Unlocking Intuition: A Journey with Cowgirl Shaman Terry Jay

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>> John (00:14):
Hello, my spooky friends, and welcome, to the paranormal
podcast that covers everything spooky,
creepy and mysterious in the Midwest and
beyond. And today,
I am extremely blessed to have a
great guest on the show. Her name is Terri
Jay. She's an intuitive story. So
welcome, Terri.

>> Terri Jay (00:34):
Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited, to be here
and talk with you.

>> John (00:46):
Thank you. Thank you. So let's get right into it,
Terry. I'm gonna read a little bit about off your, bio, off
your website and my spooky friends. This will
be all o. You know, as you listen to me on the
episode notes, please reach out to Terry. She'll talk a
little bit more, obviously, during this episode of how she
can help you in many, many, many ways. So I

(01:07):
am extremely excited about this, too.
So this is really interesting to me because I always
start with, this is Terri. She believes that
she. Well, that all of us are born with
intuitive abilities, which I think is really
interesting. And intuition is just one part of
a spiritual sentences with clairvoyance. And
I'll have you explain that. And also

(01:28):
clairaudience and all these other clair.
Words that you can explain that allow
us to pick up the higher vibrations.
That which. I didn't know this. And you can explain
this. I'll pause after this one. But physics tells us
that everything in the universe has a vibration
or frequency. So let's stop there.

(01:48):
I've heard about this, but explain that to my
spooky friends. Terry, what does that mean? That all of us have a
vibration or a frequen?

>> Terri Jay (01:55):
We have to remember everything is physics, even
what we call source energy, which, you know, a lot of people,
that's their word for God. And so we have to
remember, if you're talking about physics, everything
is energy, frequency, and vibration. So
I know. I'm not even gonna say I believe, but
I know that people that do this, all

(02:16):
they're doing is picking up on vibrations and frequencies that other
people miss. That's all they're doing. There isn't
one of us that hasn't thought about somebody that we haven't heard
from in a while. And the phone rings and it's
right, everybody does it. Everybody's doing it.
But, what I like to do is teach people how to make the most
of it. Because most of us have the abilities. We're

(02:36):
born with the abilities, and we shut them off in
childhood. So it's not even learning something
new. It's just turning them back on.

>> John (02:44):
Yeah. Yeah, I love that. I love that. Because that's
one of the biggest things I think people don't understand
is we're all born with gifts.
But it's like. It's not like riding a bike, right?
Let's say you rode a bike 10 years ago. You probably could
ride a bike right now. Wherever,
whatever age you're at, you probably could get. You might take a little bit, but you get
on there, right? This. You know, a lot of people don't

(03:07):
want to develop that skill that, you know, because they
just kind of push it down. Like, they feel weird, like,
speaking to other mediums and intuitives and so on
and so forth. Terry. What they told me was it
was really hard for them to explain
eventually to their loved ones. I have a
gift, right?

>> Terri Jay (03:25):
Y. They're not gifts. They're not gifts.

>> John (03:28):
Right, exactly. So explain that.

>> Terri Jay (03:30):
Well, if somebody tells me, oh, yes, I'm gifted, and
I, have all of these gifts and I'm special, I want
to go, yes, Short bus special, probably
right? You know, because we're all
born with them. We turn them off because somebody calls
us on and they go, you stop lying. Grandpa's not in the
corner, and we're going with Grandpa.

>> John (03:49):
Grandpa.

>> Terri Jay (03:50):
No, Grandpa's in heaven. Stop lying. You know, we get
in trouble for using those abilities sometimes. I
never call them gifts. I always call them abilities because
we all have them.

>> John (03:59):
I love that. I love that. You know, and I always
tell this story all the time. Not to get off on with our
first tangent, which might have been a many, but
my mom, for example, she could meet a person
and immediately tell that person. Immediately tell if
that person's, like, for lack of a better word, good or
bad. She was never wrong. She could.

>> Terri Jay (04:20):
No.

>> John (04:20):
And it was really, really interesting because,
like, she had meet people. Like, my mom was a lovely
person. She was just.

>> Terri Jay (04:28):
She is.

>> John (04:29):
You know, I can't see.

>> Terri Jay (04:30):
She really is.

>> John (04:30):
And I said mom at one time. Like, come on,
Mom. Like, she'd meet a girlfriend, right? And she'd be like,
sorry, Han, that's the one's gonna work out for you. And she would just
be like, mom. And then like, a month later, we're broken up,
right? Other things. She'd meet people and be like, yeah, I
don't like that person. And she give me a reason why.
And I have given that gift. Like,

(04:51):
I can meet someone and be like, this is not going to
work.
And it's funny that you mentioned vibrations, because I talked
to one of my, previous guests on the show, and
she mentioned that she Says, well, your vibrations,
the way she said it, and I'm misquoting here and
please explain it better than I'm gonna explain it,
Terry. But she says, like your vibrations are just, they're not

(05:12):
in sync, basically, like they're kind of repelling
each other. So explain that how I can meet a
person and we like hit it off and we're like best
friends, and then I meet another person and it's
like, sorry, man, I don't like you.
And we didn't say anything.

>> Terri Jay (05:28):
we're always looking for that frequency
that matches our own. And we don't even know that we're doing
that. But we want someone with a like,
frequency. I mean, we think about this.
Dogs can read people all the time.
And, you know, if my dogs don't like somebody,
I'm having nothing to do with them because that's exactly what
they're doing, is reading that person's energy.

>> John (05:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely right.
Oh, go ahead.

>> Terri Jay (05:54):
But I mean, really, we have the ability to
do the same thing. Think about having a conversation, a
face to face conversation with someone and you find yourself
having to take a step back all the time.

>> John (06:05):
Yeah.

>> Terri Jay (06:05):
Because their energy is actually pushing on you
because they're trying to like, like rope you in
or control you or something. And they're not
doing it consciously, but it repels us. And we find
ourselves taking a step back all the time. That happens to
a lot of people. And they go, that was weird, right?
Yeah, yeah, it's not for me.

>> John (06:25):
Yeah, it's really bizarre because
you just think like, like my wife, she doesn't have that
gift. She just. Lily a very loving person.

>> Terri Jay (06:34):
Yeah.

>> John (06:35):
But she'll talk to some people and they'll kind of
run her over, for lack of a better word.
And I'll say, hon, I told you that person is a
jerk. I told you that. Why are you
still letting this happen? She goes, you're being judgmental.
You're just, you know, you need to stop that because that's not
fair. No, Right,

(06:55):
right. And I explained it to her many, many, many
times. And now I can share this evidence too.

>> Terri Jay (07:00):
Yeah. And we're, you know, the other thing too. We're giveniving
that information for our own
edification. Then we can decide if,
you know, if we're goingna go further with that person, you
know, like in a relationship or something, or in a
business deal. You need this for business all the time.
Oh my goodness.

>> John (07:19):
Yes. Yes.

>> Terri Jay (07:21):
And it's really fun. It's really fun. I've gone into
it, like by a truck. And the, salesperson will go, well,
we're into it. This much money. And I go, no, you're not. You're only
in it this m much. And he'll go, they look around. Am I being
pranked? how do you know that you know? And I go, because
I'm an intuitive. I said, I can actually see your
paper. And I heard your discussion with

(07:41):
your sales manager about what you're in the vehicle and
what you can let it go for. So we'll give you this much. And I always get
it.

>> John (07:48):
Well, I gotta take you with me next time, Terry.

>> Terri Jay (07:49):
Yeah, yeah. It comes in handy all the time.
I mean, I read it, I mean, I use it every minute of
every day.

>> John (07:56):
It's exhausting, I bet, right?
Yeah, that can be. Can be a thing
where it's just so much coming at you,
right. That it's just. How do you
learn, you know, like, filter it. It's kind of
a difficult thing. So let me ask you that question. How
do you filter it? I mean, it's like a wave coming at
you, and you're like, how do I, you know,

(08:18):
ride this wave without drowning? Basically?

>> Terri Jay (08:21):
I really try to limit my public exposure. I know
that sounds funny, but I do my readings by phone all
over the world, and people say, can we do zoom or can
we use, something visual? And I go, nope, I don't want that. I
want to tune in energetically, not
physically. And I'm trying to get a TV show.
And that's going to be a challenge for me because I will be doing them in

(08:41):
person. But if I go to read a horse or something, I will
put my back to the horse to read it. I won't even get close
to it because I don't want the visual because I'll judge
it instead of reading it. And so, we have to develop all
these kinds of things. And if I'm in public, I don't make eye
contact ever. My eyes are always down. I've
had friends run into me with their shopping carts

(09:01):
because I was not looking anywhere but
at my grocery list. Right?

>> John (09:06):
Yeah.

>> Terri Jay (09:07):
And what are you doing? I go, trying not
to look at people.

>> John (09:11):
That's funny. that's really interesting to
me.

>> Terri Jay (09:14):
So the other thing, too, I don't mean to
interrupt, but the other thing, too, that's really weird about me.
I can't listen to music.

>> John (09:22):
Okay, why is that?

>> Terri Jay (09:23):
It's the last draw. Because there's so much information
coming in all the time that
Music becomes the last draw. So other than that, I'm not
weird?

>> John (09:32):
Other than that, you're just fine?

>> Terri Jay (09:34):
Yeah, Just talk to dead people. Talk to people who can't
communicate. Do medical and veterinary
intuition. I can tell people why they're sick and how to
fix their disease and all that stuff.
Have you seen the show, the Good Doctor?

>> John (09:47):
Yes, I have.

>> Terri Jay (09:48):
Okay, so you know how he sees holograms of
things? M h. And that's me. I see
holograms of things.

>> John (09:55):
Wow.

>> Terri Jay (09:55):
That's really my life. I mean, for medical and veterinary
intuition, it's very, very helpful.

>> John (10:01):
Yeah, absolutely.
And let me, let me ask you with that, one
of the things, you know, and you've been doing
this for over 30 years, is that correct?

>> Terri Jay (10:10):
35.

>> John (10:11):
35 years. Okay. And you know, it says
here, on your bio too, that you've helped people through
financial health issues.

>> Terri Jay (10:20):
Relationship.

>> John (10:21):
Relationship. So let me ask you this. What
is the hardest financial, personal.
Like, what is your hardest, like, time you have to
talk to people and be like, how do, how do I do
this without offending?

>> Terri Jay (10:35):
I would call it most challenging, across the board
is when the client is in resistance. Like, I had a
client who wanted me to tell her how to get
back together with her drug addict,
alcoholic ex boyfriend, and she wanted
me to just tell her how to do it. And he, of course,
saidopumped her because she was judgmental. Can you

(10:55):
imagine? No. So anyway, I said, I can't
tell you that because it's not in your best interest.
What's in your best interest is to, like, run as fast
as you can away from this relationship. So. And I gave
her lots of other things, but she was not happy with the
results because I didn't tell her what she wanted to hear. And
that's a terrible ethical thing that people that do

(11:16):
this work, we're go going toa get what they want to
hear and we can't give it to them if it's not in their
best interest. So we have to be ethical about it.

>> John (11:24):
Yeah, absolutely. And like, how do you
overcome that? I mean, talking to that person? Like, how
do you tell a person, like, listen, sweetie,
this is, you know what I mean? How do you handle that? Because they're
not listening at that time. Right? They're closed off
back in.

>> Terri Jay (11:40):
A lot of times I tell them, you're not listening, you're wasting
your time. And I mean your money and my time.
Do you want to be successful and happy
and in a good relationship? If so, you
need to listen. And sometimes it works and sometimes it
doesn't.

>> John (11:55):
Yeah, yeah. Have you ever refused to do
a reading for someone? And what was the
situation?

>> Terri Jay (12:01):
Well, here's the thing. I need information
to connect to what they want help with.
And when I connect to somebody, it's like I've just
walked into a bar at happy hour.

>> John (12:12):
Oay.

>> Terri Jay (12:13):
So it's like, okay, what conversation do you want me
to listen to so that I can glean information
for you? So if people don't do predictions
either because they're unethical due to the law of
attraction, and many, many people will still come to me
and want predictions knowing it's all over my website.
I don't do predictions. They're unethical.

>> John (12:32):
Yeah.

>> Terri Jay (12:33):
And, so a lot of times they'll say, tell me what you're getting.
I stop they reading right there, refund their money, that's it,
we're done.

>> John (12:42):
So, okay, so. But on your website,
you know when you've talked about, like, helped a
handful of individuals with, like, remote viewing to
help lost Pat. I locate lost pads.

>> Terri Jay (12:53):
Sure.

>> John (12:54):
Find gold. Water on maps.

>> Terri Jay (12:57):
Yeah.

>> John (12:57):
Real estate decisions. Like, doesn't
that kind of fall in unethical? You know, like, if
you're saying the gold is over there and they don't find the gold, I
mean, that's like.

>> Terri Jay (13:07):
Hey, lady, haven't had that
happen.

>> John (13:11):
Okay, well, that's good.

>> Terri Jay (13:12):
Yeah, yeah. So, I'll give you an example.
If somebody says, I'm working really
hard to achieve this, and if I tell
them, yes, I see you achieving that, it's
all going to just pan out beautifully, then they, in
their mind go, well, Terry said it's going to happen so I
can quit working so hard. And so then they
quit working. So then it doesn't happen. Then I'm the poop head,

(13:34):
right?

>> John (13:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Terri Jay (13:37):
And then if. If I see like a vehicle
accident and I go, oh, when you're in traffic, watch out for white vans.
Stay away from white vans. And they will be
so focused in traffic on staying away from white
vans, they will get in an accident. Do you see what I mean?

>> John (13:51):
Yeah, absolutely.

>> Terri Jay (13:51):
That's the law of attraction. What you think about, you bring about.

>> John (13:54):
Yes, yes.
And that has to do with, Let me ask you this. A
big buzzword for. Well, maybe not as a
buzzword as as much as it used to be
is manifestation. You
manifest your thoughts. What is your feeling on that?
Cause it's kind of what's the difference between law of attraction
and I'm manifesting. I'M going to, I don't

(14:15):
know, get.

>> Terri Jay (14:15):
A great job or whatever manifestation
is. I mean, a law of attraction is working with us or against
us, depending on our thoughts and our feelings. And
that's my only problem I have with the law of attraction is it says think it
and it'll happen. No, we've got to bring feelings into
this too. Because if your thoughts are one thing and your feelings
are diametrically opposed to that, whichever stronger is

(14:36):
going to prevail. So that's why you have
to have both of those things in alignment in order to
manifest.
Really.

>> John (14:43):
And how would you. You don't have to get too deep
into it, but how do you start with telling a
person, you know, like, they want a relationship?
Relationships are a big deal. Obviously, I want to
find my husband or my wife or my
partner. What do I do, Terry? How do I go about doing
this?

>> Terri Jay (15:00):
Well, I always start my readings with how can I help? And
then when they tell me, you know, I'm looking to find a
relationship, then what I'll do is show
them where they're not ready and really don't want a
relationship if that's the case. And so I give
them homework to work on themselves and
tools to work on themselves. And then I recommend putting

(15:20):
on their vision board what they're looking for. You know, I'm in a
loving, committed relationship with a wonderful person who
loves, honors, and cherishes meuse. That cuts out all
the bullshit, right?

>> John (15:30):
Yes.

>> Terri Jay (15:31):
And then you put are happy, sexy, bless m
wealthy, clean, cooperative, funy, kind. Whatever's
important to you, you know, and some people say like to
ski or likes horses or whatever it is
that they enjoy doing for fun. Because shared
interest is really what can make a relationship strong.
And then I tell them, and this is the hard part,

(15:51):
I ask them, are you all that you are
seeking? And a lot of times they'll say, no, no, I'm
not. I'm not wealthy. Or I'm not this. I'm not happy,
I'm not healthy. And I go, then work on, on you
so that you're a vibrational match, right?
Isn't.

>> John (16:07):
Yeah. And that's, that's a big thing. I think
people don't understand. They just think there's nothing wrong
with them. I'm fine, I'm
perfect. Why isn't no one coming to
me? Why. Why am I not getting anybody? Look
at me. I'm great, I'm sexy, I'm
wonderful. I, you know, whatever, right? You re like,

(16:27):
are you.

>> Terri Jay (16:28):
Are youeah I think people have to do a lot of introspection.
And the other thing too, which is really critical when it comes
to relations, relationships. You can only love another human
being or animal to the level and
degree you love yourself.

>> John (16:40):
Yes, yes,
exactly.

>> Terri Jay (16:44):
So if you only love. If you only love yourself a four or a
five, you're going toa pull in somebody who only loves
you a 4 or a 5, you gotta love yourself a 10 the way Source
does.

>> John (16:54):
Yes, Terry, we're on the same frequency here.

>> Terri Jay (16:56):
I can feel iteah. I can feel it. It's good.

>> John (17:01):
Now this is really interesting to me. Just
kind of switching gears here a little bit. that's kind of my way of
a funny segue here. You've actually diagnosed
problems with vehicles where you have no mechanical
ability. And also help with code writing,
you know, like a software engineer kind of like help
figuring out what's going on. So that. I have

(17:21):
never heard that before.

>> Terri Jay (17:23):
That'pretty weird.

>> John (17:24):
Yeah, that is weird.

>> Terri Jay (17:25):
Yeah, the vehicles. But the vehicles, I just hear
it, you know, I just hear, it's this.
There's a thing in our diesel trucks. I'm not
sure if it's in gas trucks, but it's called
a tps. And then one gal, she says, oh, my truck won't
start. And I just went initials. And
I listened, I said, I heard tps and then I went,

(17:47):
what is. Oh, it's a throttle position sensor. And
so she pulled into the shop and said, my throttle
position sensor isn't working. And they go, do you mind if we check the
vehicle? And of course that's what it was. I love
it. It's pretty fun to do that. And then as
far as, I don't diagnose with people,
I'll tell you what I'm getting, but I won't do it. I leadave
that up to the medical professionals and I just say

(18:10):
it feels like this, right.
I did this yesterday. A gal said she's just
tired all the time. And I go, when did you hit your head and have
a concussion? And she went, what? I said, yeah, you've got head
trauma hormone syndrome.

>> John (18:23):
Wow.

>> Terri Jay (18:23):
Since she did, she recently had a really bad concussion.
And that's a thing. That is. You never go to
a doctor where they go, unless you go in for the
concussion, they'll never ask you again. You
have, you had head trau. Never. And it screws with your
hormones horribly. Male and female.

>> John (18:40):
Yeah. Yeah.

>> Terri Jay (18:42):
I talked to a 16 year old boy. I said, you wrecked
your dirt bike and you didn't have a helmet on it. And he said, what?
Of course his mom was on the phone, because I won't do minors without an
adult present.

>> John (18:52):
Which is smart.

>> Terri Jay (18:54):
And so you could hear her yelling at him. You rode your
motorcycles m out your hel. Which is pretty. I was laughing, and
I said, you have had. I said, you have head trauma hormone syndrome. I said,
you feel to me like you have PMs. He goes, that's what my
girlfriend said. I said, well, you need to get some milk for it.
And sure enough, they took. You know, he went to someplace that
understands head trauma hormone and got on some hormones

(19:15):
to straighten himself out, and then he was fine.

>> John (19:17):
Yeah.

>> Terri Jay (19:18):
Isn't that amazing?

>> John (19:19):
That is amazing. That's wonderful that you
can do that and help people and use your skill
for that. I love that.
Here's the thing which I love the most.
Isus. This is very rare, at least in my
finding now, but I haven't done too much research on it. You
consider yourself, cowgirl
shaman. Please explain what that means.

>> Terri Jay (19:42):
Well, I've been a horse person my whole life. I started riding when
I was 9, and then I showed horses
professionally, even as a junior rider. And so
I've been in horses my whole life. And I'm in
Nevada, so I'm a cowgirl. You
know, I know how to work cattle and all that
stuff. I've given up roping because it's too hard on my
shoulder. But, I've been a horse person my whole

(20:04):
life. And, being a shaman to me is being a
healer. It's a healer who is also connected
with the other realms. And so I think that perfectly
describes what I do in my work. And it's
very catchy. And I've actually trademarked it and copyrighted it.

>> John (20:18):
That's awesome.

>> Terri Jay (20:19):
Yeah, that's my logo.

>> John (20:22):
Yeah, I saw that on your website, which I'll
have the link to for my spooky friends and take a look at.
Yeah, but you're not only with horses. You
do other pets.

>> Terri Jay (20:33):
I do all pets. I even do exotics.

>> John (20:35):
Okay, so you mean exotics like tigers
or what?

>> Terri Jay (20:39):
Like the big cats and elephants? You know, I've done
readings on elephants.

>> John (20:43):
Wow. And, how. How you do
you have to be in the location or can you do it
from. Wow. Okay. So.

>> Terri Jay (20:51):
No, I do it all remotely. I did a couple readings this
week in, Australia.

>> John (20:55):
Nice.

>> Terri Jay (20:56):
Yeah.

>> John (20:57):
Was that for a pet or for a person?

>> Terri Jay (20:59):
It was for nonverbal autistic kids. O.

>> John (21:01):
Nice.

>> Terri Jay (21:02):
Yeah. That's one of the things that I think is so
beneficial. I don't know if you've heard of the telepathy tapes, but it's
one of the highest rated podcasts. Kai Dickens, a
producer, has taken it upon herself
to prove that autistic kids
are telepathic. And I want to go, well, of course
they are, because I've worked with them for 35 years. I mean,

(21:23):
that's how I found out I was intuitive and
telepathic. As I heard a nonverbal child back
in 1990. W that happen?
Yeah.

>> John (21:32):
Wow. And, you know, autism, is
a big subject nowadays. A lot of people are being
misdiagnosed in something. You with, I don't
know, ADHD or ADD or whatever you want to say.
Have you ever had an opportunity, Opportunity to work with someone and who's
been misdiagnosed and be like,
sure. And how do you go about dealing

(21:52):
with them?

>> Terri Jay (21:52):
I just share the information that I get
that I'm picking up. It's more
ADHD than being on
the spectrum. And I share that
information. And I also get guidance on what to do about it,
which I'm so thankful for. I mean, that's such a huge
blessing when. Cause, you know, I don't have all this
knowledge. I just am like the translator, you

(22:15):
know, I hear the information and I share it. Just like, you know, trying
to fix a vehicle. I don't know what vehicle parts, you
know, but I'll get what's broke.

>> John (22:23):
Yeah. And I love that. You know, like I said,
that's something. I need you around sometimes. I ll just give you a call, I
guess.
So let's get back to pets here a little bit. we talked
off air that our cat Leah
died recently. Past recently. And it really
affected.

>> Terri Jay (22:38):
How old does she.

>> John (22:40):
She was 16.

>> Terri Jay (22:42):
Oh, my Lord. That's old.

>> John (22:44):
Yeah, I know. That's what I thought.

>> Terri Jay (22:46):
I really like her. She feels very warm,
cuddly. I think you said cuddly. But
she wants to come back, so watch for her spirit
to go into one of your other animals. Or if you get a
new kitten, she'll come back in that new kitten, you
know.

>> John (23:01):
That is so interesting you said that. So
a gentleman. I've had on the podcast, too.
His, name is Rob Gutro. Very nice man, just like yourself.
And we did a little talk about it, and he
said, same thing you said. He said, yeah, I
can. I totally feel it. She's a very
loving, very cuddly. So

(23:22):
you thinking. He told me, are you thinking I get another cat? And
I said, well, my Daughter wants another cat. He goes, good,
get another cat. You know that her spirit will
probably go into that cat. So don't be surprised.
Don't freak out. You know.

>> Terri Jay (23:36):
You know, it's called a walk in. M. That's called
a walk in. It's when. When both animals were
alive at the same time. And then I think they just share
beautifully, I don't know all the ins and outs of it, but I
even had a friend who passed, Linda, and she walked
into my horse. That was a weird one.

>> John (23:53):
That was weird. So, well,
did Linda communicate you? Like, how did you know,
like it was her?

>> Terri Jay (24:00):
Well, she changed overnight, like somebody flipped a
switch. So all of a sudden she started doing zippers
on your jacket and Velcro on your sleeves.
And she had never tried that before and obviously nobody
had trained her. And she started giving facials. She says
it's kisses, but it's a slime facial. It really is.
And, anytime I go out there after that point,

(24:21):
I could feel Linda's presence in non physical
form. And I could hear her just cackling. She had the best
laugh. She just cackled like a witch. You know what I mean?
And, so I had Linda's mom and brother come out
and they could both. They just stood there and bald.
I said, so I'm not crazy, you can feel her energy? And they said,
yeah. And then when Linda's mom died, and I think she was
like 96 or something when Linda's mom

(24:44):
died, it was the weirdest thing because it's like
some of the energy of Linda left. It's not as
dense as it was. Isn't that weird?

>> John (24:52):
That is strange. Yeah, that's
something. I just, again, I just fascinated with how
things work and everything, with the soul and
universe and all these things.

>> Terri Jay (25:03):
But it's just still energy. It's just all energy.
You like to talk about ghosts and things.
And there's even a movie called it's, Something about Ghosts or
Talking with Ghosts. And they're talking about how, how beneficial
it is, you know, to talk to ghosts. My question
is, what are you talking about? And here's
why. When we, you know, we're 99% energy,

(25:24):
we're only 1% physical, right? So,
when we lose our shell, we return to being
pure positive energy. So only the
positive stuff can go with us when we go to the other
side, which is just a frequency,
not a place, right? So everything
negative, unfinished business, pain,
suffering, regrets, all of that stuff gets shed

(25:46):
off and left behind in the earthly realm.
Well, in cases of lots of anger or rage
and that kind of thing, that energy can coalesce
or congeal and actually take on form
or substance. So that's what causes like
poltergeist and apparitions and
all the scary stuff that takes. That's what all the

(26:07):
scary stuff is. Because again, it's just
freickaking energy, right?

>> John (26:12):
Yes.

>> Terri Jay (26:13):
So some mediums do not
have discernment. They do not have the
ability to tell the difference between positive
and negative energy. They don't even think about it. They
get energy, they read it, and they share it as
gospel. You know, you have one famous medium that
wrote a book called Unfinished Business. You have another TV

(26:33):
medium that wrote a book called Regrets. When they're
doing that, when they're getting the negative stuff, I'm
sorry, but they're dumpster diving. They're not
communicating with the beautiful spirit of the
person or the animal on the other side. They're
in the garbage that was left behind in the earthly
realm. And I think that's really important to know.

(26:54):
You, know I can't even use the word ghost
because I'd have to go, what are you talking about? The garbage that was
left behind or the person on the other side
in to know. I want to be discerning when I
do that. Isn't that something.

>> John (27:07):
I love that. And that's something that. By the
way, I'm almost finished with your book the
Physics of Mediumship by Terry Jay.
She's also wrote Intuitive communication
and seven easy steps to develop your intuitive
ability, all great books on her website that I highly recommend,
Get a getting.
And I was reading your section about ghosts. And so

(27:27):
here's something that I always. Because I've
talked to numerous paranormal investigators.

>> Terri Jay (27:33):
Oh, sure.

>> John (27:34):
And stuff like that. And it's funny that you
mentioned dumpster diving and kind of the garbage and
everything. But here's something that I
always found, like when they go to certain
places, and if you don't have an answer for this, that's
fine. Or maybe you do. Well, you go to certain places like a
jail or an asylum where it's full of
death, anger, fear. You know, people

(27:56):
are just scared and on and on and on.
Just emotion, Pac. Every emotion you can
think of. Negative, maybe a little positive, but mostly
negative. Packed in there. And you go in there
and you say, hey, can
someone communicate with me? Mostly it's
respectful, which is good. Could you please communicate with me

(28:16):
who's in here? And they'll get an evp. Sometimes
not great. Sometimes good. So
how do you think these spirits want
to. When they do get information, how do they want to
communicate with us in a negative and positive way?
I'm just. I just think that's interesting. You know, how they
communicate.

>> Terri Jay (28:34):
The first thing that they screw up
on when they're. When they're ghost hunting, so to speak.

>> John (28:40):
Okay.

>> Terri Jay (28:40):
is that any information that's going to come through to
them. I want to grip my teeth when I say that. It'going toa be
telepathic. Okay. So if it's
going toa be telepathic, their conversation
mentally is going toa sound like this. Hey,
did what? Oh, are younn. it's that
fast? If you ask a whole sentence, like, can

(29:01):
you come out and communicate with me? You've already missed a
communication because it's all telepathic. So that's
the first way that they really screw up. They really
do because they've missed it. And she be like,
oh, okay, so, oh, what
about, oh, okay, it's that fast as you're going to get the
information, and we know they're doing it for the filming,

(29:21):
that they're putting out this. They go, why are
you here? Why are you stuck? Why haven't
you moved on? You know? And that's just crap.
It's just crap. And you can clear any space
by burning Epsom salts in Everclar. You can
clear out that negative energy. Burning Epsom salt and
Everclar. Yeah. The salt crystals attract the negative

(29:42):
energy and the Everclar allows it to burn. And
you can clear any space that's, you know,
haunted.

>> John (29:48):
So why. Why is sage.
Why is everyone use sage? That.

>> Terri Jay (29:54):
That's a Native American custom
tradition. Yeah, it's Native American.

>> John (29:58):
Right. But it just seems to me like,
I don't know, there's another thing too, where
people feel the spirit because it takes,
obviously you, I don't know if you agree with this or not, a lot of
energy to get the message out. Right.
So do you agree with that or not? because there's been
some, let's be honest, some things where you kind of go,
oh, that's pretty interesting the way this whatever it

(30:21):
is, a message, maybe a picture,
whatever it is, a video, do you believe
in that or do you think that's just something else?

>> Terri Jay (30:29):
I believe it's all energy, you know,
because everything is physics. Right? So, you
know, if you're going to see an apparition, that's just energy. It's just
physics. So it be the same thing as if you were,
you know, Communicating with a
person who's a non physical energy being.

>> John (30:46):
M. Okay. And what would you say how to
do it? Right.

>> Terri Jay (30:50):
Well, the big thing is, is that if you're in a place that is
so called haunted, all
you're gonna pick up on is the negative
energy garbage that was shed off by somebody.
That's what you'renna get. You're not gonna get
the person as they are on the other side. They're all
happy campers.

>> John (31:09):
Right?

>> Terri Jay (31:09):
I and I think that's a good way to determine
what you're connected to or who you're connected to
by. Excuse me, by, you know, feeling in.
Are you picking up something negative or are you re picking up something
positive? You know, I have coffee with my mom every
morning, 8:00 because when she was alive, we had a
phone call. She lived in Vegas. And every morning 8

(31:29):
o'clock we'd get on the phone and she's so cute.
Cause she still goes, what are we doing today? And I go, what do you got, a mouse
in your pocket? That's
our discussion. Anybody, that I connect to, that's
past. They're so easy to get because
you're coming at them with love. And then they can relay
all kinds of silly things. And it's fun where

(31:50):
my client knows it's them. And it's really fun too,
because I call it the golden finger. Because it's
like I see a finger tapping on something for me
to pay attention to it. And I go, okay, I got it. And
one time I'm watching tv, which I do very little,
and it was a Kraft macaroni and cheese commercial. And I'm
hearing blue box, blue box.
Okay, blue box. So I just swiled it away.

(32:12):
The next day I'm doing a crossing over reading. And,
this gal is missing her friend who died. And
I said, I don't get this. I said, he's jumping around the
kitchen and he's got a blue box of Kraft
macaroni and cheese and E each hand. She starts
bawling. She goes, oh my God, Terry.
That's the only thing he ever cooked for me.

>> John (32:33):
Wow.

>> Terri Jay (32:33):
So I get the guidance the day before. Remember this?
Remember this? You know, same thing as I was on
Facebook and they had an article about the hyoid
bone. and it's under the horse's jaw.
I swear I've had 10 horses with hyoid
bone problems since I was shown that
article and told to read it. Isn't that

(32:53):
amazing?

>> John (32:54):
That is. That is amazing. And like I said, that's
always a great message that you're giving. That's why
I love to have your guests like you.
On here is a lot of people
like, how do you deal with when you're talking to
someone and they're saying to you,
terry, I feel that my husband

(33:15):
is suffering. I can feel his pain, you know,
and they're so adamant about that. Maybe
that really is happening. But like, how do you go about that
when someone asks you, like, oh, I know he's suffering. What
can I do to help him?

>> Terri Jay (33:28):
You know, I just give him that. I give him that two minute
physics lesson that nothing negative can go with him
to the other side.

>> John (33:36):
Really. It's spe in
communication.

>> Terri Jay (33:40):
Yeah. Somebody's daring to walk down
our street.

>> John (33:44):
Oh, yeah, I hear that.
Now. Let me ask you to do
you believe in spirit guides?

>> Terri Jay (33:52):
Call them guides.

>> John (33:53):
Okay.

>> Terri Jay (33:54):
I don't like that. Everybody uses soul
spirit and they overuse those words
and they just don't have one
concrete meaning. So I just use
guides. I say guides or guidance. They don't have
names. I know who they are. They make me pay
attention. I have a gay guide who tells me what to wear every
day. Thank you for this. He's adorable. He's freaking

(34:16):
adorable. Wear this and m this and you'll look f
fabulous. You know, I love this guy, whoever
he is. If I go in the kitchen to make something new,
I hear my guide who sounds like she's from Minnesota.
Everything's o. Yeah. Yeah, you betcha. You
know, I just love that. And so my
job is just to listen. That's my job
to my guides and to guidance. But I don't name them. They don't

(34:38):
have names. You know, to me, it's just I lump
em all together.

>> John (34:42):
Yeah, yeah. And one of the
things is with spirit, spirits or whatever
youn to say how people name them. How do
you think people should bring them into their lives?
Cause I know I have a couple friends
who. They don't laugh at me about it, but by
the way, I have four spirit guides and I'm trying

(35:02):
to get in tune with them. I'm working on it. but anyway,
listen.

>> Terri Jay (35:05):
Listen faster because you get a mental
question and you think, I wonder. And then you've got toa get
your whole sentence out in your brain and so you've missed their
response. Cause that's the same kind of thing. Doesn't matter if you're
talking with, people who are non physical or animals that are
non physical or animals or autistic
kids, Everything is telepathic and it's gonna be
over the top. So stop getting so much into your

(35:28):
question and just get like, hey, I
wonder. And then you'll hear the answer. That fast?
Listen. Faster is the guidance. I would tell
everybody. And it's unfortunate
that many, many people who teach this don't teach
that. And it's the most critical, important part of
this.

>> John (35:45):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely man. This is.

>> Terri Jay (35:48):
And the other thing too. Gratitude is so
freickaking important. When you hear something
and you know it's coming from guidance, give thanks
for it. Thank you. I hear you. Thank you so
much. And I'GOTTA tell you, my
experience is that angels do not give us
messages, okay? Come in,
save your highineie as much as is in your best interest and

(36:11):
they're gone that fast, they come in, save you,
bye. And so many people are saying messages from
angels, it's like, no, that's guid. And they want to argue with me
about it. And I'll go, here's the deal. If you heard
something and you said, are you my angel? Your
guides are gonna go, yeah, okay, that's the
ticket, right? And then it's like, are you the
Archangel Michael? yeahe. Okay, yeah, I'm the

(36:33):
Archangel Michael. And the whole thing is because you're finally
listening. That's why that happens. And so people
believe they're getting messages from angels and it's
all guides. Because like I said, angels have one function.
Save your honey, goodbye. That's it.

>> John (36:47):
M. That, that's really.
So let's. Let's flip to the other side.

>> Terri Jay (36:51):
Okay.

>> John (36:52):
Do you believe there's evil in the
world? And why.

>> Terri Jay (36:56):
Oh, that's a really good question. I believe we have connection
to Source and lack of connection to Source.
It's that, it's that simple. Is that people that are
evil, that do bad things, they're gonna get bad
karma anyway. So I don't
believe in actual like what you would. I mean there are people
that do horrible, horrible things and it's terrible.
But I don't. I just believe they don't have a connection to

(37:19):
Source.

>> John (37:19):
Okay.

>> Terri Jay (37:20):
Because when you feel, and this is why, when you
feel that incredible unconditional love
from Source, when you're tapped into Source energy and
you feel that unconditional love, you only
have a desire for good stuff and good things
and good for everybody. Because that
unconditional love is so overwhelming. It's
life changing.

>> John (37:41):
Yes, yes, absolutely. Now
I don't mean to bring this down or anything like
that, but you've Heard of stories where people
have physically been what
they call possessed, have done evil things.
So why, if there's good spirit guides and
angels, why can't there be evil spirit guides

(38:02):
and evil angels making us do terrible
stuff? But you see what I'm saying? I mean,
that'there's got to be a balance.

>> Terri Jay (38:10):
Most of those is serious psychiatric cases. That's
it.

>> John (38:13):
Okay.

>> Terri Jay (38:14):
Really? Because think about it. You know, I've heard about
people. Oh, yeah, they put them in the psych ward because they were hearing
voices. And I want to
go, why? Well, they were hearing
voices. Okay. I hear voices all day, every day. And the
difference is I'm a very happy person.
I love helping people, and I'm a responsible

(38:34):
person that takes care of whatever needs to be taken care of.
That's the difference. If you get somebody who can't
be responsible for themselves, that's a serious mental
health issue. We do not take care of mental health issues in
this country.

>> John (38:46):
That is for sure. This, by the way, I'm huge
in. Into mental health, and this, episode will probably
de, air during, May Mental Health Month. We
should have more than one month, in my opinion. But that's a whole different
podcast, right?

>> Terri Jay (38:59):
It should be every month.

>> John (39:01):
Absolutely.
So let me ask, Let me, let me ask you this. Here's two
things that. And here's my second tangent. Two
things I've heard. And this is coming from. This
is just something I heard and read an article about
this. So the Pope's exorcist, and I know you're
probably rolling your eyes.

>> Terri Jay (39:18):
No, no, that's okay.

>> John (39:19):
Has said that he believes
98% of, times they go on an
exorcism, which that has happened many, many
times. There are records of this. He believes
there's some type. To your point, mental
health issue. But the 2%
he cannot explain. And priests cannot explain.
And not only priests. You do not like I've been told

(39:41):
by priests and other people, you do not have to be a priest
to do an exorcism. It's just the fact that they have
the skills and the knowledge and the training and they have
the power. And it's similar to you have
the skills and the gifts and everything that everyone can
do. However, it helps. Right, so
here's my thing. This goes back to again, Terry,

(40:02):
that 2%. There's still 2%.

>> Terri Jay (40:04):
Yeah, but here's the thing. Do we still have that
word manifestation? So if you get somebody
who's mentally ill or,
if you believe in demonic possession, you
can manifest demonic possession. See,
there has to be the belief, the thoughts and the
feelings. And if somebody goes around long enough

(40:24):
going, oh, I'm possessed. Oh, I'm possessed. Oh, it's a
demon. I have a demon inside of me. They tell themselves
that enough or other people tell them that, which
happens a lot. I've heard parents call
their child a demon child. Do you know how damaging that
is?

>> John (40:39):
Yes.

>> Terri Jay (40:40):
So to me, they've manifested it in some
way, either by their consciousness
or they're subconscious. They've manifested
it.

>> John (40:49):
So here's something. I'm going toa do an episode on it.
Because at first I kind of believe believed it and then I'm like, oh
boy, when you find out more. And I'm. You're enlightening
me. By the way. You have great knowledge and I totally appreciate
it. So the Warrens, I don't know if you're familiar
with them. They were a couple who went out and
they basically did supposedly you

(41:10):
all these exorcisms and you
know, different things. They have a
section of their house which has
cursed items in it. One of the cursed items in
is a doll called Annabelle. It is me
and you are roughly around the same age. We know Raggedy and.
And Andy. We played with them.

(41:30):
Maybe our, grandma and grandpa gave us it as a
present. Is possessed by the devil.
And I did more research into it and more things
into it and it obviously turned out to be a fraud. However,
there are people who say that is not a
fraud. But they made millions.
Terrists. They had their own. They have movies. The Conjuring.
The Conjuring too. Specials, documentaries. I know you're

(41:53):
trying to get a show. They had a show. They had all this stuff.

>> Terri Jay (41:55):
Sure.

>> John (41:56):
Doesnn't that. How does that affect you? You know, I mean, because
you're talking about I it. You ignore it and why?

>> Terri Jay (42:02):
Because'it doesn't. It's not in my belief
system. I don't want to give it any energy. You know, you
give energy to stuff. You give focus on it. It's
like people that are cancer survivors, they
should never use the C word again as long as they
live.

>> John (42:16):
Yeah.

>> Terri Jay (42:17):
And yet they all say I'm a cancer survivor and I'm
cancer free and it's my anniversary of
being cancer free. And then cancer goes.
You wanted us to come back because they're so
focused on the C word. It'll come back.

>> John (42:31):
Yeah, right.

>> Terri Jay (42:32):
So the universe hears what you're focused on. Not the yes or
no.

>> John (42:35):
Yes.

>> Terri Jay (42:36):
We have to remember that.

>> John (42:38):
Yeah.

>> Terri Jay (42:39):
and here's the other thing, just on that same
note. Cancer awareness causes
breast cancer. Hm, Proven. It's proven.
M because it puts women into fear. Oh my
God. Oh my God. I better go get checked. What?
Oh, I think I feelll a lump. Right?

>> John (42:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Terri Jay (42:56):
And then, you know, energy, energy healing is
so important. Anytime you get a terrible
diagnosis, you've gotta do energy healing. You've got toa find
the emotional cause of the issues in the
tissues, right? And release it. You know, I
have so many clients that were given terminal
diagnosis that are here, still here 20, 25 years
later and fine. Because not only did they do

(43:18):
whatever allopathic medicine, you know, recommended it,
but they also did energy healing to release the cause. That's
so important.

>> John (43:25):
Yeah, yeah. That's just amazing.
Amazing.
So here are my questions. I'm going toa ask you that
maybe you've gotten before, Terry, that, I don't know, maybe
they're probably, you've heard them enough, you can answer them. But this
would be really hard for me. So have you ever got a
question while you're doing a reading, you talking to someone,
having a conversation, and they say to you, Terry,

(43:46):
what is my purpose or path in this
lifetime?

>> Terri Jay (43:50):
How? I love that question. I love that
question.

>> John (43:53):
Okay.

>> Terri Jay (43:53):
What we forget is that we are source energy
in a meat suit. we are. God is in every
cell of our body. Okay? So we are not
separate from our source. The creator
intends to create. It's why we have what
we do, like the earth, the planets, the universe.
And you have to have the intention to create. So all

(44:14):
of us are imbued with the energy of
the Creator. So what we're supposed to do
is create our own life. You can't
create if you're non physical. Which is why we come into
physical forms in order to create. What
we decide to create depends on us.
And the key is to find out what you're passionate

(44:34):
about and figure out how to make a living with it. And
that's been easy for me because I've been
passionate about horses my whole life and I'm still
working with them and still riding too. Even though I'm older than
dirt, I'm still riding.

>> John (44:47):
That's awesome. that is awes.

>> Terri Jay (44:49):
So it's too simple, isn't it?

>> John (44:51):
I know, but it's complicated to some people,
right?

>> Terri Jay (44:55):
Well, because they don't have a. They haven't found their passion.
That's the key is find out what you're passionate about and then figure
out how to make A living. Been doing it?

>> John (45:02):
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Have you?
Here's the second question for you. Have you ever gotten this one?
Are there any unresolved matters from
my past that are impacting my
present?

>> Terri Jay (45:14):
Oh, that's a good one. You just have some childhood crap.
Because, you know, we're born powerful, we've just come
from source. We know we're here to create. Even though we're helpless,
we're powerful. And then little by little, people tell you you
can't. You're a boy, you're a girl, you're too stupid, you're too ugly.
And, and so by the time we hit puberty, we feel like. Feel like crap. We
have no self esteem. And so what we need to

(45:36):
do in a real easy tool to use is, think
about who took your power. Whether it's parents,
grandparents, siblings, spouses, people you've
dated, bosses, whoever it is who you feel
has taken your power. You write them a letter and you
tell them off. And then you burn it. And you burn it
while you're saying, nobody's evernna treat me like that

(45:56):
again. And that's how you take your power back.

>> John (45:58):
I love that.

>> Terri Jay (45:58):
And that's like the only thing that prevents us from
manifesting what we want is either our belief
system or, you know, thoughts and feelings not being in alignment,
or we haven't taken our power back.

>> John (46:09):
I love that. I love.

>> Terri Jay (46:10):
Isn't that amazing?

>> John (46:11):
it, is. It's totally amazing. One of the things
I said to my wife one time, by the way,
I suffer from depression. It's been part of my
family history forever. I've worked with, you know, and want
to continue to work on it. and I. Having conversations
with you, Terry, and other people like yourself is
amazing. It makes you feel better. It gives me the power and everything.

(46:32):
But one thing I said, and I have gone to
therapy and stuff like that, one of the things I said
was I would like for people to tell me
they're sorry. I want people in my
life who have treated me like
shit. They come to me and they say, john,
I'm sorry you're, you know, I should've never treated you
that way. whatever reason, I truly

(46:53):
apologize and I want you to know that.
And I remember my wife telling me, she goes, that's never gonna
happen.

>> Terri Jay (47:00):
R's Right.

>> John (47:01):
Right.

>> Terri Jay (47:02):
They probably don't even know they hurt you.

>> John (47:04):
Yeah. Yeah. So I think what you said about
writing a letter, I actually did something very
similar to that. I just started writing things out
and just saying, dear Joe,
no, you.

>> Terri Jay (47:17):
You say, dear, you stupid, MF or
asshole. That's what you say.

>> John (47:22):
Oh, I would change that.

>> Terri Jay (47:24):
okay, don't be nice. this is for you to
get it out. And the interesting thing is, if they're on the
other side, they won't know you're doing it
because they can't perceive anything negative in the earthly
realm, right? So you got toa get out of jail free
card. And the other thing, too. The other thing I want toa
share is if I handed you a blank piece of paper and said, here, can you

(47:44):
go burn this paper? You wouldn't have a problem. But if I handed
you five $100 bills and said, here, go burn this,
you'd have a problem, wouldn't you? Okay. The
difference is when you put printing on the paper, when you
put writing on the paper, you change the frickaking
energy of the paper. So you're taking the garbage out
of you putting it on that paper when you're writing them a

(48:04):
letter. And this is why it's so important to burn it.
You've got to burn it, because then when you're
transmuting the negative
energy and sending it to the ethers, it's no longer.

>> John (48:14):
No longer_h oay.

>> Terri Jay (48:16):
The other thing I would do, too, Joe Dispza, he's
freaking brilliant, but he's got a really good video
called evolve your brain. And that
video really helped my depression. And
the key to it is the minute you feel depressed,
you think of something you're grateful for, because
gratitude changes brain chemistry instantly.
That's proven. So the more grateful you are, the more

(48:39):
you get into gratitude, the less depression you're gonna
probably.

>> John (48:43):
Yeah, I heard that. I heard that before. And
that's.

>> Terri Jay (48:46):
But you're not doing it.

>> John (48:47):
I know I'm not doing it. I know I'm doing, I know
I'm not.

>> Terri Jay (48:51):
Yeah.

>> John (48:52):
And, you know, that's something I have to continue
to work on and get better.

>> Terri Jay (48:57):
Just put gratitude signs up all over where you live.
Just put gratitude. Just put him up all over to remind
you.

>> John (49:03):
I love that. I love that. I will do that. That's
something. Again, anything to help me with that and
to stop. You know, I've had
conversations where I beat myself up, you
know, not physically, obviously, mentally. Right. You spe.
Oh, I'm an idiot. And I'NEVER done that.
And you know what?

>> Terri Jay (49:21):
Okay, but here's the thing. You're forgetting that your
God energy in a meat suit. So if
God appeared in human form in front of you would you treat
God the way you treat you?

>> John (49:31):
Well, no.

>> Terri Jay (49:33):
Probably not a good idea, right?

>> John (49:34):
No.

>> Terri Jay (49:35):
So you're precious because you're not separate
from your source.

>> John (49:39):
I love that.

>> Terri Jay (49:40):
So you have to choose to love yourself tenend the way that
source does. And that's like flipping a light switch. It
is, yeah. You can stand by a light switch
and flip it up and love yourself and flip it down and hate
yourself. You can, you can do that.

>> John (49:53):
Yes.

>> Terri Jay (49:54):
So your chore then is to keep the switch up.

>> John (49:57):
Yeah.

>> Terri Jay (49:58):
And remember, you're a human being, not a human
doing.

>> John (50:02):
I love that. Yes. Oh, thank you,
Terry. That makes welcome much.
Let me an you this too. Has anyone ever come to you
to this, question and said, do you
believe in free will and how does
it intersect with your. Well, readings or your
conversation?

>> Terri Jay (50:20):
Yeah, we have free will. That's, you know, that's a given.
We're always making choices. And the thing that we
forget is there's consequences for our
choices. That's how we forget there's
consequences.

>> John (50:32):
Yeah.

>> Terri Jay (50:32):
So we'either gonna have. We're gonna have a positive consequence or a
negative consequence. So yeah, we have free will, but do
we want the consequences? That's the question we have to answer.

>> John (50:41):
Yeah.
and ah, so here is,
I'll probably know the answer, but I'm gonna ask you anyway.

>> Terri Jay (50:47):
Okay.

>> John (50:48):
What do you do with people who say, terry, you know
what, I flipped that switch. I was positive I
was everything and my life is still in the dumpster,
come on, you know, give me my money back kind of
attitude. How do you handle that?

>> Terri Jay (51:01):
It's usually because they're in what's called I hate
DAV even say this. They're in negative pleasure. They're
enjoying being miserable.

>> John (51:09):
Why would you.

>> Terri Jay (51:09):
I guess I was in negative pleasure when somebody told me I was a
negative pleasure. Oh my God, I got so pissed off. Yeah, no,
I'm not. I don't even. That's bullshit.
I'm not enjoying being miserable. And it was like, well,
yeah, you are. Because if you really hated
being miserable, you'd change it.

>> John (51:26):
Righte. How
do you change it though? other than what you told me.

>> Terri Jay (51:32):
You choose how you think and how you feel. And that thing that pisses
me off is we're choosing how we think and how we feel
in every frickin minute. Every minute we're
making choices about how we think and how we feel.

>> John (51:43):
Yes.

>> Terri Jay (51:44):
That's a big responsibility. It's like you know, adulting
101.

>> John (51:48):
Yeah, yeah. S here's the
thing that I've heard people tell me.
It's really hard to be a good person
nowadays.

>> Terri Jay (51:57):
No, that's not tr.

>> John (51:58):
Explain that.

>> Terri Jay (51:59):
That is not true.

>> John (52:01):
Okay?

>> Terri Jay (52:01):
I can't be. You know, I have people say, how come
you're happy all the time? And how come you're so
nice all the time? I'm like the opposite of a Karen.
You know, I go into places and I go, listen, I have a problem. Can you help
me? Sweetie pie, it's not like
you need to help me because I'm entitled. I'm the
opposite. It's, how can I make your job

(52:23):
easier? You know, the big thing, and this is one of
the. One of the things I use all the time,
is kindness. Always kind.
Always kind. Yes, always.
No matter how pissed off I am.

>> John (52:36):
Yeah. Yeah. And I don't understand why
people need to do the ice SPEN/n years
in retails. A retail manager and I
saw the ugly side
of human beings. They're just. They're just
returning a shirt that, you know, faded
in the wash. And it was like they

(52:56):
lost their children in a fire. And I'm
like, what? And I. I would always look at
them and, you know, this was wrong at this time, but
I'd always look at him and be like, no, I'm not taking that back. Because
I don't like your attitude. So you're stuck with
that. You're gonna keep it. When the people would come on
like you and say, hey, sweetie, yeah, I put this in

(53:16):
the wash. Maybe I put it in a little too long, but
could you help me with this? Because it shouldn't still be
faded. Right?

>> Terri Jay (53:23):
Right.

>> John (53:23):
You know, or something like, I really appreciate your help. I would
always go to, them. Absolutely. Let me take a look at. You're absolutely
right. Let's find another shirt for you. Or
maybe I'll just give you your money back. And maybe you have to go to a different
place. This is not the right. And I
always tell that people now when they're going to return something,
like, I'll be at work and they know I'm a retail manager. Used to be a

(53:43):
retail manager. And they'll be like, hey, John, I tried to return
this. And they wouldn't take it back. You said they would.
And I'm going, well, what'you do? Well, it's kind of
mad. There you go.

>> Terri Jay (53:53):
That's right.

>> John (53:54):
You got, Like you have to go before you go in. Be like, I'm going
to home. I'm gonna Be nice. I'm gonna be
kind. And I said, if you do that
99%, there's always gonna be that little,
you know, 1% of people, nothing can do about
it. They're gonna take it back. So I said, go
and say that. And they got it back.

>> Terri Jay (54:15):
We have to set our intention.

>> John (54:17):
Yeah.

>> Terri Jay (54:17):
And my intention is always to be kind. Always.

>> John (54:20):
Yeah. Because it's like, you know, again,
if you're not. Everything feeds off, you know, we've all been
places, right. Where your vibration
energy again, where you've been in a room
and everybody's mad about something. They're all
angry and that just feeds and it grows
and before you know it, people are yelling and fighting

(54:41):
and like, it just. Guys, if
we just went into that room with it, okay, this is a tough situation.
We got to get through this together. We're gonna get through this together.
Let everybody just calm down and let's, you know.
No, right. Come on, people.

>> Terri Jay (54:55):
It's really a matter of setting intention and being
authentic. No matter how I feel, I'm always
kind. Always.

>> John (55:02):
Absolutely.

>> Terri Jay (55:03):
Even if I don't want to be. And ifbod. If somebody's rude
to me.
I go, are you okay? And a lot of times they'll just break
down into tears, go, what's wrong? Is there
anything I can do to help? And we're talking about people in a
retail setting, you know, because if they
start getting mad at me, I know I'm not the, I'm not
the object of their anger. It's like, are you

(55:24):
okay? Can I help you? And oh my
God. Somebody listening
know, we just have to learn to be. We need to learn to be more
kind.

>> John (55:33):
Absolutely.
So that being said, before we wrap up here, has
there ever been a time, Terry, where you
had somebody that was just so low
and so negative and did you
ever tell them just I can't help you, you
know.

>> Terri Jay (55:49):
Has ever been on, you know, when somebody's in
resistance? You know, when I'm telling them the
things they can do. I always want to give my clients tools.
I don't want to create dependencies. You know, hey, you wan to
go back next week? No, I never do that. That's
unethical too.

>> John (56:04):
Okay.

>> Terri Jay (56:05):
So I always want to try to give people tools so that they can manage
their own life. And so there's been times when no matter what
I say, you can tell they're in resistance, they're in
negative pleasure and they really don't want answers.
They wanted just bit and there Are times when I will
just end. Are reading. I just did it the other day, Ms. Galis.
I said, the way my thing works is on,

(56:25):
energy. The energy's got to flow. Don't
hold anything back. And so she's talking to me about
her dog, and I said, this dog feels
seriously ill to me. She goes, what? We're gonna put him
down Tuesday. That information would have been more
helpful in the beginning than now.

>> John (56:42):
Yes.

>> Terri Jay (56:42):
Do you see what I mean? She was holding back. Holding back, holding
back. And I'm going, how do I tell this to her? This
dog is dying. And she already had a euthanasia
schedule. So it was very uncomfortable for me because
I felt like she was not being truthful. And that's
negative energy, right?

>> John (56:58):
Absolutely.

>> Terri Jay (56:59):
So that's one of those cases where I ended it.

>> John (57:02):
Have you. Have you done that a lot, or have you
done it?

>> Terri Jay (57:06):
no. Most people are. Most people are so great to work with. And
I have clients I've had for 25, 30 years. I love
same clients, you know, Terry, don't yell at me. I got
a new horse. I need you to look at her.

>> John (57:18):
I love that. I love.

>> Terri Jay (57:20):
It's so fun. It's so fun.

>> John (57:22):
Before we go, I saved the best for
last. One of the things is you were on
a TV show. Paul T. T.
Goldman. So tell me about that.

>> Terri Jay (57:33):
Well, I was in the documentary part, and I played
myself, and DE Wallace played me in the drama
series. So her and I are.

>> John (57:42):
It's on my list, the watch, by the way.

>> Terri Jay (57:44):
No, don't. Don't watch it.
No. Well, the premise of this
show is there's this guy named Paul T. Goldman, and I think
he called me, like, in 2005, and he said, terry, I just
got married. He goes, and my wife is insisting on having her name put
on all of my assets. She's really insistent. And I
said, God, this is really weird. She feels like a hooker. And he
goes, what? I said, debby, she doesn't want the money on the dresser.

(58:06):
She wants your stuff. And he goes, it's my wife. I
said, I don't care. I don't care. I said, she feels like a
hooker. And then I said, wait a minute. She's not there all the time,
is she? Well, no, she has to take care of her,
grandmother who has Alzheimer's on the weekend. So she's
gone Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I said, no,
she's hooking. And she was. He hired a private
detective. He hired a private

(58:28):
detective. And, the detective found out that she Was in
fact a hooker. A mad him and into sex.
Sex. What do you call it?

>> John (58:36):
Trafficking.

>> Terri Jay (58:36):
Sex trafficking and passport Frontau.

>> John (58:38):
Yeah. my gosh.

>> Terri Jay (58:39):
Yeah, but the show kind of white. I'm not allowed to talk bad about it,
but they kind of whitewashed it and
I was wrong for bilking Paul
out of thousands of dollars,
which isn't gonna happen. Not at 50 and 90.
Oh, I'm so rich now.

>> John (58:55):
Oo. Oh, yes. You're rolving in it, Terry.
You're rolling it.

>> Terri Jay (58:59):
And I don't allow dependencies. Co dependencies. Like, you
know, the most people can do is like two, two
sessions a month. That's it.

>> John (59:06):
Okay.

>> Terri Jay (59:07):
Yeah.

>> John (59:07):
Speaking of that again, thank you so
much. this has been so enlightening,
so amazing,
transformative. I can't keep using words
here. I'm going toa run out of words. but it has been
great. So let me ask you this. Someone
gets a hold of you, how do they start? How do you
start a good session with them? what do they need to tell

(59:30):
you? We kind of walk through some of those things, but if can kind
of go over them again.

>> Terri Jay (59:34):
Sure. on my website you can actually pick your day and
time pay, and then you can fill out this form.
So I have your name and phone number, contact information
for places that are out of the country. I usually use
WhatsApp, you know, to do the call, which is
so easy. when I get the information,
I'll confirm it, say okay, I'll call you that day and time

(59:55):
and then I'll call them and we just chit chat for a minute and then
I just say, so how can I help? I start every
reading that way because I'm bombarded with information
as soon as I connect to them and I want to help them with what they
want help with, not just what I'm getting.
Because it may or may not be appropriate and they also may not be ready
to hear stuff. Right. Can you imagine if I go, hey,

(01:00:15):
can we talk about your molestation when you were a toddler? And
they have no memory of it.

>> John (01:00:19):
Yah. You know what I mean?

>> Terri Jay (01:00:21):
So I always want to be helpful and appropriate.
So I always say, how can I help? And then they'll say, I have a
dog. And I go, what's the dog's name? How old is the dog? What's going on?
Give me some you background. And then boom, I've got
the dog. And then I'll tell what I'm getting from the dog or
the cat or the horse. And then if they want to talk to somebody
who's passed, which is so much fun because everybody on the other side

(01:00:41):
is such a happy camper.

>> John (01:00:43):
Yes.

>> Terri Jay (01:00:44):
It's really funny because I have to tell him. I said, I have the biggest
grin on my face. I said, this guy is so freaking
funny. Oh, my God, he missed his calling. He should have done
call. And I just get
these impressions, and then I share what I'm getting.

>> John (01:00:57):
Yeah.

>> Terri Jay (01:00:58):
And so that's kind of how it goes. And then they can ask
as many questions as they want. And you.
I'll do as many subjects as they want to.
There's other people that do like horses, and they charge
$50 a horse in a reading.
Yeah. It's like, if you change subjects and, hey, can we talk to this horse,
too? It's another 50 bucks. And I think that's
obscene. I really do.

>> John (01:01:20):
Yeah.
And what do you want? The I don't know,
person or your client, whatever you want to call to get
out of your sessions. What is the biggest thing? So people
would see this and go, like, I want to reach out to Terry, but
I don't know, what do I get out of this?

>> Terri Jay (01:01:34):
I mean, really, Usually they get homework.

>> John (01:01:37):
Homework.

>> Terri Jay (01:01:38):
They're gonna get homework. Yeah. Because I wantn give.
I want toa empower people. Empowerment is so
critical, and I want to give them the tools so that they
can become empowered. And so that's a biggie
for me. As I say, okay, you've got to watch this movie or
download this ebook or get my book. You know,
sometimes I'll do that. I just want to give

(01:01:58):
them the tools because we only have a half hour. An hour.
We're not gonna cover everything. We're gonna try, but
we're not going toa cover everything. So in to give them that
stuff so that they can start training
themselves and learn to become empowered and
happy and abundant and healthy, too.

>> John (01:02:15):
Yeah.

>> Terri Jay (01:02:16):
So, you know, each one is going to vary as far as,
you know, how it's go. Going toa go. But the nice thing is.
And I just. Oh, God, it makes me feel so good
because they tell me they go, oh, my goodness,
I feel so much better. I feel so much lighter. I love
that one. Because if they let go of the garbage in the reading,
so it's really good. It's very seldom you go,

(01:02:36):
well, this was a waste of time. I mean, I don't get
that. I don't get that.

>> John (01:02:41):
yeah, y. I don't get that either.
So tell my audience what's coming
up. what do you want them to look forward to or check out
on your website or social media site?

>> Terri Jay (01:02:52):
I'm very political on my first Facebook
page on the Terry J. Page. I am not political at
all on the Terry J. Cowgirl Shaman page. And I'm
always looking for people to follow on the Terry J. Cowgirl Shaman
page. And I'm going to start doing little
bitty videos about, you know, what's going on with me.
And I'm trying to start a YouTube channel. I'm trying to find

(01:03:12):
somebody that will partner with me for that. they have to be
local to the Carson Valley area or
Northern Nevada area. I'm just one valley east of
Tahoe. That's where I live. And I'm, also,
pitching a TV show. I've got a meeting with a producer coming up.
I've got another producer who's trying to arrange a meeting.
So the TV show is really gonna be coming together and I

(01:03:32):
can't wait for thatuse. It's gonna be so much fun because every time I do
a reading on an animal, which is what they schedule me for,
I do the reading on the animal and then I go, can we talk about your
stuff? Cause here's what I'm getting. It happens almost every time.

>> John (01:03:44):
Almost every time, yeah. I love that. And again, thank
you so much for taking time out here. This.
I'm blessed to know you and, you
know, I hope I can have you on again sometime, anytime.

>> Terri Jay (01:03:56):
I love doing this. I love sharing this information
and also correcting so much of the B's
that's out there. Oh my God.

>> John (01:04:04):
Yeah. What I did last year. Maybe I'll do it this
year too, Terry. If you'd be interested, I had
a roundtable, of Mediums and Clairvoyance.
And they were re all talking about their, you know, situations
they've been in and trying to help people. We didn't,
we didn't do live readings or anything like that. We were, we just
had a nice conversation of how they do it versus

(01:04:25):
how they do it. And they had. Well, I think it. It was just
an amazing, amazing time because
everyone, became friends after it and they were
like, oh, I do this and I do that. And they kind of specialize
in their own little areas, per se.

>> Terri Jay (01:04:37):
Sure.

>> John (01:04:38):
And, So, yeah, so maybe I'll let you know if that. If I do that again because I
had a great time and my audience had a great time because we let
people ask questions. We just said no readings,
no, you know, we don't want to get into things.
Please contact each medium after
the show, and they will gladly help you with,
whether it be a pat, whether it be developing your

(01:04:58):
skills, whether it be talking to a
lost, love or whatever you wa wantna say. You know what I
mean?

>> Terri Jay (01:05:04):
Yeah, I actually just. I was
just on a, podcast, and they said, can we ask you
questions? Can you do a reading live? And I went, yeah.
They said, well, you'll really do it live. Yeah. And they said,
well, nobody else will. I went, why? What are you
afraid of?

>> John (01:05:19):
Yeah, I'll have to remember that. Maybe we'll have to do that. I'll have to bring
you on and do a read. I had one though,
Terry, and it went really well, but it was so
personal, I decided to air it.
They. She, the medium was a really great medium,
and we're friends now because I've had her on the show a couple
times and she asked me, I'll just do one. Becausee she know

(01:05:40):
I was kind of feeling. She says, john, there's something off about you tonight.
Can I. Can I do a reading? I think it's something off. And it was around my
mom's birthday, and we started to do one because I
always. My mom's been dead for about four years now, but I love my
mom so much. And we started talking and she
was like, your mom's trying to communicate to you right now, and she's
saying everything's okay. Don't worry. She says she loves

(01:06:00):
you and you'll be fine. It just kind of developed into
that, but I didn't put it out because I was like, you got into another
personal stuff. And I'm like, I couldn't do it, but
doesn't mean I won't if it doesn't, you know, get too
personal with my family in my right.

>> Terri Jay (01:06:14):
Well, I'm also very respectful of people's
privacy, too. Just like I told you, let's talk
about your sexual abuse. You know. No, no, no.

>> John (01:06:25):
O. I love it. I love it. So, again,
thank you, Terry. I am blessed to know you. And,
you're here one of my friends right now,
because everyone's been on this show. It's always my friends. And, when this episode comes
out, like I said, it will come out during, mental health
awareness. And I will have all the different.
For my spooky friends out there, have all the different links and every.

(01:06:45):
Please reach out to Terry. You know, she is a
wonderful, loving, caring person who's
going to listen to you. And going to do the right thing
by you. And that's. You know, sometimes I know it's
hard, but you want to do that. But believe me, like Terry
said, you're gonna feel better even if you have one
session with her. And, you know, maybe

(01:07:05):
it's too much. That's okay, you know, who knows? But,
you know, I think Terry will hand you
professionally and courteesously and do everything in power to
make your life better.

>> Terri Jay (01:07:15):
Yep.

>> John (01:07:16):
I love it.

>> Terri Jay (01:07:16):
That's what I try to do.

>> John (01:07:18):
Thank you, Terry. Thanks for having me
again. This was so much fun.

>> Terri Jay (01:07:23):
all righty. Thanks for having me.

>> John (01:07:25):
Thanks, dear. Bye.

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