Harnessing Digital Media for Mission: Stan Jantz on The Chosen and the Power of Storytelling to Reach the Nations

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Bring him in. 5 00:00:08,562.787893773 --> 00:00:10,122.787893773 what's coming with season six. 6 00:00:10,370.053500572 --> 00:00:13,555.146383164 The crucifixion season, the world is waiting for this story. 7 00:00:13,832.521066935 --> 00:00:22,311.862727327 it's being filmed right now in production it's the greatest love story ever, And we've all come from broken places and we're still works in progress. 8 00:00:22,311.862727327 --> 00:00:23,181.862727327 So how we. 9 00:00:23,289.375887316 --> 00:00:28,410.791204851 Share that with people with integrity, humility, and generosity, I think is what is gonna move people. 10 00:00:28,410.791204851 --> 00:00:30,30.791204851 And I think you can do it one-on-one. 11 00:00:30,30.791204851 --> 00:00:36,547.301572466 You can do it through what you're doing through media we've just seen the beginning of what can happen with this great story that's going out to the nations. 12 00:00:40,478.341407254 --> 00:00:44,228.341407254 A very warm welcome to the Lausanne Movement Podcast. 13 00:00:44,288.341407254 --> 00:00:48,698.341407254 For those who have a passion to accelerate global mission together. 14 00:00:49,148.341407254 --> 00:00:59,318.341407254 I'm your host, Jason Watson, and today I'm joined by Stan Chance, global Ambassador for the Come and Sea Foundation, the organization behind the HIT series, the Chosen. 15 00:00:59,643.496996635 --> 00:01:04,743.496996635 In this episode, we're diving into the intersection of media, evangelism, and global. 16 00:01:04,908.496996635 --> 00:01:05,628.496996635 Outreach. 17 00:01:05,898.496996635 --> 00:01:14,928.496996635 Stan will share how the chosen has become a groundbreaking tool for sharing the gospel story and the heart languages of unbelievers across the world. 18 00:01:15,138.496996635 --> 00:01:23,658.496996635 He also offers powerful insights into how we can use modern media to reach a new generation and bring the gospel to the ends of the earth. 19 00:01:23,853.911962852 --> 00:01:30,513.911962852 So I wanna invite you to go ahead, grab your headphones, and let's dive into today's interview with Stan Janz. 20 00:01:34,229.786461839 --> 00:01:35,969.786461839 Stan, welcome to the podcast. 21 00:01:35,969.786461839 --> 00:01:36,809.786461839 It's great to have you with us. 22 00:01:37,206.191531722 --> 00:01:37,956.191531722 Thank you Jason. 23 00:01:37,956.191531722 --> 00:01:38,856.191531722 It's great to be with you. 24 00:01:38,856.191531722 --> 00:01:42,36.19153172 I'm looking forward to this and thank you for having me as a guest. 25 00:01:42,159.80375016 --> 00:01:49,4.16836063 Yeah, like many across the world, I've been blessed the series, the Chosen and obviously the organization come and see. 26 00:01:49,4.16836063 --> 00:01:53,384.16836063 And so I'm really excited to have this conversation with you to dive into that. 27 00:01:53,804.16836063 --> 00:02:01,514.16836063 But before we do anything, I want us to open up and just chat about your story and, hear a little bit about you, a little bit about your journey. 28 00:02:01,874.16836063 --> 00:02:05,264.16836063 What led you into your career publishing and in global media. 29 00:02:05,739.1706282 --> 00:02:06,369.1706282 Thank you. 30 00:02:06,819.1706282 --> 00:02:12,270.1910442 I, grew up in a family that owned a chain of Christian bookstores in the central part of California. 31 00:02:12,270.1910442 --> 00:02:18,840.1910442 So I've been around Christian books my whole life and bibles and it's was a real blessing to be a part of that industry. 32 00:02:19,201.40144252 --> 00:02:25,101.40144252 and I went to Biola University, a Christian university in Southern California and decided to go in the family business. 33 00:02:25,101.40144252 --> 00:02:26,781.40144252 So I started working right outta college. 34 00:02:28,11.40144252 --> 00:02:31,371.40144252 shortly after I did that some, who was. 35 00:02:32,346.40144252 --> 00:02:37,646.40144252 mentoring me, challenged me to come up with a life mission statement, and I've followed this through my life. 36 00:02:37,646.40144252 --> 00:02:39,386.40144252 And helped me with that. 37 00:02:39,386.40144252 --> 00:02:40,706.40144252 But I made it very simple. 38 00:02:40,706.40144252 --> 00:02:43,646.40144252 I said, oh, Lord, for my life, this is my twenties. 39 00:02:44,16.40144252 --> 00:02:45,726.40144252 I wanna be an influence for Lord. 40 00:02:45,756.40144252 --> 00:02:46,481.40144252 For the Lord Jesus Christ. 41 00:02:47,161.40144252 --> 00:02:47,971.40144252 It's all it was. 42 00:02:48,451.40144252 --> 00:02:53,351.40144252 And I've, learned that word influence is is important because we sometimes talk about impact. 43 00:02:53,681.40144252 --> 00:02:55,451.40144252 Impact is more kind of a shot. 44 00:02:55,451.40144252 --> 00:02:59,951.40144252 It's a one-time deal, it's a one-time conference or whatever it might be. 45 00:02:59,951.40144252 --> 00:03:02,171.40144252 Whereas influence has more. 46 00:03:02,541.40144252 --> 00:03:03,261.40144252 Length to it. 47 00:03:03,261.40144252 --> 00:03:05,511.40144252 It has more time over time it can grow. 48 00:03:05,691.40144252 --> 00:03:06,681.40144252 And I didn't know what that would mean. 49 00:03:06,681.40144252 --> 00:03:11,871.40144252 I was just a young man and, was starting to have a family and working in a, business like that. 50 00:03:11,871.40144252 --> 00:03:17,151.40144252 But it's really something God has, I think, has been faithful to use that in different applications. 51 00:03:17,481.40144252 --> 00:03:24,51.40144252 And, then I got into, after we, we actually sold our bookstores in the late nineties because this little. 52 00:03:24,721.40144252 --> 00:03:26,191.40144252 Organization called Amazon. 53 00:03:26,221.40144252 --> 00:03:29,761.40144252 If you remember when it was not around, is before your time. 54 00:03:29,761.40144252 --> 00:03:33,561.40144252 Probably when it started Jason, but everybody had to go to a bookstore to buy books. 55 00:03:33,711.40144252 --> 00:03:35,421.40144252 once Amazon came, it changed the game. 56 00:03:35,421.40144252 --> 00:03:38,211.40144252 So we sold our stores and, I started writing books. 57 00:03:38,331.40144252 --> 00:03:46,401.40144252 And so this was the kind of the second step of influence and had the, just the opportunity, to write a number of books with a writing partner, Bruce Beck. 58 00:03:46,551.40144252 --> 00:03:48,861.40144252 So we had a, several different series that we. 59 00:03:49,566.40144252 --> 00:03:53,496.40144252 Developed and sold about 4 million books over a period about 15, 20 years. 60 00:03:53,886.40144252 --> 00:04:06,366.40144252 And, our theme was always we wanna write in a way writing about theology, writing about God, and how do we help people follow him in, in, become followers, become disciples. 61 00:04:06,936.40144252 --> 00:04:12,6.40144252 And so we took theology, put it on the lower shelf, and it was a God for Dummies kind of approach. 62 00:04:12,6.40144252 --> 00:04:13,296.40144252 We did a number of books in that. 63 00:04:13,416.40144252 --> 00:04:14,616.40144252 We called it Bruce and Stan. 64 00:04:15,226.40144252 --> 00:04:21,126.40144252 Our guide to God and other topics to the Bible and to prophecy and all of that. 65 00:04:21,577.44394771 --> 00:04:29,52.7128028 we always wanted to be clear in our writing and correct, to be accurate, but also casual, have a little bit of humor from time to time. 66 00:04:29,832.7128028 --> 00:04:38,342.7128028 and then I got into publishing in the, in about 15 years ago and started and really that influence started to grow a little bit because the books did well. 67 00:04:38,342.7128028 --> 00:04:48,37.7128028 But now I felt, okay, how can I work with other publishers? Publishing houses and, help them what they're doing because it's a, big world. 68 00:04:48,37.7128028 --> 00:04:54,795.82480991 And of course, digital was just starting to come into play, around that 2007 with the Kindle and the iPhone and all that came out. 69 00:04:55,185.82480991 --> 00:05:00,645.82480991 And so I saw that, God is moving and he uses both people, but he uses institutions. 70 00:05:00,645.82480991 --> 00:05:05,775.82480991 He uses organizations to get his work done as he has used lason in such an extraordinary way. 71 00:05:06,285.82480991 --> 00:05:12,675.82480991 And so then I, worked for a company, an organization called Evangelical Christian Publishers Association. 72 00:05:12,675.82480991 --> 00:05:18,705.82480991 So it was their CEO and it really helped, it was for the benefit of publishers worldwide, Christian publishers. 73 00:05:19,125.82480991 --> 00:05:30,256.03567442 In fact, I've, met a, Chris Johnson who is, there in South Africa, where you are, and a wonderful publisher and bookstore owner, Coon books, which is throughout, South Africa. 74 00:05:30,911.03567442 --> 00:05:35,951.03567442 Just to see the, how God can use authors and can use books in extraordinary way. 75 00:05:36,41.03567442 --> 00:05:50,776.03567442 My dad, when I was in the bookstore, used to say, God is an author, and he'd like to know how's his book doing today? Which is, of course we were selling Bibles and it's Anytime an author came into our stores, they want to go to the shelf where their book is and make sure we had it in stock. 76 00:05:50,776.03567442 --> 00:05:54,616.03567442 And then how's it doing? Is it selling? And he said, God wants to know too. 77 00:05:54,646.03567442 --> 00:05:59,356.03567442 So how are we doing with his book? And of course, God's the bestselling author of all time, right? With the Bible. 78 00:05:59,356.03567442 --> 00:06:01,6.03567442 And it's an extraordinary thing. 79 00:06:01,726.03567442 --> 00:06:11,686.03567442 and then just in the last, two and a half years is when I've been, almost three years, been associated with, come and see, which is another way of taking that message that. 80 00:06:11,931.03567442 --> 00:06:17,481.03567442 That gospel, that story, to, to the world, but doing it through storytelling. 81 00:06:17,481.03567442 --> 00:06:20,961.03567442 And I think that to me is, a kind of, again, being an influence. 82 00:06:21,201.03567442 --> 00:06:35,1.03567442 I've, been so privileged to be a part of something that is influencing people around the world with this beautiful, true story of Jesus and his, coming to earth and God's plan to redeem a loss in fallen humanity, through his son Jesus. 83 00:06:35,661.03567442 --> 00:06:45,271.03567442 so I'm just thankful to still be, Working and, representing these great stories and ideas and the, people that make it possible. 84 00:06:45,781.03567442 --> 00:06:55,351.03567442 whether it's publishing companies or film producers or writers or whoever it might be, or, and of course pastors and we are huge proponents of the local church. 85 00:06:55,591.03567442 --> 00:06:56,731.03567442 Maybe we can talk about that. 86 00:06:57,841.03567442 --> 00:07:03,301.03567442 and I've always been involved in, the church and teaching and, doing all I can to support. 87 00:07:03,351.03567442 --> 00:07:11,815.31573483 The body of Christ, because that's where things happen, is when, God's moves through his people, through local churches, and, I love pastors. 88 00:07:11,845.31573484 --> 00:07:15,625.41446764 I think they have the hardest job in the world sometimes, They definitely do. 89 00:07:16,355.41673521 --> 00:07:18,815.41673521 they're so critical to the gospel going out. 90 00:07:19,445.41673521 --> 00:07:20,555.41673521 but we're all in that sense. 91 00:07:20,555.41673521 --> 00:07:30,635.41673521 We're all ministers, right? We're all called due to what we can and the gifts that God has given each of us so that the world may know that Christ is, is our redeemer. 92 00:07:31,24.49435569 --> 00:07:35,374.49435569 Stan, there, there's something that, that really stood out to me from what you were sharing. 93 00:07:35,434.49435569 --> 00:07:45,94.49435569 And it goes back to the life mission that you had written down for yourself and your words were, I wanna be an influence for the Lord. 94 00:07:46,144.49435569 --> 00:08:04,677.99935834 And, for me, that stood, out because right now, In day and age, we have a lot of people seeking to become influencers and obviously we talking about social media and we have people that, in a moment become famous and rise and have, status online and on social media. 95 00:08:05,727.99935834 --> 00:08:12,687.99935834 But, for me, there, there's a, stock difference in, in being an influencer and what you described as being an influence for the Lord. 96 00:08:12,687.99935834 --> 00:08:13,212.99935834 And I can see that. 97 00:08:13,742.99935834 --> 00:08:15,992.99935834 Kind of playing out throughout your story. 98 00:08:16,362.99935834 --> 00:08:19,482.99935834 And I would love to hear from you is, just thinking about that young leader. 99 00:08:20,377.04342695 --> 00:08:21,397.04342695 Who may be listening to this. 100 00:08:21,607.04342695 --> 00:08:23,557.04342695 I'm a young leader, so you can talk to me here. 101 00:08:24,187.04342695 --> 00:08:39,727.04342695 What were some key moments or decisions that helped you shape that reality in your heart and life? you've had to go back to that again and again to fight that temptation to, for self-seeking and rather be it influence for the Lord. 102 00:08:39,727.04342695 --> 00:08:42,607.04342695 And I would love to just give you a moment to just, to, share with me. 103 00:08:42,941.96129165 --> 00:08:43,571.96129165 a great question. 104 00:08:43,571.96129165 --> 00:08:43,871.96129165 Jason. 105 00:08:43,871.96129165 --> 00:08:56,531.96129165 You know what, has really been helpful is I, and I was very intentional about this and continues to this day, is seek out people that I can learn from that, that it wouldn't necessarily be my, now you, can you disciple me, although that has happened. 106 00:08:57,51.96129165 --> 00:09:06,411.96129165 So number one is find those leaders, find those influencers, and it's ama now I use the word influencers, but find those people who are making a difference that God is using. 107 00:09:06,411.96129165 --> 00:09:09,381.96129165 And you used a word I think that's very important, and that's the word, humility. 108 00:09:09,935.29462498 --> 00:09:20,615.29462498 I've learned, I learned from, and we'll talk a little bit later about the green family who is involved very much in the chosen, that's a, family here in America that has a organization, retail store called Hobby Lobby. 109 00:09:20,615.29462498 --> 00:09:23,345.29462498 But they have, built into God's word. 110 00:09:23,620.29462498 --> 00:09:26,950.29462498 Of translation and of the movement of God's word in the world. 111 00:09:27,190.29462498 --> 00:09:34,960.29462498 And of course we're involved with come and see, but I learned some things from, Mark Green, who is our board chair, that you look for three things in a leader. 112 00:09:35,80.29462498 --> 00:09:41,110.29462498 And I guess I didn't know this specifically, but this is what attracted me to people that I would talk with and learn from. 113 00:09:41,530.29462498 --> 00:09:43,450.29462498 The first is integrity. 114 00:09:43,960.29462498 --> 00:09:45,790.29462498 And integrity has to be there. 115 00:09:45,790.29462498 --> 00:09:50,320.29462498 And sometimes we see leaders that are great, they can move things, but the integrity's not there. 116 00:09:50,860.29462498 --> 00:09:51,970.29462498 And the next is generosity. 117 00:09:53,345.29462498 --> 00:10:01,355.29462498 How, and it isn't just dollars, but generosity with time, generosity with what you know, who they are and how they would then help others. 118 00:10:01,415.29462498 --> 00:10:04,85.29462498 But, certainly it involves finances as well. 119 00:10:04,925.29462498 --> 00:10:05,885.29462498 And then, humility. 120 00:10:06,545.29462498 --> 00:10:10,685.29462498 So it's kinda like a three-legged stool where you have integrity, generosity, humility. 121 00:10:11,255.29462498 --> 00:10:12,635.29462498 And you look for those kind of things. 122 00:10:12,635.29462498 --> 00:10:28,811.96129165 And I didn't know maybe intuitively, but as I reflect back, as I looked at the people that I would hold up and, try to contact, and by the way, reading books by those people that you, that you find have those three qualities is extremely important. 123 00:10:28,811.96129165 --> 00:10:32,921.96129165 Of course, I'm a lifelong bookseller, writer and publisher. 124 00:10:33,341.96129165 --> 00:10:44,381.96129165 I think we sometimes fall short, and especially in this digital age, it's so easy to just get sound bites or clips or just, pieces of, but to actually go into a book and read it. 125 00:10:44,381.96129165 --> 00:10:47,171.96129165 And I, aspire to read a hundred books a year. 126 00:10:47,291.96129165 --> 00:10:49,211.96129165 That's been my goal for the last 10 years. 127 00:10:49,571.96129165 --> 00:10:55,348.0186501 And it takes some discipline, but when you start in that path, you find, oh, you're. 128 00:10:56,148.0186501 --> 00:10:58,968.0186501 you get better at it and you can kinda capture that. 129 00:10:58,968.0186501 --> 00:11:04,788.0186501 So I find that reading, whether it was CS Lewis when I was a young man growing, in my faith he was so helpful. 130 00:11:05,88.0186501 --> 00:11:12,888.0186501 Or today we mentioned a book that I just read by Justin Briley, which is a podcaster in the uk surprising Return of Belief in God. 131 00:11:13,38.0186501 --> 00:11:18,468.0186501 So you can learn so much from people, but there are also people willing to invest individually in someone. 132 00:11:18,753.0186501 --> 00:11:28,593.0186501 Who is aspiring to, to make a difference and to, be, to get better at what they do and, to follow the Lord in a, way that with integrity, humility, and generosity. 133 00:11:28,936.34971586 --> 00:11:29,416.34971586 stunning. 134 00:11:29,451.90540493 --> 00:11:47,936.32189711 I really like that encouragement finding mentors and people that you can follow, but especially reinforcing that point of, us being able to do that through books and through media and through, different resources we can connect with people from different generations that have long passed and, learned from their lives. 135 00:11:48,416.32189711 --> 00:11:51,265.76633944 I really, I'm encouraged what you said there. 136 00:11:51,265.76633944 --> 00:11:52,225.76633944 And so thank, you for that. 137 00:11:52,225.76633944 --> 00:12:13,634.23944368 I wanna continue to ask you about lessons that you've learned, because you've described in your story you've really witnessed the evolution of, Christian media, from the bookstores that your parents owned to going into the publishing and now with the digital, media that you're doing with the chosen, you've rarely seen a transition happen over the past couple of years. 138 00:12:14,9.23944368 --> 00:12:15,419.23944368 I would love to hear from you. 139 00:12:15,744.2395772 --> 00:12:46,280.89330472 what lessons have you learned? Especially as, I think of the leaders who are listening to this, what lessons have you learned that can be transferred to, their own churches and own ministries, as they begin to think about how things are shifting in their own circumstances? I think the lesson I'm learning is we live at an extraordinary time, a unique time in human history where the gospel has never had the opportunity to reach every person, but we are in this generation, this time. 140 00:12:46,490.89330472 --> 00:12:47,450.89330472 We are at that point. 141 00:12:47,630.89330472 --> 00:12:51,380.89330472 bill Bright, founder of Campus Crusade for Christ now Crew. 142 00:12:51,770.89330472 --> 00:12:56,180.89330472 He used to love the verse, Matthew 24 14, and this verse. 143 00:12:56,930.89330472 --> 00:12:58,550.89330472 Says, and this gospel. 144 00:12:58,550.89330472 --> 00:12:59,960.89330472 This is Jesus talking Now. 145 00:13:00,665.89330472 --> 00:13:10,385.89330472 To his disciples, he's saying, and this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 146 00:13:10,775.89330472 --> 00:13:13,295.89330472 And Bill Bright used to say, that's why we're doing this. 147 00:13:13,295.89330472 --> 00:13:20,405.89330472 That's why we're trying to reach every campus, reach every person, because when we do that, Jesus will return what was never possible in Bill Bright's day. 148 00:13:20,825.89330472 --> 00:13:22,925.89330472 It was never possible before. 149 00:13:23,270.89330472 --> 00:13:31,760.89330472 2007 when the iPhone and when the technology that we now take for granted, even in your map, Google Maps comes from that. 150 00:13:31,760.89330472 --> 00:13:42,320.89330472 So it's only been in this digital age, the information super high, whatever you wanna call it, that literally, Jason, gonna be possible in the next. 151 00:13:43,10.89330472 --> 00:13:48,200.89330472 10, 20 years, certainly your lifetime, for that to happen. 152 00:13:48,500.89330472 --> 00:13:52,70.89330472 And you think of the extraordinary promise that Jesus made when that happens. 153 00:13:52,190.89330472 --> 00:14:04,490.89330472 And it's not just about, hitting a goal, it's about lives being transformed and places, of course that would never have access to the gospel because of the technology that God has put into place. 154 00:14:04,880.89330472 --> 00:14:10,310.89330472 And I believe we're only in the third great technological shift since Jesus walked the earth. 155 00:14:10,370.89330472 --> 00:14:10,820.89330472 It's only been three. 156 00:14:11,795.89330472 --> 00:14:19,775.89330472 The first was the Roman roads, right? They were in place, an extraordinary technology that Rome built a hundred thousand miles of roads. 157 00:14:19,775.89330472 --> 00:14:21,995.89330472 50,000 of those miles were paved. 158 00:14:22,505.89330472 --> 00:14:24,305.89330472 It's in the first century, and they were built before. 159 00:14:24,305.89330472 --> 00:14:29,555.89330472 So when Jesus came, you know that verse in Galatians four, four, that just the right time God sent his son. 160 00:14:29,945.89330472 --> 00:14:35,255.89330472 that meant, in one sense, when Jesus then gave his great commission, he ascended and the disciples went out. 161 00:14:35,560.89330472 --> 00:14:38,800.89330472 They had a highway to go out and literally spread the gospel and go. 162 00:14:38,800.89330472 --> 00:14:45,460.89330472 As far as India, we know for sure Paul, it was, it's estimated Paul walked 10,000 miles on those paved Roman roads. 163 00:14:46,180.89330472 --> 00:14:48,130.89330472 The next technology was the printing press. 164 00:14:48,755.89330472 --> 00:14:51,305.89330472 And of course we know the impact that had on the world. 165 00:14:51,334.78219361 --> 00:15:00,478.69330472 And by the way isn't God generous with his, what he does for the world? these things bless us obviously and enable us to take the gospel out, but it blesses the world. 166 00:15:00,688.69330472 --> 00:15:09,328.69330472 The printing press changed the world because it brought about literacy and it brought about the whole transformation of how people were able to communicate and, access information. 167 00:15:09,838.69330472 --> 00:15:10,978.69330472 But now we're in the third. 168 00:15:11,383.69330472 --> 00:15:13,633.69330472 That's this digital age information superhigh. 169 00:15:13,993.69330472 --> 00:15:24,733.69330472 And this one is just, or you, we know, transforming the world, but it's because God has put this into place so that gospel message can go out in all these different creative forms. 170 00:15:25,363.69330472 --> 00:15:32,383.69330472 Whether it's visual, it's audio, it's digital, it's still print and, podcasting. 171 00:15:32,683.69330472 --> 00:15:35,353.69330472 this is extraordinary that you're in South Africa. 172 00:15:35,503.69330472 --> 00:15:36,673.69330472 I'm in Southern California. 173 00:15:36,673.69330472 --> 00:15:39,373.69330472 We're talking and people around the world are gonna hear this. 174 00:15:40,468.69330472 --> 00:15:40,918.69330472 J. 175 00:15:41,158.69330472 --> 00:15:43,798.69330472 15 years ago, people said, what? You're crazy. 176 00:15:43,798.69330472 --> 00:15:44,938.69330472 That could never happen. 177 00:15:45,28.69330472 --> 00:15:51,778.69330472 So here we are, and I think it's just the beginning of what is gonna be a harvest of souls like the world has never seen and God's going. 178 00:15:51,778.69330472 --> 00:15:52,138.69330472 Yes. 179 00:15:52,138.69330472 --> 00:15:52,768.69330472 Bring him in. 180 00:15:52,768.69330472 --> 00:15:53,398.69330472 Bring him in. 181 00:15:53,878.69330472 --> 00:16:01,258.69330472 Peter says in his letter to the church and second Peter, he says, the Lord is not being slow regarding his promise to return. 182 00:16:01,783.69330472 --> 00:16:05,503.69330472 He's being patient so that more people may come to repentance. 183 00:16:05,503.69330472 --> 00:16:07,993.69330472 He doesn't want anyone to perish, but that all would repent. 184 00:16:08,53.69330472 --> 00:16:10,393.69330472 He just bring them in, I wanna fill my kingdom. 185 00:16:10,753.69330472 --> 00:16:17,83.69330472 And so he think we're in that patient period, and he's just, and he's given us the tool to be able to bring that harvest in. 186 00:16:17,83.69330472 --> 00:16:17,953.69330472 It's him that does it. 187 00:16:17,953.69330472 --> 00:16:24,973.69330472 We just are his hands and feet, right? And voice and so I'm just excited that we can actually participate in this. 188 00:16:25,483.69330472 --> 00:16:35,763.69330472 And of course for us, the chosen, it's telling that story and get it to the nations in a way that has, again, not been possible If this kid had come out 40 years ago, couldn't have been done. 189 00:16:35,913.69330472 --> 00:16:37,113.69330472 But here we are. 190 00:16:37,377.02437048 --> 00:16:52,47.0243705 you understand what I really appreciate about what you're sharing here is we are living in, in, in this gray zone kind of period where everything is shifting and, we, need to take the challenges very seriously. 191 00:16:52,497.0243705 --> 00:17:01,827.0243705 But what I love about what, how you've just shared what you've shared is you've, you focus on the opportunity, of actually fulfilling. 192 00:17:02,792.0243705 --> 00:17:06,572.0243705 Potentially fulfilling the call of Christ on us to reach every nation. 193 00:17:06,925.3577038 --> 00:17:10,225.3577038 the words you used were, we live in an extraordinary time. 194 00:17:10,795.3577038 --> 00:17:11,905.3577038 And, I love that. 195 00:17:12,264.8022818 --> 00:17:21,874.8022818 and I'm really trusting that those who are listening right now are feeling that opportunity maybe they're going through some hardship, but we are living in an extraordinary time. 196 00:17:22,604.8022818 --> 00:17:25,844.8022818 God wants to use us to, reach the nations. 197 00:17:26,100.913662 --> 00:17:36,743.691709 and as you were sharing just about the, the Roman road and the printing press and now the digital age, what kept coming back to my mind was the word, the gospel and the news. 198 00:17:37,223.691709 --> 00:17:43,863.691709 the disciples used those roads to take the good news, the story of Christ to everywhere that they could take it. 199 00:17:43,923.691709 --> 00:17:44,973.691709 The same happened through this. 200 00:17:45,43.691709 --> 00:17:47,683.691709 To the printing press, the story of Christ could go out. 201 00:17:47,773.691709 --> 00:17:51,733.691709 And now we have a unique opportunity to tell the story through digital means. 202 00:17:52,123.691709 --> 00:17:56,413.691709 We still using the roads, we still using the printing, but now we have this other means. 203 00:17:56,803.691709 --> 00:18:05,173.691709 and I wanna focus in on this thing of storytelling and how stories can really transform and, reach into the hearts of people. 204 00:18:05,603.691709 --> 00:18:11,483.691709 can we just sit there for a moment? What do you believe makes a story powerful enough? To resonate. 205 00:18:11,633.691709 --> 00:18:26,300.3606411 I'm thinking specifically of the chosen, and we're gonna dive into to all of that a bit later, but how it resonates across cultures and, how can ministries use storytelling to better foster connections? Yeah, I think God has planted in all of us. 206 00:18:26,690.3606411 --> 00:18:31,970.3606411 in Ecclesiastes, the writer, the teacher says that God has planted eternity in the human heart. 207 00:18:32,510.3606411 --> 00:18:36,350.3606411 He's made us storytelling creatures. 208 00:18:36,440.3606411 --> 00:18:38,750.3606411 It just his grand story. 209 00:18:39,375.3606411 --> 00:18:44,415.3606411 is one that has been there for the ages, but it crosses cultures. 210 00:18:44,865.3606411 --> 00:18:51,405.3606411 And I think when you find someone, and, of course we know even in, in places where they don't have media, there's still storytelling going on. 211 00:18:52,125.3606411 --> 00:18:55,935.3606411 and before there was media, you had the village storyteller. 212 00:18:56,175.3606411 --> 00:19:02,805.3606411 I'm not an expert by any means in this, but oral transmission of information is, has always been a part of the human condition. 213 00:19:03,20.3606411 --> 00:19:10,40.3606411 One person telling another, or a storyteller telling someone else, or a father telling a child, and a mother, telling a child. 214 00:19:10,160.3606411 --> 00:19:21,610.3606411 So we pass on those stories and when you have the one true story, right? CS Lewis, he, was among many things was an expert in mythology. 215 00:19:21,760.3606411 --> 00:19:31,810.3606411 He studied, Greek and Roman mythology, and he said, every myth and myth, sometimes what's false? No, it's a story, has an element of truth in it. 216 00:19:32,495.3606411 --> 00:19:48,275.3606411 But he said there's the one true, he called the one true myth, or the true story is the story of Jesus and the story of redemption of God sending his son to the world so that we may as fallen humanity be reconciled back to him to have a relationship once again. 217 00:19:48,605.3606411 --> 00:19:52,145.3606411 And he said, but that story has been planted in every person. 218 00:19:53,90.3606411 --> 00:19:56,840.3606411 So when they see the true story, they recognize it as true. 219 00:19:57,350.3606411 --> 00:20:04,340.3606411 Now they can choose to receive or reject it or put it off or whatever, but they'll recognize it as the true story. 220 00:20:04,340.3606411 --> 00:20:06,920.3606411 And it's because God has already planted that in us. 221 00:20:06,920.3606411 --> 00:20:09,530.3606411 And I think the better we can get at telling that story. 222 00:20:09,770.3606411 --> 00:20:27,50.3606411 And guess what, CS Lewis, he was a brilliant philosopher and theologian and, but he was a storyteller, right? The thing that most people know about him is the Chronicles of Narnia, and how he, she, he's told that story through the eyes of children and through Aslan and all those kind of mythical creatures. 223 00:20:27,350.3606411 --> 00:20:30,950.3606411 But, of all things he's done, that's the one that really has endured even more. 224 00:20:31,520.3606411 --> 00:20:31,670.3606411 So. 225 00:20:31,670.3606411 --> 00:20:36,730.3606411 I think there's, a, a sense in which all of us, and first of all, get good at telling your story. 226 00:20:37,55.3606411 --> 00:20:49,723.9776411 We used to call it your testimony, right? But that sounds churchy, right? I'm gonna share my testimony and people go, what's a testimony? you're testifying to what maybe God has done, but just learn to share your story and it will resonate. 227 00:20:49,723.9776411 --> 00:20:53,293.9776411 And we've all come from broken places and we're still works in progress. 228 00:20:53,293.9776411 --> 00:20:54,163.9776411 So how we. 229 00:20:54,528.9776411 --> 00:20:59,928.9776411 Share that with people with integrity, humility, and generosity, I think is what is gonna move people. 230 00:20:59,928.9776411 --> 00:21:01,548.9776411 And I think you can do it one-on-one. 231 00:21:01,548.9776411 --> 00:21:06,438.9776411 You can do it through what you're doing through media and, you talking about influencers. 232 00:21:06,498.9776411 --> 00:21:07,518.9776411 What an opportunity. 233 00:21:07,698.9776411 --> 00:21:13,187.6566705 Anybody can start a, be an influencer on social media and to learn to use it wisely. 234 00:21:13,607.6566705 --> 00:21:17,657.6566705 And of course there's always gonna be, you know what? God intends for good. 235 00:21:17,657.6566705 --> 00:21:18,977.6566705 Satan intends for evil. 236 00:21:19,367.6566705 --> 00:21:26,661.1716705 I'm not saying that everything that is not gospel inspired as evil I'm just saying that there are bad actors who can take good media and use it. 237 00:21:26,661.1716705 --> 00:21:30,411.1716705 But that's been around, the Roman roads were used to carry weapons of war. 238 00:21:30,446.1716705 --> 00:21:40,676.1716705 To conquer, right? In the printing press, there have been things that have been written that were anti, God, and, all that same thing with, social media and the digital age. 239 00:21:40,676.1716705 --> 00:21:52,261.1716705 But when we can redeem that and take that and use that in ways that brings this true story to people, and I think the creativity that is being employed, by the chosen, which we'll talk about in a minute. 240 00:21:52,931.1716705 --> 00:21:56,951.1716705 Is especially important and excellence is so important. 241 00:21:56,951.1716705 --> 00:22:06,71.1716705 We, I gotta tell you, Jason, when I was growing up, I was sometimes embarrassed that I worked at a Christian bookstore because a lot of the stuff that we sold some media through VHS tapes and that kind of thing. 242 00:22:06,701.1716705 --> 00:22:08,441.1716705 It's like Christian movies, content. 243 00:22:08,441.1716705 --> 00:22:09,851.1716705 It just wasn't that good. 244 00:22:09,851.1716705 --> 00:22:13,901.1716705 And I was always a little embarrassed and I was growing up in this, in the business, but. 245 00:22:14,681.1716705 --> 00:22:23,921.1716705 Thankfully that's changed and we see quality now coming that is telling this true story in a way that's creative and has quality and is very compelling. 246 00:22:24,281.1716705 --> 00:22:30,431.1716705 And I think we have to earn the right, if you will, for people to hear the story and to see it. 247 00:22:30,656.1716705 --> 00:22:35,804.8726178 Because it's gonna be, it's gonna be first rate, a very, high quality, production. 248 00:22:36,104.8726178 --> 00:22:39,434.8726178 Not to reduce the gospel to a production, but we've gotta be good at it. 249 00:22:39,494.8726178 --> 00:22:42,14.8726178 And I think the Apostle Paul is pretty good at what he did. 250 00:22:42,44.8726178 --> 00:22:44,534.8726178 He was a great writer and he went out and preached. 251 00:22:44,774.8726178 --> 00:22:51,254.8726178 and I think that, that to me is, we have so many examples in scripture of excellence, of how to do things well. 252 00:22:51,254.8726178 --> 00:22:56,204.8726178 And God prizes that, and, I think wants us, he is the God of excellence. 253 00:22:56,204.8726178 --> 00:22:59,714.8726178 He wants us to do everything we do with excellence, in our work. 254 00:23:00,56.0725664 --> 00:23:12,312.6206259 so I would love to, before we jump into the chosen, just circle back to one last question I have for you connecting to, using media as a tool for evangelism and discipleship. 255 00:23:12,661.981859 --> 00:23:14,460.9471184 you've seen the transition. 256 00:23:14,543.4517678 --> 00:23:17,633.4517678 into this new season that we find ourselves in, the digital age. 257 00:23:18,109.4699584 --> 00:23:31,248.8870857 what do you believe is the greatest opportunity for ministries today in terms of leveraging media and these platforms that are available for us to effectively reach people for Christ and disciple them? I, I think we've touched on it. 258 00:23:31,248.8870857 --> 00:23:35,838.8870857 I think learning as a, as whether it's an individual, a church, an organization. 259 00:23:36,643.8870857 --> 00:23:38,113.8870857 Get good at the media. 260 00:23:39,33.8870857 --> 00:23:40,903.8870857 you obviously have got that down. 261 00:23:40,903.8870857 --> 00:23:44,443.8870857 The excellence of the, production, we something that will production. 262 00:23:44,563.8870857 --> 00:23:46,633.8870857 No, you're, producing something. 263 00:23:46,633.8870857 --> 00:23:50,53.8870857 So get, the best possible people involved with it. 264 00:23:50,53.8870857 --> 00:23:55,813.8870857 'cause you have behind the scenes people and, you have people that are, delivering the message and writing it. 265 00:23:56,113.8870857 --> 00:23:57,343.8870857 So I think that's the first thing. 266 00:23:57,343.8870857 --> 00:24:01,363.8870857 And the second thing is, and we, you maybe overuse this word, but relevance. 267 00:24:01,363.8870857 --> 00:24:04,873.8870857 I think we need to know the culture and what are those things that are really. 268 00:24:05,278.8870857 --> 00:24:08,158.8870857 Both motivating people but also distressing them. 269 00:24:08,488.8870857 --> 00:24:23,428.8870857 And Jason, we live in an age that is so filled with anxiety and stress, and especially Gen Z, right? These, because they're and part of it is 'cause they're on their media and I say they, we are all on our, phones and we're seeing this. 270 00:24:23,818.8870857 --> 00:24:30,178.8870857 Constant flow of what's going on in the world that is, is not good, and the pressure and the stress that causes. 271 00:24:30,688.8870857 --> 00:24:49,897.0424651 So I think we don't deny that is there, but to offer this story of hope and, to realize, and I was, my wife and I were talking with, someone who is a pastor and it's just, there was a, there was an angst and a you could just feel the weight of what they were feeling with the world and we just tried to encourage. 272 00:24:50,482.0424651 --> 00:24:51,562.0424651 There's only one hope. 273 00:24:51,802.0424651 --> 00:24:54,832.0424651 Ultimately we have, and it's the story. 274 00:24:54,832.0424651 --> 00:24:59,212.0424651 It's what God has offered and offers to us now and always has. 275 00:24:59,212.0424651 --> 00:25:01,192.0424651 And that is the hope through Jesus. 276 00:25:02,122.0424651 --> 00:25:05,152.0424651 and I think that is the thing, and that's what we're seeing. 277 00:25:05,392.0424651 --> 00:25:18,352.0424651 And you're probably noticing this too, and maybe you've done a podcast on it, but the book, I mentioned the surprising Return to Belief in God by Justin Briley, but we're seeing that the gen, especially in Gen Z, there seems to be this return. 278 00:25:18,772.0424651 --> 00:25:22,642.0424651 To faith and to something that they denied. 279 00:25:22,732.0424651 --> 00:25:26,302.0424651 'cause I can find it in the world that's end up, that's turned out to be empty. 280 00:25:26,872.0424651 --> 00:25:36,142.0424651 And naturalism, even atheism, which was a big deal, for maybe 15, 20 years ago, has been found empty and wanting, no surprise there. 281 00:25:36,712.0424651 --> 00:25:38,632.0424651 And so there, there's a return to church. 282 00:25:38,662.0424651 --> 00:25:41,62.0424651 There was just a big headline in the UK just yesterday. 283 00:25:41,62.0424651 --> 00:25:46,162.0424651 I saw in one of the papers there how Gen Z people are coming back to church. 284 00:25:47,47.0424651 --> 00:25:53,737.0424651 there was this time when they're all leaving, right? There was the great de Churching and they're finding that we, they wanna have hope. 285 00:25:53,737.0424651 --> 00:25:57,277.0424651 They want to have a, message that rings true community. 286 00:25:57,277.0424651 --> 00:25:57,937.0424651 All those things. 287 00:25:57,937.0424651 --> 00:26:10,537.0424651 So I think we're at a unique time that the stress and, pressures and anxiety of the world, people are turning, where do I find hope? And so we then, as God's hands and feet in the world. 288 00:26:10,567.0424651 --> 00:26:20,497.0424651 I have to bring that, but do it in a way that's relevant and creative and attractive so that when they hear it and when they experience it, it's gonna ring true. 289 00:26:20,497.0424651 --> 00:26:23,377.0424651 Just as CS Lewis said, they'll recognize the true story. 290 00:26:23,377.0424651 --> 00:26:27,157.0424651 So I would just encourage your listeners, whatever you're doing, get really good at it. 291 00:26:27,817.0424651 --> 00:26:30,997.0424651 Be I, some of the worst advice I've ever heard is. 292 00:26:32,182.0424651 --> 00:26:33,112.0424651 follow your passion. 293 00:26:33,112.0424651 --> 00:26:35,212.0424651 You'll never work a day in your life, kind of thing. 294 00:26:35,272.0424651 --> 00:26:39,502.0424651 It's no, first of all, get good at something and your passion will follow. 295 00:26:39,922.0424651 --> 00:26:42,952.0424651 get good at podcasts, and get good at writing, get good at business. 296 00:26:42,952.0424651 --> 00:26:49,212.0424651 Get good, become with excellence and then your passion's gonna follow and people. 297 00:26:50,142.0424651 --> 00:26:52,92.0424651 Just use the same beta path to your door. 298 00:26:52,122.0424651 --> 00:26:59,622.0424651 'cause they what boy, that's really done well, or that particular, product or, media channel has really done well. 299 00:26:59,622.0424651 --> 00:27:03,312.0424651 And it, it brings people, and I think too, they enter into people. 300 00:27:03,522.0424651 --> 00:27:05,262.0424651 And again, I keep bringing up Justin Brearley. 301 00:27:05,592.0424651 --> 00:27:08,682.0424651 His, podcast is called Unbelievable with a question mark at the end. 302 00:27:09,402.0424651 --> 00:27:13,872.0424651 But he just had fosters dialogue and for years would bring atheists and Christians together. 303 00:27:13,872.0424651 --> 00:27:15,822.0424651 Not to argue, but just to have a conversation. 304 00:27:16,182.0424651 --> 00:27:17,862.0424651 So I think the more we can engage people. 305 00:27:18,97.0424651 --> 00:27:28,447.0424651 To be thoughtful and to think through the implications of the worldview they have and why the Christian worldview is not only filled with hope, it's the true story, it's the true worldview. 306 00:27:28,867.0424651 --> 00:27:32,467.0424651 And to get good at communicating that in a creative way that will engage people. 307 00:27:32,767.0424651 --> 00:27:35,167.0424651 There's another book that I would highly recommend. 308 00:27:35,197.0424651 --> 00:27:42,967.0424651 It's called True Story by James Chong, C-H-O-U-N-G, and he talks about that each generation has a gateway question. 309 00:27:43,782.0424651 --> 00:28:13,122.0424651 Gateway meaning, what's the first question you would lead with, I'm a boomer, so my generation, the gateway question, is it true? So if I'm considering something, whether it's an idea, if you're looking at Christianity, if you're a boomer, you wanna know is if it's true, a Gen X will ask, is it real? Kinda that authenticity, millennials will ask, is it good? Right now we've had truth, authenticity, goodness, gen Z. 310 00:28:13,842.0424651 --> 00:28:20,52.0424651 Their question is it beautiful? They're looking for something Again, there's that quality, that excellence, that artistry. 311 00:28:20,937.0424651 --> 00:28:27,627.0424651 And so when we can portray that, and if you're, again, it's the leading question, the gateway question. 312 00:28:27,627.0424651 --> 00:28:39,447.0424651 So if you're gonna reach Gen Z, which I think all of us are really anxious to do, and millennials, if it doesn't show that goodness and beauty truth is gonna take us a backseat, now it has to be true. 313 00:28:39,897.0424651 --> 00:28:43,887.0424651 You can't just throw something out that's, a fairytale and expect people to follow. 314 00:28:44,532.0424651 --> 00:28:51,312.0424651 But if you lead only with truth and you fail on the point of beauty and goodness, then you're gonna lose that audience. 315 00:28:51,312.0424651 --> 00:28:59,652.0424651 And I think what we're seeing, and again, to bridge to the chosen, there's that beauty and, quality of the show that's bringing people in. 316 00:28:59,652.0424651 --> 00:29:08,52.0424651 It's a true story, but they're leading with, the how, well the show is being, produced and portrayed and the excellence of the show. 317 00:29:08,382.0424651 --> 00:29:10,542.0424651 And then you get to, oh yeah, it's a true story. 318 00:29:10,872.0424651 --> 00:29:11,652.0424651 This matters. 319 00:29:11,892.0424651 --> 00:29:22,173.7068642 it's not just a fairytale and it's a good story, and it certainly is real because Jesus is real and authentic, the scripture that keeps coming to mind as you were just sharing was. 320 00:29:22,683.7068642 --> 00:29:27,303.7068642 Come taste and see the Lord is good taste and see that the Lord is good. 321 00:29:28,173.7068642 --> 00:29:32,13.7068642 And that is the wonderful opportunity that we have as ministers of the gospel. 322 00:29:32,403.7068642 --> 00:29:36,243.7068642 And, I, when I say ministers, every Christian and every believer. 323 00:29:36,663.7068642 --> 00:29:40,623.7068642 We, we have the beautiful and, good story to tell. 324 00:29:41,223.7068642 --> 00:29:43,623.7068642 And, so thank you for, sharing that. 325 00:29:43,623.7068642 --> 00:29:47,313.7068642 And thank you for transitioning us to the chosen because I really wanna give. 326 00:29:47,593.7091318 --> 00:29:48,973.7091318 You said come and come. 327 00:29:48,973.7091318 --> 00:29:50,23.7091318 Taste and see. 328 00:29:50,203.7091318 --> 00:29:52,713.7068642 Come Yeah, come and see. 329 00:29:52,713.7068642 --> 00:29:53,133.7068642 There you go. 330 00:29:54,178.7091318 --> 00:30:01,228.7091318 what you're reference is in the Old Testament, but we have the come and see references in the New Testament, and that's what our nonprofit is based on. 331 00:30:01,918.7091318 --> 00:30:08,398.7091318 When, people were invited, Nathaniel says, what good can come from Nazareth, and Phyllis says, Come and see. 332 00:30:09,148.7091318 --> 00:30:11,578.7091318 And so it's what God invites us to do. 333 00:30:11,578.7091318 --> 00:30:12,178.7091318 Come and see. 334 00:30:12,178.7091318 --> 00:30:12,958.7091318 Just try it. 335 00:30:13,18.7091318 --> 00:30:18,568.7091318 Kick the tires and just give it a shot, And you're gonna find that it's, a true story. 336 00:30:18,568.7091318 --> 00:30:20,668.7091318 It's a good story, and it's a beautiful story. 337 00:30:21,265.3735309 --> 00:30:25,415.3735309 so, why don't you talk to us about the chosen and come and see. 338 00:30:25,685.3735309 --> 00:30:29,735.3735309 I would love to, to give you an opportunity just to share about, that. 339 00:30:29,735.3735309 --> 00:30:33,35.3735309 I'm sure that there are some who know the chosen and some that don't. 340 00:30:33,35.3735309 --> 00:30:39,335.3735309 So could you just give us a bit of a background to that and I would love to hear more about come and see and your vision. 341 00:30:39,506.6373674 --> 00:30:39,866.6373674 Sure. 342 00:30:40,16.6373674 --> 00:30:40,536.1280733 the Yeah. 343 00:30:40,646.6373674 --> 00:30:46,466.6373674 a multi-season television series about the life of Jesus, and it's gonna run to seven seasons. 344 00:30:46,516.6373674 --> 00:30:52,726.6373674 Five have been produced and released, and, season six is currently in production. 345 00:30:52,906.6373674 --> 00:30:55,426.6373674 And, season five, which is now available. 346 00:30:55,841.6373674 --> 00:30:57,101.6373674 Through Amazon Prime. 347 00:30:57,101.6373674 --> 00:30:57,701.6373674 I don't know. 348 00:30:57,971.6373674 --> 00:30:59,81.6373674 Parts of the world doesn't have it. 349 00:30:59,471.6373674 --> 00:31:11,531.6373674 they're, we're working on Netflix as another option, but there's an app called the Chosen App that always has these episodes on them and translated in the app to about 50 languages as you can watch in any one of these languages. 350 00:31:11,951.6373674 --> 00:31:21,741.6373674 And the whole purpose of this is to show the person of Jesus Christ and what he did in the world and how he interacted with people and to do it in a way that's authentic and beautiful and good. 351 00:31:22,71.6373674 --> 00:31:30,41.6373674 And Dallas Jenkins is the creator of the show and he had actually was a aspiring filmmaker and he came off a massive failure. 352 00:31:31,51.6373674 --> 00:31:35,671.6373674 and was down in the dumps and wondering, should I even do this anymore? He had always aspired to be a filmmaker. 353 00:31:35,671.6373674 --> 00:31:38,881.6373674 His dad's a famous author, Jerry Jenkins, who wrote all those left behind books. 354 00:31:38,881.6373674 --> 00:31:40,591.6373674 And but he wanted to be a filmmaker. 355 00:31:41,191.6373674 --> 00:31:47,161.6373674 And then the church that he attended, HARs Church in Chicago said, why don't you make a little movie for Christmas? We're gonna show. 356 00:31:47,731.6373674 --> 00:31:50,251.6373674 So he did this little film called The Shepherd, which is. 357 00:31:50,991.6373674 --> 00:31:57,81.6373674 a little probably 20 minute film and you can see elements of what was to come in the chosen and it went viral. 358 00:31:57,351.6373674 --> 00:31:58,341.6373674 it just took off. 359 00:31:58,341.6373674 --> 00:32:00,471.6373674 Went on YouTube and became this big thing. 360 00:32:00,471.6373674 --> 00:32:11,816.6373674 And so there was some folks came along and said, what if we did a series on the life of, Jesus? And so Dallas put that together and the first crowd, the first season was crowdfunded, which was, I think. 361 00:32:12,476.6373674 --> 00:32:15,116.6373674 16,000 people gave something to the chosen. 362 00:32:15,732.0409843 --> 00:32:17,832.0409843 and then the next two seasons were pay it forward. 363 00:32:18,222.0409843 --> 00:32:24,492.0409843 But there wasn't enough for that show to be produced at a high level and to do A A season a year. 364 00:32:24,912.0409843 --> 00:32:26,742.0409843 So that's where Cummins seed came in. 365 00:32:26,802.0409843 --> 00:32:28,992.0409843 And, I mentioned the Green family earlier. 366 00:32:29,370.3628631 --> 00:32:47,204.1519734 March Green from the Green Family who is also very much instrumental in the every tribe, every nation gospel, or excuse me, Bible translation movement, which, has been going for about the last, almost 15 years in, in putting the Bible into all 6,000 languages on Earth. 367 00:32:47,924.1519734 --> 00:32:49,814.1519734 And to do it by 2033. 368 00:32:50,234.1519734 --> 00:33:02,354.1519734 And so he saw Mark Green, saw that the chosen was telling this extraordinary story, but it wasn't gonna be translated to more than 50 languages because through a commercial distribution, that's all they really could. 369 00:33:03,119.1519734 --> 00:33:04,709.1519734 That's all that's viable commercially. 370 00:33:05,309.1519734 --> 00:33:13,499.1519734 And he knew that to get it to the world, this extraordinary story, to get it to the world, we needed to do at least 600 languages, which is 95% of the world. 371 00:33:13,499.1519734 --> 00:33:14,579.1519734 That's their heart language. 372 00:33:15,59.1519734 --> 00:33:17,819.1519734 So then a new relationship was formed between Cummins. 373 00:33:17,819.1519734 --> 00:33:19,109.1519734 See, we formed the nonprofit. 374 00:33:19,109.1519734 --> 00:33:20,309.1519734 I was the founding CEO. 375 00:33:20,954.1519734 --> 00:33:28,324.1519734 And the goal was really to to make it possible for a billion people to experience the authentic Jesus. 376 00:33:28,744.1519734 --> 00:33:29,854.1519734 And that was Dallas's heart. 377 00:33:29,854.1519734 --> 00:33:32,134.1519734 When he first started, he said, I wanna reach a billion people. 378 00:33:32,404.1519734 --> 00:33:33,904.1519734 Oh, I wanna always make it free. 379 00:33:34,414.1519734 --> 00:33:37,534.1519734 So that's why in the app and the chosen app, the show's always gonna be free. 380 00:33:37,624.1519734 --> 00:33:40,804.1519734 And, there are other, theaters and streaming services. 381 00:33:41,374.1519734 --> 00:33:43,354.1519734 Cost something, but we always wanna make it free. 382 00:33:43,354.1519734 --> 00:33:47,224.1519734 And we're developing more technology so it's accessible around the world. 383 00:33:47,614.1519734 --> 00:33:56,104.1519734 So there's a light app that's being developed, but right now in the iOS store or the Android store, you can just download the chosen app for free and watch episodes right through your phone. 384 00:33:56,644.1519734 --> 00:33:58,744.1519734 And, so what happened. 385 00:33:58,744.1519734 --> 00:34:04,264.1519734 And so come and see came in starting with season four and now we just completed, we're completing funding for season six. 386 00:34:04,804.1519734 --> 00:34:06,664.1519734 And really three things. 387 00:34:07,144.1519734 --> 00:34:13,894.1519734 we call it our three pillars for come and see, which is a nonprofit and, and people can now give to come and see. 388 00:34:13,954.1519734 --> 00:34:19,294.1519734 And there's, a hundred percent of, the, every dollar goes toward three things. 389 00:34:19,534.1519734 --> 00:34:22,744.1519734 The first is production, and we call that appeal to the one. 390 00:34:23,584.1519734 --> 00:34:27,664.1519734 there's something about when you see something experience, it appeals and it speaks to you. 391 00:34:28,264.1519734 --> 00:34:29,584.1519734 And then the translation. 392 00:34:30,164.1519734 --> 00:34:31,664.1519734 Is, it speaks to your heart. 393 00:34:32,54.1519734 --> 00:34:35,819.1519734 And Jason, I've been in all over the world watching people. 394 00:34:36,539.1519734 --> 00:34:38,459.1519734 Watch the chosen in their language. 395 00:34:38,699.1519734 --> 00:34:41,99.1519734 And probably the most touching for me was in Egypt. 396 00:34:41,729.1519734 --> 00:34:49,214.5336653 we were part of actually a, an organization a church, in Cairo, the largest evangelical church in Middle East, and they have a camp every year. 397 00:34:49,214.5336653 --> 00:34:50,744.5336653 And they brought us in. 398 00:34:50,744.5336653 --> 00:34:53,744.5336653 We had an actor there and we showed the chosen in Egyptian Arabic. 399 00:34:54,524.5336653 --> 00:35:00,369.5336653 And I watched as these, mostly Christians, but there were some, non-Christians in the audience as well. 400 00:35:01,469.5336653 --> 00:35:06,509.5336653 As they watched the chosen episode in Egyptian Arabic, it, touched them right here in their heart. 401 00:35:06,659.5336653 --> 00:35:10,559.5336653 And you could just tell, and, people were, at the end. 402 00:35:10,559.5336653 --> 00:35:16,139.5336653 We gave an invitation and people gave their life to Christ because they saw this true story, but they could experience it that way. 403 00:35:16,701.972087 --> 00:35:23,541.972087 then the last is give to the world, which is working with ministries like Lizanne, like crew. 404 00:35:24,66.972087 --> 00:35:26,856.972087 Like prison fellowship, like One Hope Alpha. 405 00:35:27,216.972087 --> 00:35:30,596.972087 We have more than a hundred different ministries who are taking this. 406 00:35:30,596.972087 --> 00:35:32,276.972087 And we license the show for free. 407 00:35:32,606.972087 --> 00:35:37,136.972087 So they can take this and use it as an application or we, call it like a catalyst. 408 00:35:37,406.972087 --> 00:35:42,576.972087 A catalyst is something you add to an existing system or ministry philosophy. 409 00:35:43,161.972087 --> 00:35:46,191.972087 And it energizes and it maybe even accelerates that. 410 00:35:46,251.972087 --> 00:35:57,981.972087 And I'll, one example would be, would be Alpha, you mentioned it, that Alpha has used it very effectively in their group settings, in churches where they're talking about answering questions and then showing an episode. 411 00:35:57,981.972087 --> 00:36:01,71.972087 And it can be very, effective 'cause it does spark questions. 412 00:36:01,681.972087 --> 00:36:05,106.972087 And so I think it's that those are the three things that we really strive for. 413 00:36:05,106.972087 --> 00:36:05,886.972087 And so as we. 414 00:36:06,246.972087 --> 00:36:06,966.972087 Then raise money. 415 00:36:06,966.972087 --> 00:36:15,126.972087 We apply it to the production pay for all the production, all the translation work being done, and then working with ministries to make this go out to the farthest corners of the world. 416 00:36:15,476.4627929 --> 00:36:21,386.4627929 So one of the things that I would love to, to connect with you on has to do with this idea of collaborations. 417 00:36:21,636.4627929 --> 00:36:29,826.4627929 You at L four, we spoke a lot about collaborative action, and the truth with collaboration is that it is slow. 418 00:36:30,341.4627929 --> 00:36:41,331.4627929 if you, if you wanna go fast, you go alone, but if you want to go far, you go together and obviously you have this massive project, 600 Lang languages billion people. 419 00:36:41,631.4627929 --> 00:36:47,152.4627929 that is a, huge vision as you partnered with Alpha and Crew and you version and others. 420 00:36:47,985.3825454 --> 00:37:04,85.8820149 how have you seen these, collaborations amplify one, the chosen to reach an impact, but what have you learned? I think for me that is a key is what have you learned about the power of collaboration and maybe some advice for those of us who are a bit frustrated as we're going too slowly in our collaboration. 421 00:37:04,250.8831487 --> 00:37:09,869.2164821 it's, it is been a learning process for us, and we're finding that there are so many quality, high quality. 422 00:37:10,659.2164821 --> 00:37:14,529.2164821 Organizations that, have the purpose of sharing Christ with the world. 423 00:37:14,891.4345231 --> 00:37:23,561.4345231 and you mentioned, I'm just gonna give a quick little story about Alpha birth in the uk, but they're global and they're, working even to other traditions. 424 00:37:23,771.4345231 --> 00:37:27,971.4345231 they're come out of the Anglican tradition, as but they also now are bridging to the Catholic church. 425 00:37:27,971.4345231 --> 00:37:31,301.4345231 I've been in conferences with Catholics who love the chosen. 426 00:37:31,691.4345231 --> 00:37:41,970.4141897 Because it, and again, getting back to the heart of the stories presenting, we use the word authentic Jesus he's always been authentic, but sometimes we, don't portray him that way or talk about him that way. 427 00:37:41,970.4141897 --> 00:37:46,320.4141897 But he is, real and he is relatable. 428 00:37:46,470.4141897 --> 00:37:48,870.4141897 Those are two things about, authenticity. 429 00:37:48,870.4141897 --> 00:37:51,510.4141897 It's gotta be real, but it's gotta be relatable. 430 00:37:51,510.4141897 --> 00:37:57,170.4141897 And it's showing that Jesus, who we can relate to, and I'll just say my own personal story. 431 00:37:57,950.4141897 --> 00:38:01,190.4141897 Jason is I grew up in a Christian home. 432 00:38:01,190.4141897 --> 00:38:02,420.4141897 I sold books. 433 00:38:02,450.4141897 --> 00:38:03,200.4141897 I've written books. 434 00:38:03,680.4141897 --> 00:38:10,280.4141897 But it was almost like Jesus was more of an object, someone to know about rather than someone to know. 435 00:38:10,310.4141897 --> 00:38:11,630.4141897 And there's a big difference in that. 436 00:38:11,870.4141897 --> 00:38:16,460.4141897 We can know about something, but when you know someone, it becomes very personal. 437 00:38:16,460.4141897 --> 00:38:22,280.4141897 I've been touched in many ways by just experiencing Jesus in this authentic portrayal. 438 00:38:22,280.4141897 --> 00:38:23,150.4141897 I know they're actors. 439 00:38:23,660.4141897 --> 00:38:32,840.4141897 But they're telling a true story and it's, based in scripture, but then they fle, they give Jesus a personality that we know he had, but you don't always pick that up. 440 00:38:33,170.4141897 --> 00:38:40,520.4141897 And his tenderness and his love and his joy, and yet in his grieving, you see all of that comes to play. 441 00:38:40,760.4141897 --> 00:38:44,570.4141897 So I feel for me, and I think that's where you connect with, others. 442 00:38:44,570.4141897 --> 00:38:46,370.4141897 And so Alpha, just a quick story. 443 00:38:46,940.4141897 --> 00:38:53,418.5865077 and we actually, see it, through YouTube and, This gentleman was in Hindu Rays in South Africa. 444 00:38:53,958.5865077 --> 00:38:56,643.5865077 He moved to Wales to teach science. 445 00:38:57,573.5865077 --> 00:39:00,453.5865077 In a high school and he brought his family there. 446 00:39:00,453.5865077 --> 00:39:07,923.5865077 So he's this Hindu, in, Wales, and he starts having shortness of breath, gets diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. 447 00:39:07,923.5865077 --> 00:39:12,303.5865077 He's got four months to live and they basically, you might as well just go home and die basically. 448 00:39:12,603.5865077 --> 00:39:16,833.5865077 So a friend of his who would befriend him says, why don't you watch this show called The Chosen. 449 00:39:17,378.5865077 --> 00:39:18,638.5865077 I think you'd like it. 450 00:39:19,238.5865077 --> 00:39:20,408.5865077 And there was something in the show. 451 00:39:20,408.5865077 --> 00:39:26,78.5865077 And when Jesus, he, we have a little clip that we do and we show a scene of Jesus talking and healing someone. 452 00:39:26,78.5865077 --> 00:39:32,558.5865077 He says, could that be me? and it wasn't just about healing, but about relating and seeing this person like compassion. 453 00:39:33,158.5865077 --> 00:39:38,738.5865077 And so he on his own then looked in the directory in his phone for a church that he could go to right there in Wales. 454 00:39:38,768.5865077 --> 00:39:40,508.5865077 And he found a church and he went there on his own. 455 00:39:40,958.5865077 --> 00:39:41,498.5865077 they had an alpha group. 456 00:39:42,768.5865077 --> 00:39:49,338.5865077 Then he joins us Alpha Group, and he's just exploring and questions are being answered and someone in the group then leads him to Christ. 457 00:39:49,818.5865077 --> 00:40:01,728.5865077 And he said, I thought science had all the answers, but they don't, it's like we were talking earlier, it doesn't, it's a wonderful thing we have, but does not answer the what makes meaning in life. 458 00:40:02,358.5865077 --> 00:40:07,218.5865077 And so he, at the end, he just says, I still have cancer, but now I have joy. 459 00:40:07,878.5865077 --> 00:40:10,68.5865077 Then at the very end it says, that was two years ago. 460 00:40:10,188.5865077 --> 00:40:14,538.5865077 So his four month diagnosis, he's now been extended to, at least two years. 461 00:40:14,868.5865077 --> 00:40:28,188.5865077 But it just shows you that collaboration of this show being available and someone suggesting here, why don't you watch it? And you watch it at home and experienced Jesus in a way that was truly remarkable. 462 00:40:28,338.5865077 --> 00:40:29,328.5865077 Found a church. 463 00:40:29,328.5865077 --> 00:40:33,528.5865077 So you have the church, the local church is so important and at that church is an alpha course. 464 00:40:33,933.5865077 --> 00:40:36,543.5865077 And he becomes a part of that and that community that brought him to that. 465 00:40:37,173.5865077 --> 00:40:51,223.5865077 and I can tell you different stories from other, ministries that have used the chosen that really those creative ways to be a and again, I use the word catalyst and I like that word because you could say it's a tool, but it's a catalyst. 466 00:40:51,223.5865077 --> 00:40:55,243.5865077 Because a catalyst adds to and energizes it can speed up. 467 00:40:55,873.5865077 --> 00:41:00,583.5865077 it's actually a scientific term for chemicals, right? When you add a catalyst, it kinda stirs it up a bit. 468 00:41:00,943.5865077 --> 00:41:02,713.5865077 So it is a catalyst to bring that. 469 00:41:03,313.5865077 --> 00:41:07,573.5865077 Two, whatever that ministry is doing already, there's a ministry called Prison Fellowship. 470 00:41:07,573.5865077 --> 00:41:11,263.5865077 I think it's they may have in South Africa, but it's global. 471 00:41:11,383.5865077 --> 00:41:15,733.5865077 Started in the US and a lot of prisoners can't read it. 472 00:41:15,733.5865077 --> 00:41:19,663.5865077 Just, it's it, but they're right brained, right? Which is that creative side. 473 00:41:19,993.5865077 --> 00:41:23,593.5865077 And so they're showing the prison in showing the chosen in prisons. 474 00:41:24,223.5865077 --> 00:41:26,383.5865077 And these prisoners are just like, wow. 475 00:41:27,388.5865077 --> 00:41:29,758.5865077 Oh, by the way, Jesus had trouble with the authorities. 476 00:41:30,718.5865077 --> 00:41:33,328.5865077 so he there's something to relate to here, this guy. 477 00:41:33,328.5865077 --> 00:41:33,748.5865077 Yeah. 478 00:41:34,77.4109351 --> 00:41:40,791.2365055 and we find, and I could give you dozens of examples of that, but collaboration, it's really everybody bringing their best to the table. 479 00:41:42,126.2365055 --> 00:41:55,956.2365055 We're not gonna be able to duplicate that on our own as come and see foundation, but by, by working together, partnering with, collaborating with existing ministries that already have a, an impact, whether it's local or global, is extraordinary. 480 00:41:55,956.2365055 --> 00:42:00,606.2365055 One more quick story, because you can have the big, al's big global organization. 481 00:42:00,786.2365055 --> 00:42:02,406.2365055 There's a ministry called the Bucket Ministry. 482 00:42:02,936.2365055 --> 00:42:07,46.2365055 And they operate in slums, primarily in the, least. 483 00:42:07,46.2365055 --> 00:42:12,296.2365055 Where the worst places of the world where the drinking water is, toxic, but that's all they have. 484 00:42:12,476.2365055 --> 00:42:15,716.2365055 it's running, down, down the middle of the, road. 485 00:42:16,166.2365055 --> 00:42:20,276.2365055 And so they developed this, system where they had these five gallon buckets and they put a filter on it. 486 00:42:20,486.2365055 --> 00:42:21,356.2365055 You can literally pour. 487 00:42:22,271.2365055 --> 00:42:27,521.2365055 Toxic water into that and now comes clean and they provide it and it immediately improves the health of people. 488 00:42:27,521.2365055 --> 00:42:31,961.2365055 And then they go in this ministry and start talking to people about Jesus. 489 00:42:32,51.2365055 --> 00:42:37,571.2365055 And it started with a Jesus film, which is an extraordinary 40 years ago, was introduced. 490 00:42:38,291.2365055 --> 00:42:41,741.2365055 And so they have these iPads that they provide what Jesus film. 491 00:42:42,776.2365055 --> 00:42:46,646.2365055 Come and see, have now collaborated, and they're saying, yeah, go ahead. 492 00:42:46,646.2365055 --> 00:42:49,766.2365055 Use these iPads that we provided to show the chosen. 493 00:42:50,66.2365055 --> 00:43:00,775.4885055 And we just got a story just, just a few days ago of a woman in a slum in a terrible she's got a baby she's holding in her arms and she watched the chosen in Swahili. 494 00:43:01,135.4885055 --> 00:43:02,305.4885055 On this iPad. 495 00:43:02,635.4885055 --> 00:43:12,925.4885055 And when Mary, the first episode, Mary, who is possessed by seven demons, we know this from scripture, and Jesus redeems her, and that's the last scene in episode one of season one. 496 00:43:13,75.4885055 --> 00:43:14,395.4885055 He says, I redeemed you. 497 00:43:14,755.4885055 --> 00:43:15,805.4885055 I've called you by name. 498 00:43:15,805.4885055 --> 00:43:18,235.4885055 You are mine, and the demons leave her. 499 00:43:18,565.4885055 --> 00:43:25,705.4885055 And this woman in this slum watching in Swahili said it just touched her deeply and she gave her life to Christ. 500 00:43:25,705.4885055 --> 00:43:30,925.4885055 And it's who would've ever thought, And, here we are again. 501 00:43:30,925.4885055 --> 00:43:32,875.4885055 That's the, power of digital media. 502 00:43:33,565.4885055 --> 00:43:36,955.4885055 That it can in a place that barely has anything. 503 00:43:37,225.4885055 --> 00:43:48,925.4885055 And she's able to watch this because this ministry that probably nobody's heard of brought that in First they gave her clean water and then they bring the story in, and it's that story that just touched her deeply, the true story of Jesus. 504 00:43:50,74.5948758 --> 00:43:54,694.5948758 we're just, we're excited that there can be these kind of collaborations and partnerships. 505 00:43:54,694.5948758 --> 00:44:03,400.8352232 We love Uzon and I think we're just beginning Jason to be able to work together and I've been, asked to come to a meeting that's coming up here very soon with some leaderships. 506 00:44:03,400.8352232 --> 00:44:09,47.6246257 So we've just seen the beginning of what can happen with this great story that's going out to the nations. 507 00:44:09,372.6223582 --> 00:44:09,612.6223582 Yeah. 508 00:44:10,92.6223582 --> 00:44:12,612.6223582 I, just love to hear all those stories. 509 00:44:12,612.6223582 --> 00:44:21,792.6223582 I love to hear how people are coming to know Jesus and, I love to hear how, even the Jesus film we're willing to partner with you. 510 00:44:21,837.6246257 --> 00:44:22,147.6246257 Yeah. 511 00:44:22,302.6223582 --> 00:44:29,26.439609 me, that, going back to the word that's been throughout this, interview has been generosity and partnering together. 512 00:44:29,701.439609 --> 00:44:30,346.439609 it's stunning. 513 00:44:30,556.439609 --> 00:44:32,926.439609 so thank you for sharing that and hopefully it encourages. 514 00:44:33,301.439609 --> 00:44:37,531.439609 Others to be generous with their platforms and, with the opportunities they have. 515 00:44:38,251.439609 --> 00:44:41,701.439609 I want to, zone in and, maybe take this a little bit deeper. 516 00:44:42,11.439609 --> 00:44:48,11.439609 we are not just speaking to organizations here, we're speaking to individuals, we're speaking to leaders, we're speaking to believers. 517 00:44:48,521.439609 --> 00:45:02,789.1517217 How can those individuals partner with you and, use this resource, to advance the kingdom, to share the gospel, to reach people for Jesus? Yeah, we have, and you'll probably ask this, but we have come and see.net, 518 00:45:02,789.1517217 --> 00:45:04,619.1517217 which is our, website. 519 00:45:04,839.1517217 --> 00:45:10,179.1517217 Or you can go through the app, but in there is resources on the website. 520 00:45:10,239.1517217 --> 00:45:21,69.1517217 And as you click down, there's a place actually that will show how you can get a, we ask people, especially an organization, individuals, we don't ask for this, but in, to get a license. 521 00:45:21,544.1517217 --> 00:45:23,80.5692597 Because it's part of, for protection. 522 00:45:23,80.5692597 --> 00:45:24,460.5692597 And being shown commercially. 523 00:45:24,460.5692597 --> 00:45:29,110.5692597 And so we want to be, we wanna work together with the places where this is going, but it's free. 524 00:45:29,140.5692597 --> 00:45:30,880.5692597 And it just is a quick little application. 525 00:45:31,210.5692597 --> 00:45:33,220.5692597 But there's also ideas of how this can be used. 526 00:45:33,220.5692597 --> 00:45:40,330.5692597 And here's to the pastors listening is we have, dozens and dozens of clips. 527 00:45:40,820.5692597 --> 00:45:44,150.5692597 From the show, from all five episodes, us five seasons. 528 00:45:44,840.5692597 --> 00:45:46,970.5692597 And so there's a clip, I'll give you an example. 529 00:45:47,570.5692597 --> 00:45:49,940.5692597 the woman bleeding for 12 years story. 530 00:45:50,30.5692597 --> 00:45:59,900.5692597 if people know the bible, know that she reached out in the crowd as he was walking the heel, the daughter of Jairus and the crowds are pressing on him, and she reached out and touches the hem of his garment. 531 00:46:00,350.5692597 --> 00:46:04,670.5692597 And instantly Jesus said, who touched me? That's a wonderful story. 532 00:46:06,95.5692597 --> 00:46:17,615.5692597 and I've done this with pastors, so you, first read that story and then you show the clip and it's just to see this woman's pain that she's been enduring for all these years from her. 533 00:46:17,885.5692597 --> 00:46:21,755.5692597 She's been ostracized from family and from the temple and everything. 534 00:46:22,145.5692597 --> 00:46:25,865.5692597 And so when he does, she does reach out and touch his tassel. 535 00:46:26,420.5692597 --> 00:46:30,110.5692597 And is healed and he feels the power go out from him. 536 00:46:30,170.5692597 --> 00:46:34,640.5692597 And, he says, it's, not touching my garment that made the difference. 537 00:46:34,640.5692597 --> 00:46:35,420.5692597 It's your faith. 538 00:46:36,500.5692597 --> 00:46:40,50.5692597 And and he calls her daughter, right? And that's in scripture. 539 00:46:40,500.5692597 --> 00:46:41,880.5692597 It's not oh, they added that. 540 00:46:42,120.5692597 --> 00:46:43,830.5692597 And it's like she was nobody's daughter. 541 00:46:43,950.5692597 --> 00:46:46,650.5692597 And in the chosen, she actually responds, I'm nobody's daughter. 542 00:46:46,650.5692597 --> 00:46:48,330.5692597 And he says, yes, you are, you're mine. 543 00:46:49,20.5692597 --> 00:46:50,220.5692597 And it just, you melts. 544 00:46:50,220.5692597 --> 00:46:53,460.5692597 And I've seen pastors who probably heard this story and preached it. 545 00:46:53,865.5692597 --> 00:46:56,565.5692597 Dozens of times and just melt. 546 00:46:56,655.5692597 --> 00:47:00,375.5692597 And I see tears coming and we all, and I still get teared up when I watch somebody like that. 547 00:47:00,375.5692597 --> 00:47:08,55.5692597 'cause you feel the, emotion of what, how Jesus touched people and how he still touches people. 548 00:47:08,55.5692597 --> 00:47:21,225.5692597 So for me, I think as we, we talk with people, whether you're an individual showing it to, we have, my, my brother-in-law is a fairly new Christian and we've been taking him on a discipleship journey showing the chosen he is learning so much. 549 00:47:21,225.5692597 --> 00:47:25,455.5692597 And guess what else? It has motivated him to read scripture and for us. 550 00:47:25,455.5692597 --> 00:47:32,650.5692597 One of the, one of the true benefits of watching is that you want to read the Bible From that we're all familiar with the U version app. 551 00:47:34,75.5692597 --> 00:47:39,115.5692597 right now the chosen is the number one means by which people now sign up for YouVersion. 552 00:47:39,115.5692597 --> 00:47:44,905.5692597 They wanna watch episodes there, and then in each episode at the end, they give you bible reading plan for that episode. 553 00:47:45,85.5692597 --> 00:47:48,955.5692597 Here's the scripture that goes with that, and Bible project has collaborated with YouVersion. 554 00:47:49,635.5692597 --> 00:48:02,772.8890543 To bring these episodes of the chosen so that people can watch it and then go and find a Bible reading plan or to my, when I said we, we showed clip, pastors can use it as, and there we have sermon outlines that they can use a clip and show it. 555 00:48:02,772.8890543 --> 00:48:04,722.8890543 And I've talked to pastors who use certain. 556 00:48:05,182.8890543 --> 00:48:09,682.8890543 Clips that just enhance the story that, that they're, a sermon that they're preaching. 557 00:48:09,682.8890543 --> 00:48:13,762.8890543 So whether it's an individual or an organization, we love that. 558 00:48:13,762.8890543 --> 00:48:18,507.8890543 And I would encourage, and in fact, I'll give you my email if anybody listening wants to reach out, just Stan. 559 00:48:19,597.8890543 --> 00:48:21,7.8890543 At come and see.net. 560 00:48:21,247.8890543 --> 00:48:21,787.8890543 Real simple. 561 00:48:21,787.8890543 --> 00:48:29,392.3825283 You can get in touch with me and we have a distribution, philosophy or, a plan that we can help with. 562 00:48:29,392.3825283 --> 00:48:35,992.3825283 But we want to, we wanna work with organizations, individuals, what works best for you, rather than put a template. 563 00:48:35,992.3825283 --> 00:48:37,252.3825283 So you've gotta use it this way. 564 00:48:37,642.3825283 --> 00:48:42,442.3825283 And, and I tell you, Jason, what's coming with season six. 565 00:48:42,967.3825283 --> 00:48:46,627.3825283 The crucifixion season, it's going to rock the world. 566 00:48:46,657.3825283 --> 00:48:47,977.3825283 I have no doubt. 567 00:48:48,397.3825283 --> 00:48:50,677.3825283 this, the world is waiting for this story. 568 00:48:51,517.3825283 --> 00:49:00,697.3825283 and it's, being filmed right now in production and, it's, it's, the greatest love story ever, Is the crucifixion. 569 00:49:01,102.3825283 --> 00:49:09,892.3825283 God so loved the world that he gave his son, and by giving meaning he gave him on the cross, he gave him to, to, death, and then to raise him again. 570 00:49:10,552.3825283 --> 00:49:15,57.3825283 And I think the world is so ready and it's such it's story of hope that is so needed. 571 00:49:15,877.3825283 --> 00:49:22,477.3825283 And yet we're gonna have to go through that journey with Jesus, right? And we see that in season five, up to the Garden of Gethsemane and his betrayal. 572 00:49:22,807.3825283 --> 00:49:25,957.3825283 But then season six will give those just one day. 573 00:49:26,17.3825283 --> 00:49:33,247.3825283 The whole season is one day and it's gonna show what he went through so that he could then die for us and give us life. 574 00:49:33,307.3825283 --> 00:49:39,397.3825283 And I mean it's in, in our plan is to open it in 60 countries and 25 languages. 575 00:49:39,497.3825283 --> 00:49:41,717.3825283 When that comes out at the end of 2026. 576 00:49:42,512.0680459 --> 00:49:43,172.0680459 Lots to do. 577 00:49:43,172.0680459 --> 00:49:44,762.0680459 But it's the story. 578 00:49:44,762.0680459 --> 00:49:54,362.0680459 It, the story is resonating and it's gonna, it's, the power of, the gospel, as you said, the gospel, which is a good news story, right? That's what the gospel is. 579 00:49:54,362.0680459 --> 00:50:00,262.0680459 The good news story that we have a savior and he lived here. 580 00:50:00,892.0680459 --> 00:50:05,272.0680459 He's, he was like us, didn't sin, but he was like us, so we can relate to him. 581 00:50:05,302.0680459 --> 00:50:05,962.0680459 He's real. 582 00:50:06,352.0680459 --> 00:50:08,992.0680459 And yeah, he did something extraordinary for us. 583 00:50:09,482.7255294 --> 00:50:09,722.7255294 Yeah. 584 00:50:09,722.7255294 --> 00:50:24,452.7255294 Stan, what you guys have been able to produce has been a beautiful gift to the church, and it's wonderful to hear the vision to take this beyond, just the, 50 languages to 600 languages. 585 00:50:24,762.7255294 --> 00:50:29,772.7255294 I spent almost a decade in the pastoral ministry and I was always looking for resources. 586 00:50:30,917.7255294 --> 00:50:36,527.7255294 to use and integrate sermons to make things more relevant and, use, leverage the media. 587 00:50:36,617.7255294 --> 00:50:44,117.7255294 And it's just really encouraging to hear that you are making those kind of resources available that people have access to, these. 588 00:50:44,117.7255294 --> 00:50:48,737.7255294 We don't have to reinvent the wheel as, believers we have so much we can work with. 589 00:50:48,737.7255294 --> 00:50:55,67.7255294 And so I, I really hope for tho those who are listening that they have already clicked the show notes. 590 00:50:55,67.7255294 --> 00:51:03,574.0121913 'cause I'm gonna link to, everything that you've spoken about and, that we can use these resources that you are giving a freely to, the global church. 591 00:51:03,574.0121913 --> 00:51:04,774.0121913 And I want to thank you for that. 592 00:51:04,774.0121913 --> 00:51:06,754.0121913 I wanna thank you for the effort that you're putting into that. 593 00:51:07,939.1093753 --> 00:51:15,299.4669852 begin to close off the interview, do you have any final thoughts or words of encouragement that you'd like to, share with us? I wanna thank. 594 00:51:16,89.4669852 --> 00:51:21,879.4669852 of those, and I don't want make this a pitch, but we do depend on people giving to come and see. 595 00:51:22,329.4669852 --> 00:51:25,959.4669852 We've had more than 200,000 people who have brought their loaves and fishes. 596 00:51:25,959.4669852 --> 00:51:34,476.4503288 And that's a theme you'll see the chosen, in fact, the production side of the chosen, it's called five and two studios, five loaves and two fishes is what that's from. 597 00:51:35,106.4503288 --> 00:51:36,726.4503288 And 200,000 people. 598 00:51:36,726.4503288 --> 00:51:40,116.4503288 And so these are the partners, the collaborators. 599 00:51:40,821.4503288 --> 00:51:53,451.4503288 with us individuals from a $10 gift to something much larger that is making it possible in people if feel invested in it, literally, but also spiritually into what's going on. 600 00:51:53,451.4503288 --> 00:51:59,181.4503288 So we value so much people who have, given from their own resources so that this can be possible. 601 00:51:59,421.4503288 --> 00:52:03,531.4503288 And again, I said earlier that a hundred percent all of our overhead's covered. 602 00:52:04,4.0788152 --> 00:52:04,634.0788152 of come and see. 603 00:52:04,634.0788152 --> 00:52:12,674.0788152 So a hundred percent of every dollar goes toward the production, the translation, and the distribution to ministries through ministries, to the world. 604 00:52:12,974.0788152 --> 00:52:17,914.0788152 So yeah, I would just encourage people, First of all, experience it for yourself. 605 00:52:18,184.0788152 --> 00:52:23,614.0788152 you can watch it and, it's, something that you can share with others. 606 00:52:23,614.0788152 --> 00:52:35,889.8245916 And I think pastors, if you're a pastor listening, one of my big, heart desires is for churches to begin using as well, not just in a sermon clip, but also, especially as season six comes out. 607 00:52:36,819.8245916 --> 00:52:44,919.8245916 To show people we, crew or Campus Crusade, formerly crew, they use what they call watch parties on college campuses, and they invite students to come in and watch it. 608 00:52:44,919.8245916 --> 00:52:46,179.8245916 And then they have, then they talk about it. 609 00:52:47,79.8245916 --> 00:53:00,442.6672163 it's not, something that you're gonna feel like, oh man, am I gonna be, are they gonna come at me now? No, let's just have a conversation about it and that conversation ultimately to the big questions, what does that mean for me? How do I, what do I do next kind of thing. 610 00:53:00,442.6672163 --> 00:53:01,882.6672163 And Crew does a great job. 611 00:53:02,302.6672163 --> 00:53:05,512.6672163 And of course they produce a Jesus film, right? This has been out 40 years. 612 00:53:05,752.6672163 --> 00:53:13,707.6672163 It's funny, there's, historically, it was, at least in kinda the last decade, or excuse me, the last century, but every 40 years there's a new story about Jesus that comes out. 613 00:53:15,137.6672163 --> 00:53:17,147.6672163 And it was 40 years ago, it was a Jesus film. 614 00:53:17,597.6672163 --> 00:53:25,7.6672163 And now we have the chosen, it's still the same story, but just being told in a way that is relevant for that generation. 615 00:53:25,337.6672163 --> 00:53:28,727.6672163 And so God loves his, the story of the Son going out. 616 00:53:29,207.6672163 --> 00:53:33,677.6672163 And I think that's, he started all with the Bible, right? His scripture to tell us that story. 617 00:53:34,67.6672163 --> 00:53:36,317.6672163 And of course, and again. 618 00:53:37,487.6672163 --> 00:53:40,937.6672163 as we say too, the chosen is not, it's a TV show. 619 00:53:41,57.6672163 --> 00:53:42,287.6672163 It is not the gospel. 620 00:53:42,647.6672163 --> 00:53:47,87.6672163 It is telling the story of Jesus, where people will meet the living God. 621 00:53:48,47.6672163 --> 00:53:54,197.6672163 And, start to hear his story and experience it is through scripture, right? That's where the Holy Spirit's gonna come in. 622 00:53:54,197.6672163 --> 00:53:57,437.6672163 But this chosen is a catalyst to get people there. 623 00:53:57,437.6672163 --> 00:54:02,628.0173535 So we're huge with, partnering with, organizations do that are getting scripture out. 624 00:54:02,718.0173535 --> 00:54:04,218.0173535 One in particular, one hope. 625 00:54:04,568.9825339 --> 00:54:16,828.3788437 their goal is, a Bible for every child, and they've given away a billion Bibles and a booklet called The Book of Hope, wonderful collaboration that one hope has with, come and see using the chosen in their application. 626 00:54:17,488.3788437 --> 00:54:22,228.3788437 anyway, I could go on, but you, your, questions are so good, but thank you for the opportunity. 627 00:54:22,541.7099094 --> 00:54:27,701.7099094 No, Stan, I really appreciate the time that you've given to us as a podcast audience. 628 00:54:27,738.7539127 --> 00:54:40,694.6005118 I've personally benefited and enjoyed spending time with you and picking your brain and hearing your insights, both from your experience and from the chosen and hearing more about the initiatives that you, guys have been involved with. 629 00:54:40,846.9863565 --> 00:54:44,86.9863565 I'm genuinely encouraged and I pray for you. 630 00:54:44,86.9863565 --> 00:54:45,586.9863565 I pray for your organization. 631 00:54:45,616.9863565 --> 00:54:48,496.9863565 I pray for, the chosen that. 632 00:54:48,701.9863565 --> 00:55:00,0.1633462 You will all continue to reach more and partner with more and that the gospel will hopefully reach the end of the earth before, I pass away as you spoke about in the beginning. 633 00:55:00,810.1633462 --> 00:55:01,110.1633462 So, yeah. 634 00:55:01,110.1633462 --> 00:55:02,250.1633462 I really appreciate you. 635 00:55:02,280.1633462 --> 00:55:03,395.1633462 Thank you for taking the time. 636 00:55:03,970.1656138 --> 00:55:04,720.1656138 Thank you Jason. 637 00:55:04,720.1656138 --> 00:55:05,655.1633462 God bless Yeah. 638 00:55:06,823.9030446 --> 00:55:10,913.9030446 Well, I hope that you enjoyed this episode of the Lausanne Movement Podcast. 639 00:55:11,193.9030446 --> 00:55:17,123.9030446 If you did enjoy the show, I want to encourage you to leave us a rating and review and share it with a friend. 640 00:55:17,612.5255804 --> 00:55:18,412.5255804 Till next week. 641 00:55:18,782.5255804 --> 00:55:19,232.5255804 Cheers.

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