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Let's get into the episode. You've got the evidence you can

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just cut out and you want to anyway.
These are the captain. Yeah.
Keep all that in love. It's not what it was.
Oh shit. She messaged him.
She. Messaged him.

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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode
of Hot Water Screen Room Podcastwith me, Tony Cunnell.
Boss Jamie Hutchinson. And today we have a very special
guest, a local legend. Mr. Shamrock, everyone, you are
a legend lads, you are a legend.Have you been training today?
Yeah, yeah, you look. Quite You look like post workout

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like gleam. When was the last time you come?
Come what? No, because you know what you
mean. So when fighters don't come.
Bust a nuts and I'm just going to be sitting here.
Like I think that's a myth though.
Is it with the fighters? No, it can't be that that.

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You're not allowed to work. No, it's true, Rob, is it?
Don't get me wrong. Look, everyone's different.
Makes you harder because you're just desperate to come.
Some man will just shag the bed and they're not ass.
Some don't, like I abstain. Do you?
Yeah, yeah. I try.
I try and do 12 weeks, 12 weeks,12 weeks.
Do you know movie though, so yougo 12 weeks about ejaculating

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when you are in the midst of battle and like obviously M&A
can get quite Roly Poly and someof these MA fighters they have
got nice bums. I don't think that you like
you'll just do your load. I always worry that being I'll
try and stayed away from her butthey love.
Makes sense. That makes sense.

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Have you ever got a hard fighting?
No, not that you've got a green guy down anyway, so even if you
did, no one would know it. That's massive anyway.
There'll be there'll be a few people out there that that will
know there's refuge to get you on.
Painting Talbot. Yeah, no, but you must get that
because I'm. I've not even been from like a
sexual way. I just mean from like a

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scientific way. Your body's getting so much
testosterone fighting. Do you know what I mean?
It's primal. Nah, adrenaline kicks in like,
well, I've seen. Scraps in concert.
Oh, is it? Yeah.
Well, I've seen Scraps in concert square, though I've seen
no mums with like stiffies in her.
No, but you're rolling around, you're hugging and getting close
into the sweat. I think he's been watching

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something else that's not you. I've seen that.
Last, I therefore get artery fighting.
Really. Yeah, I hope that says a lot
about you, doesn't? Me mate sent me a show the other
day, I think it's in Manchester or Liverpool.
It's an MMA show kind of thing but it's just women in knickers
and bras thinking to just go forthe laugh and just do a vlog and

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just take the piss in it. Bags, you be the ref.
The woman in the main event was on that air power slap.
All right. Yeah, yeah.
Would you ever do that though? Slapping.
Do you know what it is, lad? I'd rather be punched in the
face than slapped in the face. Yeah, it's a bit more
disrespectful. Yeah, it's a bit mad in it.
Especially letting them do without doing anything.
And do you know what I'd do it. I'd flip the coin and if I go

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first, I'm knocking you out. If I go second, I'm just tapping
and going. There.
Yeah. Yeah, just I'll get on.
As you go, I'm banned from powerslap for life.
Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't want to get slapped.
I think it's just from a more respect angle in it.
Yeah, it's like getting spat on in it, like it's a bit.
I've been head butted and punched.
You know, a fair play dessert. Yeah.
In it, but we take that. We'd fight, you know?

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Yeah. Like since I was young, I've
always visualized. I've always wanted to do it.
Like I've visualized, we walk out.
Oh yeah, every figure. I want to be want to be pick
something to walk out song well.It changes each time, but
there's a song by the Water Boyscalled Don't Bangla Zone.
Go and sing a little bit like that.

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Spot here, but there's a big massive build up and it's like a
trumpet build up. Sometimes.
Those like the drums. Then sometimes you just push it
out. Don't, don't go.
Much. Yeah, 'cause then.
You get halfway to the cage and you still you.
Dropped. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Then you gotta fight. Like I've literally been
backstage before and pushing me and I'm like no.
No, yeah, wait. 10 more seconds I am like.

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All the smallest show I think ifyou get when you get big time
or. Maybe if you, Paddy or someone.
Yeah, you know what is walkout rings for any other count to go
and no, we're live. ESPN are going mad.
What are you? What are you?
Because you don't like you don'tlike average show and especially
around the world and that like they must be someone's where
they're just miles off it like we are the scenes like
production and that and like youknow, like you walk out of a

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fucking you know, I. Had one in Taiwan and the walk
out dropped and the guys pushed me and said go.
And I've turned around and gone.This isn't my walkout song.
But they brought me to lose. I was fighting a local guy.
You want to get you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But in the end I just what? Fuck it.
This is my song. Now, do you have the comments

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running in your head? Because when I've been fighting
canal, when that in Mexico away,I come out and like they're all
booing me and that and Adam Smith, you know, from boxing, he
goes, it's his day with destiny.One of our greatest projects of
the last 15 years, his satanic battle, moving up the weights.
How do you think you'll do? Matthew McLean?

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Well, he's up against you still,Adam.
There's no doubt about him. But if anyone can, it's the hood
of Kane. I.
Think that's what autism looks like?
It's like people like us that you've never got to fight, but
we have visualised, yeah. We don't want to do any of the

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work. We just, we just want to walk.
Yeah, just want to walk out and have everyone see all the
hoodies, all the hoodies there on the side shout sorry.
And. Then against the ring, yeah,
that's. Great, you think that you've
been calling the birds I love you and that bro, it's just men.
Yeah, yeah. Well, I've been to show, I've
been to loads UFC to be honest. No, but even when you think
yeah, but when I make it, the birds are gonna love it, it's

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just men. You just get loads of men
messaging your nice fight mates.Or they could be trolls.
I I think you get an handful of birds and then 98% men.
Yeah, you cause 'cause I've noticed as well.
Shit because you've fought loadsof, especially in Oxygen, like
loads of like from Prague and stuff like that.
They're fans like for the role of my daddy, 'cause they always

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just comment on your stuff. Did.
You see the last poster done today?
No, no, no. They're like, oh, you should be
respectful. Octagon made you famous?
I want my own fights. What you mean?
Yeah, yeah. Like the fucking one fights for
me. We we, we will.
We get it. We what comedy and out of fights
in the same as we get we get thefucking trolls as well.
Like you want to be able to. Like you're not funny.

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It just couldn't do it. Do you know what I mean?
That's fine. That's what it is.
It's always the ones who can't do anyone to speak the most.
That's it, yeah. But I, I enjoy it.
I like the trolls, I like the shit talk.
Do you? Have anywhere the fight fucking
put a wedge on you and like you better fucking win tonight.
That's what I mean. I've got the house.
I think when someone bets big money on you, they don't want to
tell you because they don't wantto tell you, then you lose and

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then you go shit. I put that pressure on them.
I've done it a few times where obviously I'm not allowed to bet
no more. I'm in the UFC, so I don't bet
anymore. But when I did bet, when I bet
on man, I knew. And unfortunately the message to
them and I've gone, Nah, Nah, let me just leave it.
It's extra pressure, yeah. Yeah, like getting in.
There's enough pressure as it is.
You don't want someone else. Like you better win this or I'm

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losing my house. You can't.
I'd love to bet on like death onstage.
What I mean, I've I've £20 on him having a stinker.
But then I could then I could like get inside trainer and just
echo from the back. You shake your pee though.
You touch my kids. You know what I mean?

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Really, Jamie, You. Bet you This is why though in in
the UFC now it's it's not allowed for athletes to bet
because there was one guy. He was AUFC fighter.
His name's James Klaus. Yeah, but James Klaus, yeah, he
wanted the, it was like the consensus.
He wanted Ultimate Fighter Fighter.
Anyway, some American guy. He owns his own gym.
He's a bit of a coach now. And then he had like his own

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discord. And in the discord he'd say
like, oh, I think this guy's going to win.
I think this guy's going to lose.
And someone who was training outof his gym, he's told us they
scored. Everyone bet against him.
He's going to lose. And when people were asking,
like, why is he going to lose, he was saying, oh, the guy's
injured. So.
Now that's inside the trading and they're like you give
information that you know. Happens in every sport on it.

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Do you know what I mean? Like the arse has got flu in
that don't don't have him. Do you know what I mean?
I. Just tell if you don't just got
flu. It's Deezen it.
Happens every sport. I think 40 players should be
allowed to bet on themselves that's I'm going to score that

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trick today. No one's telling me I'm not.
Yeah, that's what this is happened.
Before, but I think yeah. That's what.
I used to do before an own game,used to go in the bookies and
just quit on me first goal. What lad who said that?
Maths is Yeah, didn't he? Yeah.
About that confidence in it, yeah, Confidence, yeah.
I think I should be allowed to bet on myself to.
Win. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But. I think you just get spurious

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and done it because. You bet on yourself to win by
decision, Yeah. You could finish the game out of
the way, yeah. You can knock him out.
It's like, no, he's got. Jordan saddest, Jordan saddest
match fix and I've seen a snooker.
Stephen Lee. Yeah.
Big fat Lee. Yeah, looks.
Like these two? What did?
You do he he was just he was obviously single player and he
was just throwing like frames away, but he got caught.

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It was like a big scandal where like you know, like undercovers
wedding and all that he was talking about and all that and
he was filmed, you know what I mean?
And he got banned for 10 years then.
Yeah, but why? Would.
You speak about it, but the shots are.
Because it's like a dead low level tournament where it's
like, how's this game got 50 grand on?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like.
Made the final. Yeah, I didn't know it was blue.

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Next. Yeah.
It was nowhere near it. Oh yeah.
We always manager, you know. Yeah, Oh yeah, because we
manage, yeah, it's manager at the time.
He's dodgy characters before, soyeah, he's gonna get.
On the pod and just ask him about fucking fixing games on
that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But he's in the Isle of Man. He was.
He was a that's what. Have you ever been in the

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element? Nah, it's a fucking mad place
that I. Don't ever want to go there,
lad. What's there for me, lad?
Isn't much there, but it's like it's I like it because it's full
of fucking weirdos. So I fit in, you know what I
mean? I liked it.
All the bars there, there's justpeople off it, like miles off
it, lad, you know what I mean? So I fit in boss.
That's all that close together. I got sort that there's there's
a bar there called Quinzin, Yeah.
And there's a 10 style. You got to put a pound to get

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it. I got stuck in it lad.
How long was it in there? Just panic that I shouted at the
management. Oh yeah.
And you got your loud straight away, yeah.
Didn't like butter on the fire engine.
It was just. It was just.
Loads of olive oil leash. They're taking a top up.
Because it kept ticking over, the older mate quit by then

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have. You ever been a big watcher?
Nah, just. Always being active.
It's the big cock. Big cock.
Yeah, not him. I've always been in shape,
always trained, always loved exercise and.

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Salt, lobster to me that well say that I've lost weight to the
pasta, not left. But I just think, I think you've
just got up there, haven't you? But like, I think I think I'm
damaged up there. I think like any motivation to
get that, I just go to Boozer. Machines that are complicated.
The Witch. The machines and gyms and that.
What machines? Like putting a fucking Alan key

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in a fucking hole and that do what?
I mean draw this. Let's get to the free weights.
Oh no I did that once my mate was doing it.
I pulled me armpit, pulled me armpit, ruptured my armpit lad
trying to put me traps. I reckon you just get me after
here. Yo, because you got to stand in

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a particular way in that. Show us, Show us I.
Was sort of like. That's four my name.
Check the four my name. That's great parody.
What's your next ship out of 10?I'd give that a nine, you know.
Yeah, no, he's updated with me. Yeah, he's got a, You've got a
How are your posture, haven't you?
Yeah, yeah, because I'm all because we've got no ass.
But let's go. I'm a shave.

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I thought I could be hit on whack A mole.
Do you know what I mean? This on my ass will be a weapon
me. What on your ass I've.
Transferred this goat to my ass just.
Look, Congolese change your Congolese man fighting.

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Canal always. Fight Congolese.
Have you ever thought about thatthe whole boxing thing after
this then or you just focused onobviously because, well, you're
is this the first part that you've done since the since the
good news UFC? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Congratulations on that. Very hard to get to where you
are. I love that.

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Last thing I wanted to do was some serious sit down where
we're speaking about. So where do you want to be in
the? Next.
Yeah, Jake. Hunter is giving you heal and
we're giving you any 10 vodka. Do you come before fights?
I'd rather that it's monotonous lad When?
I'm doing as well. You don't like it, especially,

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you know, or like the interviewsand stuff.
It's just the same questions, all of that.
You must have to like have to get all what to say because if I
was an interviewer I wouldn't beasking that.
I hate all these short form ones.
I know we've done a couple in the past.
What we're doing is taking the piss show.
It's like, you know, when it stays on John Jones against.

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Oh yeah, GC. So I like them ones.
We like them ones. Yeah, I like, but.
As long as they're not serious, we.
Usually like them because it's such different than than than
the normal questions. You know what?
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I hate the same.
Use the big Use the big fellow who asks all the questions on
the UFC because he asks the first question.
See them? Oh, the journalist.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck knows.
Yeah, this guy, yeah, it always American, but he's like, he's

(16:02):
like a big guy, but the fightersare sometimes like fucking with
vulnerable Rogan. No, no, like a fat fuck.
I ever made guru, not ever guru.I wish MMA guru was there asking
questions. That's good question.
That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But don't American ones are jailers.
Did you seem like they asked thesame ones every time?
You know, you watching the pressconference in that.
Asking Tom Askman about John Jones for the 100 and. 18 Just

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life yeah but that call that Kobe Cobbins a lot he's a
fucking he's he's funny, but he's just he's just went after
journalists and that he's not asked as.
He'd love to smash his head. I think he's a tip me like.
This he's he's fake though, isn't he?
You know what I mean? That's what it is.
And I think if you meet him in real life, you'll probably be
like how he's actually sounding.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I think he's just a foot.
On camera, yeah, you should. You should.

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Like you fuck on your way to thetalk, you ought to be.
But obviously. But I'll, I'll do it.
I mean, I'll McGregor propel John's personality and stuff.
But how different is he from hispersona?
Yeah, he's fucking. Sick.
It go messy, yeah. Yeah, go messy.

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Yeah, for no. Reason.
No reason I hate his face me more.
I've been here before because myface.
Makes sense? I got 2 lads on the moped, was
only 13. Two lads on the moped there.
Mine. I need to fucking crack the back
of my head. He went.

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Stop fucking moping you. I'm. 13 Stop being something
before you that or whatever McGregor smack.
It would be like McGregor. What have you done on that?
And they'll be like you asked meif I could before.
EJ phone comes before fights, yeah.

(17:48):
I guarantee you need those makes, yeah.
But if you made that out of told, I'll change everyone.
Don't. Think it'd be hard to be a
strict religious lifestyle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think unless hard. To get out of bed and silk
pyjamas. Yeah, I think unless you can
make that money and still force yourself to live in the same

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house in the same area and then use your money to maybe invest
it in the best training facility, the best doctors, the
best. But I think as soon as you start
going on the best yachts and thebest holidays and the best car.
You want that too much. Harder and harder to come back.
From it I know, but it's part ofyour life where you've got to
live it though as well. Yeah, but not you can't live it
and then still try and be an extraordinary fucking.

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We're not normal people. We don't get to live normal
lives. That's that's.
What you're saying? Yeah, we knew that from the
start. And the second you start dipping
back into normality, that gets harder and harder to achieve.
It's real greatness. And obviously there's a time
limits on there's real obviously, and I think it's
getting, it's getting older because of the technology and
stuff like that. And people look after
themselves. But you may as well just focus

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on are you the hardest in the inthe field?
And then you're still a young man when you retire, and then
you can go party and fucking you.
Still have a good life from 40. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Some people who retired at 36 even still still.
Yeah, be sick. If you rock prop off the rails
at 43, that'll be. I'll be there for that.
Me. There's loads of fuzzy players.
I think it was yeah. And I've never just zinc called

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drugs in the life and then as soon as you retire just all.
The Sherman, James. It's already got no money left.
Sherman, James Miller out on it in 10 years.
We're like the least too likely.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I I already know lad, when I retire, I I still eat clean.
I still want to be around the gym.
I love coaching. I like the whole aspect of mixed

(19:37):
martial arts. For me it's see, it is
discipline, but for me it's not because it's like what you enjoy
doing most in the world. I can go to a nightclub now and
be sad. I can go to the gym and watch
Amateur Spy and be like. I'm already happy when I'm like
when I'm over a pipe load. That's a problem that.
I think I was thinking the same.I love having a fight.

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I've just lost a bet so I have to drive me sorrows.
What, you enjoy losing a bet? Yeah, I'm.
Do you know if I lose a bet? I'm angry for the week, bro.
Yeah, I'm pissed. Was it just a call out the play
or did you just know it was happening?
Like, you know what, it was a mad one.
I've just finished me fighting Octagon.
I won all three rounds, but I fought a fucking German guy in

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Germany, went to went to a splitdecision.
So then I'm backstage with my coach and my coach is like, lad,
you know, you're not getting signed off a split decision
winning. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I was
open to come in and get a finish, but it's six days
notice. It is what it is.
That's OK. So I've gone home and I've
bought my contract with octagonsup.

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I don't know where I'm going to re sign.
The UFC aren't going to sign me on a split decision.
Forget I'll go on holiday like that.
I've been on holiday in 10 years.
My shins are battered, my hands are there and took a bit of head
shots. I'll recover on holiday, get
some sun, see some family and then come back ready to go
again. So I booked Turkey, UAE and then

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from UAEI was going to go to Thailand.
Someone told me and me don't book Thailand until you get to
UAE. So I only had Turkey and UAE
booked. Two days later, my managers rang
me and he wants to FaceTime me. So I'm like, he doesn't normally
FaceTime me. So it's either something really
good or it's something really bad.
Knowing me, it's something really bad.
Yeah. So I'm like, what have I done

(21:28):
now? And he's like, yeah, I just want
to sit down with you and, you know, just hash a few things
out. What's going on in your career
and what direction you're going in.
So I'm like, this sounds like fucking bad news.
So he's like, you know, you're not getting any younger.
Would you be OK with never making it to the UFC?

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And I'm like in the back of me mind, I'm thinking like he's
probably had a good offer for me, but it means I'll never be
able to go to the UFC. So maybe he's trying to feel me
out to then pitch the offer. And I was like, look, don't get
me wrong. If someone comes with some fuck
UFC money and it's big large money and talking 5600 KA fight,
I'm going to have to seriously sit down and consider it.

(22:12):
And then I went, but at the sametime, no, lad, because I don't
want to one day be like, what ifI never got to achieve my dream?
I never got to chase it. So at the same time, no lad, I'd
want to be in the UFC and I'd probably still turn down the big
fuck UFC money, even if it meansI make a bit less.
But then I get to know in the end, if I made it because I
believe in myself, I think I'll make it no matter what.

(22:34):
And he's like, OK, I've got one more question for you.
And he goes, do you think you'regood enough to be in the UFC
now? And like the way I am like
that's that's offensive lad. I'm like, what?
Of course I'm good enough to be in UFC.
And anyone who thinks I'm not lad say to me face and I've got
a problem with him and he's gonegood because I just want to let
you know you've been signed sick.

(22:55):
No way. And then I've gone.
What would you have done if I said no anyway?
Yeah, give it to the next guy like.
It'll slow you though, isn't it?Yeah, that's class stuff.
That's good. That we'll celebrate on your
behalf. Go on, boys.
And that's too like that, a little bit of body or something
of vodka. As well, Yeah.
That's all that. Like for the things you want to

(23:16):
water? Yeah, that's got me water stuff.
Yeah, as a safe we could that even though we, we it's been
mentioned all signs about your story basically.
Hold on a minute. How did he open that like that
then now how did you open it We've.
All got skills bro. You're just fighting our ass off
the balls. And I feel like it was 9, didn't
he Max? What did you do then?
We're professional bottle openers.

(23:37):
What did you do? I opened the photo.
With what you didn't use that I just seen.
OK, what was it? OK, well, do you want to see it,
Sir? Use the serious Alcoholics,
aren't you? Let's see.
Yeah, this is all like we were lying, but I love the other
boys. Oh, what all this?
Yeah, see, I didn't know that. But it's shit when you get down

(23:58):
to your last one lad at 6:00 in the morning, you know what I
mean? You just start, you just have a
drop off of of ciggies and and you down to your last beer and
you've got no other beer to openit.
And you're like, how can I open this?
Asking these dealers to bring the bottles dealer the the
shopkeeper. Yeah, I'd say it was.

(24:22):
Obviously you've mentioned the story.
Fucking few times, obviously, I would all start an Apple did
this when you got that call off your manager by the UFC like
that. That's just it's just it's just
perfect and it's not. I didn't stop or where you've
come from. You know it's fucking.
It must have been. You wanted to make it a film.
Now you could end. The day it could, yeah.
It's like your mouth you had to come back from.

(24:44):
I remember I messaged about fiveyears ago if it was a Holland
state, that was something and I just seen like a like a
documentary thing about it gonnabe but like this before you like
blew up on that ball. I remember that she just saying
just see, not at all. I was fucking unbelievable.
Wait, just just a story for getting to just just back to
normality that after what you were through, you know what I
mean? It's fucking spiral.

(25:04):
Because like people just see what they see on the
documentaries and that, but thenthere's parts that doesn't make
the court, parts that you can't say that you can't see.
It really has been fucking a movie like both.
And I'll have a narrative they want to build in, you know?
I. Mean they'll paint you if they

(25:25):
want to paint you a hero or a villain.
Yeah, yeah, you'll already have that lined up.
But it's weird the way I live. Like I just feel like, and
that's done. I'm not one of them who like
looks back on it and goes, oh, what a good time that I'm like,
fuck that, you've done that. What's next?
I'm chasing this now. That's that's how you got Yeah,
but it was to be boss that got that call.

(25:46):
I was celebrating with your family that.
You know, didn't tell a single soul.
Kept it to myself. I had a few content ideas to
release. When it was time to release, I
was going to tell me family and then I was going to release it.
I was on holiday in the UAE, I'mon the beach and the next minute

(26:07):
I go on my phone and my phone's just going crazy.
The UFC added me to the roster as an athlete and the
journalists have been typing my name in and it's come up and
then all the journalists are sharing that have been signed.
So then I had to release them inthe UFC and put me content out
there and then all my family arelike, you're cheeky, why didn't
you tell us you didn't do? This concept face family

(26:29):
seconds. Did you get a bonus?
That's not my family will be like.
What was that bummer or. Something, yeah.
Did you see the allowance? Was he done?
Oh, it's class racer there. That was that was good clip that
lad, would he? So it was literally done all
last second. I've got a cameraman.

(26:50):
I had these two little what you call what you call them because
I don't want to be offensive. Little people.
Little people. I had two.
Lobes. No, these are real people.
Oh yeah. So if I had, if I had two small
men and we were going to go to arestaurant with the view of the

(27:11):
Burj Khalifa in the background and just film and do the
contents. And on the day I'm ringing all
the restaurants and they're like, oh, you need the payment
to film in the UAE. And I'm like, fuck off.
What, you mean you need the payment?
Yeah, it's going to take you at least 24 hours to get a payment.
I've already paid the little fellas.
I've already paid the camera guy.
And we're there. Do you know what I mean?
So I've rang me, mate, like, hey, you still got that

(27:34):
apartment there, lad? And he's like, yeah, yeah.
I'm like, do me a favour lad, show, throw me your address.
And I've just popped up to his with the cameraman and too small
man. And he was just like, is that
just fell off when he's being like, lad, what are you doing,
you know? What do you doctor as a 2 little
fellas like could you just borrow your apartments and fill
the soul you want to have rig ofthe.

(27:54):
Busy. I don't even think you'd, but
I'll. Actually.
Be normal in every day and then.That's Couch, Yeah.
The kid, the kid whose apartmentit was ended up doing a video
afterwards with him as well. I was like, with you now.
Yeah, because he's got, he's gota Shiller company.

(28:15):
Yeah. Yeah, he does all my like
spinning his shiller jit. So I said, lad, you might as
well, yeah. What were the little fellas
like? Ah.
Lad. That one was grumpy.
These are my jokes, by the way. Dopey was miles off.
It kept missing his lines. To be fair lad, this English

(28:40):
we're the greatest, so we had toget him to say it a million
times. Yeah, yeah.
It's time to make a choice. He's like choice is time like
now. Let's go again.
No, go again. As I would me to adverse like
takes about 10 takes. The other one didn't have a clue
what was going on. One of them was more was more on
it, but they were funny. Like they were good people, man.
Yeah, that's sad. That's sad.

(29:02):
How did you find them? Did you just Google little
people for hire in Dubai? So someone and someone I know
had a stag party and used them, yeah.
Yeah. So they probably charged me a
stag party fee to just come and do an easy five minute, 10
minute video like they were buzzing, they were buzzing.
Instead of being handcuffed for a big day, even a four or two

(29:23):
too. You know what I mean?
Yeah. Yeah, they were buzzing.
Me, me, me, me. May too.
Done the video after me black lad from Money because he didn't
speak great English. He's like so low.
I want you. He pulled out this big barish
illegit bear in minds, this big black resin, and he's gone.
You walk in Pablo Escobar, the guy's seen this big kilo of

(29:46):
black stuff on the table and he's some black guy in tattoos
saying Pablo Escobar. And he just went no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I had to grab him, be like,
no, no, relax, relax. Look, yeah, this is legal.
Look, it's all. And then we're getting his insta
page off and showing him becausehe did like we had to explain it
and he was like oh, OK, and thenbut you.
Don't. Don't fucking ask questions

(30:08):
there in it. If you get, if you get to over
there, you'll get slabbed. Yeah, that's why I've never
been, to be honest. Yeah, you wouldn't last.
Yeah, I'd never been there, never to buy like that all it's.
All rated anyway that yeah, yeah, I don't really like it.
Shall we in it? Yeah, I.
Don't like it? Yeah.
Yeah, if you have, if you had like proper proper do, it would

(30:28):
be nice to go just. To do, you know?
Yeah, but it's not Interpro, is it?
Not going on my budget, you know.
What I mean that's. Actually asking for bifters.
Also I. Do an announcement and hire 2
donkeys. I reckon you do that for the
next advert. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Any. Ted, any Ted, piss on a donkey
you. Just lost a sponsor.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we lose loads.

(30:49):
We lose 1 of. These.
Yeah, fuck them anyway. That's it.
If you don't want to get into that, we've pulled.
Out on you. Better help.
Better help. Better help.
Fuck you, yes. Which ironically made us
depressed. Not to cut that off still like
an online mental Health Organization.
Yeah, fuck that. Anyway, Yeah, fuck that better.
Off. We don't need you.
We're already better. I'll drive a launch myself in

(31:10):
front of a train, so I'm using it.
Lost them, lost to be a company because the because we, well,
what was what? We used to be a company.
I'd say shy it. You said it'd be shy, No.
Was he? No, but then we got them back.
And then we got them back and then they.
Paid us for two years but then. And then they restructured the
company so they had loads of newmanagers come in.

(31:33):
So they went almost our next payment for our sponsorship.
And like what sponsorship? Well, you, you've been
sponsoring us for a year, 2 years.
Yeah. And they looked at the contract
and went we're not sponsoring you 2 fat bums.
Shut us off, Shut us off. They got to give us properties.
It's over 2 years. Like, yeah, we've had management
change. I can't believe we've never
agreed to sponsor this. Mad.

(31:55):
Hello, should we slagging? It's your it's your podcast you
can cost. Some money to leave that.
Do you owe you money? Yeah.
Listen, if you don't pay that money as you're getting sued,
yeah. Bro and you're getting twisted
off my shit. Smashing and.
We'll watch and shout at you, but it does.
Yeah. Good game game Shit.
Yeah, mother fucking game. And I'm going to work on my

(32:17):
traps some more. Do you know where your traps
are? Oh yeah, go on.
See that? I just thought it was one of
them words that you'd hear. Then you were just like, yeah,
traps. It's going to pass out.
That's going to. Be finishing movements, I'll be

(32:38):
sparing wrestling. Sorry, I got a minute.
What was that you you're finishing?
Moves spare so I've done the years of spare on.
Who? Pillows and that.
Oh. You're a kid, man.

(33:01):
He's your only brother name. Only probably.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had an adoptive family for a
bit, but they left, yeah. It wasn't like they lived there
for years. They lived there for years.
Yeah, you adopted you. You adopted them or they adopted
you? No, we adopted them.
Yeah, my mum there was. Going to be Allison.
I was getting kicked out. No, they weren't getting.
Kicked she was a nice and beautifully she.
Just wanted like yeah, she was getting hit by a fellow some

(33:23):
woman come and stay with us for a few days next door.
But one and then she just stayedfor six years.
Then you just had mattresses allover the floor and.
That with the English. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You wouldn't adopt A foreigner, would you?
I probably would, yeah. That's what we talked to, isn't?
It we'd adopt my nephew, he needs a visa, lad.
Yeah, what's up with him? How old's he's in Africa?

(33:46):
How old 7 Oh shit I was marryingbut.
Now many. Messages.
Obviously you're about a 7 year old, I know.
You sent it as a no, no. That is the line that will not
cross. Yeah, yeah.
That's what Jamie Hutchinson promised.

(34:07):
So yeah, but that that family know six years but didn't didn't
get evicted because they were just left.
Still, they would. Yeah.
They never paid us rent and that, yeah, they're.
Just that's a long time and it'slike it's overstaying your
welcome, man. It's like was always having
parties in the House and that. Job they was.
Just everyone like my mum went off the rails so.
They started rubbing off on everyone else.

(34:27):
That my high school was just a party.
Also never had any sleep. I was coming in like that.
It's like school, kind of a Kip.Did she have?
School together. She has, Doors told you.
Yes. Your age.
She was two years old. And.
Nah, but used to watch in a funk.
Did you she let you know? No.
No, Yes, she used to go out. What you meant like in the

(34:50):
wardrobe like that? It's like a bit of a sexual the
way did you know what I mean? Where is she now?
I don't. Know she's all right, she's got.
Kids in there. Oh, she Did you ever preserve a
time put on her? No, I I still.
Think now where kids are going to be watching this, thinking
about you watching them out in the I.
I fingered a mate when I was like 15.

(35:12):
How old was she? She was 17.
Oh, yeah, that was anatomy. Oh, yeah, I always show up that.
Yeah, two years above me in school.
She was in college after the near term.
You don't get better than that though, do you?
When you're 15, it's like win the lottery.
That isn't it. Yeah.
Tell all you mates about it for weeks.
Yeah, You get me? Yeah.
Come on. But Jamie's fucking ass though.

(35:35):
Smell my ass. Oh, are you?
Are you single chef? Oh yeah.
Cans. Who's asking?
No, no, no, I'm not. No, that's nice.
Money to the game. Oh, I think that I'd say you
watching Dana, this guy's got tobe the fucking next big mate.

(35:57):
Tell you, have you got any planned yet?
Have you have you? Can you launch your next one or
are you still waiting for the the first fight?
I am fighting against. I don't know that you know, I
know. So we just make something off
and just go with it. Because people wrote off with

(36:18):
that lad. You know what it's like these
audience. That's why.
That's why we do it. Who's the Who's the maddest name
we could come with? Who's who's in the USC?
What weight class are you? I'm fighting a little Eliot
Poirier's brother. That's.
On the undercard that Paddy, yeah, that.
Paddy fight Lilia. Yeah.
Oh, he's, he's the one who's gotbeef with Paddy.

(36:40):
Yeah. Yeah, had had sanitizer.
Week. Oh, he won it.
The weekend is that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Paddy went into the rig after today.
Oh, I'll see. He's like he's pushed Paddy and
he's moved farther back than Paddy then.
Paddy Unity, he's so big, he's so 40.
Don't be just to engage you being there and and and.
Just not going to look. Just usually go up Paddy.

(37:03):
They're just like, what about us?
So he. Actually said on the mic, I want
to fight that guy who hates his back talking about Arm and Suki
because you pulled out the titlefight with the sore back and Joe
Rogan goes yeah, you wanna fightPaddy the Pimlip, Paddy.
Paddy the Paddy Pimlik. Get in the cage, Paddy.
Joe's sick and he loves he's, you know.
What the boy does boxing. Yeah, of course it's.

(37:23):
Just like View, that's 10 million views guaranteed.
I'd love for them to do. Like, remember when McGregor
fought, I'd only done a world tour.
Tour. But you want to do that.
I'll tell you also like Spade. You just don't care about
promoting the fights as much as they used to know.
Right. And I honestly, I love the press
conferences more. I more than the fighters.
I love it. Me, I'll tell you what one of my

(37:45):
favorite moments in fighting thelast 5-10 years go on was when
the carpool outside and Chris Eubank senior.
Was like, that was legendary. So that was legendary.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the whole arena just a
rough. And you know what made it
better? I was sick.
The fight was as well. And that will be forever.
Yeah, honestly. I've not stopped listening to
Simply the Best by Tina Turner. Yeah, but did you see the story

(38:07):
of his dad telling them what to do for the walkouts and he said
no. Yeah, he's mad.
A bit cold. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, with with
Paddy this stand supporting as well like fucking like everyone,
because he's just supporting. Yeah, he has he's he's he's not
he's not a code few legends out now, but like you've you've got
a back Paddy 100% you have to he's much bigger.

(38:30):
I think it's the new Jenna fighting as well.
That's what it is. It is made 20%.
I think. I think all that you can't be
you gotta take it out of seven legends makers.
They've got to be 3 wars over the years.
But it's the new Jenna fight. Changing the guards, lad.
And yeah, that's it. You can't be taking that much
damage and be close to your 40s and still think you're going to
beat these newcomer. Time wait for no man.

(38:50):
Yeah, exactly that I think. 100%back of me.
Like I think he'll do it me. Yeah, I think the top of the
divisions arm and Paddy to Poirier.
I think all the others are too old now like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you Dustin's, you
Justin's, yeah. Boss watching like that.
It's been boss watching. Like horse lad called.
I was, I was, I got introduced to by like the Rodney Rousey,

(39:11):
that area, you know what I mean?Just because she was fit, I
don't. Think she was fit?
Yeah. Yeah, she thought she decided
Me. Yeah, and then start to watch it
and obviously McGregor, he just captivates everyone, didn't he?
Because just because his press conferences and that was like
the funniest one I've seen is when he when he even Diaz on
that money show thing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Count to 10. Count to 5 and that lad, he

(39:33):
kills a lot. Diaz, who's not asked how is he?
He doesn't get back. To Diaz.
So he's just not asked. Yeah, a lot.
I like Diaz, me. Yeah, I too say when he's on a
podcast and the podcast is like pretty mostly.
And so if he went, I think he could take in the street fight
though. Yeah, well.
You go, you just, you know, podcast the bro, Yeah.
But he's. Smashing more?

(39:55):
See his eyes go like that. I've got a few seasons.
You have no. But listen, I'm a lover, not a
fire. Yeah, good answer.
Bro, I'm a lover, not a fire. I'd make you come though.
Guys, see you later. Shooting in next week.
You made me talk bro. That phone not grasping with him

(40:20):
just have to go for the knockoutall night yeah so cool boil
myself off so more slip me and. Just start though if it's got.
Yeah, Anyone you grab with, if you get in a dominant position,
you start moaning. You got to get off them, haven't
you? Yeah, Yeah.
What you do do me hard days. It's yeah, if yeah, if you want
to get that's, that's that's thething about the fight as well.

(40:42):
Like, you know, if that if you ever got into a situation these
people could just like should put you down, yeah, you could be
like, get off me. And I was like, Nah, like you've
got no choice. They they, they literally like
submitting. You get off, get off me just.
Get off. If, if, if someone got me on the
floor, you not gonna just you gonna say get off me a lot,

(41:03):
Yeah. You get off now.
Do you know what it is? When you when?
When you're exhausted. Yeah, you're exhausted.
You. That's when you're like get off
me, get off me, get off me. I think getting punched isn't
that bad. It's not as bad as what people
think. It's the it's the weight of
someone else to. Be really exhausted and you
can't move no more. That's when it's like.
I think that's why cardio fuckerbeats every little piece as

(41:23):
well, because people who don't who don't gas out like the
fucking yeah, like what I beat. That's why the.
Machine is. Machine because he like it's
fighting obviously like I just get tired watching the war
Taylor but imagine athletes, lads and there's people who are
even better physically better advantage, of course, because
when you gas weights, you can't stop that card.

(41:45):
You can't you know what I mean? You don't, aren't you?
The legs go fuck on. The Toyota's do a work in
progress. I was doing like.
What's work in progress? Like a warm up show if you're a
tour. Like.
The first, you know. Like, test out your material for
the hour show, yeah. OK.
And what is this for your tour? Yeah, yeah.
So it's a few years ago. As long as I'm quite energetic
performer. Yeah, But you know, I'm going to

(42:05):
do 20 minutes throughout the year and then you do a tour at
the end of the year, drop me in.So I'm doing a practice runner
this hour and Callum came in andwent.
He sat off too quick. Him I swear to swear to swear to
God. At the 48 minute mark I did the
last 12 on a stool just. Sweating bullets.
That's when you know you don't fit, by the way, when you can't

(42:26):
stand up for an hour. Too hard, too quick.
Well, Callum called it from the back he went.
He sat off too quick. You know what though, when we're
in the gym and you're training, I feel like you can kind of
control how tired you go. But when you're actually
coaching the class and you've got to show the techniques and
speak at the same time lad, it takes it out of, you know, next

(42:49):
minute you're like, So what you want to do with your lads is.
And especially when you go with the main fight me as well.
You've got that adrenaline behind as well, haven't you?
Which Which? When I'm fighting, yeah, yeah,
yeah. I think adrenaline changes
everything. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're
up there, you're flying. And then you get that big
adrenaline dumb Plaid. Do you know, do you know after
us, You know, and I'll just describe it.

(43:09):
I mean, it's about to compare ourselves with you.
I know you feel me when you whenwe do shows and you're fucking
smashing it. Yeah.
And you know, you get this, thisfucking feel.
It must be like fight when you get that adrenaline.
It's fucking and then after it mates.
It's horrific. The adrenaline dub you just want
to sit like do you get the afterfights?
You just. Want to throw up after fights
when I get the adrenaline dump alot.

(43:30):
A lot of fights I puke after like yeah, yeah, yeah.
I get these first round finishesand walk out the cage in a
minute and get backstage and just go.
And then I go 3 rounds with someone and have a bit of a war
and I'm like, yeah, I'm. So sad.
Do you know like after after you've forced that?
If not, not if you're do whatever like do you like, do
you have like a pie tight like after the fight?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rice, pasta, potato.

(43:52):
But would would you go into a party atmosphere after that or
or would you just prefer to sit with like you?
I want to be in the room by myself and just be left to fuck
around. It's like, it's like you want to
party. Straight out.
But we we just, we have a bevy, but just as an arrow because.
I mean, to be honest with you, Ifeel like you, you have this big

(44:14):
long 12 week camp, you'll have this huge expectation of what
the win's gonna be like, of whatthe what the arena's like
fighting. You put it on this massive
pedestal. You do all these interviews
leading up to it talking shit about your opponents, him
talking, just get to the face off.
It all gets built up to be this big thing.
And then you win. Wasn't what I expected.

(44:37):
Boom. And you just had this big crash
and you just, it's the most depressing.
Thing the same thing after all Idreamed of was being a touring
comic. Finished my last saw and I was.
I went like that mate. I.
Didn't gig. From this, the hardest thing,
when you're at that point, you go where do we go from here?

(44:57):
And I think for me, the only thing that where do we go from
here that can fix it just to go straight back into the gym.
Back to the gym, yeah. And then I'm happy again.
Then like training, watching thelad.
Oh, he's fighting next. Let me help him.
Yeah, yeah, OK. He's going to fight the
Southport. I'll be his opponent for the
little bit and then you forget about.
I think that's. What's classified your gym as
well? It's bad and it's bad that it's

(45:17):
going to be over the next few years.
But he's like looking at the theroster, your gym, it's going to
be 5-6 UFC fighters like that good.
Molly's in the UFC, OK, Retired Paddy.
So me. Nathan Fletcher, Luke Riley
about to do Contender series, You've got Adam Cullum, Liam
Gittins all on the Como. Out of a small gym, you know the

(45:42):
area will be like the population.
Obviously it's if. You look at any other gym in the
country, look at any other gym in the country, you'll be
finding it very hard to name more than one UFC athletes.
I think it's all Manchester Top team.
I've got Lerone and Atiba GB topteam.
I've got Lonnie Cavani. Baby, we've got figure.

(46:02):
And Oh yeah, Birmingham, I've got Leon and Jai here, but.
Yeah, this is a conveyor belt though, isn't it?
Really? Which Liverpool's like a
conveyor belt? The next one.
'S basically must. I reckon the next 2-3 years he
could have not said UFC fighters.
But you know what the mother's thing is?
There's all the talents outside of our gym in Liverpool.
Yeah, yeah. So this is what I think all the

(46:23):
time. Like Oh yeah, imagine we all
just trained together. Jones.
This boat is low skaters. Campbell's Connor Walsh.
Paul Smith. It was just one said to Paul,
fuck the hell out you read that walk as long as you did there.

(46:49):
I was pissed that night, so I never even got to fight Today.
I was human. That's.
What I was meant to be on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he tried to put me on the prelims, lad.
Yeah. Yeah, but that was with the
whole. With the busy lad, they want to
kick the busy, yeah. You don't like the the way the
wayans do you square enough on that.
How he's that port Was the name.Pokorny.

(47:09):
Pori, is it Pokorny? Yeah, he's obviously put that he
pushes something like that and she just went like that, but
literally just went like that. Well, it was harder than that,
yeah. I was just silent back in the
legit. He said they broke his ribs, but
a deaf or never. But you're like, it's a fucking
fighting press conference. But.
You've got him in the end though.

(47:30):
Yeah, I got him in his back garden.
Yeah. Yeah.
What? Do you expect to happen at a
press conference or fighting? Yeah.
Well, I think, I think, I think people just I think people just
bought like it's after. As I say, I don't want to
fucking because I do. I think people just but I think
he bought it out there. Look for this used to get out.
Look at Liam Gittins last fight.Bro Yeah, yeah, that was bad.
The I poked the guy, the guy quit, didn't want to carry on

(47:52):
fighting. The rematch, the fight in
Manchester at the face off his opponent's coach kicked Liam
Gittins. So then the the owners of Cage
Warriors said he's not allowed to be in the arena on Fight
Night, He's banned. So the guy said I'm not
fighting. So his coaches kicked Liam to
get and then they've pulled out,Yeah.

(48:12):
Yeah. Yeah.
And the first fight was like he was battling and then it was
just, it was, it was like a glance.
And then he was like that. Then he's like that for about
half hours. Like when Mourinho did it for
Madrid, you know they've alreadyqualified for the next round and
he was like telling Ramos a cardso.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you get both to the last

(48:32):
group game and you feed the. Last one on it, Ramos.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you seen that video, that
of the fella that's getting likethey think he's faked it, He's
fake like getting knocked out and stuff.
Oh yeah, a scene that against Paul Craig.
Oh shit, yeah, and it's. Like, like this with the ref on
the floor. Yeah, yeah, Oh yeah, yeah,
because it was delayed. I've seen that before.

(48:54):
Delayed think. He shits at me did you?
Because he went to the ref like Rep and then he went.
Down like. On the way and I was a bit like.
Delayed like what's saying it was a late punch?
He got nose and knees of the head or something, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then he he goes that he.
Looked at the ref, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
And then went down. Lads, I need a piss.
Yes, freelancer. We're not professionally lad.

(49:16):
You do what you all as. If we're going to say no.
I watched I watched Patrick pod last night with thingy.
Well, all Tiger. Oh yeah, I hadn't seen it yet.
I watched. It like, but that's 20 minutes
ago we had boss lads. It's funny because Paddy's just
socks like he talks. And no one on the.
Stage is like for his Ortega is getting it a little bit you're

(49:37):
able. Don't know the lingo.
Yeah, yeah, but Paddy's not. He doesn't like that.
He's just I'm. The same on holiday.
Like I'm just. Like yo, what's happening lad?
Take us to him and they're just like what I remember coming come
out the airport in Dubai. I've sat down and I've I've said
like straight away, I'm starvingin it.
So I've gone to the restaurant that's in the airport, lad.

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I'm just ordering some SCRAM andthe guy's like and I said yeah
mate, got me Google Translate upand I said what language is your
natural language and I'll put itin on Google Translate and he
goes, looks at the phone and goes English.
He was like, what he's gonna sayin the end, I'm just like.

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I will see all your stories, shesaid.
That stories, big plate. I'm like Alex Bastar.
My mum would feed you or plant. Just live with your bars.
I've got. She like she does this thing
where you go, you don't and you go, no, I'm not even hungry.
Me don't don't make not for me. All right, I won't like 5

(50:53):
minutes later. I just made something small for
you like the I have this and it'll just be later food and
you're like I said, I'm supposedto.
I'll just pick out it then, lad.My grand does similar yeah, go
around to see me grand in that just get it on, but she's still
like insist forces are fry up down me like force feeds me and
the bread ratios fucked. So I'm like half a loaf, one

(51:16):
slice of bacon, one national bacon.
That's not right. That is it.
Forces it down there any more bread, love?
No grant. Fucking hell, force it down if
you don't want to be rude. And then she'll sit down to all
you've put on weight. You.
There's a kid coming here like afucking feed on Channel 5.

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Yeah. So have you got any ideas then
of of of what's what you want next door?
You just gotta just wait until. Obviously you've got Paris
coming up. Yeah.
I think preferably it's a littlebit soon for me, you know, just
coming off holiday and making medebut.
Obviously I want to make a big full splashboard.
If they call me for that, I'm ready.

(51:59):
Abu Dhabi, maybe that'd be idealbecause tomorrow, October times
and. That's always a boss card.
That as well, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, Always good one.
But I don't mind just. Your first storm come in to be
headline event like. Me headline in the UFC, I'd love
to lad, but they're not going todo that.
I think you've ever done. That I mean eventually.
You will. Eventually, yeah, eventually.

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I mean, would you have, would you have to like fight in
Liverpool on the way up or have your first Liverpool fight
headline title fight? I've never fought in Liverpool.
Have you know, Oh. Yeah, you haven't.
Have you? Never.
Oh, that's weird. Never.
How? Come, it's that.
It's because of the when, when you when like the amateur
amateur or you just start like pro fighting in smaller
organisations. They'll do shows and like the

(52:43):
Olympia and stuff like that willdo or like, or the other venues.
But you were there. You you were the Catholic across
the world, wasn't it? I've.
I've never fought in Liverpool and I've never fought on a
prelim fight ever. Every time I've been main event,
Co main event or main card. That's.
That's this would be this would be me.
First ever prelim fight now in the UFC.
Yeah, it won't. Be lived over you lads, it won't
be tuned. I'll be on the prelim minute.

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They'll be realized straight away by how many people TuneIn
and. Tune out.
Yeah, yeah. Get behind UK fighters, don't
they? When they sort of catch fire and
that don't, yeah, you expect. Unless you're the boring cunt.
Yeah, there's a few with me a lad.
Yeah. Yeah, name.
No names. There's still there's still
people are fucking. I think it's fucking, you know,
like it's too graphic and all Apple how to say they did the

(53:25):
amount of boxes that day. Yeah, both.
In boxing's boxing's. More.
Head trauma, definitely. Yeah, yeah.
Back in the day on the Fox cards, they used to come in
between between the fights and splay the canvas so there was no
blood on the canvas because the sponsors didn't like it.
Oh yeah. So then the next fighter getting
in just breathing in pure pain fumes like it's.

(53:47):
Not good as. Off your cake on fucking paint.
Yeah, my Gran tried to do a gin and tapes over there.
Gin and tapes, yeah. She's lost the fucking plot to.
Drink it. Yeah, she thought it was tonic.
What I. Put tapes in the gym.
Yeah, and you tell her before orafterwards?
Yeah, she had to get the house. I was just.
I'm all around the house and there's too much damp in here

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anyway. No, Gran, no way.
Now that's just miles off the road.
But it'll be sick. We'll be sick to fight in in
Liverpool or the Echo. That's the only it's the only
place that deal you're. Not doing it.
Though I was there for the till Wally.
One of the best walk outs in USChistory in my opinion.

(54:27):
Was what? Yeah, was special, like I was
about, I was all the lads got a box though.
You would have been like, we're the same.
You wanna be down there? Me.
I don't. Get the same.
About all that. But still boss that was feeling
all that but. I get right to the front.
I I I'll buy the shit to stick it in there and get right to the
front. Yeah.
Glad you can't stop me. Like you can't, bro.
You can't. Be what I'm skulls fellas live

(54:48):
is like excuse me Siri picture didn't fuck off.
Like shut up. Yeah, you'd have to get bump
vids, all right, jobs. And a brave one, that.
Swindled me way right at the front today.
USC Manchester, we're right at the front and lad all the fans
just keep coming over and askingfor pictures with me and in the

(55:10):
end security's come over like who are you mate?
I'm like no one lad, but I remember funny lad.
I'm one of them people like I don't see no one and get
starstruck. I never see someone and go like,
Oh my God, there's for him. More time than not, people go,
oh look, there's fucking Denzel Washington and I'm like who but
lad the same Wayne Rooney boughthim past and I was like, yo,

(55:32):
Wayne, what's happening lad and lad He was blanking everyone on
the way past and he's seen me and stopped.
So I don't know if he. Must have seen that.
So we've been like, what's happening lad?
And I've gone. You wait for Molly like the end.
And he's just gone. Yeah, Mom.

(55:54):
And kept it moving. And I went, ah, I should have
said this. I should have said.
That like. Never in my life have I ever
seen someone and gone oh shit this blah blah.
He's just growing up as a kid. But he got patted off bars he
wanted. I remember that.
Didn't you see that when he had the boxer match in his kitchen?
I'm full, bars do. You know what though, I would
love to see him come and do a Misfits 1.

(56:14):
You know, I reckon he'd punch most of these Youtubers up.
I'd love to do misfits me. Lad, get involved in that.
Well, how to do it? Just get on your podcast every
day and just fucking who is the now?
Who is doing the misfits that you'd fight that?
Needs to be same weight on it. Well, that doesn't matter.
It's. Misfit Charlie.
Sloth. Charlie Sloth.
Listen, lad, this is what what'shappening.
Flee. Round 2 minute rounds.

(56:36):
Main event. My money.
Yeah. Look, I'll coach him.
Charlie, you can get whoever youwant.
My look, I've got the house on them.
Our vodka versus your vodka. What's this?
Vodka. Called.
Any 10 versus AU vodka. The winner, the loser, has to
just take this off sale. Nothing so fucking go on yet.

(57:00):
It's only the battle cuddle. He follows me on instant outside
him later. I must be, must be told.
I thought I'll do it. Would you do it like?
Yeah. How?
Much would you do, I think. I think when the only times I've
lost weight in my life, yeah, iswhen I've had something to work

(57:23):
towards. I know that sounds really bad of
yourself. Don't.
Know, I understand that I understand.
That which is it is what it is. But when I don't like a chat on
a charity walk from Old Traffordto Anfield, John lockdown.
I've seen you talking about. That yeah, 30 odd miles.
It wasn't like I was 20 odd Stoner London fucking, but I had
to see you. Walking every day.
Yeah, I had to lose the weight obviously to get lighter and

(57:43):
condition yourself for that walk.
So you can't stop all the way you got.
To yeah, talking like 14 hours she.
Didn't stop though, didn't you? What do you do for food?
Yeah, I'd outside my keys. That's what I've got a joke
about it and that's the story. And I've like, I had like
fucking like food in my bag. I'm not gonna be just like just

(58:05):
just pre made stuff. What is What's your favorite
butter? We love butters on this part
Have you? Got to be a butty guy, lad.
I'm not, you know, Subway that now.
Subway is not food, lad. Subway, Yeah.
Eat fresh. What's your favorite thing from

(58:28):
Heron Foods? What?
The fuck's Heron foods? Heron Foods is.
That like farm foods. If you're a millionaire, Heron
Foods is for the working man 40 dippers for the pound.

(58:51):
Frozen beds, you know. Please don't know me.
No. I like, I don't eat meat.
I don't eat cheese, no dairy. I won't really eat bread.
Or maybe I'll eat sourdough. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So now what would I do? Sourdough.
Don't be solo. Nah bro, I haven't had meat
since I was 12. Are you fish?
But you can't put fish on a pussy lad.

(59:13):
Do those. Finger Boys.
Oh, no, he's yeah. Do you know where?
He's right there. He's right there, yeah.
Fishing. Go on.
I give you that. I give you that.
My favorite buddy. I had to be there.
Pot noodle buddy bro. Lad, there's a guy in our gym up
on it, he was Cage Warriors champion.
He goes on about Pot Noodle buses as well, and he'd be right
in your. Body, you could call this

(59:34):
podcast and talk about Pot Noodle buses.
I love a Chris Butty as well lad.
Nah. That's dirty, that.
Life so hard right now Chris Butties.
What else put the butties? Like Curry butties, you're.
Fucking your miles off it now do.

(59:55):
You know what to do like I don't.
Curry on a butty. Chips like with an AM bread.
Yeah, that's different. That's yeah.
Not dipping though, I mean making a.
Oh, no, I like, I'm a dipper. Me.
I'm a do you know what I like? When you go to the restaurant,
you go with little booze, you gaffer something and you come
with that rustic sourdough. Oh.
Yeah, that is cool. And then did olive oil, balsamic
vinegar. That is nice though.

(01:00:17):
You're the best bread I've ever had.
Oh, there's there's a good there's a good bread near me.
The fucking I can't remember. It's called olives Baker.
Fucking amazing. I had bacon.
I can black pudding but they were there.
Or breads. Like a pillow bro.
Fake but pillow. You know my best.
Bread I ever had. Best bread I ever had was bread

(01:00:40):
I made. He's lying in year.
Five. Yeah, we had a bread day and we
had to make our own bread. I went to West Abbey.
Cop me lad didn't have an oven there.
Lad didn't remain. We went round the bread factory
thing. Lad What school did you go to
Lad? Have a swimming pool?
You know you have a swimming pool in your school?

(01:01:01):
Yeah, ABI, my school was shit, lad.
What school did you? All do.
I went to school in London, you know.
Oh yeah. Yeah, I went to a few up here.
I got kicked out. Went well from Year 7 until I
stopped going to school. Was pretty much in London.
Yeah, yeah. That was a Sports College also.
The school I went to someone stabbed the teacher bro.

(01:01:21):
Yeah, he sparked the tennis teacher out.
Oh no, I said stabbed them though.
Someone shagged them, not. Like, a lot shagged the bed.
Cortana, that's like you. Know I love that you know my
time, my teachers. Even like even like the teachers
that way of fit with fit lad. When you're an old boy, you feel

(01:01:43):
lad, you're like, oh, Missus fucking Jones there.
She's 80 there, but she. Oh.
She took my favorite she. Used to be in a locker back in
the air of war Joe, my favorite.Took.
My favorite type of fight is in school when a mosher just loses
it. Like oh lad and date the
reference one. Last 1A cough just goes lad.
I see I never wanted to ask you like the fucking hold us through
with spikes all that I was like what you're crazy you.

(01:02:05):
This guy called Johnny Herbert. Yeah, I don't know.
He's either in prison or head ofCEX.
He's one of the two. Like this guy went oh, Johnny,
why don't you shut up, lad. And he just picked up a he went
shut up. Yeah, dead calm.
Just picks up a sign Sue and just fucking banged his head

(01:02:27):
like prop. You know when Kate before he
stabbed his neck here and just walked out.
Take it and suspend it walks out.
That's cool, that's cool. Half that's different if some if
you fight someone you have seen the line you up with, you know,
Pavel the Goth, Medved. So I love running my own row.

(01:02:47):
What I love doing in the car, yeah, it was now a past you see,
like a group like Scally lads ofshouting Goths that or not the
Red falls off. What you mean?
What, you mean you just shout Goths?
That you go, you're fucking Goths.
They'll go oh. With the knock offs, Yeah, I
told you not to wear them. Fucking black Chinese.
I told you they were movies. Just glassed yourself up there

(01:03:10):
without fame. That was me, really.
That was good. There's There's a couple of good
moments where peace was restored, though.
When Finger, Jay-Z and Linkin Park did that versus Encore,
yeah, that was a peace treater. Between the Goths and the boys.

(01:03:34):
And Evanescence as well. Oh, yeah, Bring it back to life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know about that.
I don't know about that one. Swear down.
Yeah, you get Israel, the Palestine fellow.
Get him in a room. Play a better number versus
Encore. Let's hope so.
World Peace bro. Let's hope so.

(01:03:54):
Or we could just say pack it in.That's the message.
Pack it in. Pack it in.
Free Palestine. Yes, free Palestine, pack it in.
Forgot that episode. Nice one for coming on my mates,
it's an absolute pleasure. Go look for the clean, we'll be
watching and we could do a watchalong.

(01:04:15):
Maybe that'd be funny when I woke.
Up. Watch along for the Stasi QFC
clean. That's what's going.
That's our mate, that it's him. Don't come.
Don't. Come.
Nice one share good man. Appreciate that mate.
Good man right? Make sure you follow.
Share what you watching you follow you.
On the socials Shamrock UFC but on the Instagram Maxwell big man

(01:04:43):
Shamrock BJJJ. Right, it's OK.
Don't even make sense. Yeah, and they should give
followers clear if you're into the fight, fighting or if you're
not, go watch him because he'll put, he's always going to put on
a show. Shouts out Nabzies as well.
Shouts out nabzies. Yeah, shouts out head of foods.
Shouts out. Any 10 vodka?
Anyone else hear me? That fella opened the door for

(01:05:06):
me before shout out you. Yeah.
Here we go, shout out next Gen. Shout out next Gen., shout out
shout out Casablanca, shout out James Bond.
I reckon you just randomly shoutout one fan.
Hey Jan, I have your boss next James Bond, will I you?
Yeah. Villain no the James Bond, the

(01:05:27):
villain no the the Man. The good guy?
Yeah, lad. Do you think you're a good guy?
How do you give pure bad guy energy?
It's. To me.
Yeah, it's spin round on the chair now It's spin.
Round, let's be honest. He tries put the.
Cat on his lap now. Like, tell me he's not the bad
guy. He tries to as soon as like the
delivery driver goes. Ah, I've been expecting you, Mr.

(01:05:48):
Farooq. Thank you, reckon he's got more
Bond vibes than you. Yeah bro, look at them traps
breath. You're the villain, lad.
Really. Yeah, you're the villain,
therefore. Come on lads.
Nah, you can't be a villain withchops like this, Brick.
I'm getting off this. Fuck, that's that's maybe sad.
I thought I was a big character.Yeah.

(01:06:09):
No, sorry. OK, see you later.
Bye.