June 2, 2025 • 64 mins
Episode: 00269 Released on June 2, 2025 Description: In this special 5th anniversary episode, Jason Elder and Mindy Duong reflect on half a decade of Analyst Talk with Jason Elder. From launching five episodes in June 2020 to consistently publishing every Monday since, the duo recounts the journey that has shaped the podcast and the law enforcement analysis community.
They discuss the evolution of the show, including favorite segments like “Don’t Be That Analyst,” the rise of deep dive series, and the development of other shows like Cocktails and Crime Analysis. Jason and Mindy also explore recurring themes that emerged from hundreds of interviews—mental health, professional growth, imposter syndrome, and the importance of networking.
Tune in for behind-the-scenes insights, plenty of laughs, and a heartfelt thank-you to the guests, listeners, and volunteers who have made the show what it is today. Whether you’ve been here since episode one or you’re just joining the ride, this episode is for you.
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Welcome to Analyst Talk with Jason Elder.
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It's like coffee with an analyst,or it could be whiskey with an
analyst reading a spreadsheet,linking crime events, identifying a
series, and getting the latest scoopon association news and training.
So please don't beat that analystand join us as we define the law
enforcement analysis profession.
One episode at a time.
Thank you for joining me.
I hope many aspects ofyour life are progressing.
My name is Jason Elder andtoday it is anniversary day.
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Happy anniversary to LEA podcastand analyst talk with Jason Elder.
Five years since we started onthis endeavor and I can't think of
anybody else that I would have asa guest with me on this episode.
Then one, miss Mindy Duong.
Mindy, how are we doing?
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I'm good.
I'm excited.
How are you?
I am excited as well.
We were talking during the prep callthat obviously it's been five years and
what the hell are we gonna talk about?
Right.
Because I'm thinking like everyyear for our anniversary episode,
I always say the same thing,like, oh, we made it another year.
Oh, we made it another year.
Like I'm always surprised, but I know fivewas kind of that like I. Magic number of
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like, let's see if we can even make itlike that was kind of like our big goal.
So here we are.
And I'm like, okay, I wasn't prepared.
Like I didn't think this far.
I'm like, oh, we made it now what?
Well, yeah, we launched fiveepisodes at once on June 1st, 2020.
And I could have very well beenonly five, but we stuck it out.
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I remember three months once I got overthe three, month hump, I felt a little
bit of a relief that I'm like, okay, Iam getting through with the technical.
I'm getting better at editing, I'mgetting better at asking questions,
the more and more I did it overthose first three months, the more
confident I got that we could do this.
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Yeah, I think that makes sense.
Especially for you and me.
We're always like, oh,let's volunteer for this.
Let's volunteer for like our dayjobs, our families and everything.
So I'm like, oh, how do we squeezethis into our normal workload
already, our daily, weekly, whatever.
But you're right.
After that initial few months,it probably took me a bit longer
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to get used to it than you then.
Yeah, it was kind of like clockwork and.
I don't think we missed a single week.
May.
Maybe we were late publishing, but Ithink we published every Monday for
the past.
We have, we have been that consistent.
Yes.
Yeah.
Holidays and like we were there.
Yeah, that was one thing I am reallyproud of with the podcast is every Monday
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since June 1st, 2020, we have published anepisode and we've done special episodes.
So there have been times thatwe've published two episodes in
a week, but every Monday has beenAnalyst Talk with Jason Elder.
So that's been, that's been reallygreat, . Before we get too far, just
some housekeeping for the listeners.
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We are going to play a call insegment, our flagship calling segment.
Don't be that analyst.
If you have don't be that analyst of mine.
Get your calls in now.
But that we do also haveother call in segments.
We have the don't be that supervisorfavorite first job and of course,
shit you here in the office andthe shit you here in the office.
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I always tell my guest if they haveto edit the story to protect the
innocent, I'll still take the story,but I still get way better stories
off air than on air, unfortunately.
But we still get good shit,you hear in the office stories.
, Back to your point though, Iremember my wife when we were
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hitting 100, episodes mm-hmm.
She's like, you've publisheda hundred episodes.
And I'm like, yeah.
And she, she's like, wow.
And I don't think sherealized the consistency.
And obviously she knew, I knew I wasdoing it and knew that I was how much
time and effort it was, but she didn'thave any idea that it was that many.
And last week we published forAnalyst Talk with Jason Elder.
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It was the 268 episode for thechannel itself, LEA podcasts, we have
published over 350 podcast episodes.
So as I mentioned, , we havepublished special episodes.
We have done a mixture of,different episodes over the years.
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We had the Osborne tapes, whichKathleen Allen who's on the team, she
hosted and republished Deb Osborne'sinterviews from way back when.
She was the first to do podcastsfor law enforcement analysis.
And Kathleen did a greatjob of revitalizing those.
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Episodes and then also giving her ownspin on the topics of each episode.
Some of the other past shows that we had.
Paige Kenningale, the ACIA New Horizons podcast.
That was the podcast from the UKacross the pond like I used to say.
And Manuel OTeng crime Analysis frombetween the Tropics was another one
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that we had a couple years back.
And while not necessarily a podcast,Seth Potts had a show called Small
Steps with Seth Potts, and this is whereSeth gave tips and tricks on Excel.
So we have obviously done a little bitmore than just every Monday, but over 350.
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That's, that's a lot.
That's a lot of episodes, a lot ofcontent, a lot of people, and it's
been just a great conversation.
Obviously people that I don'tknow or didn't know before, they
were a guest on the podcast.
Everything's new, but even thepeople that I've met over the years.
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I mean, even the people that I'veknown for a decade or more, I
still learn something about them.
There's a, there's a ton of stuffthat I learned from people and, and
so that's been really nice to ask someof the questions that we do ask to get
beyond some of the stuff that you'llsee in people's bio or on their resume
or maybe what they post on LinkedIn.
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It's getting to know theirpersonal interests or some
of their accomplishments.
And just to get a little bit about whothey are as a person, not just an analyst.
One thing I'm curious for ourlisteners is I wonder how many people
initiated conversations with ourguests of like, oh, hey, I heard you
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on the podcast, and like, that's socool that you're doing X, Y, and Z.
Like, I'm also doing X, Y, and z.I wonder how often that happens.
I know for me, I do it often whenit's like, oh, hey, like, thank
you for being on our podcast.
Like, here's a button.
And then like, I would just randomlyjust start off like random conversations.
Like, oh, hey, you talked about this.
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Like, can you elaborate on it?
Or like, Hey, can I ask you more?
So.
I do that.
I don't know how often people do that.
yeah.
And those that do want to emailthe show, the email address
is lea podcast@gmail.com.
, My question for you was going to belike, something along the lines of,
is this how you envision the podcastand does it achieve its goals?
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And I know we don't have reallywell-defined goals, but I'll share
mind first, give you some time justso you're not like cut off court.
So one of my goals and like missionthat I thought going into the podcast
is wanting to strengthen our community.
Like, yes, we have IACA,yes, we have IALEIA.
Yes, we have all thesedifferent associations,
but , especially we're all over.
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For all over the world, you know?
So I'm, I'm wondering, like,has the podcast, like, do you
feel closer to the community?
Do you feel like you knowpeople within the community?
Or is it just like a randomperson telling you a, a story so
that's what I'm curious about.
I don't, I don't know how to track that.
Like, what, what do we do?
Like here's a survey question with one to10, rate your closeness to the community.
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Like, I don't, I don't know how to likegauge it, but if there's a listener,
if you wanna send us an email or justDM me, or if you see me in person, just
let know, just casually like, yeah,I do feel closer to the community.
And like I said, it's especiallyI, I love working with students
and newer analysts especially.
So I'm just curious, like, do,do you feel more connected?
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Do you feel like people, do youfeel like you're set up for success?
I wanna be sure that obviouslylike personal bias 'cause I'm on
this, but like, I, I find likethe stories all are fascinating.
But I also learned something.
So I'm always curious about like whatpeople take away from the episodes,
and that's what I mean, like, didwe achieve what we sought out to do?
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I feel that yes, we've accomplishedour goal in the beginning, as we
mentioned the, the consistency aboutPublishing every Monday we did that.
The variety of guests that we'vehad on the show, we've done that.
Giving the analyst a voice totell their story, to tell their
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perspective, we've done that.
I feel where the podcast has fallenshort is the fact that there's still
so many people left to interview.
There's so many more analysts soin one regard, yes, to interview
over 300 people for the show.
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I've made a little bit of a dent inknowing the community, but I know there's
so many people that I don't know, andevery time that I go to a conference or
I go to a training or somebody pops upon LinkedIn, it's a brand new person.
I was like, I have don't know who thatperson is and we're gonna get connected.
So there's just so many people outthere, so many more analysts to
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interview that I'm never going to get to.
Interview them all, but the onesthat we have interviewed, has been so
rewarding to hear their stories, fora lot for young people as well, for
those that listen to the show that areeither just starting out as analysts or
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they're looking to get into the field.
The message of listening to experiencedanalysts is that you're not alone.
We all started at that point whereyou are now wanting to get in or
just starting and wanting to learn,we all went through these trials
and tribulations to figure out.
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What type of analyst wewere going to become.
So, yeah, there's so many stories.
I, I, I know this is a audio podcast.
Sometimes I do wish it was visual.
Mm-hmm.
Because like I said,it's just like I'm here.
I'm just thinking.
So like, I have my thinking face on,but you can't hear my thinking face.
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And like, I, I don't wanna just like.
Talk just to talk, just to make noise.
Mm-hmm.
Because then I, like, I can't talk andlike think of the next one real fast.
I'm like can you gimme five secondsto like collect my thoughts?
Sure, thanks.
But I'm trying to like, okay,do we continue on with this?
Like, do I ask follow up question?
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How deep do we wanna go downthis rabbit hole, you know?
Yeah.
No, this is what I do.
This is what I do in the interview.
Do I ask another follow up questionor do I move on to the next topic?
Yeah.
So some behind the scenes stuff, guys.
Yeah,
Since the beginning.
What, themes or messagesoverall like stood out to you.
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So I think the one that surprised me themost that I did not see coming, if I'm
interviewing myself from five years ago.
Myself from five years ago would reallybe surprised on the, the concept of mental
health and how much has been brought upon the show for analysts from , the stuff
that they see, the stuff that they read.
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I think with real time crime centers goingon, where analysts are watching cameras,
they're being exposed to live events likethey never were before, the mental toll
has been talked about way more than what Iever imagined and there's certain, themes
that that make sense given that it is apodcast about a particular profession.
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So the education, the certification,the learning, the tools of
the trade, those those are.
Themes that come up time and time again.
One thing that doesn't come up thatI'm really surprised doesn't come up
more is about RMS because most people,most analysts are not happy with their
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RMS, but that's one of those thingsthat not too many analysts talk about.
Maybe, maybe they've just given up, maybethey have learned helplessness when it
comes to RMS, but that's one that I knowgoing in five years ago that I thought
was going to be a continual topic.
It's really not something that reallyhasn't been brought up all that much.
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One thing that comes up alot , that I'm really surprised.
About as well is the advice of networkingthat people have to be told to network.
Which I find funny because I wouldthink that would come naturally,
but for whatever reason, I thinksome analysts don't network.
And so that is something that experiencedanalysts really point out to young
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analysts is to get out there and network.
And I think another one that goeshand in hand with that is to get
out from your desk and go out intothe world and experience the world,
experience the crime, not, I mean,not experience where the crime happens
and get onto on the street and, and gobeyond what the data is telling you.
Just don't go based on the data.
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And I think those two go handin hand about networking and
getting out from under your deskand, and go analyze the world.
I'm sorry, I didn't wanna likeinterrupt you with like my
giggles, but experienced a cry.
I know what you're talkingabout, but just a way I call
myself.
I didn't mean to, so Yeah,like go, go be a victim.
Yeah, go.
Yeah, just go like in the middleof the busy, like, Hey, here's my
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wallet, here's my, like, I'm lookingto get robbed for research please.
Or, I mean, how am I supposed tocatch an auto beef if I don't know
how to like hot wire car myself.
I gotta break it into my cell.
Oh.
So that's how the,
I'm gonna take a survey.
Will you take this survey afterwards?
I wanna know your motivation.
Yeah, it's just for research.
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I swear Officer, justdoing this for science.
I so swear I'm an aspiring crime analyst.
So for networking, it, it is somethingthat I see people recommend a lot, I
think one thing that we're, that we cando better is elaborating how to network.
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Like you said, like you think it wouldcome naturally and stuff, but sometimes
like people don't know how to likestart a conversation, for example.
It's like, oh, I addedthis person on LinkedIn.
Like, cool, but sure.
But we're not really networking, you know?
And I think another thing thatpeople get confused of like, oh, when
you network with someone, they'resupposed to like help you get a job.
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And I don't, I don't thinkthat's like, correct.
Like, it's like I, I would havepeople reach out to me and be like,
Hey, can you look up my resume?
I guess whatever.
But it's also like, oh, hey, doyou know of any job openings?
Like, I mean, as much as any otherperson that uses like LinkedIn or
Indeed, or government jobs, whatever.
Right?
But it's like, okay,I don't even know you.
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Like, you're just a, like, I, I getit, like maybe in no other time me
and this person would ever connect,but it would be nice if like, okay, if
you're not just kind of using me for, Idon't, I don't know how to put it, but
the, but that's what I mean of like,I don't think we're clear, especially
for like students and expiring analystsof like what it means to network.
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Like what should your opening line be?
What should be your.
Whatever.
Right.
So I don't know if you have any specificquestions or things that you should ask.
I mean, I don't know.
I always like it when students arelike reaching out to me, like, Hey
my name's so and so I graduated.
Maybe they send me their resume, but it'sjust like, Hey, if you know anything or
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you have advice, like please let me know.
And it's like verygeneral and I like that.
But when it's like, Hey, youha, do you know of any jobs?
Like, no,
I think it goes well beyond the job.
Yeah.
It should even
well beyond your job.
I, I always think back and I've, I'vequoted him so many times on the show
captain Russ Neville from the CincinnatiPolice Department , gave me some
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advice that it has stuck with me allthese years, over 10, it's been over
10 years since he told me this, but.
He said, know and understandthe roles of everybody at the
police department, not literallyeverybody, but as many as you can.
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'Cause you never know when you're goingto need to contact that person and for
whatever reason, beyond, and this iswhere it goes beyond the job, right?
If you're, maybe you're not an analystnow, but you become an analyst.
Well, knowing people.
Locally, regionally,internationally may come up someday.
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If you need to get a hold of somebodyfor either a lo at a particular police
department, a particular location,or maybe it's a particular topic,
they're a subject matter expert,or maybe they know how to do some
certain technique or tool, use a tool.
, That's where the networkingcoming coming in, is knowing who
to contact when you need them.
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I, I understand like the benethat's the benefit of networking,
but how do you network?
That's not what you said though.
You said that, that you said you'venetworked a ask 'em about a job.
No, but that's what, no, I'm saying likethat's my experience of when people think
that, oh, I'm networking with Mindy.
But it's like, no, you justasked me a question like, is
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that considered networking?
And it's like this one time interactionthat I had with this person.
Like is that networking?
But that's, that's what I'm trying to say.
It's like I've gone the sameadvice throughout the years and
maybe it just comes more naturallyto like some people than not.
But I'm just trying to think of likesomeone who just started out their career,
they don't really know that many people.
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Maybe they know like you and me 'causeof like the podcast, maybe they know
our guests because of and so forth.
But again, like how do you break the ice?
What is the first thing you say?
I mean, it makes sense.
Like, okay, you're interested.
Join the Loco Association.
Be familiar of the IECA, like.
Directory, so analysts from all over.
Right.
But like I said, like I, I, I'm almostasking like, how do you talk to people?
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Like, essentially that's the wayI'm getting, like how do you talk to
the, how do you, how do you start?
Well, I mean, that is atotal different question.
It's just networking selfis, is very beneficial.
I mean, literally you literally,you're asking like how you
go up and up and meet people.
So, I would say mostpeople are willing to help.
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Mm-hmm.
Right.
I, I think just knowing, okay,what, what's the problem?
Who's the best person to ask?
Identify who that is.
And most of the time, once you findeither another analyst to, to network
with, they're, they're gonna bewilling to help you most of the time.
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Another thing to plug in with this.
We have show notes for all theseepisodes, and we have contact information
for every one of our guests and, andall of our guests would be happy to
help anybody that, that contacts them.
So it, I don't, I'm not necessarilygonna get into the one-on-one on how to
mingle, but I think a, a lot of it isjust asking, a simple meet and greet.
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Simple, just breaking the ice,talking with people and, and knowing
who they are, where they're from,and what's their area of expertise.
And I think the area of expertiseis one that probably gets lost.
The, or one that's not captured the most.
Right.
I think, I think it's prettyeasy to get somebody's name,
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title, and their location, whatpolice department they're from.
So the location is, is something usuallypretty easy to find if you're looking for
somebody from a particular jurisdiction.
But the area of expertise probably is theone that it doesn't get captured as much
and probably should be captured more.
Yeah, I would say how I learn aboutpeople's like area of expertise
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is I, I meet them at conferenceseven I, I see them on the agenda.
They usually have like their bio thereand just kind of read through it.
Usually when I attend.
A training.
I am one of those people that likespend my 15 minute break just like
waiting to like talk to the presenter.
They're like, oh, hey,like introduce myself.
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Like, that's a really interesting topic.
Like can we exchange contacts or whatever.
So that's how I've donenetworking at like.
Or like connecting with people, meetingwith people at training conferences.
And that's how I learn theirrespective expertise and stuff.
And I think it just comes with timebecause I don't know how e easy it
is to be like, who's an who, an IECis an expert in ex whatever, right?
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So that, that would be, I do
feel, I mean, I would hope it should bea lot easier to network at a conference
as opposed to just either cold callingsomebody from a jurisdiction or even
moving around your own department.
'cause mm-hmm.
If people aren't expecting it, they'rebusy, they got, they want to complete and
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you're coming in there knocking on theirdoor, asking them a bunch of questions.
So, , that, might bethe more difficult one.
But at, at, at a conference or atraining, networking should not all
be that all at that, that difficult.
Yeah.
The other thing that I try to do ifwe're just scaling it all the way down to
just people in your department, I mean.
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What I've done is try to pick a topicthat I know I can't really accomplish
without interacting with other people.
Mm-hmm.
So like an example, if I am doing a pieceon community corrections or something,
like I know I have to go meet withlike the community corrections people
and kind of learn what they're doing.
Like, Hey my name's Mindy.
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I'm over here.
I'm trying to do a piece on this.
Like, you guys are the experts.
Is this something we can, Idon't know, collaborate with?
And people are usuallyreally nice with it.
I'm trying to think of like, probablysomething similar at police departments of
like, oh, hey, I wanna do a piece on like.
Homicide or robbery, like, let mego talk to like the homicide or
robbery detective and so forth.
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Let's do one more question andlet's move on to the deep dives.
Yeah, I, I feel like I'veasked about the podcast.
I asked about the guests.
I also, I, I wanna ask, that's gonna bemy last question I wanna ask about you.
I know that we talked about likethe logistics of like putting
together the podcast and,.
Picking it up and doing allthis stuff, but like, I don't
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know , how has doing this?
Like, I don't wanna be dramatic.
How has it changed your life, you know?
I, I think to me, I, I still amnot comfortable with being known.
People find that funny when people findthat actually annoying, that they're
like, Hey, you have a bigger influence.
You have a bigger platform than whatyou think it is, and you should use it.
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But I still don't assume thateverybody knows who I am when
I walk into a room of analysts.
So I still do introduce myselfas if people don't know who I am.
And then they'll look at me like,of course we know who you are.
Still, after all these years,still not all that comfortable.
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I recently had the honor of being akeynote speaker at the Carolina Crime
Analysis Association Conference,just really a memorable experience.
Really enjoyed doing that,and I started out the speech
with, thank you for joining me.
I hope many aspects ofyour life are progressing.
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The number of faces that lit up, thatrecognized that introduction was awesome.
, To see the faces of everybody, somany people recognizing that,, the
listen to the podcast that were in theroom, it was just a, a great feeling.
So I, I think in, in the one way, I,I still feel a little uncomfortable
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with being known, but at the sametime, I am still happy with all that
the podcast has given as created.
And the, so I guess some ofthe, quote unquote celebrity
status that it has given me.
It's funny 'cause I get that too, of like.
Well, what is it?
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Because I only recorded it onceand I just kind of forgot about it.
But it was like, welcome to Analysttalk, Jason Alder, whatever, right?
Mm-hmm.
And it's funny 'cause I recordedthat once, like when we first started
like five whatever years ago, right?
And.
I listen to it every now andthen, and I'm like, is that me?
Because like, I feellike you, you tell me.
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'cause I, I'm not used to hearing myselfon recording and I'm like, I think I
went through like a second puberty orsomething because I feel like my deepened
over the years and I'm like, I wonderif people still know that it's like me.
Like, I mean, I'm, I'm sure my, my toneand Candace is still the same, but like my
voice, like the, like the deepness of it.
I don't know.
Oh no.
But no.
Remember at the IACA conferencelast year in Vegas, we went out
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and we were sitting beside eachother and somebody commented that.
I'm like, oh, it's, you'rebasically the podcast.
I, and they both, they recognized both ourvoices and thought it was funny that that.
They were listening to our voices live.
Yeah.
They're like, can you do it?
I'm like, okay, sure.
No problem.
It was just that, that that is, it is fun.
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It is exciting.
Like, to be like such a silly thing.
But I, I, I really enjoyed that, like yousaid, of like, people's face lighting up.
Like when they recognize it, I'm like,oh, hey, this wasn't expecting this.
But I guess it makes sense.
Yeah.
, It's a good feeling.
Mm-hmm.
All right.
Let's move on.
Now I want to talk about the deep dives,because that's been a, a pretty big
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segment the last 12 months, it's somethingnew that we've developed in the latter
portion of the five years, these deepdive episodes just pick on one topic and
having a recurring guest on to talk aboutthat one topic the shorter episodes.
The typical episodes go an hour toan hour and 15 minutes on average.
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And the deep dive episodes,I purposely keep them short.
They're 15 or 20 minutes ., Ireally want the deep dive episodes
to be a chapter in a book or onespeech in a class type of thing.
Little small segments for, analyststo consume and think about.
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It does a couple of things.
Number one, it's, it gives usan opportunity to flush out.
Particular topics.
It gives the listeners an opportunityto catch up if they have gotten
behind that these 15 or 20 minuteepisodes, they're pretty easy to,
to listen to and, and, catch up.
It's also nice to haverecurring guests on.
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And for as much as I like meetingpeople and hearing people's stories,
and it's also fun to just talk to thesame guests recurringly and to see
we talk about different perspectivesand have a little bit of history
developed with these recurring guests.
So so we have, we have several thatwe've developed not in any particular
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order we have before you leap with RandyStickley, catching up with Dawn, with
Dawn Reebe Open Secrets with Jane Mondale.
Did with Mike Winslow researchremix with Jamie Roush and Real
Crime all the time with Nikki North.
Trying to get those out maybe oncea quarter as we rotate through
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the deep dive episodes with themore typical interview episodes.
It's been really interesting toget into some of the topics that
we have with those deep dives.
Yeah, I really enjoy them becauseit's like sometimes, especially
in a rush, I'm like, oh, I curiousabout this one particular topic.
Instead of like, digging throughlike the different segments
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inside the regular episodes.
It's like, oh, it's rightthere I just have it.
And then the other thing that I.
We also do is like, again, eventhough this is scripted, we do
have like a list of items thatwe would like to touch on, right?
Like your analyst bash story, likehow you got started so forth, right?
Like there's only so muchtime we can squeeze in.
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It's like, ooh, there's more I wannaask and further develop this, but
we gotta move on to the next topic.
So I think having these separatedeep dives where we can dive
deeply, I guess into certain topics.
I think, I mean, I personally reallylike it, so, and there's so much
variety and it's so, so happy.
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So many people are like willingto like step up and share more
knowledge and be a repeated guestand stuff, so that's really great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Randy, man, he is.
Very anxious.
He's usually the one texting me.
He is like, Hey, you readyto record another episode?
I'm like, yes, I am.
Come on, let's, let's do that.
He was actually the 2 68 thispast week, episode eight.
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Of before you leap with Randy Stickley, so those have been really great.
, Another thing that we didnew over the past year.
Is we partnered with Charlie GibertiKassie Langdon, and in the beginning
Chris Delaney for cocktails and crimeanalysis, which is very different from.
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This podcast in that number one,it's a video webinar type show.
So it's the videos on, you're listeningand watching analysts being interviewed
and talking about various topics.
And of course, as the titlesuggests is we are drinking
cocktails , as we're doing it.
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So we are having a little bit of a spirit.
Conversation and drinking spirits at thesame time talking shop on various topics.
Sometimes it was the just threepeople talking and other times
there were guests involved.
And I think the, geez, I wanna say themost that we had on at once was like
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five or six different people all at once.
And I think it's a little hard to manage.
But all in all the, we publishedeight episodes with cocktails and
crime analysis published on YouTube.
I was going to say, there's like,we want to tell the analyst story.
Most of the times that the analystis presented in a very good light, we
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try , for the most part, try to avoidlike, controversial topics and stuff.
So it's a very different vibe, butit's all under the same umbrella.
I think the funny thingabout the controversies,
is it wasn't necessarily on purpose.
Like, I don't know.
I mean, if we really wanted to becontroversial, , there was a lot of
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different topics that we could pick.
The most controversial episode was theIACA arm armchair president episode,
which seemed to really ruffle a lotof feathers some took personally
and didn't, didn't like what someof the stuff that was being said.
But at the end of the day, it was opinionson how to , improve the association.
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That's what it was.
, It wasn't meant to be a personal attackon any current or former board member
or current or former committee chair.
It was.
This is, as a member of the association,I'm seeing this and this is a way
I would suggest improving this.
So it was, it was feedback on how toimprove the association and it shouldn't
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have been taken as a personal attack.
Yeah, I agree with you.
The fact that it ruffles feathersand the fact that like listening
top and bottom, like you said,it's not an attack, it's not.
It's just an opinion.
It's just a feedback.
And I'm wondering like, like I said,I don't want people to come up here
and just like vent and like talkshit about other people or like
their jobs or anything like that.
Like that's not what I'm asking.
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But besides we mentioned about peoplecoming on and talking about like mental
health and like self care and like, notthat I don't want like positivity and
rain rainbows and sunshines all the time,but I think it is beneficial for us as
analysts, as professionals, as people to.
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Talk about, like those kind of thingsof like where we see there being
improvements or like things that wemay disagree with or we don't like.
And I, I always tell people, I'mlike, just because I disagree
with the topic doesn't mean likeI'm attacking you as a person.
Like I'm just disagreeing with this, thisone statement or whatever it is, you know?
So I, I'm just wondering like, is there,maybe we don't have a role in it but I'm
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just trying to think of like, is theresomething that we can do help improve
those conversations where it doesn't.
Come off as like an attack or stuff.
'Cause I'm just trying to think oflike, when I did it, my episode, I'm
like, I think I was positive for themost part, but I did get into like,
oh yeah, my last job was, or like, oneof the was not so great, blah, blah,
blah, and this is why, blah, blah, blah.
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You know?
And I'm not sure how often peopledo, I'm not saying that they should,
but like I said, I, I wanna makesure that our, our episodes, like
what we do and stuff, it captures.
The whole picture of the profession.
It's not just like, look atall the good stuff, you know?
Like, yeah, there's a lot of goodstuff, but I think when we don't
learn about the quote unquote badstuff, it's like we're not preparing
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people of like when they come in.
Because like I said, it's notalways sunshine and rainbow.
It's like, I wish it was, but knowingthe bad thing, preparing for it, I think
it's also good to be set up for success.
And I welcome feedback, right?
If you as a listener feel thoughthat we've gotten something
wrong, reach out to us.
Right?
And, and I'm not looking to necessarilyargue if there's something that, Hey,
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you didn't think about this or youdidn't think about that, and, and
if you want to make your case thatwe got something wrong or maybe less
than complete, just let us know.
That's really what I would've expectedif there was something where somebody
got upset by what was said, thatthey would've reached out and said,
Hey, that's not necessarily the case.
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This, that and, and just let us know.
I mean, I'm always looking forfeedback, both good and bad.
I like the good, don't get me wrong.
When I, when I hear someone tell mehow the podcast has positively impacted
their life, it makes me feel really good.
But at the same time, to your point,everything's not butterflies and rainbows.
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So if there is feedback that isless, not so positive or room for
improvement or , we got something wrong,then we gotta accept that as well.
And I would be open to do that.
And I think I've always often said islike, if you, if anybody wants to ask
to be on the show, if ever anybodywants airtime, I am open to give it.
(35:54):
If you wanna come on to respond.
To something that was said to promotesomething that you're doing, to
promote an idea your position, oryour perspective., I welcome it.
I'm definitely looking for people to, toanalyst talk is to allow analysts to talk.
So this is a platform for analysts voices.
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Yeah, just to reiterate what Jasonsaid, we're very open to feedback.
We don't always thinkthat we know everything.
I mean, we do our best.
But if there's something that you'reinterested in, there's a topic you
think, or someone that you thinkshould be on, like they have something
great to say, like, just let us know.
I mean, if you don't want to, like,for whatever reason, just use our main.
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Email contact.
DM us on LinkedIn reach out tous personally,, that works too.
So we're, like I said, we're not all,what, what do you, what do you call it?
Head in our head in the clouds.
I don't, I don't know a lot of idiots,
rainbows and butterflies.
No, I, I'm trying to say that like,we're not, like stuck up, like we're
not stuck up head of our asses.
Like, we won't, that, we won't like, takeany critique or feedback or something.
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Like, I would always tell people, Ifeel like because we do this podcast
together, because like when we're at theconference, we're always hanging out.
Like people see us like ohtwo piece in a pod, right?
And I'm like, oh, that's so endearing.
But I'm not, I guess I'mannouncing it now like.
Jason and I, we, we, we have ourdisagreements, we have our debates.
We don't always agree, likewe're two different people
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Mindy's wrong most of the time
and see exhibit A as towhy Jason's always wrong.
I just but I'm just saying thatlike we're, I don't know, I think
we're open-minded, thick skin,not overly sensitive people.
So always happy for feedback,always happy for ideas and like,
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I mean, short of, you know.
Like threats and harassment.
I was gonna say, like, there'snothing that, there's not a lot that
would like offend me, so, alright.
Yeah.
So but with cocktails and crime analysisI have decided to step away from that
show, there's a couple reasons for that.
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I, I never really got comfortablewith the video on which, I don't
know if that's a surprise to.
To many or not, but justone of those things.
I think also too, the, the three hostformat, I, I never really got comfortable
with that, that aspect of when to talk,when to there would be bouts of me
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just sitting there trying to sit still.
And I, even in grade school, Iwasn't very good at sitting still.
So it was, it was not, neverreally got comfortable with
being in that particular role.
I think though the biggest reason thoughCharlie and Kassie, I think, are going
to take the show to the next level.
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I think they have a lot ofgreat ideas for the show.
I think there was just times wherethey were on the same page and I
was unsure about particular topicsor how to move forward or whatnot.
And there, it just gotten tothe point where it's like, oh,
is Jason gonna be on board?
And , I felt at the end that it,like, I didn't wanna hold them back.
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I didn't wanna sit there and be anegative Nelly, , another factor
that I had was the time commitment.
There's a lot of stuff going on with mevolunteer wise, professionally, home life.
I. That going into this summeris just wasn't something that
I felt I could commit to.
So I definitely, I thinkthe show's gonna do great.
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I wish them the best of luck.
I just felt that for allthe reasons that I listed.
I just thought now as they go intoseason two was a good time to break away.
That makes sense.
And more insider behind thescene for our listeners.
When Jason and I had thisidea starting out, I was.
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To be cohost who we weren't evengonna call it Analyst talk, Jason.
It was supposed to be like Jasonand Mini, so like the acronym
was Jam, like so excited.
Like so many puns, right?
Yeah.
But
like you said it when especially, 'causewhen we're recording we have our cameras.
I was like, are you gonna talk?
Are you, am I gonna talk?
Oh, I didn't wanna likejumble over one another.
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And again, just when James and I are likejust on the phone together, like we talk
over each other like, oh shoot, sorry.
Okay, you go.
And I don't want that happening likeevery five minutes when especially
we have a guest and it's likethree people trying to talk and.
Oh man, you know what?
Before we end the, this podcast,I think we should least publish
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portions of , the two pilot episodesthat we recorded together, man.
But you're right, they're rough.
They're rough.
'cause there was, there was timeswhere we just couldn't get it down.
I felt that I talked like 80% ofthe time and it was just really
hard to, to script that out.
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I don't normally try to scripta show, normally I just come
up with topics to questions.
But that you, I think when most peoplesee or hear a radio show or see a show
on tv, everything looks so perfectand it seems like it flows so well.
Well, there's a, there's a producer behindthe scenes that is making all that happen.
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And unless we were gonna hire a,have, have a producer with us to
coordinate and, and do all that, itwas just going to be too difficult.
But you're right.
The Jason and Mindy show was athought in the very, very beginning.
I love how you said hire a producer, like.
We're not even paying.
Yeah, we're not even, Iknow that's another thing.
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I don't, I think people's like, oh, Jason,you're, you're doing such and such because
you're trying to make more money or you'retrying to get clicks, or whatever it is.
And I'm like, I don't do this for money.
I actually lose money on the podcast'cause I don't, I don't take any money.
I don't have any sponsors.
I don't have any advertisements,but I do have expenses.
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So I don't do this for, forthe money kind of thing.
It's definitely somethingthat I do because I enjoy it.
This is, this is ahobby, not a side hustle.
Yeah.
That was always like one hard thingwhen we always try, at least for
me, when I try to promote it and I'mlike, Hey, can we like get on like
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your newsletter or like, can youpost this for us or do this and that?
And they're like, oh, butthey, they, they like kinda.
Tense up.
Like, oh, they, they don't wanna dolike free advertisement for whatever.
'cause we're gonna make money off of it.
I'm like we're evensaying we're nonprofit.
I'm like, that's, Iguess by definition true.
But I'm like, we don't get any grants.
We don't have anything like,literally, like it's volunteer.
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It's provided free.
Like we don't benefit, doesn'tmatter how many clicks we get.
I mean, like, it is nice.
I'm like, oh, hey, like 200people listened to us this week.
Like, it is just an excitingfeeling, but it doesn't translate
to like a dollar amount.
But I think it is a lot for peopleto like, wrap their head around,
especially in like society we live in.
They're like, really?
You're just doing this forlike, altruistic reasons.
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I'm like, I mean, I, I guess I, I meanthere, there's some benefit to it.
Like, again, meeting peopleI may never have met.
Similar to you, I, I don't particularlylike I. Like the attention, but it is
also nice of like having that credibilitybesides other stuff that I've done,
but like the podcast I wanna say didhelp, like just getting my name out
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there of like, oh, Minnie's talkinglike, okay, let's listen to her.
But yeah, it's free, it's open.
Jason and I do it because welove it and all our volunteers,
they do it 'cause they love it.
But yeah, I wish I can saythat there's other motivation,
but there isn't so simple.
It's just say straightforward.
I love this profession, I love this field.
Well,, it is not like there'sno benefit to the show, right?
I don't want to paint that picture.
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. I wouldn't have been asked to be keynotespeaker had, had I not had the podcast.
Somebody that is, has not been ananalyst for 13 years, probably would
not be, a keynote speaker at a lawenforcement analysis conference.
Yeah.
All right, well let's move onto our call in segment as we me
mentioned the beginning of theepisode, don't be that analyst and
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we got some callers on the line.
This is where analysts talk about thingsthat items that analysts have done,
but they really shouldn't be doing.
So this is some greatadvice for our listeners.
And first on the line is Rachel.
Rachel, what's your Don't be that analyst.
Don't be that analyst who knows it all.
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Who works in a siloed vacuumand doesn't share information,
collaboration is the key to success.
That gets into the whole networking thing.
Maybe that's our answer.
That the fact is that everybody hasto tell analysts to network is that
they're hoarding all the good stuff.
Yeah, I get that like sometimes peopleare busy and they can't make those like
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once a month, hour long meetings, butstill join all like the different groups.
And if you can't meet.
In person still try to meet, virtually,try to email people, still try
to be there and let people know.
'cause again, you can'tjust know everything.
You just in your own jurisdiction,like crime knows no boundaries, right?
So you have to know like atleast a surrounding department.
(45:18):
Yeah.
Well I'm gonna quote a good friend ofmine and the quote is, don't be a dick.
And,
oh, iconic
Mindy says that all the time.
For those that, that, that don't know.
But getting back to the idea ofnetworking that we, that our discussion
with networking about you never knowwhen you're going to need somebody.
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Somebody's help with particular,task or contact or whatnot.
You don't wanna burnbridges at the same time.
So if you're being a jerk holdingdata that can come back and bite
you when you may need help lateron with a project or a task.
That's so funny that like you bringup, like, obviously I didn't trademark,
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like, don't be a dick, but like,
I think you should.
I think that's our next button.
I was gonna say, that'd be sofunny if that's like our new
button or shirt sticker, whatever.
It's
Oh man.
Oh.
Anyway, and I did not do this onpurpose, but next on the line is Richard.
Richard, what's your,don't be that analyst.
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Don't be the analyst that sitsaround trying to find information
without asking for help.
There's many of us that haveresources that we don't take
advantage of because we're too proud.
Yeah, that's a little bit of theexact opposite of what we just said.
I didn't understand what you meant aboutlike you didn't do this on purpose.
'cause I'm like, oh, doeshe also say Don't be a dick?
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And then I realized his name was Richard.
Yes, but now you explain the joke.
See, I couldn't do thatbecause then it would be weird
that I'm explaining my joke.
But you can do that.
Oh.
Oh, right now.
Okay.
Just in case our listeners don'tknow Nick, for Richard is No, I'm,
I'm sure people get it now thatI said that, that that's fine.
Well, no, you wannarespond to what he said,
right?
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Yeah.
No, I mean, it builds on Rachel,what Rachel says like connecting,
sharing information, knowingexpertise, and yeah, not courting it.
'cause again, like one jurisdiction,one analyst, like, we don't
know everything, you know?
And that's the benefit ofgetting to know more people,
more brains in the, in the mix.
(47:27):
All right.
Next on the line is Nikki.
Nikki, what's your, don't be that analyst.
Don't be that analyst thatanswers every single request
because you think you have to.
I have talked to someone that had toidentify how many black cats were in
their county on a Friday, the 13th,because they were asked to do not be
that analyst that answers that question.
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It.
It does amaze me the linksthat people will go to because
they don't want to say no.
That's a hard one for me becauseyes, like we should have boundaries.
Yes, we should learn to say no.
Yes, we can't do everything.
But also we, I feel like if I actually didthat request, whoever requested it, I feel
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like I would form this bond with them.
Like, oh, mini's just as silly asme and I really am a silly Billy.
So I would probably do that.
I mean, I wouldn't take like awhole week or like half a day.
I mean, but that does like a fun request.
I don't know
that that was the point that I was gonnaadd is that it's, it's one thing to spend
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a couple of minutes to, to try to figurethat out, but there's gonna be a point
where the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
If you're gonna spend likehalf a day or whatever it is.
I know it's one of those things isonce you start, you want to finish,
but at the same time, there, thereis a, a limit to how much time
(48:57):
you should be spending on a test.
Such as that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, all right.
Next call is Heather.
Heather, what's your,don't be that analyst.
Don't be that analyst that createslots of folders and then forgets
about these folders in the shareddrive that everyone has access to.
Mm-hmm.
And then having three to fourfolders of the same thing.
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Because it makes it really fun to locatewhich folder you're talking about.
I,
I rarely talk about networkfolders , on the show, but it is.
Funny, the, when you're talk,trying to work with office mates and
everybody seems to have a particularway of how to organize folders.
Yeah.
Whether it's organizing folders or likehow they name their documents and stuff.
(49:44):
Like Yes.
People aren't so bad that they'relike, document one or like mm-hmm.
Excel one, whatever.
Like, it's not that terrible.
But yeah, there are some like labelingand folder organization that I'm like,
okay, like I assume that there's someorder in this, but if you're gone
for two weeks, for example, and I'mtrying to look for something you, I'm
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like, I can't understand your system.
My, my thing is always like, especiallyfor the shared drive, the networks, like
if it's your personal one, then yeah,do it in a way that makes sense to you.
Like whatever.
Right?
But it was like a shared one.
It's like, okay.
Like has to make sense to otherpeople too, so they don't have to dig
or ask you for every little thing.
Just make it really obvious what thisfolder contains and like, so forth.
(50:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the duplicate datathing is, is, is an issue.
Oh, we were, I was just talking about itat work today is like in our SQL database.
I was like, can we have a mechanismto know what's in production instead
of having iterations of saved off dataor versioning of stuff where a lot of
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us will put the date if we're savingsome, a data set off like what the
date was that we saved it off, andthen so then we have all these just.
One time use data sets outthere that's not in product.
It's not actually being used in areport dashboard or view or whatnot.
So, but we just had that conversationtoday at work It Drive, it does drive me
(51:17):
crazy as I'm looking through the tableof contents of the tables that I have
access to in my SQL database and it,I scroll for what seems like forever
to, to find , the tables that I want.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think peoplewould need to go as far as like a
little read me file when you likedownload stuff, like zip files.
There's always that read me, but when Iorganize like my spreadsheets and like
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if when someone has like a data requestand then there's like a lot of like
sheets in that workbook, I usually havelike a dedicated sheet for like, I call
it data methods, but it's really like I.
Just an explanation of like what eachof these sheets are talking about.
And like I said, I always think aboutlike, okay, what if it wasn't me reading
this and being able to explain it?
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What if I just like produce somethingand I have to just send it off?
It's all , my thing is alwayslike, okay, think about it.
If you were in another person'sshoe, like if you were looking
at this folder or whatever, like,would this make sense to you?
Would you be able tonavigate through this?
All right.
And our last caller is Akiko.
Akiko.
What is your Don't be that analyst.
Don't be that analyst whothinks they know everything.
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Because you don't and I don't.
So always gotta humble yourself.
Always gotta be willing to learn.
It will change the game.
Yeah.
Don't be a dick.
What's the saying?
No one likes a know it all.
I think it can get frustrating when.
Some people p pick up conceptsquicker than others, and I think
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those that pick it up quicker getfrustrated over time that people are
constantly having to be caught up.
I. To where the team is.
So I think that that's where that, thatcomes from in a way, is that people are
grasping concepts or maybe they're exposedto different data, different meetings,
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different experiences, and that they'reconstantly having to get people caught up.
But that's still not any reason tobe a jerk and act like everything.
So I, I'm looking at this at like adifferent angle, a different perspective,
and maybe I'm like way off, but Idon't know, maybe these people are
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jerks, but, but I wonder if it comesfrom a place of like insecurities.
Because I'm just trying to think, like,for me, with like my imposter syndrome,
my anxiety, my blah, blah, blah, right?
Like, I used to be really nervous andscared when I don't know something
because I, 'cause I'm already like, oh,do I even belong in this profession?
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Do I even belong in this space?
So for me, as a mechanism to like provemyself, to prove that I belong and
blah, blah, blah, it's like, I wonderif I do, that I wonder if in my career,
if I've come off as a know-it-all.
You know?
Especially like when we're havinglike email communication where you're
not actually like talking to people.
I feel like, I don't know, sometimes Ithink about like the things I say and
(54:16):
how it can be interpreted over email.
Like for those who like email me,like I put a lot of like exclamation
marks and smiley face and like littlesqueakies and blah, blah, blah.
Just, just because I'm like, I wantto come off nice and like friendly
because I'm like, well, if I justdo it super professional and just
straightforward, I'm like, okay, am Icoming off like too rough or whatever?
(54:38):
Right.
But it's like you talk to meon the phone, you listen to
me on this podcast, it's like.
My normal demeanor, like blah, blah.
Right.
But it doesn't come across if it's justlike a DM or like a text or an email.
So I, I don't know.
I'm just like, yes, don't be adick, don't be a jerk, whatever.
But I feel like there's a littledifferent perspective of like being
considerate to other people too.
I had never thought youcame off as pompous.
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Right.
I think that's where this getsinto is this, there becomes a point
where not are you talking a lot?
Not only are you consuming all theair in the room, you're acting like
you're better than everybody else.
I mean, that's, that's how I mm-hmm.
Interpreted what she was saying.
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Yeah.
And
so I've never thought that of you.
, You've always been insightfuland helpful that's your lane.
You're definitely not in thislane of, of being pompous.
So nothing to worry about there, Mindy.
No, I, I was just thinking like.
You learn about like childhoodpsychology of like, oh, look at that
bully over there, but really thebully has like a hard life at home
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or something, so be considerate.
I'm like, yeah, but it's still a bully.
But now it's like I have to be considerjust trying to be a, a more considerate,
well-rounded person of like, oh yes,they were mean to me, but like why?
I'm like here's therapy.
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Yeah, no, no, no.
And I'm, I'm well past that.
There's too much misunderstoodvillains in, in movies anymore.
But that's a whole othertopic I I could talk about.
So I don't, I'm tired of everybodybeing misunderstood and then that's,
that's what kind of villain they are.
But anyway, that don't be that analyst.
If you have a, don't be that analystthat you want to share on the show.
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Email us.
At LEA podcasts@gmail.com, or you candrop us a line at 4 0 2 8 1 9 5 3 2 7.
That's 4 0 2.
8 1 9 5 3 2 7. You can leave your, don'tbe that analyst, don't be that supervisor.
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Favorite first job.
Or you can even leave us ashit you here in the office.
Please leave your name andlet us know who you are.
Alright, Mindy, as we're finishing uphere with this anniversary episode, five
years of LEA podcast and analyst talkwith Jason Elder, I wanna give you all be
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on the lookout for a homework assignmentthat's going to be coming up soon.
We are putting together a survey andit'll, the survey should be published
in a couple of weeks, just gettingfeedback from you about the show, about
the topics, about the direction of theshow, things that you like, that you want
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to hear more of, things that you don'tlike, that you want to hear less of.
New topics, expand on old topics.
These are some of the things we wantto hear from you as we are going
to use the survey results to guide.
The show ahead.
If you want to hear more about training oryou want to hear more about certification,
(57:57):
if you want to hear more about IACAdrama, that's, this is gonna be the time
for you to let us know what you think.
And as as mentioned, we're lookingforward to getting those results and
tailoring the show to your responses.
Yeah.
So the, this is the last segmentof the show is Words to the World.
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This is where you can promoteany idea that you wish.
Mindy, what are your words to the world?
I feel like don't be a dick is easy.
So I, I'm gonna go with something.
So something else.
More in line with our themes,our five year anniversary, all
that stuff is, taking a chance.
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I don't know if that's like cliche,but just for those who don't know, like
how Jason and I first met, so at thetime he was the IECA analyst mentoring
program, chair chair, and the mentoringprogram, I, I think I mentioned this
before on the podcast, and I alwayspromote mentoring and all that stuff
because it did so much for me personally,like personally and professionally.
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So I always promote it, but I.I didn't know who Jason was.
All I knew was this committee, likethis whole program meant so much to me.
Like, Hey, I, I, you don't knowwho I am and I know who you are,
but like, I really wanna help oflike, can I be a part of this?
So it's just kind of my little tangibleexample of like, this is how I network,
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this is how we met and everything.
And that that was that.
But then as our friendship grew and our,all this stuff, then, then it led to
the podcast and then it led to this fiveyears later and it, to me, I'm like,
it wouldn't have happened if I didn'ttake that chance to like, reach out.
And like I said, it waslike completely unrelated.
It was for the analyst mentor, andit's like, and it wasn't like I
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reached out like, Hey bro, like,you wanna do a podcast together?
Like, I don't know who you are.
Like but like I said, it tooka chance and here we are, like
made so many more connections.
But like I don't wanna be all cheesy aboutit, but I very, I, I very much value.
The friendship that we'vecultivated all these years, and
I, I never would have expected it.
(01:00:04):
I guess like, like I knowobviously we have this podcast
and we do a lot of other things.
In the profession together.
But like I, yes, I would call youlike my good friend, my close friend.
Like we're not just colleaguesin the field, you know?
So that, that's been a nice, nice thing.
So take a chance.
You never know what greatthings can come out of it,
very good.
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Well I leave every guest with,you've given me just enough
to call you a dick later.
Alright.
See we're friends.
I can do, I can do that to you.
No, seriously, seriously.
And I know you want to correct me 'causeit's badly and not bad, but I've I've
said it grammatically incorrect all theseyears that I am gonna just write it out
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that I'm gonna use bad and not badly.
But no, I think we talked a littlebit about this at the year end episode
in December of our friendship doesmean a great deal to me, we have
have talked to on various occasionson different topics going on in
our life, both professionally andpersonally, it has been a great benefit.
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We talked about thebenefits of this podcast.
Well, that's one of the great benefitsof this podcast is our friendship
blossoming over the five plus yearsthat we've been working together.
So thank you.
Thank you everybody.
Those that have listened to us forall these years and , those who
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are listening who haven't been onthe podcast yet, please reach out.
That's always one of the moredifficult parts of this job is
securing guests and getting scheduling
so that's, something that's difficult.
So you can help me by volunteeringyourself come forward and say,
Hey, I want to be on the show.
(01:01:55):
Or even if you wanna throw somebody elseunder the bus and name names and recommend
somebody else that you can do that too.
But that would help us out is securingguests and I like to have diversity
.On the show to get various perspectives.
I know I don't know everybody, so I dolike to people to recommend and volunteer
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to come forward to be on the show.
I guess the only thing that I would addwould be also thanking our guests this is
a vehicle for them to tell their stories.
Like we wanna elevatethem and highlight them
Yeah, no, I, I definitely agree with that.
I've mentioned many of times thatI am not the star of my own show.
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Even though it has my name on theshow it, that it is the guest.
So thank you.
Right, Mindy, thank you.
The guests over all these years, 250plus different guests that we've had
on the show, and so thank you for yourperspective time and contributions to
the law enforcement analysis profession.
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Thank you everybody thisover the five years.
It's a great ride that we've been on.
I think now we're going to be pastour backstop of five years, so I'm
not really sure when this train'sgoing to end, but I am confident we
are going to do it together and weare going to continue to publish.
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Every Monday as we interview differentanalysts and we get so many more analysts
to interview, so many more topics
.So with that said, I will be quiet.
Thank you all again.
Appreciate you beingwith us and you be safe.
Thank you for making it tothe end of another episode of
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Welcome to Analyst Talk with Jason Elder.
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It's like coffee with an analyst,or it could be whiskey with an
analyst reading a spreadsheet,linking crime events, identifying a
series, and getting the latest scoopon association news and training.
So please don't beat that analystand join us as we define the law
enforcement analysis profession.
One episode at a time.
Thank you for joining me.
I hope many aspects ofyour life are progressing.
My name is Jason Elder andtoday it is anniversary day.
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Happy anniversary to LEA podcastand analyst talk with Jason Elder.
Five years since we started onthis endeavor and I can't think of
anybody else that I would have asa guest with me on this episode.
Then one, miss Mindy Duong.
Mindy, how are we doing?
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I'm good.
I'm excited.
How are you?
I am excited as well.
We were talking during the prep callthat obviously it's been five years and
what the hell are we gonna talk about?
Right.
Because I'm thinking like everyyear for our anniversary episode,
I always say the same thing,like, oh, we made it another year.
Oh, we made it another year.
Like I'm always surprised, but I know fivewas kind of that like I. Magic number of
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like, let's see if we can even make itlike that was kind of like our big goal.
So here we are.
And I'm like, okay, I wasn't prepared.
Like I didn't think this far.
I'm like, oh, we made it now what?
Well, yeah, we launched fiveepisodes at once on June 1st, 2020.
And I could have very well beenonly five, but we stuck it out.
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I remember three months once I got overthe three, month hump, I felt a little
bit of a relief that I'm like, okay, Iam getting through with the technical.
I'm getting better at editing, I'mgetting better at asking questions,
the more and more I did it overthose first three months, the more
confident I got that we could do this.
(01:53):
Yeah, I think that makes sense.
Especially for you and me.
We're always like, oh,let's volunteer for this.
Let's volunteer for like our dayjobs, our families and everything.
So I'm like, oh, how do we squeezethis into our normal workload
already, our daily, weekly, whatever.
But you're right.
After that initial few months,it probably took me a bit longer
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to get used to it than you then.
Yeah, it was kind of like clockwork and.
I don't think we missed a single week.
May.
Maybe we were late publishing, but Ithink we published every Monday for
the past.
We have, we have been that consistent.
Yes.
Yeah.
Holidays and like we were there.
Yeah, that was one thing I am reallyproud of with the podcast is every Monday
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since June 1st, 2020, we have published anepisode and we've done special episodes.
So there have been times thatwe've published two episodes in
a week, but every Monday has beenAnalyst Talk with Jason Elder.
So that's been, that's been reallygreat, . Before we get too far, just
some housekeeping for the listeners.
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We are going to play a call insegment, our flagship calling segment.
Don't be that analyst.
If you have don't be that analyst of mine.
Get your calls in now.
But that we do also haveother call in segments.
We have the don't be that supervisorfavorite first job and of course,
shit you here in the office andthe shit you here in the office.
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I always tell my guest if they haveto edit the story to protect the
innocent, I'll still take the story,but I still get way better stories
off air than on air, unfortunately.
But we still get good shit,you hear in the office stories.
, Back to your point though, Iremember my wife when we were
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hitting 100, episodes mm-hmm.
She's like, you've publisheda hundred episodes.
And I'm like, yeah.
And she, she's like, wow.
And I don't think sherealized the consistency.
And obviously she knew, I knew I wasdoing it and knew that I was how much
time and effort it was, but she didn'thave any idea that it was that many.
And last week we published forAnalyst Talk with Jason Elder.
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It was the 268 episode for thechannel itself, LEA podcasts, we have
published over 350 podcast episodes.
So as I mentioned, , we havepublished special episodes.
We have done a mixture of,different episodes over the years.
(04:23):
We had the Osborne tapes, whichKathleen Allen who's on the team, she
hosted and republished Deb Osborne'sinterviews from way back when.
She was the first to do podcastsfor law enforcement analysis.
And Kathleen did a greatjob of revitalizing those.
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Episodes and then also giving her ownspin on the topics of each episode.
Some of the other past shows that we had.
Paige Kenningale, the ACIA New Horizons podcast.
That was the podcast from the UKacross the pond like I used to say.
And Manuel OTeng crime Analysis frombetween the Tropics was another one
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that we had a couple years back.
And while not necessarily a podcast,Seth Potts had a show called Small
Steps with Seth Potts, and this is whereSeth gave tips and tricks on Excel.
So we have obviously done a little bitmore than just every Monday, but over 350.
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That's, that's a lot.
That's a lot of episodes, a lot ofcontent, a lot of people, and it's
been just a great conversation.
Obviously people that I don'tknow or didn't know before, they
were a guest on the podcast.
Everything's new, but even thepeople that I've met over the years.
(05:54):
I mean, even the people that I'veknown for a decade or more, I
still learn something about them.
There's a, there's a ton of stuffthat I learned from people and, and
so that's been really nice to ask someof the questions that we do ask to get
beyond some of the stuff that you'llsee in people's bio or on their resume
or maybe what they post on LinkedIn.
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It's getting to know theirpersonal interests or some
of their accomplishments.
And just to get a little bit about whothey are as a person, not just an analyst.
One thing I'm curious for ourlisteners is I wonder how many people
initiated conversations with ourguests of like, oh, hey, I heard you
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on the podcast, and like, that's socool that you're doing X, Y, and Z.
Like, I'm also doing X, Y, and z.I wonder how often that happens.
I know for me, I do it often whenit's like, oh, hey, like, thank
you for being on our podcast.
Like, here's a button.
And then like, I would just randomlyjust start off like random conversations.
Like, oh, hey, you talked about this.
(06:58):
Like, can you elaborate on it?
Or like, Hey, can I ask you more?
So.
I do that.
I don't know how often people do that.
yeah.
And those that do want to emailthe show, the email address
is lea podcast@gmail.com.
, My question for you was going to belike, something along the lines of,
is this how you envision the podcastand does it achieve its goals?
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And I know we don't have reallywell-defined goals, but I'll share
mind first, give you some time justso you're not like cut off court.
So one of my goals and like missionthat I thought going into the podcast
is wanting to strengthen our community.
Like, yes, we have IACA,yes, we have IALEIA.
Yes, we have all thesedifferent associations,
but , especially we're all over.
(07:42):
For all over the world, you know?
So I'm, I'm wondering, like,has the podcast, like, do you
feel closer to the community?
Do you feel like you knowpeople within the community?
Or is it just like a randomperson telling you a, a story so
that's what I'm curious about.
I don't, I don't know how to track that.
Like, what, what do we do?
Like here's a survey question with one to10, rate your closeness to the community.
(08:05):
Like, I don't, I don't know how to likegauge it, but if there's a listener,
if you wanna send us an email or justDM me, or if you see me in person, just
let know, just casually like, yeah,I do feel closer to the community.
And like I said, it's especiallyI, I love working with students
and newer analysts especially.
So I'm just curious, like, do,do you feel more connected?
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Do you feel like people, do youfeel like you're set up for success?
I wanna be sure that obviouslylike personal bias 'cause I'm on
this, but like, I, I find likethe stories all are fascinating.
But I also learned something.
So I'm always curious about like whatpeople take away from the episodes,
and that's what I mean, like, didwe achieve what we sought out to do?
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I feel that yes, we've accomplishedour goal in the beginning, as we
mentioned the, the consistency aboutPublishing every Monday we did that.
The variety of guests that we'vehad on the show, we've done that.
Giving the analyst a voice totell their story, to tell their
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perspective, we've done that.
I feel where the podcast has fallenshort is the fact that there's still
so many people left to interview.
There's so many more analysts soin one regard, yes, to interview
over 300 people for the show.
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I've made a little bit of a dent inknowing the community, but I know there's
so many people that I don't know, andevery time that I go to a conference or
I go to a training or somebody pops upon LinkedIn, it's a brand new person.
I was like, I have don't know who thatperson is and we're gonna get connected.
So there's just so many people outthere, so many more analysts to
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interview that I'm never going to get to.
Interview them all, but the onesthat we have interviewed, has been so
rewarding to hear their stories, fora lot for young people as well, for
those that listen to the show that areeither just starting out as analysts or
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they're looking to get into the field.
The message of listening to experiencedanalysts is that you're not alone.
We all started at that point whereyou are now wanting to get in or
just starting and wanting to learn,we all went through these trials
and tribulations to figure out.
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What type of analyst wewere going to become.
So, yeah, there's so many stories.
I, I, I know this is a audio podcast.
Sometimes I do wish it was visual.
Mm-hmm.
Because like I said,it's just like I'm here.
I'm just thinking.
So like, I have my thinking face on,but you can't hear my thinking face.
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And like, I, I don't wanna just like.
Talk just to talk, just to make noise.
Mm-hmm.
Because then I, like, I can't talk andlike think of the next one real fast.
I'm like can you gimme five secondsto like collect my thoughts?
Sure, thanks.
But I'm trying to like, okay,do we continue on with this?
Like, do I ask follow up question?
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How deep do we wanna go downthis rabbit hole, you know?
Yeah.
No, this is what I do.
This is what I do in the interview.
Do I ask another follow up questionor do I move on to the next topic?
Yeah.
So some behind the scenes stuff, guys.
Yeah,
Since the beginning.
What, themes or messagesoverall like stood out to you.
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So I think the one that surprised me themost that I did not see coming, if I'm
interviewing myself from five years ago.
Myself from five years ago would reallybe surprised on the, the concept of mental
health and how much has been brought upon the show for analysts from , the stuff
that they see, the stuff that they read.
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I think with real time crime centers goingon, where analysts are watching cameras,
they're being exposed to live events likethey never were before, the mental toll
has been talked about way more than what Iever imagined and there's certain, themes
that that make sense given that it is apodcast about a particular profession.
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So the education, the certification,the learning, the tools of
the trade, those those are.
Themes that come up time and time again.
One thing that doesn't come up thatI'm really surprised doesn't come up
more is about RMS because most people,most analysts are not happy with their
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RMS, but that's one of those thingsthat not too many analysts talk about.
Maybe, maybe they've just given up, maybethey have learned helplessness when it
comes to RMS, but that's one that I knowgoing in five years ago that I thought
was going to be a continual topic.
It's really not something that reallyhasn't been brought up all that much.
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One thing that comes up alot , that I'm really surprised.
About as well is the advice of networkingthat people have to be told to network.
Which I find funny because I wouldthink that would come naturally,
but for whatever reason, I thinksome analysts don't network.
And so that is something that experiencedanalysts really point out to young
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analysts is to get out there and network.
And I think another one that goeshand in hand with that is to get
out from your desk and go out intothe world and experience the world,
experience the crime, not, I mean,not experience where the crime happens
and get onto on the street and, and gobeyond what the data is telling you.
Just don't go based on the data.
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And I think those two go handin hand about networking and
getting out from under your deskand, and go analyze the world.
I'm sorry, I didn't wanna likeinterrupt you with like my
giggles, but experienced a cry.
I know what you're talkingabout, but just a way I call
myself.
I didn't mean to, so Yeah,like go, go be a victim.
Yeah, go.
Yeah, just go like in the middleof the busy, like, Hey, here's my
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wallet, here's my, like, I'm lookingto get robbed for research please.
Or, I mean, how am I supposed tocatch an auto beef if I don't know
how to like hot wire car myself.
I gotta break it into my cell.
Oh.
So that's how the,
I'm gonna take a survey.
Will you take this survey afterwards?
I wanna know your motivation.
Yeah, it's just for research.
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I swear Officer, justdoing this for science.
I so swear I'm an aspiring crime analyst.
So for networking, it, it is somethingthat I see people recommend a lot, I
think one thing that we're, that we cando better is elaborating how to network.
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Like you said, like you think it wouldcome naturally and stuff, but sometimes
like people don't know how to likestart a conversation, for example.
It's like, oh, I addedthis person on LinkedIn.
Like, cool, but sure.
But we're not really networking, you know?
And I think another thing thatpeople get confused of like, oh, when
you network with someone, they'resupposed to like help you get a job.
(15:28):
And I don't, I don't thinkthat's like, correct.
Like, it's like I, I would havepeople reach out to me and be like,
Hey, can you look up my resume?
I guess whatever.
But it's also like, oh, hey, doyou know of any job openings?
Like, I mean, as much as any otherperson that uses like LinkedIn or
Indeed, or government jobs, whatever.
Right?
But it's like, okay,I don't even know you.
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Like, you're just a, like, I, I getit, like maybe in no other time me
and this person would ever connect,but it would be nice if like, okay, if
you're not just kind of using me for, Idon't, I don't know how to put it, but
the, but that's what I mean of like,I don't think we're clear, especially
for like students and expiring analystsof like what it means to network.
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Like what should your opening line be?
What should be your.
Whatever.
Right.
So I don't know if you have any specificquestions or things that you should ask.
I mean, I don't know.
I always like it when students arelike reaching out to me, like, Hey
my name's so and so I graduated.
Maybe they send me their resume, but it'sjust like, Hey, if you know anything or
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you have advice, like please let me know.
And it's like verygeneral and I like that.
But when it's like, Hey, youha, do you know of any jobs?
Like, no,
I think it goes well beyond the job.
Yeah.
It should even
well beyond your job.
I, I always think back and I've, I'vequoted him so many times on the show
captain Russ Neville from the CincinnatiPolice Department , gave me some
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advice that it has stuck with me allthese years, over 10, it's been over
10 years since he told me this, but.
He said, know and understandthe roles of everybody at the
police department, not literallyeverybody, but as many as you can.
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'Cause you never know when you're goingto need to contact that person and for
whatever reason, beyond, and this iswhere it goes beyond the job, right?
If you're, maybe you're not an analystnow, but you become an analyst.
Well, knowing people.
Locally, regionally,internationally may come up someday.
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If you need to get a hold of somebodyfor either a lo at a particular police
department, a particular location,or maybe it's a particular topic,
they're a subject matter expert,or maybe they know how to do some
certain technique or tool, use a tool.
, That's where the networkingcoming coming in, is knowing who
to contact when you need them.
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I, I understand like the benethat's the benefit of networking,
but how do you network?
That's not what you said though.
You said that, that you said you'venetworked a ask 'em about a job.
No, but that's what, no, I'm saying likethat's my experience of when people think
that, oh, I'm networking with Mindy.
But it's like, no, you justasked me a question like, is
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that considered networking?
And it's like this one time interactionthat I had with this person.
Like is that networking?
But that's, that's what I'm trying to say.
It's like I've gone the sameadvice throughout the years and
maybe it just comes more naturallyto like some people than not.
But I'm just trying to think of likesomeone who just started out their career,
they don't really know that many people.
(18:38):
Maybe they know like you and me 'causeof like the podcast, maybe they know
our guests because of and so forth.
But again, like how do you break the ice?
What is the first thing you say?
I mean, it makes sense.
Like, okay, you're interested.
Join the Loco Association.
Be familiar of the IECA, like.
Directory, so analysts from all over.
Right.
But like I said, like I, I, I'm almostasking like, how do you talk to people?
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Like, essentially that's the wayI'm getting, like how do you talk to
the, how do you, how do you start?
Well, I mean, that is atotal different question.
It's just networking selfis, is very beneficial.
I mean, literally you literally,you're asking like how you
go up and up and meet people.
So, I would say mostpeople are willing to help.
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Mm-hmm.
Right.
I, I think just knowing, okay,what, what's the problem?
Who's the best person to ask?
Identify who that is.
And most of the time, once you findeither another analyst to, to network
with, they're, they're gonna bewilling to help you most of the time.
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Another thing to plug in with this.
We have show notes for all theseepisodes, and we have contact information
for every one of our guests and, andall of our guests would be happy to
help anybody that, that contacts them.
So it, I don't, I'm not necessarilygonna get into the one-on-one on how to
mingle, but I think a, a lot of it isjust asking, a simple meet and greet.
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Simple, just breaking the ice,talking with people and, and knowing
who they are, where they're from,and what's their area of expertise.
And I think the area of expertiseis one that probably gets lost.
The, or one that's not captured the most.
Right.
I think, I think it's prettyeasy to get somebody's name,
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title, and their location, whatpolice department they're from.
So the location is, is something usuallypretty easy to find if you're looking for
somebody from a particular jurisdiction.
But the area of expertise probably is theone that it doesn't get captured as much
and probably should be captured more.
Yeah, I would say how I learn aboutpeople's like area of expertise
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is I, I meet them at conferenceseven I, I see them on the agenda.
They usually have like their bio thereand just kind of read through it.
Usually when I attend.
A training.
I am one of those people that likespend my 15 minute break just like
waiting to like talk to the presenter.
They're like, oh, hey,like introduce myself.
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Like, that's a really interesting topic.
Like can we exchange contacts or whatever.
So that's how I've donenetworking at like.
Or like connecting with people, meetingwith people at training conferences.
And that's how I learn theirrespective expertise and stuff.
And I think it just comes with timebecause I don't know how e easy it
is to be like, who's an who, an IECis an expert in ex whatever, right?
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So that, that would be, I do
feel, I mean, I would hope it should bea lot easier to network at a conference
as opposed to just either cold callingsomebody from a jurisdiction or even
moving around your own department.
'cause mm-hmm.
If people aren't expecting it, they'rebusy, they got, they want to complete and
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you're coming in there knocking on theirdoor, asking them a bunch of questions.
So, , that, might bethe more difficult one.
But at, at, at a conference or atraining, networking should not all
be that all at that, that difficult.
Yeah.
The other thing that I try to do ifwe're just scaling it all the way down to
just people in your department, I mean.
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What I've done is try to pick a topicthat I know I can't really accomplish
without interacting with other people.
Mm-hmm.
So like an example, if I am doing a pieceon community corrections or something,
like I know I have to go meet withlike the community corrections people
and kind of learn what they're doing.
Like, Hey my name's Mindy.
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I'm over here.
I'm trying to do a piece on this.
Like, you guys are the experts.
Is this something we can, Idon't know, collaborate with?
And people are usuallyreally nice with it.
I'm trying to think of like, probablysomething similar at police departments of
like, oh, hey, I wanna do a piece on like.
Homicide or robbery, like, let mego talk to like the homicide or
robbery detective and so forth.
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Let's do one more question andlet's move on to the deep dives.
Yeah, I, I feel like I'veasked about the podcast.
I asked about the guests.
I also, I, I wanna ask, that's gonna bemy last question I wanna ask about you.
I know that we talked about likethe logistics of like putting
together the podcast and,.
Picking it up and doing allthis stuff, but like, I don't
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know , how has doing this?
Like, I don't wanna be dramatic.
How has it changed your life, you know?
I, I think to me, I, I still amnot comfortable with being known.
People find that funny when people findthat actually annoying, that they're
like, Hey, you have a bigger influence.
You have a bigger platform than whatyou think it is, and you should use it.
(23:44):
But I still don't assume thateverybody knows who I am when
I walk into a room of analysts.
So I still do introduce myselfas if people don't know who I am.
And then they'll look at me like,of course we know who you are.
Still, after all these years,still not all that comfortable.
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I recently had the honor of being akeynote speaker at the Carolina Crime
Analysis Association Conference,just really a memorable experience.
Really enjoyed doing that,and I started out the speech
with, thank you for joining me.
I hope many aspects ofyour life are progressing.
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The number of faces that lit up, thatrecognized that introduction was awesome.
, To see the faces of everybody, somany people recognizing that,, the
listen to the podcast that were in theroom, it was just a, a great feeling.
So I, I think in, in the one way, I,I still feel a little uncomfortable
(24:48):
with being known, but at the sametime, I am still happy with all that
the podcast has given as created.
And the, so I guess some ofthe, quote unquote celebrity
status that it has given me.
It's funny 'cause I get that too, of like.
Well, what is it?
(25:09):
Because I only recorded it onceand I just kind of forgot about it.
But it was like, welcome to Analysttalk, Jason Alder, whatever, right?
Mm-hmm.
And it's funny 'cause I recordedthat once, like when we first started
like five whatever years ago, right?
And.
I listen to it every now andthen, and I'm like, is that me?
Because like, I feellike you, you tell me.
(25:29):
'cause I, I'm not used to hearing myselfon recording and I'm like, I think I
went through like a second puberty orsomething because I feel like my deepened
over the years and I'm like, I wonderif people still know that it's like me.
Like, I mean, I'm, I'm sure my, my toneand Candace is still the same, but like my
voice, like the, like the deepness of it.
I don't know.
Oh no.
But no.
Remember at the IACA conferencelast year in Vegas, we went out
(25:54):
and we were sitting beside eachother and somebody commented that.
I'm like, oh, it's, you'rebasically the podcast.
I, and they both, they recognized both ourvoices and thought it was funny that that.
They were listening to our voices live.
Yeah.
They're like, can you do it?
I'm like, okay, sure.
No problem.
It was just that, that that is, it is fun.
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It is exciting.
Like, to be like such a silly thing.
But I, I, I really enjoyed that, like yousaid, of like, people's face lighting up.
Like when they recognize it, I'm like,oh, hey, this wasn't expecting this.
But I guess it makes sense.
Yeah.
, It's a good feeling.
Mm-hmm.
All right.
Let's move on.
Now I want to talk about the deep dives,because that's been a, a pretty big
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segment the last 12 months, it's somethingnew that we've developed in the latter
portion of the five years, these deepdive episodes just pick on one topic and
having a recurring guest on to talk aboutthat one topic the shorter episodes.
The typical episodes go an hour toan hour and 15 minutes on average.
(27:04):
And the deep dive episodes,I purposely keep them short.
They're 15 or 20 minutes ., Ireally want the deep dive episodes
to be a chapter in a book or onespeech in a class type of thing.
Little small segments for, analyststo consume and think about.
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It does a couple of things.
Number one, it's, it gives usan opportunity to flush out.
Particular topics.
It gives the listeners an opportunityto catch up if they have gotten
behind that these 15 or 20 minuteepisodes, they're pretty easy to,
to listen to and, and, catch up.
It's also nice to haverecurring guests on.
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And for as much as I like meetingpeople and hearing people's stories,
and it's also fun to just talk to thesame guests recurringly and to see
we talk about different perspectivesand have a little bit of history
developed with these recurring guests.
So so we have, we have several thatwe've developed not in any particular
(28:08):
order we have before you leap with RandyStickley, catching up with Dawn, with
Dawn Reebe Open Secrets with Jane Mondale.
Did with Mike Winslow researchremix with Jamie Roush and Real
Crime all the time with Nikki North.
Trying to get those out maybe oncea quarter as we rotate through
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the deep dive episodes with themore typical interview episodes.
It's been really interesting toget into some of the topics that
we have with those deep dives.
Yeah, I really enjoy them becauseit's like sometimes, especially
in a rush, I'm like, oh, I curiousabout this one particular topic.
Instead of like, digging throughlike the different segments
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inside the regular episodes.
It's like, oh, it's rightthere I just have it.
And then the other thing that I.
We also do is like, again, eventhough this is scripted, we do
have like a list of items thatwe would like to touch on, right?
Like your analyst bash story, likehow you got started so forth, right?
Like there's only so muchtime we can squeeze in.
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It's like, ooh, there's more I wannaask and further develop this, but
we gotta move on to the next topic.
So I think having these separatedeep dives where we can dive
deeply, I guess into certain topics.
I think, I mean, I personally reallylike it, so, and there's so much
variety and it's so, so happy.
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So many people are like willingto like step up and share more
knowledge and be a repeated guestand stuff, so that's really great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Randy, man, he is.
Very anxious.
He's usually the one texting me.
He is like, Hey, you readyto record another episode?
I'm like, yes, I am.
Come on, let's, let's do that.
He was actually the 2 68 thispast week, episode eight.
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Of before you leap with Randy Stickley, so those have been really great.
, Another thing that we didnew over the past year.
Is we partnered with Charlie GibertiKassie Langdon, and in the beginning
Chris Delaney for cocktails and crimeanalysis, which is very different from.
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This podcast in that number one,it's a video webinar type show.
So it's the videos on, you're listeningand watching analysts being interviewed
and talking about various topics.
And of course, as the titlesuggests is we are drinking
cocktails , as we're doing it.
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So we are having a little bit of a spirit.
Conversation and drinking spirits at thesame time talking shop on various topics.
Sometimes it was the just threepeople talking and other times
there were guests involved.
And I think the, geez, I wanna say themost that we had on at once was like
(31:01):
five or six different people all at once.
And I think it's a little hard to manage.
But all in all the, we publishedeight episodes with cocktails and
crime analysis published on YouTube.
I was going to say, there's like,we want to tell the analyst story.
Most of the times that the analystis presented in a very good light, we
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try , for the most part, try to avoidlike, controversial topics and stuff.
So it's a very different vibe, butit's all under the same umbrella.
I think the funny thingabout the controversies,
is it wasn't necessarily on purpose.
Like, I don't know.
I mean, if we really wanted to becontroversial, , there was a lot of
(31:44):
different topics that we could pick.
The most controversial episode was theIACA arm armchair president episode,
which seemed to really ruffle a lotof feathers some took personally
and didn't, didn't like what someof the stuff that was being said.
But at the end of the day, it was opinionson how to , improve the association.
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That's what it was.
, It wasn't meant to be a personal attackon any current or former board member
or current or former committee chair.
It was.
This is, as a member of the association,I'm seeing this and this is a way
I would suggest improving this.
So it was, it was feedback on how toimprove the association and it shouldn't
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have been taken as a personal attack.
Yeah, I agree with you.
The fact that it ruffles feathersand the fact that like listening
top and bottom, like you said,it's not an attack, it's not.
It's just an opinion.
It's just a feedback.
And I'm wondering like, like I said,I don't want people to come up here
and just like vent and like talkshit about other people or like
their jobs or anything like that.
Like that's not what I'm asking.
(32:54):
But besides we mentioned about peoplecoming on and talking about like mental
health and like self care and like, notthat I don't want like positivity and
rain rainbows and sunshines all the time,but I think it is beneficial for us as
analysts, as professionals, as people to.
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Talk about, like those kind of thingsof like where we see there being
improvements or like things that wemay disagree with or we don't like.
And I, I always tell people, I'mlike, just because I disagree
with the topic doesn't mean likeI'm attacking you as a person.
Like I'm just disagreeing with this, thisone statement or whatever it is, you know?
So I, I'm just wondering like, is there,maybe we don't have a role in it but I'm
(33:39):
just trying to think of like, is theresomething that we can do help improve
those conversations where it doesn't.
Come off as like an attack or stuff.
'Cause I'm just trying to think oflike, when I did it, my episode, I'm
like, I think I was positive for themost part, but I did get into like,
oh yeah, my last job was, or like, oneof the was not so great, blah, blah,
blah, and this is why, blah, blah, blah.
(34:01):
You know?
And I'm not sure how often peopledo, I'm not saying that they should,
but like I said, I, I wanna makesure that our, our episodes, like
what we do and stuff, it captures.
The whole picture of the profession.
It's not just like, look atall the good stuff, you know?
Like, yeah, there's a lot of goodstuff, but I think when we don't
learn about the quote unquote badstuff, it's like we're not preparing
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people of like when they come in.
Because like I said, it's notalways sunshine and rainbow.
It's like, I wish it was, but knowingthe bad thing, preparing for it, I think
it's also good to be set up for success.
And I welcome feedback, right?
If you as a listener feel thoughthat we've gotten something
wrong, reach out to us.
Right?
And, and I'm not looking to necessarilyargue if there's something that, Hey,
(34:44):
you didn't think about this or youdidn't think about that, and, and
if you want to make your case thatwe got something wrong or maybe less
than complete, just let us know.
That's really what I would've expectedif there was something where somebody
got upset by what was said, thatthey would've reached out and said,
Hey, that's not necessarily the case.
(35:07):
This, that and, and just let us know.
I mean, I'm always looking forfeedback, both good and bad.
I like the good, don't get me wrong.
When I, when I hear someone tell mehow the podcast has positively impacted
their life, it makes me feel really good.
But at the same time, to your point,everything's not butterflies and rainbows.
(35:30):
So if there is feedback that isless, not so positive or room for
improvement or , we got something wrong,then we gotta accept that as well.
And I would be open to do that.
And I think I've always often said islike, if you, if anybody wants to ask
to be on the show, if ever anybodywants airtime, I am open to give it.
(35:54):
If you wanna come on to respond.
To something that was said to promotesomething that you're doing, to
promote an idea your position, oryour perspective., I welcome it.
I'm definitely looking for people to, toanalyst talk is to allow analysts to talk.
So this is a platform for analysts voices.
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Yeah, just to reiterate what Jasonsaid, we're very open to feedback.
We don't always thinkthat we know everything.
I mean, we do our best.
But if there's something that you'reinterested in, there's a topic you
think, or someone that you thinkshould be on, like they have something
great to say, like, just let us know.
I mean, if you don't want to, like,for whatever reason, just use our main.
(36:41):
Email contact.
DM us on LinkedIn reach out tous personally,, that works too.
So we're, like I said, we're not all,what, what do you, what do you call it?
Head in our head in the clouds.
I don't, I don't know a lot of idiots,
rainbows and butterflies.
No, I, I'm trying to say that like,we're not, like stuck up, like we're
not stuck up head of our asses.
Like, we won't, that, we won't like, takeany critique or feedback or something.
(37:04):
Like, I would always tell people, Ifeel like because we do this podcast
together, because like when we're at theconference, we're always hanging out.
Like people see us like ohtwo piece in a pod, right?
And I'm like, oh, that's so endearing.
But I'm not, I guess I'mannouncing it now like.
Jason and I, we, we, we have ourdisagreements, we have our debates.
We don't always agree, likewe're two different people
(37:25):
Mindy's wrong most of the time
and see exhibit A as towhy Jason's always wrong.
I just but I'm just saying thatlike we're, I don't know, I think
we're open-minded, thick skin,not overly sensitive people.
So always happy for feedback,always happy for ideas and like,
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I mean, short of, you know.
Like threats and harassment.
I was gonna say, like, there'snothing that, there's not a lot that
would like offend me, so, alright.
Yeah.
So but with cocktails and crime analysisI have decided to step away from that
show, there's a couple reasons for that.
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I, I never really got comfortablewith the video on which, I don't
know if that's a surprise to.
To many or not, but justone of those things.
I think also too, the, the three hostformat, I, I never really got comfortable
with that, that aspect of when to talk,when to there would be bouts of me
(38:35):
just sitting there trying to sit still.
And I, even in grade school, Iwasn't very good at sitting still.
So it was, it was not, neverreally got comfortable with
being in that particular role.
I think though the biggest reason thoughCharlie and Kassie, I think, are going
to take the show to the next level.
(38:55):
I think they have a lot ofgreat ideas for the show.
I think there was just times wherethey were on the same page and I
was unsure about particular topicsor how to move forward or whatnot.
And there, it just gotten tothe point where it's like, oh,
is Jason gonna be on board?
And , I felt at the end that it,like, I didn't wanna hold them back.
(39:17):
I didn't wanna sit there and be anegative Nelly, , another factor
that I had was the time commitment.
There's a lot of stuff going on with mevolunteer wise, professionally, home life.
I. That going into this summeris just wasn't something that
I felt I could commit to.
So I definitely, I thinkthe show's gonna do great.
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I wish them the best of luck.
I just felt that for allthe reasons that I listed.
I just thought now as they go intoseason two was a good time to break away.
That makes sense.
And more insider behind thescene for our listeners.
When Jason and I had thisidea starting out, I was.
(39:59):
To be cohost who we weren't evengonna call it Analyst talk, Jason.
It was supposed to be like Jasonand Mini, so like the acronym
was Jam, like so excited.
Like so many puns, right?
Yeah.
But
like you said it when especially, 'causewhen we're recording we have our cameras.
I was like, are you gonna talk?
Are you, am I gonna talk?
Oh, I didn't wanna likejumble over one another.
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And again, just when James and I are likejust on the phone together, like we talk
over each other like, oh shoot, sorry.
Okay, you go.
And I don't want that happening likeevery five minutes when especially
we have a guest and it's likethree people trying to talk and.
Oh man, you know what?
Before we end the, this podcast,I think we should least publish
(40:43):
portions of , the two pilot episodesthat we recorded together, man.
But you're right, they're rough.
They're rough.
'cause there was, there was timeswhere we just couldn't get it down.
I felt that I talked like 80% ofthe time and it was just really
hard to, to script that out.
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I don't normally try to scripta show, normally I just come
up with topics to questions.
But that you, I think when most peoplesee or hear a radio show or see a show
on tv, everything looks so perfectand it seems like it flows so well.
Well, there's a, there's a producer behindthe scenes that is making all that happen.
(41:25):
And unless we were gonna hire a,have, have a producer with us to
coordinate and, and do all that, itwas just going to be too difficult.
But you're right.
The Jason and Mindy show was athought in the very, very beginning.
I love how you said hire a producer, like.
We're not even paying.
Yeah, we're not even, Iknow that's another thing.
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I don't, I think people's like, oh, Jason,you're, you're doing such and such because
you're trying to make more money or you'retrying to get clicks, or whatever it is.
And I'm like, I don't do this for money.
I actually lose money on the podcast'cause I don't, I don't take any money.
I don't have any sponsors.
I don't have any advertisements,but I do have expenses.
(42:06):
So I don't do this for, forthe money kind of thing.
It's definitely somethingthat I do because I enjoy it.
This is, this is ahobby, not a side hustle.
Yeah.
That was always like one hard thingwhen we always try, at least for
me, when I try to promote it and I'mlike, Hey, can we like get on like
(42:26):
your newsletter or like, can youpost this for us or do this and that?
And they're like, oh, butthey, they, they like kinda.
Tense up.
Like, oh, they, they don't wanna dolike free advertisement for whatever.
'cause we're gonna make money off of it.
I'm like we're evensaying we're nonprofit.
I'm like, that's, Iguess by definition true.
But I'm like, we don't get any grants.
We don't have anything like,literally, like it's volunteer.
(42:49):
It's provided free.
Like we don't benefit, doesn'tmatter how many clicks we get.
I mean, like, it is nice.
I'm like, oh, hey, like 200people listened to us this week.
Like, it is just an excitingfeeling, but it doesn't translate
to like a dollar amount.
But I think it is a lot for peopleto like, wrap their head around,
especially in like society we live in.
They're like, really?
You're just doing this forlike, altruistic reasons.
(43:10):
I'm like, I mean, I, I guess I, I meanthere, there's some benefit to it.
Like, again, meeting peopleI may never have met.
Similar to you, I, I don't particularlylike I. Like the attention, but it is
also nice of like having that credibilitybesides other stuff that I've done,
but like the podcast I wanna say didhelp, like just getting my name out
(43:31):
there of like, oh, Minnie's talkinglike, okay, let's listen to her.
But yeah, it's free, it's open.
Jason and I do it because welove it and all our volunteers,
they do it 'cause they love it.
But yeah, I wish I can saythat there's other motivation,
but there isn't so simple.
It's just say straightforward.
I love this profession, I love this field.
Well,, it is not like there'sno benefit to the show, right?
I don't want to paint that picture.
(43:52):
. I wouldn't have been asked to be keynotespeaker had, had I not had the podcast.
Somebody that is, has not been ananalyst for 13 years, probably would
not be, a keynote speaker at a lawenforcement analysis conference.
Yeah.
All right, well let's move onto our call in segment as we me
mentioned the beginning of theepisode, don't be that analyst and
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we got some callers on the line.
This is where analysts talk about thingsthat items that analysts have done,
but they really shouldn't be doing.
So this is some greatadvice for our listeners.
And first on the line is Rachel.
Rachel, what's your Don't be that analyst.
Don't be that analyst who knows it all.
(44:35):
Who works in a siloed vacuumand doesn't share information,
collaboration is the key to success.
That gets into the whole networking thing.
Maybe that's our answer.
That the fact is that everybody hasto tell analysts to network is that
they're hoarding all the good stuff.
Yeah, I get that like sometimes peopleare busy and they can't make those like
(44:57):
once a month, hour long meetings, butstill join all like the different groups.
And if you can't meet.
In person still try to meet, virtually,try to email people, still try
to be there and let people know.
'cause again, you can'tjust know everything.
You just in your own jurisdiction,like crime knows no boundaries, right?
So you have to know like atleast a surrounding department.
(45:18):
Yeah.
Well I'm gonna quote a good friend ofmine and the quote is, don't be a dick.
And,
oh, iconic
Mindy says that all the time.
For those that, that, that don't know.
But getting back to the idea ofnetworking that we, that our discussion
with networking about you never knowwhen you're going to need somebody.
(45:40):
Somebody's help with particular,task or contact or whatnot.
You don't wanna burnbridges at the same time.
So if you're being a jerk holdingdata that can come back and bite
you when you may need help lateron with a project or a task.
That's so funny that like you bringup, like, obviously I didn't trademark,
(46:02):
like, don't be a dick, but like,
I think you should.
I think that's our next button.
I was gonna say, that'd be sofunny if that's like our new
button or shirt sticker, whatever.
It's
Oh man.
Oh.
Anyway, and I did not do this onpurpose, but next on the line is Richard.
Richard, what's your,don't be that analyst.
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Don't be the analyst that sitsaround trying to find information
without asking for help.
There's many of us that haveresources that we don't take
advantage of because we're too proud.
Yeah, that's a little bit of theexact opposite of what we just said.
I didn't understand what you meant aboutlike you didn't do this on purpose.
'cause I'm like, oh, doeshe also say Don't be a dick?
(46:46):
And then I realized his name was Richard.
Yes, but now you explain the joke.
See, I couldn't do thatbecause then it would be weird
that I'm explaining my joke.
But you can do that.
Oh.
Oh, right now.
Okay.
Just in case our listeners don'tknow Nick, for Richard is No, I'm,
I'm sure people get it now thatI said that, that that's fine.
Well, no, you wannarespond to what he said,
right?
(47:07):
Yeah.
No, I mean, it builds on Rachel,what Rachel says like connecting,
sharing information, knowingexpertise, and yeah, not courting it.
'cause again, like one jurisdiction,one analyst, like, we don't
know everything, you know?
And that's the benefit ofgetting to know more people,
more brains in the, in the mix.
(47:27):
All right.
Next on the line is Nikki.
Nikki, what's your, don't be that analyst.
Don't be that analyst thatanswers every single request
because you think you have to.
I have talked to someone that had toidentify how many black cats were in
their county on a Friday, the 13th,because they were asked to do not be
that analyst that answers that question.
(47:51):
It.
It does amaze me the linksthat people will go to because
they don't want to say no.
That's a hard one for me becauseyes, like we should have boundaries.
Yes, we should learn to say no.
Yes, we can't do everything.
But also we, I feel like if I actually didthat request, whoever requested it, I feel
(48:16):
like I would form this bond with them.
Like, oh, mini's just as silly asme and I really am a silly Billy.
So I would probably do that.
I mean, I wouldn't take like awhole week or like half a day.
I mean, but that does like a fun request.
I don't know
that that was the point that I was gonnaadd is that it's, it's one thing to spend
(48:37):
a couple of minutes to, to try to figurethat out, but there's gonna be a point
where the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
If you're gonna spend likehalf a day or whatever it is.
I know it's one of those things isonce you start, you want to finish,
but at the same time, there, thereis a, a limit to how much time
(48:57):
you should be spending on a test.
Such as that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, all right.
Next call is Heather.
Heather, what's your,don't be that analyst.
Don't be that analyst that createslots of folders and then forgets
about these folders in the shareddrive that everyone has access to.
Mm-hmm.
And then having three to fourfolders of the same thing.
(49:20):
Because it makes it really fun to locatewhich folder you're talking about.
I,
I rarely talk about networkfolders , on the show, but it is.
Funny, the, when you're talk,trying to work with office mates and
everybody seems to have a particularway of how to organize folders.
Yeah.
Whether it's organizing folders or likehow they name their documents and stuff.
(49:44):
Like Yes.
People aren't so bad that they'relike, document one or like mm-hmm.
Excel one, whatever.
Like, it's not that terrible.
But yeah, there are some like labelingand folder organization that I'm like,
okay, like I assume that there's someorder in this, but if you're gone
for two weeks, for example, and I'mtrying to look for something you, I'm
(50:06):
like, I can't understand your system.
My, my thing is always like, especiallyfor the shared drive, the networks, like
if it's your personal one, then yeah,do it in a way that makes sense to you.
Like whatever.
Right?
But it was like a shared one.
It's like, okay.
Like has to make sense to otherpeople too, so they don't have to dig
or ask you for every little thing.
Just make it really obvious what thisfolder contains and like, so forth.
(50:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the duplicate datathing is, is, is an issue.
Oh, we were, I was just talking about itat work today is like in our SQL database.
I was like, can we have a mechanismto know what's in production instead
of having iterations of saved off dataor versioning of stuff where a lot of
(50:53):
us will put the date if we're savingsome, a data set off like what the
date was that we saved it off, andthen so then we have all these just.
One time use data sets outthere that's not in product.
It's not actually being used in areport dashboard or view or whatnot.
So, but we just had that conversationtoday at work It Drive, it does drive me
(51:17):
crazy as I'm looking through the tableof contents of the tables that I have
access to in my SQL database and it,I scroll for what seems like forever
to, to find , the tables that I want.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think peoplewould need to go as far as like a
little read me file when you likedownload stuff, like zip files.
There's always that read me, but when Iorganize like my spreadsheets and like
(51:41):
if when someone has like a data requestand then there's like a lot of like
sheets in that workbook, I usually havelike a dedicated sheet for like, I call
it data methods, but it's really like I.
Just an explanation of like what eachof these sheets are talking about.
And like I said, I always think aboutlike, okay, what if it wasn't me reading
this and being able to explain it?
(52:02):
What if I just like produce somethingand I have to just send it off?
It's all , my thing is alwayslike, okay, think about it.
If you were in another person'sshoe, like if you were looking
at this folder or whatever, like,would this make sense to you?
Would you be able tonavigate through this?
All right.
And our last caller is Akiko.
Akiko.
What is your Don't be that analyst.
Don't be that analyst whothinks they know everything.
(52:24):
Because you don't and I don't.
So always gotta humble yourself.
Always gotta be willing to learn.
It will change the game.
Yeah.
Don't be a dick.
What's the saying?
No one likes a know it all.
I think it can get frustrating when.
Some people p pick up conceptsquicker than others, and I think
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those that pick it up quicker getfrustrated over time that people are
constantly having to be caught up.
I. To where the team is.
So I think that that's where that, thatcomes from in a way, is that people are
grasping concepts or maybe they're exposedto different data, different meetings,
(53:07):
different experiences, and that they'reconstantly having to get people caught up.
But that's still not any reason tobe a jerk and act like everything.
So I, I'm looking at this at like adifferent angle, a different perspective,
and maybe I'm like way off, but Idon't know, maybe these people are
(53:29):
jerks, but, but I wonder if it comesfrom a place of like insecurities.
Because I'm just trying to think, like,for me, with like my imposter syndrome,
my anxiety, my blah, blah, blah, right?
Like, I used to be really nervous andscared when I don't know something
because I, 'cause I'm already like, oh,do I even belong in this profession?
(53:53):
Do I even belong in this space?
So for me, as a mechanism to like provemyself, to prove that I belong and
blah, blah, blah, it's like, I wonderif I do, that I wonder if in my career,
if I've come off as a know-it-all.
You know?
Especially like when we're havinglike email communication where you're
not actually like talking to people.
I feel like, I don't know, sometimes Ithink about like the things I say and
(54:16):
how it can be interpreted over email.
Like for those who like email me,like I put a lot of like exclamation
marks and smiley face and like littlesqueakies and blah, blah, blah.
Just, just because I'm like, I wantto come off nice and like friendly
because I'm like, well, if I justdo it super professional and just
straightforward, I'm like, okay, am Icoming off like too rough or whatever?
(54:38):
Right.
But it's like you talk to meon the phone, you listen to
me on this podcast, it's like.
My normal demeanor, like blah, blah.
Right.
But it doesn't come across if it's justlike a DM or like a text or an email.
So I, I don't know.
I'm just like, yes, don't be adick, don't be a jerk, whatever.
But I feel like there's a littledifferent perspective of like being
considerate to other people too.
I had never thought youcame off as pompous.
(55:00):
Right.
I think that's where this getsinto is this, there becomes a point
where not are you talking a lot?
Not only are you consuming all theair in the room, you're acting like
you're better than everybody else.
I mean, that's, that's how I mm-hmm.
Interpreted what she was saying.
(55:20):
Yeah.
And
so I've never thought that of you.
, You've always been insightfuland helpful that's your lane.
You're definitely not in thislane of, of being pompous.
So nothing to worry about there, Mindy.
No, I, I was just thinking like.
You learn about like childhoodpsychology of like, oh, look at that
bully over there, but really thebully has like a hard life at home
(55:44):
or something, so be considerate.
I'm like, yeah, but it's still a bully.
But now it's like I have to be considerjust trying to be a, a more considerate,
well-rounded person of like, oh yes,they were mean to me, but like why?
I'm like here's therapy.
(56:04):
Yeah, no, no, no.
And I'm, I'm well past that.
There's too much misunderstoodvillains in, in movies anymore.
But that's a whole othertopic I I could talk about.
So I don't, I'm tired of everybodybeing misunderstood and then that's,
that's what kind of villain they are.
But anyway, that don't be that analyst.
If you have a, don't be that analystthat you want to share on the show.
(56:27):
Email us.
At LEA podcasts@gmail.com, or you candrop us a line at 4 0 2 8 1 9 5 3 2 7.
That's 4 0 2.
8 1 9 5 3 2 7. You can leave your, don'tbe that analyst, don't be that supervisor.
(56:51):
Favorite first job.
Or you can even leave us ashit you here in the office.
Please leave your name andlet us know who you are.
Alright, Mindy, as we're finishing uphere with this anniversary episode, five
years of LEA podcast and analyst talkwith Jason Elder, I wanna give you all be
(57:14):
on the lookout for a homework assignmentthat's going to be coming up soon.
We are putting together a survey andit'll, the survey should be published
in a couple of weeks, just gettingfeedback from you about the show, about
the topics, about the direction of theshow, things that you like, that you want
(57:34):
to hear more of, things that you don'tlike, that you want to hear less of.
New topics, expand on old topics.
These are some of the things we wantto hear from you as we are going
to use the survey results to guide.
The show ahead.
If you want to hear more about training oryou want to hear more about certification,
(57:57):
if you want to hear more about IACAdrama, that's, this is gonna be the time
for you to let us know what you think.
And as as mentioned, we're lookingforward to getting those results and
tailoring the show to your responses.
Yeah.
So the, this is the last segmentof the show is Words to the World.
(58:18):
This is where you can promoteany idea that you wish.
Mindy, what are your words to the world?
I feel like don't be a dick is easy.
So I, I'm gonna go with something.
So something else.
More in line with our themes,our five year anniversary, all
that stuff is, taking a chance.
(58:39):
I don't know if that's like cliche,but just for those who don't know, like
how Jason and I first met, so at thetime he was the IECA analyst mentoring
program, chair chair, and the mentoringprogram, I, I think I mentioned this
before on the podcast, and I alwayspromote mentoring and all that stuff
because it did so much for me personally,like personally and professionally.
(59:00):
So I always promote it, but I.I didn't know who Jason was.
All I knew was this committee, likethis whole program meant so much to me.
Like, Hey, I, I, you don't knowwho I am and I know who you are,
but like, I really wanna help oflike, can I be a part of this?
So it's just kind of my little tangibleexample of like, this is how I network,
(59:21):
this is how we met and everything.
And that that was that.
But then as our friendship grew and our,all this stuff, then, then it led to
the podcast and then it led to this fiveyears later and it, to me, I'm like,
it wouldn't have happened if I didn'ttake that chance to like, reach out.
And like I said, it waslike completely unrelated.
It was for the analyst mentor, andit's like, and it wasn't like I
(59:43):
reached out like, Hey bro, like,you wanna do a podcast together?
Like, I don't know who you are.
Like but like I said, it tooka chance and here we are, like
made so many more connections.
But like I don't wanna be all cheesy aboutit, but I very, I, I very much value.
The friendship that we'vecultivated all these years, and
I, I never would have expected it.
(01:00:04):
I guess like, like I knowobviously we have this podcast
and we do a lot of other things.
In the profession together.
But like I, yes, I would call youlike my good friend, my close friend.
Like we're not just colleaguesin the field, you know?
So that, that's been a nice, nice thing.
So take a chance.
You never know what greatthings can come out of it,
very good.
(01:00:25):
Well I leave every guest with,you've given me just enough
to call you a dick later.
Alright.
See we're friends.
I can do, I can do that to you.
No, seriously, seriously.
And I know you want to correct me 'causeit's badly and not bad, but I've I've
said it grammatically incorrect all theseyears that I am gonna just write it out
(01:00:50):
that I'm gonna use bad and not badly.
But no, I think we talked a littlebit about this at the year end episode
in December of our friendship doesmean a great deal to me, we have
have talked to on various occasionson different topics going on in
our life, both professionally andpersonally, it has been a great benefit.
(01:01:14):
We talked about thebenefits of this podcast.
Well, that's one of the great benefitsof this podcast is our friendship
blossoming over the five plus yearsthat we've been working together.
So thank you.
Thank you everybody.
Those that have listened to us forall these years and , those who
(01:01:34):
are listening who haven't been onthe podcast yet, please reach out.
That's always one of the moredifficult parts of this job is
securing guests and getting scheduling
so that's, something that's difficult.
So you can help me by volunteeringyourself come forward and say,
Hey, I want to be on the show.
(01:01:55):
Or even if you wanna throw somebody elseunder the bus and name names and recommend
somebody else that you can do that too.
But that would help us out is securingguests and I like to have diversity
.On the show to get various perspectives.
I know I don't know everybody, so I dolike to people to recommend and volunteer
(01:02:19):
to come forward to be on the show.
I guess the only thing that I would addwould be also thanking our guests this is
a vehicle for them to tell their stories.
Like we wanna elevatethem and highlight them
Yeah, no, I, I definitely agree with that.
I've mentioned many of times thatI am not the star of my own show.
(01:02:39):
Even though it has my name on theshow it, that it is the guest.
So thank you.
Right, Mindy, thank you.
The guests over all these years, 250plus different guests that we've had
on the show, and so thank you for yourperspective time and contributions to
the law enforcement analysis profession.
(01:03:01):
Thank you everybody thisover the five years.
It's a great ride that we've been on.
I think now we're going to be pastour backstop of five years, so I'm
not really sure when this train'sgoing to end, but I am confident we
are going to do it together and weare going to continue to publish.
(01:03:22):
Every Monday as we interview differentanalysts and we get so many more analysts
to interview, so many more topics
.So with that said, I will be quiet.
Thank you all again.
Appreciate you beingwith us and you be safe.
Thank you for making it tothe end of another episode of
(01:03:42):
Analyst Talk with Jason Elder.
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our website@www.podcasts.com.
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Till next time, analysts, keep talking.
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