Ep 251 - Alec Zeck | Make Yourself Great Again: Power, Purpose & Building Real Community - Here For The Truth

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Today we are joined byhusband, father, former army captain,
co creator of Confluence,producer of the End of COVID series,
creator and host of the WayForward podcast and platform, best
known as a failed handball professional.
Welcome.
Welcome back for the live.
Alex, you ain't lying.

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Yeah, that is true.
Welcome back, bro.
Good to be back.
Yeah.
Dude, I've been looking at my bio.
Like, when?
This is the third time in thelast two weeks that someone's read
it to me for something thatI've done.
I'm just like.
It makes me want to throw up.
Why?
I don't know, man.
Just like listing all.
I don't know, it's just liketrying to bolster up a reputation

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or something.
It just seems very.
Okay, you have an opportunityright now.
What is your new bio?
Let the audience know.
What do you want them to knowabout you?
I'm a dude who is shocked thatI've end up here and grateful.
Yeah, that's it.
That's amazing.

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By the way, I wrote that bio.
I didn't get it from anyparticular source where Alec had
listed all his achievements.
Yeah, well.
Well, listen, I want to askyou this question.
So for the last, like, I wouldsay like five years, you've been
a.
A loyal foot soldier of theIlluminati, but you just turned 33
years old and, you know,you've been crowned and appointed

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with a new position.
So can you let us.
Can you talk about that?
Yeah, man.
So my birthday party was at asecret location yesterday.
Bill Clinton was there.
Hillary Clinton Epstein is alive.
I can confirm that he wasthere too.
He's doing the typical ritualstuff that we like to do on a 33rd
birthday.

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Surprisingly, Justin Bieberwas the keynote speaker last night
and he had a lot to say aboutwhen he was younger, man.
It was.
It was a really cool experience.
And why was Diddy acquitted, bro?
Diddy was acquitted becausehe's actually like, just gay and

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all the politicians are gayand they don't.
I feel like this is too dark now.
I'm not.
All right, back to original programming.
Oh, man.
For real, though, man, I just,like, for real, just.
I want to give a shout out to you.
I appreciate you, man.
So much love.
So much respect for who youare, how you stand up in the world,
what you've built, what you'vecreated, the community around you.

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And, you know, we're gratefulto know you and, you know, grateful
to have been a part ofConfluence and.
And yeah, man, just reallyappreciate you and excited to see
where things go for you in the future.
You have a beautiful family and.
Yeah, man, it's.
It's amazing.
Like I said to you on yourbirthday, it's amazing to kind of
share space in this world withyou and to know you and.
I love you, bro.

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I love you, too.
Yeah, man, I. I love you guysso much.
I consider you both dear friends.
In all seriousness, though, Iam so grateful and blessed to be
33, thriving husband, fatherof three beautiful children, doing
what I love to do andproviding for my family in the process.

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I don't know of anythingbetter than that, really.
You know, like, that's.
That's the epitome of success,in my opinion.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's.
It's incredible.
It's.
I feel very fulfilled, very grateful.
Yeah.
How you guys going navigatingthe three of them now?
Yeah, the adjustment from twoto three is exceptional, but it's

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also coming at a time whenwe're just coming off of Confluence
and all the stuff that goesinto Confluence and planning that.
It's.
It's a lot.
It's.
It's a ton of work in additionto Kylie's in homeopathy school right
now, so balancing that out.
And then we just moved fromour old house, put it on the market,
sold it, and then moved into anew house and had a very tight window

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to move right after Confluence.
So, yeah, like, it was a lotto adjust, but it's also beautiful.
It's.
It's brings an element ofchaos into our home.
And it's a beautiful mirrorfor us, Kylie and I, to have to.
Or to learn to be okay despiteexternal circumstances, learn to

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regulate in the face of morechaos, more messes and things like
this.
And that's a huge challengefor me.
And I don't know if this is mymilitary programming or the result
of growing up with a prettyauthoritarian father.
Like, I.
My physical space, thecleanliness of it, is paramount to

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me.
Like, I. I have to havecleanliness around me.
Otherwise I feel like my mindfeels a little bit messy.
So I'm learning to have aclear mind, to be still, to not feel
tense despite messes allaround me.
Like, 24, seven right now.
And we've had family visitingfrom Italy over the last two and
a half weeks.
Kylie's sister, they have sixkids, so we've had nine kids in our

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house for the last two weeks,and that's been chaos.
But it's.
It's always a beautifulopportunity to, like, make sure no
matter what's going onexternally, you can feel present
and centered internally.
And you got to feel thosefeelings too.
Like I will say, since havinga third.
And again, I don't know ifit's a function of all the things

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that have been occurring allat the same time, because for most
people, just a new baby wouldbe enough to send them, you know,
spiraling, even if it's justtheir first.
Right.
Let alone a third, let alone a festival.
I forgot.
I, like, almost fractured myankle and like, my ankle was purple
and massively swollen justbefore confluence, all those things.

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And yeah, it's just, it's justa beautiful opportunity to get still
and get present.
Yeah.
In the face of all of it.
But yeah.
Yeah, man.
Bro, what.
What role does purpose play inyour life?
What do you mean by that?
I mean, like, we have.
You have all these beautifulthings, family, etc, but like, what

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role does have?
What role does having, like aclear path forward in terms of I
know who I am, I know what I'mbuilding, I know what I'm creating.
There's an objective that'skind of driving the trajectory of
my life.
What role does that play?
Yeah, clear.
Way forward, bro.
Yeah.

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I would say at this point intime, relative to other points in
my life, that purpose plays avery big role.
I feel very driven with themission that we have with the Way
Forward, to bring that intoreality and bring that to people
who need to hear it and helpget people who are more on the voluntarist,

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natural health side of thingstogether in community, locally, in
person.
Like, that's, that's a hugepurpose of mine.
I feel like I'm very driven bythat purpose.
And that's like, I mean, yousee it on my social media.
That's like all I share about now.
I mean, I'll share aboutthings that are going on in the world,
but it's ultimately to usethat as an example for why we need
together in person, incommunity, get together, form local

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groups, local connections.
Like, we need that at thispoint in time.
We need that decentralized wayof organizing in order to make the
old paradigms obsolete.
I just think it's.
It's paramount.
So I feel very driven by thatpurpose with our organization.
The Way Forward right now.
I don't know if that answersyour question, Joel, but, like, it

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plays a significant role right now.
Yeah.
Cool.
Do you want to speak into, ifyou had the floor right now, what
is the greater vision of theWay Forward?
You touched on a little bitthere, but to zoom in a little deeper,
you know, what is yourultimate vision here?
Yeah, man, this Is this issomething I've been forming over

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the course of the last likereally three to four years.
So I'll just back up and sayback in late 2021, about a year into
Health Freedom for Humanity, Isaw a need to help people find each
other locally.
So that's when I startedcoming up with the idea for what
we have now, which is theability to type in your zip or postal

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code, set a geolocation, nomatter where you are in the world,
and easily find like mindedpeople near you, health and freedom
oriented businesses near you,which includes practitioners, farms,
alternative schools, etcetera, et cetera.
Basically like anything,anyone who's on the same page as
us, who just gets it,whatever, this cross section of Truth
Health Freedom Consciousnessis basically being the hub for that,

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to help people form localconnections based on those things,
right?
And it's taken three years tobring that vision into reality through
like a series of road bumpsand blocks in various ways and different
web teams we've had to workwith and website attacks and just
a bunch of stuff.
And the ultimate vision thoughthat I have for the way forward is

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that no matter where you goacross the world, if you move somewhere
or if you're just visitingsomewhere, you can type in your zipper
postal code and instantly findall of the people in our community,
so to speak, that are in that area.
All of the farms, all the rawmilk farms, all of the permaculture

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display sites, all thepermaculture farms, all of the farms
you can buy directly from thatare doing grass fed, grass, finished
beef, et cetera, et cetera,all of the alternative schools in
that area that are like trulyalternative because a lot of the
Waldorf and Montessori schoolswere pushing a lot of the measures
during COVID which fly in theface of what Montessori in Waldorf
is supposed to be.
But like the truly like mindedones, all of the practitioners that

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are on the same page as us,you can instantly plug into that
and you're like in, in your area.
And then as, as we notice alarge amount of people and we're
already seeing trends in this direction.
For example, in the Austinarea we see a lot of people on our
platform.
In the really central Texasarea, on the east coast of Australia,
we're getting more and morepeople on our platform in Southern

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California and in NorthernCalifornia we're getting more and
more people on our platform inthe northeastern part of the United
States, really in the, in likethe Massachusetts area, maybe parts
of the New York area as well.
We're getting a lot of people.
And what we ultimately want todo is then start literal the Way
forward centers in those places.
We don't know what to callthem yet.

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And we don't have like aformulated plan for this yet.
We're still developing it, butwe want to start literal community
centers in that area.
That is a play on thetraditional community center where
on a, on a daily basis thereare yoga classes, movement classes,
workshops on a variety of topic.
Maybe if there's enough appealfor this, a homeschooling hub, like

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a homeschool co op operatingout of there.
Maybe a permaculture designdisplay site with also a certified
like permaculture designerthat can work out of there.
And people can consult withalso a biofield tuning practitioner,
a mile field myofascialrelease therapist, a Germany medicine
practitioner, a homeopathoperating out of there.

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And then on a weekly basis,kind of like evangelical churches
do what, what I would like todo ultimately.
I don't know if you guys haveever heard of like Life Church or
Hillsong Church.
These big mega churches thathave multiple campuses and they'll
have their local pastordeliver a sermon, right?
But then the main pastor ofHillsong Church will be at one of

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the campuses and deliver asermon that is then broadcasted to
all the other campuses.
Or if you don't show up to aphysical in person campus, you can
view it online.
So what we would like to do islike have local people at that specific
community center share, youknow, whatever they're working on,
whether it's a presentation onhuman design or something like Germany

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medicine or another frameworkfor cancer or something to do with
terrain theory or someconsciousness related topic.
And then we fly out Dr. GeraldPollock to the, to the Wisconsin
location and he's the keynotespeaker for that week that delivers
a message based on his topicthat is then broadcasted to all the
other community centers acrossthe world and to anyone who is a

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member of the Way Forward.
And it's just a way tocontinue to cultivate in person community
sort of these nodal pointsacross the world of coherence, of
health, of freedom and a placefor people to congregate and gather.
And then people who have localproducts that they're making or selling
local foods.
There could be a little smallmarketplace inside.

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And this is like a really big vision.
It would take a lot ofinfrastructure to do it.
But I feel so called to do it.
I mean, you guys get it.
You've been to Confluence andMusic and sky, like those gatherings
are life changing.
What if we had the opportunityto do that locally as much as we
wanted to?

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And I'm not saying that weneed to be doing gatherings like
that, to that level on aconsistent basis, but just being
a, like, like what you do yourOsmos and Topanga with just the gatherings
that you and Sophie held on aconsistent basis, how fulfilling
was that?
How validating was that?
How much ease did that bringto your nervous system knowing you

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had your people around you?
No matter what happens inCalifornia, you're going to be good.
Right?
Like, no matter what.
Right.
It's so, it's so validatingand it's, it's, it helps, it helps
actualize some of theseabstract ideas regarding voluntarism,
regarding health that we, thatare sort of conceptual at this point.

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It helps bring them into actuality.
But it also is so incrediblyvalidating that, oh, this is a legitimate
path.
It doesn't matter what themainstream is doing.
I can continue diving deep,authentically into this paradigm
because this feels right.
This just feels right in here.
And when you have other peoplearound you who are on the same path,
it's just even more validatingand you double down on that and then

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you begin actually bringinginto being the new paradigms that
we want to create.
And I'm not saying that myideas for how people should locally
gather are the ideas like whatwe want to be with.
The Way Forward is just theplatform to facilitate the local
connections.
And then the, the needs ofsomeone or a group of people in Southern

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California are going to becompletely different than the needs
and wants of a group, say, in Mississippi.
That's just how it is.
And we don't want to be thedictatorial entity that's like, you
will adhere to the Way Forwardstandards on all these things.
No, we just want to be theplatform for people who are health
and freedom oriented,typically leaning more towards voluntarist.

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But we're not going to be exclusive.
We're like, you're a conservative.
No, you're not going to be apart of this.
Or you're more liberal, butyou're opposed to X, Y and Z things
that we also agree with.
You're not going to be a partof this.
That's not, that's not the message.
We're going to continue fromthe Way Forward platform to share
a voluntarious message,because I personally think that that's
the most appropriate politicalframework, if you want to call it

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that.
But we just want to be the hubto facilitate these connections,
to make it incredibly easy andit is like, it's, it's so cool.
You've already had multiplepeople message us.
Like, one of our members whojust joined in the last month in
Georgia found a practitioneron our platform and he's now working
with that practitioner andhe's getting amazing health results.
And he reached out to us andhe's like, dude, this is so incredible.

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I've already had multiplepeople find their friends locally.
It's, that's, that's what weneed, dude.
We put out a poll, I put out apoll on multiple social media channels
basically saying you foundyour health and freedom community
online.
Are you struggling to findyour health and freedom community
in person?
I think again, Austin, we'rein a unique situation.
I would imagine the same thingfor San Miguel and probably where

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you are in Topanga.
You've already found a lot ofyour like minded people and that's
awesome.
But what was so shocking to mewhen putting out these polls on x
Telegram Instagram, 95 ofpeople said they're still struggling
to find their health andfreedom community in person.
It's true.
So then what happens, right?
Like when, when you don't feelvalidated in your physical reality,

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you automatically turn to this again.
This, this, this is, this ismy community right here.
And I'm just staring at thisbecause this is where I feel validation.
This is where I feel validation.
But it's not a replacement forreal life.
It will never replace real life.
It definitely won't, man.
I mean, listen, it's greatthat we've created online communities.
You've created such a massivecommunity for people to come together.

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But like you said, music inSky, Confluence, any other events
that are similar to that,there is no replacement to.
When I see you or I see Joelin person and I give you guys a huge
big hug and we're sittingthere and we're in each other's field
and we're laughing and, andwe're talking smack to each other,
but there's so much physical contact.

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It's like we need the physicaltouch, you know, it's not a luxury,
it's a necessity.
I mean, my wife did her wholedissertation on touch.
And so it's like, like you can't.
There's no replacement forlike, the thing is, like you said,
people are then what, touchingtheir phones all the time.
Yeah, it's this, man.
And like, don't get me wrong,that's how I found you guys.
It's incredible that we foundeach other via these things.
But then if you're exclusivelydoing this as a means to connect

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with, quote, community that islike minded.
You're just falling into theperpetual trap of not forming actual
community in the real world.
That is how we actualizesolutions that make these systems
and paradigms obsolete.
It starts with real world connection.
And the real change happens atthe micro level, happens with the

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individual first, then comingtogether in community and spreading
out that way, as opposed to,you know, one person making a decision
for how everyone should act ina state, in a country, or whatever
the case may be.
And so, yeah, man, I'm alwaysan advocate of people finding, finding
the others, finding yourpeople and, and doing your thing
and being focused on thatinstead of being focused on everything

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else that's serving as a distraction.
And sure, you can go to yourphone to have community, but how
many other things are therepulling on your attention, dude,
that in a grand scheme ofthings, probably shouldn't be things
you're giving energy to.
Yeah, I'm still guilty of thatmyself too.
Like such a, it's such a weirdthing even say for me when it comes

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to, like, commentary onpolitical things, I will be totally
transparent and say there's apiece of me with this Epstein situation
that wants to be like, I toldyou, I told you people, I told you,
like, it's been obvious fromthe get go regarding Trump.
And then another piece of meis like, dude, you've been scrolling
on Twitter for 30 minutes.
You were scrolling on Twitterfor 30 minutes, like two hours ago,

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looking at what people are saying.
You are now giving your powerin attention to Trump.
You are now putting Trump'spower on a pedestal.
You know what I mean?
And it's like, it's such adelicate balance.
I'll speak for myself betweenusing these examples, just as I use
what virologists say or whatFauci would have said in order to

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use it as an example, to showwhy it's absolute nonsense.
Right?
But then also feeding thatsame paradigm and also like then
being glued into this becauseI'm like, oh my God, look at how,
look at how distract.
Look at how distracted and howmuch people's attention are caught
up by this mess.
And now my.
I'm being distracted and myattention is being pulled into this

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too.
Yeah, let me ask you this,man, because we've had this conversation
before and this is something Italk about often.
I know we have this idea ofcertainty and that there's so many
things that we can't becertain of, and yet often we fall
into the trap of, like,thinking that we're certain about
certain things.
So I don't need to get intodetails, but, like, even with this

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whole Epstein thing, there'soutrageous things happening.
Trump's saying this and that,but, like, us normal people that
aren't on the inside and who knows?
Like, we don't really freakingknow what the heck is happening on
a geopolitical level on allthese things.
And yet this need forcertainty, this need to pronounce

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what is happening and what'sgoing on, and I'm right.
Like, I feel like we need tocheck ourselves because we don't
really know.
And so when we, when weapproach things from a certainty
place, that's like the signpost.
And I'm not saying we can't becertain about anything, but with
some of these matters, like,it's just like, I like to approach
them as best as I can with,like, this deep curiosity.
And just like, that's interesting.

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Well, that's, that's what hesaid now, like, as opposed to, like,
proclaiming, like, I have theanswer and I have the truth now,
and this is exactly what's happening.
That's just my opinion on that.
Feel free to share your thoughts.
Yeah, I think, for example,like, my, my comment, I agree with
you.
100.
100.
And my.
100%.
100% agree with me.
Are you, are you 100 certain?

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All right, 94.
94.
Perfect.
But I agree with you.
I do agree with you.
And my commentary related to,for example, Trump is also stemming
from seeing people who wouldostensibly be in the same camp as

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me put Trump on a pedestalwhere he can do no wrong and is really
taking on the characteristics,whether it's Trump initiating this
or someone else.
I tend to think it's Trumpinitiating it by some of the words
and things that he says andpeople in his cabinet sort of playing
on that savior archetype, butputting him in this position where

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he can do no wrong andoutsourcing so much power and authority
to him.
And for me, like, I, I like tolook at the factual, publicly available
information.
Now, to be clear, could therebe more going on?
Is there more going on behindthe scenes?
Just based on my own directexperience when it comes to military
things, and I had, I never hada secret or top secret clearance

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or anything above that.
I had just a normal securityclearance in the military.
I don't even remember whatit's called.
What's your, what's yourclearance in the Illuminati, though?
Above Top secret.
But in, in all seriousness,just what I witnessed doing like
we, we would do what's calledWARF fighter exercises where we would

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simulate going to war with,for example, North Korea.
Right.
And just in my field ofawareness, in my little silo, I was
in working, I think at thistime I was an assistant operations
officer.
I don't remember exactly whatmy position was, but whatever.
And we were literallysimulating going to war with North

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Korea because the unit that Iwas stationed with, 1st Brigade,
1st infantry to Division, Iwas with 116 infantry, but I was
working on a division leveloperation in the.
I think it was called the talk.
It's.
So I was just talking to Kylieabout this yesterday.
I like did a brain dump when Igot out of the army because I also
spent two out of my last threeyears in the army playing a sport.

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So some of these terms I don't remember.
But nonetheless, like, I'm inthis big division level tent, which
is a, like very high leveltent within a unit, and we're simulating
going to war with North Koreabecause that was in roughly 2017
when we.
There's a lot of tensionbetween the US and North Korea.
The reason I bring this up isbecause I would see what the mainstream

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media was saying about thingsand know internally in various ways
they were either exaggeratingthings or manipulating things on
both sides based on theinformation we were receiving regarding
North Korea.
Does that make sense?
So that leads me to believethat there are things happening behind

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the scenes that the public hasno clue about.
And with that being said, whenI look at the history, especially
of like the Soviet Union withpsychological, psychological operations,
I forget the exact operationthat was employed during Soviet Russia
that was very similar to whatQ is claimed to be, right?

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And so many people sort offalling into that trap and like another
conversation could be had,like, why do you feel the need to
publicly comment on that anyway?
That's their path.
They need to, you know, learnthemselves, right.
And like, there's, there'svalidity in that.
And I also am going to commenton what I feel desired to comment
on based on my perspective, right?

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Because I've formed aperspective and I am simply commenting
based on my own perspectiveand what I see.
Right.
And I, and I choose sometimesto comment, sometimes I don't now,
regarding the certainty ofwhat's happening behind the scenes
with like Epstein or anythinglike that.
I like to look at the publiclyavailable information that is factually
accurate with respect to whatTrump has and has not done, has and

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has not said.
And when we simply look atthat he initiated Operation Warp
Speed.
He signed the CARES act,resulting in the largest transfer
of wealth to the 1% in modern history.
He repeatedly encouragedpeople to get the vaccine, praise
the vaccine, over and over again.
Called himself the father ofthe vaccine.
He is one of the he, he,through multiple executive orders,

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helped expedite the rollout of5G millimeter wave technology and
infrastructure across theUnited States.
The list goes on and on.
For example, he nominatedScott Gottlieb as FDA Commissioner.
When Scott Gottlieb wasserving as FDA commissioner, he expedited
the approval process ofexperimental drugs.
Scott Gottlieb then leaves thefda, joins Pfizer, where Pfizer has,
through Operation Warp Speed,an experimental drug approved or

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expedited in its approval process.
He talked about taking gunsfirst and then handling due process
second, which flies in theface of the Constitution like, the
point is based on his actualactions, they are not in line with
what people are claiming thathe is doing and they're not in alignment

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with my values and my principles.
So given that ostensibly theseother people are professing to be
in alignment with those valuesand principles related to freedom,
non aggression, etc.
Etc.
I like to call out thecontradiction in that in an attempt

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to hopefully help people seeit a different way.
But am I certain of what'sgoing on behind the scenes?
No.
But the slippery slope ofthat, when you again, look at the
public, easily identifiableactions of someone like Trump, the
slippery slope is then, oh,there's an operation of white hats

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behind the scenes who areinitiating things unbeknownst to
us and we just need to trustthe plan.
And like, very few people cansay, okay, maybe that's true and
I'm going to pretend it's not,so that I'm not outsourcing my power
and continuing to grow,cultivate freedom, resiliency, awareness,

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health, et cetera, et cetera,internally expanding outward.
Very few people can hold bothof those things.
Very few.
I have a couple of friends whoadmittedly believe in Q and also
are like, but I'm not hangingmy hat up on that.
Most of the people I see hangtheir hat up on that and are continuing

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to outsource their power.
And then what I'm coming tobelieve based on my own experience
and exploration about water, per.
Let's say it like this.
Water permeating all facets ofreality, right?
Water permeates all facets of reality.
If Veda Austin's work and theMaharishi Effect, which is a well
documented phenomenon, andalso mass psychogenic illness, like

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Daniel Reuters talks about,are any indication of our inherent
power as human beings,unbeknownst to us of just our perpetual
thought energy orientedtowards something that would then
lead me to believe that when alot of people are focusing their

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thought energy on Trump,outsourcing their power to them,
that is then giving him morepower, and it's sucking the power
away from them to bring, youknow, what they want into their own
lives.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, it does make sense.
I mean, I. I agree in thesense that people should not be outsourcing

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their power and wasting alltheir time diving down every single
rabbit hole related topoliticians and what's going on when
most of that doesn't reallyimpact their day to day.
And what they really, if youreally ask them deep down, they want
to accomplish and what theywant to experience in their life.
So it serves as a major distraction.
And I do agree that it's rarefor people to stand between the tension

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of opposites and live that way and.
And, you know, maybe be opento one thing and then at the same
time, like, continue to liveon purpose and live with intention.
And so what is it.
What does it mean to outsourceone's power?
Like we say this term sooften, we throw it around.
Let's kind of have a general discussion.
What does it mean?
What does it look like whensomeone's outsourcing their power?

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Okay, that can be done inmultiple ways.
Right.
So when it comes tooutsourcing power metaphysically,
and this is like, not gonna bean exhaustive list, but I've.
I've thought about this quitea bit.
So being more specificregarding Veda, Austin's work.
So Veda.
Have you guys had Veda on?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, so you've had Veda on.
But for.
For those who are unfamiliarwith Veda's work, Veda is basically

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expanding on the work of Dr.Masara Moto and demonstrating, I
would say, fairly conclusivelythat water is impacted in its physical
orientation by everythingmetaphysically and physically in
its environment.
And what I mean by that isthat Veda will take a petri dish
of water, expose it to awritten word, a picture, a song,

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a feeling, a thought, a.
Have someone 4,000 miles awayset the intention of projecting what
they're thinking onto thewater that Veda is holding, set it
next to her bedside when she'sdreaming, um, expose water to literally
anything, and water willchange its physical.
Did I freeze?
Yeah.

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You've been freezing a little bit.
Yeah.
The camera's got.
The camera's been going in and out.
Your audio is fine, but you'vebeen freezing video wise here.
I can do this.
Do you want me to switch cameras?
Sure, yeah, let's just do that.
Or I could.
I don't want to have to sendyou guys the camera stuff afterwards.
I don't know if it was anInternet thing.
No, it's.
It's.
This is this camera.
So that would.
That would have been a good reel.

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Which one?
The vid.
Austin one.
I can restart it.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.
Then we'll.
Yeah.
Is that better?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
It's not gonna be as clear.
Well, no, it's fine.
It's.
It's a different framing, but it's.
It's all good.
One second.

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All right, cool.
Okay, let me back up.
So I've thought about thisquite a bit when it comes to, like,
what does it mean actually tooutsource your power?
So going back to what I wassaying and being more specific regarding
Veda Austin and her work,she's basically expanded on the work

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of Dr. Masaru Moto and made itaccessible to lay people.
What I mean by that is Beta isdemonstrating, I would say, pretty
conclusively that water isimpacted in terms of its physical
orientation based on what itwas exposed to in its environment.
And of course people wouldsay, okay, that makes like, duh,

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you put chemicals inside ofwater, of course it's going to impact
it.
And that's not what I mean.
I'm saying water alone,without being physically touched
by something, is impacted bythings in its environment, both metaphysically
and physically.
So being more specific, she'lltake water in a petri dish and set
it on top of a written word inany language or a picture.

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Or have water sitting next toa song playing, or focus her thoughts
and feelings and direct ittowards water, or maybe even not
direct it towards water.
Just have it sitting next to her.
Or set it next to her bedsideat night while she's dreaming.
Or have someone 4,000 milesaway set the intention of taking
what they're thinking aboutand projecting it onto the water

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that Veda is sitting with.
She then freezes it using thisunique freezing method.
And visible to the naked eyein the water repeatedly.
And other people repeat herprocess across the world are is basically
water's own artisticrepresentation of what it was just

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exposed to.
And then she also has thissubcategory which are called hydroglyphs,
which is where, let's say shewrites the word gratitude, or there's
a picture that representsgratitude, or she Herself is feeling
very grateful.
Or it's a song that's aboutgratitude or something like this,
right?
Sets water next to it.
Water will reflect back thesame symbol repeatedly related to

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gratitude.
So she's identified, I think, 60.
Don't quote me on that.
Hydroglyphs, which is wherewater has its own symbol for that
specific thing.
So where my mind goes.
And I'm not.
I'm not claiming with 100%certainty that this is correct.
Although, again, we could talkabout the Maharishi effect.

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We could also.
Also talk about masspsychogenic illness, mass social
contagion.
I have some incredibleexamples of both of those things
that I'd love to bring up as well.
But where my mind goes is thatgiven we are comprised largely of
water, 70% by volume, 99%water, molecularly given water permeates

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all facets of this reality.
At the very least, otherbiological beings, other human beings,
et cetera, et cetera.
Given that water, per Veda'swork, per Masara Mota's work, and
the work of other people istremendously impacted by our perpetual
thoughts and feelings, is itpossible that when an individual,

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and more importantly acollective of people orient their
thought energy towards onespecific thing, that they are then
giving rise to that thing occurring?
I would say possible.
Possible, right.
And then we go back to on.
I'll cover both sides of this coin.
Like collective thoughtenergy, right?

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And thought energy, like Idefine that as thoughts and feelings
aligned, oriented towardssomething consistently or perpetually.
That's.
That's how I define it.
I don't know if that's thefucking correct definition.
That's how I define it.
So the Maharishi effect is aneffect where.

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And is specifically looking atTranscendental med.
Meditation, but I think itapplies beyond Transcendental Meditation.
But for example, this group of4,000 people met consistently to
meditate with the intention tolower the crime in Washington D.C.
over a certain period of time.

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And after they had met tomeditate over a certain period of
time, the crime rate inWashington D.C. decreased by 23%.
And when you look at the Pvalue, because they looked for all
these other possibleexplanations like changes in weather,
changes in, you know, otherlike legislation, maybe things like

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this that occurred inWashington D.C. and nothing else
had occurred that wouldindicate it had an impact on the
crime rate, let's say, right?
But when you look at the Pvalue of this specific study, so
any p value 0.05 or lowerbasically indicates high statistical

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significance.
The P value of this specificstudy related to these 4000 people
meditating in the crimelowering by 23% was 0.000000002,
something like that.
It was like 8 zeros, 9 zerosand then a 2.
So this statisticalsignificance was off the charts.

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Meaning there was a incrediblystrong correlation between the group
of people meditating and thenthe crime lowering.
Now you can't say with 100%certainty that there is a causal
relationship in that, butthere is an incredible P value.
Right?
What's a P value?
P value basically determinesstatistical significance when looking
at a study.

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Okay.
It's a statistical metricessentially like that, that, that
shows based on the data howstatistically significant it is and
how likely these two thingsare to be related.
To be higher P value meansthere, there could be more other
valuables impacting results.
Say again, with a higher Pvalue that would mean that there's

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potential other variablesimpacting the results.
Yeah.
If I remember correctly on howto state this and I, I, this is like
a perfect example of anotherbrain dump because I majored in systems
engineering and I had to lookat P values.
Right, Bro, that's why I havechat gbt.
Come on, look it up for me todouble check me.
Yeah.
A P value, short forprobability value, is a statistical
measure that helps youdetermine whether the results of

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a study or experiment are significant.
Definition.
The P value tells you theprobability of getting the observed
results or more extremeresults if the null hypothesis were
true.
Correct.
Yeah.
So that's essentially what I'm saying.
So basically the P value withthis is off the charts.
And there are countless otherstudies when it comes to the Maharishi
effect that would indicatethere is a strong likelihood that

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a collective group of peopleorienting their thought energy towards
a specific intention has ameasurable effect on that thing.
And there's also otherexamples of random number generators
being impacted by people.
There's examples of robotsthat are like automated robots being
impacted in the way they are moving.

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Right.
Like robots on wheels.
I think in one of the examples.
There'S many examples in mycurrent backgammon winning streak
against Erasmus intentionallyrolling the correct dice that I need.
Yeah.
And then your osmosis is over there.
Self loathing.
It wasn't a three game winningstreak that you, that you ended.
Who's the champ?
You're the current champ.
You're the current champ.
Enough said.
Continue.

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But I, I think you guys getwhat I'm getting at.
Does that sufficiently answerit on that side of things?
Yeah, it does.
It does.
Okay, then there's a Wholeseparate category though, which is
the, the inverse to that,which is mass psychogenic, mass psychogenic
illness or mass social contagion.
And Daniel Royes covers thisin his book can you catch a cold?
And like, maybe I'veextrapolated to too much on this,
but I think it applies outsideof illness as well.

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Again, given that waterpermeates all facets of reality,
what VADE is showing withwater, what the Maharishi effect
shows on the flip side of this.
So when you have large amountsof people that.
I'll just give it, give theexample and did you guys have Daniel
Ross on?
We haven't.
Okay, I'm gonna steal Daniel'sthunder then.

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So in his book he covers thisexample where a drug in New Zealand,
an antidepressant goes offpatent so other companies can make
their own generic version ofit, right?
So this generic form of thisantidepressant comes out and a bunch

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of people began reporting sideeffects to whatever New Zealand's
adverse events reportingsystem is.
And there's 27 side effectsbeing reported across the board.
Like 27 common side effects, right.
So as more side effect reportsstart coming in, the mainstream media
in New Zealand decides to runa story on this drug.

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For whatever reason, we canonly speculate, they only named six
of the 27 common symptoms intheir report that is then broadcasted
to the masses.
Right.
What then ensued was adverseevents reports skyrocketed by some
crazy percentage.

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Like, like over 100% skyrocket.
I think it was like 200 to300% adverse events reports skyrocketed,
but only in six symptoms thatthe mainstream media had named, not
in the other 21 symptoms thatwere also commonplace.
And there are countlessexamples of this as well.

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And Daniel covers thembrilliantly in his book.
And of course there's theconcept in a lot of esoteric traditions
of an egregore, like a thoughtentity, right?
A thought form where if a lotof people focus on one thing, it
creates some sort.
And this is getting prettyabstract, I'd say, but I tend to

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believe it that a lot ofpeople focus on energy, their thought
energy towards one thing witha lot of emotion behind it.
And it creates a sort ofdistortion that brings about real
world resorts.
Results, sorry, resultsrelated to that thing.
And of course we could talkabout the placebo nocebo effect and
how this applies, like ourthoughts about something, our thought

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energy on an individual level.
But even setting all of thataside, a whole separate category
is like going back tovoluntarism, quite literally.
Speaking.
And it's, it's wild when youlike really think about this.
The only reason that men andwomen in government have power is

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because a collective, and acollective is just a bunch of individuals
of people believe that men andwomen in government have power and
then based on thatfoundational belief, contract in
a variety of ways with thegovernment, thus reinforcing that

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belief.
So that's also what I mean bygiving away our power.
But even a separate categoryof that is that I've come to the
position that our foundationalbeliefs give rise to our thoughts,
our feelings, our words, our actions.
Do you guys disagree with that?

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You know, I don't really disagree.
I don't describe that.
Okay, so given that if you aresomeone who believes that this individual
holds more power than me, thisindividual is doing all the work
to help save this country,this individual is doing the work

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to help make my family better.
On one level, that couldcreate positive effects related to
that, ironically.
But on another level, whatmight that do to your day to day
actions?
If you fundamentally believethat foundationally.
Yeah.
You may not take as muchresponsibility for your life and

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the things that you can change.
Back to what we were sayingbefore at the more local level.
Exactly.
That's my whole point.
So when we look at acombination, like a constellation
of all those things, that'swhat I mean when it comes to outsourcing
one's own power.
And there's a whole slew ofother things that we could bring
up too.
Let me, let me take ahypothetical position.

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Is it possible that whatevershifts we're seeing now, even maybe
Trump coming into power orstepping in some level, came from
a previous collective urge for change?
Could be right?
Totally could be.
And like there's two distinctways to look at this, and I'll use

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RFK as the example becauseit's more apparent, at least in my
mind.
Right.
Rfk, just by the mere factthat he was even being considered
for HHS secretary or that hewas running for president previous
to that brought so many thingsto the table that now relative to
two years ago, you talk withsomeone about vaccines or seed oils

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or cold, cold plunging orsauna or like the harmful effects
of non native EMFs or justlike these, these very typical wellness
isms, if you will, are now theforefront on the minds of a lot more
people.
Like to where, I don't know,it may be different in Austin because

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this is like a wellness hub.
But I would think that youtake a sample of a hundred people
three years ago and bring upAny of those things, they'd be like,
what the.
What is that?
What are you talking about?
Yeah, versus now.
It's like, oh, shit.
Yeah, I've heard about that.
Yeah, I've looked into that alittle bit.
I listened to Huberman and JoeRogan and these other people or hopefully

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these podcasts.
But that is a positive effectof rfk.
I don't know if you guys sawthis morning, this podcast.
It won't be out for a coupleweeks currently July 17th.
But Trump apparently, CocaCola apparently agreed via Trump,
to only use cane sugar intheir products in the US that's dope.

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That's awesome.
And, like, I can objectivelycelebrate that.
That's awesome.
See, I think that's.
I think that's the thing isthat we can get so caught in just,
like, the negative and thenjust focus on that and not realize
that, like, life andgovernment and politics and just
being human is so complex, youknow, and even going back to what
we're talking about before,about positive effects, like, if
we did a poll in 2014 ofpeople's view of mainstream media,

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it would be a certain thing.
And then Trump, Maverick Trumpcomes in and he's just throwing around
fake news, fake news everywhere.
And today, I don't care ifyou're on the left or the right,
most people are highlydisillusioned with the mainstream
media.
Totally.
So it's like.
And I'm not sitting heresaying, like, I support Trump and
all that.
It's just, you know, like, Ithink most people not giving their

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power to the mainstream media.
I think Trump played a bigrole in that.
This is totally.
Dude, I totally agree.
But, like, here's.
Here's my issue with it.
And I covered this on a solopodcast that I did on.
On my show.
There were.
There was a large.
And this is just my own bias.
And I Fully willing to admitthat I'm a voluntarist.

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I don't even like that labelbecause they're like, there's some
nuance that I have related tomost people who profess to be voluntarist.
But for lack of a better term,categorically, I align more with
voluntarism.
Okay?
And as a voluntarist, Ibelieve foundationally that believing
that men and women haveauthority over other men and women
is immoral.

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And we could go use the wholeexample, like, is it right for you
to walk up to your neighborand be like, hey, I'm protecting
this neighborhood because Iwant to.
I'm going to take a certainpercentage of your income.
No, I feel like I can protect myself.
Well, unless you give me alittle bit of your income, I'm going
to take you and throw you inmy basement.
That's objectively, in myopinion, immoral.
Okay.
And so if we apply those samestandards to government and then

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we could get.
Have some conversations.
Well, did you consent to it?
Did you sign contracts withthe government, birth certificate,
all those things?
That is also worthwhileconversation to be had.
And I have those conversations.
But, like, I would like tothink that it's important to adhere
to standards and principles.
And I would like to think thatstandards and principles can be applied
universally.

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And when I see the currentform of government as it currently
sits, those standards are notapplied to men and women in government.
In addition to that, whenTrump entered office this year, I
saw a marked difference in howmany people who were previously pursuing

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alternative ways oforganizing, who are, like, interested
in these things, alternativestructures for society, who are like,
we need to get the.
We need to do whatever we canto make that paradigm obsolete.
Now being pulled back intobelieving in that same paradigm,
which is foundationally andagain, in my perspective, immoral

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in how it operates.
Let me ask you this question.
Let's remove the word powerfrom the equation for a second.
Yep.
Are you generally more hopefulof a Western trajectory led by Trump
than you would have been by a Kamala?
Generally speaking, do youhave a little bit more faith, a little

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bit more optimism of a generaldirection without thinking anything's
going to be perfect by any means?
Yes, but.
But here's why.
Yes, but here's why.
There's a caveat to that.
Okay.
So.
Yes, absolutely.
But not because of Trump.
Let me give you an example.
And this is.
I.
Thank you.
This is actually a perfectreminder for what I was going to
say earlier when Trump, whenit was clear that Trump won the election,

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before he was inaugurated,before any of the various supposed
policies that he was going tobring out of which, ironically, a
good majority of them have not happened.
And, like, whether it wasexpress policies or express intent,
like, no more new wars, nomore funding, like, whether it was
from him directly or people onhis platform.

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The war thing's interestingbecause he copped a lot of flack
with that Iran situation.
Many people.
Let's set that aside, though.
Let's set that aside.
We can.
Okay.
Because I just want to makethis point okay.
Before anything new hadactually changed in physical reality,
in terms of policy, any ofthat shit.
Right.
I and others noticed a markedbreath of Fresh air.

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Just based on the mere factthat Trump won the election.
But nothing had actually changed.
Biden was still in office, hispolicies were still being implemented.
Nothing had literally changedin reality at that point in time.
What changed was theperception of millions of people.

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So my question then, goingback to placebo, nocebo effect, mass
psychogenic illness, masssocial contagion, Maharishi effect,
is do we really require thatone individual is put into one position
in order to initiate that samefeeling that was felt amongst the

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masses of, I can be more freenow, I can do X, Y and Z, despite
no policy change at that pointin time?
You see what I'm getting at.
Yeah, I see what you'regetting at.
But obviously people stillheld the future potential of what?
Of what?
You know, and it's like, yes, I'm.

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Talking, like, how they feltright now.
Yeah, that's my point.
Yeah.
Like, is, is it wrong for.
I'm sorry, to play devil's advocate.
Just a.
No, please, play devil's advocate.
Like, is it wrong for peopleto feel like, oh, there might be
a little bit more logic, theremight be a little bit more reason,
there might be a little bitmore rationality, you.
Know, fuck, no, it's not wrong.

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Absolutely it's not wrong.
None of it's wrong.
It's my perspective in, like,my perspective is that if that, at
one level, I want to say, ifthat is what's required for people
to feel more free to people tofeel more secure, great.
But it doesn't have to be that.

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Of course not.
And it's a slippery slope tocontinue to rely on that.
Agree.
But how do you remove yourselffrom your environment and the things
that are occurring in your environment.
Environment.
Because you're going to alwaysperceive relative to that to some
degree.
Totally.
But then this is, this goesback to the importance, in my opinion,
of getting people who are oflike mind, like heart to gather locally.

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Because, like, when you're atConfluence, and of course you could
say, well, it's easy, you'reat an event out.
Like you're at an event thatis very specific, tailored towards
a certain thing.
So, yeah, it's easy to not payattention to what is going on out
there.
Right?
Yeah, you're on a large farm,you're away.
Yes, but, but the point, the,the larger point still stands, that

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if we were doing similarthings to that in our local community,
it's like the meme of, of, ofpeople gathering in a huddle, like,
I'll be the farmer, I'll bethis like, we'll barter, we'll trade,
blah, blah.
And then another person comesfrom the outside, is like, do you
guys know.
Why are you not outraged about this?
And then one of the guys turnsaround, looks at him, says, yeah,

(53:48):
yeah, yeah, and then turnsback around to the huddle.
It's like, so to your point ofbeing impacted by your reality that
you're around.
Of course we are.
Of.
Of course we are.
But the more we can get peoplewho are of, like, mind and like,
heart to gather locally intheir area, the less and less of

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a concern it is what goes on politically.
And like, Trump, like, I'llsay for my.
The crowd that I hang out within the Austin area, and again, Austin
area is a exceptional example.
Like, it's exceptional.
So it's not even a goodexample, but it is an example of
what's possible in the future.
My friend group here did notgive a shit whether it was Trump

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or Kamala who won, becausewe're like, dude, it doesn't matter.
Like, we have all of our people.
We all have each other's backs.
We're all on the same page.
That's what matters.
All that does not matter anymore.
You see what I'm saying?
Like, it becomes.
Man, I. I agree.
I mean, I think the power lieswithin and then with the people we

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surround ourselves and how wechoose to live, you know?
And I also don't want to saythat, like, something greater on
the outside has zero impact on.
No, no.
Unless.
Unless we're, like, gonna golive an Amish life and have no technology,
no devices, nothing.
Like, we're going to be impacted.
We're going to be in the world.
Yep.
But.
But to that point taken to itsextreme conclusion, like, on what

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I'm talking about,voluntarism, there.
There's a lot of other thingsthat would need to be discussed,
and I do not claim to know thesolution on how one would transition
effectively on this scale to avoluntarious way of being.
Also on the.
On the current state ofconsciousness of the collective,
of humanity.
Of course.
Yeah.
I'll also say this, and I. Ihave no problem saying this.

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Some people need to be governed.
I mean, I. I mean, I.
Some people ab.
I think some people need to behandled, but, you know.
Yeah, some people need to begoverned because they are still of
a childlike morality and consciousness.
Now, that being said, whathappens when.
You know, actually, Vermont isa really good.

(55:57):
Wait.
Free State project.
Is that.
Free State project.
This is a great example of this.
So I interviewed Eric Breakey,who is the CEO of Free State Project,
and I was so stoked to ask himthis question because I was wondering
like, based on my own thoughtprocess, perspectives based on voluntarism,

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if what I think could occur,based on all we're talking about
here could actually occur in reality.
What I mean is in NewHampshire, during COVID according
to Eric, and again, don'tquote me, if someone's like, no,
that's not what happened.
This is according to Eric,this is according to other people
who are a part of the FreeState Project.

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Free State Project, for thosewho don't know, is a project intended
to get a lot of libertarian,voluntarist, agorist, anarcho, capitalist
oriented people to move to New Hampshire.
That's literally the expressedgoals of the project.
It is not a formal politicalproject in the respect that it is

(57:01):
not a formal politicalobjective stated.
It is an outside apoliticalorganization that is trying to get
people to move to New Hampshire.
And what I asked him was,okay, he, he let me know that at
that time New Hampshire wasbeing governed by a lot of blue like

(57:22):
left leaning, tyrannicalpeople and policies.
Okay.
And so I asked him, I waslike, interesting.
During COVID despite thepeople who are in so called positions
of authority, given that youguys had so many people who are libertarian
minded, libertarian orientedmove, there was there like a total

(57:45):
disregard and lack of worryfor, you know, the various policies
that were implemented.
And he said in most something,this is paraphrase something like
this is what I took from it inmost cases.
Yes, like, absolutely.
Like despite the policies thatwere implemented and, and the like,
what people were required todo, most people were like, no, we're

(58:06):
not doing it.
And there was no worry becausethere was such a high concentration
of like minded people in thatarea that it didn't matter what the
so called authorities tried todo because there are far more people
than there are so calledauthorities and their agents.
So it wouldn't have.
It didn't matter what thepolicies were because the people
were like doesn't.

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I don't care what you say.
And that doesn't require thatyou're hostile and angry towards
the authorities or that you'relike protesting outside someone's
house or something like thisor like trying to, you know, find
a politician to beat him up orany of that shit.
It's just like, yeah, we don'tregard you as legitimate and we're
going to continue doing our thing.
Yeah, but do you think that inthat we might be taking for granted

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everything that the west hasbuilt in terms of freedom at this
point.
So, for example, if you take,if you take that example and say
you were living, you know,say, let's say east and West Berlin,
right?
And you were in East Berlin,and would there have been any part
of you that was like, oh, Imight want to raise my family in
West Berlin because of thegovernance that's there and the differences

(59:10):
that exist there.
So, you know, I feel like it'staken so long.
It took thousands of years forthe values of the west, of freedom,
truth, justice, integrity, tokind of take rise, even though that
has been compromised tomassive degrees at this point today.
And I think we are speakingfrom a place where it's like we don't

(59:33):
know the end results of what areal tyranny, a real collectivist.
Agree.
Looks like, because we don't,we don't really have that lived experience
here today because of theprivilege that yes.
Has come from the West.
Agree.
I 100% agree with that.
And that is why, in myopinion, it would behoove of us to

(59:54):
continue to speak to and helpother people, help other people understand
the importance of liberty andhold it to account to a degree so
we don't slip down the lineof, let's say Australia or Canada
in some places, or even someparts of the United States.

(01:00:15):
I think it would behoove of us.
It is more important that wespeak before it gets to that point.
Because I've even had peoplelike, okay, Alec, that's great.
I mean, Joel, you're anexception to this because you showed
the Australian government up.
But I had someone ask me, thisis one of the friends that's in our
Real Sacred Men chat that we have.
We're just having aconversation on conservative conservatism

(01:00:38):
versus libertarianism versus voluntarism.
And he was like, dude,everything you're talking about sounds
great until you're an Australian.
Like, what the hell do you do there?
Like, they don't have guns.
I'm like, yeah, that's theexact point that I'm trying to make.
Australians collectivelybelieved after, you know, that mass
shooting that you guys had, Idon't remember the exact details

(01:00:58):
of it.
I'm sure you can read Alpha Massacre.
Yep, yep.
After that mass shooting, theywere like, oh, you know what?
We all collectively believe aspeople that the government has a
right to take our guns, sowe're going to voluntarily.
I'm sure not all Australianswent along with this.
And from my understanding,there's A big black market for guns,
especially in northern partsof Australia.
But point being, we all feelthat the government has the right

(01:01:22):
to do this, and we don't havethe right to have guns.
We're going to give our guns away.
Australia collectively slippeddown the slope of tyranny to that
degree that we in the UnitedStates in most places have not.
And so it's even moreimportant for us to speak to that,
because I've had people belike, if you don't like this country,
then you should have seenVenezuela at this point in history,

(01:01:44):
or you should have seenwhatever other communist place at
X points in time in historythat I escaped from.
You should be grateful.
I am.
Incredibly grateful.
I love America.
I. I wouldn't want to liveanywhere else.
I mean.
And you can still criticizeand work to make it even better.
That's the point.
And not allow it to slip downthe same agendas that are expressedly

(01:02:06):
stated that they werecontinuing to slip down that.
I still think that they areironically slipping towards just
under a different flavor.
That's my point.
That's why I think it isincredibly important to speak about
these things and to holdpeople accountable on these ideals
and to help people notoutsource their power in the ways
that I just described.

(01:02:26):
And beyond that, twopoliticians who are operating under
what I believe to be the guiseof freedom and health while implementing
things based on what isfactually publicly available that
are not oriented.
Are they better than Kamala?
Possibly.
We can only speculate on that.
We don't know what would havehappened with her in office.

(01:02:48):
I would like to think so.
But more importantly, thesentiments of the people and their
beliefs and thought processesregarding it is why I prefer Trump
in office than Kamala.
But it doesn't require thatthere's a politician.
It can be brought forth from within.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, for me, it's like,when I talk about.

(01:03:09):
When I think about outsourcingyour power, it's like you just withdraw
the extreme projection.
Either way, you don't need toproject that this guy is some golden
Superman savior here hero.
And also, you don't need toproject that he's like Orange man,
bad demon, you know, the worstthing that's ever happened.
Like, and the moment that youbegin to withdraw that projection,

(01:03:29):
you kind of bring your powerback in.
And when you're in thisextreme outsourcing state, it's.
It's when you're projecting toan extreme one way or the other,
you know, But I think.
I think people care a lot Morewhen as we discussed in the beginning,
there's a lack of purpose.
Like if you have genuinepurpose in your life, you know who
you are, you know what youwant, you know what you're moving
towards, you know what you'rebuilding, you know what your values

(01:03:51):
are, then just generallyspeaking, there's going to be a lot
less psychological bandwidthto give to these matters, generally
speaking anyway, you know, soyou can look.
At, I'm looking for a commenton my Instagram regarding that exact
same thing because I, I don'thave an issue.
With someone carrying withinthemselves that isn't an extreme
projection.
Oh, you know, things can beworking out for the better.

(01:04:14):
Maybe even if things aren'tperfect, we are on some kind of a
right path in terms of what's happening.
And I do think we are.
I do think we are.
I 100%.
Like I, I'm not black pilled.
I'm incredibly optimistic, butI'm not optimistic about the mechanisms
of government.
I'm optimistic about people asthey continue to become more self
aware, as they continue tounderstand the importance of community,

(01:04:35):
of connecting with each other.
Of all the things that youguys talk about on your podcast,
I talk about on mine.
And I want to be clear.
So I posted all this stuffhappening with Trump Epstein is not
surprising at all.
Again, that's from myperspective and I like went listed
all the things that Trump didduring his first term that would
indicate in my perspectivethat he is not genuinely fighting

(01:04:57):
for freedom.
And someone commented this andto your point, Joel, liking Trump
or hating Trump is stillfalling into the theatrics of presidents.
People unifying over hatingTrump still is not getting to the
root of the enslavement system.
The conversation for thecommon voter needs to shift to who
controls presidents and how.
I, I don't know if Inecessarily agree with what he's
saying there, but it's likewhat you're saying I completely agree
with.
By making it Orange man badand obsessing over him how bad he

(01:05:19):
is, you're also giving him power.
And that's what I responded to.
I was like, I agree.
And I probably, this is me speaking.
I probably allow myself tofall into the category that points
out how Trump isn't fightingfor freedom a little bit too much.
And ironically it's stemmingfrom my seeing so many people who
are ostensibly on the samepage and outsourcing their power
and wanting to help them seewhat they're doing.
The irony is the more I talkabout Trump, the more I'm giving

(01:05:43):
him Power myself.
And it is.
It's ironic.
So, yeah, you know, it brings me.
Dip in, dip out.
You know, it's.
It becomes so incrediblychallenging when I.
It's like, this is a perfectexample of, like, being sucked into
these things and like, notcommunity right here.
Because when we're atConfluence and we are.
We're not on this.
We don't give a about this.

(01:06:03):
We're with each other.
And like, what's happeningPutting out there.
Maine just passed a.
No one cares.
No one gives a.
But, you know, it's.
Yeah, it's a. Yeah.
I think it brings me back towhat I said as a joke in our music
and sky little live podcast wedid, which was make yourself great
again.

(01:06:24):
And I just think that if therewas just more of a focus.
And again, I'm not saying thatyou can't give attention to things
happening world, but it's moreof the focus of really sitting with
who the am I?
And not.
Not from some spiritual sensethat I'm the ocean and all that.
I mean, like, who am I embodied?
And as an individual, my nameis Erosimos.

(01:06:45):
Like, where do I come from?
What's the state of my innerworld, My.
My psyche?
What are my interests, what Iwant to build, what I want to create?
What do I truly value in lifeand bring that into the world?
You know, like more of thatmore focused intern.
Like, we talk about obsession.
Like, maybe more people needto obsess about themselves.
And I don't mean it in, like,this, like, negative way.

(01:07:07):
I just mean, like, obsess overthe fact that you've been given this
gift of life and what the areyou doing with it?
You're spending six hoursposting about Trump, Satan, Hitler
on Facebook.
Or whatever.
Like, where are you givingyour time and your energy?
It's very simple.
Like, time, like, attention isthe real currency.

(01:07:29):
Where are you putting yourattention to 24 hours in a day?
You know, and again, I don'tsay this as someone who is like,
the Zen master perfect.
I don't use my phone at all.
But, like, I sure as helldon't waste my time on a lot of bullshit
that maybe 5, 10 years ago Iwould have.
You know, Joel and I have a mission.
We're doing our work.
I love spending time in mygarden learning about permaculture,

(01:07:51):
planning things, being ahusband, you know, having animals,
perhaps being a father one day.
Like, that's what fuckingmatters to me.
In the past, it was maybegoing down more rabbit holes or feeling
Like, I need to know.
I need to know.
I need to share what I know sothen people can like me and click
and just say positive thingsabout me.
You're so smart or whatever.
Like, I just don't care asmuch anymore.

(01:08:12):
But this is me.
This is, this is my valuesystem and what matters to me.
But as a general rule, again,back to the whole attention thing.
What are you giving attentionto, which relates to your whole thing
about like, intention and water.
And it's just, I just thinkpeople need to like, take a closer
look at like, where theirenergy is going and, and if they
don't know how to shift that,learn how to shift that, you know?

(01:08:35):
Like, what is.
I mean, at the foundation,it's like we have a nervous system
that impacts everything,impacts our relationships, impacts
the things that we do.
Like, what's the state of it?
Are you triggered over anylittle thing by someone even disagreeing
with you?
Then look in the mirror andgo, man, I need to change this.
Like, if I'm being triggeredbecause some person likes a person
who you don't even know morelike a politician or a celebrity.

(01:08:59):
Like, I mean, you gotta check yourself.
Like, that is.
That is a problem if you'relosing your center over a politician.
Amen.
You're asking us, the president.
Yeah.
You're also, you're alsoslightly 28 and that you're gonna
pay me $20 million to be a tobe determined president.

(01:09:21):
You know, I'm like, just letme chill with my wife, my cats, my
friends and, and my plants.
Amen.
Peace out.
You know, but again, I mean, Ilove these conversations because
we're exploring the nuance ofwhat it means to be human, what it
means to think, what it meansto react, what it means to have beliefs,

(01:09:41):
opinions.
And like, I feel like it'slike it needs to be this ever evolving
journey of like checkingourselves and checking the foundations
of what words we're using.
Why are we saying those words?
What's the motivation behindthose words?
You know, and it's excitingand there's not.
It's not about being perfect,you know, Like, I don't, I don't
know the right way to alwayscommunicate online.

(01:10:04):
I don't know exactly wherewe're going to be in five years.
I'm just here for it, man.
I'm here for all of it.
I'm optimistic, like,incredibly optimistic.
Dude, listen, I. I don't knowwhere the bone came or like that
gene or whatever the you wantto call it in me, but like, I've

(01:10:26):
Always been a prettyoptimistic, positive.
I expect the best to happen.
It's a core belief in me thatcomes from somewhere.
Whether it came from a pastlife, I don't know.
Was I raised that way?
I don't think I was raisedthat way to expect the best.
It's just something inherent.
And I think because of thatcore belief.
You talk about howfoundational beliefs impact everything.

(01:10:46):
Like, my life has taken acertain path and there's certain
blessings that have come intomy life that I think is because of
certain core beliefs of how Ilive my life.
100 has been all, you know,roses and butterflies at all.
But I just feel like, youknow, believing in yourself, having
self esteem, expecting thebest is going to lead to a much more

(01:11:10):
happy, fulfilled life than the opposite.
And I just see it over andover and over again, not just with
myself, but some of the peoplethat I surround myself with.
Totally agree.
Yeah.
I think, like, the.
The perfect example of that isat least the recent example is with
the blindfold vision.

(01:11:31):
I'm sure you guys have talkedabout that on the show.
You have.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You had.
I know you had Edith, so.
Yeah, you definitely talkedabout it.
Yeah, we covered it beforeyou, bro.
Got it.
Well, Joel's got a daughterwho's like a, you know, thing.
And then my nephews, like, youknow, was amazing too, taking the
class.
So it's cool.
Yeah, it's incredible.
And yeah, my son Grayson'staking it too.

(01:11:51):
And then I can't wait to havethose skills too.
Well, I mean.
Yeah.
Aren't you doing the adult one?
That's the plan.
But we'll see.
We'll see how.
Heck yeah, dude.
Well, now we're not doing asecond Confluence in October, so.
Yeah, no need to split.
But you might have experiencedthis with Valley.
I know.
I've even seen this to certaindegrees in Grayson, even with specifically
the blindfold vision thing.

(01:12:12):
But talking about howfoundational beliefs have a measurable
impact, which it's like, no, duh.
But I think, like, peopledon't understand or people forget
and even I forget sometimes,like, how much.
How much my foundationalbeliefs impact not only my actions

(01:12:33):
in the world, but the outcomesof things in the world, like, foundationally.
And an example of that is.
I don't know if it's okay tosay his name at this point.
I'm just.
I'm just going to say I thinkit's probably fine.
But Matthias, who is one ofthe best blindfold, like, he's.

(01:12:53):
He's.
He got activated like Fiveyears ago.
He's incredible.
And that's who you and I sawyour osmos the first time when we
saw this in Mexico.
Just before taking the stageat Confluence for the blindfold vision
demonstration, Matthias's momcame up to me and was kind of freaking
out.
She's like, alec, we have ahuge, huge, huge problem.

(01:13:14):
Matthias is not able to dothis right now.
A man came up to him and wasjoking with him, but was like, very
harsh and somewhat shamefuland like, ah, you're cheating.
I don't believe you can do it.
It's all cheat.
It's all a joke.
You can't actually do this.
And Matthias took on thatbelief and then attempted to do the
blindfold vision just beforeand was not able to do it.

(01:13:35):
Wasn't able to do it.
And we're talking about, bro,like, I went to grab you and then
went to grab Ian Smith.
And I think specifically withIan, Matthias is facing the other
way.
Ian enters the room 30ft away.
Matthias is blindfolded,playing a video game on his mom's
phone.
And without moving his head,Ian enters the room, like at his

(01:14:00):
8 o', clock, 20ft away,Matthias goes, oh, you're new, you're
big.
And Ian, it looks like, what?
Like this is how skilled thisdude is, right?
Yeah.
But then he temporarily tookon that foundational belief of I
can't do this.
And Anna, their mom, alsorelayed to me that in Mexico, where

(01:14:24):
they live, their oldest Reubenhad another very similar experience.
I think it was he was shamedby like a super religious, like Catholic
guy about his abilities, likesaying that they're satanic.
And Reuben adopted that beliefto the degree that he was going up
to his mom, saying, mom, itwas all cheating.
This whole time, I've neverbeen able to do it.

(01:14:45):
I've been cheating.
It was all a cheat.
I was cheating.
You.
And his mom had to really talkhim off that ledge.
Like, no, no, no.
Like I've seen you doincredible things.
This is not true.
You're not cheating.
It's real.
It's real.
And finally, over time, afterextracting that conditioned belief,
he was able to regain his abilities.
Likewise at Confluence.
When this happened toMatthias, the moment he sat down

(01:15:07):
amongst the other kids, Valleyand those others, Kabrim, Akira,
who've been activated, he wasinstantly able to do it again.
And he's playing chess, he'sdoing all these incredible things.
But it just goes to show howincredibly impactful conditioned
beliefs can be in terms ofoutcomes in physical reality.
But then, like Again, for meit reinforces the need for community

(01:15:30):
of like minded, like hearted people.
Because the moment Matias satdown amongst those other people who
were on the path toremembering who they are and who
had cultivated theseabilities, he was instantly, he instantly
like dissolved thatconditioned belief and could do it
again.
Yeah, it's just such a coolmicro example of how that probably
plays out in all of our lives too.

(01:15:52):
Well, I mean, most of us had12 years of general schooling.
Imagine all the conditionedbeliefs about what's possible for
us that were constantlydrilled into us over and over again
in these basically anti life institutions.
Right?
And that's, that's somethingthat we're all grappling with.
That's something that we'reall trying to work through, deal
with reverse on it on a day today basis.

(01:16:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like the magic is suckedout through, through schooling and
then we expect people to beable to do things that seem like
magic.
Do you know what I mean?
Like being able to see.
I mean when you see it, whenyou witness it for the first time,
you're like, what the fuck is reality?
Like, sure, I mean, you know, I.

(01:16:33):
Remember your face distinctly,your osmosis when we first saw your.
Because I'm just like, sureyou can read about like, you know,
experiments and remote viewingand things that, you know, people
do, but that's out there.
That's like, you know, to seeit in front of you, to witness a
child have these abilities,you just, it makes you question what,
what again, exactly what is.

(01:16:56):
What'd you say?
I'm just agreeing with you.
Yeah, like it's just, it makesyou question what is reality?
Like how do we see?
Like what is consciousness?
What are we capable of?
You know, what has been like,you know, put to sleep within the
human that maybe these kidsare coming back to either remind
us or maybe it's just howwe're moving forward and evolving

(01:17:16):
in the world and.
But I tend to think we allhave these abilities dormant inside
of us.
And like, dude, the coolestpart of the blindfold vision experience
at Confluence, thedemonstration for me also, I had
already seen it multiple times before.
So like it's, I won't say it'slost its appeal, but it's like, oh

(01:17:37):
yeah, no doubt they can dothis for me, but was witnessing the
750 people that were there, ofwhich a large portion were bawling
their eyes out at what theywere seeing.
That part was cool to mebecause it's both the, the sadness
that the heartache for like,oh, I also was this young, beautiful

(01:18:03):
child that had this beautiful spark.
But through variousconditioning, traumas, etc.
Etc.
In my life, that spark wascompressed and dimmed over time and
it became dusty.
But also now, by me witnessingthis as an adult, seeing these kids,

(01:18:24):
seeing this undeniable thingin front of me amongst these seven
kids, I am now rememberingthat I still have that inside of
me too.
That part stood out to me as like.
Like I instantly, when I sawthe adults crying, like, that's.
Those are the two things thatcame to me like, ah, that's what
this is.
That is cool.
That is so cool.
You know, the most mindblowing part to me is that like,

(01:18:46):
the eyeball isn't even required.
It isn't even necessary.
Like, Edith talks aboutexamples of people learning to drive,
people that don't haveeyeballs learning how to drive.
It's like what the perceptionperiod, Right?
Yeah, I think also too tomention, because I feel like I've
heard this from multipleparents that, like, like, we're so

(01:19:08):
amazed by this.
And some of these kids arelike, yeah, okay, cool.
I want to go back to doing.
They're over it.
They're over it.
They're over it.
And so I think as a parent,you have to be careful.
You're not like anything else,like being like a stage mom, but
like a blindfold, you know,vision mom, you know, or dad.
But you have to do it.
You have to practice.
You have to, you know, be ableto do 360 degrees.

(01:19:30):
Like, you know, sure,introduce it and the kids into it,
great.
But if they also want to dosomething else, like, you know, you're
gonna force your kid to like,become like a blindfold vision master.
Dude, you know what?
That is such.
That is such an importantreflection for me to hear.
And I haven't spoken this toGrayson, but I've had the urge to.
And it's like, there'ssomething about.

(01:19:51):
I'll speak for myself.
There's something about youroldest being a boy that like, you
know, the whole, like theoldest gets the.
Gets it the hardest.
And relative to how I wasparented, my son has a cushion.
He knows that too.
And like, we, like, we'll talkabout it when we talk on our podcast.
Joel.
We talk about parenting, butno, like, we are, we are awesome

(01:20:12):
parents.
And I know we are.
And we could always do better too.
But like, relative to howKylie and I were raised, like, it's.
It's not even, not even close.
But the point is, I do feelthat urge inside of me to, like,
push him to do more.
Like, okay, he's activated awindow where he can kind of see over
here.
I'm like, yeah, but you can do better.
Like, I haven't said that tohim, but inside of me, I'm like,
you can do better, though.

(01:20:32):
Like, you can.
You can get it activated towhere you can see all the way behind
your head.
You can remote view.
Let's go.
I haven't said that, but Ifeel that urge bubbling up inside
of me as a dad.
I'm like, because I see the potential.
I see the potential.
And it's like, you want yourkid to meet their potential, but
then it's like, is it.
You want them to meet their potential?
Because you then take it as agood reflection on you as a parent,

(01:20:56):
and you have to sit with thatand really think about it.
And also, is it the projectionof, like, well, I can't blindfold.
I can't do it.
Yeah.
Like, living vicariouslythrough them.
Yeah.
Like, I. I wasn't an NBAplayer, so you need to be an NBA
player.
Yeah, man.
It's wild because that's whatI think happened with my dad.
I'm blessed that my dad and Ihave an absolutely incredible relationship

(01:21:18):
now.
Like, incredible.
And you guys have both met my dad.
He's an awesome dude.
Growing up, it sucked.
It was not good.
It was.
It was horrible.
And I can look back now andknow that he didn't have the tools.
Coming from a very male, angrySerbian lineage, and his dad was
way worse on him, but hedidn't have the tools to know how

(01:21:39):
to take what was projectedonto him and deal with it.
So he projected it onto me.
And my dad didn't make it towhere he wanted to as a basketball
player.
So he put so much pressure onme to become that basketball player,
you know?
And, like, I know that he wasdoing it because he loved me and

(01:21:59):
he saw my potential, but howit was actualized and expressed was
incredibly harmful.
Like, incredibly harmful.
So, yeah, it's a weird thing.
Yeah.
I think motivation on thatlevel is an amazing thing.
Like, as we've beendiscussing, when the child has the
choice to opt out.
Right.
And this is why we reverecoaches so much.

(01:22:22):
And certain people get so manybenefits from coaches and teachers
and that one figure in theirlife that pulls them forward, that
isn't from the family unitbecause they chose it and because
they can leave.
Whereas with the parents, it'slike, they can't opt out of that.
Right.
Yeah.
It's It's a weird dynamic.
I'm really excited to talk toyou about, like, parenting.

(01:22:42):
It's going to be a good combo.
Yeah, me too, bro.
Yeah, it's going to be good.
You can learn from us, yourosmos for when you have kids.
Maybe.
Maybe you can apply some ofthe same principles to your cats
and chickens.
Yeah.
And Rosie, my dog.
That's right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I look forward to it.
We'll see what happens.
Yeah.
Awesome.

(01:23:03):
I just want to comment quicklyon the blindfold thing.
Like, the biggest takeaway, Ithink, is that it's guiding the child
to trust their intuition, andit's guiding them to make the distinction
between when they're guessingand when there's a deeper knowing
and the ramifications ofknowing, your knowing in every other
facet of your life for whensomething feels right, when something

(01:23:25):
feels correct, et cetera, et cetera.
And I think that's the primary lesson.
Beyond the vision, beyond the seeing.
It's that 100.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's so cool to seeing howEdith teaches that.
And it really is a goodallegory for other things in life.
Like, I was talking to Kylie yesterday.
She's in homeopathy schoolright now through Remedy Academy,

(01:23:47):
and she had her first, like,case study that she had to bring
forward.
And it, according to her, Ididn't get to see it myself.
And I'm sure she's.
I know Kylie's very hard onherself, but after the case study,
she was feeling really defeated.
She was like, I didn't.
I didn't do well.
I didn't, like, make the rightrecommendations to my client.
All these things.
It just didn't go well.
And instantly I brought upwhat Dr. Edith reveals in the blindfold

(01:24:12):
vision training the firstweek, if not the whole thing right.
She's like, we want you tomess up.
We want you to mess up whenyou're in this learning process.
We want you to get it wrong sothat when you do get it right, you
can sit with.
Oh, wait.
Okay.
How did that feel in your body?
What did that feel like to getit correct?

(01:24:33):
Okay, remember that feeling.
Hang on to that feeling.
Get it wrong again.
Get it wrong again.
Get it wrong again.
Learn, learn, learn.
Get it right.
Okay, how did that feel to getit right?
What did that feel like insideyour body?
And it's a perfect allegoryfor life, too, when it comes to these
journeys and challenges andmaking mistakes and.
And failures, et cetera, et cetera.

(01:24:54):
It's like you talk to anysuccessful businessman or like any
of the ones I've talked to,they talk about how there's multiple
times that they drastic likethey were horribly failed, horribly
failed on multiple otherbusiness ventures.
But they didn't take that as arepresentation of who they truly
are.

(01:25:14):
They took that as anopportunity to learn.
That's it.
And then when they got itright again, I'm not sure that they
directly felt into their bodylike, okay, how does this feel now
that I'm getting it right?
But the.
But It's a.
What Dr. Edith teaches is agreat example for all of us when
it comes to just navigating life.
It's okay to make mistakes.

(01:25:35):
It's encouraged to make mistakes.
That's the whole point.
Course, of course, man.
Like there's literally noother way to learn except to get
it.
Except to get it wrong and toiterate and to make adjustments.
Like this whole idea thatwe're going to get something perfect
or right or you know, be asuperstar, the first time we do anything
is just, that's so inhibitingeven to one's self esteem.

(01:25:56):
Like we have to have theability to go forward, move into
something and know that itmight not be perfect, we might it
up, but from that is where thegoal is going to be for us to iterate.
And that's like, that's,that's true for all of our journeys,
even in all the beliefs thatwe hold today, all the ways that
we see the world, all the waysin which we want to grow a podcast
and build a business and allthe rest of it just, it's through
the act of doing and stickingwith the process.

(01:26:19):
Amen, man.
That Michael Jordan quote,have you heard of it?
The one where he talks aboutfailing like that is like ingrained
in my head.
It's.
I missed almost 9,000 shots inmy career.
I've lost almost 300 games, 26 times.
I've been trusted.
Take the game winning shot and missed.
I failed over and over andover again in my life and that is
why I succeed.
From the goat man.

(01:26:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Awesome belief.
Yeah, that's where it starts.
Yeah.
Did he, did he push off bro?
On the, on the final shot?
Yeah, he did.
Against.
On that crossover, the last shot.
Yeah, he pushed.
That was totally did.
But you know, he's Jordan, hecould get away with it.
But I mean Kyrie does the samestuff, just his is more.

(01:27:01):
Everyone pushes off a little bit.
It's Shay.
It's funny because my son'sname is Shea or Shai Alexander Zach.
And I've had like, I Get confused.
Now because I feel like you'vetold me your son's name, and I'm
like, wait, what's the NBAplayer's name?
I've had so many people hit meup like, yeah, did you name your
son after Shay Gilders?

(01:27:21):
Alexander?
I'm like, no, my middle nameis Alexander.
Shy means gift from God.
I love it.
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
One last question.
What are you excited forduring your.
Your 33rd year, your Jesusyear, as some people call it?
Man, I'm just trusting theprocess, man.

(01:27:42):
Like, I. I know that whatwe're building with the way forward
is needed.
Like, it's clearly neededgiven the polls that we've put out.
And I think we're gonna reachmore and more.
People are going to reach theconclusion that, yes, these things
are powerful tools to receiveinformation, to learn things, to

(01:28:07):
connect with people, etcetera, et cetera, but they're not
a replacement for Community.
And I think we're.
For many people, they'realready reaching that tipping point
where they're almost swingingthe other end of the spectrum into
the pendulum and.
Or the pendulum swung theother way, where they're, like, rejecting
their phones outright andthey're like, I'm sick of it.
I'm getting off social media.
But the point is, people are.

(01:28:28):
Are going to realize, I think,the importance of cultivating community
in person where you are.
And I'm not going to make theclaim that our platform is the only
way to do that.
Yes, we charge for ourplatform because we're providing
incredible value with what we do.
Incredible value.
And it is an incredible tool,which is why we charge in order to

(01:28:51):
continue building what we'rebuilding, because we want to bring
forth these community centersin specific areas.
We want to be able to bringthese things into being.
And so I'm just excited forthat and, like, to cherish these
moments with my kids whenthey're this young.
I feel like my son has alreadyreached a point where it's like,
he's really past that littlekid phase and is becoming like a

(01:29:15):
boy.
It really happens, at leastfor him, after he.
His, like, adult teeth grow.
Grew in.
And so I'm just reallycherishing these moments with my
kids, man.
Like, really soaking it up.
Like, looking at them, makingeye contact with them, and just,
like, witnessing them be whothey're being.
Like, there is nothing better.

(01:29:37):
Like, I. I etched thosemoments into my mind lately when
my daughter's laying on my armand just looking at me.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, and, bro, there'snothing better Than that.
There's.
In my experience, there'snothing better than that.
And what a blessing for you tohave the level of consciousness to
take stock of and appreciatethat now as opposed to later having

(01:30:01):
the regrets of all the momentsthat I didn't really soak in.
I didn't really let land.
Right.
Yeah.
Like, I even reflect back tohow many times two years ago, even
a year ago, where I'm like,not now, not now.
Like, I'm busy.
I'm like, am I really busy?
Do you really need to makethis post so that more people know?
Like, no, no, I'm much moreconscious about that now.

(01:30:21):
Yes, I still post and saythings, but, like, if my kids are
in the room, unless I'm likeon a zoom meeting, and even when
I am on a zoom meeting, theycome in and sit on my lap sometimes,
but I put my down like this.
This is what we're supposed tobe doing it for anyway.
This.
Yeah.
To have more moments like this.
So it's so important to soakup those moments and there's nothing

(01:30:44):
more fulfilling with that.
Yeah, exactly.
That's what we're all strivingtowards, you know?
And it's like, oh, yeah, it'slike this.
This vision that, oh, I'll beable to get there one day and fully
enjoy it and fully absorb itwhen I've ticked all these goals
and I've got this kind oflevel of financial security and I've
reach this.
It's not the case.
Like, it's now, you know, it'snow, man.

(01:31:04):
It's now.
No, nothing.
Nothing is better than now.
Now is where you meet yourself.
Now is where you meet God.
Everything else is just an abstraction.
That's it now.
And I. I really try to remindmyself of that lately when I'm with
my kids.
And it's like, yeah, I mean, you.
I know you're a girl, dad, soyou get it, but having the, the contrast

(01:31:26):
of like a boy and a girl,like, like having my son is so special.
Of course.
Like, of course.
And like my little girl, man.
Like, yeah, I can like, justthink about her and cry and.
Yeah, it's.
It's.
It's a gift.
It's a gift, man.
Yeah.
All of it all being.
Being a dad of all three ofthese kids and, and creating this

(01:31:47):
life with my wife.
We've been together since wewere 16.
Like, seeing our journey, it'scrazy what we've been through to
get where we are.
It's like nothing better.
It's like the ultimate Hero's journey.
It's like, what, 17 years, you guys.
We've now known each other forover half our lives.
Wild.

(01:32:07):
Yeah.
So beautiful though, becauseyou see each other through so many
different iterations.
And when you think about,like, sure, she's an individual,
you're an individual, butyou're in relationship.
And so there's the entity ofthe relationship.
And you see how that, how youeach have evolved over time and then
how that's impacted therelationship and how that's evolved
over time.
And that's the beauty of, youknow, a long term relationship.

(01:32:32):
You know, I've spoken aboutthis before on the podcast that the
Greeks have, have, I think,six words for love.
And is it pragma?
Pragma, I think, is like longstanding love.
And so you see that, you seethat, you know, with people been
together 20, 30, 40, 50 years.
I see with my, my parents,they were together almost 50 years.
And like, that's actually whatwas the reason why I decided to like,

(01:32:55):
get married, you know, becauseI was someone who was such a.
Like, oh, I'm never gonna getmarried, I'm never gonna have kids.
I don't want to commit.
I definitely, I was acommitment phone.
And I remember, like a fewyears into my relationship with Sophie,
I went back home to the eastcoast to see my parents.
My dad was.
My mom was in the hospital or something.
Something happened.
And I just saw the two, likemy, my dad taking care of my mom,

(01:33:19):
like when she came home.
And I just remember that moment.
I was like, I want that.
Like, I want, I want, I want that.
They've been together, they'vebeen through so much over time, you
know, and, and it was justsomething so beautiful that like.
And there was another instancethat happened.
I don't want to get into itabout some other reminder of like,
I definitely don't want that.
But I got back home toCalifornia and I walked into our

(01:33:43):
home where I was living withSophie, and I just saw her.
I was gone for like a week andI was like, that's, that's my woman.
You know, I want, I want tocommit as someone who was so scared
of commitment.
It was just like seeing likewhat's possible, you know, like when,
you know someone's got yourback, you know, vice versa.
Like, that's the beautifulthing of long term partnership that

(01:34:05):
like short term things and funlike this, this doesn't, it just
doesn't.
And like anything great, like,it's earned over time.
Yeah.
You know, you go through, you go.
Through, you get triggered.
And then hopefully, you haveenough consciousness to take responsibility
for your.
And your role into it.
And then you repair, and thenthe bond gets.

(01:34:25):
The bond gets stronger.
You go through that processover and over and over again.
I mean, hopefully, you're not,like, having crazy conflicts all
the time, but, like, when youdo, like, what do you do then?
That's the beauty.
When, like, you can honor eachother and respect each other and
then keep moving forward in life.
And then, like, it's just.
I don't know.
It's a beautiful thing.

(01:34:46):
Union and being devoted tosome, like, one person is the greatest
accelerator of one's owngrowth, in my opinion.
By.
Well, I think.
I think relationship.
Well, just in general, I think.
Yeah, relationships.
But I'm saying intimaterelationship with one individual.
The greatest accelerator ofspiritual growth, of having to face

(01:35:07):
your shadow.
Yeah.
Because you can't just peaceout and go for the new.
The new exciting thing.
It's like, oh, I'm in it.
I made a commitment to myself.
You can, but then it's notgonna, like, it's.
In my opinion, it's not the same.
Not the same.
Not the same, man.
Yeah.
No.
Thank you for anotherbeautiful conversation, bro.

(01:35:29):
No, I had no clue where thisone was gonna go.
We didn't either, man.
We didn't.
We didn't.
We were just like, oh, let's.
Let's have Alec back on.
Let's just see where it goes.
And this is ride.
I love you guys.
I love you, too, bro.
So much, man.
I love you so much.
Respect.
I feel honored to.
To be a brother, to be a friend.
Yeah, man.
It's.
I'm so excited where thingsare evolving for all of us.

(01:35:51):
It's really cool.
Amen.
Yeah.
I always feel like when I do apodcast with you guys, it's one of
those examples where I don'teven feel like it's a podcast.
I feel like it's just homieshanging out chat.
And I'm like, oh, yeah, we'reon a podcast.
Yeah.
What's the cool thing, though,about having these platforms where
we could just, like, keep itreal, you know?
I mean, one of our podcasts, Ithink, was called, like.
I feel like that was.

(01:36:11):
We just, like, literallyrambled on about whatever for.
Yeah, this one has got alittle, like, political and, you
know, philosophical from apolitical standpoint, and then, you
know, get a little personal.
But that's.
That's what I like, man.
Conversation takes us.
It was good.
All right.
I love you guys.
Love you, bro.
Obviously, everyone, you canfind Alec@thewayforward.com the way

(01:36:34):
FWRD.com we'll have linksposted there, support him, everything
he's doing.
He's got a great community.
And if you get a chance at thenext confluence, don't miss it.
It's an incredible event.
I've been to all three.
I don't plan on ever missingthem, but you never know what happens.
But they're amazing.
So hope to see you there.

(01:36:54):
Thanks.
F. You guys haven't decided ondates yet, have you?
No, we're.
We're supposed to meet nextweek as we're just like Joel said,
It's July 17th right now.
So we'll hopefully, by thetime this comes out, have dates.
So we'll.
We could send you.
Sure, sure.
Like springtime again?
Similar kind.
Yeah, springtime for sure.
We're just deciding betweenmid April and the beginning of May
because we kind of liked thebeginning of May.

(01:37:15):
But then again, that's abigger variable because May in Texas
tends to be a little bit morerainy than April.
But then.
Yeah, just temperature stuffin April.
Yeah.
So we're trying to figure outwhat's best.
Cool.
All right, everyone, thanksfor tuning in.
We'll see you next time.
Take care.

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