July 2, 2024 • 28 mins
In this episode, we are joined by Thurman and Torrence Thomas, founders of Tankproof. Listen in as they share their incredible journey from the swamps of Louisiana to becoming full-time musicians and nonprofit professionals.
Discover how Tankproof is making a difference by teaching swimming lessons, providing food security, and fostering community connections in Texas, Louisiana, California, and New York. Hear about the life-changing impact of their programs and their inspiring personal stories, including a near-drowning experience that fueled their mission.
Don't miss this inspiring conversation with two dedicated and humble individuals who are changing lives one swim lesson at a time. Visit Tankproof.org for more information and to support their cause.
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Welcome to Generous Impact. This is Bret Brummitt. And this is Amanda Brummitt.
We are joined today by Thurman and Torrence Thomas, founders of Tankproof.
In this episode, you'll hear how they are saving lives through swimming lessons,
but also providing food security and community.
Thurman and Torrence, thank you so much for being here with us today.
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Thank you so much. Yeah, I would love to start out with you guys telling us
a little bit about your background.
Who are you personally and who are you professionally?
All right. So personally, we're just two guys from the backside of the swamp
in Louisiana, Geismar, Louisiana, to be specific.
And, you know, we went to, I, of course, went to primary, middle and high school,
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just like everybody else.
And I graduated from Southern University in Baton Rouge and cross the road to
LSU as well. And you know we I mean got into music early on early on when I
say about 17 or 18 which you know people usually ask us well how do the two
connect with each other and,
The two meaning our music career and with Tankproof. And I say that I really
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couldn't have one without the other because if I didn't play music,
I wouldn't have had an opportunity to do something and, you know,
have our minds lean towards creating Tankproof.
So we'll get into that story in a bit. But yeah, so personally,
I mean, that's who we are.
Yes, we are twin brothers and we are blessed to be able to, you know,
live, grow up and just work together. You know what I mean?
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Professionally, we are full-time musicians and artists. We go up under the moniker TheBrosFresh.
We're currently based in Austin,
Texas, and I guess willing to be exported anywhere in the world right now.
So, you know, we get out and we play around a lot.
And Austin has been a great new hub for us for the last two and a half, so years. Yeah.
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And in addition to that, we had no idea, you know, 13 years ago that we'd be
nonprofit professionals simultaneously.
So I feel like we wear two hats and we've found over the last 13 years ways
that we could switch them, you know, in an instant. And we'll get into that more in a few as well.
But definitely proud of the work that we've done and glad to be,
you know, in this particular space in life. Yeah. And Bret,
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do you want to tell our listeners how you know Tankproof?
I mean, I can tell them I know TheBrosFresh because I've had the luxury of seeing
you guys, some of your shows, but Bret introduced me to Tankproof.
Well, he introduced me to both. Yeah.
And it was, well, actually our mutual friend, Jason introduced me to these guys
and for Tankproof started working a little bit on the insurance side.
Really, you know, just, I think our first meeting way back when,
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and just really enjoyed talking to you guys and getting to know you and learning
about the story more and digging in and finding out more and more and going,
really, they do this, they do that. These guys are awesome. Awesome.
Oh, man. Thank you so much. We appreciate you.
It's something that I tell people like it ain't nothing we plan to do.
It's just kind of that we we ended up in this space and how we feel.
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If these certain opportunities land in your lap, it's up to your job and up
to you to be able to steward them and grow them.
Yeah. Well, perfect segue, because I want to get into the story back from the extremely personal,
you know, near drowning experience in childhood to learning about how you guys
realized you wanted to focus your adult energy into this around that all the
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way between what age 10 and age 21.
You know what? What went on in your minds in that decade?
Well, you know, I think from a good question, too. Yeah, that's a really good
question. I think I'm having that near drowning experience.
So it allows, you know, me and both of us collectively to empathize with a lot
of the kids that we get to serve, you know, with our organization,
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Tank Proof. Like, I know how it feels to be deathly afraid of the water.
I remember what that feels like, what sensations go through your body,
what crazy thoughts go through your mind.
And so, you know, fast forward, I guess, 21, when we started the organization,
you know, it was just kind of something that, okay, yeah, I got swimming lessons.
And honestly, from there, it made me more comfortable. It made me more confident in the water.
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And it really wasn't something that I really thought about too much.
I just knew my own limits and my limitations and what I was going to do and
what I wasn't going to do.
And how we started the organization, it was really the catalyst of that was I think in 2010.
They had a crazy, just tragic accident in our home state of Louisiana where
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six family members, They were like all cousins, related some kind of way,
and they drowned, each one going in after the other, trying to save the other.
And, you know, from that moment, we decided, look, we got to do something.
Let's use what we have at the time, which was, you know, a little bit of a following
locally in Baton Rouge and New Orleans area that, you know, we knew we had the
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gift of getting people's energies collected towards and directed towards a specific aim.
Aim and for us that aim was hey how can
we help to pay for kids swimming lessons we want to help to pay for these
kids swimming lessons we don't know how to do
it but hey yeah we play music how about we sell band merch and that is the genesis
of how tank proof began so way back when it was you guys were paying for other
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people's swimming lessons than just selling the merch getting the other merch
out and getting it going yes that's that's the way we do it first first two
years that is the way that we did it.
We would pretty much buy the swimming lesson slots from these swim schools and
then coordinate with daycares or other community groups and programs to be able
to get these kids in these slots.
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It's fantastic. I love that that breaks every stereotype of what 21-year-old guys are doing.
They're making music and selling merchandise to put kids in swim lessons. That's incredible.
So let's jump forward and get into the details of what Tankproof does.
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I understand that you teach minority and under-resourced kids to swim,
but you also provide them with food security and even community connection in
Texas, Louisiana, California, and New York.
So can you walk us through how you accomplish all of that?
Well, I'll say, look, great team, you know, it's kind of like a step-by-step kind of thing.
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You know what I mean? How do we do it? How do we do it?
You know, we just have to sit back and, you know, just with hearts full of gratitude
and just really have to go back to the amazing communities that we're just blessed
to be a part of, not just in our home state of Louisiana, but here in Austin as well.
I think the first thing that we noticed with coming here to Austin is like how
awesome the community is and how that sense of togetherness.
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It's like people, whenever they come here, they move here, they know the script
and we all, all right, we all stick to the script. Okay. This is what we do when we're here.
And so service is a part of that. So having Having the support that we've had
here in Austin, like you said, weekly, we do these food-focused activations
where we partner with Keep Austin Fed.
It's another organization in town, and they have really good relationships with grocers.
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And so the Trader Joe's and Seaholm, which is like downtown Austin,
we have an arrangement with them where we pick up.
Organic produce and some things that are soon to be expired every single week.
And then we go to two communities in East Austin.
One is Booker T. Washington Apartments and the other one is Santa Rita Courts.
And there's nothing like consistency.
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I mean, doing something once. We've been doing food-focused activations in Austin since 2020.
So the consistency, I will say, is to me, that's That's what the special thing is about it, for sure.
Yeah. And I tell people, you know, in all the cities that we're in,
we're able to accomplish it by being able to be a community-focused organization.
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They say, well, you know, what do you guys do? We teach swimming lessons,
yes, but we focus on building community.
And through the amazing team that we build and staff, to the people that we
have on the grounds in the cities, the volunteer instructors,
the people that are helping us on deck, every person who has put their hand
to the plow allows us to do what we do.
And we really empower the people that work with us and the community to help
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us to execute these lessons.
It's super cool how each of your activations is almost done at a micro level
within the community and that the community is really involved in them.
And on a side note, Bret and I lived in Seaholm for three years.
That's still our Trader Joe's and that makes my heart really happy to know they're
giving back to Tankproof.
They're awesome, they're cool. So you guys have a big reach with a really focused effort.
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Effort how many kids do you estimate that you've
helped avoid becoming that statistic of drowning
yeah between i mean since 2011 we're at
right around like a little over 5 000 kids and so
you know that's a lot of kids one and then two it's it's really hard for me
just in my mind to just see 5 000 faces like really being impacted by the work
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that tank proof has been able to do really giving a life skill,
making communities safer and selling confidence, breaking generational cycles.
Like the list goes on and we're just proud to be a part of it.
Yeah. I mean, 5,000, like you mentioned, that's hard to see.
Of those, are there any stories or moments that really jump out to you as like,
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this is why we do this all the time, but just stick with you?
Yes. I mean, there's one particular one that happened, I believe it was two summers ago.
Two, three summers ago. Two, three summers ago. And it's so simple what the
kids said, but it goes all to the power of of what Tankproof was able to do
for these kids and the power of, you know, personal belief in what they're doing.
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This kid, you know, he was having a lot of, it seemed like he was visibly under
stress. He was having trouble in the lessons.
It was one of the last days, but wrapping up lessons. And, you know,
I see him and I'm like, okay, look, this kid isn't figuring this out.
What's going on? So I'll go have a conversation with him.
And, you know, he kind of gets down on himself. He starts crying.
He goes, sits on the side.
Right. And so, you know, we don't like to force him to get in here,
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let him figure that out. Cause we know at some point, yeah, we're going to have
to get you back in the pool.
So time's up. He starts crying.
And so I walk over to him and I'm like, okay, like, well, what's wrong?
What's really bothering you? He's like, well, you know, I just needed,
I felt like I needed more time to practice it. Right.
And so I was like, oh, well, we got like 10 more minutes to do this.
You know what we had to do.
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Right. And so I think it was the skill to where he had to freestyle out to a
particular location in the the pool,
you know, turn around or be able to flip on his back whenever he,
you know, sensing he's getting tired, breathe a little bit, turn back on his face and keep swimming.
And I just having so much trouble with the technique and gave him that extra
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time to be able to practice it. And those tears turn into joy.
And he said something that I will never forget. Right. And so I asked him a
question. I said, you know, who did that?
And, you know, it's very simple, but he said, you know, I did that. It's like, wow.
I said, well, who did that? He said, I did that. It's like the light bulb went
off his head. It's like, look, this is what these lessons are for.
If you can do this, you can do anything.
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You can do math. You can do social studies. You can do science.
If you could teach your mind and your body how to do something completely foreign
in five days, school shouldn't be an issue.
But it was that moment of achievement and knowing that, hey,
look, I did that, that personal sense of accomplishment. That's what I think
is one of the biggest thing that this lesson unlocks for our kids is the confidence
that they can carry over into the classroom and to other areas of their lives.
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Yeah, that's super fantastic. Just thinking about that. And of the kids,
I mean, specifically the ones in the Austin area, do you see the kids that are
in the lessons back during the food activations or the food activation kids?
Oh, my God. Yeah, that's the best part. Yeah, that's the cool thing,
because we see these kids all the time. I saw one of them at the grocery store two days ago.
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Hey, what's up, man? About to have some lessons. All right, cool. See you soon.
That's one thing I love about how small Austin feels.
And the same kids that we get to serve every week are the same kids that we
get to serve with the swimming lessons.
So it completes the loop for sure. Nice.
That's fantastic. And it is. You're right. The city, it has its own community
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no matter where you're at in it. It's the small town in every segment.
Oh, yeah. 100%. Okay, and then I'm going to make a jump here.
But if you've helped 5,000 kids since 2011, I have to think that then there's
a ripple effect that those 5,000 kids have taught a sibling or a friend to swim. So maybe...
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Oh, yeah. The ripple effect is crazy because we're talking about the total impact
of all the families that we touch, you know, because I feel like once one kid
learns, he's going to pass it down to his brothers and sisters.
It's going to make them want to be able to pick up the skill as well.
And then at that point, we talk about generations as the ripple begins to extend
wider. That's a great point. Oh, yeah.
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But that's what I'm most excited about. It's like we knew that a program like
this is going to take decades to be able to build and develop,
to be able to see what the true ripple effects are.
And when we do see them, we will know that, oh, wow, this is where it began.
But we know this is going to take some time. We're not in this for an overnight flip of a switch.
I'm telling you that. I love how community focused it is, too.
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And I know we've talked a lot about the program here in Austin.
What about the program in Louisiana? Yeah. I mean, that, that is the,
uh, that's the OG right there. That's the original.
I mean, it's, it's, it's kind of the same flow with the weekly,
weekly support that, that gets to go through the organization.
But also with the swimming lessons.
I think the Louisiana lessons are our biggest lessons because where we're from,
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like I said, the town that we're from is Geismar and that's closer to another
small city called Gonzales, Louisiana, and there's no swim school in Gonzales, Louisiana.
It's a it's a budding city there's there's
you know they got like a tango outlet and you know stuff
like that i guess it's kind of like the size of like a san marcos yeah something
like that but there's no swim schools so you know you have all of these kids
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like for example we can only teach uh 200 it's like there's like what's like
250 we can only teach like 200 maybe like between
200 and 250 this summer, but the wait list is literally 300 extra past that.
So, you know, the, the demand is definitely there and we have a lot of support
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from the city as well, a lot of civic support.
So it allows us to do, you know, larger lessons and it's, I love it because,
you know, we get to employ a bunch of kids, give them paying well,
give them something to do for like, you know, a couple of weeks.
And then, you know, the nothing like that feel good good feeling of seeing a
kid who's deathly afraid of the water for the first day and then the last day
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just hopping in and can't get them out. That is incredible.
Well, in addition to Tank Proof, you guys talked a little bit about your music
career. And as I understand, you also run a creative agency.
So impressed that you guys are doing all of these different things and you're doing it well.
How do you manage it? What advice would you give to other business owners, nonprofit leaders?
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Yeah. I mean, the best thing that I would tell people is to know yourself and
surround yourself with very competent and talented people.
That's the biggest thing. But also you got to understand is that you got to
lead the train, if that makes sense.
This is your thing. You can't lead from behind.
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That's one of the things that I always can't lead from behind.
So you're going to have to surround yourself with great people,
take some of the stuff off of your plate that, you know, you understand that
you're not the best at and focus on what you're good at.
And so, but that's the best thing that I can tell people.
Like we have teams of individuals from on the tank crew side and the music side
and, you know, in between, especially on the agency side that help us to execute
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these ideas that, you know, at any time we've got to be able to produce.
Like, for example, and they all kind of blend into each other.
Like, we're working on an activation now for Tank Proof again to activate at
Austin City Limits Music Festival.
We're working on a low-key mini music festival in Austin for what Tankproof
was producing in August, on August 10th.
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So there's so many, you know, things that are going on that will require everyone
and all hands on deck from all the internal teams that we work with to be able to,
you know, execute these ideas and produce these concepts and events and swim
lessons to shows, whatever we're trying to do, you know.
When do you have those moments when you get to look back and go,
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I led this, I gave the vision, we did it, but it came together with everyone else and not so much us.
Oh, we love that. Oh, man. Gosh. Yeah. All the time, man.
I mean, it's like, you know, we're kind of in the present forward thinking kind
of individuals. You know, I'll say that.
So, you know, once something is over with, I really don't think about it too much.
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But one thing I will say is that to have Swimming Lesson be done and produced
by our team that has chosen us, we've chosen them.
And just to see it come together, I mean, it's really such a humbling feeling.
Music is great. and, you know, like, like say, for example, like our profile,
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it's starting to get weird in, in, in town, you know, Amanda,
it's like, you know, I'll go to, I go to the grocery store, I'll go somewhere.
Hey, hey, are you one of the bros for, are you one of the bros for,
you know what I mean? Like stuff like that, when I'm just trying to chill or
just, just hang out or something like that.
But, you know, one thing that always, the ultimate grounding is the weekly things
that we get to do in the community.
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Like there's nothing, I feel like I do music and I want to make,
you know a splash pun intended in music
in the music industry to shine a bigger light on things that really
actually matter that actually change people's lives you know
i said music wasn't such a great vehicle to
get ideas and to captivate people's attention we'd probably be doing something
else yeah i mean so you know it it it's it's it's humbling and we just take
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it day to day and you know while at the same time just trying to plan and plan
plan as effectively as we possibly We're not the best planners.
We didn't learn that skill. So we're learning it now as adults.
And so it's something that I love.
I love the value of it every day of having a good plan and having the people
around you invested and engaged to be able to execute.
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Well, and I think we forgot early on, you guys have also modeled for Nike?
Yeah. Is that just a local? Yeah, we've done some things for Nike,
like the modeling end of things, as well as being able to make some content
for them on the agency side.
And, you know, I don't know how we just wound up doing stuff like that.
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You know, I think it was just, I guess, seeing that the idea was possible and
then just going to Portland and just making friends and, you know,
trying to pop into the right place and taking a whole bunch of bum trips where nothing came from it.
But just keep going and, you know, building the network and showing people what we could do.
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And, you know, finally the opportunity started to align.
And yeah, so. Yeah, we feel like it's taken a while to build all the things
that we're doing. And because, I mean, it's step by step, none of none of the
opportunities have just popped up overnight and been like, oh,
wow, it was an overnight success.
And maybe in a few years. So, I mean, we've been playing music for 15 years
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now. Yeah. Fifteen years.
And I've been doing been doing Tank Group 13 years.
It's, you know, agency work kind of somewhere in between over a decade for sure.
And it's, it's, like I said, it's taken time, but it's something that,
you know, once we started, we committed to know that, Hey, look,
this is what we want to do.
It's only a matter of time. That makes sense. Yeah. Well, and I feel like everything
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you do, you're so forward focused and pushing the Louisiana roots and honoring
that heritage and everything.
I mean, how, how has that informed your mission of keeping that?
I mean, I am assuming it is because I see it, but has that informed your mission
of keeping that heritage through everything you do and adopting it to other areas?
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Yeah. It is a part of something that I think as Louisianans,
and a cool thing, it's kind of like as Texans too, because we moved to such
a place that loves their identity. But Louisiana, we're talking specific Louisiana.
I feel like when we grow up there, we're almost encouraged to be able to spread our culture.
We're taught that, yeah, our culture is specific.
Our culture is unique. There's no one like us.
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So wherever you go, makes you wave that banner. And it's one that is also,
it has to be a culture that's very inviting to people as well.
So again, to answer your question, we do love to have that thread of our culture,
which is our Louisiana culture and everything that we do from,
even with Tank Proof, how we serve Louisiana food and we do our food activations
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at ACL, you know what I mean?
We might have a couple of alligators on our merch, you know what I mean?
But everything speaks and it It is a thread that we're looking to keep as a
piece of our journey as we continue to move forward. Because it's always going to be home, man.
And as you said, as somebody that grew up in East Texas, everybody I ever met
from Louisiana, I liked. I've yet to meet anybody from Louisiana that wasn't nice.
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I've heard that so many times. Yeah, most people are really nice.
Never met any crazy people. Oh, yeah. For sure crazy, but nice crazy.
Kind of crazy you want to be around. Exactly. Well, you guys have so much going on.
What's next for Tank Proof? Well, I'll say what's next for Tank Proof.
We have a really fun, I call it a mini festival and activation in Austin on August 10th.
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We have a really cool mini festival and activation where we're bringing,
of course, ourselves and some other high-profile Louisiana artists.
And we're going to have a bros fresh and friends kind of situation.
And we're going to sell some tickets, raise some money, get some people out
there and just have a really great time to benefit Tank.
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And I've got some awesome people on the bill. You guys familiar with Duran Jones
from Duran Jones Communications?
Okay. Look him up. Amazing. We're super excited about. But yeah,
a couple of Louisiana acts that will be playing alongside with us.
Again, like you said, another way that we like to weave in our culture as well.
And we know that it's going to be an amazing night. If you guys are free,
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we'd love to have y'all out. Yeah, I'm putting it on our calendar as we speak. Yeah.
And then as an organization, beyond that, do you have other expansion areas
or just keep replicating?
So, yes, we do plan to continue to expand. Most likely it's going to be in 2025.
At this moment, we are pretty much doubling. This year, our focus and strategy
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was to double down in the cities that we're in.
We wanted to go deeper instead of go wide this city.
Can we have more lessons? sense can we have more activations to
be able to engage and create stronger bonds in the communities that we're in
and that was our focus but 2025 we definitely have our sights and have been
getting calls oh my gosh non-stop oh a lot of emails a lot of phone calls to
bring the organization to a lot of new cities throughout the country oh yeah
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and even internationally as well wink wink whoa hey.
Yeah. Yeah. You heard it here first.
Yeah. We've been talking to some dear friends of ours based in London.
I don't know if you're familiar with Soulcap is the company that's based in
London, but we've been having a great relationship with them the last three years almost.
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And we've been toying with the idea, hey, look, what does it look like to bring
Tank Proof to the UK to be able to bring these same awesome opportunities and services?
Because the funny thing is and the sad thing is the stats are worse there than
they are in the United States. By the way. Yes.
Yes. Yes. Yes. So what we know is that Tankproof is trending up.
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There's a huge need for what we're doing, and we're going to continue to be
able to provide these services to the communities that need it most.
That's super amazing. All right. So that's, you know, your stories,
what you do, super inspiring.
Like, where do you guys draw or what other organizations do you draw inspiration from?
Oh, man. We, I mean, because we're marketing guys, we lean and glean a lot from
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organizations that know how
to do that really well, which is not that many of them that do it well.
So it's like, you know, I got a short list, but Charity Waters,
another good one that we like to watch.
What's another really good org that does? does. Oh, Stoked is a good one as
well. They do like extreme sports for kids, kind of similar to what we do.
I like a lot of the pet organizations and nonprofits too, as well,
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because they do really good with social media.
I mean, I don't know. We're just students at the game in all aspects.
And if it has a good storytelling aspect to it, if the branding is clean, if it speaks,
then something's going to be impactful or it's going to get our attention to
be able to want to say okay what's what's making this brand tick so but there
are a few organizations that we know we love to support that are even in this
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the same space of us as us like black people will swim,
guys another one that i'm forgetting no uh no more under really good organization as well,
so there are a lot of great non-profits out there doing great work awesome we'll
check all of this out well before Bret wraps this up i want to thank you guys
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for one thing i know a lot of our listeners know you guys.
They see you on magazine covers. They see you doing stuff with organizations like Nike.
And I just want to say thank you for one, caring enough to still be thinking
about local people in Austin and Louisiana that need to learn how to swim and two,
for making the time to come on our podcast that doesn't have a bajillion listeners,
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but you guys still gave it the time and effort that you would for a magazine cover.
So thank you for that before Bret wraps this up.
No, thank y'all so much. But before y'all wrap it up, we want to extend our
gratitude. Thank y'all for the opportunity.
We don't take anything for granted. We don't take anything lightly because y'all
could be anywhere else y'all wanted to today, but y'all chose to ask us to do
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this. So we're appreciative. Thank you.
That's awesome. Well, the wrap up is what can our community do for Tankproof?
Well, first, you can go to www.tankproof.org and find ways to support on there.
We love for people to donate. We love for people to give because that helps
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us to keep the good going.
Two, if you are in Austin, every week you have an opportunity to get your hands in community.
We are at, you ain't got to sign up. You ain't got to come holler at us and
shoot us a message or anything, you can meet us at Trader Joe's and see home.
It's downtown Austin every Saturday, rain or shine, around 10,
15 a.m. at the loading dock.
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And then we'll load our vehicles up and we'll go from there.
It takes about maybe like an hour, 15 minutes to fully do the activation.
And it's fun. I will say it's fun. We've got a great community of people that
come out consistently to serve.
And we want to invite more people to come out and do the same.
Feel those good vibes on a Saturday morning.
I've always wondered what time you guys started.
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I pass Trader Joe's about 6.50 or actually about 6 a.m. every Saturday morning.
But now that I know that it's at 10, when I circle back, I will, I can participate.
Yeah, yes, sir. Around 10, 15, we're there.
That's when they usually kind of have the stuff out there ready for us,
10, 15, between 10 and 10, 10.30 usually.
And yeah, we just get load up, load up our vehicles and we just get on out of there.
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Well, we will make sure that I do that and I'll make sure our community does
that and also follow the Tankproof.org site.
So thank you guys again so much for taking the time and for what you do day to day here in our world.
Thank you guys so much for your time and we hope your Monday or whatever day
people are listening to this. I hope your day is amazing.
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Have a great What a fun conversation with Thurman and Torrence Thomas.
Their passion for community and humble approach to really everything,
including being rock stars, is truly inspiring.
Wherever you are, be sure to check out their organization at Tankproof.org.
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And if you happen to be here in the Austin area, I look forward to seeing you
on a Saturday morning at the Trader Joe's at Seaholm or at the upcoming event
supporting Tankproof on August 10th.
Music.
Welcome to Generous Impact. This is Bret Brummitt. And this is Amanda Brummitt.
We are joined today by Thurman and Torrence Thomas, founders of Tankproof.
In this episode, you'll hear how they are saving lives through swimming lessons,
but also providing food security and community.
Thurman and Torrence, thank you so much for being here with us today.
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Thank you so much. Yeah, I would love to start out with you guys telling us
a little bit about your background.
Who are you personally and who are you professionally?
All right. So personally, we're just two guys from the backside of the swamp
in Louisiana, Geismar, Louisiana, to be specific.
And, you know, we went to, I, of course, went to primary, middle and high school,
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just like everybody else.
And I graduated from Southern University in Baton Rouge and cross the road to
LSU as well. And you know we I mean got into music early on early on when I
say about 17 or 18 which you know people usually ask us well how do the two
connect with each other and,
The two meaning our music career and with Tankproof. And I say that I really
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couldn't have one without the other because if I didn't play music,
I wouldn't have had an opportunity to do something and, you know,
have our minds lean towards creating Tankproof.
So we'll get into that story in a bit. But yeah, so personally,
I mean, that's who we are.
Yes, we are twin brothers and we are blessed to be able to, you know,
live, grow up and just work together. You know what I mean?
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Professionally, we are full-time musicians and artists. We go up under the moniker TheBrosFresh.
We're currently based in Austin,
Texas, and I guess willing to be exported anywhere in the world right now.
So, you know, we get out and we play around a lot.
And Austin has been a great new hub for us for the last two and a half, so years. Yeah.
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And in addition to that, we had no idea, you know, 13 years ago that we'd be
nonprofit professionals simultaneously.
So I feel like we wear two hats and we've found over the last 13 years ways
that we could switch them, you know, in an instant. And we'll get into that more in a few as well.
But definitely proud of the work that we've done and glad to be,
you know, in this particular space in life. Yeah. And Bret,
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do you want to tell our listeners how you know Tankproof?
I mean, I can tell them I know TheBrosFresh because I've had the luxury of seeing
you guys, some of your shows, but Bret introduced me to Tankproof.
Well, he introduced me to both. Yeah.
And it was, well, actually our mutual friend, Jason introduced me to these guys
and for Tankproof started working a little bit on the insurance side.
Really, you know, just, I think our first meeting way back when,
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and just really enjoyed talking to you guys and getting to know you and learning
about the story more and digging in and finding out more and more and going,
really, they do this, they do that. These guys are awesome. Awesome.
Oh, man. Thank you so much. We appreciate you.
It's something that I tell people like it ain't nothing we plan to do.
It's just kind of that we we ended up in this space and how we feel.
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If these certain opportunities land in your lap, it's up to your job and up
to you to be able to steward them and grow them.
Yeah. Well, perfect segue, because I want to get into the story back from the extremely personal,
you know, near drowning experience in childhood to learning about how you guys
realized you wanted to focus your adult energy into this around that all the
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way between what age 10 and age 21.
You know what? What went on in your minds in that decade?
Well, you know, I think from a good question, too. Yeah, that's a really good
question. I think I'm having that near drowning experience.
So it allows, you know, me and both of us collectively to empathize with a lot
of the kids that we get to serve, you know, with our organization,
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Tank Proof. Like, I know how it feels to be deathly afraid of the water.
I remember what that feels like, what sensations go through your body,
what crazy thoughts go through your mind.
And so, you know, fast forward, I guess, 21, when we started the organization,
you know, it was just kind of something that, okay, yeah, I got swimming lessons.
And honestly, from there, it made me more comfortable. It made me more confident in the water.
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And it really wasn't something that I really thought about too much.
I just knew my own limits and my limitations and what I was going to do and
what I wasn't going to do.
And how we started the organization, it was really the catalyst of that was I think in 2010.
They had a crazy, just tragic accident in our home state of Louisiana where
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six family members, They were like all cousins, related some kind of way,
and they drowned, each one going in after the other, trying to save the other.
And, you know, from that moment, we decided, look, we got to do something.
Let's use what we have at the time, which was, you know, a little bit of a following
locally in Baton Rouge and New Orleans area that, you know, we knew we had the
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gift of getting people's energies collected towards and directed towards a specific aim.
Aim and for us that aim was hey how can
we help to pay for kids swimming lessons we want to help to pay for these
kids swimming lessons we don't know how to do
it but hey yeah we play music how about we sell band merch and that is the genesis
of how tank proof began so way back when it was you guys were paying for other
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people's swimming lessons than just selling the merch getting the other merch
out and getting it going yes that's that's the way we do it first first two
years that is the way that we did it.
We would pretty much buy the swimming lesson slots from these swim schools and
then coordinate with daycares or other community groups and programs to be able
to get these kids in these slots.
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It's fantastic. I love that that breaks every stereotype of what 21-year-old guys are doing.
They're making music and selling merchandise to put kids in swim lessons. That's incredible.
So let's jump forward and get into the details of what Tankproof does.
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I understand that you teach minority and under-resourced kids to swim,
but you also provide them with food security and even community connection in
Texas, Louisiana, California, and New York.
So can you walk us through how you accomplish all of that?
Well, I'll say, look, great team, you know, it's kind of like a step-by-step kind of thing.
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You know what I mean? How do we do it? How do we do it?
You know, we just have to sit back and, you know, just with hearts full of gratitude
and just really have to go back to the amazing communities that we're just blessed
to be a part of, not just in our home state of Louisiana, but here in Austin as well.
I think the first thing that we noticed with coming here to Austin is like how
awesome the community is and how that sense of togetherness.
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It's like people, whenever they come here, they move here, they know the script
and we all, all right, we all stick to the script. Okay. This is what we do when we're here.
And so service is a part of that. So having Having the support that we've had
here in Austin, like you said, weekly, we do these food-focused activations
where we partner with Keep Austin Fed.
It's another organization in town, and they have really good relationships with grocers.
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And so the Trader Joe's and Seaholm, which is like downtown Austin,
we have an arrangement with them where we pick up.
Organic produce and some things that are soon to be expired every single week.
And then we go to two communities in East Austin.
One is Booker T. Washington Apartments and the other one is Santa Rita Courts.
And there's nothing like consistency.
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I mean, doing something once. We've been doing food-focused activations in Austin since 2020.
So the consistency, I will say, is to me, that's That's what the special thing is about it, for sure.
Yeah. And I tell people, you know, in all the cities that we're in,
we're able to accomplish it by being able to be a community-focused organization.
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They say, well, you know, what do you guys do? We teach swimming lessons,
yes, but we focus on building community.
And through the amazing team that we build and staff, to the people that we
have on the grounds in the cities, the volunteer instructors,
the people that are helping us on deck, every person who has put their hand
to the plow allows us to do what we do.
And we really empower the people that work with us and the community to help
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us to execute these lessons.
It's super cool how each of your activations is almost done at a micro level
within the community and that the community is really involved in them.
And on a side note, Bret and I lived in Seaholm for three years.
That's still our Trader Joe's and that makes my heart really happy to know they're
giving back to Tankproof.
They're awesome, they're cool. So you guys have a big reach with a really focused effort.
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Effort how many kids do you estimate that you've
helped avoid becoming that statistic of drowning
yeah between i mean since 2011 we're at
right around like a little over 5 000 kids and so
you know that's a lot of kids one and then two it's it's really hard for me
just in my mind to just see 5 000 faces like really being impacted by the work
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that tank proof has been able to do really giving a life skill,
making communities safer and selling confidence, breaking generational cycles.
Like the list goes on and we're just proud to be a part of it.
Yeah. I mean, 5,000, like you mentioned, that's hard to see.
Of those, are there any stories or moments that really jump out to you as like,
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this is why we do this all the time, but just stick with you?
Yes. I mean, there's one particular one that happened, I believe it was two summers ago.
Two, three summers ago. Two, three summers ago. And it's so simple what the
kids said, but it goes all to the power of of what Tankproof was able to do
for these kids and the power of, you know, personal belief in what they're doing.
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This kid, you know, he was having a lot of, it seemed like he was visibly under
stress. He was having trouble in the lessons.
It was one of the last days, but wrapping up lessons. And, you know,
I see him and I'm like, okay, look, this kid isn't figuring this out.
What's going on? So I'll go have a conversation with him.
And, you know, he kind of gets down on himself. He starts crying.
He goes, sits on the side.
Right. And so, you know, we don't like to force him to get in here,
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let him figure that out. Cause we know at some point, yeah, we're going to have
to get you back in the pool.
So time's up. He starts crying.
And so I walk over to him and I'm like, okay, like, well, what's wrong?
What's really bothering you? He's like, well, you know, I just needed,
I felt like I needed more time to practice it. Right.
And so I was like, oh, well, we got like 10 more minutes to do this.
You know what we had to do.
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Right. And so I think it was the skill to where he had to freestyle out to a
particular location in the the pool,
you know, turn around or be able to flip on his back whenever he,
you know, sensing he's getting tired, breathe a little bit, turn back on his face and keep swimming.
And I just having so much trouble with the technique and gave him that extra
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time to be able to practice it. And those tears turn into joy.
And he said something that I will never forget. Right. And so I asked him a
question. I said, you know, who did that?
And, you know, it's very simple, but he said, you know, I did that. It's like, wow.
I said, well, who did that? He said, I did that. It's like the light bulb went
off his head. It's like, look, this is what these lessons are for.
If you can do this, you can do anything.
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You can do math. You can do social studies. You can do science.
If you could teach your mind and your body how to do something completely foreign
in five days, school shouldn't be an issue.
But it was that moment of achievement and knowing that, hey,
look, I did that, that personal sense of accomplishment. That's what I think
is one of the biggest thing that this lesson unlocks for our kids is the confidence
that they can carry over into the classroom and to other areas of their lives.
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Yeah, that's super fantastic. Just thinking about that. And of the kids,
I mean, specifically the ones in the Austin area, do you see the kids that are
in the lessons back during the food activations or the food activation kids?
Oh, my God. Yeah, that's the best part. Yeah, that's the cool thing,
because we see these kids all the time. I saw one of them at the grocery store two days ago.
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Hey, what's up, man? About to have some lessons. All right, cool. See you soon.
That's one thing I love about how small Austin feels.
And the same kids that we get to serve every week are the same kids that we
get to serve with the swimming lessons.
So it completes the loop for sure. Nice.
That's fantastic. And it is. You're right. The city, it has its own community
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no matter where you're at in it. It's the small town in every segment.
Oh, yeah. 100%. Okay, and then I'm going to make a jump here.
But if you've helped 5,000 kids since 2011, I have to think that then there's
a ripple effect that those 5,000 kids have taught a sibling or a friend to swim. So maybe...
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Oh, yeah. The ripple effect is crazy because we're talking about the total impact
of all the families that we touch, you know, because I feel like once one kid
learns, he's going to pass it down to his brothers and sisters.
It's going to make them want to be able to pick up the skill as well.
And then at that point, we talk about generations as the ripple begins to extend
wider. That's a great point. Oh, yeah.
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But that's what I'm most excited about. It's like we knew that a program like
this is going to take decades to be able to build and develop,
to be able to see what the true ripple effects are.
And when we do see them, we will know that, oh, wow, this is where it began.
But we know this is going to take some time. We're not in this for an overnight flip of a switch.
I'm telling you that. I love how community focused it is, too.
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And I know we've talked a lot about the program here in Austin.
What about the program in Louisiana? Yeah. I mean, that, that is the,
uh, that's the OG right there. That's the original.
I mean, it's, it's, it's kind of the same flow with the weekly,
weekly support that, that gets to go through the organization.
But also with the swimming lessons.
I think the Louisiana lessons are our biggest lessons because where we're from,
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like I said, the town that we're from is Geismar and that's closer to another
small city called Gonzales, Louisiana, and there's no swim school in Gonzales, Louisiana.
It's a it's a budding city there's there's
you know they got like a tango outlet and you know stuff
like that i guess it's kind of like the size of like a san marcos yeah something
like that but there's no swim schools so you know you have all of these kids
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like for example we can only teach uh 200 it's like there's like what's like
250 we can only teach like 200 maybe like between
200 and 250 this summer, but the wait list is literally 300 extra past that.
So, you know, the, the demand is definitely there and we have a lot of support
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from the city as well, a lot of civic support.
So it allows us to do, you know, larger lessons and it's, I love it because,
you know, we get to employ a bunch of kids, give them paying well,
give them something to do for like, you know, a couple of weeks.
And then, you know, the nothing like that feel good good feeling of seeing a
kid who's deathly afraid of the water for the first day and then the last day
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just hopping in and can't get them out. That is incredible.
Well, in addition to Tank Proof, you guys talked a little bit about your music
career. And as I understand, you also run a creative agency.
So impressed that you guys are doing all of these different things and you're doing it well.
How do you manage it? What advice would you give to other business owners, nonprofit leaders?
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Yeah. I mean, the best thing that I would tell people is to know yourself and
surround yourself with very competent and talented people.
That's the biggest thing. But also you got to understand is that you got to
lead the train, if that makes sense.
This is your thing. You can't lead from behind.
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That's one of the things that I always can't lead from behind.
So you're going to have to surround yourself with great people,
take some of the stuff off of your plate that, you know, you understand that
you're not the best at and focus on what you're good at.
And so, but that's the best thing that I can tell people.
Like we have teams of individuals from on the tank crew side and the music side
and, you know, in between, especially on the agency side that help us to execute
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these ideas that, you know, at any time we've got to be able to produce.
Like, for example, and they all kind of blend into each other.
Like, we're working on an activation now for Tank Proof again to activate at
Austin City Limits Music Festival.
We're working on a low-key mini music festival in Austin for what Tankproof
was producing in August, on August 10th.
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So there's so many, you know, things that are going on that will require everyone
and all hands on deck from all the internal teams that we work with to be able to,
you know, execute these ideas and produce these concepts and events and swim
lessons to shows, whatever we're trying to do, you know.
When do you have those moments when you get to look back and go,
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I led this, I gave the vision, we did it, but it came together with everyone else and not so much us.
Oh, we love that. Oh, man. Gosh. Yeah. All the time, man.
I mean, it's like, you know, we're kind of in the present forward thinking kind
of individuals. You know, I'll say that.
So, you know, once something is over with, I really don't think about it too much.
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But one thing I will say is that to have Swimming Lesson be done and produced
by our team that has chosen us, we've chosen them.
And just to see it come together, I mean, it's really such a humbling feeling.
Music is great. and, you know, like, like say, for example, like our profile,
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it's starting to get weird in, in, in town, you know, Amanda,
it's like, you know, I'll go to, I go to the grocery store, I'll go somewhere.
Hey, hey, are you one of the bros for, are you one of the bros for,
you know what I mean? Like stuff like that, when I'm just trying to chill or
just, just hang out or something like that.
But, you know, one thing that always, the ultimate grounding is the weekly things
that we get to do in the community.
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Like there's nothing, I feel like I do music and I want to make,
you know a splash pun intended in music
in the music industry to shine a bigger light on things that really
actually matter that actually change people's lives you know
i said music wasn't such a great vehicle to
get ideas and to captivate people's attention we'd probably be doing something
else yeah i mean so you know it it it's it's it's humbling and we just take
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it day to day and you know while at the same time just trying to plan and plan
plan as effectively as we possibly We're not the best planners.
We didn't learn that skill. So we're learning it now as adults.
And so it's something that I love.
I love the value of it every day of having a good plan and having the people
around you invested and engaged to be able to execute.
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Well, and I think we forgot early on, you guys have also modeled for Nike?
Yeah. Is that just a local? Yeah, we've done some things for Nike,
like the modeling end of things, as well as being able to make some content
for them on the agency side.
And, you know, I don't know how we just wound up doing stuff like that.
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You know, I think it was just, I guess, seeing that the idea was possible and
then just going to Portland and just making friends and, you know,
trying to pop into the right place and taking a whole bunch of bum trips where nothing came from it.
But just keep going and, you know, building the network and showing people what we could do.
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And, you know, finally the opportunity started to align.
And yeah, so. Yeah, we feel like it's taken a while to build all the things
that we're doing. And because, I mean, it's step by step, none of none of the
opportunities have just popped up overnight and been like, oh,
wow, it was an overnight success.
And maybe in a few years. So, I mean, we've been playing music for 15 years
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now. Yeah. Fifteen years.
And I've been doing been doing Tank Group 13 years.
It's, you know, agency work kind of somewhere in between over a decade for sure.
And it's, it's, like I said, it's taken time, but it's something that,
you know, once we started, we committed to know that, Hey, look,
this is what we want to do.
It's only a matter of time. That makes sense. Yeah. Well, and I feel like everything
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you do, you're so forward focused and pushing the Louisiana roots and honoring
that heritage and everything.
I mean, how, how has that informed your mission of keeping that?
I mean, I am assuming it is because I see it, but has that informed your mission
of keeping that heritage through everything you do and adopting it to other areas?
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Yeah. It is a part of something that I think as Louisianans,
and a cool thing, it's kind of like as Texans too, because we moved to such
a place that loves their identity. But Louisiana, we're talking specific Louisiana.
I feel like when we grow up there, we're almost encouraged to be able to spread our culture.
We're taught that, yeah, our culture is specific.
Our culture is unique. There's no one like us.
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So wherever you go, makes you wave that banner. And it's one that is also,
it has to be a culture that's very inviting to people as well.
So again, to answer your question, we do love to have that thread of our culture,
which is our Louisiana culture and everything that we do from,
even with Tank Proof, how we serve Louisiana food and we do our food activations
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at ACL, you know what I mean?
We might have a couple of alligators on our merch, you know what I mean?
But everything speaks and it It is a thread that we're looking to keep as a
piece of our journey as we continue to move forward. Because it's always going to be home, man.
And as you said, as somebody that grew up in East Texas, everybody I ever met
from Louisiana, I liked. I've yet to meet anybody from Louisiana that wasn't nice.
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I've heard that so many times. Yeah, most people are really nice.
Never met any crazy people. Oh, yeah. For sure crazy, but nice crazy.
Kind of crazy you want to be around. Exactly. Well, you guys have so much going on.
What's next for Tank Proof? Well, I'll say what's next for Tank Proof.
We have a really fun, I call it a mini festival and activation in Austin on August 10th.
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We have a really cool mini festival and activation where we're bringing,
of course, ourselves and some other high-profile Louisiana artists.
And we're going to have a bros fresh and friends kind of situation.
And we're going to sell some tickets, raise some money, get some people out
there and just have a really great time to benefit Tank.
(22:26):
And I've got some awesome people on the bill. You guys familiar with Duran Jones
from Duran Jones Communications?
Okay. Look him up. Amazing. We're super excited about. But yeah,
a couple of Louisiana acts that will be playing alongside with us.
Again, like you said, another way that we like to weave in our culture as well.
And we know that it's going to be an amazing night. If you guys are free,
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we'd love to have y'all out. Yeah, I'm putting it on our calendar as we speak. Yeah.
And then as an organization, beyond that, do you have other expansion areas
or just keep replicating?
So, yes, we do plan to continue to expand. Most likely it's going to be in 2025.
At this moment, we are pretty much doubling. This year, our focus and strategy
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was to double down in the cities that we're in.
We wanted to go deeper instead of go wide this city.
Can we have more lessons? sense can we have more activations to
be able to engage and create stronger bonds in the communities that we're in
and that was our focus but 2025 we definitely have our sights and have been
getting calls oh my gosh non-stop oh a lot of emails a lot of phone calls to
bring the organization to a lot of new cities throughout the country oh yeah
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and even internationally as well wink wink whoa hey.
Yeah. Yeah. You heard it here first.
Yeah. We've been talking to some dear friends of ours based in London.
I don't know if you're familiar with Soulcap is the company that's based in
London, but we've been having a great relationship with them the last three years almost.
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And we've been toying with the idea, hey, look, what does it look like to bring
Tank Proof to the UK to be able to bring these same awesome opportunities and services?
Because the funny thing is and the sad thing is the stats are worse there than
they are in the United States. By the way. Yes.
Yes. Yes. Yes. So what we know is that Tankproof is trending up.
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There's a huge need for what we're doing, and we're going to continue to be
able to provide these services to the communities that need it most.
That's super amazing. All right. So that's, you know, your stories,
what you do, super inspiring.
Like, where do you guys draw or what other organizations do you draw inspiration from?
Oh, man. We, I mean, because we're marketing guys, we lean and glean a lot from
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organizations that know how
to do that really well, which is not that many of them that do it well.
So it's like, you know, I got a short list, but Charity Waters,
another good one that we like to watch.
What's another really good org that does? does. Oh, Stoked is a good one as
well. They do like extreme sports for kids, kind of similar to what we do.
I like a lot of the pet organizations and nonprofits too, as well,
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because they do really good with social media.
I mean, I don't know. We're just students at the game in all aspects.
And if it has a good storytelling aspect to it, if the branding is clean, if it speaks,
then something's going to be impactful or it's going to get our attention to
be able to want to say okay what's what's making this brand tick so but there
are a few organizations that we know we love to support that are even in this
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the same space of us as us like black people will swim,
guys another one that i'm forgetting no uh no more under really good organization as well,
so there are a lot of great non-profits out there doing great work awesome we'll
check all of this out well before Bret wraps this up i want to thank you guys
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for one thing i know a lot of our listeners know you guys.
They see you on magazine covers. They see you doing stuff with organizations like Nike.
And I just want to say thank you for one, caring enough to still be thinking
about local people in Austin and Louisiana that need to learn how to swim and two,
for making the time to come on our podcast that doesn't have a bajillion listeners,
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but you guys still gave it the time and effort that you would for a magazine cover.
So thank you for that before Bret wraps this up.
No, thank y'all so much. But before y'all wrap it up, we want to extend our
gratitude. Thank y'all for the opportunity.
We don't take anything for granted. We don't take anything lightly because y'all
could be anywhere else y'all wanted to today, but y'all chose to ask us to do
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this. So we're appreciative. Thank you.
That's awesome. Well, the wrap up is what can our community do for Tankproof?
Well, first, you can go to www.tankproof.org and find ways to support on there.
We love for people to donate. We love for people to give because that helps
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us to keep the good going.
Two, if you are in Austin, every week you have an opportunity to get your hands in community.
We are at, you ain't got to sign up. You ain't got to come holler at us and
shoot us a message or anything, you can meet us at Trader Joe's and see home.
It's downtown Austin every Saturday, rain or shine, around 10,
15 a.m. at the loading dock.
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And then we'll load our vehicles up and we'll go from there.
It takes about maybe like an hour, 15 minutes to fully do the activation.
And it's fun. I will say it's fun. We've got a great community of people that
come out consistently to serve.
And we want to invite more people to come out and do the same.
Feel those good vibes on a Saturday morning.
I've always wondered what time you guys started.
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I pass Trader Joe's about 6.50 or actually about 6 a.m. every Saturday morning.
But now that I know that it's at 10, when I circle back, I will, I can participate.
Yeah, yes, sir. Around 10, 15, we're there.
That's when they usually kind of have the stuff out there ready for us,
10, 15, between 10 and 10, 10.30 usually.
And yeah, we just get load up, load up our vehicles and we just get on out of there.
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Well, we will make sure that I do that and I'll make sure our community does
that and also follow the Tankproof.org site.
So thank you guys again so much for taking the time and for what you do day to day here in our world.
Thank you guys so much for your time and we hope your Monday or whatever day
people are listening to this. I hope your day is amazing.
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Have a great What a fun conversation with Thurman and Torrence Thomas.
Their passion for community and humble approach to really everything,
including being rock stars, is truly inspiring.
Wherever you are, be sure to check out their organization at Tankproof.org.
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And if you happen to be here in the Austin area, I look forward to seeing you
on a Saturday morning at the Trader Joe's at Seaholm or at the upcoming event
supporting Tankproof on August 10th.
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