October 16, 2024 • 29 mins
In this episode of Green Tea Party Radio, host Katie Zakrzewski discusses the intensification of hurricanes in the face of climate change and how conservative approaches can offer innovative, market-driven solutions. Katie explores the impact of two recent hurricanes, Helene and Milton, on coastal communities and advocates for practical, resilient infrastructure to combat future natural disasters. As always, she emphasizes the importance of balancing environmental stewardship with conservative values, including economic growth and private-sector innovation. Katie also provides actionable steps for listeners to get involved in their local communities.
Key Takeaways:
- Hurricane Intensification & Climate Change: Rising global temperatures contribute to stronger, more frequent hurricanes, with hotter oceans fueling storm intensification.
- Conservative Solutions: Katie advocates for disaster recovery, flood control systems, and market-driven solutions such as storm-resistant technologies and green infrastructure.
- Innovation Over Regulation: Instead of strict mandates, Katie encourages resilience and technological advancements to mitigate the effects of climate change on natural disasters.
- Pro-Life Connection: Katie argues that climate change is a pro-life issue and that conservatives must lead the charge in addressing it to protect future generations.
- Calls to Action: Register to vote, become a certified storm spotter, and engage your local politicians to advocate for infrastructure improvements.
Quotable Moments:
- "Conservatives need to step up and acknowledge that climate change is a pro-life issue."
- "Warmer oceans are fueling stronger hurricanes, and it's time we invest in resilient infrastructure to protect our communities."
Resources & Links:
- National Weather Service Storm Spotter Program
- Citizens Climate Lobby - Conservative Caucus: Citizens Climate Lobby
- RepublicEn.org - Eco-Right Climate Action: RepublicEn
- National Hurricane Center - Hurricane Forecasts: National Hurricane Center
- Voter Registration: USA.gov Register to Vote
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Episode Transcript
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>> Katie (00:03):
Hello and welcome to the Green Tea Party, where we
discuss conservative solutions to environmental
problems. I'm Katie Zakresky,
and today I'll guide you through complex issues and provide
strategies to address them all while remaining faithful
to my conservative values. It'll be a
good time, so grab your mugs and I'll pour the
tea.
(00:33):
Welcome back, everybody. Same setup as we've had for the last
couple of times. It's that crazy busy time of year. I think
Hannah and Zach are both busy and, you know,
their lives. Being a young person in a world on fire
during an election year. Um, so I'll be
taking care of today's episode because clearly none of
my work is doing anything too important. Teehee. Just kidding.
(00:54):
We love self deprecating humor on this show. I'm very good at
it.
Um, I wanted to take a little bit of time today, and
before I begin, you want some banter?
Okay, here it is. The banter is go register to
vote and then go run for office because the people running are
no good. Okay, that's the banter. Fabulous. So
today I'm going to talk a little bit about hurricanes,
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um, because obviously we just saw two of the
most severe hurricanes. I think I saw the
words,
um, most severe
of all time. I think I saw the words, um,
testing the limit of the hurricane measurement
scale. Um, I think I saw the words
the most powerful hurricane the earth can produce. Uh, now,
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granted, I don't know how much of that is true. I don't
live near hurricanes. Um, but I do know hurricanes are
bad. Hurricanes are bad without climate change.
Um, and we've been able to see just how bad these hurricanes can
be with climate change. So I've seen a lot of people talking
about scratch m his head, why are the hurricanes
so bad all of a sudden? Well, it could be climate
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change. So climate change is obviously,
if you're aware of the show, has
sparked a whole lot of debate. Tl doctor. That's
the whole show. Climate change is controversial. That's it.
That's the episode. Um, but a lot of people have debated
whether or not it has played a role
in the intensification of natural disasters such as
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hurricanes. Um, I can't vouch for
hurricanes, but I can say for somebody who lives in Tornado
Valley, um, I would say, yeah,
so some people argue that human activities are
driving these changes. Um, you
know, the usual arguments that you get
whenever people talk about climate change. But one thing is
undeniable, and that's no matter what you want to call
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it as climate change, continues to ravage
the planet. We're seeing more extreme weather events,
including stronger hurricanes, heavier rainfall,
prolonged droughts, rising sea levels, more
frequent storms, more intense storms than we were seeing
before. So all of these phenomenon
have significant economic and environmental
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and social consequences, especially in these coastal
areas that are more vulnerable to hurricanes and flooding in the first
place. So there have been many storm
events unfold I that have unfolded in the recent
years, but obviously, within the last few weeks, two
hurricanes in particular, sand out. So what
do we know? Okay, well, we know that climate change is causing
shifts in weather patterns, and that leads to more extreme weather
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events. We know that rising global temperatures are linked
to more intense hurricanes and prolonged droughts and heavier
rainfall, and everything that plays a role in making these hurricanes
and weather phenomenon as bad as they are when they
occurred. And we know that we, as conservatives,
have a unique approach that emphasizes, uh, innovation and
resilience over regulatory mandates. So I don't just want to talk
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about the impact that climate change has on
amplifying a lot of these phenomenon and a lot of this
weather. I also want to talk about maybe what a conservative
response to it might be. I don't just want to talk the problem to death. You can
watch any news channel and get that exact same kind of
feedback. I want to go a step further
because I'm better than that. Uh, yeah, call CNN,
let them know. Not better than them, not everybody else.
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So, obviously, there is a role that
climate change plays and hurricane intensity. And we saw this
really play out with Hurricane Helene. I believe
I'm saying that correctly. Don't look at me funny.
I only took one semester of French, and it was during the
pandemic. Um, and Hurricane Milton.
Unfortunately, two names that both sound like they belong in a
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senior living facility.
Um, so we know that
warmer oceans feel stronger hurricanes, so a
higher sea surface temperature. Um,
so obviously hotter ocean
waters ended up providing additional energy
for storm intensification. I think that's the reason why they
said, um, Hurricane Helene and Hurricane
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Milton had powered up to a
category five before they had even made landfall
yet, because a lot of these hot ocean
waters were amplifying and feeding into
that storm intensification. So that warmer air
holds moisture, which contributes to stronger storms
with heavier rainfall, increased flooding,
everything you don't want to have when you're dealing with a
(05:09):
hurricane. So the rising intensity and
frequency of these storms are linked to global warming,
although each storm's behavior is influenced by multiple
factors that are also impacted by climate
change. Um, so it's definitely a Force
multiplier, I think, is what I'm going to call it,
so. And the first hurricane that moved through was
Hurricane Helene. And I think they've said that there's like, two more hurricanes
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behind Milton that are kind of hanging out in the gulf right now. I think it's
Leslie and Kurt. Don't quote me on that.
Um, again, two more names you'd find in a nursing home. I don't know what they're
doing with that.
Um, but here's what you need to know about Hurricane Helene in particular. Now
that we're a few weeks out and we can kind of see, you know, looking back,
what happened, what led to what. Um, so
it formed in the Atlantic in September. It
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rapidly intensified into a category four
hurricane, and it really highlighted the
phenomenon of rapid intensification,
um, due to warmer waters in the atlantic
ocean. Um, it was largely unpredictable.
It made it really hard for weather forecasters to accurately
predict when it was going to make landfall, how, ah, strong it
was going to be, when it was going to make landfall, how big it
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was, just how much rainfall it was going to bring, how slow it
was moving. There were a lot of factors that were
really hard to determine when informing populations
of people who need to evacuate and take shelter and
leave. Um, so it added a media
layer onto it as well, which is something that I, as a journalist, find
interesting, even if it's unfortunate.
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So on September 26, Hurricane Helene, which was a
category four hurricane, made landfall in northwestern
Florida. And of course, as you know, by now, over 100 people
have been killed across six states, and there are still many people
missing. And damage across the southeast has been really
catastrophic. Many, uh, states were plagued by
intense winds, flash floods, a, ah, record storm
surges and tornadoes, and 4.5 million
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people were left without power. Um, I saw
damage described by a lot of people as biblical
levels of devastation, which is a crazy phrase
to hear. Um, not at all the metric
that I want used to describe a
phenomenon that's happened somewhere near me.
Entire communities
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have been completely destroyed and washed away.
Ah, a lot of these communities are completely isolated.
They don't have access to clean water,
food, cell phone service, power. Of
course, being out means, um, that these people are
having a harder time getting a hold of other
resources, charging their phones to let people know that
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they're okay, let people know where they're at. Um,
roads have been washed out, trees are fallen, other paths are
blocked. Nightmare scenario. Um,
so as a conservative, some of the takeaway that I
would put toward this, obviously, you know, you can't control a
hurricane. But we do need to focus on improving our
predictive models and storm forecasting technologies.
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Um, we need to invest in resilient infrastructure in order to protect
coastal communities, in other words, stronger buildings and advanced
storm surge barriers, especially if this is going to become the
norm for us. We need to up our technology
and our architecture to
be able to accommodate for these more
severe weather phenomenon. And, of course, we need to
encourage market driven solutions for storm resistant
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technologies. That competitive, free market is going to play
a large role in making sure that people are more prepared,
more protected, at least until we can mitigate the issue of climate
change in the first place.
So if all of this wasn't bad enough, um, for
whatever reason, the hand of God decided to continue to smite all
of the southeastern United States. And less than
two weeks later, Hurricane Milton barreled in. So
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what you need to know about Milton is that it formed in the eastern
Pacific and quickly reached a category
five status before weakening just before landfall. Thank
God. Um, but it strengthened very
quickly due to elevated sea surface temperatures in the Pacific,
very similar to what we saw with Helene.
Uh, of course, it brought with it risk of flooding, landslides, and
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coastal erosion. And Mexico and Pacific
nations, as well as the southeastern United States. You
guessed it, they got hit twice. So once
again, Hurricane Milton was amplified by the effects of climate
change, strengthened to a category five hurricane multiple
times. It did this weird thing where it would amp
up and then slow down and then amp up
again and then slow down again and then amp up, and then, thank
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God, it slowed down before it hit
Florida and was not as strong. I think it was a category
three when it hit Florida. Quote me on that, though. But at
least it was not a category five. That is what matters, because that would have
sucked, um, even worse than it already
did. So this led to, I
saw somewhere in the hundreds of tornado watches and
(09:46):
warnings, um, and had the
potential to be one of the most destructive hurricanes
on record for west central Florida, according to the
National Hurricane Center's October 9 statement. And
that was a statement that President Biden also
reiterated. Um, you had
local leaders in Florida, I'm talking, like, mayors
and stuff, telling Florida residents, you
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are going to die if you do not take evacuation
orders seriously, which is a crazy thing to
hear your mayor or local public servant or local
politician of any sort warn you that you are straight up going
to die if you do not do what they tell you to do because of how
severe things are. Um, that ought to rattle
your jimmies. So,
(10:30):
obviously, the situation in Florida was super duper
scary, not great. Um, again, when you start
hearing phrases like biblical levels of devastation, most
destructive hurricane on record, these are not things you ever want to
hear. I have heard, this is the
number one criticism I've heard from people. I actually brought this up with somebody
recently who was like, oh, well, they had a real bad
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hurricane in 1900. They had a real bad
hurricane in 1919. Yes.
One. Did they have three
less than a month after it that were also just as strong, if
not worse? No.
Hmm. Pattern. Hm.
Recognition. It's a great human tool.
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So I don't understand the. Oh, well, once
upon a time there was a bad thing that happened. Once. Great.
Did it happen four times in three weeks? No.
Are we just stating random facts now? So
I, again, the whole point of climate change is that
it not only makes storms, each individual
storm or hurricane or tornado, more
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intense, but it increases the frequency with
which these things happen. And quite frankly, the last,
this hurricane season particular, and I think last hurricane season
two, both fit, uh, both of those
check boxes. They checked both of the boxes off on criteria
for that. So that's what we're working with
there. So my conservative takeaway for Hurricane
Milton, again, invest in disaster recovery and
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flood control systems. Prioritize, uh, local
and state level solutions for resilience and preparedness.
Um, I think unfortunately, Hurricane Helene coming
through before Milton did, um, really crippled the
ability of a lot of individuals to
get the resources that they needed to in order, uh, in order
to communicate effectively. We just kind of saw the
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domino effect of effect of what happens
when that first initial foot drops, that first
initial boot drops, and everything that happens after
that. That's not the only wave.
So again, something to consider for the future.
Additionally, supporting private sector solutions, including green
infrastructure and flood resistant materials, very similar
solutions to with Hurricane Halene. It seems like a lot of these
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combined, as we see with most climate change solutions, are
more effective than one standalone option.
So obviously, this is not the only natural
disaster or weather phenomenon that's amplified
and driven by climate change. There are several other
examples here that I think are worth pointing out because we've either seen
this in the last few years or we'll likely see it soon to
come. One of those is wildfires. So
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rising temperatures and droughts increase their frequency
and intensity. Pardon me, I cannot speak today
of wildfires. So, uh, some examples in
recent years include California, Australia and the
mediterranean regions. We've seen wildfires
absolutely cripple each of these areas in the last few years
and they're still recovering from them. Obviously, um,
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a conservative solution to this might be focusing on better
wildfire management systems, um,
proactive forestry instead of reactive
forestry, as well as investing in technology to prevent
and control fires more effectively. Um, I would
even say monitoring fires as well, might be worth
implementing more drone systems if we're going to take the
fire watch approach and the fire tower approach.
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Another, um, natural disaster that tends to be climate driven is
flooding. Warmer air holds more moisture,
which leads to increasing rainfall and flood risks,
especially in coastal cities. And rising sea levels
tend to exacerbate this flooding, particularly with strong
storm surges, as we saw with Pauline and
Milton. Some, um, conservative solutions to this might be
investing in flood protection infrastructure, such as levees,
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stormwater systems, um, updated systems that are going
to be able to handle, infrastructurally, an increase
in the
intensity of climate driven
phenomena, as well as the promotion of flood
resistant building materials and practices.
Um, yet another natural disaster phenomenon
that can be linked to climate change is droughts and water
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scarcity. We're real blessed here in Arkansas. I don't know that
we've ever had a water scarcity issue. We have had
droughts, but it always kind of blows my mind
whenever Hannah and Zach talk about
water usage limitations. We've never had that
issue here. Um, Arkansas's moniker is the
natural state. I mean, we have a ton of greenery, even in the
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works of summers. Um, a ton of water,
tons of rivers, lakes, uh,
ponds. I mean, we've got everything but ocean,
I tell people. Um, so we're
real fortunate to not have to deal with water scarcity here. But that
doesn't mean that we shouldn't care,
obviously, because other people were grappling with this issue, like
Hannah and Zach. So, more frequent and prolonged
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droughts affect agriculture, water supplies, and
ecosystems. And we see this particularly
in areas like the American West, Africa, and
Asia. These regions are especially vulnerable. Some
conservative solutions to this might be improving water management, m
and investing in desalination, uh, technique,
technologies, taking the salt out the
water. Okay, for any of you who
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can't say that word because you're southern like me, um, and
I would also say encouraging water conservation through incentives,
not so much punishments, but things like rebates
and possible kickbacks, things of that
Nature on a benign level. So,
obviously, as conservatives, we advocate for balancing
environmental stewardship with economic growth.
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As conservatives, we advocate for market driven
solutions and technological innovation in order to address climate
change. That, to me, is really the only way
forward. The solution to climate change
is going to have to be an economic one, because
we've seen that a lot of the solutions that come from the left have no
economic basis, and they're going to do a whole lot more harm than
good by making some populations more vulnerable
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than others. What do I mean by that? Well, a lot of folks
on the left, when they talk about coming up with climate change solutions, are
always concerned about the most vulnerable among us. Um,
the poor individuals who don't have resources to relocate,
to move. These are the
populations that we see bear the brunt, the worst of climate
change. But by having a policy or
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a response that is not economically sound, you're
going to saddle other groups of people with the burden of
financially bringing that plan to life.
And as good as it might be for the planet, if it
inhibits one's quality of life because they're
financially destitute, then I wouldn't say that's a very
good plan either. I think it's time for conservatives, and
you've heard me say that, I swear, if I had a dime for every time
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I've said this on this show, I could solve climate change
economically speaking.
Conservatives are going to have to step up to the plate and acknowledge
that climate change is a pro life issue and that if
conservatives wheelhouses are
economics being financially savvy,
well, then pull out a chair, brother. Let's get to writing,
because we need a
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conservative perspective on fixing climate change, because that's the only way
it's going to be economically savvy with airtight financial
loopholes, period. I
think we also, as conservatives, need to focus on adaptation and
resilience. So building stronger infrastructure to
withstand these phenomenon and weather events. Until we get the
opportunity to mitigate and even course correct and
reverse some of these effects that we're seeing, we're going to have to
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invest in regional and local responses to improve disaster
resilience and recovery. So
when we take a step back, what can we gather from the
last, I'll say, month of
hurricane season and climate
change driven weather phenomena and natural disasters
that we've seen in the past month alone? Well,
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Hurricane Saleen and Milton have shown, you know,
if we're just looking at these two hurricanes, they've shown
that climate change is very influential when it comes to storm
behavior, with more rapid intensification and unpredictable
movements. Um, both of these storms, these
hurricanes, pardon me, have highlighted the need for
resilience, for forecasting improvements and
model updates, more accurate models to be able to
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keep up with the unprecedented changes and
rapid fluctuations that we're seeing in a lot of these storms.
That are impacted by climate change.
Obviously, um, we're going to need more innovation and
disaster mitigation technologies. Again, conservatives come to
the table. This is where we need help. Um, and
obviously, conservatives are the experts in these areas. They belong touted
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their financial prowess. Okay, do it here.
So, obviously, some conservative policy
recommendations include emphasizing a balanced
approach that combines climate mitigation through market
incentives with adaptation and resilience, fostering, uh,
innovation and private sector solutions in order to build
sustainable and resilient communities, as well as focusing
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on infrastructure disaster and
localized responses to ensuring that every community has
the ability to cope with future extreme weather
by streamlining and boosting communication
systems. So this is something that a lot of
people don't know. I hadn't originally
intended to talk about this,
but I think it's worth bringing up. This is just something. Consider this
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an action step, if you will, in 2020.
Obviously, uh, there was a big thing going on called the pandemic.
People weren't really allowed to do a whole lot of anything. It was hard to leave your
house. So I decided to become a National
Weather Service certified storm spotter and
chaser. Do I chase? No. I drive a
2011 Kia Sorento, and I'm 400 pounds. I'm not chasing anything
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but a hot dog. Do I watch? Yes.
Storm spotting is one of my favorite things to do. I am the
embodiment of the midwestern dad with his Hands on his hips,
standing in the middle of a storm. Um, you
know, like, pointing out into the yard and watching things fly
away. Love doing that. Um, Arkansas is
one of the few places that a lot of people don't like to storm chase,
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uh, just because the tree line, there are so many trees that you
can come around a corner and boom, there's a tornado right there in front of you,
not getting away if that happens. Uh, but again, I don't
chase, probably for that very reason, but I wouldn't even if I
didn't live in Arkansas. And I've noticed just over the last
four years alone as a storm spotter, as somebody who's a
little weather nerd who keeps up with those things because they
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couldn't do math and become a meteorologist and disappointed
their parents. Te I've noticed in the last
four years that these tornadoes have become more
frequent, they've become more
intense. They are happening at
times of the year that we don't normally expect them.
I'm talking within the last few years, we've had some winter
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and fall tornadoes, we've had
some Christmas tornadoes, we've had some
Thanksgiving tornadoes. Nothing like
cutting the turkey, watching the Mason Macy's day
Thanksgiving Day parade, and then hearing what sounds
like the World War Two air raid siren in your
backyard. It doesn't set the mood, it kills the
mood. Okay, but it is one way to get out of an awkward
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Thanksgiving political debate.
All that to say, I'm
not dealing with hurricanes or wildfires here. I'm dealing with
thunderstorms and tornadoes and droughts and things of that
Nature. And even here, in a state
that's considered fairly ecologically
hardy, resilient,
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we're seeing the negative consequences of this in Arkansas. Um,
Arkansas is an agricultural state. Well, when you have
unpredictable droughts and floods
that kills your crops. We're also
a well known duck hunting state.
Well, if your crops, primarily rice,
are completely defunct, you don't get much of a
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harvest. Ducks don't stop to eat in Arkansas because
there's nothing to eat. When
ducks don't stop in Arkansas because there's nothing to eat,
an entire economy limited to a certain time
of year that your state is specifically known
for disappears.
I don't know if you guys, uh, have noticed or
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not. A lot of people can't find Arkansas
on the map. Okay? We
don't have as much going for us as, say,
Texas or New York or California
or Colorado or Utah or any
of those other neat places.
The environment and Nature and its subsequent
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activities here,
in addition to agriculture,
are some of our most
lucrative economic
sectors for Arkansas, for the natural
state. And when climate change makes those
disappear, what
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comes next?
So I've got some action steps for you today,
uh, obviously, and I'm gonna keep pushing this one
until I'm blue in the face. Make sure you're
registered to vote and actually go
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vote in November, please.
Even if you don't like the two people competing to get the big
fancy house on Capitol Hill. All of the
other issues are very, very important. All your local ballot
initiatives, everybody running for your state supreme
court, everybody running for alderman, everybody running
for School board, everybody running for Congress.
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All of these things
are on your ballot. Whether you like Biden,
Trump, Harris, Vance, I don't care.
Go vote in November. I don't care who you
vote for. Just go vote. Just go
vote. You're young. Go vote. Make sure you
share this episode on your social media feed and share your
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opinion about this topic with others.
Um, im going to challenge you to consider becoming a storm
spotter or a weather spotter of some sort in your area.
Whatever is, I
guess, whatever makes the most common sense for you. In your area. Obviously
im not going to become a hurricane spotter here in Arkansas,
but consider becoming a National
weather Service certified
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expert of some sort for your area.
Once, ah, you get invested in weather patterns
and climate and meteorology
in your own place, I think you start paying more attention to those
things. I know that I did. Um, although granted I
was already a climate nerd before, but consider becoming
one of those things. I would also say reach out to your member
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of Congress or your local politicians and ask
them about infrastructural changes and architectural
changes that can be made within your city or
state or region in order to better prepare
for different weather phenomenon, natural
disasters, climate amplified phenomenon.
Uh, reach out to them, let them know, hey, I'm a young conservative and I'm
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concerned about these things. What can we do? What can be done?
How can I do my part as a civically minded citizen?
Something to consider, a bunch of different action steps for
you to consider taking here. Um, select those over and
see which one might be feasible for you. Again, I'm not asking for
a whole evening. I'm not asking for hours of your time.
I always, always, always, however, will ask you
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to get involved in the world around you.
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>> Drew Ireley (26:55):
Hi, I'm Drew Ireley. I am the conservative outreach
director for citizens climate lobby. My path
to being a conservative, uh, concerned about climate
action was definitely a long
growing up. It was a very rural area. You had to be
into the outdoors or you were going to be bored out of your mind. So I grew
up doing a lot of hunting, fishing. I was
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only the second person on my mom's side to graduate
high School. I graduated
June, like 730 at night,
and by 08:00 the next morning, I was on my way
to basic training. On my 17th birthday,
I had deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, rotations through
Cuba. It was during this time that I really
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became concerned with energy, infrastructure, but I
wasn't ready to take action yet. It took the birth
of a ten pound baby girl with cheeks so big
she couldn't open her eyes to really get me to open
mine. My life just went from the next 50 years
to the next 75. What if she's
the veteran that follows in my footsteps and
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she's in the VA suffering from extreme,
you know, what if she's on a fossil fuel route and
subject to an IED? How will I be able to look at her in
the eye and say, I knew that this
could be an issue that you would have to face, and I chose to do nothing about
it. It's why we fight wars. You know, we fight them
now so our kids don't have to.
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I am fighting climate change now so my
daughters don't have to. A lot of people, you know, they say
conservatives don't care about climate change, and
it's not true at all. We just want sensible
policies that don't destroy the economy. In trying
to find a solution, we have that here at citizens climate
lobby.
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There are a lot of leadership opportunities for
conservatives, especially in red states and
districts with republican congressional officers.
Conservatives can also join CCL's conservative
caucus. It's a national group of
Republicans and other right of center individuals where
conservatives can get together and regularly meet
online and have strictly conservative based conversations.
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Sharing our personal story is how we make a difference.
Conservative and concerned about climate change.
You're not alone. My name is Chelsea Henderson,
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ecoright speaks.
Hello and welcome to the Green Tea Party, where we
discuss conservative solutions to environmental
problems. I'm Katie Zakresky,
and today I'll guide you through complex issues and provide
strategies to address them all while remaining faithful
to my conservative values. It'll be a
good time, so grab your mugs and I'll pour the
tea.
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Welcome back, everybody. Same setup as we've had for the last
couple of times. It's that crazy busy time of year. I think
Hannah and Zach are both busy and, you know,
their lives. Being a young person in a world on fire
during an election year. Um, so I'll be
taking care of today's episode because clearly none of
my work is doing anything too important. Teehee. Just kidding.
(00:54):
We love self deprecating humor on this show. I'm very good at
it.
Um, I wanted to take a little bit of time today, and
before I begin, you want some banter?
Okay, here it is. The banter is go register to
vote and then go run for office because the people running are
no good. Okay, that's the banter. Fabulous. So
today I'm going to talk a little bit about hurricanes,
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um, because obviously we just saw two of the
most severe hurricanes. I think I saw the
words,
um, most severe
of all time. I think I saw the words, um,
testing the limit of the hurricane measurement
scale. Um, I think I saw the words
the most powerful hurricane the earth can produce. Uh, now,
(01:35):
granted, I don't know how much of that is true. I don't
live near hurricanes. Um, but I do know hurricanes are
bad. Hurricanes are bad without climate change.
Um, and we've been able to see just how bad these hurricanes can
be with climate change. So I've seen a lot of people talking
about scratch m his head, why are the hurricanes
so bad all of a sudden? Well, it could be climate
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change. So climate change is obviously,
if you're aware of the show, has
sparked a whole lot of debate. Tl doctor. That's
the whole show. Climate change is controversial. That's it.
That's the episode. Um, but a lot of people have debated
whether or not it has played a role
in the intensification of natural disasters such as
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hurricanes. Um, I can't vouch for
hurricanes, but I can say for somebody who lives in Tornado
Valley, um, I would say, yeah,
so some people argue that human activities are
driving these changes. Um, you
know, the usual arguments that you get
whenever people talk about climate change. But one thing is
undeniable, and that's no matter what you want to call
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it as climate change, continues to ravage
the planet. We're seeing more extreme weather events,
including stronger hurricanes, heavier rainfall,
prolonged droughts, rising sea levels, more
frequent storms, more intense storms than we were seeing
before. So all of these phenomenon
have significant economic and environmental
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and social consequences, especially in these coastal
areas that are more vulnerable to hurricanes and flooding in the first
place. So there have been many storm
events unfold I that have unfolded in the recent
years, but obviously, within the last few weeks, two
hurricanes in particular, sand out. So what
do we know? Okay, well, we know that climate change is causing
shifts in weather patterns, and that leads to more extreme weather
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events. We know that rising global temperatures are linked
to more intense hurricanes and prolonged droughts and heavier
rainfall, and everything that plays a role in making these hurricanes
and weather phenomenon as bad as they are when they
occurred. And we know that we, as conservatives,
have a unique approach that emphasizes, uh, innovation and
resilience over regulatory mandates. So I don't just want to talk
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about the impact that climate change has on
amplifying a lot of these phenomenon and a lot of this
weather. I also want to talk about maybe what a conservative
response to it might be. I don't just want to talk the problem to death. You can
watch any news channel and get that exact same kind of
feedback. I want to go a step further
because I'm better than that. Uh, yeah, call CNN,
let them know. Not better than them, not everybody else.
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So, obviously, there is a role that
climate change plays and hurricane intensity. And we saw this
really play out with Hurricane Helene. I believe
I'm saying that correctly. Don't look at me funny.
I only took one semester of French, and it was during the
pandemic. Um, and Hurricane Milton.
Unfortunately, two names that both sound like they belong in a
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senior living facility.
Um, so we know that
warmer oceans feel stronger hurricanes, so a
higher sea surface temperature. Um,
so obviously hotter ocean
waters ended up providing additional energy
for storm intensification. I think that's the reason why they
said, um, Hurricane Helene and Hurricane
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Milton had powered up to a
category five before they had even made landfall
yet, because a lot of these hot ocean
waters were amplifying and feeding into
that storm intensification. So that warmer air
holds moisture, which contributes to stronger storms
with heavier rainfall, increased flooding,
everything you don't want to have when you're dealing with a
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hurricane. So the rising intensity and
frequency of these storms are linked to global warming,
although each storm's behavior is influenced by multiple
factors that are also impacted by climate
change. Um, so it's definitely a Force
multiplier, I think, is what I'm going to call it,
so. And the first hurricane that moved through was
Hurricane Helene. And I think they've said that there's like, two more hurricanes
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behind Milton that are kind of hanging out in the gulf right now. I think it's
Leslie and Kurt. Don't quote me on that.
Um, again, two more names you'd find in a nursing home. I don't know what they're
doing with that.
Um, but here's what you need to know about Hurricane Helene in particular. Now
that we're a few weeks out and we can kind of see, you know, looking back,
what happened, what led to what. Um, so
it formed in the Atlantic in September. It
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rapidly intensified into a category four
hurricane, and it really highlighted the
phenomenon of rapid intensification,
um, due to warmer waters in the atlantic
ocean. Um, it was largely unpredictable.
It made it really hard for weather forecasters to accurately
predict when it was going to make landfall, how, ah, strong it
was going to be, when it was going to make landfall, how big it
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was, just how much rainfall it was going to bring, how slow it
was moving. There were a lot of factors that were
really hard to determine when informing populations
of people who need to evacuate and take shelter and
leave. Um, so it added a media
layer onto it as well, which is something that I, as a journalist, find
interesting, even if it's unfortunate.
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So on September 26, Hurricane Helene, which was a
category four hurricane, made landfall in northwestern
Florida. And of course, as you know, by now, over 100 people
have been killed across six states, and there are still many people
missing. And damage across the southeast has been really
catastrophic. Many, uh, states were plagued by
intense winds, flash floods, a, ah, record storm
surges and tornadoes, and 4.5 million
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people were left without power. Um, I saw
damage described by a lot of people as biblical
levels of devastation, which is a crazy phrase
to hear. Um, not at all the metric
that I want used to describe a
phenomenon that's happened somewhere near me.
Entire communities
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have been completely destroyed and washed away.
Ah, a lot of these communities are completely isolated.
They don't have access to clean water,
food, cell phone service, power. Of
course, being out means, um, that these people are
having a harder time getting a hold of other
resources, charging their phones to let people know that
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they're okay, let people know where they're at. Um,
roads have been washed out, trees are fallen, other paths are
blocked. Nightmare scenario. Um,
so as a conservative, some of the takeaway that I
would put toward this, obviously, you know, you can't control a
hurricane. But we do need to focus on improving our
predictive models and storm forecasting technologies.
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Um, we need to invest in resilient infrastructure in order to protect
coastal communities, in other words, stronger buildings and advanced
storm surge barriers, especially if this is going to become the
norm for us. We need to up our technology
and our architecture to
be able to accommodate for these more
severe weather phenomenon. And, of course, we need to
encourage market driven solutions for storm resistant
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technologies. That competitive, free market is going to play
a large role in making sure that people are more prepared,
more protected, at least until we can mitigate the issue of climate
change in the first place.
So if all of this wasn't bad enough, um, for
whatever reason, the hand of God decided to continue to smite all
of the southeastern United States. And less than
two weeks later, Hurricane Milton barreled in. So
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what you need to know about Milton is that it formed in the eastern
Pacific and quickly reached a category
five status before weakening just before landfall. Thank
God. Um, but it strengthened very
quickly due to elevated sea surface temperatures in the Pacific,
very similar to what we saw with Helene.
Uh, of course, it brought with it risk of flooding, landslides, and
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coastal erosion. And Mexico and Pacific
nations, as well as the southeastern United States. You
guessed it, they got hit twice. So once
again, Hurricane Milton was amplified by the effects of climate
change, strengthened to a category five hurricane multiple
times. It did this weird thing where it would amp
up and then slow down and then amp up
again and then slow down again and then amp up, and then, thank
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God, it slowed down before it hit
Florida and was not as strong. I think it was a category
three when it hit Florida. Quote me on that, though. But at
least it was not a category five. That is what matters, because that would have
sucked, um, even worse than it already
did. So this led to, I
saw somewhere in the hundreds of tornado watches and
(09:46):
warnings, um, and had the
potential to be one of the most destructive hurricanes
on record for west central Florida, according to the
National Hurricane Center's October 9 statement. And
that was a statement that President Biden also
reiterated. Um, you had
local leaders in Florida, I'm talking, like, mayors
and stuff, telling Florida residents, you
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are going to die if you do not take evacuation
orders seriously, which is a crazy thing to
hear your mayor or local public servant or local
politician of any sort warn you that you are straight up going
to die if you do not do what they tell you to do because of how
severe things are. Um, that ought to rattle
your jimmies. So,
(10:30):
obviously, the situation in Florida was super duper
scary, not great. Um, again, when you start
hearing phrases like biblical levels of devastation, most
destructive hurricane on record, these are not things you ever want to
hear. I have heard, this is the
number one criticism I've heard from people. I actually brought this up with somebody
recently who was like, oh, well, they had a real bad
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hurricane in 1900. They had a real bad
hurricane in 1919. Yes.
One. Did they have three
less than a month after it that were also just as strong, if
not worse? No.
Hmm. Pattern. Hm.
Recognition. It's a great human tool.
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So I don't understand the. Oh, well, once
upon a time there was a bad thing that happened. Once. Great.
Did it happen four times in three weeks? No.
Are we just stating random facts now? So
I, again, the whole point of climate change is that
it not only makes storms, each individual
storm or hurricane or tornado, more
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intense, but it increases the frequency with
which these things happen. And quite frankly, the last,
this hurricane season particular, and I think last hurricane season
two, both fit, uh, both of those
check boxes. They checked both of the boxes off on criteria
for that. So that's what we're working with
there. So my conservative takeaway for Hurricane
Milton, again, invest in disaster recovery and
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flood control systems. Prioritize, uh, local
and state level solutions for resilience and preparedness.
Um, I think unfortunately, Hurricane Helene coming
through before Milton did, um, really crippled the
ability of a lot of individuals to
get the resources that they needed to in order, uh, in order
to communicate effectively. We just kind of saw the
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domino effect of effect of what happens
when that first initial foot drops, that first
initial boot drops, and everything that happens after
that. That's not the only wave.
So again, something to consider for the future.
Additionally, supporting private sector solutions, including green
infrastructure and flood resistant materials, very similar
solutions to with Hurricane Halene. It seems like a lot of these
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combined, as we see with most climate change solutions, are
more effective than one standalone option.
So obviously, this is not the only natural
disaster or weather phenomenon that's amplified
and driven by climate change. There are several other
examples here that I think are worth pointing out because we've either seen
this in the last few years or we'll likely see it soon to
come. One of those is wildfires. So
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rising temperatures and droughts increase their frequency
and intensity. Pardon me, I cannot speak today
of wildfires. So, uh, some examples in
recent years include California, Australia and the
mediterranean regions. We've seen wildfires
absolutely cripple each of these areas in the last few years
and they're still recovering from them. Obviously, um,
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a conservative solution to this might be focusing on better
wildfire management systems, um,
proactive forestry instead of reactive
forestry, as well as investing in technology to prevent
and control fires more effectively. Um, I would
even say monitoring fires as well, might be worth
implementing more drone systems if we're going to take the
fire watch approach and the fire tower approach.
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Another, um, natural disaster that tends to be climate driven is
flooding. Warmer air holds more moisture,
which leads to increasing rainfall and flood risks,
especially in coastal cities. And rising sea levels
tend to exacerbate this flooding, particularly with strong
storm surges, as we saw with Pauline and
Milton. Some, um, conservative solutions to this might be
investing in flood protection infrastructure, such as levees,
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stormwater systems, um, updated systems that are going
to be able to handle, infrastructurally, an increase
in the
intensity of climate driven
phenomena, as well as the promotion of flood
resistant building materials and practices.
Um, yet another natural disaster phenomenon
that can be linked to climate change is droughts and water
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scarcity. We're real blessed here in Arkansas. I don't know that
we've ever had a water scarcity issue. We have had
droughts, but it always kind of blows my mind
whenever Hannah and Zach talk about
water usage limitations. We've never had that
issue here. Um, Arkansas's moniker is the
natural state. I mean, we have a ton of greenery, even in the
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works of summers. Um, a ton of water,
tons of rivers, lakes, uh,
ponds. I mean, we've got everything but ocean,
I tell people. Um, so we're
real fortunate to not have to deal with water scarcity here. But that
doesn't mean that we shouldn't care,
obviously, because other people were grappling with this issue, like
Hannah and Zach. So, more frequent and prolonged
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droughts affect agriculture, water supplies, and
ecosystems. And we see this particularly
in areas like the American West, Africa, and
Asia. These regions are especially vulnerable. Some
conservative solutions to this might be improving water management, m
and investing in desalination, uh, technique,
technologies, taking the salt out the
water. Okay, for any of you who
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can't say that word because you're southern like me, um, and
I would also say encouraging water conservation through incentives,
not so much punishments, but things like rebates
and possible kickbacks, things of that
Nature on a benign level. So,
obviously, as conservatives, we advocate for balancing
environmental stewardship with economic growth.
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As conservatives, we advocate for market driven
solutions and technological innovation in order to address climate
change. That, to me, is really the only way
forward. The solution to climate change
is going to have to be an economic one, because
we've seen that a lot of the solutions that come from the left have no
economic basis, and they're going to do a whole lot more harm than
good by making some populations more vulnerable
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than others. What do I mean by that? Well, a lot of folks
on the left, when they talk about coming up with climate change solutions, are
always concerned about the most vulnerable among us. Um,
the poor individuals who don't have resources to relocate,
to move. These are the
populations that we see bear the brunt, the worst of climate
change. But by having a policy or
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a response that is not economically sound, you're
going to saddle other groups of people with the burden of
financially bringing that plan to life.
And as good as it might be for the planet, if it
inhibits one's quality of life because they're
financially destitute, then I wouldn't say that's a very
good plan either. I think it's time for conservatives, and
you've heard me say that, I swear, if I had a dime for every time
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I've said this on this show, I could solve climate change
economically speaking.
Conservatives are going to have to step up to the plate and acknowledge
that climate change is a pro life issue and that if
conservatives wheelhouses are
economics being financially savvy,
well, then pull out a chair, brother. Let's get to writing,
because we need a
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conservative perspective on fixing climate change, because that's the only way
it's going to be economically savvy with airtight financial
loopholes, period. I
think we also, as conservatives, need to focus on adaptation and
resilience. So building stronger infrastructure to
withstand these phenomenon and weather events. Until we get the
opportunity to mitigate and even course correct and
reverse some of these effects that we're seeing, we're going to have to
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invest in regional and local responses to improve disaster
resilience and recovery. So
when we take a step back, what can we gather from the
last, I'll say, month of
hurricane season and climate
change driven weather phenomena and natural disasters
that we've seen in the past month alone? Well,
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Hurricane Saleen and Milton have shown, you know,
if we're just looking at these two hurricanes, they've shown
that climate change is very influential when it comes to storm
behavior, with more rapid intensification and unpredictable
movements. Um, both of these storms, these
hurricanes, pardon me, have highlighted the need for
resilience, for forecasting improvements and
model updates, more accurate models to be able to
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keep up with the unprecedented changes and
rapid fluctuations that we're seeing in a lot of these storms.
That are impacted by climate change.
Obviously, um, we're going to need more innovation and
disaster mitigation technologies. Again, conservatives come to
the table. This is where we need help. Um, and
obviously, conservatives are the experts in these areas. They belong touted
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their financial prowess. Okay, do it here.
So, obviously, some conservative policy
recommendations include emphasizing a balanced
approach that combines climate mitigation through market
incentives with adaptation and resilience, fostering, uh,
innovation and private sector solutions in order to build
sustainable and resilient communities, as well as focusing
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on infrastructure disaster and
localized responses to ensuring that every community has
the ability to cope with future extreme weather
by streamlining and boosting communication
systems. So this is something that a lot of
people don't know. I hadn't originally
intended to talk about this,
but I think it's worth bringing up. This is just something. Consider this
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an action step, if you will, in 2020.
Obviously, uh, there was a big thing going on called the pandemic.
People weren't really allowed to do a whole lot of anything. It was hard to leave your
house. So I decided to become a National
Weather Service certified storm spotter and
chaser. Do I chase? No. I drive a
2011 Kia Sorento, and I'm 400 pounds. I'm not chasing anything
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but a hot dog. Do I watch? Yes.
Storm spotting is one of my favorite things to do. I am the
embodiment of the midwestern dad with his Hands on his hips,
standing in the middle of a storm. Um, you
know, like, pointing out into the yard and watching things fly
away. Love doing that. Um, Arkansas is
one of the few places that a lot of people don't like to storm chase,
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uh, just because the tree line, there are so many trees that you
can come around a corner and boom, there's a tornado right there in front of you,
not getting away if that happens. Uh, but again, I don't
chase, probably for that very reason, but I wouldn't even if I
didn't live in Arkansas. And I've noticed just over the last
four years alone as a storm spotter, as somebody who's a
little weather nerd who keeps up with those things because they
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couldn't do math and become a meteorologist and disappointed
their parents. Te I've noticed in the last
four years that these tornadoes have become more
frequent, they've become more
intense. They are happening at
times of the year that we don't normally expect them.
I'm talking within the last few years, we've had some winter
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and fall tornadoes, we've had
some Christmas tornadoes, we've had some
Thanksgiving tornadoes. Nothing like
cutting the turkey, watching the Mason Macy's day
Thanksgiving Day parade, and then hearing what sounds
like the World War Two air raid siren in your
backyard. It doesn't set the mood, it kills the
mood. Okay, but it is one way to get out of an awkward
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Thanksgiving political debate.
All that to say, I'm
not dealing with hurricanes or wildfires here. I'm dealing with
thunderstorms and tornadoes and droughts and things of that
Nature. And even here, in a state
that's considered fairly ecologically
hardy, resilient,
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we're seeing the negative consequences of this in Arkansas. Um,
Arkansas is an agricultural state. Well, when you have
unpredictable droughts and floods
that kills your crops. We're also
a well known duck hunting state.
Well, if your crops, primarily rice,
are completely defunct, you don't get much of a
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harvest. Ducks don't stop to eat in Arkansas because
there's nothing to eat. When
ducks don't stop in Arkansas because there's nothing to eat,
an entire economy limited to a certain time
of year that your state is specifically known
for disappears.
I don't know if you guys, uh, have noticed or
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not. A lot of people can't find Arkansas
on the map. Okay? We
don't have as much going for us as, say,
Texas or New York or California
or Colorado or Utah or any
of those other neat places.
The environment and Nature and its subsequent
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activities here,
in addition to agriculture,
are some of our most
lucrative economic
sectors for Arkansas, for the natural
state. And when climate change makes those
disappear, what
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comes next?
So I've got some action steps for you today,
uh, obviously, and I'm gonna keep pushing this one
until I'm blue in the face. Make sure you're
registered to vote and actually go
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vote in November, please.
Even if you don't like the two people competing to get the big
fancy house on Capitol Hill. All of the
other issues are very, very important. All your local ballot
initiatives, everybody running for your state supreme
court, everybody running for alderman, everybody running
for School board, everybody running for Congress.
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All of these things
are on your ballot. Whether you like Biden,
Trump, Harris, Vance, I don't care.
Go vote in November. I don't care who you
vote for. Just go vote. Just go
vote. You're young. Go vote. Make sure you
share this episode on your social media feed and share your
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opinion about this topic with others.
Um, im going to challenge you to consider becoming a storm
spotter or a weather spotter of some sort in your area.
Whatever is, I
guess, whatever makes the most common sense for you. In your area. Obviously
im not going to become a hurricane spotter here in Arkansas,
but consider becoming a National
weather Service certified
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expert of some sort for your area.
Once, ah, you get invested in weather patterns
and climate and meteorology
in your own place, I think you start paying more attention to those
things. I know that I did. Um, although granted I
was already a climate nerd before, but consider becoming
one of those things. I would also say reach out to your member
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of Congress or your local politicians and ask
them about infrastructural changes and architectural
changes that can be made within your city or
state or region in order to better prepare
for different weather phenomenon, natural
disasters, climate amplified phenomenon.
Uh, reach out to them, let them know, hey, I'm a young conservative and I'm
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concerned about these things. What can we do? What can be done?
How can I do my part as a civically minded citizen?
Something to consider, a bunch of different action steps for
you to consider taking here. Um, select those over and
see which one might be feasible for you. Again, I'm not asking for
a whole evening. I'm not asking for hours of your time.
I always, always, always, however, will ask you
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to get involved in the world around you.
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>> Drew Ireley (26:55):
Hi, I'm Drew Ireley. I am the conservative outreach
director for citizens climate lobby. My path
to being a conservative, uh, concerned about climate
action was definitely a long
growing up. It was a very rural area. You had to be
into the outdoors or you were going to be bored out of your mind. So I grew
up doing a lot of hunting, fishing. I was
(27:17):
only the second person on my mom's side to graduate
high School. I graduated
June, like 730 at night,
and by 08:00 the next morning, I was on my way
to basic training. On my 17th birthday,
I had deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, rotations through
Cuba. It was during this time that I really
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became concerned with energy, infrastructure, but I
wasn't ready to take action yet. It took the birth
of a ten pound baby girl with cheeks so big
she couldn't open her eyes to really get me to open
mine. My life just went from the next 50 years
to the next 75. What if she's
the veteran that follows in my footsteps and
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she's in the VA suffering from extreme,
you know, what if she's on a fossil fuel route and
subject to an IED? How will I be able to look at her in
the eye and say, I knew that this
could be an issue that you would have to face, and I chose to do nothing about
it. It's why we fight wars. You know, we fight them
now so our kids don't have to.
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I am fighting climate change now so my
daughters don't have to. A lot of people, you know, they say
conservatives don't care about climate change, and
it's not true at all. We just want sensible
policies that don't destroy the economy. In trying
to find a solution, we have that here at citizens climate
lobby.
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There are a lot of leadership opportunities for
conservatives, especially in red states and
districts with republican congressional officers.
Conservatives can also join CCL's conservative
caucus. It's a national group of
Republicans and other right of center individuals where
conservatives can get together and regularly meet
online and have strictly conservative based conversations.
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Sharing our personal story is how we make a difference.
Conservative and concerned about climate change.
You're not alone. My name is Chelsea Henderson,
and I host Republicen.org.
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