January 14, 2025 • 37 mins
In Part 2 of "The Religion of Blackness" series, Pastor Eric Noorthoek continues his candid conversation with Donald Taylor, exploring the transformative power of the Gospel to shatter false identities and rebuild a new creation in Christ. Donald shares his deeply personal journey of leaving behind the "kingdom of blackness," a system of indoctrination that shaped his worldview, and finding true freedom in Christ.
Together, they discuss the cost of following Christ, the devastation of losing worldly identities, and the hope found in being remade in the image of Christ. This episode dives into the dangers of intersectionality, the persistence of woke ideologies in culture and church, and the importance of a biblical anthropology that transcends constructs like race.
If you've ever wrestled with issues of identity, race, or how to navigate these conversations biblically, this episode will challenge and encourage you to cling to the hope and freedom found in the Gospel.
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.... I spent 17 years railing against God, 17 years trying to come to him on my
own merits and hating him to his facebecause he would not take my sacrifice.
I was Cain.
And I hated everybodywho thought otherwise.
I really tried to go to Princeton toget a PhD because I knew if I went to a
place like that, it was shut your mouthwhen I sit in the room and debate you
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on the falsity that is Christianity.
So I'm coming in, I'm coming to Christ.
Fully rainbow gay, I'm comingto Christ fully black, right?
And so for me to actually bow the knee toChrist, all of that had to be destroyed.
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All right, welcome to another episode ofFaithcast, a ministry of Faith Baptist
Church here in Visalia, California.
My name is Eric Noorthoek and I'm oneof the pastors here at this said church.
And it is good to be here.
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It's good to be behind the mic.
And it's good to be alive.
It's good to be A believer, it is good tonot be deceived by the deceptions that are
common in our day and that are rampant.
And it is good to be in the word of God ona daily basis, day by day and week by week
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deconstructing lies and reconstructingthe truth based on the source of
absolute truth, which is God's word.
There is no reason for us to be deceived,and we are given we are given truth.
And and there's no question about it.
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And so this is, this kind of leads usinto the discussion that we're having
with my good friend, Donald Taylor, whosat down with me and we're discussing
the issue of race and his journey inhis his deconstruction in his life of
the religion of blackness, which haddefined so much of his life and then being
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being brought back into being rebuiltinto a new identity in Christ and just
the importance of this conversation.
Without saying much more let's go aheadand we're just going to jump right back
into part two of this conversation.
Enjoy.
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We're in a historical moment where thesecategories have to be defined, right?
How many times do you have to hearthat You're not a man or a woman.
You're, you don't, they don'teven know what gender you are.
There's no, there's no
male.
There's no female.
Yeah,
If we're sitting in a world where,if you think that something as
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fundamental as your sex is up for debateor that you are, or that you think
that, let me say this differently.
The people out the world system,as first John calls it, right?
The world system issitting here, redefining.
Trying to redefine gender.
Sex redefine sex, right?
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Even though you have the equipment thattells you that you are a male, right?
Which in Genesis, it isvery clear who a male is.
If you can circumcise it,it's a male regardless.
And what a male and a female is,please do not think that they do
not have the same commitment to.
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Political terms likethe racial categories.
And so it all has to be, you donot have to be a woke warrior.
An anti woke warrior.
You just need to know whatGod says on these topics.
And I'm not trying to sayyou have to be an expert.
That's why you have people.
Dare I say, that's why you have peoplelike me, people like your preachers.
Who will be the nerds for youto tell you what the word says.
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The only thing I'm asking is that whenyou are taught on it, just know thus says
the Lord and then move on with your life.
And if somebody says something that'sagainst that, or if you think something
that's against that, then you remindyourself or you remind that brother and
sister of the hope they have in Christ.
And that thus says the Lord, youdo not have to think that way.
Forgive me.
I just went on a rant.
No
that's absolutely right.
Like God's word is the only.
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authority for a right view.
I'm not saying that we, obviouslythrough natural revelation we can
receive truth, but God's word tellsus a God view of anthropology.
The Bible from the beginning, Adamand Eve were created and they are our,
Adam is our father, Eve is our mother.
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There is no race.
It doesn't exist.
That's a a construct and it has beenused to, if you look at Hegel's dialect,
the dialectical thinking, which isthe foundation of Marxism and all
of this, the craziness, that's whatyou're seeing happen with blackness.
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It is.
To divide,
and you said, I'm sorry, yousaid interesting thing, right?
Race is a construct.
And here's the funny thing.
When I first started hearingpeople right now, I'm speaking
on the political left and right.
When I hear people on the politicalright, say, race is just a construct.
It's not even real.
Then when I hear the people on theleft that respond to that, they're
not telling the truth that if youread the literature on the left,
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they say that it's a construct.
Yeah,
and that is actually why The ideathat white is over black is a
falsity because it was all made up,
right?
It was all made up Yeah, but you'resaying they're being honest about that
within the inner circlewithin the inner circle.
Yeah.
Yeah, they know that Because they knowit's a construct and so because they
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know it's construct they think that theycan override The hierarchical society
at least as they understand it, butthen when the people on the right say
it's a construct The left won't tellthem, Oh yeah, we know it's a construct.
And so what ends up happeningis the right people on the right
are thinking to themselves.
I know the truth.
I know that, I know that this isn't real.
So this conversationshouldn't even be occurring.
What I'm saying that Christiansneed to do is yes, of course.
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At admit the fact that it's a construct.
We all know it's a construct.
A white person puts theirhand on a white board.
Your hand is not white.
I'm wearing a black sweater.
My skin is not black.
And so it is not, as I told a brotherof mine, it is not an objective truth.
I seek to live by objective truths.
And since I, operate in a propositionalreligion who tells me what to think,
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and also what to think about it.
And when I need to shut my mouth and justtrust what God has to say about the matter
then I shut my mouth about those things.
It is not an objective truth.
Also, it's not immutable.
And so since I know it's not immutable.
Both sides.
No, it's not immutable.
The issue or yeah, immutable.
The issue is that the religious orthe right, and I'm not using those
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synonymous, but the religious or theright people think that they've come
up on a new idea that it's a constructwhen the people on the left have been
saying that for the whole, they'veknown that there's a construct.
They won't tell you that it's a construct.
And you also in your mind, dare Isay, if you're anything like me, you
will not admit that it's a construct.
Because you are committed to it as aperson, as a frog in your hot world.
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We're forced
into it.
Yes.
Speaking from, my, just using theterms black and white, we have
categorized everybody, at least inthis whole conversation in America,
as one side or the other of thisdivide, of this construct, either
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you're black or you're white.
Yeah.
And so even by using those terms, andthis is what I think you're saying is
we are contributing to the problem.
Yes.
Because we're propping up something thatboth sides recognize as a construct.
But it's like the Emperor's,clothes kind of thing.
Nobody wants to actually saythat the Emperor is naked.
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Because, it, on the one side,it's their entire foundation
for their, for the power grab.
And the other side, it's because,whether they admit it or not, By,
we're, we're trying to figure out howwe're supposed to act because of these
the black people say they're oppressedand the white people are, there's
all this virtue signaling going on.
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And so we end up in thisvicious cycle race baiting.
And
yeah, and we are blessedwith a great father.
And why am I saying that now?
Because.
You do not have to do deepBible study to find out what
the Bible has to say about this.
Let me give you someevidence from this morning.
My son is just learning how to read.
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And so he is slowly readingthrough the book of Genesis.
Today we read Genesis.
Last last week we read through Genesis10 to of course, the table of nations.
I do not suggest that with a firstgrade reader, but we did it anyway.
And so it was a good opportunity forme to discuss with him that, people
use the word of God to do evil things.
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And that there are some peoplethat do not like the sons of Ham.
Now he's looking what doesthat have to do with anything?
I said some people think that, I don'tlike you cause you're a son of Ham.
I don't like you cause you're, and ifyou don't know what I'm talking about,
go back to Genesis 10 Noah's sons.
I don't like you causeyou're the son of Shem.
I don't like you causeyou're the son of Japheth.
Now you may say, why does thiseven come up in your conversation?
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Because I'm helping him to trace the seed.
The seed comes through Shem.
Yeah,
but Ham is sitting there.
I've been taught about what somepeople argue happened with him
as far as the race conversation.
And also my son is light-skinned.
He's adopted, and I have already hadto correct a number of people who
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try to say, you have a white kid.
Why do you have a white kid?
Why do you have a white kid?
I don't know.
God gave me this child.
I don't know what you're talking about.
God gave me a son.
And it's not the waythat I, by the way, even.
Even the presence of my son is evidenceof salvation because in a previous
world view, you will not adopt achild that's categorized as white.
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That is almost blasphemous, right?
You don't do that because thereare so many quote, unquote, black
kids in the system that need help.
Why are you adopting the white kids?
And My former religion would eventeach me that even though he was
born to a woman who was high onmeth, he was born high on meth.
He had nothing but the onesieon his back and a gray little
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bin full of hospital things.
That's all he had that I shouldnot take him in because he's
white because he's white.
Yeah.
And so there, there are personal reasonswhy I had to do some investigation
because I'm going against everything.
I was taught to adopt that little boy.
But that notwithstanding, so Iuse it as an opportunity just to
help him understand that peopleuse the Bible to do evil things.
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So he needs to be aware of that.
Now we get to Genesis 11.
And again, I'm trying to helpyou understand that it does
not take deep exegesis to getto some conclusions on this.
We're reading a third gradelevel kiddie Bible, right?
Genesis 11, the Tower of Babel.
And that, in that passage, atleast two questions are answered.
Number one, why do wehave all these languages?
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Why do we say Ola?
Hello.
Bonjour.
Boko Tauv.
Why are we saying all this stuff?
Why don't we fully, why do I haveto learn Hebrew to read the Bible?
Because God mixed up the languages.
Verse nine.
Also though, how do peopleget all around the world?
I think it was verse eight, right?
He scattered everybody.
I didn't go into the conversationabout the skin tones, but it lays the
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groundwork for explaining things like,how did everybody get where they are?
Why do we speak these different languages?
Why do people from the same countrywho grew up in the same country as a
people, why do they all look similar?
We can talk about interbreeding,we can talk about all these things.
But all those implicationswere pulled from a five year
old reading Genesis 11, right?
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So it's not like it takes deepexegesis to come up with the answer.
You just have to think about what you'rereading and interrogate your assumptions.
And that's all that it is, andthat's just general Bible study.
That's how you study the Bible.
Yeah, that's all.
You
let it correct what you're thinking,or you let it give you answers for
questions you didn't know you had,and then use those as your answer.
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So when I ask him, for instance, sowhy do we have so many languages?
Oh, the Lord God mixed all mixed upthe language and, the whole world.
That's your answer.
Yeah.
We don't need a deepphilosophical explanation.
What I'm saying about these peopleand about the religion of blackness
is that they give you differentdefinitions and that's the problem.
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And so they think that that theseed did not come through sham.
It came through ham.
That's what they're really arguing, right?
And that's a problem becausethat's not what the narrative says.
And that's because the ham must have beendark skinned or at least Cush's son was.
Because that's where, theEthiopians and, the Cushites or
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whatever, they're dark skinned.
And they're described that in Isaiah 17,I think, no, anyway, somewhere in there.
In Isaiah.
In Isaiah.
Isaiah.
I just preached to it.
Yeah, you're, that is so fascinatingbecause you are so committed to, in,
in that system, to blackness that it,you're going to change even the seed,
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even though our entire salvation dependson seed the seed coming through Shem.
Yes.
Yes.
That's, this is the biblical narrative.
Yes.
Yes.
We'll And, but you're going to redefineit and say, because what matters is
not what matters is not what the Biblesays so much is that you are black,
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right?
Because it's a testimony about God.
It's not the testimonyof God about himself.
Which is, it seems like a slight thing.
Yeah.
But it's a massive
difference.
And that's why it's been this massivedebate lately, over the last few years,
over whether Jesus was black or white.
Yes,
by all means.
Because if
he's white,
Then that, that's a problem.
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He can't be white.
A
white man's not gonna release, themfrom, the black man from his oppression.
So he's gotta be black.
That's what we've come to.
And so going back toit's remaining ignorant
and
in trying to play by the rulesof this construct propagates,
it props the whole thing up.
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It keeps it.
Moving forward and then you got guyslike Matt Chandler who are now preaching
in such a way that it's, there's thisindoctrination that is coming through in
subtle ways in his preaching and others.
This is not going to end any, there'sa lot of people saying the woke that,
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that whole thing is just dying down.
It's been unraveled.
It's not.
No.
They have, they have a, if you dothe history or let the nerds like
me do it, there's a pattern, right?
Every about 20, 30 years,there's another uproar.
Yeah.
So if they follow the samepattern, what they have done
now, they've had their uproar,
right?
What they are doing now.
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If they follow the same pattern isthat they have gone back to your public
schools, they have gone back to youruniversities, or some of the moms have
gone back to their homeschooling, andthey are raising up the next generation.
And so now there are more people, evendeeper indoctrinated with what we now
call wokeness, but they're a lot moresavvy now because you learned from
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2020, you can't say certain things.
So now they're going to sayit differently in 2050, right?
But this thing, they go back andcheck, please fact check me, check
about every 20,
30 years, there's a massive uproar, right?
The last massive uproars in the nineties.
Before that it was the sixties,please check me back there.
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Before that it was thetwenties and thirties.
Please check me back there.
It was a late 1800 and check me, please.
It's every 20 or 30 years.
There's an uproar.
And but just understand thatthese people do not go away.
These people.
And why?
Because these are demons.
They are not,
it's a doctrine of demons,
right?
And so the demons just teachthe next generation, and they,
and again, they get more.
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They get more They get more savvy thenext time around because they know, they,
again, they know what catchphrase, wehave now caught on to the catchphrase
as my grandmama used to say, by thetime I find out about what the cool
kids are doing, it ain't cool no more.
They moved on to the next thing.
So we have peeped game as theyused to say where I'm from.
And so now that we have peeped game,then the game is changing and it
usually takes a couple of decades.
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But if you think about it, the kidsthat are being indoctrinated now are
the kids that are going to be the ones.
Giving the new line of wokeness later,
whatever it is, whatever
that's going to be.
And the only thing we have to do Becausewe have a good God is simply read
our Bibles and seek to understand it.
You don't have to read All the wokebooks, leave that to fools like us who
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are fools for Christ, who are goingto read this foolishness and call out,
when the wolf is in the room, you justread your Bible and you just seek to
understand your Bible and the power ofthe Holy Spirit and you will be fine.
My thing is, though.
Leave no stone unturned.
Then this is why this is such an importantdiscussion because it agnosticism
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or, practice ignorance propagates it.
So especially you'restudying to be a a preacher.
I'm a pastor.
I preach all constantlythroughout the week through four
or five times a week usually.
And My job then is to take down your job.
Yes.
Is to take down these argumentsand then to teach our people Yes.
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How to do this.
And I, it was interesting, you, we weretalking earlier about when you came to
Christ . It was like an entire kingdom.
Oh yes.
That felt, because you, your Kingdomof blackness was your religion.
Yes.
And then you read yourBible or you I don't I
may I be.
Family friendly explicit here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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If you think about the array of wokeidentities you have LGBTQIA plus who
knows if they're going on somethingelse, but you have blackness.
There's even something called Oh,I forgot what it's called, but the
main idea is subaltern is calledsubaltern, which are any Asian
that ain't yellow, quote unquote.
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So there'll be the Indians, the Burmese,the Filipinos Vietnamese, all of them.
Right.
And then of course you have Africansub, sub Saharan Africans, though,
South Americans notice that I'm sayinganything that ain't European, anything
that ain't American, quote unquote.
And when I say American, you'rethinking of John, of Paul Bunyan.
I'm not thinking of John Henry, right?
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If you don't know who they are,Google them look up the images.
I operated when God saved me, Ioperated on the LGBTQ plus spectrum.
And black.
So in the web of intersectionality,I'm checking out two of those boxes.
Both of those boxes come withvery robust theological systems,
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queer theology, black theology.
All of them are informedby feminist theology.
Unbeknownst to me, they were alsoinformed by liberal theology.
I didn't know anythingabout that at the time.
And of course, liberation theology.
So when I come to Christ and whenI say come to Christ, drawn to
Christ, I'm gonna make it seemlike I finally came to my senses.
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I am not the prodigal in that way.
When God saved me I had to.
Not by choice, by the way becausemy, my conversion experience
was not like my wife's.
My wife is so humble.
Somebody had a littleBible study with her.
They read the verse and she thought,Oh, is that what I have to do?
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Amen.
I'll do it.
She goes home, she cleans out her room.
I'm like, what in the world?
I do not have the experience.
I spent 17 years railing against God,17 years trying to come to him on my
own merits and hating him to his facebecause he would not take my sacrifice.
I was Cain.
And I hated everybodywho thought otherwise.
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This is why I was, this is why I spenta lot of time in the Northeast trying
to go to those premier institutions.
I really tried to go to Princeton toget a PhD because I knew if I went to a
place like that, it was shut your mouthwhen I sit in the room and debate you on
the, the falsity that is Christianity.
So I'm coming in, I'm coming to Christ.
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Fully rainbow gay, I'm comingto Christ fully black, right?
So I'm fine.
I'm flying multiple flags.
The issue with those two identities inparticular, I don't know about others.
I've only walked in my own moccasins,as they say, is that those two I
don't know what you, territories,because it's all in one kingdom.
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Those two territories in that one kingdomcome with an extremely well articulated
and well built artifice of philosophy.
And so for me to actually bow the knee toChrist, all of that had to be destroyed.
What I try to explain to people.
is that everybody has to submit to Christ.
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And for everybody, that meansthat they have to kill themselves.
They have to die to themselves.
That's what Matthew saysthat there's no arguing that.
But again, I can only speak frommy own perspective on this topic.
For me, it was devastating.
Yeah.
Everything I was taught that Iam, and then is for not, I can't
explain to you how destructive it is.
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To hear that your blackness doesnot matter to me because I love you
because I made you with my image.
And that sounds like a weirdcontrarian destructive.
What does that mean?
Yes, destructive, right?
There's something atthe end of Matthew 20.
Forgive me as I turned to real quick.
I've been in interpretive problem.
I'm trying to work through.
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Thank you.
Matthew 21 verse 44.
This is right after Jesustalks about himself being the
stone that builders rejected.
This became the chief cornerstone.
This came about from theLord and is marvelous in our
eyes and it is Matthew 21 44.
And he who falls on this stonewill be broken to pieces.
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But on whomever it falls, itwill scatter him like dust.
I have a question mark in my text.
If you look at it, you can seenow I don't fully know what
Jesus is talking about there.
And I'm purposely not tryingto figure it out until I'm
done reading it for the month.
What I suspect there is that it'san encapsulation of my experience.
He who falls on this stonewill be broken to pieces.
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My wondering is Christ sayingthat when you fall by choice
quote unquote, by divine choice.
You will be broken right inscripture to be broken is good.
Yeah.
But the second part, but right.
Introducing as pastor says, Oh, there'sa contrast here, but on whomever it
falls, it will scatter him like dust.
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My experience is similar to both of those.
Yeah.
Everything I've believed,everything I've put my hope in.
everything.
It's hard for me to explain to youhow deep those tentacles go when
you exist in those categories.
Everything was broken to pieces.
I had nothing left.
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I couldn't even find ajob when God saved me.
Yeah.
And I've been workingsince I was nine years old.
Everything was destroyed.
And then the more I sat under goodteaching, Praise God for pastors.
Praise God for pastors, man.
I'm so glad I don't haveto do this on my own.
I get to sit down, shut my mouthand listen to some good teaching.
And nobody was, nobody's preachingsermons on what it doesn't
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mean to be black or white.
Nobody's preaching, they're preachingthe word of God and the Holy
Spirit is applying it uniquely toevery single person in that room
because he loves his people, right?
So I'm sitting there andwhat I'm realizing is that
everything that I was, Has to go.
And again, it is hard toexplain the devastation in that.
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And so what I had to do, contrary towhat these deconstruction people would
be talking about, what I actually hadto do was I had to, I am coming to a
better understanding of who is thisnew creation and this new creation
is number one, not defined by any ofthose terms, which is true liberation.
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And I'll say that all day, even peoplewho call themselves white, you are truly
liberated when you can come out of that.
That doesn't mean that youstop, whatever you can choose.
You are freeing Christ todo what you want to do.
But when you know, in your mind andin your heart and in your spirit, I'm
none of this, I am God's, and if thatmeans something particular, and when
you know that, even though you goagainst the world, God will defend you.
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Even against your own flesh.
Then you have to go, then you submityourself to the process where you have
to reconstruct a new identity in Christ,which is, which for me personally, and I
suspect for more people that are willingto say out loud, is a tremendous process
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that requires A lot of meditation onGod's word, because he slowly, you want
to talk about unpacking the knapsack.
He slowly disabuses you ofall of your assumptions.
And for me, that meansI lost my whole world.
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There are some people I can'teven talk, I'm going to cry.
I can't even talk to anymore.
Because I ain't black.
They don't want anything to do with it.
Yeah, they don't wantnothing to do with it.
You're no longer black.
Yeah, I'm some weird anomaly to them.
I have lost my entire community.
Yeah.
I've lost everything.
And the only hope that I haveis what Jesus told them, right?
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Whatever you give, you're goingto get it back and eternal life.
He says as if it's an afterthought,Oh yeah, I'm a hook you up.
Right.
MacArthur says that, what I'm goingto argue with you about houses
when I'm going to have them allin the new heaven and new earth.
I ain't got to argue withyou about this right now.
That's right.
So not only will I get thehookup on everything I will
inherit the entire earth, right?
Because of the love that God hasfor his own through Jesus Christ.
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But I will also get eternal life.
So I'll get to enjoy it forever, right?
But if you are still stuck in the oldsystem, even as a believer because I
think I do think that's possible Yeah.
Yeah, because like you said it's, you'regoing, it took you, what'd you say?
16 years just to get to thispoint or whatever it was.
Yeah.
17 years to be saved.
And now it's nine,
10 years in.
And you're Still working through it.
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They're still working through it.
Yeah.
It's
not, there are brothers and sisterswho are very much entrenched in this.
Yes, still are.
That are true brothers and sisters.
And they have This is whyit matters to all of us.
Yes.
If we love, The bride of Christ.
We love the brothers and sisters.
It should matter.
Yeah.
And the interesting thing is before aholy God, the devastation that had to
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occur in my mind and in my heart, it'snot different than what you had to do.
No.
It's still in the front of God, right?
Even, I was just talking to a abrother the other day about, about
our lowly Chicago Bears, right?
The football team, right?
If your kingdom is built aroundthe NFL, it's the same thing.
Yeah.
It could be that whole world.
Yeah.
You still have to, Oh my, do youmean I actually have to miss the
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game because church, this mankeeps preaching past the kickoff,
And by the way, yes.
Yes.
Yes.
And even on Superbowl Sunday.
Yes.
Absolutely.
And so it's not that before God, it'snot that it's any different for anybody.
It's all, we all arecoming out of that kingdom.
And so we are all doing that hard work.
It's just that I think the difference isif one could categorize it as something
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that's different, is that because ofthe political climate we are currently
in, and because God has ordained forus to be in the United States at the
time that we are in the United States,just looks more visible to people.
Yeah.
But I don't deny that.
Other people are doing the same hard work.
It's just that mine's looks likeit because I'm the fool walking
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around saying I ain't black.
Yeah.
So what mean?
What are you talking about?
But it's the same work.
It's the same work that we all have to do.
And so I do think it's the Biblesays it is incumbent upon us to spur
one another on, and some of that ishelping people to understand the hope
they have in Christ and the freedom.
That we all have, no matter how sweetit seems, like you said yesterday,
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we enjoy the fruit of Babylon.
Yeah.
It's so sweet.
Yeah.
To our, but just no,that's not a good metaphor.
But anyway, it It gets bitter later.
Yeah, it really does.
Yeah.
Crisis is better.
Yeah.
And it's interesting 'cause asyou were describing that passage
there in Matthew, in it talks aboutthe, the stone that falls on it.
. What's the word there?
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The, is it the millstone?
Yeah.
It will be.
Shattered.
He who falls on the stone will bebroken to pieces, but on whomever it
falls, it will scatter him like dust.
So that reminded me of, we're lookingat Isaiah 21 last night in verse
nine is central in this passage.
And it's very prophetic.
It says, now behold, here comes atroop of riders, horsemen, and pairs.
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And one answered andsaid fallen is Babylon.
And all the graven images of her gods are
shattered
on the ground.
And that word shattered there is It'sa PL in the Hebrew, which is intense.
It's like really shattered, like powder.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's, that, that's,there's a correlation here.
And you read about what God hasdone to Babylon and what is coming.
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And of course, this picks up inRevelation 14 and Revelation 18,
where there's a coming day where thatChrist, who is that millstone was
going to fall on Babylon and shatter.
Hmm.
All of her idols in in Isaiahtwo, it describes, I love this
description in Isaiah two.
It says beginning in verse 12, it saysand I'm reading them in LSB because they
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translate everything to Yahweh, whichI like instead of Lord, it's Yahweh.
For Yahweh of hosts will have a day ofreckoning against everyone who is proud
and high and against everyone who haslifted up, that he may be made low.
And this is the entire point ofEverything that God is doing,
the entire point of Isaiah, youwant to boil it down right there.
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In fact, all of Isaiah buildsoff of this, and you're seeing
this happen over and over again.
And and then he has thislitany of everything that
he is going to be made low.
Beginning verse 13, it will be againstall the cedars of Lebanon that are high
and lifted up, against the oaks of Bashan,against all the high mountains, against
the hills that are lifted up, againstevery lofty tower, against every fortified
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wall, against all the ships of Tarshish,and against all the desirable craft.
The loftiness of man will bebowed down, and the men who are
high will be made low, and Yahwehalone will be exalted in that day.
Amen.
This is what he's doing.
And then verse 18, but theidols will completely vanish.
And then it ends in verse 22,stop regarding man whose breath
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of life is in his nostrilsfor why should he be esteemed?
It's just an amazing passage.
And it just reminds usof what God is doing.
And when you come to Christ, and Ithink that's why this is, you're broken.
Your idols are shattered.
Yes.
Your idols are groundedjust like Moses did.
But you are not.
Yes.
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You're broken and then you're rebuilt.
Amen.
Amen.
In the image of Christ.
We don't, all of the things that weexalt when and ultimately it's a self
exaltation because we create our ownGod, we create our own religion, and you
described as well when you're describingyour blackness, you want to get your PhD
because you can take down every argumentbecause you are at the top of your game.
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You have made yourself God.
You are your own idol.
And
this is what man, what iscentral to, to mankind.
All of anything that they worship thatis not God ultimately becomes self.
Yes.
Worship.
Yes.
Yes.
And you become your own idol, whichis exactly what Saint told Eve.
You can be like God.
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You will be destroyed if you are.
And so praise God that he didthis temporally in spiritually in,
in this life for you and for me.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
So instead of shattering you topieces, he shattered your idols and he
broke you so that he can rebuild you.
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And now here you are.
Oh, mercy.
Donald Taylor, married.
I know.
Have a wonderful young man that, the Lordhas allowed you to rescue from a terrible,
what would have been a terrible life.
Yeah.
And what's funny about that?
It's in my working at the school I teachat his family has come through there.
Yeah.
His biological family.
Oh interesting.
And so I've seen what he would be.
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Yeah.
If he would, and they are sweetkids, but they are they are so lost.
It's, yeah, so God is giving me, Ihave another one coming next year.
I don't know if he'sgoing to be in my class.
Okay.
But the other one was in my class.
They didn't know who I was, but yeah.
God rescued you and then he
rescued Christopher.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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What a testimony.
What an amazing thing.
And then, and now you're in seminaryand and the Lord is continuing to work.
This is the gospel and thisis the answer to all of this.
All of it.
All of it.
It's all of it.
It's Christ in the word.
Yeah.
Yeah, we definitely gotta do this again.
I, uh, yeah, we can talk offline.
Yeah,
There are other thingsI want to talk about.
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We mentioned the the blacknessis ontological that some
have been propagating.
I want to go through that at some pointtoo, because I think that's a major
point to, to grasp and then there's thequestion of if there is no black or white,
then how do we discuss, how do we talkabout these categories and do we throw
out all distinctions and all categories?
We don't see that in scripturebecause we see boundaries, we see
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nations, all that kind of stuff.
So how do we move forward?
What is the solution as we'rerebuilding a proper anthropology
in a biblical worldview?
How do we?
How do we think?
How do we speak?
And then how do we, bework to undo this damage?
What can we do to reach out to thosewho are truly oppressed by this lie?
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Yes.
This religion of blackness, which isthe crazy it's just incredibly ironic
that the whole tenet of it is thatyou're oppressed and you're, and you
need to be free by gaining power.
But in reality, yes, youare oppressed by this lie.
And yes, you do need freedom, butit is in Christ and in the true
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gospel and the true biblical.
presentation of who we are andwho God is, what Jesus has done.
So there's a lot more to talk about.
And so I'll we'll have to pickthis up later, but I think this
is a good time to break it off.
So let me cue the exit music here.
Yeah, it's my pleasure.
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greater understanding of his word
.... I spent 17 years railing against God, 17 years trying to come to him on my
own merits and hating him to his facebecause he would not take my sacrifice.
I was Cain.
And I hated everybodywho thought otherwise.
I really tried to go to Princeton toget a PhD because I knew if I went to a
place like that, it was shut your mouthwhen I sit in the room and debate you
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on the falsity that is Christianity.
So I'm coming in, I'm coming to Christ.
Fully rainbow gay, I'm comingto Christ fully black, right?
And so for me to actually bow the knee toChrist, all of that had to be destroyed.
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All right, welcome to another episode ofFaithcast, a ministry of Faith Baptist
Church here in Visalia, California.
My name is Eric Noorthoek and I'm oneof the pastors here at this said church.
And it is good to be here.
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It's good to be behind the mic.
And it's good to be alive.
It's good to be A believer, it is good tonot be deceived by the deceptions that are
common in our day and that are rampant.
And it is good to be in the word of God ona daily basis, day by day and week by week
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deconstructing lies and reconstructingthe truth based on the source of
absolute truth, which is God's word.
There is no reason for us to be deceived,and we are given we are given truth.
And and there's no question about it.
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And so this is, this kind of leads usinto the discussion that we're having
with my good friend, Donald Taylor, whosat down with me and we're discussing
the issue of race and his journey inhis his deconstruction in his life of
the religion of blackness, which haddefined so much of his life and then being
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being brought back into being rebuiltinto a new identity in Christ and just
the importance of this conversation.
Without saying much more let's go aheadand we're just going to jump right back
into part two of this conversation.
Enjoy.
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We're in a historical moment where thesecategories have to be defined, right?
How many times do you have to hearthat You're not a man or a woman.
You're, you don't, they don'teven know what gender you are.
There's no, there's no
male.
There's no female.
Yeah,
If we're sitting in a world where,if you think that something as
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fundamental as your sex is up for debateor that you are, or that you think
that, let me say this differently.
The people out the world system,as first John calls it, right?
The world system issitting here, redefining.
Trying to redefine gender.
Sex redefine sex, right?
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Even though you have the equipment thattells you that you are a male, right?
Which in Genesis, it isvery clear who a male is.
If you can circumcise it,it's a male regardless.
And what a male and a female is,please do not think that they do
not have the same commitment to.
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Political terms likethe racial categories.
And so it all has to be, you donot have to be a woke warrior.
An anti woke warrior.
You just need to know whatGod says on these topics.
And I'm not trying to sayyou have to be an expert.
That's why you have people.
Dare I say, that's why you have peoplelike me, people like your preachers.
Who will be the nerds for youto tell you what the word says.
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The only thing I'm asking is that whenyou are taught on it, just know thus says
the Lord and then move on with your life.
And if somebody says something that'sagainst that, or if you think something
that's against that, then you remindyourself or you remind that brother and
sister of the hope they have in Christ.
And that thus says the Lord, youdo not have to think that way.
Forgive me.
I just went on a rant.
No
that's absolutely right.
Like God's word is the only.
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authority for a right view.
I'm not saying that we, obviouslythrough natural revelation we can
receive truth, but God's word tellsus a God view of anthropology.
The Bible from the beginning, Adamand Eve were created and they are our,
Adam is our father, Eve is our mother.
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There is no race.
It doesn't exist.
That's a a construct and it has beenused to, if you look at Hegel's dialect,
the dialectical thinking, which isthe foundation of Marxism and all
of this, the craziness, that's whatyou're seeing happen with blackness.
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It is.
To divide,
and you said, I'm sorry, yousaid interesting thing, right?
Race is a construct.
And here's the funny thing.
When I first started hearingpeople right now, I'm speaking
on the political left and right.
When I hear people on the politicalright, say, race is just a construct.
It's not even real.
Then when I hear the people on theleft that respond to that, they're
not telling the truth that if youread the literature on the left,
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they say that it's a construct.
Yeah,
and that is actually why The ideathat white is over black is a
falsity because it was all made up,
right?
It was all made up Yeah, but you'resaying they're being honest about that
within the inner circlewithin the inner circle.
Yeah.
Yeah, they know that Because they knowit's a construct and so because they
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know it's construct they think that theycan override The hierarchical society
at least as they understand it, butthen when the people on the right say
it's a construct The left won't tellthem, Oh yeah, we know it's a construct.
And so what ends up happeningis the right people on the right
are thinking to themselves.
I know the truth.
I know that, I know that this isn't real.
So this conversationshouldn't even be occurring.
What I'm saying that Christiansneed to do is yes, of course.
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At admit the fact that it's a construct.
We all know it's a construct.
A white person puts theirhand on a white board.
Your hand is not white.
I'm wearing a black sweater.
My skin is not black.
And so it is not, as I told a brotherof mine, it is not an objective truth.
I seek to live by objective truths.
And since I, operate in a propositionalreligion who tells me what to think,
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and also what to think about it.
And when I need to shut my mouth and justtrust what God has to say about the matter
then I shut my mouth about those things.
It is not an objective truth.
Also, it's not immutable.
And so since I know it's not immutable.
Both sides.
No, it's not immutable.
The issue or yeah, immutable.
The issue is that the religious orthe right, and I'm not using those
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synonymous, but the religious or theright people think that they've come
up on a new idea that it's a constructwhen the people on the left have been
saying that for the whole, they'veknown that there's a construct.
They won't tell you that it's a construct.
And you also in your mind, dare Isay, if you're anything like me, you
will not admit that it's a construct.
Because you are committed to it as aperson, as a frog in your hot world.
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We're forced
into it.
Yes.
Speaking from, my, just using theterms black and white, we have
categorized everybody, at least inthis whole conversation in America,
as one side or the other of thisdivide, of this construct, either
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you're black or you're white.
Yeah.
And so even by using those terms, andthis is what I think you're saying is
we are contributing to the problem.
Yes.
Because we're propping up something thatboth sides recognize as a construct.
But it's like the Emperor's,clothes kind of thing.
Nobody wants to actually saythat the Emperor is naked.
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Because, it, on the one side,it's their entire foundation
for their, for the power grab.
And the other side, it's because,whether they admit it or not, By,
we're, we're trying to figure out howwe're supposed to act because of these
the black people say they're oppressedand the white people are, there's
all this virtue signaling going on.
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And so we end up in thisvicious cycle race baiting.
And
yeah, and we are blessedwith a great father.
And why am I saying that now?
Because.
You do not have to do deepBible study to find out what
the Bible has to say about this.
Let me give you someevidence from this morning.
My son is just learning how to read.
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And so he is slowly readingthrough the book of Genesis.
Today we read Genesis.
Last last week we read through Genesis10 to of course, the table of nations.
I do not suggest that with a firstgrade reader, but we did it anyway.
And so it was a good opportunity forme to discuss with him that, people
use the word of God to do evil things.
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And that there are some peoplethat do not like the sons of Ham.
Now he's looking what doesthat have to do with anything?
I said some people think that, I don'tlike you cause you're a son of Ham.
I don't like you cause you're, and ifyou don't know what I'm talking about,
go back to Genesis 10 Noah's sons.
I don't like you causeyou're the son of Shem.
I don't like you causeyou're the son of Japheth.
Now you may say, why does thiseven come up in your conversation?
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Because I'm helping him to trace the seed.
The seed comes through Shem.
Yeah,
but Ham is sitting there.
I've been taught about what somepeople argue happened with him
as far as the race conversation.
And also my son is light-skinned.
He's adopted, and I have already hadto correct a number of people who
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try to say, you have a white kid.
Why do you have a white kid?
Why do you have a white kid?
I don't know.
God gave me this child.
I don't know what you're talking about.
God gave me a son.
And it's not the waythat I, by the way, even.
Even the presence of my son is evidenceof salvation because in a previous
world view, you will not adopt achild that's categorized as white.
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That is almost blasphemous, right?
You don't do that because thereare so many quote, unquote, black
kids in the system that need help.
Why are you adopting the white kids?
And My former religion would eventeach me that even though he was
born to a woman who was high onmeth, he was born high on meth.
He had nothing but the onesieon his back and a gray little
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bin full of hospital things.
That's all he had that I shouldnot take him in because he's
white because he's white.
Yeah.
And so there, there are personal reasonswhy I had to do some investigation
because I'm going against everything.
I was taught to adopt that little boy.
But that notwithstanding, so Iuse it as an opportunity just to
help him understand that peopleuse the Bible to do evil things.
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So he needs to be aware of that.
Now we get to Genesis 11.
And again, I'm trying to helpyou understand that it does
not take deep exegesis to getto some conclusions on this.
We're reading a third gradelevel kiddie Bible, right?
Genesis 11, the Tower of Babel.
And that, in that passage, atleast two questions are answered.
Number one, why do wehave all these languages?
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Why do we say Ola?
Hello.
Bonjour.
Boko Tauv.
Why are we saying all this stuff?
Why don't we fully, why do I haveto learn Hebrew to read the Bible?
Because God mixed up the languages.
Verse nine.
Also though, how do peopleget all around the world?
I think it was verse eight, right?
He scattered everybody.
I didn't go into the conversationabout the skin tones, but it lays the
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groundwork for explaining things like,how did everybody get where they are?
Why do we speak these different languages?
Why do people from the same countrywho grew up in the same country as a
people, why do they all look similar?
We can talk about interbreeding,we can talk about all these things.
But all those implicationswere pulled from a five year
old reading Genesis 11, right?
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So it's not like it takes deepexegesis to come up with the answer.
You just have to think about what you'rereading and interrogate your assumptions.
And that's all that it is, andthat's just general Bible study.
That's how you study the Bible.
Yeah, that's all.
You
let it correct what you're thinking,or you let it give you answers for
questions you didn't know you had,and then use those as your answer.
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So when I ask him, for instance, sowhy do we have so many languages?
Oh, the Lord God mixed all mixed upthe language and, the whole world.
That's your answer.
Yeah.
We don't need a deepphilosophical explanation.
What I'm saying about these peopleand about the religion of blackness
is that they give you differentdefinitions and that's the problem.
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And so they think that that theseed did not come through sham.
It came through ham.
That's what they're really arguing, right?
And that's a problem becausethat's not what the narrative says.
And that's because the ham must have beendark skinned or at least Cush's son was.
Because that's where, theEthiopians and, the Cushites or
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whatever, they're dark skinned.
And they're described that in Isaiah 17,I think, no, anyway, somewhere in there.
In Isaiah.
In Isaiah.
Isaiah.
I just preached to it.
Yeah, you're, that is so fascinatingbecause you are so committed to, in,
in that system, to blackness that it,you're going to change even the seed,
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even though our entire salvation dependson seed the seed coming through Shem.
Yes.
Yes.
That's, this is the biblical narrative.
Yes.
Yes.
We'll And, but you're going to redefineit and say, because what matters is
not what matters is not what the Biblesays so much is that you are black,
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right?
Because it's a testimony about God.
It's not the testimonyof God about himself.
Which is, it seems like a slight thing.
Yeah.
But it's a massive
difference.
And that's why it's been this massivedebate lately, over the last few years,
over whether Jesus was black or white.
Yes,
by all means.
Because if
he's white,
Then that, that's a problem.
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He can't be white.
A
white man's not gonna release, themfrom, the black man from his oppression.
So he's gotta be black.
That's what we've come to.
And so going back toit's remaining ignorant
and
in trying to play by the rulesof this construct propagates,
it props the whole thing up.
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It keeps it.
Moving forward and then you got guyslike Matt Chandler who are now preaching
in such a way that it's, there's thisindoctrination that is coming through in
subtle ways in his preaching and others.
This is not going to end any, there'sa lot of people saying the woke that,
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that whole thing is just dying down.
It's been unraveled.
It's not.
No.
They have, they have a, if you dothe history or let the nerds like
me do it, there's a pattern, right?
Every about 20, 30 years,there's another uproar.
Yeah.
So if they follow the samepattern, what they have done
now, they've had their uproar,
right?
What they are doing now.
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If they follow the same pattern isthat they have gone back to your public
schools, they have gone back to youruniversities, or some of the moms have
gone back to their homeschooling, andthey are raising up the next generation.
And so now there are more people, evendeeper indoctrinated with what we now
call wokeness, but they're a lot moresavvy now because you learned from
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2020, you can't say certain things.
So now they're going to sayit differently in 2050, right?
But this thing, they go back andcheck, please fact check me, check
about every 20,
30 years, there's a massive uproar, right?
The last massive uproars in the nineties.
Before that it was the sixties,please check me back there.
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Before that it was thetwenties and thirties.
Please check me back there.
It was a late 1800 and check me, please.
It's every 20 or 30 years.
There's an uproar.
And but just understand thatthese people do not go away.
These people.
And why?
Because these are demons.
They are not,
it's a doctrine of demons,
right?
And so the demons just teachthe next generation, and they,
and again, they get more.
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They get more They get more savvy thenext time around because they know, they,
again, they know what catchphrase, wehave now caught on to the catchphrase
as my grandmama used to say, by thetime I find out about what the cool
kids are doing, it ain't cool no more.
They moved on to the next thing.
So we have peeped game as theyused to say where I'm from.
And so now that we have peeped game,then the game is changing and it
usually takes a couple of decades.
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But if you think about it, the kidsthat are being indoctrinated now are
the kids that are going to be the ones.
Giving the new line of wokeness later,
whatever it is, whatever
that's going to be.
And the only thing we have to do Becausewe have a good God is simply read
our Bibles and seek to understand it.
You don't have to read All the wokebooks, leave that to fools like us who
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are fools for Christ, who are goingto read this foolishness and call out,
when the wolf is in the room, you justread your Bible and you just seek to
understand your Bible and the power ofthe Holy Spirit and you will be fine.
My thing is, though.
Leave no stone unturned.
Then this is why this is such an importantdiscussion because it agnosticism
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or, practice ignorance propagates it.
So especially you'restudying to be a a preacher.
I'm a pastor.
I preach all constantlythroughout the week through four
or five times a week usually.
And My job then is to take down your job.
Yes.
Is to take down these argumentsand then to teach our people Yes.
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How to do this.
And I, it was interesting, you, we weretalking earlier about when you came to
Christ . It was like an entire kingdom.
Oh yes.
That felt, because you, your Kingdomof blackness was your religion.
Yes.
And then you read yourBible or you I don't I
may I be.
Family friendly explicit here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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If you think about the array of wokeidentities you have LGBTQIA plus who
knows if they're going on somethingelse, but you have blackness.
There's even something called Oh,I forgot what it's called, but the
main idea is subaltern is calledsubaltern, which are any Asian
that ain't yellow, quote unquote.
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So there'll be the Indians, the Burmese,the Filipinos Vietnamese, all of them.
Right.
And then of course you have Africansub, sub Saharan Africans, though,
South Americans notice that I'm sayinganything that ain't European, anything
that ain't American, quote unquote.
And when I say American, you'rethinking of John, of Paul Bunyan.
I'm not thinking of John Henry, right?
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If you don't know who they are,Google them look up the images.
I operated when God saved me, Ioperated on the LGBTQ plus spectrum.
And black.
So in the web of intersectionality,I'm checking out two of those boxes.
Both of those boxes come withvery robust theological systems,
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queer theology, black theology.
All of them are informedby feminist theology.
Unbeknownst to me, they were alsoinformed by liberal theology.
I didn't know anythingabout that at the time.
And of course, liberation theology.
So when I come to Christ and whenI say come to Christ, drawn to
Christ, I'm gonna make it seemlike I finally came to my senses.
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I am not the prodigal in that way.
When God saved me I had to.
Not by choice, by the way becausemy, my conversion experience
was not like my wife's.
My wife is so humble.
Somebody had a littleBible study with her.
They read the verse and she thought,Oh, is that what I have to do?
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Amen.
I'll do it.
She goes home, she cleans out her room.
I'm like, what in the world?
I do not have the experience.
I spent 17 years railing against God,17 years trying to come to him on my
own merits and hating him to his facebecause he would not take my sacrifice.
I was Cain.
And I hated everybodywho thought otherwise.
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This is why I was, this is why I spenta lot of time in the Northeast trying
to go to those premier institutions.
I really tried to go to Princeton toget a PhD because I knew if I went to a
place like that, it was shut your mouthwhen I sit in the room and debate you on
the, the falsity that is Christianity.
So I'm coming in, I'm coming to Christ.
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Fully rainbow gay, I'm comingto Christ fully black, right?
So I'm fine.
I'm flying multiple flags.
The issue with those two identities inparticular, I don't know about others.
I've only walked in my own moccasins,as they say, is that those two I
don't know what you, territories,because it's all in one kingdom.
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Those two territories in that one kingdomcome with an extremely well articulated
and well built artifice of philosophy.
And so for me to actually bow the knee toChrist, all of that had to be destroyed.
What I try to explain to people.
is that everybody has to submit to Christ.
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And for everybody, that meansthat they have to kill themselves.
They have to die to themselves.
That's what Matthew saysthat there's no arguing that.
But again, I can only speak frommy own perspective on this topic.
For me, it was devastating.
Yeah.
Everything I was taught that Iam, and then is for not, I can't
explain to you how destructive it is.
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To hear that your blackness doesnot matter to me because I love you
because I made you with my image.
And that sounds like a weirdcontrarian destructive.
What does that mean?
Yes, destructive, right?
There's something atthe end of Matthew 20.
Forgive me as I turned to real quick.
I've been in interpretive problem.
I'm trying to work through.
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Thank you.
Matthew 21 verse 44.
This is right after Jesustalks about himself being the
stone that builders rejected.
This became the chief cornerstone.
This came about from theLord and is marvelous in our
eyes and it is Matthew 21 44.
And he who falls on this stonewill be broken to pieces.
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But on whomever it falls, itwill scatter him like dust.
I have a question mark in my text.
If you look at it, you can seenow I don't fully know what
Jesus is talking about there.
And I'm purposely not tryingto figure it out until I'm
done reading it for the month.
What I suspect there is that it'san encapsulation of my experience.
He who falls on this stonewill be broken to pieces.
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My wondering is Christ sayingthat when you fall by choice
quote unquote, by divine choice.
You will be broken right inscripture to be broken is good.
Yeah.
But the second part, but right.
Introducing as pastor says, Oh, there'sa contrast here, but on whomever it
falls, it will scatter him like dust.
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My experience is similar to both of those.
Yeah.
Everything I've believed,everything I've put my hope in.
everything.
It's hard for me to explain to youhow deep those tentacles go when
you exist in those categories.
Everything was broken to pieces.
I had nothing left.
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I couldn't even find ajob when God saved me.
Yeah.
And I've been workingsince I was nine years old.
Everything was destroyed.
And then the more I sat under goodteaching, Praise God for pastors.
Praise God for pastors, man.
I'm so glad I don't haveto do this on my own.
I get to sit down, shut my mouthand listen to some good teaching.
And nobody was, nobody's preachingsermons on what it doesn't
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mean to be black or white.
Nobody's preaching, they're preachingthe word of God and the Holy
Spirit is applying it uniquely toevery single person in that room
because he loves his people, right?
So I'm sitting there andwhat I'm realizing is that
everything that I was, Has to go.
And again, it is hard toexplain the devastation in that.
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And so what I had to do, contrary towhat these deconstruction people would
be talking about, what I actually hadto do was I had to, I am coming to a
better understanding of who is thisnew creation and this new creation
is number one, not defined by any ofthose terms, which is true liberation.
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And I'll say that all day, even peoplewho call themselves white, you are truly
liberated when you can come out of that.
That doesn't mean that youstop, whatever you can choose.
You are freeing Christ todo what you want to do.
But when you know, in your mind andin your heart and in your spirit, I'm
none of this, I am God's, and if thatmeans something particular, and when
you know that, even though you goagainst the world, God will defend you.
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Even against your own flesh.
Then you have to go, then you submityourself to the process where you have
to reconstruct a new identity in Christ,which is, which for me personally, and I
suspect for more people that are willingto say out loud, is a tremendous process
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that requires A lot of meditation onGod's word, because he slowly, you want
to talk about unpacking the knapsack.
He slowly disabuses you ofall of your assumptions.
And for me, that meansI lost my whole world.
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There are some people I can'teven talk, I'm going to cry.
I can't even talk to anymore.
Because I ain't black.
They don't want anything to do with it.
Yeah, they don't wantnothing to do with it.
You're no longer black.
Yeah, I'm some weird anomaly to them.
I have lost my entire community.
Yeah.
I've lost everything.
And the only hope that I haveis what Jesus told them, right?
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Whatever you give, you're goingto get it back and eternal life.
He says as if it's an afterthought,Oh yeah, I'm a hook you up.
Right.
MacArthur says that, what I'm goingto argue with you about houses
when I'm going to have them allin the new heaven and new earth.
I ain't got to argue withyou about this right now.
That's right.
So not only will I get thehookup on everything I will
inherit the entire earth, right?
Because of the love that God hasfor his own through Jesus Christ.
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But I will also get eternal life.
So I'll get to enjoy it forever, right?
But if you are still stuck in the oldsystem, even as a believer because I
think I do think that's possible Yeah.
Yeah, because like you said it's, you'regoing, it took you, what'd you say?
16 years just to get to thispoint or whatever it was.
Yeah.
17 years to be saved.
And now it's nine,
10 years in.
And you're Still working through it.
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They're still working through it.
Yeah.
It's
not, there are brothers and sisterswho are very much entrenched in this.
Yes, still are.
That are true brothers and sisters.
And they have This is whyit matters to all of us.
Yes.
If we love, The bride of Christ.
We love the brothers and sisters.
It should matter.
Yeah.
And the interesting thing is before aholy God, the devastation that had to
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occur in my mind and in my heart, it'snot different than what you had to do.
No.
It's still in the front of God, right?
Even, I was just talking to a abrother the other day about, about
our lowly Chicago Bears, right?
The football team, right?
If your kingdom is built aroundthe NFL, it's the same thing.
Yeah.
It could be that whole world.
Yeah.
You still have to, Oh my, do youmean I actually have to miss the
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game because church, this mankeeps preaching past the kickoff,
And by the way, yes.
Yes.
Yes.
And even on Superbowl Sunday.
Yes.
Absolutely.
And so it's not that before God, it'snot that it's any different for anybody.
It's all, we all arecoming out of that kingdom.
And so we are all doing that hard work.
It's just that I think the difference isif one could categorize it as something
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that's different, is that because ofthe political climate we are currently
in, and because God has ordained forus to be in the United States at the
time that we are in the United States,just looks more visible to people.
Yeah.
But I don't deny that.
Other people are doing the same hard work.
It's just that mine's looks likeit because I'm the fool walking
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around saying I ain't black.
Yeah.
So what mean?
What are you talking about?
But it's the same work.
It's the same work that we all have to do.
And so I do think it's the Biblesays it is incumbent upon us to spur
one another on, and some of that ishelping people to understand the hope
they have in Christ and the freedom.
That we all have, no matter how sweetit seems, like you said yesterday,
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we enjoy the fruit of Babylon.
Yeah.
It's so sweet.
Yeah.
To our, but just no,that's not a good metaphor.
But anyway, it It gets bitter later.
Yeah, it really does.
Yeah.
Crisis is better.
Yeah.
And it's interesting 'cause asyou were describing that passage
there in Matthew, in it talks aboutthe, the stone that falls on it.
. What's the word there?
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The, is it the millstone?
Yeah.
It will be.
Shattered.
He who falls on the stone will bebroken to pieces, but on whomever it
falls, it will scatter him like dust.
So that reminded me of, we're lookingat Isaiah 21 last night in verse
nine is central in this passage.
And it's very prophetic.
It says, now behold, here comes atroop of riders, horsemen, and pairs.
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And one answered andsaid fallen is Babylon.
And all the graven images of her gods are
shattered
on the ground.
And that word shattered there is It'sa PL in the Hebrew, which is intense.
It's like really shattered, like powder.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's, that, that's,there's a correlation here.
And you read about what God hasdone to Babylon and what is coming.
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And of course, this picks up inRevelation 14 and Revelation 18,
where there's a coming day where thatChrist, who is that millstone was
going to fall on Babylon and shatter.
Hmm.
All of her idols in in Isaiahtwo, it describes, I love this
description in Isaiah two.
It says beginning in verse 12, it saysand I'm reading them in LSB because they
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translate everything to Yahweh, whichI like instead of Lord, it's Yahweh.
For Yahweh of hosts will have a day ofreckoning against everyone who is proud
and high and against everyone who haslifted up, that he may be made low.
And this is the entire point ofEverything that God is doing,
the entire point of Isaiah, youwant to boil it down right there.
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In fact, all of Isaiah buildsoff of this, and you're seeing
this happen over and over again.
And and then he has thislitany of everything that
he is going to be made low.
Beginning verse 13, it will be againstall the cedars of Lebanon that are high
and lifted up, against the oaks of Bashan,against all the high mountains, against
the hills that are lifted up, againstevery lofty tower, against every fortified
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wall, against all the ships of Tarshish,and against all the desirable craft.
The loftiness of man will bebowed down, and the men who are
high will be made low, and Yahwehalone will be exalted in that day.
Amen.
This is what he's doing.
And then verse 18, but theidols will completely vanish.
And then it ends in verse 22,stop regarding man whose breath
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of life is in his nostrilsfor why should he be esteemed?
It's just an amazing passage.
And it just reminds usof what God is doing.
And when you come to Christ, and Ithink that's why this is, you're broken.
Your idols are shattered.
Yes.
Your idols are groundedjust like Moses did.
But you are not.
Yes.
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You're broken and then you're rebuilt.
Amen.
Amen.
In the image of Christ.
We don't, all of the things that weexalt when and ultimately it's a self
exaltation because we create our ownGod, we create our own religion, and you
described as well when you're describingyour blackness, you want to get your PhD
because you can take down every argumentbecause you are at the top of your game.
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You have made yourself God.
You are your own idol.
And
this is what man, what iscentral to, to mankind.
All of anything that they worship thatis not God ultimately becomes self.
Yes.
Worship.
Yes.
Yes.
And you become your own idol, whichis exactly what Saint told Eve.
You can be like God.
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You will be destroyed if you are.
And so praise God that he didthis temporally in spiritually in,
in this life for you and for me.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
So instead of shattering you topieces, he shattered your idols and he
broke you so that he can rebuild you.
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And now here you are.
Oh, mercy.
Donald Taylor, married.
I know.
Have a wonderful young man that, the Lordhas allowed you to rescue from a terrible,
what would have been a terrible life.
Yeah.
And what's funny about that?
It's in my working at the school I teachat his family has come through there.
Yeah.
His biological family.
Oh interesting.
And so I've seen what he would be.
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Yeah.
If he would, and they are sweetkids, but they are they are so lost.
It's, yeah, so God is giving me, Ihave another one coming next year.
I don't know if he'sgoing to be in my class.
Okay.
But the other one was in my class.
They didn't know who I was, but yeah.
God rescued you and then he
rescued Christopher.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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What a testimony.
What an amazing thing.
And then, and now you're in seminaryand and the Lord is continuing to work.
This is the gospel and thisis the answer to all of this.
All of it.
All of it.
It's all of it.
It's Christ in the word.
Yeah.
Yeah, we definitely gotta do this again.
I, uh, yeah, we can talk offline.
Yeah,
There are other thingsI want to talk about.
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We mentioned the the blacknessis ontological that some
have been propagating.
I want to go through that at some pointtoo, because I think that's a major
point to, to grasp and then there's thequestion of if there is no black or white,
then how do we discuss, how do we talkabout these categories and do we throw
out all distinctions and all categories?
We don't see that in scripturebecause we see boundaries, we see
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nations, all that kind of stuff.
So how do we move forward?
What is the solution as we'rerebuilding a proper anthropology
in a biblical worldview?
How do we?
How do we think?
How do we speak?
And then how do we, bework to undo this damage?
What can we do to reach out to thosewho are truly oppressed by this lie?
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Yes.
This religion of blackness, which isthe crazy it's just incredibly ironic
that the whole tenet of it is thatyou're oppressed and you're, and you
need to be free by gaining power.
But in reality, yes, youare oppressed by this lie.
And yes, you do need freedom, butit is in Christ and in the true
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gospel and the true biblical.
presentation of who we are andwho God is, what Jesus has done.
So there's a lot more to talk about.
And so I'll we'll have to pickthis up later, but I think this
is a good time to break it off.
So let me cue the exit music here.
Yeah, it's my pleasure.
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So this has been a podcastfrom Faith Baptist Church and
we are in Visalia, California.
And if you know where Visalia, CaliforniaIs and you haven't looked it up.
It's probably because you're familiarwith the area, which means you should
probably stop by our church Sometime wehave services, sunday morning at 10 39
(36:27):
30 sunday school 10 30 There's our mainservice and then we do what most people
don't do because it's out of vogue inand that is to have a six o'clock Service
every sunday night and that is some ofthe sweetest things So if if you're in
the area in your church you're in anotherchurch and I'm not, if I'm not ashamed
to plug our Sunday night service if yourchurch isn't doing it come visit us.
(36:51):
We have lots of visitors thatcome just because the church
doesn't do a Sunday night.
So six o'clock on Sunday nights andthat's in addition to other things
that we are doing and about to do.
So come check us out.
Otherwise thankful that you are listening.
To this podcast and may god blessyou with greater revelation of a
greater understanding of his word
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