Ep 247 - Ola Wolny | Are We Living in a Spiritual Prison? - Here For The Truth

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Ola.
Can you just pronounce yourlast name for me quickly?
Yeah.
Okay.
English pronunciation, it'sall good.
I got you.
I'm glad, I'm glad I asked.
Yeah.
You wouldn't say that.
We got Ola.
We got Ola Walnut with us today.
That's fine.
You know, I, it's, it's.

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Yeah, I've heard it a million times.
It's not a problem.
It's like, yeah, it's the,it's the, it's the Eastern European
pronunciation.
No problem.
You can make it American.
No worries.
No worries.
All right.
Ola Volne is a woman who walksthe path of old feminine wisdom and
alchemy, deeply rooted in hercultural background and the teachings
she has encountered throughouther life.

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She doesn't consider herself aseeker or a researcher, terms she
sees as overly left brainedand ultimately misleading.
Through her work, Ola invitesothers into a collapsed field, a
void where false narratives,illusions, and the architecture of
the matrix, the dissolve.
She exposes these constructsand helps to erode their grip on
our perception.
She's also a storyteller, avoice for forgotten history, still

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alive in folklore, mythology,indigenous accounts and ancient texts.
For the past eight years, Olahas lived in the Arctic where it
was the spirit of the landitself that guided and initiated
her revealing deep mysteriesthat she later found echoed in ancient
texts and forbidden doctrines.
Ola, thank you so much forbeing here for the truth.

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Thank you so much for having me.
My pleasure.
Looking forward to this tonight.
Yeah, absolutely.
No, it's, it's a pleasure tohave you here and to host you, definitely.
One way we always like tobegin these conversations with first
time guests is we want to divedeep into your personal journey,
your personal hero story.
What was kind of thetrajectory of things that led to
you, I guess, coming into theunderstanding and the interests that

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you have today.
Oh, wow.
I, well, I'm afraid that it'snot going to be probably immensely
interesting.
I don't really havespectacular journey to, to take you
on.
I think that which is, whichis maybe in a way promising because

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you see, I'm not going to, I'mnot going to give an account of,
you know, I've been like thisforever and, and it's so special.
No, I actually was brainwashedinto the matrix pretty much since
I was a child.
I, I think, I think it'salmost like I had two worlds kind
of walking together, you know,one that was a little bit sort of

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on the edge, you know, lookingacross the veil, but the other was
Very much rooted in, in thissort of false construct.
And I mean, school education,you know, kind of brainwashing about
prestige status.
I come from Eastern Europe, soyou, I don't know if you guys are
aware, but, you know, I, I'm achild of the early 80s, so we carry

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a lot of the sort ofinferiority complex, I would say,
as a sort of generation, asthe, as the whole population.
So, so, you know, we, we getvery much programmed into success,
prestige, status, you know,making, becoming something, making
something out of yourself.

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So that was pretty much myfocus in, I would say, probably the
first half of my life witheducation, you know, very heavy education
and, and sort of a very strongpressure because my mom was actually
the teacher at the school thatI was attending.
So, you know, I had to be topnotch at everything and I couldn't
sneeze without the wholeschool knowing.
So, yeah, it's not, not,wasn't great.

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But, you know, it kind ofpushes you even more to be very much,
I would say, immersed into thesystem, not in a fun way.
So I, I would say that, youknow, somehow I, I managed to sort
of get out of that construct.
I don't even know how and why.
I feel to this day that in away I was ripped out of it.

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I was kicked out of it.
I, I don't think I, I should,I should sort of be grateful to myself
so much because I think that,you know, given my journey, I, I
came here eight years ago.
That was part of my oil andgas path at the time because I, I
worked in oil and gas formany, many years and it was just
a progression to my career,you know, to, to come here and here

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is pretty much where I gotkicked out, out of that whole world.
And I, I say kicked outbecause this is pretty much how it
happened.
So I just kind of had nochoice but at some point embrace
a totally different path.
And, and, and it wasn't, itwasn't, it wasn't sort of out of
lack of choice, you know, thatI, that I started walking this.

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But it was literally cominghere was like a cat to, to be able
to come out of the closet, ifyou know what I mean, you know, on
that other stuff, on that kindof more esoteric stuff, because of
course, when you, when you are.
I was, I was trained inengineering and I was working very
much in, in the operations.
Very much kind of, you know,grounded left brain and, and very

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much kind of logicalanalytical aspects that, that were
praised and rewarded and sought.
And here I am suddenly youknow, pulling out of all that and,
and stepping into totallydifferent type of inquiry and spiritual
aspects and, and I would saynot, not really in a new age way,

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but in a, in a kind of verymuch indigenous way in a, in a sense
because being here exposed meto very authentic, grounded, rooted
in deep tradition of this landand this geography, history, traditions,
culture, new information,certain aspects that I, I, I started

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later putting together.
And this is pretty much how,how my journey kind of, kind of happened.
And then you know, of course Ithink the last five years have been
pretty, pretty significant forall of us.
So, so that would haveprobably pushed me, you know, to
the, to the next level where Ifeel like perhaps I was kind of truly

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pushed and, and felt perhapscalled to stop being silent.
So, so to kind of come out ofhiding and start sharing some of
it with, with people.
So this is pretty much what happens.
Yeah.
So for the, for those thatdon't know, you're living in the
north of Norway right now, inthe Arctic Circle, right?

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That's right, yeah.
So what inspired that move andalso what was it that led you to
be inspired to researchesotericism, alchemy, gnosticism,
things, things like that?
Well, you see, so, so my, mybackground is oil and gas with even
early, very early days in, intelecoms, but very much sort of engineering

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that kind of left brain side.
I, I have master's degree in,in, in this stuff, you know, from,
from the uk.
I used to work in the UK andthat was my, that was the beginning
of my several years.
I got transferred to Norway,to the south of Norway and I spent
another sort of five, sixyears down there and within that

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time you guys might have notremember, but sort of 2012, 2014,
2016, that was this whole oiland gas collapse at the time.
So a lot of, at least inEurope, so a lot of, a lot of companies
were going throughrestructuring, etc.
And at the time my job wasgoing back to the uk so I, I kind

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of had a choice either eitherI'm going back or I'm moving forward.
So I've decided I didn't atthat point.
I, I had been living in Norwayfor five years, so I didn't really
want to go back and I, I justdecided to look for other opportunities.
And as it happened at the timeopportunity presented itself here
up north, where I am right now.
So I moved up here for oil andgas job.

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It was in that context, it hadnothing to do with any of the esoteric
pursuits at the time.
You Know, I was, I wasalready, I would say, flirting, you
know, that with that spacethrough my personal aspects, but
also through just being purelykind of drawn to certain things.
But it was definitely notnavigating my experience at the time.

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And so, so that's why I'msaying I feel like I've been lured
up here, you know, in a, in asort of funny way.
So, so, and because, and thereason I'm saying that it's, it's,
it's really peculiar isbecause pretty much everything collapsed
the minute I set foot up here.
So, so my whole oil and gascontext just dismantled as I came

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here.
My job, you know, that, thatkind of didn't work out exactly the
way I thought it would.
And it sent me on a journeyof, you know, who am I if not my
job title?
Who am I if not that role thatI was serving and that I was known
for, because I was actuallyquite lucky to, to be able to, to

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make it a little bit up.
Well, that's what I thought, right?
The Pyram.
You want to climb the ladder.
That's, that's what we aretaught and, and trained and programmed
to do.
So that's what I was doing atthe time and I called it success
until a point when I realizedthat it doesn't matter anything,
right?
It's, it's a matrix thing.
So that's, that's, that's howthat happened, that this is how I

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found myself here.
And it was at that very momentwhen I got kicked out.
In a, in a sense by thecircumstances, but by situation,
out of that whole oil and gasmatrix kind of career, etc.
Construct, I, I very much hadalmost no choice but to, you know,

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I had to rebuild myselfbecause my whole identity was pretty
much built around that joband, you know, that career and all
that.
This is why I mentioned thiscontext of coming from Eastern Europe.
This is what we're trainedfor, you know, because we have, we
have roots.
We are rooted in thisinferiority complex.
Perhaps not so much now, butlike I say, you know, I, I was born

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in 1982.
That was, that was the timewhen we had martial law in Poland.
So all that kind ofcommunistic context, you know, we
were a little bit behind thecurtain, behind the veil there.
So we had to very much, yeah,I think, fight our demons in a way,

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that kind of systemprogramming from just the geography
context.
And so, yeah, it was a lot ofthings to face when I found myself
in that situation here.
And, and that sent me on thatkind of more esoteric journey.
And you see, you, you read mybio, which might perhaps sound a
little bit too mystical tosome or kind of borderline a little

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bit too much.
But, but you see, I, I don'tthink I have ever had such a authentic
experience with something soreal in that spiritual context as
I've had here, here at northhere in Norway.
Because you see, there's no,there's no spiritual circles here.

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There's no kind of new agehere per se.
Everything that I'm talkingabout is literally living in people
here.
It's living in the land.
There are also indigenouspeople or the, the kind of, the people
of the, of the north, the Sami people.
This is not just Norway.
It's also Sweden and Finlandand a little, a little bit of Russia.

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So, so there is a lot ofbeautiful teachings in their culture
that I've been also exposed toover, over time.
And, and that's, you know, my,my own personal experience and the,
the, the path that I kind ofhad to take to even regain myself.

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I get, you know, you know,find myself again that was.
Connect with these teachingsand to get a lot of, I don't want
to even say it, inspiration.
I think it was literally, itwas a tower moment.
It was a collapse, you know,collapse of the false structures.
And in that, in that environment.

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Yeah, I, I probably theengineer still worked in the background.
I needed answers.
You know, I, I like things tomake sense.
I'm not about the fluff.
I'm about the, you know, showme the real deal.
So, so this is, this is, thisis the journey I've been I on and
because probably I am so stillto a degree, you know, structure

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driven system driven in a, ina, in a sense how the architecture.
I needed to understand things.
So this is where astrologycame in.
This is when numerology came in.
So I think I kind of a lot of,there was a lot of back door in there.
But I know very well from thebeginning that I, I felt there's

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something off about the wholeastrology, numerology.
As in, as in, you know, itshouldn't be like that.
I don't want mathematics todecide for me and my, my fate, you
know, something's off.
So, so it was, it was thiswhole unraveling, it was path of
a lot of unraveling,dismantling, collapsing.
A lot of the times, you know,my own discoveries would have been

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later shuttered.
And here I am now, you know,kind of every, every, at every gate
you take off some clothes,right, which is precisely the, the
journey that I often refer to.
The journey to the underworld.
Amazing.
God, there's so much in thereI want to like kind of pull out and
talk about.
Well, two things that poppedinto my head.

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One is I love hearing you talkabout how the people up there just
live.
Yeah.
Quote unquote spiritual,spiritually like live these values
because in our worldespecially I live in the Los Angeles
area and then, you know, wesee the rise of New Ageism.
I found personally the peoplethat I consider the most centered

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and the most present and themost connected are the ones that
are surrounded by nature andthey have an intimate relationship
to nature.
They're not sitting theregoing to moon circles every, every
month.
And yes, I just love that yousaid that because I just feel like
we've lost that to some degree.
You know, the deep connectionto wisdom from the past because people

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just lived it.
You know.
The other thing I wanted toget into, and we'll see where this
conversation goes, butengineering is pretty much a male
dominated world.
Is that correct to some degree or.
No?
I, I would, I would say, youknow, I, probably because I have
been in that environment inoil and gas.

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I've seen women and men,especially in Norway, especially
in Norway because Norway isvery sort of equal in, in many, in
many aspects.
So I have seen a lot of womenin this engineering field, traditional
field.
But I, I see where you comingfrom and I would absolutely agree
that it's, it's probably quitea male dominated and, and probably

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quite masculine, you know, ina sense of how you process things.
I, I'm not saying that womenare not capable of that, but I, I
do, I do agree that it's, youknow, it's a lot of analysis, kind
of logical aspects which Ithink women are perfect as, but it's
not, it's not the kind ofnatural choice, probably.
Yes, agree.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
I was just curious like howthat impacts your work now and those

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experiences there, like thepros and cons of that and you can
get into later if you want.
But those were things thatjust popped into my head.
No, and I, I think, to behonest with you, I think it's, it's,
it's, it's quite funny that I,I have that background because I
know that it's not, it's notthe most usual background.
I think you find a lot offluff in this field right when.
I'm sorry, but that's the truth.
When women show up, you know,there's a lot of.

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Yeah, not that Much substance, always.
Right.
And, and I, and I think thatthe background kind of makes me cut
through the nonsense, which iswhat I did.
I'm known for that.
Literally I struggled inEngland, you know, because I would
be too direct for their liking.
So they, I had to adopt alittle bit.

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But I, I think, I think thatthe engineering approach, you know,
right now and, and, and forthe past many, well, several years,
it's, it allowed me to be ableto understand and explain pretty
complex perhaps things in a,in a language that's, that's quite,

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quite clear and understandable.
So, so that's, that, that's mymajor takeaway.
And I, and I difficult to takeoff that engineering lens.
And I don't think I should bealways necessarily taking it off
because I think that in thecurrent world people are very much
about understanding things.

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You know, there's too muchnonsense out there.
So, so things need to makesense to a degree.
So I think there is a lot ofvalue in being able to actually explain
and sort of break things downinto the.
Yeah.
Atoms even further.
Yeah, well, I mean, I guesslet's kind of dive a little bit into
the crux of things here.

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You obviously have quiteunique and unusual take on the system
of astrology, its purpose, itsreason for existence.
So where do we kind of startunpicking your perspective on astrology?
That's a good point.
And I think it's, I think it'svery important that I do explain

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the reason behind it becauseas you've noticed, astrology in the
mainstream, understanding orconcept is used as a tool of growth
and it's kind of hijacked in asense that there's plenty of people

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that have, have no idea whatastrology truly is about.
And I'm not talking about theinterpretations within astrology.
That's another level.
Yeah, that's another level.
We're not going to be evengoing into that because that's irrelevant
right now.
But what astrology represents,that's the issue because astrology
is considered quite abenevolent tool or perhaps concept

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in a sense that there is anevolutionary aspect to it that this
is the way we can grow.
And I think the whole concept,the whole concept around it is, is
not only false, but it's dangerous.
So, so you see, my, I wouldsay that probably astrology, numerology

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would be one of those thingsthat I was into since I was a child.
And that's absolutely.
That, that goes back a long,long way.
But, and I would, and I would,you know, I would of course study
it.
From all sorts of different angles.
But I always felt that thereis something inherently wrong about

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the idea that you can collapsesomeone's life, someone's future
into a mathematical function.
Because that's effectivelywhat we're talking about, right?
I mean, this is a language ofsymbols, mathematics, language of
symbols.
So, so the fact that you can,you can somehow track in a mathematical

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way with a, with precisionsomeone's choices, someone's experiences,
someone's traumas, someone's future.
So why, where is it written?
And, and if, and if it'swritten, even if it's written and
if you can trace it, why isn'tit, why isn't it positive?

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Why is it, why is it not only positive?
So, so the presence of thenegative aspects within our experience
was that I would say, youknow, the, the sort of the launchpad
for me to be able to divedeeper into.
Something's not right.
Something's not right.
And when you, when you marrythat with studying the ancient text,

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especially through theGnosticism, Hermetic texts, but,
but anything, the Bibleitself, right, there's plenty, there's
abundance of texts.
The, the Mesopotamian, theSumerian text, the, the mythology,
for example, the Norsemythology, beautiful, abundant in,
in content that preciselyexplains what we are dealing with.

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And it is not a benevolent force.
So, so mythologies, and theyare consistent across the board,
across geographies arereferring to a construct above us
created by forces that areabsolutely not looking out for our
greatest good, quite parasitic forces.

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So echoing the messages ofDavid Icke here, but not only.
Plenty of people talk about itout there.
A construct in which ouremotional states, our energy is being
harvested and there is aliterally a construct that is very,
very advanced technolog thathas been put up above us whereby,

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you know, this is, this is,this is where this whole notion of
permanent comes from.
Permanence is just a part ofit, right?
It's just a part of that whole construct.
Because the construct as it happens.
What, how does it work?
I don't exactly know.
The technology is very advanced.
But we do know that it kind ofplaces a lens on the energy of constellations,

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the whole constellations up inthe air, up in the sky or however
that really looks, the planetsor whatever they really are.
But there is some kind of lensapplied which filters the energy
and it sends it across to the,to us as the receivers, as the, as

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the kind of ones that arebeing targeted for this energy harvesting
in a certain way, whichunfortunately dictates our experience
here.
And that the mechanics of thatcan be interpreted using astrology,
numerology and many othersystems which probably effectively

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are still rooted back inastrology numerology.
There are systems based on thetarot, for example, but they are
falling back on the numerologyof the date of birth, etc or the
name.
So, so, so there is a code.
Literally it's a little bitlike a computer, right?
The, there's a way tocommunicate with a computer.

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You, you kind of, you can ask,you can send commands and, and it
answers, gives you, it givesyou answers.
But because there's a systemin place, there's a system, there's
a code, there is amathematical representation of something
that's being done here.
And because these parasiticbeings that are behind creating this

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architecture happens to bevery much dependent on technology,
very hard, very advancedtechnology, of course they are using
codes.
So of course there's going tobe an element of sort of mathematical
coding in it.

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That's probably would be theway into astrology from my side,
from my way.
How did you get to theconclusion that there is a firmament?
How do you know?
I've never been up there.
Sure.
That's my only question.
Yeah, well, the presence ofpermanent is described in every cosmology

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of every culture.
I'm not just talking theancient texts.
I'm talking the ancient cultures.
I'm talking the, the Maya, the Inca.
I'm talking the cultures in India.
I'm talking Navajo people, right?
The Hopi for example.
All of them in theircosmology, in their mythology, in

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their, in their legends,referring to, to a structure above
us.
So that the whole cosmologyas, as they explain.
And, and then you find thatacross the board, you find that here
in the Norse mythology, you,you find the same, the same sort
of notion repeated, right?
In the Bible, for example, theway the world was created, the firman

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and is mentioned there.
But that's not the only place, right?
You, you go to, to Egypt andyou see the goddess Nut, right?
Not Nut, extended as the, asthe sky.
That's the permanent.
You, you see that through theancient text, you see that very,
very strongly.
It's, it's literally, it's,it's named in the Gnostic text, it's

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named in Pistis Sophia, for example.
Pistis Sophia, the Gnostictext, Sophia explains the exact architecture
above us.
So it, it, not only, it's notonly the, the permanent, but it also
explains the zodiacmechanisms, it kind the, the levels
and, and how that works, how,how is that all organized.

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So, so, you know, as I, as Ialways say when you, when you know
what you're looking for andyou, you kind of know how to interpret
these texts.
And mind you, we're notlooking for some heavy symbology.
We're not looking for alanguage that is very sort of convoluted.
No, not at all.

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It's pretty much, I would say,the same level of clarity as you
get in the Bible.
Is there any information inthese texts that say how this was
created?
Because, and also, what isthis place?
Because, you know, in today'sworld we have so much back and forth
on what the shape of the earthis, which I tend to agree with you.
I've heard you say this before.
I don't really, I personallydon't care about the specifics of

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it.
I think it's a curiousinvestigation and people are afraid
to go down that, that.
But like, how was somethinglike this created?
Yeah, and what was here before?
Right.
So, so I think, I think thatwe have to sort of distinguish two
aspects here.
First of all, the creation ofthis place, as it is referred to

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in a lot of texts such as theBible does not actually refer to
the original creation of this place.
The Bible and a lot ofmythologies refer to creation.
Remember that the, the ancienttext, the, the, a lot of scriptures,
they've been tampered with,they've been tampered with to reflect

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the accepted history by thosethat want to write that history.
Right.
So the history is written bythe winners, not by the losers.
So, so, so we, we know apretty biased version, right?
As in, as in, you almost needto know, to be able to read those
texts so that you know whatyou're navigating through.
So, so we are dealing with twodifferent, I would say sort of context

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here.
One, one is referring tocreation, but that's this, that's,
that's not a creation.
This is referring to an eventwhere these parasites, these beings
impose their structure hereand they called it creation of the
world.
This is, this is preciselywhat's described in the Bible.
For example, this is what'sdescribed in the Gnostic texts.

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In, in, for example, PC Sophiadescribes the, the whole structure.
This is not the originalstructure of this realm or this is
not, this is not what was here before.
And then we have this other aspect.
What was it before?
How, you know, how did this happen?
And the Sumerian tablets,which is of course the, the translation

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of these tablets is, is one ofthe biggest challenge in, in, in,
in, in history and, and sortof trying to, to decipher what, what
really happened.
But, but the galactic storiestalk about this, this place being
created being kind of very special.
This was one of the lastlandings after the galactic wars.

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As in what when we look up inthe sky and not named because they
really have these shapes.
They are named because they'retrying to tell a story and they're
trying to tell a story of whathappened before.
So, so for example, you know,the, the fact that we have one constellation

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sort of being invaded andthat's been represented in mythology.
The, the story is that we as,as in the Earth was created as the
sort of, of final solace orescape place following these galactic

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wars.
And so the beings that camehere and in the end created the permanent
and these structures.
They have been fighting thesegalactic wars up there and everywhere
else earlier.
So, so you might be thinking,you know, do I think there are planets
and all that?

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You know what?
I don't think we have thecapacity perhaps to perceive or understand
what is in there.
What I absolutely do believeis that you need a portal to enter
reality here.
As in you don't just take aspaceship and you land here from
somewhere.
No, I know that there areportals, for example.
You know, if you, if youreally want to dig into why there

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were wars in Iraq, why thereis always conflict around Jerusalem
and you know, the Gaza Strip, right.
That, that area, why there isalways an issue there.
Why Saddam Hussein.
Right.
What were they trying to doand why they were truly invaded by
Americans.
Get nothing to do even withoil, had nothing to do with terrorism.

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Nothing of that kind.
That was just a cover up story.
But what's really underneath there?
There are.
They had access to certain technology.
They had access to portals.
They had access to, to portalswhich were the way in and out of
this realm of this reality.
So, so how do you travel across?
Well, you don't take a, youdon't just take a spaceship and you

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just go.
You know how they show us onsci fi movies?
You, you, you kind of need anentry and exit point.
So, so, so.
And perhaps it is above us ina, in a way, but it is not as in
you take a journey for, youknow, hundreds of years.
No.
So, so again we're kind ofdealing with two, two different contexts

(31:41):
here.
And say this.
I, I would say that, you know,the best, the best thing to know,
to understand what happened here.
Look to Avatar, the firstmovie, the first Avatar movie.
It's not a, it's not, it's nota, it's not a sci fi movie.
It's a documentary of coursethey flipped the, you know, the roles,

(32:02):
right?
So we have the humansattacking the, the blue people.
But if you really want to knowwhat this place was, this is why
we have the petrified trees.
Why, why do we have giantpetrified trees?
Because they've been cut down.
Why do we, why do we have, youknow, a place that clearly shows
remnants of totally differentcivilizations that was here and here

(32:25):
we are picking up the pieces.
Right?
So, so okay, yeah, let's,let's kind of, I guess double click
on a few points here.
Who, who are these parasiticbeings and why did they come and
I guess shift and transformand create this construct that we,

(32:46):
we, that you're claiming wenow live in?
I guess.
And are they trapped here too?
Yeah.
Are they trapped here as well?
I'm curious.
So, so again, a few, fewthings to unpack.
Who are they?
Well, they are, there's ahierarchy to them, right?
We're not dealing with onesort of set of beings, we're dealing

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with different types of beings.
According to the Sumeriantablet, we are dealing with intruders
from the Draco constellation.
So, so the Draco's, the Reptilians.
Yeah.
In that, in that language,that's what we call them.
What do we call them indifferent geographies?
Well, we could call them godsin different geographies in different

(33:31):
mythologies we call them gods,but these are the same beings.
So whether we call them thegods of the Norse mythology.
Right, right, that's the same beings.
Because, because think about it.
In every mythology we kind ofhave two fractions that are usually
fighting each other.
So in the Norse mythology, wehave the, the gods and we have the

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giants, the Jotun in, in theHindu, we have the gods and we have
the demons.
We have the Asuras in Sumerianmythology or in Sumerian history,
right, we have, we have theAnunnaki, but we have the males,
we have the Anu Enlil Mardukand we have Tiamat fighting Tiamat.

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So, so there are those twosort of forces always fighting.
And, and, and, and also whenyou, when you travel to Egypt or
to any of the sites, you startseeing the physicality of them, right?
Those statues are still there.
They are much bigger than us.
Not all of them are literallyphysically looking like the Reptilians

(34:42):
that we can imagine.
But because there aredifferent races, there are different
types that were involved there.
Sumerian tablets described that.
So, so the, they were theones, they were the aggressors once
upon a time who started thegalactic Wars.
And the, the point behind it,according to the, the old alchemical

(35:03):
teachings, was that the malesin those races at some point decided
to separate or, or that was the.
That was the result,separation from their females because
they wanted to pursue thatpath of domination, hegemony, sort
of aggression.
They wanted, they wanted tostart creating their own worlds.

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And the females, the females,when they saw that, they said, no,
no, we're not going toparticipate in that.
This is, this is a game.
Life, females always arestanding on the side of life.
This is against life.
We're not going to participatein that.
So because males do not havethe ability to create, right?
Woman is the one who births.
Woman is the one whomaterializes things into reality.

(35:49):
A concept once upon a time,very well understood.
But these days, people don'teven know.
Everything has been collapsedto a very narrow band.
And, and people don't even,don't even understand how, how this
used to you.
How this used to be.
So, so the males knew that forthem, in order to pursue that plan,

(36:10):
they had to find females tocreate so that they could create
through them.
This is what, this is the,this is the genesis, if you like,
of the galactic war.
So they were chasing, theywere, they were chasing after the
females from the Pleiades, Sothe Taurus constellation.
They were chasing afterSirius, after Lyra, after different

(36:35):
constellations.
This is what we know today asthe mythology of the sky.
And then after these wars sortof took their time.
The females were, according tothe stories, they escaped and created
the Earth.
So they wanted to escape.
And this is why the Earth iskind of quite special, because this

(36:57):
is the last landing.
This is the, this is the lastplace of solace.
They came here and theycreated this place.
And I, and mind you, I don'tknow if it's flat, if it's round.
I don't know.
I don't know even where it isin terms of orientation to the rest
of the cosmos.
I don't know whether, whetherwe are in some kind of cosmos or
what does it look like?

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I don't, I don't think it'sthat necessary.
Of course, we can beinterested and we can inquire, but
I don't think it's thatnecessary to, to, to, you know, the
answer would change so much.
I, I think we know that we've been.
That's good enough.
But this, this realm wascreated and then these parasites

(37:39):
sort of track down or, ortrace down the, the females, the,
the essence, that essence of,of feminine, creative force down
to, to this realm.
And this is where, yeah, the,the war sort of played out further.
So that was the context.

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This is what we, as the, forexample, the Maduk against the Tiamat,
right?
This female, the, the femalecreative force.
And not just force, it's abeing against her own kind even.
And then the males kind of overtake.

(38:21):
So, so, so the, the permanentand, and that whole bubble, as I
call it, because I, I, I quitesee it as like, like a capsule.
Like we have been, been kindof, you know, captured into a capsule.
We're living under the dome.
We're living inside of somekind of chamber.

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Why?
Well, because, because this ishow they can run their plan.
This is the only way in whichthey can create their own reality
and feed off of it.
In that process, they fully.
What does it mean todisconnect from the feminine?
It means unfortunately, that,that over time they have been sort
of falling deeper and deeperinto these low vibrational energies.

(39:06):
And, and we know that, right?
All they feed off is fear, isdepression, is rage, anger, lowest
vibrational content.
And they need to keepproducing that.
This needs to be produced.
This world is clearly not fullof amazing sort of vibrations.

(39:28):
It is, it is, it is full of suffering.
There's plenty of, you know,look at us, right?
Just because we are moreconscious doesn't mean that it's
so much better for us, right?
It's, it's still the grind.
It's.
You have to keep running.
You have to be the hamster onthe wheel.
Don't get any time to thinkabout yourself.
And there is the fear that ifyou don't do that, then you're gonna
lose your, your house, you'regonna lose all your means to, to

(39:51):
live with that creates acertain environment.
It creates, creates everythingthat it needs to, creates the conditions
for fear and low vibrationalemotions, right?
Especially for those who aretotally unaware.
They just think that, well,life is hard, right?
Life is tough.
Why do we have so much trauma?
Why do we have all thesedifficult childhoods, right?
Everybody with a difficultchildhood, everybody had something

(40:14):
that they have to overcome asthey, as they grow up.
None of that is an accident.
Not, that's by design.
Everything here is by design.
Literally that.
Sue, because that's the fool food.
Lush, right?
That's the, that's the food.
So, so this is, this is whythey created this like a farm, right?
Like Eden, the farm.

(40:35):
But is it, is it possible likeyou're referencing the firmament,
references across differentancient cultures and texts.
But is it possible they werejust referencing the Sky.
They were just referencing theband of stars.
Like how is it so easy to drawthe conclusion that it is a physical
dome that we're encapsulated within?
Like we know that, that theyused imagery to express themselves

(40:56):
in various ways.
When we see these, these arcsor these beings or these gods being
a firmament type shape, likeis it not possible that we're just
referring to the sky?
I mean, you know, but what isthe sky and what is the dome, right?
I, I, I don't really care howwe call it.
I just, I just see.
But I mean, if it's a sky,then we're not imprisoned, we're

(41:18):
not encapsulated.
If it is a giant, just the skythat they were pointing towards with
some kind of symbology.
I don't think we'renecessarily dealing with a physical,
you know, I don't think it'srelevant whether it's physical, whether
it's glass, whether it's, youknow, steel or whether it's a step
in dimensions.
I don't think that's, that'sreally the, the sort of key here.

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I don't think it changes thefact that there is a mechanism of
control over us, us which we,which we see the, the very works
of, but we also know about itbecause the story of that is coded
not just in mythology andancient texts, it's called it in
legends, it's coded in verbal,in oral tradition, right?

(42:00):
It's, it's coded in fairy tales.
So, so how is it possible thatyou know, all that contains not only
a story that you know, there'sa sky and it's nice, but it contains
a, a much deeper story that,that unfortunately is, is not very

(42:21):
benevolent.
Right.
It contains references to, andit's consistent, it's consistent
across the board thatsomething is happening.
And, and then on top of that,as I always say, look at, look at
your life, not just your, lookat, across the board, right?
Look at this world.
If, if everything is just sorandom, then why aren't we living

(42:44):
a great life?
How many of us want a bad life?
Clearly there is somebody thatbenefits from us constantly living
in a low vibrational state.
So when you marry all thattogether and including when you,
when you, you know, marry thatwith the indigenous cultures, prophecies

(43:06):
or, or, or sort of storiesabout this world and what it is,
everything is very consistentand everything is talking the same
language, the same story.
So this is how we know.
Yeah, well, I mean, I'm goingto engage a little bit, I guess.
I personally feel Like, I livea great life.
I think your ass must feel thesame way.

(43:27):
I think much of our audiencedoes as well.
That's not to negate thatthere's definitely suffering that
exists.
But at what point does thisdiminish human responsibility and
the choices that we make interms of the life that we, we end
up living and experiencing?
Sure, I could have taken alife of being on a hamster wheel
never having time to be selfaware or to observe myself and to
think deeper, to contemplate deeper.

(43:47):
But I made certain choices inmy life which kind of allowed me
to have the space to do so.
So I'm just curious wherehuman personal responsibility falls
into this paradigm for you.
It doesn't, it doesn'tabsolutely strip humans of responsibility.
You know, if anything, Ialways say that, that, you know,
we, we, we sort of tend toblame everything on the Matrix.

(44:09):
Matrix this, Matrix that.
But Matrix is not how, how doI say it?
I like to say Matrix is insideof us, not outside of us.
Right?
So, so, so it's not, it's notwhat they did to us.
Because what they did to us,even if they did to us, that was
long time ago.
Every single day, every singleone of us chooses to engage in that,

(44:31):
chooses to engage in, in thoseprograms, chooses to engage in that
kind of world.
So, and mind you, you know, Iknow what you mean that, you know,
you say you're living a greatlife and you know, I, I'm not, I'm
not having a bad life either.
But, but that's, that's kindof not, not the point that, you know,
we are able to navigate to,to, to a good degree.

(44:53):
Right.
I think that a lot of peoplewho starting to see something more,
you know, they, yeah, thereis, there is an element of, of becoming
more conscious and that hassome good consequences.
But there's plenty of people,you know, there's plenty of circumstances
which are just not accidental.

(45:13):
You know, if, if you, if youthink about it, where is the suffering
in this world coming from?
Why do we have wars?
We don't have wars becausepeople of one country decided to
go against people of another country.
Nobody decides that.
Yeah, that's not decided atthis level.
It's decided at a totallydifferent level.
And it's decided strategicallyfor certain reasons.

(45:35):
Why, you know, why do we havechildren that are being killed in
rituals?
Why do we, why does that even happen?
Right?
Where is the, where does it go?
What happens with that?
This is not, you know, are we,are we as humans?
Is that normal?
That, that's not normal.
This is not normal.
So, so where is all thatcoming from?

(45:57):
Right?
And when you look a little bitdeeper into that in a context of,
you know, this world, we couldall have a great life, but the law
is not even designed for thatto, to, to allow that to support
it.
Why not?
Why is the law not, you know,why is the, why do we even have money
that everybody needs to be chasing?

(46:20):
And I understand that, youknow, many of us might be a little
bit more, perhaps, I don'tknow, tuned in about how to, how
to, how to navigate with that,but there's plenty of people, majority
of the world are living in poverty.
Why is that?
Why is that, you know, if, iflife is so great and I'm not stripping

(46:40):
it from sort of personalresponsibility, but I'm just saying,
you know, I, I'm sure you'vebeen around the world to, to many
places.
Yeah.
And there are, there areplaces where people are disadvantaged.
Why, why, why can't there be,you know, abundance for everybody?

(47:01):
And I'm not talking utopia.
Everything is by design here.
Things are by design.
Things don't have to be theway they are.
Yeah.
I don't discount that there'sforces of control by any means whatsoever
and that there's interferenceand inter, and intervention.
And I'm kind of just havingthe discussion for the sake of the
discussion because I want toget as much of the juice out of this

(47:22):
as possible, for sure.
And it's like, what role does,I guess, the spiritual evolution
of humanity play in this?
Are we just at a stage ofhuman evolution where man is still
asleep?
In many ways there is so muchunconsciousness that pervades throughout
humanity and throughout the planet.

(47:43):
And, and is it, is it thepotential that the wars that we see
and the poverty and thesuffering is, can also just be an
emanation of that sleepinessof man, of that unconsciousness,
you know, just to, I guess,throw another factor in there potentially.
Well, you know, when you, whenyou look into history, right.

(48:04):
Over time, it wasn't the factthat we were uneducated or that we,
we didn't have, have sort ofcertain level of consciousness that,
that, that was responsible for poverty.
Because, because actuallyright now we have very advanced level
of, well, everything,technology, right, means of producing
things, etc, but the povertyis very, very high and very, very

(48:28):
common.
But back in the day whenpeople were actually living more
sort of closer to the land.
I'm not saying that they werevery rich, but I'm.
Because, because again, rich,rich and being Rich is a matrix concept,
right?
Rich as in What, I own 10yachts that I don't need.
It's that, that's not rich.
I'm talking about integrity, dignity.

(48:48):
Right, Dignity.
So, so people could actually live.
They could own things.
The, the things were truly there.
They could put food on the table.
You know, maybe from ourperspective it wasn't much because
we are used to owning, having,but that's matrix progress.
This is amazing.
Again, this is back to what Iwas saying, right.

(49:10):
You have to become someone,you have to mean something.
But I'm just saying that, youknow, we are the most advanced.
Well, so we think right.
Right now, but we kind of went backwards.
But do you think, do you thinkthere's an element of over idealizing
the past there?
Because like, I mean, whatabout feudalism?
What about slavery?
What about the thousands andmillions of people that lived in

(49:31):
servitude?
Much of which which eventhough there is a lot of suffering
that takes place today, youknow, I guess with the rise of individualism.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
But where does slavery come from?
You know, who came up with slavery?
Right.
Where.
Back to pyramid structure.
And you know, where thepyramids are, who build the pyramids.

(49:51):
Right.
The pyramids are not just pyramids.
They're not just somethingthat you want to visit because it's
ancient.
Pyramids are physical, butthey are also a manifestation.
This is, that, is thatreptilian ideology of classes, of
levels.
You know, you have to climbthe ladder, you have to become something.

(50:12):
So, so the, the ladderstructure, the, the, the, the pyramid
structure, the fact that therewas slavery, slavery meant there
are better and there are worse.
There are people that areabove and there are people that are
below, which is preciselycoming from the pyramid mentality.
And that is not our original mentality.
And I absolutely agree withyou that there is an element of ownership

(50:33):
in us.
Absolutely.
And until today I always say,you know, there's not going to be
any judgment day.
There's not going to be anyostracism that is going to bring
these beings.
And now we're going to be, youknow, if.
Right.
I mean, of course I understandthat you're still kind of investigating
whether that's even, that'seven holds water.

(50:54):
I understand.
But I'm just saying that even,even in my world.
Yeah.
Nobody's gonna do that.
Yeah.
Nobody's gonna bring anybodyand, and hold them responsible.
The responsibility is in, in us.
In us for engaging in us.
For living according to aparadigm that they have once pushed.
That's not ours.

(51:15):
That does not serve humanity.
These are reptilian codes.
These are reptilian codes ofdominance and servitude.
These are reptilian codes of povert.
Worse.
You're below me, I'm above you.
These are, these are not our codes.
So why do we apply them in our home?
Because that's true.
Right?
There's.
I don't care.
We don't have to look outside.

(51:36):
We.
We have to look inside of ourown homes, right?
How much violence is there?
How much abuse is there?
And even without that abuse,there is still a lot of programs
that are running that are notours originally to begin with.
With.
They're not ours.
You mentioned spirituality.
Aren't we that evolved?
Or should we be more evolvedor, or, you know, is, is, is this

(51:57):
not good enough?
Well, do we really needevolving spiritually or is that also
a program of this matrix thatwe need to be evolving?
Or perhaps we should be collapsing.
We should be collapsing thevery false architecture that we have
walk.
What kind of architecture?
The architecture that, yeah,pulls people out of their own natural

(52:21):
element and tells them to goand seek prestige status.
Tells them that we are not equal.
I have to be better than you.
That kind of.
The programs, the programs ofreligions, the programs of, you know,
this whole false matrix standson, on the fact that somebody is
better than somebody else.
Else.

(52:41):
And you need to buy into that.
But it, it buys into the factthat, well, ethics, morals are also
serving this matrix so thatyou behave and you're gonna be rewarded
for certain behaviors mostlywithin the very construct that is
keeping you and controlling you.
So, so I'm asking you, youknow, why, why can't people entertain

(53:07):
that, that perhaps this, theway we are living.
And I'm, I'm not just talkingthe, you know, the fact that we have
all these super, I don't know,houses, etc, cars.
I'm not, I'm not talking about that.
I'm just saying why can't weentertain the idea that this world
is not our world?

(53:28):
This is not, this is notreality that human nature is, is
really built for.
And, and you see, this is,this is very common when I, when
I have these conversationswith women.
It's what they say, it's whatthey bring to me.
They say, you know, I'm tired.
I'm tired of this world.
I'm tired of the fact thatwhatever I do, it's just never the

(53:53):
carrot always, you know, is,is, is fleeting from me.
Yeah, there is.
Sorry.
I'll say.
What is the difference thenbetween these, the women that come
to you and they're like, I'm tired.
I'm tired.
To the women that are like, Ilove my life, I love my partner,
I love my children.
Like, what's the difference?
Have they collapsed?
Have they collapsed more?

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No, they don't.
They don't.
It's, it's not about that.
They don't love their childrenand they don't love their partners.
They love their children.
Partners, but they can seethrough the illusion.
No, I get it.
I'm not saying, I wasn'tsaying that those people that come
to you don't love their children.
I'm just saying saying thewomen that come to you that see through
the illusion that I'm tiredand like, everything I do and it
doesn't work.
But then there are people whosee through the illusion that are

(54:36):
content in their life and havelovely families and do work that
inspires them.
So what's the difference?
I, but I, I think you're,you're kind of creating a sort of
two groups that I, I, I don't,I don't really see that there is
a group that's coming to methat's, I don't know, unfulfilled
or unhappy.
I, I'm just saying people areseeing through the illusion.

(55:00):
That's what I'm saying, thatthere are a lot of women that are
saying that they are seeing,they are starting to see that we
have been sold.
Because, you know, what you'retalking about being, you know, content
and, and all that very oftenis rooted in being very much plugged
into this very matrix.
Right?
It's, and, and, and, andthere's a lot of people and, and

(55:22):
I, I specifically work a lotwith women.
So this is why I mentioned women.
They will come to me and theystarting to see that, you know, I,
what, what we have walked sofar away from our original sort of
nature and literally,physically nature.
There's a window behind me, sothat's what I'm showing.
And literally, nature, it,it's, I think it's the same journey

(55:44):
that I've been through when Icame here.
You know, I, I got kicked outof oil and gas.
When I was plugged into oiland gas, I also had a great life.
I had, I have a great life nowas well.
But it's a totally different life.
Life.
It's a totally different life.
I was, I wasn't talking aboutthe women that are content that are
plugged into the 9 to 5 matrix.
I'm talking about women thatlive close to the land Nature, maybe

(56:05):
they're homesteading orwhatever the case may, they've already
seen through the illusion andthen created a life that, where they
feel happy and fulfilled or,or connected.
That's, that's what I'mtalking about there.
Like, I'm just trying tofigure out like, what is, like, we
all live in this world and yetsome people don't feel like we're
imprisoned, and then otherpeople feel like we're imprisoned.
Prison.

(56:25):
Because I don't, I don't thinkit's about, you know, knowing that
we're in prison doesn't meanthat you have to live a bad life,
right?
That's the whole point.
You have to know that you'rein prison so that you can start sort
of getting out of the prison.
Right?
You're not going to get out ofthe prison if you don't know that

(56:46):
you're in prison.
So, so my point is.
Well, look, I, I, I'm still inmy own process of whether or not
I believe that we'recompletely imprisoned and that there's
something preventing us from leaving.
Not that I'm saying I want toleave, but, but what, what, what
do.
You mean by leaving?
Well, I'm just saying that Idon't know if I believe 100%.

(57:06):
Well, I believe in powerstructures and that there are people
that are controlling us.
I agree with you there, but Idon't have at the base root of my
belief system that I'mimprisoned, therefore I need to do
certain things.
Things.
My belief system is I have thegift of life.
I want to make the most of it.
So there's a difference there,in my opinion.
Yeah, but of course, you know this.

(57:27):
If we, if we look at it in a,in a sort of deeper, esoteric ways,
right, Then there is thiswhole notion of, okay, what does
freedom, what, what is freedom?
What does freedom truly look like?
Right?
And, and I guess, I guess thepoint is, you know, how much of the
program is, do you know, thatis still just the programming.

(57:48):
It, it might be compelling.
It gives us a great life.
You know, if we are talking inthose kind of in, in this way, right?
Then we can say, okay, so ifthere is a billionaire, then he's
living even a greater life, right?
He doesn't have a clue about Matrix.
He doesn't have a clue aboutthis life.
He has all the money in this world.
So, so, you know, he must behaving a great life.

(58:11):
Well, many of them aren't, though.
I don't think all billionairesare living a great life.
So I don't.
Yeah, but just to just, youknow, just to.
What I'm just trying to, to,to do is just to show that I don't
think, I don't thinknecessarily having a great life or
saying that somebody's havinga great life is truly, is truly sort

(58:33):
of grasping the, the idea ofwhat this matrix does to you.
You.
I don't think, I don't think aper, a person might, might say that.
You know, I, I'm, I'm live,I'm homeschooling my kids, I'm living
on a farm.
I'm, I'm cultivating my ownproduce and I'm eating healthy.
So yeah, and I'm, and I'm great.

(58:53):
But that still doesn'tnecessarily mean that you have gotten
to the very core to that.
So that, so that deeper kindof level, level, where do they, do
they still got you?
Are they still, are they stillkind of, you know, keeping a hold
on you?
And I know that you say, well,I don't believe it's any them, so

(59:14):
I don't care.
Well, yeah, but you know, thenit's this whole debate, you know,
is, is that, does it even matter?
Right?
Does it even matter?
Know the truth or not?
But does that eventually feellike something that you know, despite
how much work you do, despitehow fulfilled you feel, feel then
it can kind of just be used.
Oh, but you still haven'tgotten to the root of it.

(59:34):
You still haven't understoodthe base root of reality.
Like, it feels like apotential, another carrot that you
can never grasp, you can never catch.
Like, where can someone justbe like, wow, I exist.
I'm grateful for my life, I'mliving on purpose.
I filled it up, I feelexcited, I got healthy relationships.
And it's like, when, when,when can that be enough in this paradigm?

(59:57):
No, it's, it's not.
That's, that's.
I think what you, what you'vedescribed about this kind of never
ending work.
Work, I absolutely don'tadvocate any work.
That's, that's very kind ofpsychology based.
And, and you said that personstill doesn't grasp the truth of
it.
So like, what do you call thatif, if you're saying this person
maybe still hasn't gotten tothe root of it, what do you call
that if not work?

(01:00:18):
Well, it's not, it's notreally work.
It's the awareness.
It's the, it's the truth, you know.
Isn't there work to build awareness?
Isn't that work to getsomewhere not really.
Because when, you know, whenfive years ago ago.
Not, not, not in my mind.
Because when five years agothe, you know, this whole nonsense
started, which of course youare aware of.
Right.
With the COVID and, and thevaccines later, etc.

(01:00:41):
Some people knew immediatelyor very quickly.
Right.
That this is all a hoax, thisis all a lie.
And some did not and some donot until now.
Right.
So, so you see the fact thatsome people knew from the beginning,
from all walks of life that itwas a hoax, was not really a result

(01:01:02):
of some work that they did toget to that point, that now they
finally see that it's a hoax.
It was like this.
It's a resonance.
It's the truth.
It's, it's, it's somethingthat you either are there or some
of the people still don't knowwhat happened happened.
Right.
I, I agree with you.

(01:01:22):
There's work that needs to be done.
I agree with you.
And I think there are thosepeople that they just knew and there
are people that I've spent 10to 15, 20, 30 years studying the
power, global structures thatwe've been talking about here.
Yeah.
So they understood that thiswas part of the plan.
So there was work that gotthem to that place.
So how do you differentiate?
You know, there's some peoplewho just go, maybe some people grew

(01:01:43):
up in communistic countries,you know, like in Eastern Europe,
Europe.
There are many people I knowin this country who haven't done
any of the work, but they grewup in Eastern Europe and say they
saw what happened in their lands.
And so when it was coming tothe U.S.
they were like, nah, I knowI've seen this before.
So is part of life experiencepart of the work?

(01:02:04):
Not really because, you know,I, I come from Poland and there's
a lot of people, including myfamily, right, My own family, who
have been living in Poland forall these years and they have this
kind of post communistic andpre communistic, you know, mentality
and they still don't know what happened.
Right?
They still, they still, they still.

(01:02:24):
But that's what I'm saying isthat like, like we can't, how do
we know it's work or it's just awareness.
There's so many different.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't think it's work.
I don't think it's workbecause you have, you have people
who, you know, claim to have been.
I don't really care hear aboutanyone saying that they've been doing
some research or they've Beenat something for 20 years, 50 years.

(01:02:45):
It doesn't matter becausethere are doctors that have been
doing their degrees for 40years and they believed in covet.
Right?
So.
So the work, this.
But there's different types ofresearch and work as well.
I mean, you know, there's.
Those doctors have beenspecifically indoctrinated to believe
in covert.
Like it's the exact opposites of.
Of the work that we're referencing.
Yeah, but my point is thatit's not the work.

(01:03:07):
That.
What is the work?
What is the work?
You know, what is the workthat takes your consciousness there?
That it's.
Did you know astrology was acult when you were a kid, when you
were.
When you were studying astrology?
Or did you take.
Did you study to get to apoint to understand this stuff?
Like, this is what I'm justtrying to say.
Like, don't we.
Like you didn't just come upwith the stuff that you teach about

(01:03:29):
and talk about now.
Like, it.
It didn't just come to you.
You went through a process, right?
You did work to get to it.
Yeah, sure, but I went through.
I went through a process, butit wasn't the result of me learning
more and more astrology that Isuddenly realized that it's all,
you know, a part of this matrix.
It was.

(01:03:49):
It's.
There's something about the consciousness.
There's something about.
I think it's not about work,which is.
Which feels like, you know,you need to do more.
You need to do more.
Actually, I feel that you haveto strip more.
More.
You have to.
You have to collapse.
I think we're having asemantics game here about what work
is.
That's what I'm thinking.
I think there's just like adisconnect here.

(01:04:11):
Like, I'm not saying work islike, oh, I gotta do and do more.
Like, I think work.
A lot of the work is what youjust said.
Collapsing, dissolving away, deconditioning.
So I don't think maybe there'sjust a disconnect in how we're viewing
the word work, but I could be wrong.
I mean, okay, okay, let's.
Let's take that.
But you see, I don't think that.
That I understood or realizedwhat I did about astrology because

(01:04:36):
I have been studying or toyingwith astrology for 20 years.
I think I understood what'sgoing on.
It was very much.
It was very much, I think, fedby the context of the last five years.
As in.
As in literally something happened.
Something happened, right.
Five years ago when all thisstarted it.

(01:04:58):
Some of us instantly knew andsome, and the rest didn't.
So around that time, prettymuch around the same time I put together,
I sort of collected the, the,the, the dots on the astrology, numerology
on the permanent etc,everything just fell in place.
So I don't, and, and some of,some of the things that also fell

(01:05:21):
in place I had not beenlooking into since I was a child.
I, I, I, I just, you know, Ikind of, I, they just, they just,
they just happen to, to comein flying later.
So I don't, I don't think thateverything is a result of some work
because I agree with you.
I agree they're not doing any work.

(01:05:42):
Yeah, I, I don't disagree with that.
I just, it's hard for me tojust say 100%, it's no work for anyone.
You know what I mean?
Like, people come torealization in different ways.
Like to, to paint every singleperson in their process as having
to just have to come fromawareness and not put any effort
or energy or work into itwhere they come to that awareness.

(01:06:04):
What is work?
Well, I mean for example,someone who had a vaccine injured
child in 2015 and experienceddevastation in their home, then spent
the next five years studying vaccines.
Then 2020 comes along andthey're like oh shit, what's all
the research they did between2015 and 2020?
Yeah, but you know that itwasn't those people, that it wasn't

(01:06:29):
like that kind of people werethe majority that knew that this
is a hoax, that that's, that'snot who it was.
Those people that knew that itwas a hoax had probably nothing to
do with vaccines or, or it wasnot ex.
Based on experience.
It was not based on.
I have experienced this andnow I have learned.
Learned.
It was just like you just knew.

(01:06:49):
Right.
Well anyways, we can keepgoing around in circles with this,
this part of it because it'shard, it's hard to know like I don't
know everyone.
I haven't lined up, let's say500 million people of the total population
that knew it was a hoax.
I don't know how many peopleknew it was a hoax to find out why
they knew it was a hoax.
Yeah, I was, I was just givingan example of what is work like what
you call the research thatthat person did because they tried
to understand why their childwas, is autistic who's experiencing

(01:07:14):
a certain, like that's likewhat is.
It's just a word.
It feels like it's just A wordthat there's an agenda against here.
Like, to me, that's work.
That person, they experiencedan extremely challenging, traumatic
thing, and they engage deeplyto try to understand a thing.
You know, like, I hear whatyou're saying, but.
But, you know, from what Ihave understood over the past five

(01:07:37):
years, and I've been talkingto a lot of people.
I've been engaged in manygroups on Facebook, talking to people.
People on many, manyinterviews as well, and people sort
of commenting about it and.
And writing.
Me personally, of course, Idid not speak with 500 million people,
but there is a consistency.
I have probably hardly everheard a story that I knew what was

(01:08:00):
going on, because I have seen,you know, I.
I have educated myself.
I have always heard from people.
I mean, they just knew.
Our entire audience prettymuch is human beings who educated
themselves about vaccines pre2000 2020.
Our entire audience.
I can speak for probably atleast over 70, 80, I would say.
Okay, well, my experience hasbeen that people.

(01:08:21):
Yeah, and so.
And so the answer is that it'snot absolute.
So then the answer is thatit's not absolute then.
Right?
Or the answer is that youraudience is very specific.
Maybe these are people that are.
I don't know, into.
Into finding things througheducating themselves rather than.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I don't be beyond my audience.

(01:08:42):
I'm talking about over thelast however many years being in
this world.
But even in the last fiveyears, my wife and I were hosting
gatherings, bringing peopletogether because we live in Southern
California, and from apolitical standpoint, things were
different.
The majority of the peoplethat would come that found us weren't.
Weren't just people that justwoke up one day in 2020 and said.
And said, oh, I'm not doingthis now.

(01:09:04):
There were.
There were definitely people.
People, but I wouldn't say the majority.
The majority of people thatwere hip to the control structures
that we've been talking aboutthis entire episode, they weren't
just like, oh, I'm a bankerand an accountant, and then, poof,
I'm not getting the vaccine.
That.
That's just.
As well.
The vaccine was not the firstthing that showed up in 2020.

(01:09:26):
The first thing that showed upwas the whole bakery.
Right.
So, yes.
So I'm just questioning that.
If somebody, a year and a halfis still making a decision based
on the fact that they lookedinto vaccines not being safe, then
I.
I'm gonna question if theyever knew from the beginning what
was going on.
I said vaccine to symbolize Covid.

(01:09:48):
I wasn't meaning exactly 1.1years into 2020.
But there are people who, whencovet happened, they weren't just
like, poof, I'm not taking,I'm not gonna go along with it.
Most, a lot of people I know didn't.
Did.
Most people I know did.
And the ones that didn't, I'dlove to say the majority of them
would just realize it out ofthe blue and had not done zero research

(01:10:11):
into any of the control structures.
But that's just not the case.
So again, we just havedifferent probably demographics of
people we're interacting with.
Probably.
I want to get more intoastrology and the, the, the cult
of astrology.
Like, how do you explainpeople that have gotten a lot of
value from astrology ornumerology that has allowed them

(01:10:34):
to, I don't know, understandthemselves more?
Well, I think, I think it's,you know, a critical thing is to
understand what's a valuebecause, because there's a lot of
people out there that thinkthat understanding themselves is
actually changing somethingand it's not.
Understanding you can be,understanding you can be going to
therapy.
And that's why people are intherapy for many, many years years,

(01:10:57):
because they are understandingtheir wounds.
They are recycling the narrative.
But that is not actuallyfixing anything.
And this is, this is, this iswhere we come into the crux of it.
That, that understanding onits own knowing, bringing something
to your awareness is not, it'snot fixing anything.

(01:11:18):
What fixes.
What fixes things?
Well, what, what fixes things?
That's, that's a good, that'sa good point.
And then this is why I askedyou earlier, what is worse?
Work.
What is work and what is it about?
Because I thought you meant itin, in this context that people are
doing something to like healthemselves or fix themselves.
And, and what if I, what if Itold you that the whole concept is

(01:11:39):
just false?
That let's just say it's false?
Well, let's say it's false.
Then how does a person live?
Well, a person, A person lives.
And, and for example, if youlook to the indigenous people, right,
of every culture, there wasnever a therapy there.
Nobody was going to therapyand nobody was going to any kind

(01:12:01):
of courses and, and methodsand, and modalities.
But there was a shaman and,and what they were interested in
is the soul.
So they, the work was done atthe soul level, never at the subconscious
level level or consciousness level.
There was never any talk aboutwhat happened, how do you feel, etc,

(01:12:22):
which is only rein.
Whatever you, you alreadydealing with it Is not, it is not
stripping anything.
It is not fixing anything.
So, so back in, in thosecultures, the people were working
or they understood thatsomething needs to happen at the,
at the soul level.
Something needs to happen atthe totally.
It.
You cannot fix the system frominside of the system.

(01:12:44):
You have to kind of stepoutside of it.
So how would they communicate, though?
Don't you have to have somelevel of the mental world?
Because how are theycommunicating to one another?
Communicating?
What?
Like if you went to see ashaman, did you just stand there
and, and then the shaman didthings to you?
Like how, how, how did aperson receive support from a shaman?

(01:13:07):
Well, for example, the personwould go to a shaman and they would
say that they are feeling, Idon't know, disconnected from themselves
or whatever.
They.
They feeling they are struggling.
Something in their life isshowing that, that things are not.
Not running the, the way it.
It was before.
Or something is.
Just seems to be showing upfor them in, in some shape and form

(01:13:29):
which is destructive to them.
And actually there would be noconversation with the, with the shaman
because.
Because the soul work doesn'twork at that level.
The shamanic work would beabout the shaman going outside of
the, of that mental construct.
The mental concept of let'stalk about it.

(01:13:49):
That's not what shaman does.
So shaman would take ajourney, right?
The shaman's mute.
Like, there's no communicationat all going on between the shaman
and the person who's going andsharing about their feelings and
what's going on.
They're not sharing abouttheir feelings.
They're not sharing abouttheir feelings.
You just said they were.
No, I just said.
No, you just said.
You just said they would go tothe shaman and tell them how they're

(01:14:11):
feeling.
Feeling and what's going on.
Oh, they wouldn't tell themhow they're feeling.
They would tell them why theycame there.
So they're coming, forexample, because they, they feel
something is off.
That's enough for a shaman.
Something is off with me.
I feel disconnected frommyself or whatever.
Everything in my life is going wrong.
That's the level of conversation.
That's all I'm saying is youjust said the word feel.

(01:14:31):
So I'm saying they're sharingthe feelings.
What's going on?
That's.
I'm just trying to mirror backthe, the languaging that's happening
here.
No, because you're trying to.
It feels like you're trying totell me that shaman was run therapy
and shaman was not running any therapy.
Nobody needed to be talkingabout feelings.
Because that's not how you fix things.
The, the, the, the feeling.
To talk about feelings.

(01:14:51):
Therapeutic kind of setting is actually.
This is why people sit inthose therapies for years.
I agree with, I agree with that.
I agree with that.
I was just countering the factthat there was the words feelings
going on and then you saidthere was no feelings.
So there's language becausethe feelings are irrelevant.
Very often you would just showup to the shop shaman and, and, and

(01:15:11):
because you, you, that was theonly person that you would go to
when you felt something is off.
You don't have to tell yourstory because it doesn't make any
difference because the shamanis not working with what you tell
him.
The shaman is working on atotally different level and in a
totally different aspect field.
Right.
Which is the shaman goes intoa journey.
Why?

(01:15:32):
Because, because the, the workthat he needs to do is not with your
conscious construct.
So it's irrelevant what youtell him him.
What you tell him is just asymptom of what is happening on a
totally different level.
And this is precisely how thework used to be done back in the
day.
But not just shaman is, is a,is the kind of aftermath of feminine

(01:15:53):
alchemy, which was much, muchsort of older tradition.
But since we, we, we'retalking about the, the shamanic aspects
here.
Here.
Yeah.
The shaman knew that whateveryou feel, for example, you could
be feeling that.
I don't know, people are.

(01:16:14):
Feel blocked becausesomething's not happening in their
life.
They feel.
So they go to, to therapy,they talk about it.
Right.
And then they are spendingtheir months, years.
Not much is happening.
But, but the shaman is notinterested in the symptoms, in what
you tell because it's irrelevant.
That's the story that you tellyourself very often.

(01:16:35):
Right.
The shaman is going after thefact that something inside of you,
that integral part of you,which is what they call the soul,
perhaps became disconnectedfrom or, or there's a fragment that
went missing.
Something.
The wholeness has been lost.
The wholeness in your systemhas been lost.
So, so shamans, why is it the shaman?

(01:16:57):
Because, because the healingdoes not happen in this realm.
This realm is not when it canwhere it can happen as in, in this
reality.
This is why most modalities fail.
It's a feel good factor.
You might spend some money andyou might feel like okay, it better
be bringing some results.
So you talk yourself into results.
But in reality in your life,not necessarily an effect, but.

(01:17:21):
Right, but the shamansoperates outside of that reality
because we know from theseteachings that what is truly responsible
for your experience and how,what's going on in sort of this reality
is at a totally differentlevel, which is the soul level.
So the shaman would take ajourney to go find you find you find

(01:17:46):
that piece that went missing.
Missing and bring it, bring itback and seal it into wholeness.
No condensation is requiredbecause whatever is happening in
your consciousness is just asymptom of what happened at that
deeper level.
So the healing's coming fromoutside of you, not within you.
Like the shaman's the onedoing the healing and the person,

(01:18:08):
the shaman would.
Facilitate for, for theindigenous people, some of the healing.
But absolutely.
As for the alchemicalteachings, the be the person, the
person should have been and,and used to be capable of doing that
themselves.
So, so yeah, in, in alchemicaltradition, a person would, Every,

(01:18:30):
every person would be able todo that journey.
So.
But yeah, yeah, no, I hear you.
I'm, I'm loving this conversation.
So in today's world, peoplethat say don't work with a shaman
or someone who operates like ashaman is, is all that work meaningless?
Like, or work.
I don't want to say the wordwork, but those experiences they're

(01:18:52):
having, if they're doingnervous system work or you know,
other forms of, of quoteunquote work to help them alchemize,
transmute things, understandthings and, and I don't know, love
themselves more and, and livebetter lives or maybe help spend,

(01:19:12):
see through more illusions.
Is that, is that not meaningful?
Like, or like what, like whatare the modern day shamans?
And, and how do you thinkpeople in this world can improve
or remember?
Again, I'm trying to figureout the.
Language and what if I saidthat a lot of what we see or a lot

(01:19:33):
of what's been sold to us assome kind of healing modality, it's,
it's.
I agree with you.
I agree.
So much of the stuff out there is.
But some isn't.
Yeah, and, and, and it's not.
And it relates differently to,let's say, how shamans did things
in the past.
Like are we all supposed to.
What's going to improve our world?
Like how, how, what's yoursolution to, to whatever's happening

(01:19:57):
right now?
You know, we live in thisprison and we're being harvested
for lo.
Where do we go from here?
You might have missed the question.
You're asos, but Ola asked you some.
So what, what methodologies isn't.
Yeah.
I think the more we connect toour soma, our body and sensations
and less conscious languagingand just understand what's happening

(01:20:19):
in our body from a sensation level.
You know, this is pre.
Verbal language can support us.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I agree with that, butthat's not a method.
I, I thought you meant likethere is some kind of, you know,
we mentioned therapy, butthere's no, there's somatic.
There's somatic practices experiencing.
There's many differentmodalities out there.
My wife has her PhD.

(01:20:39):
Not that that matters.
She's trained in different nonmainstream modalities that focus
on your essence and yoursensation and your body.
It's not about like, oh myGod, my dad left me when I was four.
And then you just keep sayingthe same thing over and over again.
There's a lot of stuff out there.
You may, you may not be awareof it.
I don't mean to be condescending.
You may just not be aware ofit because, because you're in your

(01:21:00):
world, in your bubble and whatyou've experienced the last five
years.
There's a whole world.
I'm just saying, I'm justsaying that like, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know what you know.
Like the stuff you talk about,the things I've watched about feminine
alchemy, it's amazing.
It's incredible.
I don't know it.
And so I just feel likethere's so much knowledge and wisdom
out there that support people.
I think it's kind of arrogantfor anyone, myself or, or yourself

(01:21:22):
or Joel to, to just kind oflike immediately be like, oh, there's
nothing out there.
There like all that stuff is.
This is not for me to bejudging if there is nothing out there.
You've asked me, you invitedme to speak about the teachings of
feminine line.
And I'm.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm telling you about theteachings of the feminine line.
Teachings of the feminine lineare very specifically explaining

(01:21:47):
that there is a lot of thingsout there that are constructs of
this matrix.
And even though when you thinkyou were bypassing or you were are,
you're, you're sort of notdealing, you're really going deep.
You are still operating withthe mind.
You're dealing with the mind.
You're, you're not bypassingthe subconscious or anything like

(01:22:07):
that.
You're actually still dealingwith the, with the subconscious.
And, and they still becomeprograms and methods.
Feminine alchemy actuallyteaching about the fact that our
perfect health and there's noneed to, to get agitated here that
our perfect health is writtenwithin our DNA.
We don't need any methods.
We don't need any, nothing,nothing external is actually needed.

(01:22:29):
What's needed is that we comeback to our full DNA activation,
which is not a method in itself.
Again, it's not like some kindof special, you know, protocol for
activating a DNA.
Absolutely not.
But, but perfect health, asyou might imagine, is actually written
in our DNA and it's sitting inthe part of DNA that the science

(01:22:52):
today calls, calls the junk.
So we have only so manypercent that are supposedly operational
or even useful and the rest ofit is just junk sitting there.
Well, you know, there's,there's no, no, no need to get defensive.
But I'm, I'm here to representcertain, which is what you invited
me for.
So I'm just, Of course we'rehaving a passionate conversation

(01:23:14):
like we don't have to agree on everything.
So if, if someone disagreeingwith you is defensive, then that's
your take.
That being said, what isfeminine alchemy?
Let's get into that a littlebit, if you're open to.
Well, feminine alchemy is the.
Probably the best way toexplain it is the, is the full capacity

(01:23:37):
of a, it's feminine alchemy, so.
Of a woman's hormonal system.
As it happens, women arecreated in a, in a way whereby.
Why we have a differenthormonal system than, than men for
a variety of reasons.
We, not just the hormonalsystem, but of course also the physical
body.
The, the presence of the womb,the presence of certain organs that

(01:24:01):
are within a woman for certain functions.
We have been over time exposedto the fact that women are, are only
kind of capable in, indistinction to a man.
Right.
Of giving birth to a child.
And, and maybe they are notas, I don't know, strong as a man,

(01:24:25):
but physically.
But actually there is a wholesort of spectrum of abilities that
a woman, a woman's body and,and a woman through her is able to
deliver purely based on afunction of her hormonal system,
the full capacity of thehormonal system.
This is why we're talkingabout alchemy.

(01:24:46):
So the full capacity of ahormonal system is a function of
activation of the rest of the DNA.
So the DNA.
Why do we have DNA that's junk?
I mean that.
Is it junk or hasn't beenbranded as junk?
Right.
That doesn't really.
Why would something in ourbody be redundant?
Just junk sitting there.
And it's actually 90% of it do.

(01:25:09):
You think early, early man,man slash woman was genetically manipulated
by these, you know, so called gods?
Well, I don't think there wasanything such as early man or not.
Not in a context of some kind.
Of.
You know, primitive like, likekind of monkey type of.

(01:25:30):
That's a lie.
Right?
So not, not in that context.
But yes, that there's been amanipulation and I think this is
exactly what we're living with.
But the manipulation was notto evolve.
The manipulation was to devolve.
Right.
It was to, to shut us down.
This is why what we're lookingat, what, what the scientists are
looking at in our bodies, theysay, oh, this is junk, this is inactive.

(01:25:54):
It's just sitting there.
Well, as it happens, it hasits function, but it's been disabled.
It's been through the, whatyou just mentioned, the genetic interventions.
It has been kind of switched off.
Yeah.
So the question is, so what'sin there?
So if it's been switched offand it's just deactivated, but it's
sitting there, but it's not active.
So what's in there?
And that's what preciselyfeminine alchemy tells us very, very

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abundantly.
What's in there?
Well, what's in there isperfect health.
What's in there is the, thefact that the body regenerates itself,
meaning death becomes a true choice.
As in you choose the point,you choose the point.
And we also know from history,from, from historical accounts that
back in the day, yeah, thereare, there are deaths that were chosen

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as in people decided to go andlay down rather than, and leave this
realm rather than death as aresult of diminishing capacity of
the, of the body.
What's also written in there.
And course of, of course itkind of differs but for, for women
specifically is profenogenesis.

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So, so profanesis is not a myth.
It's, it is present in, in our makeup.
So, so parthenogenesis, likebeing impregnated by spirit or, or.
Well, not by, or not, not, not.
Non, non, non physical.
Like you don't need man andsemen to.
Pregnant.
Yeah.
Yes.
So profanogenesis is thecapacity of a woman to become pregnant

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without participation of a male.
Right.
So, so, so this is.
But yeah, I mean, made areference to the Holy Spirit.
But yeah.
That is what in the Bible, right.
The, the Immaculate Conception.
That's.
It is, it is preciselyreferring to this because, because
that aspect, all those aspectsthat we're talking about are written

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and they are in a woman.
They are connected to socalled alchemical Aspect of a virgin.
Virgin.
This is why Mary mother orMary mother of Jesus was, is always
referred to in the Bible.
Virgin Mary.
Virgin Mary.
It's a title, it's analchemical title.
It's not a physiological sortof state.
It's a, it's a title.
So, but back, you see, thereason I want to sort of go back

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to the, the healing and the,the perfect health, not healing,
but the perfect health isbecause in our very DNA we hold the
whole sort of design toreplicate, to replenish, to rejuvenate,
and also to reject anythingthat is not.

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How to say, sort of, sort ofmaybe not compatible, but that, that
doesn't support.
Right.
Our sort of best interest.
If you like, think about it asa, I always make that comparison.
Think about it as a woman whois pregnant, pregnant with a child
that's inside of her.
Right?
And there is an umbilical cordthat connects them right through

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the placenta between the babyand the mother.
So the, the mother never needsto think what does she need to now
feed the baby or, you know,what kind of nutrients or minerals
or whatever she needs to sendin there.
And the baby never prays toher and never asks her, can you please
take this out?
Can you give me more of that?

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Everything is, is thisbeautiful alchemical, intelligent
design.
Everything happens to sustain,not just sustain life, but to optimize,
maximize.
Right.
The experience for this baby.
So, so, so this mother is suddenly.
The woman that's pregnant issuddenly capable of.

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Very often she goes, sheundergoes some nice processes herself,
right.
Things get replenished in that woman.
So what, what kind of, whatwas activating there?
Right.
But also, also she, shenourishes the child.
So our DNA happens to kind of act.
And this is reflected in theHindu teachings as well.

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It's almost like there is.
This should be this invisiblecord, invisible thread connecting
us to like a galactic womb,like a cosmic womb or the earth womb.
Also kind of, they, theyliterally, they, they talk about
it being mean, a cord, like aumbilical cord.
So as if we were to beconstantly replenished by some kind

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of force.
Yeah, like a cosmic force,cosmic womb, something like that.
It's a, it's, it's a way ofdescribing it.
But the point is it's your DNAthat holds that.
So when you say to me that,you know, why, what's the problem
with healing?
Healing works.
What?
Well, alchemy actually tellsus you don't need any healing.

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Any healing system outside ofyou is a, a false kind of system
because you have everythingwritten in your design.
So the problem is not to finda healing and a healer and a healing
system.
The problem is why is your DNAnot activated?
How to activate, right?
How to, how to activate is abit new agey, but just how to, to

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regain that connection to therest of the DNA.
How to bring it on stream,right, so that, so that it can, so
that you can actually use it.
Utilize it, right?
And that's precisely what thealchemical teachings tell us.
And, and the, and theteachings talk about specifically

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the DNA part is linked to thevirgin aspect, and the virgin aspect
is linked to purity.
Purity not in a sexual sense or.
Yeah, not, not, not, not.
It's not about that.
Purity as in purity of the, ofthe grail, of the vessel.
And the purity specifically inthe alchemical sense is linked to

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certain emotions or lack ofthose emotions that should be the
case.
And it's, it's, it's to dowith the lowest vibrational emotions
emotions, the shame and guilt.
Guilt.
Yeah, yeah.
So, so you see the.
Now you, now you can kind ofsee how it all comes together.

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That in this world, very oftensince we are children, right, and
then throughout life we areexposed to being shamed and feel
guilty like, like it's beenpoured into us very often since we're
children, that shame and guiltin all sorts of forms, right.
I was talking, I had a.

(01:32:30):
Consultations very often with,with ladies that sort of, you know,
share some, some personalstories and, and, and some of them,
you know, experienced forexample, some kind of level of sexual
abuse or physical abuse.
And they say, and they allsay, all of them as children, right?
As children.
And all of they say that.
All of them say that, thatwhen that was happening, they felt

(01:32:54):
too ashamed to tell someone.
So, so this is.
And of course that can happento men as well, but I just happen
to have more contact with women.
But you know, the point isthat this is so ingrained in us,
right, since we are children,that this shame and guilt just enters
the body like a plague likeparasite and it sits there and it
happens to be the lowest vibrations.

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And as it happens, the, theway they designed it, they'll hate.
The way way this works is thatif you hold that those low vibrational
emotions like shame and guilt,they are, sorry, it's my cat making
an entrance.
They are, they are, they aresort of filling, filling the vessel

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with lead because we'retalking alchemy, lead as in, you
know, like, like the chemicalelement, but of course it's not the
Chemical element.
But alchemically we would saylead, the heavy, heavy element.
And, and when we carry thatinside of us, inside of the heart,
inside of the womb, you know,it, it disconnects that ability for

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the DNA to keep sort of activating.
This is why.
What, what else is in the DNA?
So I, I'll give you a real example.
In the DNA, it's also abilityto connect across within our world
with other realms such asbeing able to see, see other beings,
maybe elves, maybe dwarves,and look at children.

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Right.
Especially the younger children.
And I know that we say, ohthis is imaginary, friend, but very
often they see, they are ableto perceive.
Why?
Because their DNA is not yetloaded with all that length, all
that heaviness.
Right.
But unfortunately, as theygrow older, as they are more exposed
to, to.

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Well, to, to culture.
Yeah, to the culture, toprogramming, to negative experiences,
etc, it's.
It unfortunately they startstoring especially that nobody teaches
how to get rid of it.
Yeah.
How.
What do you do with it?
How do you, how do you.
Or just how do you protect thechild not to be exposed to that which

(01:35:06):
was pretty much what the culture.
Let me, let me ask you thisquestion, Ola.
So say there's an individual,individual that grows up and they
realize that they'reexperiencing lots of shame and guilt.
Say they decide to engage withsome kind of modality, whether it
be a nervous systempractitioner or deep somatic work
or deep whatever, and theyfeel like a shift and a release of

(01:35:26):
that shame and guilt and theyfeel, they feel more whole.
Is that like just a falseparadigm for that person?
Or how would you, what wouldbe your commentary on someone moving
through shame and guilt?
I can't, you know, I can'tcomment moment to, to a situation
that we are just.
Yeah.
Hypothetical.

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Okay, so beyond hypothetical,like people do release shame and
guilt.
They do move through thesethings and they do engage with certain
modalities and come to a placeof feeling more.
More whole.
So like what, like what isyour perspective on what's happening
in that situation?
Or is it, is it just that that's.
I don't, Yeah.
I don't know if they trulyrelease something or they say that

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they release or they hope thatthey release.
I've had people coming to myreadings, for example, and tell me,
can I tell them what works?
Because they've been througheverything and they thought they
released it.
But then you know, a half ayear later or whatever situation
happened and it, and it's backand it's still there and nothing,
nothing happens.
So I Think, you know, I, Idon't wanna, I don't wanna say this

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is, I don't think thisconversation is about denying, you
know, people's experience.
I, I think I'm just trying to,to say that, you know, what, what
the teachings are trying totell us is to, is actually very simple.
It doesn't need any methods,it doesn't need any super, you know,
therapies, etc, and you know,think about it also in a context

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of, Even in Africa, right?
Maybe.
Yeah.
And not just Africa.
Here at Norfolk as well.
People, we have lost a lot ofwisdom about the most simple things
that, that help us.
We have.
And, and you know, we, we wantsome convoluted strategies and, and,
and modalities because it kindof feels like, you know, If I invest

(01:37:18):
$200 or $500, then there mustbe a return on the investment.
Right?
But, but sometimes it'sactually nature that really does
wonders for us.
For example, with you, I, I,I, I think we are in most of the
world, but especially in theWestern world, we are disconnected
from nature, we'redisconnected from community.

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We were disconnected from alot of stuff.
A lot of that stuff is whatprevents whatever shit's happening
in the body, adaptations inthe body, trauma.
People are isolated in thewest and that is its own problem.
And like I said before, a lotof stuff out there, there, a lot
of modalities are scams.
And so I, I agree, I thinkwe're speaking a similar language

(01:38:00):
there and I, I think we needto return back to how we lived.
And I'm not saying we all haveto go live in the woods.
We, we just have to, we, wehave to have a, a, a, I don't know,
an awareness of, anunderstanding of why we've gone off
path.
Yeah, absolutely.
And you see what, what, what Imean also by nature and you know,

(01:38:21):
since we dive in deep, let'sgo all in.
You guys can cut it out later.
If it's.
We, we, we're here for thetruth, we're here for conversations.
We're here, we're not going toagree in everything.
We're individual human beings.
Like, like I think we live ina world where people are like, oh
no, I just have to share whatI share.
You can't disagree with me.
I'm not saying.
You're saying that I love this.
I'm Greek.

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I like passion and energy andlet's get into it.
So let's go.
Okay, well then let's do it.
Well, you decide later.
But you see, my, my Point is,is that when.
When it kind of comes down to the.
The nature.
Yeah.
Because we often talk aboutnature and people think, I'll take
a walk.
It's nature walk is not enough.
Yeah.
Even with bare feet.

(01:39:02):
That's just.
That's.
Again, that's new age dressedup in a little bit more, you know,
grounded practices.
No, what.
What people used to do back inthe day, and they still do that until
now in some places is, for example.
Example.
Okay, let's go there.
Why do we not pour.

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As women.
As women.
Why don't we pour ourmenstrual blood on the ground, as
in on the grass outside anymore.
Women used to do that, and I'mgonna tell you why.
Why men and women do not gowith their physiological needs.
Meets sometimes, at least I understand.

(01:39:44):
We all have beautiful houses.
But, you know, I'm gonna tellyou why.
Why you don't go outside.
I'm gonna explain why.
You're saying, just to beclear for the audience, why don't
we have sex or in nature.
Is that.
Was that what we're trying to say?
Or have sex.
I was trying to talk about.
I was trying to talk aboutpeeing, actually.
In my trees all the time.

(01:40:05):
I thought you meant you'retalking about women in menstrual
blood and then going out.
Men and women with their needs.
I thought you were talkingabout having.
Sex, but maybe that's that too.
But you see, what I.
What I'm after.
What I'm after is the secretions.
Yes, yes.
After.
Here is the substances fromyour body.
That.

(01:40:25):
Why are they no longer sharedwith the earth?
And I'm gonna.
I'm a gardener.
I pee in my trees all the time.
So I get what you're saying.
Sounds good.
You see, maybe this is why youhave a great life.
Because the thing is that we have.
Have cut the.
Sort of cut the cord.
Yeah.
The cord has been cut betweenus and the earth.

(01:40:47):
The.
The womb or whatever you wantto call it, the cosmic.
The.
The.
The.
The earth one.
And that's.
That's not esoteric.
This is why I'm.
I'm always liking to.
To walk sort of to, you know,the engineering side as well, not
just the esoteric.
So.
So the point is when.
When you pour the blood,especially for women, when they pour
the blood, obviously themenstrual blood on the.

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On the ground, that bloodcontains your DNA, it contains your
stem cells, it contains yourmaterial that feeds the information
into the ground.
You work with the earth.
Right.
You say you plant things.
Yeah.
I like, I like planting.
Right.
You probably know that if youtake seeds.

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Yeah.
When before you plant them andyou put them out.
Exactly.
Put them in your mouth.
Mouth.
What happens?
I mean I'm encoding somethingabout me into the seeds.
I don't know the exact details.
I haven't delved into it deeply.
Exactly.
So.
So back from where I'm from.
Right.
Women would do that becausethe, the, the plant is going to later

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read your DNA and it alsoreads kind of from your, you know,
codes in there, what you needand, and what needs kind of specifically
what it needs to build itself into.
Right.
So there's an information.
It's not, it's an information.
So when you pour that bloodinto the ground, it's an information,
it's an information that yousend down.

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You, you are rebuilding this connection.
You're sending an informationdown about what you need.
Not just in terms of likehealth wise.
You send an information.
It's, it's your whole, it'syour whole code because you, your,
your destiny.
As in your plan.
Not the God's plan, not theplan of this astrology or numerology,

(01:42:35):
but your plan, you know, iswritten in your DNA.
So why isn't it active?
Why isn't it running?
Why can you come to a readingto me and I'm going to tell you things
about you.
I shouldn't be able to.
We should be, you know, youshould be like the fool in the tarot,
right?
It should be everything and anything.
Anything.
Not something that I can diagnose.

(01:42:56):
So to activate that whole kindof, you know, plan, if you like,
to activate to, to.
To bring back the loop.
Because we need the loop.
We don't have the loop.
So the information is tryingto come to us, but it doesn't find
us because there's no input.
We don't, we don't say, thisis what I need.
Let me show you.

(01:43:16):
Let me give you my DNA.
People in Africa, they stilldo that.
They still do that.
You know, animals, right?
Animals are all the time in nature.
They walk in nature, theysleep, they.
They do everything but theyleave their DNA in the nature.
It's a little bit differentfrom us, but with us, look what happened.
We got closed into cities,into concrete buildings, right into

(01:43:42):
plastic, whatever, cars, etc,metal all.
It's nothing is nature anymore.
We do not even understand thecycle of information.
We do not even understand thatwhen we go into the nature and we
leave our imprints, we leaveOur literally secretions.
Those secretions will be red.

(01:44:03):
They will.
It's, it's like homeopathy, right?
You don't need to be pouringyour guts out there.
It's.
A little bit is enough.
Right.
So, so, so literally, youleave an information.
I know it sounds ridiculous,but if it does, then think and put.
I don't think it sounds ridiculous.
I don't think it sounds ridiculous.

(01:44:23):
I think.
And I know, I know, I knowsome women that are hip to leaving
their menstrual gr.
Blood on the ground, sometimesit can come through the New age lens,
which is a little bit much,but, but it's okay, you know, they're.
Yeah, it can.
But, you know, it's, it's,it's not meant to be ritualistic.
This is not a ritual.
You don't have to dance in awhite skirt around it.
You just do it.
Nobody needs to know.

(01:44:43):
Nobody needs you just do it.
Don't talk about it, you know?
You mean you don't need, youdon't have to videotape yourself
and post it on Instagram whileyou're doing it?
I, I happen not to do that.
Yeah.
So, so I, I, I think you see,this is, this is that part that has
been hijacked by the New age,by all these kind of healing modalities.
Everything has been changedinto the theatrics.

(01:45:05):
Right, Right.
The nature, which is there towork with you is available.
But, but there's beentheatrics done around it.
Right.
We have been again, pushedback into a studio to do things in,
in a sort of environmentthat's clinical, that's not out there,
that's not connected.

(01:45:25):
And people tell me, well, I, Ilove nature.
I go for walks.
Yeah, but you go for walks.
You go for hiking.
Hikes.
That, that's not, that's,that's, that's recreational versus
a deep relationship with nature.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And, and you see, when I thinkback about myself since I came here,
and like I said, everythingkind of collapsed upon arrival and

(01:45:46):
I had to bring myselftogether, and I, I did.
At the time, that was like,we're going back seven, eight years.
Right.
I did a lot of things I, fromtherapy that I actually had to do
because I had to kind of playaround, around, play along with the
system a little bit.
It was kind of part of how Iwas playing things out at the time,

(01:46:07):
like a regular therapy, youknow, that didn't do anything that
was annoying me because it wasjust making me angry.
There was nothing coming outof it.
But There was other things,there were other things that I was
doing as well and I thought atthe time they were also working.
But what I was mostly drawn tois literally take my car and go for
a drive, go out out and sit bythe, by the ocean.

(01:46:28):
And this is how, you know whatJoel read at the beginning, right
when you were reading the, thesort of few lines about me when I
say that I, it was the spiritof the land.
It was something in thatnature that suddenly spoke to me
in, in, in many ways.
Suddenly I literally startedgoing through, through some kind

(01:46:54):
of process of, you know,undoing myself and, and overcoming
everything that, that I don'tthink any of these other modalities
even touched.
And at the end when I kind ofcame out and, and I was in the, I
was totally different person.
I thought, okay, let's sitdown and let's write what, what happens
so that I can maybe, you know,tell other people right, what to

(01:47:17):
do.
And I realized over, because Icouldn't really actually couldn't
quite put my finger on it andI realized over time that it was
none of the modalities.
They were, they were a feelgood factor.
It's, you know, because I was,I was at the time being told certain
things, you know, given hope, etc.
But the, the, the kind ofreconstruction of me happened through

(01:47:43):
that contact and, and thatkind of feedback and rebuilding this
connection.
That's true, meaningful.
Not some kind of high techworking with not just the nature,
but it's the spirit.
This is conscious.
This is not, you know, this isnot the rock, right?
This is, this is not just amountain and just a tree.
There is consciousness there.

(01:48:03):
And when you tune back intothat, which is precisely what the
indigenous people and the oldcultures, I mean we are all indigenous,
right?
We are all indigenous.
We are all, at some point,some generation, we all would have
been living in, in that wayright back, back up the tree.
As in, as in I don't know,200, 500 years ago.

(01:48:26):
We are all sort of in ourlineage we have that.
So that's, that's what makesthe difference.
That's what makes the difference.
And that's, and it's not justthe nature.
Because you see with the DNA,when I mentioned that the shame and
yield is blocking the DNA from activating.

(01:48:46):
There are energies, literallythe sun, the sun is activating the
sun.
The energies that the sun isbringing in also Venus and, and,
and other stars are literallytrying to activate that they are
working on the DNA, they arepassing certain energies.
But the problem is when we areholding all this guilt and shame

(01:49:10):
and we are walking and, and,and you know, getting even more and
more of that programming and,and all other emotions.
It's, it's very difficult.
It's very heavy.
It's very difficult to, toactivate when you are walking, you
know, clustered with, with,with all this stuff on, on top of
you.
I love it real quickly becauseI know we're going over time, but

(01:49:32):
I just, I know you talk aboutthis and I'd love to just touch on
it.
The Venus Moon, Moon, like thedifferences and your views on the
Moon, because I know the moonis, is a symbol for so much in like
women's circles and, and woman healing.
So I'd love to just hear yourpoint of view on that before we go,
if you're okay going a littleextra time.
Yeah, sure, absolutely.

(01:49:54):
So, so, you know, again, I, Iwould ask everybody because I think
a lot of things that webelieve in and we go by, we just
go by because we walked intosomething and it was already there,
right?
Like the Moon.
Most women, if you ask them,like why do you worship the Moon
is not because she was bornwith worshiping the Moon.

(01:50:16):
She walked into it at somepoint, right?
Mostly through the new age.
She, she kind of, she wasexposed to it.
She heard about it from, fromYouTube or she, she heard about it
from some circle and she.
Seeking that kind of spiritualexposure and ritual, some kind of
ceremony, she became part of it.
But if you actually look alittle bit deeper into, into it,

(01:50:41):
in a lot of mythologies, theMoon is masculine and the Moon is
not representing the feminine.
It's masculine.
The, the sun is feminine, notthe Moon.
And that's.
So that's, that's even a quickcheck into, into mythology and history.
History.
But if you, if you dig alittle bit deeper, then Venus starts

(01:51:03):
showing up and, and the factthat Venus has been so degraded and
diminished that right now it'sjust one of the planets.
But if you look into history,we have Venus and references to Venus
in a lot of ancient texts, ina lot of, a lot of stories that.

(01:51:25):
There are stories talkingabout going to war and observing
phases of Venus, not the Moon.
Venus.
That's a little bit twisted as well.
But, but there's, there'ssomething deeper behind it.
But the point is the, the Moon.
The Moon is not the originalreference point.

(01:51:46):
Of course.
There are a lot of, there's alot of evidence suggesting that the
Moon is not a real satellite.
It's not a natural satellite night.
It's, It's a construct that'sbeen put in place there.
It happens to have a perfectshape that, you know, during eclipses
covers the sun perfectly.
So it's like it's, it's, it'sa lot of coincidences here, but that's,

(01:52:06):
that's just one of the arguments.
But the point is the moon, right?
Women know the moon forphases, that it has different phases.
But what we don't know is thatit was Venus, Venus, Venus that had
phases and she has phases.
Originally she shows up as amorning star, as the evening star.

(01:52:27):
She shows up in her sort ofhighest, brightest and, and, and
sometimes she doesn't show upat all because she's invisible.
Like the moon, the new moonis, is invisible.
There is a full moon, thereare phases to the moon, but that
mimics Venus.
The original, the originalsort of reference for, for all that

(01:52:48):
for women was Venus.
Because Venus is linked tothe, to the feminine alchemy.
She's linked to the feminine essence.
And it's, and it's Venus and,and what Venus does for women specifically
because she's holding certainfeminine essence, that is not some
kind of esoteric language here.
This is, this is based onSumerian tablets that Venus was,

(01:53:11):
was created as the essence ofthat feminine creative force.
So she, when she, when, whenwe see her in the sky, she's still
broadcasting to us certaincalls that are affecting women specifically
because they awaken certain energies.
They, they sort of sounds abit New Agey, but the point is that

(01:53:32):
it kind of, it, it, thatconnection with women from Venus
is precisely what'sresponsible for, for a woman stepping
into her, her alchemy.
It's, you know, back inEastern Europe and, and maybe in
Greece as well.
I don't know how is it for youguys, but probably even now isn't
it in, in villages like in, inreally kind of rural places, at least

(01:53:55):
in Eastern Europe, women wouldstill wear a scarf on, on the, on,
on the hair.
Older women usually, I thinkthey still.
Do to some degree.
Yeah, probably the same in Poland.
So the, the grandmas, the kindof old, old, you know, ladies, they
were, wear a scarf on a, on,on the hair.
And this is not because theyare, they have thinning hair.

(01:54:17):
This is not because they aremodest or anything.
This is alchemical practice todo with women knowing that they are
catching the energy of the, ofthe stars, of the sun, of Venus into
their hair and then they putthe scarf so that they kind of, of

(01:54:38):
contain this energy so thatthey, they, they keep this energy
and then you know, some of thestories in Poland say that when a
woman, after she would havecollected all this energy, when she
took off that scarf and shekind of started to, to flutter it
like stars, like literallystar stars, you know, like light

(01:54:58):
was kind of coming from it.
It was, it was the, it wasthat energy that kind of collected
energy that, that they would,they would have kept.
So it had nothing to do.
This is not like the Muslimkind of scarf covering women to do
with that.
It was totally differentpurpose and it's still, it's still
cultivated.
So, so the sort of threereference points, Venus, sun and

(01:55:21):
the stars at night, givingwomen sort of certain type of energies
that women would very oftencatch into the, into the hair.
And this is why you also alsosee a lot of women in, in older cultures
that are braiding the hair.

(01:55:42):
Right?
So they would, they would sortof create a, you know what I mean?
Right.
With the, with the plate or,or a braid, which is specifically
for.
This is the, the reference tothe DNA.
So those energies are.
These women are sendingsignals that they are aware of these,

(01:56:03):
these sort of connections thatthese energies are specifically activating
the DNA.
So a woman who very oftenwomen, even, even until now in, in
the folklore in Poland, inRussia, in a lot of Eastern Europe,
you will see women, especiallyif they have those sort of folklore

(01:56:26):
costumes, they will also havethe hair done in two or one sun braid.
It, it would be, it would bebraided as a symbol of the connection
with the, with the, with thatenergy that activates the, the DNA.
So of course, these women arenot, you know, physics teachers or
biology teachers.

(01:56:47):
This is just a symbolic representation.
These women would have beeninitiated into this knowledge, you
know, from mother to daughter,grandmother, etc, and, and, and that
would, it would be passed downmore as a tradition rather than science.
But that was, that was one ofthe kind of signaling ways.

(01:57:07):
Interesting.
Ola, thank you so much forjoining us.
Absolutely.
No, I really enjoyed theconversation even when it got a little
dicey or heated.
I live for that.
Sometimes the majority of ouraudience is female, actually not
like 90%, but more femalesthan males.
So what advice or what finalwords do you have for the listeners

(01:57:31):
that are women?
And also, please share howthey can be supported by you or learn
more about you and your work.
Absolutely.
So I think I, I would sayfirst of all that there is nobody
that can teach you anything.
There's nobody that should beguiding you.

(01:57:52):
Especially, especially for,for women.
A woman needs to, needs tosort of feel this as a deep knowing
inside of Her.
And, and I think a lot of thatliterally can happen the last 10
minutes of our conversation.
Please go outside and have ameaningful time out there.
And, and perhaps if you feelguided, start doing the, the kind

(01:58:15):
of things that we talkedabout, including, if possible, if
at all possible.
I feel a woman.
It's really, it's really goodif a woman can plant something of
her own, perhaps something,some kind of food, something.
And I'm gonna tell you whyit's not, it's not, it's not just

(01:58:36):
so that she can have thefruits of it.
It's literally because women,we are, we are the creators.
So it's almost like you'reactivating, creating this connection
with the earth and the fertility.
It's about the fertility.
It's about running your ownfertility, which goes way beyond
planting a garden.
It goes.
It's about birthing certainthings into your life.

(01:58:57):
So, so the more you can attendto that garden and, and you can literally
pour yourself into that gardenon many levels, right, including
what we've discussed, the moreof that is going to be flowing into.
To your life.
So this is about flowing, youknow, the horn of plenty, right,
which is, of course, in awoman, the fallopian tubes, horn

(01:59:19):
of plenty connected to thewell, the, the, the, the sort of
egg of life, right, which isthe, the ovaries.
So, so that's one of the, oneof the ideas for, for women.
I would, if anybody wants tolearn a little bit more, including
perhaps, perhaps a little bitmore on that logical aspect, why

(01:59:42):
does that work?
And not just the diving intothe alchemy, I, I recommend having
a look perhaps at my websitewhere I try to explain it all.
I, I have some webinars thatare absolutely dealing with all these
topics, but fully, fullyexhausting them because there's only
so much we can do in two hours.

(02:00:02):
So, so you can, you can alsohave a look there.
I've developed some disciplinelately to organize my interviews
into my own YouTube channel sothat you guys don't have to go looking
after my name all over YouTube.
So you, you may as well, ofcourse, have access to some free
resources.
And if somebody wants to reachout in person, please do that too.

(02:00:25):
I also organize getaways,events here in the Arctic.
Why?
Because this place isabsolutely special.
There is a very, veryprimordial energy here.
Stories go, legends go very,very far and very powerful.
So if you would like toexperience that, I can, I can promise

(02:00:50):
you that masks will fall,illusions will break, and there will
be a, A breakthrough momentfor, for many people here.
So please reach out for thatas well.
I would love.
Amazing.
I can only imagine what it'slike being up there.
Like I, I, it's, it sounds magical.
Well, I honestly, you know,I'm not from here, so I'm, I think,

(02:01:13):
I hope I'm quite objective.
But I would say that, youknow, from the places that I visited
across the world, some of themhave this very spiritual kind of,
kind of marketing around them.
I honestly feel that herespecifically I'm talking lon area,
you can look it up.
London, Lofoten area.

(02:01:34):
I would say that this isprobably one of the most, if not
the most powerful place that Ihave ever been to.
Yeah.
Thank you so much again andit's so interesting.
I know we talked about when westarted, you said, oh, my story isn't,
you know, isn't that much.
And then just seeing someonefrom Poland in the oil and gas world,
engineer and now ending up innorth of Norway doing what you do

(02:01:57):
is, is really fascinating andinteresting and cool.
So maybe, maybe not the mostcommon thing to do.
Definitely not.
Definitely not.
Allah, thank you so much foryour time.
Everyone else, thanks forlistening and we'll see you guys
next time.
Take care.
Bye.
Thank you so much.

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