June 23, 2025 • 55 mins
Episode: 00272 Released on June 23, 2025 Description: In this episode of Analyst Talk with Jason Elder, Jason sits down with Jaime Lamanna, a seasoned Crime and Intelligence Analyst with over a decade of experience at the Spokane Police Department. Jaime shares her unconventional path into the field—starting with an internship that turned into a temp role and eventually led to a full-time analyst position, thanks to persistence, support, and a little luck.
We hear unforgettable stories from her days in loss prevention (yes, including someone threatening to poop their pants), the challenges of being a temp in a demanding field, and how ride-alongs and building relationships have been key to her success.
Jaime also recounts her analyst badge story—uncovering a massive stolen property stash in a snowy garage—and dives into how she helped crack a package theft ring during the holidays, earning her a Medal of Merit. Plus, she reflects on the power of regional collaboration, her experiences with NORCAN, and the importance of being visible and engaged with your officers.
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00:00:17 – Introducing Jaime 00:07:24 – Loss Prevention 00:13:29 – Temporarily at Spokane 00:17:42 – Kia Boys 00:21:47 – ABS: Stolen Goods Stash 00:28:34 – Break: Amanda Wiggins & Mandy Krueger 00:29:24 – Medal of Merit 00:35:17 – Utilizing Analysts 00:41:35 – Advice 00:44:18 – NORCAN 00:50:22 – Personal Interests: Band Mom & Competitive Dance Mom 00:54:00 – Words to the World
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Welcome to Analyst Talk with Jason Elder.
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It's like coffee with an analyst,or it could be whiskey with an
analyst reading a spreadsheet,linking crime events, identifying a
series, and getting the latest scoopon association news and training.
So please don't beat that analystand join us as we define the law
enforcement analysis profession.
One episode at time.
Thank you for joining me.
I hope many aspects ofyour life are progressing.
My name is Jason Elder, and todayour guest has 11 years of law
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enforcement analysis experience, all.
As the crime and intelligence analyst withthe city of Spokane Police Department.
She holds a crime and intelligenceanalysis certificate from California
State University in Sacramento.
She's a former boardmember of NORCAN the North.
Northern Regional Crime Analyst Network.
She's here to talk about, among otherthings, the recent North Hand conference.
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Please welcome Jamie Lamanna.
Jamie, how we doing?
Great, thank you.
. How are things in Washington these days?
It's starting to get sunny, so,
so that's good.
Yeah.
So you finally are, are you finallypast the, the winter or do you think
you are still worried that you stillthere still might be a storm ahead?
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We could definitely still get some snow.
It was 80 degrees the other day.
That does not mean that snow isstill not around the corner, so.
Oh man.
Yeah.
So you get the full array ofseasons up there in Washington?
Yes,
yes we do.
Oh, beautiful, beautiful country up there.
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So it's awesome.
Alright, so how did you discover thelaw enforcement analysis profession?
So I was in school for a criminaljustice degree and I knew that I wanted
to do something for law enforcement,but I wasn't a hundred percent sure
if that meant to become a cop or ifthere was something else I could do.
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And throughout school I wasrequired to do an internship.
Mm-hmm.
And I got an internship withthe Spokane Police Department.
And originally they had me doingsome spreadsheets for time and, and
just keeping track of some people's.
Like volunteer hours and stuff and mm-hmm.
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They ran outta work for me to doand so they sent me over to crime
analysis and I had no idea whatthat was or what I was getting into.
And luckily I was.
Welcomed by some, more seasonedcrime analysts that were already
working for the department.
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And I kind of fell in love withit and I was like, okay, yeah,
this is what I want to do.
So I finished my internship andkind of was hoping for a job,
but they weren't really hiring.
And I think maybe, I think it was closeto a year later actually, that I had
gotten a phone call , and they werelooking for temp seasonal employee
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with our crime analyst department.
And I was like, absolutely.
So I came in as a temp seasonal forI think almost a year and a half.
I was temp seasonal Wow.
Before a full-time position opened up.
That was a little bit harderto get into than I expected.
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The job requirement wastwo years of experience.
And like I just told you, I hada year and a half of experience.
And so originally I wasn't qualified forthe position that I was already working.
And so that was that was hard.
But I had some really,really great people.
Behind me that we're, doing everythingthey could to get those qualifications
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kind of adjusted and changed.
So after the, list expired, thequalifications changed and I was able
to use my internship as experience.
And so then I was able to get hiredfull-time for the department., Man,
that, that is a, I think that'sa journey in itself there.
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I i, it almost makes me smile.
Just people different.
Journeys to analysis and itprobably journey to any job.
But there's so many people thatare trying, they're applying,
they know they want the analystposition, they're applying all over
the country, and they finally landa spot somewhere in the country.
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And then there's, there's somefolks that are like you, like
you that, hey, stumbled on it.
We're in the rightplace at the right time.
We're patient, we're diligent and justslowly, slowly took the opportunities
that were in front of you to the pointwhere, hey, somebody sounds like they
went to bat for you a little bit.
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Yes.
Yeah, they did.
And, and got you that position.
So that's just a it shows thatsomething that they obviously liked
your work and enjoyed working with you,and it, it all paid off in the end.
Yes, it did.
And we, you talking about that Irecently helped out an agency in Western
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Washington to do some interviews andthey had two candidates, one that.
Been in the crime analyst field for along time, and one that has never been in
the field, but she's gone to trainings.
She's a dispatcher.
She, I, she would be an amazing hire.
Mm-hmm.
I felt like their agency kind of neededsomeone that that had experience, but
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I would hire her in a minute to comework with us where we already have
analysts that could help train her.
And so our agency's actually kind oftaking on an approach here in the near
future where we will tr like have like asection of hirees where we can train them.
Mm-hmm.
And then a section foralready experienced analysts.
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So you have like alittle bit of a bullpen.
There's gonna be like kindof like different steps.
So we, we would be able to hire someonewho, let's say, like, has been through
like a bunch of trainings, but they mightnot have like, have quite the experience
or or we could hire someone so we'llhave like kind of options rather than
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your HR department being just lookingat someone and saying, oh no, they're
not qualified right off the bat with so,
Yeah.
The, I I've talked many a time on thisshow about the importance of internship.
I mm-hmm.
I benefited from the internship.
There's, it, it reallyjumped, started my career.
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I got hired on right after I wasdone with my internship again.
I had Joe Ryan on theshow back in December.
He, he went to bat for me type of thing.
Oh.
So he was somebody thathelped form my career.
And so yeah, it's just those, one ofthose things that I think the internship
gives you that, . Foot in the door,people see you, people communicate
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with you, you build a rapport with, andit's more than just a, a piece of paper
or information on a an application.
Yeah, absolutely.
Or a resume.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So, all right, so then on yourresume you have the internship
and, as you said, you were, therewas a year gap in between that.
So you were, working at loss preventionspecialist with JC Penney and Yes, I
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always, I always like to talk , to peoplewho had that position because there seems
to be some awesome stories for thosethat the work loss prevention specialist.
So I just do you have a, a story ortwo in mind that you'd like to tell?
Yeah, so I actually I didthat for a little while.
Well.
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After my internship, but I also keptdoing it while I was temp seasonal too.
And I still sometimes, like askmy husband, I'm like, Hey, maybe
just on Sundays I could go doloss prevention or something.
And now but him and I were datingactually when I was doing loss
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prevention, and he hated it.
'cause every time I'd, he'd come likeinto the store or something, like,
I'd have to go wrestle someone to theground or and, and I'm not a big person.
I'm five feet tall.
I'm mm-hmm.
I'm not and so that would, he wouldbe like, I don't know what to do.
Do I help you?
Do I stand here?
But, so one of, I guess one of ourfavorite stories is on my head followed
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this girl out of the store and identifiedmyself and told her, and she's like, if
you touch me, I'm gonna poop my pants.
And I was like okay, that's fine,but you're still shoplifting.
Like it's not.
And she kept threatening me and thatthat was what she was going, that
was gonna be her course of action.
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Mm-hmm.
And so I put handcuffs on herand we were walking back into the
store and she told me, she's like,well, I just poop in my pants.
And, and, and, and shedefinitely smelled like it.
And I remember when the officers gotthere, I was like, this one you might just
wanna sight and release, like, I don'tthink you are in the back of your car.
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And so that was.
Oh, okay.
That was probably oneof the more funny ones.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it's definitely I also had a, ayoung lady that I, we ended up in the
middle of a busy street and JC Penney,I don't know if they still do, but they
used to have like a Sephora, which is.
The makeup's kind ofexpensive, so you steal
Oh, sure.
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A dozen items and you're atthat felony level offense.
It was icy out.
It was the middle of winter.
We fell into the road and I'm trying toget handcuffs on her, and I have this
man who stops his car and runs up andhe's just like, ladies, ladies, please.
And.
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I was like, I'm a loss prevention officer.
Like she stole all this makeup from us.
And he was like, well, I need to seeyour badge as I'm on top of her, like
physically trying to get her in custody.
And I'm like, what?
And so like, I'm like, well,it's in my back pocket.
So he literally reachedin my back pocket Oh,
nice.
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And took it out.
And then was like, oh,okay, now I'll help you.
So I mean, at least heoffered the help, right.
He could have just like dropped itand then just got back in his car.
Right,
right.
Like, oh, okay.
Or he could have takenthe makeup, I guess.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, okay.
Yeah, this is, this is goodvalue right here for me.
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Oh man.
So is it, is it one of those things whereyou just saw them do it or is there a, you
saw 'em on camera or something like that?
Something that triggers, triggers aspider sense in India that something's up.
So for a while usually it wouldbe like I, we didn't have a lot
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of cameras when I worked there.
Mm-hmm.
They do now.
I'm really jealous when I go in there now.
I'm like, I used to work hereand this is so much better.
You guys have it so easy.
I get to be the old lady that'sthat's like, oh, back in my day.
Yep, yep.
And so, but we would kind of justpretend like we were looking for
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items and, and you know I had a malepartner at the time, so it was kind
of easy for us to go around together.
Almost like a couple.
Yeah.
And kind of then you just seepeople like put stuff in there.
I mean, I still see it now,like my husband says like, I
can't go anywhere with you.
'cause you always see someone shopliftingand I just like, you just see 'em do it.
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And then as long as they didn't gointo like a bathroom or a fitting
room, then we were able to, I.
Detained them at that point.
So
there, there does seem to beso many different roles now.
I mean, some, you, some I thinkstories don't even want you to
put your hands on the person.
Right.
Right.
And then if you, if you, ifyou falsely accuse somebody,
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you're, you're fired on the spot.
Yes.
I've heard you, you hear differentstories or different policies from
different, different stores and it'sobviously puts those employees at a bind.
Like, what do you want me to do?
Right.
Right.
I'm not gonna risk my job, but atthe same time this is going on.
You want me to prevent it, type of thing.
Yeah.
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And it's, so, I think it's frustratingkind of from a law enforcement perspective
as well, because it's like, oh, we'recalling the police because we have
shoplifters, but we we didn't do, wedidn't Hey, can you put that back?
Or we don't even customer servicethem anymore or some of the things
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that, that have been used before.
It's just like, oh yeah, wejust kind of wave at them as
they walk out the door and.
So I'm sure it's frustratingfor the employees too.
I can't even imagine workingsomewhere and being like, Hey,
thanks for stealing from us today.
You know?
So I think it's, I'm sure it'sfrustrating all the way around,
but yeah.
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All right.
, Let's get to your time here in Spokane.
So starting out, finally got in there.
What, I mean, you were,you were a temp there.
So I, I guess let's start there.
The temp position, that sounds likesomething where they had a very specific
task they needed done and at least atthe time felt that it wasn't something
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that they had a , permanent need for,but there was a temp need for it.
Was that the case?
I think that they just really needed moreanalysts and that was the best way with
their current funding to bring one on.
Okay.
That would be my guess.
Mm-hmm.
I, I mean, I don't know for sure.
I wasn't like assignedlike one specific task.
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Oh, okay.
I had an area which actuallyI still have the same area
today, so
tap to perm.
Permanent.
Yeah.
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
There's obviously a variety oftasks that an analyst can do and
you, you're crime and intelligenceanalyst, so you're definitely have
a wide array based on your title.
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So what kind of thingsare you getting into?
I do.
So our city is split.
There's a river that runs.
Just on the north sideof our downtown area.
So we're split up into everythingnorth of the river is considered North.
I grew up here and I grew up on thenorth side, and I can promise you if
you're a true north sider, you don'tconsider just short of the river, the
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north side, but I do have everything.
I encompass that wholearea north of the river.
And then we have another analyst whoencompasses downtown and the south side.
So a lot of what I do is I'm there.
It's such a large area.
So I help out with alot of property crime.
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Really?
Because there's obviously no shortage ofproperty crime anywhere, I don't think.
I'm currently on my ninth captain.
I like to think that it's not me.
But so going through ninecaptains my role changes yeah.
Every time that I get a new person in thedoor and I usually have to train them.
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Yeah.
And they'll tell you that, they'lltell you that, that I've trained them.
So on like what we're gonna do.
But I would, I would say it'sbeen all the trends, right?
Everything that trends, like sometimesit's, homeless camp analysis.
Sometimes it's property crimes.
Right now I'm working on on, we've, we'vehad quite a few shootings since Easter,
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so I'm, I've kind of shifted over to that.
So there, there's just like areally big, it's very diverse,
right?
I I, I find it funny.
I find it interesting.
Well, nine captains is, and ifI'm roughly doing the math here,
that's, that's almost like a captaina year that you're just about.
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Yep.
Just about.
And it, it amazes me because I feel that.
Certainly I went through that when,when I worked at a police department
and I, I get the idea that you'rerotating through your leadership
and giving people a opportunity.
Captains are major, anopportunity to rotate through
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all the different departments.
I feel that that is not done on.
Maybe in the military it's done.
But I feel that like everywhereelse in society, you don't have
this clear rotation, right?
I mean, you obviously may havetransfers and you have people going,
managers going here and there.
So there is, there ishierarchical shakeups, but
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not this rotating door right.
Of people.
And it's definitely not the pointwhere you're training your manager.
Right?
Like that's definitely when I, I thinkwhen analyst come in for the first time
and they're experiencing this stuff, it'slike, well this is, this is really odd
that I'm getting a new captain once ayear and I am having to train him or her.
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Right?
With the property crime, doyou feel that Spokane has any
particular trend or pattern.
Property crime, or, I mean, it'sobviously, as you mentioned, everybody
has property crime issues, but I'm, I'mcurious to know if there's something
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that may be unique to Spokane thatyou've heard that other areas don't have.
I mean, I think it'sprobably like fairly similar.
Mm-hmm.
We.
We dealt with our fair share of Kia Boysand just stealing cars for the fun of it.
And
is Kia Boys?
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What is Kia Boys.
Oh, okay.
So Kia Boys is like, it.
I, I'm wanna say itstarted as a TikTok trend.
Mm-hmm.
Kias were very easily stolen.
And so these kids that mm-hmm.
Called themselves, the HEA boyswould go out and record themselves
stealing Kias and wrecking them.
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Oh,
and it was really popular for a while.
I don't know if other agenciesare still dealing with that.
We have drastically dropped off,but kind of like any trend, I think
it just it's onto the next one.
Yeah.
It seems to me, somebody toldme the old man elder's getting,
getting bad with his memory.
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It seems to me that there wassomething with, and I thought it
was with Kia or there was likea capability to start the car.
Was like A USB.
There was like a USB Yeah.
Function to it.
So,
Really they can do it within seconds.
They just pop off the plastic piece,like where the ignition is on the
steering column and they couldbring like a USB with them and
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plug it right in and start it up.
But most people keep their phonechargers in their car and it
plugs into the USB in their car.
So they're essentially stealingyour car with your, with your own.
Charger cable.
Like,
so then they're not even, they'renot even bring, they're not even
bringing their own USB cable.
They're just using theone that's in the car.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
That would, that would be one ofthose things that I, I would be so
excited as a kid to see it work.
Like, obviously stealing a car is wrong.
Wrecking a car, wrecking propertythat's not yours is wrong.
But to see somebody tell you that,like, Hey, this is, this can be
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done and you see it for the firsttime, like, it, it would be wild.
I would not believe that this was a thing.
Like people could start a car with a USB.
Right.
Well, and like, I wanna say maybelike five or six years before that,
it was Subarus with rake tins.
Like all you had rake tines,like a rake, like a yard rake.
The time, like the, themetal tines in the rake.
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Mm-hmm.
You just stick it in where thekey goes, and you could start
Subarus that way, like super fast.
It makes, it makes me wonderlike, who came up with that?
Like, who had the idea oflike, Hey what I wanna,
lets, I wanna stick this rake
tie in.
Yeah.
And maybe some guys just down therelike, I'm sticking any, just randomly
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stick stuff in the ignition of Subarusuntil it started and they finally
ended up with the, with a rake.
Yeah.
Oh geez.
All right.
No, that's, that's interesting.
And then what's up withthe shooting since Easter?
You know I would, I, most of it hasreally just been kind of the wrong
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people in the wrong place at the wrongtime, which I mean, obviously is.
I mean, we could say that about anything,but for us it's just been an argument
started over something stupid forpeople that don't even know each other.
Hmm.
But maybe this person mouthed off tothe wrong juvenile who runs with a gun
They just are, they're very they're justso different than like what we're used
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to seeing where you see the gangs and theretaliation and these ones just really
aren't fitting that pattern right now.
Hmm.
So.
Alright.
Well, let's get into youranalyst badge story then.
And for those that may be newto the show, the analyst badge
story is the career defining caseor project that analyst works.
So we're going slightly goback to 2017 which is now eight
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years ago, believe it or not.
This is the case where you hadgot up and got outta the office.
Yeah.
So I went to a training and Iheard another analyst talking
about getting out of the office.
And obviously with my previousshoplifting endeavors, I definitely
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wanted to get out of the office.
Sitting at a desk is notlike the highlight of my day.
Yeah.
And so I was asked, by some ofour property crime o officers if
I would do a stop report for them.
So basically they had atracker on this guy's car.
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And if you've ever done a stopreport on a tracker for someone who's
on drugs that they can literallydrive around for days and days.
And I'm not really sure when they sleep,but so I had a list of addresses that this
guy that was a suspect in a ton of theftshe, we had a list of places that he kept
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stopping and I had been tracking this.
For a while, and the officers cameback in and they were like, Hey,
do you, do you think that you knowwhere he is taking all the stuff?
And I said, well, wehave a couple options.
They were like, all right, well let's go.
And I was like, this is so exciting.
And so they let me pick the first locationand the first location that we picked.
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I have still to this day, never been ina location with that much stolen property
Oh wow.
In it.
And so that was kind of exciting'cause I picked the right one.
So, so how did you, how did you whittleit down to the, to that location?
So we still went to a couple of theother locations, but because of, so
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on the stop report a lot of the times.
There would be a couple likeburglaries in the area of mm-hmm.
The stop report.
And then he would go to this housethat was way up north from our
city, and it was like, there wasnothing else really around it.
Mm-hmm.
And
I just felt like that would be thelocation that he would take it to,
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just because there was nothing nobodywould see him like coming and going
in the middle of the night really.
And there was a few others thatwere out and about, but he just
wasn't there as much as like.
This one seemed more of a patternas far as like these burglaries
would happen and then he would,he would go to that location.
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I gotcha.
And so we went out there, I ampretty sure there was more property
than a pawn shop, and the houseactually belonged to his parents.
Mm-hmm.
And they were, I think they werewell aware of, of what was going on.
But so when we went there, theywere very welcoming to all of us.
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Oh.
And, we ended up being outthere almost all night going
through all of this property.
Did he have it in a room?
Was it in a shed?
The garage, it
was everywhere.
Like the, the whole basement wasfull of like power tools and stereos.
Mm-hmm.
And like all different things.
The garage was full.
There was a stolenvehicle out in the yard.
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There was a shop.
There was just, it, it was literallyeverywhere through the, so it's, it's
not like the parents couldn't know.
Right.
That what was going on.
And my computer ended updying while we were out there.
I mean, we literally were out there.
It started snowing.
I don't know why all of my storieshave snow in them or ice, but it
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started snowing while we were outthere and I was like, my computer died.
'cause my job while I was out therewas running the stolen property to
see if we could connect it to owners.
Mm-hmm.
And so they ended up bringing me alltheir laptops their patrol laptops.
And so I have a photo of me withlike three patrol laptops as I'm
out there trying to run propertyon three different computers.
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To try to get through it so that we couldactually leave at some point that night.
Oh man.
That I just, I have different visionsof who I think the parents are just
like like, yeah, we knew it, but hey,we couldn't, we couldn't turn in junior.
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Sorry.
Right.
Yeah, it was, I mean, it was, they wereout in the garage like the dad and like,
I think the uncle came over 'cause itwas like, almost like cool, like, oh,
the police are here, raiding our house.
And they're, and so like, we'rein their garage running property
and like, we ended up, someoneended up bringing us out pizzas.
I mean, that's how long we were there.
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Like, it was a really long time.
And like the dad and the uncle arelike, do you guys want some beers?
And we're like, we're working like,I mean, we do want beers, but.
Oh no, that's oh man.
So, and it's always amazing tome what folks do with trackers.
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I. Around their ankles.
Right?
Oh, for sure.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Like I think they just mustnot believe they work or that
anybody's really paying attention.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know
that really anyone is, unlesslike, oh, we suspected 'em of
something, let's go back and look,
you know?
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know.
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I mean, I guess it's, I think it's thesame thing with some of those street
cameras, at least in the very beginning.
A lot of people didn't believethat the cameras worked, and then
they would be like, be caught doingsomething in front of the camera.
And we were like, why did you,did you, why did you do this
right in front of the camera?
Did you think it was face?
Yeah, it was this blue light flashinglike, like, we didn't think it worked.
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I was like, oh, okay.
So, but man, that'sinteresting to see and to.
Obviously track from, from the,from the hunting zone to Yeah.
The storage area, so yeah.
The eat, work and sleep type of thing.
. Obviously using some GPS and GIS, right?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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It was kind of the beginning of like allof us, like going out and, I mean, we,
we do a lot of field work now, mm-hmm.
As far as like propertysearch warrants and shoplift.
I go on shoplifting specials too.
And so it kind of was the beginning for meof kind of evolving what my position is.
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. I see here just this past Decemberthat you got medal of Merit for the
City of Spokane Police Department.
So what was that all about?
I did so in kind of November, Decemberwe always have an increase in package
thefts, which I think is mm-hmm.
Also normal throughout the country.
(29:44):
Mm-hmm.
As people start getting theirChristmas packages delivered.
And I would say because of thisincrease there's a lot more
like online postings as well.
Like, mm-hmm.
People are posting like, oh,this guy stole my package.
And then you'll start seeinglike, oh, I think that's the
same guy that stole my package.
(30:07):
Mm-hmm.
I had noticed a lot of the same,posts so I started looking into it.
A lot of them were north of ourcity and then there was a handful
of them that were in the city.
And so as I started looking intoit, I noticed that there was a.
A black jeep that was associatedwith all of these package thefts.
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And so I got on flock and I went througha lot of black jeeps and this one
particular was missing a right fender.
Hmm.
So that was my focus was I'mgonna find this black jeep on
flock with this missing fender.
And so I'm going through it and Ifind it to my surprise because I'm
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sure that that that's kind of like,it doesn't always happen that way.
That way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I end up finding the Jeep, sonow I have a plate for the Jeep.
So I start investigating the people thatare the registered owners of the Jeeps
kind just, do they have criminal history?
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Are they loaning their vehicle to a kid?
You know different kind of thingsto see if I can get a suspect,
like a more definite suspect.
So I had put out some of thisinformation to our agency in case
they had come across this vehicle.
And a couple of really awesomeladies that I work with they were
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investigating, like this happened likethe very night that I put it out too.
Like, everyone's like, oh, he is like,oh, everything happened so fast on tv.
And we're like, it doesn'treally happen that fast in real
life, but this kind of did.
And so that night they wereinvestigating a bicycle theft that
somebody had put a tracker on theirbicycle and they could hear the, like,
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'cause the person could make like anaudible noise with it in this garage.
So they went to this apartmentgarage and they could hear it.
So then they obviously got awarrant and got into the garage and
the black Jeep was in the garage.
Hmm.
And so we, they ended up recoveringa bunch of the stolen packages from
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some of the intel that I had puttogether for them because they had
read the flyer and, and everything.
And, I ended up actually contactinga bunch of citizens too that hadn't
called to be victims of package theft.
'cause there's a lot of people that arelike, oh, why would I call the police?
Mm-hmm.
They're not gonna do anything about it.
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But I saw like, ring footage and eventhough we do have an account, like
sometimes people just don't check it orthey don't message us back or mm-hmm.
And so UI used Google Maps be basedon the, like radius circle from the
Ring Doorbell camera and was able tofind more victims so that we could
get their property identified as well.
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Oh, okay.
And I ended up with, I don't wannaget this wrong, but it was like 25.
People that we were able to gettheir stuff back or something.
I mean, it's not a huge
number, but, but hey,that's, that's a big chunk.
. Yeah.
And so we were able toget their stuff back.
Some of it we actually deliveredto them, so they were like super
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happy to get their pre Christmaspresents back and everything.
And one of the moms that Ihad called, I was like, Hey,
did you have a package theft?
And she's like, yeah we, it was, webought my son a scooter and all of a
sudden in the background, I just heardhim go, like, he was just like devastated.
He was like, wait, thatwas my Christmas present.
And I was like, oh , so, itwas, it was a team effort.
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All of us received the ladiesthat found the bike and the Jeep.
, We received that medal andmerit together for going.
Above and beyond what, what ourdepartment expects of us too.
Oh, that's a good feel, good story.
I, I like it.
Yeah.
It it's a good, it's agood Christmas story.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's kind of fun
too, 'cause people will ask meabout it and, and I'll be like,
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oh, well there was this black Jeep.
And they're like, oh,saw that on Facebook.
Or like, like some friends of ours werejust like, I can't believe that was you.
And then they were like superexcited and obviously it's.
It's just nice to actuallyget people's stuff back.
And really, we got a lot of peoplewere getting on Facebook and social
media and being like, the policedepartment contacted me about my
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stolen package and so anytime thatwe can, we can get, get good news.
You good things take it, right?
Yeah, yeah, totally.
That's
definitely, it sounds likethere's a lot of winds there.
And, and of course you arealso dawning again in the snow.
Yes, yes.
Again,
in the snow.
I must work better in the snow.
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Yeah, yeah.
Well, hey, it's, it's probably snowingthere half the year, so it's not like,
all right, good., So let's, I'm
distracted by the sunlight.
One of the things that we got talkingabout in your prep call the concept that
we hear from time to time and talking withother analysts about how do I, how do I be
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utilized or what I'm, I'm having analystsmay be struggling with how do they.
Tell the department or tell theirmanager how to utilize them.
And so you, you were telling me thestory, so I wanted to give you the floor
and just talk a little bit about that,about establishing, being utilized,
and maybe we can even get into someadvice that you have for listeners.
(35:49):
Yeah.
So,
I feel like at conferences.
We hear that a lot of I just dunno whatto do to be utilized and I definitely,
like, my biggest thing is know your cops.
And I, I don't know if it's weird,but I always call them my cops.
I don't know why, butthey're my cops and yeah.
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So know your cops andknow what drives them.
So like they're all different, right?
And some of them are really greatat remembering stolen vehicles and
they like to do stolen vehicles andsome of 'em are really great at.
You know identifying different juvenilesthat are creating problems in the area.
And I feel like when you help themand you know what drives them and
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you're helping them you like thathelps them come to you and trust you.
You're not just like aname on an email to them.
And that's kind of like mybig thing is ridealongs.
I know that's not really foreveryone, but I do ridealongs.
Every couple of months andI try to do all shifts.
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So if I did a day shift, one monthin a couple months, I'm gonna do a
graveyard shift and I'm gonna get toknow everybody so that they know me and
that they're not like, oh, this lady,she emails me all the time and I don't
know I don't know her, so I am not,why would I send information to her?
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But if they are familiar with whatyou do, what you can provide them,
they're also likely to help provideyou with information as well.
So I'll get to know them and I havethem come into my office now and
they're like, Hey, I was at this houseand they were telling me blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, because they knewthat I was working on something in that
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neighborhood and they knew it would beuseful because we've talked about that.
Because when you do a ride along, notonly are you riding with one officer,
but then you're sitting at lunch withthe entire team, and then you're sitting
at roll call also with the entire team.
Like I said, not not everybodyis up to having a ride along.
And I was kind of tellingyou the story mm-hmm.
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About how one of my captains placedme with an officer to do a ride along.
He's like, oh, he's great.
You're gonna, you guys are gonna do great.
And as we're walking out to thecar, he tells me in more or less
words that he's not a fan of my job.
And what I do.
And I was thinking to myselflike, oh goodness, this is gonna
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be a long 10 hours together.
And so I was like, all right, all right.
And we ended up on a call that eveningwith a bunch of juveniles that I knew
from previous cases and he did not know.
They wouldn't tell him whohe, who they were, they.
They didn't have tattoos or anything,you couldn't do a tattoo search
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because they're just little kids.
And they were associated with a vehicle.
And I was able to give him the names andaddresses of all the juveniles that were
there, and also give him a flyer fromanother agency where they actually were
able to tow the vehicle for evidence in abunch of crimes that these juveniles, it
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had to do with like mailbox smashing andlike property damage and stuff like that.
And they were actuallyable to tow the vehicle.
And so after that moment I felt like hewas like, kind of ate his words a little
bit and was like, oh, you do know whatyou're talking about and, , we had a
great rest of the night together and he's,
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a great cop and we work well together now.
And so it's just kind of like theyget to know that you, that you do
know, that you, that you have aplace here and that you that you
know what you're, what you're doing.
And, and so I just think that it'sreally important to get to know them.
Mm-hmm.
Like I said, and, and just knowwhen what each of them are good for.
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You guys can work on projectstogether then they end up also
taking you along a lot of the time.
'cause they're like, oh yeah,we worked on this together.
I'm gonna go out on this today.
You wanna go?
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So.
So
my, my vision that I have in my headand I don't know, did, did you watch
the movie Thor, Ragnarok, by chance?
My, my kids are gonna hateme right now, but I did not.
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Well, I, I, I'll tell the story and thenyou can relay it back to back to them.
Okay.
But there's this part in themovie where Thor is, is going
to fa have to battle this.
This big monster that he doesn't now.
And then he sees it's anincredible Hulk and he gets all
excited, like, yes, yes, yes.
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And he looks like, and he, there'sa part that I think was it actually
was put in for the Make-A-Wishproject where there was a Make-A-Wish
person there on set the one day.
And he said that he, he is just like, heThor should say, I know him from work and.
And so that's the line.
They ad lib that line a little bit islike, he's all excited to see Hulk.
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'cause he recognizes Hulk and thensays, oh, I know him from work.
And so I envision when you, when you'reon this ride along and you see these kids
that you're like, oh yes, I know them.
Like I can help.
Yes I can, I can, I can contribute.
Right?
It's right.
I can imagine.
I was the excitement.
Very excited.
I was like, oh, oh me my turn.
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Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
No, that's, that's good.
As opposed to like, the other thingis like, if you didn't know them and
there was nothing you could do andthere was, it was just a long 10 hours,
right?
Yes.
Yeah.
Fortunately that went, that went exactly.
I think maybe my captain knewthat that was gonna happen.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
That's, that's a great, great story.
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Why we're at it, just let's talkabout advice for our listeners.
So in terms of new analyst, experiencedanalyst, maybe a return on investment.
What's something that somebodycan study now that's gonna be
important from five years from now?
Any, any advice for our listeners?
I would say like something that I think'sreally important is know your trends.
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Like, know your area, like if youhave reoccurring every year, like,
so we have a college in Spokane.
Mm-hmm.
And it's.
Every winter the kids all leave, right?
Mm-hmm.
They go home for the winter, for Christmasbreak and residential burglaries go up.
And this was a thing for, for awhile, and it kind of was like,
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Hey, why don't we do a special.
During this timeframefor residential burglary.
And the first year that we put itin place we caught a guy in doing
a residential burglary there.
And now every year we putthat special in place.
And so like I said, when I trainmy captains when they come in, I'm
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like, Hey, so we have to do thisresidential burglary special and
they're like, oh, well the last twoyears there hasn't been any residential
burglaries in this neighborhood.
And I'm like, yes.
And that is because we're flooding thearea with police and we're allowing the
campus security to know this as well.
And, and it kind of goes forlike different events that
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you have as well in your city.
We have a big basketball thingat one of, at our arena here.
And when I.
When I first started doing this, theywere really big on like, we gotta make
sure that we're we're good on all thevehicle prowling in the parking lot.
And then I realized like all thevehicle, there were no vehicle
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prowling in the parking lot.
All the vehicle prowling were at thearea hotels while everyone was gone.
Mm.
And I'm like, so now every yearwe have these specials at the area
hotels and we were pretty muchable this year to eliminate vehicle
prowling at all of those hotels.
Nice.
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And so I think it's just really importantto know these trends so that every year.
You can, you can be like, Hey,this is for this weekend only,
we need to focus on this.
And this is really important.
And I think if you know that thathelps you look like you know your area
and when you, obviously, if you candrive crime down in an area that's
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traditionally plagued with vehicleprowls or residential burglaries,
that's gonna be good for everybody.
So, yeah.
Very good.
That a great story.
Let's talk about NORCAN now, 'causeas I mentioned in your intro, you're
former board member, you're mm-hmm.
Former VP of membership and the Yeah.
Nor just recently had their biannualconference here at the end of April.
(44:33):
Mm-hmm.
So I thought, let's just talk alittle bit about nor and how the
conference went, and just some ofyour perspective , of the network.
Yeah.
So I love Narcan, so I'm gladthat we're talking about it.
I have met some really awesome analysts.
Like my favorite thing aboutit is just the networking.
(44:56):
Mm-hmm.
That we get to do when we're all together.
It would be.
Even more awesome if we couldget together once a year.
But it's a lot of work to put on aconference, so, and it, I mean, we
pretty much start working on the nextconference not long after one gets done.
Mm-hmm.
And it's two, it's two years out.
So we just had a conference in HoodRiver, Oregon which is, if you've
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never been, it's very beautiful.
It's right on the Columbia River andwe were blessed with sunshine all week.
So,
so that was great.
Where traditionally thereyou'd probably get more rain.
I don't know that it snows.
Mm-hmm.
Too much there on the Columbia River.
Mm-hmm.
I would say probably more rain,but yeah, we didn't, it was we
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we just had beautiful weather.
We had a lot of people from all over thecountry actually doing presentations.
We had some people from Milwaukee andNew York, and so you'd fly into Portland,
Oregon and then drive east a little waysand, and you pass a beautiful waterfall.
And I even convinced some ofthem to maybe skip a couple
hours and go hike the waterfall.
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And they were just.
It was just such a beautiful area.
Everyone had such a great time.
We got so many compliments and Ireally credit a lot of that just to the
scenery and like when you feel good,I feel like everything else around you
is gonna be, is gonna be pretty good.
And, and I had one guy talking to meabout, he's like, this is probably one
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of the best conferences I've been to.
And he was really excited about the factthat analysts talk about analyst stuff.
Mm-hmm.
After the conference is over, like wecan all nerd out together on whatever
analyst topic we wanna talk about.
And he is like, I've been tothese conference and nobody wants
to talk about any of this stuff.
And so I was like,
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well, yeah, no, I, it's funny.
I just realize that.
I think people don't understand Whenyou're from an area of the country
where you have a lot of cloudy days,the fact that you get a week worth
of sunshine is a really big deal.
(47:12):
I'm from Northwestern Pennsylvania andI know there's always a stat that all
my relatives say or something like Ithink, I think it's the most cloudiest
days east of the Mississippi so I reallyhave this appreciation for those that
have so many cloudy days and then , youget this break in the weather and you
have all the sunshine and it's, itmakes me really appreciate the sunshine
(47:35):
now that I'm down here in Florida.
Yes.
Yeah.
, It's definitely a blessing.
We all like walked, we had a anetworking night at a brewery down
the way a little bit, and like ahandful of people like walked to
it because they're all like, yay.
I mean, 'cause we're all the,the majority of Narcan members
are from Washington state.
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It does, we do have membersin Oregon Montana, Idaho other
areas in the Pacific Northwest.
But it's definitely, you couldtell everybody was definitely
enjoying the sunshine.
'cause they're like, I'm walking.
So
, How many attendees didyou have approximately?
I believe we were at about 85.
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. , That's about like what we hope for.
So
yeah, I just I just got donewith my first, I. Carolina Crime
Analysis Association Conference.
Okay.
, That had about a hundred.
So that's, I think that's, that's, I thinkthat's typical for regional associations.
From my vantage point, it was interestingbeing at a smaller conference.
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'cause that was my fir wellno, it wasn't my first, it was
my only, my second regionalconference that I've ever been to.
And so it was, it it is, it isa little bit of different vibe,
but yeah, it's just as good.
And there's so, so much as yousaid, nerding out talking and
shop getting to know people andseeing old faces and new faces.
It's, it's a lot of fun.
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Yeah, it's super, it's, it's supergreat to connect with everyone and,
and meet new people and also see peoplethat you haven't seen in a while.
You might talk to them oremail them occasionally, but,
but that's super great.
All right.
Did they announce when the next one is?
They did not announce it,but we do it every two years.
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So it'll be in April of 27.
Yeah.
But they, they don't have the site yet?
No.
We usually the past couple years have donelike a poll and asked people like, where
would you like to see the next conference?
So two years ago we were in Boise Idaho.
And then, which is a beautiful place.
(49:43):
Mm-hmm.
And the police chief told us not to tellanyone how beautiful and clean it was
there, but I am gonna tell everybody.
And then, hood River.
Hood River was awesome as well in, inOregon and I know a lot of analysts
want it to come back to Spokane.
I kind of like getting away 'cause Idon't have the rest of the distractions
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that are in my life, whereas ifthere's a conference here, I still
gotta take care of everything else.
So I kinda like it away, but Iunderstand like why they like it here,
so that, that could be a possibility.
So we'll just have to see.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, very good.
Well let's finish up with personalinterest then, for you, you.
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I talked about your kids already,you're a band mom and Yep.
A mom for a competitive dancer.
Yes.
Yes I am.
It keeps me very busy.
So when I'm not here actuallytonight we're getting ready
for our annual lilac parade.
So I have parade practice, so Ichaperone teenagers marching through
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a neighborhood and we have to likestand in front of streets so that
they don't get hit by cars, I guess.
And so we have parade practice tonight'cause we're getting ready for our,
our lilac parade here in Spokane.
And but yeah, that keeps me really busy.
We've been to Californiaa couple times for band.
They're headed to Florida.
Next April.
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And then my youngest one who is six,just started competitive dance this year,
and that keeps me very busy as well.
Oh man.
So, and she has a dance competitionthis weekend, so we just, every
weekend it's, it's something.
Oh man.
As a parent, is there one.
(51:30):
That's more annoying than the other interms of band or competitive dancing?
No.
The only part of band that I find annoyingis like when you go in, like I've, I've
helped them do like uniform fittings.
Mm-hmm.
And you've got 50 kids playingdifferent instruments and I don't
even know what they're playing.
(51:50):
They're not like playing together,they're just blowing on their instruments
because it's in front of their face.
Yeah.
And I
just always look at the bandteacher and I'm like, what?
How do you do this every day?
Yeah.
Like,
I don't, I, that part is the onlylike an, I guess, annoying part.
But yeah, it's definitely and I,I use a lot of my vacation time
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to chaperone their band trips.
'cause they're usually during theschool year and, and yeah, so it's.
It's a, it's a whole notherfull-time job in itself.
Yeah.
And I feel with both of those, , it'sprobably not encouraged that
you're a very loud spectator.
Right.
Like, there's not, like you're,it's not like a maybe a morning
(52:35):
event where you're yelling andcheering for, for the participants.
Something like band orcompetitive dancing.
You just you're just sitting back andchilling and , watching it all play out.
So that's what I would think.
But we were at a dance competitionthis year and people are
like hooping and hollering.
Oh, okay.
Like during the performance andlike, like if they do this cool
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dance move, like people are yellingand screaming and You got it girl.
And I'm just like, oh my gosh.
Like it was.
Yeah, so I am, I am not that parentthough, and so that's kind of weird for me
for sure.
Yeah.
No, yeah.
Our, our 13-year-old daughterplays volleyball, and my wife
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and I are very different and my,it is funny that my daughter.
Pointed it out to us like, they'relike, mom's way louder than dad.
Like, dad, I don't even,I don't even hear 'em.
Like, and I, and I'm not, , I'm obviouslyin it and I'm invested in it, and I
know what she's supposed to be doing,so I'm like I, I get into it that way in
terms of trying to make the point and,and all that she's trying to do, but.
(53:41):
Yeah, and my wife's way more in, interms of encouraging, in terms of
yelling and all that other stuff.
But it's
my husband coaches high schoolbasketball and I would say I
am more vocal at that Yeah.
Than, , the other ones.
So,
, And he's not
even out there playing.
Yeah.
Very good.
All right, so our last segment to the showis Words to the World, and this is where
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you can promote any idea that you wish.
What are your words to the world?
My words to the world are that eventhough we work in a place where
it seems like there's a lot ofnegative things around us as far as.
The people that we deal with, thereare still a lot of really good people
(54:27):
out there and I feel like never give uphope or expectations that people will
do the right thing or be good people.
I just, I guess I'm still always surprisedsometimes when I hear things, even though
I've been doing this job for a while.
But I credit that to not givingup hope that there are a lot
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of good people out there still.
Very good.
Well, I leave every guestwith you giving me just enough
to talk bad about you later,
but
I do appreciate youbeing on the show, Jamie.
Thank you so much.
And you be safe.
Thank you.
You too.
Thank you for making it tothe end of another episode of
Analyst Talk with Jason Elder.
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Welcome to Analyst Talk with Jason Elder.
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It's like coffee with an analyst,or it could be whiskey with an
analyst reading a spreadsheet,linking crime events, identifying a
series, and getting the latest scoopon association news and training.
So please don't beat that analystand join us as we define the law
enforcement analysis profession.
One episode at time.
Thank you for joining me.
I hope many aspects ofyour life are progressing.
My name is Jason Elder, and todayour guest has 11 years of law
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enforcement analysis experience, all.
As the crime and intelligence analyst withthe city of Spokane Police Department.
She holds a crime and intelligenceanalysis certificate from California
State University in Sacramento.
She's a former boardmember of NORCAN the North.
Northern Regional Crime Analyst Network.
She's here to talk about, among otherthings, the recent North Hand conference.
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Please welcome Jamie Lamanna.
Jamie, how we doing?
Great, thank you.
. How are things in Washington these days?
It's starting to get sunny, so,
so that's good.
Yeah.
So you finally are, are you finallypast the, the winter or do you think
you are still worried that you stillthere still might be a storm ahead?
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We could definitely still get some snow.
It was 80 degrees the other day.
That does not mean that snow isstill not around the corner, so.
Oh man.
Yeah.
So you get the full array ofseasons up there in Washington?
Yes,
yes we do.
Oh, beautiful, beautiful country up there.
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So it's awesome.
Alright, so how did you discover thelaw enforcement analysis profession?
So I was in school for a criminaljustice degree and I knew that I wanted
to do something for law enforcement,but I wasn't a hundred percent sure
if that meant to become a cop or ifthere was something else I could do.
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And throughout school I wasrequired to do an internship.
Mm-hmm.
And I got an internship withthe Spokane Police Department.
And originally they had me doingsome spreadsheets for time and, and
just keeping track of some people's.
Like volunteer hours and stuff and mm-hmm.
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They ran outta work for me to doand so they sent me over to crime
analysis and I had no idea whatthat was or what I was getting into.
And luckily I was.
Welcomed by some, more seasonedcrime analysts that were already
working for the department.
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And I kind of fell in love withit and I was like, okay, yeah,
this is what I want to do.
So I finished my internship andkind of was hoping for a job,
but they weren't really hiring.
And I think maybe, I think it was closeto a year later actually, that I had
gotten a phone call , and they werelooking for temp seasonal employee
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with our crime analyst department.
And I was like, absolutely.
So I came in as a temp seasonal forI think almost a year and a half.
I was temp seasonal Wow.
Before a full-time position opened up.
That was a little bit harderto get into than I expected.
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The job requirement wastwo years of experience.
And like I just told you, I hada year and a half of experience.
And so originally I wasn't qualified forthe position that I was already working.
And so that was that was hard.
But I had some really,really great people.
Behind me that we're, doing everythingthey could to get those qualifications
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kind of adjusted and changed.
So after the, list expired, thequalifications changed and I was able
to use my internship as experience.
And so then I was able to get hiredfull-time for the department., Man,
that, that is a, I think that'sa journey in itself there.
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I i, it almost makes me smile.
Just people different.
Journeys to analysis and itprobably journey to any job.
But there's so many people thatare trying, they're applying,
they know they want the analystposition, they're applying all over
the country, and they finally landa spot somewhere in the country.
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And then there's, there's somefolks that are like you, like
you that, hey, stumbled on it.
We're in the rightplace at the right time.
We're patient, we're diligent and justslowly, slowly took the opportunities
that were in front of you to the pointwhere, hey, somebody sounds like they
went to bat for you a little bit.
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Yes.
Yeah, they did.
And, and got you that position.
So that's just a it shows thatsomething that they obviously liked
your work and enjoyed working with you,and it, it all paid off in the end.
Yes, it did.
And we, you talking about that Irecently helped out an agency in Western
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Washington to do some interviews andthey had two candidates, one that.
Been in the crime analyst field for along time, and one that has never been in
the field, but she's gone to trainings.
She's a dispatcher.
She, I, she would be an amazing hire.
Mm-hmm.
I felt like their agency kind of neededsomeone that that had experience, but
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I would hire her in a minute to comework with us where we already have
analysts that could help train her.
And so our agency's actually kind oftaking on an approach here in the near
future where we will tr like have like asection of hirees where we can train them.
Mm-hmm.
And then a section foralready experienced analysts.
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So you have like alittle bit of a bullpen.
There's gonna be like kindof like different steps.
So we, we would be able to hire someonewho, let's say, like, has been through
like a bunch of trainings, but they mightnot have like, have quite the experience
or or we could hire someone so we'llhave like kind of options rather than
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your HR department being just lookingat someone and saying, oh no, they're
not qualified right off the bat with so,
Yeah.
The, I I've talked many a time on thisshow about the importance of internship.
I mm-hmm.
I benefited from the internship.
There's, it, it reallyjumped, started my career.
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I got hired on right after I wasdone with my internship again.
I had Joe Ryan on theshow back in December.
He, he went to bat for me type of thing.
Oh.
So he was somebody thathelped form my career.
And so yeah, it's just those, one ofthose things that I think the internship
gives you that, . Foot in the door,people see you, people communicate
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with you, you build a rapport with, andit's more than just a, a piece of paper
or information on a an application.
Yeah, absolutely.
Or a resume.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So, all right, so then on yourresume you have the internship
and, as you said, you were, therewas a year gap in between that.
So you were, working at loss preventionspecialist with JC Penney and Yes, I
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always, I always like to talk , to peoplewho had that position because there seems
to be some awesome stories for thosethat the work loss prevention specialist.
So I just do you have a, a story ortwo in mind that you'd like to tell?
Yeah, so I actually I didthat for a little while.
Well.
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After my internship, but I also keptdoing it while I was temp seasonal too.
And I still sometimes, like askmy husband, I'm like, Hey, maybe
just on Sundays I could go doloss prevention or something.
And now but him and I were datingactually when I was doing loss
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prevention, and he hated it.
'cause every time I'd, he'd come likeinto the store or something, like,
I'd have to go wrestle someone to theground or and, and I'm not a big person.
I'm five feet tall.
I'm mm-hmm.
I'm not and so that would, he wouldbe like, I don't know what to do.
Do I help you?
Do I stand here?
But, so one of, I guess one of ourfavorite stories is on my head followed
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this girl out of the store and identifiedmyself and told her, and she's like, if
you touch me, I'm gonna poop my pants.
And I was like okay, that's fine,but you're still shoplifting.
Like it's not.
And she kept threatening me and thatthat was what she was going, that
was gonna be her course of action.
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Mm-hmm.
And so I put handcuffs on herand we were walking back into the
store and she told me, she's like,well, I just poop in my pants.
And, and, and, and shedefinitely smelled like it.
And I remember when the officers gotthere, I was like, this one you might just
wanna sight and release, like, I don'tthink you are in the back of your car.
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And so that was.
Oh, okay.
That was probably oneof the more funny ones.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it's definitely I also had a, ayoung lady that I, we ended up in the
middle of a busy street and JC Penney,I don't know if they still do, but they
used to have like a Sephora, which is.
The makeup's kind ofexpensive, so you steal
Oh, sure.
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A dozen items and you're atthat felony level offense.
It was icy out.
It was the middle of winter.
We fell into the road and I'm trying toget handcuffs on her, and I have this
man who stops his car and runs up andhe's just like, ladies, ladies, please.
And.
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I was like, I'm a loss prevention officer.
Like she stole all this makeup from us.
And he was like, well, I need to seeyour badge as I'm on top of her, like
physically trying to get her in custody.
And I'm like, what?
And so like, I'm like, well,it's in my back pocket.
So he literally reachedin my back pocket Oh,
nice.
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And took it out.
And then was like, oh,okay, now I'll help you.
So I mean, at least heoffered the help, right.
He could have just like dropped itand then just got back in his car.
Right,
right.
Like, oh, okay.
Or he could have takenthe makeup, I guess.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, okay.
Yeah, this is, this is goodvalue right here for me.
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Oh man.
So is it, is it one of those things whereyou just saw them do it or is there a, you
saw 'em on camera or something like that?
Something that triggers, triggers aspider sense in India that something's up.
So for a while usually it wouldbe like I, we didn't have a lot
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of cameras when I worked there.
Mm-hmm.
They do now.
I'm really jealous when I go in there now.
I'm like, I used to work hereand this is so much better.
You guys have it so easy.
I get to be the old lady that'sthat's like, oh, back in my day.
Yep, yep.
And so, but we would kind of justpretend like we were looking for
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items and, and you know I had a malepartner at the time, so it was kind
of easy for us to go around together.
Almost like a couple.
Yeah.
And kind of then you just seepeople like put stuff in there.
I mean, I still see it now,like my husband says like, I
can't go anywhere with you.
'cause you always see someone shopliftingand I just like, you just see 'em do it.
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And then as long as they didn't gointo like a bathroom or a fitting
room, then we were able to, I.
Detained them at that point.
So
there, there does seem to beso many different roles now.
I mean, some, you, some I thinkstories don't even want you to
put your hands on the person.
Right.
Right.
And then if you, if you, ifyou falsely accuse somebody,
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you're, you're fired on the spot.
Yes.
I've heard you, you hear differentstories or different policies from
different, different stores and it'sobviously puts those employees at a bind.
Like, what do you want me to do?
Right.
Right.
I'm not gonna risk my job, but atthe same time this is going on.
You want me to prevent it, type of thing.
Yeah.
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And it's, so, I think it's frustratingkind of from a law enforcement perspective
as well, because it's like, oh, we'recalling the police because we have
shoplifters, but we we didn't do, wedidn't Hey, can you put that back?
Or we don't even customer servicethem anymore or some of the things
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that, that have been used before.
It's just like, oh yeah, wejust kind of wave at them as
they walk out the door and.
So I'm sure it's frustratingfor the employees too.
I can't even imagine workingsomewhere and being like, Hey,
thanks for stealing from us today.
You know?
So I think it's, I'm sure it'sfrustrating all the way around,
but yeah.
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All right.
, Let's get to your time here in Spokane.
So starting out, finally got in there.
What, I mean, you were,you were a temp there.
So I, I guess let's start there.
The temp position, that sounds likesomething where they had a very specific
task they needed done and at least atthe time felt that it wasn't something
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that they had a , permanent need for,but there was a temp need for it.
Was that the case?
I think that they just really needed moreanalysts and that was the best way with
their current funding to bring one on.
Okay.
That would be my guess.
Mm-hmm.
I, I mean, I don't know for sure.
I wasn't like assignedlike one specific task.
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Oh, okay.
I had an area which actuallyI still have the same area
today, so
tap to perm.
Permanent.
Yeah.
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
There's obviously a variety oftasks that an analyst can do and
you, you're crime and intelligenceanalyst, so you're definitely have
a wide array based on your title.
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So what kind of thingsare you getting into?
I do.
So our city is split.
There's a river that runs.
Just on the north sideof our downtown area.
So we're split up into everythingnorth of the river is considered North.
I grew up here and I grew up on thenorth side, and I can promise you if
you're a true north sider, you don'tconsider just short of the river, the
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north side, but I do have everything.
I encompass that wholearea north of the river.
And then we have another analyst whoencompasses downtown and the south side.
So a lot of what I do is I'm there.
It's such a large area.
So I help out with alot of property crime.
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Really?
Because there's obviously no shortage ofproperty crime anywhere, I don't think.
I'm currently on my ninth captain.
I like to think that it's not me.
But so going through ninecaptains my role changes yeah.
Every time that I get a new person in thedoor and I usually have to train them.
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Yeah.
And they'll tell you that, they'lltell you that, that I've trained them.
So on like what we're gonna do.
But I would, I would say it'sbeen all the trends, right?
Everything that trends, like sometimesit's, homeless camp analysis.
Sometimes it's property crimes.
Right now I'm working on on, we've, we'vehad quite a few shootings since Easter,
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so I'm, I've kind of shifted over to that.
So there, there's just like areally big, it's very diverse,
right?
I I, I find it funny.
I find it interesting.
Well, nine captains is, and ifI'm roughly doing the math here,
that's, that's almost like a captaina year that you're just about.
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Yep.
Just about.
And it, it amazes me because I feel that.
Certainly I went through that when,when I worked at a police department
and I, I get the idea that you'rerotating through your leadership
and giving people a opportunity.
Captains are major, anopportunity to rotate through
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all the different departments.
I feel that that is not done on.
Maybe in the military it's done.
But I feel that like everywhereelse in society, you don't have
this clear rotation, right?
I mean, you obviously may havetransfers and you have people going,
managers going here and there.
So there is, there ishierarchical shakeups, but
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not this rotating door right.
Of people.
And it's definitely not the pointwhere you're training your manager.
Right?
Like that's definitely when I, I thinkwhen analyst come in for the first time
and they're experiencing this stuff, it'slike, well this is, this is really odd
that I'm getting a new captain once ayear and I am having to train him or her.
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Right?
With the property crime, doyou feel that Spokane has any
particular trend or pattern.
Property crime, or, I mean, it'sobviously, as you mentioned, everybody
has property crime issues, but I'm, I'mcurious to know if there's something
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that may be unique to Spokane thatyou've heard that other areas don't have.
I mean, I think it'sprobably like fairly similar.
Mm-hmm.
We.
We dealt with our fair share of Kia Boysand just stealing cars for the fun of it.
And
is Kia Boys?
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What is Kia Boys.
Oh, okay.
So Kia Boys is like, it.
I, I'm wanna say itstarted as a TikTok trend.
Mm-hmm.
Kias were very easily stolen.
And so these kids that mm-hmm.
Called themselves, the HEA boyswould go out and record themselves
stealing Kias and wrecking them.
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Oh,
and it was really popular for a while.
I don't know if other agenciesare still dealing with that.
We have drastically dropped off,but kind of like any trend, I think
it just it's onto the next one.
Yeah.
It seems to me, somebody toldme the old man elder's getting,
getting bad with his memory.
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It seems to me that there wassomething with, and I thought it
was with Kia or there was likea capability to start the car.
Was like A USB.
There was like a USB Yeah.
Function to it.
So,
Really they can do it within seconds.
They just pop off the plastic piece,like where the ignition is on the
steering column and they couldbring like a USB with them and
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plug it right in and start it up.
But most people keep their phonechargers in their car and it
plugs into the USB in their car.
So they're essentially stealingyour car with your, with your own.
Charger cable.
Like,
so then they're not even, they'renot even bring, they're not even
bringing their own USB cable.
They're just using theone that's in the car.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
That would, that would be one ofthose things that I, I would be so
excited as a kid to see it work.
Like, obviously stealing a car is wrong.
Wrecking a car, wrecking propertythat's not yours is wrong.
But to see somebody tell you that,like, Hey, this is, this can be
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done and you see it for the firsttime, like, it, it would be wild.
I would not believe that this was a thing.
Like people could start a car with a USB.
Right.
Well, and like, I wanna say maybelike five or six years before that,
it was Subarus with rake tins.
Like all you had rake tines,like a rake, like a yard rake.
The time, like the, themetal tines in the rake.
(20:34):
Mm-hmm.
You just stick it in where thekey goes, and you could start
Subarus that way, like super fast.
It makes, it makes me wonderlike, who came up with that?
Like, who had the idea oflike, Hey what I wanna,
lets, I wanna stick this rake
tie in.
Yeah.
And maybe some guys just down therelike, I'm sticking any, just randomly
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stick stuff in the ignition of Subarusuntil it started and they finally
ended up with the, with a rake.
Yeah.
Oh geez.
All right.
No, that's, that's interesting.
And then what's up withthe shooting since Easter?
You know I would, I, most of it hasreally just been kind of the wrong
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people in the wrong place at the wrongtime, which I mean, obviously is.
I mean, we could say that about anything,but for us it's just been an argument
started over something stupid forpeople that don't even know each other.
Hmm.
But maybe this person mouthed off tothe wrong juvenile who runs with a gun
They just are, they're very they're justso different than like what we're used
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to seeing where you see the gangs and theretaliation and these ones just really
aren't fitting that pattern right now.
Hmm.
So.
Alright.
Well, let's get into youranalyst badge story then.
And for those that may be newto the show, the analyst badge
story is the career defining caseor project that analyst works.
So we're going slightly goback to 2017 which is now eight
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years ago, believe it or not.
This is the case where you hadgot up and got outta the office.
Yeah.
So I went to a training and Iheard another analyst talking
about getting out of the office.
And obviously with my previousshoplifting endeavors, I definitely
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wanted to get out of the office.
Sitting at a desk is notlike the highlight of my day.
Yeah.
And so I was asked, by some ofour property crime o officers if
I would do a stop report for them.
So basically they had atracker on this guy's car.
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And if you've ever done a stopreport on a tracker for someone who's
on drugs that they can literallydrive around for days and days.
And I'm not really sure when they sleep,but so I had a list of addresses that this
guy that was a suspect in a ton of theftshe, we had a list of places that he kept
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stopping and I had been tracking this.
For a while, and the officers cameback in and they were like, Hey,
do you, do you think that you knowwhere he is taking all the stuff?
And I said, well, wehave a couple options.
They were like, all right, well let's go.
And I was like, this is so exciting.
And so they let me pick the first locationand the first location that we picked.
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I have still to this day, never been ina location with that much stolen property
Oh wow.
In it.
And so that was kind of exciting'cause I picked the right one.
So, so how did you, how did you whittleit down to the, to that location?
So we still went to a couple of theother locations, but because of, so
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on the stop report a lot of the times.
There would be a couple likeburglaries in the area of mm-hmm.
The stop report.
And then he would go to this housethat was way up north from our
city, and it was like, there wasnothing else really around it.
Mm-hmm.
And
I just felt like that would be thelocation that he would take it to,
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just because there was nothing nobodywould see him like coming and going
in the middle of the night really.
And there was a few others thatwere out and about, but he just
wasn't there as much as like.
This one seemed more of a patternas far as like these burglaries
would happen and then he would,he would go to that location.
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I gotcha.
And so we went out there, I ampretty sure there was more property
than a pawn shop, and the houseactually belonged to his parents.
Mm-hmm.
And they were, I think they werewell aware of, of what was going on.
But so when we went there, theywere very welcoming to all of us.
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Oh.
And, we ended up being outthere almost all night going
through all of this property.
Did he have it in a room?
Was it in a shed?
The garage, it
was everywhere.
Like the, the whole basement wasfull of like power tools and stereos.
Mm-hmm.
And like all different things.
The garage was full.
There was a stolenvehicle out in the yard.
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There was a shop.
There was just, it, it was literallyeverywhere through the, so it's, it's
not like the parents couldn't know.
Right.
That what was going on.
And my computer ended updying while we were out there.
I mean, we literally were out there.
It started snowing.
I don't know why all of my storieshave snow in them or ice, but it
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started snowing while we were outthere and I was like, my computer died.
'cause my job while I was out therewas running the stolen property to
see if we could connect it to owners.
Mm-hmm.
And so they ended up bringing me alltheir laptops their patrol laptops.
And so I have a photo of me withlike three patrol laptops as I'm
out there trying to run propertyon three different computers.
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To try to get through it so that we couldactually leave at some point that night.
Oh man.
That I just, I have different visionsof who I think the parents are just
like like, yeah, we knew it, but hey,we couldn't, we couldn't turn in junior.
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Sorry.
Right.
Yeah, it was, I mean, it was, they wereout in the garage like the dad and like,
I think the uncle came over 'cause itwas like, almost like cool, like, oh,
the police are here, raiding our house.
And they're, and so like, we'rein their garage running property
and like, we ended up, someoneended up bringing us out pizzas.
I mean, that's how long we were there.
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Like, it was a really long time.
And like the dad and the uncle arelike, do you guys want some beers?
And we're like, we're working like,I mean, we do want beers, but.
Oh no, that's oh man.
So, and it's always amazing tome what folks do with trackers.
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I. Around their ankles.
Right?
Oh, for sure.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Like I think they just mustnot believe they work or that
anybody's really paying attention.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know
that really anyone is, unlesslike, oh, we suspected 'em of
something, let's go back and look,
you know?
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know.
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I mean, I guess it's, I think it's thesame thing with some of those street
cameras, at least in the very beginning.
A lot of people didn't believethat the cameras worked, and then
they would be like, be caught doingsomething in front of the camera.
And we were like, why did you,did you, why did you do this
right in front of the camera?
Did you think it was face?
Yeah, it was this blue light flashinglike, like, we didn't think it worked.
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I was like, oh, okay.
So, but man, that'sinteresting to see and to.
Obviously track from, from the,from the hunting zone to Yeah.
The storage area, so yeah.
The eat, work and sleep type of thing.
. Obviously using some GPS and GIS, right?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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It was kind of the beginning of like allof us, like going out and, I mean, we,
we do a lot of field work now, mm-hmm.
As far as like propertysearch warrants and shoplift.
I go on shoplifting specials too.
And so it kind of was the beginning for meof kind of evolving what my position is.
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. I see here just this past Decemberthat you got medal of Merit for the
City of Spokane Police Department.
So what was that all about?
I did so in kind of November, Decemberwe always have an increase in package
thefts, which I think is mm-hmm.
Also normal throughout the country.
(29:44):
Mm-hmm.
As people start getting theirChristmas packages delivered.
And I would say because of thisincrease there's a lot more
like online postings as well.
Like, mm-hmm.
People are posting like, oh,this guy stole my package.
And then you'll start seeinglike, oh, I think that's the
same guy that stole my package.
(30:07):
Mm-hmm.
I had noticed a lot of the same,posts so I started looking into it.
A lot of them were north of ourcity and then there was a handful
of them that were in the city.
And so as I started looking intoit, I noticed that there was a.
A black jeep that was associatedwith all of these package thefts.
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And so I got on flock and I went througha lot of black jeeps and this one
particular was missing a right fender.
Hmm.
So that was my focus was I'mgonna find this black jeep on
flock with this missing fender.
And so I'm going through it and Ifind it to my surprise because I'm
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sure that that that's kind of like,it doesn't always happen that way.
That way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I end up finding the Jeep, sonow I have a plate for the Jeep.
So I start investigating the people thatare the registered owners of the Jeeps
kind just, do they have criminal history?
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Are they loaning their vehicle to a kid?
You know different kind of thingsto see if I can get a suspect,
like a more definite suspect.
So I had put out some of thisinformation to our agency in case
they had come across this vehicle.
And a couple of really awesomeladies that I work with they were
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investigating, like this happened likethe very night that I put it out too.
Like, everyone's like, oh, he is like,oh, everything happened so fast on tv.
And we're like, it doesn'treally happen that fast in real
life, but this kind of did.
And so that night they wereinvestigating a bicycle theft that
somebody had put a tracker on theirbicycle and they could hear the, like,
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'cause the person could make like anaudible noise with it in this garage.
So they went to this apartmentgarage and they could hear it.
So then they obviously got awarrant and got into the garage and
the black Jeep was in the garage.
Hmm.
And so we, they ended up recoveringa bunch of the stolen packages from
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some of the intel that I had puttogether for them because they had
read the flyer and, and everything.
And, I ended up actually contactinga bunch of citizens too that hadn't
called to be victims of package theft.
'cause there's a lot of people that arelike, oh, why would I call the police?
Mm-hmm.
They're not gonna do anything about it.
(32:47):
But I saw like, ring footage and eventhough we do have an account, like
sometimes people just don't check it orthey don't message us back or mm-hmm.
And so UI used Google Maps be basedon the, like radius circle from the
Ring Doorbell camera and was able tofind more victims so that we could
get their property identified as well.
(33:09):
Oh, okay.
And I ended up with, I don't wannaget this wrong, but it was like 25.
People that we were able to gettheir stuff back or something.
I mean, it's not a huge
number, but, but hey,that's, that's a big chunk.
. Yeah.
And so we were able toget their stuff back.
Some of it we actually deliveredto them, so they were like super
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happy to get their pre Christmaspresents back and everything.
And one of the moms that Ihad called, I was like, Hey,
did you have a package theft?
And she's like, yeah we, it was, webought my son a scooter and all of a
sudden in the background, I just heardhim go, like, he was just like devastated.
He was like, wait, thatwas my Christmas present.
And I was like, oh , so, itwas, it was a team effort.
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All of us received the ladiesthat found the bike and the Jeep.
, We received that medal andmerit together for going.
Above and beyond what, what ourdepartment expects of us too.
Oh, that's a good feel, good story.
I, I like it.
Yeah.
It it's a good, it's agood Christmas story.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's kind of fun
too, 'cause people will ask meabout it and, and I'll be like,
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oh, well there was this black Jeep.
And they're like, oh,saw that on Facebook.
Or like, like some friends of ours werejust like, I can't believe that was you.
And then they were like superexcited and obviously it's.
It's just nice to actuallyget people's stuff back.
And really, we got a lot of peoplewere getting on Facebook and social
media and being like, the policedepartment contacted me about my
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stolen package and so anytime thatwe can, we can get, get good news.
You good things take it, right?
Yeah, yeah, totally.
That's
definitely, it sounds likethere's a lot of winds there.
And, and of course you arealso dawning again in the snow.
Yes, yes.
Again,
in the snow.
I must work better in the snow.
(35:03):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, hey, it's, it's probably snowingthere half the year, so it's not like,
all right, good., So let's, I'm
distracted by the sunlight.
One of the things that we got talkingabout in your prep call the concept that
we hear from time to time and talking withother analysts about how do I, how do I be
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utilized or what I'm, I'm having analystsmay be struggling with how do they.
Tell the department or tell theirmanager how to utilize them.
And so you, you were telling me thestory, so I wanted to give you the floor
and just talk a little bit about that,about establishing, being utilized,
and maybe we can even get into someadvice that you have for listeners.
(35:49):
Yeah.
So,
I feel like at conferences.
We hear that a lot of I just dunno whatto do to be utilized and I definitely,
like, my biggest thing is know your cops.
And I, I don't know if it's weird,but I always call them my cops.
I don't know why, butthey're my cops and yeah.
(36:09):
So know your cops andknow what drives them.
So like they're all different, right?
And some of them are really greatat remembering stolen vehicles and
they like to do stolen vehicles andsome of 'em are really great at.
You know identifying different juvenilesthat are creating problems in the area.
And I feel like when you help themand you know what drives them and
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you're helping them you like thathelps them come to you and trust you.
You're not just like aname on an email to them.
And that's kind of like mybig thing is ridealongs.
I know that's not really foreveryone, but I do ridealongs.
Every couple of months andI try to do all shifts.
(36:56):
So if I did a day shift, one monthin a couple months, I'm gonna do a
graveyard shift and I'm gonna get toknow everybody so that they know me and
that they're not like, oh, this lady,she emails me all the time and I don't
know I don't know her, so I am not,why would I send information to her?
(37:18):
But if they are familiar with whatyou do, what you can provide them,
they're also likely to help provideyou with information as well.
So I'll get to know them and I havethem come into my office now and
they're like, Hey, I was at this houseand they were telling me blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, because they knewthat I was working on something in that
(37:39):
neighborhood and they knew it would beuseful because we've talked about that.
Because when you do a ride along, notonly are you riding with one officer,
but then you're sitting at lunch withthe entire team, and then you're sitting
at roll call also with the entire team.
Like I said, not not everybodyis up to having a ride along.
And I was kind of tellingyou the story mm-hmm.
(38:01):
About how one of my captains placedme with an officer to do a ride along.
He's like, oh, he's great.
You're gonna, you guys are gonna do great.
And as we're walking out to thecar, he tells me in more or less
words that he's not a fan of my job.
And what I do.
And I was thinking to myselflike, oh goodness, this is gonna
(38:21):
be a long 10 hours together.
And so I was like, all right, all right.
And we ended up on a call that eveningwith a bunch of juveniles that I knew
from previous cases and he did not know.
They wouldn't tell him whohe, who they were, they.
They didn't have tattoos or anything,you couldn't do a tattoo search
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because they're just little kids.
And they were associated with a vehicle.
And I was able to give him the names andaddresses of all the juveniles that were
there, and also give him a flyer fromanother agency where they actually were
able to tow the vehicle for evidence in abunch of crimes that these juveniles, it
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had to do with like mailbox smashing andlike property damage and stuff like that.
And they were actuallyable to tow the vehicle.
And so after that moment I felt like hewas like, kind of ate his words a little
bit and was like, oh, you do know whatyou're talking about and, , we had a
great rest of the night together and he's,
(39:25):
a great cop and we work well together now.
And so it's just kind of like theyget to know that you, that you do
know, that you, that you have aplace here and that you that you
know what you're, what you're doing.
And, and so I just think that it'sreally important to get to know them.
Mm-hmm.
Like I said, and, and just knowwhen what each of them are good for.
(39:46):
You guys can work on projectstogether then they end up also
taking you along a lot of the time.
'cause they're like, oh yeah,we worked on this together.
I'm gonna go out on this today.
You wanna go?
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So.
So
my, my vision that I have in my headand I don't know, did, did you watch
the movie Thor, Ragnarok, by chance?
My, my kids are gonna hateme right now, but I did not.
(40:10):
Well, I, I, I'll tell the story and thenyou can relay it back to back to them.
Okay.
But there's this part in themovie where Thor is, is going
to fa have to battle this.
This big monster that he doesn't now.
And then he sees it's anincredible Hulk and he gets all
excited, like, yes, yes, yes.
(40:30):
And he looks like, and he, there'sa part that I think was it actually
was put in for the Make-A-Wishproject where there was a Make-A-Wish
person there on set the one day.
And he said that he, he is just like, heThor should say, I know him from work and.
And so that's the line.
They ad lib that line a little bit islike, he's all excited to see Hulk.
(40:51):
'cause he recognizes Hulk and thensays, oh, I know him from work.
And so I envision when you, when you'reon this ride along and you see these kids
that you're like, oh yes, I know them.
Like I can help.
Yes I can, I can, I can contribute.
Right?
It's right.
I can imagine.
I was the excitement.
Very excited.
I was like, oh, oh me my turn.
(41:14):
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
No, that's, that's good.
As opposed to like, the other thingis like, if you didn't know them and
there was nothing you could do andthere was, it was just a long 10 hours,
right?
Yes.
Yeah.
Fortunately that went, that went exactly.
I think maybe my captain knewthat that was gonna happen.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
That's, that's a great, great story.
(41:35):
Why we're at it, just let's talkabout advice for our listeners.
So in terms of new analyst, experiencedanalyst, maybe a return on investment.
What's something that somebodycan study now that's gonna be
important from five years from now?
Any, any advice for our listeners?
I would say like something that I think'sreally important is know your trends.
(41:58):
Like, know your area, like if youhave reoccurring every year, like,
so we have a college in Spokane.
Mm-hmm.
And it's.
Every winter the kids all leave, right?
Mm-hmm.
They go home for the winter, for Christmasbreak and residential burglaries go up.
And this was a thing for, for awhile, and it kind of was like,
(42:19):
Hey, why don't we do a special.
During this timeframefor residential burglary.
And the first year that we put itin place we caught a guy in doing
a residential burglary there.
And now every year we putthat special in place.
And so like I said, when I trainmy captains when they come in, I'm
(42:42):
like, Hey, so we have to do thisresidential burglary special and
they're like, oh, well the last twoyears there hasn't been any residential
burglaries in this neighborhood.
And I'm like, yes.
And that is because we're flooding thearea with police and we're allowing the
campus security to know this as well.
And, and it kind of goes forlike different events that
(43:04):
you have as well in your city.
We have a big basketball thingat one of, at our arena here.
And when I.
When I first started doing this, theywere really big on like, we gotta make
sure that we're we're good on all thevehicle prowling in the parking lot.
And then I realized like all thevehicle, there were no vehicle
(43:26):
prowling in the parking lot.
All the vehicle prowling were at thearea hotels while everyone was gone.
Mm.
And I'm like, so now every yearwe have these specials at the area
hotels and we were pretty muchable this year to eliminate vehicle
prowling at all of those hotels.
Nice.
(43:46):
And so I think it's just really importantto know these trends so that every year.
You can, you can be like, Hey,this is for this weekend only,
we need to focus on this.
And this is really important.
And I think if you know that thathelps you look like you know your area
and when you, obviously, if you candrive crime down in an area that's
(44:10):
traditionally plagued with vehicleprowls or residential burglaries,
that's gonna be good for everybody.
So, yeah.
Very good.
That a great story.
Let's talk about NORCAN now, 'causeas I mentioned in your intro, you're
former board member, you're mm-hmm.
Former VP of membership and the Yeah.
Nor just recently had their biannualconference here at the end of April.
(44:33):
Mm-hmm.
So I thought, let's just talk alittle bit about nor and how the
conference went, and just some ofyour perspective , of the network.
Yeah.
So I love Narcan, so I'm gladthat we're talking about it.
I have met some really awesome analysts.
Like my favorite thing aboutit is just the networking.
(44:56):
Mm-hmm.
That we get to do when we're all together.
It would be.
Even more awesome if we couldget together once a year.
But it's a lot of work to put on aconference, so, and it, I mean, we
pretty much start working on the nextconference not long after one gets done.
Mm-hmm.
And it's two, it's two years out.
So we just had a conference in HoodRiver, Oregon which is, if you've
(45:20):
never been, it's very beautiful.
It's right on the Columbia River andwe were blessed with sunshine all week.
So,
so that was great.
Where traditionally thereyou'd probably get more rain.
I don't know that it snows.
Mm-hmm.
Too much there on the Columbia River.
Mm-hmm.
I would say probably more rain,but yeah, we didn't, it was we
(45:44):
we just had beautiful weather.
We had a lot of people from all over thecountry actually doing presentations.
We had some people from Milwaukee andNew York, and so you'd fly into Portland,
Oregon and then drive east a little waysand, and you pass a beautiful waterfall.
And I even convinced some ofthem to maybe skip a couple
hours and go hike the waterfall.
(46:07):
And they were just.
It was just such a beautiful area.
Everyone had such a great time.
We got so many compliments and Ireally credit a lot of that just to the
scenery and like when you feel good,I feel like everything else around you
is gonna be, is gonna be pretty good.
And, and I had one guy talking to meabout, he's like, this is probably one
(46:32):
of the best conferences I've been to.
And he was really excited about the factthat analysts talk about analyst stuff.
Mm-hmm.
After the conference is over, like wecan all nerd out together on whatever
analyst topic we wanna talk about.
And he is like, I've been tothese conference and nobody wants
to talk about any of this stuff.
And so I was like,
(46:52):
well, yeah, no, I, it's funny.
I just realize that.
I think people don't understand Whenyou're from an area of the country
where you have a lot of cloudy days,the fact that you get a week worth
of sunshine is a really big deal.
(47:12):
I'm from Northwestern Pennsylvania andI know there's always a stat that all
my relatives say or something like Ithink, I think it's the most cloudiest
days east of the Mississippi so I reallyhave this appreciation for those that
have so many cloudy days and then , youget this break in the weather and you
have all the sunshine and it's, itmakes me really appreciate the sunshine
(47:35):
now that I'm down here in Florida.
Yes.
Yeah.
, It's definitely a blessing.
We all like walked, we had a anetworking night at a brewery down
the way a little bit, and like ahandful of people like walked to
it because they're all like, yay.
I mean, 'cause we're all the,the majority of Narcan members
are from Washington state.
(47:55):
It does, we do have membersin Oregon Montana, Idaho other
areas in the Pacific Northwest.
But it's definitely, you couldtell everybody was definitely
enjoying the sunshine.
'cause they're like, I'm walking.
So
, How many attendees didyou have approximately?
I believe we were at about 85.
(48:16):
. , That's about like what we hope for.
So
yeah, I just I just got donewith my first, I. Carolina Crime
Analysis Association Conference.
Okay.
, That had about a hundred.
So that's, I think that's, that's, I thinkthat's typical for regional associations.
From my vantage point, it was interestingbeing at a smaller conference.
(48:36):
'cause that was my fir wellno, it wasn't my first, it was
my only, my second regionalconference that I've ever been to.
And so it was, it it is, it isa little bit of different vibe,
but yeah, it's just as good.
And there's so, so much as yousaid, nerding out talking and
shop getting to know people andseeing old faces and new faces.
It's, it's a lot of fun.
(48:57):
Yeah, it's super, it's, it's supergreat to connect with everyone and,
and meet new people and also see peoplethat you haven't seen in a while.
You might talk to them oremail them occasionally, but,
but that's super great.
All right.
Did they announce when the next one is?
They did not announce it,but we do it every two years.
(49:21):
So it'll be in April of 27.
Yeah.
But they, they don't have the site yet?
No.
We usually the past couple years have donelike a poll and asked people like, where
would you like to see the next conference?
So two years ago we were in Boise Idaho.
And then, which is a beautiful place.
(49:43):
Mm-hmm.
And the police chief told us not to tellanyone how beautiful and clean it was
there, but I am gonna tell everybody.
And then, hood River.
Hood River was awesome as well in, inOregon and I know a lot of analysts
want it to come back to Spokane.
I kind of like getting away 'cause Idon't have the rest of the distractions
(50:05):
that are in my life, whereas ifthere's a conference here, I still
gotta take care of everything else.
So I kinda like it away, but Iunderstand like why they like it here,
so that, that could be a possibility.
So we'll just have to see.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, very good.
Well let's finish up with personalinterest then, for you, you.
(50:26):
I talked about your kids already,you're a band mom and Yep.
A mom for a competitive dancer.
Yes.
Yes I am.
It keeps me very busy.
So when I'm not here actuallytonight we're getting ready
for our annual lilac parade.
So I have parade practice, so Ichaperone teenagers marching through
(50:47):
a neighborhood and we have to likestand in front of streets so that
they don't get hit by cars, I guess.
And so we have parade practice tonight'cause we're getting ready for our,
our lilac parade here in Spokane.
And but yeah, that keeps me really busy.
We've been to Californiaa couple times for band.
They're headed to Florida.
Next April.
(51:09):
And then my youngest one who is six,just started competitive dance this year,
and that keeps me very busy as well.
Oh man.
So, and she has a dance competitionthis weekend, so we just, every
weekend it's, it's something.
Oh man.
As a parent, is there one.
(51:30):
That's more annoying than the other interms of band or competitive dancing?
No.
The only part of band that I find annoyingis like when you go in, like I've, I've
helped them do like uniform fittings.
Mm-hmm.
And you've got 50 kids playingdifferent instruments and I don't
even know what they're playing.
(51:50):
They're not like playing together,they're just blowing on their instruments
because it's in front of their face.
Yeah.
And I
just always look at the bandteacher and I'm like, what?
How do you do this every day?
Yeah.
Like,
I don't, I, that part is the onlylike an, I guess, annoying part.
But yeah, it's definitely and I,I use a lot of my vacation time
(52:13):
to chaperone their band trips.
'cause they're usually during theschool year and, and yeah, so it's.
It's a, it's a whole notherfull-time job in itself.
Yeah.
And I feel with both of those, , it'sprobably not encouraged that
you're a very loud spectator.
Right.
Like, there's not, like you're,it's not like a maybe a morning
(52:35):
event where you're yelling andcheering for, for the participants.
Something like band orcompetitive dancing.
You just you're just sitting back andchilling and , watching it all play out.
So that's what I would think.
But we were at a dance competitionthis year and people are
like hooping and hollering.
Oh, okay.
Like during the performance andlike, like if they do this cool
(52:57):
dance move, like people are yellingand screaming and You got it girl.
And I'm just like, oh my gosh.
Like it was.
Yeah, so I am, I am not that parentthough, and so that's kind of weird for me
for sure.
Yeah.
No, yeah.
Our, our 13-year-old daughterplays volleyball, and my wife
(53:18):
and I are very different and my,it is funny that my daughter.
Pointed it out to us like, they'relike, mom's way louder than dad.
Like, dad, I don't even,I don't even hear 'em.
Like, and I, and I'm not, , I'm obviouslyin it and I'm invested in it, and I
know what she's supposed to be doing,so I'm like I, I get into it that way in
terms of trying to make the point and,and all that she's trying to do, but.
(53:41):
Yeah, and my wife's way more in, interms of encouraging, in terms of
yelling and all that other stuff.
But it's
my husband coaches high schoolbasketball and I would say I
am more vocal at that Yeah.
Than, , the other ones.
So,
, And he's not
even out there playing.
Yeah.
Very good.
All right, so our last segment to the showis Words to the World, and this is where
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you can promote any idea that you wish.
What are your words to the world?
My words to the world are that eventhough we work in a place where
it seems like there's a lot ofnegative things around us as far as.
The people that we deal with, thereare still a lot of really good people
(54:27):
out there and I feel like never give uphope or expectations that people will
do the right thing or be good people.
I just, I guess I'm still always surprisedsometimes when I hear things, even though
I've been doing this job for a while.
But I credit that to not givingup hope that there are a lot
(54:51):
of good people out there still.
Very good.
Well, I leave every guestwith you giving me just enough
to talk bad about you later,
but
I do appreciate youbeing on the show, Jamie.
Thank you so much.
And you be safe.
Thank you.
You too.
Thank you for making it tothe end of another episode of
Analyst Talk with Jason Elder.
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