Jaws Ep. 08 - The Last Shark / Cruel Jaws (with Ryan from The New World Pictures Podcast) - Get Me Another

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Hello and welcome to Get Me Another, a podcast where we explore those movies that followedin the wake of blockbuster hits and attempted to replicate their success.
My name is Chris Hyannagone and with me is my cohost Rob Lamorgous.

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And I refuse to put off the regatta or the ceremony and I'll pay for everything, Chris.
Well, if you're paying for everything, then I'm sure the regatta will be perfectly safe.
Both of them, I would think.
I'm putting up the podcast netting.
We're going to be fine.
So if you've listened to some of our previous series, you'll know that we here at Get MeAnother love Italian filmmakers because when Italians latch on to a cinematic trend, they

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go all in.
And while we talked about Orca back in episode two, that was a Dino De Laurentiisproduction and as such,
a bit of a different animal figuratively and literally.
But today we'll be looking at two films about sharks from Italian filmmakers, both ofwhich borrow very heavily from Jaws and one of which borrows very heavily from the other.

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And returning to our podcast to help us chum these waters is Ryan from the New WorldPictures podcast.
Welcome back, Ryan.
Yeah.
I want one thing.
The head.
You
quite Scottish enough!
That was the-
Well, the thing is, is I could say it in the Scottish accent, but he doesn't do a Scottishaccent.

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So we kind of like.
He's trying to do Scottish accent and he like does a Scottish accent on every other word,and it's really hard to replicate.
It's hard to do a bad.
It's fascinating!
Like it's a fascinating choice!
It's a choice, man.
Wow.
uh
Well that's what you get with Vic Mara, get shot.

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You get a choice.
That's what you get.
over there at the New World Pictures podcast.
What's new?
It's going great.
ah You you have you have stepped over there a couple times for
I love it every time it is fantastic
It's been a blast.
We spent the summer doing some dystopian summer movies and uh we did some action movies inJune and we're doing comedies and then our usual sexploitation September.

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uh
can't go wrong with that.
You can't go wrong with that.
Nothing, nothing better than talking about exploitation movies with your wife and brother.
mean, that's just that's the ideal way anyone wants to talk about those.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's like, well, I won't bring this up at Thanksgiving.
Oh, we do.
Ha ha ha!
You can't wait until Thanksgiving.

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have to bring it up.
to it in September.
Yeah.
I still think you should live stream your Thanksgiving.
We've talked about this before.
This idea has come up.
Oh God.
And you also have this interesting new series, Corman graduates.
This is really cool.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, we've we've we've started doing it's an idea I had for a while, but we we wanted toreally dive into the filmography of some of the people that have gone through and learned

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how to make movies from Roger Corman.
So we started our first series on Jack Hill.
We just recorded a new episode this morning, so that'll be coming out.
But we're kind of going through the filmography, you know, chronologically and just sortof like, you know,
bringing on guests, talking about the movies, kind of talking about how we are watchingtheir career progress.

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And Jack Hill is just always a, you know, he's one of the best exploitation directors toever do it.
And uh he's, did a variety of wild stuff for Corman and really learned and has been veryuh thankful and very grateful for his time with Corman.
And so we thought he would be a perfect guy for the first series.

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uh
terrific series and I'm looking forward to it continuing.
Absolutely.
And to see who's next with the next wave.
there's so many people who fit in that category of Corman graduates.
You could do it.
could do it.
mean, tell your wife and brother, you can do this for years.

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mean, unending.
I'm sure they're going to be excited.
Well, they they we just did our 150th title.
Yes, I'm sure.
of that very exciting and a great title.
And I just was telling a friend of mine the other day about it he was like, well, how manymore do you have?
And I was like, I mean, easily another 150.
Hahaha!

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I mean, it's just it's like there's so many and then yeah, this series will do it andbelieve me I I know what what you're talking about because I thought about who we could do
for this series and there are so many people and I'm like Ron Howard Martin Scorsese andI'm like boy that we do two movies at a time James but oh James Cameron, I mean that's

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those we will be doing that those series forever I mean we could do just that for like awhole year it's there's so much stuff
You never run out of gas.
I think it's great.
I think it's fantastic.
Well, and it's part of like what we do with our theme months and stuff is partly justtrying to mix it up Oh, you live on a diet purely of new world pictures movies You gotta

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you gotta find some ways to mix it up.
It's it's a lot.
It's it's it's daunting
And yet there's just, there's so many, there's so many amazing movies.
There's so many amazing movies you haven't gotten to yet.
And I was just like, I was looking, was looking back, I was like, have they done this yet?
And I was like, and I was like, no, no, it's still not.
We have not done Piranha, which you have done on this series.

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for that.
Looked for Piranha.
Yeah, we have not done Piranha yet.
No, we have all watched it.
ah In fact, we actually did record an episode of Piranha before we started, before wereleased episodes.
It was one of the first ones we did.
And it was an episode we abandoned.
So we will get back to it.

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But we were like, nope, we didn't really have it down yet.
Right.
Can I make a suggestion?
And you do finally record Piranha again.
record 30 % and then use the 70 % that you had recorded in the past.
You don't really need to do that much.

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Right.
Right.
Well, we did, we definitely will repeat the fact that we only called it per Rania.
And so you can, when we get to it, just that will be part of it.
You can guarantee that.
Amazing.
All right.
So we have quite a bit of ground or not ground, but ocean to cover today.

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So let's get into it.
First up today from 1981, Le Ultimo Squalo or The Last Shark.
Port Harbor is a quiet summer resort with its pleasure boat enthusiasts, skin divers andwind surfers.

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It may be one of the most peaceful places on earth.
But in the world of blackness, beneath these waves, there are no days, no nights, noseasons, only endless existence.
And a being who's only thought since the beginning of time is his ravenous desire to feed.

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invaded by the ultimate predator.
A beast against which there is no defense.
Nature's perfect killing machine.

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The Great White Shark.
Great White.
The Terror Begins March 5th.
The Last Shark was directed by Enzo G.
Castelleri, whose post-apocalyptic films, 1990 The Bronx Warriors and The New Barbarians,we've featured in our Get Me Another Mad Max series.
They're no striker, but they're pretty good.

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They're no stri-
But they have, mean, in particular 1990, the Bronx Warriors is, is really something.
I love the epic story of trash.
That is an epic adventure.
And honestly, I think I just love movies where Vic Morrow plays a character named Hammer.
Yeah.
It's amazing, including this one.

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Oh my God.
So the film was written by Mark Princy and was originally set to be directed by anotherItalian filmmaker whose work we've discussed here, Rogerio Diodato, who ultimately left to
do Cannibal Holocaust, which was the movie he is most famous for.
We covered his film, The Barbarians, back in our Conan series.

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but instead Castellari was brought in.
He having recently directed another shark movie called The Shark Hunter, which we haven'thad a chance to cover, but might pop up in Get Me Another Jaws, volume two.
And the film stars two American actors whose work we've also seen on this podcast, JamesFranciscus, who starred in the Dior Argento film Cat O' Nine Tales, and the aforementioned

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Vic Moro, who gave one of our favorite
unhinged performances in 1990, the Bronx warriors.
I mean, Rob, Vic Moro is getting into Ernie Hudson territory and it's great.
Yeah.
I mean, I will, I'll just tell you, I already have the picture on my wall.

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I've sainted him in my, Canon of, uh, of film actors.
is fantastic.
That is fantastic.
We also got Joshua Sinclair, also an American, who's playing William Wells.
Indeed.
Joshua Sinclair is interesting because he worked mostly in Italy in the 70s and 80s.
He worked several times with Castellari, but he was also a writer who wrote the film Justa Gigolo with David Bowie and Marlena Dietrich.

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And this is amazing, he wrote the novel Schocka Zulu, which was made into a TV miniseriesand then later left show business altogether to pursue a career in medicine.
Oh, wow, as you should.
uh What's your background, doctor?
Well, I was in some Italian movies.
Shaka Zulu.

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And like, and he directed like the, the, sequel, like the, Shaka Zulu mini series ShakaZulu two, the legend continues or something.
Joshua Sinclair was in Lady Frankenstein.
Who was he?
He I was trying to look up who he was.
He played a character named John.
I don't think it was a huge character, but he's in it.

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Oh, my God.
We talked.
Oh, we talked about Lady Frankenstein.
I wish.
the episode number ready to just be like, episode number and I, you know what, I blewthat.
It's, an early, it's last year.
It's, it's, it's really good.
Don't miss Lady Frankenstein.
yeah, don't deny yourself.

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deny yourself, Lady Frankenstein.
The film features Michaela Pignatelli, Stefiana Giallami Goodwin, and Giancarlo Preti, whoplayed Scorpion in the new Barbarians.
He played of all of the the Wasteland Warriors in our Mad Max series, he played the onethat looks most like an accountant.

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Yeah, yeah, he has that kind of look.
Yeah, it's here.
He plays a journalist and you know, he's he's he's in his own movie.
It's fascinating because he's kind of like he's on his own picture that every once in awhile intersects with the main one.
But for the most part, it's just about him and his ambitions to get to the network.
Like it's a whole it's a whole other thing.

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He also is as cutthroat as a new barbarian in this movie.
He's more cutthroat.
My goodness.
And yeah, if they had gone with just his side of the story, just an ambitious youngreporter trying to get the story of the shark so he could make his way through the world
of journalism, maybe things would have been less litigious in the long run.

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You
the question now.
As we get into the movie itself, we're going to talk about some of legal aspects.
This movie did draw a lawsuit from Universal Pictures.
But I want to get into the meat of this movie itself.
I want to ask both of you guys, how do you feel about windsurfing?

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I've tried it once.
I was awful at it.
Like a friend of my dad's, like we, he, had, he had that.
And so we, he, my brother tried, I tried, I could not get it to go.
And they were like, you'll get it.
You'll get it.
I can stand up.
I surf when I was younger, but just to navigate that thing.

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But I mean, I didn't realize it was such a sensation.
Apparently.
And I was.
I'm aware of what a regatta was and if you're unaware of a regatta, you're going to learnvery quickly in this movie and the next.
Regattas are very, they're a huge, guess a huge part of American culture as far asItalians see us.

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Apparently so we open with like this amazing opening credit sequence with you know withthis windsurfing montage set to an absolutely fantastic 80s song Hollywood big time
because nothing says Hollywood like windsurfing or nothing says windsurfing likeHollywood.

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Yeah you've got slow motion windsurfing right off the bat which
Last time I checked, Mr.
Spielberg did not have in Jaws.
No, he did not.
He did not.
And, you know, with all due respect to John Williams, the music here is from Guido andMauricio D'Angeles, the prolific composers who did the scores for movies like You're the

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Hunter from the Future and 2019 After the Fall of New York.
So, you know, they had quite the career too, Mr.
Williams.
That's right.
I mean, honestly, that your theme song right there.
I I bought that on iTunes.
After we did that show.
You know, this I think is one of their lesser ones.

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I love the songs that they do.
Yes.
Are fantastic.
But as a score goes, it's it's
It is on the repetitive side.
will say they have, they have a thing and they do that thing.
uh
flourish do they play a lot?
And it does not play like the John Williams score.
No.
No, it doesn't.

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But man, Hollywood big time?
I'm gonna, next time I'm on a talk show, I'm gonna come out to that song.
Zips is a great way to put it.
Honestly, it really does.
It's perfect for any occasion, but especially windsurfing.
Yes, yes indeed.
So we open with this guy and he's on the windsurfing board.

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It's guess a windsurf board.
Is it is that different from like it's a windsurf board.
I guess you'd call it.
yeah.
And he's got cool moves, you know, and is this how windsurfing works?
Is it like you're judged by the cool moves you do?
Is it or is it just a race?
Because we never get to finish a regatta.
So I'm never sure.
not sure.
I think it's about the moves.

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Like a surf contest would be about the moves you do on the waves.
Right.
But I don't know because it feels like later on in the movie when they get to the regatta,it's about them racing.
It feels more like a race heavy.
m
If the regatta feels like a race and a boat regatta would be a race like that.

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Yeah.
I bet it feels in the beginning it's all about the moves and how you turn the sail aroundand you move your body and you you barely hang on to it or you are hanging off of it most
of the time.
dip your butt in the water like this guy, you know.
I mean, so I don't know.
I, you know, I have to find a regatta nearby and go check it out.

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Apparently, the Carolinas and Florida are the big, they're the regatta heavy areas.
Like on the west coast, we don't have as many.
uh
You want to go to a true regatta, you have to go out.
You have to go out to the south.
That's where the real regattas are.
That's where the real regattas are on the Atlantic.

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Well, you know, get it's Atlantic is known for more waves in the ocean.
Like that's it's a hotbed of any kind of surface.
Yeah, absolutely.
Oh, that's taking the hard road, you know, and you be so cool, though, while you're doingit.
you gotta be so cool.
Like like this guy, this windsurfer, Mike Patterson, who is favored to win the upcomingSouth Bay or Port Harbor.

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Regatta, depending on which version you watch.
You'll hear different towns.
This movie, by the way, carried several different titles.
was the last shark internationally, but in the United States, it was released under thetitle Great White.
And it had something of a truncated release because of a lawsuit from Universal that we'lltalk about a little bit more at the end.
And we have a local DJ who serves up, he's setting up the players.

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He's telling us all these things.
And Mike Patterson is favored to win the regatta over Billy Joel Wells, the son of wealthyWilliam Wells, who is also the mayor and running for governor.
And man, this DJ really has it out for the Wells family.
Like he just, he won't stop.
Like, man, like he's really, I don't want DJs to target me like that.

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I mean, there's only so much local news that's going on and, you know, this guy has highpolitical ambitions.
mean, he's he's leaping from mayor to well beyond that.
He's he's he's over his wind surfing tip.

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Not sure the equivalent to skis, I'm just trying to.
But you get the reference.
yeah, for sure.
For sure.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, they have told their local news reporters to go after it.
Go after the story.
Get that story by any means necessary.

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journalists for goodness sake.
The it hits different than national.
We gotta keep people engaged.
You know what?
That's where the real journalism is.
That's honestly.
And he's so after the Wells family.
He won't stop that young Billy Joel, the son of, it's not Downyster Alexa, it's not onLong Island.

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I love, he gives the radio guy the finger and the DJ seems to know it and respond.
It's amazing.
The big takeaway here is that this is a very tight-knit community that is really intowindsurfing.
Yeah, it's interesting.

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you guys are both from, you know, what was how popular in your town growing up?
What was the thing?
Nothing was as popular as windsurfing.
You
In this town, I know.
I've never had one thing be so well embraced.
no literal meth was not as popular as windsurf.
You
Wow.

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Well, you know what?
The addiction you get uh once you really get into windsurfing is nothing like Matt aswell.
It makes sense though that windsurfing and you know the complexity and of the regattas andthe dance on the water and the marshaling of a city's young talent that this is going to
springboard you into the governorship.

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For sure.
Of course.
If you can handle a regatta, you can handle a state's budget.
There's no question.
That's just how it goes.
No, it's absolutely.
But unfortunately, Mike Patterson might not make the regatta as he is the first target forour titular great white.

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you know, we get some of those now obligatory first person shots of the shark underwater.
The big change up here is no music.
just totally, the shark runs totally silent and so silent that Mike doesn't even know theshark is there until he looks down and sees
his windsurf board literally bitten in half.

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Like he's still sailing on the front half and he looks down and there's a big like bitething.
And I'm just like, I feel like you would have noticed the shark.
Like, I mean, I know you're into your windsurfing, but I feel like you would have noticedthe shark.
He was in a zone.
A zone that we could only hope to ever enter in our own attempts at concentrating.

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You know what mean?
Like he...
I've never had a creative zone like that and he was just in it.
no, I even, I read that book, Zen and the Art of Windsurfboard, it and get me where I,where I need it to
he was just yeah, you would.
You would also think that you know, I know the board itself is also a big part of how youstay afloat and stay steady.

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So when you miss the back end of it, it's like, you know, you would notice, especiallywith the back fins gone now.
So you got, I mean.
You just would be floating on that thing.
You wouldn't be able to move it or, you know, cause you don't have the fin to help movethe surfboard.
So yeah, you would notice.

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If, unless you're in a zone like he is.
Well, he's he's not the only one in the zone, though, because this is where I'm going tostand for the shark in the last shark.
Not as smart as Orca.
I will.
I'm to say, of course, or has a whole orca has the brains.

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But this is the most athletic shark in any most athletic animal, frankly, in any of themovies that we've seen thus far.
And
I absolutely love it.
Oh, it's amazing.
It's amazing.
Sharks typically go forward with their nose and then kind of come out of the water.
Right.

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But this shark knows how to come straight up out of the water, you know?
blow things out of the water into the air.
Like just, mean, I mean the velocity it must have over short distances just to, to knocklike it knocks Mike and what's left of his board out of the water straight into the air,

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like 10 feet into the air.
It's amazing.
Yeah, I mean I grew up in San Diego.
I went to uh SeaWorld all the time and I dare a killer whale to be able to lift getthemselves straight up out of the air like this shark.
I wouldn't dare kill her well.
We know what happens if you don't want to be on the wrong side of like they're gonna chaseyou to like the-

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Well, mean, Jaws 4, it's the same thing.
When I was listening to your episode, it made me think, is Jaws 4 ripping off Orca?
Because I...
kind of feels like it.
And they just went, instead of cold, let's keep it tropical.

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exactly.
Well, you know, you're not getting Michael Caine to go up to Newfoundland or somethinglike that.
Well, you know, Labrador.
mean, Michael Caine wants to do a picture in, you know, the Bahamas.
He one of the best quotes he ever had is from that movie.
The house, yeah.
Yeah, it's it's it's it's basically he was asked if he'd ever seen Jaws 4 and he said Ihave never seen it, but the house that it bought uh is is delightful.

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it's basically I'm paraphrasing here.
Yeah, yeah, it's unbelievable.
So great.
So then, then, you know, he's Mike, Mike is off his board.
He's floating in the water for a minute and then he's pulled under.
We rarely see in this movie a lot like they suggest a lot because I feel like the sharkthat they had to work with wasn't as, you know, it could do things, but they couldn't

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always show the shark doing things.
Both of the movies we're going to talk about in this episode saw the opening scene of Jawsand were like, that's all you need to do.
Yeah.
You don't need to really show a lot.
In the case of the second movie, we'll do that a couple of times.
Yeah, I mean, that's they're like, we don't have to get that graphic.

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They just left out all the tension parts.
Yes.
Yes, yes indeed.
there is something, and I like this movie.
I like it too.
enjoyed it.
I like it too.
But there is something so pure.
We've watched so many people go, well, it's got to be an animal and we need to have abook.

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But then they're like, oh, we're going to inject social themes or the environment or it'sa mutant or we're going to not even have anything, but pretend that we do.
We've seen so many variations and the Italians are like, fuck it.
It's a great white shark.
Yeah.
It's kind of menace a town.
They're not going to want to close the beach because the mayor like.

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Just do it all!
My god, Rob.
Yeah!
uh
Take that, Spielberg!
You never thought of mistakes that a regatta brings to town.
So there's no bear, there's no like, right?
No.
um Ozone layer making the animals freak out
Jaws had a great white, so so do they.

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It's like a no brainer.
quote Alien, I admire its purity.
It's very true, yeah.
So, so we're soon introduced to author and shark hunting enthusiast Peter Benchley.
Sorry, Peter Benton.

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It sounds a lot like the author of Jaws, but it's not quite.
Peter Benton played by the, the second lead of the Planet of the Apes series, JamesFranciscus, the star of Beneath the Planet of the Apes.
This is actually one of my favorite bits of direction from Enzo and the whole movie.

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where you get that great pan shot.
Yes.
You know, it's the it's your standard panning over everything in a house to tell you whatyou need to know about a character.
So you're getting like that, the coffee maker and the shark photo with him.
And then you're, you know, the telescope.
I think you even have actual jaws.
The back of the dust jacket with his photos.

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So, you know, he's an author.
Yeah, it's it's like so um efficient.
But also just like visually fun and interesting in a way that, you know, it felt like theydon't always have the budget for, which is probably not a shock, but I really appreciated
it.
And you know, he's serious about the ocean because he keeps a scuba tank next to hisliving room couch.

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Yes.
You know, that's that tells you what you need to know.
that's.
I'm not allowed.
I can't.
You know, my wife said you got to keep that out of the house.
was a whole thing.
I live in an apartment, it's not, you know, it's...
I keep it next to my bed at all times.
You never know when I'm gonna need to pull on that a little bit.
oh
day and age you know with the climate change

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air?
You never know!
No, case President Scrooge steals your heir, you have some there.
It's a good count.
So, and I will say we see this town.
Peter Benton lives in this town with his wife and daughter, and he's best friends with ourlocal Quint character Ron Hammer, played by Vic Morrow.

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Again, this is one of two movies in a row.
that Vic Morrow played a character named Hammer for Enzo G.
Castellari, which is just amazing.
I love the idea of casting a guy and just always giving him the same name.
I think that's fantastic.
The character's so nice, they used him twice.
I don't know.
I actually, I think it's canonical in my head that from 81 to 1990, it's his like twinbrother who lived in New York.

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Yes.
Yes.
So as far as I'm concerned.
in 1990, The Bronx Warriors.
I'm already working on that novel, The Hammer Brothers.
know, like Quentin Tarantino said he was going to do the Vega Brothers for years.
I'm going to do a Hammer Brothers novel.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's, I think that's a good idea.
They were split and so only one of them is slightly Scottish.

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It's like a, it's like uh a, what's the, the twins, like the parrot trap, like the parrottrap!
They were parr-
Trapped!
Yeah, exactly!
New York's very unforgiving.
have to, you have to oh take that.
Yeah.
They're to be, you know, they're taking out the trash.
As somebody who's from, like my dad's from Scotland, so his his accent is perplexing.

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You
It is, if by perplexing you mean amazing.
Security measures were taken, but not for a great white of this size.
I've never seen anything like it my whole life.
I've got the shark all over the world.
So put that in your paper.
But security measures, they were taken.

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It's so hard.
mean, it's it's it's like a New York sort of East Coast accent.
And then every so often he does like one of these and it's like, OK, like I, I listen, Ihave to keep rewinding his his dialogue because I'm like, is it Scottish?
Like I almost wonder, you know, or is it his interpretation of Irish and he's off?

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But I do think Vic really was trying Scottish.
We just didn't know how to do it.
was amazing about it is I didn't pick up on it for a while because his dialogue in theearly scenes that he appears in is so short.
It sounds like one, two word sentences that I didn't pick up on it.
It wasn't until like the town meeting scene later that I'm like, he's doing Scottish.

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That's some
Yeah.
The only thing for me is that I watch.
don't know how you guys watch this, but I have a DVD.
Oh, and the the the audio on it is really poor.
So you have to like crank it.
And it's a bummer because I did.
There is a new blu ray coming out of The Last Shark, and it's coming from a Britishcompany called Treasured Films.

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OK.
And I preordered it in February and it has still not come out yet.
It was supposed to be out last month.
And there are some delays and I'm so bummed, I cannot wait to have like a brand newversion of this movie with I mean.
No, that's fantastic.
may have to...
So it's British, is it Region B?

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It would be a region B.
that is the case.
would not be a four.
But I don't know.
You can't get this here in the US.
No.
It's kind of tricky.
I don't know how you guys watched it.
It must have been on YouTube or something.
Worry about how we watched it Ryan.
Worry about it, you narc.
oh

(32:39):
We clearly flew to Chinachata.
We watched the reference from the sand vaults underneath Chinachata Studios.
Salt mines!
I had to dig it out of the salt mine with my own fucking hands!
As the instructions tell you to once you get to see this.

(33:00):
That's true.
Don't mind anybody watching it, but you gotta put in some work.
Don't think you're just gonna come out here and be able to sit in a screening room.
No, it's not.
know, you gotta hang up a sheet and run it there.
I mean, it's, you know.
I love that he's like a writer that is a shark hunter.
And of course, then his best friend is a guy who had sharks, I guess, well.

(33:22):
This it makes you wonder, like, is this common or did they just they finally were in theright place at the right time living in this town and being obsessed with sharks?
Men tend to bond over common interests.
I'll say that.
So it does that.
That fits.
Well, I also wonder with the Peter Benton character, you know, is I don't know thetimeline, but Benchley very famously learned more about sharks and what the fact that they

(33:54):
don't attack humans.
And he dedicated like the bulk of the rest of his life to whatever marine causes.
Yeah.
preservation of sharks.
And so I want and he was not a
you hunter killer, but I wonder if they, if it was known at that time, if they kind ofthrew that in here as well, although it is weird because you wind up with again, as many

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of these movies have done, like your quint is quint and your Brody is also kind of quint.
Like, do you really need quints?
don't.
You got double quint.
Yeah, the the.
You got a double quint like this podcast I listened to recently told me that it's allabout Jaws and Jaws movies that followed it, and they told me that after Jaws was such a

(34:42):
success that people went and killed a bunch of sharks.
I don't know if you guys know that podcast, but in any case, we're all on it.
um But yeah.
Yeah, apparently like after Jaws is such a huge success and they all started peoplestarted like killing sharks crazy.
So I think that's why he was like, god, what have I done?
What have I rocked?

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I can, I can donate just a small amount of that jaws money to helping.
A small amount because I'm definitely going to hold on to it most of it.
The other thing I thought was interesting here was that as the wife is coming home, like Iwas looking at it, I'm like, this really looks like the United States.
And it turns out all of the location work was done in around Savannah, Georgia.

(35:28):
like I just like some of the stuff at sea was shot on Malta.
Like I just thought, this really looks like the US.
It's not Sardinia for Florida or something like that.
It's it's it feels like it feels like America.
Castellari and also Diodato both are guys that didn't mind shooting or enjoyed liking theyliked to go to America and shoot their movies.

(35:51):
yeah.
I love when Italians work in America.
It's it's it's always you know, they don't lose their sensibilities, but they get to do iton our shores.
uh
No, agreed.
Absolutely.
And the dead giveaway is the lack of flags everywhere telling you where you are becausethey don't feel the need to do it.
If they if they're shooting somewhere else for America, like every room will have willhave an American flag of the state like everything all like a lot of.

(36:20):
We do as we do always in this country
know, they do kind of nail it that way, they?
Well, it's funny because speaking of flags, I had a note about flags I was going to bringup later just as it happens, because when we get to the regatta, you do see some American
flags, because it's, know, but you also see a whole lot of Confederate flags.

(36:42):
It's a regatta, Chris!
Of course you're gonna see flags!
It's a regatta!
You gotta bring flags to a regatta!
both American and Confederate flags apparently as well, and I just said, oh, well, that's,that's something I
That's America!
It's so weird because at the regatta in the next movie I saw a confederate flag too.

(37:06):
Funny how that's like maybe that's just a regatta flag.
Like that's so odd.
so strange, because they were definitely two different regattas, there's no doubt about
I mean, it's your your you know
Throwing footage of one regatta and making a brand new regatta and just editing it indifferent ways to make another regatta, that would be great!

(37:27):
Yeah, I mean they're gonna stage a fresh regatta.
Why wouldn't you?
Why wouldn't you want to put your own stamp on, on regatta on the regatta?
Yeah.
You gotta have the fresh.
And finally, I get to stage MY regatta.
No, wait, my vision, my vision of the regatta.
Absolutely.
So very soon, Peter's daughter, Jenny, comes home and she's asking for her father's helpto find her friend, Mike Patterson, who has gone missing on the ocean, which means Peter

(37:57):
is not going to be able to go to the regatta planning meeting with his wife.
Instead, he's going to throw on his nylon jacket and head out to sea.
Guys, this movie has a lot.
of nylon jackets.
a lot.
A lot of tan.
Tan and blue.
Tannin' Blue, like he's got, I think it's LaSalle, he's got a LaSalle logo on him.

(38:18):
I'm like, oh, there you go.
Yeah.
But here we're introduced to William Wells.
Now William Wells is the big man in town.
He owns some kind of business that would necessitate putting his name on the side of ahelicopter and he's the mayor and he's running for, as one character will put it, state
governor.

(38:39):
Like state.
That's we say it.
That's how we all say it.
It's the dialogue manifestation of the Inglorious Bastards meme with Michael Fassbenderholding up the wrong three fingers.
That's how we say it this country.
No, he was elected state governor before he was Franklin Delano Roosevelt was stategovernor before he was president.
We're gonna have a people are gonna be running for state governor

(39:01):
It's be it's gonna be a madhouse it'll be uh
good state governor race.
Yeah.
So I'm excited for who will be the next state governor, because that's how we say it.
I know.
will not be the state governor and that's William Wells.
I will tell you why, because I actually think that the actor, we said his name earlier,Joshua Sinclair is really good in this movie.

(39:25):
actually, think he's very good, but here's the thing.
He does not look like any American politician I've ever seen.
Like the look is just raw.
Like even for the seventies or early eighties,
Like he's got this longish graying hair, he's got a mustache.
No American politician styles himself like that.

(39:46):
He looks like the entertainment director of the Stardust Hotel and Casino in Las Vegascirca 1979.
Yeah, he's like a cruise ship director.
He's not a governor.
He's not a state governor.
No, he's not a
governor.
I'm sorry, I'm gonna say something here that might be controversial.
okay.
Well, so we should make some news.

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Mayor William Wells is the far superior mayor.
there's no question.
Now, does he, does he get the job done?
Absolutely not.
No, man tries.
He tries and tries.
And it actually, I think does make for a slightly more interesting, uh, the towns tryingto keep going because he won't shut down, but he does try to take measures that while

(40:34):
crazy, you might.
say in the world of this movie, you're like, well, you are trying to do stuff.
Crazy and unsuccessful.
But, know, I mean, trying counts for something.
I don't give a shit what Yoda says.
Like trying matters.
Yeah, I mean, he understands that this town and his state governorship, they all need asafe regatta in order for it to happen.

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We've requested special shark proof netting.
Shark proof netting.
proof netting guys and he brought the scuba team and they set it all up
hired more boats than Hamer asked for.
Like it was just, it was like, oh, you need 10.
Oh, we'll do 12.
Like, you know, he's not cheaping out on it.

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No, he is like, we will keep this safe and we'll have a safe regatta.
And then I will coast into the state governorship because that's what a great regatta willget you.
bringing his campaign manager who looks like a sleazier version of him.
It was like, are you so cooler?

(41:44):
It was really unsettling.
Like, he's got longer hair and a bigger mustache.
a shot of him outside of like the state building or whatever it is that there, you know,and he's like looking out and you see the picture of wells behind him.
You're like, is that him?
Is he the same guy?
Yeah.
It's like, what is, why do you see?
And then you go in and you see the actual wells and you're like, why do they look sosimilar?

(42:08):
What are doing?
I had the same note.
I was just like, they look so alike, I was confusing them.
They dress-
alike, they both wear tan, it's like very confusing.
The campaign manager actually looks like a younger version of Grandpa Joe from Willy Wonkaand the Chocolate Factory.
I found it a little upsetting.

(42:28):
Let's just say this.
The dude is wearing a mesh shirt under his blazer.
He's rocking it.
mean, guy's rocking it.
But Wells, Wells is a big deal.
Like he is a big deal.
And you know how I know he's a big deal?
Because he is sponsored by both Coke and Pepsi.
Yeah, the choice of all generations.

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Pepsi signs all over the headquarters as well as a sign for Coke, Fresca and Tab, whichwould have been my mother's triumvirate in the three in the early eighties.
We would have had all three in stock in the house circa 1982.
Oh man, that's a uh salt on your taste buds.

(43:11):
Well, you gotta remember they were throwing that money around cause you're right smack inthe middle of the cola wars.
Rock and roll of the cola wars for sure.
The way for Billy Joel to end that song and, know, gotta just sum up the last part of theeighties in one lyric.
you were gonna run for state governorship, you need all the votes.
You don't just need the Pepsi votes.
You don't need just choice of a new generation, you want to be the choice of an oldgeneration.

(43:35):
You need all the votes.
All the votes.
You need everybody.
You can't split and pick one side of the Cola Wars and think you're gonna win.
No, no.
We're also introduced to TV journalist Bob Martin.
Oh, man.
Played by Giancarlo Preti.
And I say journalist.
That's a loose term here because he also seems to be working for Wells and crafting hiscampaign ads, which feels like it would be at odds with being a journalist.

(44:01):
But it's interesting because this character is something we touched on previously in theseries, particularly with Grizzly, the 80s trope of
It's the journalists that are the real problem.
And we see that starting to emerge with Grizzly.
But in this movie, it's in full swing.
Because this guy is actively trying to get people eaten by sharks on camera for his owncareer ambition.

(44:24):
He's always like, are you filming this?
You better be filming this!
People are dying out there!
Film it!
Like he's just, he's in his own parallel movie about his network ambitions andoccasionally it intersects.
It's interesting that you were saying Rob how we have two quints because I feel like wealso have two mayors.
You know, we have our mayor slash, you know, presumptive governor.

(44:50):
And then like, we also have the journalist and we have like two guys that were like,actually William Wells, I'm a little bit more like, am I against him?
We're definitely against the reporter guy for sure.
He's the big jerk and he's our end moment.
And even he ends up being, but like,
Well, it feels like they're splitting the mayor, the evil mayor of Jaws, into two guys.

(45:12):
We really, we have three quints because like you have Quint Quint, then you have BrodyQuint, and now you have Mayor Quint.
Yeah.
Like, cause he kind of takes things matters into his own hands.
We'll get to it.
You know, it's...
does.
Peter meets up with our first Quint character, Hammer, who has found a piece of Mike'swindsurf board.

(45:33):
Now there's a couple of things here, guys.
First of all, the piece of the board is so thick.
Like it's just...
And second,
The bite pattern.
No creature on earth.
It's like around three sides.
how does it, what, like my wife watched this movie with me and was just like, what, whatam I looking at?

(45:58):
Why is it around three sides?
I don't know.
It's, it's crazy.
Yeah, and it doesn't look like it was bitten by a shark, but it looks if it was bitten bysomething that's bitten by it's a very frightening what it could be, but I don't think
it's a
It looks like it was bitten by something that would be in Dungeons and Dragons.
Like it's just.
I just instantly knew that the shark likes the crust, so it was going around.

(46:23):
It was going around me.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, no, he's not.
He's not cutting the cross off this shark.
He's just, he's just biting them.
so, you know, Peter and Hamer and they're, they're on this boat.
keep calling him Hamer cause it's one M and it keeps throwing me off in my notes.
It's hammer, I wanted to mention why I'm doing that.

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So Rob doesn't have to cut it later.
It's, you know, it's just, like,
You
This shark, Peter and Hammer are on the boat, they're talking and what they don't know isthe shark is just below the water listening.
And like we, I pretty described the shark in Jaws as a slasher, but at least it wasbehaving like a shark.

(47:12):
It was eating people because it was hungry.
This shark is more like the bear from Grizzly.
It's just killing for sport and sometimes not even eating its victims.
It just like knocks people in the water just for the hell of it.
It's amazing.
This shark just may simply be against a regatta.
they had held the regatta, it wouldn't have been, you know, wouldn't have been a thing.

(47:35):
That's where you get rid of your shark problems because sharks hate regattas.
Yeah, they're not into it.
It's unnatural to their sensibility.
don't understand the rules not that we do I don't know wrong no to a degree but
Yeah.
they, bring the chewed up board to the mayor and suit after that, an empty boat is foundby the coast guard and they search the boat and they find an arm in the boat, not the rest

(48:05):
of the body, just the arm.
that's weird guys.
that just, would leave the, like did the shark bite it and then spit it back?
still think this is the one that actually, it was actually dynamite fishing.
I really don't believe like you just dynamite fishing and they, shark is like, listen, Idid all these others, but I didn't do that.

(48:27):
Yes.
This is the one.
Yeah.
Well, it to Rob's point, if he if this shark likes the crust, he's going to like the arms.
He's going to eat the arms and legs.
Those are his favorite parts.
It wouldn't spin it back.
wouldn't, you know, it's like, Oh, this, this human tastes like menthols and aquavelva orsomething.

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So, with the possibility, but not a certainty of a shark being out there, as we mentionedearlier, the mayor actually does something that separates him from his jaws counterpart.
He refuses to cancel the windsurfing regatta because God, you know what?
We're not going to give up our freedoms.
You know?
Yeah.
But he takes precautions.

(49:08):
Gentlemen, there is absolutely no need for you to worry about me allowing anything tohappen to my town.
More than ample security measures have been taken to protect the wind surface.
This section of the bay has been completely closed off by special shark proof netting,which extends from here to here.

(49:30):
Borders will be placed along these strategic points and boats with our men aboard
will be anchored outside the netting here, here, and here.
So the actual triangle in which the regatta takes place will be 100 % safe.
Gentlemen, absolutely nothing.

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nets, hires boats.
Like he makes a really detailed model, a 3D model of the whole area.
And it's amazing.
How do you have time for that?
Honestly.
When you hire the right people, you know, that's the main thing you want to hire.
Yeah, it's it.

(50:14):
You really want to get I think in some of the movies we have discussed together on thispodcast, we it's not the first time that it's been very important to have uh a perfect
scale model of what you're doing.
And if you mess that up, you might as well just forget everything.
You know, you got to hire somebody that knows how to make those models.

(50:35):
You got it.
Yeah, that's what was the problem with the Parmistan and Gymkhana is that their modelsweren't as good, know, like that's a striker nose.
JT is going to get the right model.
That's right.
You get the right model and treasure the four crowns.
You know that the net now you can go.
You now you can have, you know, the plan because you have a perfect model.

(50:57):
I mean, it's just that simple, guys.
So the regatta goes on and people are on the beach, they're having a good time, there'slot of horny teenagers in sleeping bags.
There's so much slow motion running down the beach that I have to imagine that this was aninspiration, at least partially, for Baywatch.
Especially one girl running in a bikini where her boob is coming out.

(51:20):
Yeah, no, no, I saw that.
did.
was, you know, that was, mean, now that makes it sound pervy, but it was just right there.
It was just, it was just happening.
It's that's what they used all of the running.
This was.
Keep that in.
Don't remove that.
Because the Italians did note the one thing that Jaws was missing, which was half nakedyoung people.

(51:42):
was.
You know, now upon further reflection, that's true.
I mean, we didn't talk about that as much in when we covered Jaws, but you know, in thelight of hindsight, of 50 years hindsight, now I can see it.
If that's why it's not quite a perfect film.
Well, that's the one thing it's missing.

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It's a, but nevertheless, they put down these nets and, the shark busts through thatanti-shark net, although nobody knows it.
He gets like a pink buoy attached to him, which is this film's version of the yellowbarrels, but decidedly less ominous because it's pink.
It's also done in about 0.15 seconds that that happens.

(52:28):
so should you simply be moving your eyes to the right or left of the screen at thatsecond, you will not see that that's what it is, but you will recognize the visual
language that it is ripping off.
So you are like, it's okay.
This is how these movies work.
You're keying in on things.

(52:49):
You should be keyed in on this shark biting through the net because it is like a toy sharkI think our son used to have in his bathtub.
And it's it is they use it often in this movie.
uh It's it's we haven't mentioned it, but a lot of the shark footage is just stockfootage.

(53:12):
Yes, and it switches back and forth uh regularly.
oh
They do have at least part of a shark, which is the one I mentioned goes straight into theair.
And then they also have a fake toy shark that it looks like, I think they maybe wereshooting inside a fish tank and trying.

(53:32):
And that's where you could see it sort of like eating the mesh, but it's really just, theyjust put its little toy shark mouth on the net and then just, guess, made some snips in
the cutaways.
Yeah.
We'll have an amazing moment with that toy shark in a toy boat later.
It's, mean, as far as I'll say it, they, they needed to do is bring in Antonio Margheritito do the model work on this movie because that he knew how to do that kind of stuff.

(54:01):
And, it's, it's, it's not, it's no Margheriti as far as the, as the quality of the modelwork.
the, the sweeted shots of the shark when they occur are.
I don't know why, somewhat charming to me.
there's no question.
They have their, they have their...
They are a ride.
Watching this again, I was like, you when you watch the movie and you see the stockfootage, it does not match the water.

(54:26):
Nope.
It looks very blatant.
And you start to go, oh, wow.
mean, that doesn't look that great and doesn't match very well.
And then it comes back and you're like, oh, OK, well, there it is.
And then you start going, oh, at first you're thinking, they don't have a lot of money.
Right.
Okay, I'm not going to hold that against them.

(54:47):
But then they keep using it.
I'm like, are they do they think this works?
Are they do they think they're pulling this off?
Yeah.
And then it starts just becoming hilarious because they go to it so much that you're justlike, oh, well, I mean, you got to you got to love the fact that they're like, it's all we

(55:07):
got.
We're just going to use.
If you're gonna go for it, go for it.
Go for what you got.
We're using this footage.
We don't give a shit what it looks like.
We're just putting it in there.
Right.
Deal with it.
Deal with the consequences.
And you just, I, you end up loving it.
It's a real ride.
We have to talk about something that I found.

(55:29):
It's one of the strangest things I've ever seen in any movie ever in my whole life, andI've been thinking about it ever since.
There's a scene as they're getting ready to the regatta where these two girls, they're onthe beach.
the box.
They walk up to this brightly painted box on the beach.
It's like the size of a phone booth.

(55:51):
They put a coin in and a window opens.
and an Arlo Guthrie look-alike starts singing a song.
A campaign?
He's dressed in stars and stripes and has a Wells for Governor straw hat on.
Guys, what the fuck is that?
You
I never see anything like it.

(56:11):
of all, mayor William Wells is employing local artists.
That's the kind of guy I want in the state governorship.
True.
True.
He doesn't choose sides on soda.
He employs artists He he has his family run his campaign
Yeah, his cousin in the mesh shirt.

(56:34):
I mean, this is my kind of guy.
This is my kind of state governor.
Honestly, he is the most competent authority figure in this entire series.
Like, he doesn't succeed, but damn it, he really tries.
He can't succeed, mean, but he does put things in.
It feels like they maybe were doing that on purpose.

(56:54):
Like, let's make him be slightly smarter just to like, like that would throw off anylitigation.
But our mayor wasn't a complete asshole.
Like, you know, it's like, well, still.
Our mayor had a helicopter.
It's so different.
He does so much that like even later when like things have gone badly and, and Hammer isactually like defends him like vocally at the town meeting.

(57:22):
He's, he's like, Oh, you know, nobody could have predicted a shark this big.
And he gave us an amazing regatta filled with people and windsurfing and to, I guess, when
The Regatta trophy, would presume.
And folk music in a box.

(57:49):
I've never seen anything that's just, I just don't, so.
It's pretty incredible.
People that are listening to this that are interested in local politics, of which I'm surethe Venn diagram, there's plenty.
Of course.
And I would just say, take note.
Yeah.
That's how you win a campaign.
Honestly, honestly it is.

(58:11):
So the regatta starts, but the shark makes his way and the regatta.
What I love is that the shark is not really focused on eating people, just knocking asmany people off their windsurf boards as possible.
Just chaos.
honestly, he's just knocking people off left and right.

(58:31):
uh And you know, we get one shot of the shark's fin, which appears stationary.
Like it's just.
It's just holding in the water.
It's not moving at all.
Yeah, that classic shark dead fin in the water because they always love to just pause andstop moving.
It's infamous for sharks.

(58:54):
And you get all these people in the water, they're scrambling to get out.
Who's the one victim?
The smarmy campaign manager who's out in the boat directing the regatta.
And what is the most incredible thing is so we get like this wide shot of him in the boatand then the boat and the campaign manager are launched out of the water, like 20 feet

(59:14):
into the air.
And it is, I mean, I nearly fell out of my chair.
Like I'm watching.
I'm just like, it was amazing.
There's nothing like a good dummy death in a movie.
I agree.
I adore that.
This one was a great one because it was so stiff.
had no flop to it.

(59:37):
So when the boat just flies out of the water, it goes up straight to.
attention.
He is standing at attention in that boat.
He is he's stiff as a board a wind surfing board if you will and just flies up straightHe's gonna do a screwdriver back into the water.

(59:58):
I it it was it's it's in great.
It's impressive.
Yeah, it's really impressive
This whole sequence is so satisfied as an audience member.
I can't.
And look, you know, just to get slightly whatever, like they only have the money that theyhave.
They can't show a lot.
And yet with all of that, they do so much like, just windsurfer after windsurfer eating itas the shark takes them out.

(01:00:26):
It's like protein maxing or whatever.
The launching the.
the whole platform and the dummy guy into the air.
It's like they deliver big stuff.
They do so much fun.
They do.
They really do launch that boat like high into the air.
Oh my God.
It's pretty wild.
And what I do love too, and this is something where like Spielberg obviously hid the sharkin this movie.

(01:00:51):
I wish they had hid it less.
Yeah, cause when it shows up, it's great.
And when it shows up and it's like, no movement.
It's it's almost looks like it's just a ceramic shark head that they've created.
It's very stiff.
Yeah.
And it comes out of the water for the poor campaign manager, a cousin campaign manager,and it's behind him and they like cut away.

(01:01:16):
And I'm like, I wish you had just just stayed on it just had it come out of the water moreoften.
I it.
Just just like the the the stock footage lean into it.
Yeah, lean into it.
You couldn't have shown it enough as far as I'm concerned.
Hammer and Benton, they go out for the shark, they're planning to use dynamite to blow itup.
I love that this movie skips right to the let's blow it up stage of the shark hunt.

(01:01:40):
Like we're not gonna, like we're just gonna blow it up.
eh And what I found strange is they go, they look for the shark in caves that there's noway a shark could fit in.
Why look there?
Cause you haven't been in a shark cave before?
well, I've been in Shark Cave.
mean, listen, I know Shark Cave and uh that wasn't what a...

(01:02:01):
That was not a Shark Cave.
That wasn't a real Shark Cave.
Come on.
Yeah, uh inauthentic shark game.
When it's real or when it's fake.
know my shark cave.
the shark has the soul of a prankster.
The shark has because it barricades them indicate it starts knocking rocks.

(01:02:22):
Backs up, it head butts the rocks to and it does this over and over again.
I love the shark.
sharks normally do, they go in to the rocks and then they just back out and they go backinto the rocks and they back out.
that's just, that's typical of any shark.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's how sharks move.
So sharks move.
That's how they move.

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I mean they have to use the dynamite, they got to blow themselves out of the cave.
I mean these guys were outsmarted by a shark.
Let's just be honest.
Yeah.
You're in my domain.
All right?
Said the shirt.
Yes!
Indeed, I almost heard him say it in my head.
You get this extra level of meta because this comes after the news reporter guy, theshadow mayor, if you will, was complaining about his footage that he couldn't see the

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shark and his other guy, his friends just like, use some stock footage.
A, it's like what a commentary on the movie, but then B, the big sequence after, you doget to see the shark headbutting rocks over and over again.
And it's like, give me what I want, baby.
You also get to see that boat jump again, which is just, man.

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man.
Uh, you, and that's not the footage he loves.
He does get like a shot of the shark coming up, but again, they just kind of, they justkind of bring that poor guy under the water.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he, that's not enough.
That's not enough for the local news.
You're going to get bumped.
You're going to get, you're going to get bumped for the state fair unless you really canshow.
You're not going national with that.

(01:03:56):
Come on.
Yeah, come on, man.
No one's picking up that and syndicating it.
It's not going to current affair, you know.
You're gonna be in the you're gonna be in the back half of the 11 o'clock.
Come on, man.
Good luck moving to the state Capitol to cover the new state governor.

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But Wells, Wells, you know, his he's having a conversation about all this and his son iskind of creepy son is creeping around the office.
And the son decides, along with his friends, including Benton's daughter, to go out on thedad's boat to look for the shark himself.
Like that's, we're going to do this.
And the plan.
I love this plan.

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I'm excited to be a part of it.
The plan is to lure the shark with a giant piece of raw meat.
Which admittedly is better than looking for it in caves that it can't fit.
Like they're not putting chum in the water.
They're just hanging a side of beef from the...
Yeah, they're doing some very high-end fishing.

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This is not going to be the last hunk of meat in this movie.
I'm not even sure that it's, I'm not sure it's the first hunk of meat.
I can't quite remember, but you know, who's making out during this crisis?
The butcher.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
When kids come in, like a bunch of teens come into your butcher shop and they go, we justneed about 15 pounds of beef.

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You're like, great.
Awesome.
This can't, this is just must be an epic cookout.
closing early.
I'm sure you're about to get to this, also part of their plan is to lure the shark withthis big hunk of meat and then shoot it with a
Shotgun.

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Yeah, shotgun.
Yeah, that's the plan.
It catches on apparently because we see that...
A lot of shotguns in both movies today.
Yeah.
A lot of shotguns.
Lot of like hey the best way to take out a shark is you got a load your shotgun
I mean, yeah.

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But the shark, he's going to attack the boat.
He attacks the boat from the bottom, smashes into the propeller, and it starts choppinginto the shark.
Again, all of this sounds amazing.
It's done with miniatures in a way that is equally amazing to how it sounds, but not quitein the same way.
It's extraordinary that they went with these miniatures, and it's amazing.

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Benton and Hammer, fly out and they like Wells gets his helicopter to try and rescue them.
And Jenny gets knocked into the water.
The daughter, Benton's daughter gets knocked into the water, as the, you know, inbeautiful slow motion, I might add.
And as they reach in to pull her out, the shark bites her leg right off.

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She's lost her leg.
Yeah.
that's.
There's an element of it too, like isn't that also like part of jaws too as well?
Like the kids besides like.
are in danger.
In Jaws 2.
They're like the catamaran.
Yeah, yeah, that that's Not Spielberg didn't do just do that.

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That's at least that that's that franchise's regatta, right?
for sure.
So yeah, so the Benton's daughter is now missing a leg there at the hospital and you havea scene like it's it's it's where with a doctor with the worst bedside manner comes out
telling Benton that his daughter might feel her missing leg for months or even years.

(01:07:32):
don't know how phantom leg I know phantom leg syndrome is a real thing.
I don't know if it lasts that long.
Also, thank you, but that stuff you tell me later.
Tell me how she's doing.
What do we need to do?
Not like, this will probably be an issue going on.

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mean, yeah, sure, great.
But maybe that's for the follow-up.
Tell me how she's going to live and what we can do and what does she do without the leg?
NUH-
Don't lead with the phantom Mim talk.
That's not what you lead with That's down the line

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And poor Peter gets hit with a double whammy because Julie does her best Mrs.
Voorhees impression as well.
Well, the wife won't even go in.
Like she's like, Mrs.
Benton won't even go in to see the daughter.
She's like, you go.
can't.
Like nice.
my god.
Yeah, well, it's it's brutal but not as brutal as the helicopter.

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The helicopter is a maze.
So the mayor decides to take matters into his own hands.
He's got his own helicopter.
Guys, it's got his name on the side, so I know it belongs to him.
And he flies out there.
He's got his own helicopter.
You gotta love that.
With a side of meat, he's got more meat.
The butchers are doing great.
If he had another like musician, another busker or something that was on that helicopterwith him singing one of his campaign songs, it's like, would have been the ultimate.

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Yeah, it would have so terrific.
And the shark, you he's got the meat, know, this dude, he even stop to take off his tie.
He's still doing all this in the helicopter with the tie.
And, you know, despite the fact the meat's in the water, not in the water, the shark knowsit's there.
And so like it's the shark grabs the meat and he pulls the helicopter down into the water.

(01:09:32):
It's amazing!
like, Wells falls in and he's able to grab one of the legs of copter, he's trying to pullhimself back up, and then we have what is the most sublime moment in this movie when the
shark comes off and bites both legs at the same time.
Yeah.
Holy shit.
could only dream of one phantom limb.

(01:09:54):
Phantom like honestly that dude's gonna have a phantom pelvis if he had lived like it's
He's got a phantom lower half.
Poor bastard.
mean, but he's not, he's not going to live because he falls back into the water to beeaten.
And then as if to add insult injury, it chomps the copter and pulls it into the water.

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There is a similar sequence in Jaws 2 where the shark attacks the helicopter.
I'll say this one is better.
Like if this one is, is just feels more like there's an epic quality to this that for allof, yeah, yeah, I know it's a model.
But holy shit, it's great.
And that's the thing is if you're not going to have the money, don't be respectable, crazyshit and entertain me.

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And the last shot delivers.
God damn it.
It absolutely does.
It absolutely does.
Meanwhile, Bob Martin has got, he was in his own little movie.
He's had his cameraman go out and get more meat.
mean, the guys, the guys selling meat in, in port Harbor, South Bay.
are having a great week.

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In this case, it's specifically horse spare ribs.
They say it's a horse spare.
yes, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah,
And I gotta ask, is there much call for that regularly?
Like is that something people are regularly ordering?
Like the you have it in stock.
you know, what kind of butcher do you get that from?

(01:11:23):
Like, I don't it's not at Ralph's.
I can tell you that.
Maybe, I don't know, is it Kirkland brand?
It's something, but Giant Hunks of Meat are the last shark's J &B scotch.
They are clearly sponsoring this movie somehow.
and Bob has his mustachioed cameraman tie these horse ribs to the dock underwater in hopesof attracting a shark.

(01:11:48):
Okay, let's get to work on the camera.
It's sure worth a try.
I'm gonna bring that king-sized killer shark in the millions of living room.
...away to the network with my star camera.
Guys, I think that violates journalistic ethics, at least as far as I understand them.
Like that's...
yet, it is very effective.

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It is very effective.
Benton and Hammer, they go out, they find the remains of the helicopter.
Hammer insists on being the one to dive down with the dynamite belt, but of course theshark is there.
We have a prolonged underwater sequence where it's very difficult to tell what'shappening.
It's very difficult to see through the murkiness.
um

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gets tangled in a line and the shark takes off dragging hammer with him and leaving Bentonbehind.
So now I just want to get through that because it's a lot of time and it's very murky.
It's a very murky
And it's, yeah, it's very hard to stave the logistics of it don't know play out cleanly.

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I was saying it and I was like, this doesn't make a goddamn lick of sense.
I mean, like I wrote it and I'm just like, I can't.
But here's where the movie takes what I thought was its strangest turn.
Because just as our first quint has apparently been killed, and we've said this movie'sgot at least three quints, the movie's going to introduce another quint with 10 minutes

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left to go.
Because Bob Martin has brought his own shark hunter.
to kill the creature on camera so Bob can go to network.
And this Quint is dressed like a cowboy.
He's got the hat.
He's got eagle feathers on his denim jacket.
Cowboy Quint is amazing.
He's very full of himself.

(01:13:35):
He's like, he's like, uh, you know, in, in alligator, he's like Henry Silva's character inalligator, but more stoic.
Yeah.
Yeah, he is a great addition and he's a he's a he's an Italian actor, uh an Italian uhstuntman.
OK, much like the uh most of the like all the guys that are on Bob Martin's crew are likestuntmen that eventually they would also like do little roles and tons of like, uh you

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know, Italian movies.
If you watch enough Italian movies, you've seen these guys like a thousand times.
Sure.
So.
uh One of the guys is Masamovani, he's the guy who plays the cameraman.
He's great.
I mean, what a mustache on that guy.
Romano Pupo, he is the guy who is the guy on the cowboy hat.
he's, you know, been in, I mean, Robo War, you know, all the, you know, classic.

(01:14:32):
I was gonna say the classics.
That's absolutely the right word.
The classics.
The classics!
I mean Severin yeah has hooked everyone up who wants these movies on hand at all times andI do yeah, there's no question so
What am I doing tonight?
It's, you know, it's, knows?

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So there's a bunch of people on this pier that the horse spare ribs are tied to, includingthe cameraman, cowboy Quint, Wells creepy son, Mrs.
Benton, and the shark just grabs that meat and he tears part of the pier off.
So you have like a dozen people on this wooden platform out in the water.
And Bob Martin is so excited to watch these people get eaten.

(01:15:21):
You oh
Like he's on the headset and the cameraman is like, call the Coast Guard.
And he's like, yeah, call them immediately.
He's like, I'm going to watch them die and I'm going to get this great footage.
Honestly, who's the real villain here, the shark or Bob Mar- Bob!
It's Bob!
Bob!
Yeah, 100 % it's Bob.
The shark comes up next to the detached pier, the head is on like a 90 degree angle fromthe rest of the body, which is amazing.

(01:15:46):
what I'm saying.
It goes straight.
The nose just goes straight up straight up how they do that And that's how smart the sharkis.
Yeah, it's incredible
Uh, he- bites the cameraman in half at the pelvis, like he- you know, that's- that guy's-he's got another- a phantom lower half.
I- I'm a noob!
TO HOOK THE RIBS UP TO YOU!

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me?
I'm on your side!
But he has a backup cameraman, Bob Martin.
He does.
He's already got another guy still filming.
It's crazy.
Then Benton shows up in his boat and he rescues everybody again.
He gets stuck on the pier, so we have him out there in his very red wetsuit trying tofight off the shark with a piece of wood.

(01:16:29):
And he sees that Hammer's body is still entangled with the shark, so he grabs the body,still wearing the dynamite belt, sticks it in the shark's mouth, grabs the detonator,
blows his head clean off.
then, you know, that's, like, it just literally have the...
the model of the shark losing its head, by the way.
Yeah.

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Another amazing, amazing shot.
And, uh you know, we have one final bit with as Bob Martin tries to interview Benton.
And guys, a precursor to the final scene of Die Hard, a few years later, Benton punchesMartin out on live television.
it's like this is I have no doubt that this was a scene that inspired the end of Die Hard.

(01:17:11):
And they get into a car and drive off of a place where they store boats and there is noone else.
oh
Those boats are stored very high, I didn't know you could stack them that high.
Yeah, there's like two or three levels or whatever and they're just like and off we go.
And off we go.
this guy and off we go.
Yeah.
And to let it, they don't have a Christmas Carol playing at the end, but you know, thatwould come in the diehard iteration.

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movie would have been amazing.
It really would have been if they played a Christmas movie or a Christmas song that wouldthat would have been
a Christmas paradeal in my house, that's for sure.
should
What do you want to throw out?
Scrooged or the last shark?
She's gonna say Scrooged.
I know that.
Yeah, she's gonna say no screws.

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Why would I watch last year?
What's wrong with you?
We should mention a little bit about this film's release here, Stuart.
It came out in Europe in the spring of 1981 and it did pretty well.
And it was picked up for a US release by Edward L.
Montoro's Film Ventures International.
Now, listeners will recall Montoro as the producer behind two William Gerdler films fromepisode three, Grizzly and Day of the Animals.

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And Film Ventures released
This in the United States in March of 1982 under the title Great White.
Now, as we mentioned back in when we discussed Piranha, that Universal considered suing toprevent the release of that film on the basis that it was too similar to Jaws, but were
dissuaded by Steven Spielberg.

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But in the case of Great White, Universal went ahead and sued and the film was pulled fromtheaters after about a month.
And the loss that film ventured suffered
may have contributed to Montoro's 1984 disappearance.
If you remember, Edward Montoro vanished in 1984 and nobody knows where he is.

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Honestly, Edward, we'd love to hear from you.
If you're out there and you're listening to this podcast, we admire your work and we feelyou were wronged with great weight.
I don't think this, I mean, this is clearly a jaws knockoff.
but like, there's like, the influence is clear, but like, it's not, I don't feel like alawsuit is act, like there are differences.

(01:19:30):
It doesn't take actual dialogue.
It certainly doesn't take actual footage.
I mean, like I get that it's, it's not, I mean, Grizzly is, follows the beats of Jaws asmuch as this movie does, maybe more so.
It just has a bear.
Like, and the only thing I can think of is that Universal knew it had Jaws 3 coming outthe following year, so they were trying to protect that franchise.

(01:19:56):
Honestly, it doesn't deserve it.
I would love to work in that court when they're like, well, let's go see Jaws and The LastShark.
We can really get into the evidence here.
Yeah.
Like figure out what this is.
Imagine being that judge and having that, that'd be amazing.
Uh, and there's something to this too.

(01:20:17):
Um, I don't know if you have this book, uh, darkening the Italian screen by EugenioUrquilán.
And they have, they talked to Enzo G Castellari and he says part of what would have savedthem was that when he was working on the shark hunter, he got, they started working on the
idea of this because, Roman Bravo, he was a writer and he was an under camera.

(01:20:44):
uh, cameraman and he had come up with a story that they used for this.
Now they had written Enzo G.
Castellari, they, and, um, Vincenzo Manino, they, they developed this idea, but so theydidn't give Ramon Bravo credit.
And so it's his, uh, it's his idea that like, had the producers actually given him andmade a contract and paid him Ramon.

(01:21:11):
then um none of it would have happened.
They wouldn't have had the movie pulled and all that because Ramon had written a storybefore Spielberg's movie came out.
So if they had just paid Ramon, they would have been able to stay.
And he was saying that it was doing extremely well in the U.S.
So they would have been able to just continue to keep the movie in theaters.

(01:21:33):
That's crazy.
You got to pay everybody.
You got to pay your writers folks.
That's there.
There's the lesson that is pay your writers.
like Universal's litigiousness towards the film hasn't subsided.
Like the new Beverly theater here in Los Angeles tried to screen it like in 2008 and theycouldn't do it.
Like they were, they weren't able to do it.

(01:21:54):
like, and listen, we've watched a lot of movies on this podcast that would be consideredknockoffs, but I genuinely can't say that the last shark is any more egregious than any
number of movies that we've watched for this show.
No, you know, like it's not.
It's.
Come on.
I mean, how many shark movies have regattas?

(01:22:14):
Yes, with windsurfing with windsurfing, but I am not a copyright lawyer, but I've, youknow, looked at things a little bit because it does affect me and my living.
And I know one of or two points that are part of it in lay persons terms, because that'sall I can do is that will there be confusion in the marketplace?

(01:22:37):
Right.
And
Will you, can you demonstrate that your, you know, in this case, your film Jaws wouldsuffer from the competition?
I don't think you can say yes to either of those questions.
Like seriously in a court of law.
No, no, absolutely not.
I mean, it's nowhere near as egregious in terms of genuine copyright infringement than oursecond film today.

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From 1995.
This is cruel jaws.

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This place, is a time.
Guys, the Jaws 5 cover, the Jaws, that is, goodness, the Blu-ray with the Jaws 5 cover,that's gonna put one of your kids through college.

(01:23:48):
Like, that's worth money.
Yeah, yeah, I put it.
I put it up on.
I put this one up in it because it has just five on the spot.
So it goes after draws four that's.
So is that how you have it on the shelf?
Yeah, that's right.
It has jaws the revenge here and then jaws five goes right right right there

(01:24:09):
Amazing.
Amazing.
I had not seen Cruel Jaws until this week.
I have to say.
This was my first time.
That is music to my ears.
love- oh, that's wonderful.
I am so happy that that is the case.
Put it simply, cruel Jaws makes the last shark look like Jaws.

(01:24:31):
Yup.
That's, that's what we're talking about.
Despite the fact that they got Hulk Hogan to star in this thing for the, I don'tunderstand.
The dude who is in this movie for people out there listening is not literally Hulk Hogan,but this dude is a dead ringer for Hulk Hogan.
He's got the mustache.
He's got the, you know, it's, it's, it's a maze.

(01:24:52):
I think that's what he was in.
I think he was like, that's what he did.
Personator?
Yeah, I think so.
And a damn good one!
Yeah!
mean-
Because he looks exactly like whole cocaine If he can do it slight approximation of thevoice Yeah, great job, thanks for coming to the kids birthday party here's your money

(01:25:15):
For goodness sake.
Yeah.
Like just tear off the shirt and there you go.
Like this is all you need.
The first thing we should say about Cruel Jaws is that it literally makes use of footagefrom previous shark movies, including the first three Jaws movies.
I don't think I saw anything from Jaws the Revenge, but it could have been slipped inthere.
uh As well as the movie we just discussed, The Last Shark and a 1989 film called DeepBlood, which uh we have not had.

(01:25:41):
The Dogemano movie.
Yeah.
Yeah, mostly it's all the stuff around the pier and putting the bombs out to take out theshark.
Yeah.
Which if you watch Deep Blood, they go underwater and set these explosives for about halfan hour.
So if that's some titillating footage, then you are going to have a good time.

(01:26:05):
Holy shit, that's something to look forward to for Volume 2.
You
Yeah, there you go.
Here's the thing about about Krill Jaws is that the the ripping off of the footage makesit unique.
I mean, it's like I've never to that degree, but that's not just like the movie itself.
The stuff they actually shot for this movie is so just it's the weirdest thing.

(01:26:31):
It's like it feels like the room goes to Sea World.
It's, was thinking of this because I love this movie so much and it is, you look at likeItalian films and they obviously would take trends much like Corman would do and you would
make your own version.
And Bruno Mattei is one of my absolute favorite Italian directors and he was so shamelessthat he's like, I'm not going to just rip off Jaws.

(01:26:59):
I'm going to rip off a rip off of Jaws 2 as a matter of fact.
Yeah.
and just craft my own movie.
And the way he gets into some of the footage he's already going to do.
It's so like just chef's kiss.
Well done.
I don't want to skip around, but like the way he gets into the footage of the helicopteras he takes the cop, who then suddenly shows up with the helicopter with a jacket on and

(01:27:30):
then inside the jacket, he zips off the jacket.
Revealing the shirt and tie he would need to match William Wells.
It's like, and he's been in every other scene in his policeman's uniform.
But for some reason, ah it makes zero sense.
He has to get into a shirt and tie under a jacket in order to fight the shark and end up.

(01:27:55):
And so they can use that, that helicopter footage.
The way that they get into it.
They open up the movie with those, black and red uh scuba outfits that we see at the tailend.
And it's just, he is so masterful of ripping off someone else's, literally ripping offsomeone else's work.

(01:28:18):
It's, it's, it's a thing of beauty.
way he shoots stuff that he actually shot for this, that he's not matching.
Sometimes he shoots it in that same style.
like early on when you've got the little girl talking with other people and they're on thesame, you know, uh, pure or whatever at the, at the, at the aquarium park thing, but it's

(01:28:39):
shot as if they were, you know, actors on set weeks apart in completely differentlocations, but they are in the same location.
But it gives that feel that,
He needs for matching all the other stuff.
it's like a house style for this movie.
It's really something.
And the way they craft the story to use this foot, like the way it just at ease and turnsto use this footage.

(01:29:07):
I mean, we talked about what is known as uh Turkish Star Wars in our Star Wars series, theman who saves the world.
there you're really just using footage from Star Wars as like a backdrop.
for these guys flying in space.
And then when they go down to the planet, it's its own thing.
It's bizarre, but it's its own thing.
Here, like the crafting of the narrative to use as much existing footage as possible, itis fascinating.

(01:29:36):
Like it is just fascinating.
mean, so instead of the end of the last shark where they're going and scuba diving andgetting knocked or locked into the shark cave because the shark is that that's starting
this They start it that way and it's It's it's really incredible.

(01:29:57):
I love that they decided to also mix in like this This like this this tiny like
You know, speaking of SeaWorld, it's its own little water park that is not paying therent.
Except for...
We have to like, oh, we got a month left and I how that resolves itself.

(01:30:21):
I'm not 100 % but like that that we have this sort of like, we're just trying to keep thewater park alive.
And they really did shoot it.
The theater of the sea in the Florida Keys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They really shot it in and they, yeah.
And, uh, Isla Morata.
you wear it, know, the guy who's the, uh, the Hulk Hogan, uh, he is a, I guess animpersonator or was at the time he wears that hat.

(01:30:50):
yes, I mean, yeah.
I mean, it's like borrows from Jaws three.
Borrow, it borrows from all of them.
It takes from the whole franchise.
The whole thing.
like, at me.
I'm stealing from your entire franchise.
And not only that, from other people that did this before me.
that they would have the temerity to release it in some markets as Jaws 5.

(01:31:15):
Amazing.
But they're somehow still have room to mix in elements like it's like one crazy summer andBenji like with the kid with the seal.
Like it's it's got so much in this.
But my god, I don't know how, but I do know how the park resolved at the end.
It's kind of genius.

(01:31:35):
Well, it's because they get the reward!
Yeah, they killed the shark, so the bad guy has to give them the hundred grand.
Right.
Of course, of course.
Until the next month.
And then what are they going to do the next month?
Exactly.
then things will picked up, you know.
There'll be another regatta and everything will be fine.
I what the

(01:31:56):
as well it's the same like it's hilarious like ten years later to have more Americanstalking about a regatta and just knowing they're using the exact same footage and trying
to make it look like just outside of this water park the sea life park I should say thatthey're having this regatta it's it it's unbelievable we also they fill this movie with

(01:32:22):
some of the biggest assholes
No, no The characters in this are fantastic.
my god oh
sent her around Marine biologist Bill and his girlfriend Vanessa and she is upset thatlast year he left her to go chase killer whales, but he promises this year will be

(01:32:47):
different and they'll be discoing till dawn, but he needs to stop off at the town ofHampton Bay to see his friend Dag Sorensen and his family who operate this discount
SeaWorld.
we're treated to dolphins.
I thought he was saying death.
Like I fought for a while.
It's like, oh, is this his father?
Like you say dad, it's Dagg.

(01:33:09):
And, and, uh, you know, we get dolphins.
We got our first real surprise in the movie when Dagg picks his daughter up out of thedolphin pool and puts her down in a wheelchair.
it seems there was an accident recently that took the life of Dagg's wife and, and hisdaughter's ability to walk, which leads him to make this statement.
Terrible thing, alright.

(01:33:30):
In split second, I lost everything.
I lost my wife, my will to live.
Most of all, Suzy's smile.
She'll never be able to walk again.
Fortunately, she's a strong kid and here at the aquarium she's found some reason to live.
She'll never be able to walk again.
Fortunately, here at the aquarium, she's found some reason to live.

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Some reason to live?
Holy shit, man!
Like, is harsh!
called Raisin the Stakes.
We've got to, we have to save this Marine Life Park.
It's her.
Live.
It's a reason to live.
I mean, saving the cat is for amateurs.

(01:34:13):
We got to save this girl.
It's gonna save the girl!
And listen, I don't generally criticize bad acting on the show.
Like that's not really our focus here, but holy shit.
Like you can hear people waiting to give their lines.
You could see them literally.
Waiting you almost see their their mouth move.

(01:34:33):
I'm most like waiting for the other line to be said Yeah, but it yeah, it is definitelysome amateur acting and of course like the fact is is that you know?
Bruno Matei didn't speak much English at all.
I'm a translator.
They're pretty much all American actors here So, you know local Floridians.
Yeah, who did not move on to a lot other projects because of course this never gets reallyseen right but uh

(01:35:00):
I call a troll 2 situation.
Like that's, know, you had an Italian director, you had, it's,
Local actors, in Troll 2, the lead actor is like a dentist.
Our lead is a Hulk Hogan impersonator.
you know, it's magic though, this movie.

(01:35:21):
It is.
No, it's like this was the first time I watched it.
It will not be the last.
It is so it is it is really truly like Italian filmmaking at its finest, ripping everyoneoff, including his own countrymen.
Barely putting together any sort of a story around it.

(01:35:42):
And what he does is just goofy and silly and delightful.
Like I adore this movie.
Yeah.
The police chief, Francis, police chief Francis shows up with an order to evict from thetown bigwig Samuel Lewis due to unpaid rent.
Yeah, just doing this guy's bidding, he is a police- You're delivering this, that's notyour job.

(01:36:08):
any community, that's not your job.
Dag has two sons that don't look anything or sound anything like him.
Nothing like it.
like they stepped out of an episode of Jersey Shore.
I still don't know how Bill knows any of these people, but what I do know is that Vanessa,his girlfriend is going to be pissed when she learns that her boyfriend is preparing to

(01:36:30):
spend 18 months at sea.
Hey Billy, how's your research going?
Pretty good.
This winter I'm sailing on the Cutty Shark.
The Cutty Shark.
That's right, that floating madhouse for fish freaks.
Scientific research.
18 months at sea.
And the scene where she eventually dumps him

(01:36:52):
is one of the greatest scenes in movie history.
my god.
You talk about acting not being up to snuff.
Well, you're wrong about that, Satan.
Because that's some of the best acting.
She was really acting.
No, she was acting so hard.
She did all the acting.
All the acting got used.
She mentions, what do I have to do, have gills?

(01:37:14):
She says, what do I have to do, have gills?
And she mimes gills.
she did.
She put her hands on her neck.
And then comes off and hooks up with the biggest asshole in the entire film, simplybecause he's interested in science.

(01:37:35):
Well, he's gonna be spending 18 months at sea on the Cuddy Shark!
my god, it's yeah, I, the Italians just made magic.
just, they just took magic.
They distilled it into cinematic forms.
And just, it's, it's, it's unbelievable.
It's such a feast.
shark a floating madhouse for fish freaks is how he describes it and first of all I wantto say he says it like it's something everybody knows like the cutty shark is a household

(01:38:10):
name
Yeah, like we all get it.
Sure.
And of course, this is, this is just one of the first instances of them, not just, theysteal footage, but they just borrow dialogue from Jaws, often tweaked.
Hooper was going on the Aurora.
And one of the divers from the opening is found on the beach uh where, you know, likethat's, sort of puts the idea that a shark is maybe on the, you know, in the waters near,

(01:38:36):
near Hampton Bay and the snap close up on this like,
this body that is is is just like dissolving and real like it's pure Italian zombie horrorlike
I am just so happy that you guys got to see this movie and you hadn't seen it before.

(01:38:59):
The first time I saw this movie it was just unbelievable.
I also have the, I gave it to my wife, she's still reading it, but we have thenovelization.
That's amazing.
The novel is that you're like, my wife watched this movie with me and was fascinated bythe fact she watched the last shark as well.
And it was just like, wait, what, what's going on?
Honestly, that your wife is reading the novelization is maybe I got to, I gotta get thenovelization and get my wife to read it.

(01:39:26):
Whereas I enjoy being married.
And so I watched this alone in a cave because
Hehehehehe
That's where I'm at.
Yeah.
Yeah.
God.
oh I mean, I, I, I, yeah, I, I, I just can't get over how much this, this movie, uh, I, Idon't even know what, what market was this for?

(01:39:58):
I know he bought the footage, I'm sure, because last shark was, was, had been around foralready.
It's like been 10 years.
and like it didn't get to play in a lot of different markets.
Did he think he was going to crack the American market with this one?
Like, called it.
This is another situation where you can't.
He called it Jaws.

(01:40:19):
You can't and you can't call it that in the US.
You can try to call it that in other territories.
like, right.
What were you?
What were you even thinking you were going to do here?
This was 95, right?
95.
So that's, that is in the age of you make any movie and throw it on DVD or in VHS andyou're making, it's a little early for the big, big DVD boom, like, could see where you

(01:40:46):
think you're going to make some.
VHS is going to play in, you know, the video story, local video.
Hey, cruel jaws.
must be jaws five.
There we go.
Clearly a madman.
Yes.
And yeah, I mean, Matei is like a guy who's done tons of that stuff, because like RoboWar, which I mentioned before, like that was his.
And that one is like ripping off mostly Predator, but also just like a little bit ofRoboCop in a way.

(01:41:12):
If you've not seen that, including a sequence in that movie where much like in Predator,they just fire their guns, but they into the jungle and they fire their guns in the jungle
for so long.
So so long and it is every time I watch it I I'm I'm I can't control how much joy They'rejust firing Constantly into the jungle.

(01:41:39):
It's it's just he the Matei had truly no scruples and He would would do anything and Ilove him for it
will eventually cover Robo War on a potential series that I have in mind where it's moviesthat rip off two movies at the same time.
Get Me Another, this and that.

(01:42:01):
I have a locked in the Get Me Another headquarters down in the subterranean layer.
On the master list, we have some of those movies.
And he also did Shocking Dark 2, which was literally released as Terminator 2 beforeTerminator 2 comes out.
But is mostly aliens?

(01:42:22):
Right.
Right.
Just the guy was just a master.
There should be film courses on his work.
Well.
I mean that only half sarcastically.
mean, it's never too late.
know, we could start one on the internet.

(01:42:43):
That would be, hey, come, come.
It would just be great.
Yeah, exactly, master class.
Masterclass, yeah.
So there is a shark, they do it autopsy, they spend, you know that stuff that people puton under their nose so they don't gag in the autopsy?
All three of the people involved put that on and spend a lot of time and do it verydeliberately.

(01:43:08):
And then instantly, like they spend time applying that substance and then come to adecision that it's a shark almost instantly.
Yeah, and that is also exactly taken because that shot is a panning shot It is exactly andI know I'm sure this is where he got the idea because it's from science of the lambs Yeah,
do the exact same thing where they just do the two Streaks underneath their nostrils.

(01:43:33):
They give their hand it to the next person.
They do it.
They hand to the next person It's exactly like in silence of the lambs.
He's from that one too For Jaws crew
And the thing that is so crazy is that one scene before this, they have that gnarly bodyon the beach and he's leaning down right next to it and no one, they're acting like it

(01:43:56):
doesn't smell at all.
No one cares.
And the reaction is so big in this scene, like so big.
Not only that, it's supposed to be like the Vic Moro, it's the Vic Moro like scuba outfit,but they have this really like awful fake looking like dead face, like straight out of
like an Italian zombie movie.

(01:44:18):
And then they're like, bring in that kid who studied sharks.
There's still people like, cause like behind her, him as he's looking, there's like thiswoman in a bikini and you only see like part of her body.
They're just letting regular folks also hang around this dead body.
They've not tried to make this a crime scene anyway.

(01:44:39):
And their first thought is like, we should talk to that guy that knows a lot about fish.
He's probably the best person to talk about this dead body.
We just found like, I don't know, maybe like look for clues.
topsy maybe there's just you know they're like no no no grab the kid grab the kid haven'tcome over meet me here in the beach hey everyone else here at the beach you can hang out

(01:44:59):
it's no big deal we're not trying to keep this a secret
The news of a shark in the waters is not good for town bigwig and ascot enthusiast SamuelLewis.
my god, there's so many ascots in this movie.
is...
It is like an ascot fest.
every scene he's got a new ascot

(01:45:21):
He really goes hard for that.
The other thing is, my wife didn't understand, didn't know at the beginning that thisscene, this movie borrowed so much footage from Last Shark.
So when he starts talking about the upcoming regatta, she turned to me and very earnestlysaid, why is there always a regatta?
Like, well, how else can you use all that regatta footage?

(01:45:44):
Like that's what you have to do.
And how many other there's like two movies I can think of that have a regatta in them andit's the two we're talking about Yeah, yeah
It's maybe maybe like a summer rental.
One crazy summer.
One crazy summer.
But those have boats.

(01:46:04):
They're not they're not windsurfing.
Regata.
They're not windsurfing.
No, it's not.
But they have the boat race.
But it's crazy.
Okay, this is I'm going to I'm going to derail us here.
Does a regatta refer to any race?
of a a thing on water or is it a specific thing like only a windsurf?

(01:46:26):
I don't know.
know so little about regattas.
is like my intro.
This is me learning about regattas in real time by watching these movies again.
Every time I watch them, I'm like, gotta look into what the hell a regatta is.
And I always forget that homework assignment.
And I come back to the movie and go, well, here's the regatta again.
I still know nothing about them and I don't know what they are.

(01:46:48):
Oh no, I've got it right now for Miriam Webster, regatta, a rowing speedboat or sailingrace or a series of such races.
So I guess the windsurf is a sailing.
That's got to sail.
Sort of.
That feels like a little loose that they're using windsurfing for a regatta, that itsounds like.

(01:47:12):
Even going back to last chart, we've been stretching the definition of a regatta, and theyjust decide to stretch it another 10 years and cruel jaws.
Oh, and you I mean, so so that Samuel Lewis is the town big with this.
This actor is literally struggling to remember his lines like he is literally like youcould see him searching for the lines as they go.

(01:47:36):
I got to interrupt regatta.
Also the etymology from the Italian word regatta.
Of course.
That's why it made so much sense to the Italians.
They're like, yeah, it's a regatta.
Everybody knows it.
There's not a single person in America that would be confused by a regatta.
No, no.

(01:47:56):
No.
So, Lewis, by the way, I have to mention, cause you mentioned that this movie has anamazing collection of assholes and chief among them is Ronnie.
Right.
Lewis's son.
Um, and he is, he's the guy who finds the body on the beach and he is, he's a first-classasshole.
There's a daughter of the Lewis also has a daughter who is in love with one of Dag's sons.

(01:48:21):
So you have a whole Romeo and Juliet.
thing going on here, like in Fairhampton Bay.
It's, you know, it's just, there are two families.
Uh, and Ronnie wants to go out with Vanessa, despite the fact that she is, and I quote,with that nerd fish doctor.
it's, uh, and Vanessa has a friend with short blonde hair whose name I can't remember whois really acting through the whole movie too.

(01:48:48):
Like she is, she is, she pulls faces like,
Like nobody else, like it's just...
that Bruno Matei said like, oh, you know, the thing about last shark is that it dealt withthe adult side of it.
Right.
Let's really focus in on the kids side of all this.
And including them having the same dumb plan of taking a giant chunk of meat and thentaking out there with another shotgun.

(01:49:17):
with another shotgun.
But with their own shotgun, they're not using the same footage of the old shotgun.
They went and got another shotgun.
They were like, we'll repeat the scene.
Like you don't even need to keep the shotgun in it.
That's not footage that you were going to use per se.
Maybe the shot made the shotgun footage of a close up of it, but you have your ownshotgun.

(01:49:38):
You don't need to use footage from something.
And it's not like they had such incredible shotgun blasts of a shark in last shark thatyou needed to like use it.
So they just simply reuse the idea because they were, I guess Matei was convinced, well,that's how you kill a shark.
You just get a shotgun and you try to feed it and you just blow it away with a shotgun.

(01:49:59):
Unbelievable.
maybe a tip of the hat to end.
So maybe, yeah.
You know, just to, just to, you know, we're going to, it's just, there's so much storythat it bar like there's so many points.
God, this movie is amazing.
It's, you know, and then, but then it has its own original stuff.
the encounter on the beach with Ronnie and his, his buddy, where they bully the, the, the,the dag son Joe.

(01:50:26):
It's so awkward because like these guys are terrible at bullying.
They're awful at it.
Like they, they just, they often like they have them holding the guy and then they justput them down.
Like this guy could just walk away.
The great thing about those two as well is that the guy's son, he has his best friend andthe best friend has that incredible line that he goes up and tries to hit on the two girls

(01:50:49):
with.
I mean, clip it in here, please, Rob.
I mean, it's, I won't do it justice.
I have to...
Dick brain, dick brain, dick brain!
Just book it.

(01:51:11):
I'm like that you then the two of them like hang out and he puts his arm around the guyand I just like looking at it going Yeah, these are just two guys that are clearly friends
in real life The the bad guy's son looks like he is 37 and the other guy looks like he'syou know 22 Yeah, and they're just they could not they do not look like two people

(01:51:37):
who would hang out outside of the fact that they were both cast by this weird Italian guyto be in a movie.
It's the only scenario where the two of them would have connected.
And you know, like Ronnie and his buddy, they, they want to, they want to point, theystuff a fish full of poison to feed it to the dolphins at discount SeaWorld, which doesn't

(01:51:59):
end up working.
Thank God, but it's so bizarre.
is amazing.
And doesn't the guy get find the bag and like, what's his bag?
He even says, what's this bag doing here?
Suspicious bad placement this-
Also, maybe the worst day for night footage I've ever seen.

(01:52:24):
So much and it doesn't look it doesn't look at all like night
To be fair, it's some of the worst day for day for it.
I think they didn't know.
Like, did they break their one and default?
The sky is white.
This whole movie.

(01:52:44):
Thank
Holy crap, yeah.
I had an outline of this plot and it's down at the window.
Like there's just stuff that's just like, you're like, they, one girl gets, goes out inthe water, gets eaten by the shark and you know, cause Jaws did it.

(01:53:05):
So, then like her boyfriend who looks like Alexander Gudinov's stand in goes to the policestation and tell them what happened.
And they assume he's drunk and one cop actually says, we're going to throw him in theHusskau.
You uh
line.
Yep.
But chief Francis has got other ideas and interrogates him.

(01:53:27):
And then whatever he told chief Francis gets him excited because he exits the policestation and there's a little like a rant, like there's a door to the police station and
then there's like a ramp, you know, like for wheelchairs leading off to the side, but hecan't take time for that ramp.
He just leaps over the railing and just goes about his business and the music that goeswith his little leap.

(01:53:57):
It sounds like something out of an eighties cop comedy.
It's like from police academy or like armed and dangerous or something like that.
It's just like, it's just an amazing, the choices, the choices are.
The choices this movie.
my god.
We have
lot of dialogue lifted word for word from Jaws.

(01:54:17):
Bill talks a lot about territoriality, although he struggles to say the word.
He talks about how sharks just swim, eat and make baby sharks.
The decision to just make this about the teens, like, I don't want to say that you can'thave a smart kid in college who just knows a lot about it, but this is a town that I
suppose there is no expert of any kind, despite the fact that there is a working sea lifepark and so they have to.

(01:54:45):
is is that's doing a lot of work there uh
Existing, let's say.
It does exist.
And they have no experts.
Maybe this is why it's not doing so hot, that they have to go to this kid for any of theirexpertise on sharks.
They have no one else.
He is the sole expert.

(01:55:07):
Hooper Jr.
Lewis is planning to build a hotel on the site of discount SeaWorld.
And he even offers to give a bonus to Dag if he leaves immediately, which leads to thecoldest line of the movie from Lewis when he says, in front of the crippled daughter, tell
your son Bob to stay away from my daughter or you can buy another wheelchair.

(01:55:29):
This guy.
Holy shit.
They snuck a good one in there, you know?
Oh my god!
Just to make sure you're paying attention.
And then the seal responds by pushing him in the water.
Takes him so long to fall.
Like he gets pushed and then he's teetering on the edge and then they cut away to the sealand then cut back and he falls in.
This will not be the last time a seal pushes him into the water.

(01:55:52):
I can tell you.
And you would think the way, I mean, this guy is so awful that you would think it is setup for him to die at the end of this movie in a really satisfying way.
Nope.
Mm-mm.
Oh.
Nope.
His only come up and says he doesn't get to build the hotel
Yeah, that's the sad end of his story is that he doesn't get what he wants.

(01:56:17):
Yes.
Honestly, it's probably it's it's been kicked five years down the road because that thethe that Sea Life Park is not staying.
It's not going the distance.
It ain't going anywhere.
Yeah, it's not going anywhere too soon.
God knows what they owe on it, but as soon as that 100K runs out, things back out forbusiness.
Bill King is not going to make this a viable operation.

(01:56:39):
Yes.
But before the regatta starts, guys, we have to talk about the night on the town.
yeah.
Because it starts, first of all, it's the scene starts with Bill and Vanessa making outand guys, listen, you know that I'm not a prude when it comes to human sexuality, but for
some reason I find this movie's depiction of intimacy incredibly unsettling.

(01:57:03):
Hmm
It was like they're making out and I'm just not I'm not feeling good about it guys.
I am not feeling good No, and and and and Bill and Vanessa's nice interrupted when sheFrancis asked for Bill's leading Vanessa to Absolutely freak the fuck Yeah, what's it for

(01:57:23):
all Billy?
It's the fish or me And then she tells him to
find the tallest skyscraper he can and throw himself off of it and then go fuck himself.
It's amazing.
I don't think she understands that human lives are at stake, that it's not really aboutthe fish.
Yeah, no, she definitely doesn't grasp the weight of the scenario that they're in.

(01:57:48):
And then the And the club, yeah.
This is what I'm waiting for, the club.
The club looks like a patio from a country club from 1987 and everybody's dancing and noone looks like they've ever danced before in their lives.
Including the guy, the rich guy's, the, you know, son.

(01:58:08):
Yeah.
He's dancing.
Like I realized, like they didn't play the actual music that they play for the scene whilethey're shooting it.
So, but he's doing a dance.
What he thinks they will be playing.
He's also missing context clues.
Like you would see people peripherally dancing in a way that you might somewhat mimicbecause you want it all to see.

(01:58:32):
m
cohesive and he is doing his own dance unlike anyone else in the entire club and it is soamazing because everyone else not that again it doesn't exactly match the music the music
match is not great but everyone else is Elise you're like okay but his dancing is so outof it's just that doesn't fit he he is doing his own thing

(01:58:59):
whole other thing, man.
It's just, and there's so much ADR in this sequence and it's so bad.
Like there's one moment where Vanessa is talking and her mouth is not moving.
I swear to God.
At one point, Vanessa's short haired friend knees Ronnie's friend in the balls and he'sokay with it.
Like he's surprisingly cool with that.
Only because I can't let it go his dancing is like he's grabbing something with his handsSwinging his hands around him like just grabbing something out of the air.

(01:59:28):
That's exact kind of dance It's I don't know why it killed me so much, but it really didI'm sorry.
I can't let it go.
I can't let it go
Nor should you, nor should you let it go.
Billy shows up and the friend tells him that Vanessa went off with Ronnie to, I quote, thebeach of passion.

(01:59:53):
Yeah, and then, you know, yeah, the pink boo, you know, there's sharks out there, and wehave a family of shark tourists from Australia who show up.
They were in...
what were they doing there?
They were there to see somebody get eaten by a shark and they're disappointed when the guysays, we think the shark is gone.

(02:00:16):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's right.
And they're so bummed.
They're like, oh man, there's no shark here.
We're guess we'll leave.
Like they were only going to towns where they thought there was a shark death.
They are basically the, uh, the, journalist from the-
A cousins like came into town.

(02:00:37):
Australian shark loving cousin.
And one point they actually think they've killed the shark and of course, you know, likethe guy shoots it from a helicopter with a gun and then Billy shows up to tell them that
the Josp and doesn't match.
Of course.
I mean, he's he's the only guy we think knows something possibly about sharks.

(02:01:00):
Anything.
And we have the regatta.
Now, the regatta had a moment that my wife and I honestly kind of lost our minds a littlebit because obviously they are doing a regatta so they could use every scrap of footage
that they can from the last shark.
Including a moment that we didn't mention when we talking about that movie.

(02:01:22):
There's a moment when in the, you know, not far from the folk singer in a box where thesecheerleaders
At the regatta are spelling out Wells' name with pom poms.
Give me a W, give me an E, give me an L.
Well, they use that footage.
And the cheerleaders are still physically spelling out Wells, but they've ADR'd them to besaying, Lewis, give me an L, give me an E.

(02:01:51):
What?
It's.
It is, it's so brazen.
No one will check their work.
They were like, it's fine.
No one will really double check this.
And the helicopter clearly has Wells Co.
brand on it when we get there.
Yes, they do not change that.

(02:02:12):
No.
Can we also talk because we I know we don't want to go on.
Listeners have listened to regatta talk a lot here, but if I may, the way that they cutthe characters, the way they're cutting characters of last shark, but also cutting the
characters that we know in this movie to try to match the regatta.
Yes.

(02:02:32):
And it's clearly them holding on to the wind sail on the beach.
Pretending they're on the water?
Yeah.
No.
But they are not on the water.
Ryan, let me tell you this.
The surf competition between Batman and the Joker from the 1967 Batman episode, Surfs Up,Jokers Under has more convincing surf footage.

(02:03:00):
uh
so amazingly bad that they're trying to pretend that they're, they're clearly not.
No, they're not even wet.
They're dry.
And they're just like pretending to do it.
And then you cut, they literally then cut to them holding on, pretending to peoplelegitimately doing the act of windsurfing, which only belies the fact that they are not

(02:03:28):
actually doing it.
It's like.
Hey, do you buy this?
Here's someone really doing it back to these guys who aren't and here's more people thatare but also here are our main characters and they're clearly not doing it.
It's amazing.
It's so incredible.
They're like, who cares?
We have one day to do this.
Fuck it.

(02:03:48):
I love that Vanessa shows up wearing a unitard to the beach, I might add.
And she is asking the Sorensons about Bill as if she didn't dump him and tell him to gojump off a skyscraper and fuck himself literally the night before.
Like she's acting totally normal.
Hey guys, how's it going?

(02:04:09):
Nothing big happened between us, like, last night?
We didn't have a, no, no, there was no, it was just fun.
We went to the club.
went, know, this, you know, that's so yeah, the shark attacks the regatta.
got, we got people getting eaten.
I saw cowboy Quint get eaten when they used, could see the feathers on the back of hisjacket.

(02:04:29):
And then we have the sublime moment.
The daughter in the wheelchair goes rolling down the pier and into the water.
Thankfully Vanessa jumps in to save her.
But before she can get out, she's pulled under too.
And I wasn't sure if she was dead, like, cause it's just kind of a hard cut to anambulance.
And then we have Dag telling his daughter that Vanessa's fine.

(02:04:52):
But then we quickly learned she's actually dead.
it's, it's a whiplash.
Like eventually that little girl is going to learn that, but I guess that's a problem foranother day.
be fair to the dad, he thought they were going to have to leave town.
That's true.
That's true.
She never does.
She'd know when they establish SeaWorld Lite somewhere else.

(02:05:15):
Also, when they do pull the little girl out of the water, I mean, not that I need to be astickler or anyone should be a stickler about it in this, but she uses her legs to get up
on the pier.
That's...
It was the phantom legs.
I mean, I'm saying, she suddenly had some movement and...

(02:05:36):
You know, in times of great stress.
Sure, sure.
I don't know.
Maybe he just needs she needed a dip in the salty ocean to really feel like she did toreally make her legs moving
We have a moment in this, this, this movie goes above and beyond in terms of its jaws, uh,thievery because about an hour into this hour and 35 minute movie, the mafia shows up.

(02:06:10):
Yes.
Yes.
Of course.
Of course they do.
The mafia shows up because apparently all of Lewis's construction projects are financed bythe mob and now they want their money.
And I gotta say, it's amazing that this film goes so far as to steal a plot point from theJaws novel that was left out of the film adaptation because in the book, the mayor insists

(02:06:35):
on keeping Amity's beaches open because he's in debt to the mob.
So we have this whole mob subplot in the last half hour.
They went back to the source.
Like it's like, it's like Casino Royale.
It's like going back, you know, it's, you know, it's, not, we're not doing invisible cars,man.
We're doing like, we're doing the real Fleming.
This is doing the real Benchley.

(02:06:56):
This is, that's what it is.
Oh God.
And with, with uh Billy and his girlfriend, that's the infidelity plot from the book.
my God.
Oh my God.
ah This is the truest version of Jaws.
Oh boy.
This is the, this is the Benchley version.
This is the real, this is where the best, Benchley would say this is the best adaptationof my work.

(02:07:21):
It's like the Shining miniseries from the 90s, like being the more authentic to King'snovel.
Right, being the one that King really believes in.
Yeah.
Ronnie takes his dad's boat to go out and kill the shark with shotgun as you mentionedearlier like mimicking the
Oh god.
thing that it- the mishap on this part.
this moment.
my god.
So the boats, first of I have to mention the boats are leaving because at the same timeDagg and his sons are heading out and Bill and there's music that sounds really a lot like

(02:07:52):
the title theme from Star Wars.
yeah, yeah, it plays a couple times.
it's changed, it's tweaked just a little bit.
it's, it's like going from under pressure to ice ice baby.
Like it's that kind of thing.
Right, right, right.
Yeah, just like it changes a note at the very end, but it's very recognizably Star Wars.
I mean, I guess at that point they were just like, Hey, in for a penny in for a pound.

(02:08:15):
mean, we're, we're, we're ripping off jaws.
We might as well rip off star wars too.
Like they can't all sue us.
Just suing each other by accident.
We'll just duck out of the way.
It's, it's, it's a fistful of dollars.

(02:08:35):
They just have to kneel that shit and just get out of the way of all the lawsuits.
So, we have a boat full of assholes here.
Mmm.
I'm just waiting for this delicious
God, like in the last shark, they're going to use raw meat to attract the shark.
It's the short haired girl's mother's roast.

(02:08:55):
ah And they find the shark and Ronnie starts to shoot it with a shotgun.
We have that shot from the last shark where the bottom of the bow, the propeller hits theshark, there's blood in the water.
And then Ronnie gets knocked overboard and he gets pulled down.
And the short haired girl,
runs up screaming with it open, open can of gasoline.

(02:09:23):
And the gasoline is falling all over the, like, it's just pouring out of this can.
And then the buddy fires a flare gun and the whole thing goes up.
Like it just boom.
It is one of the most bizarre things.
It's amazing.
Was she intending to do with the gasoline to start?

(02:09:44):
can understand that he lit fire to flare and wasn't thinking about the gasoline and youknow, but I'll maybe give you that.
But what was she thinking she was going to do with it at all?
What was she?
Should the flare gun have never entered the scenario?
What was the plan with the gasoline?

(02:10:05):
Because it was.
The cap was already open!
She's holding it aloft above her head!
Gas is pouring on her very short hair!
What are you, were you doing with it?
What were you gonna, what was the plan?
Were you gonna just throw this now half empty canister of gasoline at the shark and just,I, what was your plan?

(02:10:27):
I don't
Ryan, I'm gonna think about it for the rest of my life.
I will always...
I will always...
The plan was...
come back to it regularly in my brain and be like, what's she gonna do?
Like if it hadn't all gone up, how was that playing out?

(02:10:47):
How did she see it in her mind?
Right, right.
You're gonna be on your deathbed and we're gonna come up and go, hey, how you feeling?
And you're gonna go, I just, I'm just curious.
What was she doing with that canister of gasoline?
I need to know.
I love that when I'm on my deathbed it's the two of you guys who are moving around.

(02:11:13):
Of course!
Who else?
Who else?
There's no other scenario where there would be other people.
It's only Rob and I.
Excuse me, gentlemen, there's only family allowed.
We are family.

(02:11:34):
We are Chris's family.
And Chris, I promise when we creamate your body, it'll go into a half empty can ofgasoline, just like the one in cruel draw.
That is already in my last wishes.
That's already, it's already down in the well.
My favorite moment to the boat blowing up though is when she Francis gets the news.

(02:11:58):
He just says, shit.
shit.
Very professional.
man.
God.
Chief Francis goes out on a helicopter to kill the shark.
and as you alluded to earlier changes just so they could use all of the footage of wells.
He leaves his office in a cop uniform, but on the way to the helipad, decides to change toa shirt and tie.

(02:12:27):
It doesn't make any sense.
It's brilliant.
It's.
It's amazing and you know he pulls out a comically large gun uh Comically large gun out ofnowhere and just says I'm gonna shoot this motherfucker between the eyes
He does not fall out of the helicopter.
He drops his gun and then leaps out of the helicopter that they're in, which of course isprobably stable on the ground.

(02:12:58):
And he just leaps off of it.
He does.
It's...
Before it all goes uh sideways, the helicopter pilot has the line, we need a biggerhelicopter.
Is it even like the right quote?
Like obviously you're changing boat to helicopter, but it's not what Brody says.

(02:13:19):
Nope.
Yeah.
Well, they need plausible deniability for the losses.
Yeah.
So the mob sends two goons, one tall goon and one short goon.
They're going to take out the shark.
Bill reveals that the boat that they were diving to at the very beginning, that the twoguys at the beginning were diving to, that Cleveland was carrying, and how he knows this,

(02:13:47):
I don't know, but it was carrying a shark.
trained for military use.
Cleveland was an oceanographic ship carrying a very special cargo, right?
Yep, it ran aground on the sandbanks during a storm and sink.
At exactly the same point where we ran into trouble today.
But what's the wreck got to do with the shark?
That ship was carrying a shark born in captivity.

(02:14:09):
Top secret naval experiments.
A death machine trained to attack the enemy.
Now if the theory of territoriality is correct, then I have no reason to doubt it.
The wreck of the Cleveland is where that thing lives.
And the sea around here is its hunting reserve.
That's why it's so aggressive.

(02:14:31):
It's a trained shark assassin.
It's the Jason Bourne of sharks.
I love that you bring in the mafia to take out the shark.
The mob goons find the map to the ship, is helpfully marked, it's here in giant redletters on the map.

(02:14:54):
And one of the goons says, and I quote, this is hot.
stuff yep like real mafia guys would like authentic mafioso men yeah authentic
Um, and then we get the extended final sequence where the goons and, and dag and his sonsto go dive into the Cleveland.

(02:15:18):
Again, you mentioned this is all taken.
A lot of this is taken from Joe D'Amato's 1989 film, deep blood.
Uh, what, although when, one of the goons gets eaten by the shark, that is hammer gettingeaten in, in the mouth and last shark.
Correct.
Yep.
Because you can see that he has all the dynamo- or all the explosives uh strapped to him.

(02:15:39):
And you have all this underwater stuff rigging the ship to blow up and guys I justcouldn't see a fucking thing.
Like I just I couldn't see anything.
It is so it's so murky.
They finally successfully shot day for night.
But just underwater, so was pretty tricky to see anything.
and Bill and his sons make it back to the boat and the Cleveland blows up and everything'sfine.

(02:16:03):
And they also have shotguns.
There's so many shotguns.
they double the amount of shotguns and shotgun ideas.
Holy shit, movie, this episode is all about shotguns and meat.
And regattas.
What a masterwork.
guys don't sacrifice anybody.

(02:16:24):
I guess Vanessa, but they already forgot about her.
They moved on.
Like, they even tell the daughter she was dead.
And everybody at Dollar Store SeaWorld celebrates and Lewis gives Dagacheck for a hundredthousand for killing the shark.
And the seal knocks Lewis one more time into the water for good measure.
Which is why we have to have a seal show at our theme park.

(02:16:45):
Chris, think for sure the cruel jaws stunt spectacular.
We're going to make the, the, the universal water world stunt spectacular look reallygood.
And everybody that works at the park needs to wear an ascot.
And be an asshole.
Yeah.
It's just like, even wanting aside the reused footage thing, like Cruel Jaws, I mean, itbelongs in that same class as like Troll 2 and The Room and Birdemic.

(02:17:15):
And there is great entertainment value in movies, so bad they're good.
But on top of that, the sheer amount of stolen footage
is unlike anything I've ever seen.
is just like the way they craft the narrative to use as much as possible.
Honestly, it's breathtaking.

(02:17:38):
It's breathtaking.
It is.
It's it's it's a rip off of a rip off of a rip off.
And it's it's like I was thinking like this is cruel jaws is like remember multiplicity.
Yes.
Like like like cruel jaws is number four, you know.
I'm sorry to report that I get that reference.

(02:18:00):
I know it's but it did I did legit think about it.
I was like if this is a this is a clone of a clone and so you can't But it's just but it'sso delightful that you're like in the end you you you just you just love it because you're
like well It means well like

(02:18:20):
Like think, oh, Last Shark is, you know, but Last Shark is, it's a real movie, you know,like it's, and Cricklejaw is something not quite, but it's fascinating.
It's fascinating and it's entertaining, you know, in the most bizarre, I mean, my God.
I, I, yeah, I, I adore it.

(02:18:42):
And you to mention some of the other movies like those, the, like troll too, which I trolland, and, and some of those other ones, but I would throw on cruel jaws well before any of
them.
There's just too much joy to be found in this.
With the possible exception of Birdemic, which, you know, this show has a long historywhere we're, you know, we're going back all the way to the beginning where Rob and I

(02:19:07):
inadvertently found ourselves at the first showing of Birdemic a long time ago.
Wow.
You can see us on the Blu-ray special features in the crowd.
were there from the beginning.
Beginning, we were there for all of them.
I've seen all Birdemic movies, all three in the movie theater, something that my wife isappalled with James Wynn.

(02:19:29):
James Wynn.
Like uh James Wynn.
I have a signed Blu-ray of Birdemic from James Wynn, which I got signed at the premierefor Birdemic to.
Wow.
That's uh that's that's who that's who we are here.
Get me another.
That is a commitment.
my god.
A commitment that you've done.
Ryan, thank you so much for this marathon episode of Italian shark exploitation.

(02:19:55):
my god.
Double feature.
mean, Jesus, it has been an absolute, it's just been fantastic.
Thank you so much.
No, Chris, thank you.
Thank you and Rob for this, for the ability to talk about The Last Shark and Cruel Jawswith people that appreciate its fine contributions to art and cinema.

(02:20:21):
Because, no, I love the show.
You guys are great and I would come on for anything.
But to be able to talk about these two movies is is my pleasure.
Truly.
truly.
Well, it's been it's been it has been fantastic for any new listeners out there who havenot heard one of your previous appearances.
I will ask what I always do.

(02:20:41):
Where can the New World Pictures podcast be found out there in the world?
Easily at our website new world pictures podcast comm or wherever you listen to podcastjust look us up new world pictures You'll find us but our website has all that and that's
where you can find everything out about us
And you guys have some great uh t-shirts, great merch.

(02:21:02):
I have a couple of your t-shirts.
I was looking at that!
I thought for...
This is our house shirt.
house that says directed by Steve Miner on it and it has the house shirt.
It's very, very fashionable.
It is indeed.
Mmm.
Yeah, we have a lot of different designs.
We got a lot of you know, a lot of fun fun shirts and more on the way So yeah, check usout that that helps support us because we don't do a patreon, right?

(02:21:30):
You know, we're like we were like we we do a weekly podcast I don't know how you addadditional stuff to you
We're holding off on both of those till we can get the theme park launched that we thinkwill, that will pay for all of it.
I mean, I could just, by designs, my model for the you're the hunter from the future landah is going to be, it's going to be great.

(02:21:53):
It's going to be great.
I mean, I like that you're like, we can't start a Patreon.
We have to start this whole other theme park.
And that will fund a bunch.
Yeah.
do something with all my connections at Black Rock Capitol.
Like, you don't want to waste that.
No, no.
my god.
And they were just waiting to invest like that.

(02:22:14):
And ultimately all this just funds a podcast?
I Yeah.
You know, that's, they're, who was, who says no?
Who would?
I don't know.
Next week, we'll continue our Sojourn Abroad with two movies from Asia, both featuringkiller crocodiles.
From Thailand, we have 1980's Crocodile, and from Hong Kong, the 1988 film Crocodile Fury.

(02:22:41):
These are definitely two of the most unusual films we've watched, not only for thisseries,
but possibly the entire podcast.
Again, we are your hosts, Chris Iannacone and Rob Lomorgzis.
If you've enjoyed our show, please consider subscribing, following us on Blue Sky,Instagram, threads, and Twitter at Get Me Another Pod.

(02:23:01):
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And join us next time as we continue to explore
happens when Hollywood says, get me a knife.

(02:24:01):
right
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