed off room.
It was not.

Speaker C (41:27):
But again, it had been on this table a while.

Speaker B (41:30):
Yeah.

Speaker C (41:30):
And then it happened.

Speaker B (41:31):
And they're just like.
They're the interesting things.
They're the things that we can't reallyexplain.
You can't understand because it was like, ifit rolled at any time at all in that 20
minutes when we didn't ask it to roll, thenyou go, okay, why is it rolling?
But when you actually ask something to rolland then within.
Because again, we've had these conversationswhen you ask for something, evidence, or you

(41:51):
ask for something to happen, you don't expectit to happen.
Maybe straight away, you can't expect maybe aspirit to go, okay, well, you've said that.
I'll do that.
There must be a period of time from.
That's.
How long do you allow something from.
You ask something to.
Something to actually occur.

Speaker C (42:06):
Yeah.

Speaker B (42:07):
Is it.
Is it 5 seconds?
30 seconds?Is it a minute?

Speaker C (42:11):
Is it 5?

Speaker B (42:12):
It's one of those.
But when you ask a fall to move and then
within say 10 seconds, it moves and it's beensat on the table for 20 minutes untouched, not
moving.
It's. It just.
Yeah. Hard to explain what's going on there.

Speaker A (42:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So just one thing before we get to our topic.
You brought up something.
I Think is fascinating, which I love.
So Gettysburg, obviously, you've guys heard ofGettysburg.

Speaker B (42:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker A (42:36):
You guys.
I don't know what you would call it your
equivalent to the UK version, but being thatit was, you know, you guys probably have two
or three things as equivalent to that.
But anyway, Gettysburg is the place that mostof my paranormal investigators love going to.
Been multiple times.
Because you always have an experience.

Speaker B (42:55):
Yeah.

Speaker A (42:56):
Because over a hundred thousand people were killed in a sized, you know, like
a couple acres of land.
Right.
So imagine the death and the horror that's
just in that area.
All that energy of people just living, taking
their last breath.

(43:17):
Or maybe they.
Right.
It's just crazy.
So when people go there always have
experiences and there's a number of like, innsthat people go to.
And one of my favorite stories that if thisever happens to you, and it seems kind of like
it happened to you with the ball,
there was.
They kept on being poked.
So by, you know, like maybe, you know, whenyou're waking each other up in the morning,

(43:38):
come on, honey, we got to go to work.
Come on, come on, come on.
You're poking, poking, poking each other.
That's what happened to them.

Speaker B (43:44):
Yeah.

Speaker A (43:44):
And when they finally had to say, will you stop?
We need to sleep, it stopped.
Now, to me, that's crazy, but it's amazing.
But how do you explain it, right?How do you explain that it's not a dream?
Because they were two.
Two of the paranormal investigators were in
that room.
They could see the sheets moving and they

(44:05):
could feel being poked.
But.
But it's really hard for you.
You know, they tried, you know, they would.
Did some recordings of it, but it was like,
how do you.
You know what I mean?
Because people can say, oh, you're justmoving.
You just move in the sheet.

Speaker B (44:18):
You just.

Speaker A (44:19):
You're just taking it.
Right?
But they say, you know, and that's amazing tome because in this inn was one of the few
civilians who were killed during Gettysburg.
It was a woman.
She was in her house at the time, which is nowan inn, and a stray bullet came through there
and killed her instantly.
She was just looking out the window watching

(44:40):
the battle, and a stray bullet, bam, killedher.
She instantly fell dead.
You know what I mean?
So that's here.
Obviously, in the uk you've had the.
The Black plague.
You've had wars and on and on and on and on
and.
Yeah, and it's.
Right.
Yeah, it's.
It's interesting, right?

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That's what's fascinating.

Speaker B (45:02):
Close to us as well.
Again, Maybe half an hour's drive is the city
of York.

Speaker C (45:06):
Yeah.

Speaker B (45:08):
Which was a Roman city as well.
So as well as being like connected to Richard
III and.
And things like that, it's got.
It's a walled city.
So it was a castle wall all the way around it.
And it's got the Golden Fleece pub.
So there's another pub which is haunted.
There's lots of other sort of sky folks, butthere's been a couple of reports of Roman

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cavalry armies been seen marching in an area.
There was a guy who was doing some buildingwork in a cellar underground, under.
Under a building in.
In York.
And he was.
He was just working, walking away and all he
could hear was outside of here was somemarching and I think horses and he didn't know
what it was.
And all of a sudden in front of him wascenturions marching from a knee upwards.

Speaker C (45:54):
That's all he could see.

Speaker B (45:55):
That's all he could see, the lower legs or the feet walking past him for a period
of time.
Obviously he was spooked.
He went upstairs and obviously said to therest of his mates, I saw this.
And they said, oh, you're having a laugh.
But then we did some historical sort of routes
and he noticed that in the.
They could.
The path of the Roman road that would leadinto.

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Into York was exactly where they were whenthey were doing it was lower.

Speaker C (46:21):
Down, so it was lower down.
So their feet or the lower legs, because
that's why you could only see.

Speaker B (46:26):
Them from the knee up.
And then that was replaced.
Reported not just by him, but was a laterreport by somebody else that had experienced
the same thing.
And again, they talk about the magnetic tape
theory, the stone tape theory of a loop of anyof something.
And again, that's probably part of it.
So, yeah, there's that.
And we.
That's why we take trigger objects sometimes

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with us.
If we go to a particular area of that type of
thing.
We've got a couple of World War II items.
So I've got a gas mask from my grandparents
that comes up.
Yeah.
And we've got a little.

Speaker C (46:58):
It's called.
They call it a thumbs up.
It's basically.

Speaker B (47:01):
It was a little lucky charm.

Speaker C (47:03):
It's jump to go and get it to show you it.
It's hard.

Speaker A (47:06):
Yeah, that'd be great.
Yeah, that'd be great.
Yeah, no problem.

Speaker B (47:11):
So, yeah, so it's like little things like that where again, we've got the.
Obviously that.
The attached items, but we take the unattached
items as well to see if they Obviously bringattention to a spirit because I don't know,
again, you guys might find that one.
It's like.
I class it a bit like going fishing.
Sometimes you go and try and catch a fish andyou're in a lake and you try and catch

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something.
Can you just get nothing all day?
And then sometimes you catch two or threethings or something happens or.
Or you get amazing things happen.
So you have to take your different types of
equipment because you may be having to act ona different type of spirit.
But yeah, this little thing was given to us bya friend, wasn't it, Tom?

Speaker C (47:51):
And yeah, they actually put it in this jar, but it's.
I don't know.
I don't know if you.

Speaker A (47:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker C (47:58):
It's a little.
They call it a thumbs up.
And it was like wives or girlfriends or mumsand give it to the significant others that
were fighting in the First World War is like alittle good luck charm.

Speaker B (48:10):
Yeah. So they'd rub it.

Speaker A (48:11):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (48:12):
Carry it with them.

Speaker C (48:13):
Yeah, we've taken that to.
As well as a gas mask.

Speaker B (48:17):
Yes, gas mask.
It was a. In Sheffield again, near us.
It was a. An industrial area in the World WarII, so they built steel.
They were steel manufacturers, so obviouslyquite prominent to the war effort.
And it was the artillery sort of gunnerystation.
So they would be manned all the way throughWorld War II, obviously just to.

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To defend the city.
So we took this item and the gas mask to that
place and we got a lot of activity and namescome through and the World War II reference
and yeah,
a lot of military sort of reference aroundthat period come through.
And again, these are mobile phone apps.
So again, Necrometer, things like that, which

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again, I know is a talking point in the uk,maybe a talking point.
How good and how reliable is a mobile phoneand what those programs and software do, but
we tend to find is one we.
It's on airport mode, it's not on Bluetooth,
it's not on WI Fi, so it's very sort of adummy thing.
We tend to like to use them just for sparkingconversation and getting things going.

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So if words come up, it could be totallyrandom, it could be totally non specific to
the area, but it just helps the talking ratherthan just sat in a room quiet sometimes.
But on those occasions, certain things werecoming through that were relevant then to the
period and where we were and what we weredoing.
And then those things have never come up sincein any other things we've done.

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So it's like, well, why does it Come up onceand come relevant when you're in one place and
then not in another.
There's nothing advertising where we were wasrelevant to World War II.
We were in a big field.
So it was like the domains relevant so it
knows exactly where we are.
So it's going to feed you with that type ofinformation.
It was just a big field in Sheffield, so withsome shelters like where the people would

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sleep and the canteen and the bunkers where wewould obviously shelter from and things like
that.
Which again is interesting.

Speaker A (50:18):
Yeah, I love that and I love the history.
Unfortunately, it's a terrible history.
During World War II, bearing, you know,
Britain really took the brunt of the, youknow, the access and the Germans and
everything.
Like here, here in America, not so much exceptfor Pearl harbor and a couple things here and
there.
But mostly, you know, we were, we were pretty

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safe because at that time they did not havethe technology to fly over the entire.

Speaker B (50:46):
Yeah, you know, it's when you guys came to, to, to, to assist and.
Yeah.
And said D Day and everything else and you
got.
And everybody else around the world just came
and just.
Yeah. Did what you needed to do for it.

Speaker A (50:58):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
So guys, I don't know if.
Do you guys want to talk about the topic?We're coming up in an hour.
We can talk or we can move on.
However you guys like to do it.

Speaker B (51:09):
Well, we're free, we're easy, aren't we?
So however you want to do it, we can do whatyou want.

Speaker A (51:14):
Okay. All right, let's do, let's do the topic.
I was going to go too in depth to it becausethere's a lot on it.
But I, but I think it's really interestingespecially I know we, you were saying that's
kind of on your bucket list to check out.
So this is, I found this.
I thought it was absolutely fascinating.
And it's one of the most haunted prisons inthe world, my spooky friends.

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It's the Shepton Mallet Prison and it's againalso considered one of the most haunted
locations in the uk.
So you guys said that's on your bucket list ofchecking that out.
What I thought was really fascinating one.
It's 400 years old.

Speaker B (51:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker A (51:55):
It's one of the men it held your guys's most.
Well, our most high profile gangster was AlCapone.
You guys had the Cray Twins.

Speaker C (52:05):
Yeah.

Speaker A (52:05):
Which I, which I've seen the movie on.
They're kind of interesting guys.
Al Capone I thought was worse.
But whatever they're both.

Speaker B (52:13):
Yeah, I'd say.
Yeah. The Cray twins are a little bit smaller
in.
Yeah.
In. In Domain and character.

Speaker A (52:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because what Al Capone did in Chicago was.
It was terrible.
It was like, you know, you had to watch your
back everywhere you went.
But it has.
What's funny about this is when prisons inAmerica are the same way.
We've actually.
And I'm sure you filmed movies at this prison.
A lot of prisons, movies in and so on and soforth.

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But it's become the most visited spot for fansof dark tourism, by the way.
Dark tourism is where if you want to go andcheck out things like Ed Gein, he was our
serial killer here in Wisconsin, where he wasa cannibal and he was eating people and blah,
blah, blah, you can go on a tour in Milwaukee,Wisconsin, which is two hours away from me,
and see all the places he went and so on andso forth.

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It's weird that you want to do that.
Also it has.
You can ghost hunt and believe it or not, youcan get married there.
So if you guys want to get remarried, well,you may be.
There you go.
Now, I don't know the equivalent, but it is 69
pounds per person to go in here.

(53:25):
Okay, So I don't know what the equivalent toAmerican money, but is that expensive?
69 pounds.

Speaker B (53:33):
It depends.
What?
69 pounds for an investigation or just tovisit?

Speaker A (53:37):
It says for a 12 hour hour overnight stay in the Victorian cell.

Speaker B (53:42):
That's not for that.
A pin pinnacle of a place to go or one of the
most popular places to go.
That's not too bad.

Speaker A (53:51):
Yeah, not too bad.
Okay.
All right, good to know.
There you go.

Speaker C (53:55):
I'll say the average around about 50.

Speaker B (53:57):
40 to 40 to 50 pounds for maybe an 8:00 till 2:00.
So.

Speaker A (54:04):
Okay. Yeah, sure.
Yeah, great.
Okay, good to know for my UK listeners.
So it is Shepton a Mallet Prison, excuse my
American language, by the way, often referredto as Cornhill or the Mallet, housed its first
inmates 1625.
That's crazy.

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We weren't even a country.
America wasn't even a country then.
It's not one of the things, though.
It is a common misunderstanding according tomy research that the Shepton Mallet prison
dates back to 1610 as the Bridewell act waspassed.
Okay. I didn't do my UK history exam for todaythat year during king James the first reign,

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but that's not true.
It started in 1625.
So there you go.
However, there were already two goals in the
country two, excuse me, jails in the countryat this time, located in Ilchester and
Tarleton.
Okay, okay.
So there were already prisons already.
So this is like.
That's crazy.

(55:10):
But one of the things people say in thisprison, this is what happens.
It's paranormal activity is commonplacethroughout the prison.
Visitors and staff on often, often reportsightings and sounds that simply can't be
explained.
And one of the things, a little history behind
this I'll get into because I think it's alwaysinteresting.
So in 1617,

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they talked about how they're going to dothis, how they do a house of correction to be
constructed in the eastern division of thecounty.
So in 1624, Shepton Mallet was decided upon asthis location.
So again, they were thinking about how are wegoing to get these prisons and stuff.
And they put this all together.
Forget this, folks.
They built a prison for £160.

Speaker B (55:56):
It's amazing.

Speaker A (55:57):
That. Right? That's crazy.
So now they cost millions, obviously.
Whatever.
But anyway, they developed this housecorrection in this town and George.
Oh, boy.
I'm just gonna be really honest.
It's sheep.
Hey. S each.
S, H E E P H A Y E. How you pronounce that?

Speaker C (56:21):
Just spell it out again.
Sorry.

Speaker A (56:22):
Sure. S H E E P H A Y E. There we go.

Speaker B (56:36):
Yeah. All right.

Speaker A (56:37):
He became the first governor of the jail.
There we go.
We'll give him some credit, but during the
early years, it was, believe it or not, ratherprimitive conditions.
Yeah.
No kids.
Prisoners were not.
This is terrible.
Prisoners were not separated by theseriousness of their crimes.
And they put.

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Men, women and children were often held
together.
So think about someone who.
Who murdered somebody, could be with someonewho stole a loaf of bread.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (57:07):
They just didn't care.

Speaker A (57:08):
Yeah, they didn't care.
And children would be with maybe a rapist or
something, or a pedophile.
Didn't care.
They just put them, crammed them all in there.
Too bad.
Right?
Could you imagine how terrible that was?No wonder this prison is really haunted.

Speaker C (57:27):
Yeah.

Speaker A (57:27):
These children who can't defend themselves.
Right.

Speaker B (57:32):
It'd have been dog.
Dog eat doggeries, basically, survival of the
fittest.

Speaker A (57:37):
Yeah, absolutely.
So the poor conditions and the lack of wage
being paid to the jailers resulted in laxdiscipline and promiscuous and drunken
behavior.
So basically, they just let anybody doanything, you know, if you want to
unfortunately harm this woman, harmless child,a bunch of drunk guards who cared.

(58:00):
Right.
They beat each other.
You know, there was death.
No kidding.
Is haunted.
Right?

Speaker B (58:05):
Yeah.

Speaker A (58:06):
Jails are bad enough.
And just Imagine a jail where somebody can
just basically do what they want.
And I'm like.
And then, of course.
Yeah, right.
And they have primitive sanitation, led toregular outbreaks of diseases and different
fevers.
It's just.
And if you see this, if you guys ever go tothe jail, you have to let me know because I'd

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love to hear about it.
You know, it's just like basically a bucket.
Like, there it is, right.
And everybody went in that bucket.
And then water, you know, might be in another
bucket.
So if someone goes to the bathroom,
leaves themselves in the water bucket, you'redrinking that water.

Speaker B (58:47):
Yeah, yeah.
No choice.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker C (58:50):
Probably the only water you're gonna get.

Speaker B (58:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker A (58:53):
The other.
The other thing, too.
There was rather.
There was lengthy presence, the prison
sentences, you know, and also they hadcorporal and capital punishment.
So corporal punishments are basically.
You're flogged, you're basically going to die
anyway.
Half of the punishments is your kill.
You know, they hang you, typically.
Typically hanging, beheading, you know, allthe fun stuff.

(59:15):
Right.
But in fact, by the end of the 17, over 200
crimes were punishable by the death penalty.
This was known as the ****** code.
So think about it.
Over 200 crimes.
So let's say you get into a bar fight, right?
And today in the UK and the United States,that might be a misdemeanor, depending upon

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how far the fight goes.
Right.
But typically you're not going to be killed.
But I looked this up and you could get into abar fight and let's say you, you know, you
beat the guy pretty good.
Whatever.
Yeah, you're probably going to be killed.
You'll probably be hung,
like.
Or hang to death or beheaded.
Like, that's insane.
And nobody challenged this.

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You know what I mean?No one said anything again.
Why do you think it's haunted?

Speaker B (01:00:04):
Yeah, there's so much.
Yeah.
So much going off in there.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker C (01:00:07):
It's like traumatic energy.

Speaker A (01:00:10):
Yeah,
right.
Negative energy.
So as the prison moved into the 1800s.
Well, this is good.
Some reform took place.
The Victorians began building new prisons and
expanding old ones, such as Shepton Ballot.
So what they would do instead of kill you,they would just give you hard labor.

Speaker B (01:00:32):
Yeah.

Speaker A (01:00:32):
So,
yeah, you basically work you to death.
So instead of dying right away, you go years,
months, and then you die.
Well, thank.
Yeah, thanks a lot, guys at it.
But you see kind of the humor in it.
Like,
I mean, you know, and the different thingsthey did was insane.

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But one of the things too,
as well as being.
They eventually started doing More
construction.
So it became a bigger prison and became one of
the largest prisons in the uk and it was,believe it or not, powered by a mill just
outside of the prison.
So we all know mills.
Typically, mills are used for crushing wheat.

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So you make bread, and it's used by the waterand stuff.
Well, this kind of would basically power theprison, which I think is kind of weird green
energy, as we call it states.
You know what I mean?Like, the prison's like torturing these
people, beheading these people, drunk guards.
It's literally chaos.
But look at us.

(01:01:38):
We have a nice green energy.

Speaker B (01:01:39):
That's right.
New technology coming into play.
Exactly.

Speaker A (01:01:43):
Yeah, that.
Look at us.
We're gonna make you work you to death.
But don't feel bad, because we're okay.

Speaker B (01:01:48):
We got to clean some fresh bread.

Speaker C (01:01:50):
Industrial.

Speaker B (01:01:51):
Exactly.

Speaker A (01:01:52):
So the 1800s, they started.
Started to do this.
They started to figure out we need to separatethe prisoners depending on their crime.
Good for them.
But also, this is weird, and I'd love if you
guys investigate this.
They made this prisoner stay in completesilence throughout the day.

(01:02:13):
So you could not talk at all.
Right?

Speaker B (01:02:17):
Yeah.

Speaker A (01:02:17):
And that, to me, think about that.
Think about being in a prison this horrible.
You can't have any communication.
If you did, if you even was, like, whispering
to your prisoner roommate or whoever,
they would beat you nearly to death for doingthat.

(01:02:38):
Right, right.
And again, wonder why it's haunted.
So my feeling would be if you.
If someone investigated this, you'd probably
hear a lot of whispering or you would probablyhear a lot of anguish of people screaming and
being punished.

Speaker B (01:02:54):
I don't know.

Speaker A (01:02:54):
I just think.

Speaker B (01:02:55):
Yeah, because I suppose if you're asking them to talk, it potentially could go
against what they were allowed to do.
So maybe, as you say, you might not get a lot
of verbal noises, apart from, obviously, thescreaming, but you might get a lot of banging
or movement in a different way,
a different form of.
Yeah, communication.
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker A (01:03:13):
Yeah. Yeah. So I'm guessing you, if you're doing EVPs, you probably get a lot of
EVPs.
But that's just my guess.

Speaker B (01:03:21):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A (01:03:22):
So to make things worse, 1868, they closed Ilchester and Houghton prisoners
prisons.
Excuse me.
They closed and they moved all the prisonersto Shepton Mallet.
So imagine all those prisoners coming inthere.
My God. Yeah, thanks a lot.
And if you go.
Yeah, if you go online and I'll put thesethings up, when this episode comes out of what

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the prison looks like, those look like, andyou're like, that's my closet.
Like, you know what I mean?Like that smaller than my closet.
It's unbelievable.
So one of the things too is from 1889.
I thought this would be more, but I guess not.
In 1889 and 1919, 26, seven men convicted ofmurder were executed within the prison and

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their bodily remains.
And again, I thought this would be more.
Were buried within the grounds of the prisonwhere they still remain to this day.

Speaker B (01:04:18):
Yeah.

Speaker A (01:04:19):
So in America, there's a prison called the 400.
Excuse me.
Yeah, 100 acres of blood.
It's the Missouri Penitentiary.
In Missouri, if you ever get to the States,
definitely check this out.
It's called, like I said, like 100 acres ofblood.
It was such a terrible prison like this thatthey have.
They think this is just a guess.

(01:04:40):
100 unmarked graves of prisoners in.
Around that prison.
Just. They just threw them all over the place
and didn't mark them.
They just said, here you go.
Good enough for you.
They threw him in a hole.
And I'm just like, that's why that prison isextremely haunted.
So, yeah, believe it or, believe it or not,the prison population started to decline in

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the early 1900s.
I wonder why I'm not going to the last.
Yeah, the last woman left in 1918.
So remember I told you in America you separate
women prisons now from male prisons.
Yeah, it's a total separate prison.
And I'm sure in the UK you do that too,obviously.

(01:05:24):
But at that time they did not, like I said.
So she was there from 1918 to 1930, where she
was basically around 50 other male prisoners.
So she was in a section with basically 58, 50
male prisoners, one woman to 50 guys.

Speaker B (01:05:45):
Yeah.

Speaker A (01:05:45):
No, nothing bad is going to happen with that.
Right?
Nothing bad.
But due the size, due to the size of the
population and the deterioration of the site,the decision was taken to close the prison in
1930.
So eventually they started moving these people
out and everything like that.

(01:06:05):
But here's something that's really weird.
At the start of World War II, the prison
reopened to become a British military prisonknown as the Glass House.

Speaker C (01:06:16):
Yeah.

Speaker A (01:06:17):
And basically they held, of course, Terry, people who would, I don't know, go AWOL
or whatever reason.
Right, yeah.
Yeah.
So at one time, between 1942 and 1945, over
700 US servicemen were incarcerated there.
Sixteen of the US servicemen were also payingand further too, executed by firing squad

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during these years.
So now you've gone from women, men, children
in this.
In this prison and everything.
And, you know, like I said, the lastprisoners, technically 1930, were let go.
But then they made it a military prison.
Yeah.
So to me, it's like.
It's like one hell goes in another hell, you
know what I mean?

Speaker B (01:07:04):
Just builds on top of each other, don't you?

Speaker A (01:07:06):
It builds and builds and builds.
No wonder it's considered one of the most
haunted presents.
So, yeah.
Throughout the war, the old woman's wingbecame a top secret repository for the
National Archives.
As they left 300 records and archives,materials and public things for safekeeping
because of the bombing.
Obviously.
This included the Magna Carta.

(01:07:28):
Magna Carta.
Excuse me.
And the Doom.
Doomsday Book.
Can you guys tell me what the Doomsday Bookis?
I don't know what that is.

Speaker B (01:07:36):
Was probably the first register of.
Of taking order of what was in the country.
So it would go from maybe city to city,
village to village, and say a historicalregister of what was in that village, maybe
the names of the people that were in thatvillage.
So as your first proper recording of a captureof time of what was happening in the.

(01:07:59):
In the country.
Yeah.

Speaker C (01:08:01):
Buildings or certain places that date back to the Doomsday Books.

Speaker B (01:08:05):
Yeah. So there's like a. Maybe a church or a building, you know, that it was
around say whenever the Doomsday Book wasfirst generated.
Because it has a recording of that facility,about that building in that book.
And that's where, as I say, that same country.
And then I know we still do it every.

(01:08:26):
Every 20 years or we still sort of do that.
Now we have a national census.

Speaker C (01:08:32):
Yeah.

Speaker B (01:08:32):
Where we get letters from the UK government to say who's living in that house,
the names of family.
So there's a snapshot of the country every
sort of maybe 20 years or however period.
The Doomsday Book was the original.
I suppose that was the original slap snapshot
of the time.

Speaker A (01:08:51):
Now two.
Yeah, I love that.
One of the things, this is where Ronnie andReggie Cray were in that prison because I
believe they decided not to go to war.
They decided that they weren't going to go to
war.
I believe that was their thing.
They decided to not go into the draft or
something to that effect.

(01:09:12):
And I'm like.
In 1966, the prison once again reverted to acivilian prison.
And in 2001, the role of the prison changedonce again.
That it was retooled to become a male lifersprison, basically.
Now, basically it became just for men who werelifers for whatever reason, who committed the

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serious offenses, who were guilty and alreadyspent a considerable amount of time in
prisons.
They put them in here.
But one of the things was that they finally,
and this is rarely recent, the prisoner.
The prison was finally decommissioned in 2013,
March 28, which Interesting.
It was held in the exercise yard attended byofficers and staff, past and present.

(01:09:57):
Now let's get to the fun stuff here.
Unless you guys wanted to add something before
I get into the ghost.
No, don't want to add anything before we getinto the anything before I get into the ghost
story.

Speaker B (01:10:09):
No, no, no. I know that obviously the craze were born in 1930,
so they might have missed the war.
They probably were too young to maybe go into
the war.
But the opportunity of taking over the London
patch because of the gangster sort of elementto it, they were probably quite young and

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availability of being able to expand theterritory of ownership of that time was quite
void.

Speaker C (01:10:37):
Yeah.

Speaker B (01:10:37):
So that's probably why they sort of maybe enabled them to do things as they did.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A (01:10:44):
Awesome.
So the famous ghost story of this prison,
the famous person is called the White Lady.
Okay.
That is the woman I talked to a little earlierwho was in prison.
According to reports, she murdered herhusband.
But again, people are kind of like, I don'tknow if she did.
But anyway, so she is the one that peoplealways look.

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Look to find or to have some type ofinvestigation with.
And in the people have said that what hashappened is prisoners.
They have said when they're in her area whereher.
Where she.
Her cell was, that they will ask for extra
bedding because it's super cold in that area.
As well as they smell sweet perfume, which is

(01:11:30):
interesting, would waft around the prison andprisoners would become uncomfortable in their
cells.
And officers started to refuse working nightshifts because they would see this apparition.
They would first smell the perfume and thenthey would see this apparition of this white
lady gliding across the different prisons, thedifferent floors, everything like that.

(01:11:54):
So one of the things people have doneinvestigations and a lot have not found the
White Lady.
It's been inconclusive.
But as years pass, they say that they continueto have trouble with getting night officers.
Anybody working at night would not work atnight.
But the ones who have worked at night, again,smells perfume, see shadows and white figures

(01:12:16):
standing on the stairs.
And again, like I said, they, they.
What's really weird about this is why they car
the White lady is because they see her, thiswhite apparition in a wedding dress.
A woman I'm kind of, like I said, gliding downthe stairs.
And she was killed,
or I should say hung as her final request.

(01:12:39):
Why she requested this, I Have no idea.
But basically they were like, we'll move youto another prison or we'll kill you.
What do you want?She was like, I want to die.
She wants to die.
Rather die than go to another prison.
Because they would just.
Would.
This would have, you know, keep moving her toprisons and God knows what.

Speaker B (01:13:01):
Experience she's had from one to another.
She's thinking, yeah, what's the point?

Speaker A (01:13:05):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
And the reason, though, she was never hung,
though, because when they went to go and tohang her that day, they found her lifeless
body laying on the bed dressed in a weddingdress.
I don't know how she got this.
And the officers obviously thought shecommitted suicide or something like that, but

(01:13:28):
they didn't find any marks like around herneck or that she had slit her wrist or
anything like that.
And people conclude she might.
She must have died of a broken heart, so.
Oh,
so you know what I mean?That's terrible.

Speaker B (01:13:46):
Yeah. No, it's like.
It's a nice story and I think that's what
happens sometimes.
You place into it there's a nice story
attached.
I suppose your class is a nice story.
Obviously, a woman's died and.
But the wedding dress, as you say, there's
question marks over the element of it all.
The interesting thing is the smell, the

(01:14:07):
sightings, and a few people, not just oneperson, there's a few of them, so there must
be something.
But then people have to put a reason to whatthey're seeing.
And maybe that elaborates a little bit overtime, doesn't it, to get interest in the
place, to explain what they're seeing.
I suppose, maybe.
But it's.
It's interesting.

Speaker A (01:14:25):
Definitely, absolutely.
Also stories that I didn't get to just really
quickly.
Supposedly they have done forever.
A reason, some renovation on the prisonbecause it's falling apart.
Obviously.
It's been around since 1600.
They have found, supposedly skeletons in thewall.

Speaker C (01:14:43):
Wow.

Speaker B (01:14:43):
Yeah.

Speaker A (01:14:46):
Believe what you believe, I guess.
But supposedly there is proof when people have
knocked out.
Similar to your story about the gentleman
working, you know, digging up the area,
you know, and then seeing Roman soldiers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They have found where, you know, these menwere buried alive in the walls.
Which doesn't surprise me.

(01:15:07):
Talking about horrible, this prison is.
Yeah, yes, you can go to this prison.
It's open for business.
They have a website which I'll put out whenthis episode comes out and go and visit it.
And do they love paranormal investigators.
You can get married there.
You can go on a ghost tour.
So I think it's really fascinating.
So what do you guys think?
I'm going to ask, do you guys believe this ishaunted or do you believe it's not haunted?

Speaker C (01:15:31):
I think there's be.
It could be a residual.
There's that much negative energy.
So it's quite possible.

Speaker B (01:15:37):
Yeah, but it could.

Speaker C (01:15:39):
It could all be whether it's intelligent sort of spirit or.
I'd say probably say it's more residual.

Speaker B (01:15:46):
Yeah. A lot of leftover energy.

Speaker C (01:15:48):
We'd go check it out.

Speaker B (01:15:49):
No, and I think what we'll do if we do then we'll definitely let you know.

Speaker C (01:15:52):
Yeah, it's a place I would really like to.

Speaker B (01:15:55):
Again, we've got a lady in grey.
A story of the Sprotford Castle Castle near
us.
We've captured a photograph of a great lady in
grey and there's a story of this lady grave.
It's gone to a tower and flown herself off outof a window because obviously she was in love
and it was in some reason.

Speaker C (01:16:17):
Is it a legend? Chinese whispers, you know, stories that are
told over years and are they slightly changed?Are they tweaked as you know.
So the story that we get told now is thatactually what happened or, you know.
No, no dears really.

Speaker B (01:16:31):
And then they say we've we got a photograph.
We were just.
I was just taking pictures around the area at
night time.
Just total darkness and.
And we captured it and it's interestingpicture into it.
We don't know exactly if that's what it is,but we believe it is.
I can.
I'll send you an email anyway to you.

Speaker C (01:16:48):
So you can see it looks like the shape of a lady going into the.
Approaching the doorway of this tower.

Speaker B (01:16:56):
That's what it looks like and that feels like that.
If that's the case and we've caught it on thatevening and the stories attached to it, we
think that must be rigid residual energy orvision.
Vision. It's just.
Yeah, it's just being played and that's what
that.
The prison could be.
It could be a lot of activity that you might.
You might call out for something to happen.
You might say can you do this?Can you do that?

(01:17:17):
And it might be very lucky that energy isbeing dispensed about evening at that time and
you get those noises because normally when youdo an investigation you're only going to be
there for a period of time and he could be sitsat there quietly wanting something to happen.
So you call out for something to happen or youcould be having devices looking for something
to happen and that that energy is just flowingat the right time for you to pick up on it.

(01:17:42):
Yeah, but, yeah, again, it's.
Maybe that's my skeptic side.
There's energy, I believe there's energy therewhere.
Whether it's.
It's communicating to you, it's hard to know.
That's what makes things interesting and fun,I think, is trying to get it to talk to you in
an educated way, I suppose.

(01:18:02):
And it is what we try to look out for or tryand hope to get sometime.

Speaker A (01:18:07):
Absolutely. So I always ask my UK before we wrap up here, I always ask my UK
friends, where in the United States would youlike to investigate?
Do you guys have like a bucket list of like,oh, we want to investigate that place?

Speaker B (01:18:26):
Well, it's like when you talk about prisons, as Alcatraz is.
Is a. An interesting place for me to say.
There's quite a few sort of programs we watch
where people do go and investigate that.
And obviously the history.
Obviously Al Capone was there once.
He. For a period of time, I believe.
Was he?

Speaker A (01:18:44):
Yes, that is correct.

Speaker B (01:18:45):
So again, there's that type of.
And I've always loved, like, as I say, the
films attached to it as well, like ClintEastwood with that type of thing as a kid.
But. But yeah, that.
That would be one of my bucket lists to sort
of go there and just experience.
Because it's a little bit of a time capsule as
well.

Speaker A (01:19:01):
Yeah.

Speaker B (01:19:01):
So that'd be one for me.

Speaker A (01:19:03):
How about you, Ruth?

Speaker C (01:19:04):
Marilyn Monroe's house.
Yeah, for me, because when I was a little
girl.
Absolutely.
I was obsessed with her.
I loved her, I thought she was fantastic.
And so that's probably.
Yeah, I think I would.
I'd like to do that.
Really.
I'd like to go there.
Probably not many people would say that.

Speaker B (01:19:19):
But yeah, I would hear some interesting stories from there.

Speaker A (01:19:23):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, you guys, I could talk to you for hours.
Ruth and Jim, you guys are amazing.
This was just beyond belief.
I love, like I said, my UK people because theyhave so many interesting stories and such a
rich history.
It just, you know, I, like I said, I'll haveto have you guys on again because I didn't
even get to a couple things.

(01:19:43):
I didn't even get to a couple things I wanted
a few things I didn't want to get to.
But before we go, could you tell my spookyfriends where they can find you and what's
upcoming for you guys?

Speaker C (01:19:54):
They can find us on Instagram.
Paranormal Truth.

Speaker B (01:19:58):
That's our name.

Speaker C (01:19:59):
That's our name.
We are also On Facebook and TikTok.

Speaker B (01:20:03):
Yeah.

Speaker C (01:20:04):
Debating possibly going into YouTube, aren't we?

Speaker B (01:20:08):
Yeah, we've got quite a lot of videos now of what we do and what we capture.
Again what we tend to find is it's quite hardto edit everything down sometimes to then
replay it to show we've got this evidence,this is what happened.
So we might Open do a YouTube channel so wecan show that evidence a little bit easier.
But yeah, that's our have three main sort ofInstagram, Tick Tock and Facebook.

Speaker C (01:20:28):
Yeah, we've got like I said, we're going back to the culinary the -28th and what
we've got coming up we've got something aconvention called Paramit.
Yeah that's next month that we went last yearfor the first time meeting.

Speaker B (01:20:42):
Everybody in here, mediumships.

Speaker C (01:20:45):
We've made some great friends from there.
There's loads of different people from theparanormal world.

Speaker B (01:20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker C (01:20:50):
Speaker a fantastic group of like minded people.
What else have we got?We've got a few like overnight investigations.

Speaker B (01:20:57):
Coming up like June, July 18, 1887.
Schoolhouse.

Speaker C (01:21:02):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (01:21:03):
Which has got a lot of evidence.
So again that's what they to do is live feed
as well during the course of theinvestigation.
So that will go out live on Facebook doingthat one.

Speaker C (01:21:13):
So they are live streaming.
Yeah, they like stream it on their page as
well.

Speaker B (01:21:17):
But we tend to do maybe twice a week if we can we try, we go out and do
investigations locally.

Speaker C (01:21:25):
We'll do something from home with an object.

Speaker B (01:21:28):
Yeah. So obviously.
Yeah. So one of the 12 dolls.
You'll probably catch us online with one ofthe 12 dolls.

Speaker A (01:21:33):
Oh, not the dolls.
All right Root.
All right Ruth, you gotta tell me it's okay towatch this.
Nothing's gonna happen to me.

Speaker C (01:21:44):
No.

Speaker A (01:21:48):
Awesome.
Well thank you guys again.
Thank you for going over time and thank you.
I know the time difference and I really
appreciate it because you guys were great.
I loved everything we talked about and like I
said I can talk for hours because there's somuch to talk about and everything but awesome.
So again when this comes out, please go theparanormal Truth Instagram and you know all

(01:22:11):
their other sites, Facebook and, and TikTok.
Check them out.
They're only a lovely couple but they're alsodo some great content and you can't miss them
and you know, please follow them andsubscribe,
whatever you want to do and reach out, youknow.

Speaker B (01:22:27):
I'll chat to you guys.
We'll chat to anyone.
We will.

Speaker A (01:22:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm sure if someone has an idea.
Or maybe a place for you guys to check out andyou can.
Yeah, what the heck, right?

Speaker C (01:22:39):
We're open to anything.
Yeah.

Speaker A (01:22:41):
All right.
Well, thank you so much.
You guys stay spooky and we'll talk later.

Speaker C (01:22:44):
Thank you, John.

Speaker A (01:22:45):
Thanks a lot.

Speaker B (01:22:46):
Take care.

Speaker A (01:22:47):
Cheers.
Bye.

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