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Ep 77: Dog sh*t, Seal's milk, Woodlouse and Homeopathy for AIDS - Jonathan Stallick shares his experiences with some new Homeopathic remedies
Jonathan Stallick has helped thousands of patients in his practise since 1987, as well as lecturing worldwide. In this episode, he discusses some incredibly interesting remedies as well as sharing his experience of working with AIDS patients. Homeopaths who would like to learn from Jonathan's vast experience can register for his courses at www.jonathanstallick.com
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So today we speak with homeopath Jonathan Stalick, who has been practicing homeopathy for over 35 years.
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He's helped thousands of patients to better health and happiness and he's lectured
on homeopathy to professionals all over the world.
If you're a homeopath listening, be sure to check out Jonathan's lectures on
his website, jonathanstalik.com, or check the show notes for the link.
He is an incredible lecturer, and I know you're going to love learning from him.
He's always doing lectures on new and interesting remedies that you've probably
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never heard of and presenting cases from his clinic, and it will really challenge
you and expand your thinking and grow you as a homeopath. path.
So quick warning, if you have little kitties listening to this episode with
you, the word S-H-I-T is used several times in this episode.
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but you are going to love this episode. It was so fun to do.
And yeah, Jonathan is really a great character. Enjoy the episode.
Welcome to the Homeopathy Hangout, where we discuss all things homeopathy from
around the And now my mum and your host, Eugenie Kruger.
Hello homies and a very warm welcome to Homeopathy Hangout.
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Today we get to chat with a lovely Jonathan Stalick all the way from England. Welcome Jonathan.
Hey Eugenie. Is it Eugenie? Yeah, Eugenie.
Eugenie. Wow. If you want to go the French, it's actually Eugenie,
but in Australia, yes, in Australia, they bastardize everyone's name.
So here I am, Eugenie. Eugenie.
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Exactly. Well, it's so lovely to have you on today. I've had a few of your buddies
on, including the lovely Hilary Dorian.
So it's just wonderful to have you on today as well. I'm so excited.
Can you tell us, Jonathan, you've been practicing for over 35 years,
but how were you first introduced to homeopathy?
So homeopathy was just a word that my mom, I think my mom had a friend that
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went to a homeopath and so it was just a word.
And I went through a pretty difficult time.
This was back in the 80s, and I was getting anxiety attacks.
I'd come out of college, and my sister had died.
There were a few things that were really bothering me, but I was all bottled
up like a good growing guy.
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We just bottled everything up and was getting panic attacks.
I just thought I didn't want to go down the route of conventional
antidepressants and anti-anxiety pills and
so i just thought oh well try homeopathy it's a word you
know natural and i went to see a nice gentleman nice
indian gentleman in in london and the remedies seem to work and then i started
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reading about it and it was like one of those moments like one of those seminal
moments that's a good word seminal
moments when you think it just hit me between the eyes oh my my God.
This is, I've got to know more about this.
This is just, it's like something I'd never really, you know,
there's a whole world, homeopathy is like a world that I'd never come across before, really.
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And it just sort of just struck me that I've got to find out more about this
and was kind of hooked from that point on and started just treating friends
and family with sort of first aid stuff and started seeing results.
And then just thought, I was at the time, I was a professional musician.
Musician so I was the cellist and was you
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know playing and teaching and so
then it was a big decision whether to switch
you know I just had this feeling that homeopathy was supposed to
be part of my life and so I switched I actually went
to college in London I found a homeopathy
college and yeah then that was and then sort of gradually gave up the music
and went over to homeopathy so that was the way it started amazing do you still
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do you still play cello i do it's a beautiful instrument i love it it is yeah
it is although i'm actually trying to set it for the moment.
It's funny actually i just before covid struck i hadn't had the cello for about
eight years and and i just had this feeling that i wanted to reconnect with
that i just felt really strong about it so i,
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I had some money and I thought I'm going to, I'll buy a cello. And I did.
And then COVID came on. I was so pleased that I had something to really focus
on, you know, in those times when during lockdown, it was a real bit.
So I thought, wow, I must've had some kind of instinct about it.
So yeah, but yeah, cello is great.
Yeah. Music is so good for everything. It really is. I played piano for a few
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years and yeah, it's just, I can't imagine not having some sort of musical instrument
to, to help you along. long.
Now, in the 1990s, you spent a few years treating hundreds of patients with
HIV-AIDS, and you wrote a book about it called AIDS, The Homeopathic Challenge.
You've got to tell us more. So, okay, so back in 1990, AIDS,
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you've got to realize at that time, or you probably maybe remember,
or you maybe don't, I don't know.
But at that time, it was probably like COVID was in the early days,
you know, people were terrified of it.
And even in the homeopathic community, like very few people really wanted to
touch it because it seemed such a massive undertaking.
I'd made connection with a homeopath called Mike Strange, who was practicing in South London.
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And I worked with him and he was seeing a lot of HIV and AIDS patients.
So there was that connection. And then a friend of mine was going to visit one
of the AIDS, HIV and AIDS centers for people with HIV in London.
And she said, why don't you come along?
And at the time I'd kind of given up homeopathy for a little while.
I burnt out a little bit and I was doing other stuff.
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So I thought, well, you know, it wouldn't hurt.
I thought I'll go along, have a look. It'd be quite interesting. I'm sure.
Went along and I was kind of said, could I, I thought I could do a talk on homeopathy.
That's all I was going to do. I didn't want to see any patients. I would,
but I could give a talk on it so i gave the talk this talk they they were very
pleased to welcome me to do this talk and i did that and they loved it and the
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guy who ran the center said look would you come and work here as a homeopath
and i went no no thank you very much you know that's too much.
And he said look come on just try it out for a few weeks see how you get on
you know there's no obligation if you don't like it then no problem and then
i just kind of thought okay okay, just jump in the deep end and started seeing
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some really good results.
And I was like, so I was really encouraged and inspired and just thought,
oh yeah, this is really interesting. Yeah, that's how it started.
And so I worked at two centers in London. One of them, which is the main center
called London Lighthouse,
which was pretty pioneering at the time. I mean, it was a beautiful building
in West London and all the facilities had a beautiful lecture hall and a restaurant or cafe and a,
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not a hospice, but a residential unit on the top floor where people could go and rest.
And they had nurses, full-time nurses, and they had all the alternative therapies.
So they had massage, they had hypnotherapy.
It was a really kind of great opportunity for sort of alternative medicine
to come into its own and homeopathy they
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wanted a homeopath and i was there at the right time and
i was recruited to work i worked there like
a whole day one day a week and they even they bought me a whole pharmacy of
remedies like i had a a cupboard you know i i could just they had loads of money
at the time and i just was able to buy any remedy i wanted so i had a huge yeah
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pharmacy which was fantastic and yeah and we're seeing you know, and I saw about 500,
over 500 patients with HIV and AIDS.
And wow, it was kind of, it was really interesting. It was a way of really understanding.
I mean, I think the public had a perception of HIV and AIDS through media,
but this was a way to really understand the battlefront, if you like,
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to see what is, what are these people really going through and what is really
going on? And it sort of taught me a lot.
I'll give you an example of something thing it told me. For example,
I said to one guy who I was treating, I said, look, okay, so supposing I was
able to give you a remedy or a tablet that could completely get rid of the HIV,
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make you completely without HIV.
How would you feel about that? And I thought that's a fairly sort of straightforward
question. You think he might jump at the charts.
No, he said, I'm not sure. He said, because, you know, I've got my life all
set up. I've got my friends, I'm getting housing benefit.
I'm getting an income from the government.
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So there was some, there were some things that, you know, it wasn't all,
these people weren't all victims
of some terrible disease. There was something else going on as well.
So anyway, there were some various things like that, that it's taught me as
well, but I did have, you know, I had some really good results.
I'll tell you my first patient I saw, my first HIV patient, because this sticks in my mind.
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So he came along and he
had this sort of i'm assuming my book but he
had like he'd had everything he'd had
bowel cancer he'd had loads of
stds so gonorrhea syphilis he had kidney failure he'd had i don't know i can't
remember everything but he'd had every been vaccinated to the hilt and then
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he had an operation for bowel cancer and when he turned up to see me he couldn't
he He could hardly sit down because they'd operated through his rectum,
and had cut the rectum, and he was in terrible pain,
you know, real, really pain.
And they'd given him like a couple of months to live, basically.
He was, you know, he'd lost a lot of weight.
So I just kind of thought, okay, and I gave him a number of remedies.
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And I was, at the time, I was giving multiple remedies.
I felt that at the time that AIDS and HIV needed perhaps a different approach.
And I would give people you know maybe a
series of no different nozodes for example I would identify different layers
and sort of treat each layer but all together not sure I would do it in the
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same way now but at the time it just felt right and so I gave him a number of
remedies and especially the I think the remedy that really helped was staph
sagrea interestingly and.
The pain just like disappeared. His T-cell count rocketed.
After a few weeks, he was well enough to travel the world. He wanted to travel the world.
Wow. And he started traveling. And then the punchline is that he got murdered in Mallorca. Yeah.
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I wonder what this guy did in his past life. I know.
I mean, you know, and I hadn't given him Cipollino. That was probably the missing remedy, maybe.
Yeah. I don't think that would have stopped the murder, though.
He'd gone out in style. And he was able to travel the world and he was well
enough and felt great and his energy had come back.
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So it was a success in that sense.
That's amazing. And one remedy we've never talked about on this podcast is the remedy made from AIDS.
And I have actually embarrassingly never prescribed this.
I almost prescribed a little while ago, but the patient refused to take the
remedy, even though I explained there's none of the actual aids in there.
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But I wonder, Jonathan, can you tell our listeners a little bit about the remedy aids?
And did you ever use that in any of your prescriptions for your AIDS client?
Well, then I'm equally embarrassed because I know I have not actually used the AIDS no-so.
At least I've not used it where I've had a kind of definite result, put it that way.
I'm not a real expert on the AIDS no-so, but I do know that it has to do with feeling
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like the boundaries of are very
very tenuous and so boundaries either people
feel get abused regularly or they
are receptive to lots of infections but there's a kind of like it's a they're
porous yeah porosity and you know that that seems to be the sort of the main
and that's a lot of a feeling of sort of abuse like a heavily abused person
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well maybe i should use it more. Yeah.
Roger Savage helped me on a case of a boy who had a steroid withdrawal symptoms.
And I don't know if you've ever seen this. It's actually a disease.
It's got its own clinical name of steroid withdrawal. Something that's also
called red skin, something like that.
And this, this poor boy looked like he was a leper. Like his skin was just so
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terrible. He couldn't even wear any clothes.
He was just like sitting in a bathtub all day long, sitting there all naked.
And Roger said to use the AIDS no zone, but yeah, I couldn't,
but the client just wouldn't take it but I thought that well I'd tell you another
remedy that you could use for that situation so where the skin has become the
skin has become you mean really thin and papery yeah and also there was just
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it just sores everywhere his whole body was covered in sores.
Yeah lecithin is the remedy ah okay i've
only used that i can't remember yeah i can't remember where
i read that but that is the remedy for yeah withdrawal
of steroids where the steroids have really affected the
skin in that way so thank you so much
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that is amazing i'm always learning new remedies
on this podcast myself people always messaging saying oh i learned
this and this i'm like well i learned even more than you so i
love it and can you tell us maybe a little bit about the book
AIDS the homeopathic challenge so what could what will
people find in this book yeah I wanted to make
it like it's not like a textbook or a manual but more just my experiences really
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you know good and bad and some of my perhaps my insights I'd garnered from working
with the HIV and AIDS thing so some of the sort of some of the more maybe some of the psychological
things about patients who are in that situation and also some of the pitfalls
of practicing because I'm not burnt out like two or three times while I was, you know,
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when you've got, when you're working and all day long, you've got people coming
in who think they're going to die.
It's, it's quite a sort of, it's quite a big deal or at least it was at the beginning.
I mean, I learned, I toughened up and that's one thing it taught me to toughen up a lot,
but there's the the pitfalls of practice and
then there's a lot of materia medica that i learned and also strategies i
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mean i i was doing a lot of layer prescribing and multiple
remedy prescribing so i wanted to sort of introduce that even though at the
time i mean it was very taboo you know i mean i had great difficulty with getting
my society of homeopaths registration and i had a terrible terrible review of
the book in the Society Journal.
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I mean, it was really, it was not just critical, it was kind of.
Critical of me as a person i mean it was really sort of like
saying that i wasn't fit kind of fit to practice kind of
thing yet here you are 35 years later 35 years
later well you know
and then but then jan sholton wrote me a nice review so
it kind of sort of balanced it out so hopefully it's
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a good read actually i mean there's some nice cases in there you know
showing how how i was practicing and it is like a
historical document in a way it's not what i would
probably do now in some ways i think i you
know i've changed my my thinking and challenge changed away but at the time
it was just what i was doing and it kind of worked in many cases so well maybe
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we can talk about that next if you don't mind is how has your your methodology
and your prescribing and things changed over the past three decades yeah so
i think when i was at college,
we were taught, you know, really a relatively small number of remedies and a
sort of classical approach.
And I remember coming out of college and one of my fellow students had started
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practicing in this kind of multi-layered way and she was getting fantastic results.
And so that sort of opened my mind to,
you know, really kind of finding my own way of prescribing,
be not just going by book learning
but really kind of feeling my
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way as and finding what works so
yeah so at first i started using or experimenting
with a multi-layered approach giving more
than one remedy at a time but that partly i think
was due to the fact that the material medica was relatively undeveloped
then there were polycrests and then there were small remedies and what
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i realized eventually was there are there are no small remedies
there are just remedies and then i think
the great discovery was jan sholton's first
book the homeopathy and the minerals and i
remember reading that again like oh my god that's that is just fantastic
his use of the periodic table and understanding the
concept of the period of the table and applying lying that to
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understand remedies that had never been
proved or proven and i found that just so useful and i think then that there
was then a huge push to discover more and more materia medica and then that
meant i found that one remedy could often be all you needed rather than having to sort
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of combine and sort of do a lot of jiggery-pokery.
That one remedy could fit the whole case, or it could be simpler and maybe a
little more elegant as well.
So, Scholten has been a huge influence on my prescribing.
First of all, with the periodic table, and then the development of the plant theory. Okay.
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And the plant theory is, I don't know whether you've... Yeah,
well, I've watched your lecture on CHE, and I know you teach a lot of that as
well. You're an excellent lecturer.
Thank you, thank you. I found, I think it's quite interesting,
because at the same time, Sankaran was developing the sensation method.
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And it's funny, because in a sense, they are both similar.
That sholten's use of numbers to kind
of represent like a catalog cataloging the plant's
kingdom through sort of numbered where the
numbers actually have are not just
theoretical they have a sort of feeling behind them
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so that if we think of the phases
for example in the plant theory
you've got one to seven and whereas
one is it's all about the phases describe
how people fit into a group or don't fit into a group of people of workers of
school children or whatever whatever the group is and whereas phase one is like
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you're right on the outside of the group you're just coming into the group you're
newbie you're naive and then two is kind of feeling you're in the
group but you're feeling vulnerable and you sort of hide yourself away a bit
and then three you're kind of starting to explore and they have a kind of so
you develop a sort of feeling that you can then perceive when you're seeing
a patient you can actually see those kind of feelings come into life i don't
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know if that makes sense they have a kind of there is a kind of sensation.
Aspect to the numbers and i think that's that's
what i found was the most you know if you just think of it as
a kind of mathematical concept then it's very
dry and it can just bamboozle you but if
you sort of tie it into the sort of the feelings that you
have so phase four is very in the middle but a bit rigid and sort of very upright
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whereas phase five is kind of pushing they're enthusiastic they want more from
life they're pushing on so you get this video is so So when I see a patient,
I'm going, where is the energy in this patient?
Are they sort of kind of hiding away or are they pushing forwards?
Are they, you know, what are they trying to do?
What is their energy sort of telling me? And that I found really,
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really helpful and really useful.
That's amazing. And I always, you know, everything is energy at the end of the day.
And sometimes a person walks into your clinic and you just kind of get a vibe from them.
And sometimes it can be a good vibe or a bad vibe. And then one of the things
I'm always asking, like at the beginning, I'll be like, oh, this person is so
grumpy or this person looks like they don't even want to be there.
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Why did they even come and see me? And then I have to stop myself and I'll be like, no, actually.
Tune into how you're feeling or the energy that you're getting from this person.
Why are they feeling that way? Yes, absolutely.
And then finding the remedy. But it's easy just for our normal day-to-day thinking,
oh, this person's grumpy.
But actually, if you just kind of step back a little bit, no,
no, why are they giving off this energy?
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And also, why am I feeling that energy from them? Yes, exactly.
So, yeah, it's a big job in the world.
That is so right. Especially when someone is talking a lot, they've got a lot
of symptoms, a lot of their life, and it's all coming up.
And you can get lost in the words.
It's like a forest of words. And one of the things I've learned to do is to
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feel comfortable with being confused.
Yes. I always say, if you want to be a homeopath, you have to be very comfortable
with being very uncomfortable.
Absolutely. You have to not know what the hell
is going on here like what is this what
is the remedy who knows i really don't know what is going on with this
patient and i try and understand
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before i find a remedy like what
is really going on here i suppose and what is
the energy and what is what am i feeling here you know
and and especially if they're talking a lot i'll take
a step back and just sort of let the words wash
over me and perhaps not pay too much but pay more attention
to the energy that's coming with those words and i find that you know there
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are cases where which are very logical cases which are you know you just go
there are a number of symptoms you repetitize them and bingo it pops the remedy
pops out you know there are those kind of cases but then there are other cases where.
It's almost like the meanings are a little bit hidden or a little bit masked
or there's a lot of noise around it where you have to kind of tune into the
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themes and more of the sort of the feeling of the case.
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So yeah absolutely yeah it's
important to know which kind of case you're dealing with i think
you know there's there's the ones that are kind of more simple and straightforward
often acute cases actually although
sometimes not sometimes you've got to then see where the
acute is actually just the top
layer of a chronic condition underneath and then
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there is yeah there's a more kind of more wacky cases
maybe even or i get a feeling sometimes i don't
know what this remedy is you know so i'm talking a lot
now is that okay keep going i'm on a roll here
i'm on a roll i love it this is the best podcast just let
it out so yeah i
would get to like a certain point i'd go where i
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would see people proving all these kind of weird remedies like you
know these different fishes or these different insects
or and i'd go look you know or even you know energy
vacuum and sort of stuff yeah black hole yeah black
on i go no i just draw the line i
go no that's ridiculous you know come on now that you know when doesn't you
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know not useful this is all just head stuff actually studying with lou klein
was a great opener for me because i realized about allowing yourself to think
outside the box allowing yourself to go
wherever you kind of, where you have ever, you, you felt you need to go without drawing.
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Lines around it to, you know, there's a kind of, to, to block you from.
So I, and I started using sort of comes from quite weird remedies as you,
you know, we talked about, you know, dog shit. Yeah. Let's go there.
I've got that on my list. Let's go there. Talk to us about dog shit.
Dog shit. So, you know, that was, yeah, that was one of those remedies.
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I thought, oh, come on. No, this is ridiculous.
You cannot use dog shit as a remedy.
But it really does. I think it's a very useful remedy for people who,
I used it with a guy that said, my dad just treated me like a piece of shit.
I mean, that was his whole thing. I was treated like shit.
It's a bit like Lackaninum, but more extreme, where people have been literally,
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they've had their spirit crushed.
You think about stepping on dog shit, you kind of crush the shit in the pavement.
Think about that. They've had their spirit crushed and
they almost like they lose sense of of any self-esteem
whatsoever you know it's that it's that kind of thing so it's
to use for it is a useful remedy for that certain cases you
know maybe it doesn't i mean
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i used it to open a case it didn't doesn't fit
the whole case but it did work and it definitely lifted
this guy from feeling like shit to having more
self-esteem so it was it was a good remedy did you tell him
that what it was that you prescribed did you just use the latin
name excretinum them canine them i
i told him so yeah it's fine and he
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was in fact i've used it i used it with another woman and
yeah i mean in fact both people were okay i was surprised i thought that you
might think come on you know this is give me my money back you know yeah taking
the shit yeah but anyway i had another case i was treating uh this was a lovely case of fibromyalgia.
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So this woman was in a lot of pain, but she was on so many different drugs.
And I think probably a lot of people might've thought, I don't want to treat
this case because, especially when they're on so many drugs,
heavy drugs, she'd been taking 50 dihydrocodines every day.
She was addicted to dihydrocodine.
And I started off with things like carcinocin and folliculinum actually,
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but that did sort of limited amount.
But then the remedy that really opened things up That was heroin.
Because you know she had the the addiction thing
was going on and she kept talking about this addictive voice in
her head that was like it was like the devil you know
it's like telling her don't go for the exercise because you know just
lay back like the the devil inside her uh and so she had this addictive side
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and then she mentioned that her aunt had been addicted to heroin and heroin
has a kind of a hero or a hero there's a braveness about them so you always
feel like Like they had this terrible life, but they're being brave and they,
they kind of, they challenged themselves to get out of it.
And there's always this kind of the narcotics anonymous, and they go through
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this, you know, this, this thing to sort of get over what they've been through.
And there, there's this braveness, this heroic side to them.
And this is what she had. So, and heroin was really, really useful.
And the pain went down dramatically from heroin.
Then I went, then I gave her dihydrocodine, which then improved the pain even more.
That was great. that really really improved the pain and then
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the the remedy i came to so i was asking
her about she said i feel feel like i'm sort
of i should be tall like i'm i'm sort of
curled up like i can't stretch and i can't sort of
you know i said well just use your imagination
tell me what that looks like you know she said
well i picked up a wood louse in
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the kitchen the other day and you know the way wood lice are
sort of they sort of curl up when you yeah i
think we call them a slater over over here that's right they've got funny names
yeah we call it woodlouse and she said
that's what i feel like i thought oh how interesting so i i found that actually
in the repertory the remedy is oniscus is called that's woodlouse that's the
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latin it's had a proving and in that in the repertory one of the symptoms was
loves heavy metal and punk music.
Music. Yes.
And I said to this woman, because she's the most mild, timid person you could
ever imagine, very quietly spoken.
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I said, this sounds a bit of a random question.
I said, but how do you feel about punk music or heavy metal? Oh, I love that.
She said, my dad was addicted to punk music. I love it.
She said every time before I do my exercises, I
put my headphones phones on and I crank up the volume to full of punk music
it was a gift and I gave her a nisqa and she did really really well on a nisqa
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so like it was enabled her to stretch properly whereas before it was very painful
she was able to stretch properly so and then we moved on to some other remedies but,
kind of, you know, it's a difficult case, but now she's got to the point where the pain is negligible.
I mean, it's very, very mild. I mean, she still has a little bit,
but she's still on quite a few drugs, but she's happy in where she is.
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You know, I would say probably there's some more development to be done,
but I felt like, you know, at the moment, that's where she wants to be and maybe
she'll come back at some point in the future. But yeah, we got her to where she wanted to be.
So. I sometimes think that our clients must think that we're clairvoyant or
something like that, because, you know, sometimes when you suspect a certain
remedy and then, you know, while my client's busy talking, I'll quickly look
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it up in the Materia Medica and see if there's like an unusual symptom.
So you'll ask them like a confirmatory question, you know, be like punk music.
How do you know that? Yeah.
How do you get, how do you, and it's true. And I always, if something pops into
my mind, rather than dismissing, I will often ask you, I'll just go,
we'll just go there, see where it leads.
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And it's often very profitable.
Absolutely. In our international homeopathic Facebook group where you're in,
you always blow my mind with the interesting cases that you put on there.
And you've had cases there of aspartame used for a Parkinson's case.
And I love the remedy Paracanthus. Yes, that one.
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Yeah, the Dory. Yeah, the Dory fish in Finding Nemo and seals milk.
I mean, I always wonder who went to go find that seal to milk it to make the
remedy from. Yeah, I know. I know.
Actually, I was wondering, who was the homeopath that got the heroin to make the remedy from?
Well, that was Janet Snowden did that proving, actually. Give her credit for
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that. Did anyone ask her how she obtained it? Yeah.
No, but I suppose it's, you know,
I mean, you know, any pharmacy could probably get hold of it, I guess.
Seals milk. That was a really, that's a really interesting case.
This woman had problems in relationships.
She basically was abused when she was very young. And I think since then she didn't trust anyone.
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And she used to have dreams of dark water and like tsunamis and,
but yeah, a lot of deep water.
Water and she always wanted
to she was always ready to make a
way to the door to the relationship to lead the relationship because
she you know anytime there was a problem came up with the partner she would
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run for the exit you know and she felt she was never so trust you know trust
someone and i suppose i put two and two together so the thing with the sort
of the dark water and And she had a fear of, I think, fear of sharks.
So this kind of feeling like something could come up and grab you and drag you down into the water.
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And then there was something a bit, you know, seals are very cute.
There's a cuteness about them. And there was something kind of cute about her.
And there was stuff around mothering and the milk aspect, the sort of lack aspect was there.
So I just kind of put two and two together and came to seal's milk.
And, wow, it totally changed her life. I mean, she was so much better in relationships.
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She was able to sort of trust and to not run for the door when some problem came up.
And yeah, it really, really transformed her life. She said, I feel happy.
I've never felt like this happy before, like that sort of thing.
So it was really great. So worth thinking outside the box sometimes.
Yeah. And how on earth did you come to prescribe the homeopathic remedy made
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from aspartame for Parkinson's? Well, first of all, Lou Klein had done a lot
of work on aspartame and for autism, actually.
I think he had an autism case where he used aspartame.
The woman that I treated with Parkinson's talked about, she had some metabolic
disease called trimethylaminuria. or something, I can't remember.
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It's something like that. It's where the body produces very stinky fish-smelling sweat.
It's like a metabolic problem with the body where it's producing this weird
sweat that smells like fish.
That got me thinking there's something metabolic and then,
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I don't know, something in my mind was making a connection with phenylalanine.
And then I found that aspartame and phenylalanine are kind of close.
There is one as a precursor of the other. And then I saw that it actually is
useful in the kind of Parkinson's type symptom.
And so that's how I got to it and gave it. And it's been really,
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really good. In fact, I've switched now to aspartic acid.
So I've just experimented. I
was using aspartame, and then she kind of aggravated a little bit on that.
So I switched to aspartic acid, which is the sort of more purer form,
I suppose, of aspartame.
And so far, she's doing really well.
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She's not perfect, but a lot of all the numbness, the tingling,
the walking is much better. She feels happier in herself.
She's sleeping better. She's still under treatment, but yeah,
she seems to be doing well.
Amazing. Now for the homeopaths listening, Jonathan has, if you want to learn
more about these interesting remedies of his, and you know, you've got the,
there's the plant series as well, although I think that's through CHE that you
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do that, or do you have your own? Well, I did it.
Yeah. I did my own webinars as well on that. So you can either get this through
CHE or on my website, jonathanstylitt.com.
You can find all my webinars are there.
They're for sale, but they're at a reasonable price.
They're incredibly well priced. It's so well-priced. And you've got such,
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it's such a great variety of courses.
And I know you've done Death's Head Hawk Moth has been in there as well,
which is a remedy that I have used a lot the last few months.
Great, isn't it? Yes. It's a really good remedy.
Really good. The Butterfly's Moths are really interesting. Oh, I love them.
Yeah. Yeah, I've used it a few times. So any of the practitioners listening,
if you want to do some of Jonathan's courses, go check out his website,
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jonathanstalik.com. and then you can just purchase them as you go.
And also subscribe to his newsletter.
I've been subscribed to it for quite a while and you regularly send out emails
with new courses as you add them.
So that's a really nice way to either watch it live or then you can watch the
recording afterwards, which is great for us. It's always a recording.
Yeah, different time zones. Yeah.
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Now, Jonathan, have you got any advice for new practitioners starting out?
With 35 years experience behind you, you must be doing something right.
Right. So any words of advice for the newbies out there?
I think the word that comes to my mind is persistence, really,
because, you know, you're going to have ups and downs.
I mean, there have been times, you know, there are times, there's still times
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when I'm just thinking, look, I can't do this anymore.
You know, I've had a difficult patient or sometimes you get a cluster of them,
a few patients that are kind of difficult, not getting anywhere.
You know, sometimes you've just got to sort of just...
Take the rough with the smooth basically you've got to i think you've
got to be a little bit hard tough skinned actually you
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know homeopaths tend to be very sensitive people and
often maybe get even get quite emotionally involved
with their patients and i found i
do my best work when i'm really not emotionally involved
when i just kind of look at it as a i just
look at it as i mean i I have fun spotting the patterns and then translating
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those patterns into remedies and just making it into more of a kind of conceptual
thing rather than get too involved with people's really getting down in with
them and into their emotions.
I find it's just better to keep a slight distance, but that's just the way I work.
I mean, everyone has their own style. style yeah
persistence i think and just developing probably a little bit of
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a tougher skin so that you can sort of weather those difficult
times as well and then just keep learning and don't close yourself off to you
know keep learning from other practitioners keep reading cases learn from your
peers just keep reading reading reading different cases learn from everyone
else that has been just Just like,
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you know, fantastic and makes it so rich and interesting.
Absolutely. Now, Jonathan, I often end up the podcast asking people what their
three favorite homeopathic remedies are and why.
But I think for you, can I ask you three of the strangest remedies that our
listeners probably wouldn't have heard of?
I mean, probably the dog shit is a pretty, pretty weird remedy.
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And the woodlouse is a pretty weird remedy.
And I'm not sure I can think. No, no, that's fine. I just threw that in there.
But I have to tell you that my parents-in-law who already think I'm slightly crazy.
I love them to bits. I really do. But they hear this evening and I said to them,
okay, guys, I'm going to go chat with a guy about remedies made from AIDS and
dog shit now. See you later.
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So I don't think I've helped my case with them. But anyway. I've got friends.
And yeah, I talk, I sometimes are candid about, yeah, using things like dog
shit and they just laugh.
I mean, they just laugh at me, but then they hear, yeah, but the person got
better and you know, then they happen to think, well, maybe I need to,
you know, maybe not laugh so much.
I mean, maybe this is kind of interesting. Check it out.
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Well, it's been a blast having you on. I haven't laughed that much in a little
while and thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us.
And yeah, I really appreciate it. And please keep doing your webinars because
they're super fun. And it's like you said, we have to keep on learning.
This is such a great opportunity for the homeopaths out there to get exposed
to remedies they might never have thought of.
And so often when I do these lectures, you can be sure that week somebody's
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going to walk in and you're going to need a remedy from that lecture that you've just learned about.
And I don't know if you're making your mind into it or if it's the universe
or if it's coincidence, but I've found that so often.
And that's why I love always learning from other practitioners because you can
be sure there's going to be a client walking in and it's going to need that
remedy that you've just learned about. out that's absolutely true isn't it yeah
well enjoy the rest of your day and thank you so much thank you jenny it's been
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lovely to meet you see you bye.
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So today we speak with homeopath Jonathan Stalick, who has been practicing homeopathy for over 35 years.
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He's helped thousands of patients to better health and happiness and he's lectured
on homeopathy to professionals all over the world.
If you're a homeopath listening, be sure to check out Jonathan's lectures on
his website, jonathanstalik.com, or check the show notes for the link.
He is an incredible lecturer, and I know you're going to love learning from him.
He's always doing lectures on new and interesting remedies that you've probably
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never heard of and presenting cases from his clinic, and it will really challenge
you and expand your thinking and grow you as a homeopath. path.
So quick warning, if you have little kitties listening to this episode with
you, the word S-H-I-T is used several times in this episode.
So you may want to skip this one for a time when they are not around you,
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but you are going to love this episode. It was so fun to do.
And yeah, Jonathan is really a great character. Enjoy the episode.
Welcome to the Homeopathy Hangout, where we discuss all things homeopathy from
around the And now my mum and your host, Eugenie Kruger.
Hello homies and a very warm welcome to Homeopathy Hangout.
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Today we get to chat with a lovely Jonathan Stalick all the way from England. Welcome Jonathan.
Hey Eugenie. Is it Eugenie? Yeah, Eugenie.
Eugenie. Wow. If you want to go the French, it's actually Eugenie,
but in Australia, yes, in Australia, they bastardize everyone's name.
So here I am, Eugenie. Eugenie.
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Exactly. Well, it's so lovely to have you on today. I've had a few of your buddies
on, including the lovely Hilary Dorian.
So it's just wonderful to have you on today as well. I'm so excited.
Can you tell us, Jonathan, you've been practicing for over 35 years,
but how were you first introduced to homeopathy?
So homeopathy was just a word that my mom, I think my mom had a friend that
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went to a homeopath and so it was just a word.
And I went through a pretty difficult time.
This was back in the 80s, and I was getting anxiety attacks.
I'd come out of college, and my sister had died.
There were a few things that were really bothering me, but I was all bottled
up like a good growing guy.
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We just bottled everything up and was getting panic attacks.
I just thought I didn't want to go down the route of conventional
antidepressants and anti-anxiety pills and
so i just thought oh well try homeopathy it's a word you
know natural and i went to see a nice gentleman nice
indian gentleman in in london and the remedies seem to work and then i started
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reading about it and it was like one of those moments like one of those seminal
moments that's a good word seminal
moments when you think it just hit me between the eyes oh my my God.
This is, I've got to know more about this.
This is just, it's like something I'd never really, you know,
there's a whole world, homeopathy is like a world that I'd never come across before, really.
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And it just sort of just struck me that I've got to find out more about this
and was kind of hooked from that point on and started just treating friends
and family with sort of first aid stuff and started seeing results.
And then just thought, I was at the time, I was a professional musician.
Musician so I was the cellist and was you
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know playing and teaching and so
then it was a big decision whether to switch
you know I just had this feeling that homeopathy was supposed to
be part of my life and so I switched I actually went
to college in London I found a homeopathy
college and yeah then that was and then sort of gradually gave up the music
and went over to homeopathy so that was the way it started amazing do you still
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do you still play cello i do it's a beautiful instrument i love it it is yeah
it is although i'm actually trying to set it for the moment.
It's funny actually i just before covid struck i hadn't had the cello for about
eight years and and i just had this feeling that i wanted to reconnect with
that i just felt really strong about it so i,
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I had some money and I thought I'm going to, I'll buy a cello. And I did.
And then COVID came on. I was so pleased that I had something to really focus
on, you know, in those times when during lockdown, it was a real bit.
So I thought, wow, I must've had some kind of instinct about it.
So yeah, but yeah, cello is great.
Yeah. Music is so good for everything. It really is. I played piano for a few
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years and yeah, it's just, I can't imagine not having some sort of musical instrument
to, to help you along. long.
Now, in the 1990s, you spent a few years treating hundreds of patients with
HIV-AIDS, and you wrote a book about it called AIDS, The Homeopathic Challenge.
You've got to tell us more. So, okay, so back in 1990, AIDS,
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you've got to realize at that time, or you probably maybe remember,
or you maybe don't, I don't know.
But at that time, it was probably like COVID was in the early days,
you know, people were terrified of it.
And even in the homeopathic community, like very few people really wanted to
touch it because it seemed such a massive undertaking.
I'd made connection with a homeopath called Mike Strange, who was practicing in South London.
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And I worked with him and he was seeing a lot of HIV and AIDS patients.
So there was that connection. And then a friend of mine was going to visit one
of the AIDS, HIV and AIDS centers for people with HIV in London.
And she said, why don't you come along?
And at the time I'd kind of given up homeopathy for a little while.
I burnt out a little bit and I was doing other stuff.
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So I thought, well, you know, it wouldn't hurt.
I thought I'll go along, have a look. It'd be quite interesting. I'm sure.
Went along and I was kind of said, could I, I thought I could do a talk on homeopathy.
That's all I was going to do. I didn't want to see any patients. I would,
but I could give a talk on it so i gave the talk this talk they they were very
pleased to welcome me to do this talk and i did that and they loved it and the
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guy who ran the center said look would you come and work here as a homeopath
and i went no no thank you very much you know that's too much.
And he said look come on just try it out for a few weeks see how you get on
you know there's no obligation if you don't like it then no problem and then
i just kind of thought okay okay, just jump in the deep end and started seeing
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some really good results.
And I was like, so I was really encouraged and inspired and just thought,
oh yeah, this is really interesting. Yeah, that's how it started.
And so I worked at two centers in London. One of them, which is the main center
called London Lighthouse,
which was pretty pioneering at the time. I mean, it was a beautiful building
in West London and all the facilities had a beautiful lecture hall and a restaurant or cafe and a,
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not a hospice, but a residential unit on the top floor where people could go and rest.
And they had nurses, full-time nurses, and they had all the alternative therapies.
So they had massage, they had hypnotherapy.
It was a really kind of great opportunity for sort of alternative medicine
to come into its own and homeopathy they
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wanted a homeopath and i was there at the right time and
i was recruited to work i worked there like
a whole day one day a week and they even they bought me a whole pharmacy of
remedies like i had a a cupboard you know i i could just they had loads of money
at the time and i just was able to buy any remedy i wanted so i had a huge yeah
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pharmacy which was fantastic and yeah and we're seeing you know, and I saw about 500,
over 500 patients with HIV and AIDS.
And wow, it was kind of, it was really interesting. It was a way of really understanding.
I mean, I think the public had a perception of HIV and AIDS through media,
but this was a way to really understand the battlefront, if you like,
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to see what is, what are these people really going through and what is really
going on? And it sort of taught me a lot.
I'll give you an example of something thing it told me. For example,
I said to one guy who I was treating, I said, look, okay, so supposing I was
able to give you a remedy or a tablet that could completely get rid of the HIV,
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make you completely without HIV.
How would you feel about that? And I thought that's a fairly sort of straightforward
question. You think he might jump at the charts.
No, he said, I'm not sure. He said, because, you know, I've got my life all
set up. I've got my friends, I'm getting housing benefit.
I'm getting an income from the government.
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So there was some, there were some things that, you know, it wasn't all,
these people weren't all victims
of some terrible disease. There was something else going on as well.
So anyway, there were some various things like that, that it's taught me as
well, but I did have, you know, I had some really good results.
I'll tell you my first patient I saw, my first HIV patient, because this sticks in my mind.
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So he came along and he
had this sort of i'm assuming my book but he
had like he'd had everything he'd had
bowel cancer he'd had loads of
stds so gonorrhea syphilis he had kidney failure he'd had i don't know i can't
remember everything but he'd had every been vaccinated to the hilt and then
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he had an operation for bowel cancer and when he turned up to see me he couldn't
he He could hardly sit down because they'd operated through his rectum,
and had cut the rectum, and he was in terrible pain,
you know, real, really pain.
And they'd given him like a couple of months to live, basically.
He was, you know, he'd lost a lot of weight.
So I just kind of thought, okay, and I gave him a number of remedies.
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And I was, at the time, I was giving multiple remedies.
I felt that at the time that AIDS and HIV needed perhaps a different approach.
And I would give people you know maybe a
series of no different nozodes for example I would identify different layers
and sort of treat each layer but all together not sure I would do it in the
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same way now but at the time it just felt right and so I gave him a number of
remedies and especially the I think the remedy that really helped was staph
sagrea interestingly and.
The pain just like disappeared. His T-cell count rocketed.
After a few weeks, he was well enough to travel the world. He wanted to travel the world.
Wow. And he started traveling. And then the punchline is that he got murdered in Mallorca. Yeah.
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I wonder what this guy did in his past life. I know.
I mean, you know, and I hadn't given him Cipollino. That was probably the missing remedy, maybe.
Yeah. I don't think that would have stopped the murder, though.
He'd gone out in style. And he was able to travel the world and he was well
enough and felt great and his energy had come back.
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So it was a success in that sense.
That's amazing. And one remedy we've never talked about on this podcast is the remedy made from AIDS.
And I have actually embarrassingly never prescribed this.
I almost prescribed a little while ago, but the patient refused to take the
remedy, even though I explained there's none of the actual aids in there.
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But I wonder, Jonathan, can you tell our listeners a little bit about the remedy aids?
And did you ever use that in any of your prescriptions for your AIDS client?
Well, then I'm equally embarrassed because I know I have not actually used the AIDS no-so.
At least I've not used it where I've had a kind of definite result, put it that way.
I'm not a real expert on the AIDS no-so, but I do know that it has to do with feeling
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like the boundaries of are very
very tenuous and so boundaries either people
feel get abused regularly or they
are receptive to lots of infections but there's a kind of like it's a they're
porous yeah porosity and you know that that seems to be the sort of the main
and that's a lot of a feeling of sort of abuse like a heavily abused person
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well maybe i should use it more. Yeah.
Roger Savage helped me on a case of a boy who had a steroid withdrawal symptoms.
And I don't know if you've ever seen this. It's actually a disease.
It's got its own clinical name of steroid withdrawal. Something that's also
called red skin, something like that.
And this, this poor boy looked like he was a leper. Like his skin was just so
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terrible. He couldn't even wear any clothes.
He was just like sitting in a bathtub all day long, sitting there all naked.
And Roger said to use the AIDS no zone, but yeah, I couldn't,
but the client just wouldn't take it but I thought that well I'd tell you another
remedy that you could use for that situation so where the skin has become the
skin has become you mean really thin and papery yeah and also there was just
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it just sores everywhere his whole body was covered in sores.
Yeah lecithin is the remedy ah okay i've
only used that i can't remember yeah i can't remember where
i read that but that is the remedy for yeah withdrawal
of steroids where the steroids have really affected the
skin in that way so thank you so much
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that is amazing i'm always learning new remedies
on this podcast myself people always messaging saying oh i learned
this and this i'm like well i learned even more than you so i
love it and can you tell us maybe a little bit about the book
AIDS the homeopathic challenge so what could what will
people find in this book yeah I wanted to make
it like it's not like a textbook or a manual but more just my experiences really
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you know good and bad and some of my perhaps my insights I'd garnered from working
with the HIV and AIDS thing so some of the sort of some of the more maybe some of the psychological
things about patients who are in that situation and also some of the pitfalls
of practicing because I'm not burnt out like two or three times while I was, you know,
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when you've got, when you're working and all day long, you've got people coming
in who think they're going to die.
It's, it's quite a sort of, it's quite a big deal or at least it was at the beginning.
I mean, I learned, I toughened up and that's one thing it taught me to toughen up a lot,
but there's the the pitfalls of practice and
then there's a lot of materia medica that i learned and also strategies i
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mean i i was doing a lot of layer prescribing and multiple
remedy prescribing so i wanted to sort of introduce that even though at the
time i mean it was very taboo you know i mean i had great difficulty with getting
my society of homeopaths registration and i had a terrible terrible review of
the book in the Society Journal.
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I mean, it was really, it was not just critical, it was kind of.
Critical of me as a person i mean it was really sort of like
saying that i wasn't fit kind of fit to practice kind of
thing yet here you are 35 years later 35 years
later well you know
and then but then jan sholton wrote me a nice review so
it kind of sort of balanced it out so hopefully it's
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a good read actually i mean there's some nice cases in there you know
showing how how i was practicing and it is like a
historical document in a way it's not what i would
probably do now in some ways i think i you
know i've changed my my thinking and challenge changed away but at the time
it was just what i was doing and it kind of worked in many cases so well maybe
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we can talk about that next if you don't mind is how has your your methodology
and your prescribing and things changed over the past three decades yeah so
i think when i was at college,
we were taught, you know, really a relatively small number of remedies and a
sort of classical approach.
And I remember coming out of college and one of my fellow students had started
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practicing in this kind of multi-layered way and she was getting fantastic results.
And so that sort of opened my mind to,
you know, really kind of finding my own way of prescribing,
be not just going by book learning
but really kind of feeling my
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way as and finding what works so
yeah so at first i started using or experimenting
with a multi-layered approach giving more
than one remedy at a time but that partly i think
was due to the fact that the material medica was relatively undeveloped
then there were polycrests and then there were small remedies and what
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i realized eventually was there are there are no small remedies
there are just remedies and then i think
the great discovery was jan sholton's first
book the homeopathy and the minerals and i
remember reading that again like oh my god that's that is just fantastic
his use of the periodic table and understanding the
concept of the period of the table and applying lying that to
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understand remedies that had never been
proved or proven and i found that just so useful and i think then that there
was then a huge push to discover more and more materia medica and then that
meant i found that one remedy could often be all you needed rather than having to sort
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of combine and sort of do a lot of jiggery-pokery.
That one remedy could fit the whole case, or it could be simpler and maybe a
little more elegant as well.
So, Scholten has been a huge influence on my prescribing.
First of all, with the periodic table, and then the development of the plant theory. Okay.
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And the plant theory is, I don't know whether you've... Yeah,
well, I've watched your lecture on CHE, and I know you teach a lot of that as
well. You're an excellent lecturer.
Thank you, thank you. I found, I think it's quite interesting,
because at the same time, Sankaran was developing the sensation method.
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And it's funny, because in a sense, they are both similar.
That sholten's use of numbers to kind
of represent like a catalog cataloging the plant's
kingdom through sort of numbered where the
numbers actually have are not just
theoretical they have a sort of feeling behind them
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so that if we think of the phases
for example in the plant theory
you've got one to seven and whereas
one is it's all about the phases describe
how people fit into a group or don't fit into a group of people of workers of
school children or whatever whatever the group is and whereas phase one is like
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you're right on the outside of the group you're just coming into the group you're
newbie you're naive and then two is kind of feeling you're in the
group but you're feeling vulnerable and you sort of hide yourself away a bit
and then three you're kind of starting to explore and they have a kind of so
you develop a sort of feeling that you can then perceive when you're seeing
a patient you can actually see those kind of feelings come into life i don't
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know if that makes sense they have a kind of there is a kind of sensation.
Aspect to the numbers and i think that's that's
what i found was the most you know if you just think of it as
a kind of mathematical concept then it's very
dry and it can just bamboozle you but if
you sort of tie it into the sort of the feelings that you
have so phase four is very in the middle but a bit rigid and sort of very upright
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whereas phase five is kind of pushing they're enthusiastic they want more from
life they're pushing on so you get this video is so So when I see a patient,
I'm going, where is the energy in this patient?
Are they sort of kind of hiding away or are they pushing forwards?
Are they, you know, what are they trying to do?
What is their energy sort of telling me? And that I found really,
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really helpful and really useful.
That's amazing. And I always, you know, everything is energy at the end of the day.
And sometimes a person walks into your clinic and you just kind of get a vibe from them.
And sometimes it can be a good vibe or a bad vibe. And then one of the things
I'm always asking, like at the beginning, I'll be like, oh, this person is so
grumpy or this person looks like they don't even want to be there.
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Why did they even come and see me? And then I have to stop myself and I'll be like, no, actually.
Tune into how you're feeling or the energy that you're getting from this person.
Why are they feeling that way? Yes, absolutely.
And then finding the remedy. But it's easy just for our normal day-to-day thinking,
oh, this person's grumpy.
But actually, if you just kind of step back a little bit, no,
no, why are they giving off this energy?
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And also, why am I feeling that energy from them? Yes, exactly.
So, yeah, it's a big job in the world.
That is so right. Especially when someone is talking a lot, they've got a lot
of symptoms, a lot of their life, and it's all coming up.
And you can get lost in the words.
It's like a forest of words. And one of the things I've learned to do is to
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feel comfortable with being confused.
Yes. I always say, if you want to be a homeopath, you have to be very comfortable
with being very uncomfortable.
Absolutely. You have to not know what the hell
is going on here like what is this what
is the remedy who knows i really don't know what is going on with this
patient and i try and understand
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before i find a remedy like what
is really going on here i suppose and what is
the energy and what is what am i feeling here you know
and and especially if they're talking a lot i'll take
a step back and just sort of let the words wash
over me and perhaps not pay too much but pay more attention
to the energy that's coming with those words and i find that you know there
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are cases where which are very logical cases which are you know you just go
there are a number of symptoms you repetitize them and bingo it pops the remedy
pops out you know there are those kind of cases but then there are other cases where.
It's almost like the meanings are a little bit hidden or a little bit masked
or there's a lot of noise around it where you have to kind of tune into the
(23:23):
themes and more of the sort of the feeling of the case.
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So yeah absolutely yeah it's
important to know which kind of case you're dealing with i think
you know there's there's the ones that are kind of more simple and straightforward
often acute cases actually although
sometimes not sometimes you've got to then see where the
acute is actually just the top
layer of a chronic condition underneath and then
(24:30):
there is yeah there's a more kind of more wacky cases
maybe even or i get a feeling sometimes i don't
know what this remedy is you know so i'm talking a lot
now is that okay keep going i'm on a roll here
i'm on a roll i love it this is the best podcast just let
it out so yeah i
would get to like a certain point i'd go where i
(24:51):
would see people proving all these kind of weird remedies like you
know these different fishes or these different insects
or and i'd go look you know or even you know energy
vacuum and sort of stuff yeah black hole yeah black
on i go no i just draw the line i
go no that's ridiculous you know come on now that you know when doesn't you
(25:13):
know not useful this is all just head stuff actually studying with lou klein
was a great opener for me because i realized about allowing yourself to think
outside the box allowing yourself to go
wherever you kind of, where you have ever, you, you felt you need to go without drawing.
(25:33):
Lines around it to, you know, there's a kind of, to, to block you from.
So I, and I started using sort of comes from quite weird remedies as you,
you know, we talked about, you know, dog shit. Yeah. Let's go there.
I've got that on my list. Let's go there. Talk to us about dog shit.
Dog shit. So, you know, that was, yeah, that was one of those remedies.
(25:53):
I thought, oh, come on. No, this is ridiculous.
You cannot use dog shit as a remedy.
But it really does. I think it's a very useful remedy for people who,
I used it with a guy that said, my dad just treated me like a piece of shit.
I mean, that was his whole thing. I was treated like shit.
It's a bit like Lackaninum, but more extreme, where people have been literally,
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they've had their spirit crushed.
You think about stepping on dog shit, you kind of crush the shit in the pavement.
Think about that. They've had their spirit crushed and
they almost like they lose sense of of any self-esteem
whatsoever you know it's that it's that kind of thing so it's
to use for it is a useful remedy for that certain cases you
know maybe it doesn't i mean
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i used it to open a case it didn't doesn't fit
the whole case but it did work and it definitely lifted
this guy from feeling like shit to having more
self-esteem so it was it was a good remedy did you tell him
that what it was that you prescribed did you just use the latin
name excretinum them canine them i
i told him so yeah it's fine and he
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was in fact i've used it i used it with another woman and
yeah i mean in fact both people were okay i was surprised i thought that you
might think come on you know this is give me my money back you know yeah taking
the shit yeah but anyway i had another case i was treating uh this was a lovely case of fibromyalgia.
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So this woman was in a lot of pain, but she was on so many different drugs.
And I think probably a lot of people might've thought, I don't want to treat
this case because, especially when they're on so many drugs,
heavy drugs, she'd been taking 50 dihydrocodines every day.
She was addicted to dihydrocodine.
And I started off with things like carcinocin and folliculinum actually,
(27:48):
but that did sort of limited amount.
But then the remedy that really opened things up That was heroin.
Because you know she had the the addiction thing
was going on and she kept talking about this addictive voice in
her head that was like it was like the devil you know
it's like telling her don't go for the exercise because you know just
lay back like the the devil inside her uh and so she had this addictive side
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and then she mentioned that her aunt had been addicted to heroin and heroin
has a kind of a hero or a hero there's a braveness about them so you always
feel like Like they had this terrible life, but they're being brave and they,
they kind of, they challenged themselves to get out of it.
And there's always this kind of the narcotics anonymous, and they go through
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this, you know, this, this thing to sort of get over what they've been through.
And there, there's this braveness, this heroic side to them.
And this is what she had. So, and heroin was really, really useful.
And the pain went down dramatically from heroin.
Then I went, then I gave her dihydrocodine, which then improved the pain even more.
That was great. that really really improved the pain and then
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the the remedy i came to so i was asking
her about she said i feel feel like i'm sort
of i should be tall like i'm i'm sort of
curled up like i can't stretch and i can't sort of
you know i said well just use your imagination
tell me what that looks like you know she said
well i picked up a wood louse in
(29:13):
the kitchen the other day and you know the way wood lice are
sort of they sort of curl up when you yeah i
think we call them a slater over over here that's right they've got funny names
yeah we call it woodlouse and she said
that's what i feel like i thought oh how interesting so i i found that actually
in the repertory the remedy is oniscus is called that's woodlouse that's the
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latin it's had a proving and in that in the repertory one of the symptoms was
loves heavy metal and punk music.
Music. Yes.
And I said to this woman, because she's the most mild, timid person you could
ever imagine, very quietly spoken.
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I said, this sounds a bit of a random question.
I said, but how do you feel about punk music or heavy metal? Oh, I love that.
She said, my dad was addicted to punk music. I love it.
She said every time before I do my exercises, I
put my headphones phones on and I crank up the volume to full of punk music
it was a gift and I gave her a nisqa and she did really really well on a nisqa
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so like it was enabled her to stretch properly whereas before it was very painful
she was able to stretch properly so and then we moved on to some other remedies but,
kind of, you know, it's a difficult case, but now she's got to the point where the pain is negligible.
I mean, it's very, very mild. I mean, she still has a little bit,
but she's still on quite a few drugs, but she's happy in where she is.
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You know, I would say probably there's some more development to be done,
but I felt like, you know, at the moment, that's where she wants to be and maybe
she'll come back at some point in the future. But yeah, we got her to where she wanted to be.
So. I sometimes think that our clients must think that we're clairvoyant or
something like that, because, you know, sometimes when you suspect a certain
remedy and then, you know, while my client's busy talking, I'll quickly look
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it up in the Materia Medica and see if there's like an unusual symptom.
So you'll ask them like a confirmatory question, you know, be like punk music.
How do you know that? Yeah.
How do you get, how do you, and it's true. And I always, if something pops into
my mind, rather than dismissing, I will often ask you, I'll just go,
we'll just go there, see where it leads.
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And it's often very profitable.
Absolutely. In our international homeopathic Facebook group where you're in,
you always blow my mind with the interesting cases that you put on there.
And you've had cases there of aspartame used for a Parkinson's case.
And I love the remedy Paracanthus. Yes, that one.
(31:52):
Yeah, the Dory. Yeah, the Dory fish in Finding Nemo and seals milk.
I mean, I always wonder who went to go find that seal to milk it to make the
remedy from. Yeah, I know. I know.
Actually, I was wondering, who was the homeopath that got the heroin to make the remedy from?
Well, that was Janet Snowden did that proving, actually. Give her credit for
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that. Did anyone ask her how she obtained it? Yeah.
No, but I suppose it's, you know,
I mean, you know, any pharmacy could probably get hold of it, I guess.
Seals milk. That was a really, that's a really interesting case.
This woman had problems in relationships.
She basically was abused when she was very young. And I think since then she didn't trust anyone.
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And she used to have dreams of dark water and like tsunamis and,
but yeah, a lot of deep water.
Water and she always wanted
to she was always ready to make a
way to the door to the relationship to lead the relationship because
she you know anytime there was a problem came up with the partner she would
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run for the exit you know and she felt she was never so trust you know trust
someone and i suppose i put two and two together so the thing with the sort
of the dark water and And she had a fear of, I think, fear of sharks.
So this kind of feeling like something could come up and grab you and drag you down into the water.
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And then there was something a bit, you know, seals are very cute.
There's a cuteness about them. And there was something kind of cute about her.
And there was stuff around mothering and the milk aspect, the sort of lack aspect was there.
So I just kind of put two and two together and came to seal's milk.
And, wow, it totally changed her life. I mean, she was so much better in relationships.
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She was able to sort of trust and to not run for the door when some problem came up.
And yeah, it really, really transformed her life. She said, I feel happy.
I've never felt like this happy before, like that sort of thing.
So it was really great. So worth thinking outside the box sometimes.
Yeah. And how on earth did you come to prescribe the homeopathic remedy made
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from aspartame for Parkinson's? Well, first of all, Lou Klein had done a lot
of work on aspartame and for autism, actually.
I think he had an autism case where he used aspartame.
The woman that I treated with Parkinson's talked about, she had some metabolic
disease called trimethylaminuria. or something, I can't remember.
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It's something like that. It's where the body produces very stinky fish-smelling sweat.
It's like a metabolic problem with the body where it's producing this weird
sweat that smells like fish.
That got me thinking there's something metabolic and then,
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I don't know, something in my mind was making a connection with phenylalanine.
And then I found that aspartame and phenylalanine are kind of close.
There is one as a precursor of the other. And then I saw that it actually is
useful in the kind of Parkinson's type symptom.
And so that's how I got to it and gave it. And it's been really,
(35:13):
really good. In fact, I've switched now to aspartic acid.
So I've just experimented. I
was using aspartame, and then she kind of aggravated a little bit on that.
So I switched to aspartic acid, which is the sort of more purer form,
I suppose, of aspartame.
And so far, she's doing really well.
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She's not perfect, but a lot of all the numbness, the tingling,
the walking is much better. She feels happier in herself.
She's sleeping better. She's still under treatment, but yeah,
she seems to be doing well.
Amazing. Now for the homeopaths listening, Jonathan has, if you want to learn
more about these interesting remedies of his, and you know, you've got the,
there's the plant series as well, although I think that's through CHE that you
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do that, or do you have your own? Well, I did it.
Yeah. I did my own webinars as well on that. So you can either get this through
CHE or on my website, jonathanstylitt.com.
You can find all my webinars are there.
They're for sale, but they're at a reasonable price.
They're incredibly well priced. It's so well-priced. And you've got such,
(36:18):
it's such a great variety of courses.
And I know you've done Death's Head Hawk Moth has been in there as well,
which is a remedy that I have used a lot the last few months.
Great, isn't it? Yes. It's a really good remedy.
Really good. The Butterfly's Moths are really interesting. Oh, I love them.
Yeah. Yeah, I've used it a few times. So any of the practitioners listening,
if you want to do some of Jonathan's courses, go check out his website,
(36:42):
jonathanstalik.com. and then you can just purchase them as you go.
And also subscribe to his newsletter.
I've been subscribed to it for quite a while and you regularly send out emails
with new courses as you add them.
So that's a really nice way to either watch it live or then you can watch the
recording afterwards, which is great for us. It's always a recording.
Yeah, different time zones. Yeah.
(37:03):
Now, Jonathan, have you got any advice for new practitioners starting out?
With 35 years experience behind you, you must be doing something right.
Right. So any words of advice for the newbies out there?
I think the word that comes to my mind is persistence, really,
because, you know, you're going to have ups and downs.
I mean, there have been times, you know, there are times, there's still times
(37:23):
when I'm just thinking, look, I can't do this anymore.
You know, I've had a difficult patient or sometimes you get a cluster of them,
a few patients that are kind of difficult, not getting anywhere.
You know, sometimes you've just got to sort of just...
Take the rough with the smooth basically you've got to i think you've
got to be a little bit hard tough skinned actually you
(37:44):
know homeopaths tend to be very sensitive people and
often maybe get even get quite emotionally involved
with their patients and i found i
do my best work when i'm really not emotionally involved
when i just kind of look at it as a i just
look at it as i mean i I have fun spotting the patterns and then translating
(38:07):
those patterns into remedies and just making it into more of a kind of conceptual
thing rather than get too involved with people's really getting down in with
them and into their emotions.
I find it's just better to keep a slight distance, but that's just the way I work.
I mean, everyone has their own style. style yeah
persistence i think and just developing probably a little bit of
(38:28):
a tougher skin so that you can sort of weather those difficult
times as well and then just keep learning and don't close yourself off to you
know keep learning from other practitioners keep reading cases learn from your
peers just keep reading reading reading different cases learn from everyone
else that has been just Just like,
(38:49):
you know, fantastic and makes it so rich and interesting.
Absolutely. Now, Jonathan, I often end up the podcast asking people what their
three favorite homeopathic remedies are and why.
But I think for you, can I ask you three of the strangest remedies that our
listeners probably wouldn't have heard of?
I mean, probably the dog shit is a pretty, pretty weird remedy.
(39:10):
And the woodlouse is a pretty weird remedy.
And I'm not sure I can think. No, no, that's fine. I just threw that in there.
But I have to tell you that my parents-in-law who already think I'm slightly crazy.
I love them to bits. I really do. But they hear this evening and I said to them,
okay, guys, I'm going to go chat with a guy about remedies made from AIDS and
dog shit now. See you later.
(39:30):
So I don't think I've helped my case with them. But anyway. I've got friends.
And yeah, I talk, I sometimes are candid about, yeah, using things like dog
shit and they just laugh.
I mean, they just laugh at me, but then they hear, yeah, but the person got
better and you know, then they happen to think, well, maybe I need to,
you know, maybe not laugh so much.
I mean, maybe this is kind of interesting. Check it out.
(39:53):
Well, it's been a blast having you on. I haven't laughed that much in a little
while and thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us.
And yeah, I really appreciate it. And please keep doing your webinars because
they're super fun. And it's like you said, we have to keep on learning.
This is such a great opportunity for the homeopaths out there to get exposed
to remedies they might never have thought of.
And so often when I do these lectures, you can be sure that week somebody's
(40:15):
going to walk in and you're going to need a remedy from that lecture that you've just learned about.
And I don't know if you're making your mind into it or if it's the universe
or if it's coincidence, but I've found that so often.
And that's why I love always learning from other practitioners because you can
be sure there's going to be a client walking in and it's going to need that
remedy that you've just learned about. out that's absolutely true isn't it yeah
well enjoy the rest of your day and thank you so much thank you jenny it's been
(40:39):
lovely to meet you see you bye.
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