Jaws Ep. 01 - Jaws / Tintorera - Get Me Another

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In February of 1974, writer Peter Benchley published his first novel.
Inspired by a news story about a fisherman catching a 4,000 pound shark off the coast ofLong Island ten years earlier, it spun a yarn of a beach community terrorized by a

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monstrous, man-eating Great White.
While Benchley considered various titles such as The Stillness in the Water and LeviathanRising,
he eventually settled on one word, Jaws.
Producers Richard Zanuck and David Brown read an advanced copy of the book and purchasedthe film rights for the sum of $150,000.

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To helm the film, they turned to a 26-year-old director named Steven Spielberg, who hadbeen under contract with Universal Television and had just completed his first feature for
the producers.
The film adaptation shone on Martha's Vineyard over seven long months.
would explode in theaters when it was released in June of 1975, becoming the highestgrossing movie ever made and embedding itself indelibly into our collective consciousness.

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And of course, it inspired a wave of similar films in which human beings were menaced notonly by sharks, but by almost every other variety of sea, land, and air creature
imaginable, all hoping to capture just some.
the magic and terror of this now classic movie.

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This is Get Me Another Jaws.
creature alive today, has survived millions of years of evolution.

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A mindless eating machine.
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Best-selling novel, Jaws.
Rated PG.
Maybe too intense for younger children.
Hello and welcome to our brand new Get Me Another series exploring the films that followedin the wake of Steven Spielberg's Jaws.

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My name is Chris Ayanakone and with me are my co-hosts Rob Lemorgis.
Actually, I'd rather record a podcast that walks in a bikini along the beach.
You're already jumping to the second movie with your reference.
You're damn straight.
And Justin Beam.
That's some bad hat, Harry.

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For those new to our show, what we do is we look at a watershed film, one with asignificant impact on cinema and popular culture, and we examine the films that came in
its wake and tried in one way or another to replicate its success.
And honestly, few films have had a bigger impact on cinema than Jaws.

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My goodness, um I'm so excited.
This has been on the list from the beginning, from before the beginning.
It's Jaws.
This movie was, uh, I think rather successful.
It did okay.
It did all right.
You know?
Yeah.
Um, it's one of those themes, uh, musically speaking.
yeah.

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What is this quite possibly this and like the shower scene violins that Herman did.
I think these might be the, musical cues that are most used in other movies.
sure.
That are quite specifically from a singular film.
Absolutely.
And then everybody, all you need is those two notes and everybody knows it's amazing.

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The only thing that I would say might also be in that realm would be the theme fromHalloween.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
Because I hear that all the time, like working in a music store, people monkeying aroundon pianos.
You'd always hear, dude.
or you'd hear those are the two things that everyone walked up and tried their hand at.

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those, those are like the top that and, and, and, and those two and, and psycho.
mean, they're like the top, the top three of all time.
And it's amazing when you think of all of the movie music.
my God.
And this was the birth of the summer blockbuster since this movie's release, Hollywood hasnever turned back in terms of where they're putting stuff on the schedule and big tent

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pole type
things happening during the summer.
that continues to this day.
For me, I've been obsessed with this movie since I was little.
It was one of the first color scary movies that I ever saw.
And I was immediately absolutely horrified and it completely colored my perception of allwater from that point forward.

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And to this day, I got like now they're finally merchandising the thing over the last like10 years here and I have a great
shark toy from, think, reaction from maybe five years ago or something.
have a NECA Quint figure.
Yes.
So cool.
I have uh even the Nargisset.
I think that's how it's pronounced beer.

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They've gotten on board with this because that's a real beer company that Quint drinksduring it.
And they have a like a squeeze, like a stress ball type thing.
But it's the can.
It's the can.
And and they call it Crush It Like Quint.
That's amazing.
That's like five bucks and it sits on my shelf and it looks exactly like it should.
I've never seen that beer in stores here in the Midwest.

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It's a local Rhode Island based company.
There you go.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, I mean, like everything related to this has become iconic.
It is.
The shark speech that Quint gives, which we'll get into later.
I mean, just everything about it.
uh it is such, I mean, it's something, it's one of those movies.
I'm a very seasonal viewer.

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Sure.
So I like to watch wintery stuff when there's snow and I wait until there's snow to watchsnowy movies.
But Jaws is one that I watch year round.
It's an absolute comfort food movie for me and in regular rotation and has been for mostof my life.
I never tire of it.
I'm always blown away by it.

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And there aren't many movies like that.
I mean, I think maybe The Shining is the only other one that I can point to.
Sure.
Any time.
It's the right time.
No, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Love it.
It's never a bad time for Jaws.
And you're right.
You mentioned this.
was going to I had this in mind.
This this is the beginning of the summer movie season.

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And people don't remember that.
Like the summer used to be the slow season for movies.
Maybe like you put out some stuff for kids who are out of school.
But Christmas was the peak season.
And Jaws followed by Star Wars two years later changed all of
Yeah.
And you think of, uh I know Godfather was different time of year, Godfather, and then afew years later you get Jaws, a few years later you get Star Wars.

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And that's hitting that trifecta of the kind of A-listification of traditionally B-moviegenres and stories.
Yeah.
yeah.
Which this is the midpoint of between them all.
uh yeah, it's interesting that
the seventies, all those, those, directors, you know, it was the new Hollywood.

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They thought I meant one thing, but it wound up meaning something completely different.
It became the actual new Hollywood.
It's the new system.
remember Roger Corman once talking to me about this because we were on, I picked him up todrive him to doing commentary for Piranha.
And when we were doing a 4k release of that and I picked him up at his.

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at his office and as we were driving, we were talking about a whole bunch of stuff.
But one of the things that he brought up was when he saw Jaws, he's like, they're makingmy movies now.
he was, they're borrowing from me where he had been kind of borrowing from the studios inhis early days.
But then the things that these indie studios started to do started bleeding into themainstream and Jaws was a

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huge example of that because this really is an exploitation film in a lot of ways.
Absolutely.
he was like, I was shocked when I saw it.
I loved it.
I was absolutely shocked because I'm like, this is absolute.
This is a movie that I would make and would never have the budget for.
also beyond, will, you point to the music, you guys, that the influences has hadculturally.

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I don't know that it's matched by any film in terms of perception of
sharks and the ocean and we now, mean, shark week has become a summer ritual on discoveryand for sure this made people afraid to go in the water.
It really did.
And it continues to, and it's amazing how it influenced our perception of species too,because then the great white since this movie has been the king of all sharks, kind of

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like the T-Rex after Jurassic park for sure.
even more so that, that, that this started a thing that
if anything, is not even done crescendoing yet with all of these low budget, like asylumfilms, things like that, that continue to pour out that are these bad CGI films with

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sharks in all walks of life.
I own a few.
have Santa Jaws.
Amazing.
Which has to be seen to be believed.
It's a shark with a candy cane horn, like a unicorn head on its forehead, unicorn.
thing.
mean, candy cane thing and like a narwhal almost.

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And it also has a Santa hat on its fin.
The whole film is attacking people.
have one called Ghost Shark, which is another sci-fi original where the sharks can live inany water.
So you have a kid on a slip and slide.
He makes his way down to the end and the ghost shark emerges from the end of it.

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Like in the pool?
No, on a slip and slide in his yard.
Like literally like a slip and slide in the backyard.
my goodness.
Because with a ghost body, can fit in the small amount of, oh, that's a hundred percent.
Yeah.
And Richard mall is in that.
Nice.
The crazy guy in the cave, like that old Brady bunch episode about the voodoo thing.

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Anyway, there.
It is such a wild universe of shark films that continue to come out and you really can'tgo wrong even when you're watching the really terrible ones because you know they're going
to be terrible.
They six headed shark attack and all the rest of these things.
mean, the list goes on and on and I am so delighted that we're diving into this series youguys because there's I've never looked forward to a series more than this.

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Well, this has been on the list from before the beginning.
And we are so excited.
It's just, just, it's, oh, it's, I'm actually nervous because I'm a little, I'm so excitedabout it.
I should also mention that at the very beginning, there are so many films, as Justin issaying, that in order to keep this series a reasonable length, for the very first time, we

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are actively planning a second volume.
of Get Me Another Jaws sometime down the road.
So if your favorite animal running a muck film isn't here, don't worry.
This is not the end for Get Me Another Jaws.
It just, it couldn't be contained to one series.
That's the thing too, is that the movies that we've chosen for this, I think are going tobe so much fun for listeners because yes, of course we're starting off with this big

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blockbuster, but nothing else that we're going to talk about was.
And we're going to get into some real fringe stuff.
Yes.
Including some international entries that a lot of people probably haven't even heard of,but are going to want to track down after we dive into it.
And I think our lineup is stellar.
Oh, I got to be honest, I'm just so excited about it.

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But first, we have to talk about the film that started it all.
And producers Richard Zanuck and David Brown, they had separately read Peter Benchley'snovel before it was published.
And they were both eager to make the film without giving much thought, to be honest.
about how they would make the film.
And it's funny because Brown is quoted as saying, had we read it twice, we never wouldhave made Jaws because anybody with a modicum of production knowledge would know there is

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no way to get a shark to leap onto the stern of a small boat and swallow a man.
How were we going to do this?
We never thought about it.
We just love the book.
Yeah.
And, you know, I want to...
Puncture one myth or take a stance on Bruce the shark.

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Named after Steven Spielberg's a lawyer.
Yeah, because they were, you know, obviously all of those problems got solved by hiring.
He happened to be young at the time, but one of the best director technicians in moderncinema history, right?
Right.
There is the myth often talked about that Bruce, think the true part is that Bruce didmalfunction at times, right?

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That definitely happened.
However, mean, even Spielberg talks about this a little bit in the thing, you know, withthe opening scene as we're to get to that he didn't want to show the shark as much because
it was scarier.
There's this myth that somehow Bruce malfunctioning saved this film and made it better.
At least that's how some people talk about it at times.
And I'm like, are you kidding?

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I would have loved to have seen first of all, untrue, because you see a ton of shark atthe end of this movie and it looks very good still to this day.
Right.
And.
It's Spielberg, man.
He had ET in a whole movie and it didn't throw me.
However much shark could have been in this movie, it would have been fine.
Well, let's talk about the shark for a little bit because, you know, well, I think you're,don't 100 % agree because I do think that the malfunction on the shark did force them to

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do other things.
Like you don't see it early on.
A lot of times there are proxies for the shark, like the barrels in the final act, as wellas like the dock.
a little earlier on.
And here's the thing.
The shark was designed by production designer Joe Alves and was built by Bob Matty, whohad actually created the giant squid for Walt Disney's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea 20

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years earlier.
I think what happened is the movie was rushed into production ahead of a potential ScreenActors Guild strike in June of 1974.
So they got into production at the beginning of May 74.
with an eye towards ending by the end of June, because they thought there was going to bethis strike, which didn't happen.

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But as a consequence, because they rushed it into production, there wasn't really enoughtime given to perfecting the shark before filming started.
And production executive William Gilmore is quoted as saying, if we had given Bob Mattyweeks it took to work out the bugs from the shark, it would have worked on cue.

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So it's, it's, there is something to it didn't quite work and that pushed them in otherdirections.
But I mean, when you, when you do finally see it, holy shit, is it incredible?
Like it's, but the fact that that doesn't come until like, you know, more than an hourinto the movie, I think that is, you know, I think that's not nothing.

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no, not at all.
But I do wonder Spielberg, he was, you know, maybe he was, uh
You know, I'm not sure, but in that one interview from 95 or whatever, at the very leastin the beginning, he said he didn't want to show it.
For sure.
of malfunction.
I don't think they were ever going to show it in that opening scene.
For sure.
And he said, you know, he was talking about his 1971 movie, Duel, which is kind of a lotof ways a precursor to Jaws.

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And he said the unseen is always more frightening than what you throw in the audienceface, which is why he doesn't show the truck driver in Duel.
And I think it applies to the shark in Jaws as well.
Yeah, until it doesn't at the end.
Until it doesn't at the end.
And the other thing about this movie is that the other way the shark affected the movie isbecause it made the filming of the sequences on the orca, which is basically the second

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half of the movie, it made that take a lot longer, as well as just filming on the water.
And that actually allowed a lot of improvisation with the script that might not havehappened if they had just been ready, if the shark had been ready to go on day one, if the
water had cooperated in the way they, the way that they wanted it to, if that had shot onschedule, it never would have been the movie that it was.

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That it ended up, you know, they intended to wrap after like two months, they ended upwrapping after like seven months.
And as a consequence,
I think the movie changed in that time and in that development process, it becomes one ofthe greatest movies ever made.

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this movie is magic.
It is just pure magic.
I can't imagine movies without jaws.
It is so essential.
It is so
part of the tapestry of cinema that I can't imagine a world without it.

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And it wouldn't have been the same.
No, I mean, for all the shark talk, and I don't think this is necessarily a controversialopinion, even if uh some other folks don't share, but the most riveting scene in this
movie is three guys talking around a table.
There's no question.
There's no question that it's true.
No, it's amazing.
So a number of people did contribute to the script over time.

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Peter Benchley did three drafts based on the book, and he made changes from his book.
He removed the subplot about the affair between Hooper and Ellen Brody.
Howard Sackler, who wrote both the play and the film, The Great White Hope, came in anddid an uncredited rewrite on the film and shaped it further.
At one point, Spielberg himself wrote a draft.

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It's funny, in Spielberg's version, Quint is introduced in a movie theater
watching the 1956 version of Moby Dick with Gregory Peck and laughing at the film to sucha degree he drove the other moviegoers away.
And they didn't end up going with this scene because they couldn't get the rights to JohnHuston's film.

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Yeah, I think he said what Peck had the rights at the time and he just thought it wasn'this best work.
he didn't like his own performance, which is just fascinating.
And then finally Spielberg
brought in a friend of his, Carl Gottlieb, who was primarily a comedy writer.
And he also plays the role of Meadows, the editor of the local paper on Amity.

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And he basically rewrote the entire script over the course of production.
Jaws stars Roy Scheider as Amity police chief Martin Brody, Robert Shaw as shark hunterQuint, and Richard Dreyfuss as oceanographer Matt Hooper.
Obviously other actors were considered for these roles.
Robert Duvall was considered for Brody.
Lee Marvin and Sterling Hayden for Quint, and John Voight and Jeff Bridges for Hooperamong others.

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But here's the thing, I can't imagine this film with anybody else.
These three guys are perfectly cast and the film absolutely rests on them and they,they're amazing.
They are incredible and perfect.
Like it's this trio of guys, because it's really a three person drama when you get out onthe water.

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you know, three persons in a shark, I guess.
you know, it's, are just, they are perfectly balanced, both in terms of the characters andthe actors portraying them.
think Robert Shaw is, this is one of cinema's all time great performances with a very boldperiod at the end of that sentence.
He is remarkable in this.

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And you talk about that initial idea for how to introduce him.
I think he's
They transitioned from that perfectly.
my goodness, we first meet him in another icon.
mean, like everything's iconic in this by this point.
It is.
It's a movie, and this is the rare movie that everybody agrees on.
Yeah.
I haven't ever heard a dissenting opinion about this film.

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It's just one that everyone universally acknowledges is magic, like you said.
But so much of it has to do, I think, with Shaw in it because he, every scene, he...
is magnetic.
Oh, absolutely.
Every he seems so real in this role and like he's really lived in it.

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And now we've spent our lives knowing him as this.
And it's impossible when I bump into him in other films, it's almost uncomfortable.
Yeah.
Because no, no, no, no.
Get back over there.
Get back to Amity because you don't need to be in this movie.
It's weird to see him in other roles just because he so solidly owns this.
And that's a special thing.

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Especially when he looks kind of similar.
It's one thing with from Russia with love where he looks almost totally different.
Like he's so much younger, he's blonde.
I'm like, oh, it just feels like a totally different thing.
But like, if you watch, there was a movie that came after this called The Deep, whichwe're not necessarily going to fit into this series, but it was basically the adaptation

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of Peter Benchley's second novel.
And it also stars Robert Shaw.
And it feels kind of odd.
It's like, oh, this.
It's not quint, but you have a lot of the trappings.
So we open with this first person shot underwater.
We're moving underwater and that classic music from John Williams, which we talked aboutand is just maybe one of the three most recognizable pieces of movie music of all time.

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guys, in some ways, this is a slasher movie.
Like this is Michael Myers underwater with the first person shot of the shark, he's thekiller and we get the first person view.
Yeah, and we'll get our Dr.
Loomis thing too ah as we come up later on where you have almost those two tracks in thismovie, at least until the midpoint where we will keep cutting to our slasher attacking

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people.
but then we will also have our humans trying to respond and, you know, the disbelief insome, you know, refusing to believe it.
A lot of those beats and tropes are here, obviously playing much differently, but yeah, itis interesting.
then cut to the kids on the beach and they're hanging out by the bonfire to the kids.

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They're kind of making eyes at one another and they head off together.
And it occurred to me, and it never occurred to me before, but watching it this time, I'mlike,
it's the opening scene of the original Friday the 13th.
Two kids go off and you know, it plays out slightly differently, but they're, you know,then the killer is out there.
And the girl, Chrissy, she takes off her clothes, she jumps in the water and the guydoesn't get that far and you know, to his, he's lucky he passes out on the beach.

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And then we have this scene.
She's out on the water.
And of course, you know, the sharks coming for her and, and
mean, it's one of the greatest opening scenes in movie history.
She's out there on the water, she's naked, which translates to vulnerable.
And then she's out there in the water and you get that first little pull and she goes downjust a little bit.

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And then there's a pause and then a bigger pull.
And then this whole sequence where she's moving back and forth and her movements are sounnatural, it is absolutely terrifying.
And of course, we never even get a glimpse of the shark.
Like we know it's a shark because we know it's jaws, but like, imagine watching this movieopening day and having no idea what it was about.

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I mean, it was a bestselling novel, but imagine having no idea what it was about.
You'd like, this is, it's, you know, really terrifying.
Two things I noticed this time that I just didn't remember were when you start on thebeach, you're getting the, two, you know, young people in close-ups.
You can very much see their face.
Once they go on the move,

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It's uh very much uh kind of like in shadow as they're on the beach going.
It's almost, you just see the outline of their bodies really.
They're a shadow moving across, which is great because it's almost perfectly dehumanizingas they're going, as she's going to become just food.
Right.
And then the other kind of, I love my visual metaphors.
uh The guy who just met her, who, you know, passes out, but he is literally asleep on thebeach and

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neither he hears nor sees the danger to her.
Right?
It's just a perfect metaphor for how this town is going to react.
Right?
Yeah.
It's just right there all in the beginning.
Yeah.
No, I, that is, I never thought of that before.
Like that, that the guy is basically a metaphor for the island.
I'm like, that's, that's fantastic.

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That's fantastic.
We then cut to Amity Island Police Chief Martin Brody.
Brody, recently retired from the New York City Police Department, has moved there with hiswife and two sons.
And I mean, you think about it, this must have seemed like a dream job compared to being acop in New York in the 70s.
And of course, Roy Scheider had been in the French Connection where he played uh PopeyeDoyle's partner.

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And I just think to myself,
It's Cloudy Russo in Paradise.
We have this like a great scene of what something I've mentioned before on the show,Spielberg domestic chaos, the scenes of home life that have this chaotic flavor to them
and as such feel very, very, very real.

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And this feels mild compared to some of the later iterations of this.
But like it's it's great.
And you know, the bit about, you know.
the car and the yard is like, how do you sound?
I sound like a, it sounds like a New Yorker.
Like it's all like they, they, it's so economical in establishing these people and theirrelationship to the place they are living in.

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Yeah.
And just what one thing when his phone rings in the house, when you've had all the familybliss going on, um, uh, you know, he, the first thing is there's two phones.
There's a phone that's up in frame, but he, which he grabs and that's the wrong phone.
grabs the phone that's out of frame.
So now you know,
It's very subtle.
He doesn't say, that's my work line because I can't have the family line tied up becauseI'm the chief of police.

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But then also he's in focus frame right.
And he's very large close to camera while he's on the phone getting the report and hisfamily, the wife and son are kind of in soft focus in the background, which is not
unusual.
You you sometimes go shallow focus, but it hadn't really occurred until this point.
And just again, a nice little

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on the visual metaphor of he's being drawn away from the family into this other crisis.
Right.
Right.
Even though his son has just come in with his hand bleeding, which is the first blood wesee in the movie, because there's no blood in the opening sequence with Chrissy in the
water.
Just a little foreshadowing of that this problem is not just going to affect the island.

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It will eventually threaten his family very directly.
Again, I love these little moments of domesticity where he goes out, he's got the coffeecup, he's got to go, he's got the coffee cup.
And, uh, and Ellen yelling, I want my cup back.
you know, he's still got it in the car.
He's like, you know, she's like, be careful, will you?
And his answer in this town, like, again, they must have coming out of New York city,moving to Amity, it must've just seemed like, you know, this was, this was the dream job.

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So Brody goes to the beach.
He's talking to the guy who passed out the night before.
And one of the deputies finds Chrissy's remains and he starts blowing the whistle.
And the whistle is it feel like it's, it's, it's piercing this, this beautifulenvironment.
feels like a cry of anguish and the look on the guy's face.

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It's just like, you don't need to see what's there to know something is really wrong.
And we'll, get a more classic Spielberg reaction shot, but this is kind of an earlyversion, uh, you know, in the movie of that.
where, you know, seeing someone's face tells you all you need to know.
Exactly.
And, you know, with this looking like a shark attack, Brody decides to close the beaches.

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One of my favorite details is that they don't even have beaches closed signs.
They have to make them because they've never done that before.
It's antithetical to the town's very, like, identity.
And of course, Brody's efforts to keep the public safe are undermined by the mayor as wellas the other business owners in the city.

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They're coming up on the 4th July and that's the busiest weekend of the year for thissummer resort town and they'll lose money if the beaches are closed.
I want to point out the mayor also has a financial stake because he's also a realtor.
You see the Vaughn Realty on the side of his car.
So presumably some of that may involve rental income for him.
And it's just...

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It's this whole scene where he first of all, you have the scene of him walking throughAmity, the town.
And again, this was all shot on Martha's Vineyard.
And it's it's still like that.
Like that's kind of just still what that area looks like.
And it's fantastic.
Yeah.
I mean, the location is great.
And this this is one area as it comes up throughout the first half of the movie where andI'm not not to get into and legislate what happened in reality.

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but this is something that feels very different to me post COVID where in a way that whenI was a kid, I naively had a thought, oh, well there's danger and everyone should know it.
It's dumb that they're not closing the town.
It feels unbelievable to me when I was younger.
It feels very believable now.
Yeah.
It's just like, yes, we will not all agree on what is a danger and what an appropriateresponse is, feels very real uh again.

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And yeah.
Yeah.
So it's, it's, I, know, my reality is caught up to this movie, I suppose.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
think that the setting too, the, the town where they were filming this, everybody was apart of it in some way or another.
Yeah.
I have this great book that I was given years ago.
It's called like Jaws, Tales from Martha's Vineyard or something like that.

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It's a huge like coffee table book full of amazing photos.
The, the people who put it together.
Spared no expense and they also went to every local person who even had like a Polaroidfrom the production of the film.
this book is all the stories from its production and all these amazing photos that don'tappear anywhere else.

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I just think it feels so real and authentic because it was because they were really usinglocals as extras throughout the whole thing.
And there were many scenes with a lot of people in them.
So it's not a movie that.
had to bring in a bunch of extras.
It's not trained extras, it's people who look like they live there because they do livethere.
Right, the faces feel real.

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Yeah, yeah, and there's something so organic about that that helps solidify why this worksbecause of that fact that it was this town embracing this film and helping out any way
they could.
mean, the stories behind locals lending a hand are so many that it's impossible to recounteven a few of them because

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everybody's hands are all over this film during its production.
Just amazing.
Yeah, yeah.
They only built one location for the movie and that was Quint's house.
They built Quint's house and here's, this is funny.
This is a, my parents, this was before I was born.
My parents went on vacation to Martha's Vineyard.

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They shot this movie in the summer of 74.
The movie came out in the summer of 75.
My parents went on vacation to Martha's Vineyard in the summer of 1975 after the movie hadcome out and Quinn's house was still there.
They hadn't taken it down yet.
is now, it has now been taken down and they walked by it.
You couldn't go in, but they walked by it.

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And I, at some point have got to go through my parents' pictures from the seventiesbecause everything is on slides in my dad's basement.
And
I, there's no way my dad did not walk by Quinn's house and take a photograph.
He's gotta have pictures of it.
That is so cool.
Yeah.
That's a, that's when, when I get home, my get back to New Jersey and have some time, I amgoing to, I'm going to break out the slide projector.

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have the carousel, uh, as named by Don Draper and mad men.
It's not, it's not the wheel.
It's the carousel and, uh and I'm going to, I'm going to break out some slides and findthat, that picture.
Cause it's got to be there.
And I think that the orca.
was just left there, if I remember correctly, that it sat there for years and people werepulling pieces off of it and saving it.

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there may even be still to this day, like a chunk of it or a portion of it left there onthe beach, which I think is just wild that they just abandoned this thing there after the
whole bit.
But it really became a focus of pilgrimage for fans of the film to go there and shoot allthese different locations, shoot the barge, shoot.

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because it was all so real that it was just there.
wasn't going to go away outside of what they brought in, like the Oroka Freaks.
Yeah, they had to take down the Quint house after a time, but like everything else wasjust there.
Yeah, including the barge that we have this great conversation where Brody getsessentially who Brody who is afraid of the water.

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Like he's got a thing about water and he is out on this like one car.
ferry where the mayor and the other town leaders kind of corner him, pressuring him tokeep the beaches open.
You're gonna shut down the beaches on your own authority?

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specific ordinance or resolution by a board of selectors.

(35:50):
That's not what you told me over the phone.
I was wrong.
to amend our reports.

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This is great.
It's a shorter scene, but you do actually see how difficult it is for Brody to have thatdiffering opinion when all of the other town leaders are of a different mind and they're
saying that he can't unilaterally close the beach anyway.
He needs the council and the mayor, presumably.

(36:51):
They have to issue the closure.
So you see him get worn down even though he clearly still has reservations.
Absolutely, and he's physically cornered during all of this and it's just such a great,what a great place to stage this scene.
So the beaches stay open, you have a sequence where Brody is sitting on the beach with hisfamily watching people in the water and looking out for anything strange and this whole

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sequence which is going to culminate in uh the death of Alex Kittner, the Kittner kid.
I mean, this stuff is pure Hitchcock right here.
It's also pure split diopter catnip for me because absolutely.
It's when that idiot is prattling on to Brody about something dumb while he's trying towatch for sharks.

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And you, get the great thing where you, know, someone passes in front of Brody's visionand now you've like jump cut in closer and closer to who he's watching out in the ocean.
It's a great little sequence.
yeah, absolutely.
You have these, these white.
by cuts where like people walk by and you push in a little closer and the person walkingby disguises the cut.

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So it just feels like you're moving in closer and closer to Brody sitting as he's watchingthe water and the people in the water.
you also get these, you get fake outs, you get red herrings or where like there's thewoman in the water and you see something coming up.
And it's, it's Harry, it's Harry with his, his bathing cap oh who will come up and, uh,you know, talk to Brody and, know, that's some bad hat, Harry.

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But then you also see a young boy, Alex Kittner on his raft going out in the water andhe's wearing, I want to point out, he is the, he's wearing a red bathing suit.
He's the only one wearing a red bathing suit because Spielberg avoids the color red forthe most part, except for blood and things associated.
blood and then you have that underwater shot and the music and you don't get a good lookat what happens.

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It's so incredibly well done.
You see splashing, you see the raft overturn, you might get an outline of something andthen blood and then that incredible dolly zoom shot of Brody.
my goodness.
So then there's panic, people scrambling out of the water and then we left.

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We're left with Alex Kittner's mom calling out his name.
And it's just like, and the torn up raft washes ashore.
is, this is an incredible sequence and it works as effectively today as it did when itplayed in movie theaters in June of 75.
Yeah.
But the timing in this of when she starts calling out for her boy who, you know, was justeaten, uh, unbeknownst to her, the timing of it is, is just even makes it twist the knife

(39:46):
even more because
You kind of had everyone panic and they've come out and you kind of get a little bit ofmini reunions where everyone feels like, uh we're safe.
Right.
And then she comes in calling out and it's just heartbreaking.
Yeah, it's, uh, it is, it is an incredible sequence.
I want to mention Jaws was edited by Verna Fields, who taught film editing at USC in thelate sixties and then became one of the most prominent editors during Hollywood's new

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wave, cutting movies like
What's Up, Doc?, Paper Moon, and American Graffiti, as well as Spielberg's first feature,Sugarland Express.
The work here.
When she won the Oscar for editing, yeah, this movie didn't win as many Oscars as itshould have.
It wasn't nominated.
Spielberg was not nominated for Best Director, which is insane.
Robert Shaw was not nominated for Best Supporting Actor, which is insane, but it won forBest Film Editing and for Best Score.

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So Amity is now in an uproar because there's been a confirmed shark attack.
The town council offers a $3,000 award for killing the shark, which brings absolutepandemonium to the island.
And we have this town council meeting where, I mean, it's this absolute total breakdown ofcivil responsibility.

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it's, again, watching this now post COVID, like it's not just simply that the localgovernment fails.
It's people are just unconcerned about other people.
it honestly, it hits home in a way that it had didn't for me necessarily 10 years ago.
The thing that reminded me of a lot too is, uh, well, Romero with night of the livingdead.

(41:27):
Oh, sure.
Uh, when he talked about the zombies and how slow they go and essentially that it shouldhave been a problem that could have been overcome quickly, except, you know, for our own
infighting, it couldn't be.
And you get a little of that here where.
you know, how, how much, how many deaths could have been avoided in Jaws had they justfaced reality from the get-go, but it wasn't meant to be.

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Yeah.
And we get a fantastic introduction to Quint played by Robert Shaw.
And as I mentioned, this was not the original introduction that Spielberg had planned.
And there's other material that was shot with Quint for earlier in the film where you kindof see him around Amity.
Like there, there was.
There were other moments with Quint where he was sort of lurking around, but they ended upgoing with this as his intro to the movie.

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you know, it's just one of the best character introductions in cinema history.

(42:42):
You all know me.
Know how I earn a living.
I'll catch this bird for you, but it ain't gonna be easy.
It's a bad fish.
Not like going down the pond chasing bluegills or Tommy cards.
This sharp swallow you whole.
Shaking, tenderizing.

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Down you go.
And we gotta do it quick.
I don't bring back the tourists.
I don't put all your businesses on a paying basis.
But it's not gonna be pleasant.
I value my neck a lot more than 3,000 bucks, Chief.
I'll fine him for three, but I'll catch him and kill him for ten.
And you gotta make up your minds.

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You wanna stay alive and ante up?
You wanna play it cheap?
Be on welfare the whole winter.
I don't want no volunteers, I don't want no mates.
There's too many captains on this island.
Ten thousand dollars for me by myself.
For that you get the head.
The the whole damn thing.

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He just commands your attention.
He's scraping his fingers on that chalkboard right past that chalk drawing that he hadthrown up there.
Yeah.
And now I there are t-shirts with that drawing on them, but it's so great.
And the way he talks here, it just establishes him as this salty sort of sea worn captainin a way.

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And he's an opportunist.
So we know that we know that he's seeing a chance to do something to
really make some money here.
And it's also clear that he's a bit of an outsider on the island, because it's not likehe's sitting among friends elbow to elbow.
He's in the very back of the room, chewing on his toothpick and near the near theentrance.

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So, you know, he can get in and out of there without having to be too social or anything.
It's a great way to establish how isolated he is as a person, which is why the others alot of the other people, it's clear that there's
knowledge of him at least.
Yeah.
But it's also clear by the way that the police chief responds to him like, oh, well, he'shere now.

(44:56):
Like, this is the local crazy guy.
And all right, well, that's between you and Mrs.
Kittner.
And that's kind of how it's left.
But I just love how he establishes this.
And he makes his his bold promise during the scene as well.
It's fantastic.
Yeah, all three of the of them.
the three main characters are all outsiders to one degree or another because Hooper is themost outsider.

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He just gets to the island.
I mean, he hasn't even arrived by this scene at by this point.
know, Brody only moved to the island the previous fall and Quint, well, he's get the he'slived there for a while because of his nature is just, you know, he's not going to
people's houses for, you know, for coffee or or.

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you know, for Sunday dinner.
you don't get that impression.
Yeah.
And you, I mean, and this is the movie positions Brody in the middle of them in so manyways, right?
Yes.
He, you know, if Quint is the man of action and violence and you know, Hooper is more theman of learning and Brody fits in between those, right?
He presumably saw too much action in New York and came here for a quieter life, but as aman who is not

(46:09):
incapable of violence himself.
But at the same time, when the shark attack happens, as we're going to be getting there,he will try to learn from books about what the shark is like, something that you could
never imagine Quint doing.
it's almost like Brody, know, the winds up.
It takes a long time, but he winds up being a little bit of the best of both of those waysof looking at the world.

(46:37):
But what's so great about that triangle of characters is that is absolutely the way it ispositioned.
But also it swings around in other ways because both Hooper and Quint, despite the factthat in a lot of ways they are the most different, they are also the most similar because
they are experienced sailors.

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Whereas Brody is far and away the least experienced to the fact that he hates water.
His wife says, he sits in the car when we're on the ferry.
It is constructed so beautifully that on the one hand you have this triangle with Brody inthe middle, but then you turn it around and you have a triangle where Hooper and Quint are

(47:26):
actually the most similar.
I liken this to that you don't have a clear hero.
There isn't anyone who
It's of course centered around Brody, but he's not your typical heroic figure.
He's more akin to Kurt Russell in Big Trouble in Little China.
Sure.
Where he's thrown into a situation that he's not at all well versed at least in dealingwith.

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And he has to make do with that with the people that are around him.
And he always feels like a bit of a fish out of water, pun intended, from the front toback in this movie.
Absolutely.
He's never really comfortable having to do what he has to do.
all the way through to where they're on the boat and he's literally starting to breakdown.
And I like that.
I like that you're not just following a hero around who has the answers.

(48:12):
Absolutely, absolutely.
And as they have that great, see, I love the scene with him at home looking up informationon sharks and talking to his wife about it.
And it's like the oldest son, they bought their oldest son a boat and he's out in the boatfor his birthday and that freaks Brody out.
And one of my favorite little moments.
is Ellen's kind of like telling him to calm down.

(48:35):
And she then she looks at a picture in the book of like shark in the shark book of a sharkcrashing through the bottom of the boat and then immediately yells to the kids to get out
of the water.
And by the way, Chekhov's Chekhov's picture of a shark.
was just going to say it.
uh That illustration.
It's like exactly what's going to happen.
And in that same book, there's a bunch of photos like this.

(48:57):
The shark book is it's Chekhov's shark book.
because you also have a picture of a shark with a large canister in its mouth, again,prefiguring the end of the film.
So the $3,000 bounty brings out all sorts of kooks.
As Justin mentioned, a lot of the locals were played by actual Martha's Vineyardresidents, including uh Ben Gardner, the guy who greets Hooper when he first comes up on

(49:24):
deck.
He was played by a guy named Craig Kingsbury.
who actually served as a lot of the inspiration for Quinn's mannerisms.
Like Robert Shaw spent time with this guy and he was kind of the model for Quinn,including Kingsbury, like would tell these entirely made up stories about Martha's
Vineyard that Robert Shaw would just repeat in interviews as if they were true.

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It's fantastic.
And here we're introduced to Matt Hooper, a young man from a wealthy family who hasdedicated his life to studying sharks and
Richard Dreyfuss serves as kind of the voice of expertise and reason, which everyone onthe island is eager to ignore except Brody.
love when he first shows up and meets Brody because the way that Scheider does plays thatrelief in that moment where he's like, you're guy we sent for your Hooper, your Hooper.

(50:16):
Nice to meet you.
Like he's just finally there's someone here who knows what to do.
Yes.
And he's so overjoyed in that.
And I like that.
In a way from that point forward, Hooper is kind of like the sage in the room with Brodyin all these different scenes.
And Brody's learning about this as these horrible events continue to unfold.
And Hooper is, Dreyfus is so funny in this role.

(50:39):
He is absolutely hilarious.
And he plays it in a way, he's not a one-note activist or anything.
He's...
He is amused by these locals and what's happening, but he's also completely horrified bywhat's going on.
And he realizes very quickly how powerless he's ultimately going to be in this wholeprocess.

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And so he has to turn to Brody to like, you got to get people to listen here.
This is the reality.
And I love that Brody buys into him from the start.
He doesn't question him on things and just encountering these.
learning experiences as it all unfolds.
Yeah.
And you know, from, you know, like I love the bit where he's, he's talking to the localswere trying to get out and it's all, it's all pandemonium.

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And he's like, don't raise the sale.
You're just going to love it.
You know, you got an ore skullet out of here.
You know, he's clearly an experienced seaman.
You like, knows, you know, he knows what to do.
And, and yeah, again, it's, it's in some ways he's kind of like the, you know, a, a, uh

(51:44):
a Dr.
Loomis character in that he knows, he knows what the danger here is.
He's not per he's not personally invested in the way that Loomis was personally investedin Michael Myers, but he's the one who comes from the outside and knows this is serious
and why won't you people listen, you know, and, like, you know, what are you doing?

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And the locals just laugh at him.
Literally laugh.
These kind of hillbillies.
Yeah.
They're laughing and poking jokes, you know, fun at him.
As he's asking for directions at one point when he first walks out on the dock, well,right off the end of the pier.
Yeah.
It's clear.
These guys are just there.
There's no interest in whatever this city slicker has to offer.

(52:26):
Exactly.
Exactly.
We have the examination of the remains of Chrissy, which are small enough to be kept in atub.
Like that's terrifying.
Like this was a shark attack and we have that great cut from Hoopersang shark.
to the bloody open mouth of the shark that the fishermen have caught.
And the fishermen have this, they've caught the shark.

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It's a tiger shark.
A what?
That guy with the line, it's one of the best line readings.
What?
And everybody's all happy because they think they caught the shark.
And then Hooper points out the bite radius doesn't match the wounds on the victim.
And Brody, who was a cop,

(53:07):
Like in a sense is like getting the equivalent of like the lab, you know, technicians saythat the bullet doesn't match the gun that they found or something like that.
And he knows, he knows, yeah.
He wants it to be the shark, but he, kind of instantly knows it's not as soon as Hoopersays that.
Yeah.
Although he's still, I think, willing to go along because something else has to happenbefore.

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Brody starts turning and gaining some independence from the town.
And it's such a, again, yet another heart wrenching moment here that you, because you haveall of this macho bullshit about having taken down the tiger shark and they're posing with
it like a trophy and all of this stuff.
And then you get the, my boy is dead beat.

(53:59):
Is she frody?
Yes.
found out that a girl got killed here last week.
And you knew it.

(54:19):
You knew there was a shark out there.
You knew it was dangerous.
But you let people go swimming anyway.
You knew all those things.
But still my boy is dead now.

(54:46):
There's nothing you can do about it.
My boy is dead.
I wanted you to know that.
uh

(55:27):
Yeah, yeah.
It's a tough moment, because you feel the grief off of her.
I mean, that was another local actor who was playing Mrs.
Kintner, and she's so good.
And that bit where the mayor says, after she slaps him, and the mayor says, I'm sorry,Martin, she's wrong, and he's, no, she's not.

(55:48):
He knows.
It was his call.
He let them make the wrong call.
And it's not instantaneous, but he's not going to let them do it again.
And this is the moment where Brody starts changing in the second half of the movie.
This is the beginning of that journey.
Absolutely.

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And here's the thing about Jaws.
It's an incredible suspense movie.
It's an incredible adventure movie, but it is just a fantastic character piece as well.
Like we have this whole scene after the...
uh
the encounter with Mrs.
Kintner where Brody's at home and he's depressed and his son starts imitating hismovements.

(56:33):
Like it's so, like this is something that would, a lesser movie would have cut for time.
Let's get to the action.
We're going to cut these moments at home.
We don't need it.
But Spielberg knew you just needed that.
it's the thing about is the young actor who plays, who plays his son is the younger son.
just did that.
He was just imitating Roy Scheider.

(56:54):
And then Roy Scheider was like, you gotta take a look at this.
He said to Spielberg, we gotta take a look at this.
This should be in the movie.
And it was.
And the whole scene, this whole scene where Hooper comes over and talks to Brody, sogreat.
it's, again, character being revealed through his act.
Like he brings over the wine and Brody opens the wine and just pours it into a glass, likea whole, just a lot of wine into that glass.

(57:21):
Yeah, because he's just, he knows he fucked up.
He knows it.
And he's trying to reconcile.
My husband tells me you're in sharks.
That's a great line too.
And Hooper tells this story about how he's been fascinated with sharks ever since a sharkate his boat when he was a kid.
Again, foreshadowing what's going to happen later.

(57:45):
In some ways, both Hooper and Quint have very similar experiences, although
Quint's more horrific, whereas Hooper's is like the child-friendly version of that.
Yes.
Yeah, Hooper was not.
You don't get the feeling, the way he tells the story that he was going, almost died.
Right.
There's not the trauma.

(58:05):
It still huge.
Yeah.
It's not the trauma, but it's, and so it doesn't create the, know, the essentially thehatred of sharks that I Quint has, where he's dedicated his life to killing these things.
And whereas Hooper,
became fascinated by them.
He says, I love sharks.
I love them.
So it's, it's, it's they're on opposite ends of the intensity scale, but they do havelike, it was a, it was an encounter earlier in their life for each of these characters

(58:35):
that makes them, that connects them to sharks.
Brody and Hooper, go to cut open the shark.
know, Brody decides, you know, we got to take a look and see if this is the shark that,that, that did it.
The
The kid will still be inside because the shark's digestive system is very slow.
He can do whatever he wants.
He's the chief of police.

(58:57):
And uh sure enough, it is not.
Inside there's a fish head, there's a whole fish, there's a tin can and a Louisianalicense plate.
And despite Brody's fear of water, they go out in Hooper's boat looking for the shark thatnight.
uh Brody is not having Hooper's boat, by the way.
is the antithesis of Quince Boat, the orca.

(59:18):
It's like, it's the perfect counterpoint to that because it's all high tech and he's gotsonar and you know, he's got underwater cameras.
they find the remains of Ben Gardner's boat.
I love the lighting in this scene because it's got to be like the first instance of likethat ultra powerful Spielberg flashlight where like the lights come out and it's just like

(59:42):
they shoot such beams of light that it
And we see this later in movies like Jurassic Park, where it's just, the lights are sopowerful.
It just adds this sense of wonder to everything.
Even though the things they are looking for are very dangerous, there's a wonder to it aswell.
Hooper dives down to the boat and he finds a shark tooth embedded into it, but he drops itwhen Ben Gardner's severed head scares the crap out of him.

(01:00:11):
This, by the way, the shot.
This was not shot at Martha's Vineyard.
The scenes that are underwater, including Hooper in the boat, were shot uh in the tank atMGM Studios in Culver City, except for the insert shot of Ben Gardner's head.

(01:00:31):
That was one of the last things shot for the movie after the initial test screenings inwhich Spielberg wanted one more scare.
He didn't feel the original.
The original footage necessarily did that.
So that insert shot of the head coming out of the boat was shot in Verna Field swimmingpool in Van Nuys.

(01:00:52):
wow.
That's amazing.
And I have to say it was a good ad.
It was a good ad for this.
Absolutely.
So you have, despite Brody and Hooper's warning, Mayor Vaughn insists on keeping thebeaches open for the 4th of July.
As you mentioned, you know, this scene feels so significant now in the world we live in,like
any situation where economic interests are in conflict with public health and safety, thatit just carries a different weight to it now.

(01:01:19):
And you have all these scenes, the people arriving on the ferries, all this stuff whichwas shot on Marla's Vineyard and just feels so authentic.
And you get the kid playing the arcade game Killer Shark, which was a real game put out bySega in 1972.
It was an electro-mechanical
arcade game, a precursor to early video games, which were just beginning to become a thingin 1975.

(01:01:45):
And all these people in the Mayors still trying to get people to go out in the water.
Like, they're there, they're on the beach, man.
Why, like, isn't that enough?
No, no, they gotta go out in the water.
And by the way, the reporter who does the news broadcast, that is Jaws author PeterBenchley.
And guys, this Fourth of July sequence, it's just...

(01:02:06):
I mean, what an all time great sequence.
You have all these people in the water, you know something is coming, but you don't knowwhen and you don't know how and you don't know from where.
Brody tries to protect his son and it winds up backfiring in a big way.
I love the mayor when he's demanding, you know, one of the other local, you know, leadersgo in the water, cause no one is.

(01:02:34):
And the guy,
is holding hands with his wife and their two kids just walking in a line to the water.
And then that gets everyone to go in.
um It's such a nice touch where you again, just completely visualizing when you're askingto keep the beaches open and to make that money, what does, what actually is at stake?

(01:02:54):
And there you have it.
It's like, you're going to drag your young kids in there to potentially be shark bait sothat we can make that, make that cheddar.
It's like,
It's rough.
love when Brody, when Brody asks his older son to, you know, go, you know, take the boatover to the pond, what they call the pond.

(01:03:15):
It's more of a lagoon.
And the son says, pond's for old ladies.
And Brody replies, yeah, but do it for your old man.
And I can literally hear my father saying those words.
Like those are, that is literally something my dad would say thinking he was kind ofclever.
I can hear him saying those words.
But the fin appears in the ocean, but it's not real.

(01:03:40):
It's the fake out with the kids and the fake fin.
And when you rewatch it, you realize there's no Jaws theme playing while the camera'smoving through the water there.
And the panic that ensues.
my God, it's just, like honestly, it's really damning of these people.
It's it is the most selfish panic like some guy takes a raft from some kids and just likeshoves them aside.

(01:04:05):
It's like it's very damning for the people in this scene.
Holy shit.
Yeah, you really don't feel like and I think story wise it's it's helpful because youreally feel like this is this is Brody's, you know, town to save the town is not going to
save itself.
No.
And so him having to partner with with.

(01:04:26):
Quint and Hooper coming up makes a lot of sense because you're not getting anything doneany other way.
It's kind of, it's kind of them against the shark at this point.
There's, that's it.
You cannot rely on the Island.
Yeah.
You can't rely on the Island to save itself, which is again, it feels different now thanit might've 10 years ago.
My goodness.
But then after this false alarm, the shark appears in the pond.

(01:04:49):
And at first there's like the one girl who sees it and she's kind of like weekly callingout like shark.
shark and like, but the false alarm on the beach, everybody's kind of like, what's thisnow?
And then by the time you hear the music, you know, it's real.
And the shark attacks that boater near where Brody's son is.

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And you really get a glimpse of the size of the thing underwater.
is, it's really our first full shot and it's incredible.
I think that is the scariest shot in the whole film.
Yeah.
Because you see,
The shark is not in plain view.
It's obscured by some water as it approaches him and it turns to the side.

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It's like a profile of the shark and you see it swimming up to him and it's not overplayedwith the music.
It is just horrifying to consider that that's right below the surface.
And that's the great fear with sharks.
You don't know what's down there.
That's the great fear of the ocean.
And I love
And I love that that's really the first time that we get eyes on it is in a way that if wewere on a boat or if we were in the water ourselves, that's what we'd be seeing in those

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last moments.
And I think it's so purely terrifying.
It remains one of the scariest shots in all of cinema to me.
um Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And the shark takes down the guy on the boat.
You get a shot of the boaters severed leg dropping to the bottom.
That was the only shot that Steven Spielberg was asked to trim.

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to secure a PG rating.
There was no PG-13 at this time, and he did so by a couple of seconds because they knewthey needed a PG rating to uh be as successful as the movie was gonna be.
And Brody's son has this close encounter with the shark and it passes him by and leavinghim in a very understandable state of shock.

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But there was actually, and this is, there was actually a more elaborate version of thisscene shot.
And we have on set photos of a bit where the shark has the boater in his mouth and theboater is holding Brody's son in front of him.
And they ultimately decide to go with a more, with not as, as overt of an attack onBrody's son, but still, you know, like Brody gets, you know, he gets there, he gets the

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kid out of the water and he has that, there's that look where Brody looks out to thewater.
And he knows like at this point, he's going to go have to go out there and kill the shark.
So now he gets the mayor to pay to kill the shark.
Finally, you know, the mayor is willing to sign, you know, sign the check for $10,000 topay Quint.

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Nevertheless, this dude is still the mayor in JAWS 2.
So, so much for the electorate holding him responsible for all this.
And the last election, I remember seeing meme going around that says the mayor from JAWS 1was still the mayor in JAWS 2.
Make sure to vote.
man, it hits home.
It hits home in a way that it did not uh earlier.

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So then we have this whole second half, we get into the second half of the movie whereit's Brody and Hooper and Quint are gonna go out on Quint's boat, the Orca, to find and
kill the shark.
And I love, just again, the tension between Quint and Hooper, even though they are the twoskilled sailors, there's this great exchange when Hooper wants to bring

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The Anti-Shark Cage.
Jesus H.
Christ.
When I was a boy every little squid wanted to be a harpooner or a sword fisherman.
What do you got here?
Portable shower or monkey cage?
Anti-shark cage.
Anti-shark cage.
You go inside the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water, sharks in the water.

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Our shark.
Farewell.
to you fair Spanish ladies.
Farewell and adieu, you ladies of Spain.
For we've received orders for the sail back to Boston.
And so, nevermore shall we see you again.

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This was one of those things when you're an annoying guy in college who loves movies thatthis was, this was a back and forth for friends all the time.
Whenever, whenever someone was suggesting something that we didn't want to do or wethought might be tough or anything, was just, you go inside the cage and then on and on.

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I know exactly what you mean.
I know exactly what you mean.
And I love the bit with where, you know, because Mrs.
Brewer, first of all, the line, did you pack your Dramamine?
Always get to laugh out of me from Ellen to her husband.
But then the whole poem of here lies the body of Mary Lee died at the age of 103 for 15years.

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She kept her virginity.
Not a bad record for this vicinity.
That was not in the script.
That was just something Robert Shaw like did.
That was an improv that Robert Shaw did on set.
And then Spielberg was like, where is that from?
Because if we're going to put that in the movie, we need to clear it.
And Robert Shaw told him, I don't think it'll be a problem.

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I got it off a tombstone in Ireland.
And we have that great shot as they're heading out of the shark jawbone in Quince'swindow.
And we see just one of the best shots to frame the orca going out to sea.
through, you know, literally they are going into the jaws of the shark.
And it's at this point that the movie becomes a three person drama and it is fantastic.

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I hope you like chum because you want to down here and shovel some of this shit.
Nothing but chum from here on out.
There's a lot of chum.
There's a lot of chum.
I love the sequence in, in Quint Shack.
think it's so great with him and Brody and he's
Just the whole interaction in there.
my God.
environment.

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think his shack is such a brilliantly designed piece for them to be in and just in hisuniverse.
You just see how raw and rugged this guy lives life.
You got soft hands, Mr.
Hooper.
Yeah.
Counting money a whole life.
Show me how to, show me how to tie this knot.
And then he just throws it on the ground.
Yeah.
He just throws it on the ground.

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It's like, I haven't had to pass basic seamanship in a long time.
Again,
That's the funniest thing is that like, some ways they are the closest because they arethe people who actually know what they're doing out on the water.
And again, this was the part of the movie that when they are out on the water, that is thepart of the movie was just arduous to shoot.
mean, it's like, like this was Waterworld.

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We talked about Waterworld last year.
This was Waterworld before Waterworld.
Like Waterworld took the Jaws experience and Universal just said, hey, we're going to tryit again, but bigger.
And sure enough.
You know, it's just, you know, it's one of those things.
And so then we're out to sea and Brody is trying to learn how to tie knots.
Something grabs a hold of Quinn's line, although Hooper is not convinced that it's ashark.

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But then it bites through the piano wire that that Quinn uses his fishing line.
And then it says, as Brody is tossing the chum into the water, the shark appears.
And what an appearance.
mean, that's.
You know, if you're making a montage of classic movie moments, the shark just withoutwarning coming up out of the water as he's as he's, you know, chum and throwing the chum

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into the water.
I mean, it's, it's always going to be there.
And, know, I love it too.
Again, just the movie telling you exactly what's going to happen.
Uh, you know, Brody has been dismissed to the lowest of all categories on the boat,throwing the chum cause Hooper's driving the boat physically quints the cap.
And Hooper drives the boat.
so but Brody is the first one who come the shark comes face to face with.

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in the end, he will be the one who will have to go mono off, you know, with the shark tofinish this thing off.
And the movie's letting you know right now in the we're going to need a bigger boatsequence.
We're going to need a bigger boat.
Yes.
Most famous line from the movie and a line that that Roy Scheider improvised.

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That was not in the script as well.
That was something Roy Scheider came up with while they were shooting.
then it's interesting, like they actually add in a little bit of extra time between thetime the shark pops up and the time he says the line, because at the early test
screenings, the audiences were screaming so loud that the, you're going to need a, we'regoing to need a bigger boat line got lost.

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So they add just a little bit of time to let sort of the, the crowd die down before yougive that line.
that's interesting.
And, you know, effect in his performance to begin with anyway, is that what's interestingis that while Brody is the one who's afraid of the water or doesn't like it and is the
least comfortable out here in this moment, it's, you know, it's not, there's not bravadoor anything, but he also, it doesn't shake him in the way that, that you might've been

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expecting either.
So I think you're, seeing the hints of the guy who will be able to.
take down Bruce by the end of the movie, but yeah.
And Quinn's plan here is to harpoon the shark with barrels, which will force the shark tostay on the surface and wear himself out.
The shooting of that first barrel scene is so good.

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The tension as like they're getting, know, Hooper's trying to tie the like the sonardevice to the barrel, you know, and it's just like, you know, Quinn's trying to make the
shot.
And like, you know, don't wait for me.
And it's just, my God, it's like, it's amazing.
Made more amazing by John Williams score, which is just one of the greatest of all time.

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Although I think it's interesting.
I noticed that this time as quit is getting ready to make the shot, the score there, isbasically the same music as in the final moments of Luke's Death Star trench run in Star
Wars.
I bet if you put them side by side, they are very, very close.
And then after the first day,
We get a little bit of a respite as the three men eat and drink.

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Although what's interesting is both Quint and Hooper eat whatever food they're eating.
Brody's plate is untouched.
He does not eat anything.
But then we get this scene of Quint and Hooper bonding over their scars.
Oh God, it's so good.

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Don't you worry about it, chief.
It won't be permanent.
The two of the legs will drink to our legs.
Ah, God, it's so good.
Like honestly, it's my favorite scene in the film.
Hooper pulling his shirt open, pointing at his heart.
This one right here.
Mary Ellen Moffat, she broke my heart.
ah you think you're so funny, Hooper.

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And then what's that?
it's a tattoo, a head it removed.
And that leads into what I think is maybe the greatest monologue in cinema history.
Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into our side.
He was coming back from the island of Tinian Delaydy and just delivered the bomb.

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Hiroshima bomb.
them under
vessel went down in 12 minutes.

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Well, we didn't know.
But our bomb mission had been so secret...
...no distress signal had been sent.
They didn't even list us over do for a week.
Very first light, Chief.

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Sharks come cruising.
So we formed ourselves into tight groups.
You know, it's kind of like old squares in a battle.
Like you see in a calendar, like the Battle of Waterloo and the idea was, shark comes tothe nearest man, that man, start pounding and hollering and screaming.
Sometimes the shark go away.

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Sometimes he wouldn't go away.
Sometimes that sharkie looks right into you.
Right into your eyes.
You know the thing about a sharkie's got...
...lifeless eyes.
Black eyes, like a doll's eyes.
When he comes at you, doesn't seem to be living...

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...until he bites you.
And those black eyes roll over white and then...
...ah, then you hear that terrible high-pitched screaming.
The ocean turns red despite all the pound and
I'll you to pieces.

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You know by the end of that first dawn...
Lost a hundred men.
I don't know how many sharks, maybe a thousand.
I don't know how many men, they average six an hour.
On Thursday morning, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson fromCleveland.

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Baseball player.
Bosun's mate.
I thought he was asleep.
We'd still go to wake him up.
Bobbed up and down in the water.
was like a kind of top.
Upended.
Well, he'd been bitten in half below the waist.

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Noon the fifth day, Mr.
Hooper, Lockheed Ventura saw us.
He swung in low and he saw us.
He was a young pilot, lot younger than Mr.
Hooper anyway.
He saw us and he come in low and three hours later a big fat PBY comes down and start topick us up.
You know, that was the time I was most frightened, waiting for my turn.

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I'll never put on a life jacket again.
So, 1,100 men went into the war.
316 men came out.
The sharks took the rest.
June the 29th, 1945.
Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

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The Indianapolis monologue was not in the original novel.
That was something they did for the movie.
They connected Quinn's character to the story of the US Indianapolis, which was onlybecoming known at that point because it was still classified up to like the early
seventies.
It made its way into Howard Sackler's draft.

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uh But then Spielberg turned to John Milius to write another version of it, which wasapparently very long.
uh
And then Robert Shaw, he was an accomplished writer himself.
He basically wrote another version of it that kind of whittled it down.
it was Sackler to Milius to Shaw in that rewrite.

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And I guess the first day that they shot it, Robert Shaw was not happy with hisperformance.
And he went to Spielberg.
He's like, I need to do this one more time.
And then he did it in one take.
And that's the take that's in the movie.
There's so many moments in this this monologue that just honestly pierced me to the heart.

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my God.
And the pacing is again, this is the sort of thing you could never predict.
You could never predict that you'd have this material with this actor in this moment, inthis take.
Guys, it's magic.
Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

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I mean, you mentioned it earlier, Rob, that this is part of a trend of material thatpreviously would have been B picture material being made with A picture quality.
And The Godfather is part of that because mob movies previously were B pictures, uh Jaws,Star Wars.

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I honestly think it might start as early as James Bond.
Yeah.
Because I think James Bond is the sort of thing that if Ian Fleming had wrote his novels,
two decades earlier, the James Bond series would have been a B picture series at Universalor Fox.
And they would have been, and I love B pictures from that era, but that's what it wouldhave been.

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And you get into the early sixties and you're taking this stuff that would have been a Bpicture material and you're making it at an A picture level.
Movies like The Godfather, The Exorcist would fit into this.
That's really what the legacy of New Hollywood would eventually become is,
taking what was material that was previously relegated to B movies and making it as an Amovie.

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And it is an amazing legacy.
And Jaws is a big part of that.
We go into the scene and show me the way to go home.
It gets more and more raucous.
And as it does, we start to hear the shark pounding on the outside of the ship.
And it's funny, Quint is the first one to notice it, then Hooper.

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And then the last one is Brody and the shark just starts banging into the side of the shipand damages the orca.
know, it's like the boat's starting to take on water.
And we have that shot, one of my favorite shots, it is pure Spielberg of like they're ableto, the shark moves off and then you see Brody on the deck looking out and the shooting

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star goes by.
ah It's pure Steven Spielberg.
You know, it's, it's, it's what you get in close encounters when the little boy opens thedoor and is it's flooded with light.
It is, this thing is out there and it is, it is both fascinating and terrifying all at thesame time.

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And that's when you realize they're being targeted.
Yeah.
The shark is after them.
Yeah.
Next day, you know, again, they do battle with the shark.
the shark seriously damages the orca.
You know, even more so it takes on more water.
have Brody trying to radio for help, but quit smashes the radio.
Like he's, he's gone fully, you know, he's gone fully obsessed at this point.

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And in the, in the Brody evolution, you're getting a couple of steps along the way here.
Brody is now, uh, you know, in the midst of all this, he now has his gun.
Yep.
Right now.
How effectual that's going to be is a different story, you know, cause when he shoots theshark, it doesn't do a whole heck of a lot, but also in this area is where you get the

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first instance of Brody seeing something that neither Hooper nor Quint do.
Because Brody is the one who suggests, why don't we take the shark back towards shore?
instead of letting him lead us out to sea.
And you can see neither Quint nor Hooper realized that's what the shark was doing.
so Brody, in some ways Brody not having as deep of an experience with what sharks shoulddo is giving him insight.

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He's treating this shark probably more like he would have, you know, a human back in hisNew York cop days or something.
So you're starting to get these little steps along the way.
where when, you know, in the, the latest of Spain scene, the U S Indian Indianapolis, thatmoment where they both noticed something before Brody, that's the last moment like that in

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the movie, right?
As you start to now ramp up Brody coming into his own.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And then, and you know, they get it quick, gets another barrel into the shark and theshark literally starts pulling the boat backwards.
Like,
Quint is, it was like, if we could bring it in the, like he agrees with Brody's idea, liketry to bring it into shallower waters.

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And the shark is literally pulling this boat around.
is absolutely incredible.
And then they burn out the moat.
they essentially destroy the boat trying to get back to shore.
Yeah.
And, but Quint presses on, right?
Quint presses on.
That's Quint's, Quint's.
One directionality, being a guy who's going to muscle through things, that's where he goeswrong.

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But uh again, around in this area with the shooting of the barrels, Hooper not being a manof action makes his first big mistake when he's in the wrong spot.
As one of those barrels is going and he gets, he almost gets trapped by the rope, which,you know, with that could have done some real damage to his legs, but Brody is there to
help him out.

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Brody sees the danger that Hooper doesn't and helps him away.
So you're starting to get these reversals of who the characters have been up till now.
Absolutely.
And it puts Brody and Hooper above water with what is becoming almost like a predator too.
Yeah.
And how Quint has completely gone over the edge.
Right.
And so there's great danger up there and things are happening so frantically and it's notjust Quint, it's what the shark is forcing upon them with the boat and its transition and

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it's starting to take on water.
And so there is no safety anymore for these guys.
And that's a scary point in a movie to find your, your leads sitting in.
There's no, there's no way out.
They're in the middle of nowhere and they're at, and now these two guys are at the mercyof two creatures.
Yeah.
Both of which are completely out of control.
Yeah.

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And, and, and the engine burns out.
Like they're not, they're not getting back to shore that.
And so then Hooper goes into the anti-shark cage.
Like even, even Quint is, is sort of, is, is kind of.
at a loss when the boat is now literally just dead in the water.
And it's like, well, oh what can you do?
And so Hooper gets into the cage in an attempt to kill the shark with poison.

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And this is, again, this is one of the few sequences where they actually use real sharkfootage, which was shot by documentary filmmakers Rod and Valerie Taylor in Australia.
And in some of the shots, because the sharks that they were shooting were actually smallerthan
than the shark in Jaws is supposed to be.
So they actually had a little person in a wetsuit in a smaller version of the cage.

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There's a documentary that's been traveling with this film.
think it dates back to its first laser disk iteration.
And there's a tremendous documentary where everybody's interviewed in it.
Eventually that couple, and you see a lot of the footage behind the scenes of themshooting this stuff with a little person in the cage.

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and how it all played out.
It's really, really interesting.
And anyone who has this on DVD or Blu-ray surely has this documentary in their possession.
Yeah, it's still, it's still on the current desk.
Absolutely.
cannot recommend it highly enough.
Yeah.
mean, in all the ways that this movie is groundbreaking, you know, this was one of thefirst movies to have a documentary, you know, appended to it about the making of it in the

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way that like now is sort of, we see that all the time, but like,
This was back in the mid 90s in the laserdisc era.
And it's incredible.
It's an incredible documentary.
So now, you know, he goes in the cage, cage goes in the water, sharks in the water, and heis very quickly, like he loses that thing that he's going to try and stab the shark in the

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mouth with the poison.
that's not happening.
And the shark just destroys this cage and does more damage to the boat because they'retrying to pull the cage up.
And the shark is in between the cage and the boat.
it's just like, it's like the whole thing is just coming undone.
And then Hooper, we don't know what happens.
Like he, you see him kind of scramble out, but you don't know what happens to him.

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Quint and Brody are on the deck of the boat, which is sinking.
And Quint ends up sliding right down into the creature's jaws.
Like it's, it's the death of Quint.
Incredible.
Another incredible sequence.
One where I noticed something that I've seen this movie many times I had never noticedbefore that earlier quit sticks a machete into like the wood of the boat like the the side

(01:29:49):
of the boat there and this time he's He's able to I noticed for the first time I'm like,he grabs that machete and stabs the shark with it as he's being like bitten in half
There's always new things to see in Jaws.
Yeah, so then alone on the sinking boat
Brody makes his last stand and he flings one of Hooper's compressed air tanks into theshark's mouth and fires at it with Quint's M1 rifle.

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And I had never thought about it before, but like this final conflict that Brody has withthe shark, essentially Hooper and Quint each contribute one of the elements that Brody
uses to kill the shark.
The tank was Hooper's, the rifle was Quint's, and he needed them both.
Huh.
Yeah.

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But of course,
Brody has to pull the trigger.
Well, because they, you know, Hooper's equipment has been denigrated and scoffed at byQuint this whole time, but even Hooper doesn't realize the true value of his own
equipment.
Right?
Right.
He makes a joke when Quint is writing him about the tanks.

(01:30:55):
Like what are those for?
He's like, ah, I suppose I could, you know, make him swallow it or something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can swallow it.
joke.
Yeah.
And,
In the end, Brody actually makes that happen.
Yeah.
You know, and then combining it, it's, um, you know, great little metaphors and you know,it's, part of that clockwork nature of the story here.

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Absolutely.
Absolutely.
He fires five shots and misses.
And then on the sixth shot, he hits and blows up the creature in a haze of blood.
It's just.
And you get that last line, smile you son of a bitch.
And then it's just like, it's a perfect movie moment.

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And the creature, in this field of blood, we hear this faint animal roar.
And it's actually the sound effect as the creature is going down in the blood.
It's actually a dinosaur roar from a 1957 movie called The Land Unknown.

(01:31:59):
And Spielberg used the same sound at basically the same point in Duel when the truck- whenit goes off the cliff.
Yeah, when the truck has gone off the cliff and it's crashing down in this cloud of dust,you hear the same roar at the same point.
And then he uses it again in Jaws and except now instead of dust, it's blood.

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Interesting.
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
And then Hooper pops back up having escaped the cage.
And he and Brody paddle into shore on the remaining barrels.
This ending is slightly different from the novel.
In the novel, Hooper dies, and Quint, rather than being bitten in half, is ultimatelyentangled in the ropes attached to the harpoons that he had stuck in the shark.

(01:32:47):
And he ultimately drowns.
It's a very, very Captain Ahab death in the novel.
And then just as the shark is about to eat Brody, it kind of succumbs to its wounds.
So they gave it a much more cinematic and effectively cinematic ending.
We didn't even mention the fact that in the book there's a whole subplot with the mayorand his mob ties, which was wisely excised from the movie.

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But God, mean, Jaws, I mean, it's one of my favorite movies.
can't pick a favorite.
Some people have a favorite movie.
I can't, but it's in the top tier of like, if you ask me what movies I would take to adesert island.
And that, know, jaws would be one of them.
Like there's others, but jaws would be one of them.
It's the same for me.
And it's one that's hard to, it sounds weird, but it's hard to talk about very much for mebecause so much has been said already.

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And it's been so poured over, over the years, analyzed and broken down.
There's so many books.
There's a number of documentaries now in the wake of that original one.
There's a new one coming out for the 50th anniversary.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I know of another one that's underway too, from a different perspective.
And so this thing just never ends, but it's the kind of movie that's just so good.

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It's hard to, to, to really pick apart in any way.
It's, it's hard to cause there's nothing to make fun of.
There's nothing to laugh at.
There's it just is so huge in such a massive presence in the world of cinema.
we've said, just countless times here throughout the episode that

(01:34:26):
It's everyone knows it.
Everyone's seen it.
Everyone loves it.
Yeah.
And, you know, here's the thing.
You know, I've been thinking a lot about this movie in advance of recording this episode.
I was nervous recording this for the reasons you mentioned.
It's a movie so talked about like and and but here's the thing about it.

(01:34:47):
What makes Jaws so special isn't actually the story.
Like the story is very simple.
Like there's some movies where the story is this epic, that the story itself is the draw,like Gone with the Wind or Lawrence Arabia or Lord of the Rings.
But Jaws, it's a very simple story, but it's told in such a way that it's absolutelycompelling.

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The characters, the filmmaking, they are on such a level that it elevates this kind ofpulpy tale.
into one of the greatest movies ever made.
The comparison I would make is that it's like Casablanca.
Like that's a simple story too.
I mean, it's basically, that's a movie about getting travel documents, but it's elevatedby this filmmaking alchemy.

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And I think Jaws is the same.
It's the writing, the directing, the performances, the music.
all of it come together in a way that you could never really plan for.
It's just magic.
Jaws is movie magic.
it's easy to see.

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It's easy to understand how there are so many movies inspired by this, because it is asimple setup.
It is back to the Halloween model.
Yeah.
You have a very simple story that you can tweak some elements in and you can tell yourversion of that tale.
And as we're going to discover over the rest of the run on this series, didn't matter whatkind of animal we were talking about, whether it was a shark or something else.

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Right.
Just about anything can fit into that role and just about, I mean, and the characters thatwe're going to see throughout these films too, are almost universally going to echo
Hooper, Quint and Brody in some different ways.
So it's the essence of simplicity.

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And I think it's amazing how quickly things started to happen after this too, in terms ofpeople not just seeing the success, acknowledging, man, this is not a complicated thing to
sort of redo in our own way.
And that's what's going to be so fun because with varying degrees of success andincreasingly insane situations and creatures and everything else, we're going to have a

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blast going through what came in the wake of this.
Yeah, and you know, it's it's unlike some other ones where, know, like sometimes it takestwo, like it's that one, two punch of like it, you need two lightning strikes to start the
fire.
Jaws.
You just needed that one.
You just needed jaws.

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Yeah.
And, you know, like, I mean, just to talk a little bit, like it was so successful.
mean, by the time.
You know, like Universal knew what they had by the time they were ready to open it.
It was the first movie to open in more than 400 theaters, which was less than originallyplanned because uh MCA Universal had Lou Wasserman wanted lines outside theaters.

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He thought that was the best way to advertise the movie was lines outside theaters.
It passed The Godfather as the highest grossing movie to that point.
It was the first movie to make $100 million at the box office and basically would inventthe idea of the summer movie that Star Wars would then later cement two years later.
And you have this wave of films that we're going to talk about with which animals of allkinds, including sharks, prey upon human beings.

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And our second film today also features a shark menacing a resort island, although
a very different type of resort island.
One of the first shark movies to follow Jaws from 1977, this is Tintarera, Tiger Shark.

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Young.
is theirs.
The sea is filled with promise.
But they are not alone.

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being hunted it won't be long they say that a shark returns always to the scene of anattack when it comes back I'll be waiting

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Let's be honest here, guys.
Whatever movie was going to be paired with Jaws in episode one of this series was kind ofgoing to be at a disadvantage.
we, mean, you know, we can say at the beginning, Tintarera is no Jaws, but what it is isfascinating.
It's a fascinating movie.
It was released under a variety of titles.

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Tintarera, Tintarera Killer Shark, Tintarera Tiger Shark, sometimes just Tiger Shark.
And it was, was a Mexican British co-production shot in Mexico, written and directed byMexican exploitation filmmaker, Renee Cardona Jr.
The second of three generations of filmmakers.

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And I was shocked to find out this movie was based on a novel as well.
Like, my goodness.
I've tried to track down the novel.
I can only find it in Spanish, which shouldn't be a shock.
my high school Spanish.
I was an okay student, but let's just say I'm not fluent.
So I'm still searching.

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I'm still searching.
Yeah.
was in the novel was written by a real oceanographer, Ramon Bravo, who actually studiedsharks and made very significant discoveries in the field of shark research.
The film is set and shot on Isla Mujeres, which translates to the Island of women.

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And here's the thing, guys, about Tinturera.
There's not a lot of sharks in this movie, but there are plenty of women.
There's a whole vibe to this movie that feels like the love boat if it were produced forCinemax.
Yeah, yeah.
And this is, you know, we said if Jaws was part of a trend, the of uh doing prestigeversions of things that would have been a B movie, an exploitation film.

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Well.
Jaws is going to give back to the roots of the well that it took from because we will getplenty of actual exploitation movies.
This is one of them.
Absolutely.
And I think I've read, I guess, uh, you know, I think Tarantino has a print of this movie.
Tarantino loves Tinturera.
Yeah.

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And, and what Hugo Stieglitz, uh, the actor who plays Steven, right?
I believe was a character name in Inglorious Basterds.
Yeah.
And, um,
You know, this movie, I had not looked up anything about it going into it and, thinking ofit as, I'm going to get a Jaws clone or something in that, that vicinity.

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it opens up with some shark action.
But this is not that, uh, no, isn't.
Yeah.
I, like to the point where I went on Wikipedia and the entry says about this film, it'slike,
The film, along with many monster movies of the 1970s and 1980s, is very similar to Jaws.

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And, you know, there's a lot you could say about this movie, but being similar to Jaws isnot one of them.
I mean, it technically has a shark, it's not, it's not, it's not doing any of the samebeats.
It's like, it is, it's not a copy of the story of Jaws at all.
It's just shark.
Sure.
But it is, is.
Yeah.
That's it.

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Yeah, Tintorerra stars Susan George, who gets top billing despite being in like relativelysmall, like less than half the film, Hugo Stieglitz, Andreas Garcia, Fiona Lewis, Jennifer
Ashley, and Laura Lyons, as well as an appearance by future Threes company star PriscillaBarnes.
And Susan George is an English actress.

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She's probably best known for Straw Dogs, but she was also in a terrific early 70s Britishhorror film called Fright.
which I'm a big fan of.
And Stiglitz, he was a Mexican actor featured in numerous Mexican horror films throughoutthe 70s and 80s.
He's got a uh very 70s, like head of curly blonde hair.

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uh know, like Jaws is a film where you feel it's the time it was made, you know, the70s-ness of it.
But here, my God, Tintarera.
is like the epitome of like 70s exploitation filmmaking.
It's kind of incredible in its way.

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And we open with a shot very similar to that in Jaws, you know, but except here we get theshark in the very first frame.
Like it's not just, like, because while the mechanical in shark and Jaws may not havealways worked, at least they had one.
uh Tinturera entirely relies on actual

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shark footage and some of it is great.
Cause I actually think the underwater photography in this movie is really, really good.
some of it is horrifying and not for the reasons that you would think going into a movielike this, thinking it's a Jaws riff.
mean, it's, there's some abusive sharks in this.
That's pretty shocking.

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Yeah, no, they, they, there are things that clearly like they, yeah, there was, theydidn't fake things.
They,
They killed sharks for real and...
Yeah, it's the cannibal holocaust of shark soft core photography.
Absolutely.
But like Jaws, we have like a ton of people come to this resort island for a verydifferent kind of good time or introduced to Colonado who is a shark hunter, but not like

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Quinn.
He's just like, this is kind of what he does during his day job.
He's clearly a big fan of the band Chicago.
Yep.
because he's introduced to a sleeveless red Chicago t-shirt tucked into a pair of cutoffshorts.
As you do.
It's an amazing look.
Yeah.
And he looks after a yacht owned by Hugo Stiglitz, his character Stephen, who presumablyis getting some of this shark money because the boat is called the Tiger Shark.

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But it's also weird because he doesn't seem to know anything about it.
Like he doesn't really seem to know anything about like
How sharking works.
Like he needs other people to show up.
That feels like he's decided to get his hands wet in the sharking.
In the shark.
He wants to get into sharks and ladies to be honest.

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his real interest seems to be the ladies walking on the beach, which he watches through apair of binoculars.
And you know.
It's 1977 and everybody's ready to have a good time.
He's a peeper.
He literally scopes out ladies in binoculars before setting his sights on Patricia, anEnglish woman on vacation.

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And I'll just say it, like, I swear to God, there's not a bra in sight on this island.
Everyone's either in a bathing suit or it's just, you know, letting nature take itscourse.
And the score.
to me sounds like one of the later, later seventies peanuts TV specials where it's stilljazz, but it's gotten a little crazier.

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You know, it's like, it's like the post bitches brew peanuts soundtrack is what'shappening in this movie often.
And it is a, it's a vibe.
Yeah.
kids say, yeah.
This movie is definitely a vibe.
like, so Patricia, this English woman, she's sitting there in her red bikini.
On her NFL beach towel.

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And he just kind of slides up to her with a waiter and a whole tray of drinks is like,whatever you like.
And, she, you know, was like the manager of the hotel thought it was scandalous that youwere here without a drink.
And she's like, do you work for the hotel?
He's like, no.
He's a creeper.

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And then he invites Patricia to a special dinner on his boat, uh island lobster and Frenchchampagne.
And I mean, all of this works out.
Like, you know, I'll give Steven this.
His moves, they work because she tells him, you know, this place really is created forlovers because that's what they're going to be.

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And he, you know.
He takes her diving, you know, they have sex on the boat.
They sail around in the catamaran and everything's kind of great for them until Stevenblows it by telling her he doesn't know if it's emotional or just physical.
Yeah.
She gets mad and leaves him.
But the weird thing is, it's the calmest breakup fight I've ever seen.

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Very calm.
But the reason being, because as we will come to learn, Patricia, it's not what you think.
She's not breaking up because...
She's demanding that he love her because in some ways she tells the next gentleman thatshe wants no complications.
the way, the breakup does not stop Colonado from throwing what looks like a fantasticparty on the deck of the tiger shark.

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eh Yeah.
These guys are having a good time except for Steven who's pining for Patricia, but she hasmet a handsome local named Miguel.
And Miguel is, uh you know, he is just a guy who's living in the moment.
uh that Stephen tries to be the third wheel on the beach, but that is just not happeningbecause she's moved on.

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And and Stephen punches Miguel like he holds off and hits him, which honestly, Migueltakes that rather well.
Like he doesn't seem to get super angry or doesn't doesn't it doesn't turn into a fight.
You just kind of like.
You know, Hey, Miguel Miguel is the chillest.
He is the chillest.
And it's not, and I say this, it's not just the look it's it's like, if you could imagineseventies, Elliot Gould lifted weights and was a lifeguard.

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That's what this guy is.
And like an attitude.
Yes.
And yes, yeah.
But, um, he is just like the coolest guy imaginable.
mean, honestly, he, really is.
He really is.
I mean, but here's the thing, guys, we're 20.
I had never seen this movie before, before to this week.

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And I'm like 20 minutes into this thing and I'm starting to wonder where the sharks are.
I have that note 21 minutes, still no sharking.
then Patricia sleeps with Miguel and in the morning she goes for a nude swim while he'sasleep.

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And then it's here.
like 22 minutes in where we have like this odd, cause I like a lot of the underwaterfootage.
There's like this weird moment where it's like sped up and we see a shark chasing her.
And then from the surface, we see her legs being pulled underwater and that's that.
Yeah.
There's another great sound design here, which is that in this movie and I assume maybeit's supposed to be her breath.

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But because it's in shark POV land, it feels like the shark is breathing like a stalker.
Like the breather from student bodies.
like, oh, it's definitely the shark because later it comes back.
It's definitely the shark.
The shark is a heavy breather.
It's like, paperclip.

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It's like a breather.
Throwback.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, they do intercut it.
I mean, she doesn't just disappear.
They at least intercut it with some footage of a shark gnawing on some chum of some sortas it swims away.
So there is a cloud of blood.
There is a cloud of blood.
completely off screen.
I think it's probably a little gnarlier than most of what we saw in Jaws.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
There's a little something there.
But here's what is the most bizarre thing is,
that no one seems to like realize that she's gone.
Yeah.
I, I, there was a moment when I thought the rest of the movie was going to be these twoopposites attract hunks, to avenge the death of the lady that was they slept with.

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Uh, but that is not what happens.
This movie, not this movie moving on.
That would be the easy way out.
And this movie does not go that route.
No.
Because the strangest thing happens.
Steven goes to confront Miguel.
I'm like, OK.
And Miguel is talking to these two other girls.
And they leave.
And Miguel is like, they're talking about Patricia.
And Miguel says to him,

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You know, she was really crazy about you.
told you I'm not interested.
really behave like an idiot with her.
She made me feel like a damn fool.
Yeah, I didn't make an impression.

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She took off.
Can you imagine?
I had to the bill, me.
I think she found a guy from her own country, maybe a rich one.
She didn't make love to me.
She was thinking of you.
Twice.
She called me Steve.
You're trying to make me feel good.

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So what if I am?
It's a fact.
But don't worry, I'll get even with you one of these days, you'll see.
She was a strange girl.
She wanted no involvement and ties of any kind here.
I could kill you.
Where do you think I want to go?
Can you imagine?

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And then the two guys become best friends.
After Steven says, I, I'm going to kill you.
I could kill you.
could kill you.
Steven says I could kill you.
It's fine.
And they become best friends.
Yeah.
And, they, and they leave and, and, know, like they hook up with the two girls, Kelly andCynthia, and they hang out and you know, they all take their clothes off to swim back to

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Steven's boat.
Just, they just leave their clothes right there on the beach.
This whole island is very clothing optional and very safe.
That those clothes are there when they uh swim back in the morning, the next morning, theclothes are still there and they are having a good time on the yacht.
Everybody's dancing around naked.
They're swapping partners.
They're sampling what's out there and hey, listen, they're all adults.

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It's this incredibly like idealized version of like a kind of hedonistic lifestyle.
because nobody's trying to coerce anybody.
Everybody's just having a good time.
Yeah.
It is weird because I didn't realize it at this point in the movie, but I would realize itlater that Kelly and Cynthia are sisters.
I don't think I ever realized that.
There you go.

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That's I learned that late.
are sisters.
The guy who shows up at the end is the father of both of them.
They have the same last name.
And that's weird.
You know, like I'll just say it.
That's a little odd.
But Stephen and Miguel, like they leave in the morning, Stephen and Miguel hang out.
And we learn out that Miguel is basically a gigolo.
Like he basically kind of makes his living teaching scuba diving and guess what?

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He's also into sharking.
He's also a shark hunter and they're gonna like teach, he's gonna teach Steven how to be ashark hunter as well.
Everybody's a shark hunter here.
So he and Steven, they go into the sharking business together.
They're gonna be shark hunters.
And it's very weird that when they go for the shark hunting, they wear full wetsuits thatmatch.

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They coordinated their wetsuits.
They're like, let's know.
We can't wear different styles.
We're going to match.
This is there's so many shots and scenes of these two like laying on the beach togetherwith the sun in the background, kicking their feet in the water.
And then there's a dinner scene where the sun's going down, this beautiful sunset behindthem.
There's a real.
bromance going on here.

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And then of course, once they need to dive and they go shopping for suits, they're goingto get matching outfits.
Obviously.
I mean, let's be truthful here.
The real couple of this movie is Steven and Miguel.
Yeah.
You know, like, just, let's be honest about it.
The movie's not explicit about it, but it's, I mean, it's there.
mean, Miguel gives, you know, gives Steven some wisdom about shark hunting and life.

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Okay, now you're gonna be a great shark hunter.
What do want me to do?
Just watch me and learn.
This is like parachuting.
The first mistake is your last.
em Remember, the sharks always go after the wounded animal.

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What should I do then?
The ones you have to worry about are the tiger sharks, the flat-nosed ones.
Are those dangerous?
Now you have got only one chance.
You have to hit exactly in between the eyes.
And we're like 40 minutes into this movie when we're finally introduced to Susan George'scharacter, Gabriella, who according to Miguel is alone and looking.

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Then you think, is this movie setting up a thing where the two guys are going to competefor the woman?
That's not what happens uh because, you know, she's got her eye on both guys and like theyall go back to the boat.
And I actually wrote the note.
shit, she's going full challengers.

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Yeah, and she's got a great little speech with them about setting the ground rules fortheir relationship.
She does indeed.
I've been thinking about our relationship.
I feel there should be an agreement, some rules.
That's good.
Let us have some rules.
What kind of rules?

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Well, number one.
At no time should any of us get jealous.
No jealousy at any time.
I'll drink to that.
Me too.
And number two, there should be no other women.
Because I'm enough for of you.

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Absolutely.
Yes.
And lastly, most important of all, if there's any indication of love at any time of anytype, then the triangle is dissolved, terminated.
Nobody falls in love.
Nobody falls in love.

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Right?
Right.
Musketeers.
One for two.
And two for one.
And the great, the great, you know, edit of the three musketeers motto.
It's one for two and two for one.
And I'm like, all right, let's do this.

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Amazing.
And they do all the things you would do it in all inclusive swingers resort.
They go water skiing, they go scuba diving.
Uh, they take her shark hunting again.
both of the guys are wearing full wetsuits, which they weren't when they were scuba divingin the previous scene, but she's just wearing a bikini.
They didn't rent one for her.

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No, didn't get a matching.
Well, maybe it was coming in, you know, like they had to put it on order to match the onesthat they already had.
Well, and she stays in the boat too.
She does.
Floaty thing.
Yeah, the little, the, yes.
And she is shocked by what they're doing by that.
which I agree with her in that.
Yeah, no, she's like kind of not horrified to leave, but just kind of like, oh, you guysare crazy.

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Yeah.
And, Steven, you know, Steven overthinks everything.
Uh, you know, he just can't shut up about the future.
And I'm just thinking to myself, dude, don't fuck this up.
But, and, and, and admittedly he doesn't cause Gabriella is really into this situation.
Like, like before you, you know, before she was talking about how nobody should fall inlove.
And then the next thing, you know, she's bought rings for the three of them.

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oh, like, throuple, I don't think was really a word back then.
But, you know, this is.
Is that a word now?
What did you say?
Yeah, throuple.
It's like, you know, got three people in a couple.
Mm Oh, yeah.
Oh, that's a real thing.
OK.
But, the strange thing about this movie is like it's it feels like a porno without, youknow, the porno.

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Totally.
There is naked cooking.
Oh, there is naked.
There's a lot of nudity, but like you feel like you should have some kind of hot and heavysex scenes, but you kind of, you kind of don't like you just get a lot of, a of, a lot of,
a lot of things hanging out.
Like, yeah, there's one point where he's cooking with just the, just the apron on, youknow, cause you got to be careful.
It's if you're doing, you know, you could grease, you don't want to get grease.

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You know, that's
You it's dangerous.
Yeah.
I mean, you make them those scrambled eggs.
Stuff can stuff can splatter.
You don't want, don't want that.
You're right though for a movie with this much nudity, it doesn't, it's weird to say thisbecause people have sex and they're talking about sex all the time and they're naked a
lot.
And yet it doesn't feel like it's actually designed to arouse the audience.

(02:01:11):
Like,
Like it just it's it's really like this weird 70s almost like, yeah, nudity, man.
It's just normal.
Like it feels more nudist colony ask than it does like titillating.
Yeah, like like an early Doris Wishman film or something like the 70s version of that.
And I feel like this is one that is roped into the Jaws discussion simply because of theposter.

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The poster really is the thing because the poster, you know, you get a shark and.
you know, like a woman in the mouth of the shark.
it's just like, like it clearly wanted to capitalize on the shark popularity of things.
But it's a movie that's kind of built completely differently.
Yeah.
The one thing that I guess is the same between them is the characters in the movie don'tbelieve that the shark's a problem and they're wrong.

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Like that, that, that is there, but almost nothing else is right.
Like there's one scene later where somebody from the outside shows up and asks, well, whydidn't you close the beaches?
Because you knew there was a shark around.
And like Jaws, where the closing of the beaches is a point of contention, here it's likethe beaches didn't close because nobody really thought of it.

(02:02:22):
It's like, They go on a tour of the Mayan ruins of Isla Mujeres, which are real and areactually there.
I think it's one of the cooler parts of the movie, because you sort of have this
Chronicle of the you get to take a look at the the mine room there taking pictures andeverything and just as all is right in the world they go out shark hunting again and very

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suddenly the tinder era or tiger shark shows up again and eats Miguel and If it soundsabrupt, it's because it's kind of abrupt in the movie Yeah, and it's it is pretty you
again.
You probably get more gore here than you do in Jaws
And then I do love that when you cut up to Gabriella on the boat that she is in, she's inbeachwear, but it is black because she's in mourning.

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Yeah, mean, you do get some like here's the thing because like you can take real sharkfootage and edit it cleverly to make it look like the shark is right behind someone.
But when you need to show a shark eating a person, that's a little more difficult.
And I like I kind of couldn't tell what was happening.

(02:03:38):
Like all of a sudden it looked like they were like the shark had a torso in its mouth.
And then we like see a pair of legs fall to the ocean floor.
And then there's like a head in the shark's mouth, like all these things.
It's like, oh, we can get this thing and put it in the shark's mouth and film it.
But you can't actually, it's not like, like you see the shark and jaws take Quinn's bodydown under the water in an uninterrupted shot that I have no idea how they do because you

(02:04:03):
know, like it, yeah, Robert Shaw must have been underwater for a couple of minutes to makethat shot happen.
It's amazing here.
It's just like, Oh, we got some stuff from the, from, know, like spirit Halloween.
and threw it in and hopefully the shark will pick it up and we can film it.
Well, I think it's kind of remarkable though, that whole sequence, cause it keeps cuttingback and forth to the couple up on the boat and then back down to what the shark is doing.

(02:04:28):
And it's amazing that it's swimming around with his head in his mouth.
How did you pull this shot off?
And then it cuts to this close up of the severed lower half of the body.
And there's all these intestines hanging out of it.
Then the shark.

(02:05:09):
Yeah, we got Susan George is literally in this movie for 25 minutes and and then she's shejust goes she goes home to England and poor Steven like he's now he's missing a girlfriend
and a boyfriend and he swears vengeance on all sharks.
Yeah, there's that shot where he there's a party going on at this resort or whatever it isand he's walking through just.

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lonely guy among these partying people.
it's this scene he's seeing couples make out.
He's seeing everybody's having the best time of their lives and he has lost it all.
He's lost it all.
Lonely man with his little drink, you know, and, and, know, like he even, like he didn'tcall an auto go out and find a shark and kills it.
Like Steven kills it, even though if it isn't the one, like he's like, he actually has theline.

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It's not the one that I want, but I'm going to kill it anyway.
Like he's become the shark punisher.
Like that's his role.
And the funniest thing is like Miguel actually did have one request because they have thatconversation on the boat where he's like, if I should die, Stephen, he says like, you
should throw a big party.
To enjoy life has been my goal.

(02:06:20):
Remember me that way.
If I die tomorrow, you have a party for me.
Thanks.
Laugh and dance with women and song.
For the biggest party you ever saw.
Stephen doesn't even do that.
But he does meet up with that a couple of American girls that they had hooked up with.
And they go off, there's a beach party, and there's a kind of weirdo guy with a big giantshell.

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know, whoa, what's, drink out of the shell.
What's in the shell?
Drink and don't ask.
It's like the island, when Miguel has gone, the island becomes dark and weird.
And then Stephen goes skinny dipping with the sisters, Kelly and Cynthia and this wholegroup.
And then we get the shark.
He's breathing heavy.

(02:07:06):
He's still out there.
And just as Stephen is kissing Cynthia, it rips.
The shark comes by rips her from his arms.
And holy shit, is there a lot of blood in the water.
my And they're swimming around in it, flailing and splashing blood everywhere.
It's nuts.
Yeah.
And just, oh, this shark is clearly just out to make Stephen's life.

(02:07:29):
He's taken everything away.
You know, the shark has got a grudge.
The father shows up and he asks why the beaches weren't closed.
Nobody really, it just seems like nobody really thought of it.
And at Stephen, he buys a new spear gun.
And against Colonado's advice, he goes looking for the Tintarera alone at night.

(02:07:49):
Like, he doesn't even go out in the day time, he goes out at night.
And we have this last sequence where it's just very dark.
And, you know, like, yeah, he's got Miguel's voice in his head.
You know, he's like, you got to fire the spear gun at right the moment.
It's just the right moment.
It get between the eyes.
And he does.
But maybe he's dead, too.

(02:08:09):
Like, I got to be honest, it's very unclear how this movie ends.
Like, does Stephen get killed?
I think so.
Maybe.
Yeah, because you don't see it.
But the way the camera, it's like you kind of goes to the bottom of the ocean floor andthen
Everything is optically getting painted red around it in frame.
It, it, and then you cue the, the reprise of the love song from when they were thethreeple at the Mayan ruins, uh, know, taking pictures and you get some shots of that as

(02:08:39):
well.
It almost feels like a lost bond theme.
Oh, totally does.
But, yeah, I, I'm, I'm on team.
think Steven was, was killed by the shark as well.
I think they died together.
think so.
I think so.
And I think.
That underwater photography during that sequence too with the darkness in the water, inJaws you can always see what's happening.

(02:09:01):
It's very clear underneath the surface.
And in this, it's like it would be if you did just have a flashlight with you and you wereunderwater at night and it's scary.
It is.
Like it's unsettling.
In more deft hands, that could be even more terrifying.
But the way that they shot it and just left it not lit cinematically.

(02:09:22):
I think worked really well for that sequence.
But it does become kind of chaotic and kind of goes on for a while.
Like, I just didn't know what was happening.
Yeah, and the manta ray is all of a sudden bleeding and gushing blood and it's chaos.
And then it ends.
What's amazing is that there were two versions of this movie prepared, one forinternational release that was 85 minutes and had lots of nudity and one for a Mexican

(02:09:49):
release that
apparently excised a lot of the nudie or most of it, was somehow 40 minutes longer.
Oh God.
And I'm like, how does that work?
Like, honestly, I got to the end.
was so glad we had the 85 minute version.
That has to be just more of them wandering around doing couples stuff and grocery shoppingand all that.

(02:10:09):
Do we already have too much of in the shorter version?
Yeah.
And this is why I'm, I need to find out what's in the novel because is there a versionwhere
where like the Mexican version just has all of the story and none of the exploitationstuff.
they, when they made the Swedish version or whatever, they were like, ah, they don't careabout the story.

(02:10:30):
Just give them all the, all the TNA.
I don't know.
I am fascinated by this.
am.
I, if I can find an English translation of the novel, my God, I will, I will, I will getit and, uh, we can read it.
mean, I, it's just like, this movie is kind of amazing because
I don't know how you make Jaws Goes to Hedonism 2 quite so dull.

(02:10:56):
Well put.
uh So it's just, oh again, any movie that was going to share the opening episode with Jawswas at a disadvantage, but uh we wanted to put another shark movie in here and this was
one of the first.
Again, Quentin Tarantino is apparently a huge fan of this movie and owns a print of it andI'm like, it is a weird little movie.

(02:11:19):
Uh, and as you say, there's like the cannibal Holocaust of shark exploitation movies.
Cause it's a, there's stuff that is kind of gruesome.
Yeah.
We didn't talk too much about it, but throughout just for people who are listening.
So you're aware of what we're referring to.
A lot of people don't w like will not watch cannibal Holocaust because of the animal stuffthat's done in it.
And in this one from front to back, anytime they're in the water, for the most part,there's at least sharks being stabbed, shot, hooked in the mouth.

(02:11:47):
clubbed in the head, there's, but then there's other things like the ray that I mentionedgets.
the rays I'm Yeah.
And it's bleeding through its gills.
It's a very animal damage, heavy film.
So if you're not into, if you're not comfortable with that kind of thing, it may be themovie to pass it.
Maybe the movie to pass, uh, you know, anyway, Yes.

(02:12:11):
But Hey, this is, this is only the beginning of our, get me another jaws series.
And
We have so many interesting movies in the weeks ahead.
There's so many fascinating films with all kinds of animals, more sharks, other creaturesof the sea, as well as creatures of the land and sky.
This series, again, we had start with Jaws and then one of the first movies to come afterit, but there's so many interesting things in the weeks ahead.

(02:12:39):
My goodness.
We are so excited.
And next week, we'll be looking at a film that features the only known natural predator ofthe great white shark, a species of whale known as orca.
That's right, next week, the 1977 Dino De Laurentiis production of Orca, the Killer Whalestarring Richard Harris.

(02:13:03):
And joining us to talk about that film, we are very excited to welcome her to the show forthe first time.
Carmelita Valdez McCoy, she is a film scholar and a raconteur.
She puts together the absolutely best double features you can imagine.
And we are excited to have her join us to talk about Orca, the Killer Whale.

(02:13:25):
So we're just getting started.
Forget me another Jaws.
And we are excited for the weeks ahead.
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