⁨Alistair Williams - Stand-Up Rebellion: Finding Humour in a Controlled World

In this episode, I chat with comedian Alistair Williams about his upcoming tour with Tanya Edwards. We discuss the challenges independent comedians face in securing venues and the collaborative nature of the comedy community. Alistair shares insights on the freedom of touring versus performing at established clubs, highlights a humorous critique of London's ULEZ system, and reflects on the impact of social media restrictions on visibility. He emphasizes the role of faith in his comedy and invites listeners to join him on tour for genuine laughter and connection.

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Episode Transcript

Hearts of Oak: And hello, Hearts of Oak. Thanks so much for joining us once again. (00:23):
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Hearts of Oak: It was great to have Alistair Williams join us to discuss his upcoming tour with Tanya Edwards. (00:26):
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Hearts of Oak: Alistair, thanks so much for your time. (00:34):
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Alistair Williams: Anytime. You're more than welcome. (00:36):
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Hearts of Oak: Great to have you on. (00:38):
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Hearts of Oak: Let's just start with maybe bringing up the dates. (00:42):
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Hearts of Oak: And then if people don't watch any more, they can at least get those dates. (00:46):
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Hearts of Oak: And they're all available on Alistair's Twitter. (00:50):
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Hearts of Oak: And we'll put all the links in the description. So, whatever you want. (00:57):
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Hearts of Oak: Northampton starts in September, 5th September. (01:02):
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Hearts of Oak: Even London, top secret comedy on the 6th. (01:05):
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Hearts of Oak: And then all the way down to Bath going into next year. (01:08):
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Hearts of Oak: Could Bath not slip in this year? Do they have to be their own year? (01:15):
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Alistair Williams: Well for somebody like me i'll be (01:19):
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Alistair Williams: honest with you it's not that easy to get a tour going really no (01:22):
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Alistair Williams: the the people might be (01:26):
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Alistair Williams: uh surprised about how controlled the comedy industry (01:29):
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Alistair Williams: is if you're not with you know live nation (01:33):
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Alistair Williams: or one of the big establishment approved touring (01:36):
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Alistair Williams: companies it's very difficult to even get people to uh let you use their room (01:40):
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Alistair Williams: people are always like why don't you go on tour why don't you come to this town (01:47):
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Alistair Williams: or whatever it's like they control the rooms they don't let you use the rooms (01:51):
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Alistair Williams: a lot of the time so this tour, (01:55):
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Alistair Williams: was a bit easier because I'm doing it with Tanya and what I did was, (01:58):
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Alistair Williams: I was supporting Andrew Lawrence at one of his gigs and I took a photo of his (02:02):
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Alistair Williams: tour poster and I'm like right all the places that let him in, (02:06):
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Alistair Williams: they'll let me in you know like if you let him. (02:10):
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Hearts of Oak: In Kitty Hopkins as well same type of thing where did she go that's (02:13):
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Alistair Williams: What you do you go oh this person's downstream from me (02:17):
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Alistair Williams: so if they're letting them in i'll be a breeze and that's (02:20):
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Alistair Williams: that's sort of where we started and um yeah (02:23):
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Alistair Williams: we sort of we snowballed it from there so a lot (02:26):
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Alistair Williams: of it is based on right who's who's going to (02:29):
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Alistair Williams: let us in and when sort of thing because it's (02:32):
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Alistair Williams: quite difficult to it's quite difficult to do a tour if you're not (02:36):
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Alistair Williams: if you don't have any help and you're not part of the big sort (02:38):
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Alistair Williams: of establishment machine which i'm most (02:41):
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Alistair Williams: definitely not and then and then the second hard thing (02:45):
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Alistair Williams: about it is like me when you've had most of your social media canceled is (02:48):
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Alistair Williams: how do you tell the people want to come and see you going on (02:51):
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Alistair Williams: tour because you know you without your (02:54):
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Alistair Williams: social media accounts and the it's very difficult to uh just you know i often (02:57):
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Alistair Williams: get people like oh man where did you go it's like i didn't go anywhere on purpose (03:03):
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Alistair Williams: it's just i never see your stuff anymore there's another one so the good way (03:06):
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Alistair Williams: to actually see my stuff is to come and see it in real life, you know? (03:11):
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Hearts of Oak: Well, here, let's, at the beginning, let's play a clip of you in action. (03:16):
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Hearts of Oak: This is about what's God's view on smashing ULES cameras, and it said comedy (03:23):
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Hearts of Oak: on lease. So let me just play this. (03:29):
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Alistair Williams: Okay. You guys enjoying the ULES zone? Enjoying that? (03:31):
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Alistair Williams: What a fantastic piece of democracy that is. Isn't it incredible? (03:37):
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Alistair Williams: Finally, they're going to clean the London's air. Do you know how they're going (03:41):
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Alistair Williams: to do it? they're going to charge us £20 to drive outside our own house. It's amazing. (03:44):
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Alistair Williams: You know, this only works in the middle class areas. Like, they trial this thing in Bath. (03:48):
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Alistair Williams: Because if you give people in Bath the choice between you've got to pay a £12.50 (03:53):
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Alistair Williams: fine or buy a £40,000 car, they're like, oh, just buy a £40,000 car. (03:56):
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Alistair Williams: If you do that in Peckham, you give them a choice between a £40,000 car or a (04:02):
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Alistair Williams: £12.50 fine, they're like, well, I think I'm going to smash up the fucking camera. (04:06):
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Alistair Williams: That's what I'm going to do. (04:10):
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Alistair Williams: Do you know who the real winner is in this scenario? Vandals. (04:15):
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Alistair Williams: Vandals used to have a bad reputation. Now it's like some Robin Hood scenario. (04:20):
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Alistair Williams: You know what I'm saying? (04:25):
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Alistair Williams: There is no one that will judge you for smashing one of these ULESS cameras. (04:26):
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Alistair Williams: You can go into a Catholic church and be like, Father, forgive me if I've sinned. (04:30):
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Alistair Williams: He'll be like, what have you done? He'll be like, I smashed up a ULESS camera. (04:33):
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Alistair Williams: He'll be like, God says that's fine, bro. (04:36):
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Alistair Williams: God also says there's a camera behind the church that's particularly annoying him. (04:42):
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Alistair Williams: You know what I think might be going on they're like oh 40 percent of these (04:54):
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Alistair Williams: cameras have been vandalized right but to be fair to Sadiq Khan I think maybe (04:57):
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Alistair Williams: 40 percent of these cameras might you know there's so many knives and bombs (05:02):
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Alistair Williams: and shit going off in London some of them have probably just been destroyed. (05:06):
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Music: Music (05:07):
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Alistair Williams: In the backswing. You know what I'm saying? (05:09):
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Alistair Williams: They're like, I like barn. (05:12):
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Hearts of Oak: A slice of wire. (05:14):
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Alistair Williams: That's probably at least 10 of them have gone down like that. You know what I mean? (05:22):
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Alistair Williams: To be fair, also, have you seen (05:27):
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Alistair Williams: the results? Wow, how clean is the air in London now? How amazing is it? (05:29):
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Alistair Williams: Me and my wife were going to go on holiday. to the Swiss Alps to get some, (05:36):
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Alistair Williams: now we're gonna go to Aldgate, just walk around. (05:39):
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Alistair Williams: The air is so clean in London now, if you go to East London, (05:45):
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Alistair Williams: you can see the knife crime happening in West London. (05:48):
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Hearts of Oak: Right, Alistair, that was you at Comedy Unleashed. And that seems to be a venue (05:59):
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Hearts of Oak: that certainly you've been at numerous times. (06:03):
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Hearts of Oak: I've been there before and seen all different comedians. I remember going and (06:08):
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Hearts of Oak: seeing Andrew Lawrence and thought, (06:12):
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Hearts of Oak: that's funny. I think the line is well behind you now, but whatever. (06:14):
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Hearts of Oak: But yeah, you talked about venues. that seems to be a venue that's been open (06:21):
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Hearts of Oak: to people and lets comedians have an amount of freedom yeah i (06:26):
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Alistair Williams: Mean 100 every venue used to (06:32):
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Alistair Williams: be like that every comedy club should be exactly (06:35):
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Alistair Williams: like that it's just like it's just it's nothing (06:38):
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Alistair Williams: incredibly it's not (06:41):
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Alistair Williams: an amazing idea it's just but it's so rare (06:44):
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Alistair Williams: now they're almost the only place it's that's doing (06:47):
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Alistair Williams: that which is just like come on stage do your (06:50):
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Alistair Williams: comedy if people laugh they laugh they don't they don't (06:53):
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Alistair Williams: but there's no other rules apart apart from that really (06:56):
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Alistair Williams: which should be now all sort (06:59):
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Alistair Williams: of comedy works if you're if you're saying something (07:01):
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Alistair Williams: that's that's mean or people don't agree with or it's you (07:05):
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Alistair Williams: know people just don't laugh and they just kind of go oh you know and (07:07):
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Alistair Williams: that sort of sort of polices itself but um it's (07:11):
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Alistair Williams: become the the realist comedy club (07:15):
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Alistair Williams: that there is really and they're sort of pulling in (07:18):
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Alistair Williams: front of all the establishment comedy (07:21):
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Alistair Williams: clubs if you like who most of the comedy clubs (07:24):
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Alistair Williams: in london they now book on the basis of right we need to get we need to get (07:27):
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Alistair Williams: 50 of people that look like this and we need to get 25 of people that look like (07:33):
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Alistair Williams: that and you know we need we need a woman we need a gay we you know that's this (07:37):
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Alistair Williams: is kind of things that they say like we need more gays we need more women it's like. (07:41):
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Alistair Williams: All you really need to do is book the funniest people and comedy in itself is quite diverse. (07:45):
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Alistair Williams: You know what I mean? If you just book the funniest people, you'll end up with (07:53):
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Alistair Williams: black people, white people, women, gay people, straight people, disabled people. (07:56):
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Alistair Williams: You know, there's a very wide mix of who is funny. (08:00):
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Alistair Williams: So you don't actually need to do any of that nonsense at all. (08:03):
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Alistair Williams: But when you do start doing that, of course, you end up with, you know, (08:07):
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Alistair Williams: bills that just don't work because you're not you're not (08:12):
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Alistair Williams: selecting the funniest people anymore you're selecting on (08:15):
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Alistair Williams: different criteria so a lot of the the bigger more (08:18):
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Alistair Williams: established comedy clubs the ones that that wouldn't book (08:21):
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Alistair Williams: me after after the brexit burger king thing it's (08:24):
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Alistair Williams: like you produce a piece of comedy that everyone loves and goes viral and i (08:27):
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Alistair Williams: write get him out of here there's a clip there's a clip online (08:30):
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Alistair Williams: of loads of people laughing at his material cut him off you (08:33):
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Alistair Williams: know that's that's how they work so you know my policy has always been okay (08:36):
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Alistair Williams: well you you you do it like that and you know we'll just we'll just let things (08:41):
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Alistair Williams: happen naturally and you know those clubs are selling less tickets and the clubs (08:45):
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Alistair Williams: like comedy at least are selling more tickets and you know i think. (08:50):
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Alistair Williams: That's one of the reasons why they have to stop me from being able to tour or (08:54):
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Alistair Williams: promoting my stuff is if if it was fair people like (08:57):
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Alistair Williams: me would win you know like the only comedy competition (09:00):
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Alistair Williams: i've ever one british comedian of the year the only reason i (09:03):
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Alistair Williams: even entered it was audience voted you know (09:06):
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Alistair Williams: and it's like the only competition i will ever win is (09:09):
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Alistair Williams: one that's audience voted so when there was one that was audience voted i'm like yeah i'm (09:12):
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Alistair Williams: gonna enter that you know because that's like (09:15):
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Alistair Williams: a real comedy competition but the way comedy competitions work is there's a (09:18):
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Alistair Williams: panel of judges and if you're not super left wing or whatever you just got it (09:21):
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Alistair Williams: doesn't matter how much people laugh so you're not gonna win they're just gonna (09:25):
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Alistair Williams: they're gonna judge you out of existence the same way the comedy festivals work (09:29):
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Alistair Williams: like edinburgh etc you know it's all sort of run by, (09:33):
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Alistair Williams: the establishment the people that write the newspaper articles about (09:37):
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Alistair Williams: who's funny the people who decide who gets to go on tv even though no one watches (09:40):
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Alistair Williams: tv anymore you know it's the way that they sort of run the whole comedy industry (09:44):
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Alistair Williams: they're very keen to tell you what you think is funny or what you want to enjoy (09:49):
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Alistair Williams: they can't let you know people decide because. (09:54):
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Hearts of Oak: It would be very obvious where does does the pressure come from advertisers (09:58):
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Hearts of Oak: or is it just self-regulating because maybe a lot the individuals are or maybe (10:02):
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Hearts of Oak: very woke in the industry or does it come from maybe wanting to get like a netflix deal and then (10:08):
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Alistair Williams: Fitting into those. (10:14):
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Hearts of Oak: Parameters hoping that it will be big where kind of does the does the restrictions come from (10:15):
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Alistair Williams: It comes from from all of those places (10:20):
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Alistair Williams: really i mean the first thing that they do to (10:23):
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Alistair Williams: comedians is you know everyone wants to get an agent and (10:26):
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Alistair Williams: everyone wants to get an agent everyone wants to get on tv even though (10:29):
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Alistair Williams: no one really watches tv anymore you can't even (10:32):
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Alistair Williams: get live work unless you're on tv if you if you look (10:35):
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Alistair Williams: at a comedy post or anything for a live comedy (10:38):
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Alistair Williams: show it'll say like the comedian's name and then (10:41):
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Alistair Williams: in brackets straight away eight out of ten cats you know um taskmaster live (10:44):
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Alistair Williams: at the you know that's how they control everything they use that as a yardstick (10:50):
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Alistair Williams: but well this person must have been on these tv shows i thought they won't be (10:54):
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Alistair Williams: any good so if you look at me on a comedy post you know alice williams, (10:57):
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Alistair Williams: you know they don't let me go on tv so people are like oh he must be rubbish (11:02):
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Alistair Williams: because he's not been on live at the apollo meanwhile the people they are putting (11:06):
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Alistair Williams: on live the apollo just absolutely terrible some of them um you know so that's (11:09):
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Alistair Williams: the first way that they control everyone's trying to get an agent everyone in (11:13):
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Alistair Williams: the whole industry is extremely woke sort of left wing so if you don't. (11:17):
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Alistair Williams: Go along with that type of stuff you know you won't get work you won't do this so everyone. (11:21):
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Alistair Williams: Pretends to think the same way and anyone that (11:27):
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Alistair Williams: sort of goes against sort of any of that you just sort of get blackballed and (11:31):
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Alistair Williams: kicked out so you know most people they're just sort of self-serving they just (11:34):
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Alistair Williams: especially the entertainment industry they just want to be famous you know they (11:38):
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Alistair Williams: just want to win they don't really have principles you know and when you get to the sort of far left, (11:41):
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Alistair Williams: side of things things get really sort (11:49):
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Alistair Williams: of weird because they all they all sort of (11:52):
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Alistair Williams: pat each on the back on how lovely and beautiful and (11:55):
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Alistair Williams: caring they are but you know at the end of that road it's (11:58):
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Alistair Williams: some guy at glastonbury chanting like death to this (12:01):
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Alistair Williams: particular group of people you know which is (12:04):
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Alistair Williams: crazy it's absolutely crazy to be chanting death (12:07):
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Alistair Williams: to anyone you you might have seen the clip i'm talking about (12:10):
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Alistair Williams: at glastonbury but even if you go around sort of (12:13):
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Alistair Williams: right-wing events in the sort of fringy sort (12:16):
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Alistair Williams: of right-wing stuff you'll never hear somebody on stage (12:19):
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Alistair Williams: chanting death to this group of people you know (12:22):
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Alistair Williams: so when you get involved in that sort of far left (12:25):
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Alistair Williams: thinking of we're so good and so special and (12:28):
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Alistair Williams: so right and the other side's so wrong you could just end up (12:31):
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Alistair Williams: in this complete mess of a situation where you're really being just horrible (12:34):
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Alistair Williams: and and mean and it's kind of what it's like in censorship and comedy right (12:37):
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Alistair Williams: it's like you guys are just being so mean and so horrible and you know under (12:41):
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Alistair Williams: the under the guise of being nice you know they all think they're being nice and. (12:46):
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Alistair Williams: To come back to your original question, most of it is controlled through getting (12:52):
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Alistair Williams: an agent, getting on TV, and also wanting to fit into the comedy industry. (12:55):
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Alistair Williams: And like you said, advertising is the excuse that your agent will use. (13:02):
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Alistair Williams: You know, my agent used to be like, you've got to get rid of this material because (13:06):
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Alistair Williams: the advertisers won't like it. It won't get you on TV. (13:09):
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Alistair Williams: And the reason I don't have an agent, I was like, no, I'm not changing that. (13:12):
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Alistair Williams: I'm not doing that. It's funny. (13:16):
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Alistair Williams: People are laughing. I'm sticking with that. and they very soon, (13:17):
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Alistair Williams: then they'll start telling everyone, oh, it's very difficult to work with oh, (13:19):
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Alistair Williams: the Alistair is incredibly hard, they start singing hard to work with and that (13:23):
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Alistair Williams: goes around, you know you can imagine, (13:26):
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Alistair Williams: it's impossible to be a real comedian these days and to operate within the system. (13:30):
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Hearts of Oak: I believe No, I saw I saw a post (13:38):
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Hearts of Oak: after that, after Bob Villa was on, (13:42):
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Hearts of Oak: I said the backlash to Bob Villa's set is (13:45):
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Hearts of Oak: disgusting i said something i i worry that (13:48):
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Hearts of Oak: glass andbury will no longer be a safe space for people who want (13:50):
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Hearts of Oak: to kill jews as i but how you (13:53):
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Hearts of Oak: can take and i guess that it's what you do you're looking (13:56):
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Hearts of Oak: at everyday situations or even bad situations (13:59):
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Hearts of Oak: and then mocking it and then wondering how (14:03):
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Hearts of Oak: far you go um so kind (14:07):
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Hearts of Oak: of where do you how do you look at things because i get you're looking (14:10):
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Hearts of Oak: at news always in terms of actually how do you look at that in a way that you (14:12):
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Hearts of Oak: can laugh at and then you think well should you be laughing at that i guess (14:17):
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Hearts of Oak: you can where does where did kind (14:22):
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Hearts of Oak: of that line go i mean i mean for you as you're preparing kind of i've (14:24):
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Alistair Williams: Actually never i've actually never offended anyone with my comedy in my entire (14:30):
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Alistair Williams: life i've never actually had a single complaint, (14:34):
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Alistair Williams: anywhere from anyone who said something else (14:37):
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Alistair Williams: something else said was really offensive and it was horrible to this (14:40):
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Alistair Williams: group of people because it's not who i am at all i don't (14:43):
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Alistair Williams: pick on anyone in my comedy i don't i'm not hard left (14:46):
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Alistair Williams: i'm not hard right i just like everyone to have a good time which you (14:49):
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Alistair Williams: know if you go back and watch brexit burger king wasn't having (14:52):
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Alistair Williams: a go at anyone wasn't mean it was just it was (14:55):
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Alistair Williams: popular and what it actually was was getting both sides of an (14:58):
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Alistair Williams: issue to laugh together and meet in the middle which is (15:01):
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Alistair Williams: it's going to sound bizarre but that's actually what they really hate is the (15:04):
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Alistair Williams: way society is built by the people that run it is they don't really care which (15:09):
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Alistair Williams: side of any issue you're on as long as you're arguing with the people who are (15:14):
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Alistair Williams: on the other side it's classic sort of divide and conquer you know what i mean so because that brexit. (15:18):
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Hearts of Oak: Wasn't you weren't targeting anyone it was just taking the situation laughing (15:23):
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Hearts of Oak: so you weren't actually holding someone up and making them a target and that's (15:28):
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Hearts of Oak: the weird thing how do you get backlash against that when you're not actually attacking anyone (15:32):
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Alistair Williams: What everyone says they're like I've seen that bit you got cancelled for that (15:36):
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Alistair Williams: and then they sort of think you can't have been cancelled for that you must (15:39):
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Alistair Williams: have said death to the Jews you know what I mean they kind of look I don't really (15:42):
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Alistair Williams: believe that but you know it is what it is, (15:47):
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Alistair Williams: but yeah genuinely that was my interpretation of it was you know they want you to be, (15:51):
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Alistair Williams: splitting society down the middle they don't care which side you're on they (15:59):
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Alistair Williams: just want you to pick a side, the whole thing's this big sort of punch and duty (16:02):
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Alistair Williams: show and they need a punch and they need a duty and that's, (16:06):
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Alistair Williams: basically the way it works and I just wasn't interested I just wasn't interested on being, (16:11):
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Alistair Williams: railroaded into any, (16:19):
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Alistair Williams: position i just wanted to you know what i mean just want to make people laugh (16:21):
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Alistair Williams: originally just for the for the joy of making people laugh and but sticking (16:25):
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Alistair Williams: to those principles quickly gets you booted out of the completely nerfed establishment (16:30):
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Alistair Williams: comedy scene basically what. (16:38):
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Hearts of Oak: You've been how long been on the the the the comedy circuit um what since really (16:41):
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Hearts of Oak: that Brexit clip, you were doing it before. (16:47):
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Hearts of Oak: Yeah. I mean, so how long has it been now? 15 years, something like that. 15? Wow. (16:51):
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Alistair Williams: How old am I? Are you maybe like 13, 14 years been doing it? Something like that. (16:56):
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Hearts of Oak: And tell us about the difference, I guess, the one with Tanya, (17:03):
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Hearts of Oak: you're doing it with someone, but there's a lot of pressure then on you. (17:09):
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Hearts of Oak: If you turn up at Comedy Unleash, you do your slot you're part of that and they (17:15):
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Hearts of Oak: promote it um but actually to do it yourself (17:20):
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Hearts of Oak: is it takes effort and you have to step out and you have to um you have to do (17:24):
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Hearts of Oak: something different tell us kind of how you focus on that and and why because (17:29):
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Hearts of Oak: it's a lot easier not doing that just (17:34):
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Alistair Williams: But you know i get a lot longer at (17:37):
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Alistair Williams: my tour show you know i get to do a longer set 45 (17:40):
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Alistair Williams: minutes if i'm on somebody else's i (17:43):
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Alistair Williams: get to do 20 minutes yeah you know so people that are coming (17:46):
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Alistair Williams: out to see me they want to come and see me and (17:48):
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Alistair Williams: they're coming out and they only get to see me for 20 minutes and (17:51):
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Alistair Williams: also i can be myself at comedy (17:54):
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Alistair Williams: unleashed but if you're coming to see me anywhere else i can't i can't really (17:57):
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Alistair Williams: be myself people they're not ready they're not ready for i can't talk about (18:01):
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Alistair Williams: the they're not ready for our organization of the tap water to you know normal (18:05):
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Alistair Williams: people you know so I can only really. (18:10):
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Alistair Williams: Do my own stuff at a place (18:15):
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Alistair Williams: like comedy unleashed or at my own tour show (18:18):
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Alistair Williams: so it's it's very different i really enjoy (18:22):
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Alistair Williams: the tour show stuff you know a lot more you (18:25):
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Alistair Williams: know it's it's exciting for me to be able to actually just (18:29):
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Alistair Williams: do my own thing without having to worry about trying to keep it as not vanilla (18:31):
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Alistair Williams: as i can but you know what i mean i just i've got to keep it people aren't people (18:38):
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Alistair Williams: that a promoter that pays me to be on a mixed bill it's like come in here make (18:43):
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Alistair Williams: these people laugh as much as you can, (18:47):
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Alistair Williams: and that's it they're not they're not paying me to get my (18:50):
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Alistair Williams: own opinions on things out there at (18:53):
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Alistair Williams: all you know what i mean you can do it but you know (18:55):
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Alistair Williams: you gotta there's a reason why no one's ever complained about (18:59):
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Alistair Williams: me because i'm booking i'm on some of your show i'm not coming (19:02):
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Alistair Williams: there to i think i'm quite different to andrew lawrence in that (19:05):
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Alistair Williams: way i'm not setting out to say the (19:07):
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Alistair Williams: most crazy conjurer i don't want half (19:11):
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Alistair Williams: the country being like oh god who is this a-hole (19:14):
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Alistair Williams: you know what i mean like i don't know that that's what (19:17):
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Alistair Williams: andrew's doing but that's you know what i mean if he's (19:20):
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Alistair Williams: not he's doing it by accident a lot you know what i'm saying so i'm quite different (19:23):
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Alistair Williams: in that respect i just i'm not going out there to shock people or say something (19:27):
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Alistair Williams: crazy i just want to say you know what i think is true and that gets me in a (19:33):
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Alistair Williams: lot of trouble mostly because it's true But. (19:38):
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Hearts of Oak: I guess the focus can be to make people laugh and the focus could be on the (19:41):
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Hearts of Oak: other side to make people gasp and shock and then somewhere in between. (19:46):
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Hearts of Oak: But I guess you don't need to go to that side. (19:52):
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Hearts of Oak: You can laugh at something and actually realize that actually you don't need (19:55):
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Hearts of Oak: to attack or have offense. (20:00):
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Hearts of Oak: So I guess it's just a different way of making people laugh. (20:02):
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Alistair Williams: Totally. That's where I'm at. (20:06):
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Hearts of Oak: Tell me about Again, working with other people, I guess Comedy Unleashed provides (20:08):
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Hearts of Oak: a point for you to connect. (20:16):
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Hearts of Oak: Because if you're not part of the mainstream group of comedians or those who (20:19):
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Hearts of Oak: are on panel shows, that sort of thing, then you have to go in a different direction. (20:26):
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Hearts of Oak: And I guess that, one, I guess Comedy Unleashed provides that connection. (20:31):
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Hearts of Oak: But then, two, what is it like doing it with one other person? (20:36):
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Hearts of Oak: And um do you do stuff together is it just separate and you've got similar outlooks on things what (20:39):
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Alistair Williams: We've got very similar outlooks on on things like (20:46):
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Alistair Williams: tanya is you know she's her own person but (20:49):
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Alistair Williams: she's a her own person but like a sort of a female version of of who i am if (20:52):
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Alistair Williams: you know what i mean she's the same she's unfiltered she's just like this is (20:57):
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Alistair Williams: what i think about things in the world and the way things are going and a lot (21:01):
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Alistair Williams: of her opinions would really you know blow people's eyes back who are just sort of, you know, (21:04):
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Alistair Williams: regular people who don't delve too deeply into stuff that they. (21:10):
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Alistair Williams: Aren't told to think on the news sort of thing so we're on (21:15):
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Alistair Williams: a very we've got a very similar sort of outlook on (21:19):
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Alistair Williams: things and you know we get a lot of people (21:22):
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Alistair Williams: who come to our shows to sort of think for themselves is the (21:24):
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Alistair Williams: best way to sort of put it and it's a good it's (21:27):
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Alistair Williams: a very good mix between tanya and me because we're quite different (21:30):
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Alistair Williams: in our styles as well and it's also (21:33):
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Alistair Williams: it's nice for us to people that have seen me and their fans maybe they've never (21:36):
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Alistair Williams: seen tanya before it's great they get to come and they see someone new and vice (21:41):
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Alistair Williams: versa you know so i think it works very well and it's also it's more fun just (21:44):
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Alistair Williams: doing it with with someone else you know what i mean it's way more fun you get to. (21:49):
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Alistair Williams: You get to both do the promotion for the tour like i'm (21:53):
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Alistair Williams: doing now and it's just it's twice as fun it's (21:56):
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Alistair Williams: it's half as much hard work and you know people (21:59):
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Alistair Williams: get two for the price of one you know it's a no it's a (22:02):
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Alistair Williams: no-brainer and often when people go on tour they bring like a support act (22:05):
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Alistair Williams: or whatever so there's often two people but that (22:08):
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Alistair Williams: tends to be someone who just goes on for like 10 15 minutes (22:11):
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Alistair Williams: at the beginning and you know they get paid like 100 pounds or (22:14):
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Alistair Williams: something awful um except for andrew lawrence who plays very well (22:17):
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Alistair Williams: as a nice guy um but you know so (22:19):
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Alistair Williams: it's the same sort of formula it's just we're both (22:22):
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Alistair Williams: doing longer sets and it's and it's split down the middle sort of (22:25):
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Alistair Williams: thing so um and it works really well when we (22:28):
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Alistair Williams: do these shows in london they've all sold out like the biggest comedy club (22:30):
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Alistair Williams: in london 330 seats it's been packed and people have been saying you got to (22:33):
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Alistair Williams: bring this to the north you've got to bring this here you've got to bring this (22:38):
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Alistair Williams: there so it's very much um uh responding to that sort of demand for us to go (22:41):
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Alistair Williams: out and and bring sort of you know real stand-up comedy back you know so that's what we're doing. (22:47):
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Hearts of Oak: Have you had people reach out to you with ideas of venues i mean i remember (22:53):
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Hearts of Oak: back in my ukip days we used to have real difficulty on getting venues and you (22:58):
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Hearts of Oak: had to kind of have friendly pubs you could gather. (23:03):
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Hearts of Oak: Do you have kind of similar people reaching out saying, hey, (23:06):
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Hearts of Oak: I've got my kind of local venue, they're up for doing stuff? I've had a couple, (23:09):
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Alistair Williams: Yeah, and there's places like –, (23:15):
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Alistair Williams: the attic, this place in Southampton, it's the attic studios that we do. (23:20):
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Alistair Williams: And they're just, they're just known as a very like, you know, (23:23):
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Alistair Williams: as proper sort of art space, you know, it's proper, (23:26):
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Alistair Williams: like they book Andrew Lawrence there, they book, you know, anyone who's a comedian, (23:28):
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Alistair Williams: they book down there and they don't police it based on people think this guy (23:32):
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Alistair Williams: shouldn't be allowed to work. (23:38):
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Alistair Williams: They're just, they're just like a normal group of people, you know? (23:38):
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Alistair Williams: So you do know of people that like that and you do occasionally get people reach (23:41):
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Alistair Williams: out and say, Hey, I've got a thing. I'd love to have you down here. (23:45):
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Alistair Williams: There's a guy who does barnyard comedy, you know, in a barn, (23:47):
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Alistair Williams: you know, there is a sort of underground movement, I guess, if you like. (23:51):
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Alistair Williams: So yeah, that does happen. (23:56):
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Alistair Williams: But, you know, like Top Seat Comedy Club is good stuff. If we're filling like (24:00):
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Alistair Williams: 330 seats in London, that's really good for these places. So there's a motivation (24:04):
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Alistair Williams: for them to have us on, you know, so it works both ways, I guess. (24:09):
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Alistair Williams: But yeah, a bit of that does happen. If anyone has a venue, hit us up. (24:14):
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Hearts of Oak: No, and it's accessible. How does, again, the finance side, because you need to survive. (24:18):
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Hearts of Oak: And I was looking at some of the venues and some of them are like 10 pounds a ticket. (24:26):
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Hearts of Oak: So it's that cheap. (24:31):
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Hearts of Oak: I mean, a pint is nearly getting close to 10 quid in parts of London. (24:35):
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Hearts of Oak: How does that actually make it work? because you need to come away obviously (24:40):
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Hearts of Oak: the the venue um gets paid but that means you're not making gazillions of pounds on (24:45):
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Alistair Williams: This no i'm not no i'm not but we price (24:50):
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Alistair Williams: the tickets fairly you know people don't (24:53):
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Alistair Williams: have loads of money these days so we price the tickets fairly (24:56):
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Alistair Williams: so that more people will come and if we fill up these venues we'll make enough (24:59):
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Alistair Williams: money that is worth it you know um it's it's a lot more if you can fill your (25:03):
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Alistair Williams: own venue with your own audience it's a much better financial deal for you than (25:09):
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Alistair Williams: going on to someone else's show you know getting the fee that they give you so, (25:13):
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Alistair Williams: You know, it does, we've priced it in such a way that people can just afford (25:19):
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Alistair Williams: to come, but it will work out for us, provided we sell, you know, enough tickets. (25:24):
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Alistair Williams: Like Northampton, for example, is 800 seats. (25:29):
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Alistair Williams: So, you know. (25:33):
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Hearts of Oak: Friday the 5th of September, Northampton. Buy your tickets now. (25:34):
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Alistair Williams: You live anywhere near there. (25:37):
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Hearts of Oak: Come along. Buy 10 tickets. (25:39):
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Alistair Williams: And bring 85 friends if you can, please. If that's okay. (25:40):
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Hearts of Oak: But yeah, getting the message out, obviously coming on shows and it's always good to have you on. (25:45):
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Hearts of Oak: I think last time, it could have been the only time actually, (25:52):
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Hearts of Oak: talking about your faith and I want to touch on that and maybe how that fits in with the comedy. (25:55):
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Hearts of Oak: But how do you promote it? (26:01):
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Hearts of Oak: Is it by just connecting with people online and actually telling people what's happening? (26:05):
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Hearts of Oak: I mean, I'd love to come along and I'll aim to come along to London the 6th of September. (26:11):
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Hearts of Oak: Um and it's uh it's a great great (26:17):
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Hearts of Oak: venue uh i've never been the venue but it's great location it's (26:20):
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Hearts of Oak: easy to come to it's not in the on the end (26:23):
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Hearts of Oak: of one of the tube lines it's actually in london yeah so but yeah how again (26:26):
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Hearts of Oak: promotion um word of mouth i guess is is a big way people see you and they say (26:31):
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Hearts of Oak: hey you need to get along alistair's coming in a couple of months um it's tickets are not expensive, (26:39):
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Hearts of Oak: so come along. Is it word of mouth the main way? (26:44):
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Alistair Williams: Yeah, there's word of mouth. There's a like a, (26:47):
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Alistair Williams: I still have social media accounts that are just kind of throttled and controlled. (26:52):
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Alistair Williams: So I can still reach a certain amount of people. (26:56):
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Alistair Williams: And then it's, you know, going on shows like this, doing interviews, (26:58):
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Alistair Williams: doing podcasts, letting people know, you know, where I'm going to be and that sort of thing. (27:01):
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Alistair Williams: So we've only just started promoting, promoting it really. (27:05):
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Alistair Williams: This is like the first week of really sort of promoting it. But yeah, (27:09):
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Alistair Williams: it's just doing sort of everything that you can. (27:12):
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Alistair Williams: But the tickets are selling pretty fast. You know, we're quite excited about, (27:14):
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Alistair Williams: you know, the start that we've made. (27:17):
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Alistair Williams: And obviously London, people would just come. they would come and they would come (27:19):
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Alistair Williams: and they would come so we're imagining that that will just (27:22):
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Alistair Williams: be the same you know all across the sort of the (27:25):
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Alistair Williams: the uk um and i think it will but (27:28):
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Alistair Williams: you know we don't have the establishment media (27:30):
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Alistair Williams: thing behind us we're not going to be on you know (27:35):
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Alistair Williams: the tv shows and you know it's not going to be there's a lot (27:37):
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Alistair Williams: of it's a lot of cross promotion like people that (27:40):
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Alistair Williams: are already famous they talk about the up-and-coming person and (27:43):
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Alistair Williams: they follow them on tour there's a lot of there's a lot of that you know (27:46):
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Alistair Williams: we don't have access to any of that stuff but you know (27:49):
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Alistair Williams: it's going well it's going well so i'm confident that (27:52):
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Alistair Williams: uh you know we can sell a lot of these venues out and um that's the way it's (27:56):
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Alistair Williams: been going so far and i think people there's an appetite for this there really (28:00):
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Alistair Williams: is an appetite for real stand-up comedy it's a great night out people that that (28:04):
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Alistair Williams: come they're always like man i enjoyed that so much i've laughed like that you (28:08):
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Alistair Williams: know for a long time it's really really good for you it's gonna be a health but it's. (28:11):
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Hearts of Oak: The social side as well it's about connecting with um like-minded people uh (28:15):
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Hearts of Oak: and it's going to the uh the venue listening to you and tanya but also going (28:20):
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Hearts of Oak: out and having a drink after and (28:26):
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Alistair Williams: We do everything every time we do a date we go right we're going here afterwards (28:28):
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Alistair Williams: and people you know a lot of people come they're like dude i don't have anyone (28:32):
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Alistair Williams: that thinks like me near where i am and they make friends at these events you (28:36):
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Alistair Williams: know what i mean so that side of it is great as well so yeah thanks for thanks (28:39):
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Alistair Williams: for mentioning that i probably should mention that. (28:43):
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Hearts of Oak: As well no no what about connect with other have you looked at i mean (28:44):
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Hearts of Oak: throughout the covid tyranny we've all connected with people (28:50):
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Hearts of Oak: that we may wouldn't have expected um or in (28:53):
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Hearts of Oak: different areas um i kind of think that the music industry and there have been (28:56):
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Hearts of Oak: individuals who stood out in terms of speaking truth through music and have (29:00):
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Hearts of Oak: been cancelled and censored and all of that um have you ever thought of mixing (29:06):
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Hearts of Oak: kind of the the comedy side with uh with music (29:11):
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Alistair Williams: Yeah i guess so um they i (29:14):
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Alistair Williams: mean people kind of do that they have like um certain festivals (29:17):
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Alistair Williams: you know it sounds beautiful festival is (29:22):
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Alistair Williams: one that comes to mind jam for freedom is (29:25):
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Alistair Williams: another one i went to wasn't the (29:28):
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Alistair Williams: best organized but um you know (29:31):
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Alistair Williams: there are people out there doing that with the sort of the festival scene which (29:34):
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Alistair Williams: is i do appear at those ones that i mentioned so i do go along and and and do (29:39):
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Alistair Williams: comedy at those sort of events but yeah it's so it is a good idea and it has (29:44):
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Alistair Williams: sort of been done but at the moment yes this is enough admin for me, (29:49):
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Alistair Williams: peter just organizing a comedy tour bring in symbols and accordions or whatever (29:55):
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Alistair Williams: maybe maybe next time but for now just just start off with this and maybe work (30:01):
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Alistair Williams: up to that you know what i mean. (30:06):
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Hearts of Oak: Tell me about and i and the last time around (30:08):
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Hearts of Oak: we really focused completely on this but just to touch (30:11):
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Hearts of Oak: on it about uh faith and how that um fitting (30:14):
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Hearts of Oak: because i i guess in some ways comedians (30:18):
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Hearts of Oak: are supposed to be vanilla just make people (30:22):
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Hearts of Oak: laugh and you don't bring your views into it (30:25):
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Hearts of Oak: because you may actually alienate people (30:28):
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Hearts of Oak: but if someone just laughs at something just like if someone goes (30:31):
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Hearts of Oak: to a band and sings along that that's fine then (30:34):
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Hearts of Oak: you talk about killing people then it's like oh i don't really like (30:37):
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Hearts of Oak: that so suddenly you divide um how does it work in terms of um yeah actually (30:39):
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Hearts of Oak: in terms of you putting yourself out one you've got vulnerability um but two (30:45):
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Hearts of Oak: there's a danger then of splitting or the or the other side i guess is is getting (30:50):
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Hearts of Oak: a group of people who really feel part of what you do, (30:56):
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Hearts of Oak: and connect with you on a deeper level, maybe. (30:59):
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Alistair Williams: Yeah. I mean, the key to everything is making it funny. (31:02):
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Alistair Williams: Like, that's the great thing about standup comedy is if, if you make it funny (31:07):
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Alistair Williams: and people are laughing. (31:11):
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Alistair Williams: They really don't care what you're talking about. They're listening. They're interested. (31:13):
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Alistair Williams: If that's what a good public speaker is somebody that throws like jokes in there (31:16):
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Alistair Williams: or people are laughing. It's like, Oh, you're considering your audience here. (31:20):
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Alistair Williams: Like you're making this. So I'm enjoying what you're saying outside of the point (31:24):
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Alistair Williams: that you're making. You just sort of making it funny. (31:28):
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Alistair Williams: And with my faith, it's just such a rich vein of, of, of comedy in, (31:31):
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Alistair Williams: you know, almost not many people are sort of Christians anymore. (31:38):
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Alistair Williams: Right. and they sort of look at you like you're some sort of maniac if you think (31:41):
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Alistair Williams: that Jesus was a real person to be believed in. (31:46):
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Alistair Williams: But when you stop and you really think about it, like your birthday, (31:51):
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Alistair Williams: which is what everyone knows when they were born. (31:57):
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Alistair Williams: Your birthday, what it really tells you is how many years, months, (31:59):
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Alistair Williams: and days after Jesus you were born. (32:03):
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Alistair Williams: But people look at me and they laugh at me because I believe in Jesus. (32:07):
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Alistair Williams: It's like without Jesus, you don't know when you were born, you know, (32:11):
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Alistair Williams: like every date in history revolves around this guy, you know, (32:14):
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Alistair Williams: being born and people have forgotten what he said. (32:19):
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Alistair Williams: They've forgotten that he's any sort of figure to be looked up to. (32:22):
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Alistair Williams: It's like all time, all of the dates that we have stopped and were rewritten (32:26):
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Alistair Williams: and were wrapped around this guy. (32:32):
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Alistair Williams: And people don't even, they don't even investigate him anymore. (32:35):
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Alistair Williams: You know, they don't really know what he said. they've just forgotten about (32:38):
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Alistair Williams: him and we're following other things now you (32:41):
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Alistair Williams: know like ourselves the number of followers (32:44):
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Alistair Williams: that we have and things are just getting awful you know (32:47):
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Alistair Williams: things society is really sort of dropping down and further and further and further (32:50):
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Alistair Williams: and there's actually there's such a rich vein of comedy and just sort of you (32:55):
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Alistair Williams: know i'm ricky debased this is big hour about how anyone who believes in god (33:00):
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Alistair Williams: is a complete idiot well i just sort of like to flip it around you You know what I mean? (33:03):
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Alistair Williams: And just sort of attack back the other way and say, wait a minute, (33:08):
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Alistair Williams: isn't it crazy to have the opposite opinion, which you're never going to see on the TV. (33:11):
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Alistair Williams: They're never going to let that sort of opinions be sort of let loose out there. (33:16):
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Alistair Williams: You know, there's a huge rich vein of comedy in there for somebody who actually (33:21):
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Alistair Williams: believes in God and can sort of, you know, poke fun at the idea of, (33:26):
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Alistair Williams: wait a minute, you don't think there's sort of a creator in this entire incredible universe? (33:30):
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Alistair Williams: You think this is all just some big sort of accident, you know? (33:35):
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Alistair Williams: Like you believe in nothing, which is what they give you instead of God. (33:39):
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Alistair Williams: You know, it's actually you either believe in God or you believe in nothing. (33:44):
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Alistair Williams: And it's like well you know which of those sounds like it might be better for (33:47):
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Alistair Williams: you you know to believe in god or to believe in nothing because if you look (33:51):
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Alistair Williams: at the the creation of the universe it's either well god either created it or (33:56):
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Alistair Williams: what does what does the world tell you it's like oh nothing, (33:59):
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Alistair Williams: exploded you know it's it's either god or nothing and (34:03):
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Alistair Williams: people actually think that believing in nothing makes them (34:06):
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Alistair Williams: better off but we all know that not to be true (34:09):
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Alistair Williams: you know is it good to believe in nothing no you ask (34:12):
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Alistair Williams: people that no you shouldn't believe in nothing but that's that's (34:15):
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Alistair Williams: what is actually behind the curtain of what they've replaced god (34:18):
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Alistair Williams: with you know they did the whole indiana jones you know the old switcheroo (34:21):
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Alistair Williams: they took god out and they replaced it with nothing and then people have got (34:24):
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Alistair Williams: this hole inside of them living these miserable lives you know everything in (34:28):
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Alistair Williams: the world's getting more bleak more gray you know and and we're wondering why (34:32):
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Alistair Williams: it's because you They took out the soul of every human being and replaced it with nothing. (34:36):
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Alistair Williams: So it's really sort of exploring that. This is a large part of my set. (34:43):
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Alistair Williams: It's really exploring that, but giving people something to laugh about at the same time. (34:46):
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Hearts of Oak: It's interesting when you watch some people who are more high-profile kind of (34:52):
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Hearts of Oak: making the journey and realizing that to be an atheist, to believe there is nothing, (34:57):
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Hearts of Oak: that is a very absolute position that you're betting your life on, (35:03):
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Hearts of Oak: and you can never know there is nothing. (35:07):
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Hearts of Oak: And so you see people as they begin to realize that's quite a stupid position to have. (35:09):
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Hearts of Oak: Oh, maybe there might be a goal. Okay, we're now in the maybe. (35:15):
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Hearts of Oak: Now keep moving along there. But that absolute, no, 100% it doesn't exist. 100%? Wow. (35:18):
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Hearts of Oak: That is fairly certain and a crazy level of certainty for what life is all about. (35:24):
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Alistair Williams: And a lot of people have this people don't realize people do not realize how quickly, (35:31):
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Alistair Williams: this turned around like these days most people (35:38):
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Alistair Williams: in this country don't believe in god a hundred years ago everyone did 100 years (35:41):
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Alistair Williams: ago which is a tiny fraction of time literally almost everyone did 300 years (35:47):
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Alistair Williams: ago they would look at you like you crazy if you don't believe in god for thousands (35:52):
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Alistair Williams: for all of human history, we have believed in God. (35:56):
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Alistair Williams: It is very recent that we've decided that God is a load of nonsense. (35:59):
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Alistair Williams: And instead, because we've got technology, we're so smart now that we don't need in God. (36:04):
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Alistair Williams: Meanwhile, we're just staring at these things, becoming more and more miserable. (36:09):
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Alistair Williams: We've just decided that God isn't real. And we're turning little boys into girls (36:13):
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Alistair Williams: and chopping their genitals off. (36:18):
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Alistair Williams: And we don't know which toilet to go in. You know what I mean? (36:19):
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Alistair Williams: Like we think we've progressed. (36:22):
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Alistair Williams: We don't believe in God anymore. And we're like, we don't know which toilet (36:23):
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Alistair Williams: to go in. You know what I mean? (36:27):
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Alistair Williams: Like things have got so bad, so fast. (36:29):
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Alistair Williams: And, and people haven't even stopped to think like, like, wait a second. (36:34):
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Alistair Williams: This, this position of there is no God. There is no, there is no, (36:39):
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Alistair Williams: um, point to what we're doing. (36:44):
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Alistair Williams: You know, it's all just, we're just some freak occurrence, (36:46):
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Alistair Williams: some nothing exploded and then we became tadpoles (36:50):
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Alistair Williams: and then the tadpoles changed into chickens and then the chickens changed into (36:54):
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Alistair Williams: giraffes and they changed into monkeys and now now i'm me and no one ever stops (36:57):
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Alistair Williams: to be like wait a minute that's the most ridiculous thing that i've ever heard (37:01):
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Alistair Williams: in my life people don't realize that all these things are called theories the big bang theory no it's. (37:07):
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Hearts of Oak: We've recreated i'm sure (37:14):
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Alistair Williams: None of it is science you know like science the (37:15):
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Alistair Williams: idea of a science experiment okay people think these things are (37:18):
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Alistair Williams: science the idea of a science experiment is i can (37:21):
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Alistair Williams: tell you something is true and you can come along and you can perform the same (37:23):
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Alistair Williams: experiment and you'll get the same result and that'll show you that it's true (37:28):
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Alistair Williams: there isn't a single example in the world anywhere there's no experiment you (37:32):
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Alistair Williams: can do where you can take a duck and it then becomes, (37:37):
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Alistair Williams: a turtle, right? There isn't any experiment anywhere that shows an animal or (37:43):
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Alistair Williams: any life form changing kind from one to another. (37:49):
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Alistair Williams: There isn't any science behind that whatsoever. (37:51):
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Alistair Williams: Showing you a picture of some bones or a little graph of like a monkey slowly (37:54):
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Alistair Williams: becoming a person, that is not science at all. (38:00):
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Alistair Williams: That is like a drawing that a child can do. (38:03):
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Alistair Williams: There's actually no scientific proof behind the theory of evolution. (38:06):
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Alistair Williams: And if you get into the history, of charles darwin (38:11):
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Alistair Williams: who was a huge satanist right and the whole (38:14):
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Alistair Williams: it was a freemason and this whole theory of evolution was created and it's really (38:17):
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Alistair Williams: laughable when you dig into it to get people to just go oh i'm so smart that (38:23):
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Alistair Williams: i can forget about god now because i was just i was a monkey and then i just (38:26):
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Alistair Williams: changed into me so you know there's actually a very sinister agenda. (38:31):
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Alistair Williams: Behind getting everyone to to feel (38:37):
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Alistair Williams: like they're nothing and they were created from nothing and they're not made (38:40):
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Alistair Williams: in the image of god you know instead you're just (38:43):
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Alistair Williams: a randomly created bag of cells (38:46):
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Alistair Williams: or whatever if you get into the mathematics of the possibility the mathematical (38:49):
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Alistair Williams: possibility that two life forms would create sexual reproductive organs in the (38:54):
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Alistair Williams: male and the female that work together perfectly okay and they what they just (39:01):
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Alistair Williams: randomly evolved male and female well, reproductive, (39:05):
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Alistair Williams: well, do you have any idea of the, it's a mathematical impossibility evolution. (39:08):
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Alistair Williams: No one's going to create comedy about this apart from me. No one's going to look at this, (39:13):
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Alistair Williams: you know, and if they do, they certainly won't be on the television, (39:17):
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Alistair Williams: but if you're Ricky Gervais and you want to do a whole hour about how God is (39:20):
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Alistair Williams: this idiot and completely made up, oh, dude, you'll be everywhere. (39:24):
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Alistair Williams: You know, if you want to get people to doubt in God, that'll be so, (39:29):
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Alistair Williams: so popular. But if you want to take the other, um, (39:33):
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Alistair Williams: side of it, you know, you'll, you'll never see the light of day, (39:36):
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Alistair Williams: but it's where it is. Sorry. Long answer. (39:39):
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Hearts of Oak: No, I don't know. It's, I think it was one of Eric Metaxe's books that I read (39:42):
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Hearts of Oak: and he goes into, um, the, the world and the, the chances of things happening. (39:48):
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Hearts of Oak: And even if you look at the elements in the, in the world, um, (39:54):
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Hearts of Oak: and the elements are perfectly designed to actually have life. (39:59):
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Hearts of Oak: Um, And if you have a percentage out here and there, then life doesn't, isn't possible. (40:03):
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Hearts of Oak: And so the chances of even taking two of the elements for exactly the same are like billions to one. (40:09):
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Hearts of Oak: And then you take everything, including distance from the sun and all the makeup, the atmosphere. (40:15):
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Hearts of Oak: It is utterly impossible. And yet we've, we believe the impulse, (40:20):
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Hearts of Oak: which I guess it's concerning because it shows people are maybe naturally gullible. (40:25):
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Hearts of Oak: And they go with something which looks confident, which is utter BS. (40:32):
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Hearts of Oak: And yet they buy into it just because, I guess just because everyone else says (40:38):
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Hearts of Oak: it and they just nod along. It makes you feel smart. (40:42):
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Alistair Williams: It makes it the same way having a smartphone makes you feel smart. (40:44):
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Alistair Williams: But in actual fact, this smartphone, this phone is very smart, but it makes you dumb. (40:48):
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Alistair Williams: You know, no one knows how to do anything anymore. No one knows how to question (40:53):
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Alistair Williams: anything anymore. It's just the same thing with AI. (40:56):
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Alistair Williams: You know, it's so smart. But what it really does is just make people lazy. (40:59):
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Alistair Williams: It makes people dumb and it makes people, you know, rely on something else apart (41:03):
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Alistair Williams: from, you know, what's, what's in them. (41:07):
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Alistair Williams: And I think that's the way society is going. (41:09):
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Alistair Williams: And the more technology that we have, the more miserable everyone is, (41:13):
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Alistair Williams: you know, that's the part of my act where I talk, (41:17):
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Alistair Williams: explain about all the new inventions that we were given and how things are just (41:20):
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Alistair Williams: noticeably a lot worse since, since we got them, but they pretend like, Oh, great. (41:24):
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Alistair Williams: We've got this and that you know even like (41:29):
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Alistair Williams: um you know how we've got streaming services (41:33):
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Alistair Williams: right and like you just click a button and you watch this movie or that and (41:36):
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Alistair Williams: people think oh that must be so much better than the old days i remember do (41:40):
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Alistair Williams: you remember walking around like a blockbuster video like how fun that was how (41:43):
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Alistair Williams: amazing and nostalgic watch a video of like blockbuster video dude that was (41:47):
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Alistair Williams: kids running out look at this look at that now people just, (41:52):
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Alistair Williams: you know on streaming services the stuff that they give you that you think is (41:56):
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Alistair Williams: making your life better if you actually drill into it it's actually making you you know miserable. (42:01):
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Hearts of Oak: That's true you know i get you watch something and now you're told well here (42:06):
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Hearts of Oak: are the next 10 programs you want to (42:10):
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Alistair Williams: Watch and. (42:12):
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Hearts of Oak: They're all number one all 10 of them are number one in the uk so you have to (42:13):
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Hearts of Oak: watch it there's no um yeah going to wait for something to come out and of being (42:16):
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Hearts of Oak: a blockbuster and being promoted and critiqued and not just here's the next (42:21):
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Hearts of Oak: 10 things to do so you don't have to do anything or 10 things to watch you don't have to do anything (42:26):
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Alistair Williams: Yeah. (42:30):
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Hearts of Oak: I want to finish with, I had Alex Phillips on the other day, and it was interesting. (42:32):
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Hearts of Oak: I reached out to her after I saw her baptism, which she put up. (42:40):
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Hearts of Oak: And that's really interesting. Someone in the media space, kind of the political (42:45):
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Hearts of Oak: space, vocal about their faith. (42:47):
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Hearts of Oak: And you as well, because you don't have to do your Sunday Bible readings. (42:51):
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Hearts of Oak: You don't have to go with that. (42:56):
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Hearts of Oak: You could be a Christian, I guess, although it isn't possible. (42:58):
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Hearts of Oak: But we're told it is, you can be a Christian in private and not really talk about it. (43:01):
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Hearts of Oak: And I think, yeah, we don't really wear our faith on our sleeves often, (43:07):
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Hearts of Oak: but it's actually not possible if you're a Christian to believe the good news (43:12):
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Hearts of Oak: of the Bible, to actually not want to express that, to keep it quiet. So, yeah. (43:18):
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Alistair Williams: Yeah, I think it's important these days for people to say, listen this is what (43:24):
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Alistair Williams: we're missing this is what is making everything go wrong this is you know, (43:32):
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Alistair Williams: this is where we're going wrong we're moving away from (43:38):
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Alistair Williams: god we're moving away from the teachings (43:41):
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Alistair Williams: of jesus which is love other people as as and (43:44):
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Alistair Williams: treat them as you would want them to be treated you know (43:47):
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Alistair Williams: when you actually when you actually dig in to the things that it's christianity (43:50):
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Alistair Williams: that made this country great this is a people talk about oh the fall of the (43:57):
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Alistair Williams: west like being in the west somehow makes a country more productive because (44:01):
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Alistair Williams: we're in the west but there's no western. (44:06):
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Alistair Williams: You know, uh, set of principles that we all follow, you know, (44:11):
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Alistair Williams: it's France was a Christian country. (44:14):
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Alistair Williams: You know, the UK was a Christian country. We followed the teachings of God made (44:17):
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Alistair Williams: human, Jesus Christ. We followed his teachings. We followed his principles. (44:24):
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Alistair Williams: We had people that run the country. (44:28):
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Alistair Williams: Everyone believed in God. And there was a shared morality. The people that were (44:31):
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Alistair Williams: ruling over us all believed that an all powerful God was watching everything (44:34):
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Alistair Williams: they did, and they were going to get judged by him if they didn't do the right (44:38):
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Alistair Williams: thing. So people do the right thing. Now we don't have any of that. (44:42):
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Alistair Williams: We don't have people. We don't have God-fearing people running the country. (44:45):
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Alistair Williams: So what do you get? You get corruption. (44:49):
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Alistair Williams: You get, you know, huge, giant businessmen with no morals ruining everyone's life. (44:51):
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Alistair Williams: You know, you get digital control grids. You know, it's important for people (44:57):
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Alistair Williams: to say, you know, this is actually, it's a spiritual problem that we're having. (45:02):
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Alistair Williams: It's not not a political one you know there's no (45:07):
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Alistair Williams: you can't vote your way out of this you know the guys (45:10):
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Alistair Williams: in the red tie or the guys in the blue tie ultimately if you ask me they're (45:13):
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Alistair Williams: all part of the same you know same thing they're all part of the same thing (45:17):
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Alistair Williams: i don't think you can you can vote your way out of this it's uh it's a spiritual (45:22):
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Alistair Williams: war that we're in it's uh good against evil and um Um. (45:26):
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Alistair Williams: Yeah, that's, I think it's important to give people that option and to, (45:32):
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Alistair Williams: you know, speak about your faith and, you know, to, to be that voice of one (45:38):
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Alistair Williams: crying in the wilderness, make straight the way of the Lord, you know? (45:45):
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Hearts of Oak: Yeah being a being a prophet to this generation and and speaking out um i love you coming on and (45:49):
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Hearts of Oak: it is um just if people watch your your last um on rumble uh he does have his (45:57):
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Hearts of Oak: mic muted so it does take a while so it's always good having your mic on whenever (46:04):
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Hearts of Oak: you're you're doing kids come (46:08):
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Alistair Williams: In and they press the buttons and people forget to check and they like the mute button. (46:09):
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Hearts of Oak: Do you know what mine so one of my younger one somehow he has redone my sound (46:13):
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Hearts of Oak: desk when i turn it on it comes up a female voice that's the and then i have (46:20):
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Hearts of Oak: to i don't know how he's done it and i can't get rid of it so that's the hard (46:24):
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Alistair Williams: Thing you have to bring them back in and get them to mash the keyboard and sometimes (46:28):
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Alistair Williams: it comes back on that's what i do come. (46:31):
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Hearts of Oak: Up with something but let me just bring up this just to remind people thank (46:33):
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Hearts of Oak: you um you got northampton friday the 5th september you get London the 6th, (46:37):
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Hearts of Oak: there you've got Totnes, (46:42):
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Hearts of Oak: then all the way through Newcastle, Ludlow, Stafford, Glasgow, (46:44):
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Hearts of Oak: Southampton and into Bath. (46:49):
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Hearts of Oak: If all those are a sellout, then maybe Alistair will get over to Wales. Is Ludlow there? (46:52):
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Alistair Williams: I'd love to be Wales. (46:58):
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Hearts of Oak: And you'd love to go to Northern Ireland, wouldn't you? (47:00):
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Alistair Williams: Yeah, big time. If anyone's got a venue there, hit me up. (47:02):
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Hearts of Oak: Those are two options, so we'll have to see what we can do on that but certainly (47:06):
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Hearts of Oak: i'll aim to be there in on london on the 6th of september so go through um as i said tickets (47:11):
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