June 27, 2024 • 49 mins
Welcome, dear listeners, to another enchanting episode of Faulty Logic. Join us as we journey into the realm of fantasy with this week's topic: Final Fantasy VII Rebirth.
In this episode, your hosts Andrew, Marcos, and Diana embark on a quest like no other, delving into the magical world of Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. Prepare yourselves for a journey of epic proportions as they analyze the characters, the story, and the gameplay of this fantastical adventure. Discover the secrets of this mystical realm and uncover the truths that lie beyond the veil of fantasy.
Whether you're a seasoned adventurer or new to the series, this episode promises to captivate your imagination and provide fresh insights into the beloved game. Tune in to Faulty Logic and join the discussion on one of the most iconic RPGs of all time.
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Welcome dear listeners to another enchanting episode of faulty logic join us
as we journey into the realm of fantasy with this week's topic final fantasy 7 rebirth.
Music.
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Greetings, fellow adventurers. I am Andrew, the seeker of mysteries and the
explorer of the unknown.
And I'm Marcos, the skeptic in search of truth, unmasking the illusions that cloud our minds.
And I am Diana, the enchantress of imagination, weaving tales of wonder and awe.
Today, we embark on a quest like no other, as we delve into the magical world
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of Final Fantasy VII Rebirth.
Prepare yourselves for a journey of epic proportions as we analyze the characters,
the story, and the gameplay of this fantastical adventure.
Join us as we uncover the secrets of this mystical realm and discover the truths
that lie beyond the veil of fantasy.
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Back to episode number 642 of Faulty Logic.
642. Sounds about right-ish. Yeah. I mean, I can't imagine.
Who knows? I can't imagine we're below that. Anywhere below that, yeah.
We're in like 120 or 357,000. One of those. Somewhere between there. Somewhere in there.
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Every weekend since 2016.
So doing the math.
Yeah, it equals out to about 100,000. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's,
what, 525,600 minutes in a year?
If you pull out your scientific calculator, you can punch in the factorials
and do the permutations. The permutations. To get the calculation correct to
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know what podcast we're on.
We're on a high number. Yeah, we're up there somewhere. Anyway, it's in a couple digits.
Yeah, yeah. It's somewhere up there. So, yeah, like mentioned in the intro.
That fantastic intro. fantastic somewhere up
there definitely we're talking about uh final fantasy 7 rebirth
uh only about the first two-thirds of the
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game yeah we we haven't all beat it i
am a loser with no life so i played the shit out of it i'm like damn i knew
you were gonna pass this man but i knew we were gonna have a break but we're
gonna play it yeah i was gonna be gone but i beat i beat the the hell out of
it and uh so yeah we're gonna gonna go through the uh okay but first thoughts
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first impressions of the
game it's fun but
the story is a little bit
convoluted yeah and it's a hard game
it yeah it is it is hard i got to
the point later on past where you guys are at where i
had to go to easy really i did
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and you know i'm am
i gonna fucking i got to the point where like
how it is with most games with me where i'm just ready to beat it yeah so i'm
not really worried about gameplay i'm more of a story like we're all different
game players because i will do the shit out of some side quests that why and i really enjoy it.
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And I know you're not into the side quests as much. Oh, I'm into them.
Just at some point, I want to beat the game. You just want to get to the end.
I have been playing Skyrim for years, and I've never beat that game because
I just do a bunch of side quests, and I do a bunch of random shit.
So I'm the type, I like to get lost in the game. I get impatient, too.
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I also get impatient. I do like doing side quests here and there,
but I do get impatient where i want to progress the story because
i feel like if i wait too long and start doing all this side
stuff you're gonna lose interest yeah it
kind of loses is like uh the hole that it had on me yeah that's that's i've
had that issue with a couple games like red dead redemption 2 or ghost of tsushima
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never beat it just because i did some quest heavy well they can be you don't
have to but i did a lot of the side quests and eventually i'm like all right i'm gonna put it
down for a while and then you know six years later
i've never picked it back up i damn near got to 100 on breath
of the wild so yeah i'm i'm
i did all the side quests in that game like i
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love a good side quest as long as
they keep me engaged and that's
the the thing because a lot of side quests in this game
are kind of the same thing over and over yeah again
but but uh i mean it was the same in like breath of the wild even tears of the
kingdom it's a lot of the same shit but i still really enjoy a good side quest
let's go over kind of how like how it starts yeah yeah yeah absolutely little
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uh little kind of brief summary of the kind of plot of the game how come there was no laughter there.
The audience audience fucking lame sometimes yeah rate the fucking sign yeah
fucking idiots Spay your dogs and cats.
So this game starts with the last one's ending, which is you escape out of Midgar. Yeah.
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Your crew of Cloud, Barret, Tifa, Aeris, and Red XIII...
They are members of avalanche and then test subjects
who are trying to you know
fight the power fight the power green peace
but like terrorist versions of it yeah
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and they're like peter yeah a
little bit so in the original final fantasy
you get out of midgar and i think
you're at that point you're looking for sephiroth or something like that or
whatever you're i can't really remember the plot i don't remember it i
just remember you leave midgar you start going through like
the old school open world version and
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you make your you're make your way up to what nebel
i'm not nebel not yeah you go to nebelheim but you
go after right yeah calm first calm yeah and
then you end up in where barrett
is from barrett sorry well so you go you go
from calm to the gun city whatever
that's called where the fucking big gun
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is at that's a junon yeah so
you go calm to junon to costa del sol cosmo canyon and no before cosmo canyon
you go to golden saucer but before golden saucer that's where barrett's from
mount corral or yeah corral So then Golden Saucer,
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then Cosmo Cannon. What's the...
In the original, when you get... You gotta go past the big-ass snake...
Then you go through the cave, and then you end up on top.
Not Corral? Well, I thought it was like Fort Condor or some shit like that.
I think it is Fort Condor. Yeah.
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It's been so long, I don't really remember. It's been a while,
but it was something like that. For the most part, this game sticks to the location.
Yeah. Like series of events, as the old one does.
And the story, for the most part, with the exceptions.
Exceptions and that's kind of one of the
issue i had with this
game is for big chunks of it you don't
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really know what the story is because you're you're not doing much
yeah like if you didn't i feel
if you didn't play the original when you get
when you get to junon you're kind of like like
what is yeah what is the point like what is this for yeah
which it kind of advances a little little bit there
because that's when you meet yuffie yuffie wherever
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her name is and you know you kind of get her
backstory she will always be yuffie yuffie always do
they call her yuffie in this one they did yeah i i
enjoy it because like they build on the characters a
lot and i'm a big like oh i love character
development i love building on characters because when
something like sad or happy or whatever happens to
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them like it has a bigger effect it has more of an
effect on you so i love the fact that like they
built on tifa and eric's relationship their friendship
growing like you could see like okay they're friends the girls they're friends
i love it like they're hanging out at costa del sol doing like their little
quest together i loved it it was cute they're fucking skinny ass white bitch
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bikinis like with zero curves except for the big Big old boobies.
Teva got the boobies, you know? They were distracting.
It's like the dude in Severance, his butt just distracted his shit.
It's like, hey man, put it away. Put it away. How dare you have a butt that large?
Women pay good money for that i didn't love how it started like the game started
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like it was just a the story anyways it was just because you were confused you
see zach you're like what what's
going on does it explain any of that because i know
you beat it so i don't want any well no we don't want to spoil it
i don't want any spoilers just answer does it
explain it that's all i want to know that's the spoiler is it
yeah to me it is okay so don't don't don't
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say it then don't explain it we know it's weird shit we know
there's an answer stuff i'll say you're going to be more confused yeah oh
god you know what i mean like okay so whatever we're
almost there well only a few chapters kind of kind of picking
up off of so we're only going to talk up
till what golden saucer might as well or a little
bit post that because you we got a passer we
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got saucer we're on our way to the chocobo race we passed that
we're on our way to find a barrett barrett and
fucking dane or dine yeah okay so so yeah we'll stick to that part that's a
good kind of segue way or a good not segue but good middle point yeah yeah but
but bringing up yuffie kind of helps she's super transition this next point
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i kind of want to make is the the differences.
Or notable changes from this in the original okay like with yuffie and the original
is kind of you had to do certain not really do certain things differently or
special to get her but it was kind of you fight her you meet her in a random
forest yeah and you have to like do Do something to get her in your party.
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Because you don't get her automatically, right? And doesn't she rob your ass?
Something like that. She steals all your material. She steals all the material. Yeah.
This game, you get her. I got to that point in the original. Kind of no matter what.
She's going to be a member of your party. She's going to be a part of your group.
It's further along in the story.
You don't actually. She does not become a permanent member until you're about to leave Costa del Sol.
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Yeah. but that among other notable
kind of more notable changes the
whole zach being alive kind of part yeah
because and i don't like so my thoughts on that is after playing crisis core
i don't like that they brought him back because his death was so impactful it
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was i you know i don't know like Like, I don't weep often.
That shit made me weep a little bit. Like, there was so much impact to his death
that I feel like bringing him back was kind of cheap.
Uh it's and i know you can't talk about like the
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end like the end of this game with
with any spoilers so i don't know i think it depends on
what sense they bring them back yeah you know like they're just gonna undo
everything that has happened yeah but it is kind
of cheap but if it's playing him at the end of
end of crisis core was just so impactful because
it's it's not like anything that really ever happens
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in games like you don't die in games unless
you're playing the walking dead and you're playing lee and
he dies you know we talked about that give him the phoenix down
you know like y'all motherfuckers got potions shit give him a potion no but
he you know he dies and it was it was a really well done scene especially when
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he's like did i become a hero and you know she was like you're damn right you
see him like you see him in the end like struggling
and he's just getting shot up and it's fucked up but it's impactful it has an impact.
That is one thing the whole angel and genesis
like they're not brought up at all in this game
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and i kind of wish they would have been yeah just because they
have all the loveless posters yeah yeah that was
a huge like uh just seeing all the loveless posters i was like that part what's
going on here that's how i felt i'm like hold on what's going on here i see
a lot of loveless posters so kind of skipping ahead to where you are at the
golden saucer did you why every time I talk,
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That was the studio audience thing. The computer went blank.
I don't mind it. And I woke it up.
No, like skipping ahead to when you get to the Golden Saucer and you're on the
date with whoever the fuck you're on a date with.
And you see Jessie's poster. Oh, yeah.
Did it mention that in the first game that she was an actress?
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I don't remember that ever being brought up. I don't think so.
She was kind of a non-issue in the first game. I thought she talked about it
or something like that when she was on her little kind of a date with Cloud.
But I don't know. That was another thing. In the first game?
Yeah, she did talk about it. She did talk about it in the remake.
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Weird Cloud talking like, damn, that was my girl or some shit.
Hey, you know what? Jessie was the baby.
In the first one, they did a great job like having
a connection between those two jay she's like
above earth and fucking tifa to me
man she was endgame i'm like if i fucking saw her
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again like i'm like oh you're mine damn you're mine she was endgame for cloud
in that game like she was so cute so sweet they didn't i loved her great job
like making her and i think that
was probably another kind of a notable upgrade from From the original.
Yeah. Like giving not just her but Biggs and Wedge. And all these other characters.
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Like the actual character.
Yeah. Yeah. Character. Like even fucking Dio. I mean he was annoying. But.
Giving him more more something to do yeah just to do or you know kind of i feel
like a lot of the side characters from the original kind of get more of a personality
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yeah they do they're just,
jay had it on them jesse was great even though like even in
the original like i always wondered when i was younger you know
like man like wonder how these dudes were like
what's up with that they died all early on and shit yeah i
i like jesse in the in the remake and i'm imagining
if they had the technological advancements at
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the time to do that stuff they would have given all these other characters but
you know you can only do so much with three fucking 700
megabyte discs and it works i mean it
still works when you just have these they make you
like you're gonna know who these characters are but
you ain't gonna know shit about them because they're gonna be gone yeah early
on yeah it just leaves you wondering like i want to know if these people had
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personalities and in the remake they did yeah and you know like you know what's
his name wedge yeah big dude right he had like he loved his cat fucking cat
he was a big old teddy bear.
Bigs was charlie sheen charlie sheen and
i feel like he looked different in this game but you
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know jesse was just a sweet baby angel yeah she was
she was a sweet baby angel and she was leagues
ahead of fucking both erith and tifa i feel
like they did that on purpose because they're like we're gonna give you extra
games to fucking you know build relationships with these characters yeah she's
only gonna be in this first one maybe so let's you know let's give her the best
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we can give her but i i love the fact that they they saw her poster there and And they both were like,
because we went on the date with Tifa. She's special.
Yeah. And you got errors. I was about to bring that up. Yeah. So we got Tifa.
So yeah, she brings it up. Oh, yeah. You know, she performed. It was sad. It was sad.
Did you do the performance part? Yeah.
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No but oh never mind that's further on in
the game okay you go back at some point
and okay but let's kind
of kind of move on a little bit from the story plot bs a little bit to the actual
gameplay itself specifically like combat it's hard it it is hard but it it's
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i don't know as someone grow up who grew up playing the turn-based style shit yeah the.
Active kind of combat yeah
it's all right if you know i can kind of compare it
to final fantasy 13 where you can run around do whatever fuck you want yeah
but if you're like you know say a half mile
away from the monster and they swing their arm it's still going to hit you
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in final fantasy 13 like come on this game isn't like that
that you know they have to actually actively hit you
yeah but combat it.
Is hard but it's not much change from the
the first the remake i feel like
they made it harder this one was tougher man it definitely was
it was like so far the fights last a long.
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Fucking time they really fucking do like i knew every
time i'm fighting especially if you're cloud and well honestly it's.
Whoever you're as the main character while you're fighting you're.
Gonna take huge hp loss no matter what.
You do go after you yeah it was like and then you don't get
healed by your other members and it's always
like man let me use up all these cures or potions mega
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potions whatever there goes my mp there goes
my fucking no i never used i used fucking
potions and shit because the cures takes a
fucking long to cast yeah and you get hit there's
so many times i would die like as i'm casting like
you motherfuckers oh it's so annoying yeah like
that was so frustrating man it you know
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what like i like that fighting style here and
there but sometimes i wanted to be
more like turn-based yeah like back in the old day yeah i like
let me take my turn cast this do the attack whatever
then the enemy you take your fucking turn and do your shit and
while i wish it was like skyrim where i could fucking snipe them
with arrows i'm surprised honestly you
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can't because you see them so unlike the
original there's no like random encounters you see
everything so you can avoid them and i
do for the most sneak attacks but some of
those fights like that boss in the swamp the snake
died so many times the big
snake the big snake yeah midgar some summer or whatever see i don't i died maybe
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once i think i don't think we died well actually i think i killed it not right
away but i was able to a lot but we were already doing like some side shit i
think to help you know we were power double shit.
But then there's some other bosses like that boss in Junon like in the water,
killed that thing real like quick like the one
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where the dolphin fucking saves you or some bullshit
my laptop but along with
the combat the what kind of made this
one a little bit different than the remake was the exploration
yeah like in the remake you're
in midgar so it's kind of linear you can only go down this path or
this path like there's not so much you can explore when
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you go out of a town in this one the
area is open and you can go explore a lot yeah and
obviously you kind of get to the point where in other open world
games where it's you're doing the same thing every in every open area
like here's your tower you got to fucking unlock or yeah
here's this temple or bs blah blah.
Blah but the fact you can go to any of these
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places and do any of these things so you're not like
stuck on a you know linear path
so this kind of it kind of harkens back
a little bit to the original where when
you get out of a city you can just walk around anywhere out in
the world map and yeah yeah do whatever you want
to do which i kind of
like because well kind of
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torn because the linear part of some games think of
like uncharted or the last of us like it's giving
my point a to point b and i'll do it but i
don't know sometimes in rpgs or fantasy
games like i want to explore and see
the world like a lot of times in games or books or
movies like the environment is a
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big part of the game and like i want to i want to i want to see some epic visuals
yeah yeah so it's nice being able to do that in in this game not being stuck
in midgar where it's fucking goddamn tucson looking shit with a bunch of really bad streets.
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The yeah the exploration i think is a big improvement
from the first game but it's a logical improvement because
you can't really you can't have an open world without it
being open yeah exactly you can't do that in a city where it's
a bunch of fucking slums yeah i was trying to bring up
like the how like uh fans reacted to
it and the reviews and stuff but that's when my freaking computer took.
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A dump and died but i.
Know it's it was ranked pretty well it's in
the middle i feel like with a lot of the fans is like
some people love open world some people hate
it yeah some people want linear some don't
it does feel different from the the last one
it does yeah just because the open world because you have so much
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shit to see like you get on your chocobos and fucking go
and explore shit and you find things and
all this kind of shit like i i enjoy a
good open world i felt overwhelmed sometimes yeah or
like too much stuff like the little side notes that
would come up sometimes with a new thing oh yeah like oh
my god what do i have to do for this like and i love
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games like that yeah i love games that keep you engaged
and like oh it's open world i can go look
around shit i love that kind of stuff i love collecting
things and like doing that and
building up my inventory i love that kind of stuff i can
see how it's get it gets tiresome for people though
because costa del sol i was like
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i love a good side quest even this is
a little bit much for me oh my god yeah like this
is too much like picture the fucking like the cactuar yeah with that weird fucking
dude yeah i was like dude what's wrong with you the five johnnies dude i hate
that one i don't think we did that one we started but you we We haven't found
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the last one, right? The last Johnny.
Because you had to continue with the story. I hate him.
I hate Johnny. He's a fucking creep. He's funny. He's a fucking creep. He's an idiot.
He's a fucking creep. I mean, I'd be nice to have my own little fucking hotel.
The fucking... Yeah. The shell. I'm not going to lie. The smell in.
Yeah. I'm not going to lie. I was like, I want a hotel.
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I want to own a hotel like that. The fucking roof is missing, man. But I hate...
I hate Johnny as a character. I think he's obnoxious and I think he's a creep.
I forgot. I always forget that he was in the original ones. Was he really? Yeah. I don't like him.
I don't like him. And I hope he suffers. Fuck that. I hate Hojo.
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Hojo is a piece of shit. He's a fucking weirdo. That's your real,
real creep right there. No, yeah. He's absolutely a creep. And the fucking Turks.
The Turks are fucking. Especially Elena. But I love the fact that Rude got in
there in the bald head club.
And they rubbed their heads. And it was funny as shit. I missed that part.
You missed that part, yeah.
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Because you kept playing. Hey, you told me to keep playing.
I didn't know it was going to get into all that. There are characters,
though. They're creeps. Hojo, obviously, is a bad guy.
He's obviously a villain. He's a creep. Johnny is a fucking obnoxious little shit.
He's a creep. I can't stand him. him there's a
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part later when you fight you can't stand him
when you fight the turks and you beat them
and like i'm like i just want cloud to
kill elena so fucking so much she's annoying as shit she's a little kid like
go away so elena i'm trying to remember was she in seven original i don't remember
or was she just like crisis core i thought she was crisis crisis core i'm just
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i just remember it's just reno and rude that's all i remember from the original she's not in the
original i don't think i'd have to look it up i thought she was crisis core but i don't know
i'd have to look it up i'm gonna look it up right now maybe i don't know what
uh where were you at time wise we're probably 27 minutes almost oh damn so we're
fucking two things behind.
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So, yeah, we kind of talked about a little bit of characters. Yeah.
And it's hard to talk about a theme and the narrative structure because you
guys haven't beat it yet. Yeah.
And a lot of the narrative structure. And obviously we're going to come back
and revisit when we do beat it so we can talk about it more.
But a lot of that stuff kind of you don't really get to that point until the end.
That's when the narrative kind of completes itself.
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So far from what we're seeing, we're more than halfway through it.
Even you know it's still a lot of questions yeah yeah yeah and where we're at yeah you'll get,
there god damn it but uh so
let's talk about a little bit of the obviously comparing it to the old game
the graphics and music and everything and obviously voice acting is better but
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the better how does it i guess how does it match up well not really match up but the immersion of it
like does the music and graphics and
everything kind of add to the story i think so
i i want to say yes but the original story is so good too with shit graphics
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it really is and like yeah shit graphics but for the time for the time they
were great they were final fantasy 7 was always yeah i think it was it was super
successful because it had a great story,
And it had great music to go with it. There's a reason that it's still heralded
as one of the best RPGs ever to have existed.
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And every character has, or most of them, have their own theme that's a memorable theme.
Yeah, like Tifa's theme, I can hear it. And I'm like, okay, that's Tifa's theme.
Aerith's theme, I can hear it and be like, yeah, that's that.
You know what I mean? like i can hear the the battery or i'm sorry the battle victory song and.
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Fucking air it or not air it fucking bear it goddamn eufy dude you hear it you
know exactly what it is you hear the battle music you know exactly what it is
you know you you hear the songs from the original final fantasy seven and you know exactly what it
is yeah and i think they implement
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it really well yeah into these and you
know the certain updating them to make them not
sound yeah that's not a midi yeah it's an
actual lot of time orchestra they sound great yeah
they sound great like and i think implementing them into you playing the piano
for these things fucking hard it's fucking rough i've gotten it down a little
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little bit but i have not i did the one for tifa's theme i think yeah the one i was like,
bearish is difficult because i'm bad i was like all over the planet the music
wasn't matching up sometimes with like what you had to hit on the joysticks
i'm like what the fuck it threw me off but i'm not good at it the uh oh fuck
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i forgot i was gonna say about the The graphics? The music? Music.
I think it was about the music. Oh, just in general, how Final Fantasy's always
had, like, all of the games.
Their music has always been fucking great. Yeah. Like, yeah.
They if you always like you talk about you see lists of like best music soundtracks
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yeah there's always going to be a final fantasy and in the top five just because
it's i mean just based off the.
You know they have the icon that's all iconic you
know what that's from you know what it is like seven has yeah but seven has
the best music well and then a lot of the kind of not generic but the music
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they have like the fight themes or the you know you win a fight theme,
they've kind of all been the same since the originals they just kind of update them they're all,
relatively close to each other yeah yeah but like fight themes and yeah battle winning themes or.
But that's what's made these games great you know throughout the
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years and decades like because i mean how
many times i'm having great music every character has a
good theme you hear it like a movie
a show or whatever like the music is such
a big impactful part of it it is and the fact they have so like each like character
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has their own theme yeah each area has their own theme yeah like i compare it
to dragon quest 11 where yeah it was fucking generic dude great game,
the game was pretty fun but i remember we talked about on
podcasts years ago like you're in a desert area and it's
the same music they played in the fucking city or jungle like change it up i
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don't need some fucking like aladdin-esque music or something but give me something
different for each area it's that same song dude constantly god it got i remember
we talked about how annoying like i do remember that yeah.
Yeah like i feel like that is one thing that for
a majority of square because that's a square game
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dragon quest also but like the final fantasies
the chrono cross chrono triggers a lot
of their games their music has always been one of
the high like if you look at magazines back in the
day like game pro it's impactful like they always a game
gets reviewed and you know out of five always the music's going.
To be a five out of five there's never going to be like a one.
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Yes like you're not gonna see oh goddamn final fantasy.
9 music got a three out of five yeah they
got a five out of five you think about like movies and
shows without the soundtrack there like
it's less impactful yeah it always adds
to it it it always adds to a scene like
in goodfellas though the the soundtrack
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is fucking great and it adds to the
scenes like playing layla like during
the scene where they're finding all the dead bodies all over
the fucking city and shit like yeah it
didn't fit but it was impactful like you remember it
you're like oh okay shit yeah i remember this i don't
know why i don't know why i thought about this one because i think i saw it
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on disney i didn't watch it but in the
avengers end game like when all the people start coming
out of the portals oh yeah the music's like rising and
rising and rising and then it stops when captain america says
you know avengers assemble and then it fucking all comes back
yeah hey that shit did it perfect
you have to have great music great
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music or orchestration like yeah it'll make
the shit memorable oh yeah and i hate to be a fucking i
hate to be that person but like game of thrones had it had it down that good
music they had great fucking music in their soundtrack like when you are watching
the episode the red wedding and you hear that fucking song playing you're like
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oh shit it's like yeah i like how the the.
Leftovers did it oh the leftovers because they had one song one song but there
were different variations different variations through all of it but it's always
the same song it's always the same a piano song great song but yeah depending
on the scene it would have different variations of that song and.
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Added to the impact of the scene yeah yeah and
that's that is what music does for you
yeah like music takes a
an okay show to a great show or can
make a fucking great show with the shit music like and that's
that's one thing that's one thing final fantasy has always had like the
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music great music like oh i'm going to a desert here
comes my desert yeah the music theme like i
hear you're now after playing games like
this or you know other things a desert theme you
know it's a desert yeah like or you hear
like an ocean theme you know it's an
ocean theme and it's because of games like
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this that started it like i
hear something now and like i'm going to
a beach and i'm if i don't hear music you know
costa del sol-ish or you know jamaican or something like What I really like
with Seven is that they always did a good job of having the right music for
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the right place to feel the right emotion for what's going on.
The fight was always like, oh, this gets me pumped up.
If it's a serious scene, you have those serious themes.
Games and like if it's a romantic
scene you know it's a romantic scene because it
has that that song playing in the
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background it makes you feel a certain type of way it the music
is there to make you feel a certain type of way and it it
is successful in these games and even
in the remake rebirth this one it it
succeeds yeah i mean they had the
blueprint for success they just had to update it and
make it you know modernize it a little bit you're not
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doing a fucking 16-bit fucking midi theme
now because you're not having like the costa del
sol scene or song playing when it's
a romantic scene between tifa and eric and that's that
shit that would fucking drag quest
would do it's like they had like four songs
yeah fucking say what the fuck man the
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budget run lower yeah and and
i'm pretty sure the composer for that game fucking variation
the composer for the game is a really good composer like
a really i don't think it was the final fantasy guy i
don't know probably like this is a really easy gig they only need me
for like four songs and i think there you go the intro to
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the game started out really great like oh this fucking music's gonna be good.
And then you're like for the next first five hours like that same song is playing
oh my god just shut the fuck up for the love of god just stop it is it's yeah
yeah it's not great it's it's like watching full house,
It just gets rolling. Everywhere you look. Everywhere you look.
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The place for somebody. I mean, I feel like as where you guys are at,
that's about as in-depth as we can go on this conversation without really,
because we can't really talk like narrative or plot points because honestly.
Up until that point, not a lot of shit has happened for you guys.
That's fair. It kind of crescendos at the end a little bit with the story.
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And then we'll we'll briefly talk on it like on the
next podcast yeah you know but yeah well
honestly it could probably be its own because there's a lot to know yeah
i think the next episode should be part two
yeah part two part two we can do part two yeah chapter
fucking nine forward yeah yeah because i
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mean there's probably a lot that goes on oh i don't
god there's i don't really i don't know because i
didn't have moss call in for it also
because yeah he'd beaten it invite him and his
beard um call him up but uh yeah i
think kind of summarizing this one like the stuff
we could talk about obviously the music yeah the exploration yeah
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the characters i will say like i do
want to say the game is beautiful it is it's
so pretty it's it is there's so and there's
so much to do there's so much to do it's so
pretty it it's so visually like
pleasing pleasing yeah it's up there with uh it's beautiful like it is rewarding
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doing all that side shit more time consuming obviously yeah yeah but it is rewarding
yeah you uncover more shit sometimes you unlock a little more extra of the story
yeah but yeah it's just if If you're willing to spend that time.
Yeah. It's a beautiful game.
It is really, really visually pleasing to the eye. It is gorgeous.
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I think- When you get to Golden Saucer and you see all the fireworks,
it's just so pretty. It's so pretty in-
Yeah i i i'm loving it i love me
a good open world game though i think that the i
think you know as we get older time
we don't have as much time i think that's probably why i get to that point
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i just want to beat it like i can't really sit around
and play this game for 100 hours as much as i would
like to i got a life i got shit to do still
outside of that i can't be sitting down because i
i still played 45 hours and like two
fucking weeks it feels like and there's times like you know clem times like
hey play with me like hey sorry you know go watch fucking blue or something
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i got this video game boolean bingo yeah but coming from someone who put hundreds
of hours into like animal crossing that's because you got your hand held yeah.
Yeah it's easier yeah like i
can't i mean they have the handheld bullshit right
for it but it's like you have to be connected to a
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store some weird crap but even then i wouldn't do it
i can't sit around that long i'm willing to do
it it's it's one of those though like there's
because i don't know like last weekend i think is when i
beat it or whenever i beat it like i'm
i was sitting there for like young
me would be like congratulations old man
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he still got it you know young me when i'm sitting
in my room and like high school for like 12 hours playing fucking fawn
vansley nine or something like that but you
know as you get older it's it's harder than my it's like
my attention span has gotten worse it's like i'm gonna focus
i'm like all right i want to fucking go
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outside for five minutes or something yeah but
but this game you know the we kind of talked
about the characters the graphics exploration the gameplay it's
i think they all fucking a lot more all fucking a
plus material yeah absolutely like outside of you know some of the story shit
everything has been fucking great a the story is just a little convoluted little
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Kingdom Hearts esque where it's like what the fuck am I actually doing yeah
well I'm assuming it's gonna get around but.
It's going to tie in a little more further on with the next game.
Yeah, honestly, the last two chapters, you're just going to probably sit there
and be like, What is happening? What? Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, we already have our theories. We do. Kind of what's going on, you know? We do.
And again. You should write them down so then you can like. We'll talk about
it on the next one. I mean, we talked about it. I think. We have in other podcasts.
When we talked about the Final Fantasy remake, when we did that podcast.
Yeah. We talked about it with the. Oh, yeah. the gold
twinkly bullshit well no with like
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cloud going up against sephiroth and he's like you have seven
seconds and blah blah blah this and that eric knowing more
and then all the fucking the dementors shit you know yeah at that time and like
the i know you want to talk about it the different the different uh timelines
basically oh yeah it's just yeah yeah we'll get there yes That's, yeah, yeah.
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We'll get there. We'll get there. And then we'll have our theories.
We'll have what we know of from this one. And then we'll be wondering for another
two years before they come out with a third one. For the next podcast.
Two, three years. For the next podcast, we'll go with our theories and then
we'll talk about the game.
And then we'll go with some more theories. You know what?
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You should just fucking take like two minutes right now and just like say what your theories,
like your main like your main theories just so we can like
have it on record yeah i haven't organized it real
briefly like it always seemed to me from like the first one mainly
from the first one that eric knew more it was almost
like a different timeline eric yeah like she
knew something was going to happen she knew something was bad
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and it almost seemed like a future one like yeah
yeah it was strange not saying she doesn't
because i know like how the game goes as
the original game goes she dies not saying
she doesn't die in this one they pulled the same
with like eric but kind of how they did with a jesse wedge
and biggs kind of like you get
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to know a little bit of the character with her you got to know a little more in
the original but then she dies and you're like what the fuck how
am i supposed to get like uh her last limit break see i
remember playing that shit you're like what the fuck dude and
i remember getting it so early I'm like oh man this is great and then she like
literally like she gets her level four and like cloud is like I just barely
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got level two limit break I'm like oh this is great and then fucking and then
she's gone fucking ceiling fucking Sephiroth fucker but yeah I mean.
My whole thing is like when Claude goes up against Sephiroth and he says that
line to him. That seven second shit.
Seven seconds thing. It's like seven seconds. Like, is that like,
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did he go back in time to save Zack? Yeah.
But it almost seems like a fucking dream too. Yeah, almost.
Because it's like you see them, they're past the fuck out in this one.
Yeah. Then you have their realities going on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then when it goes to the Zach moments,
it's like, and they're just, there's clouds and whatever.
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They're just fucking leaping, knocked out. Fucking like, you guys are like, yeah, you do.
Well, you say things that are like, makes me remember things.
I'm like, oh fuck. Yeah. We need to beat it.
We'll beat it. Sometimes you figure shit out. Like that was confusing.
You know, you just talking about it. You're like, oh fuck. I think this is what they fucking mean.
Or yeah, we'll have it beat by a fucking combo. We're going to be,
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we're going to beat it this week.
Yeah yeah yeah drill this weekend
and then the weekend after that is camping
so three weeks from now yeah sometime
we'll get there we can do a mobile recording one it doesn't matter
yeah should we wrap it up yeah I think we covered everything we like the game
we know the story is a little confusing the fighting I knock it down it's hard
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because it's a little too fucking it's too much chaotic for me sometimes Sometimes
it's just like, I don't even know, to fucking just button mashing, man.
And that's exactly what like, braver, braver, braver, braver,
braver, braver. Square, square, square. Triple slash here and there. Triple slash.
Let me snipe some motherfuckers. Cure, cure. Oh, I should probably do something with these other guys.
Just like fucking Yuffie, triangle, fucking square, square, square,
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square, square, square, triangle, square, square, square, square. Yeah. Yeah.
So that's always been a little too chaotic for me. Yeah. Great game.
But yeah, I love the game so far. It's beautiful.
It is it is it's beautiful i wish
all of our old favorite games could get the love that
this game has gotten yeah yeah a remake version alice but you know it was time
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people have asked been asking for this shit for fucking years and years and
years like that's fair and they finally delivered even though and i think they
delivered well yeah like honestly like yeah the first fucking part i was like
this is fucking great man yeah.
Honestly like the haters they can go fuck themselves because this
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this game is great they're gonna hate but as much as they're gonna
hate as long as there's more love than hate then who gives a fuck
about that i'm just hoping that the original came out like 97 yeah like so let's
finish this out in 27 like get a 30 year fucking yeah yeah dude like so let
me wait another three years yeah i mean they said it's gonna come out faster
than this one because they already have of everything.
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It's like four years. Okay. So the four, three and a half.
I mean, that's how they were with this one when they were working on another
one. They were working on this part already.
So we'll see when the next one comes out. Yeah. But we still got to beat this one.
And then wait for years till the next. He has that look on his face.
Like, I can't wait till you guys beat this one.
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Just wait. You're going to see some shit.
Honestly. Tomorrow before we go over there We're going to knock out a chapter
or two You're going to beat it And then you're going to feel how I feel You're
like I wish you would have told us Not to fucking play it anymore What's that buddy?
Alright cool man Until next time Is that the wrong song?
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I don't even know where I'm at I thought you pressed the Shit,
I was just kidding, dude. Y'all gotta chill, man. You know what I mean?
This is a fucking outro. Yeah, it's a good game.
Obviously, I want to recommend it. Any game we've talked about on here,
I've never fucking not recommended because we're not going to talk about shit
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games on here just because I don't have time to play shit games.
Even though sometimes I'm like, maybe we should treat shit games like shit movies
every once in a while. I'm down.
As long as they're short.
I've wanted a podcast on some fucking shitty movies I mean a lot of the movies
we've done are shitty because it's funnier it is funnier,
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because we just rag on them so fucking much like the Twilight ones I think are
our best fucking episodes we're funny people I'm not,
I'm not I'm always serious I don't have the energy to exert playing
a shit game like watching a shit movie is easy because i can just sit there fall
guys is fun though is it
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yeah yeah i want to play that worms rumble i
don't like that one you played it here oh yeah yeah yeah the shooting game where
you're a worm yeah yeah it's entertaining it's fucking ridiculous fall guys
is fun and it's one of those games like i can play for like 10 minutes and i'm
like all right well that was fun i'll play it again two years from now i've
been all about the stardew valley lately stardew valley and i am 90
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% to 100 to a fucking perfection rating.
Thanks again. Phil's playing. That's the one that Moss plays all the time. Okay.
Yeah. All right, man. All right. Next podcast, 497,572. Mm-hmm. 500.
881. 65,300. We've been doing this shit for fucking 3.5 billion years. Mm-hmm. True.
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Still around, man. True, true. We were blessed by the podcast gods.
Yes, we were. Yes. Because that's a god that exists.
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Back to episode number 642 of Faulty Logic.
642. Sounds about right-ish. Yeah. I mean, I can't imagine.
Who knows? I can't imagine we're below that. Anywhere below that, yeah.
We're in like 120 or 357,000. One of those. Somewhere between there. Somewhere in there.
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Every weekend since 2016.
So doing the math.
Yeah, it equals out to about 100,000. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's,
what, 525,600 minutes in a year?
If you pull out your scientific calculator, you can punch in the factorials
and do the permutations. The permutations. To get the calculation correct to
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know what podcast we're on.
We're on a high number. Yeah, we're up there somewhere. Anyway, it's in a couple digits.
Yeah, yeah. It's somewhere up there. So, yeah, like mentioned in the intro.
That fantastic intro. fantastic somewhere up
there definitely we're talking about uh final fantasy 7 rebirth
uh only about the first two-thirds of the
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game yeah we we haven't all beat it i
am a loser with no life so i played the shit out of it i'm like damn i knew
you were gonna pass this man but i knew we were gonna have a break but we're
gonna play it yeah i was gonna be gone but i beat i beat the the hell out of
it and uh so yeah we're gonna gonna go through the uh okay but first thoughts
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first impressions of the
game it's fun but
the story is a little bit
convoluted yeah and it's a hard game
it yeah it is it is hard i got to
the point later on past where you guys are at where i
had to go to easy really i did
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and you know i'm am
i gonna fucking i got to the point where like
how it is with most games with me where i'm just ready to beat it yeah so i'm
not really worried about gameplay i'm more of a story like we're all different
game players because i will do the shit out of some side quests that why and i really enjoy it.
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And I know you're not into the side quests as much. Oh, I'm into them.
Just at some point, I want to beat the game. You just want to get to the end.
I have been playing Skyrim for years, and I've never beat that game because
I just do a bunch of side quests, and I do a bunch of random shit.
So I'm the type, I like to get lost in the game. I get impatient, too.
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I also get impatient. I do like doing side quests here and there,
but I do get impatient where i want to progress the story because
i feel like if i wait too long and start doing all this side
stuff you're gonna lose interest yeah it
kind of loses is like uh the hole that it had on me yeah that's that's i've
had that issue with a couple games like red dead redemption 2 or ghost of tsushima
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never beat it just because i did some quest heavy well they can be you don't
have to but i did a lot of the side quests and eventually i'm like all right i'm gonna put it
down for a while and then you know six years later
i've never picked it back up i damn near got to 100 on breath
of the wild so yeah i'm i'm
i did all the side quests in that game like i
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love a good side quest as long as
they keep me engaged and that's
the the thing because a lot of side quests in this game
are kind of the same thing over and over yeah again
but but uh i mean it was the same in like breath of the wild even tears of the
kingdom it's a lot of the same shit but i still really enjoy a good side quest
let's go over kind of how like how it starts yeah yeah yeah absolutely little
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uh little kind of brief summary of the kind of plot of the game how come there was no laughter there.
The audience audience fucking lame sometimes yeah rate the fucking sign yeah
fucking idiots Spay your dogs and cats.
So this game starts with the last one's ending, which is you escape out of Midgar. Yeah.
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Your crew of Cloud, Barret, Tifa, Aeris, and Red XIII...
They are members of avalanche and then test subjects
who are trying to you know
fight the power fight the power green peace
but like terrorist versions of it yeah
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and they're like peter yeah a
little bit so in the original final fantasy
you get out of midgar and i think
you're at that point you're looking for sephiroth or something like that or
whatever you're i can't really remember the plot i don't remember it i
just remember you leave midgar you start going through like
the old school open world version and
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you make your you're make your way up to what nebel
i'm not nebel not yeah you go to nebelheim but you
go after right yeah calm first calm yeah and
then you end up in where barrett
is from barrett sorry well so you go you go
from calm to the gun city whatever
that's called where the fucking big gun
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is at that's a junon yeah so
you go calm to junon to costa del sol cosmo canyon and no before cosmo canyon
you go to golden saucer but before golden saucer that's where barrett's from
mount corral or yeah corral So then Golden Saucer,
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then Cosmo Cannon. What's the...
In the original, when you get... You gotta go past the big-ass snake...
Then you go through the cave, and then you end up on top.
Not Corral? Well, I thought it was like Fort Condor or some shit like that.
I think it is Fort Condor. Yeah.
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It's been so long, I don't really remember. It's been a while,
but it was something like that. For the most part, this game sticks to the location.
Yeah. Like series of events, as the old one does.
And the story, for the most part, with the exceptions.
Exceptions and that's kind of one of the
issue i had with this
game is for big chunks of it you don't
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really know what the story is because you're you're not doing much
yeah like if you didn't i feel
if you didn't play the original when you get
when you get to junon you're kind of like like
what is yeah what is the point like what is this for yeah
which it kind of advances a little little bit there
because that's when you meet yuffie yuffie wherever
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her name is and you know you kind of get her
backstory she will always be yuffie yuffie always do
they call her yuffie in this one they did yeah i i
enjoy it because like they build on the characters a
lot and i'm a big like oh i love character
development i love building on characters because when
something like sad or happy or whatever happens to
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them like it has a bigger effect it has more of an
effect on you so i love the fact that like they
built on tifa and eric's relationship their friendship
growing like you could see like okay they're friends the girls they're friends
i love it like they're hanging out at costa del sol doing like their little
quest together i loved it it was cute they're fucking skinny ass white bitch
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bikinis like with zero curves except for the big Big old boobies.
Teva got the boobies, you know? They were distracting.
It's like the dude in Severance, his butt just distracted his shit.
It's like, hey man, put it away. Put it away. How dare you have a butt that large?
Women pay good money for that i didn't love how it started like the game started
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like it was just a the story anyways it was just because you were confused you
see zach you're like what what's
going on does it explain any of that because i know
you beat it so i don't want any well no we don't want to spoil it
i don't want any spoilers just answer does it
explain it that's all i want to know that's the spoiler is it
yeah to me it is okay so don't don't don't
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say it then don't explain it we know it's weird shit we know
there's an answer stuff i'll say you're going to be more confused yeah oh
god you know what i mean like okay so whatever we're
almost there well only a few chapters kind of kind of picking
up off of so we're only going to talk up
till what golden saucer might as well or a little
bit post that because you we got a passer we
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got saucer we're on our way to the chocobo race we passed that
we're on our way to find a barrett barrett and
fucking dane or dine yeah okay so so yeah we'll stick to that part that's a
good kind of segue way or a good not segue but good middle point yeah yeah but
but bringing up yuffie kind of helps she's super transition this next point
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i kind of want to make is the the differences.
Or notable changes from this in the original okay like with yuffie and the original
is kind of you had to do certain not really do certain things differently or
special to get her but it was kind of you fight her you meet her in a random
forest yeah and you have to like do Do something to get her in your party.
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Because you don't get her automatically, right? And doesn't she rob your ass?
Something like that. She steals all your material. She steals all the material. Yeah.
This game, you get her. I got to that point in the original. Kind of no matter what.
She's going to be a member of your party. She's going to be a part of your group.
It's further along in the story.
You don't actually. She does not become a permanent member until you're about to leave Costa del Sol.
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Yeah. but that among other notable
kind of more notable changes the
whole zach being alive kind of part yeah
because and i don't like so my thoughts on that is after playing crisis core
i don't like that they brought him back because his death was so impactful it
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was i you know i don't know like Like, I don't weep often.
That shit made me weep a little bit. Like, there was so much impact to his death
that I feel like bringing him back was kind of cheap.
Uh it's and i know you can't talk about like the
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end like the end of this game with
with any spoilers so i don't know i think it depends on
what sense they bring them back yeah you know like they're just gonna undo
everything that has happened yeah but it is kind
of cheap but if it's playing him at the end of
end of crisis core was just so impactful because
it's it's not like anything that really ever happens
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in games like you don't die in games unless
you're playing the walking dead and you're playing lee and
he dies you know we talked about that give him the phoenix down
you know like y'all motherfuckers got potions shit give him a potion no but
he you know he dies and it was it was a really well done scene especially when
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he's like did i become a hero and you know she was like you're damn right you
see him like you see him in the end like struggling
and he's just getting shot up and it's fucked up but it's impactful it has an impact.
That is one thing the whole angel and genesis
like they're not brought up at all in this game
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and i kind of wish they would have been yeah just because they
have all the loveless posters yeah yeah that was
a huge like uh just seeing all the loveless posters i was like that part what's
going on here that's how i felt i'm like hold on what's going on here i see
a lot of loveless posters so kind of skipping ahead to where you are at the
golden saucer did you why every time I talk,
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That was the studio audience thing. The computer went blank.
I don't mind it. And I woke it up.
No, like skipping ahead to when you get to the Golden Saucer and you're on the
date with whoever the fuck you're on a date with.
And you see Jessie's poster. Oh, yeah.
Did it mention that in the first game that she was an actress?
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I don't remember that ever being brought up. I don't think so.
She was kind of a non-issue in the first game. I thought she talked about it
or something like that when she was on her little kind of a date with Cloud.
But I don't know. That was another thing. In the first game?
Yeah, she did talk about it. She did talk about it in the remake.
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Weird Cloud talking like, damn, that was my girl or some shit.
Hey, you know what? Jessie was the baby.
In the first one, they did a great job like having
a connection between those two jay she's like
above earth and fucking tifa to me
man she was endgame i'm like if i fucking saw her
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again like i'm like oh you're mine damn you're mine she was endgame for cloud
in that game like she was so cute so sweet they didn't i loved her great job
like making her and i think that
was probably another kind of a notable upgrade from From the original.
Yeah. Like giving not just her but Biggs and Wedge. And all these other characters.
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Like the actual character.
Yeah. Yeah. Character. Like even fucking Dio. I mean he was annoying. But.
Giving him more more something to do yeah just to do or you know kind of i feel
like a lot of the side characters from the original kind of get more of a personality
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yeah they do they're just,
jay had it on them jesse was great even though like even in
the original like i always wondered when i was younger you know
like man like wonder how these dudes were like
what's up with that they died all early on and shit yeah i
i like jesse in the in the remake and i'm imagining
if they had the technological advancements at
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the time to do that stuff they would have given all these other characters but
you know you can only do so much with three fucking 700
megabyte discs and it works i mean it
still works when you just have these they make you
like you're gonna know who these characters are but
you ain't gonna know shit about them because they're gonna be gone yeah early
on yeah it just leaves you wondering like i want to know if these people had
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personalities and in the remake they did yeah and you know like you know what's
his name wedge yeah big dude right he had like he loved his cat fucking cat
he was a big old teddy bear.
Bigs was charlie sheen charlie sheen and
i feel like he looked different in this game but you
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know jesse was just a sweet baby angel yeah she was
she was a sweet baby angel and she was leagues
ahead of fucking both erith and tifa i feel
like they did that on purpose because they're like we're gonna give you extra
games to fucking you know build relationships with these characters yeah she's
only gonna be in this first one maybe so let's you know let's give her the best
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we can give her but i i love the fact that they they saw her poster there and And they both were like,
because we went on the date with Tifa. She's special.
Yeah. And you got errors. I was about to bring that up. Yeah. So we got Tifa.
So yeah, she brings it up. Oh, yeah. You know, she performed. It was sad. It was sad.
Did you do the performance part? Yeah.
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No but oh never mind that's further on in
the game okay you go back at some point
and okay but let's kind
of kind of move on a little bit from the story plot bs a little bit to the actual
gameplay itself specifically like combat it's hard it it is hard but it it's
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i don't know as someone grow up who grew up playing the turn-based style shit yeah the.
Active kind of combat yeah
it's all right if you know i can kind of compare it
to final fantasy 13 where you can run around do whatever fuck you want yeah
but if you're like you know say a half mile
away from the monster and they swing their arm it's still going to hit you
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in final fantasy 13 like come on this game isn't like that
that you know they have to actually actively hit you
yeah but combat it.
Is hard but it's not much change from the
the first the remake i feel like
they made it harder this one was tougher man it definitely was
it was like so far the fights last a long.
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Fucking time they really fucking do like i knew every
time i'm fighting especially if you're cloud and well honestly it's.
Whoever you're as the main character while you're fighting you're.
Gonna take huge hp loss no matter what.
You do go after you yeah it was like and then you don't get
healed by your other members and it's always
like man let me use up all these cures or potions mega
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potions whatever there goes my mp there goes
my fucking no i never used i used fucking
potions and shit because the cures takes a
fucking long to cast yeah and you get hit there's
so many times i would die like as i'm casting like
you motherfuckers oh it's so annoying yeah like
that was so frustrating man it you know
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what like i like that fighting style here and
there but sometimes i wanted to be
more like turn-based yeah like back in the old day yeah i like
let me take my turn cast this do the attack whatever
then the enemy you take your fucking turn and do your shit and
while i wish it was like skyrim where i could fucking snipe them
with arrows i'm surprised honestly you
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can't because you see them so unlike the
original there's no like random encounters you see
everything so you can avoid them and i
do for the most sneak attacks but some of
those fights like that boss in the swamp the snake
died so many times the big
snake the big snake yeah midgar some summer or whatever see i don't i died maybe
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once i think i don't think we died well actually i think i killed it not right
away but i was able to a lot but we were already doing like some side shit i
think to help you know we were power double shit.
But then there's some other bosses like that boss in Junon like in the water,
killed that thing real like quick like the one
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where the dolphin fucking saves you or some bullshit
my laptop but along with
the combat the what kind of made this
one a little bit different than the remake was the exploration
yeah like in the remake you're
in midgar so it's kind of linear you can only go down this path or
this path like there's not so much you can explore when
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you go out of a town in this one the
area is open and you can go explore a lot yeah and
obviously you kind of get to the point where in other open world
games where it's you're doing the same thing every in every open area
like here's your tower you got to fucking unlock or yeah
here's this temple or bs blah blah.
Blah but the fact you can go to any of these
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places and do any of these things so you're not like
stuck on a you know linear path
so this kind of it kind of harkens back
a little bit to the original where when
you get out of a city you can just walk around anywhere out in
the world map and yeah yeah do whatever you want
to do which i kind of
like because well kind of
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torn because the linear part of some games think of
like uncharted or the last of us like it's giving
my point a to point b and i'll do it but i
don't know sometimes in rpgs or fantasy
games like i want to explore and see
the world like a lot of times in games or books or
movies like the environment is a
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big part of the game and like i want to i want to i want to see some epic visuals
yeah yeah so it's nice being able to do that in in this game not being stuck
in midgar where it's fucking goddamn tucson looking shit with a bunch of really bad streets.
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The yeah the exploration i think is a big improvement
from the first game but it's a logical improvement because
you can't really you can't have an open world without it
being open yeah exactly you can't do that in a city where it's
a bunch of fucking slums yeah i was trying to bring up
like the how like uh fans reacted to
it and the reviews and stuff but that's when my freaking computer took.
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A dump and died but i.
Know it's it was ranked pretty well it's in
the middle i feel like with a lot of the fans is like
some people love open world some people hate
it yeah some people want linear some don't
it does feel different from the the last one
it does yeah just because the open world because you have so much
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shit to see like you get on your chocobos and fucking go
and explore shit and you find things and
all this kind of shit like i i enjoy a
good open world i felt overwhelmed sometimes yeah or
like too much stuff like the little side notes that
would come up sometimes with a new thing oh yeah like oh
my god what do i have to do for this like and i love
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games like that yeah i love games that keep you engaged
and like oh it's open world i can go look
around shit i love that kind of stuff i love collecting
things and like doing that and
building up my inventory i love that kind of stuff i can
see how it's get it gets tiresome for people though
because costa del sol i was like
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i love a good side quest even this is
a little bit much for me oh my god yeah like this
is too much like picture the fucking like the cactuar yeah with that weird fucking
dude yeah i was like dude what's wrong with you the five johnnies dude i hate
that one i don't think we did that one we started but you we We haven't found
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the last one, right? The last Johnny.
Because you had to continue with the story. I hate him.
I hate Johnny. He's a fucking creep. He's funny. He's a fucking creep. He's an idiot.
He's a fucking creep. I mean, I'd be nice to have my own little fucking hotel.
The fucking... Yeah. The shell. I'm not going to lie. The smell in.
Yeah. I'm not going to lie. I was like, I want a hotel.
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I want to own a hotel like that. The fucking roof is missing, man. But I hate...
I hate Johnny as a character. I think he's obnoxious and I think he's a creep.
I forgot. I always forget that he was in the original ones. Was he really? Yeah. I don't like him.
I don't like him. And I hope he suffers. Fuck that. I hate Hojo.
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Hojo is a piece of shit. He's a fucking weirdo. That's your real,
real creep right there. No, yeah. He's absolutely a creep. And the fucking Turks.
The Turks are fucking. Especially Elena. But I love the fact that Rude got in
there in the bald head club.
And they rubbed their heads. And it was funny as shit. I missed that part.
You missed that part, yeah.
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Because you kept playing. Hey, you told me to keep playing.
I didn't know it was going to get into all that. There are characters,
though. They're creeps. Hojo, obviously, is a bad guy.
He's obviously a villain. He's a creep. Johnny is a fucking obnoxious little shit.
He's a creep. I can't stand him. him there's a
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part later when you fight you can't stand him
when you fight the turks and you beat them
and like i'm like i just want cloud to
kill elena so fucking so much she's annoying as shit she's a little kid like
go away so elena i'm trying to remember was she in seven original i don't remember
or was she just like crisis core i thought she was crisis crisis core i'm just
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i just remember it's just reno and rude that's all i remember from the original she's not in the
original i don't think i'd have to look it up i thought she was crisis core but i don't know
i'd have to look it up i'm gonna look it up right now maybe i don't know what
uh where were you at time wise we're probably 27 minutes almost oh damn so we're
fucking two things behind.
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So, yeah, we kind of talked about a little bit of characters. Yeah.
And it's hard to talk about a theme and the narrative structure because you
guys haven't beat it yet. Yeah.
And a lot of the narrative structure. And obviously we're going to come back
and revisit when we do beat it so we can talk about it more.
But a lot of that stuff kind of you don't really get to that point until the end.
That's when the narrative kind of completes itself.
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So far from what we're seeing, we're more than halfway through it.
Even you know it's still a lot of questions yeah yeah yeah and where we're at yeah you'll get,
there god damn it but uh so
let's talk about a little bit of the obviously comparing it to the old game
the graphics and music and everything and obviously voice acting is better but
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the better how does it i guess how does it match up well not really match up but the immersion of it
like does the music and graphics and
everything kind of add to the story i think so
i i want to say yes but the original story is so good too with shit graphics
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it really is and like yeah shit graphics but for the time for the time they
were great they were final fantasy 7 was always yeah i think it was it was super
successful because it had a great story,
And it had great music to go with it. There's a reason that it's still heralded
as one of the best RPGs ever to have existed.
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And every character has, or most of them, have their own theme that's a memorable theme.
Yeah, like Tifa's theme, I can hear it. And I'm like, okay, that's Tifa's theme.
Aerith's theme, I can hear it and be like, yeah, that's that.
You know what I mean? like i can hear the the battery or i'm sorry the battle victory song and.
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Fucking air it or not air it fucking bear it goddamn eufy dude you hear it you
know exactly what it is you hear the battle music you know exactly what it is
you know you you hear the songs from the original final fantasy seven and you know exactly what it
is yeah and i think they implement
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it really well yeah into these and you
know the certain updating them to make them not
sound yeah that's not a midi yeah it's an
actual lot of time orchestra they sound great yeah
they sound great like and i think implementing them into you playing the piano
for these things fucking hard it's fucking rough i've gotten it down a little
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little bit but i have not i did the one for tifa's theme i think yeah the one i was like,
bearish is difficult because i'm bad i was like all over the planet the music
wasn't matching up sometimes with like what you had to hit on the joysticks
i'm like what the fuck it threw me off but i'm not good at it the uh oh fuck
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i forgot i was gonna say about the The graphics? The music? Music.
I think it was about the music. Oh, just in general, how Final Fantasy's always
had, like, all of the games.
Their music has always been fucking great. Yeah. Like, yeah.
They if you always like you talk about you see lists of like best music soundtracks
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yeah there's always going to be a final fantasy and in the top five just because
it's i mean just based off the.
You know they have the icon that's all iconic you
know what that's from you know what it is like seven has yeah but seven has
the best music well and then a lot of the kind of not generic but the music
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they have like the fight themes or the you know you win a fight theme,
they've kind of all been the same since the originals they just kind of update them they're all,
relatively close to each other yeah yeah but like fight themes and yeah battle winning themes or.
But that's what's made these games great you know throughout the
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years and decades like because i mean how
many times i'm having great music every character has a
good theme you hear it like a movie
a show or whatever like the music is such
a big impactful part of it it is and the fact they have so like each like character
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has their own theme yeah each area has their own theme yeah like i compare it
to dragon quest 11 where yeah it was fucking generic dude great game,
the game was pretty fun but i remember we talked about on
podcasts years ago like you're in a desert area and it's
the same music they played in the fucking city or jungle like change it up i
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don't need some fucking like aladdin-esque music or something but give me something
different for each area it's that same song dude constantly god it got i remember
we talked about how annoying like i do remember that yeah.
Yeah like i feel like that is one thing that for
a majority of square because that's a square game
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dragon quest also but like the final fantasies
the chrono cross chrono triggers a lot
of their games their music has always been one of
the high like if you look at magazines back in the
day like game pro it's impactful like they always a game
gets reviewed and you know out of five always the music's going.
To be a five out of five there's never going to be like a one.
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Yes like you're not gonna see oh goddamn final fantasy.
9 music got a three out of five yeah they
got a five out of five you think about like movies and
shows without the soundtrack there like
it's less impactful yeah it always adds
to it it it always adds to a scene like
in goodfellas though the the soundtrack
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is fucking great and it adds to the
scenes like playing layla like during
the scene where they're finding all the dead bodies all over
the fucking city and shit like yeah it
didn't fit but it was impactful like you remember it
you're like oh okay shit yeah i remember this i don't
know why i don't know why i thought about this one because i think i saw it
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on disney i didn't watch it but in the
avengers end game like when all the people start coming
out of the portals oh yeah the music's like rising and
rising and rising and then it stops when captain america says
you know avengers assemble and then it fucking all comes back
yeah hey that shit did it perfect
you have to have great music great
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music or orchestration like yeah it'll make
the shit memorable oh yeah and i hate to be a fucking i
hate to be that person but like game of thrones had it had it down that good
music they had great fucking music in their soundtrack like when you are watching
the episode the red wedding and you hear that fucking song playing you're like
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oh shit it's like yeah i like how the the.
Leftovers did it oh the leftovers because they had one song one song but there
were different variations different variations through all of it but it's always
the same song it's always the same a piano song great song but yeah depending
on the scene it would have different variations of that song and.
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Added to the impact of the scene yeah yeah and
that's that is what music does for you
yeah like music takes a
an okay show to a great show or can
make a fucking great show with the shit music like and that's
that's one thing that's one thing final fantasy has always had like the
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music great music like oh i'm going to a desert here
comes my desert yeah the music theme like i
hear you're now after playing games like
this or you know other things a desert theme you
know it's a desert yeah like or you hear
like an ocean theme you know it's an
ocean theme and it's because of games like
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this that started it like i
hear something now and like i'm going to
a beach and i'm if i don't hear music you know
costa del sol-ish or you know jamaican or something like What I really like
with Seven is that they always did a good job of having the right music for
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the right place to feel the right emotion for what's going on.
The fight was always like, oh, this gets me pumped up.
If it's a serious scene, you have those serious themes.
Games and like if it's a romantic
scene you know it's a romantic scene because it
has that that song playing in the
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background it makes you feel a certain type of way it the music
is there to make you feel a certain type of way and it it
is successful in these games and even
in the remake rebirth this one it it
succeeds yeah i mean they had the
blueprint for success they just had to update it and
make it you know modernize it a little bit you're not
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doing a fucking 16-bit fucking midi theme
now because you're not having like the costa del
sol scene or song playing when it's
a romantic scene between tifa and eric and that's that
shit that would fucking drag quest
would do it's like they had like four songs
yeah fucking say what the fuck man the
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budget run lower yeah and and
i'm pretty sure the composer for that game fucking variation
the composer for the game is a really good composer like
a really i don't think it was the final fantasy guy i
don't know probably like this is a really easy gig they only need me
for like four songs and i think there you go the intro to
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the game started out really great like oh this fucking music's gonna be good.
And then you're like for the next first five hours like that same song is playing
oh my god just shut the fuck up for the love of god just stop it is it's yeah
yeah it's not great it's it's like watching full house,
It just gets rolling. Everywhere you look. Everywhere you look.
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The place for somebody. I mean, I feel like as where you guys are at,
that's about as in-depth as we can go on this conversation without really,
because we can't really talk like narrative or plot points because honestly.
Up until that point, not a lot of shit has happened for you guys.
That's fair. It kind of crescendos at the end a little bit with the story.
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And then we'll we'll briefly talk on it like on the
next podcast yeah you know but yeah well
honestly it could probably be its own because there's a lot to know yeah
i think the next episode should be part two
yeah part two part two we can do part two yeah chapter
fucking nine forward yeah yeah because i
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mean there's probably a lot that goes on oh i don't
god there's i don't really i don't know because i
didn't have moss call in for it also
because yeah he'd beaten it invite him and his
beard um call him up but uh yeah i
think kind of summarizing this one like the stuff
we could talk about obviously the music yeah the exploration yeah
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the characters i will say like i do
want to say the game is beautiful it is it's
so pretty it's it is there's so and there's
so much to do there's so much to do it's so
pretty it it's so visually like
pleasing pleasing yeah it's up there with uh it's beautiful like it is rewarding
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doing all that side shit more time consuming obviously yeah yeah but it is rewarding
yeah you uncover more shit sometimes you unlock a little more extra of the story
yeah but yeah it's just if If you're willing to spend that time.
Yeah. It's a beautiful game.
It is really, really visually pleasing to the eye. It is gorgeous.
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I think- When you get to Golden Saucer and you see all the fireworks,
it's just so pretty. It's so pretty in-
Yeah i i i'm loving it i love me
a good open world game though i think that the i
think you know as we get older time
we don't have as much time i think that's probably why i get to that point
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i just want to beat it like i can't really sit around
and play this game for 100 hours as much as i would
like to i got a life i got shit to do still
outside of that i can't be sitting down because i
i still played 45 hours and like two
fucking weeks it feels like and there's times like you know clem times like
hey play with me like hey sorry you know go watch fucking blue or something
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i got this video game boolean bingo yeah but coming from someone who put hundreds
of hours into like animal crossing that's because you got your hand held yeah.
Yeah it's easier yeah like i
can't i mean they have the handheld bullshit right
for it but it's like you have to be connected to a
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store some weird crap but even then i wouldn't do it
i can't sit around that long i'm willing to do
it it's it's one of those though like there's
because i don't know like last weekend i think is when i
beat it or whenever i beat it like i'm
i was sitting there for like young
me would be like congratulations old man
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he still got it you know young me when i'm sitting
in my room and like high school for like 12 hours playing fucking fawn
vansley nine or something like that but you
know as you get older it's it's harder than my it's like
my attention span has gotten worse it's like i'm gonna focus
i'm like all right i want to fucking go
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outside for five minutes or something yeah but
but this game you know the we kind of talked
about the characters the graphics exploration the gameplay it's
i think they all fucking a lot more all fucking a
plus material yeah absolutely like outside of you know some of the story shit
everything has been fucking great a the story is just a little convoluted little
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Kingdom Hearts esque where it's like what the fuck am I actually doing yeah
well I'm assuming it's gonna get around but.
It's going to tie in a little more further on with the next game.
Yeah, honestly, the last two chapters, you're just going to probably sit there
and be like, What is happening? What? Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, we already have our theories. We do. Kind of what's going on, you know? We do.
And again. You should write them down so then you can like. We'll talk about
it on the next one. I mean, we talked about it. I think. We have in other podcasts.
When we talked about the Final Fantasy remake, when we did that podcast.
Yeah. We talked about it with the. Oh, yeah. the gold
twinkly bullshit well no with like
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cloud going up against sephiroth and he's like you have seven
seconds and blah blah blah this and that eric knowing more
and then all the fucking the dementors shit you know yeah at that time and like
the i know you want to talk about it the different the different uh timelines
basically oh yeah it's just yeah yeah we'll get there yes That's, yeah, yeah.
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We'll get there. We'll get there. And then we'll have our theories.
We'll have what we know of from this one. And then we'll be wondering for another
two years before they come out with a third one. For the next podcast.
Two, three years. For the next podcast, we'll go with our theories and then
we'll talk about the game.
And then we'll go with some more theories. You know what?
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You should just fucking take like two minutes right now and just like say what your theories,
like your main like your main theories just so we can like
have it on record yeah i haven't organized it real
briefly like it always seemed to me from like the first one mainly
from the first one that eric knew more it was almost
like a different timeline eric yeah like she
knew something was going to happen she knew something was bad
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and it almost seemed like a future one like yeah
yeah it was strange not saying she doesn't
because i know like how the game goes as
the original game goes she dies not saying
she doesn't die in this one they pulled the same
with like eric but kind of how they did with a jesse wedge
and biggs kind of like you get
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to know a little bit of the character with her you got to know a little more in
the original but then she dies and you're like what the fuck how
am i supposed to get like uh her last limit break see i
remember playing that shit you're like what the fuck dude and
i remember getting it so early I'm like oh man this is great and then she like
literally like she gets her level four and like cloud is like I just barely
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got level two limit break I'm like oh this is great and then fucking and then
she's gone fucking ceiling fucking Sephiroth fucker but yeah I mean.
My whole thing is like when Claude goes up against Sephiroth and he says that
line to him. That seven second shit.
Seven seconds thing. It's like seven seconds. Like, is that like,
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did he go back in time to save Zack? Yeah.
But it almost seems like a fucking dream too. Yeah, almost.
Because it's like you see them, they're past the fuck out in this one.
Yeah. Then you have their realities going on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then when it goes to the Zach moments,
it's like, and they're just, there's clouds and whatever.
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They're just fucking leaping, knocked out. Fucking like, you guys are like, yeah, you do.
Well, you say things that are like, makes me remember things.
I'm like, oh fuck. Yeah. We need to beat it.
We'll beat it. Sometimes you figure shit out. Like that was confusing.
You know, you just talking about it. You're like, oh fuck. I think this is what they fucking mean.
Or yeah, we'll have it beat by a fucking combo. We're going to be,
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we're going to beat it this week.
Yeah yeah yeah drill this weekend
and then the weekend after that is camping
so three weeks from now yeah sometime
we'll get there we can do a mobile recording one it doesn't matter
yeah should we wrap it up yeah I think we covered everything we like the game
we know the story is a little confusing the fighting I knock it down it's hard
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because it's a little too fucking it's too much chaotic for me sometimes Sometimes
it's just like, I don't even know, to fucking just button mashing, man.
And that's exactly what like, braver, braver, braver, braver,
braver, braver. Square, square, square. Triple slash here and there. Triple slash.
Let me snipe some motherfuckers. Cure, cure. Oh, I should probably do something with these other guys.
Just like fucking Yuffie, triangle, fucking square, square, square,
(45:03):
square, square, square, triangle, square, square, square, square. Yeah. Yeah.
So that's always been a little too chaotic for me. Yeah. Great game.
But yeah, I love the game so far. It's beautiful.
It is it is it's beautiful i wish
all of our old favorite games could get the love that
this game has gotten yeah yeah a remake version alice but you know it was time
(45:23):
people have asked been asking for this shit for fucking years and years and
years like that's fair and they finally delivered even though and i think they
delivered well yeah like honestly like yeah the first fucking part i was like
this is fucking great man yeah.
Honestly like the haters they can go fuck themselves because this
(45:44):
this game is great they're gonna hate but as much as they're gonna
hate as long as there's more love than hate then who gives a fuck
about that i'm just hoping that the original came out like 97 yeah like so let's
finish this out in 27 like get a 30 year fucking yeah yeah dude like so let
me wait another three years yeah i mean they said it's gonna come out faster
than this one because they already have of everything.
(46:07):
It's like four years. Okay. So the four, three and a half.
I mean, that's how they were with this one when they were working on another
one. They were working on this part already.
So we'll see when the next one comes out. Yeah. But we still got to beat this one.
And then wait for years till the next. He has that look on his face.
Like, I can't wait till you guys beat this one.
(46:30):
Just wait. You're going to see some shit.
Honestly. Tomorrow before we go over there We're going to knock out a chapter
or two You're going to beat it And then you're going to feel how I feel You're
like I wish you would have told us Not to fucking play it anymore What's that buddy?
Alright cool man Until next time Is that the wrong song?
(46:55):
I don't even know where I'm at I thought you pressed the Shit,
I was just kidding, dude. Y'all gotta chill, man. You know what I mean?
This is a fucking outro. Yeah, it's a good game.
Obviously, I want to recommend it. Any game we've talked about on here,
I've never fucking not recommended because we're not going to talk about shit
(47:17):
games on here just because I don't have time to play shit games.
Even though sometimes I'm like, maybe we should treat shit games like shit movies
every once in a while. I'm down.
As long as they're short.
I've wanted a podcast on some fucking shitty movies I mean a lot of the movies
we've done are shitty because it's funnier it is funnier,
(47:44):
because we just rag on them so fucking much like the Twilight ones I think are
our best fucking episodes we're funny people I'm not,
I'm not I'm always serious I don't have the energy to exert playing
a shit game like watching a shit movie is easy because i can just sit there fall
guys is fun though is it
(48:04):
yeah yeah i want to play that worms rumble i
don't like that one you played it here oh yeah yeah yeah the shooting game where
you're a worm yeah yeah it's entertaining it's fucking ridiculous fall guys
is fun and it's one of those games like i can play for like 10 minutes and i'm
like all right well that was fun i'll play it again two years from now i've
been all about the stardew valley lately stardew valley and i am 90
(48:27):
% to 100 to a fucking perfection rating.
Thanks again. Phil's playing. That's the one that Moss plays all the time. Okay.
Yeah. All right, man. All right. Next podcast, 497,572. Mm-hmm. 500.
881. 65,300. We've been doing this shit for fucking 3.5 billion years. Mm-hmm. True.
(48:50):
Still around, man. True, true. We were blessed by the podcast gods.
Yes, we were. Yes. Because that's a god that exists.
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