Why Improvise?

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STEVE TRESELER: Well, welcome to the Infinite (00:09):
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STEVE TRESELER: Improvisation Podcast (00:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: in Music and Creativity. (00:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: And I'm Steve Treseler reporting (00:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: from Seattle, and I am joined by (00:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: my co-host, Lauren Best. (00:17):
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STEVE TRESELER: All right, Lauren, we're doing it. (00:19):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, we are here! (00:20):
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LAUREN BEST: I'm in Owen Sound, Ontario, (00:21):
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LAUREN BEST: Canada, on the shores of Georgian (00:23):
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LAUREN BEST: Bay. All right. (00:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: Well, so in these first episodes (00:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: in this first season, you'll get to (00:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: know us a bit and find out what this (00:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: podcast is all about. (00:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: And yeah, Lauren, why don't you give (00:35):
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STEVE TRESELER: us that quick version of what (00:36):
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STEVE TRESELER: you do when you're not hosting a (00:38):
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STEVE TRESELER: podcast? (00:39):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah. So I'm a parent. (00:41):
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LAUREN BEST: I'm a poet. (00:43):
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LAUREN BEST: I am a musician. (00:45):
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LAUREN BEST: I teach piano and voice and (00:47):
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LAUREN BEST: ukulele, among other things. (00:49):
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LAUREN BEST: And I have a background as an (00:51):
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LAUREN BEST: interdisciplinary and community (00:52):
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LAUREN BEST: engaged artist. (00:54):
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LAUREN BEST: So I was Owen Sound's Poet Laureate (00:55):
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LAUREN BEST: for a period of time, and my tenure (00:56):
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LAUREN BEST: was focused on children. (00:58):
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LAUREN BEST: And I was exploring (00:59):
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LAUREN BEST: how to be creative and improvise (01:01):
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LAUREN BEST: and use words in new and different (01:04):
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LAUREN BEST: ways and in combination with (01:06):
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LAUREN BEST: music. I also teach (01:07):
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LAUREN BEST: every everything from babies, (01:10):
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LAUREN BEST: all across the lifespan, and I'm (01:12):
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LAUREN BEST: interested in collaboration (01:15):
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LAUREN BEST: and creativity in different ways (01:17):
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LAUREN BEST: to facilitate (01:19):
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LAUREN BEST: musical experiences and (01:21):
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LAUREN BEST: to catalyze learning for people. (01:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: How awesome. (01:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: Well, yeah, my (01:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: background is a whole lot different, (01:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: which is what will lead to some (01:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: interesting conversations, for sure. (01:34):
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STEVE TRESELER: But I'm a saxophonist and my (01:36):
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STEVE TRESELER: background is in jazz and improvised (01:38):
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STEVE TRESELER: music, and I identify (01:40):
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STEVE TRESELER: as a teaching artist because I (01:42):
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STEVE TRESELER: really have dual careers as both a (01:43):
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STEVE TRESELER: performing and recording artist and (01:45):
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STEVE TRESELER: have a bunch of projects and (01:46):
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STEVE TRESELER: a few few records out. (01:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: And also as a teacher (01:50):
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STEVE TRESELER: and on the education side, I've (01:52):
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STEVE TRESELER: really, (01:54):
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STEVE TRESELER: really committed to (01:56):
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STEVE TRESELER: teaching musical improvisation, (01:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: which started with training (01:59):
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STEVE TRESELER: jazz musicians and jazz programs. (02:01):
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STEVE TRESELER: But it's really expanded (02:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: expanded beyond that to helping (02:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: musicians some who are very (02:08):
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STEVE TRESELER: highly skilled at playing their (02:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: instruments but have only read music (02:11):
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STEVE TRESELER: off of the page to find (02:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: find ways to get them to start (02:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: improvising and creating their own (02:16):
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STEVE TRESELER: music, often outside of the jazz (02:17):
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STEVE TRESELER: context. (02:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: And I draw a lot from (02:20):
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STEVE TRESELER: some improv theater games (02:22):
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STEVE TRESELER: and some (02:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: more- (02:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: some more open and textural (02:30):
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STEVE TRESELER: approaches, and to build some (02:32):
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STEVE TRESELER: community through improvisation. (02:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: Not just putting people on the spot (02:35):
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STEVE TRESELER: playing solos, but making it a (02:37):
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STEVE TRESELER: community experience. (02:38):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, (02:41):
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LAUREN BEST: yeah, I think I think that's one (02:43):
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LAUREN BEST: thing. I think there are (02:45):
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LAUREN BEST: differences. But I think about like, (02:45):
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LAUREN BEST: what's the same between us is that (02:48):
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LAUREN BEST: kind of looking at community (02:50):
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LAUREN BEST: based- not just community based (02:52):
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LAUREN BEST: experiences, but also experiences (02:54):
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LAUREN BEST: that kind of create that (02:56):
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LAUREN BEST: sense of community. (02:58):
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LAUREN BEST: Or, or help cultivate that (02:59):
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LAUREN BEST: or build or strengthen or (03:01):
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LAUREN BEST: train how you think about (03:04):
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LAUREN BEST: that, that kind of thing, regardless (03:06):
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LAUREN BEST: of whether it's like the setting (03:08):
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LAUREN BEST: or the type of the type of person (03:10):
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LAUREN BEST: involved. (03:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: Absolutely. (03:14):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah. (03:14):
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LAUREN BEST: And I have a background too, as a as (03:17):
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LAUREN BEST: a songwriter and as a performer. (03:18):
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LAUREN BEST: But I think I have when we've (03:20):
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LAUREN BEST: talked about how (03:22):
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LAUREN BEST: when I've worked with folks, it's (03:24):
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LAUREN BEST: often been with non musicians. (03:25):
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LAUREN BEST: I work with musicians too. (03:27):
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LAUREN BEST: But I've I've done a (03:28):
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LAUREN BEST: fair bit of encouraging people (03:30):
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LAUREN BEST: who are not (03:32):
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LAUREN BEST: well acquainted with instruments, (03:35):
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LAUREN BEST: are not well acquainted with (03:36):
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LAUREN BEST: theater, are not well acquainted (03:37):
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LAUREN BEST: with poetry- to (03:38):
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LAUREN BEST: get in there and make some art (03:41):
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LAUREN BEST: happen. (03:42):
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STEVE TRESELER: Awesome. (03:45):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah. So today, (03:46):
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STEVE TRESELER: yeah, this episode we'd be talking (03:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: about why, like, why we're starting (03:50):
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STEVE TRESELER: a podcast, why this conversation is (03:51):
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STEVE TRESELER: important. (03:53):
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STEVE TRESELER: And one thing that's interesting (03:54):
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STEVE TRESELER: about our story, I mean, Lauren and (03:55):
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STEVE TRESELER: I, we just met maybe two months ago, (03:56):
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STEVE TRESELER: and now we're starting a podcast. (03:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: So like, why? (04:00):
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STEVE TRESELER: Why was that a good idea? (04:01):
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STEVE TRESELER: Why are we? Yeah, why are we doing (04:02):
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STEVE TRESELER: this? (04:03):
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LAUREN BEST: Why would we do this? (04:04):
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LAUREN BEST: Why would we like? (04:05):
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LAUREN BEST: And also, why would we connect (04:06):
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LAUREN BEST: across sort of genres, (04:09):
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LAUREN BEST: so to speak, right? (04:11):
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LAUREN BEST: Across across space and time? (04:12):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, across the country (04:15):
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LAUREN BEST: is right, and like (04:17):
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LAUREN BEST: why? Why would we feel that this (04:19):
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LAUREN BEST: that this is important in our very (04:21):
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LAUREN BEST: busy schedules? (04:22):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, very busy schedule. (04:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: And it didn't fit into our five year (04:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: plans, right? Because it is just (04:26):
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STEVE TRESELER: getting it, getting it going. (04:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: But yeah, we met on a it's actually (04:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: a mastermind talk with some music (04:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: teacher and other independent (04:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: business people. And yeah, connected (04:34):
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STEVE TRESELER: over topic of (04:35):
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STEVE TRESELER: yeah, of improvisation and (04:38):
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STEVE TRESELER: creativity. (04:39):
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STEVE TRESELER: And (04:41):
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STEVE TRESELER: I think when we had our first conversations (04:43):
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STEVE TRESELER: is interesting because our (04:44):
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STEVE TRESELER: backgrounds are totally different, (04:45):
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STEVE TRESELER: but there's really a lot of shared (04:46):
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STEVE TRESELER: values in our practices and how we (04:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: build community, value creativity (04:51):
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STEVE TRESELER: and students (04:54):
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STEVE TRESELER: ownership over their own, their own (04:56):
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STEVE TRESELER: music. And just made, (04:57):
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STEVE TRESELER: you know, and we had, I think and (05:00):
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STEVE TRESELER: our first conversation where, you (05:02):
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STEVE TRESELER: know, we're going on and on about (05:03):
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STEVE TRESELER: things, and I think you made the (05:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: comments like, Oh, we could talk for (05:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: an entire another. (05:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: You know, we talked for a whole (05:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: podcast episode and I was like, Hmm, (05:08):
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STEVE TRESELER: actually, maybe it would be cool (05:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: to record these, but yeah, what was (05:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: your, you know, your thoughts? (05:14):
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LAUREN BEST: I think I think if we like going (05:16):
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LAUREN BEST: back to the beginning, right, I (05:17):
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LAUREN BEST: think it's that (05:19):
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LAUREN BEST: like when you're in this, like (05:21):
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LAUREN BEST: when you're in positions of kind of (05:23):
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LAUREN BEST: creative leadership, right, where (05:24):
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LAUREN BEST: you're kind of like, it's a little (05:26):
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LAUREN BEST: bit of alchemy, right? (05:28):
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LAUREN BEST: In a way because you're you're (05:29):
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LAUREN BEST: working with with folks (05:30):
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LAUREN BEST: in ways that are sometimes seem very (05:33):
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LAUREN BEST: intangible, right? (05:34):
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LAUREN BEST: And sometimes on on the flip side, (05:35):
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LAUREN BEST: it can seem very like, (05:37):
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LAUREN BEST: like, very tangible. (05:39):
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LAUREN BEST: But like you can you learn to spot (05:42):
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LAUREN BEST: other people who have (05:44):
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LAUREN BEST: like the same values and like who (05:46):
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LAUREN BEST: see that and kind of who see how to (05:47):
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LAUREN BEST: work with that. And I think (05:49):
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LAUREN BEST: for me, at least, right, like once, (05:51):
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LAUREN BEST: once I kind of knew that you were (05:53):
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LAUREN BEST: you at the site, it (05:55):
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LAUREN BEST: was that it was your book (05:56):
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LAUREN BEST: part of it, right? (05:58):
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LAUREN BEST: Is that is that someone mentioned (05:59):
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LAUREN BEST: that you'd written this book that (06:01):
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LAUREN BEST: talked about creativity and (06:02):
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LAUREN BEST: improvisation. (06:04):
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LAUREN BEST: And so I knew someone I (06:05):
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LAUREN BEST: knew you or someone who is speaking (06:06):
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LAUREN BEST: the same language right to that, (06:07):
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LAUREN BEST: that wanting to wanting to catalyze (06:10):
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LAUREN BEST: that for the people going share and (06:12):
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LAUREN BEST: wanting to help other (06:13):
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LAUREN BEST: people have have those kinds of (06:15):
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LAUREN BEST: experiences. (06:17):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, and that (06:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: that a lot of the ideas or (06:22):
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STEVE TRESELER: philosophy we're talking about (06:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: totally on the same page, but our (06:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: experiences were completely (06:26):
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STEVE TRESELER: different with who were who we're (06:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: working with and it's just (06:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: interesting to hear, (06:30):
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STEVE TRESELER: yeah, your perspective (06:32):
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STEVE TRESELER: on that. And yes, (06:34):
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LAUREN BEST: yeah. And like for the why for (06:36):
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LAUREN BEST: us to talk to, I think it's that (06:38):
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LAUREN BEST: like we talked about building (06:40):
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LAUREN BEST: community, right? (06:41):
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LAUREN BEST: But I think sometimes like (06:42):
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LAUREN BEST: it gets lonely at the top. (06:44):
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LAUREN BEST: I mean, I don't actually mean (06:46):
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LAUREN BEST: that the way it would usually be (06:48):
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LAUREN BEST: said. But what I mean is that like (06:49):
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LAUREN BEST: when you're in those positions of (06:51):
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LAUREN BEST: creative leadership and helping (06:52):
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LAUREN BEST: guide people into risk and like, (06:53):
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LAUREN BEST: it's a lot of aspects (06:55):
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LAUREN BEST: to kind of to plan for and to like (06:57):
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LAUREN BEST: put a lot of heart into. (06:59):
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LAUREN BEST: And I think for me, at least, like I (07:00):
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LAUREN BEST: love talking to other folks who are (07:02):
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LAUREN BEST: who are doing that in terms of like (07:04):
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LAUREN BEST: designing that for themselves and (07:06):
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LAUREN BEST: for other people because it can get (07:07):
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LAUREN BEST: a little lonely, you (07:09):
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LAUREN BEST: know, like helping, helping kind of (07:11):
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LAUREN BEST: take other people into into (07:13):
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LAUREN BEST: risk-taking, help them feel safe, (07:15):
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LAUREN BEST: like help them, you know, (07:17):
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LAUREN BEST: kind of work through what might be (07:19):
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LAUREN BEST: really new for them creatively. (07:20):
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LAUREN BEST: And we end up like doing that (07:23):
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LAUREN BEST: ourselves. But we don't always have (07:24):
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LAUREN BEST: like someone to call up right after (07:26):
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LAUREN BEST: being like, Hey, you know, (07:28):
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LAUREN BEST: is like, we don't always know a ton (07:31):
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LAUREN BEST: of other people. (07:33):
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LAUREN BEST: I mean, you actually, (07:34):
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LAUREN BEST: we both know people who who do (07:36):
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LAUREN BEST: improvise, but I don't know if we (07:37):
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LAUREN BEST: talked to them as much. (07:39):
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STEVE TRESELER: Absolutely, and you know, both (07:42):
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STEVE TRESELER: of us are involved professionally in (07:44):
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STEVE TRESELER: music education, (07:45):
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STEVE TRESELER: and in some ways what we're doing is (07:49):
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STEVE TRESELER: not mainstream at all. (07:51):
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STEVE TRESELER: So we talk to other music teachers, (07:52):
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STEVE TRESELER: but a lot of them don't quite, (07:53):
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STEVE TRESELER: you know, get get what we're doing. (07:55):
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STEVE TRESELER: You know, more traditional methods, (07:57):
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STEVE TRESELER: you know, out of out of method books (07:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: and who knows, preparing for (08:00):
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STEVE TRESELER: auditions and competitions. (08:02):
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STEVE TRESELER: Right. So we can talk to other music (08:03):
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STEVE TRESELER: teachers, but we're not always on (08:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: the same page with some of these (08:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: ideas. So in some ways, (08:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: I'm very involved with a lot of (08:09):
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STEVE TRESELER: formal music programs, band and (08:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: orchestra programs at universities (08:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: and high schools. (08:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: And I love being involved (08:16):
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STEVE TRESELER: with those communities, but I like (08:18):
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STEVE TRESELER: bringing them something different. (08:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: I still feel a little bit of a (08:20):
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STEVE TRESELER: misfit or an outsider, even though (08:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: I'm there all the time. (08:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: So this is a good way for us to (08:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: connect and also to bring together (08:26):
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STEVE TRESELER: some of these other misfits. Or (08:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: people, it's like, OK, we don't (08:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: quite belong, you know, in (08:32):
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STEVE TRESELER: the, you know, not not a perfect (08:34):
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STEVE TRESELER: fit with mainstream music education, (08:36):
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STEVE TRESELER: but there's actually a lot of us out (08:38):
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STEVE TRESELER: there, I think. (08:39):
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STEVE TRESELER: So far, who we are speaking (08:40):
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STEVE TRESELER: to. (08:42):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, exactly. (08:43):
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LAUREN BEST: And I mean, I think that brings, (08:44):
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LAUREN BEST: you know, like that's but really (08:46):
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LAUREN BEST: like underscores the why for (08:48):
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LAUREN BEST: me in (08:49):
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LAUREN BEST: improv in terms of (08:52):
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LAUREN BEST: trying to provide (08:55):
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LAUREN BEST: spaces, containers (08:57):
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LAUREN BEST: like not necessarily physical (08:59):
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LAUREN BEST: spaces, right, but opportunities, (09:00):
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LAUREN BEST: whether that's like people together (09:03):
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LAUREN BEST: or whether that's even like over (09:05):
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LAUREN BEST: time, like asynchronously, (09:07):
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LAUREN BEST: like as someone's working even with (09:09):
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LAUREN BEST: their own personal practice, right? (09:11):
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LAUREN BEST: To have these kinds of (09:14):
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LAUREN BEST: musical experiences in ways that (09:16):
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LAUREN BEST: feel like valued and respected (09:18):
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LAUREN BEST: and where where (09:20):
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LAUREN BEST: we're holding the uncertainty (09:22):
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LAUREN BEST: of that, but also holding like the (09:25):
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LAUREN BEST: fun of that and the play of (09:26):
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LAUREN BEST: that and the joy of that, as well (09:28):
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LAUREN BEST: as like how (09:30):
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LAUREN BEST: it can be a powerful tool for (09:32):
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LAUREN BEST: learning. (09:33):
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LAUREN BEST: I I I find (09:35):
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LAUREN BEST: a lot of folks I talked to (09:37):
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LAUREN BEST: who went through music (09:39):
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LAUREN BEST: lessons as kids. (09:41):
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LAUREN BEST: And, you know, they're now like (09:42):
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LAUREN BEST: parents having their own kids go (09:43):
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LAUREN BEST: through music lessons or even adults (09:44):
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LAUREN BEST: who are taking music lessons. (09:46):
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LAUREN BEST: A lot of them have these like very (09:48):
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LAUREN BEST: traumatic experiences when it comes (09:49):
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LAUREN BEST: to music. (09:51):
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LAUREN BEST: And so I think trying (09:52):
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LAUREN BEST: to have the other misfits (09:54):
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LAUREN BEST: not feel like misfits, so to speak. (09:56):
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LAUREN BEST: Try to like integrate how how, (09:58):
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LAUREN BEST: um, like to me music. (10:01):
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LAUREN BEST: I hope that it becomes (10:04):
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LAUREN BEST: more of a welcoming space over time (10:06):
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LAUREN BEST: and a space (10:08):
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LAUREN BEST: where people aren't (10:10):
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LAUREN BEST: feeling that shut out or (10:12):
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LAUREN BEST: like they're misfits in some ways as (10:14):
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LAUREN BEST: as much. (10:16):
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STEVE TRESELER: So I wasn't planning on saying this, (10:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: but. OK, go go with (10:20):
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STEVE TRESELER: me for a second. (10:22):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, yeah. Being the Harley (10:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: Davidson of music education, just (10:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: that my one of my favorite thinkers (10:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: in the Seth Godin, he talks about (10:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: brands and he says that Harley (10:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: It's not about a bike. (10:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: It's about turning people who are (10:32):
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STEVE TRESELER: outsiders and misfits and (10:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: you know, counterculture. Suddenly, (10:35):
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STEVE TRESELER: they feel like they they belong to (10:36):
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STEVE TRESELER: something, you know, as part of (10:38):
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STEVE TRESELER: their own group or their community. (10:39):
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STEVE TRESELER: Not that I'm a biker or anything, (10:42):
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STEVE TRESELER: but anyway, I kind of like that that (10:44):
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STEVE TRESELER: idea, but some different different (10:45):
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STEVE TRESELER: ideas and communities can (10:47):
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STEVE TRESELER: can bring together. (10:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: And yeah, as you said, a lot of (10:50):
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STEVE TRESELER: people with traumatic (10:51):
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STEVE TRESELER: music, music backgrounds, (10:53):
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STEVE TRESELER: you know, having or (10:55):
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STEVE TRESELER: in a lot of times, people just being (10:57):
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STEVE TRESELER: very much forced into a slot. (10:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: You know, one of my colleagues out (11:00):
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STEVE TRESELER: here, Randy Halberstam, great, great (11:02):
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STEVE TRESELER: pianist and author. (11:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: When I was talking about my daughter (11:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: starting with piano, we talked about (11:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: kids. So often they go up to this (11:08):
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STEVE TRESELER: piano and they start banging on the (11:09):
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STEVE TRESELER: keys and you have got this (11:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: resonating box of sound in front of (11:11):
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STEVE TRESELER: you. Like giving you all this (11:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: feedback and then that's at the (11:14):
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STEVE TRESELER: moment they close and say, No, no, (11:16):
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STEVE TRESELER: no, that's not how you do it. (11:17):
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STEVE TRESELER: You know, you need to take lessons (11:18):
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STEVE TRESELER: and play it the right way. (11:20):
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STEVE TRESELER: And then it takes like 30 years to (11:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: get that relationship back with this (11:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: resonating box (11:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: of wood and strings in front of you. (11:27):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, yeah. (11:32):
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LAUREN BEST: It's like the question almost (11:33):
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LAUREN BEST: becomes not just why improvising (11:34):
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LAUREN BEST: or why improvisation? (11:37):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah , but like why not (11:39):
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LAUREN BEST: improvisation? (11:41):
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LAUREN BEST: Like why? (11:42):
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LAUREN BEST: When can improvising (11:44):
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LAUREN BEST: be like even more (11:46):
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LAUREN BEST: than not improvising? (11:48):
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LAUREN BEST: You know what I mean? Like, when can (11:50):
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LAUREN BEST: it be like, can it? (11:51):
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LAUREN BEST: Can it work in even more (11:52):
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LAUREN BEST: effective ways for helping people, (11:54):
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LAUREN BEST: you know, learn and explore and (11:56):
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LAUREN BEST: get the kinds of musical experiences (11:59):
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LAUREN BEST: they want to to (12:01):
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LAUREN BEST: happen? You know, and I think even (12:03):
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LAUREN BEST: within improvising to the in (12:04):
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LAUREN BEST: terms of why the podcast right (12:06):
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LAUREN BEST: is that like (12:08):
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LAUREN BEST: as as much as it's kind o f like (12:10):
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LAUREN BEST: oh, us lonely improvisers out there, (12:13):
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LAUREN BEST: there's there's also (12:14):
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LAUREN BEST: like there's there are- (12:16):
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LAUREN BEST: improvising is a lot of things, (12:18):
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LAUREN BEST: there are a lot of people who (12:20):
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LAUREN BEST: improvise, right? (12:21):
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LAUREN BEST: But I think for me, part of the why (12:22):
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LAUREN BEST: of the podcast is to kind of (12:23):
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LAUREN BEST: untangle what's going on (12:25):
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LAUREN BEST: with improvisation, how are people (12:27):
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LAUREN BEST: teaching this and like what are kind (12:28):
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LAUREN BEST: of the different ways in which (12:30):
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LAUREN BEST: I think like our (12:31):
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LAUREN BEST: very different backgrounds and kind (12:33):
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LAUREN BEST: of how we how we come into it (12:35):
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LAUREN BEST: is an interesting part of that for (12:38):
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LAUREN BEST: me. (12:40):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, (12:41):
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STEVE TRESELER: yeah. And in the world, so I (12:43):
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STEVE TRESELER: hang out in the Seattle community, I (12:45):
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STEVE TRESELER: hang out with lots of hang out with (12:47):
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STEVE TRESELER: lots of improvisers and jazz players (12:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: and I do a mix of, you (12:50):
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STEVE TRESELER: know, classic (12:51):
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STEVE TRESELER: jazz and some weird stuff and pop (12:53):
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STEVE TRESELER: and all of that. But as I move into (12:56):
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STEVE TRESELER: some of these, you know, music (12:59):
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STEVE TRESELER: schools or institutions, that's when (13:00):
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STEVE TRESELER: sort of fe els like, well. (13:03):
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STEVE TRESELER: The mainstream, is we're going to (13:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: learn our skills, we're going to (13:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: learn how to read and get (13:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: characteristic sounds on our (13:09):
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STEVE TRESELER: instruments and be a great ensemble (13:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: player. You know, all skills (13:11):
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STEVE TRESELER: that are (13:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: are awesome to have, but anything (13:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: that's OK, we're going to (13:17):
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STEVE TRESELER: have the students take some (13:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: ownership over the creative process (13:22):
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STEVE TRESELER: or we're going to improvise. (13:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: Well, that might be like a fun (13:26):
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STEVE TRESELER: enrichment thing if we have time, (13:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: but we have a festival to get ready (13:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: for. So then it's very much, (13:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: Oh, this is this thing might be (13:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: interesting, but we don't, you (13:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: know, we don't have time for it. (13:35):
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STEVE TRESELER: So it's, you know, the (13:36):
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STEVE TRESELER: why improvised part, at least in the (13:38):
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STEVE TRESELER: musical realm, which (13:39):
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STEVE TRESELER: is interesting that music is an art (13:41):
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STEVE TRESELER: form where very much is a (13:43):
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STEVE TRESELER: lot of musicians who are highly, (13:45):
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STEVE TRESELER: highly skilled. (13:46):
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STEVE TRESELER: But in Western music education, (13:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: maybe the idea of being creative (13:49):
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STEVE TRESELER: isn't isn't a priority for for (13:51):
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STEVE TRESELER: a lot of people. So if a lot of (13:53):
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STEVE TRESELER: folks were the creative decisions, (13:54):
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STEVE TRESELER: they're coming down from composers (13:56):
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STEVE TRESELER: and conductors. (13:57):
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STEVE TRESELER: And if we're talking in that, (13:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: in this, in this world where some (14:01):
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STEVE TRESELER: people don't, you know, that's a (14:02):
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STEVE TRESELER: great fit for some people, but other (14:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: people don't necessarily feel like (14:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: they're fully expressed that (14:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: they're looking for something else. (14:08):
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STEVE TRESELER: However, that is different. (14:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: You know, you're in the singer-songwriter (14:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: world and it's a different, you (14:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: know, that's a whole different, (14:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: whole different attitude people have (14:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: toward, you know, writing (14:17):
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STEVE TRESELER: their own music right off the bat. (14:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: But. (14:20):
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LAUREN BEST: Mhm. But I think even in that world, (14:21):
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LAUREN BEST: right part of it for me has (14:23):
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LAUREN BEST: become about (14:25):
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LAUREN BEST: recognizing (14:27):
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LAUREN BEST: music as a commodity, right? (14:29):
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LAUREN BEST: Music as ... (14:32):
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LAUREN BEST: so in the singer-songwriter world, (14:34):
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LAUREN BEST: it can very much be like musician (14:36):
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LAUREN BEST: as content creator, (14:38):
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LAUREN BEST: right? (14:40):
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LAUREN BEST: Music as a commodity to be sold. (14:41):
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LAUREN BEST: The expectation is often to have (14:44):
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LAUREN BEST: a large amount of upfront investment (14:47):
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LAUREN BEST: in time capital, (14:49):
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LAUREN BEST: the capital for production quality, (14:52):
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LAUREN BEST: you know, so I make an album, put it (14:54):
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LAUREN BEST: out there a lot, a lot invested (14:55):
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LAUREN BEST: upfront in that. (14:56):
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LAUREN BEST: And then, you know, trends (14:58):
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LAUREN BEST: and becoming a musician as (15:00):
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LAUREN BEST: entertainer, right? (15:02):
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LAUREN BEST: Like as a as a service, (15:03):
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LAUREN BEST: kind of. (15:05):
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LAUREN BEST: And then, you know, licensing music (15:06):
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LAUREN BEST: and things like that, too. (15:07):
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LAUREN BEST: But. (15:08):
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LAUREN BEST: And so there's that side (15:09):
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LAUREN BEST: of things with music, (15:11):
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LAUREN BEST: right? But then, (15:13):
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LAUREN BEST: I'm interested in like music (15:15):
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LAUREN BEST: as one, like (15:17):
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LAUREN BEST: kind of birthright like (15:19):
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LAUREN BEST: something that we do naturally. (15:21):
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LAUREN BEST: I worked a lot (15:23):
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LAUREN BEST: with babies and young children and (15:25):
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LAUREN BEST: like seeing what kind of (15:27):
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LAUREN BEST: both emerges naturally and what we (15:29):
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LAUREN BEST: can, what we can encourage in them, (15:31):
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LAUREN BEST: right? And also, music has like a (15:33):
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LAUREN BEST: tool, right? (15:34):
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LAUREN BEST: Like something that's accessible (15:35):
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LAUREN BEST: to everyone. (15:38):
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LAUREN BEST: Right. And how- what (15:39):
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LAUREN BEST: people want out of music, how people (15:41):
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LAUREN BEST: engage with music. (15:43):
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LAUREN BEST: There are a lot of options there. (15:45):
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LAUREN BEST: And as you're seeing the music as a (15:46):
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LAUREN BEST: skill, that's another one. (15:48):
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LAUREN BEST: Music has like a. (15:49):
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LAUREN BEST: Music as a measurable skill (15:52):
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LAUREN BEST: that we assign (15:55):
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LAUREN BEST: like excellence to that we assign (15:59):
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LAUREN BEST: like hierarchal, (16:01):
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LAUREN BEST: like hierarchical structures (16:03):
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LAUREN BEST: and like gatekeeping structures to (16:05):
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LAUREN BEST: write verses (16:06):
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LAUREN BEST: like how can everyone use music? (16:09):
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LAUREN BEST: And for me, that's a big part of the (16:12):
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LAUREN BEST: why is kind of opening some of those (16:13):
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LAUREN BEST: doors, both, as you're saying, for (16:15):
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LAUREN BEST: people who are musicians (16:17):
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LAUREN BEST: doing music all the time, (16:19):
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LAUREN BEST: but not necessarily having room (16:21):
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LAUREN BEST: to to improvise. (16:23):
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LAUREN BEST: And again, I think this is a part of (16:25):
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LAUREN BEST: the why for us, coming together (16:26):
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LAUREN BEST: like with art, with our different (16:28):
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LAUREN BEST: experiences, right? (16:29):
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LAUREN BEST: Like both people who are kind of (16:30):
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LAUREN BEST: experts and improvising (16:31):
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LAUREN BEST: in their own genre, but maybe (16:33):
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LAUREN BEST: like interest in different ways to (16:35):
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LAUREN BEST: go about it. (16:37):
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LAUREN BEST: And then folks who aren't musicians (16:38):
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LAUREN BEST: at all don't believe they're (16:40):
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LAUREN BEST: musicians and just they're not (16:42):
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LAUREN BEST: musicians, but they are actually (16:43):
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LAUREN BEST: improvisers and they're actually (16:45):
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LAUREN BEST: musical and they do musical things (16:47):
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LAUREN BEST: and like honoring (16:49):
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LAUREN BEST: that and working with that. (16:50):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, absolutely, because in my my (16:53):
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STEVE TRESELER: career largely I have been working (16:55):
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STEVE TRESELER: with musicians that have some (16:57):
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STEVE TRESELER: training, but I (16:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: definitely have thought about, Oh, (17:00):
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STEVE TRESELER: well, let's do some of these workshops (17:01):
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STEVE TRESELER: for people that don't identify as (17:02):
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STEVE TRESELER: musicians, and it's cool to hear (17:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: your experience already doing that (17:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: and facilitating those experiences. (17:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: But then it's you know, why is that (17:09):
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STEVE TRESELER: the case? You know, in so many other (17:11):
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STEVE TRESELER: cultures, everyone in the community (17:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: plays music. It's just part of (17:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: part of being in that the (17:16):
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STEVE TRESELER: the community, rather than some (17:18):
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STEVE TRESELER: Western cultures, it just seems (17:20):
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STEVE TRESELER: like, oh, well, you know, the arts (17:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: there, just for the experts and the (17:22):
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STEVE TRESELER: talented and the rest of us can (17:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: can watch like exactly how, (17:26):
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STEVE TRESELER: how did that happen and what can we (17:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: do to break out of that? (17:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: Because it's not, you know, that's (17:30):
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STEVE TRESELER: not that that doesn't have to be the (17:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: natural way things (17:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: are. (17:36):
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LAUREN BEST: yeah. And I think that (17:37):
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LAUREN BEST: like even for myself (17:39):
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LAUREN BEST: as a musician, I had a sense of (17:41):
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LAUREN BEST: not not feeling (17:43):
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LAUREN BEST: like improvising was always (17:45):
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LAUREN BEST: accessible to me and having a bit of (17:46):
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LAUREN BEST: a model from the folk and pop world (17:48):
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LAUREN BEST: and from the jazz world. (17:50):
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LAUREN BEST: I had a lot of jazz players (17:51):
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LAUREN BEST: playing my first album (17:53):
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LAUREN BEST: and it was amazing for me as a (17:56):
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LAUREN BEST: young musician to like, see (17:58):
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LAUREN BEST: people, you know, working (18:00):
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LAUREN BEST: and like such an incredibly skillful (18:02):
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LAUREN BEST: ways. (18:03):
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LAUREN BEST: But I definitely had a model in my (18:04):
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LAUREN BEST: mind despite having like a community (18:05):
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LAUREN BEST: improv for change like background (18:08):
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LAUREN BEST: with theater and things like that. (18:10):
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LAUREN BEST: But despite that, I kind of had this (18:11):
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LAUREN BEST: model musically of like the (18:13):
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LAUREN BEST: improviser as hired gun, (18:15):
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LAUREN BEST: right? Like like the kind (18:17):
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LAUREN BEST: of like extraordinary (18:19):
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LAUREN BEST: levels of skill and (18:20):
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LAUREN BEST: and it seemed really like (18:23):
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LAUREN BEST: unachievable to me if I'm honest, (18:25):
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LAUREN BEST: like it seemed like it was a sort of (18:26):
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LAUREN BEST: its I knew, of course, that I (18:29):
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LAUREN BEST: could study and I could like I could (18:31):
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LAUREN BEST: work towards that. (18:33):
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LAUREN BEST: But it also seemed like a very (18:34):
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LAUREN BEST: specific kind of skill (18:35):
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LAUREN BEST: that was not necessarily something (18:37):
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LAUREN BEST: that felt natural (18:39):
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LAUREN BEST: for sure, but that felt (18:41):
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LAUREN BEST: like accessible. (18:43):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, yeah, (18:44):
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STEVE TRESELER: absolutely. And our next episode are (18:46):
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STEVE TRESELER: going to talk more about the what (18:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: what is this podcast about? (18:49):
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STEVE TRESELER: What is improvisation? (18:50):
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STEVE TRESELER: So that's what you know what a lot (18:51):
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STEVE TRESELER: of people have the view as (18:52):
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STEVE TRESELER: an, as you know, as a jazz (18:54):
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STEVE TRESELER: musician, we think of improvising as (18:56):
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STEVE TRESELER: you're going to stand up and play a (18:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: solo and suddenly out of the sky, (18:59):
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STEVE TRESELER: some virtuosic melody (19:01):
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STEVE TRESELER: will will just magically (19:03):
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STEVE TRESELER: come out of the instrument. (19:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: So there's, you know, there (19:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: certainly that that type, you know, (19:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: the playing a solo type of (19:09):
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STEVE TRESELER: improvisation. But we're going to (19:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: look at other areas of improvisation (19:11):
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STEVE TRESELER: in life. I mean, musically, it could (19:14):
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STEVE TRESELER: just be the spark of creativity (19:16):
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STEVE TRESELER: that generates it could be, you (19:18):
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STEVE TRESELER: know, as a songwriter, the (19:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: improvising could be jamming around (19:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: with some ideas and then something (19:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: comes out that becomes a more (19:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: structured piece. (19:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: But I'll say that the improvisation (19:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: and day to day life, whether it's a (19:30):
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STEVE TRESELER: conversation like this or (19:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: I guess we got to save that for the (19:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: next episode, but looking at more (19:35):
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STEVE TRESELER: broad, looking narrowly and broadly (19:36):
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STEVE TRESELER: at what improvisation is in art and (19:38):
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STEVE TRESELER: and life. (19:40):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, well, and also as part of the (19:41):
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LAUREN BEST: why for the podcast, (19:43):
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LAUREN BEST: right, it's a bit of an and (19:45):
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LAUREN BEST: I, as you're saying on-air (19:47):
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LAUREN BEST: improvisation in the sense that, (19:48):
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LAUREN BEST: I mean, that's becoming more and (19:50):
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LAUREN BEST: more more common. (19:51):
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LAUREN BEST: I think right people are more and (19:52):
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LAUREN BEST: more acquainted with this idea (19:54):
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LAUREN BEST: of unscripted (19:56):
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LAUREN BEST: conversations like content creation, (19:58):
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LAUREN BEST: et cetera, et cetera. Like, I think (20:00):
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LAUREN BEST: that's I think that is shifting. (20:01):
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LAUREN BEST: But part (20:03):
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LAUREN BEST: of the why is modeling (20:05):
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LAUREN BEST: some of that within conversations (20:07):
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LAUREN BEST: and we have some other particular (20:09):
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LAUREN BEST: ideas down the road for (20:11):
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LAUREN BEST: things we can delve into. (20:13):
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LAUREN BEST: But I think to the why (20:15):
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LAUREN BEST: is that (20:17):
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LAUREN BEST: it kind of contradicts how I was (20:20):
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LAUREN BEST: saying was so lonely for us. (20:21):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, so lonely improvising out (20:22):
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LAUREN BEST: there alone. But I moreso mean (20:24):
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LAUREN BEST: so lonely in terms of someone to (20:27):
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LAUREN BEST: just be like, Hey, like, our (20:28):
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LAUREN BEST: improvising team. (20:30):
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LAUREN BEST: But I think actually, on (20:31):
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LAUREN BEST: the flipside of that, you and I both (20:33):
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LAUREN BEST: know a lot of really interesting (20:34):
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LAUREN BEST: who who are both excited to have (20:40):
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LAUREN BEST: conversations with. (20:42):
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LAUREN BEST: And we thought, Hey, maybe other (20:43):
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LAUREN BEST: people would also be excited to (20:44):
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LAUREN BEST: hear these conversations and explore (20:46):
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LAUREN BEST: some of these ideas? (20:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah. And maybe the lonely part even (20:50):
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STEVE TRESELER: was just sort of like, you know, as (20:52):
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STEVE TRESELER: we talk about facilitating some of (20:53):
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STEVE TRESELER: these improvisation experiences for (20:54):
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STEVE TRESELER: groups of people like, you know, as (20:56):
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STEVE TRESELER: we get more narrow into that niche (20:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: and our own practice, it's like (21:00):
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STEVE TRESELER: there's not tons of people (21:01):
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STEVE TRESELER: doing this and everyone's doing it (21:03):
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STEVE TRESELER: differently. And yeah again, another (21:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: reason to is the why. (21:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: There's some people I'd love to have (21:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: some conversations with. (21:08):
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STEVE TRESELER: And instead of just (21:09):
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STEVE TRESELER: calling them up and, you know, get a (21:11):
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STEVE TRESELER: lesson or, you know, pick their (21:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: brain, it's like, Well, come on our (21:14):
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STEVE TRESELER: podcast and you know, we'll be (21:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: we'll be doing lots of learning and (21:18):
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STEVE TRESELER: all kinds of amazing conversations (21:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: with interesting people. (21:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: So yeah we will have (21:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: some, some awesome guests. (21:26):
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LAUREN BEST: And also, go ahead. (21:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, go ahead on that part. (21:31):
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LAUREN BEST: So often to some (21:33):
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LAUREN BEST: of these experiences are very (21:35):
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LAUREN BEST: exactly that, experiential, like and (21:37):
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LAUREN BEST: what everyone's- what's going on for (21:39):
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LAUREN BEST: everyone in the moment doesn't (21:41):
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LAUREN BEST: always get like, talked about (21:43):
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LAUREN BEST: in a kind of (21:45):
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LAUREN BEST: reflective way. Like, I, you know, (21:47):
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LAUREN BEST: you and I, as facilitators, both (21:49):
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LAUREN BEST: have an interest in that side of (21:50):
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LAUREN BEST: things and kind of the philosophy of it, right? (21:52):
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LAUREN BEST: But a lot of it is about doing the (21:54):
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LAUREN BEST: thing, not talking about the thing, (21:56):
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LAUREN BEST: and it's it's powerful (21:58):
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LAUREN BEST: to have a space for (22:01):
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LAUREN BEST: talking about the doing of the thing (22:03):
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LAUREN BEST: and talking about kind of like the (22:05):
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LAUREN BEST: emerging pedagogy of that and (22:07):
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LAUREN BEST: how we find it useful for (22:12):
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LAUREN BEST: ourselves, for (22:14):
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LAUREN BEST: those around us, (22:16):
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LAUREN BEST: in our own lives. (22:18):
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LAUREN BEST: But I think also comparing (22:20):
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LAUREN BEST: some of those differences, right, (22:22):
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LAUREN BEST: like we come in, we when we talk (22:23):
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LAUREN BEST: about that loneliness of (22:24):
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LAUREN BEST: facilitation or of leading, (22:25):
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LAUREN BEST: in some ways, it's like the least (22:28):
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LAUREN BEST: lonely thing. You get this energy (22:29):
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LAUREN BEST: from the from from people who are (22:31):
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LAUREN BEST: trusting you, you're trusting (22:32):
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LAUREN BEST: them. (22:34):
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LAUREN BEST: It's like this really powerful (22:35):
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LAUREN BEST: exchange in some ways. (22:36):
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LAUREN BEST: It's like in some ways, it's why (22:37):
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LAUREN BEST: I became interested (22:39):
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LAUREN BEST: in ensemble work, in improv and (22:41):
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LAUREN BEST: in that sort of thing. (22:44):
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LAUREN BEST: Like I was saying, partially through (22:45):
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LAUREN BEST: theater. (22:46):
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LAUREN BEST: In some ways, it's so connected, so (22:47):
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LAUREN BEST: not lonely. But on the other hand, (22:49):
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LAUREN BEST: we're all kind of each having our (22:51):
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LAUREN BEST: individual experiences, right? (22:53):
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LAUREN BEST: And so like, we're all kind of (22:54):
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LAUREN BEST: exploring like the risks (22:55):
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LAUREN BEST: and the benefits and (22:58):
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LAUREN BEST: the kind of meaning in our own lives (23:00):
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LAUREN BEST: or our own artistic practice in (23:02):
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LAUREN BEST: in these ways that sort of ripple (23:04):
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LAUREN BEST: out but don't always get (23:05):
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LAUREN BEST: unpacked right. (23:08):
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LAUREN BEST: We come together. We we do these (23:09):
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LAUREN BEST: kind of extraordinary in a way. (23:11):
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LAUREN BEST: Sometimes we are. (23:13):
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LAUREN BEST: Well, let's hope it's actually just (23:15):
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LAUREN BEST: like an everyday kind of (23:16):
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LAUREN BEST: extraordinary but extraordinary that (23:17):
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LAUREN BEST: we're able to do these things right, (23:18):
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LAUREN BEST: come together and be creative in (23:20):
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LAUREN BEST: those ways. (23:21):
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LAUREN BEST: But then it's like, you know, we (23:22):
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LAUREN BEST: each go and make our own spiderwebs (23:23):
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LAUREN BEST: and late. (23:26):
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LAUREN BEST: Like, How how does all that fit (23:26):
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LAUREN BEST: together? (23:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah. And Tha-, and sometimes we're (23:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: on our own when it comes to- again, (23:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: if we're feel like engaging with (23:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: other music teachers or people in (23:35):
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STEVE TRESELER: the system kind of saying, OK, well, (23:37):
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STEVE TRESELER: why you know why this is valuable, (23:38):
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STEVE TRESELER: why it's relevant, why it's (23:39):
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STEVE TRESELER: important, even though it's kind of (23:41):
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STEVE TRESELER: outside outside of the mainstream. (23:42):
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STEVE TRESELER: So. (23:44):
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LAUREN BEST: Mm hmm. So why is why (23:44):
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LAUREN BEST: is it valuable, relevant and (23:46):
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LAUREN BEST: important? (23:48):
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LAUREN BEST: And why is it outside of the (23:50):
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LAUREN BEST: mainstream? (23:51):
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STEVE TRESELER: Oh, I don't know. (23:52):
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STEVE TRESELER: That might be above my pay grade. (23:54):
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STEVE TRESELER: OK, the way episode's getting (23:55):
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STEVE TRESELER: deeper. Oh yeah. (23:56):
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STEVE TRESELER: So yeah, well, maybe it was a (23:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: partially answer this, but (24:00):
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STEVE TRESELER: I wanted to touch on is, you know (24:02):
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STEVE TRESELER: what? (24:03):
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STEVE TRESELER: Why you know why? (24:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: Why? Why are we starting this thing? (24:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: We're we're busy, folks with lots (24:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: of other projects in the works? (24:09):
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STEVE TRESELER: You know, how many unfinished (24:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: projects do we have between the two (24:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: of us? (24:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: Probably. Probably a lot like why (24:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: are we prioritizing this? (24:16):
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STEVE TRESELER: And this will get (24:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: back to some of what you're asking. (24:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: But for me, there's this well, this (24:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: word that's come up in our conversation (24:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: is alignment. There's a bunch of (24:26):
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STEVE TRESELER: values and things that are all (24:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: coming together. (24:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: Like, first of all, for me, like (24:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: this, these conversations are (24:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: enjoyable. Like, I like talking (24:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: about these things with interesting (24:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: people, you know, even if no one was (24:34):
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STEVE TRESELER: listening, which is a good way to (24:36):
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STEVE TRESELER: start a podcast because for a while, (24:37):
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STEVE TRESELER: you know, might be a while before (24:39):
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STEVE TRESELER: lots of people are listening. (24:40):
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STEVE TRESELER: But also, you know, this purpose (24:41):
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STEVE TRESELER: that I mean, for me, some of the why (24:43):
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STEVE TRESELER: this is important to help. (24:45):
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STEVE TRESELER: They touched on before musicians be (24:46):
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STEVE TRESELER: more, be more fully expressed (24:47):
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STEVE TRESELER: as artists and individuals, but also (24:49):
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STEVE TRESELER: connected with each other and being (24:51):
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STEVE TRESELER: having some more ownership over the (24:53):
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STEVE TRESELER: creative process and what they're (24:55):
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STEVE TRESELER: expressing. (24:56):
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STEVE TRESELER: That's such an important part of (24:57):
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STEVE TRESELER: of the process. (24:59):
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STEVE TRESELER: And also this alignment, you know, (25:03):
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STEVE TRESELER: we're both artists and independent (25:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: businesspeople. Right. (25:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: So as you're touching on this idea (25:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: of content creation, (25:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: but there's a strategy for creating (25:09):
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STEVE TRESELER: some interesting media, you know, (25:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: this time with the technology, it (25:14):
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STEVE TRESELER: really allows us to start our (25:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: own media channel. (25:17):
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STEVE TRESELER: You know, it's an opportunity, but (25:18):
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STEVE TRESELER: it's something that should really (25:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: seize upon. We don't need permission (25:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: from a gatekeeper. (25:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: Mm hmm. (25:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: But doing these types of things, it (25:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: helps us. It can lead to more (25:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: artistic or, you know, business (25:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: opportunities in the future. (25:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: Just like, you know, being able to (25:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: share things like that e-book that I (25:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: put together, I was able to share it (25:34):
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STEVE TRESELER: with you. And then, you know, you (25:36):
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STEVE TRESELER: saw that we're on the same page with (25:37):
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STEVE TRESELER: a lot of things and it led to led to (25:38):
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STEVE TRESELER: this, this connection. (25:40):
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STEVE TRESELER: Mm hmm. (25:42):
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STEVE TRESELER: Anyway, that's part that's part of (25:43):
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STEVE TRESELER: that purpose of that. (25:44):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, this is important work, but (25:45):
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STEVE TRESELER: it's also, you know, it's also fun (25:46):
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STEVE TRESELER: to do and strategically can help us. (25:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, both in our careers, which (25:50):
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STEVE TRESELER: was partly a part of the why and (25:52):
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STEVE TRESELER: why, you know, and while we had some (25:53):
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STEVE TRESELER: enthusiasm behind it and like, well, (25:55):
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STEVE TRESELER: let's. (25:56):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, let's get it rolling. (25:58):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, and having to like when you're (25:59):
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LAUREN BEST: like committing to your (26:01):
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LAUREN BEST: artistic practice, teaching (26:03):
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LAUREN BEST: practice, right, and you're trying (26:04):
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LAUREN BEST: to bring like enthusiasm and heart (26:06):
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LAUREN BEST: to that every day, but not just (26:08):
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LAUREN BEST: the enthusiasm and heart, but you're (26:09):
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LAUREN BEST: also trying bring wind for the (26:11):
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LAUREN BEST: sails, right? Like sails. (26:12):
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LAUREN BEST: We need some wind, you know, and (26:14):
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LAUREN BEST: we're trying. We're we're trying to (26:15):
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LAUREN BEST: keep that going and having (26:17):
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LAUREN BEST: someone else that we're where (26:19):
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LAUREN BEST: we amplify each (26:21):
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LAUREN BEST: other's values in that way, right, (26:23):
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LAUREN BEST: where it becomes (26:24):
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LAUREN BEST: not only our efforts in our (26:27):
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LAUREN BEST: businesses or careers or practices (26:30):
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LAUREN BEST: or however communities (26:32):
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LAUREN BEST: how we frame that. (26:34):
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LAUREN BEST: But taking the (26:35):
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LAUREN BEST: what we're doing and where we're (26:37):
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LAUREN BEST: we're kind of feeding, (26:38):
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LAUREN BEST: try what we're trying to feed and (26:40):
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LAUREN BEST: nourish and bring up, right and (26:42):
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LAUREN BEST: having, you know, (26:45):
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LAUREN BEST: having the fun of bringing that (26:47):
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LAUREN BEST: together, but also having the (26:49):
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LAUREN BEST: the bolstering and (26:50):
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LAUREN BEST: the amplification of bringing (26:52):
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LAUREN BEST: that together. I know when I see (26:54):
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LAUREN BEST: other folks doing good work, (26:56):
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LAUREN BEST: I want to help them. (26:59):
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LAUREN BEST: Hey, when you see someone doing good (27:00):
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LAUREN BEST: stuff, you want it to be (27:02):
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LAUREN BEST: easier for them. (27:05):
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LAUREN BEST: You want them to be able to reach (27:06):
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LAUREN BEST: more people, you want them to be (27:07):
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LAUREN BEST: effective, right? (27:08):
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LAUREN BEST: And so I (27:09):
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LAUREN BEST: want that for myself, too, and (27:11):
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LAUREN BEST: I want that for you. (27:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: Please help us. (27:15):
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LAUREN BEST: Please help us help each other (27:18):
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LAUREN BEST: live. (27:20):
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LAUREN BEST: And actually, you mentioned (27:22):
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LAUREN BEST: something in there really quickly. (27:23):
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LAUREN BEST: You're like musicians being (27:25):
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LAUREN BEST: better, which I consider. (27:26):
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LAUREN BEST: I guess that's another thing. (27:28):
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LAUREN BEST: Who is a musician? (27:29):
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LAUREN BEST: When I say musicians, I mean it (27:31):
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LAUREN BEST: to mean all humans, (27:33):
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LAUREN BEST: but I also get it to be, you know, I (27:36):
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LAUREN BEST: mean it pretty broadly. (27:38):
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LAUREN BEST: But so (27:39):
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LAUREN BEST: helping people, let's say, be (27:42):
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LAUREN BEST: more connected to themselves and (27:44):
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LAUREN BEST: more connected to each other. (27:46):
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LAUREN BEST: I might be paraphrasing your words a (27:47):
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LAUREN BEST: little. (27:49):
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LAUREN BEST: I just want to say it again because (27:50):
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LAUREN BEST: you said it quickly. But I think (27:51):
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LAUREN BEST: there's like so much (27:52):
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LAUREN BEST: there for me at least. (27:54):
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LAUREN BEST: And I think I think that improvising (27:55):
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LAUREN BEST: because it brings us into, (27:58):
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LAUREN BEST: well, actually- they have studied (28:01):
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LAUREN BEST: this and helps us, you know, come (28:03):
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LAUREN BEST: into the present moment (28:05):
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LAUREN BEST: more and have our inner critic (28:07):
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LAUREN BEST: like inner judge kind (28:09):
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LAUREN BEST: of tone down a little so that we can (28:10):
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LAUREN BEST: access our creativity in different (28:12):
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LAUREN BEST: ways, right? And I think that. (28:14):
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LAUREN BEST: That and accessing (28:16):
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LAUREN BEST: that place can teach us a lot about (28:18):
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LAUREN BEST: ourselves. But I think also when (28:20):
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LAUREN BEST: we're not quite there yet in (28:21):
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LAUREN BEST: terms of like, it's still (28:23):
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LAUREN BEST: uncomfortable. (28:24):
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LAUREN BEST: We have not turned off our inner (28:25):
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LAUREN BEST: critic. (28:27):
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LAUREN BEST: We're not like totally in (28:28):
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LAUREN BEST: that zone. I was describing it, I (28:30):
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LAUREN BEST: think, and I say we I (28:32):
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LAUREN BEST: mean as facilitators, but also (28:34):
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LAUREN BEST: like, you know, for participants, (28:35):
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LAUREN BEST: both musicians and people who don't (28:37):
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LAUREN BEST: consider themselves musicians but (28:39):
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LAUREN BEST: are trying out this improvising (28:40):
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LAUREN BEST: thing. I think the process of trying (28:41):
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LAUREN BEST: to get there can teach us (28:42):
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LAUREN BEST: a lot. And I think that process (28:44):
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LAUREN BEST: can be a model for other kinds of (28:46):
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LAUREN BEST: learning and other kinds of (28:48):
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LAUREN BEST: personal, you know, personal (28:52):
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LAUREN BEST: development and personal (28:53):
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LAUREN BEST: transformation. (28:54):
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LAUREN BEST: And we can kind of like it can be (28:56):
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LAUREN BEST: these little moments that are (28:57):
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LAUREN BEST: valuable in and of themselves, but (28:58):
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LAUREN BEST: also really help contribute (29:00):
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LAUREN BEST: to our skills. (29:02):
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LAUREN BEST: I feel just as people (29:03):
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LAUREN BEST: in terms of like creative skills (29:07):
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LAUREN BEST: and empathetic skills and (29:09):
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LAUREN BEST: communication like things that (29:10):
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LAUREN BEST: aren't musical right, but also (29:11):
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LAUREN BEST: contribute to the musical skills and (29:14):
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LAUREN BEST: contribute to those things we were (29:15):
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LAUREN BEST: talking about . Where or sometimes (29:16):
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LAUREN BEST: the focus is on skills and not (29:18):
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LAUREN BEST: improvising, but I think that, (29:20):
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LAUREN BEST: yes, let's still do that. (29:22):
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LAUREN BEST: But I think that the improvising can (29:24):
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LAUREN BEST: be incredibly supportive of that. (29:25):
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LAUREN BEST: It's not like a separate thing. (29:27):
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LAUREN BEST: It's not siloed, even though it's (29:28):
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LAUREN BEST: sometimes been treated that way. (29:30):
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LAUREN BEST: I think that it can really (29:31):
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LAUREN BEST: be like a force for building (29:33):
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LAUREN BEST: and a force for kind of creating (29:35):
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LAUREN BEST: strong foundations (29:37):
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LAUREN BEST: and for building things up in (29:39):
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LAUREN BEST: interesting ways, both for that (29:40):
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LAUREN BEST: personal connection, but also for (29:42):
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LAUREN BEST: communities and for cultural shifts (29:44):
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LAUREN BEST: and for just connecting with other (29:46):
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LAUREN BEST: people like in that in that kind (29:47):
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LAUREN BEST: of bigger way. (29:49):
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LAUREN BEST: So that's one of the things that really (29:50):
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LAUREN BEST: excites me is that (29:51):
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LAUREN BEST: in the in the podcast, right, like (29:53):
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LAUREN BEST: each of us having our our own (29:55):
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LAUREN BEST: practices, I guess (29:57):
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LAUREN BEST: I think each of us is if there's (29:59):
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LAUREN BEST: more than just you and I, but like (30:00):
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LAUREN BEST: guests too, but particularly like (30:01):
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LAUREN BEST: you and I have our own practices, (30:03):
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LAUREN BEST: how those intersect, you know what (30:05):
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LAUREN BEST: happens there, how those can be (30:06):
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LAUREN BEST: amplified, but also like (30:08):
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LAUREN BEST: within our practices and within (30:10):
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LAUREN BEST: ourselves, right? (30:11):
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LAUREN BEST: The kind of spiraling out of that (30:12):
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LAUREN BEST: like personal change (30:14):
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LAUREN BEST: and then like the larger kind (30:17):
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LAUREN BEST: of cultural shifts. (30:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah. (30:20):
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STEVE TRESELER: Wow. (30:22):
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STEVE TRESELER: OK, well, a lot there I want to (30:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: respond to, I should have taken some (30:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: notes. That's awesome. (30:26):
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STEVE TRESELER: But yeah, the idea of people not (30:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: associating themselves as - oh, (30:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: I'm not a not a musician like we can (30:30):
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STEVE TRESELER: work with, certainly with non (30:32):
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STEVE TRESELER: musicians who haven't played before, (30:34):
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STEVE TRESELER: but some people that have some (30:35):
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STEVE TRESELER: skill, but they don't consider (30:36):
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STEVE TRESELER: themselves, Oh, I'm not worthy of (30:37):
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STEVE TRESELER: the title of musician. (30:39):
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STEVE TRESELER: That had come up when I had a (30:40):
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STEVE TRESELER: description for a workshop, I was (30:41):
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STEVE TRESELER: doing. Oh yeah, this is for (30:43):
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STEVE TRESELER: musicians doing this. (30:44):
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STEVE TRESELER: And someone said, Oh, careful, like (30:45):
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STEVE TRESELER: some people might not think they're (30:47):
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STEVE TRESELER: good enough to have the title (30:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: musician. I was like, What if you, (30:50):
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STEVE TRESELER: you know, play or sing music? (30:52):
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STEVE TRESELER: You're you're a musician and (30:53):
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STEVE TRESELER: everyone's a musician. (30:55):
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STEVE TRESELER: But for me, maybe that's like the (30:57):
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STEVE TRESELER: title of athlete or something. (30:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: It's like, OK, I'm active, and I go, (30:59):
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STEVE TRESELER: do this like, Oh, but I'm not- (31:00):
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STEVE TRESELER: certainly not an athlete, you know, (31:02):
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STEVE TRESELER: that's for, yeah, you know, that's (31:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: for the the elite level. (31:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: And that people have that same, (31:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: that same thought about (31:09):
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STEVE TRESELER: the title musician. (31:11):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah. And that's interesting, right? (31:13):
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LAUREN BEST: Like, am I an athlete? (31:14):
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LAUREN BEST: I don't know. Right. (31:17):
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LAUREN BEST: Like, I kind of go after myself. (31:18):
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LAUREN BEST: I would usually say, like, I would (31:20):
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LAUREN BEST: usually say no. (31:22):
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LAUREN BEST: I would usually preface things by (31:22):
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LAUREN BEST: saying no, right? (31:24):
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LAUREN BEST: But at what point would I become an (31:26):
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LAUREN BEST: athlete? (31:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: I does that? (31:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: I think that's interesting because (31:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: now that can give us the same (31:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: feeling as other people might have (31:32):
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STEVE TRESELER: about musician. Yeah, you know. (31:33):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, totally. (31:35):
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LAUREN BEST: And I and as I said, I'm not, (31:36):
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LAUREN BEST: I'm not saying, let's take the skill (31:38):
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LAUREN BEST: of music and throw it out the window. (31:40):
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LAUREN BEST: Let's take musical skill and (31:42):
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LAUREN BEST: tradition. And, we don't need (31:43):
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LAUREN BEST: that. That's not what I'm saying at (31:45):
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LAUREN BEST: all. But I think that like (31:46):
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LAUREN BEST: sometimes how we imagine (31:48):
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LAUREN BEST: music and how we've imagine being a (31:50):
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LAUREN BEST: musician and how we've imagined (31:52):
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LAUREN BEST: participating in music as (31:54):
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LAUREN BEST: a culture has become (31:55):
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LAUREN BEST: very strange. (31:59):
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LAUREN BEST: And, you know, like where (31:59):
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LAUREN BEST: people feel we give themselves (32:01):
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LAUREN BEST: permission and don't and and (32:03):
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LAUREN BEST: how we kind of like (32:05):
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LAUREN BEST: like pull back of like, Oh, don't (32:07):
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LAUREN BEST: be thinking that I have skills (32:10):
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LAUREN BEST: or talent, you (32:12):
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LAUREN BEST: know, with air quotes or (32:14):
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LAUREN BEST: or expertize or, (32:17):
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LAUREN BEST: you know, I find that people often (32:19):
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LAUREN BEST: really take a step back from (32:20):
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LAUREN BEST: from that kind of ownership (32:22):
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LAUREN BEST: and participation in that. (32:24):
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LAUREN BEST: And as you were saying, I think for (32:27):
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LAUREN BEST: both of us, we found that putting (32:28):
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LAUREN BEST: some of that ownership, kind of (32:29):
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LAUREN BEST: volleying it back to people, whether (32:31):
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LAUREN BEST: it's people that already consider (32:32):
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LAUREN BEST: themselves musicians or whether (32:34):
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LAUREN BEST: it's people who really (32:36):
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LAUREN BEST: don't. And it's like, Hey, (32:38):
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LAUREN BEST: here's an opportunity to try. (32:40):
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LAUREN BEST: Like instead of kind of saying, Oh, (32:42):
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LAUREN BEST: I'm I'm really like, (32:44):
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LAUREN BEST: I'm really not a cook. (32:46):
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LAUREN BEST: I will never touch food again. (32:47):
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LAUREN BEST: You know, it's like, it's like, how (32:49):
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LAUREN BEST: can we how can we (32:51):
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LAUREN BEST: still respect scale and tradition (32:53):
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LAUREN BEST: and still build that, but also make (32:55):
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LAUREN BEST: it possible to benefit from music (32:57):
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LAUREN BEST: more faster for folks? (32:59):
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LAUREN BEST: Because I think that the world needs (33:01):
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LAUREN BEST: that, and I think the more we can (33:03):
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LAUREN BEST: help people enjoy life (33:04):
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LAUREN BEST: more and suffer less. (33:06):
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LAUREN BEST: I want to do that. (33:08):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, absolutely, and when it comes (33:11):
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STEVE TRESELER: to the skill. Yeah, and not saying, (33:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: oh, we should be doing improvising (33:14):
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STEVE TRESELER: instead of skills so that can all be (33:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: linked together for how we do, you (33:17):
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STEVE TRESELER: know how we develop skills (33:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: using.That's something for a future (33:20):
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STEVE TRESELER: episode. This idea that I use with (33:22):
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STEVE TRESELER: some students called you know, goal (33:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: oriented play where it's, (33:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: where we're playing and we're (33:26):
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STEVE TRESELER: improvising, but all around because (33:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: building a specific skill and in (33:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: some ways you can learn it more (33:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: deeply, you know, like language when (33:32):
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STEVE TRESELER: you're experimenting from all (33:34):
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STEVE TRESELER: different, all different angles. (33:35):
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STEVE TRESELER: But music is (33:37):
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STEVE TRESELER: is interesting where you have you (33:40):
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STEVE TRESELER: have artists who are very much (33:42):
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STEVE TRESELER: to maybe have alluded to before, (33:45):
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STEVE TRESELER: focused on very much on the (33:46):
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STEVE TRESELER: skills and less on the creativity (33:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: where it's maybe not the same with (33:50):
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STEVE TRESELER: with some some visual arts, where (33:52):
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STEVE TRESELER: you're just learning skill, skill, (33:54):
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STEVE TRESELER: skill, skill, skill and (33:55):
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STEVE TRESELER: there's less. (33:57):
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STEVE TRESELER: You know, doing well, you know, I've (33:59):
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STEVE TRESELER: known some actually, I've known some (34:00):
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STEVE TRESELER: painters like that who are highly (34:01):
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STEVE TRESELER: skilled at copying a photograph or (34:02):
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STEVE TRESELER: something, but if it comes to (34:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: creating their own thing, you know, (34:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: I've got. (34:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: You know, it's not the improvisation (34:08):
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STEVE TRESELER: skills to to to (34:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: try it or maybe with cooking like (34:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: you brought up people that can (34:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: follow a recipe and make great food. (34:14):
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STEVE TRESELER: But I'm not a chef, you know, I (34:16):
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STEVE TRESELER: couldn't create my own, (34:17):
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STEVE TRESELER: my own recipe. (34:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: So I guess there are some (34:20):
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STEVE TRESELER: connections there. (34:21):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah. And I think about other art (34:22):
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LAUREN BEST: forms too, like comedy, improv, (34:24):
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LAUREN BEST: right? And, or (34:27):
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LAUREN BEST: comedy, not improv. (34:28):
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LAUREN BEST: Right? Or we think about, you know, (34:31):
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LAUREN BEST: like sketch comedy and (34:32):
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LAUREN BEST: and I think that's (34:35):
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LAUREN BEST: I know we're both interested in (34:37):
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LAUREN BEST: improv not only for music, but (34:39):
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LAUREN BEST: what we can learn from other art (34:41):
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LAUREN BEST: forms and how other art forms (34:43):
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LAUREN BEST: approach. Approach it right and (34:46):
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LAUREN BEST: how, like what the intersections (34:48):
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LAUREN BEST: are, what the differences are. (34:50):
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LAUREN BEST: And also using other art forms, (34:52):
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LAUREN BEST: like you were saying, using theater (34:54):
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LAUREN BEST: games. (34:55):
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LAUREN BEST: In music, right? (34:56):
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LAUREN BEST: Like just just crossover, (34:57):
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LAUREN BEST: too. (34:59):
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LAUREN BEST: And like how we can how we can bring (35:00):
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LAUREN BEST: in some of those, (35:02):
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LAUREN BEST: some of those other aspects to help (35:04):
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LAUREN BEST: us experience music a little (35:06):
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LAUREN BEST: differently than we might otherwise. (35:08):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, (35:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: absolutely. And things. (35:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: That's one reason I like drawing on (35:14):
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STEVE TRESELER: that because some people are familiar (35:16):
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STEVE TRESELER: with improv, improv games, sketch (35:17):
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STEVE TRESELER: comedy and bringing that into music. (35:18):
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STEVE TRESELER: It kind of makes it a little bit (35:20):
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STEVE TRESELER: lighter. And you know, people have (35:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: seen "Whose line is it anyways", we (35:22):
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STEVE TRESELER: can do that with music, and there's (35:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: just less less pressure (35:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: on people to somehow improvise (35:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: some, you know, precious work (35:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: of art like, Hey, we're just we're (35:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: playing with some of these with (35:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: some of these concepts. (35:35):
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STEVE TRESELER: But yeah, we can what we can learn a (35:36):
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STEVE TRESELER: lot from being multidisciplinary. (35:37):
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LAUREN BEST: Mm-Hmm. (35:38):
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LAUREN BEST: Well, I think it helps that music (35:39):
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LAUREN BEST: isn't language. (35:41):
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LAUREN BEST: Well, it depends on who you (35:42):
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LAUREN BEST: ask music is very language based. (35:44):
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LAUREN BEST: But that we can (35:48):
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LAUREN BEST: in some cases, like, say, music (35:50):
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LAUREN BEST: can be very infused with language, (35:53):
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LAUREN BEST: but we can also kind of separate (35:54):
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LAUREN BEST: it from language a bit right. (35:56):
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LAUREN BEST: And like in our school system, (35:58):
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LAUREN BEST: we're very much rewarded (36:00):
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LAUREN BEST: for being. (36:02):
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LAUREN BEST: I learned a new word - hyper lexical (36:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: woah (36:06):
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LAUREN BEST: for being, you know, like just very (36:07):
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LAUREN BEST: like, very kind of focused (36:10):
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LAUREN BEST: on reading, writing, absorbing (36:12):
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LAUREN BEST: auditory information, regurgitating (36:14):
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LAUREN BEST: auditory information and kind of, (36:15):
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LAUREN BEST: you know, being able to produce very (36:18):
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LAUREN BEST: specific information at very (36:20):
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LAUREN BEST: specific times. (36:22):
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LAUREN BEST: And that's kind of what we're (36:24):
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LAUREN BEST: rewarded for and what we're punished (36:26):
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LAUREN BEST: for not doing right. (36:27):
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LAUREN BEST: And I think (36:29):
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LAUREN BEST: what can help with music is (36:31):
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LAUREN BEST: it can help open our minds to, you (36:33):
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LAUREN BEST: know, a greater spectrum of (36:35):
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LAUREN BEST: possible correct answers, right? (36:37):
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LAUREN BEST: A greater spectrum of possibility, (36:39):
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LAUREN BEST: but also just a greater spectrum of (36:41):
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LAUREN BEST: process, right? (36:42):
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LAUREN BEST: Like how we might go about things (36:43):
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LAUREN BEST: in a way that well, for me (36:46):
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LAUREN BEST: at least, I mean, I think once (36:48):
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LAUREN BEST: we kind of step out from (36:50):
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LAUREN BEST: traditional musical structures, (36:53):
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LAUREN BEST: you know, we're we're already (36:56):
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LAUREN BEST: doing something that's new for a lot (36:58):
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LAUREN BEST: of people. And so we can kind of (36:59):
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LAUREN BEST: stretch our perceptions of sound (37:01):
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LAUREN BEST: and stretch of our awareness, right (37:03):
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LAUREN BEST: of like where we're (37:05):
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LAUREN BEST: actually bringing our awareness to (37:07):
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LAUREN BEST: sounds around us and (37:08):
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LAUREN BEST: the details of that and and (37:10):
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LAUREN BEST: how space and time, you know, like (37:12):
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LAUREN BEST: what, like how, how (37:14):
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LAUREN BEST: long things take and what is fast (37:16):
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LAUREN BEST: and slow. (37:18):
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LAUREN BEST: And I think it can scramble people's (37:19):
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LAUREN BEST: brains in a good way, right? (37:21):
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LAUREN BEST: Like music is so incredibly (37:22):
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LAUREN BEST: stimulating to our brains in (37:23):
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LAUREN BEST: multiple ways. (37:25):
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LAUREN BEST: It can really put us in (37:26):
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LAUREN BEST: uncomfortable places but in really (37:28):
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LAUREN BEST: interesting places too (37:30):
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LAUREN BEST: mentally. Yeah. (37:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, to put it. Well, again, little (37:35):
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STEVE TRESELER: pins for new episodes. (37:37):
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STEVE TRESELER: But the idea of whether (37:38):
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STEVE TRESELER: that you touched on, that music is a (37:40):
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STEVE TRESELER: language, music isn't a language (37:41):
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STEVE TRESELER: like, you know, how does that work? (37:43):
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STEVE TRESELER: But Charles Limb, who I've probably (37:44):
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STEVE TRESELER: talked about he's a researcher (37:46):
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STEVE TRESELER: and (37:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: I forget what his title is in the (37:51):
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STEVE TRESELER: medical field, but he he took some (37:52):
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STEVE TRESELER: improvising. He took improvising (37:53):
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STEVE TRESELER: jazz musicians and freestyle (37:54):
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STEVE TRESELER: rappers and stuck them in fMRI. (37:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: Right? (38:00):
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STEVE TRESELER: But MRI machines, Fmri. (38:02):
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STEVE TRESELER: Is is that the right machine? (38:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: And seeing what's going on in the (38:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: brain as they were improvising (38:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: versus playing, playing something (38:08):
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STEVE TRESELER: that was already previously composed (38:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: versus improvising and seeing what (38:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: their brain. And so the language (38:14):
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STEVE TRESELER: centers of their brain that (38:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: for syntax like the structure of (38:17):
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STEVE TRESELER: language, was lighting up like a (38:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: Christmas tree or a menorah, (38:20):
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STEVE TRESELER: whatever. But then the part of the (38:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: language center that was semantics (38:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: or literal meeting was just not lit (38:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: up at all. So the literal meaning (38:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: wasn't lit up. So it's it's kind of (38:30):
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STEVE TRESELER: interesting that it's got one (38:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: language center firing (38:32):
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STEVE TRESELER: on all cylinders and the other (38:34):
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STEVE TRESELER: totally dormant. (38:36):
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LAUREN BEST: And then on the other hand, like (38:38):
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LAUREN BEST: music with lyrics, which is (38:39):
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LAUREN BEST: like so much a part of our culture, (38:41):
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LAUREN BEST: then becomes a whole, a whole (38:44):
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LAUREN BEST: other thing. Or like, you know, as (38:46):
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LAUREN BEST: you know, as a poet, right, thinking (38:48):
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LAUREN BEST: about how, like (38:50):
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LAUREN BEST: how those aspects interact. (38:52):
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LAUREN BEST: And I was thinking as I was talking, (38:53):
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LAUREN BEST: right? And I was like, Oh, music can (38:55):
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LAUREN BEST: open doorways because it can be so (38:56):
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LAUREN BEST: unstructured. (38:57):
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LAUREN BEST: And like meanwhile, I'm thinking (38:58):
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LAUREN BEST: it can also be the opposite, though, (39:00):
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LAUREN BEST: and that's a that's an interesting (39:02):
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LAUREN BEST: thing in terms of like, why (39:03):
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LAUREN BEST: this why this podcast is (39:05):
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LAUREN BEST: like for us, our ideas (39:07):
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LAUREN BEST: of sound, music, (39:10):
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LAUREN BEST: creativity, improvisation process (39:12):
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LAUREN BEST: like we each have certain ideas of (39:14):
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LAUREN BEST: like what that encapsulates, right? (39:16):
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LAUREN BEST: But for a lot of people, (39:18):
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LAUREN BEST: music means the radio, (39:20):
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LAUREN BEST: you know, like music means (39:22):
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LAUREN BEST: pop music on the radio. (39:24):
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LAUREN BEST: And for other folks, music means (39:26):
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LAUREN BEST: church music. (39:29):
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LAUREN BEST: You know, like, like for a lot of (39:30):
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LAUREN BEST: people, music is something very (39:31):
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LAUREN BEST: specific in their life. (39:33):
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LAUREN BEST: Ninety nine percent of the time, (39:34):
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LAUREN BEST: you know? (39:36):
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LAUREN BEST: And then on the other hand, (39:38):
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LAUREN BEST: we can do these other very stretchy, (39:40):
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LAUREN BEST: bendy things with it that kind of (39:42):
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LAUREN BEST: take it like very (39:43):
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LAUREN BEST: outside of those kind (39:45):
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LAUREN BEST: of specific structures. (39:47):
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LAUREN BEST: But I think it can be very (39:48):
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LAUREN BEST: interesting. (39:50):
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LAUREN BEST: People like people's ideas around (39:51):
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LAUREN BEST: what sounds good, what sounds (39:53):
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LAUREN BEST: bad, right (39:54):
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LAUREN BEST: and like (39:57):
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LAUREN BEST: for for for both musicians and (39:59):
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LAUREN BEST: non-musicians, right? (40:01):
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LAUREN BEST: Like what's allowed. (40:02):
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STEVE TRESELER: And with those other. (40:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: I guess a lot of it would be getting (40:08):
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STEVE TRESELER: at is more about process rather than (40:09):
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STEVE TRESELER: what the outcome is going to be. (40:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: And even stylistically, so I play in (40:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: plenty of, you know, eclectic, (40:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: weird improvised (40:16):
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STEVE TRESELER: situations. (40:18):
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STEVE TRESELER: But even if we're talking about (40:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: music on the radio, you know, (40:20):
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STEVE TRESELER: there's improvisation based on what (40:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: the producer is doing in the moment (40:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: to make that out, or the (40:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: songwriting. (40:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: Those moments of improvisation. (40:26):
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STEVE TRESELER: In a church, the organ player can be (40:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: highly and, you know, keeping (40:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: keeping the piece going because the (40:31):
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STEVE TRESELER: communion lines longer than usual. (40:32):
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STEVE TRESELER: So there's like elements embedded (40:34):
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STEVE TRESELER: into (40:36):
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STEVE TRESELER: is interesting. So this isn't just (40:40):
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STEVE TRESELER: going to necessarily be about (40:42):
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STEVE TRESELER: improvisers, you know, (40:44):
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STEVE TRESELER: performing improvised music that (40:47):
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STEVE TRESELER: will be that will be part of it. (40:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: But there's yeah, how it's embedded (40:50):
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STEVE TRESELER: into all these other traditions as (40:51):
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STEVE TRESELER: well. (40:53):
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LAUREN BEST: It's funny you say that because (40:54):
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LAUREN BEST: I have been at the piano. (40:56):
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LAUREN BEST: Improvising (40:57):
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LAUREN BEST: to the communion line. (41:00):
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LAUREN BEST: I've been doing (41:02):
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LAUREN BEST: that exact thing, which is (41:04):
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LAUREN BEST: interesting for me because when I (41:04):
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LAUREN BEST: started doing (41:06):
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LAUREN BEST: sacred music, church music, (41:08):
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LAUREN BEST: I thought it was (41:10):
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LAUREN BEST: like nothing to do with (41:12):
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LAUREN BEST: improvisation in terms of- I thought (41:14):
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LAUREN BEST: the types of skills it was demanding (41:15):
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LAUREN BEST: of me, were kind of frightening, (41:17):
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LAUREN BEST: you know, in terms of in terms of (41:20):
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LAUREN BEST: sight reading and things like that. (41:22):
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LAUREN BEST: you (41:23):
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LAUREN BEST: know, and in terms of trying to be (41:25):
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LAUREN BEST: very precise in this very particular (41:26):
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LAUREN BEST: scenario, which was not my, not (41:28):
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LAUREN BEST: my background. I didn't have a (41:30):
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LAUREN BEST: background as an accompanist, (41:31):
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LAUREN BEST: but I learned so much more of (41:33):
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LAUREN BEST: it actually was about improvising. (41:35):
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LAUREN BEST: And that, yeah, (41:37):
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LAUREN BEST: that was definitely an interesting (41:40):
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LAUREN BEST: learning. (41:42):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah I imagine, keeping the choir together (41:44):
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STEVE TRESELER: or someone skips a verse and or (41:46):
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STEVE TRESELER: half a verse. And then you just (41:47):
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STEVE TRESELER: said, you know, go with it. (41:49):
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LAUREN BEST: yeah, (41:50):
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LAUREN BEST: and there's there's so much like (41:52):
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LAUREN BEST: utility in that, right? (41:54):
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LAUREN BEST: And I think sometimes in our (41:56):
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LAUREN BEST: culture, like we again like we (41:58):
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LAUREN BEST: kind of like, think like improvising (42:00):
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LAUREN BEST: is this. (42:01):
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LAUREN BEST: You know, like like music (42:03):
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LAUREN BEST: performances is that. (42:04):
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LAUREN BEST: Not necessarily for you and I, but (42:06):
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LAUREN BEST: for kind of like (42:08):
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LAUREN BEST: if like the average person, (42:10):
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LAUREN BEST: the average musician, so to speak, (42:12):
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LAUREN BEST: but it is actually quite (42:13):
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LAUREN BEST: integrated in so many things. (42:15):
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LAUREN BEST: Coming back to the idea that like (42:17):
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LAUREN BEST: babies and kids naturally improvise, (42:19):
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LAUREN BEST: right? And like part of my (42:21):
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LAUREN BEST: mission is to just get (42:23):
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LAUREN BEST: Grown-Ups comfortable (42:26):
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LAUREN BEST: with just being musical with kids (42:28):
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LAUREN BEST: more, just like (42:30):
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LAUREN BEST: not just being there with the (42:32):
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LAUREN BEST: kids in that moment (42:34):
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LAUREN BEST: and kind of just having that servant (42:36):
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LAUREN BEST: return relationship because the kids (42:38):
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LAUREN BEST: will do it naturally. (42:40):
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LAUREN BEST: But they'll enjoy it a lot more and (42:42):
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LAUREN BEST: they'll do it a lot more if they (42:43):
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LAUREN BEST: have Grown-Ups who feel (42:44):
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LAUREN BEST: good about being a part of that. (42:46):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, it's the grown ups who hae the (42:48):
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STEVE TRESELER: hang ups. (42:49):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, it's yeah, I was just (42:50):
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STEVE TRESELER: when I was at this festival last (42:52):
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STEVE TRESELER: week doing some workshops at (42:53):
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STEVE TRESELER: University of Idaho's Lionel Hampton (42:54):
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STEVE TRESELER: Jazz Festival. (42:56):
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STEVE TRESELER: Talking about this process, just (42:57):
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STEVE TRESELER: being able to. (42:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: Experiment, you know, we're (43:01):
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STEVE TRESELER: scientists, we're going to gather (43:02):
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STEVE TRESELER: data and try some things and you (43:03):
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STEVE TRESELER: know, you could see some people just (43:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: they're so conditioned to get it (43:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: right. You know, you have a quiz (43:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: coming up, you've got to get ten out (43:08):
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STEVE TRESELER: of ten, you've got to be, you know, (43:09):
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STEVE TRESELER: beat being mistake free is (43:11):
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STEVE TRESELER: what we need to do, which is and (43:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: how you know which is and how (43:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: children learn. It's not how, (43:16):
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STEVE TRESELER: you know, there's so much about the (43:18):
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STEVE TRESELER: learning process that's this (43:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: embodied way of learning things and (43:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: trying it from, from different (43:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: angles and failing and then getting (43:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: mastery over time. (43:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: And this is this is why this is one (43:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: of those things that we learn this (43:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: way rather than the (43:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: here's what you need to learn. (43:32):
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STEVE TRESELER: You need to get it. (43:33):
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STEVE TRESELER: You need to get it right. (43:34):
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STEVE TRESELER: So that's going to be, yeah, (43:35):
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STEVE TRESELER: a huge part of it, what we are talking about going forward. (43:37):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, and totally (43:38):
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LAUREN BEST: the trying things out, and it (43:40):
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LAUREN BEST: doesn't always work right? (43:41):
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LAUREN BEST: And that like that can be (43:43):
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LAUREN BEST: such a huge part of it. (43:45):
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LAUREN BEST: And if like, we need to allow space (43:46):
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LAUREN BEST: for that in learning, I (43:48):
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LAUREN BEST: think because in other contexts, (43:50):
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LAUREN BEST: we give kids and people (43:53):
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LAUREN BEST: more space for trying and failing, I (43:55):
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LAUREN BEST: think. Right, like if you're I'm (43:57):
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LAUREN BEST: going to start to use athletic (43:59):
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LAUREN BEST: metaphors like that. (44:02):
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LAUREN BEST: I don't have intimate acquaintance (44:04):
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LAUREN BEST: with in my life... (44:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: Being an athelete. Poet, and athlete Lauren Best. (44:09):
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LAUREN BEST: having very rarely shot hoops. (44:13):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, I will say (44:15):
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LAUREN BEST: that shooting hoops, you aren't (44:17):
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LAUREN BEST: expected to make every single one. (44:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: We're going to cut that one out - (44:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: that will be the little (44:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: nugget to post on Twitter. (44:26):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, I've been using these kinds of (44:27):
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LAUREN BEST: like examples for people, right? (44:30):
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LAUREN BEST: Like do we teach kids sports (44:31):
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LAUREN BEST: by telling them about the sport one (44:34):
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LAUREN BEST: to one with an adults for a half (44:36):
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LAUREN BEST: hour every week. (44:38):
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LAUREN BEST: And getting them to practice one on (44:40):
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LAUREN BEST: one with that at adult and then (44:41):
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LAUREN BEST: hoping that they want to play that (44:42):
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LAUREN BEST: sport with other kids down the line. (44:44):
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LAUREN BEST: Like, no, they're playing that (44:46):
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LAUREN BEST: sport without even playing the game, (44:47):
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LAUREN BEST: with just having a ball. (44:49):
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LAUREN BEST: Then they're playing it like in gym (44:51):
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LAUREN BEST: class and they're playing in recess (44:52):
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LAUREN BEST: and they may be playing in like a (44:54):
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LAUREN BEST: league, but they're doing it like (44:55):
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LAUREN BEST: with each other in this really (44:56):
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LAUREN BEST: messy, like organic way. (44:58):
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LAUREN BEST: And maybe they're also being side (45:00):
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LAUREN BEST: coached. (45:01):
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LAUREN BEST: But parents aren't like, (45:02):
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LAUREN BEST: Oh, I'm not signing my kid up for (45:04):
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LAUREN BEST: soccer because we just can't (45:05):
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LAUREN BEST: practice every day. (45:07):
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LAUREN BEST: And it's just been too stressful to (45:08):
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LAUREN BEST: try to do 20 minutes of soccer (45:09):
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LAUREN BEST: practice every single day. (45:10):
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LAUREN BEST: So I guess we're not going to play (45:12):
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LAUREN BEST: on the soccer team this year because (45:13):
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LAUREN BEST: it's just too much of a commitment (45:15):
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LAUREN BEST: for us. It's like, Whoa, (45:16):
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LAUREN BEST: it's all. It's all right. (45:19):
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LAUREN BEST: Like your five year old is still (45:20):
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LAUREN BEST: going to, like, develop in soccer (45:21):
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LAUREN BEST: with, like, really like (45:23):
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LAUREN BEST: cracking down on practice. (45:25):
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LAUREN BEST: And kind of I value (45:26):
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LAUREN BEST: practice, obviously, (45:28):
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LAUREN BEST: but also I value like (45:30):
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LAUREN BEST: kind of organic approaches (45:32):
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LAUREN BEST: to learning that can make it really (45:34):
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LAUREN BEST: accessible for people, both for kids (45:36):
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LAUREN BEST: and and for adults too. (45:37):
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STEVE TRESELER: Yeah, wow. Right, so. Yeah, absolutely. (45:45):
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STEVE TRESELER: It's one of their yeah, one other (45:46):
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STEVE TRESELER: why question I wanted to get to, I (45:47):
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STEVE TRESELER: guess for wrap up for this one is, (45:49):
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STEVE TRESELER: you know why Steve and Lauren like (45:51):
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STEVE TRESELER: why? Why is it? (45:53):
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STEVE TRESELER: Why are we the ones to lead this (45:54):
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STEVE TRESELER: conversation instead of instead (45:55):
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STEVE TRESELER: of someone else? (45:57):
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STEVE TRESELER: That was something you brought up (45:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: one of our calls like why (45:59):
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STEVE TRESELER: us? (46:01):
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STEVE TRESELER: Why? Why, why? (46:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: Why? Why us? (46:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: You know, I'll even kick. I'll even. (46:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: Take a take a stab at this one. (46:11):
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STEVE TRESELER: I mean, partly is because, (46:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: well, we don't we don't have to have (46:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: permission, so you know, why not? (46:17):
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STEVE TRESELER: We can. Anyone can start a media (46:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: channel now. So we don't. (46:20):
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STEVE TRESELER: Why? You know, because because we (46:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: can. And here we are. (46:23):
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STEVE TRESELER: But you know, we're really committed (46:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: to this conversation and you know, (46:25):
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STEVE TRESELER: the people around it and willing to (46:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: do this work and produce the show. (46:29):
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STEVE TRESELER: So, you know, so here (46:30):
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STEVE TRESELER: we are. But we're not being, (46:32):
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STEVE TRESELER: not trying to position ourselves as (46:34):
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STEVE TRESELER: like the gurus, but (46:36):
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STEVE TRESELER: hopefully you can learn from (46:38):
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STEVE TRESELER: the experience and expertize that we (46:40):
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STEVE TRESELER: do have, but really help (46:41):
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STEVE TRESELER: connect some people together. (46:43):
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STEVE TRESELER: Get some, (46:45):
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STEVE TRESELER: some amazing guests on here and (46:47):
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STEVE TRESELER: help to build, you know, I guess, (46:49):
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STEVE TRESELER: the the land of Misfit toys. (46:51):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, I was going. (46:53):
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LAUREN BEST: I was thinking like, we both have (46:54):
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LAUREN BEST: a desire to kind of do things and (46:58):
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LAUREN BEST: do them right. In terms of by that, (47:00):
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LAUREN BEST: I mean like in terms of doing things (47:02):
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LAUREN BEST: like with heart and with (47:03):
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LAUREN BEST: thoughtfulness and with (47:04):
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LAUREN BEST: like concern for (47:07):
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LAUREN BEST: concern for respecting (47:10):
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LAUREN BEST: each like, you know, the (47:12):
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LAUREN BEST: participants, right? (47:13):
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LAUREN BEST: Like like in an activity. (47:14):
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LAUREN BEST: And then just like in terms of (47:16):
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LAUREN BEST: bringing that (47:17):
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LAUREN BEST: like like that kind of lineage (47:19):
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LAUREN BEST: of caring that I think for me (47:21):
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LAUREN BEST: matters a lot as a as a (47:23):
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LAUREN BEST: teacher, a facilitator, coach, (47:24):
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LAUREN BEST: educator, kind of in (47:26):
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LAUREN BEST: terms of like designing art, (47:28):
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LAUREN BEST: right? Like how it impacts people (47:30):
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LAUREN BEST: like that matters because why? (47:32):
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LAUREN BEST: Why else would we do it? (47:34):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah. But also, I think it's because (47:35):
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LAUREN BEST: we're (47:37):
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LAUREN BEST: off the wall. (47:40):
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LAUREN BEST: What's another word? (47:42):
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LAUREN BEST: Risk tolerance? (47:44):
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LAUREN BEST: But I'll come back to it. (47:47):
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LAUREN BEST: But you know, we are we (47:49):
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LAUREN BEST: are willing (47:51):
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LAUREN BEST: to jump into a (47:53):
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LAUREN BEST: fairly large, undefined (47:55):
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LAUREN BEST: creative endeavor with someone who (47:57):
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LAUREN BEST: we met a couple of months ago (47:59):
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LAUREN BEST: and to record it all and (48:01):
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LAUREN BEST: review it. (48:04):
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LAUREN BEST: Have you ever been upon a podcast (48:05):
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LAUREN BEST: host before? (48:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: Have I have I been a podcast host? (48:08):
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STEVE TRESELER: Well, it's funny. You should mention (48:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: that. Yeah, that'll be a bonus (48:11):
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STEVE TRESELER: episode when you get to hear my (48:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: secret podcast. (48:15):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah, but neither of us, neither of (48:16):
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LAUREN BEST: us have done a podcast about (48:18):
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LAUREN BEST: improvising before. (48:19):
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LAUREN BEST: We're not here as like as (48:22):
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LAUREN BEST: experts in kind of a singular way. (48:25):
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LAUREN BEST: And I think we're both interested in (48:27):
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LAUREN BEST: the kind of messiness of that (48:29):
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LAUREN BEST: right? Of jumping into something (48:31):
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LAUREN BEST: pretty new. (48:33):
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LAUREN BEST: You know, after like, no, no, not (48:35):
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LAUREN BEST: a whole lot of, (48:36):
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LAUREN BEST: you know, we're not bringing 10 (48:39):
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LAUREN BEST: years of back story playing music (48:41):
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LAUREN BEST: together, right? (48:43):
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LAUREN BEST: Like, we're kind of we're kind of a (48:44):
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LAUREN BEST: bit fresh to (48:46):
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LAUREN BEST: working together, and we're we're (48:48):
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LAUREN BEST: bringing whoever wants to come in (48:50):
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LAUREN BEST: with us on that journey. (48:52):
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LAUREN BEST: Yeah. Kind of kind (48:53):
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LAUREN BEST: of in with it. (48:55):
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LAUREN BEST: And I think the messiness partially (48:57):
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LAUREN BEST: is like the the (48:59):
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LAUREN BEST: differences and similarities in (49:01):
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LAUREN BEST: our own experiences (49:03):
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LAUREN BEST: with improvisation and our own (49:05):
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LAUREN BEST: experiences with like with (49:07):
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LAUREN BEST: teaching and facilitating (49:09):
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LAUREN BEST: that which I know we're going to get (49:11):
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LAUREN BEST: into in a future episode with more (49:12):
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LAUREN BEST: of like the deeper who's (49:14):
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LAUREN BEST: into the, you know, like we're (49:17):
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LAUREN BEST: a little more detail about where we (49:20):
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LAUREN BEST: came from and and (49:21):
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LAUREN BEST: and our interests behind (49:25):
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LAUREN BEST: it. I know something you said (49:27):
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LAUREN BEST: earlier made me think of the (49:28):
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LAUREN BEST: Oh, you were talking about experimenting (49:30):
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LAUREN BEST: like being scientists experimenting. (49:31):
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LAUREN BEST: And I think that's that's like the (49:33):
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LAUREN BEST: improv some folks think of like (49:36):
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LAUREN BEST: improv is just making things up, (49:37):
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LAUREN BEST: which is kind of true. (49:40):
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LAUREN BEST: But but often in improv, (49:41):
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LAUREN BEST: we're not just making things up (49:43):
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LAUREN BEST: in a totally open-ended way, like (49:45):
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LAUREN BEST: there's always some structure within (49:47):
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LAUREN BEST: that right and there's sometimes (49:49):
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LAUREN BEST: a lot of structure within that (49:51):
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LAUREN BEST: and layers of structure within that, (49:53):
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LAUREN BEST: you know? But yet there's also (49:55):
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LAUREN BEST: we're still making things up. (49:57):
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STEVE TRESELER: Hey, you know what? That's a good (49:58):
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STEVE TRESELER: teaser for the next episode, which (49:59):
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STEVE TRESELER: is the what episode? (50:01):
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STEVE TRESELER: We're going from the why. What is improvisation? What (50:04):
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STEVE TRESELER: is this podcast about? (50:05):
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STEVE TRESELER: But one thing I want to touch here. (50:07):
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STEVE TRESELER: You mentioned, you know, giving (50:08):
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STEVE TRESELER: yourself structures to be able to (50:09):
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STEVE TRESELER: fail. Yeah, that's why are we (50:10):
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STEVE TRESELER: committing to this podcast for every (50:12):
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STEVE TRESELER: week, for 10 years? (50:14):
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STEVE TRESELER: No, we're doing a pilot. (50:15):
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STEVE TRESELER: OK, let's see how it feels after (50:16):
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STEVE TRESELER: the pilot. You know what I mean? (50:18):
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STEVE TRESELER: We're giving ourselves our own (50:19):
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STEVE TRESELER: structure for failure. (50:20):
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STEVE TRESELER: It's like, Oh, if this doesn't vibe (50:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: or doesn't work, you know, and it's (50:22):
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STEVE TRESELER: like, we're trying to model the (50:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: model of the process like, OK, let's (50:26):
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STEVE TRESELER: give this thing a go. (50:27):
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STEVE TRESELER: And you know, (50:28):
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STEVE TRESELER: yeah, and see what happens? (50:30):
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LAUREN BEST: Totally. And structures for getting (50:31):
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LAUREN BEST: feedback. So like, (50:33):
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LAUREN BEST: you know, we're (50:35):
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LAUREN BEST: we're we're planning (50:37):
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LAUREN BEST: I don't like I'm thinking of how (50:39):
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LAUREN BEST: this applies in other things, right? (50:40):
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LAUREN BEST: Like you plan a certain amount of (50:41):
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LAUREN BEST: structure, you plan a certain amount (50:43):
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LAUREN BEST: of not structure, you (50:44):
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LAUREN BEST: know, and then you repeat the (50:46):
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LAUREN BEST: experiment and you see you see (50:47):
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LAUREN BEST: what you change. And and with (50:49):
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LAUREN BEST: this was doing it as a podcast and (50:51):
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LAUREN BEST: recording it, we're able to (50:52):
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LAUREN BEST: I mean, we know our own perspectives (50:55):
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LAUREN BEST: where we are. We're getting to know (50:57):
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LAUREN BEST: each other's perspectives more, but (50:59):
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LAUREN BEST: bring in, bring (51:00):
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LAUREN BEST: in more from other folks (51:02):
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LAUREN BEST: and explore some different (51:06):
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STEVE TRESELER: All right. (51:13):
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STEVE TRESELER: in the coming episodes in the next, (51:21):
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STEVE TRESELER: our first season of pilot episodes. (51:24):
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STEVE TRESELER: online community and (51:36):
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STEVE TRESELER: some downloads my (51:38):
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STEVE TRESELER: ebooks we were mentioning earlier (51:40):
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STEVE TRESELER: about creativity and some prompts (51:41):
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STEVE TRESELER: and ways to be more creative (51:43):
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STEVE TRESELER: in your music practice. (51:45):
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LAUREN BEST: Woohoo. Go forth and improvise. (51:52):
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