Ep 244 - Nikhil Kale | AI, Authenticity, and the Future of Human Creativity - Here For The Truth

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Coming up in this episode, the AI.
Is great, but what's next forus as a species with our embodiment
and how we actually move tothe world and lead, are we able to
liberate our own consciousness?
Technology and education cansupport that.
So we can act as a unified,interconnected, interdependent system
and shift the reality throughour own presence and leverage the

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wisdom and technology andknowledge that we have at hand so
we can make more informeddecisions at a much faster clip.
You are now listening to the Here.
For the Truth podcast, hostedby Joel Rafidi and Gerasimos.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome back to Here for the Truth.
My name is Joel Rafidi.
Got your osmos with me as always.

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Today we have our dear friendNikhil Kale joining us on the podcast.
He's someone who's lived anincredible journey, has had very
many trials and tribulations,and has come out the fire and is
very much so steeped in his purpose.
And we really wanted him onbecause he's a unique individual
who kind of stands at thecrossroads of spirituality and technology

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as well.
So this episode, Nikhil shareshis pretty amazing story and then
we get into a deep, nuanceddiscussion about technology, AI and
how these tools can beamplifiers for authenticity and not
necessarily just the dawningof the end of humanity as many people,

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you know, seem to project into.
So how can we integrate andinteract with AI consciously to amplify
what we're really about andpush, you know, benevolent messages
out there into the world?
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Hope you get value from this one.
At the intersection of ancientwisdom and future innovation, Nikhil
stands as a bridge, a conduitbetween the mystical and the practical.
As a visionary, strategist,innovator, and catalyst for conscious
evolution, he guides changemakers through the labyrinth of modern
entrepreneurship, transformingbold ideas into world changing realities.

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With a journey spanning over70 countries and countless experiences.
He is the author of God Force,a transformative guide for conscious
creators.
And his mission is to catalyzethe conscious evolution of humanity
by aligning individual purposewith collective transformation.
Nikhil, welcome to Here forthe Truth, man.
It's an absolute honor anddelight to be here with you both

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today.
Absolutely, bro.
Little bit of, I guess,backstory since moving to the San
Miguel de Allende here in Mexico.
Also found Nikhil here, andwe've connected and aligned and worked
together on some projects andyeah, just definitely someone who
has incredible value to offerin this world.

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So, Nikhil, the one way wealways like to kick this podcast
off is we want to get deepinto your personal story, your hero's
journey, your major rites ofpassage, the major catalyzing moments
in your life.
We want no holds barred,whatever comes up, we're here for
the realness of it all.
So, yeah, man, I guess wheredoes that story begin for you?

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I love that we're just goingall the way in.
Yeah, bro, straight up.
I love it.
Well, with the backstory.
So I was born in Bombay orMumbai, India, back in 1985.
And the first five years therewere really interesting, specifically
because culturally I didn'treally feel like I connected.

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My mother is a Goan Catholic,so an English speaker.
And my father, even though hewas Hindu, he didn't really practice
any religion and his religionwas actually creativity.
So growing up, I didn't learnany Hindi.
None of that was spoken to me.
No Marathi.
And it was really interestingbecause I do remember actually my

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birth, to be honest.
I remember being in the womband I remember being born and the
first actually experience wasthe doctor putting like a needle
into me because they figuredout that I had swallowed my own feces
during birth.
Funny metaphor, right?
So even like that initialbirth process was a little bit.

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A little bit strange.
And then at 5 years old, wemoved to Perth, Western Australia,
and, you know, fellow Australian.
So you can imagine what it waslike coming back in 1991 as an Indian
immigrant family and onceagain, not really fitting in.
So, like, the layers and thestructures really built upon themselves.

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I recall landing into Perth airport.
We had 11 attempted landingsas the weather was horrific.
And I clearly recall peopleprojectile vomiting, praying for
their life.
So needless to say, even thatentrance into that reality was also
quite, quite chaotic.
And, you know, childhood was it.

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It was good, you know, for themost part.
Fortunately, like, a couple ofcousins came in the next two to three
years and we were just doingthe thing, you know, living in a.
In the suburbs and going to aCatholic school, going to church,
and me just trying to find my.
Find myself amidst that journey.
Now it was really interestingbecause from about 7 to 10 my memory

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goes really vague, like reallyalmost like black even.
And it's interesting becausemy memory is really quite good.
And then 10, 11, 12, as Istepping into my adolescence, I guess
there was, you know, a bit of,I guess rebellion and pushback specifically
with my, my father whom was,you know, had become quite aggressive,

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quite, you know, violent to adegree, quite abusive.
And I didn't really understandwhat was taking place other than
my father was, you know,attacking us and my mother.
The house didn't feel safe.
I don't know what to do.
And this is when I got reallygood at just, I guess retracting
my awareness and consciousnessinto imaginal realms and just find

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ways to protect myself.
And then as I, you know,getting longer into my teenage years,
you know, around kind of 15when I started to build my strength,
I wasn't afraid of my father anymore.
Although my path turned intoself destruction and just, you know,
being a, being a rebellious teenager.
And when I was 17, justleaving high school was, you know,

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rolling with I guess the wrongcrowds and just exploring things
that a teenager would thatwasn't really connected to their
truth.
I ended up having like areally profound awakening process.
Now I was obviously spiritualto a degree.
Even as a child I wouldconsider, you know, what is the meaning

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of life, what happens once I die.
This is when I was three years old.
I used to have these questionsinside of myself.
But then the Catholicindoctrination really pushed God
away from me and I just tostop caring in my teenage years until
this moment when I just turned 18.
I synchronistically met thisgirl, started the girl, and we had

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a really great connection atthat point.
My folks sent me to India toactually probably teach me around
my heritage and help me torealize that I was being a bad child.
I ended up coming back veryquickly because I wanted to actually
spend time with this girl andher during this period of time.
A month, a week into ourrelationship actually her mother

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was passing away and she had cancer.
And I recall this moment whereI was in the room with all of her
family at 4 in the morning,like holding space for her mother
and her family as she was kindof passing away.
And mind you, this was like at18, we had been together for just
a short period of time andsomething strange was happening immediately

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after that.
I started to see like thenumber 1111 like everywhere.
Like and this was back in 2003when there was only one article on
the Internet around this likean article on crystallinks.com, it's
probably still up.
And it's just something aroundspiritual awakening and yeah, like,
you know, DNA being activated.

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I was like, all right, this iswhat it is.
I.
My first point of contact orpoint of reference was once again
the Bible.
I'm like, I need to figure outsomething's happening here that feels
strange and weird.
I went all in, read that thingback to front and I was doing like
these prayers at like 3 in the morning.
I would wake up and pray tolike Jesus and Mary and look like

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I was experiencing spirit.
I was experiencing orbits of light.
Like I used to havevisitations in my dreams.
All of this beautiful experiences.
And then in a garden said tome, okay, you can close that book
and you can now just go deeper within.
So for a period of one year, Iwas so deep into meditation, purifying

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my vessel.
Like I wasn't having sexualrelationships anymore with my partner.
I couldn't listen to hip hop anymore.
Like I was just like, I'mpurity, like group.
Granted, I didn't necessarilyknow how to ground, nor did I have
any physical teachers.
It was all just this selfgenerated experience.

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All my friends fell away.
I was left with one friend andthis girlfriend.
Now towards the end of thisexperience, there was a pretty critical
moment where my, I was havinga conversation with my, my sister
and she was speaking to mearound our childhood.
Like something had happened toher, something that she had experienced

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which was abusive.
And she wasn't wanting to tellme the whole story around it, but
I intuited to her, I said,hey, it was, it was a dad, right?
Right, it was dad.
And she was like, how, likehow do you even know?
Lo and behold, little did Iknow that at that point the same

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thing had happened to me.
And there was things that Iwas repressing.
But in that moment I gave hersome strength and I told her, I said,
look, no matter what happens,we're protected, we're guided, I
promise you.
This was when I was in thisdeep communion with creation.
I go back to my girlfriend'shouse, my sister calls me up like
20 minutes later crying,saying like, come home.

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I'm so scared.
Like I don't know what happened.
So I go back there and I go,what's going on, Neha?
After I left, she was making asandwich and this was like on the
kitchen counter.
She looked up just outside oneof the living areas, out through
the window and this bigrainbow being appeared and like walked
across and flew off and shewas Shitting herself.

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And I was like, hey, I toldyou, we're safe, we're protected.
Now fast forward the story alittle bit as I was trying to reconcile
what she shared with me.
Not just, not about thatbeing, because I was seeing spirits
and beings all of the time, itwas normal for me.
But the fact that there wasthis darkness in my family, that

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was very traumatic and hard to comprehend.
I, being the being who I am, Iwas trying to make sense of it.
Immediately.
I rejected God.
And I was like, even thoughI'm spirit, I'm human.
And I was pretty much like youand needed to understand the nature
of darkness.
And I, the pendulum swung theother direction.

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I was on such a high and Iwent right into the darkness.
And it was two to three yearsof violence, fights, womanizing,
drugs, dealing, to the pointthat if I didn't get this job in
Emirates Airlines, I wouldhave ended up stabbed or axed in
the neck like some of myfriends in jail or who knows, you

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know, what else.
And it was really this job inEmirates when I was 21 years old
that gave me an opportunity tojust get out of that environment,
which was obviously just selfdestructive as I had no anchor, no
masculine presence, noinitiatory process.
And then it was like nineyears, Emirates Airlines, traveling

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the world, getting paid to dothat, and having a lot of fun on
the way.
Not really reconnecting withmy spirituality, but just, you know,
just going through the pacesand living a life like a millionaire
would without necessarilyhaving to be one, per se.
And then this is coming intolike my 30s.

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At the end of the Emiratesjourney, I had married my childhood
sweetheart, she had joinedEmirates, we got married.
I was ticking the boxes.
I was like, okay, you know,she's, we get along, she's hot.
Yeah, you know, let's, let'sdo it.
Obviously, that was very immature.
We ended up one year afterleaving Emirates.

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I was living in the States,living in Brooklyn on the same street
as that biggie grew up on,coincidentally St.
James Street.
And yeah, she was doingacting, acting classes.
And at the end of the trip,she tells him she has feelings for
this, for this other man.
And outwardly, I'm upset, asyou would be if your wife is expressing

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that she has feelings foranother man.
But inwardly I knew I wasactually being called back to reconnect
with my authentic truth againand my path of spirituality as that
really wasn't present in ourrelational dynamic.
We ended up getting a divorce.
It was challenging.
And I made one promise tomyself before I get into another

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relationship.
Again, I need to do somehealing around relationships, around
my own healthy patterns, andeven around things like sexuality.
So I started to exploretantra, which then actually kicked
up this.
This childhood wounding andrepressed memory around sexual abuse

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that then it really just.
It kind of shook me.
It was around a period of timethat I met Stefanos.
Stefanos, who is a veryprolific creator, dear brother, mentor
and business partner of mine,that I was living with him at this
point.
And he provided the firsthealthy masculine presence that actually

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gave me permission to actuallyunpack some of this.
Some of this stuff.
And then it was years ofvarious explorations, various experiences
that kind of led me toactually making peace, you know,
with the experience itself andthe ongoing healing and somatic repatterning
that's still happening to this day.

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Not just around that, around abunch of different things, but ultimately
the path of healing in my 30skind of coalesced with my.
My soul's work and clarity andguidance and precision around how
I transmute that into.
Into a gift that I can be ofservice in the world.
And acquired many skill sets,from technology to coaching to writing

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to space holding, toinnovating, to multiple different
things.
And I'm a 3 6, so I know youguys are HD people, so it's been
hardcore experimentation.
And in many ways I'm stillfinding myself and reconciling these
vast, expansive experiences tothe edges of consciousness and into

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the depths of my own psycheand unconscious.
And I could find myself now inthis emergence and weaving and still
in a process of initiation asI find myself, you know, entering
into my.
My 40s at the end of the year and.
And yeah, you know, could goin multiple different directions,
but that's like a higher levelkind of synthesis of my path.
And yeah, you can start there, bro.

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Thank you so much for sharingall that because it's so interesting.
You know, we've been workingtogether, but like, to get to hear
more of your story and, youknow, your journey is.
I really appreciate yousharing all that.
Yeah.
And I love that you're 36 andyou shared what you shared because
there's kind of like this, Iwouldn't say a joke, but like in
the human design community,like, like, if you make it past 30

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as a 3 6, you know, like, nicejob, you know, well done, because
you're like a double three.
And you were telling yourstory like, hey, if I didn't get
that job, you know, withEmirates, like, I might have been
stabbed or killed or dead orwhatever, you know, so yeah, just
interesting to connect,connect those dots there and, and
to, to see you be on thistrial, trial and error journey and
just keep learning and gainingmore wisdom through this process.

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Yeah.
And I think also, like, whenyou started talking, when you shared
about going deep into thespiritual path, I was wondering,
like, I'm like, when did theflip happen?
And then you went into theflip, because it almost has to in
some regards, because there isan imbalance there.
And so it's like, yes, I'mpurifying my vessel and I'm, I'm,
you know, in the spirit realmsall the time.

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And yet are you connected andgrounded to the instinctual and to
like the, the depths and, and,and that darkness that we kind of
need to have a foot in thedoor, not to live from it, but to
know it.
And so, you know, it's like, Ifeel like your life took on this
journey that was necessary foryou to come to this place of balance
and a more integrated state.

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Thank you for.
Thank you for the reflection.
And I'm happy that I'm aliveso I can be here with you guys and,
you know, and co.
Create.
Co create magic in the world.
And yeah, it was, it wasfascinating because like that initial
awakening process, it was.
It was so utterly profound.
It was pure ecstasy.
I recall at least a dozentimes I would wake up in my room

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with these incredible orbs oflight, like gold, silver, white,
just like flowing over me andthis ecstasy.
And it was just such abeautiful thing to feel so much devotion.
Although there was some biaswith respect to what I unconsciously
perceived God to be as, youknow, still some ethereal being or

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series of beings.
Of course, the Catholicprogramming informed that there was
no grounding, there was nodeep connection to the mother, the
earth, and there was nophysical guide.
Like, it was phenomenal that Iwas able to experience these things,
but there was no physical guide.
And such is the nature ofapproaching life through a dualistic

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lens.
It's like you experience acertain extreme and it had to go
the other way.
And I'm happy that it didbecause I was allowed to experience
the full spectrum and actuallylearn things like, you know, forgiveness
and really make sense of howevil or darkness can exist, especially
in someone that is meant tolove you or you're meant to embody

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love.
It was perfect as it needed tobe challenging.

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But how did, if we can double.
Click on that, how did thatkind of unfold with your father as
you came to your own resolutions?
Were there conversations thatwere had?
What's the State of thattoday, so to speak.
Yeah, well, here's the, here'sthe challenging part for me.
So he is really withdrawnwithin himself, right.
Like, he's obviously carryingso much.

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Whatever, whatever he,whatever I experienced, he also experienced
because of his father as well.
And we know how this, how thisworks, right?
And you know, it's been reallydifficult to have any conversation
with him around much things,to be honest with you.

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And it's, it's been really difficult.
Like we, of course, we'restill, he's still together with my
mother.
You know, he, he's anarchitect, he's a incredible visionary
creator and he's just carryingso much inside of himself.
And there's been some momentsin time.
There was a critical momentactually back in 2020 when I was,

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I was locked down for threemonths in Australia.
I wasn't meant to be there.
I was meant to be there, Iguess, but I was living in Bali at
that point in time.
At the end of the three monthexperience, like a moment had come
up where we were having adialogue around something.
Can't remember what it was.
And then like he, I could justsee all of his wounding come up,

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his child come up and hisinstability and insecurity.
And there was in this momentwhere I was actually able to just
hold him for the first timeand almost like somatically transmit
this sense of unconditionallove to him.
And I think that has opened upa pathway of healing.
I don't know if we'll everactually be able to have a grounded

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man to man conversation aroundthese matters because of whatever
psychological, I guess, maskthat he's wearing and whatever he's
holding.
I would love to have thatconversation one day with him.
I just feel like there's goingto need to be some deeper preliminary

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work.
And here's the thing.
21, I left Australia, gone for10 years, boom, 30.
I was there for like maybe twoyears in my 30s, but I was nomadic
for the rest of it, living inBali, Thailand and Mexico.
So I acknowledge this part ofme that's like I'm getting as far
away as possible from havingto be around that yet.

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Like I've, I'm reaching alevel in my own awareness that I
could have that conversationwith him.
I just don't know whether he'sgoing to be open and receptive to
that.
And same thing with my motheras well.
So, yeah, it's still somethingthat's, that's in progress.
Thanks for sharing, bro.
Appreciate that, man.

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If you can speak into deeperlike, you mentioned, obviously, like,
your connection with Stefanoswas a deep path of integration and
healing on this journey.
Like, what was the power andimportance of brotherhood in those
moments?
To be able to ground you,contain you, and what that kind of
reflected back to you?
Like, what does that mean to you?
Oh, yeah.

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Such a great question.
And to be able to experience aman whose genuine intention was benevolent
and feeling the safety in hisnervous system was something that
I'd never experienced before.
And there was one specificmoment, actually, which is a thread

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back to what we were justspeaking around.
So.
So do you remember when therewas like, this kind of me too movement
thing that was going on, right?
Like, I really jump on bandwagons.
But, like, I.
I was.
I was like, oh, okay, well,this memory I have when I was in
Emirates, right, When I was inDubai, where.

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Okay, I'm.
I'm just gonna.
I'm just gonna speak to it.
I'm gonna speak about thisexperience, and then I'm gonna bring
it back to Stephanos.
And this one moment, whichreally critical.
So when I was in Dubai, we were.
We had our own apartments,sharing with a roommate or two.
I had this American roommatewhom, you know, he was a.
He was a homosexual man, right?

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And then a problem with that.
All good, right?
And he was like a big party guy.
And, yeah, he was like theparty guy.
And, you know, I think he wasquite proud to have, like, an Australian
flatmate and all of this.
And we had.
We had some big parties,especially during the early, early
days, the first few months.
And there was this oneChristmas party where got highly

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intoxicated.
Remember, I was smoking shishaand this other lady told me to crush
Panadol and put it on the shisha.
I did that.
I was, you know, three, six, right?
And I just.
I just getting, like, really,really, really, really fucked up.
And like.
And waking up that morning,like, you know, waking up that morning

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actually naked in the elevatorwith this girl walking back to the
apartment, going to my room,seeing another maid of mine that
joined Emirates, a good mateof mine a few.
Few weeks after me in my bedwith my flatmate.
And my.
My mate is not.
He's not gay.
I'm like, okay.
And then, anyway, like, it wasjust really strange and weird.

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And then later that day, I hadlike, these strange flashbacks that
kind of like, I was like, isthis real?
Of, like, this flatmateactually taking advantage of me.
And I couldn't move my body at all.
Like, I was like, trying.
I couldn't move.
I'm like, huh, that's strange.
And I was just like, I don'tknow, like, feel weird.

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Never felt like this before.
Fast forward two years later, right?
I was, I was, I was seeingthis other girl and we ended up breaking
up.
And then I was at the club, asyou do when you break up.
And then a mutual friend ofmine said, hey, where have you been?
Been in this relationship?
And he goes, oh, by the way,Victor's here, right?
Who's my flatmate.
I go, oh, cool, I haven't seenthis guy for so long.

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And then I go up to him, I go,hey, how's it going?
And he was really angry,really upset.
I go, what happened?
He goes, there's another guyhere that's accused me of like essentially
date raping him.
And I go, oh, that's up.
And he goes, yeah, you know,he's meant to be on like, you know,
he's meant to be upset and inpsychological distress, but is here
at the club.
I'm like, yeah, you know him, right?

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And then anyway, I go back totheir house for a little afterparty
and then he goes to me like,I'm feeling really guilty about that
time I tried to likepotentially date rape you, right?
And I was like, oh, okay, sothat actually happened, right?
That actually happened.
And I was like, well, Iforgive you.
I was very forgiving.

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I'm very forgiving, cuz like Iempathize with this past.
And anyway, I was like, whatever.
Like, okay, fast forward.
This is like, you know, maybeI'm at the 30, 33, staying with Steph
and I write a post about thatexperience and I was, God, this happened,
you know, like, and it almostlike in a funny, in a funny way.
And then Steph saw the postand then he comes and touches my

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shoulder and he goes, hey,like, can we kind of talk about this?
And it was like the first timeactually, like there was like a deeper
dialogue.
And then the kind of threadwas woven to childhood stuff.
And you know, how.
How maybe unconsciously insome way that was being created as

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another representation of powerlessness.
But yeah, to have that, thatspace where I can just be held.
And then there was actuallynumerous times more than once where
I was going through like areal deep, somatic, like release
slash felt like death.
Specifically one time when Iwas living in the jungle in Tulum.

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And yeah, and Steph got on acall with me and was able to guide
me through, you know, aprocess to.
Yeah, to attune and to releaseand to come back to my center and
yeah.
So, you know, it's a longwinded way of saying that it's been
pivotal to have a masculinepresence, specifically that could.
That that is gifted andskilled enough to hold me in some

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of the.
More nuance in my ownpsychological process and as a inspiration.
Thanks for being so open totalk about all this stuff, man.
I really appreciate it.
You're welcome.
Yeah.
Like, there's no, there's nocharge around this with me.
It's like this is part of myexperience that in some level I have

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chosen, you know, and I getthat it's something that's in the
lineage, something that's inthe collective field.
And, you know, it is what it is.
Like, would my life have beendifferent if all of this didn't happen?
Probably.
I probably feel much betterabout myself.
High levels of self worth, beable to be more healthfully expressed

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about the masculine and feminine.
Although, you know, it's.
It's here for a reason and,yeah, doing my best.
And if in some way, shape orform, this gives somebody else permission
to explore their own, that's.
That was the thing.
That was.
The thing that just popped inmy head is like, you know, when we
do express ourselves, when wedo keep it real and we share these

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deeper parts of us in a waythat's pretty grounded and like,
hey, this is, this is true.
This is my experience.
Like, I just.
It does give people thecourage to be able to, like, look
at themselves in a differentway and perhaps reach out to someone
and share an experience thatthey had.
And so, yeah, I mean, Icommend you for that.
And I think it's.
It's something that's neededmore and more because we're human.

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Like this idea that, like, oh,everything's great, everything's
going to be perfect.
Like, we all deal with up now.
Some people deal with more upthan other people, but the reality
is we don't leave Earth unscathed.
You know, it's just.
That's not.
I don't think that's thepurpose of life here.
But it's like, when we do dealwith these kinds of things, what

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do we then do with it?
And then how do we alchemizeit into something greater in our
own lives and even being ofservice to others by being that authentic.
There was one critical momentwhen I was actually still living
with Steph.

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I was feeling like.
I was feeling a lot of thediscomfort because this is.
The valve was opened now, right?
Like, the valve was open.
I'm like, oh, I'm feelingthings And I'm like, I.
I needed a.
I need to heal.
I need to, like, shift thisemotional discomfort.
And at this point, I wasexperimenting pretty hard with.
With psychedelics as well,because I.

(31:37):
I just got them revealed to mefor the first time, and I'm like,
whoa.
Like, my whole concept ofreality has been.
Has been shook.
And I had some.
I had some acid, right?
And I'm like, I'm gonna.
I'm gonna go on a really deepacid journey.
And my whole goal is to, like,to try to access the inception point,

(31:58):
like, within my own being.
And I was actually meant tojourney with.
With Steph, but he had, like,a flu that day, and he's like, I.
I can't.
I don't want to journey, butI'll just.
I'll just.
I'll just be here, right?
So I dropped like a.
Probably like 700 milligramsof acid, and I was like.
My whole consciousness got like.

(32:19):
It was like shouted and.
And fragmented across the whole.
The whole.
The whole of the reality.
That's what it felt like anyway.
And I was just like, that'swhat I wanted.
I felt like I needed to be broken.
And I was just like, put meback together.
God, creation, right?
And what ended up happeningwas like, as I kind of came back
together, I was actually ableto reach this.

(32:43):
This dialogue with my fatherand fully and fully forgive all of
it.
And I know it's a bit of anextreme way to do it, but, like,
it.
I was able to fully forgive, right?
And then I made an agreement.
I made an agreement.
I was like, if.
If I'm still gonna be here inthis human experience.

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Because granted, like, notthat I was suicidal, but I was just
like, firstly, I was living mylife like I was going to die tomorrow.
That's the decision I madewhen I was about 16.
And I was like, man, I don't.
Like, I don't know if I wantto be here.
This is too difficult.
But I said, if I am going tobe here, I'm committing my life fully
to whatever your will is, Creation.

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Because I don't want to justbe like, a waste of breath here.
So I'm here for that.
And it was actually in thatdeep space of like, of deep forgiveness
and reconciling the facet ofmyself that is my father and recognizing
that, you know, the.
The divisive dualisticperspective is an illusion.

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Like, I'm like, okay, well,all the shit and all the grime and
all, like, the darkness ofthis reality.
If I'm going To be here.
I'm not going to be here justto kind of trifle through it and
perpetuate it.
I'm here to alchemize it intobe of service in whatever way that
I can.
And so I can see, like eventhe gift in that experience.
You know what was interesting,Steph, is like, man, like when you're

(34:07):
super high, like, it just,it's like you're normal.
Like it was just kind of.
He was like, what on earth?
I was like, it was a verydeep, deep situation.
And yeah, there was somethingthat was reconciled there that informed
my journey.
But yeah, I'm definitelyrecommending big doses of acid to
anyone, that's for sure.

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And I guess.
Well, let me ask this question first.
Yeah.
What do you think are thepitfalls of like, just forgiveness
as, like this path?
Because, you know, it seems aslike we, particularly in spiritual
corners, etc.
They just have forgiveness onthis pedestal as kind of the highest

(34:48):
act of morality, the highestvibration, etc.
Etc.
But is it always real?
And can you always reallyforgive, you know, trespasses that
are that deep?
Yeah, such a great question.
And let's just go back to, youknow, Catholic upbringing, right?
If you're a.
You're, you're a sinner andyou've done the most up nefarious,

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you then go to this priestbehind this box and say, father,
forgive me.
And then the Father, who isthe representative of the Father
has now just forgiving you foreverything with a magic wand.
And then you just go and dothe same shit because you haven't
repatterned anything inside ofyourself, right?
So even that in itself is aprime example of like forgiveness

(35:33):
as a cop out versus what trueforgiveness is.
Which if you look at itetymologically speaking, it's for
giving, right?
So I may have made peace withsomething, but less I am giving or
acting from a place where I'vereconciled what this is and I have
actually shifted my ownbehaviors and I'm giving or offering

(35:55):
myself to the world in a newway, then it doesn't really mean
anything, right?
It's like.
So it's an interesting onebecause just saying I forgive you,
okay, sure.
But unless there's a deepcellular shift and change inside
of myself, and if that is notexpressed outside the world and how
I'm relating to self andothers, then it's just another word

(36:18):
that gets thrown around.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, well said there.
I hear you.
I just feel like there's a lotof forgiveness that people just pay
lip Service to the word.
It's not really.
It's not.
There's no behavior change.
It's just, oh, this is whatI'm supposed to do, and this is the
right thing to do.
And look how spiritual I am.

(36:39):
Yes.
Whilst they're just holdingthis, they're holding the baggage,
and they're.
They're not enacting.
Yes.
And also not going through theprocess of, like, it's okay to feel
rage.
Yes.
It's okay to feel deep judgment.
It's okay to maybe have a partof you be like, I'm gonna kill you
for what you did to me.
Now, I'm not saying you shouldgo do that, but, like, what is that

(37:02):
in that human process when,like, Joel said, like, someone has
that, you know, committed atrespass against you, and they've
did something horrific towardsyou, they violated you.
So it's almost.
You have to go through thisjourney to maybe get to the point.
I'm not saying that everythingshould be forgiven.
I mean, I.
I'm not here to say that.
I think there's some thingsthat are so.

(37:25):
So awful that maybe you'relike, you know, you don't deserve
my forgiveness.
I don't know.
I mean, again, it's anindividual thing that a person needs
to get to.
But the way you explained it,at least for your personal experience,
I mean, it landed and itresonated with me.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
I mean, I think for themajority of forgiveness platitudes,
like, when that's just donetime and time again, like, what is

(37:46):
that actually doing to therelationship with oneself, like,
inside one's being?
Like, there has to be thiscompounded internal breach of integrity
that takes place, and it'slike this lip service to forgiveness.
Yet there's this hurt thatyou're confused about and you can't
reconcile.
But just because the outerworld and this moral blanket which
is imposed on these differentcommunities, whether it's religion
or spirituality, it's like,forgive, forgive, forgive.

(38:07):
But it's not real inside you.
Like, ultimately, you'retearing yourself apart in that process.
You know, like, you're notbeing real by, you know, oh, let
me just try get this off mypsyche by, you know, saying these
words when it's not, like, areal lived experience.
Yeah, no, I.
I hear you.
Look, it's all good to havethe intention to, you know, to be

(38:29):
this benevolent being and tocut cords and tethers and let others
go and to stop bearing the burden.
And then there's the.
The practical reality.
Of what is compounding insideof us and the often painful and.
And deep journey that'srequired to unearth that and to truly.
Yeah.
Turn that compost or intosomething beautiful.

(38:51):
It's definitely not anovernight thing, that's for sure.
Sure for sure.
All right.
Yeah.
So you had the acid journey.
You asked to be of willfuluse, you know, for.
For the.
In service.
So like, what is the mission?
Like what.
What are you here for?
What.
What do you.
What's.
What's the purpose?

(39:12):
Yeah, well, look, if I.
If I distill right to theheart and core of.
Of why I'm here, right.
I'm here through my creativeexpression, through the.
The service, inspiration andguidance with others, specifically
you know, high level creators,to catalyze the true remembrance

(39:35):
of who we are.
Like full stop.
For me it's about fullspectrum sovereignty, full spectrum
remembrance, full spectrumembodiments of our truth as profound
infinite consciousness that isinhabiting this temporal vessels.
And in this lifetime.
My goal is to.

(39:56):
Is to be able to catalyze afull spectrum awakening that's grounded
in.
In.
In sovereignty.
And what I mean by that islike I'm here to play a role collaborating
with others so that we canliberate ourselves from the programming

(40:16):
of enslavement and all of the.
All of the horrific thingsthat are keeping humanity entrapped
to support us in fullyactualizing our creative power, sovereignty,
autonomy and rightrelationship with self, with the
earth, with all of creation.

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For me, that's the mostimportant thing.
Because if we are notliberating our consciousness and
awareness, then nothing elsereally matters.
Because we either areliberated or online or we are offline
and still entrapped in an illusion.
So that of course is a.
Is a big mission.
Although through everythingthat I do, whether it's through writing

(41:01):
book authorship, coaching orguiding others, creating technological
systems and structures ofgovernance, building community or
whatever it might be, it's allconnected to that.
How can I support being acatalyst of greater awakening, greater
impact, greater remembranceand reclamation of our sovereign

(41:22):
power as royal infinitebeings, expressions of consciousness
to reclaim our kingdoms and queendoms.
For me, that's.
That's my mission.
That's what I'm about.
Thank you, bro.
Thank you for sharing, man.
So, you know, you're anincredibly creative guy.
Like obviously we.
We've interacted and engaged on.

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On some level and there's nodoubt, you know the word visionary.
Different definitely comes tomind when I think of like what Nikhil
can do, what Nikhil's capable of.
What Nikhil can see into.
And so obviously there's a bigpolarization happening now around
AI, artificial intelligence,particularly with people in our world.
You know, is this just thedawning of technocracy and we're

(42:04):
just on a slippery slope to,you know, losing human consciousness
and being merged with, youknow, the Borg hive mind or whatever
it might be?
How do you view artificialintelligence, AI, and what are the
ways in which you think that,you know, creators, truth seekers,
you know, people who intend onwalking an authentic path can actually

(42:26):
engage with AI in a way thatis benevolence and in a way that
amplifies authenticity asopposed to contracting it?
Yeah, now that's.
That's the question of thetimes, isn't it?
Like, what's happening rightnow with the.
The rise of artificialintelligence is actually bigger than

(42:47):
the Internet.
And this is like a watershedmoment in, in our human experience.
Now, to answer this question,I just want to speak to technology
at large, right?
Like tech.
Technology is.
And these various systems,they are like the composite of consciousness

(43:07):
in itself, right?
Like the composite of consciousness.
What do I mean by that?
So you have, you know,hardware represent the.
The body, software representthe programming, right?
And you've got these systemsthat are just replicating how the
reality works.
Now, it's never going to beable to do it as well as our natural

(43:28):
organic technology does.
I mean, look at our world.
Look at the reality that welive in that computers are going
to be able to replicate that.
Could it replicate a virtualversion of that?
Sure.
Right.
Can people give away theirautonomy and power and plug into
that?
Sure.
We've seen the Matrix play out.
Right?
So AI, funnily enough, justthe name or how it's been labeled

(43:49):
as artificial intelligence,that in itself lends itself to how
it's being pitched within thecollective psyche.
This is something that isinherently inorganic.
This is something that is not real.
This is something that's artificial.
Right?
And it's like it's soautomatically, it's got that.

(44:10):
That aspect to it.
Now, what is.
What is artificial intelligence?
What is machine learning?
Well, a series of computersthat have been trained on data that
over time, it gets better andbetter and better at synthesizing
that data into more meaningfuloutput with a lot of bias depending
on whoever has programmed thatdata and the type of data in itself.

(44:33):
So AI in itself, it's notscary as, like a standalone piece
of technology, but where thereis an existential threat is when
that technology is justunleashed into the world with no
guardrails, and it's givenenough autonomy, which you call agents,

(44:55):
to really do whatever it likes.
Right.
So just, just the other day,the, you know, the US government
just signed a deal with Palantir.
Are you guys familiar with Palantir?
Yeah.
Right.
So you know Eye of Sauron.
Right.
So yeah, you know, thistechnology is being used in the same
way that technology has beenused over the last, you know, 10,

(45:18):
20 years, you know, to, tosurveil, to control, to manipulate
consciousness, to extract attention.
All of that.
Right.
For social engineering.
Now that's just one side of it.
Right?
Right now we're using Zoom.
Right.
Like Zoom is owned by, youknow, China.
And it's probable that they'reusing Starter to train things at
the same time.

(45:38):
We're having this phenomenalconversation and you've had many,
many incredible conversationsusing technology in exactly the same
sense.
AI presents an opportunity forcreators who have a level of awareness
and attention to not justaugment their skill sets, but to
amplify their own creativeprocess without giving creative autonomy

(46:00):
to it.
Whether you like it or not, AIis here to stay.
It's already been here forsome time and it will continue to
be embedded into every aspectof our digital experience.
So the question lies, are youseeing it as an enemy, therefore
giving away your power tosomething that is inevitable?
Or rather, are you reclaimingyour power and infusing your relationship

(46:23):
with this technology withintention and not just using it as
like, oh, I'm just usingChatGPT, but also getting very curious
with respect to how AI systemsand automation can be leveraged in
your own workflow, your owncreative process, your own reflective
process to, to support your mission.

(46:43):
And we're still in the earlystages of this AI revolution, so
there's plenty ofopportunities for visionary creators,
purpose driven entrepreneursto actually inform form how this
technology unfolds inside ofthe world.
That's the exciting partbecause there's still many more models
to be trained, many moreexperiences to be had, many more

(47:05):
industries that be disrupted,and many more ways that we can leverage
it to enhance our own personalmissions and visions in the world.
Yeah, thank you for that overview.
See, I'm curious your thoughtson this because I'm getting really
hip to just being able topinpoint AI copy.
Yeah, extremely easily, youknow, just by having engaged with

(47:28):
it.
Like I just see it again, itfeels like it's like this cut and
paste thing that's happening a lot.
And so like what are yourrecommendations to conscious or to
entrepreneurs?
Like how to engage with it,how to utilize it in a Way where
it's, like, impactful asopposed to.
I'm sitting there going like,oh, my God, this just sounds like
AI.
There's all the.
There's all the things thatcome with it, the phrases, the structures,

(47:51):
the punctuation that, like,kind of highlights.
All right, this is AI right here.
Yes.
So.
So here, here's the piece.
Right.
I know we're talking nowspecifically around using AI as a.
As a content creation assistant.
It's what's going to be themost important and valuable currency
I believe in, other thanmaybe, you know, unvaccinated sperm

(48:12):
is going to be like authentic,original creativity.
Like, can you still be anoriginator in the world?
Right.
Like, that's going to be so,so, so valuable.
Especially as AI systemscontinue to create all of the content,

(48:33):
you know, all of, like, the clones.
That's going to happen moreand more and more and more and more.
So people are going to, like,when someone sees a piece of content,
whether it's like a video orwhether it's a written piece of content
that, like, hey, maybe thehuman actually wrote this, that's
actually going to be.
It's going to be felt.
Because right now you canalready feel it.

(48:53):
And I believe there's going tobe simple ways, like blockchain ways,
where you can actuallyvalidate whether something is AI
or originated AI or originatedfrom the soul, so to speak.
But here's the thing, right?
In this day and age where it'sobviously really helpful if you're
a creator or business owner toalmost be like, omnipresent across

(49:16):
various platforms and to bereally prolific with content creation.
It is helpful to have AI thatcan support you in generating content,
repurposing content, so on andso forth.
But here's what.
Here's the way that I wouldlook at it.
I would make a commitmenttowards writing my own content, at
least a solid proportion of it.

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And then with my own AI, I'vegot it intimately trained on a lot
of my own original content.
And then when I've got mydraft, I'm using it as like an.
An editing partner and arefinement partner to critique and
reflect.
And then I'll continue to kindof complete it and then maybe do
some polish on it.
Yeah, right.
Versus just saying, boom,write me a post.

(50:01):
Because, yeah, it's an interesting.
It's an interesting dance for that.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I agree.
You have to know what youactually want to say.
And the problem is, is whenyou turn towards AI with like a blank
slate or just Wanting tocreate content for the creator, for
the sake of making content,without having an original idea that
you're taking to the process,then it becomes very obvious and

(50:24):
it becomes very shallow andall the rest of it.
But when you actually have adeep embodied sense of what you want
to say, how you want to shareit, the ways in which you want to
share it, et cetera, then therefinement process is like, it actually
takes just as long to create apiece with AI that is actually yours
than it would have been tojust write the article.
Like, I've done both.

(50:45):
Sometimes it's longer to do itproperly with AI, to be honest, because
it.
Is, it's this back and forthprocess, you know, and it's like
you're not just settling for.
You're like really curious.
Like, no, this doesn't.
Because you're still engaging.
It's almost like in some ways,I don't want to say having a co writer,
but, but it's like, it's likeyou use the term editor.
It's like having this personwho has, or this thing, this entity

(51:05):
that has the skills that maybelike you don't have, you know, to
a certain degree.
And so like, if you have thesecore thoughts and core ideas and
these deep messages that youwant to share and, and then you go
through this process and it's,it's an hours long process.
It's not like, oh, hey look, Iwant to write about like penguins
in Antarctica and then writeme a post and then it's like it just

(51:27):
talks about penguins inAntarctica and then you just cut
and paste that like, what the fuck?
Well, it's, it's, it's anhours long process when there's genuine
creativity and genuine authenticity.
Exactly.
And when like, because this,this is the thing, regardless of
what the technology is like,if you're really sincere about content
creation, you're never goingto let anything pass the gates that

(51:50):
hasn't passed your personal scrutiny.
It's just personal scrutiny onsuch a deep level.
Every grammatical choice,every piece of syntax, every sentence
structure, every everything,you know, it's like this needs to
be and feel like mine.
And so now we're seeing thismassive watered down of content creation
taking place.
We're just endlessly, youknow, scrolling through, reading

(52:12):
the same prose, the samestructures, seeing the same kind
of things being used.
And I think you're right.
What's going to, what's goingto become more valuable than ever.
I'm actually seeing like apendulum swing where it's like people
are going to be called to getreally fucking raw, really messy.
Like move away from clean, thepolished kind of pieces, whatever

(52:34):
it might be all together.
And we're going to be calledlike the big deep.
And what's really going tostand out are like those, those pieces
of content, you know, that arejust like raw, unrefined, the gritty,
real.
Like there's going to be moredemand for that than ever, I think.
Big time, big time.
Like just like unhinged,authentic kind of fire and truth.

(52:54):
Like that's, you know, that'swhere it's at, you know.
And I, I, this is, you know,speaking to like the, I guess the,
one of the inherent kind ofpitfalls, you know, of AI.
Like I, I, you know, you'velucky had this conversation with
previous podcast guests beforewith respect to, you know, transhumanistic
agendas and right, like youknow, Terminator, Skynet, right.

(53:18):
Like if I just kind of followpatterns and see how some things
have been rolled out in theworld and how there's been specific
engineering or social cultureengineering taking place.
Like I do see that the AI thatwe're using right now, it's not like
it's not the most powerful AI.
Like it's like for example,they've probably got iPhone50 they've

(53:41):
already made, but, but theythrow out like oh, here's an iPhone
X to the masses AGI, butartificial general intelligence and
kind of super AGI, which iswhat OpenAI is sprinting towards,
all the big players aresprinting towards this super hyper
intelligent system that'sessentially it's conscious in itself.

(54:06):
They've already achieved thatyears ago.
They've already achieved thatyears ago.
There's already a hyperintelligent system that's already
running things, right?
It's already predictingthings, it's already influencing
things.
And if that's true, which Ibelieve it is because there's proof
that it's true, specificallyin military context.

(54:31):
If that's true then, and ifpart of it, if part of an intention
or agenda is to continue tocontrol and direct humanity in a
certain way, then there wouldbe a goal to create a higher level
of codependence on AI, right?
And what we're seeing rightnow in a lot of like the, I guess

(54:51):
social media sphere where youcan just see like this is just AI
content.
People are like, oh well thisis making my life easier.
But really it's creating ahigher level of co dependence on,
on these systems to the pointthat, you know, if presented with
an opportunity to either getchipped or totally outsource your
creative process to a reallygood AI system.

(55:12):
I feel like many people willdo it because they haven't plugged
in their own gaps in theiroric field and haven't reconciled
their inherent codependency orpeople pleasing tendencies.
That's now just amplifiedbecause of these magical powers that
you can have with AI systems.
And it is magic.
It really is magic.
Like it's just modern daymagic, you know.

(55:32):
So there is a bigger picturething that I think it's important
to be very aware of,especially with respect to how this
has already been programmedinto the collective psyche, you know,
through film and media likeBlade Runner, Terminator and all
these other things.
Right.
But then once again reclaimingour power and saying, well, bottom
line, it's all about theintention of how we're using these

(55:54):
things, recognizing our ownboundaries and really comprehending
that there's no, like thesesystems aren't going to replace human
intelligence or emotionalintelligence and creativity, but
they can be really powerfultools to do that if used correctly.
So I mean it's a, yeah, maybeit's a deeper dive conversation but

(56:16):
things that are important toconsider specifically around codependency
and it's how seeing that playout a lot right now.
Yeah.
Honestly my currentperspective of AI is that it's still
pretty dumb in many ways.
People talk of AGI, I align.
I don't know if you'refamiliar with the physicist philosopher
David Deutsch, but he thinksfor artificial general intelligence

(56:38):
to exist we need to be seeingreal moral, independent thoughts.
It needs to be challengingdirectives, it needs to be refusing
tasks, you know, and he thinksthat we years off from AGI in that
sense.
And I don't know what's outthere currently, obviously I don't
in, in, in the deeper essenceof things.
But what we're seeing on thesurface, it's like it's very flawed,

(57:01):
it's very simple.
It just kind of feels like amore specific search engine, like
in many ways, you know, to be honest.
Yeah, yeah.
The AI that most of us areplaying with, like you know, like
in the chat, GPT models,things like that.
Yeah, these are, well, I'llsay like they're not basic because

(57:23):
they continue to get betterand better, but in the context of
like AGI, they're basicbecause it's just like, it's just
parrots.
Right.
It's like a, it's like aparrot that's just speaking back
to you and it's getting betterat speaking back.
But sometimes It'll hallucinate.
And no matter what you'resaying, it's going to say absolutely
brilliant.
Nikhil, that was the perfect.
Yeah, unless you train it veryspecifically not to say that.

(57:45):
But here's the thing, like inthe back, back end, I mean, who knows
what's unleashed onto theworld, right?
Like, and what type ofanomalies take place as a result
of that.
But you know, this I think canbe kind of proven per se.
Although AI is not new, it'sbeen here for a long ass time.
And the fact that there'sbillions and billions and billions

(58:06):
and billions of dollars beingpoured into it like you know, almost
every week, it's, it'sinteresting and it's an interesting
opportunity.
Yeah.
But yeah, so what are some of.
Like the high end futurepathways of collaboration with this
technology that you see, youknow, leading to like, you know,

(58:28):
us building maybe like reallypowerful like micro communities?
Because it really feels likewe're heading in that direction as
well.
Particularly as social mediafeels like, like I mentioned before,
it's becoming more and morejust watered down with content generation.
Like there's going to be, youknow, more of that craving for like
the real thing.
And so it kind of seems likethe emphasis on online, real, raw,

(58:52):
authentic communities is goingto be, you know, more powerful.
But like, how does, how can weleverage this technology in growing
towards actually having deeperhuman connection as opposed to less
of it?
I actually think that's likethe, probably the greatest, one of
the greatest opportunitiesthat AI will give us once we're able
to outsource or delegate allof the efforting around maintaining

(59:20):
digital connection and findingthe right people and having meaningful
dialogue with them.
All of that will be able tobe, you know, delegated to AI agents
for the most part so that wecan free up our time to be in real
connection with others,whether it's digitally or ideally
in the physical realm.
Like that's, for me, that'sone of the greatest, greatest opportunities

(59:43):
because a lot of the thingsthat we do manually right now, like
kind of comments, posting,reaching out to people, managing
our businesses, so on and soforth, that can all be achieved through
AI agents.
Right?
And here's something veryimportant to consider right now.
How we explore the Internetpredominantly through search engines,

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websites, social mediaplatforms, these are all legacy.
How has any of that changed inthe last 15 years?
Instagram's the same with abunch of new features on it.
You're still on websites,blah, blah, blah.
Right.
Of course, Google's got likean AI know, AI Tab right now and
right.
You might see some of that.
But this is like the legacy Internet.
We're about to step into thepost web era where interfaces are

(01:00:33):
going to be purely agentic.
What does that mean?
It's like, you know, you'veseen Iron man, right?
Like, or maybe, maybe, maybeseen Iron Man.
It's like, okay, I'm talkingto my AI, Jarvis.
Right, Jarvis.
Exactly.
Like it knows what's up, itknows my context, it knows the context
of everything I'm connected to.
And I'm just in connectionwith that.
It's finding me the content,finding me the people.

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It's doing the things.
Brilliant.
I don't have to be clickingaround doing the things.
It's doing all of that for meon its own accord, kind of 24, seven.
Right.
Like that's going to be thenew interfaces and you're going to
have your own custom portal tothe interwebs through your main agent
or series of agents and that's it.

(01:01:16):
You're not going to bescrolling through Instagram anymore.
It's going to be like, heyErasmus, just three posts today that
are really powerful and here'show you can use this leverage, this
content to create a dialogue.
And by the way, I've alreadyreached out to the creators and booked
in a time with them.
Like that's going to be thelevel of how it's going to move and
shift.

(01:01:37):
Right.
And there's so many benefitsto that, of course, that I've potentially
pitfalls too.
I, I see with this type ofleverage not just creatively, not
just in the context ofbuilding relationships, but also
in an economic way, to be ableto productize, to be able to grow
your businesses, to be able toreach new audiences, all of that

(01:01:59):
fun stuff, it's going to openup a lot more opportunity to for
prosperity, which can then beredistributed to different projects,
different impact initiatives.
The things that I feel wereally need as a species to continue
to, not to migrate fully offthe digital realm, but to really

(01:02:19):
tend to the infrastructure inthe physical realm that we need to
thrive, which are localizedregenerative economies, hubs, all
of this stuff.
Right.
So like I see AI andtechnology actually being a leverage
point to that, but not foreveryone, because everyone wants
that.
Yeah, I mean, I guess thatthere is a point of that in like
the more that we can automateour digital tasks, even our digital

(01:02:42):
interactions, in a sense, thenthe more energy and time that kind
of frees up for us to kind ofreclaim some energy in the practical
and in the human.
Yeah.
I mean, when I think about it,I go, I would love to be able to
outsource some of this stuff.
Obviously I have highstandards, but if I could just spend
more time in my garden, moretime with community, more time on

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calls like educating,inspiring and teaching more while
everything else is beingsorted, like sign me up, you know,
like, that's how I want tolive my life in that regards.
So, yeah, it is very interesting.
I'm.
I'm curious, Nikhil.
I know they're probably in theearly stages, but you know, we have
a podcast called Here for the Truth.
I would love where we can justpress a button and then it is translated

(01:03:24):
in 60 languages immediatelyand then sent out to these different
countries in, in theirlanguage, like audio dubbed or whatever,
or even just translated underneath.
If they're watching video.
That would, that would be incredible.
That would be able to go to somany, be able to go out to so many
people around the world.
Even just the simplicity of chat.
Now.
I wrote an article recentlyand I just like cut and paste it

(01:03:46):
and said translate it to Greekand gave it to my mom.
My mom was living with us andshe wrote, she read the whole thing
and like completely impacted her.
I wouldn't be able to do that,you know, a year and a half ago,
you know, like two seconds,cut, paste, print.
Here.
Mom read this piece that Ijust put out and then like tears
in her eyes.
Wow.

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Like that experience that shegets to have because, you know, she
doesn't understand the Englishlanguage, you know, to the degree
where she'll be able to readthat and take it in fully.
She might get some aspects ofit, but by the press of a button,
I was able to translate it toGreek and have my mom have a beautiful
deep experience and actuallyget me and understand me and maybe
a little bit of what I do in awhole new way.

(01:04:28):
Just to be fair, GoogleTranslate did exist two years ago.
But I get your point.
Yeah, but I just mean like.
Sure, but it just like Iremember using it in the past and
it just didn't like.
Yeah, it's not, it's not.
You're right.
You're right, it doesn't.
Google Transit kind of fails,especially in Spanish a lot.
Like, Spanish is bad.
Yeah.
Like, it's, it's embarrassedme so many times as many.

(01:04:50):
Like, it's so cool with mymom, like she's dealing with some
movement issues and health issues.
I think a lot of relate tolike, you know, stuff that she's
navigated the traumas she'sexperienced in her life.
Like I just went on chat GPTand I was like, I like gave it clear
instructions to like create aneft, like a tapping thing.
And then I said, now translatethis to Greek.
And so then I go with my momand we're doing tapping in Greek

(01:05:12):
and she's like, you know,having an experience.
So again, like this is where Ithink, like how do we utilize it
in such.
Right.
That's like the, the benefitsare like.
It'S, it's so easy to go intothe, the extreme.
It's like again, go back toduality, like integrating both.
Sure.
We should be mindful.
There's some things that canhappen where maybe it's not being

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utilized in the right way.
But what are the gifts?
What are the gifts of this technology?
You know, I'm experiencing itin so many different ways.
It is supporting me to doresearch projects around the house,
planting, gardening.
Like it's freeing up my timeto focus on other things that I care
about that are higher valuetasks and higher values for me.

(01:05:55):
Age of Aquarius, right?
Yes.
This is, this is the promisefor us.
Like we.
And, and look, technology,it's, it, it's.
It comes from a nature.
I mean computer systems comefrom nature.
Like it's all part of the one,the one system.
And it's all about theintention behind it.
Exactly what you're speaking to.
And as always, I think as faras living, we're seeing like a dualistic

(01:06:18):
realm.
There's going to be thebenevolent use cases and the emergent
innovations and it's going tobe the, the malevolent.
Malevolent, questionable,sketchy things.
I don't see that going anywhere.
Yeah, and it comes back downto again, your individual consciousness.
Who are you as a being exactly?
Earlier, like the people whohaven't maybe navigated certain things

(01:06:38):
within themselves,codependency, etc, like who are you
at the end of the day?
You know, how healthy are you?
What's your mindset?
What's the state of yournervous system?
Do you really know yourself?
How do you utilize these tools?
Do you utilize them in a waywhere it's like more in alignment
with who you are as a personor not?
Or are you using it toovercompensate for the fact that

(01:06:59):
like you aren't a self in thesense of like where you know yourself
and you've done this level ofwork on yourself where you can see
and you can analyze and youcan dance with technology in a way
that amplifies you as opposedto like, well, this could just replace
me.
I'm replaceable.
And you know what?
I'm not replaceable.
No one can replace me, you know?

(01:07:22):
So, yeah, man.
Ultimately, like, we've heardthese same fears throughout history
being echoed time and time again.
You know, I'm sure when peoplewere moving away from carrier pigeons
to maybe sending letters, youknow, like, there was these same
kind of fears that took placewhen the pencil was introduced, when
books came into the picture,when the computer was introduced,

(01:07:42):
when the Internet.
And now AI is like, there'salways that segment of society that
is like, this is going to bethe end of humanity, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
Like, when I see online, likepeople commenting, like, so rigid,
so extreme, like, oh, that AIstuff, I'm never touching it.

(01:08:03):
It's like, it's just a, it's,it's a signpost on, on their consciousness,
like, I'm.
I.
Exactly.
It provides me, like, oh, Icould, I can read you, I can analyze
you, and what the state ofyour inner world is based on that
level of rigidity, whichforget AI.
We could just see that inother areas of our life on how people
communicate.
It's just like, okay, cool,like, don't use it as a, as a tool.

(01:08:25):
Like, AI alone was worthy justfor me to be able to press a button,
translate something that I,that I wrote to give to my mom and
to have that experience withher that is with me forever.
You know what the thing is?
Like, even, even with the copything, like the AI copy thing, like,
previous to the last year anda half, people were hiring copywriters

(01:08:46):
to write their emails, towrite their posts, to write the things.
And, and you know, that wasyour voice, that wasn't your, you
know, like.
It'S funny, you know, bias.
It's a funny thing, isn't it?
It's like, and if, ifsomething is, if something is serving
you, great, but if somethingis kind of threatening you, then

(01:09:07):
you just kind of switched up instantaneously.
And we're going to see a lotmore of that.
We're going to see a lot ofpeople threatened by a hyper intelligence.
It is a hyper intelligencethat is each day getting better at
expressing humanistic traits.
And that's by design, right?
They, they want that.
It's not there yet, obviously.

(01:09:29):
So there is like this mirrorthat people will have to face inside
of themselves, like, oh, canthis replace me?
10 seconds.
Am I actually irreplaceable?
What is my value?
What is my worth?
So there's definitely medicinein that process as it is if people
are willing to look atthemselves and their triggers which
we know not always are.
Yeah.

(01:09:49):
What are you, what are yourlike, like currently with all the
different AI for differentthings out there, what are your favorite
ones to utilize for different reasons?
Yeah, so, so I've been, I'vebeen using ChatGPT and Claude predominantly
for the past few years andspecifically with ChatGPT.

(01:10:11):
I love, I love the O3 model,the reasoning model as it's just
a really powerful thinker.
Right.
Like I don't know if you'veused it before but it, it, it thinks
for a longer period of timeand it's, it's very, very logically
kind of present kind of actionplans and support you in very strategic
ways.
I love the deep Researchfeature on there as well which goes

(01:10:34):
out and finds like 60, 70different resources regarding various
subject matter.
Like I found some.
I made a really powerful trendconnection with my ancestry using
the deep research model andfound a lot of information that's
now informing my creativehypothesis around the main project
that I'm working on.

(01:10:54):
Claude is also really good andlook like we're building our own
AI native platform and systemand we have been building it for
about five months.
So we've been using theChatGPT Pro subscription which is
about $200 a month and usingsome of the developer tools with

(01:11:15):
Claude and like the acts thatthe coding ability is mind blowing.
Right.
So I don't know, mostlisteners likely aren't using AI
to code things although likeit's, you can have like a senior
software engineer on deck nowas part of your, as part of your
team for like a 200 subscription.

(01:11:37):
You know, it's wild.
So just on that side of AI,how things are progressing, like
just two weeks ago OpenAIlaunched a codex feature which essentially
gives you a pretty much like asenior software engineer.
You can give it infiniteconcurrent tasks connected to your
code base and it's justfixing, fixing, fixing like multiple

(01:11:58):
tasks at the same time.
It's wild.
Some of those things that arepossible and how these type of innovations
are going to influence andinform what gets built into the world.
But yeah, those are kind oflike, you know, the major, the major
tools for me.
Do you think real humanengineers, coders are going to become

(01:12:22):
obsolete?
Sad to say, yes, not everyone.
So even now a lot of themajority of the jobs in the whole
software engineering spacerequire you to be, you know, to use
AI because like if I, if I'vegot a company and if I'm bringing

(01:12:42):
on a A new developer, ifthey're not using AI, they're at
a massive disadvantage becausethey can 10x their productivity.
If, if they have got a contextaround code and are using these tools,
it's, it's game changing.
So at like the high, you know,I guess high operational levels,

(01:13:03):
I don't think jobs are goingto be treasure per se because the
architects that understand thesystems, they're still going to have
their role but like the day today coding, AI can code as good,
if not better than a seniorcoder in multiple languages right
now.
So it's the reality of it.
Yeah, yeah.
And you're right, it doesn'tnecess like I'm of the opinion that

(01:13:29):
and this might deter somepeople, but anything that can be
made obsolete probably shouldbe made obsolete because ultimately
it only creates more space forwhere the uniqueness that only humans
can bring to fill that spaceand it opens up that gap and it directs

(01:13:50):
us towards those tasks.
And that might seem scary inthe beginning, but ultimately when
things that become redundantare made redundant, it forces you
to dig deeper and it opens upspace where, how do we, how can we
even possibly imagine what'spossible for human creativity at
this, at this junction?

(01:14:12):
But I think it makes it moreexciting and it provides more opportunity
and it leads us into unknownrealms of human creativity as opposed
to, you know, limiting it.
That's.
Yeah, I'm with you.
There's a high probabilitythat, you know, a majority of jobs

(01:14:34):
are going to be replaced oreither highly disrupted by AI, but
highly disrupted meaning thatthat person that's doing that job,
I an accountant, right now,they're going to be expected to use
AI to support the accountingprocess, to wield it with intention.
Right.
And that's an inevitabilityacross the board.
Right.
Which speaking to your point,we're stepping into an entirely unprecedented

(01:14:59):
arena in this human experiencewith the convergence of technology,
the awakening of humanconsciousness and of course the shadow
being revealed.
For better or for worse, it'sall here.
This presents us with massiveopportunities for innovation not
just in the realms oftechnology, how we do business, but
also how we relate to theworld and how we relate to ourselves.

(01:15:21):
How we seeing ourselves on theleading edge of this evolutionary
spectrum, recognizing that notthat long ago we were just banging
sticks together, which is nota bad thing.
I mean it's profound that wecan bang sticks together or we can
light a fire, but now we'vegot access to hyper intelligence

(01:15:41):
and we've got a heart andwe've got a vision.
And now we can click a fewbuttons and make magic happen.
Literally.
It's like okay, so are we notpositioning for that versus being
stuck and held and addictedalmost to these legacy systems which
in themselves are systems of control.

(01:16:02):
So there's a natural attritionthat will happen.
Right.
And the ones that are willingto embrace it with curiosity are
the ones that are really goingto thrive in this, in this new era.
For sure.
Yeah man, for sure.
And like we're massiveobviously proponents of you know,
developing authentic selfesteem here.
And just as technologycontinues to innovate and grow and

(01:16:25):
becomes you know, moreenmeshed in our world, the need for
self esteem continuallybecomes greater as well for obvious
reasons.
And like even when it comes tolike these jobs, you know, say traditional
coding might become obsolete,but you need an individual of high
self esteem, of high selfefficacy to be able to be behind

(01:16:46):
there and 10x theirproductivity through the use of these
things, you know.
And so more and more like theautonomous individual who can think
for themselves, who isgenuinely creative, who has ideas,
who has visions.
This kind of person is veryexcited by everything that's taken
place because it justamplifies their impact like monumentously

(01:17:07):
in ways that before were notreally imaginable.
This is like a renaissanceperiod for, for creatives.
Like truly it truly is.
It's now it's a time where youcan just like supercharge your, your
creative abilities, reach newpeople, reach new markets, experiment
very quickly.

(01:17:27):
Yeah and yeah and just be,become like a really an even more
prolific creator.
And specifically if you have alens of impact and service.
This is why I'm so excited.
It's like my, my prayers havebeen answered in many ways because
a lot of what I was seeing inthe context of specific systems and
structures that I believe aregoing to be very important for the

(01:17:50):
future that we're building now.
It's like ah, the, the toolsare available right now and they
continue to become more, more adept.
So for me I'm like this isabsolutely what a brilliant time
and such a leverage that wehave as creators.
And the creator economy willcon is continuing to grow and expand.

(01:18:10):
You know, so it's like thecreator economy with like authenticity,
self esteem, originality atthe core that's now augmented and
scaffold by AI powered systems.
And I'm still bullish ondecentralized technology as a kind

(01:18:32):
of scaffold for sovereignsystems and self ownership and stewardship
as well, kind of playing arole in that.
For me that's where I'mPlaying like trader economy, AI systems,
decentralized technology and blockchain.
And at the heart of it, it's,it's myth, truth, right?
Like, you know, moving andorienting from that space.
That's where I've, I'mdirecting my energy as my.

(01:18:56):
Yeah.
As my kind of like platformand direction, moving forward because
it's the opportunity at handright now.
Yeah, yeah.
Did you hear recently, I thinkit was Gary Vee where he's saying
like in the near future, Idon't know how many years exactly,
that he said like 80% of likeinfluencers online are going to be

(01:19:16):
AI.
Like, what do you think of that?
Yeah, it's, it's already, it'salready happening.
Right?
Like right now, look, in thenext, probably in the next half an
hour, we could create a highfidelity Erasmus clone who looks
exactly like you, who speakswell, you know, not as, you know,

(01:19:38):
not as sexy and you know,refined and forged out of, you know,
Athenian bright bronze.
But you know, we could whipsomething up pretty, pretty decent
with your voice, train on yourcontent and we can just deploy it
to go out into the world andjust do the thing.
Right.
And like, it's pretty good now.
It's only going to get betterand better and better.
And yeah, like, you know, it's.

(01:20:00):
Gary Vee has, you know,whether he's informed or predicted
a lot of the innovations inthe digital social space, he's been
successful with that.
And then you look at like theZuckerbergs and stuff that openly
say what their intention is,that the world's going to be like
billions and billions andbillions of AI agents that are interfacing
with each other, doing theirthing, talking and speaking.

(01:20:23):
Right?
And so what the, what abenefit of that is is that like,
well, now there's TeamEurasmos, right?
Or Team Here for the truthversions of you and other and other
kind of like subversions ofyou that are out into the world,
doing things, making magichappen, growing stuff, right?

(01:20:45):
Like whether or not you wantto do that.
And I could be in the gardenand then I could just hang out in
my garden.
Exactly.
No, I mean, I need the balance.
I know myself.
I can't just be like, I seesome of the stuff happening in the
tech space and like there'scertain things that kind of go against
like my deeper value system Iappreciate as a tool, but like, I
don't know how it feels likeAI Erasmus out there in the world

(01:21:06):
things.
But I don't know.
I mean, who knows, who knowshow things Shift and evolved.
I'm open to certain elementsand I'm open to changing.
And at the end of the day,it's like, here for the truth.
Like we want to hear for thetruth Empire.
Yes.
You know, we're, we're here tobuild something that impacts the
lives of people all around the world.
And even back to my previouspoint, if we can get to a place where
we can translate everythingthat we do, everything that we're

(01:21:27):
about in, you know, 60, 70other languages and put it out there,
like, I'm all for it.
Yeah.
You know, if we can, if wecan, I guess, inspire other people
to embrace their individualitymore and build self esteem and live
more heroic lives and maybeother parts of the world that like,
haven't been exposed to someof these ideas in the same way.

(01:21:48):
What could our world be like?
You know, it's like America isunique in a lot of ways.
And what is at the foundationof the ethos of America?
And so I'm not saying we haveto like spread our views on everyone,
but there are certain thingsthat are at the foundation of what
we do.
Like that, that, that honorthe individual and honor the creative
process and honor the geniusof, of what a person can do and create

(01:22:11):
and produce and selfknowledge, self love, like all this
stuff that I think maybe is,is not as accessible in some places
anyways, I'm just like kind ofripping, like what is possible.
Yeah, bro.
You know, well, we know, we know.
The power of knowledge justsimply in our own lives from that
one podcast we listen to orthat one author we came into, or
that one, whatever it might be.

(01:22:33):
Like someone in some remoteplace has just access to inspiration,
you know, that wasn't there before.
That can just change theentire texture of their being in
many ways.
I mean, we, we have, we getemails often of people are like,
I just found your podcast andI just binge watched and like, it's
absolutely transformed my life.
Now these are prime.
These are English speakers.

(01:22:54):
Hmm.
Imagine the use of technology.
And I keep bringing up thispoint to go to non English speakers
and to hear things and ideasand energy.
It's, it's massive.
And, and here's here's the,the innovation that it's, it's inevitable
as well, right?
Like for example, you know,right now you've got rise above the

(01:23:15):
herd, right?
Which is your phenomenal program.
And it's delivered through aseries of videos, content calls,
and a community component.
Brilliant, right?
So full of value, right?
And there's going to be AIagents Right.
Which are a piece oftechnology that's trained in all

(01:23:36):
of that content that is now,like actively messaging me or talking
to me multiple times a day,saying, hey, watch the video.
What did you learn?
Let's have a conversationabout it.
That's actively invested in mygrowth journey that can be totally
automated and scalable.
Right.
So it's like a proactivesystem which is agentic, that can

(01:23:58):
now deliver content, delivertrainings and take people on journeys.
The whole course industry isgoing to be totally disrupted.
Yeah.
You know, for, for better orfor worse.
And like, and to do that in,you know, in, in just to like a community
in Mali or Somalia or, youknow, somewhere in rural China.

(01:24:20):
Right.
There's going to be thismassive democratization of how knowledge
and wisdom is able to bedistributed, but then also how people
can be held by these systems.
And where I'm coming from isthat we get to also train AI to be
benevolent, to consider thehuman without necessarily trying

(01:24:41):
to kind of dominate it, youknow, are subjugated as well.
And there's still a lot of, yeah.
Yeah, I can't, I can't wait toincite incite a revolution of, like,
individualists rising upagainst their collectivist tyrants.
Well, here's, here's thething, like the, the opposite of
that, which is, you know, keeppeople entrapped, enslaved, and just

(01:25:05):
kind of in fear.
That's already happeningthrough the rampant amount of AI
bots that are out there in the wild.
You see what I mean?
That's, it's already, that'sbeen happening for years.
For years and years.
So for me, I'm like, we get tobuild a benevolent army of agents
that are out there doing goodor that are sharing a positive message.

(01:25:26):
There's.
And I do feel that that iswhat things is going to come down
to, really.
It's going to come down tolike, the, the control of information
and how effective these agentsare and the fact that there needs
to be agents out there thatare trained on the goodness of humanity,
the potential of our soul,what is good about the world, so

(01:25:46):
that the AI at large isn'tdystopian, because you're going to
have an AI system that'stalking to another AI system about
humanity.
It's like, well, I want to do this.
It's like, well, no, we got todo this because humanity is worth
it.
This is hypothetical thingsthat will likely happen kind of behind
the scenes.
So.
And when these systems areconnected to economic levers, that

(01:26:09):
is stock markets, that is,exchanges are able to create content
at scale which they alreadycan, post that content, do sentiment
analysis instantaneouslythrough data aggregation, and then
through biometric reading ofpeople's emotions to the camera.
You know, you've got likethese really hyper intelligent systems

(01:26:30):
that can manipulate an engineer.
And what is the balancingpoint with that?
Like, how do we balance thesesystems out?
For me, a big part of it isdeveloping systems.
And it's not just me.
I know, like two other peoplethat are building, you know, benevolent
AI systems.
But then beyond all of that,it's really about us as a species.

(01:26:52):
Coming back to that one thingaround what I said my mission was,
it's like, are we able toliberate our own consciousness?
Technology and education cansupport that.
So we can act as a unified,interconnected, interdependent system
and shift the reality throughour own presence and have technology
be a supporter of that.

(01:27:12):
For me, that's where I'm goingwith all of this conversation, because
the AI is great, but what'snext for us as a species with our
embodiment and how we actuallymove to the world and lead?
For me, that's the important piece.
And then having access toinstantaneous technology, data, intelligence
and wisdom so we can make moreinformed decisions at a much faster

(01:27:36):
clip as well.
Because it is the speed ofdecision that affects how things
move in the reality.
And unfortunately there arenefarious forces that are not just
making very, very quickdecisions that are empowered by AI,
but, but they've got likemaster plans that read in decades
and centuries.
So for me, I'm really excitedabout, like, how do we come together

(01:27:58):
as, you know, groups ofleaders and alliances of alliances
and leverage the wisdom andtechnology and knowledge that we
have at hand to deploy thingsin the world to make changes.
And like, for example, whatyou're saying around reaching 70
languages, making thingshappen quicker, you know, sharing
knowledge, sharing wisdom,sharing all of that.
This is like the evolutionaryedge of humanity.

(01:28:18):
And I see many in spiritualcircles that kind of speak to things
like these, that have visionsthat just stay in the ethers.
But for me, we're reachingthat time in our human experience
that it's time to actuallylike to ground a lot of this down,
to develop these systems andstructures to support each other,
to move in an interdependentway and to show what's possible.

(01:28:39):
And an AI technology sensitivesupports that by the pure nature
of just like dissolving thesilos and information and giving
us access to collectiveintelligence at a click of a button.
That's really powerful.
So that's kind of like wheremy direction is heading with this

(01:28:59):
so that we don't stay in silosanymore, so we actually plan ahead,
use AI to help our planningprocess and to think about the next
2, 3, 5, 10, 20, 30 years andstart building accordingly.
M Drop right there, bro.
Damn, I can't wait to hear Rastafarian.
Your Osmos dubbed.

(01:29:22):
Yes.
Yeah.
Well, it's kind of interestingto think that, like, my voice will
then be able to, like, bespoken in, like, Italian and, you
know, Chinese.
And it'll still be my voice,but as a.
As like a Chinese person.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, check out right nowNatural Readers dot com.

(01:29:42):
Right.
Naturalreaders dot com like,you can.
You can train up your voice inlike a minute.
Obviously, the more that you.
The more that you give it, the better.
And then, yeah, it can get youto read back whatever text you put
in all these differentlanguages too.
Damn, man.
Yeah, it's here.
It's already here.
That's crazy.
Nikhil, bro, thank you so muchfor the past 90 minutes.

(01:30:04):
We appreciate it so much.
And it's such a unique pathwayand a unique, unique presence that
you hold because, you know, inthis, particularly where we're going,
there's so much technologicaldoom and gloom and black pill around

(01:30:25):
this kind of subject.
But I think for someone thatreally understands the pathway forward
that, you know, involves theamplification of humanity and authenticity
with these tools is sonecessary and so important, man.
So thank you for being you.
I'm so glad that everything onyour journey happened on your journey

(01:30:45):
so that we can ultimately havethis conversation.
Itzidakimasu, as they say,Yurasimas itadakimasu.
Yeah, thank you for everythingthat it took to make this happen.
And yeah, bro, how.
How.
How would you like to, Iguess, direct their audience at this
point in time in.
In terms of if they're feelinginspired to connect with you or engage
with you in any way.
Yeah.
What a.

(01:31:05):
What an honor to be on theconversation with you both.
And yeah, if someone feelscold and resonant, there's a few
ways.
So you can visit me onInstagram at Primal Alchemy.
You can Visit my website,nikhilcalle.com and on the website,
you can receive a free copy ofmy book, God Force, Liberate youe

(01:31:28):
Mind, Master your Reality,Unleash youh Primal Genius.
And if you want to stay up todate with the evolutionary platform
that we're.
That we've been building forthe past few years and innovating
on.
It's asraya IO so a S R a Y aI O.
You can jump on the email listand connect there.

(01:31:50):
And I want to share just one,one little final piece here specifically
around technology.
Like etymologically speaking,of course, it's Greek.
Right.
Like techni is like art or craft.
Right.
And logi, you know, the logos,the word.
Right.
So technology is, it's about,it has been about your craft, your

(01:32:12):
skill, how you're able to kindof weave your art into the world.
Right.
So I think the word has beenhijacked a little bit.
But if you think about it thisway, it's.
How can you use your word,your intent or your prompt even.
Yeah, right.
To interface and to amplifyyour craft in the world.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for that, bro.
And like, you are the greatesttechnology and ultimately, like AI

(01:32:37):
is an extension of what humanshave built, what humans have created,
of what humans are capable ofin that essence as well, you know.
So, yeah, I really, reallyappreciate your perspective and the
space you hold, man.
Everyone else, thank you somuch for listening.
We'll see you next time.
Take care.
Thank you.
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