June 15, 2022 • 43 mins
The ICON Narelda Jacobs from Studio 10 is hanging out ALL EP!
We hear about her incredible career at Channel 10 as a newsreader and presenter, plus some of the struggles she faced as a Queer First Nations woman when she started out. PLUS we’ve got some segment ideas to pitch to her for morning TV, and let's just say they probably might not go down well. #WetPussyShots
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I haven't had some websigne.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yes, bitch had plums?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yes, bitch look nice sign yes bitch.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm good. I'm good. Living today. I don't know why. Yeah,
what was that little leg that's you playing with? And
I told you not to?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
You're vibing today.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, I'm just in a good mood.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's a nice change.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, I know. Well do you know what it might be?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Britney's wedding, Brittany's wedding, Living for the just it's just
so random, messive.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I just love its fact amazing. It's a hot mess.
But it's like not it's good.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
But like it's like it's just legendary ship.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Just love it. So, like, firstly the ten in the
backyard right by the garage, Like.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
What I'm hanging on, I need to find this photo?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So pent in the back so that the marquee okay,
where she got married.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
He's at the front of a garage.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's out. It's because it's so she had the wedding
at her house, yes Saturday, which is today the day
we're recording it. So all the photos just came out
this morning. Yeah, and she's put up this amazing marquee
where she the ceremony inside. Yeah, yeah, beautiful, but it's
literally right next to her garage. Like if you look
at some of the photos, true, you can see the
garage doors on the driveway. Do it somewhere I know,
(01:18):
but that's just killed me. And then she's just got
a couple of cocktails like scattered around.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
On the drive flowers like in a few hours. It's
just we've got a photo of every not everyone attending,
but like this photo of Donna, tell Evasaci, oh my god,
Paris Hilton, Brittany and the Madonna's next to her, Selena Gramez,
Andrew Barrymore.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, I know. I think this photo is more iconic
than the ellen Oscars photo.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Sei, Yeah, totally. This is just with Madonna with this
with the Balenciagas with a colorful dress.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
And like Brittany and Madonna recreated the the MTV Awards
kiss who so great?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
See that one? And there's a video where they're dancing
as well and Donald don'ta tell her they're singing like
their mind me to Vogue.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
No, Madonna's singing it live. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Sing it live. Well, don'ta tell hern't know what's going on.
She's kind of like looking around the place. She doesn't know.
She's out through a Martha, Oh no, I saw.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
A video here, it is here.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
What did Madonna's say at the end?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Watching someone? When I was watching it today, had no
idea that it wasn't Donald's Ella, Maybe it was Paris,
just like didn't know the words. And he's also kind
of looking around. She only just knows, Like Vogue.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Drew Barrymore has got the most prominent voice stand of
all of those to like a little queer choir.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It's a weird group as well, though, like because like
Ansel el Gort was there, he's like an actor. Like,
it's just a weird group of people, but I'm living
for it. And also in every photo, Brittany had about
five costume changers. Did you know that should have like
a green dress, a red dress, green, the wedding dress.
I'm just obsessed with her, Like there's the red dress
she just kept changing. I'm just obsessed with her. It's
(03:05):
just it's just so good. And also in every photo
she's doing the same pose that she does when she
does fabulous sideways with the head back. I love it
so much, so.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I feel like it's that that photo is just is
like the supporters of the Britney campaign, right.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
It's amazing. I love and also the flowers on the
balcony and she had this horse. Where was it? By
the way, someone posted an unblurred version of the of
the wedding invite and it says to r s v
P please email because Sam Ascari is the fiance. It says,
please email Ascari Wedding at gmail dot com, like they
(03:44):
just got a Gmail for the RSV.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I just love it so much. And also it gave
away her address as well. It's blur.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Everyone would know that anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, I mean like not a normal person, but LIKEXT
from my friend Phoebe. Yeah, it was like white Horse
Drive or something. It was like a really weird like coolner. Yeah,
like white Stallion Drive. I think it was Brittany. I
know because everyone she lives in a suburb called Thousand Oaks,
So I googled white Stallion Drive thousand Oaks and like
saw the It was really cool.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Often wonder like if she's going to move now that
she's got like her money. I mean it's gorgeous house,
but it's obviously like we've all seen the India the
interesting inside. There was that meme the other day. It
was like if you know it was just there, if
you know whose living room this is, then we're friends.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And it was just where she usually does the dancing,
but she wasn't in frame. It was so funny living room.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Congrats Brittany.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, listening, but any news from you. I heard that
you have a house update.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
No, I don't know. I was just telling you that
because I haven't given my notice.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
But the real estage listen to this, But yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Thinking of moving. Yeah, I'm getting lonely.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I know.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I think you said. Did you said that last week
to me or just on the podcast?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I don't know, I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
No, just living alone.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Well, I have loved it, but I I don't know.
I've got I have a friend who's like a couple
of people are moving out of his place and I've
loved He's lived there for like five years. It's beautiful.
It's in Sorry Hill. Still it's like a gorgeous townhouse.
But yeah, I just and it's got like a big kitchen,
a big living area, like outdoor courtyard. And I don't know,
I just want more space. I feel like I like
my past.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It's kind of like a hotel room.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
It's like a hotel room. Like it's it's like a
nice cute size, like one bedroom, but like it's nice.
But like I'm not sound like a complaining but I'm
just I don't know. I want more. I just want
a bit more space. I want to like, I want
to walk out of my front door and get a
coffee early in the morning. Yeah, I have people around. Yeah,
I feel like I'm on like the red Fern side
of Surry Hills, so it's a bit quieter than like, and.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You got in trouble. Someone left an aggressive note.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I know, Well, this is why I need to move out.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, we are about to have our next potty guest
on an ex doll. Remember were like, let's call our
guest dolls.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
We've never done it.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
This person a dolt. Will take a break, We'll be
right back. Let's get well Jack, Let's bring in our
first guest for today. She's on Studio ten. We love her.
In fact, she's your friend. She is we're friends now, Yes,
but do you want to introduce Aneralda?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I do I do. This is an eralda Jacob saying hello, Hello,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Oh hey, I'm Jack's friend, I'm Take's new friends.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I know, well we only met a few months ago
and Joe Creesy's comedy show we did. Yeah, yeah, there
was a little lack after gathering and we hit it
off and.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
We loved you instantly, So it's not to love.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Oh yes, sweetheart, I loved you too instantly. What did we?
I think we that same night we organized a pooff
We did poofed dof outing for the next weekend.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And it was one of those things where it actually
did happen. We didn't just say it. I know that happened.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I know, I know it was meant to be because
I wasn't going to go out that night, and you.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Jack always says that I'm not going out this weekend.
Cut to Saturday night. I see him out everywhere.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I know, Universal Palm, Stonewall.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So wait, you guys are like new friends, and so
what have you like done apart from puftoff if you've
done like gone out.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well that so so it was at Doll's Night, yes,
and then then I then I was like innostantly I've
always wanted to go to Pufftoff And then Jack was
was like, I go there every Saturday.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Night, every Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
And then and then we organized lunch because we have
some friends in common. Yes, the harvey They lived.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Upstairs from me when I was like twelve years old
and when I was wait, who are they? So they're
the Harveys. So they so Spencer and Lloyd, their brother
and sister. Don't mind that we're saying their names. God
good good, But they were like my fairy gays that
lived upstairs from me when I was like twelve years old,
thirteen years old in high school when I yeah, when
I was young.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
My mom's cue. And so you're friends with them.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Too, Yeah, And Spencer is married to Louisa, And so
we organize this lunch, this group lunch together, which was
the next Saturday after Joel's at the Imperial Rooftop, a
bit of a liquid lunch. Yeah, And that we met
at like twelve thirty in the afternoon. And what time did.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
We film two am?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I just remember at two am, just being grinded on
by by Jack Palms.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
A lot of people that have the same story.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, I've got the same story. Multiple times. So wait,
So from IMPI, where did you go? After that?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
You went off to do so I went off?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Where did I go?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well? Then we went back to my apartment, my our apartment.
My partner Steve is in Melbourne until November. So I'm
just being looked after by the community at the moment.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Totally. I told you I to meet you. Afterwards. I
think I went to another birthday thing or something.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Then I met you at like eight or nine.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And then we called it. Then we called hannah condo
because Hannah also came to lunch. Hannah and Hannah's boyfriend Jack,
they also came to lunch. And then then Hannah was
performing at Stonewalls, so we went to Stonewalls.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Hannah too. Yeah, I coming back. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And then after.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yes, sorry we didn't invite you, Tom, but we would have.
We saw you later time.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, and then I think you guys went home and
I went to Universal.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yes, sensible, sensible because Jack is next love. I don't
know how Jack does it. Well.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
This will be my fourth weekend no alcohol.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Oh yes, thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I'm really impressed, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I tried last month and didn't work out, so now
I'm trying it again.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Are you feeling feeling really good?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, I'm feeling really good. You know what, I just
think I just need to where I'm at in life.
I need to do a bit of a shift and
it's working out this time, which is nice. I think
I've just changed my headspace a little bit, just feeling
a bit healthier. So no, yeah, no, it is good.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Big your respect for that.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Anyway, enough talking about you guys going out having fun
without me.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, we wanted to ask. Okay, so what is your country?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I'm a wadjat Junga yoga, a young woman from Borlou, Perth,
and so I've been living and working on Yadagul country
your nation since since deVie and I moved to Sydney
in January twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You've only been there for like two and a half years.
Have wow? And you what's like living in Syndic compared
to Perth.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Look, it's been a steep learning curve and particularly for
personal growth. I was very cotton wooled in Perth. I had,
you know, I've got very deep roots, family roots and
community roots in Perth, and so I had to kind
of start from scratch here and.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Did you have many friends.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, yeah, over the years, like I've been over for work,
filling in on studio teams and doing a bit of
the project in Melbourne, so the East Coast wasn't foreign
to me, so and I knew people at work, but
in a social sense, I didn't really know that many people.
And in a cultural sense, I didn't know that many
people either. So for me, cultural accountability is the most
(11:16):
important thing. So I set about just making connections with people. Yeah,
and also in the queer community as well, totally.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I mean that's kind of how I felt. I felt
very at home and connected around you and your and
your friends and making new friends that day and had
that we had friends in common. I mean, that's kind
of that. I feel like that's your vibe is You're
very welcoming and I feel like you kind of put
people together, and.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Well, it's about bringing people together. And while I've been
in Sydney, and anyone who's lived somewhere for a long
time and has gone you know, in the places they've
gone to school at, for example, like how many people
are still friends. There are a lot of people in
the world that are still friends with the people that
they went to school, you know, so your circle hasn't
really expanded that much. So the beauty of when you
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leave that place that you've grown up is that you're
forced to then make new friends, and you know, these
friends have become family. And something that has that I've
realized in the last couple of years i've been here
is that people just want to be met. You know,
I've realized.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That that's a really interesting way of putting it.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
People just want to be met. You know, Like we
meet each other on social media really easily. Why can't
we do that face to face.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
What's so awkward is I have so many people that
I follow on Instagram that where friends, we DM, we message,
we like replay each other's things, and then I'll see
them at like an event, and i will never go
up and talk to them because I'm almost like embarrassed, like, well,
this person recognized me, remember me. It happened last night.
I went to dinner at Grilled and there was someone
that I we mess each other all the time, and
(12:52):
he was there and I was like, Oh, do I
go and tell you hello? It's so weird. Also think
he was on the date, but I didn't want to interrupt,
but I was like, it's so weird. And even when
we message, it always like, oh my god, we never
meet in real life ha, or like we've been at
the same of like events or whatever and we haven't
seen each other. So it's really weird. Just it's so right,
like I would love to meet this person in real life.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Do you think there's some anxiety, some social anxiety that
creates one.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Hundred percent for me? Because it's it's like, well, this
person recognized me in real life, and like, obviously, yes,
I know they will, but it's just really it's a
really weird situation where you know these people online, but
when you see me in relive, is.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
It about a recognition or will they like me? Is
that kind of a No, I don't think so, because like,
well because who like exactly just in terms of like
I love that attitude though, it's.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Just in terms of like in real life it's I
get really awkward with people I don't know, and I'm
definitely not myself around people I don't know until I
know that until I've hung out with them for a while.
And so to be in especially by myself, I was
by myself and he was there with someone, so to
be like hey, and then they go hey, and then
I'm like, oh my god, brod you're having for dinner?
Then where does it go? And that's where I get
(14:03):
really awkward?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, so I used to get that. Now I just
kind of like, I think I overdo it just to
like cut the awkwardness out completely. And so I try
and like overly make people feel comfortable and probably making
them feel less comfortable. But I try and cut the
awkward awkwardness out as soon as it But you.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Need but you also need to You need that some
kind of an introduction first, and when you don't have
that introduction, then you're kind of suspicious of why are
you hanging around?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So did you move here for Studio ten? Right?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I moved here because I wanted a new challenge. I
was ready for a new challenge, Like I was. I
was reading the five o'clock bulletin for Channel ten in Perth,
and I've been doing that for a long time, like
ten years.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Going on a line. Just let me quickly. I'm from
Sydney and Santrachali has been on the TV my whole life,
and it's like it really is when you watch the news,
it's like you feel like you trust that person. She's
been they've been on for one hundred years.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
And you can trust her as well. She is the
absolute queen. So you were her of wa, yes, I was, yeah, yep.
And it's a fantastic job. I absolutely loved it. I
was ready for I was ready for a challenge, and
I was ready to see what else the world had
out there. And I'd started coming over to do some
filling in on Studio ten and I was just really
(15:16):
enjoying it. I love being able to share opinions. I
love knowing that I had opinions started.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
So different to just reading an autocure.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
So different. And because the whole time that I had
been a news presenter, you're not allowed to share your opinions.
You know, that's that's ingrained in you as soon as
you take the job. And in fact, I was a
reporter for eight years before I got the presenter's job.
And the first thing I was told when I got
(15:43):
the job, like, you know, it was kind of made
very plain to me. We know that you're Aboriginal and gay,
but you can't be political, so you have to kind
of set those set those things aside. And so which
is like how do you how.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Do you take that off boar?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
You like, well, well, it is now like when I
have these conversations and think back to those times, it's
really upsetting. I'm so offended that those things were said
to me. But at the time it was a dream job.
I was getting my dream job, and I just thought, yeah,
that's what you have to do, like everybody else is
doing it. So this is what I have to do
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if I want this job and I want this career.
This is what I have to do. But being aboriginal
and gay isn't political. It's existential, you know, it's who
we are, you are, And I really hated during this
campaign that we were even talking about trans women in sport.
You know, that wasn't politics, That wasn't even a thing.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
It was just a waste of oxygen to be able
to talk to have to talk about those sorts of things.
So it's been a huge, huge learning curve and personal
growth for the last two and a half years, and
also thinking it's allowed me to think back over my career,
over my twenty year career at Channel ten, before before
I was allowed to share opinions.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Wow, that kind of remind I wanted to bring this up,
so you kind of already did. I watched Ellen's final
episode was like, I don't know, two or three weeks ago,
and in the final week, she was doing all these
kind of like I guess, revealing behind the scenes stuff.
You know, she did a whole list of things that
when she first started out for her first season, which
was about twenty years ago, she there's a whole list
of things that she was and wasn't allowed to say,
(17:25):
and a whole list of things of certain ways she
had to look so like they had to have a
certain amount of makeup on, she had to wear like lashes,
she had a like certain clothes she couldn't wear, just
like T shirt and jeans. She had to wear like
sort of she had to wear jewelry. She had to
she had to have her hair a certain length.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
So it was Ellen telling like say Ellen, So she
was like she.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Was like when I first started. Obviously she's always had
kind of short hair, but they wanted it to be
a certain length. So when you watch the first seas
and then another couple of other things was she wasn't
allowed to say gay and she wasn't glad to say
we so she wasn'tou to say like we as in
because someone might think she was in a relationship. Oh
yeah then, and so she was obviously like, now I
(18:08):
say we all the time and my wife and we
talk about gay stuff. So it's totally changed. But is
that the same kind of I guess you just sort
of said it was the same kind of rules they
gave me back then.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, not being allowed allowed to go to protests, not
being able to go to rallies, not being able to
sign petitions, part of.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Your life had to kind of you just silence yourself essentially.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yep. And before a holiday, I would always get my
haircut just a bit, a bit shorter because I knew
that it would have time to grow out by the
time I got back to work. One time, the haircut
was really short and didn't grow back by the time
I got back to work. And so the boss, the
boss said to me, yeah, that's that's a bit short.
And he said, you're not a newsreader. Just front on.
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You're a newsreader three hundred and sixty degrees, so everybody
can see you from every angle, no matter if you
are in the studio or wherever you are. When if
you're a grocery. If you're doing stopping in the supermarket,
you are still a news presenter. You're still an employee
of Channel team.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
The length of your yeah, I guess we can look
at that.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Thing that was what twelve years ago.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Maybe, yeah, because I said to him, like, it's only
short at the back, and that's when he said, you
are a newsreader three hundred and sixty degrees.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I like the analogy, but not the context.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah. But in two thousand and eight, when I started presenting,
I did a public coming out in the Sunday newspaper.
It was, you know, the glossy magazine newspaper. Yeah, And
so I was on I was on the I was
on the cover of that. It was like a really
special moment and it was my big coming out to
the world. And that got approval from the bosses at
Channel teen and because they thought, well, let's let's do
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it in a really public way at the beginning, so
that this is not secret. It's not a secret and
it's not like gossip, you know, so, which which was
good for me because then I didn't have to things
like be mindful of saying we my my my, you know,
my girlfriend or those sorts of things. I was just
open from the beginning, you know, which was really great.
(20:11):
I'm still working on wearing flat shoes. I still have
to wear heels. I don't mind heels so much, but
I would love to be able to do an Ellen sneaker.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, even on studio allowed to because it's kind of
like casual fun.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I've asked, Yeah, I've asked, but no.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Sometimes I see Brooke Bony with no shoes on it
all when they do a white Yes, bitch, take those
shoes off, because I think she's probably nails as well.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I went to ask as well, like I mean both
in studio ten, I guess that your job beforehand as
well at ten, how is it? How has it been?
Or just in media in general, being a openly queer
First Nations woman.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Before I could share opinions, there was the visibility. The
visibility was there so people would be able to, you know,
watch the news and see your person, see brown skin,
but not necessarily know that I was gay. Visibility fat
is a great start, but you need to back it
up with substance. And I feel like I'm giving the
(21:19):
substance now because I have the freedom to be able
to say everything I want to say all the things
that I have ever felt, to be able to represent
sections of the community, to be the person that I
wanted to see. You know, we always say that you
know that, you know, there was I didn't relate to anyone,
so true though, I mean, gay kids watching the news
(21:41):
wouldn't have known that I was gay because I wasn't
actually saying the words, and because I wasn't allowed to really,
you know, I wasn't allowed to be able to lend
my voice to things. And it came to a bit
of a head in twenty seventeen before the marriage equality
or during the Magic marriage equality debate, and I was
being preemptive and I sent an email to the network
(22:06):
news boss and said, you know, I haven't been asked yet,
but can I lend my voice to the s campaign?
And the reply came back saying no, I think you
know the answer to that, you know, And so I
sort of stopped it there. Then a few weeks later,
the CEO of the company sends an email to all
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staff saying that Network ten is a supporter of the
marriage equality debate, right a supporter of marriage equality, And
so I quickly sent forwarded this email to my boss
and said does this change things? And it got back
to me and said, let me get back to you.
Sure enough. I was able to then make some comments
(22:49):
as a lesbian woman who who wanted just the world
to be able to just say yes, you know, just
say yes. That's all we want. It's not going to
affect you all live. But by allowing everybody else to
be able to marry the people that they love, you know,
love is love, then it makes a world of difference
to them. So that was like the first step to
be allowed to lend my voice to something that was
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seen to be political, but it's not even marriage equalities
not political.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Do you remember where you were when the yes vote
was passed?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, I was in north Bridge in Perth. There's a park,
there was a part, there was a public viewing set up,
big screens.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I was on the lawn.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I was draped in a flag. My girlfriend at the
time was standing next to me. It was a tightly
packed there. There were hundreds of people that had turned out.
It was a two hour time difference. So this is
like eight o'clock in the morning for first, because I
think it was about ten thirty ten o'clock in the
vote yeah, yeah, it was quite early and the vote.
(23:50):
Do you remember when the numbers were counted out, everyone
was doing some quick maths and then I think it
took for the first for the first person to erupt,
and then hundreds of people were just erupted and the
tears fell, Strangers were hugging strangers. I mean, it gives
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me goose by now think about it. And then and
then the crowd went to the Court Hotel, which opened earlier,
and champagne was popped and there was huge celebrations. It
was really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I think that was a bit of a universal thing.
We all went to the whatever pub was closest.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Well, I was in London at the time, and right,
like you just said, with the time difference, it was
like one or two in the morning or something, and
we knew was happening. And I was there with like
maybe ten Aussies as well, and we were all at
someone's house and we were like watching it on a phone,
like leaned them against the table because they was like
like a sharehouse in London. They didn't have a TV,
they didn't have like running border, you know what I mean.
(24:45):
And there was like there was like maybe like half
of the group was gay, but everyone was so excited,
and then as soon as it happened, we were like
the same thing, crying and everyone was so emotional. It
was just so like halfway around the world. It was
just such an impactful thing of just a group of us,
and I only knew like two of them. Everyone else
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was random. It was just so amazing when.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You have strangers hugging strangers and crying with each other.
That's the impact that that day had. And to everyone
who voted, know what impact days ahead on.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I know completely and fuck you, thank you. I just
had to say it. So we were chatting before we
started recording. We were chatting about an award that you
were nominated for. Was it two thousand and eight?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah. I hadn't given this a second thought until I
saw my Instagram feed just a few weeks ago was
flooded with an awards ceremony, A queer award ceremony. You
performed it?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Did I sang it?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Entertainment Jeremy Fernandez from the ABC M seed it and
there were all these amazing queer people from our community
who were receiving awards. I'm not sure what the actual
name of the Queer Awards in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And I was.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I was just like glowing, you know, these beaming smile, thinking,
you know, congratulations, like you really deserve this because these
people are tylist campaigners for our community. And then I
remembered that in two thousand and eight I was also
nominated for something was I was on a list and
I couldn't quite remember what it was, and I was
(26:25):
invited to go to an awards ceremony. I googled it
this morning so I had more information because I've put
it so far out of my mind. I didn't know
what the awards were called. I didn't even know what
it was, but I knew that it was a queer
awards that was in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It's a diversity award.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, work place, so it was. It was called the
same same twenty five most influential Queer Australians right, and
I was, I was on the list, and I received
I received an email one day saying no, really, you're
on the list. We would love to honor you by being,
you know, on this list of twenty five most influential
queer people. The ceremonies in Sydney on such such a date,
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I would love you to come and receive this. So
I took this to my boss and he said, this
is in two thousand and eight. So there, I had
just got the job months before, come out in the
Sunday Paper to the public. Months later, I received this
honor and go to the boss and he says, you
(27:24):
don't want to do that, do you. You don't want
to go to Sydney and get that award, do you?
And so I kind of looked at him, and I
wasn't in a position of power really because I just
I only I was new to the position, and so
I kind of just said, okay, nah, probably no, all right,
probably not no, Okay, yeah, I see your point, you know, yeah, okay, yeah,
(27:47):
I see your point. Now I don't want to do that.
So I didn't do it. When I go gold it
this morning, I saw who else was on the list,
Bloody which i'd gone Ruby Rose, Porscha to Rossie, Politicians
like Bob Brown, Penny Wong was on the list. One
of my heroes from Perthkeis Watson, who was a Greens
(28:10):
member of Parliament, because Watson's was on the list, and
all these people who I have long admired, all of
these years. I would have loved to have been in
that room, you know, I would have loved to have
been in that room. And when people ask you, like
have you experienced racism or homophobia? And it's hard to
kind of think of one thing. And also we think
(28:30):
of name calling and we think of huge moments of
discrimination or things that have stopped me from doing something.
Was this one of the Was this one of those moments? Like,
was I actually stopped from going to something that it
might have actually changed the trajectory of my life in
some way. If I'd been in that room and been
accepted by the community of people that were the most
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influential queis in Australia. Could that have made me want
to push boundaries sooner? You know? Why did I have
to wait twenty years, you know, for January twenty twenty
to come and be able to speak my mind, to
be stopped from being one of those people to push boundaries?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Completely, you know, I yeah, and I so, And.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
For other people, it's not. It would have been such
an incredible thing for yourself, but other people as well,
being in the media and being on Channel ten and
being a public figure.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
To see me actually speak about the things total just
being the person reading the autoque on the news, but
actually hearing me speak about real time events that impact
people's lives that aren't political, they are existential.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I'm getting to just say that that you were nominated
for a Queer Award for being one of the most
influential queer people in Australia. What have I mean? I
would have been watching the how would I have been
ten or something or eleven like me? Seeing that on
TV would have it just would have changed how I
thought what being queen look like. I didn't even know
if what the word quier meant back then, but being
(29:57):
gay or whatever. Just feeling different, Yeah, yeah, it just
feeling different. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
And I think the impact of being told you.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Don't want to do that, do you so, gas lady?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
It stopped me then from really doing anything else because
I knew what was the point, you know, what was
the point of asking is I know what it's going
to be? Until I've plucked up the courage in twenty
seventeen to say can I lend my voice? You know,
it was nine years later, like can I now? Like
have I done enough? You know, have I put in
(30:28):
the time? Now do I have a little bit more
power in this position to have the courage to ask,
and it still took courage to ask the question. And
even then it came back no in the first instance,
you know, even then it came back no.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I mean, I guess it depends what you want to do.
But like, what would be advise some people that wanted
to get into media or like TV or radio or
magazines or whatever, But it's so fucking hard to get into.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
It's really hard. You've got to work hard, and there's
no easy way in, Like, there's no easy way in.
I mean this is coming from someone who's been in
the industry for twenty two years now, and and it
was hard work. I did work experience on the weekends.
And I would love it to I would love it
to change. I would love for people who have just raw,
raw talent and that dedication and passion to be able
(31:14):
to just walk right in, you know, and take the jobs,
the on air jobs, like the best jobs, you know.
But that's still not the way that it's that it's done.
There's still a bit of a pecking order, and you
just you need to be prepared to work for basically nothing.
You basically you need to be prepared to pay to
(31:34):
work pretty much, because that's how little reward there is
in the beginning. Latch onto someone, Latch onto someone that
you love that's in the industry that you want to
be in, and make them your mentor. You know that
that's my anyone Unofficially, yeah, well officially and unofficially, like
I like to take people under my wing, particularly First
(31:55):
Nations people, and we have some First Nations journals in
our newsroom. I also spend a Tuesday afternoon at I
TV doing the Point. I co present the Point with
JP Janki, and that's fantastic. There's oh, there's just beautiful
people out there doing incredible things. You know. I'm just
I'm just blessed to be one of them. I don't
(32:15):
I don't ever see myself as as being a mentor
in terms of being you know, having any sort of
seniority or any kind of you know, power or whatever.
I just see that they're my contemporaries, and I've got
things that could potentially help you. You know that. That's
how I kind of see it. Because I'm learning as
well from I'm learning from new generations as well, you know,
(32:35):
and the new generations probably have as much to teach
us as the other way around.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I think you're a mentor and a leader by just
living your life, and I think you're paving away for
so many people.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Sometimes celebrities are that someone like Jack is that someone
for people? I think courage. It does come down to courage.
And what I can tell you for sure is that
when you do live your authentic self, the burden lifts
having to pretend, you know, and there is just a
freedom that comes with it, and you might lose friends,
(33:07):
but you'll gain friends. And you won't just gain friends,
you'll gain a family. You'll gain a chosen family, and
that is way more important. There's a quote that is
my absolute favorite. It's better to be hated for who
you are than loved for who you are not you know.
So it's about not pretending to be someone just to
(33:28):
be liked, because the haters are a minority of people
and you don't need them in your life anyway. All
you need is the people that love you. And by
being your authentic self, other people will see that. And
I think you know this is an area for First
Nations queer people. There is so much work that needs
to be done to create safer spaces. Black Rainbow is
(33:50):
an incredible organization, you know, like follow Black Rainbow on
Instagra and all the social media platforms because they are
changing the narrative. They are given the support. They are
sticking up for people who have never been stood up
four before, queer people. You know, during the BLM, we
heard black trans lives matter because when it when it
(34:11):
comes down to it, black trans lives, black trans people
are the most vulnerable on this planet, you know, and
we need to stand up for them, you know. So
find the find the safe spaces, find the safe people. Yeah,
that's my advice.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
We wanted to play a game.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yes, we've done all the serious things. We have a
fun game. It's not really a game. It's more of
like a pitch.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Okay, yeah, it's a professional pitch for us to get.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Professional, very professional. So we thought of obviously, like Studio
ten does serious stuff but also like fun stuff. Yes,
segments with like you know, Kyle Sandalands, my boss came
in and did like a segment with his neuivas agria.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yes, yes he did.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Tristan and Sarah were drinking the sangreine and they make
cocktails at what time. Okay, I would have been it
would have been maybe like the ten o'clock hour, right, okay. Anyway,
they come in and pick things, they're crafting things whatever.
So we've got a couple of pitch ideas because we
thought we can come in studio ten with you and
like maybe do some of these and people like get
(35:13):
a vibe. All right, hear me as you know what
I mean? Yep, okay. So the first one is this
is more like of a like a what do you
call them, not an infomercial, like a a tutorial kind
welcome to my tutorial.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, well, like if there's a cooking segment and they've
got like one that they're about to cook and then
they go someone I prepared earlier.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yes, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
The first one is waxing your friend one oh one.
So basically we would have a lineup of guys, before
you say no, okay, a lineup of very hairy guys,
maybe bears, because hair that you can like they've all
got like dark hair tes you can see the hair
on TV. And there's different things, so like maybe like
waxing your arm with a.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Wax, want to say which body part of which.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
A progress progress.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
So like the first guy, we wax his arm with
a wax trip, and then the second guy we waxed
his nostrils, and then the third guy. It's a chest
like a chest neir on his chest.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Guys, a ball sack.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Can we choose the people? I think Joe Hilberbrand got
waxed on air. Yeah, I remember, Yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Was specifically waxing your friend.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Am I thinking of Steve Carroll in that movie?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Maybe possible?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
No, that's a goer, Okay, I was not expected about
I don't know about bull sacks under a curtain, under
a curtain, yes, okay, yeah, okay, stranger, it happened on studio.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Let's put it. Maybe I'll put it maybe beside that one? Okay, Jack,
what's your one?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
My one? Is that?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Okay? So where no stranger to a to a gay bar,
three of us. Maybe there's like a segment where it's
like cocktail making, but like studio, like like a stonewallong island.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
What was it? Cocksuckingsucking cowboy. We could teach Australia how
to make a cocksucking cowboy.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
We One of our favorite shooters on Studio ten is
a wet pussy.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Well, we can teach Australia how to make a wet
have to do that, we'll do the cox up and
what about if so yet? You can mean we can
do drinking early morning on TV?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Right, yeah, look, yes, pretend we pretend drinking.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Okay, not in the eight am, but maybe like the
ten a m l okay okay, so I'll put it
maybe next to that one maybe maybe all right, the
next one is obviously it's Pride months. Yes, we thought,
what about we make some queer cookies, so we could
do like rainbow flags, you know, with a glitter edible glitter,
(37:50):
definitely edible glitter. Great, but in the shape of penises.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Oh yeah, I reckon that would.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Be really bobs as well.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yes, yeah, definitely. Yeah. We say vagina on air. Yeah,
we say penis on Its amazing. We talked about penis
and we're talking about vaginas. So what's the difference between
showing like baking one, right and then eating it?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
And then we could really craft it up. We could
get like thin black liquorice and cut it really short
and then stick them in into be like the pubes.
Do you think that would get approved.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Or I can take it to the.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Just not in Perth. Wouldn't let you come to.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Maybe that's amazing, great bosses.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Maybe what's your next one?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Well, I mean something a game, but I reckon we
could do it, like for a Pride Month. I could
bring your favorite drag queen to work day. Oh I
love this right.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Maybe Sarah could bring a drag queen Tristan.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Who would be your favorite drag queen?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Hannah Konda? Yeah yeah, Hannah hands down, Hannah light bulb.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
We could make Tristan into a drag qu for the show.
Oh yes, that episode.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Would he be down for that?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
A professional, he's probably done drag before.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Oh my god. I also like the list of favorite
drag queens. I can be very long hand from because
we're both Perth girls. But there's so many beautiful drag queens.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Fine, I know drag queens raised, Yeah, apart from.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Tyra Banks, Like, there's so many. There's so many amazing.
I can't even start to name all of them because
they'd be too many.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
So I'll send that prop over to you on email.
Give that to the studio, ten boss.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
I actually love some of those ideas. Bring your favorite
drag queen.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
To work.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Is it? I love it, totally love it.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So when should we say we're available to come on
Studio ten and do one of those Well.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
What were you saying that you're getting ready to do?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Oh tonight? Yes, I'm doing drag for the first time
for a party.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
So does then that mean that you could be a
queen that we bring to Well?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, sure, will you still be awake in the morning,
I wouldn't have gone straight from the club.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
You need to have a name first, though.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Drag name, Well, I've always thought my middle name is Caine,
so I've always thought a good drag name could be
Candy Cane. No, you guys both hate it?
Speaker 3 (40:19):
What about just Caned.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Pained? Okay, we know how you get down, we know what.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Caned get the Instagram? Start an Instagram name? So no
one takes it?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Okay? Yes? So yeah, no, When are you free jack
for studio team?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Whenever? Yeah, whenever, whenever my schedule is clear.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I've shape thing like, I'm ready to go. I've got
edible glitter at home perfect.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I bring the penis we got from in episode two
that I still haven't used. So I bring the penis
pumpin that TV is that in the morning, Okay, No,
Peenis pump.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
We can drink our stalls out of our water, out
of stream Penis stores.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Okay, it's the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
To a night out. Maybe studio Oh, I love.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
My studio, Tin family and Sope. They're so beautiful. It's
just so incredibly supportive. I love all of them.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
That's so great. I loved you. I've been on a
studiot in a multitude of times, and it's really how many,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I'd say like lost count amount of time.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Totally. Oh well, I'd say between ten and fifteen. Maybe, Wow.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
What have you been on for?
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Just different bits and pieces? I don't know. Definitely things, yeah,
like after shows, during shows, before shows, like Christmas stuff,
singing bits and pieces.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
What's your favorite thing to do on studio ten? Favorite
kind of segment?
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I quite like cooking. I like I like the cooking,
but I get too engrossed in the cooking, and and then,
like I said, resting bitch face. You think like you
think you looking like you're really having fun and you're
learning something, but actually my concentration face is just resting
bitch face. And I get too concentrate too hard on
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doing it right rather than just actually having fun.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Do you ever get in your ear, Norelda? You need
to smile?
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Do you really?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Actually, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Remember to smile.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Smile, Norelda, smile please. Yeah, Tristan, take your shirt off.
That would be my note from the control room. Tristan
shirt off. Please. I love Tristan so much, so.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Well, We've so enjoyed having you on.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
I've loved it conversation. Thank you for allowing me to
like dive into the depths of my memory to bring
out some some classic moments and share those with you.
I hope it helps.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
In some way. Absolutely, and we love you.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Love you too. Thanks Nola. You can Udio ten every
morning on Channel ten ten play I just inmit it
that credit? Is that all that is true?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, very radio of your.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Alright ring, Thank you very much, all right bye, do
love yes bitch
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Mm hmm
I haven't had some websigne.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yes, bitch had plums?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yes, bitch look nice sign yes bitch.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm good. I'm good. Living today. I don't know why. Yeah,
what was that little leg that's you playing with? And
I told you not to?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
You're vibing today.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, I'm just in a good mood.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's a nice change.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, I know. Well do you know what it might be?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Britney's wedding, Brittany's wedding, Living for the just it's just
so random, messive.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I just love its fact amazing. It's a hot mess.
But it's like not it's good.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
But like it's like it's just legendary ship.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Just love it. So, like, firstly the ten in the
backyard right by the garage, Like.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
What I'm hanging on, I need to find this photo?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So pent in the back so that the marquee okay,
where she got married.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
He's at the front of a garage.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's out. It's because it's so she had the wedding
at her house, yes Saturday, which is today the day
we're recording it. So all the photos just came out
this morning. Yeah, and she's put up this amazing marquee
where she the ceremony inside. Yeah, yeah, beautiful, but it's
literally right next to her garage. Like if you look
at some of the photos, true, you can see the
garage doors on the driveway. Do it somewhere I know,
(01:18):
but that's just killed me. And then she's just got
a couple of cocktails like scattered around.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
On the drive flowers like in a few hours. It's
just we've got a photo of every not everyone attending,
but like this photo of Donna, tell Evasaci, oh my god,
Paris Hilton, Brittany and the Madonna's next to her, Selena Gramez,
Andrew Barrymore.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, I know. I think this photo is more iconic
than the ellen Oscars photo.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Sei, Yeah, totally. This is just with Madonna with this
with the Balenciagas with a colorful dress.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
And like Brittany and Madonna recreated the the MTV Awards
kiss who so great?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
See that one? And there's a video where they're dancing
as well and Donald don'ta tell her they're singing like
their mind me to Vogue.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
No, Madonna's singing it live. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Sing it live. Well, don'ta tell hern't know what's going on.
She's kind of like looking around the place. She doesn't know.
She's out through a Martha, Oh no, I saw.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
A video here, it is here.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
What did Madonna's say at the end?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Watching someone? When I was watching it today, had no
idea that it wasn't Donald's Ella, Maybe it was Paris,
just like didn't know the words. And he's also kind
of looking around. She only just knows, Like Vogue.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Drew Barrymore has got the most prominent voice stand of
all of those to like a little queer choir.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It's a weird group as well, though, like because like
Ansel el Gort was there, he's like an actor. Like,
it's just a weird group of people, but I'm living
for it. And also in every photo, Brittany had about
five costume changers. Did you know that should have like
a green dress, a red dress, green, the wedding dress.
I'm just obsessed with her, Like there's the red dress
she just kept changing. I'm just obsessed with her. It's
(03:05):
just it's just so good. And also in every photo
she's doing the same pose that she does when she
does fabulous sideways with the head back. I love it
so much, so.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I feel like it's that that photo is just is
like the supporters of the Britney campaign, right.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
It's amazing. I love and also the flowers on the
balcony and she had this horse. Where was it? By
the way, someone posted an unblurred version of the of
the wedding invite and it says to r s v
P please email because Sam Ascari is the fiance. It says,
please email Ascari Wedding at gmail dot com, like they
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just got a Gmail for the RSV.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I just love it so much. And also it gave
away her address as well. It's blur.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Everyone would know that anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, I mean like not a normal person, but LIKEXT
from my friend Phoebe. Yeah, it was like white Horse
Drive or something. It was like a really weird like coolner. Yeah,
like white Stallion Drive. I think it was Brittany. I
know because everyone she lives in a suburb called Thousand Oaks,
So I googled white Stallion Drive thousand Oaks and like
saw the It was really cool.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Often wonder like if she's going to move now that
she's got like her money. I mean it's gorgeous house,
but it's obviously like we've all seen the India the
interesting inside. There was that meme the other day. It
was like if you know it was just there, if
you know whose living room this is, then we're friends.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And it was just where she usually does the dancing,
but she wasn't in frame. It was so funny living room.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Congrats Brittany.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, listening, but any news from you. I heard that
you have a house update.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
No, I don't know. I was just telling you that
because I haven't given my notice.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
But the real estage listen to this, But yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Thinking of moving. Yeah, I'm getting lonely.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I know.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I think you said. Did you said that last week
to me or just on the podcast?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I don't know, I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
No, just living alone.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Well, I have loved it, but I I don't know.
I've got I have a friend who's like a couple
of people are moving out of his place and I've
loved He's lived there for like five years. It's beautiful.
It's in Sorry Hill. Still it's like a gorgeous townhouse.
But yeah, I just and it's got like a big kitchen,
a big living area, like outdoor courtyard. And I don't know,
I just want more space. I feel like I like
my past.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It's kind of like a hotel room.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
It's like a hotel room. Like it's it's like a
nice cute size, like one bedroom, but like it's nice.
But like I'm not sound like a complaining but I'm
just I don't know. I want more. I just want
a bit more space. I want to like, I want
to walk out of my front door and get a
coffee early in the morning. Yeah, I have people around. Yeah,
I feel like I'm on like the red Fern side
of Surry Hills, so it's a bit quieter than like, and.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You got in trouble. Someone left an aggressive note.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I know, Well, this is why I need to move out.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, we are about to have our next potty guest
on an ex doll. Remember were like, let's call our
guest dolls.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
We've never done it.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
This person a dolt. Will take a break, We'll be
right back. Let's get well Jack, Let's bring in our
first guest for today. She's on Studio ten. We love her.
In fact, she's your friend. She is we're friends now, Yes,
but do you want to introduce Aneralda?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I do I do. This is an eralda Jacob saying hello, Hello,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Oh hey, I'm Jack's friend, I'm Take's new friends.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I know, well we only met a few months ago
and Joe Creesy's comedy show we did. Yeah, yeah, there
was a little lack after gathering and we hit it
off and.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
We loved you instantly, So it's not to love.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Oh yes, sweetheart, I loved you too instantly. What did we?
I think we that same night we organized a pooff
We did poofed dof outing for the next weekend.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And it was one of those things where it actually
did happen. We didn't just say it. I know that happened.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I know, I know it was meant to be because
I wasn't going to go out that night, and you.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Jack always says that I'm not going out this weekend.
Cut to Saturday night. I see him out everywhere.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I know, Universal Palm, Stonewall.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So wait, you guys are like new friends, and so
what have you like done apart from puftoff if you've
done like gone out.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well that so so it was at Doll's Night, yes,
and then then I then I was like innostantly I've
always wanted to go to Pufftoff And then Jack was
was like, I go there every Saturday.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Night, every Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
And then and then we organized lunch because we have
some friends in common. Yes, the harvey They lived.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Upstairs from me when I was like twelve years old
and when I was wait, who are they? So they're
the Harveys. So they so Spencer and Lloyd, their brother
and sister. Don't mind that we're saying their names. God
good good, But they were like my fairy gays that
lived upstairs from me when I was like twelve years old,
thirteen years old in high school when I yeah, when
I was young.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
My mom's cue. And so you're friends with them.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Too, Yeah, And Spencer is married to Louisa, And so
we organize this lunch, this group lunch together, which was
the next Saturday after Joel's at the Imperial Rooftop, a
bit of a liquid lunch. Yeah, And that we met
at like twelve thirty in the afternoon. And what time did.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
We film two am?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I just remember at two am, just being grinded on
by by Jack Palms.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
A lot of people that have the same story.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, I've got the same story. Multiple times. So wait,
So from IMPI, where did you go? After that?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
You went off to do so I went off?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Where did I go?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well? Then we went back to my apartment, my our apartment.
My partner Steve is in Melbourne until November. So I'm
just being looked after by the community at the moment.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Totally. I told you I to meet you. Afterwards. I
think I went to another birthday thing or something.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Then I met you at like eight or nine.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And then we called it. Then we called hannah condo
because Hannah also came to lunch. Hannah and Hannah's boyfriend Jack,
they also came to lunch. And then then Hannah was
performing at Stonewalls, so we went to Stonewalls.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Hannah too. Yeah, I coming back. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And then after.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yes, sorry we didn't invite you, Tom, but we would have.
We saw you later time.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, and then I think you guys went home and
I went to Universal.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yes, sensible, sensible because Jack is next love. I don't
know how Jack does it. Well.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
This will be my fourth weekend no alcohol.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Oh yes, thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I'm really impressed, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I tried last month and didn't work out, so now
I'm trying it again.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Are you feeling feeling really good?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, I'm feeling really good. You know what, I just
think I just need to where I'm at in life.
I need to do a bit of a shift and
it's working out this time, which is nice. I think
I've just changed my headspace a little bit, just feeling
a bit healthier. So no, yeah, no, it is good.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Big your respect for that.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Anyway, enough talking about you guys going out having fun
without me.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, we wanted to ask. Okay, so what is your country?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I'm a wadjat Junga yoga, a young woman from Borlou, Perth,
and so I've been living and working on Yadagul country
your nation since since deVie and I moved to Sydney
in January twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You've only been there for like two and a half years.
Have wow? And you what's like living in Syndic compared
to Perth.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Look, it's been a steep learning curve and particularly for
personal growth. I was very cotton wooled in Perth. I had,
you know, I've got very deep roots, family roots and
community roots in Perth, and so I had to kind
of start from scratch here and.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Did you have many friends.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Well, yeah, over the years, like I've been over for work,
filling in on studio teams and doing a bit of
the project in Melbourne, so the East Coast wasn't foreign
to me, so and I knew people at work, but
in a social sense, I didn't really know that many people.
And in a cultural sense, I didn't know that many
people either. So for me, cultural accountability is the most
(11:16):
important thing. So I set about just making connections with people. Yeah,
and also in the queer community as well, totally.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I mean that's kind of how I felt. I felt
very at home and connected around you and your and
your friends and making new friends that day and had
that we had friends in common. I mean, that's kind
of that. I feel like that's your vibe is You're
very welcoming and I feel like you kind of put
people together, and.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Well, it's about bringing people together. And while I've been
in Sydney, and anyone who's lived somewhere for a long
time and has gone you know, in the places they've
gone to school at, for example, like how many people
are still friends. There are a lot of people in
the world that are still friends with the people that
they went to school, you know, so your circle hasn't
really expanded that much. So the beauty of when you
(12:04):
leave that place that you've grown up is that you're
forced to then make new friends, and you know, these
friends have become family. And something that has that I've
realized in the last couple of years i've been here
is that people just want to be met. You know,
I've realized.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That that's a really interesting way of putting it.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
People just want to be met. You know, Like we
meet each other on social media really easily. Why can't
we do that face to face.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
What's so awkward is I have so many people that
I follow on Instagram that where friends, we DM, we message,
we like replay each other's things, and then I'll see
them at like an event, and i will never go
up and talk to them because I'm almost like embarrassed, like, well,
this person recognized me, remember me. It happened last night.
I went to dinner at Grilled and there was someone
that I we mess each other all the time, and
(12:52):
he was there and I was like, Oh, do I
go and tell you hello? It's so weird. Also think
he was on the date, but I didn't want to interrupt,
but I was like, it's so weird. And even when
we message, it always like, oh my god, we never
meet in real life ha, or like we've been at
the same of like events or whatever and we haven't
seen each other. So it's really weird. Just it's so right,
like I would love to meet this person in real life.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Do you think there's some anxiety, some social anxiety that
creates one.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Hundred percent for me? Because it's it's like, well, this
person recognized me in real life, and like, obviously, yes,
I know they will, but it's just really it's a
really weird situation where you know these people online, but
when you see me in relive, is.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
It about a recognition or will they like me? Is
that kind of a No, I don't think so, because like,
well because who like exactly just in terms of like
I love that attitude though, it's.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Just in terms of like in real life it's I
get really awkward with people I don't know, and I'm
definitely not myself around people I don't know until I
know that until I've hung out with them for a while.
And so to be in especially by myself, I was
by myself and he was there with someone, so to
be like hey, and then they go hey, and then
I'm like, oh my god, brod you're having for dinner?
Then where does it go? And that's where I get
(14:03):
really awkward?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, so I used to get that. Now I just
kind of like, I think I overdo it just to
like cut the awkwardness out completely. And so I try
and like overly make people feel comfortable and probably making
them feel less comfortable. But I try and cut the
awkward awkwardness out as soon as it But you.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Need but you also need to You need that some
kind of an introduction first, and when you don't have
that introduction, then you're kind of suspicious of why are
you hanging around?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So did you move here for Studio ten? Right?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I moved here because I wanted a new challenge. I
was ready for a new challenge, Like I was. I
was reading the five o'clock bulletin for Channel ten in Perth,
and I've been doing that for a long time, like
ten years.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Going on a line. Just let me quickly. I'm from
Sydney and Santrachali has been on the TV my whole life,
and it's like it really is when you watch the news,
it's like you feel like you trust that person. She's
been they've been on for one hundred years.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
And you can trust her as well. She is the
absolute queen. So you were her of wa, yes, I was, yeah, yep.
And it's a fantastic job. I absolutely loved it. I
was ready for I was ready for a challenge, and
I was ready to see what else the world had
out there. And I'd started coming over to do some
filling in on Studio ten and I was just really
(15:16):
enjoying it. I love being able to share opinions. I
love knowing that I had opinions started.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
So different to just reading an autocure.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
So different. And because the whole time that I had
been a news presenter, you're not allowed to share your opinions.
You know, that's that's ingrained in you as soon as
you take the job. And in fact, I was a
reporter for eight years before I got the presenter's job.
And the first thing I was told when I got
(15:43):
the job, like, you know, it was kind of made
very plain to me. We know that you're Aboriginal and gay,
but you can't be political, so you have to kind
of set those set those things aside. And so which
is like how do you how.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Do you take that off boar?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
You like, well, well, it is now like when I
have these conversations and think back to those times, it's
really upsetting. I'm so offended that those things were said
to me. But at the time it was a dream job.
I was getting my dream job, and I just thought, yeah,
that's what you have to do, like everybody else is
doing it. So this is what I have to do
(16:21):
if I want this job and I want this career.
This is what I have to do. But being aboriginal
and gay isn't political. It's existential, you know, it's who
we are, you are, And I really hated during this
campaign that we were even talking about trans women in sport.
You know, that wasn't politics, That wasn't even a thing.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
It was just a waste of oxygen to be able
to talk to have to talk about those sorts of things.
So it's been a huge, huge learning curve and personal
growth for the last two and a half years, and
also thinking it's allowed me to think back over my career,
over my twenty year career at Channel ten, before before
I was allowed to share opinions.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Wow, that kind of remind I wanted to bring this up,
so you kind of already did. I watched Ellen's final
episode was like, I don't know, two or three weeks ago,
and in the final week, she was doing all these
kind of like I guess, revealing behind the scenes stuff.
You know, she did a whole list of things that
when she first started out for her first season, which
was about twenty years ago, she there's a whole list
of things that she was and wasn't allowed to say,
(17:25):
and a whole list of things of certain ways she
had to look so like they had to have a
certain amount of makeup on, she had to wear like lashes,
she had a like certain clothes she couldn't wear, just
like T shirt and jeans. She had to wear like
sort of she had to wear jewelry. She had to
she had to have her hair a certain length.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
So it was Ellen telling like say Ellen, So she
was like she.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Was like when I first started. Obviously she's always had
kind of short hair, but they wanted it to be
a certain length. So when you watch the first seas
and then another couple of other things was she wasn't
allowed to say gay and she wasn't glad to say
we so she wasn'tou to say like we as in
because someone might think she was in a relationship. Oh
yeah then, and so she was obviously like, now I
(18:08):
say we all the time and my wife and we
talk about gay stuff. So it's totally changed. But is
that the same kind of I guess you just sort
of said it was the same kind of rules they
gave me back then.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Well, not being allowed allowed to go to protests, not
being able to go to rallies, not being able to
sign petitions, part of.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Your life had to kind of you just silence yourself essentially.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yep. And before a holiday, I would always get my
haircut just a bit, a bit shorter because I knew
that it would have time to grow out by the
time I got back to work. One time, the haircut
was really short and didn't grow back by the time
I got back to work. And so the boss, the
boss said to me, yeah, that's that's a bit short.
And he said, you're not a newsreader. Just front on.
(18:55):
You're a newsreader three hundred and sixty degrees, so everybody
can see you from every angle, no matter if you
are in the studio or wherever you are. When if
you're a grocery. If you're doing stopping in the supermarket,
you are still a news presenter. You're still an employee
of Channel team.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
The length of your yeah, I guess we can look
at that.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Thing that was what twelve years ago.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Maybe, yeah, because I said to him, like, it's only
short at the back, and that's when he said, you
are a newsreader three hundred and sixty degrees.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I like the analogy, but not the context.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah. But in two thousand and eight, when I started presenting,
I did a public coming out in the Sunday newspaper.
It was, you know, the glossy magazine newspaper. Yeah, And
so I was on I was on the I was
on the cover of that. It was like a really
special moment and it was my big coming out to
the world. And that got approval from the bosses at
Channel teen and because they thought, well, let's let's do
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it in a really public way at the beginning, so
that this is not secret. It's not a secret and
it's not like gossip, you know, so, which which was
good for me because then I didn't have to things
like be mindful of saying we my my my, you know,
my girlfriend or those sorts of things. I was just
open from the beginning, you know, which was really great.
(20:11):
I'm still working on wearing flat shoes. I still have
to wear heels. I don't mind heels so much, but
I would love to be able to do an Ellen sneaker.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, even on studio allowed to because it's kind of
like casual fun.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I've asked, Yeah, I've asked, but no.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Sometimes I see Brooke Bony with no shoes on it
all when they do a white Yes, bitch, take those
shoes off, because I think she's probably nails as well.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I went to ask as well, like I mean both
in studio ten, I guess that your job beforehand as
well at ten, how is it? How has it been?
Or just in media in general, being a openly queer
First Nations woman.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Before I could share opinions, there was the visibility. The
visibility was there so people would be able to, you know,
watch the news and see your person, see brown skin,
but not necessarily know that I was gay. Visibility fat
is a great start, but you need to back it
up with substance. And I feel like I'm giving the
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substance now because I have the freedom to be able
to say everything I want to say all the things
that I have ever felt, to be able to represent
sections of the community, to be the person that I
wanted to see. You know, we always say that you
know that, you know, there was I didn't relate to anyone,
so true though, I mean, gay kids watching the news
(21:41):
wouldn't have known that I was gay because I wasn't
actually saying the words, and because I wasn't allowed to really,
you know, I wasn't allowed to be able to lend
my voice to things. And it came to a bit
of a head in twenty seventeen before the marriage equality
or during the Magic marriage equality debate, and I was
being preemptive and I sent an email to the network
(22:06):
news boss and said, you know, I haven't been asked yet,
but can I lend my voice to the s campaign?
And the reply came back saying no, I think you
know the answer to that, you know, And so I
sort of stopped it there. Then a few weeks later,
the CEO of the company sends an email to all
(22:27):
staff saying that Network ten is a supporter of the
marriage equality debate, right a supporter of marriage equality, And
so I quickly sent forwarded this email to my boss
and said does this change things? And it got back
to me and said, let me get back to you.
Sure enough. I was able to then make some comments
(22:49):
as a lesbian woman who who wanted just the world
to be able to just say yes, you know, just
say yes. That's all we want. It's not going to
affect you all live. But by allowing everybody else to
be able to marry the people that they love, you know,
love is love, then it makes a world of difference
to them. So that was like the first step to
be allowed to lend my voice to something that was
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seen to be political, but it's not even marriage equalities
not political.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Do you remember where you were when the yes vote
was passed?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, I was in north Bridge in Perth. There's a park,
there was a part, there was a public viewing set up,
big screens.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I was on the lawn.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I was draped in a flag. My girlfriend at the
time was standing next to me. It was a tightly
packed there. There were hundreds of people that had turned out.
It was a two hour time difference. So this is
like eight o'clock in the morning for first, because I
think it was about ten thirty ten o'clock in the
vote yeah, yeah, it was quite early and the vote.
(23:50):
Do you remember when the numbers were counted out, everyone
was doing some quick maths and then I think it
took for the first for the first person to erupt,
and then hundreds of people were just erupted and the
tears fell, Strangers were hugging strangers. I mean, it gives
(24:11):
me goose by now think about it. And then and
then the crowd went to the Court Hotel, which opened earlier,
and champagne was popped and there was huge celebrations. It
was really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
I think that was a bit of a universal thing.
We all went to the whatever pub was closest.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Well, I was in London at the time, and right,
like you just said, with the time difference, it was
like one or two in the morning or something, and
we knew was happening. And I was there with like
maybe ten Aussies as well, and we were all at
someone's house and we were like watching it on a phone,
like leaned them against the table because they was like
like a sharehouse in London. They didn't have a TV,
they didn't have like running border, you know what I mean.
(24:45):
And there was like there was like maybe like half
of the group was gay, but everyone was so excited,
and then as soon as it happened, we were like
the same thing, crying and everyone was so emotional. It
was just so like halfway around the world. It was
just such an impactful thing of just a group of us,
and I only knew like two of them. Everyone else
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was random. It was just so amazing when.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
You have strangers hugging strangers and crying with each other.
That's the impact that that day had. And to everyone
who voted, know what impact days ahead on.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I know completely and fuck you, thank you. I just
had to say it. So we were chatting before we
started recording. We were chatting about an award that you
were nominated for. Was it two thousand and eight?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah. I hadn't given this a second thought until I
saw my Instagram feed just a few weeks ago was
flooded with an awards ceremony, A queer award ceremony. You
performed it?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Did I sang it?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Entertainment Jeremy Fernandez from the ABC M seed it and
there were all these amazing queer people from our community
who were receiving awards. I'm not sure what the actual
name of the Queer Awards in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And I was.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I was just like glowing, you know, these beaming smile, thinking,
you know, congratulations, like you really deserve this because these
people are tylist campaigners for our community. And then I
remembered that in two thousand and eight I was also
nominated for something was I was on a list and
I couldn't quite remember what it was, and I was
(26:25):
invited to go to an awards ceremony. I googled it
this morning so I had more information because I've put
it so far out of my mind. I didn't know
what the awards were called. I didn't even know what
it was, but I knew that it was a queer
awards that was in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It's a diversity award.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, work place, so it was. It was called the
same same twenty five most influential Queer Australians right, and
I was, I was on the list, and I received
I received an email one day saying no, really, you're
on the list. We would love to honor you by being,
you know, on this list of twenty five most influential
queer people. The ceremonies in Sydney on such such a date,
(27:03):
I would love you to come and receive this. So
I took this to my boss and he said, this
is in two thousand and eight. So there, I had
just got the job months before, come out in the
Sunday Paper to the public. Months later, I received this
honor and go to the boss and he says, you
(27:24):
don't want to do that, do you. You don't want
to go to Sydney and get that award, do you?
And so I kind of looked at him, and I
wasn't in a position of power really because I just
I only I was new to the position, and so
I kind of just said, okay, nah, probably no, all right,
probably not no, Okay, yeah, I see your point, you know, yeah, okay, yeah,
(27:47):
I see your point. Now I don't want to do that.
So I didn't do it. When I go gold it
this morning, I saw who else was on the list,
Bloody which i'd gone Ruby Rose, Porscha to Rossie, Politicians
like Bob Brown, Penny Wong was on the list. One
of my heroes from Perthkeis Watson, who was a Greens
(28:10):
member of Parliament, because Watson's was on the list, and
all these people who I have long admired, all of
these years. I would have loved to have been in
that room, you know, I would have loved to have
been in that room. And when people ask you, like
have you experienced racism or homophobia? And it's hard to
kind of think of one thing. And also we think
(28:30):
of name calling and we think of huge moments of
discrimination or things that have stopped me from doing something.
Was this one of the Was this one of those moments? Like,
was I actually stopped from going to something that it
might have actually changed the trajectory of my life in
some way. If I'd been in that room and been
accepted by the community of people that were the most
(28:53):
influential queis in Australia. Could that have made me want
to push boundaries sooner? You know? Why did I have
to wait twenty years, you know, for January twenty twenty
to come and be able to speak my mind, to
be stopped from being one of those people to push boundaries?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Completely, you know, I yeah, and I so, And.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
For other people, it's not. It would have been such
an incredible thing for yourself, but other people as well,
being in the media and being on Channel ten and
being a public figure.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
To see me actually speak about the things total just
being the person reading the autoque on the news, but
actually hearing me speak about real time events that impact
people's lives that aren't political, they are existential.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I'm getting to just say that that you were nominated
for a Queer Award for being one of the most
influential queer people in Australia. What have I mean? I
would have been watching the how would I have been
ten or something or eleven like me? Seeing that on
TV would have it just would have changed how I
thought what being queen look like. I didn't even know
if what the word quier meant back then, but being
(29:57):
gay or whatever. Just feeling different, Yeah, yeah, it just
feeling different. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
And I think the impact of being told you.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Don't want to do that, do you so, gas lady?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
It stopped me then from really doing anything else because
I knew what was the point, you know, what was
the point of asking is I know what it's going
to be? Until I've plucked up the courage in twenty
seventeen to say can I lend my voice? You know,
it was nine years later, like can I now? Like
have I done enough? You know, have I put in
(30:28):
the time? Now do I have a little bit more
power in this position to have the courage to ask,
and it still took courage to ask the question. And
even then it came back no in the first instance,
you know, even then it came back no.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I mean, I guess it depends what you want to do.
But like, what would be advise some people that wanted
to get into media or like TV or radio or
magazines or whatever, But it's so fucking hard to get into.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
It's really hard. You've got to work hard, and there's
no easy way in, Like, there's no easy way in.
I mean this is coming from someone who's been in
the industry for twenty two years now, and and it
was hard work. I did work experience on the weekends.
And I would love it to I would love it
to change. I would love for people who have just raw,
raw talent and that dedication and passion to be able
(31:14):
to just walk right in, you know, and take the jobs,
the on air jobs, like the best jobs, you know.
But that's still not the way that it's that it's done.
There's still a bit of a pecking order, and you
just you need to be prepared to work for basically nothing.
You basically you need to be prepared to pay to
(31:34):
work pretty much, because that's how little reward there is
in the beginning. Latch onto someone, Latch onto someone that
you love that's in the industry that you want to
be in, and make them your mentor. You know that
that's my anyone Unofficially, yeah, well officially and unofficially, like
I like to take people under my wing, particularly First
(31:55):
Nations people, and we have some First Nations journals in
our newsroom. I also spend a Tuesday afternoon at I
TV doing the Point. I co present the Point with
JP Janki, and that's fantastic. There's oh, there's just beautiful
people out there doing incredible things. You know. I'm just
I'm just blessed to be one of them. I don't
(32:15):
I don't ever see myself as as being a mentor
in terms of being you know, having any sort of
seniority or any kind of you know, power or whatever.
I just see that they're my contemporaries, and I've got
things that could potentially help you. You know that. That's
how I kind of see it. Because I'm learning as
well from I'm learning from new generations as well, you know,
(32:35):
and the new generations probably have as much to teach
us as the other way around.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I think you're a mentor and a leader by just
living your life, and I think you're paving away for
so many people.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Sometimes celebrities are that someone like Jack is that someone
for people? I think courage. It does come down to courage.
And what I can tell you for sure is that
when you do live your authentic self, the burden lifts
having to pretend, you know, and there is just a
freedom that comes with it, and you might lose friends,
(33:07):
but you'll gain friends. And you won't just gain friends,
you'll gain a family. You'll gain a chosen family, and
that is way more important. There's a quote that is
my absolute favorite. It's better to be hated for who
you are than loved for who you are not you know.
So it's about not pretending to be someone just to
(33:28):
be liked, because the haters are a minority of people
and you don't need them in your life anyway. All
you need is the people that love you. And by
being your authentic self, other people will see that. And
I think you know this is an area for First
Nations queer people. There is so much work that needs
to be done to create safer spaces. Black Rainbow is
(33:50):
an incredible organization, you know, like follow Black Rainbow on
Instagra and all the social media platforms because they are
changing the narrative. They are given the support. They are
sticking up for people who have never been stood up
four before, queer people. You know, during the BLM, we
heard black trans lives matter because when it when it
(34:11):
comes down to it, black trans lives, black trans people
are the most vulnerable on this planet, you know, and
we need to stand up for them, you know. So
find the find the safe spaces, find the safe people. Yeah,
that's my advice.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
We wanted to play a game.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yes, we've done all the serious things. We have a
fun game. It's not really a game. It's more of
like a pitch.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Okay, yeah, it's a professional pitch for us to get.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Professional, very professional. So we thought of obviously, like Studio
ten does serious stuff but also like fun stuff. Yes,
segments with like you know, Kyle Sandalands, my boss came
in and did like a segment with his neuivas agria.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yes, yes he did.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Tristan and Sarah were drinking the sangreine and they make
cocktails at what time. Okay, I would have been it
would have been maybe like the ten o'clock hour, right, okay. Anyway,
they come in and pick things, they're crafting things whatever.
So we've got a couple of pitch ideas because we
thought we can come in studio ten with you and
like maybe do some of these and people like get
(35:13):
a vibe. All right, hear me as you know what
I mean? Yep, okay. So the first one is this
is more like of a like a what do you
call them, not an infomercial, like a a tutorial kind
welcome to my tutorial.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, well, like if there's a cooking segment and they've
got like one that they're about to cook and then
they go someone I prepared earlier.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yes, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
The first one is waxing your friend one oh one.
So basically we would have a lineup of guys, before
you say no, okay, a lineup of very hairy guys,
maybe bears, because hair that you can like they've all
got like dark hair tes you can see the hair
on TV. And there's different things, so like maybe like
waxing your arm with a.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Wax, want to say which body part of which.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
A progress progress.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
So like the first guy, we wax his arm with
a wax trip, and then the second guy we waxed
his nostrils, and then the third guy. It's a chest
like a chest neir on his chest.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Guys, a ball sack.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Can we choose the people? I think Joe Hilberbrand got
waxed on air. Yeah, I remember, Yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Was specifically waxing your friend.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Am I thinking of Steve Carroll in that movie?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Maybe possible?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
No, that's a goer, Okay, I was not expected about
I don't know about bull sacks under a curtain, under
a curtain, yes, okay, yeah, okay, stranger, it happened on studio.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Let's put it. Maybe I'll put it maybe beside that one? Okay, Jack,
what's your one?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
My one? Is that?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Okay? So where no stranger to a to a gay bar,
three of us. Maybe there's like a segment where it's
like cocktail making, but like studio, like like a stonewallong island.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
What was it? Cocksuckingsucking cowboy. We could teach Australia how
to make a cocksucking cowboy.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
We One of our favorite shooters on Studio ten is
a wet pussy.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Well, we can teach Australia how to make a wet
have to do that, we'll do the cox up and
what about if so yet? You can mean we can
do drinking early morning on TV?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Right, yeah, look, yes, pretend we pretend drinking.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Okay, not in the eight am, but maybe like the
ten a m l okay okay, so I'll put it
maybe next to that one maybe maybe all right, the
next one is obviously it's Pride months. Yes, we thought,
what about we make some queer cookies, so we could
do like rainbow flags, you know, with a glitter edible glitter,
(37:50):
definitely edible glitter. Great, but in the shape of penises.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Oh yeah, I reckon that would.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Be really bobs as well.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yes, yeah, definitely. Yeah. We say vagina on air. Yeah,
we say penis on Its amazing. We talked about penis
and we're talking about vaginas. So what's the difference between
showing like baking one, right and then eating it?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
And then we could really craft it up. We could
get like thin black liquorice and cut it really short
and then stick them in into be like the pubes.
Do you think that would get approved.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Or I can take it to the.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Just not in Perth. Wouldn't let you come to.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Maybe that's amazing, great bosses.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Maybe what's your next one?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Well, I mean something a game, but I reckon we
could do it, like for a Pride Month. I could
bring your favorite drag queen to work day. Oh I
love this right.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Maybe Sarah could bring a drag queen Tristan.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Who would be your favorite drag queen?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Hannah Konda? Yeah yeah, Hannah hands down, Hannah light bulb.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
We could make Tristan into a drag qu for the show.
Oh yes, that episode.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Would he be down for that?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
A professional, he's probably done drag before.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Oh my god. I also like the list of favorite
drag queens. I can be very long hand from because
we're both Perth girls. But there's so many beautiful drag queens.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Fine, I know drag queens raised, Yeah, apart from.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Tyra Banks, Like, there's so many. There's so many amazing.
I can't even start to name all of them because
they'd be too many.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
So I'll send that prop over to you on email.
Give that to the studio, ten boss.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
I actually love some of those ideas. Bring your favorite
drag queen.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
To work.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Is it? I love it, totally love it.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So when should we say we're available to come on
Studio ten and do one of those Well.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
What were you saying that you're getting ready to do?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Oh tonight? Yes, I'm doing drag for the first time
for a party.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
So does then that mean that you could be a
queen that we bring to Well?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, sure, will you still be awake in the morning,
I wouldn't have gone straight from the club.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
You need to have a name first, though.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Drag name, Well, I've always thought my middle name is Caine,
so I've always thought a good drag name could be
Candy Cane. No, you guys both hate it?
Speaker 3 (40:19):
What about just Caned.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Pained? Okay, we know how you get down, we know what.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Caned get the Instagram? Start an Instagram name? So no
one takes it?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Okay? Yes? So yeah, no, When are you free jack
for studio team?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Whenever? Yeah, whenever, whenever my schedule is clear.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I've shape thing like, I'm ready to go. I've got
edible glitter at home perfect.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I bring the penis we got from in episode two
that I still haven't used. So I bring the penis
pumpin that TV is that in the morning, Okay, No,
Peenis pump.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
We can drink our stalls out of our water, out
of stream Penis stores.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Okay, it's the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
To a night out. Maybe studio Oh, I love.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
My studio, Tin family and Sope. They're so beautiful. It's
just so incredibly supportive. I love all of them.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
That's so great. I loved you. I've been on a
studiot in a multitude of times, and it's really how many,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I'd say like lost count amount of time.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Totally. Oh well, I'd say between ten and fifteen. Maybe, Wow.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
What have you been on for?
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Just different bits and pieces? I don't know. Definitely things, yeah,
like after shows, during shows, before shows, like Christmas stuff,
singing bits and pieces.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
What's your favorite thing to do on studio ten? Favorite
kind of segment?
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I quite like cooking. I like I like the cooking,
but I get too engrossed in the cooking, and and then,
like I said, resting bitch face. You think like you
think you looking like you're really having fun and you're
learning something, but actually my concentration face is just resting
bitch face. And I get too concentrate too hard on
(42:10):
doing it right rather than just actually having fun.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Do you ever get in your ear, Norelda? You need
to smile?
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Do you really?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Do you?
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Actually, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Remember to smile.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Smile, Norelda, smile please. Yeah, Tristan, take your shirt off.
That would be my note from the control room. Tristan
shirt off. Please. I love Tristan so much, so.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Well, We've so enjoyed having you on.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
I've loved it conversation. Thank you for allowing me to
like dive into the depths of my memory to bring
out some some classic moments and share those with you.
I hope it helps.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
In some way. Absolutely, and we love you.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Love you too. Thanks Nola. You can Udio ten every
morning on Channel ten ten play I just inmit it
that credit? Is that all that is true?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, very radio of your.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Alright ring, Thank you very much, all right bye, do
love yes bitch
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Mm hmm
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