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Hearts of Oak:
And hello, Harts of Oak. Thanks so much for joining us once again. (00:24):
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Hearts of Oak:
It's great to have our favorite Canadian with us. That is Ezra Levant. (00:27):
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Hearts of Oak:
Ezra, thanks so much for giving us your time today. (00:33):
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Ezra Levant:
Oh, it's my pleasure. It's great to catch up with you. (00:35):
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Hearts of Oak:
Always good to catch up. So much to discuss and rebel news are everywhere. (00:38):
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It seems as though, Ezra, your team are just always expanding. (00:46):
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The areas you cover, the places you go, (00:50):
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not even mentioning the avi all the way down, down under, but you seem to have (00:54):
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always a growing team, new people that are covering what is happening and holding this. (01:00):
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Certainly the Canadian government and wider to account. (01:06):
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Ezra Levant:
Well, thanks very much. I mean, we do love to recruit citizen journalists, (01:09):
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so we're always keeping our eyes peeled. (01:13):
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And by citizen journalists, I mean people who typically don't go to journalism (01:16):
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school and don't come from the mainstream media. (01:20):
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I use the word regime media now because so many mainstream journalists really (01:23):
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are just spokesmen for the political media industrial complex. (01:28):
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There are, of course, some exceptional examples to the contrary. (01:32):
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I have to tell you, I really admire a lot of the journalism done by GB News. (01:38):
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I think they're doing great stuff, especially on migrants. (01:43):
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What they've been doing the last week in Calais, I think, is excellent. (01:47):
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But on the whole, if you are an establishment news source, I really don't care (01:52):
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what they say because I feel like I'm not getting the whole story. (01:57):
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So at Rebel News, our motto is telling the other side of the story. (01:59):
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And I love finding young citizen journalists and throwing them into the deep end. (02:03):
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Hearts of Oak:
Tell us about the situation in Canada regarding immigration, because in the UK, (02:09):
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we have those, as you mentioned, and it was just on GB News, (02:13):
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about those immigrant camps in France, in Calais, to try and get people over (02:17):
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that small stretch of water, the English Channel, (02:23):
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one of, if not the busiest stretches of water in the world. (02:26):
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And we have a huge issue in that and also many other ways. (02:29):
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Where does the pressure come in Canada in terms of the illegal immigration? (02:34):
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Ezra Levant:
Yeah, great question. So many folks come to the UK in dinghies. (02:40):
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They just get in a boat and cross over. And by the way, once they're in the (02:45):
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UK, they cross over from Northern Ireland into Ireland itself. (02:49):
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So it really is a pipeline of refugee fraud. (02:54):
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These are not genuine refugees. They're not coming in in a normal rules-based (03:00):
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system. Everyone knows they're fake. (03:06):
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Same thing in the United States where millions of people walked across the southern (03:08):
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border under Joe Biden. In Canada, it's different. (03:14):
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We do have some fraudulent illegals walking right across the U.S.-Canada border. (03:18):
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And you might say, why would anyone cross from America into Canada? (03:24):
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That doesn't make sense. (03:27):
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Well, think about what's going on there. Donald Trump is deporting foreigners (03:28):
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who don't have a legal basis to be there. (03:34):
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So if you are a criminal or someone who's been ordered deported in America, (03:36):
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you have two choices, three choices. You can hide, you can, I guess, (03:42):
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comply, or you can scoot across into Canada. (03:47):
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And for example, there's an enormous number of Haitians, people from Haiti in (03:51):
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the United States, they were given a special dispensation because there was (03:57):
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an earthquake and another trauma in Haiti. Well, Trump is saying that's over now, go home. (04:01):
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If you are, Haiti is one of the worst places in the world. (04:05):
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I mean, God bless the people. I wish them nothing but the best, (04:09):
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but that is a failed state. It is run by rival gangs. It is terrible. (04:11):
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Peter, if you were a Haitian person who has spent the last 10 years in the United (04:17):
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States, wouldn't you want to do anything besides going home? (04:21):
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Well, they're all coming across the border and going to a French speaking city (04:26):
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in Canada called Montreal. (04:30):
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So that's an example of how people who were ordered deported from America are (04:32):
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crossing our undefended border to get here. But other than that, (04:38):
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Most of the migrants to Canada are legal. And that's because Justin Trudeau (04:44):
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and our new prime minister, Mark Carney, have opened the floodgates. (04:50):
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I just saw a statistic this morning. (04:55):
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There are more than 3 million temporary residents in Canada who do not have citizenship. (04:57):
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These are fake students who sign up to sort of diploma mills, (05:06):
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like fake colleges. and they have the right to work. (05:12):
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So they say they're students, they pay 10 grand for tuition, (05:15):
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which is basically a bribe. (05:19):
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We have official temporary foreign workers, which are basically foreigners taking (05:21):
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entry-level jobs away from youth. (05:27):
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Like I remember my very first job when I was 14, I worked in a burger stand (05:29):
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for minimum wage, exactly $3.80 or whatever it was. (05:35):
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That job now would not go to a young Canadian looking for the first rung on the ladder. (05:40):
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That job would go to someone typically from India. We have an enormous influx (05:46):
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of people from India and Bangladesh. (05:51):
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And so you have millions of foreigners in Canada. (05:54):
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And the trouble is in the UK, theoretically, you could deport them because they came illegally. (05:58):
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In America, they're deporting hundreds of thousands. (06:05):
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But in Canada, other than some of those illegal border crossings, (06:08):
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like the Haitians I just mentioned, everyone else is here actually with the (06:12):
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approval of the government. It's shocking. (06:17):
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We have opened the floodgates and (06:18):
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I think we have to start using the word re-migration. This country is... (06:21):
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Is like you think canada is a big place look (06:27):
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at it on the map it's the second largest land mass in (06:30):
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the world but most of that is uninhabitable it's (06:32):
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tundra it's ice 90 i don't know if you know the stat peter 90 of canadians live (06:35):
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within an hour's drive of the u.s border canada looks huge but it's actually (06:42):
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that thin band right across from the u.s and we have dumped in 3 million foreigners (06:46):
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in a country of 40 million people. (06:53):
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So nearly 10% of Canadians. (06:55):
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In fact, I just saw that 18% of the workforce is foreign. (06:59):
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What are we doing? Especially when unemployment is high, youth unemployment is double digits. (07:04):
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Why are we doing this? And just like in the UK, migrants drive down wages and (07:09):
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they drive up rents. And I get it. (07:15):
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If I was born in Calcutta, I would do anything to get to London or Toronto. (07:18):
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If I was born in Haiti, I would do anything to get to Montreal. (07:23):
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But Canada is for Canadians, just like the UK should be for Brits and Ireland should be for the Irish. (07:28):
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One last thing, and I know I'm going on, this is a 10-minute answer to your 30-second question. (07:34):
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I've spent a little bit of time in Ireland recently. I've (07:40):
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never been there until last year it's a very interesting place i have an affection (07:43):
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for the irish and the thing about ireland my favorite part about ireland is (07:47):
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how irish it is it's my favorite part of italy how italian it is my favorite (07:54):
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part of france is how french it is (07:59):
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It's not diversity when all of these countries bring in millions and millions (08:03):
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of migrants from Syria and Somalia and Afghanistan. (08:07):
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Then it's not, then Ireland isn't Irish anymore. I want true diversity. (08:13):
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I want there to be an Irish Ireland, an Italian Italy, a Polish Poland, (08:19):
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a Russian Russia. I want every country to be themselves. (08:24):
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And what's so crazy about Ireland is it's such a tiny place. (08:28):
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There's only 5 million Irish. By the way, a million of those are foreign. (08:32):
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And why is that little island with that little population, why has it hurtled (08:37):
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so quickly towards, I don't want to use the phrase replacement immigration, but it's hard to (08:43):
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Resist that conclusion when you see the extreme steps. (08:51):
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Give me 30 more seconds on this. I know I'm at 20 minutes long answer now. (08:56):
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I think I might've told you, I went to this little village called Dundrum in (08:59):
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Ireland, population 200. (09:03):
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Stop me if I've told you this before. (09:06):
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It's like a picture postcard. It's the prettiest place in the world. (09:08):
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I immediately became nostalgic for Dundrum when I was in Dundrum. (09:12):
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Like it's just such an ineffable place. I thought, oh my God, (09:17):
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god who would ever want to leave here i (09:21):
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feel like i'm in a storybook okay so (09:24):
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population 200 in one fell swoop the irish (09:27):
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government without consultation or permission rent (09:30):
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just did a deal with the local golf and country club took it off the market (09:33):
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as a hotel and golf course and put 240 migrant men in there immediately rendering (09:39):
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the irish population of dundrum a minority they were not consulted (09:46):
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dundrum is a high trust society everyone knows everyone (09:51):
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and in fact when i was there with my cameraman we stopped at the side of the (09:55):
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road to film what we call b-roll just background footage and someone pulls over (09:59):
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and says hey who are you what are you doing in a nice enough way but this is (10:02):
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neighbors checking on neighbors who's the out-of-towner and we said oh we're (10:06):
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here to cover this and we're with friends with Marianne. He's okay, no problem. (10:09):
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But that's small town Ireland. (10:13):
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That's a high trust society. And imagine putting in 240 military aged migrant (10:16):
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men, let me say it, sex starved, (10:22):
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They have different views about how to treat women, especially uncovered women (10:27):
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who don't have a male guardian, because that's how it is in a low-trust society. (10:32):
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If a woman went out by herself in a low-trust society, she would be a victim. (10:36):
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If a woman went out uncovered, well, only a prostitute would do that. (10:43):
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So you have people who have these extreme notions of how to treat women being (10:47):
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dumped in a town where women would walk through a forest with a dog, (10:52):
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you know, and that used to be normal and people would leave. (10:56):
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So that's why I have such an interest in Ireland because it's such a small country (10:59):
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that could be immediately overwhelmed. (11:03):
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And I see that happening in Epping in the outskirts of London. (11:06):
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People are finally standing up to these migrant hotels. So I'm riveted by the (11:12):
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migration stories around the world. (11:18):
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I've seen mass migration in Malmo, Sweden, in Marseille, France, (11:20):
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In Cologne, Germany, in Dublin and around Ireland, in London. (11:24):
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I'm trying to study mass immigration to see its characteristics and to see what works and what doesn't, (11:30):
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and to try and understand what motivates native (11:38):
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people to push back i use (11:42):
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the word native why don't i use the word indigenous because (11:45):
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they're not the irish indigenous to ireland are not the brits (11:49):
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and the english indigenous there we we (11:52):
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tend to think of the word indigenous to deal (11:56):
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with an exotic tribe in africa or (11:58):
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south america but are not the celts are (12:02):
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not the anglos are they not indigenous in their places being there for centuries (12:04):
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or even thousands of years and why is it that that's the only indigenous group (12:10):
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that can't have a homeland and and (12:15):
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i find these things fascinating and heartbreaking at the same time well (12:18):
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The next time you come over to ireland we'll go to dundrum in the north (12:22):
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of ireland which has a lovely old castle and (12:25):
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actually has some history and not dundrum (12:28):
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on the outskirts of Dublin which isn't as (12:31):
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as scenic but look as I live in London or (12:34):
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Londonistan as Melanie Phillips would coin the (12:38):
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term and I'm wondering the impact of in cities and you're right well I don't (12:41):
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have to tell you're right but most Canadians live on near the US border and (12:48):
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not in the in the far north of Canada and Toronto has always been billed as (12:53):
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a multicultural cultural city, (12:58):
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a melting pot, just like where I am in London, (13:00):
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Montreal kind of has held that French element, that French history. (13:03):
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So maybe something different. (13:07):
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But how is immigration affecting the cities? (13:09):
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And I guess just like Ireland, the further away you move from Dublin, (13:13):
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the more Irish it becomes. (13:16):
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I guess the same for Canada. The further away you move from the metropolitan (13:18):
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areas, the more Canadian it comes. Yeah. (13:22):
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Just really quickly, the dundrum I'm referring to is in County Tipperary. (13:25):
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I know there's a few different dundrums around the island, but it was in Tipperary, (13:29):
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which is a lovely place. Back to your question. (13:33):
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I recently saw a statistic that New York City, which looks poised to elect Zoran (13:36):
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Mamdani as their new mayor, as (13:43):
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you can tell by the name, he's actually a Muslim migrant born in Uganda. (13:45):
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He's a radical communist. and and (13:50):
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he beat um really an (13:54):
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old-time politician um andrew cuomo (13:57):
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whose father was governor before him and now (14:00):
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he's running for so it's really a demographic story new york city used to be (14:03):
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about the three eyes of foreign politics israel ireland and italy those were (14:09):
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the three big demographics as well as black canadian black americans too of course But it was said, (14:16):
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I forget who said it, maybe it was Ed Koch, he said, or Fiorello LaGuardia, I don't know, (14:22):
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that you need to know your foreign affairs for Italy, Israel, (14:27):
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and Ireland if you want to be the mayor of New York. (14:30):
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It was sort of fun, but that's not the New York City of 2025, is it? (14:32):
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And I saw a statistic that New York City is 37% foreign born, I think. (14:36):
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I'm just going from memory, 37%, it sounds like a lot. That's not a lot. (14:42):
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Toronto is about 50%. There's an outskirts of Toronto where it's called Brampton, (14:47):
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59%. 59% of Brampton, Ontario is foreign born. (14:54):
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And I, without looking it up, I wouldn't know the stats for London, but Canada is worse. (15:02):
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Everyone's remarking on the shocking statistic of new york city 37 if only and (15:08):
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in addition to the mass in migration of foreign foreigners brampton has seen (15:15):
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a white flight of a hundred thousand so (15:20):
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I mean, on the one hand, I would not blame anyone who said, I want to get to (15:25):
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the promised land of Canada or the promised land of London. (15:31):
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I mean, I was once in, I mentioned I was in Malmo, Sweden, which is now 50% Islamic. (15:35):
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I was in the neighborhood of Rosengard, which was once completely Swedish. (15:43):
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The whole day I saw one Swedish woman and I ran up to her and I said, who are you? (15:48):
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What are you doing here? and she was sort of the last swede (15:54):
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in rosengard it was heartbreaking to talk to her and and (15:56):
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so i think countries around the world have to decide are you (16:00):
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just an address are you just a hotel are (16:03):
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you just an airport code or are you (16:06):
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something more is there a connection between the people and the (16:09):
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land and you know (16:12):
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uh professor david starkey the late roger scrutin these are people who would (16:15):
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talk about the importance of connecting to the land and knowing that your parents (16:22):
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and your grandparents and your great-grandparents and going back a thousand (16:26):
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years in your line interacted with the same river and the same city. (16:29):
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And by the way, high-trust societies take centuries to build, (16:35):
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but unfortunately only a generation to destroy. (16:40):
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This is one of my observations because i'm riveted by (16:43):
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what's going on in ireland because i see in dublin protests of 40 000 or more (16:47):
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people with no political party leading them with no media cheering for them (16:54):
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these are as grassroots and authentic as possible and i think why is that happening in (16:59):
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Dublin but not in london and not in toronto and i think part of it goes to the (17:06):
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ethnic cohesion of the Irish people who are a language, (17:13):
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a history, a culture, an ethnicity. (17:19):
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There is an Irishness. You could move to Ireland and become a citizen. (17:22):
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Irishness, it's an ethnicity. And God bless it. Vive la différence. (17:28):
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Like I say, I love French France. (17:35):
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I don't want it to be McDonaldized through mass immigration. (17:38):
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So do you have that sense of community and cohesion in a massive megalopolis like London? (17:44):
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Or are we just atomized with no (17:53):
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sense of connection to our neighbors and really everything we (17:56):
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do is through our cell phone and an app you know (17:59):
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and we just live through our phones and there (18:02):
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was recently uh an alleged rape in ballymena in north ireland northern ireland (18:06):
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on the uk side and the community came out it was moms and dads and and because (18:12):
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everyone knew someone who knew the girl or knew the family. (18:20):
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And there was a cohesion and there was an identity that was pricked. (18:24):
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These were outside migrants foisted on the community who had raped a young girl (18:31):
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in the community and everyone knew her. (18:36):
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Do you have that same sense of community in London? Of course you don't. (18:39):
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You don't know who your neighbors are. (18:44):
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And so because we're so atomized in our big cities, Toronto, (18:46):
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London. Frankly, the reason it happened in Dublin is because it's happened so quickly. (18:51):
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Everything in Dublin has happened (18:57):
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in the last 20 or even the last 10 or extremely in the last five years. (18:59):
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You know the old saying, I think it's really gross, but it's very visceral. (19:04):
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You throw a frog into boiling water, it jumps right out because it's so hot. (19:10):
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You put a frog in water and slowly raise the temperature, it boils alive. (19:15):
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Don't ever do that, by the way. (19:19):
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I think that's such a gross thing, but I, I think of that Dublin was shocked (19:21):
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with how Ireland has been shocked by how extreme, like that story of Dundrum in Tipperary. (19:26):
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That's so shocking in one fell swoop. Like it wasn't over 10 years. (19:33):
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It was over 10 hours that that town became minority Irish. (19:38):
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So you're going to have the town rise up. But if it happens over the course of 20 or 30 years, (19:44):
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and you're in a big city and oh well that's what a big city (19:50):
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is you're not gonna resist and (19:53):
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i don't know london and new york have always (19:57):
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been metropolises and and they've always been people coming and going i mean (20:00):
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i i'm not here to say that london isn't an international city i mean it was (20:05):
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the seat of a global empire but there was a britishness to it there was a an (20:11):
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identity to it I don't know. (20:17):
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There's some weird self-hatred, I think, amongst Britain's leaders these days, (20:19):
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giving away Gibraltar, giving away the Chagos Islands, (20:24):
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giving back priceless artifacts from the British Museum to countries that will (20:29):
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lose them or have them stolen. (20:35):
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This self-abnegation, this self-hatred that is taught in every institution in the UK is, (20:38):
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turning some clerical error into an excuse to bring 100,000 Afghans over, (20:47):
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claiming they're all interpreters, when only 1,000 interpreters ever served. (20:54):
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Well, guess what? You got 100,000 Afghans coming, the rapiest rapists in the world. (20:59):
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Any other half-hour answer to your question? Apologies. (21:05):
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Hearts of Oak:
No, exactly. And you mentioned about the demonstrations, the frustration in (21:09):
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Ireland, And I've always been curious and wondering why Ireland, (21:15):
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who is a country that has changed beyond all recognition from when I grew up (21:18):
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in the Republic in the 80s, (21:23):
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and one of the biggest social experiments to see how you can invert a society (21:25):
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and go from the most Christian-based country in Europe to now one of the most (21:31):
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liberal and self-hating countries. (21:37):
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Hearts of Oak:
But I think the Irish government don't yet know exactly what to do with that (21:39):
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rise because they didn't expect it. (21:44):
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Hearts of Oak:
Obviously, in Canada, we saw the Freedom Convoys, the Canadian Truckers with (21:46):
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Tamara Leach and others, and they were able to shut that down. (21:50):
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Hearts of Oak:
How does that work in terms of pushing back against the awful government, (21:55):
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which you're now stuck with? (22:01):
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Hearts of Oak:
You go from the frying pan into the fire, I think, from Trudeau to Carney. (22:02):
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Hearts of Oak:
But how do you see the ability of citizens to mobilize and come together whenever (22:06):
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they were so punished, whenever it happened previously? (22:12):
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Ezra Levant:
Well, you're right. It was an amazing thing, the trucker convoy. (22:17):
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And it was amazing for a number of reasons. First of all, just like the Irish (22:21):
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protests where no political party supported them, no regime media supported (22:26):
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them, no source of money supported them. (22:30):
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They tried to crowdfund a budget. it. It was seized twice. (22:33):
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The first time GoFundMe wouldn't pass it on, the second time the government (22:37):
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seized it. So it was so authentic. It was so grassroots. (22:41):
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And citizen journalists, by the way, were an important part of that because (22:47):
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the regime media had their script. (22:50):
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Oh, these are just January 6 insurrectionists all over again. (22:53):
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Ezra Levant:
Well, you can't tell that story and make it stick. (22:58):
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If there's ordinary citizens live streaming the thing all day. (23:01):
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We had two reporters on the scene 23 days straight. (23:07):
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They didn't take a day off. They knew they were in the middle of history. (23:11):
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We had 400 million views and impressions in the month of February 2022. (23:13):
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I believe that Rebel News and other independent journalists were the reason (23:19):
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Trudeau didn't get away with that, and he panicked and he declared martial law (23:24):
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And actually, that's when things started to fall apart for Trudeau. (23:30):
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Now we have Mark Carney, as you mentioned, who started off as a Canadian, (23:34):
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but then he became a British citizen and an Irish citizen. So we're one of only (23:39):
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three, we're in his top three favorite countries, I guess. (23:45):
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And then he went from being our Bank of Canada governor to the British, (23:49):
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the English Bank of Canada governor. (23:54):
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Then he went to the World Economic Forum and the United Nations. (23:55):
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So the guy's always looking around. (23:59):
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He's like those people at a party who are always, they're talking to you, (24:00):
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but they're looking around for someone better to talk to. (24:04):
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And so he decided to come to Canada and be our prime minister, (24:06):
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even though he hasn't lived here in a decade, hasn't paid taxes here in a decade. (24:11):
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And he was the chairman of a, of a mini BlackRock called Brookfield. (24:15):
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It's not very mini. It has a trillion dollars in assets under management. (24:21):
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So this guy who specialized (24:27):
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in hiding assets in offshore trusts i (24:30):
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went to the isle of man i went to bermuda trying to track down (24:33):
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where he was stashing things anyway so he becomes (24:36):
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prime minister and he refuses to sell his (24:39):
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stocks so he owns approximately 600 shares in 600 companies we don't know his (24:42):
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total net worth i it wouldn't surprise me if he's a billionaire There's certainly (24:51):
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hundreds of millions and he owns stocks in every possible industry, (24:55):
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high tech, oil and gas, wind power, um, (25:01):
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pharmaceuticals like you, like when you own 600 different companies shares, (25:05):
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you are a global behemoth and he won't sell them. (25:10):
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And so he's got this bizarre ethics screen where whenever an issue comes up (25:15):
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that touches on one of his holdings, he's supposed to leave the room. (25:21):
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How are you going to run a country when you have 600 conflicts of interest? (25:25):
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What I don't understand is why he just doesn't sell them unless he's still looking (25:29):
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around for another better deal. (25:34):
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It's so weird. I call Carney Trudeau 2.0, but he's smarter and harder working and better connected. (25:37):
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Ezra Levant:
Trudeau was always a bit of a fool. At most, he was a mascot. (25:47):
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He had a lot of party tricks, like he would show people his fancy socks and (25:52):
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he would make little jokes. (25:57):
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Carney's actually quite boring and stiff by contrast, but Carney is dead serious. (26:00):
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And by the way, it also happens to be that, I don't know, Mark Carney, (26:06):
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his wife's family is in Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book. (26:13):
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Mark Carney and his wife were partying in the UK with Ghislaine Maxwell. (26:20):
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We never got an explanation for that. How well do they know each other? (26:26):
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And prince andrew who settled a (26:31):
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lawsuit by one of epstein's victims paid he paid her hundreds of thousands of (26:36):
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dollars to shut up he threw a party at buckingham palace for mark carney and (26:41):
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paid the bill we don't so i mean (26:47):
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maybe that all has a perfectly innocent explanation it probably does um (26:48):
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What are you doing in Jeffrey Epstein's black book? His wife, his wife's family. (26:55):
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What are you doing? I think in fact she hid at Carney's wife's family house. (27:00):
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Maybe British fancy pants high society is that small. I don't know. (27:10):
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But it reminded me a little bit of that Tom Cruise movie, Eyes Wide Shut. (27:16):
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And I just want to know what his connection was. (27:21):
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Just say it. Wow. (27:25):
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Hearts of Oak:
Is there no chance of you getting Stephen Harper out of retirement? (27:30):
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Hearts of Oak:
I mean, the Conservative Party seems to have failed to elect a popular leader. (27:33):
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Hearts of Oak:
And in the last election, Pierre managed to snatch a defeat from the jaws of victory. (27:39):
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Hearts of Oak:
Um yeah no chance of him coming out and actually actually being a conservative (27:46):
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leader which is quite rare now in canada. (27:52):
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Ezra Levant:
You know stephen harper is securely retired and i don't see him coming out of (27:54):
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Ezra Levant:
it pierre paulie of the conservative leader who for two years was on track to win a large majority (28:01):
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um i think what happened is and i'm and you know me i'm a big donald trump supporter (28:09):
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Uh, we, even though I'm Canadian, we were big supporters of him in all three elections. (28:16):
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Editorially that is um for some (28:22):
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reason he started spooking canadians and saying we're going to annex you and (28:25):
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we're going to make you part of america and you know obviously that's not going (28:30):
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to happen it was just a rhetorical yanking trudeau's chain but that spooked about a million voters (28:35):
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and you wouldn't think a million voters is a lot in a country of 40 million (28:43):
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people But that was enough for people to say, uh-oh, (28:47):
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Pierre Polyev is sort of a mini MAGA. He's a mini Trump. (28:53):
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He's sort of the most like Trump of our different parties. (28:58):
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The liberal Mark Carney ran an extremely anti-American campaign, (29:01):
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basically running against Trump more than he was running against Pierre Polyev. (29:05):
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And Polly was in a bit of a pickle because is he really going to try and outdo (29:10):
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the liberals in anti-Americanism? (29:15):
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It wouldn't come across as credible. (29:17):
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And a million Canadians just sort of thought, I have to vote for Mark Carney (29:19):
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or our country will be swallowed up. (29:24):
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And trump did his best to magnify that and i don't understand it i don't know how it is in (29:27):
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america's interest to have a left-wing neighbor like wouldn't you want a pro-military pro-capitalism (29:35):
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smaller government anti-woke prime minister in canada how does it benefit america to have (29:44):
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mark carney i don't understand that but i and i hate to say it but i think donald (29:49):
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trump his interventions is why we have a liberal PM. (29:54):
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I think that it's possible for Poliev to win. And I think immigration is actually the key. (30:00):
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And in recent weeks, Poliev has come out harder and harder on immigration. (30:06):
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He now says we have to send a lot more people out than are coming in. (30:09):
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That's a way of saying re-migration. (30:14):
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I think that there was no way Poliev could (30:18):
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have won the argument if the argument was who (30:21):
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can stand up to trump but if (30:25):
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he would have chosen his own controversy and said freeze (30:28):
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immigration deport uh the (30:32):
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illegals um send home (30:36):
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the temporary foreign workers and the international students remigrate (30:40):
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it would have been controversial the media would have gone nuts it (30:44):
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would have changed the subject from trump annexing canada (30:48):
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and you know what i think enough of (30:51):
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the silent majority would have said that's that's it's such a crisis in this (30:54):
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country like we i know it's bad in the uk i know it's bad in america i know (30:58):
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it's bad in ireland but i think it's actually the worst of all the countries (31:04):
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here in canada and i just that stat i gave you about New York City versus Toronto or Brampton. (31:08):
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Like, it is so bad here. (31:13):
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And even new immigrants say that. (31:15):
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Hearts of Oak:
Tell me about the situation with Islam. (31:20):
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I love one of your fellow Canadians, Gad Saad, and always calls it out so well, (31:25):
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the issue of Islam and the failure to integrate in that clash. (31:32):
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Hearts of Oak:
And you put up, I think it was maybe 10 days ago, maybe two weeks ago, (31:38):
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about some of your reporters being threatened with arrest for filming, (31:43):
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simply filming the call to prayer and Muslims praying. (31:47):
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Hearts of Oak:
They didn't want that to happen. And then another thing you've reposted, (31:52):
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which just happened today, (31:56):
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was a solicitor in the UK, Michael Phillips, talking to Toby Young about Muslims (31:57):
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in the home office in the UK and stopping those who are fleeing Muslim countries who are Christians, (32:03):
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blocking them because we have a Muslim problem in our home office. (32:10):
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Hearts of Oak:
So what is the situation in Canada? (32:14):
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Hearts of Oak:
I guess you've got one side, you've got the liberal elite, that's probably the (32:16):
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police officers, going in and thinking you can't say anything about Islam. (32:21):
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Hearts of Oak:
But the other side, I guess, is possibly an Islam issue, maybe within your government (32:24):
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Hearts of Oak:
that could also pose other issues. (32:30):
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Ezra Levant:
Well, let me give you the example of Montreal, which I think you mentioned. (32:32):
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There is a large, beautiful, historic cathedral called the Basilica in Montreal. (32:36):
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And by the way, in Montreal, there's also about 100 mosques. (32:44):
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So if you're Muslim and you want to pray, you have an enormous amount of choice. (32:47):
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But a pro-Hamas protest almost every week is right outside the basilica for some reason. (32:52):
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What's the Catholic Church got to do with that? And they have, (33:00):
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as the apex of their protest, (33:04):
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they have this mass street prayer right (33:07):
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outside the doors of the catholic basilica (33:10):
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why what are (33:14):
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you doing that's not an act of faith that's an act (33:17):
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of dominance in the public square showing who the new boss is and why are you (33:20):
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aggressing against christians i don't understand it i think this is enormous (33:25):
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news so we have a reporter in montreal who simply wanted to point a camera at (33:30):
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it and ask people what are you doing and not only was she harassed, (33:35):
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including physically by the pro Hamas protesters, but the police (33:39):
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shooed her away. One cop said, do you want to get punched? (33:45):
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I mean, just so abusive. (33:48):
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Um, because what is the path of least resistance? A hundred angry Hamas protesters (33:51):
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or one petite female reporter and her cameraman. If you're a cop, (33:57):
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which is the path of least resistance. (34:03):
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And what's incredible is that we are the only journalists there. (34:06):
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There's another one or two citizen journalists, but Montreal is the second largest (34:11):
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city in Canada. There's an enormous number of reporters, both in French and (34:15):
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English. They choose not to report on this. Let me say one more word about the police there. (34:19):
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So the police actually were doing some law enforcement a year or so ago. (34:23):
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And then a bunch of these Hamas activists sued the city of Montreal. (34:28):
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And the mayor ordered the city to pay $25 million to the Hamas protesters. (34:33):
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So number one, huge transfer of public money to the worst people in the city. (34:42):
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Number two you're a cop what message does (34:48):
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that send you oh my mayor is telling (34:51):
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me not to enforce the law against the hamas activists so you have the worst (34:54):
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of all worlds you have two-tier policing like you have in the uk we see that (35:00):
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in toronto as well um i myself was arrested if you can believe been. (35:06):
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There was a pro-Hamas protest and they had this recreation of a scene of the (35:12):
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last moments of Yahya Sinwar. (35:17):
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That was the head of Hamas. (35:19):
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And this was in my neighborhood. I live in a fairly Jewish place. (35:22):
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And so I just went to photograph this crazy, like, you know, (35:25):
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some people have Christmas decorations on their lawn. (35:30):
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Some people have Halloween decorations on their lawn. these guys had built like (35:33):
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a Yaya Sinoir reenactment in a Jewish neighborhood and they were shouting and (35:38):
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I just went to film it and a cop said to me (35:45):
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And I wasn't interviewing anyone. It was on the public sidewalk. (35:49):
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I was just taking pictures of this crazy thing. (35:53):
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And the cops said, if you don't leave, I'll arrest you. And I said, why? (35:55):
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And he said, and I got this all on tape. He said, your mere presence here could (36:00):
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cause them to make a disturbance. (36:09):
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Like you being here will make them freak out. (36:12):
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So instead of stopping them (36:17):
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from freaking out i'm arresting you a local resident because (36:20):
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your mere presence here is upsetting them (36:24):
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that they handcuffed me and took me to jail wow then (36:26):
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they released me without charge what were they going to charge me (36:30):
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with standing on a sidewalk so that's the (36:33):
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state of policing here and um yeah (36:36):
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i mean the police here they they have a (36:39):
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muslim podcast an explicitly muslim podcast (36:42):
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in the toronto police and a couple of the the (36:46):
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cops were talking about how one of the upsides of (36:49):
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october 7th was so many people uh now (36:52):
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have interest in islam and they want to know more about islam so (36:55):
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they're talking about the the pros and cons of october 7th and and they also (36:58):
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said it's islamophobia to call people at these uh protests pro hamas that's (37:02):
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islamophobia So get ready for censorship of anyone who calls out Hamas. (37:09):
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That's why I'm against censorship. It's very hard to be against censorship because (37:16):
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we hear things we don't like. (37:20):
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And the things we don't like, we want silence. (37:21):
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But I promise you, if you set the precedent of censorship, it will absolutely be used against you. (37:24):
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And so the answer is free speech. Free speech. (37:32):
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That only works in a Western liberal high trust society. (37:37):
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If you bring in millions of people to your country who have no tradition of (37:41):
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free speech, who are brutal, who maybe use free speech temporarily to get more (37:45):
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power when they'll then extinguish free speech for everyone, (37:51):
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it comes back to immigration. (37:54):
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I can't think of any secondary issue that wouldn't be ameliorated by dealing (37:56):
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with the primary issue of mass immigration, (38:02):
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whether it's the cost of housing or wages or lineups for the NHS or crime, (38:05):
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especially crimes against women, (38:13):
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discord in the streets. (38:16):
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I cannot think of a single secondary political issue, traffic even. (38:18):
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I don't know if you see images, but Los Angeles (38:23):
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has about 800,000 illegals and many (38:26):
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of them have self-deported i know that sounds like a laugh but they're (38:29):
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they're leaving many that come into canada the traffic (38:32):
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in la worst traffic in america the traffic apps show that the traffic is lighter (38:36):
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i mean it's it's shocking to i mean if you were to say goodbye to every illegal (38:42):
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in canada or in the uk or america tell me one thing that wouldn't be a higher quality of life (38:48):
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Hearts of Oak:
The way the way (38:56):
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it fixed quality of life in la would be to put a train (38:58):
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to lax and then you wouldn't have to sit in that traffic which (39:02):
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i've experienced and as i i need (39:05):
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to finish on a really uh important uh rally that's happening in september so (39:08):
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i need and usually fly in the uk sometimes you fly you land the morning and (39:15):
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you leave the evening um and that shows your absolute commitment to reporting (39:19):
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on issues that others will not report on. (39:24):
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Hearts of Oak:
And often you're in the UK to report on Tommy Robinson and his trials, which are many. (39:27):
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Hearts of Oak:
But he is holding a huge free speech rally after serving, I can't remember, (39:34):
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six, seven months in soldier confinement. I went to visit him at the beginning of the year. (39:41):
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Hearts of Oak:
You're going to be there with so many other people. (39:47):
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Hearts of Oak:
It's looking like a really exciting uh well (39:51):
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Hearts of Oak:
it'll be an exciting day on the 13th but you're going to come a little bit longer (39:55):
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Hearts of Oak:
do you want to fill us in on you you'll be one of the obviously one of the keynote (39:59):
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speakers there and but you're bringing a team fill us in and maybe how people (40:03):
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Hearts of Oak:
can actually get involved in that and follow what you're up to there sure. (40:08):
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Ezra Levant:
And you're right i've been i mean tommy robinson i've known him for about a (40:13):
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decade he worked for rebel news for about a year or so And then he went independent and sometimes (40:17):
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Hearts of Oak:
Say he went rogue. (40:23):
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Ezra Levant:
Yeah. Well, I mean, he is, uh, he, let me just say this. (40:25):
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He's not meant to have a boss being Tommy Robinson's boss is not an easy job. Um, (40:30):
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But he gets arrested sometimes. He really is being treated as an enemy of the state. (40:37):
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And I don't think that the justice system treats him equally to others. (40:41):
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It's sort of like Lucy Connolly getting 31 months for a tweet and actual rapists (40:46):
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getting a lower sentence. (40:51):
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It's based on race and culture and politics. (40:53):
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I just simply don't think the UK judiciary is blinding. (40:56):
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Well, you know, that statue of Lady Justice with the scales and the blindfold. (41:01):
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The blindfold is important. (41:06):
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It means I'm not going to take into account irrelevant characteristics like (41:08):
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who you are. I'm just going to measure the law. (41:11):
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The UK has lost that. So when Tommy is imprisoned, I sometimes try and help (41:14):
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because he is sort of incapacitated. (41:19):
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There are limits on his communication. (41:23):
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So I try and help Tommy from time to time. (41:26):
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And so that's the nature of my relationship with him now. He's asked me to speak (41:29):
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on the 13th. I'd be delighted to do so. (41:33):
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And I thought, well, why don't I come in a couple of days early because there's, (41:37):
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and then I thought, well, why don't I bring some friends? (41:41):
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Because this is going to be such a huge free speech rally. (41:45):
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And for people who have been following Rebel News and our coverage of Tommy (41:50):
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over the last decade, maybe they want to meet them. (41:54):
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So I'm putting together something I'm calling the Free Speech Mission. (41:57):
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And we have a website for it, freespeechmission.com. (42:01):
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And it's for people overseas who want to (42:06):
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fly into the uk we'll get there wednesday (42:08):
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night on thursday and friday we'll have (42:12):
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sort of a conference where we'll meet with different political and (42:15):
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journalists and activists to learn a little bit more about the state of things (42:19):
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in the uk i don't want to give away the names yet because there'll be pressure (42:23):
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on them like i i have to be careful because there'll be a lot of cancel culture (42:28):
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deployed against our little mission, but we're going to have a free speech mission. (42:32):
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We're going to be in the UK Thursday and Friday meeting with opinion leaders (42:36):
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and other community leaders. (42:40):
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On Saturday, we're going to go to the big rally. I'll be speaking. (42:42):
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Sunday, we've got a day outside of London. We're going to take everybody in (42:46):
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a bus on sort of a tourist mission. (42:49):
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And then we finished that night and people check out on Monday. (42:53):
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So (42:59):
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uh trip so it's obviously a big (43:00):
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commitment and it's not for everybody but we've (43:03):
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got 50 spaces and this is for canadians or americans who want to get to know (43:07):
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the uk a little bit we will be having dinner uh with tommy privately uh which (43:12):
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will i think be the highlight of the trip but we have confirmed some amazing (43:18):
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other speakers again i'm not saying their names and i know that sounds curious, (43:23):
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but it's because I don't want pressure to be put on them to cancel. (43:27):
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So it's not cheap because you got to fly to London and then we're staying in (43:30):
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a nice hotel and we're going to have some conference speakers there. (43:35):
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But if you are someone who has some means and would like a meaningful trip, (43:40):
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like there's a, if you want to go on a great vacation, go to a beach, (43:46):
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you know or go to florence italy or something but if you want a meaningful seminar educational (43:50):
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Trip to meet some of the best people in the uk the highlight of which will be (43:59):
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the rally on the 13th then consider coming with us obviously if you're a brit (44:03):
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uh the math is a bit different because you don't have to stay in the hotel or (44:08):
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or the airfare but this is really targeted at (44:12):
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worldwide supporters of Tommy who want to get to know the man personally, (44:16):
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who want to be there on the 13th, freespeechmission.com. (44:20):
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It's not for everybody and it's not cheap because it involves hotels and flights, (44:24):
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but I'm excited about it. And I love coming over there to see the fight for freedom. (44:27):
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Hearts of Oak:
Well, it's going to be an exciting event. All the Tommy rallies have been amazing, (44:32):
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including the ones that have been held on his behalf when he's been in prison. (44:39):
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Hearts of Oak:
In prison i remember i think 2018 i think it was uh rahim kind of headed up (44:43):
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that rally and in westminster so. (44:48):
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Ezra Levant:
It'll be huge (44:51):
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Hearts of Oak:
So yeah freespeechmission.com i'd encourage anyone (44:51):
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who wants to and it's a great opportunity uh to go and be part of a great event (44:54):
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but also ezra to uh to be with you and and to shadow you and learn a little (44:59):
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Hearts of Oak:
bit of all the huge contacts you have so um i know many people want to go the (45:04):
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Hearts of Oak:
links are in the description but freespeechmission.com, (45:09):
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Hearts of Oak:
Ezra, always appreciate you coming on. (45:13):
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I know Rebel never stop and. (45:15):
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