Xi Van Fleet: The CCP’s Land Grab and the Continuing Cultural Threat to U.S. Sovereignty

In this episode, I chat with Xi Van Fleet, a Cultural Revolution survivor, about the significance of American independence and recent legislative efforts to protect freedom and democracy. Xi expresses concerns over the Chinese Communist Party's land acquisitions in the U.S. as a national security threat and discusses initiatives by Senator Josh Hawley to combat this influence. We explore the infiltration of socialist ideologies in American education and her upcoming book, “Made in America,” which examines the U.S.’s role in the rise of communist China. Our conversation highlights the need for grassroots movements to reclaim education and actively safeguard American values against ideological threats.

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Partial Transcript [0:25] Welcome Back to Heart of Oak Hearts of Oak   [0:23]And hello, Heart of Vogue. Thanks so much for joining us once again. Anna, it's wonderful to have my friend from across the pond, Xi Van Fleet, with us today. Xi, thanks so much for your time. Xi Van Fleet   [0:34]Well, thank you for inviting me back to your programme. And thank you for that special tour to the Parliament last year when I visited London. That was so special. Thank you so much. Hearts of Oak   [0:45]It was good fun. Anytime. Next time you're over, come over again. And whenever you save America, come back to the UK and maybe you can do some saving over in the UK because we need it. But don't you and people obviously can find you. There is your handle, xfanfleet on X. I think that is the best place to follow you. But maybe if I can just bring up, before we jump into the cultural issues, some of the concerns of the CCP and what is happening in the US, a lot happening, of course. But I'll just bring this picture up, which is you on the 4th of July. I know it's back a whole two weeks ago, but as I stand in front of the White House on our nation's birthday, I am not just celebrating Independence Day. I'm celebrating the rebirth of America with the passing of the big, beautiful bill. America isn't just back. America is roaring back. And I'm jealous. I would have loved to have been in front of the White House on the 4th of July. Maybe just let us know what that was like before we go into the issues. Xi Van Fleet   [1:54]Well, I just want to really, really celebrate. And I have to be in D.C. Even though usually going to D.C. Is hectic, you know, but I made a special trip there. and I was able to take a photo of myself in front of the White House and then watched the parade. Xi Van Fleet   [2:15]I never feel so special and so emotional about the celebration of 4th of July. In the past, it's just a holiday, a day off. I'm thinking about gathering with friends or taking a trip. And in the past few years, I just feel very, very emotional about 4th of July because I feel like our independence is slipping away from us. And this year is so special, so special because we are back. And not just back, we are back with this big, beautiful bill that enables Trump to carry on all those programs that will help to save America. But I did not stay until in the afternoon to see the jet flight over White House. It was hot, but I made my trip and I'm glad I've had that post and a lot of likes. And just people share my emotions, share the moment that's so special, growing more special to us. [3:30] Celebrating Independence and New Beginnings Hearts of Oak   [3:26]It is great to be there and to celebrate that. Yeah. Now, lots to talk. And of course, you've got your book coming out, a new book next year. I think the first time you were on, we talked about Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning. And the links are in the description. I thoroughly enjoyed it and encourage the viewers to get hold of that in whatever way. And beginning of next year, your book Made in America, a hidden history of how the US enabled communist China and created our greatest threat. And I will definitely book you in again, Ji, if we don't talk before. I will make sure and have you on to talk about that. And I'm looking forward to that. Thank you.

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Hearts of Oak: And hello, Heart of Oak Thanks so much for joining us once again. (00:23):
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Hearts of Oak: Xi, it's wonderful to have my friend from across the pond, (00:26):
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Hearts of Oak: Xi Van Fleet, with us today. Xi, thanks so much for your time. (00:30):
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Xi Van Fleet: Well, thank you for inviting me back to your programme. (00:34):
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Xi Van Fleet: And thank you for that special tour to the Parliament last year when I visited (00:37):
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Xi Van Fleet: London. That was so special. Thank you so much. (00:42):
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Hearts of Oak: It was good fun. Anytime. Next time you're over, come over again. (00:45):
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Hearts of Oak: And whenever you save America, come back to the UK and maybe you can do some (00:49):
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Hearts of Oak: saving over in the UK because we need it. (00:54):
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Hearts of Oak: But don't you and people obviously can find you. (00:58):
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Hearts of Oak: There is your handle, xfanfleet on X. (01:02):
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Hearts of Oak: I think that is the best place to follow you. But maybe if I can just bring (01:07):
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Hearts of Oak: up, before we jump into the cultural issues, some of the concerns of the CCP (01:12):
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Hearts of Oak: and what is happening in the US, a lot happening, of course. (01:18):
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Hearts of Oak: But I'll just bring this picture up, which is you on the 4th of July. (01:22):
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Hearts of Oak: I know it's back a whole two weeks ago, but as I stand in front of the White (01:26):
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Hearts of Oak: House on our nation's birthday, I am not just celebrating Independence Day. (01:30):
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Hearts of Oak: I'm celebrating the rebirth of America with the passing of the big, (01:34):
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Hearts of Oak: beautiful bill. America isn't just back. America is roaring back. (01:37):
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Hearts of Oak: And I'm jealous. I would have loved to have been in front of the White House on the 4th of July. (01:42):
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Hearts of Oak: Maybe just let us know what that was like before we go into the issues. (01:48):
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Xi Van Fleet: Well, I just want to really, really celebrate. (01:54):
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Xi Van Fleet: And I have to be in D.C. Even though usually going to D.C. (01:58):
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Xi Van Fleet: Is hectic, you know, but I made a special trip there. and I was able to take (02:02):
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Xi Van Fleet: a photo of myself in front of the White House and then watched the parade. (02:09):
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Xi Van Fleet: I never feel so special and so emotional about the celebration of 4th of July. (02:15):
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Xi Van Fleet: In the past, it's just a holiday, a day off. I'm thinking about gathering with (02:23):
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Xi Van Fleet: friends or taking a trip. (02:29):
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Xi Van Fleet: And in the past few years, I just feel very, very emotional about 4th of July (02:31):
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Xi Van Fleet: because I feel like our independence is slipping away from us. (02:37):
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Xi Van Fleet: And this year is so special, so special because we are back. (02:42):
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Xi Van Fleet: And not just back, we are back with this big, beautiful bill that enables Trump (02:48):
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Xi Van Fleet: to carry on all those programs that will help to save America. (02:56):
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Xi Van Fleet: But I did not stay until in the afternoon to see the jet flight over White House. (03:02):
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Xi Van Fleet: It was hot, but I made my trip and I'm glad I've had that post and a lot of likes. (03:10):
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Xi Van Fleet: And just people share my emotions, share the moment that's so special, (03:15):
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Xi Van Fleet: growing more special to us. (03:22):
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Hearts of Oak: It is great to be there and to celebrate that. Yeah. (03:26):
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Hearts of Oak: Now, lots to talk. And of course, you've got your book coming out, a new book next year. (03:30):
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Hearts of Oak: I think the first time you were on, we talked about Mao's America, (03:37):
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Hearts of Oak: A Survivor's Warning. And the links are in the description. (03:41):
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Hearts of Oak: I thoroughly enjoyed it and encourage the viewers to get hold of that in whatever way. (03:45):
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Hearts of Oak: And beginning of next year, your book Made in America, a hidden history of how (03:52):
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Hearts of Oak: the US enabled communist China and created our greatest threat. (03:57):
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Hearts of Oak: And I will definitely book you in again, Ji, if we don't talk before. (04:00):
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Hearts of Oak: I will make sure and have you on to talk about that. (04:04):
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Hearts of Oak: And I'm looking forward to that. Thank you. (04:07):
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Xi Van Fleet: Thank you. (04:09):
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Hearts of Oak: Let me touch on the CCP and then we'll go over onto some of the cultural issues. (04:10):
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Hearts of Oak: And one of your recent posts was the CCP is the world's biggest land thief and (04:17):
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Hearts of Oak: the sole owner of all the land that confiscated in China, including my grandparents. (04:23):
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Hearts of Oak: Not one inch of American soil should be handed to the CCP. (04:28):
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Hearts of Oak: And this kind of fits into, I saw pictures of you there at the press conference (04:33):
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Hearts of Oak: for the, it was the National Farm Security Action Plan that was on the 8th of July. (04:38):
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Hearts of Oak: Tell us a little bit about that, because again, you growing up knowing the power (04:45):
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Hearts of Oak: of the state to take control, to confiscate, that you have no right as an individual. (04:51):
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Hearts of Oak: So let us know your concerns about Chinese or CCP land grab and what the Trump (04:57):
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Hearts of Oak: administration has done maybe to put a pause on that. (05:04):
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Xi Van Fleet: Yeah, this is something I feel really strong about, that the activists here, (05:07):
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Xi Van Fleet: they're talking about stolen land. (05:12):
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Xi Van Fleet: They have no clue that CCP is the biggest land thief in history and grabbed (05:14):
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Xi Van Fleet: all the land from individual owners, from private owners, The land were not just there. (05:22):
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Xi Van Fleet: They were owned by different people, including my grandparents. (05:28):
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Xi Van Fleet: They own, like, I don't know, like in terms of acres, probably 25, 50 acres. (05:33):
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Xi Van Fleet: And they, because my grandparents, (05:41):
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Xi Van Fleet: grandfather left my grandmother. That's her land from her family. (05:46):
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Xi Van Fleet: So she has to hire people to work on the land. And then because of that, (05:52):
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Xi Van Fleet: she become labeled as a landlord and an enemy of the state. (05:56):
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Xi Van Fleet: Everything was taken. Not only that, that was just, you know, (06:01):
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Xi Van Fleet: bad enough. No, you suffer because you become the enemy of the state. (06:04):
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Xi Van Fleet: And her children and her grandchildren, including me, were labeled the enemy of the state. (06:09):
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Xi Van Fleet: And that is the history that American youths don't know. (06:16):
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Xi Van Fleet: And then something else is that you cannot buy an inch of land, (06:20):
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Xi Van Fleet: nobody, not Chinese, not foreigners from the CCP, because they are the sole (06:24):
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Xi Van Fleet: owner of every inch of Chinese territory. (06:31):
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Xi Van Fleet: But they go around buying land in the United States and all around the world. (06:34):
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Xi Van Fleet: And one of the things is that they can't feed their people. (06:39):
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Xi Van Fleet: Even today, they cannot feed their people. (06:43):
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Xi Van Fleet: And recently I heard things like, I'm from Chengdu. (06:46):
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Xi Van Fleet: It's in a very fertile land in the basin of Sichuan Basin. (06:53):
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Xi Van Fleet: And they converted so much of the fertile land into cities. (06:58):
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Xi Van Fleet: And they can't feed the people. So recently I heard stories like now they're (07:03):
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Xi Van Fleet: converting parks back to farmland. (07:09):
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Xi Van Fleet: So they're out grabbing land because they realize they can't feed the people. (07:12):
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Xi Van Fleet: But that's more than that. It's not just farmland. (07:17):
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Xi Van Fleet: And when you look at the location in America, the farmland all happened to be (07:20):
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Xi Van Fleet: near military base. So it's more than just grabbing farmland. (07:26):
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Xi Van Fleet: It is strategic. And my question is, why that is allowed? (07:31):
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Xi Van Fleet: So that basically is my second book. You can say that, you know, CCP was bad. (07:39):
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Xi Van Fleet: It came here by our land. But the CCP, CCP is a communist. (07:46):
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Xi Van Fleet: Okay, why it's allowed? That is the bigger question. (07:49):
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Xi Van Fleet: It's allowed because we have traders within. (07:53):
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Xi Van Fleet: So I'm so glad that Trump administration is taking action. (07:57):
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Xi Van Fleet: That's why I went there to the press conference in D.C., sat in the hot sun (08:01):
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Xi Van Fleet: for two hours. But I think it's important. (08:10):
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Xi Van Fleet: And also something else I have to tell you that the CCP, they utilize the Chinese (08:13):
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Xi Van Fleet: diaspora to implement their programs. (08:21):
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Xi Van Fleet: There's a lot of Chinese organizations being infiltrated, not a lot, (08:25):
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Xi Van Fleet: many, I mean, 99% of them were infiltrated. Some were successfully infiltrated, (08:29):
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Xi Van Fleet: some were not, but they have been infiltrated. (08:36):
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Xi Van Fleet: There are always, always Chinese Americans go and have demonstrations, (08:39):
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Xi Van Fleet: anything that the government, especially in the state of Florida, (08:45):
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Xi Van Fleet: they passed a bill to ban Chinese nationals by land in Florida. (08:49):
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Xi Van Fleet: They went and they have demonstrations and do you know what the narrative they use? (08:56):
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Xi Van Fleet: Racism, racism, you know. (09:04):
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Xi Van Fleet: So this is really, to me, this tells a lot of things. (09:08):
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Xi Van Fleet: Tells that we have people in America that don't understand America, (09:12):
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Xi Van Fleet: that don't understand communism, and they just absolutely have no idea, (09:17):
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Xi Van Fleet: or they support communism. (09:22):
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Xi Van Fleet: And then we have heavy infiltration of CCP in America, including American Chinese. (09:24):
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Xi Van Fleet: A lot of them have no clue. (09:33):
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Xi Van Fleet: They just go there. They say, stop Asian hate, stop racism. (09:34):
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Xi Van Fleet: And they bring back the 1860 Chinese Exclusion Act just to say they're there (09:40):
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Xi Van Fleet: to defend their civil rights. (09:50):
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Xi Van Fleet: And they are just actually useful idiots. And some of them probably get paid. (09:52):
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Hearts of Oak: How do you think, because I saw that Senator Josh Howley, he also brought in (09:58):
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Hearts of Oak: a bill that would block China's buy-up of U.S. farmland. (10:04):
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Hearts of Oak: And the title was, yeah, Howley Moves to Block China's Buy-up of U.S. (10:08):
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Hearts of Oak: Farmland as Trump Administration Sounds Alarm. (10:13):
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Hearts of Oak: The legislation would force CCP-affiliated owners to divest farmland within (10:15):
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Hearts of Oak: one year. But it's another example of President Trump highlighting an issue (10:21):
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Hearts of Oak: that no one else has really highlighted. (10:27):
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Hearts of Oak: This has happened secretly, quietly, and President Trump puts his finger on (10:30):
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Hearts of Oak: it and within months is stopping that happening and beginning to ask questions. (10:34):
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Hearts of Oak: And maybe this wasn't on the list of issues which he campaigned on, (10:40):
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Hearts of Oak: but it certainly does seem to be a concern with China being the second largest economy in the world. (10:46):
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Hearts of Oak: Therefore, you should ask questions why they're buying up farmland. (10:53):
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Hearts of Oak: But again, no one was asking these questions before, I don't think. (10:57):
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Xi Van Fleet: No, this is something that I feel really, really great about, (11:01):
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Xi Van Fleet: is that President Trump, I think he does understand communism. (11:06):
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Xi Van Fleet: He does understand the threat of communism, especially Chinese communism, (11:11):
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Xi Van Fleet: and communism in America. (11:16):
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Xi Van Fleet: And a lot of the things he does from the surface look like it's just creating (11:19):
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Xi Van Fleet: chaos. But a lot of the things, if you look deeper, it's targeted on communism, both at home and abroad. (11:24):
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Hearts of Oak: There's another area, and I know it's not necessarily your main issue, (11:34):
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Hearts of Oak: but it kind of caught my eye. (11:40):
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Hearts of Oak: I just want your thoughts. And that's about China using their economic power to buy up. (11:41):
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Hearts of Oak: We've seen in the U.S. buying up farmland, but also Africa. And I think I saw (11:48):
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Hearts of Oak: in a conference sometime near the end of last year that China were putting in (11:53):
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Hearts of Oak: like $50 billion of loans. (11:59):
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Hearts of Oak: And the term that really caught my eye was debt trap diplomacy. (12:02):
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Xi Van Fleet: Absolutely. (12:08):
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Hearts of Oak: And that is giving African countries money, but then knowing they will default (12:09):
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Hearts of Oak: on it and thereby getting control of infrastructure. And it was just that debt trap diplomacy. (12:17):
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Hearts of Oak: I mean, the CCP are smart in how they use the finance that they have available, (12:24):
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Hearts of Oak: which is all based on debt, of course. (12:30):
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Hearts of Oak: But no, it seems as though they are kind of colonially taking over large parts of Africa. (12:31):
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Xi Van Fleet: Yes, this is something, again, there are just so many things that average Americans (12:39):
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Xi Van Fleet: just don't or not aware of or just don't know because the media was controlled by communists. (12:46):
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Xi Van Fleet: The educational institution controlled by communists, they don't know. (12:54):
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Xi Van Fleet: Do you know why Nixon decided to go to China and ally with the Chinese Communist (12:58):
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Xi Van Fleet: Party against the Soviet Union? One of the reasoning is that, okay, both are bad. (13:06):
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Xi Van Fleet: At least now they're at each other's throat. (13:13):
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Xi Van Fleet: Soviet Union was bad because it is expansionist. (13:17):
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Xi Van Fleet: At least Chinese Communist Party, they were not expansionist. (13:21):
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Xi Van Fleet: That was their reasoning. (13:26):
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Xi Van Fleet: They thought that Chinese Communist Party was just local. They're just only (13:28):
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Xi Van Fleet: interested and probably get some help to improve their regime. (13:34):
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Xi Van Fleet: They're so wrong because they don't understand communism. (13:40):
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Xi Van Fleet: Communism is globalism. It is in the DNA. (13:43):
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Xi Van Fleet: And as soon as the Russian communists took over power, they started the Communist (13:49):
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Xi Van Fleet: International Commuter. (13:57):
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Xi Van Fleet: They had no money. They are in the civil war, but they found resources to expand. (13:59):
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Xi Van Fleet: And one of their main target was China back in the early 1920s. (14:08):
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Xi Van Fleet: It is in the DNA of communism. (14:16):
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Xi Van Fleet: So China could not expand that much, even though that's not true. (14:21):
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Xi Van Fleet: Because during the famine in China, when Chinese were dying and starving, Mao used grain. (14:26):
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Xi Van Fleet: He had no other things to offer to buy off the African elites. (14:36):
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Xi Van Fleet: Because he wants to be the leader of the third world. (14:42):
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Xi Van Fleet: So this has been going on. But now, with more money and power, (14:46):
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Xi Van Fleet: of course they're going to expand. Where are they going to expand? (14:52):
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Xi Van Fleet: They're going to expand first to the poor countries by buying the elite. (14:56):
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Xi Van Fleet: All those infrastructure programs, did they need it? (15:02):
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Xi Van Fleet: Well, they buy off the elite, and then they push it and put them into debt. (15:06):
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Xi Van Fleet: That one of the examples is the port in Sri Lanka, right? (15:10):
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Xi Van Fleet: Now the Chinese have a lease, over a hundred-year lease of their, I think it's a harbor. (15:15):
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Xi Van Fleet: That sounds like Hong Kong, isn't it? (15:25):
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Xi Van Fleet: It's colonialism. That is what people don't understand. It's in the DNA. (15:30):
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Xi Van Fleet: And just not too long ago, I think Peter Thiel talked about, (15:36):
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Xi Van Fleet: okay, we should get out of China, we should invest in Vietnam. (15:41):
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Xi Van Fleet: Because Vietnam, communists, at least they are not expansionists. (15:47):
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Xi Van Fleet: Another mistake. (15:52):
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Xi Van Fleet: They are not yet. But as long as they are communists, when they get the chance, they will expand. (15:54):
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Xi Van Fleet: So, I think that the reason that we are in the trouble today is we never understand communism. (16:01):
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Xi Van Fleet: I don't know. So, it is natural progression. (16:12):
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Xi Van Fleet: And where do the Chinese Communist Party get the money? (16:16):
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Xi Van Fleet: They got the money from the international organizations such as World Bank, (16:20):
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Xi Van Fleet: international monetary fund with the interest so low because they still label (16:25):
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Xi Van Fleet: themselves, they self-identify, they self-identify themselves third world. (16:32):
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Xi Van Fleet: So they get the loan, they turn around, and then they use the loan to expand (16:38):
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Xi Van Fleet: and put all the poor African countries under their control. (16:45):
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Xi Van Fleet: It is unbelievable. They use capitalism against capitalism, and they use freedom against freedom. (16:51):
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Xi Van Fleet: Oh, they do. (17:00):
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Hearts of Oak: And we'll see how that progresses over the Trump administration with China being (17:00):
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Hearts of Oak: the second largest economy. (17:05):
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Hearts of Oak: I know. And how that works. But there was a post you put up, (17:06):
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Hearts of Oak: Xi, and it made me delve into something. And it was about kind of China and tech. (17:10):
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Hearts of Oak: And it was, someone was doing an interview looking at WeChat, (17:17):
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Hearts of Oak: which is the social media company, a bit maybe like Snapchat or WhatsApp. (17:21):
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Hearts of Oak: And you had made a comment about it whenever you got your X account hacked, (17:27):
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Hearts of Oak: you deleted everything and you reset your phone and WeChat being used to monitor people. (17:33):
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Hearts of Oak: And then I delved a little bit into it and the holding company of WeChat is Tencent Holdings. (17:40):
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Hearts of Oak: Again, I'd never heard of that. I'm sure 90-odd percent of our viewers had never (17:49):
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Hearts of Oak: heard of it. But it's the highest grossing multimedia company in the world based on revenue. (17:53):
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Hearts of Oak: And its total assets are $222 billion. (18:00):
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Hearts of Oak: And its annual revenue is $86 billion. (18:06):
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Hearts of Oak: And it's an AI, commerce, social media, music, gaming, healthcare. (18:10):
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Hearts of Oak: I mean, Fortnite, a game that many kids play, Epic Games. This company, (18:15):
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Hearts of Oak: Tencent, owns 40% of that. (18:20):
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Hearts of Oak: And you kind of think, wow, that's the economic side, but it's also the tech side. (18:23):
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Hearts of Oak: And I think that was what you were concerned about, how the CCP monitor and (18:29):
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Hearts of Oak: control people through tech. (18:35):
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Hearts of Oak: So, I mean, let us know your thoughts on that and your concerns. (18:36):
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Xi Van Fleet: Yes, I think before, of course, it's total control. When I was in China, (18:40):
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Xi Van Fleet: it's physical control, right? (18:44):
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Xi Van Fleet: They control the media, they control the educational system. (18:46):
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Xi Van Fleet: So they say capitalism was evil. (18:49):
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Xi Van Fleet: People in America suffered. I believe it because I don't have any, (18:53):
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Xi Van Fleet: I did not have any other resources to prove or disprove. I just believe it. (18:57):
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Xi Van Fleet: It's a physical control, the control where you can live, how much you can make, (19:02):
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Xi Van Fleet: how much food you can have. But now it's better. (19:06):
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Xi Van Fleet: It is digital control. So it's digital totalitarianism. (19:10):
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Xi Van Fleet: And so that is why they will bring in capitalism, investment, (19:15):
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Xi Van Fleet: but they will never allow the media, social media come to China. (19:22):
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Xi Van Fleet: Right. So and but they copy everything because they stole all the technology. (19:27):
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Xi Van Fleet: So Tencent in Chinese is Tengshun. Tengshun is basically a copy of Google. (19:32):
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Xi Van Fleet: And so Alibaba is a copy of Amazon. (19:38):
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Xi Van Fleet: And so they copy everything and then they control everything. (19:44):
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Xi Van Fleet: And, of course, the technology was not their invention. (19:48):
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Xi Van Fleet: It's absolutely they just stole it. (19:52):
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Xi Van Fleet: And we let, that is another thing, we let them steal it. (19:57):
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Xi Van Fleet: It's never just, oh, the CCP is so evil, they come and steal our technology. You know, we let it. (20:00):
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Xi Van Fleet: So WeChat was really, really bad. And WeChat was also very, very popular. (20:09):
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Xi Van Fleet: And I had WeChat in my phone for years because it's the best way to communicate (20:15):
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Xi Van Fleet: with home and friends and family. (20:21):
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Xi Van Fleet: And so when my ex-count was hacked, I truly believe. (20:25):
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Xi Van Fleet: I have no evidence, but I truly believe it's because CCP. and that's because WeChat. (20:32):
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Xi Van Fleet: WeChat is a program that can get into your phone and get into all the other (20:40):
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Xi Van Fleet: programs that you have on the phone. (20:47):
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Xi Van Fleet: So when I decided finally I'm going to get rid of it, I can't just delete it. (20:50):
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Xi Van Fleet: What I did is I have to go to, because my phone is an iPhone, (20:54):
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Xi Van Fleet: I have to go to the Apple Store and clean out everything. (20:59):
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Xi Van Fleet: Everything, and re-import apps. (21:06):
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Xi Van Fleet: And that's the only way to, I think it's even, I believe it even listen to you. (21:12):
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Xi Van Fleet: I mean, it's just like a surveillance tool that they control every Chinese and (21:19):
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Xi Van Fleet: they control every user. (21:25):
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Xi Van Fleet: And so when I heard that, I did not know this, that Tencent was the parent company of WeChat, (21:27):
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Xi Van Fleet: and when I heard that Tencent was one of the largest investors of Tesla, (21:37):
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Xi Van Fleet: And then the Elon Musk want to make X, the everything app, right? (21:46):
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Xi Van Fleet: That's what WeChat is about. (21:52):
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Xi Van Fleet: You can pay with WeChat. You can just do everything with WeChat. (21:56):
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Xi Van Fleet: And of course, everything is controlled by the CCP. (22:00):
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Xi Van Fleet: So everything in one app, they control you. So I said, well, (22:03):
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Xi Van Fleet: that doesn't sound too good. (22:07):
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Hearts of Oak: Well, that should be a warning to us in the West, how government have used that. (22:09):
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Hearts of Oak: There was another post you put up, and obviously you, born in China, (22:15):
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Hearts of Oak: grew up in the cultural revolution. (22:22):
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Hearts of Oak: You've seen the destruction that communism does to a country. (22:24):
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Hearts of Oak: Now I live in America, you've got citizenship. (22:30):
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Hearts of Oak: But it's this issue of those who serve in elected office don't have to be American-born. (22:32):
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Hearts of Oak: I think Jim Jordan introduces the bill, and you talked about banning teachers' unions. (22:43):
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Hearts of Oak: I want to come on to that, the whole issue of education, because that fits into (22:49):
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Hearts of Oak: the battle against woke that you've been very much involved in. (22:53):
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Hearts of Oak: But it's kind of curious. (22:57):
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Hearts of Oak: I think you're curious as a Brit actually looking at the U.S. (23:00):
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Hearts of Oak: And realizing that those in Congress, or even the president, (23:05):
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Hearts of Oak: doesn't necessarily have to be American-born. (23:09):
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Hearts of Oak: And this, again, is another example of President Trump coming in and fixing (23:11):
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Hearts of Oak: some of the problems that have been there. And this is Jim Jordan introducing this bill. (23:17):
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Xi Van Fleet: Yeah, this bill, I have a mixed feeling about this bill. (23:22):
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Xi Van Fleet: I think the reason, the intention they want to introduce this bill is good. Why? (23:25):
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Xi Van Fleet: Because look at the Congress, look at our government, look at our state and our cities. (23:32):
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Xi Van Fleet: All those people who are elected, who are the first-generation immigrants, (23:37):
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Xi Van Fleet: they are almost 99% on the left. (23:45):
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Xi Van Fleet: And they are devoted communists. Okay, so I can see that. (23:51):
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Xi Van Fleet: But also, I can see that my friend, Lilithang William, is running. (23:58):
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Xi Van Fleet: And she is a first-generation immigrant. And I hope this time she will get the chance to win. (24:03):
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Xi Van Fleet: So immigrants, first-generation immigrants, is not the real problem to me. (24:11):
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Xi Van Fleet: It's not the real problem. (24:18):
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Xi Van Fleet: The problem is educational system. (24:20):
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Xi Van Fleet: Take Mandani, for example. (24:22):
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Xi Van Fleet: Okay, so the candidate for New York City mayor race, he came here at seven. (24:25):
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Xi Van Fleet: So where did he go to school? Where did he get his indoctrination? (24:33):
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Xi Van Fleet: In America, in all the elite schools that he got his so-called education from. Look at Omar. (24:37):
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Xi Van Fleet: So she came in earlier, but she did not assimilate. (24:49):
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Xi Van Fleet: Why? Because assimilation is racist, and it's pushed by the Democratic Party. (24:55):
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Xi Van Fleet: So the problem is not quite about, but I do say that's a problem. (25:02):
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Xi Van Fleet: We have to vet who come here, and also we have to really, I think we should (25:09):
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Xi Van Fleet: do some kind of a vetting ideology. (25:16):
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Xi Van Fleet: But I think most of the problem, like Michelle Wu, the mayor of Boston, she was born here, yeah. (25:20):
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Xi Van Fleet: But her parents are from Taiwan. (25:30):
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Xi Van Fleet: Where did she get her radical ideology? From school, from university. (25:33):
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Xi Van Fleet: So I think that is the real problem, is education. (25:39):
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Xi Van Fleet: So if we, as long as we don't have control over education, we're going to have (25:44):
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Xi Van Fleet: more of the radical politicians who are immigrants. (25:48):
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Xi Van Fleet: This also tells me something else, that the communist Democrats, (25:55):
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Xi Van Fleet: they identify those candidates with identity. (26:01):
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Xi Van Fleet: So being an immigrant is absolutely one of the sought-after identity. (26:06):
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Xi Van Fleet: I gave you a score up in the intersectionality. (26:12):
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Xi Van Fleet: So they look for those people. (26:16):
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Xi Van Fleet: They groom them and they support them. (26:18):
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Xi Van Fleet: And how about the Republicans? (26:21):
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Xi Van Fleet: They're clueless. (26:24):
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Xi Van Fleet: They're absolutely clueless. They don't identify people, or at least not enough, (26:26):
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Xi Van Fleet: who are immigrants, who are patriotic, and who are anti-communism. (26:32):
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Xi Van Fleet: They just don't do enough work to help those people to run, first of all, and then to win. (26:38):
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Xi Van Fleet: So I do think that, I hope I make myself clear, it can be an issue, (26:47):
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Xi Van Fleet: but it's not the real issue. (26:53):
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Hearts of Oak: You mentioned about New York. Tell us your thoughts about that, Mamdani. (26:56):
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Hearts of Oak: He seems to have come from nowhere. He's a Marxist. He's also Muslim. (27:01):
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Hearts of Oak: And it's that red-green alliance that doesn't seem to fit in to the freedoms that we want in the West, (27:08):
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Hearts of Oak: the freedoms you have in the US, the freedoms we have had in the UK up to recently. (27:17):
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Hearts of Oak: But yeah, how will that play out? Do you think there'll be a strong Republican candidate? (27:24):
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Hearts of Oak: Do you think he'll automatically get him because of the demographic voting in New York? (27:30):
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Hearts of Oak: Because that's just up the road from you in Virginia. So what are your thoughts on that? (27:35):
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Xi Van Fleet: Yeah, I don't think we have a strong Republican candidate, period. (27:40):
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Xi Van Fleet: So I think so far, I think our only hope is that Eric Adam will win. (27:47):
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Xi Van Fleet: At least he's not insane Marxist. (27:54):
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Xi Van Fleet: And I listened to his interview about his experience in Cuba. (27:57):
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Xi Van Fleet: And he did say that communism doesn't work. (28:04):
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Xi Van Fleet: And he did say that the poverty and everything, the root cause was Marxism. (28:07):
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Xi Van Fleet: And look at the others. Look at the Los Angeles mayor. (28:12):
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Xi Van Fleet: She went to Cuba many times. She loved it. And that's why she bring it to America. (28:18):
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Xi Van Fleet: So I think Eric Adam, at least... (28:22):
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Xi Van Fleet: It's not insane. (28:27):
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Xi Van Fleet: He is one of the same Democrats. So I don't know the outlook, (28:30):
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Xi Van Fleet: but I do want to talk about this guy. (28:35):
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Xi Van Fleet: And he is such a danger, not just to New York City, because a lot of people (28:39):
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Xi Van Fleet: on exit, what do you care? (28:43):
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Xi Van Fleet: You're not a resident of New York. I do care. (28:46):
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Xi Van Fleet: I absolutely do care, because New York City is the symbol of American capitalism. (28:49):
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Xi Van Fleet: And we don't want to just, like Trump said, we're not going to hand it over to a communist. (28:56):
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Xi Van Fleet: Communism, their primary goal is to take down capitalism. You have to understand (29:02):
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Xi Van Fleet: that. So their enemy is capitalism. (29:09):
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Xi Van Fleet: And now we want a communist to take over New York City. (29:12):
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Xi Van Fleet: That's just not acceptable. But here is something else I have been trying to, (29:17):
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Xi Van Fleet: at least to tell people who pay attention to my tweet. And he's a little different. (29:21):
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Xi Van Fleet: And so far in the past, I don't know, past decade or so, you have classic Marxist (29:31):
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Xi Van Fleet: or classic communist like Bernie Sanders, right? He talk about class. (29:39):
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Xi Van Fleet: He's the old school communist. (29:46):
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Xi Van Fleet: And he even, not too long ago, he had an interview. He said, (29:49):
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Xi Van Fleet: the race is just distraction. (29:53):
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Xi Van Fleet: You know, it's class. And he got attacked by the left. (29:55):
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Xi Van Fleet: And then you got the cultural Marxists. They talk about what? They talk about race. (30:00):
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Xi Van Fleet: They talk about queer. (30:07):
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Xi Van Fleet: They talk about the really, they are cultural Marxists. They talk about intersectionality. (30:09):
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Xi Van Fleet: And this guy talked about both. (30:16):
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Xi Van Fleet: And this guy is really... (30:18):
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Xi Van Fleet: Very, very smooth, of course. (30:21):
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Xi Van Fleet: And he talked about the classic Marxism using the vocabulary from Communist (30:25):
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Xi Van Fleet: Manifesto and from Las Capitas. (30:35):
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Xi Van Fleet: Seize means of production. And he said also abolish abolition of private property. (30:40):
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Xi Van Fleet: And he's not hiding it. And he's more than that. (30:49):
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Xi Van Fleet: I tweeted he's a communist, a cultural Marxist, and he's Islamist. (30:53):
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Xi Van Fleet: But I think it is a mistake to, especially in Europe, a lot of people think (31:01):
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Xi Van Fleet: Islamism is the top one thread to Western civilization. I disagree. (31:07):
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Xi Van Fleet: I think it's Marxism. There is no way that Islamism can make headway in the (31:15):
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Xi Van Fleet: West and in the United States and in the UK without cultural Marxism. How? (31:22):
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Xi Van Fleet: Cultural Marxism is just, you know, oppressor-impressed, and identity politics, (31:29):
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Xi Van Fleet: victimology, all this paved way to the invasion of Islamism. (31:36):
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Xi Van Fleet: So it is something else I think it's interesting that even though I know a lot (31:45):
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Xi Van Fleet: about communism, I don't know enough about Islamism, but I know they are incompatible. (31:50):
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Xi Van Fleet: I know, you know, in China, you can say they're not compatible. (31:56):
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Xi Van Fleet: Why do they have this green and red alliances now? (32:00):
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Xi Van Fleet: Right now, it's because they share one enemy. For now, they have one common (32:05):
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Xi Van Fleet: enemy, that is the United States, the West, freedom, liberty. (32:11):
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Xi Van Fleet: So people say, what if they won, their alliances won, and then they were going (32:17):
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Xi Van Fleet: to be at each other's throat? (32:23):
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Xi Van Fleet: And I have a discussion with a Muslim friend who is conservative. (32:24):
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Xi Van Fleet: She said, I bet Islam will win. I said, I bet communism will win because I think (32:30):
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Xi Van Fleet: communism is even more ruthless than Islam. (32:38):
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Xi Van Fleet: So we don't know. But this is the key. (32:43):
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Xi Van Fleet: Cultural Marxism absolutely paved way to almost all our problems. (32:46):
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Xi Van Fleet: All, I would say, even our national debt. How did we get this kind of national (32:52):
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Xi Van Fleet: debt? It's because socialism. (32:57):
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Xi Van Fleet: It's because what... (32:59):
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Xi Van Fleet: FDR and Lyndon Johnson, they transformed America. (33:03):
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Xi Van Fleet: They really transformed America and created a new class. (33:08):
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Xi Van Fleet: They are the dependent class. They are the new proletarian class. (33:13):
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Xi Van Fleet: And that's how we get into debt, right? The entitlement, they have to have it. (33:18):
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Xi Van Fleet: And that's the government job to support them. Anyway, so. (33:24):
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Hearts of Oak: No, I could talk. I think my money would be on Islam winning, (33:29):
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Hearts of Oak: but the thing is, in New York, you've got these two attacks on freedoms coming (33:34):
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Hearts of Oak: from different sources. (33:39):
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Hearts of Oak: And that is the huge concern for all of us. (33:41):
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Hearts of Oak: But you said, I think your tweet was, does it surprise anyone that United Federation (33:46):
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Hearts of Oak: of Teachers endorsed Komi Mamdani? (33:52):
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Hearts of Oak: And it's that educational side, and you called it the Marxianization of our (33:56):
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Hearts of Oak: educational system, and that's the reason for the spread of communism in America. (34:03):
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Hearts of Oak: Now, of course, President Trump has, actually, it seems though the Department (34:08):
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Hearts of Oak: of Education will be disbanded and headed back to the states. (34:13):
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Hearts of Oak: That seems to be a huge win and move away from the central control down to the state level. (34:16):
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Hearts of Oak: Well, maybe let us know a little bit about that, because this has been one of (34:23):
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Hearts of Oak: your key areas that you've been speaking out on how woke and Marxist ideology (34:27):
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Hearts of Oak: has progressed through the education system. (34:34):
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Xi Van Fleet: Yes, it's absolutely the case. And we talk about it. It is the key. (34:37):
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Xi Van Fleet: If we want to take back the country, we have to take back our educational system. (34:41):
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Xi Van Fleet: If we want to take back our educational system, we have to take down the central (34:45):
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Xi Van Fleet: control by the federal government, which is the Department of Education. (34:51):
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Xi Van Fleet: We also have to take down the teachers' union. (34:55):
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Xi Van Fleet: In China, everything was decided at the central level, at the highest level, (35:01):
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Xi Van Fleet: education and everything. (35:08):
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Xi Van Fleet: Of course, central planning is their thing. (35:09):
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Xi Van Fleet: So, and there was just a group of so-called experts or devoted communists. (35:12):
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Xi Van Fleet: They would design a textbook and they would design the curriculum. (35:16):
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Xi Van Fleet: They would design what can be taught, what cannot be taught, (35:20):
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Xi Van Fleet: what should be the kind of like alert. (35:23):
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Xi Van Fleet: If you see a student doing this, you have to do something. Control, (35:29):
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Xi Van Fleet: basically control, mind control. (35:32):
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Xi Van Fleet: And then they just push it down because they have the power. (35:33):
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Xi Van Fleet: But in America, education traditionally is in the state level. (35:36):
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Xi Van Fleet: You know, the state, and not even the state level. I said in the local level, (35:41):
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Xi Van Fleet: the school board, you know, in the county, they decide what to teach and whatever. (35:45):
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Xi Van Fleet: So it is hard when you have to control every school district. (35:54):
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Xi Van Fleet: So they go, they come in this way. Central control. That's how Jimmy Carter (35:58):
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Xi Van Fleet: introduced the Department of Education. (36:03):
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Xi Van Fleet: And then they, of course, they can't control all the curriculum yet, (36:07):
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Xi Van Fleet: but they control the money and they control the program. (36:10):
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Xi Van Fleet: In order to get the federal fund, you have to do this and this and this. (36:14):
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Xi Van Fleet: And that is all Marxist programs. (36:20):
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Xi Van Fleet: So that's exactly so. What happened here, happened in China? It's just a copy. (36:24):
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Xi Van Fleet: The thing is control. The same, if you talk about Marxism, if you talk about (36:31):
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Xi Van Fleet: communism, totalitarianism, one word, control. (36:37):
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Xi Van Fleet: Control a few, control the rest. So teachers' union, of course, (36:42):
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Xi Van Fleet: they control the schools. They control the teacher. (36:47):
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Xi Van Fleet: And so my county, Loudoun County in Virginia, did not have a teachers' union (36:50):
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Xi Van Fleet: until recently. And I went to the school board meeting to oppose, (36:57):
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Xi Van Fleet: introduce the teachers' union. (37:02):
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Xi Van Fleet: And they can control so much. They can control, of course, when the school teachers (37:05):
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Xi Van Fleet: are unionized, the union can decide what to teach. (37:14):
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Xi Van Fleet: The union can basically sideline the school board. (37:18):
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Xi Van Fleet: The school board no longer have the control. And yet the school board members (37:23):
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Xi Van Fleet: proved the unionization of Loudoun School District. (37:28):
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Xi Van Fleet: Why? They're all bought, all bought by the school, the teachers union. (37:33):
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Xi Van Fleet: And who is behind school union, teachers union? (37:39):
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Xi Van Fleet: Billionaires such as sorrow (37:44):
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Xi Van Fleet: and that is why it's just so (37:47):
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Xi Van Fleet: so so important to realize at least i think trump um see the uh the danger we (37:50):
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Xi Van Fleet: have to first of all get the uh education department out of the way which is (37:56):
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Xi Van Fleet: happening it's just so good and then we have to do something about the teachers Union. (38:02):
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Xi Van Fleet: Otherwise they control everything. No, absolutely. (38:08):
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Hearts of Oak: Let me end off just asking you about kind of where the administration is winning. (38:13):
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Hearts of Oak: Part of it is the education battle. We've seen the pushback against the whole (38:21):
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Hearts of Oak: LGBT lobby and especially with how children are being indoctrinated I guess (38:25):
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Hearts of Oak: with the educational system but then also the whole trance movement and how (38:32):
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Hearts of Oak: that has destroyed many children's lives. (38:37):
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Hearts of Oak: And there's so many areas in the cultural battle. (38:40):
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Hearts of Oak: And then I think even the Islamic city in Dallas, I think Americans waking up (38:45):
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Hearts of Oak: to the impact of Islam on the freedoms that we have. (38:51):
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Hearts of Oak: And those freedoms don't necessarily last forever. They are only there if we (38:57):
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Hearts of Oak: choose to keep them in our societies. (39:02):
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Hearts of Oak: Maybe just to finish your thoughts on how the administration is kind of winning (39:06):
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Hearts of Oak: those different battles in the cultural space. (39:11):
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Xi Van Fleet: Yeah, I think we are winning and especially, you know, in the federal government, (39:15):
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Xi Van Fleet: DEI is banned and education and transgender. (39:25):
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Xi Van Fleet: And now, like the University of Pennsylvania, I apologize. (39:31):
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Xi Van Fleet: So we have a lot of progress. (39:38):
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Xi Van Fleet: But it's just not enough. It's because it has been like this for decades. (39:42):
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Xi Van Fleet: And I don't expect it to change overnight. (39:49):
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Xi Van Fleet: But also, what I say is that, yes, it is great that Trump administration is taking actions. (39:54):
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Xi Van Fleet: But also, it is us, us, the grassroots. (40:02):
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Xi Van Fleet: We have to keep fighting. And I think it's still going on. And I think it's (40:06):
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Xi Van Fleet: good that we have to get involved. (40:11):
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Xi Van Fleet: And people say, OK, you know, presidential election is every four years and (40:14):
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Xi Van Fleet: the midterm is every two years. (40:20):
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Xi Van Fleet: But in the school, in the local level, you have to really fight to take back (40:22):
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Xi Van Fleet: the school board, the city council. (40:28):
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Xi Van Fleet: And we have to do that. That's our job. It's really our job. (40:31):
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Xi Van Fleet: So to change the culture and we all have to step in. And I think there is a (40:35):
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Xi Van Fleet: tendency, a lot of conservatives think the job is done, we won. (40:41):
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Xi Van Fleet: Now, we won the battle and not the war, yet, not yet. (40:47):
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Xi Van Fleet: So while, you know, we do, you know, every day, I hope some more good news, (40:52):
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Xi Van Fleet: you know, from Trump administration. (40:58):
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Xi Van Fleet: But I think the emphasis should be on us. (41:00):
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Xi Van Fleet: Yeah, on everyone, every parent, every resident, and getting involved locally. (41:03):
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Xi Van Fleet: I think there's more involvement, but I also see the involvement. (41:11):
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Xi Van Fleet: It's like some people just very active in 2020, 2021. (41:16):
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Xi Van Fleet: Now I don't see those faces, and I see new faces, but we need to see the same face. (41:23):
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Xi Van Fleet: We need to keep doing. How do you, this is, well, this is something that's really (41:28):
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Xi Van Fleet: true and maybe a little bit discouraging, but this is the truth. (41:33):
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Xi Van Fleet: How do you defeat communism is keep fighting. (41:38):
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Xi Van Fleet: The moment you stop fighting, they won. Because it's a virus. (41:42):
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Xi Van Fleet: It's a virus and it becomes a common cold. It's not going away. (41:47):
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Xi Van Fleet: Don't ever expect, we defeat communism, job done, game over. No, no. (41:52):
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Xi Van Fleet: It's a virus that will never disappear. So we have to keep fighting. (41:58):
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Xi Van Fleet: And so never stop. (42:02):
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Xi Van Fleet: Yeah, that has become a lifestyle. (42:05):
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Hearts of Oak: Not completely. And we are going to see whether the conservatives love America (42:07):
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Hearts of Oak: more than the left hate America. (42:12):
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Hearts of Oak: That's what it boils down to. The love of country is much more powerful and (42:14):
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Hearts of Oak: can defeat that hatred from the left. (42:19):
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Hearts of Oak: Xi, thank you so much for coming on. And if Made in America is anywhere near (42:24):
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Hearts of Oak: as good as Mao's America, you'll definitely have a second bestseller. (42:30):
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Hearts of Oak: There's a lot of pressure to actually do a second book off the (42:35):
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