August 7, 2025 • 70 mins
In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Stanton Hom for a powerful conversation that traces the unlikely path from military academy to chiropractic care, and from deep suppression of emotion to open-hearted leadership. We explore the hidden history and radical roots of chiropractic, how it became disconnected from its original philosophy, and why Dr. Stanton believes reclaiming its essence is key to true healing. He shares openly about his own journey through grief and how it cracked open his understanding of health, embodiment, and human potential. We also get into vitalism, medical dogma and the courage required to choose authenticity over belonging.
Time Stamps
(00:36) Introducing the new Rise Above The Herd
(03:03) Meet Dr. Stanton Holm
(05:05) Dr. Stanton Hom's Journey
(07:18) Discovering Holistic Healing
(11:01) The Chiropractic Breakthrough
(12:21) The Power of Chiropractic
(14:31) Speaking Out During C*VID
(19:44) Hosting Freedom Events
(25:51) Chiropractic History and Vaccine Awareness
(34:01) Personal Healing Journey
(34:38) Chiropractic Commission and Division
(38:33) Chiropractic's Historical Roots
(41:36) Chiropractic's Global Expansion
(46:35) Modern Chiropractic Challenges
(54:13) Chiropractic's Impact on Children
(01:06:33) Closing Thoughts and Future Directions
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Doctor Stanton Hum is thefounder of Future Generations, a
global movement normalizingvibrant health through freedom focused
care and education to unlockour innate genetic potential.
He and his team have built oneof the world's top clinics with an
innovative against the grainapproach that catalyzes radical healing
of chronic issues across all ages.
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A graduate of west point witha BS in chemistry, life science,
pre medicine, Dr. Stanton wasfortunate enough to be selected for
an internship at Walter ReedArmy Medical Center.
After completing Los AngelesCollege of Chiropractic in 2010,
he served San Diego, San Diegowith vitalistic chiropractic care
specializing in the wholefamily, from preconception through
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birth, infants, childhood and beyond.
His own healing journey led toa chiropractic breakthrough in 2013,
now known as Freedom FocusedCare, which he teaches to an international
community.
He also hosts the FutureGenerations podcast and a prenatal
pediatric specialist andinformed dad, he leads a worldwide
movement that stands forhealth and freedom for all generations.
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Stanton.
Welcome to Here for the Truth, man.
Hey, what's up, guys?
How are you guys?
I'm honored to be here.
Oh yeah, absolute pleasure, man.
One way we always like to kickoff these conversations is we want
to get a little bit deeperinto your personal story, your personal
hero's journey, some of themajor catalyzing, I guess, rites
of passage that led you intodoing what you do today and who you
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are today.
Yeah, man, that's.
I mean, it's kind of crazy.
I was texting back and forthwith one of my buddies from West
Point.
I graduated West Point in 2000freaking 25 years ago, man.
Like, it's hard to, it's hard,it's hard to even like contemplate
that I'm that old one too.
Like, it's, it's, it's weird,you know, because he's asking me
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about our 25 year reunion.
You know, I have a whole hostof new perspectives on what West
Point was.
Obviously you guys are, youknow, you, you guys and I are friends
with Alec, and so, you know,we share a lot of different perspectives
about indoctrination of publiceducation, things like that.
But the last reunion wasduring COVID and he's like, dude,
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they took Covid from us.
So there's a handful of guysthat actually are awake to what's
going on.
But in 2020, I didn't know anyof them.
Like none of them at all.
And so because of Alec andbecause I've been so vocal, I think
a lot of these West Pointgrads and academy grads have kind
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of Woken up to what's beengoing on.
So it makes me a little bitinterested, you know, because it's.
It's interesting to, like,watch the transformation, but, man,
rewind.
25 years.
You know, that was the startof my army career.
I did four years of theacademy, five years at, you know,
active duty.
I did a year in Iraq.
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I did three years inactiveafter that.
Definitely had, you know, fourdiagnosable chronic conditions that
the military medical complexwas like, hey, you're super healthy.
Go back into the world.
No big deal.
You're going to be just fine.
Um, great job, you know, and Iwas not great.
I could physically do whateverI wanted.
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I could mentally do whatever I wanted.
I could put my head down andpretty much accomplish anything,
you know, physically ormentally in life.
But I was not healthy.
And I knew it, but I didn'tknow the roots of it, right?
So I was in Iraq.
And what's interesting, mybrother was in his first year of
practice.
He graduated in 2003.
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That's when I was.
Was in Iraq.
And he sent me.
He sent me three books while Iwas in Iraq.
He sent me a book on acupuncture.
It's a super good book.
I think you guys would.
Would really dig it.
It's called the Web that Hasno Weaver.
Super, super Dope.
And then he sent me a book onchiropractic, and he sent me Joe
Mercola's book on nutrition.
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And so that started my journey.
You know, as I was in Iraq, Iwas like, shoot, I'm learning about
the food industry and in ourdining facilities.
I'm realizing it's all thefood industry.
You know, you're just havingthese, you know, existential crises
moments in Iraq, about the world.
Meanwhile, you know, you'regetting shot at in sniper positions
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and all sorts of things like that.
And so what I knew then wasthat I was definitely getting out.
Number.
The second thing that I knewwas, man, I think I knew where my
path was going to go.
Like, I had.
I had a little bit of a beaconon what my life could be about because
of how, like, how muchinformation I was actually able to
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acquire through three books onhow the body heals itself, on how
there's one that's superenergetic, super chi focused, you
know, like all the differentaspects of.
Of energy.
And the other was.
Was similar, but it was like,as I was learning as a layperson,
like, there are weathersystems and atmospheric aspects of
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the way that a system works,an ecosystem works.
And then there's also like,the Terrain, Right.
And that's how I kind of usethe examples, analogies of why chiropractic
and acupuncture and otherforms of manual mechanical, you know,
material based care versus,you know, some would call it somatic
versus like this energy type perspective.
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And I was learning that when Iwas like in my.
Dude, I was like in my early20s, you know, I was in my early
20s, 23, 24.
And I didn't know, besidesbeing pre med, besides knowing that
I was going to go intohealthcare to some degree and you
know, that, that, that time atWalter Reed was crazy because I was
vying for 20 spots, like 20spots for Med school coming out of
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the academy out of a thousand candidates.
And I was one of the top candidates.
And then I got to Walter Reed.
Dude, I've seen some prettycool stuff in two weeks.
You see like open heart surgery.
It's freaking nuts, man.
When you actually scrub in andyou're watching them operate on a
heart, like it's, it's, it'sremarkable, you know.
And then brain surgery, like Ithought it was weird that they had
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a whiteboard with a 2D imageand then a 3D human being, conscious
being, you know, they get doneand they're like, hey, if you, if
he, if he talks, we're good.
We're like, okay, and he talksand you're like sweet.
I guess we're good.
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I guess we're good.
Who knows, right?
Who, who actually knows nowwhen you understand like the course
of how these invasiveprocedures that life saving and things
like that, but then what thecourse of healing is afterward, right?
I saw orthopedic surgery, sawall sorts of the best of what military
medicine could do at the time.
And I came out of it, I waslike, I'm out.
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Like I went into mechanical engineering.
I didn't go, I didn't stay inpre med because I just didn't, I
didn't feel like that wasgoing to be the direction that my
life was going to go in.
And I chose to go into the military.
You know, the military doesits thing on you.
And got out of the military2005, moved to San Diego.
So I've basically been heresince, except for grad school and
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discovered that you cancompletely heal your body and your
mind outside of the system.
And I've been focused on doingthat for helping people facilitate
that since.
And so the thing that I wouldsay is really important to, to note
about my own healing journeybecause basically it was like there
was always a foundation ofself healing Mine, obviously, I'm
a chiropractor.
I'm biased, but that was mine.
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You know, in terms of nervoussystem focused, helping your body
passively self regulatebetter, but then just being open
to everything.
My brother would teach me.
So basically, I went from military.
I could run a half.
Like, he was training for theLa Jolla half marathon.
Like, dude, do you want to run it?
I was like, yeah, sure.
When is it?
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He's like, this weekend.
I was like, yeah, all right.
And I just crush all of myfriends because I could just do anything
I wanted to from a physical capacity.
And then afterwards, he'slike, dude, are you okay?
I'm like, I'm great.
And he goes, no, like, are youokay because you're pretty sick.
He's like.
Like, he could tell, like,living with me for like a.
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A couple days from digestiveto not, you know, I don't know exactly
what he was looking at.
I would say that what he waslooking at now is how I look at my
patients is like, you can tellwhen somebody's totally dysregulated.
You can tell when their systemis so, you know, toxic.
You can tell when their.
Their systems are not outactually self healing.
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And.
And that's started my journey,you know, from yoga to breath work
to, you name it.
Like, I was learning it.
And I would say, you know, hesaid that?
No, I felt six weeks in, I waslike, dang, man, I feel like I'm
17 again.
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Like, like, before I went tothe military.
And then six months in, hetold me.
He was like, dude, I thinkyou're my healthiest patient.
And I was like, cool, becauseI was 26.
And I was like, I'm just gonnado everything that you advise me
to do.
Your brother was a doctor already?
My brother was a chiropractorat the time that I got out.
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He was two years in practicewhen I was in Iraq.
And he was giving me those resources.
Yeah, he was in his first yearpractice, you know, and so for those
who are listening and they'reyour providers, I just want to encourage
you that, you know, I teachyoung providers.
I say, you know, on every anygiven day, you're far safer and far
more effective at getting tothe root cause of what's going on
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than anybody in theconventional medical system.
Some people don't like to hearthat in the system.
But a new grad outside ofschool who actually was really good.
My brother's really goodbecause he did all these, like, postgraduate
seminars during his training.
So when he was ready to gointo practice.
He was more fired up than, youknow, most new graduates are.
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And then even still, if you'rea new grad, you're far safer.
You're not going to hurt anybody.
Number two, you're.
If you actually just teachpeople root cause healing, you are
going to dramatically changethe trajectory of their life.
And I hope that gives some ofyour listeners who are providers
that are, you know, thatconfidence that on any given day,
like we far are so far.
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I mean, it's true, it's true,it's just true.
I'm not, I'm not a, I don'thave a. I'm not a chiropractor.
I've said for years, like,maybe I'm overconfident, but I said,
if you line up 100 people thataren't doing well, I guarantee you
I can guide them back tohealth more than conventionally trained.
MD well, and that's, that'ssomething that, I mean, I told Alec
early on, I was, I was reallylike during COVID that was something
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that was like a, like a momentfor me.
One, because I had already.
I mean, I'm teaching a vaccineworkshop here in the next like couple
of weeks.
I've been teaching them fornow, 16 years of practice, like teaching,
teaching parents, especiallyin California, about not only the
gravity of the decision, butit's usually something that I've
called the, the most asked andnot asked question that parents have
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in pediatric healthcare today.
And I just have thatconversation, right?
But when Covid came around, Iwas like, this is a hoax.
Like, I immediately, I knewthat something was up and that I
brushed it off first.
And then when my, when my teamtold me that people were super scared
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and I was like, are you scared?
Because this is my team that I trained.
They're like, yeah, a little.
I was like, okay, let's go to work.
Like, we gotta start.
We, we are going to be one ofthe primary educators.
I just kind of had thatfeeling back then, back in 2000 2020.
But then I started to see Alecpop up.
I started to see Alec's mompop up.
I started to see all these platforms.
I was like, who.
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Who are these people?
You know, and, and itliterally flipped it on its head.
And I appreciate you sayingthat your osmos.
Because I don't even care thatI'm a doctor anymore.
Like, my job really as adoctor is actually to like, I just
did like 10 minutes ago, oneof my patients, double hip replacement,
like all sorts of like, juststuff, right?
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He's Grandpa of one of thefamily members that I actually get
to take care of.
We take care of multiple generations.
And he goes to on vacation, hecomes back, he's like, hey, I canceled
my surgery.
I was like, huh?
Why?
Tell me about it?
And, like, the conversationbefore he left, I was like, okay,
like, let's just talk throughthis from an informed consent perspective.
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For those of your listenerswho may or may not know what informed
consent is.
It's actually a thing.
It's actually a calculableprocess to understand things.
It's benefits and risks of thethings that you're thinking about
doing.
It's the alternatives of thething that you're thinking about
doing.
And then it's the benefits andthe risk of the.
If you do nothing.
And if you can actually gothrough all that.
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It's actually what our humanmind wants to understand and wants
to understand all thepotential outcomes.
And that's where you get peaceof mind.
That is not mine.
And so I send this patient on.
On.
On vacation, and he goes, man,I'm wondering if I even need it.
I was like, I want you to sitback and think about the fact that
you actually asking thatquestion at all, at all is probably
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a sign that your intuition isprobably telling you the answer.
So you go on vacation and youtell me what you come back with on
when you come back.
And that's really the goal,right, is that it should be the case
that you guys generally laypeople, right?
Not saying that, derogatorysaying that.
Like, in the old hierarchy of.
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Of society, it's like, thedoctors are the authority.
The reality is, how do we justgive that back to everybody?
How do we give that back tothe people?
And I just credit.
That's why I love Alex somuch, is that he was one of the first
that I was like, ooh.
Like, this is our, in myopinion, our battle.
If we get into, like, thehistory of chiropractic and things
like that, we were, like,literally bred for this moment.
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And most of the providers weresilent, and most of them were so
afraid to say anything becauseof whatever social stigma from board
investigations, from all sortsof things.
And the people who rose werethe people who were supposed to rise,
you know, which was thepeople, right?
And so anyways, like, when.
When did you decide you weregoing to become, like, as outspoken
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as you have been?
And.
And as you are, and like, howdid the, like, I guess the general
population of your patients,like, responded to that at that time?
Yeah, good, good, Good question.
In the beginning, it was.
I Knew what.
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I knew about what washappening, and I knew was going to
point to a vaccine.
I just knew it was.
Yeah.
I didn't know there was goingto be passports.
I didn't know there was goingto be surveillance.
I didn't know there was goingto be AI.
You know, all the things thatwere obviously, you know, traversing
now, which is obviously anextension of what happened in 2020,
which is an extension off of.
You go back, you go with ChrisCrutchfield and MK Ultra.
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You go down the path, you'relike, dude, this has been in play
for a long time.
Early on, I just put my.
I put my community into aFacebook group, and I didn't talk
about.
Because I know how to do this.
I know to have this conversation.
I know how polarizing it is.
I know how families divide.
You lose people the closest toyou because of the stances that you
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take.
And so the initial message waslike, guard your heart, guard your
mind, guard yourself from thetsunami wave of fear and anxiety
that's going to be coming.
That's the only thing that Itaught about in the beginning.
And then I would just shareinformation about the tsunami wave,
not about one way versus the other.
And I let people kind of startto, like, ruminate on that.
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But it wasn't until Iinterviewed a couple you may know,
Devin Rana.
Dr. Devin.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She hosted an event early2020, and was called the Freedom
Revival.
And it was a.
Just the Freedom event withDell and.
And Bobby back then.
And I think Andy Wakefield was there.
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And.
And I was like, dude, Devin.
Because she was.
She's pretty, like, incrediblein the world, but in chiropractic,
she's one of the top, like,top, like, influencers in chiropractic.
And I was like, how'd you do it?
Let's talk.
I just started the podcast,and I had her on, and she goes, I
had five weeks, man.
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He's like, when are you goingto do yours?
I was like, I had, like, sixweeks because I was thinking about
having our first heart of freedom.
And she was like, tag, you're it.
And I was like, kind of like,oh, I don't know what to do.
I'm not sure how to plan this.
I don't know what.
She's like, it's like a wedding.
You have enough time as youhave, and you're going to take all
the time that you have.
But if you know that this iswhat you're supposed to be doing,
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tag, you're it.
You got to do it.
And so we Were getting readyfor a heart of freedom one, which
was 1212, 2020.
We had Lee Dundas, we hadNurse Aaron, we had Melissa Floyd.
I'm not sure if you guys knowwho Melissa Floyd is.
She was one of the main, likeCalifornia activists before COVID
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like back when all the lawswere changing in California.
Her and Bob Sears have apodcast called the Vaccine Conversation.
Incredible podcast.
She really helped like, guideme or early on we had Dell and we
had, you know, a lot of thepeople that were just speaking into
the that truth back then.
And I had no, like, platform.
I didn't want one.
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I didn't like social media.
I still don't like social media.
I still don't really know howto use it.
And I was interviewingeverybody leading up to it.
And like from Tommy to Alec toeven Dell, they're just like, you're
interviewing us, but we'relearning more from you.
Not because I was forcing iton them, but because I had a different
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perspective.
And then they're just like,why aren't you, why aren't you speaking
out more?
I was like, I don't know howto do this.
Like, I don't even know how tomake like.
And Alec goes, dude, just goon Twitter and make a meme and then
screenshot it and then share it.
And I was like, what?
He's like, yeah, like go onTwitter, share it, tag me.
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And that's it.
And like, that's how it started.
Like, I didn't even know howto like create a meme, you know,
back then.
I get it.
So in the end, I get it.
I'm not very tech savvy either.
So.
So that like started the myplatform and it was because these
people that I respected that Iwas bringing out to my event were
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like, dude, we're, we.
We don't even really know whoyou are, but you obviously have something
to give into this world.
Some way to serve and like, do it.
And that's, that's what happened.
We ended up having, we wantedto have maybe a couple hundred people
show up to our event.
It was one of the first inperson events.
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We took us a while to find the venue.
It was an old TV station.
It is an old TV stationbuilding and complex that's owned
by a Russian.
One of my team members at timefound it and he was like, oh, so
what are you going to do?
What are you going to do here?
You know what, what kind of aprogram is it going to be?
Is like Bill Gates, you know,like, he wants to take over the world.
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And we're like, dude, do youwant to speak?
You know, like.
But that was what he was doing.
He was hosting weddings andchurch services, and he created a
place where people could comeand host.
So we thinking we're going tohave a couple hundred people.
And we ended up selling 808 tickets.
And then we ended up having1100 people in person, like standing
room only.
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And dude, it was like, it waslike a freaking sweat box speakeasy.
And like Dell during his talk,he's like, hey, Judy, stand up.
And it was Judy Mikovich.
She was in the back.
You know, like people wereactually coming out to be a part
of it.
And then we ended up hostingtwo more.
We hosted Heart of Freedom 2and 3.
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Heart of Freedom 2 was.
That was 1212, 2020.
Heart of Freedom 2 was March 2721.
That's when all thedeplatforming for, for us started
to happen.
And then heart of freedom 3was 1213 12, 11, 2021.
And we had, we had 2200 peoplein person live at, at Liberty Station.
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And it was, it was incredible.
It was one of like I, I,outside of my, my wedding day and
the birth of my two kids, likeI would say those events were some
of my favorite days in the world.
And so it started from justthe guy saying you have something
to say and if you havesomething to say, just share it.
And then it's, then it, thenit becomes like, who do you know?
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Right.
And it's, it's kind of cool,you know, because those relationships
are still pretty solid, youknow, for the most part.
Yeah, I remember hearingabout, I think one of the events
and wanting to maybe drivedown from the LA area.
To, to go to it.
So that's cool, man.
I actually, I'm really curious.
I want to kind of back up alittle bit.
One, when did you first startgetting into vaccines?
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You know, when did you firstgo, oh, this thing, this thing that,
you know, we're told is thepanacea, you know, and it's like
safe, effective, all that whenyou start hearing about that.
But then also, even within thechiropractic community, you have
certain chiropractic schoolsthat seem a little bit more allopathic,
Western aligned.
And then you have otherschools that are a little bit more
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esoteric.
Yep.
In terms of their beliefsystems and what some people would
say, oh, they're, that's amore woo, woo, you know, chiropractic
school.
So can you even talk about that?
Just, even within thechiropractic community, you know
how things differ becausethere are chiropractors that are
like super pro vaccine andthen you have, they have others that
like scream from the rooftopslike get that shit out of your body
and don't even touch it.
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I, I actually pride myself onhow much I know about chiropractic
history.
Right.
Like I think it is one of therichest histories from a healthcare
perspective.
And I believe that the rootsof chiropractic are in my opinion,
I think the time for humanityand consciousness is ready for what
we actually represent.
Now with that said, we've beena divided profession from very early
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on.
And if you think aboutRockefeller medicine, which we took
them to court and won, you canresearch the Wilk W I L K vs AMA
court case that up until likethe 70s and 80s, chiropractors were
getting jailed for practicingmedicine without a license.
And long, long and short ofit, like over the course of our now
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130 years, hundreds ofchiropractors were jailed thousands
of times for be by essentiallyRockefeller medicine.
Right?
And it's, it's wild to thinkthat over the course of COVID there
weren't that many of usspeaking out to the degree that in
my opinion, I think we werekind of bred for.
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Right?
So I was reading chiropractichistory books before I went to chiropractic
school too because I ended upmoving to San Diego and then I was
just all in.
I was all in.
I didn't do anything.
I got out of the military, hadsome savings, I grew my hair out
to, to here.
I basically worked out everyday, surfed three or four times a
day and that was my rehab.
That's why I was able to, youknow, dramatically transform and
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heal.
And one of the books that mybrother gave me was a book titled
Vaccine A by Gary Matsumoto.
And Vaccine A is specificallyabout the anthrax program.
And so when I went to Iraq, Igot five out of the six series anthrax
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shots.
And honestly at the time Ididn't know a ton.
But I saw right back then yousaw people resist.
You saw them resist the annualflu shot.
You saw them get, you know,discharged and you know, non meritorious
ways and punished UCMJ like,like court cases and things like
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that.
And so at the end I was like,whoa, there's something here that
I don't really know about.
Although I hate shots, right?
But when I read this book, ittalked about, you know, different
experimental adjuvants.
It talked about how anthrax isjust Plain and simply in an experimental
program.
And I'm like, reading this,like, as I'm trying to heal myself,
but I'm like, holy.
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Like, like 911 and pre 9 11,all the scares with people being
sent anthrax in the mail, youknow, and all the things that people
were afraid of.
And then it just kind of getsyour mind going about where it maybe
started from.
And then the onslaught on the,you know, military personnel going
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into deployment.
And that's, you know.
So when people get intodebates with me now, like, I don't
typically debate becausethere's, there's, there's rarely
a level playing field.
There's never, there's rarelya definition of terms that people
can agree on.
And there's a completeparadigm, like, difference that makes
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debating stupid.
It makes it unproductive, butit also makes it really, really,
like, it's dumb, right?
And, but then I tell people,I'm like, dude, I've been studying
this longer than I've been a chiropractor.
I've been studying.
So I, I, I got that book.
And then immediately mybrother gave me a ton of Sherry Tenpenny's
DVDs.
And I just started to watch those.
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Those are back in the day,like, old PowerPoints with, like,
blue screen, neon blue screen,yellow text.
It changes frames.
It's like, like, it's like thegraphics of animations between slides.
Sherry's like, you know, lookslike from the 90s.
You see her hair?
It's like, you're like, dude,this is.
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But I watched all of them.
I consumed all of them.
And when I went tochiropractic school, I went to one
of those schools, right?
When I was, during 2020, ourschool said and came out that they
were pro, like, measles vaccines.
And they were pro, like, they were.
Actually there's a PA programon the campus now.
So they actually delivervaccines in the health clinic now
in a chiropractic school thatwas founded in 1911, right?
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We were 19.
And back then it waschiropractic only they started the
acupuncture school later.
It was too holistic, obviously.
You know, professions.
And then you see theinfiltration of conventional medicine,
right?
And now I think they have a PTprogram and they have all sorts of
things, right?
They call it integrative, butin reality, they're just, I don't
know what the right word is.
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Compromised, Right?
And diluted.
But in my community healthpublic health class, which you only
get one, I, like, open my syllabus.
I go to the Day.
I'm like, vaccines, let's go.
Right?
I'm looking for that date.
And you get to the class,first day of the two tenured medical
doctors are like, okay, justso we want to review the syllabus.
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Flip to week seven.
I don't know if it's week seven.
Like, flip to week seven.
This conversation here.
We're not going to have that conversation.
I was like, that's the vaccine conversation.
Like, why aren't we going tohave that conversation?
We're not going to have theconversation because the science
is settled and we don't needto have that conversation.
It is so day one or in thefirst few weeks.
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I didn't wait till week seven.
I brought the conversation.
And it's literally the rootsof my vaccine workshop now.
It's the things that I did inthe moment on the fly that could
put these tenured medicalproviders, like, they had no concept
of what I was going to bringinto that conversation.
I didn't really know what Iwas going to bring into that conversation,
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but in my mind I was like, Ialready know how to do this stuff.
So I just, like, at the time,it was like, early was 2007.
So, like, technology isdifferent back then.
Still Google things, and Ijust Google vaccine ingredients,
PDF, and back then it wouldbring up the CDC excipient list.
And I, like, I have like a tonof students around me because everybody's
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like, you know, curious.
They don't really know.
And within like, five seconds,they were like, why is there formaldehyde
in there?
Right?
Like, it was the first time that.
The students or the MDs.
The students first.
And then afterwards, like, youknow, I. I made it really simple.
I was like, hey, control f and.
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And I showed the medical doctors.
I was like, so we go toanatomy lab.
You scrub in, right?
You basically wear, you know,gowns, gloves, goggles, some sort
of cap, right?
Why?
Because when you're doinganatomy, you're cutting cadavers
and they're preserved in formaldehyde.
If you touch it, if youbreathe it, if you're.
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If you get too much exposure,go to the eye wash, go clean yourself
off, because you might getcancer, right?
And so I showed them, like,right away.
I was like, you can control fthis document.
Don't type in formaldehyde.
Type in formal.
Because there's multiplederivatives of formaldehyde.
There's formaldehyde andthere's formalin, and there's like,
over 20 vaccines that haveformaldehyde in them.
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It's like, so what's what'sthe benefit of injecting that?
And they're just like.
And I'm like, okay, now I'mgoing to go to the EPA website, right?
I'm going to show you what thegovernment says about this toxin.
Because at back then, lumber,God, what was that company like Lumber
Liquidators or something, theygot sued for formaldehyde, like toxicity
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and not reporting something.
And so if you go to the EPAwebsite, if you breathe it, if you
touch it, if you eat it, it'scarcinogenic risk.
So I said, how can youpossibly inject that into anyone,
let alone children?
And these doctors were like.
I was like, oh, you don't havean answer?
It's over.
Like, I.
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You are tenured professor onmy campus teaching me, and you can't
answer this question?
I think I win.
And I'm a student.
I'm a student at the time, butI was already two years into the
research of how to heal myself.
And realizing that when I didone detox, I was like, do I feel
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lighter?
I feel leaner, I feel clearer,I feel weird.
You know, back then I waslike, I didn't know that you could
do something like that andexperience that much health transformation.
But for me, it started withthat book and then following up Education
to Heal Myself.
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And then when it came time tolike, learn about chiropractic, just
so you have an idea, one ofthe main strategies of the AMA back
then was to.
They called it the mission oftheir commission.
They called it a commission onchiropractic, but they thought it
was too noble.
If your listeners want aresource, the.
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The documentary is called Doctored.
It was.
It was produced by a man namedJeff Hayes, who I think just put
one out about Bobby.
Anyways, they go through thisentire court case in the background
of it, right?
And they created thiscommission on chiropractic, but that
they renamed to a commissionon quackery because chiropractic
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was too noble.
But one of their primarystrategies was to, you know, their
mission was to contain andeliminate chiropractic.
But their primary strategy wasto incite division, that they would
infiltrate into our professionand create a chasm between the two.
And what they did was they didwhat conventional medicine does is
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they basically create onethat's in alignment with medicine,
that has all the cultureauthority that we now in the profession
call, because they still havethe foothold mostly in academia and
science.
Meaning the main PubMed indexjournals in chiropractic are owned
by very specific camps that wecall the Cartel, we call them the
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cartel because they are boughtand sold.
There are still states inUnited States that chiropractors
are aiming to do prescriptive rights.
They want to do some minor surgeries.
They're trying to change thescope of chiropractic.
But the rest of us, I wouldsay, are mostly confused.
Like, we don't really knowwhat our identity is.
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But when you move down thatkind of esoteric route, I think Covid
allowed, and I don't think weall took advantage of it.
But when I went to Devin'sevent, I got to meet Ben Tapper,
I got to meet Brad Campbell,and I got.
Obviously, Devin, I knewalready, and then a couple other
chiropractors.
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And in chiropractic, even onthe side that cares about self healing,
there's division.
Right.
And there's camps that they.
We shouldn't like each other.
But I was just texting Bradthis morning about his kid, you know,
and I love Brad, you know, like.
And there's different campsthat the.
The ability to incite divisionin a profession or in our society
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is so powerful that that wastheir primary strategy, and they
were found guilty, man, we won.
And that essentially ended inus having licensure in all 50 states.
But honestly, the damage wasdone, and it's still pretty pervasive
today, you know, and so thepeople that are all in on medicine,
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they're never going to speakout about medicine.
Yeah.
The people that on our side,in my opinion, are so socially afraid
of judgment that there aren'tenough of us that are speaking out
in a way that I believe wouldmake the biggest change.
I honestly believe that ourprofession, if we.
Because there's not that manyof us.
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There's 70,000 in the states.
There's about 100,000 worldwide.
Not a lot of chiropractors.
There actually needs to bemore of us, in my opinion.
But if this side actuallyspoke up, I think we would be able
to bring maybe a little bitmore elegance, not more authority,
not more academia, not morescience to the conversation, but
maybe a little deeper.
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But we don't.
Yeah.
You know, so thank you so muchfor sharing, man.
That's.
That's incredible to hear for sure.
You mentioned you prideyourself on, you know, knowing the
history of chiropractic, and Ifeel like that's something we haven't
really touched on.
What is the origins of chiropractic?
Depends who you read, right?
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Depends what source you read.
Because even back then, like, understanding.
Understanding, like how thingswere documented back then, chiropractic
was essentially, I would say,the more well known perspectives
of September 18, 1895.
Daniel David Palmer, D.D.
palmer, the founder, he'scalled the founder of chiropractic,
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had a janitor in his officewho felt something click in his back
the, the day before and was deaf.
And Didi at the time was likeenergy healers, a magnetic healer.
He was also like, he's kind oflike a Renaissance man.
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He's an incredible genius.
Like if you actually readabout his library that he actually
mastered, like he had, he hadthis collection of books called his
traveling library.
The primary source on this isa man named Simon Senzon in chiropractic.
He's arguably, in my opinion,one of the most important people
alive that understands notjust the whole body of, of history
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of chiropractic, butunderstands like the maybe esoteric
and the kind of vitalisticroots of chiropractic that are, in
my opinion, being completelywhitewashed out of conventional academia.
Right.
But DEI was, you know,essentially theorized that, hey,
something happened in his spine.
Maybe I should assess it,adjust his mid back.
Not even his neck.
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That would be direct line intothe ears.
The neck would be.
And woke up the next morningand he.
And he could hear.
And so most people don't evenknow the first chiropractor and the
first chiropractic patientwasn't about back pain, wasn't about
neck pain, wasn't my headachesor car accidents or anything like
that.
It was 1895 and it was ajanitor that was deaf.
And Didi thinks he has thecure for deafness.
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So he creates an ad in thepaper and he says, you know, I'm
gonna cure people of their deafness.
And he doesn't, because that'snot the theory of chiropractic.
But it was one of his firstiterations where he adjusted the
rest of the people and no onegot better.
Right.
But back then, Dede and hisson BJ and a lot of the kind of forefathers
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and foremothers because therea lot of, there was a lot of women
in the roots of chiropractic.
Too many of them were nurses.
A lot of these, you know,early providers were part medicine,
part medical doctor, part DO,part Park Chiropractic.
This is 20 years after ATstill founded osteopathy, which was
also in the Midwest.
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I think they're both actuallyCanadians, which is interesting.
And chiropractic was largelypurely focused on the neurospinal
system.
Right.
It's all about, it's all aboutthe nervous system.
And so Didi basically had allof these theories.
At first, some of them didn'twork linearly, but over time they
basically have, in my opinion,stood the test of time because we
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actually do get results from people.
BJ was his son, BartlettJoshua Palmer.
He was, he's called thedeveloper of chiropractic.
It was basically, he made it aworldwide movement.
He was a master communicator.
He was empirical about what hewas measuring.
Like I have this infraredthermometer in my hand right now
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because even to this day,things that he was theorizing back
then, you can get an atlas,faucet, temperature just 95 on one
side.
I'm a little warm in this room.
And 95.1.
And your, your, your nervoussystem is so much the kind of harbinger
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of self regulation in yourbody that he was always theorizing
how he can measure how wellthe nervous system was functioning.
So this, you know, little toolback then, they called it a neurochelometer,
has evolved into this infraredthermography kind of assessment that
we actually use in our officeevery single day.
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Especially with young babies,you can actually measure where their
nervous system isthermoregulated and where their nervous
system may not be.
And then based upon regions ofthe spine, the regions of the spine
have differentresponsibilities of different organ
systems, of different waysthat the body, the nervous system,
is supposed to be selfregulating, self healing.
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And so back then he was superempirical and he was so, in my opinion,
such a great marketer andcommunicator that chiropractic went
global.
And so one other story, I knowyou want to say something or osmosis
is the reason why I believethat chiropractic is for those who
actually step into what Ibelieve we are called here to be
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is actually a story about aguy named Shagataro Morikubo.
He's like the first JapaneseAmerican, like chiropractor.
He's, he was super young.
He was, he was a primarymentee of Dee Dee Palmer, but really,
really close with BJ Palmerand DD and bj if you get into the
history, there was like a lotof like they were pretty like at
odds with each other untileven after Dee Dee passed away.
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But this young chiropractorgraduated, I think Palmer College
in 1906.
Japanese guy, right?
And BJ tells him, you're gonnago to Madison, Wisconsin.
No, lacrosse Wisconsin.
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You're going to open apractice there, you're going to get
arrested.
And because of who you are andbecause of how prepared we are.
We are then going to build thelegal fight for chiropractic.
And so back then, like,chiropractors knew that when they
opened their shingle, whenthey opened their doors, that they
were probably going to be, atminimum, discriminated against, at
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worst.
What happened to Ben Tapper,like, during COVID right?
Ben was part of thedisinformation dozen.
When I met him in 2021, hegoes, I was just.
Have you guys met Ben?
I haven't met him in person, no.
Dude, Ben's like a piercing communicator.
He's so, like, if you saw hisoriginal Facebook video that went
viral, that made him, like,you know, a global phenom.
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Nobody knows the story aboutBen, but Ben is, like, this big.
He's not.
He's not a big dude.
He meets Alec and he goes,holy cow, you're huge.
Like, he's, you know, it'slike this.
But he's.
The way he communicates is so,like, dagger, like, accurate on getting
to the core of what's going on.
But Ben was just getting readyto speak, and he's flipping through
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his phone, right?
He's looking at his phone.
And I just went up to him.
First time I ever had aconversation was like, ben, I just
wanted to tell you that Iappreciate you.
Like, I just appreciate your.
Your boldness.
I appreciate what you're doingfor a profession.
I appreciate you.
What you're doing for humanityand my kids.
And he goes, check this out.
And he, like, shows me hisphone, and it's all the text messages
that he's received from peoplewho hacked his phone, death threats,
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people that have slashed his tires.
Like, people that were saying, you.
You're.
You're not home right now, andwe know it.
So who's watching your wifeand kids?
Wow.
Right?
So this type of stuff wasthings that chiropractors were.
Were on the regular receivingin the early 1900s.
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And I believe that that's partof our, you know, like, journey that
essentially led me to stepinto a different kind of lens of
how to actually navigate.
And I looked at Ben at thatday, and I just said, I just want
you to know that you're takinga lot of arrows for us.
And I'm.
I'm willing to.
I'm willing to stand, youknow, arm in arm with you and take
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as many as I can, you know, byyour side.
Because I just.
I could see what he was doing.
I could see how much it wasaffecting him.
And the reason why I say thatis, like, the roots of chiropractic
were never about integratinginto the healthcare system.
They were never aboutacceptance socially.
It was actually socountercultural that it's a blessing
today that, that there isreal, no insurance benefit for chiropractic
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that stands any sort of like,like if you call like as a provider.
I stopped taking insurance in2012 because I was back then in my
first year of my own private practice.
And you call like you callblue cross, right?
You're like, hey, justchecking benefits for this patient,
blah, blah, blah.
And they're like, oh yeah,that patient has 24 chiropractic
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visits if it's done by amedical doctor.
And you're like, what, wait, what?
Like wait, medical doctors do chiropractic?
So you start to see the backend of how everything kind of works
together, right?
Where the insurance companywill say, hey, we have chiropractic
benefits, but they're actuallynot benefits that are actually chiropractic.
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They're, you know, kind of abastardized version of what medical
doctors would do.
And then you like, learn abouthow medical doctors learn how to
adjust.
Do you know how they learn howto adjust?
Do you know how PTs learn howto adjust?
It might be a little bit moreinfrastructural in their education
now for pts, it's a weekendseminar to adjust somebody's cervical
spine.
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You go to spinalmanipulation.com.
this is what it was back then.
I don't know if it is still today.
It's a weekend seminar thatthese providers learn how to adjust
the spine.
If you read about adversereactions in chiropractic, have you
ever heard about them?
People hear about stroke andthings like that.
If you read some of the peerreviewed index journals on chiropractic
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and adverse reactions, youread them, right?
Like Alex sent that one aboutvaccines today.
And like, nobody reads beyondthe abstract.
So it's saying chiropractic is dangerous.
Chiropractic causes this injury.
Multiple countries that havechiropractic injuries.
And then you read it.
It's like a soccer coach thatgave the adjustment or it's a kung
fu teacher in Taiwan or a barber.
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Like, you read the actualprimary source and you're like, oh,
it's not even chiropractic atall, right?
One last little story.
What determines risk in.
In healthcare?
Who.
How do they, sorry, how dothey evaluate risk in healthcare?
What is the, the authority onrisk in healthcare to assess it?
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No idea.
Whether or not you die fromsomething, I don't know.
So yeah, if somebody dies,right, Then they Would.
What would.
What would happeninfrastructurally to the industry,
but especially to the provider?
What would.
What would go up, the type of.
Insurance, their costs, likemalpractice insurance.
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Malpractice insurance, Right.
So this is my 16th year, right?
Average pediatrician, averageOB malpractice rates are somewhere.
Well, why don't you guys guess?
What do you think the malpractice.
It depends on the state,Depends on where you are in the world,
right?
No idea, man.
No.
Nobody knows.
Nobody has any concept of it, right?
But it's somewhere to theorder of like 10 and 50,000, depending
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on what state you're in, right?
For a pediatrician or an OBhire, because they do surgery, right?
A year.
That's their premiums, right?
So what's mine?
Sixteen years and seventeenhundred bucks.
Yeah.
A year.
A year.
Whoa.
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And so people hear that andthey're like, wait, that doesn't
make any sense.
Right?
Like, and so people getaccused of chiropractic and stroke
and people like every yearthere's an article that comes out,
you know, self magazine,different things that get publicized.
And mo.
What they don't tell you isthat most of those chiropractors
that injured.
Injured someone.
Air quotes.
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Actually, if they look at likethe coroner's exam and everything,
it wasn't chiropractic.
They've actually done peerreviewed studies to show the cross
sectional rates of strokeafter a encounter of chiropractic,
you know, visit versus amedical doctor visit, primary care
visit, and it's higher on aprimary care visit.
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And they don't touch them.
So the conclusion in mostcases that the stroke is already
happening and you would havesymptoms that would actually lead
you to a chiropractor or yourdoctor, but it's actually higher
for someone else, right?
So it's interesting, right,because so we know these things in
and out, that it's not justyour doctor, it's not just your hospital
system, it's not just theinsurance company, it's not just
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the pharmaceutical industry.
It's all of it essentially inbed together.
And the reality is, why debate?
It's not even where healinghappens, right?
You should.
You should actually just leavethe system, you know?
Yeah.
Sorry.
That was a lot of information.
No, I love, I love yourstories and I love, especially since
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we have a little limited time,I love you kind of diving into all
this and the history and.
Yeah, it's really cool.
I mean, the question I hadbefore is not relevant now.
I just saw you pull up thatheater or the, the infrared thermometer.
I was like, I think I have one.
I measured the temperature ofmy pool.
So you could just like, like put.
It up against your body.
And now what's normal?
Like what?
Like it was 95, you said so like.
Yeah, what's healthy?
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What's not healthy?
Which is interesting.
So, so it's not a matter oflike, I mean, that's the thing, right?
Everybody's temperature shouldactually be different, right?
Although we've been programmedto say that it's 98.6.
I don't know what you, what,what Celsius is.
Joel.
Sorry, buddy.
Everywhere else in the world.
37, I think is the normal thing.
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What like our system will,will, will measure is how different
it is from side to side, howdifferent it is from segment to segment.
And based upon that, it's notabout the core temperature that matters.
It's about the asymmetries andthe inconsistencies from one level
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to the other, right?
And so for us, should it behomogeneous and perfect every single
time?
No, it's just like everybody.
No, not what, no two peopleare perfectly symmetrical structurally,
but it should be in somerespects within a specific range.
And for us, when we then kindof correlate that to the responsibilities
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of each area of the spine andeach area of the nervous system with
the self regulationneurophysiology, neurophysiologically,
with the body.
Honestly man, I don't think weneed 100% solution, but generally
we have an 80, 85 in my opinion.
I go into a resultsconversation with my patients and
I'll say, yeah, your kiddo hasrecurrent ear infections for the
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last like two years and you'vedone 10 rounds of antibiotics.
Let's see you know what'shappening there.
And let's see what you know isactually measurable because you want
to have a little bit ofcontext and because that kid, without
any exam could get adjustedand never have an ear infection again.
But we would want to know tosome degree a basis for what we can
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actually measure.
Because this is not mine, right?
This is 20 bucks on Amazon.
But a parent could do it, right?
Instead of saying, hey, do youhave a temperature today?
Like, oh gosh, it's, it's,it's 100 degrees.
It's 101.
You're gonna die, right?
Because there's nothing thatis self regulating your body.
It gives you a little bit morecontext to what's actually self regulating
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and what's not.
Hey bro, can you give us the,the elevator Pitch for the power
of chiropractic and also someof the most incredible stories that
you've personally witnessedand experienced through your practice.
Chiropractic is, is basedupon, in my opinion, what we call
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neurospinal hygiene.
Right?
Most people brush their teeth,most people go to the dentist to
some degree.
Many of your listenersprobably go to a biological dentist.
But when you ask people, and Iwould say it's changing today with
fascia maneuvers and somaticwork and yoga and things like that,
if you ask people, hey, didyou do your neurospinal hygiene exercises
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this morning?
Like, everyone's like, whatare you talking about?
Right?
And so most of us have nevertaken care of this thing that is
literally our brain body connection.
And until they have an injury,they have a car accident or something,
and then I take their X rays,I'm like, have you ever had X rays
of your spine?
They're like, no.
Why?
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Because it's the thing thatactually supports your ability to
be a two footed human beingthat connects your brain and your
body.
And then when you actually getinto the roots of it, like interferences,
fixations and misalignments inthe spine that are actually very
measurable, that we havecorrelated to dysfunction or optimal
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function in the body when theyactually become more mobile and aligned,
optimize communication morethan anything, right?
We generally will have a onebar communication pathway in our
nervous system and the effectsof that are all the symptoms that
we might express.
And in conventional medicinethey look at all the different symptoms
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and take you to every other specialist.
And in our world we'd say,well, why don't we back into the
systems that control thosesymptoms, then why don't we back
into the nervous system thatcontrols those systems?
And if we can actuallyunderstand and be able to measure
that, do something to helpthat nervous system have better alignment
and mobility and measure itand see what the outcome is.
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And if we can do that, thenoftentimes we see dramatic changes,
right?
And so, you know, I was justtalking about, you know, ear infections.
We just had a kiddo come inand they didn't start care based
on, based upon my recommendation.
But she has had ear infectionsevery two weeks since the beginning
of the year.
She started coming in probablyaround June, so about six straight
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months.
And so this is second yearlife, you know, so it's not something
she had previously before.
Get into the history and westart hearing about, you know, challenges
in terms of the way that shewas birthed.
You know, that's a big, bigprimary driver Especially to little
ones.
Most people don't know thatbirth trauma is a thing unless you
ask a mom, right?
Or unless you ask, you know, providers.
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And unless you actually assesschildren, right?
And so do my assessment.
Talk to mom.
Mom says we can't do your recommendation.
However they came, and shehasn't had one, like ear infection,
right?
Every two weeks for six monthsand then not one ear infection.
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And it's not because I treatedher ear infections.
I wasn't doing any drops oranything like that, wasn't doing
any supplements or antibioticsand things like that.
Most people don't know thatear infections are actually a plumbing
issue.
They're lymphatic issue,they're a sinus issue.
And most people don't know that.
C1, the top vertebrae in yourneck, that nerve controls a small
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muscle called your tensorvalley palatini muscle that opens
and closes your station tube.
And if that vertebra is out ofalignment or fixated and we can measure
it and then do something aboutit, just like you unclog a drain,
they should never have earinfections again, right?
So we see probably 50, 60 kids.
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I would say the most dramaticthing we see with, with, with children
has to do with children whohave been either injured by shots
or have some sort ofdysregulation that is akin to what
is now one in six childrenglobally, right?
One in six actually.
United States.
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I don't know about globally,but one in six kids has a neurodevelopmental
disorder.
In the United States, one infour children in public school today
require special education.
And so very commonly we'll have.
One of the primary symptomsthat kids will have is speech delay.
And so sometimes we have fullon non verbal.
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And this is kind of aninteresting conversation just about
telepathy tapes.
And a lot of things that arecoming out is that sometimes we'll
have kids come in and.
And they'll like, becompletely non verbal.
And then mom will be like, oh,yeah, he told his brother he loved
him the other day.
And you're like, what?
Like, tell me, tell me more, right?
Or speech pathologists and OTsand PTs and behavioral therapists
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and ABA will immediately askmom and dad, like, what are you doing
differently, right?
Because all these things thatwe've been working on for so long
are actually, you know, thathad kind of plateaued are now just
totally like blossoming, you know.
And so we see it.
You name the condition fromlike oppositional defiance and anxiety
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to, you name it.
Like, we see kids, like, it'snot A matter of if kids heal.
It's when and how and basedupon what we get to measure.
Like we see it every day, right?
I would say, not to say easyor hard, but digestive challenges,
right?
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Most people, like, I got a dirt.
I did a live for our vaccineworkshop over the weekend and this
patient, this, this person waslike, hey, you know, I want to ask
you a question.
And kept asking a specific,specific way.
And I didn't really understand it.
So I said, hey, send me adirect message.
It's constipated, right?
Can't poop, but doneeverything right, Done every functional
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medicine, done every, like,you name it, all the conventional
stuff, Miralax.
And I was like, what mostpeople don't know is that, is that
they may not have a gut issue,they might have a neuro gut issue.
Now, your nervous systemcontrols your gut.
And if your nervous system isstuck in a state of fight or flight,
it actually intelligentlyshunts blood away from your immune
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system, your hormonal systemand your digestive system and all
your vital organs to one beable to prioritize getting away from
the sabertooth tiger.
But in the midst of shuttingdown gut function.
And so I just immediatelysaid, just send me a zip code and
I will find you a providerthat likely would be able to assess
whether or not the nervoussystem is interfered with in these
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particular areas.
And invariably, like, I hadpatients from every age, right?
Every age, babies that areconstipated, babies have, you know,
gut dysregulation.
And then moms will say like,oh, they poop every time after their
adjustments, but sometimesthey poop ahead of their adjustments.
And I'm like, that'sinteresting, right?
Because we think that theadjustment is the thing that heals.
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And it's not, it's an, it's anevent in the course of an individual's
life.
And we then sometimes programnervous systems to understand what
their new environmentalexperience is going to be like.
And they start pooping aheadof time and it's like, it's kind
of wild, you know.
So that's just kids, you know,I like to talk about kids because
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in general I think it's one ofthe biggest ways that we can make
the biggest impact on humanity.
And in my opinion, if you're aproperly trained pediatric chiropractor
or if you're an adult lookingfor a chiropractor, I would actually
look sometimes at a pediatricchiropractor because the complexity
of understanding kids nervoussystems today actually gives a pretty
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strong blueprint on Helpingalmost every adult.
Thank you, man.
You're looking for, though?
No, it was definitely, definitely.
I mean, I used to see a chiroa fair bit.
I just haven't in years.
I'm just listening to thisconversation now and I was like,
I need to get back to a chiropractor.
What's that?
I know, man.
I, I was thinking about likemaking a meme, you know, because
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I would say there's.
And this.
So, so this is partially it, right?
Most people, if you go intolike the back end, like I was telling
my patient today, I was like,he told the surgeon that he's, that
he's, you know, canceling his surgery.
And I was like, don't tell himyou're coming here.
I was kind of saying it as a joke.
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But it's interesting becauseonce people know that chiropractic
is somehow in the picture,it's like, oh, it changes like the
perception, right?
But most people don't knowthat we have a built in perception
socially on what chiropractic is.
Not because they have apersonal experience, but because
that was actually part of theAMA's job.
Their job was to create apsychological operation around all
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holistic care.
But we were like public enemynumber one, right?
So a lot of people havehesitations mostly because there's,
you know, unspokendiscriminations, but also because
it's a little weird, right?
It's like the, the, the widerange of chiropractors that you would
experience just by going likein your neighborhood is pretty dramatic.
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You know, I think that, I think.
That, yeah, and I think peopledo have some bad experiences which
then come.
Oh, they totally do, you know,the propaganda for, you know, the
last century and, and even now you.
In our world where we'retalking about and sharing certain
truths, if, if you're achiropractor, sharing it.
I mean, how many times do yousee the comment, well, you're not
a real doctor.
You know what I mean?
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Like, I've seen that so many times.
And so it's still out there inthe collective where you know, people
make those blanket statements,you know.
But then on our side, I wouldsay there is, there's definitely
a, I don't know what the rightword is because I don't like to homogenize
like a profession, you knowwhat I mean?
I think everybody's got theirown individual journey, but at the
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same time, there are standardsof excellence that we should, we
should be literally trying tolive through every single day.
And it should come out in yourwork, especially if you're a provider,
right.
No one wants to go to aprovider that is late to all their
interviews.
No, I'm just kidding.
But it's one of those things.
But the quality, when it comesdown to your quality of care, if
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people know in you innatelythat you're not putting forward your
best when you're a medicaldoctor, infrastructurally, they might
still come anyways.
They might still listen to youbecause of authority.
But if you're like achiropractor or any other or homeopath,
like, they give you one shotand chiropractors should recognize
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that.
They should recognize that.
Like, I know that if patientscome in and they don't accept care,
not because I'm egotisticaland angry, it's the fact that they
may take 10 years to trysomething natural again.
Right.
And why that's important is,dude, like, the miracle that is possible,
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the miracles that are possiblewhen you actually get it right are
just not possible.
They're unheard of inconventional healthcare.
And in my opinion, they'revery difficult in sometimes your
own journey.
Not to say that we should allbe subservient to doctors, but sometimes
it's me helping the mom and myquestions, my.
(01:01:47):
I'm not dictating, I'm asking.
And I'm always almost asking,what's your intuition say?
Yeah, when I say that, like, Iwould just say, like, I will even
ask moms, like, okay, afterwe've gone through what we've gone
through, most people think,okay, I'm going to come here, it's
going to be an overnight fix,my insurance is going to pay for
all of it.
I'm not going to have tochange any part of my life.
(01:02:08):
And that's what we believe, right?
We believe that in the magicbullet, that conventional healthcare.
But when I actually do ourworkup and I'll ask mom, how long
do you think it takes to healthis at the root?
I will.
I don't know what I'm going todo with this information yet, but
it is, it's not alwaysperfect, but very often it's exactly
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what my recommendation will be.
Or it is literally plus orminus, like a very short time frame.
Yeah.
And it's usually me elicitinga mom what mom already knows.
Yeah.
All right, Doc, we don't wantyou to be late for your next appointment.
How do you want to.
How do you want to close thisout, man?
How can the, how can thepeople connect?
(01:02:53):
What do you want to share?
And any final statements.
Yeah.
TheFutureGen.com that is whereour podcast is.
If you're in SouthernCalifornia, especially San Diego,
future generations.
SD.com obviously, you can findme on Instagram or the podcast.
I would just say in general,like, the thing that I feel most
called to, especially youguys, man, I love getting connect.
(01:03:17):
Getting connect with you, yourosmos, and actually interviewing
you, Joel.
We'll get that back on thebook soon.
I want to applaud, like, whoyou guys are to me, mainly because
the thing that I think thatyou guys bring is the ability to
navigate the nuance in waysthat I think just the two ends don't
actually even entertain today.
(01:03:37):
Right.
In the anti side and the provac side or whatever, like the pro
establishment side, it's like there's.
It's just blind.
But then on our side, I thinkwe're affected by the thing that
I've been sharing about interms of what the AMA was successful
at doing.
That inciting division that.
That crazy polarization that'snot only in society, but it's actually
in our hearts.
Yeah.
(01:03:57):
And I would say what I loveabout what you guys communicate is
that it's got to be thisauthentic alignment.
Right.
This.
And I, I mean that with allthe pun intended in terms of chiropractic,
like I've said from the veryearly times that I've been a chiropractor,
that most of us havedysfunction and symptoms and chronic
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challenges because we haven'tbeen listening to, to, to ourselves.
And we can't put our head downon our pillow with good, clear conscience.
And I believe you guys, youguys deliver that in a way that I
feel is much more pragmatic.
And at the end of the day, I just.
I just wanted to say thatbecause I just love that you guys
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are on this mission with us.
And, you know, thanks, bro.
Yeah, thank you so much, man.
It means a lot to hear.
And so, you know, get thatacknowledgment for sure.
Have to do this again.
Maybe go a little, littlelonger sometime down the road, but
absolute pleasure.
And I know for sure so manypeople are going to get so much value
out of this.
And so to everyone listening,we'll see you next time.
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Take care.
Doctor Stanton Hum is thefounder of Future Generations, a
global movement normalizingvibrant health through freedom focused
care and education to unlockour innate genetic potential.
He and his team have built oneof the world's top clinics with an
innovative against the grainapproach that catalyzes radical healing
of chronic issues across all ages.
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A graduate of west point witha BS in chemistry, life science,
pre medicine, Dr. Stanton wasfortunate enough to be selected for
an internship at Walter ReedArmy Medical Center.
After completing Los AngelesCollege of Chiropractic in 2010,
he served San Diego, San Diegowith vitalistic chiropractic care
specializing in the wholefamily, from preconception through
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birth, infants, childhood and beyond.
His own healing journey led toa chiropractic breakthrough in 2013,
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He also hosts the FutureGenerations podcast and a prenatal
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Stanton.
Welcome to Here for the Truth, man.
Hey, what's up, guys?
How are you guys?
I'm honored to be here.
Oh yeah, absolute pleasure, man.
One way we always like to kickoff these conversations is we want
to get a little bit deeperinto your personal story, your personal
hero's journey, some of themajor catalyzing, I guess, rites
of passage that led you intodoing what you do today and who you
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are today.
Yeah, man, that's.
I mean, it's kind of crazy.
I was texting back and forthwith one of my buddies from West
Point.
I graduated West Point in 2000freaking 25 years ago, man.
Like, it's hard to, it's hard,it's hard to even like contemplate
that I'm that old one too.
Like, it's, it's, it's weird,you know, because he's asking me
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about our 25 year reunion.
You know, I have a whole hostof new perspectives on what West
Point was.
Obviously you guys are, youknow, you, you guys and I are friends
with Alec, and so, you know,we share a lot of different perspectives
about indoctrination of publiceducation, things like that.
But the last reunion wasduring COVID and he's like, dude,
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they took Covid from us.
So there's a handful of guysthat actually are awake to what's
going on.
But in 2020, I didn't know anyof them.
Like none of them at all.
And so because of Alec andbecause I've been so vocal, I think
a lot of these West Pointgrads and academy grads have kind
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of Woken up to what's beengoing on.
So it makes me a little bitinterested, you know, because it's.
It's interesting to, like,watch the transformation, but, man,
rewind.
25 years.
You know, that was the startof my army career.
I did four years of theacademy, five years at, you know,
active duty.
I did a year in Iraq.
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I did three years inactiveafter that.
Definitely had, you know, fourdiagnosable chronic conditions that
the military medical complexwas like, hey, you're super healthy.
Go back into the world.
No big deal.
You're going to be just fine.
Um, great job, you know, and Iwas not great.
I could physically do whateverI wanted.
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I could mentally do whatever I wanted.
I could put my head down andpretty much accomplish anything,
you know, physically ormentally in life.
But I was not healthy.
And I knew it, but I didn'tknow the roots of it, right?
So I was in Iraq.
And what's interesting, mybrother was in his first year of
practice.
He graduated in 2003.
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That's when I was.
Was in Iraq.
And he sent me.
He sent me three books while Iwas in Iraq.
He sent me a book on acupuncture.
It's a super good book.
I think you guys would.
Would really dig it.
It's called the Web that Hasno Weaver.
Super, super Dope.
And then he sent me a book onchiropractic, and he sent me Joe
Mercola's book on nutrition.
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And so that started my journey.
You know, as I was in Iraq, Iwas like, shoot, I'm learning about
the food industry and in ourdining facilities.
I'm realizing it's all thefood industry.
You know, you're just havingthese, you know, existential crises
moments in Iraq, about the world.
Meanwhile, you know, you'regetting shot at in sniper positions
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and all sorts of things like that.
And so what I knew then wasthat I was definitely getting out.
Number.
The second thing that I knewwas, man, I think I knew where my
path was going to go.
Like, I had.
I had a little bit of a beaconon what my life could be about because
of how, like, how muchinformation I was actually able to
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acquire through three books onhow the body heals itself, on how
there's one that's superenergetic, super chi focused, you
know, like all the differentaspects of.
Of energy.
And the other was.
Was similar, but it was like,as I was learning as a layperson,
like, there are weathersystems and atmospheric aspects of
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the way that a system works,an ecosystem works.
And then there's also like,the Terrain, Right.
And that's how I kind of usethe examples, analogies of why chiropractic
and acupuncture and otherforms of manual mechanical, you know,
material based care versus,you know, some would call it somatic
versus like this energy type perspective.
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And I was learning that when Iwas like in my.
Dude, I was like in my early20s, you know, I was in my early
20s, 23, 24.
And I didn't know, besidesbeing pre med, besides knowing that
I was going to go intohealthcare to some degree and you
know, that, that, that time atWalter Reed was crazy because I was
vying for 20 spots, like 20spots for Med school coming out of
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the academy out of a thousand candidates.
And I was one of the top candidates.
And then I got to Walter Reed.
Dude, I've seen some prettycool stuff in two weeks.
You see like open heart surgery.
It's freaking nuts, man.
When you actually scrub in andyou're watching them operate on a
heart, like it's, it's, it'sremarkable, you know.
And then brain surgery, like Ithought it was weird that they had
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a whiteboard with a 2D imageand then a 3D human being, conscious
being, you know, they get doneand they're like, hey, if you, if
he, if he talks, we're good.
We're like, okay, and he talksand you're like sweet.
I guess we're good.
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I guess we're good.
Who knows, right?
Who, who actually knows nowwhen you understand like the course
of how these invasiveprocedures that life saving and things
like that, but then what thecourse of healing is afterward, right?
I saw orthopedic surgery, sawall sorts of the best of what military
medicine could do at the time.
And I came out of it, I waslike, I'm out.
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Like I went into mechanical engineering.
I didn't go, I didn't stay inpre med because I just didn't, I
didn't feel like that wasgoing to be the direction that my
life was going to go in.
And I chose to go into the military.
You know, the military doesits thing on you.
And got out of the military2005, moved to San Diego.
So I've basically been heresince, except for grad school and
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discovered that you cancompletely heal your body and your
mind outside of the system.
And I've been focused on doingthat for helping people facilitate
that since.
And so the thing that I wouldsay is really important to, to note
about my own healing journeybecause basically it was like there
was always a foundation ofself healing Mine, obviously, I'm
a chiropractor.
I'm biased, but that was mine.
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You know, in terms of nervoussystem focused, helping your body
passively self regulatebetter, but then just being open
to everything.
My brother would teach me.
So basically, I went from military.
I could run a half.
Like, he was training for theLa Jolla half marathon.
Like, dude, do you want to run it?
I was like, yeah, sure.
When is it?
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He's like, this weekend.
I was like, yeah, all right.
And I just crush all of myfriends because I could just do anything
I wanted to from a physical capacity.
And then afterwards, he'slike, dude, are you okay?
I'm like, I'm great.
And he goes, no, like, are youokay because you're pretty sick.
He's like.
Like, he could tell, like,living with me for like a.
(08:21):
A couple days from digestiveto not, you know, I don't know exactly
what he was looking at.
I would say that what he waslooking at now is how I look at my
patients is like, you can tellwhen somebody's totally dysregulated.
You can tell when their systemis so, you know, toxic.
You can tell when their.
Their systems are not outactually self healing.
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And.
And that's started my journey,you know, from yoga to breath work
to, you name it.
Like, I was learning it.
And I would say, you know, hesaid that?
No, I felt six weeks in, I waslike, dang, man, I feel like I'm
17 again.
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Like, like, before I went tothe military.
And then six months in, hetold me.
He was like, dude, I thinkyou're my healthiest patient.
And I was like, cool, becauseI was 26.
And I was like, I'm just gonnado everything that you advise me
to do.
Your brother was a doctor already?
My brother was a chiropractorat the time that I got out.
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He was two years in practicewhen I was in Iraq.
And he was giving me those resources.
Yeah, he was in his first yearpractice, you know, and so for those
who are listening and they'reyour providers, I just want to encourage
you that, you know, I teachyoung providers.
I say, you know, on every anygiven day, you're far safer and far
more effective at getting tothe root cause of what's going on
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than anybody in theconventional medical system.
Some people don't like to hearthat in the system.
But a new grad outside ofschool who actually was really good.
My brother's really goodbecause he did all these, like, postgraduate
seminars during his training.
So when he was ready to gointo practice.
He was more fired up than, youknow, most new graduates are.
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And then even still, if you'rea new grad, you're far safer.
You're not going to hurt anybody.
Number two, you're.
If you actually just teachpeople root cause healing, you are
going to dramatically changethe trajectory of their life.
And I hope that gives some ofyour listeners who are providers
that are, you know, thatconfidence that on any given day,
like we far are so far.
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I mean, it's true, it's true,it's just true.
I'm not, I'm not a, I don'thave a. I'm not a chiropractor.
I've said for years, like,maybe I'm overconfident, but I said,
if you line up 100 people thataren't doing well, I guarantee you
I can guide them back tohealth more than conventionally trained.
MD well, and that's, that'ssomething that, I mean, I told Alec
early on, I was, I was reallylike during COVID that was something
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that was like a, like a momentfor me.
One, because I had already.
I mean, I'm teaching a vaccineworkshop here in the next like couple
of weeks.
I've been teaching them fornow, 16 years of practice, like teaching,
teaching parents, especiallyin California, about not only the
gravity of the decision, butit's usually something that I've
called the, the most asked andnot asked question that parents have
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in pediatric healthcare today.
And I just have thatconversation, right?
But when Covid came around, Iwas like, this is a hoax.
Like, I immediately, I knewthat something was up and that I
brushed it off first.
And then when my, when my teamtold me that people were super scared
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and I was like, are you scared?
Because this is my team that I trained.
They're like, yeah, a little.
I was like, okay, let's go to work.
Like, we gotta start.
We, we are going to be one ofthe primary educators.
I just kind of had thatfeeling back then, back in 2000 2020.
But then I started to see Alecpop up.
I started to see Alec's mompop up.
I started to see all these platforms.
I was like, who.
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Who are these people?
You know, and, and itliterally flipped it on its head.
And I appreciate you sayingthat your osmos.
Because I don't even care thatI'm a doctor anymore.
Like, my job really as adoctor is actually to like, I just
did like 10 minutes ago, oneof my patients, double hip replacement,
like all sorts of like, juststuff, right?
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He's Grandpa of one of thefamily members that I actually get
to take care of.
We take care of multiple generations.
And he goes to on vacation, hecomes back, he's like, hey, I canceled
my surgery.
I was like, huh?
Why?
Tell me about it?
And, like, the conversationbefore he left, I was like, okay,
like, let's just talk throughthis from an informed consent perspective.
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For those of your listenerswho may or may not know what informed
consent is.
It's actually a thing.
It's actually a calculableprocess to understand things.
It's benefits and risks of thethings that you're thinking about
doing.
It's the alternatives of thething that you're thinking about
doing.
And then it's the benefits andthe risk of the.
If you do nothing.
And if you can actually gothrough all that.
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It's actually what our humanmind wants to understand and wants
to understand all thepotential outcomes.
And that's where you get peaceof mind.
That is not mine.
And so I send this patient on.
On.
On vacation, and he goes, man,I'm wondering if I even need it.
I was like, I want you to sitback and think about the fact that
you actually asking thatquestion at all, at all is probably
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a sign that your intuition isprobably telling you the answer.
So you go on vacation and youtell me what you come back with on
when you come back.
And that's really the goal,right, is that it should be the case
that you guys generally laypeople, right?
Not saying that, derogatorysaying that.
Like, in the old hierarchy of.
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Of society, it's like, thedoctors are the authority.
The reality is, how do we justgive that back to everybody?
How do we give that back tothe people?
And I just credit.
That's why I love Alex somuch, is that he was one of the first
that I was like, ooh.
Like, this is our, in myopinion, our battle.
If we get into, like, thehistory of chiropractic and things
like that, we were, like,literally bred for this moment.
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And most of the providers weresilent, and most of them were so
afraid to say anything becauseof whatever social stigma from board
investigations, from all sortsof things.
And the people who rose werethe people who were supposed to rise,
you know, which was thepeople, right?
And so anyways, like, when.
When did you decide you weregoing to become, like, as outspoken
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as you have been?
And.
And as you are, and like, howdid the, like, I guess the general
population of your patients,like, responded to that at that time?
Yeah, good, good, Good question.
In the beginning, it was.
I Knew what.
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I knew about what washappening, and I knew was going to
point to a vaccine.
I just knew it was.
Yeah.
I didn't know there was goingto be passports.
I didn't know there was goingto be surveillance.
I didn't know there was goingto be AI.
You know, all the things thatwere obviously, you know, traversing
now, which is obviously anextension of what happened in 2020,
which is an extension off of.
You go back, you go with ChrisCrutchfield and MK Ultra.
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You go down the path, you'relike, dude, this has been in play
for a long time.
Early on, I just put my.
I put my community into aFacebook group, and I didn't talk
about.
Because I know how to do this.
I know to have this conversation.
I know how polarizing it is.
I know how families divide.
You lose people the closest toyou because of the stances that you
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take.
And so the initial message waslike, guard your heart, guard your
mind, guard yourself from thetsunami wave of fear and anxiety
that's going to be coming.
That's the only thing that Itaught about in the beginning.
And then I would just shareinformation about the tsunami wave,
not about one way versus the other.
And I let people kind of startto, like, ruminate on that.
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But it wasn't until Iinterviewed a couple you may know,
Devin Rana.
Dr. Devin.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She hosted an event early2020, and was called the Freedom
Revival.
And it was a.
Just the Freedom event withDell and.
And Bobby back then.
And I think Andy Wakefield was there.
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And.
And I was like, dude, Devin.
Because she was.
She's pretty, like, incrediblein the world, but in chiropractic,
she's one of the top, like,top, like, influencers in chiropractic.
And I was like, how'd you do it?
Let's talk.
I just started the podcast,and I had her on, and she goes, I
had five weeks, man.
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He's like, when are you goingto do yours?
I was like, I had, like, sixweeks because I was thinking about
having our first heart of freedom.
And she was like, tag, you're it.
And I was like, kind of like,oh, I don't know what to do.
I'm not sure how to plan this.
I don't know what.
She's like, it's like a wedding.
You have enough time as youhave, and you're going to take all
the time that you have.
But if you know that this iswhat you're supposed to be doing,
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tag, you're it.
You got to do it.
And so we Were getting readyfor a heart of freedom one, which
was 1212, 2020.
We had Lee Dundas, we hadNurse Aaron, we had Melissa Floyd.
I'm not sure if you guys knowwho Melissa Floyd is.
She was one of the main, likeCalifornia activists before COVID
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like back when all the lawswere changing in California.
Her and Bob Sears have apodcast called the Vaccine Conversation.
Incredible podcast.
She really helped like, guideme or early on we had Dell and we
had, you know, a lot of thepeople that were just speaking into
the that truth back then.
And I had no, like, platform.
I didn't want one.
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I didn't like social media.
I still don't like social media.
I still don't really know howto use it.
And I was interviewingeverybody leading up to it.
And like from Tommy to Alec toeven Dell, they're just like, you're
interviewing us, but we'relearning more from you.
Not because I was forcing iton them, but because I had a different
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perspective.
And then they're just like,why aren't you, why aren't you speaking
out more?
I was like, I don't know howto do this.
Like, I don't even know how tomake like.
And Alec goes, dude, just goon Twitter and make a meme and then
screenshot it and then share it.
And I was like, what?
He's like, yeah, like go onTwitter, share it, tag me.
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And that's it.
And like, that's how it started.
Like, I didn't even know howto like create a meme, you know,
back then.
I get it.
So in the end, I get it.
I'm not very tech savvy either.
So.
So that like started the myplatform and it was because these
people that I respected that Iwas bringing out to my event were
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like, dude, we're, we.
We don't even really know whoyou are, but you obviously have something
to give into this world.
Some way to serve and like, do it.
And that's, that's what happened.
We ended up having, we wantedto have maybe a couple hundred people
show up to our event.
It was one of the first inperson events.
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We took us a while to find the venue.
It was an old TV station.
It is an old TV stationbuilding and complex that's owned
by a Russian.
One of my team members at timefound it and he was like, oh, so
what are you going to do?
What are you going to do here?
You know what, what kind of aprogram is it going to be?
Is like Bill Gates, you know,like, he wants to take over the world.
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And we're like, dude, do youwant to speak?
You know, like.
But that was what he was doing.
He was hosting weddings andchurch services, and he created a
place where people could comeand host.
So we thinking we're going tohave a couple hundred people.
And we ended up selling 808 tickets.
And then we ended up having1100 people in person, like standing
room only.
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And dude, it was like, it waslike a freaking sweat box speakeasy.
And like Dell during his talk,he's like, hey, Judy, stand up.
And it was Judy Mikovich.
She was in the back.
You know, like people wereactually coming out to be a part
of it.
And then we ended up hostingtwo more.
We hosted Heart of Freedom 2and 3.
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Heart of Freedom 2 was.
That was 1212, 2020.
Heart of Freedom 2 was March 2721.
That's when all thedeplatforming for, for us started
to happen.
And then heart of freedom 3was 1213 12, 11, 2021.
And we had, we had 2200 peoplein person live at, at Liberty Station.
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And it was, it was incredible.
It was one of like I, I,outside of my, my wedding day and
the birth of my two kids, likeI would say those events were some
of my favorite days in the world.
And so it started from justthe guy saying you have something
to say and if you havesomething to say, just share it.
And then it's, then it, thenit becomes like, who do you know?
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Right.
And it's, it's kind of cool,you know, because those relationships
are still pretty solid, youknow, for the most part.
Yeah, I remember hearingabout, I think one of the events
and wanting to maybe drivedown from the LA area.
To, to go to it.
So that's cool, man.
I actually, I'm really curious.
I want to kind of back up alittle bit.
One, when did you first startgetting into vaccines?
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You know, when did you firstgo, oh, this thing, this thing that,
you know, we're told is thepanacea, you know, and it's like
safe, effective, all that whenyou start hearing about that.
But then also, even within thechiropractic community, you have
certain chiropractic schoolsthat seem a little bit more allopathic,
Western aligned.
And then you have otherschools that are a little bit more
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esoteric.
Yep.
In terms of their beliefsystems and what some people would
say, oh, they're, that's amore woo, woo, you know, chiropractic
school.
So can you even talk about that?
Just, even within thechiropractic community, you know
how things differ becausethere are chiropractors that are
like super pro vaccine andthen you have, they have others that
like scream from the rooftopslike get that shit out of your body
and don't even touch it.
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I, I actually pride myself onhow much I know about chiropractic
history.
Right.
Like I think it is one of therichest histories from a healthcare
perspective.
And I believe that the rootsof chiropractic are in my opinion,
I think the time for humanityand consciousness is ready for what
we actually represent.
Now with that said, we've beena divided profession from very early
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on.
And if you think aboutRockefeller medicine, which we took
them to court and won, you canresearch the Wilk W I L K vs AMA
court case that up until likethe 70s and 80s, chiropractors were
getting jailed for practicingmedicine without a license.
And long, long and short ofit, like over the course of our now
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130 years, hundreds ofchiropractors were jailed thousands
of times for be by essentiallyRockefeller medicine.
Right?
And it's, it's wild to thinkthat over the course of COVID there
weren't that many of usspeaking out to the degree that in
my opinion, I think we werekind of bred for.
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Right?
So I was reading chiropractichistory books before I went to chiropractic
school too because I ended upmoving to San Diego and then I was
just all in.
I was all in.
I didn't do anything.
I got out of the military, hadsome savings, I grew my hair out
to, to here.
I basically worked out everyday, surfed three or four times a
day and that was my rehab.
That's why I was able to, youknow, dramatically transform and
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heal.
And one of the books that mybrother gave me was a book titled
Vaccine A by Gary Matsumoto.
And Vaccine A is specificallyabout the anthrax program.
And so when I went to Iraq, Igot five out of the six series anthrax
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shots.
And honestly at the time Ididn't know a ton.
But I saw right back then yousaw people resist.
You saw them resist the annualflu shot.
You saw them get, you know,discharged and you know, non meritorious
ways and punished UCMJ like,like court cases and things like
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that.
And so at the end I was like,whoa, there's something here that
I don't really know about.
Although I hate shots, right?
But when I read this book, ittalked about, you know, different
experimental adjuvants.
It talked about how anthrax isjust Plain and simply in an experimental
program.
And I'm like, reading this,like, as I'm trying to heal myself,
but I'm like, holy.
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Like, like 911 and pre 9 11,all the scares with people being
sent anthrax in the mail, youknow, and all the things that people
were afraid of.
And then it just kind of getsyour mind going about where it maybe
started from.
And then the onslaught on the,you know, military personnel going
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into deployment.
And that's, you know.
So when people get intodebates with me now, like, I don't
typically debate becausethere's, there's, there's rarely
a level playing field.
There's never, there's rarelya definition of terms that people
can agree on.
And there's a completeparadigm, like, difference that makes
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debating stupid.
It makes it unproductive, butit also makes it really, really,
like, it's dumb, right?
And, but then I tell people,I'm like, dude, I've been studying
this longer than I've been a chiropractor.
I've been studying.
So I, I, I got that book.
And then immediately mybrother gave me a ton of Sherry Tenpenny's
DVDs.
And I just started to watch those.
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Those are back in the day,like, old PowerPoints with, like,
blue screen, neon blue screen,yellow text.
It changes frames.
It's like, like, it's like thegraphics of animations between slides.
Sherry's like, you know, lookslike from the 90s.
You see her hair?
It's like, you're like, dude,this is.
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But I watched all of them.
I consumed all of them.
And when I went tochiropractic school, I went to one
of those schools, right?
When I was, during 2020, ourschool said and came out that they
were pro, like, measles vaccines.
And they were pro, like, they were.
Actually there's a PA programon the campus now.
So they actually delivervaccines in the health clinic now
in a chiropractic school thatwas founded in 1911, right?
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We were 19.
And back then it waschiropractic only they started the
acupuncture school later.
It was too holistic, obviously.
You know, professions.
And then you see theinfiltration of conventional medicine,
right?
And now I think they have a PTprogram and they have all sorts of
things, right?
They call it integrative, butin reality, they're just, I don't
know what the right word is.
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Compromised, Right?
And diluted.
But in my community healthpublic health class, which you only
get one, I, like, open my syllabus.
I go to the Day.
I'm like, vaccines, let's go.
Right?
I'm looking for that date.
And you get to the class,first day of the two tenured medical
doctors are like, okay, justso we want to review the syllabus.
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Flip to week seven.
I don't know if it's week seven.
Like, flip to week seven.
This conversation here.
We're not going to have that conversation.
I was like, that's the vaccine conversation.
Like, why aren't we going tohave that conversation?
We're not going to have theconversation because the science
is settled and we don't needto have that conversation.
It is so day one or in thefirst few weeks.
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I didn't wait till week seven.
I brought the conversation.
And it's literally the rootsof my vaccine workshop now.
It's the things that I did inthe moment on the fly that could
put these tenured medicalproviders, like, they had no concept
of what I was going to bringinto that conversation.
I didn't really know what Iwas going to bring into that conversation,
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but in my mind I was like, Ialready know how to do this stuff.
So I just, like, at the time,it was like, early was 2007.
So, like, technology isdifferent back then.
Still Google things, and Ijust Google vaccine ingredients,
PDF, and back then it wouldbring up the CDC excipient list.
And I, like, I have like a tonof students around me because everybody's
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like, you know, curious.
They don't really know.
And within like, five seconds,they were like, why is there formaldehyde
in there?
Right?
Like, it was the first time that.
The students or the MDs.
The students first.
And then afterwards, like, youknow, I. I made it really simple.
I was like, hey, control f and.
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And I showed the medical doctors.
I was like, so we go toanatomy lab.
You scrub in, right?
You basically wear, you know,gowns, gloves, goggles, some sort
of cap, right?
Why?
Because when you're doinganatomy, you're cutting cadavers
and they're preserved in formaldehyde.
If you touch it, if youbreathe it, if you're.
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If you get too much exposure,go to the eye wash, go clean yourself
off, because you might getcancer, right?
And so I showed them, like,right away.
I was like, you can control fthis document.
Don't type in formaldehyde.
Type in formal.
Because there's multiplederivatives of formaldehyde.
There's formaldehyde andthere's formalin, and there's like,
over 20 vaccines that haveformaldehyde in them.
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It's like, so what's what'sthe benefit of injecting that?
And they're just like.
And I'm like, okay, now I'mgoing to go to the EPA website, right?
I'm going to show you what thegovernment says about this toxin.
Because at back then, lumber,God, what was that company like Lumber
Liquidators or something, theygot sued for formaldehyde, like toxicity
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and not reporting something.
And so if you go to the EPAwebsite, if you breathe it, if you
touch it, if you eat it, it'scarcinogenic risk.
So I said, how can youpossibly inject that into anyone,
let alone children?
And these doctors were like.
I was like, oh, you don't havean answer?
It's over.
Like, I.
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You are tenured professor onmy campus teaching me, and you can't
answer this question?
I think I win.
And I'm a student.
I'm a student at the time, butI was already two years into the
research of how to heal myself.
And realizing that when I didone detox, I was like, do I feel
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lighter?
I feel leaner, I feel clearer,I feel weird.
You know, back then I waslike, I didn't know that you could
do something like that andexperience that much health transformation.
But for me, it started withthat book and then following up Education
to Heal Myself.
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And then when it came time tolike, learn about chiropractic, just
so you have an idea, one ofthe main strategies of the AMA back
then was to.
They called it the mission oftheir commission.
They called it a commission onchiropractic, but they thought it
was too noble.
If your listeners want aresource, the.
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The documentary is called Doctored.
It was.
It was produced by a man namedJeff Hayes, who I think just put
one out about Bobby.
Anyways, they go through thisentire court case in the background
of it, right?
And they created thiscommission on chiropractic, but that
they renamed to a commissionon quackery because chiropractic
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was too noble.
But one of their primarystrategies was to, you know, their
mission was to contain andeliminate chiropractic.
But their primary strategy wasto incite division, that they would
infiltrate into our professionand create a chasm between the two.
And what they did was they didwhat conventional medicine does is
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they basically create onethat's in alignment with medicine,
that has all the cultureauthority that we now in the profession
call, because they still havethe foothold mostly in academia and
science.
Meaning the main PubMed indexjournals in chiropractic are owned
by very specific camps that wecall the Cartel, we call them the
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cartel because they are boughtand sold.
There are still states inUnited States that chiropractors
are aiming to do prescriptive rights.
They want to do some minor surgeries.
They're trying to change thescope of chiropractic.
But the rest of us, I wouldsay, are mostly confused.
Like, we don't really knowwhat our identity is.
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But when you move down thatkind of esoteric route, I think Covid
allowed, and I don't think weall took advantage of it.
But when I went to Devin'sevent, I got to meet Ben Tapper,
I got to meet Brad Campbell,and I got.
Obviously, Devin, I knewalready, and then a couple other
chiropractors.
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And in chiropractic, even onthe side that cares about self healing,
there's division.
Right.
And there's camps that they.
We shouldn't like each other.
But I was just texting Bradthis morning about his kid, you know,
and I love Brad, you know, like.
And there's different campsthat the.
The ability to incite divisionin a profession or in our society
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is so powerful that that wastheir primary strategy, and they
were found guilty, man, we won.
And that essentially ended inus having licensure in all 50 states.
But honestly, the damage wasdone, and it's still pretty pervasive
today, you know, and so thepeople that are all in on medicine,
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they're never going to speakout about medicine.
Yeah.
The people that on our side,in my opinion, are so socially afraid
of judgment that there aren'tenough of us that are speaking out
in a way that I believe wouldmake the biggest change.
I honestly believe that ourprofession, if we.
Because there's not that manyof us.
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There's 70,000 in the states.
There's about 100,000 worldwide.
Not a lot of chiropractors.
There actually needs to bemore of us, in my opinion.
But if this side actuallyspoke up, I think we would be able
to bring maybe a little bitmore elegance, not more authority,
not more academia, not morescience to the conversation, but
maybe a little deeper.
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But we don't.
Yeah.
You know, so thank you so muchfor sharing, man.
That's.
That's incredible to hear for sure.
You mentioned you prideyourself on, you know, knowing the
history of chiropractic, and Ifeel like that's something we haven't
really touched on.
What is the origins of chiropractic?
Depends who you read, right?
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Depends what source you read.
Because even back then, like, understanding.
Understanding, like how thingswere documented back then, chiropractic
was essentially, I would say,the more well known perspectives
of September 18, 1895.
Daniel David Palmer, D.D.
palmer, the founder, he'scalled the founder of chiropractic,
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had a janitor in his officewho felt something click in his back
the, the day before and was deaf.
And Didi at the time was likeenergy healers, a magnetic healer.
He was also like, he's kind oflike a Renaissance man.
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He's an incredible genius.
Like if you actually readabout his library that he actually
mastered, like he had, he hadthis collection of books called his
traveling library.
The primary source on this isa man named Simon Senzon in chiropractic.
He's arguably, in my opinion,one of the most important people
alive that understands notjust the whole body of, of history
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of chiropractic, butunderstands like the maybe esoteric
and the kind of vitalisticroots of chiropractic that are, in
my opinion, being completelywhitewashed out of conventional academia.
Right.
But DEI was, you know,essentially theorized that, hey,
something happened in his spine.
Maybe I should assess it,adjust his mid back.
Not even his neck.
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That would be direct line intothe ears.
The neck would be.
And woke up the next morningand he.
And he could hear.
And so most people don't evenknow the first chiropractor and the
first chiropractic patientwasn't about back pain, wasn't about
neck pain, wasn't my headachesor car accidents or anything like
that.
It was 1895 and it was ajanitor that was deaf.
And Didi thinks he has thecure for deafness.
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So he creates an ad in thepaper and he says, you know, I'm
gonna cure people of their deafness.
And he doesn't, because that'snot the theory of chiropractic.
But it was one of his firstiterations where he adjusted the
rest of the people and no onegot better.
Right.
But back then, Dede and hisson BJ and a lot of the kind of forefathers
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and foremothers because therea lot of, there was a lot of women
in the roots of chiropractic.
Too many of them were nurses.
A lot of these, you know,early providers were part medicine,
part medical doctor, part DO,part Park Chiropractic.
This is 20 years after ATstill founded osteopathy, which was
also in the Midwest.
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I think they're both actuallyCanadians, which is interesting.
And chiropractic was largelypurely focused on the neurospinal
system.
Right.
It's all about, it's all aboutthe nervous system.
And so Didi basically had allof these theories.
At first, some of them didn'twork linearly, but over time they
basically have, in my opinion,stood the test of time because we
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actually do get results from people.
BJ was his son, BartlettJoshua Palmer.
He was, he's called thedeveloper of chiropractic.
It was basically, he made it aworldwide movement.
He was a master communicator.
He was empirical about what hewas measuring.
Like I have this infraredthermometer in my hand right now
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because even to this day,things that he was theorizing back
then, you can get an atlas,faucet, temperature just 95 on one
side.
I'm a little warm in this room.
And 95.1.
And your, your, your nervoussystem is so much the kind of harbinger
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of self regulation in yourbody that he was always theorizing
how he can measure how wellthe nervous system was functioning.
So this, you know, little toolback then, they called it a neurochelometer,
has evolved into this infraredthermography kind of assessment that
we actually use in our officeevery single day.
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Especially with young babies,you can actually measure where their
nervous system isthermoregulated and where their nervous
system may not be.
And then based upon regions ofthe spine, the regions of the spine
have differentresponsibilities of different organ
systems, of different waysthat the body, the nervous system,
is supposed to be selfregulating, self healing.
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And so back then he was superempirical and he was so, in my opinion,
such a great marketer andcommunicator that chiropractic went
global.
And so one other story, I knowyou want to say something or osmosis
is the reason why I believethat chiropractic is for those who
actually step into what Ibelieve we are called here to be
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is actually a story about aguy named Shagataro Morikubo.
He's like the first JapaneseAmerican, like chiropractor.
He's, he was super young.
He was, he was a primarymentee of Dee Dee Palmer, but really,
really close with BJ Palmerand DD and bj if you get into the
history, there was like a lotof like they were pretty like at
odds with each other untileven after Dee Dee passed away.
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But this young chiropractorgraduated, I think Palmer College
in 1906.
Japanese guy, right?
And BJ tells him, you're gonnago to Madison, Wisconsin.
No, lacrosse Wisconsin.
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You're going to open apractice there, you're going to get
arrested.
And because of who you are andbecause of how prepared we are.
We are then going to build thelegal fight for chiropractic.
And so back then, like,chiropractors knew that when they
opened their shingle, whenthey opened their doors, that they
were probably going to be, atminimum, discriminated against, at
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worst.
What happened to Ben Tapper,like, during COVID right?
Ben was part of thedisinformation dozen.
When I met him in 2021, hegoes, I was just.
Have you guys met Ben?
I haven't met him in person, no.
Dude, Ben's like a piercing communicator.
He's so, like, if you saw hisoriginal Facebook video that went
viral, that made him, like,you know, a global phenom.
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Nobody knows the story aboutBen, but Ben is, like, this big.
He's not.
He's not a big dude.
He meets Alec and he goes,holy cow, you're huge.
Like, he's, you know, it'slike this.
But he's.
The way he communicates is so,like, dagger, like, accurate on getting
to the core of what's going on.
But Ben was just getting readyto speak, and he's flipping through
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his phone, right?
He's looking at his phone.
And I just went up to him.
First time I ever had aconversation was like, ben, I just
wanted to tell you that Iappreciate you.
Like, I just appreciate your.
Your boldness.
I appreciate what you're doingfor a profession.
I appreciate you.
What you're doing for humanityand my kids.
And he goes, check this out.
And he, like, shows me hisphone, and it's all the text messages
that he's received from peoplewho hacked his phone, death threats,
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people that have slashed his tires.
Like, people that were saying, you.
You're.
You're not home right now, andwe know it.
So who's watching your wifeand kids?
Wow.
Right?
So this type of stuff wasthings that chiropractors were.
Were on the regular receivingin the early 1900s.
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And I believe that that's partof our, you know, like, journey that
essentially led me to stepinto a different kind of lens of
how to actually navigate.
And I looked at Ben at thatday, and I just said, I just want
you to know that you're takinga lot of arrows for us.
And I'm.
I'm willing to.
I'm willing to stand, youknow, arm in arm with you and take
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as many as I can, you know, byyour side.
Because I just.
I could see what he was doing.
I could see how much it wasaffecting him.
And the reason why I say thatis, like, the roots of chiropractic
were never about integratinginto the healthcare system.
They were never aboutacceptance socially.
It was actually socountercultural that it's a blessing
today that, that there isreal, no insurance benefit for chiropractic
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that stands any sort of like,like if you call like as a provider.
I stopped taking insurance in2012 because I was back then in my
first year of my own private practice.
And you call like you callblue cross, right?
You're like, hey, justchecking benefits for this patient,
blah, blah, blah.
And they're like, oh yeah,that patient has 24 chiropractic
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visits if it's done by amedical doctor.
And you're like, what, wait, what?
Like wait, medical doctors do chiropractic?
So you start to see the backend of how everything kind of works
together, right?
Where the insurance companywill say, hey, we have chiropractic
benefits, but they're actuallynot benefits that are actually chiropractic.
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They're, you know, kind of abastardized version of what medical
doctors would do.
And then you like, learn abouthow medical doctors learn how to
adjust.
Do you know how they learn howto adjust?
Do you know how PTs learn howto adjust?
It might be a little bit moreinfrastructural in their education
now for pts, it's a weekendseminar to adjust somebody's cervical
spine.
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You go to spinalmanipulation.com.
this is what it was back then.
I don't know if it is still today.
It's a weekend seminar thatthese providers learn how to adjust
the spine.
If you read about adversereactions in chiropractic, have you
ever heard about them?
People hear about stroke andthings like that.
If you read some of the peerreviewed index journals on chiropractic
(44:25):
and adverse reactions, youread them, right?
Like Alex sent that one aboutvaccines today.
And like, nobody reads beyondthe abstract.
So it's saying chiropractic is dangerous.
Chiropractic causes this injury.
Multiple countries that havechiropractic injuries.
And then you read it.
It's like a soccer coach thatgave the adjustment or it's a kung
fu teacher in Taiwan or a barber.
(44:46):
Like, you read the actualprimary source and you're like, oh,
it's not even chiropractic atall, right?
One last little story.
What determines risk in.
In healthcare?
Who.
How do they, sorry, how dothey evaluate risk in healthcare?
What is the, the authority onrisk in healthcare to assess it?
(45:08):
No idea.
Whether or not you die fromsomething, I don't know.
So yeah, if somebody dies,right, Then they Would.
What would.
What would happeninfrastructurally to the industry,
but especially to the provider?
What would.
What would go up, the type of.
Insurance, their costs, likemalpractice insurance.
(45:29):
Malpractice insurance, Right.
So this is my 16th year, right?
Average pediatrician, averageOB malpractice rates are somewhere.
Well, why don't you guys guess?
What do you think the malpractice.
It depends on the state,Depends on where you are in the world,
right?
No idea, man.
No.
Nobody knows.
Nobody has any concept of it, right?
But it's somewhere to theorder of like 10 and 50,000, depending
(45:51):
on what state you're in, right?
For a pediatrician or an OBhire, because they do surgery, right?
A year.
That's their premiums, right?
So what's mine?
Sixteen years and seventeenhundred bucks.
Yeah.
A year.
A year.
Whoa.
(46:11):
And so people hear that andthey're like, wait, that doesn't
make any sense.
Right?
Like, and so people getaccused of chiropractic and stroke
and people like every yearthere's an article that comes out,
you know, self magazine,different things that get publicized.
And mo.
What they don't tell you isthat most of those chiropractors
that injured.
Injured someone.
Air quotes.
(46:33):
Actually, if they look at likethe coroner's exam and everything,
it wasn't chiropractic.
They've actually done peerreviewed studies to show the cross
sectional rates of strokeafter a encounter of chiropractic,
you know, visit versus amedical doctor visit, primary care
visit, and it's higher on aprimary care visit.
(46:55):
And they don't touch them.
So the conclusion in mostcases that the stroke is already
happening and you would havesymptoms that would actually lead
you to a chiropractor or yourdoctor, but it's actually higher
for someone else, right?
So it's interesting, right,because so we know these things in
and out, that it's not justyour doctor, it's not just your hospital
system, it's not just theinsurance company, it's not just
(47:17):
the pharmaceutical industry.
It's all of it essentially inbed together.
And the reality is, why debate?
It's not even where healinghappens, right?
You should.
You should actually just leavethe system, you know?
Yeah.
Sorry.
That was a lot of information.
No, I love, I love yourstories and I love, especially since
(47:38):
we have a little limited time,I love you kind of diving into all
this and the history and.
Yeah, it's really cool.
I mean, the question I hadbefore is not relevant now.
I just saw you pull up thatheater or the, the infrared thermometer.
I was like, I think I have one.
I measured the temperature ofmy pool.
So you could just like, like put.
It up against your body.
And now what's normal?
Like what?
Like it was 95, you said so like.
Yeah, what's healthy?
(47:59):
What's not healthy?
Which is interesting.
So, so it's not a matter oflike, I mean, that's the thing, right?
Everybody's temperature shouldactually be different, right?
Although we've been programmedto say that it's 98.6.
I don't know what you, what,what Celsius is.
Joel.
Sorry, buddy.
Everywhere else in the world.
37, I think is the normal thing.
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What like our system will,will, will measure is how different
it is from side to side, howdifferent it is from segment to segment.
And based upon that, it's notabout the core temperature that matters.
It's about the asymmetries andthe inconsistencies from one level
(48:44):
to the other, right?
And so for us, should it behomogeneous and perfect every single
time?
No, it's just like everybody.
No, not what, no two peopleare perfectly symmetrical structurally,
but it should be in somerespects within a specific range.
And for us, when we then kindof correlate that to the responsibilities
(49:04):
of each area of the spine andeach area of the nervous system with
the self regulationneurophysiology, neurophysiologically,
with the body.
Honestly man, I don't think weneed 100% solution, but generally
we have an 80, 85 in my opinion.
I go into a resultsconversation with my patients and
I'll say, yeah, your kiddo hasrecurrent ear infections for the
(49:27):
last like two years and you'vedone 10 rounds of antibiotics.
Let's see you know what'shappening there.
And let's see what you know isactually measurable because you want
to have a little bit ofcontext and because that kid, without
any exam could get adjustedand never have an ear infection again.
But we would want to know tosome degree a basis for what we can
(49:50):
actually measure.
Because this is not mine, right?
This is 20 bucks on Amazon.
But a parent could do it, right?
Instead of saying, hey, do youhave a temperature today?
Like, oh gosh, it's, it's,it's 100 degrees.
It's 101.
You're gonna die, right?
Because there's nothing thatis self regulating your body.
It gives you a little bit morecontext to what's actually self regulating
(50:13):
and what's not.
Hey bro, can you give us the,the elevator Pitch for the power
of chiropractic and also someof the most incredible stories that
you've personally witnessedand experienced through your practice.
Chiropractic is, is basedupon, in my opinion, what we call
(50:34):
neurospinal hygiene.
Right?
Most people brush their teeth,most people go to the dentist to
some degree.
Many of your listenersprobably go to a biological dentist.
But when you ask people, and Iwould say it's changing today with
fascia maneuvers and somaticwork and yoga and things like that,
if you ask people, hey, didyou do your neurospinal hygiene exercises
(50:55):
this morning?
Like, everyone's like, whatare you talking about?
Right?
And so most of us have nevertaken care of this thing that is
literally our brain body connection.
And until they have an injury,they have a car accident or something,
and then I take their X rays,I'm like, have you ever had X rays
of your spine?
They're like, no.
Why?
(51:16):
Because it's the thing thatactually supports your ability to
be a two footed human beingthat connects your brain and your
body.
And then when you actually getinto the roots of it, like interferences,
fixations and misalignments inthe spine that are actually very
measurable, that we havecorrelated to dysfunction or optimal
(51:38):
function in the body when theyactually become more mobile and aligned,
optimize communication morethan anything, right?
We generally will have a onebar communication pathway in our
nervous system and the effectsof that are all the symptoms that
we might express.
And in conventional medicinethey look at all the different symptoms
(52:00):
and take you to every other specialist.
And in our world we'd say,well, why don't we back into the
systems that control thosesymptoms, then why don't we back
into the nervous system thatcontrols those systems?
And if we can actuallyunderstand and be able to measure
that, do something to helpthat nervous system have better alignment
and mobility and measure itand see what the outcome is.
(52:24):
And if we can do that, thenoftentimes we see dramatic changes,
right?
And so, you know, I was justtalking about, you know, ear infections.
We just had a kiddo come inand they didn't start care based
on, based upon my recommendation.
But she has had ear infectionsevery two weeks since the beginning
of the year.
She started coming in probablyaround June, so about six straight
(52:45):
months.
And so this is second yearlife, you know, so it's not something
she had previously before.
Get into the history and westart hearing about, you know, challenges
in terms of the way that shewas birthed.
You know, that's a big, bigprimary driver Especially to little
ones.
Most people don't know thatbirth trauma is a thing unless you
ask a mom, right?
Or unless you ask, you know, providers.
(53:07):
And unless you actually assesschildren, right?
And so do my assessment.
Talk to mom.
Mom says we can't do your recommendation.
However they came, and shehasn't had one, like ear infection,
right?
Every two weeks for six monthsand then not one ear infection.
(53:27):
And it's not because I treatedher ear infections.
I wasn't doing any drops oranything like that, wasn't doing
any supplements or antibioticsand things like that.
Most people don't know thatear infections are actually a plumbing
issue.
They're lymphatic issue,they're a sinus issue.
And most people don't know that.
C1, the top vertebrae in yourneck, that nerve controls a small
(53:48):
muscle called your tensorvalley palatini muscle that opens
and closes your station tube.
And if that vertebra is out ofalignment or fixated and we can measure
it and then do something aboutit, just like you unclog a drain,
they should never have earinfections again, right?
So we see probably 50, 60 kids.
(54:10):
I would say the most dramaticthing we see with, with, with children
has to do with children whohave been either injured by shots
or have some sort ofdysregulation that is akin to what
is now one in six childrenglobally, right?
One in six actually.
United States.
(54:30):
I don't know about globally,but one in six kids has a neurodevelopmental
disorder.
In the United States, one infour children in public school today
require special education.
And so very commonly we'll have.
One of the primary symptomsthat kids will have is speech delay.
And so sometimes we have fullon non verbal.
(54:50):
And this is kind of aninteresting conversation just about
telepathy tapes.
And a lot of things that arecoming out is that sometimes we'll
have kids come in and.
And they'll like, becompletely non verbal.
And then mom will be like, oh,yeah, he told his brother he loved
him the other day.
And you're like, what?
Like, tell me, tell me more, right?
Or speech pathologists and OTsand PTs and behavioral therapists
(55:15):
and ABA will immediately askmom and dad, like, what are you doing
differently, right?
Because all these things thatwe've been working on for so long
are actually, you know, thathad kind of plateaued are now just
totally like blossoming, you know.
And so we see it.
You name the condition fromlike oppositional defiance and anxiety
(55:38):
to, you name it.
Like, we see kids, like, it'snot A matter of if kids heal.
It's when and how and basedupon what we get to measure.
Like we see it every day, right?
I would say, not to say easyor hard, but digestive challenges,
right?
(55:58):
Most people, like, I got a dirt.
I did a live for our vaccineworkshop over the weekend and this
patient, this, this person waslike, hey, you know, I want to ask
you a question.
And kept asking a specific,specific way.
And I didn't really understand it.
So I said, hey, send me adirect message.
It's constipated, right?
Can't poop, but doneeverything right, Done every functional
(56:19):
medicine, done every, like,you name it, all the conventional
stuff, Miralax.
And I was like, what mostpeople don't know is that, is that
they may not have a gut issue,they might have a neuro gut issue.
Now, your nervous systemcontrols your gut.
And if your nervous system isstuck in a state of fight or flight,
it actually intelligentlyshunts blood away from your immune
(56:40):
system, your hormonal systemand your digestive system and all
your vital organs to one beable to prioritize getting away from
the sabertooth tiger.
But in the midst of shuttingdown gut function.
And so I just immediatelysaid, just send me a zip code and
I will find you a providerthat likely would be able to assess
whether or not the nervoussystem is interfered with in these
(57:01):
particular areas.
And invariably, like, I hadpatients from every age, right?
Every age, babies that areconstipated, babies have, you know,
gut dysregulation.
And then moms will say like,oh, they poop every time after their
adjustments, but sometimesthey poop ahead of their adjustments.
And I'm like, that'sinteresting, right?
Because we think that theadjustment is the thing that heals.
(57:23):
And it's not, it's an, it's anevent in the course of an individual's
life.
And we then sometimes programnervous systems to understand what
their new environmentalexperience is going to be like.
And they start pooping aheadof time and it's like, it's kind
of wild, you know.
So that's just kids, you know,I like to talk about kids because
(57:45):
in general I think it's one ofthe biggest ways that we can make
the biggest impact on humanity.
And in my opinion, if you're aproperly trained pediatric chiropractor
or if you're an adult lookingfor a chiropractor, I would actually
look sometimes at a pediatricchiropractor because the complexity
of understanding kids nervoussystems today actually gives a pretty
(58:07):
strong blueprint on Helpingalmost every adult.
Thank you, man.
You're looking for, though?
No, it was definitely, definitely.
I mean, I used to see a chiroa fair bit.
I just haven't in years.
I'm just listening to thisconversation now and I was like,
I need to get back to a chiropractor.
What's that?
I know, man.
I, I was thinking about likemaking a meme, you know, because
(58:30):
I would say there's.
And this.
So, so this is partially it, right?
Most people, if you go intolike the back end, like I was telling
my patient today, I was like,he told the surgeon that he's, that
he's, you know, canceling his surgery.
And I was like, don't tell himyou're coming here.
I was kind of saying it as a joke.
(58:51):
But it's interesting becauseonce people know that chiropractic
is somehow in the picture,it's like, oh, it changes like the
perception, right?
But most people don't knowthat we have a built in perception
socially on what chiropractic is.
Not because they have apersonal experience, but because
that was actually part of theAMA's job.
Their job was to create apsychological operation around all
(59:13):
holistic care.
But we were like public enemynumber one, right?
So a lot of people havehesitations mostly because there's,
you know, unspokendiscriminations, but also because
it's a little weird, right?
It's like the, the, the widerange of chiropractors that you would
experience just by going likein your neighborhood is pretty dramatic.
(59:39):
You know, I think that, I think.
That, yeah, and I think peopledo have some bad experiences which
then come.
Oh, they totally do, you know,the propaganda for, you know, the
last century and, and even now you.
In our world where we'retalking about and sharing certain
truths, if, if you're achiropractor, sharing it.
I mean, how many times do yousee the comment, well, you're not
a real doctor.
You know what I mean?
(59:59):
Like, I've seen that so many times.
And so it's still out there inthe collective where you know, people
make those blanket statements,you know.
But then on our side, I wouldsay there is, there's definitely
a, I don't know what the rightword is because I don't like to homogenize
like a profession, you knowwhat I mean?
I think everybody's got theirown individual journey, but at the
(01:00:21):
same time, there are standardsof excellence that we should, we
should be literally trying tolive through every single day.
And it should come out in yourwork, especially if you're a provider,
right.
No one wants to go to aprovider that is late to all their
interviews.
No, I'm just kidding.
But it's one of those things.
But the quality, when it comesdown to your quality of care, if
(01:00:43):
people know in you innatelythat you're not putting forward your
best when you're a medicaldoctor, infrastructurally, they might
still come anyways.
They might still listen to youbecause of authority.
But if you're like achiropractor or any other or homeopath,
like, they give you one shotand chiropractors should recognize
(01:01:05):
that.
They should recognize that.
Like, I know that if patientscome in and they don't accept care,
not because I'm egotisticaland angry, it's the fact that they
may take 10 years to trysomething natural again.
Right.
And why that's important is,dude, like, the miracle that is possible,
(01:01:25):
the miracles that are possiblewhen you actually get it right are
just not possible.
They're unheard of inconventional healthcare.
And in my opinion, they'revery difficult in sometimes your
own journey.
Not to say that we should allbe subservient to doctors, but sometimes
it's me helping the mom and myquestions, my.
(01:01:47):
I'm not dictating, I'm asking.
And I'm always almost asking,what's your intuition say?
Yeah, when I say that, like, Iwould just say, like, I will even
ask moms, like, okay, afterwe've gone through what we've gone
through, most people think,okay, I'm going to come here, it's
going to be an overnight fix,my insurance is going to pay for
all of it.
I'm not going to have tochange any part of my life.
(01:02:08):
And that's what we believe, right?
We believe that in the magicbullet, that conventional healthcare.
But when I actually do ourworkup and I'll ask mom, how long
do you think it takes to healthis at the root?
I will.
I don't know what I'm going todo with this information yet, but
it is, it's not alwaysperfect, but very often it's exactly
(01:02:32):
what my recommendation will be.
Or it is literally plus orminus, like a very short time frame.
Yeah.
And it's usually me elicitinga mom what mom already knows.
Yeah.
All right, Doc, we don't wantyou to be late for your next appointment.
How do you want to.
How do you want to close thisout, man?
How can the, how can thepeople connect?
(01:02:53):
What do you want to share?
And any final statements.
Yeah.
TheFutureGen.com that is whereour podcast is.
If you're in SouthernCalifornia, especially San Diego,
future generations.
SD.com obviously, you can findme on Instagram or the podcast.
I would just say in general,like, the thing that I feel most
called to, especially youguys, man, I love getting connect.
(01:03:17):
Getting connect with you, yourosmos, and actually interviewing
you, Joel.
We'll get that back on thebook soon.
I want to applaud, like, whoyou guys are to me, mainly because
the thing that I think thatyou guys bring is the ability to
navigate the nuance in waysthat I think just the two ends don't
actually even entertain today.
(01:03:37):
Right.
In the anti side and the provac side or whatever, like the pro
establishment side, it's like there's.
It's just blind.
But then on our side, I thinkwe're affected by the thing that
I've been sharing about interms of what the AMA was successful
at doing.
That inciting division that.
That crazy polarization that'snot only in society, but it's actually
in our hearts.
Yeah.
(01:03:57):
And I would say what I loveabout what you guys communicate is
that it's got to be thisauthentic alignment.
Right.
This.
And I, I mean that with allthe pun intended in terms of chiropractic,
like I've said from the veryearly times that I've been a chiropractor,
that most of us havedysfunction and symptoms and chronic
(01:04:19):
challenges because we haven'tbeen listening to, to, to ourselves.
And we can't put our head downon our pillow with good, clear conscience.
And I believe you guys, youguys deliver that in a way that I
feel is much more pragmatic.
And at the end of the day, I just.
I just wanted to say thatbecause I just love that you guys
(01:04:39):
are on this mission with us.
And, you know, thanks, bro.
Yeah, thank you so much, man.
It means a lot to hear.
And so, you know, get thatacknowledgment for sure.
Have to do this again.
Maybe go a little, littlelonger sometime down the road, but
absolute pleasure.
And I know for sure so manypeople are going to get so much value
out of this.
And so to everyone listening,we'll see you next time.
(01:05:01):
Take care.
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