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Deep Dive, open Secrets with Jan Mondale.
Jan. . How we doing?
I'm doing really well.
How are you?
I am doing very well.
How is the Pacific Northwest these days?
Yeah.
Pacific Northwest is well.
Near Seattle.
It's very beautiful at this pointin time, but we've also got some
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wildfires over on the Olympic Peninsulathat are making it a little smoky.
All right.
Ooh.
And
so, but other than that,how are things in Florida?
Well, we are less hot.
Which is a, a nice relief becausefor about a month there, it was
like 90 degrees with like a hundredpercent humidity and it was awful.
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But now it's just like 86 degreesand a lot slightly less humidity.
But yeah, so, but it's.
Not as bad, but it's still hot.
That's not good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, but hey it'll, it'll change insix months or whatever it is, and then
not be as hot or cold or whatever itis., In Tallahassee, which is more
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Georgia weather than anything else.
It's, we actually get a littlebit of the weather change.
So it, it it's not this constant.
Temperature year round.
So, alright, so this is open secretswhere we go over tips and tricks
for osint, open source intelligence.
And so what are we talking about today?
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We're talking about organizing yourdata for investigations and I was
going over some of my notes from anold open source intelligence class
that I took with the SANS Institute sa.
S that's how I say it.
Other people probably havedifferent pronunciations anyway.
And, and that one of the parts of thepresentation talked about organizing
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your information, your, your bookmarks,your note, all kinds of things.
And one of the ways.
That I've done, even beforeI took the sciences class, I
was using a an application.
I'm not sure if youcall it an application.
Start Me.
So if you put, start me into asearch browser and it will, it
will open up a link to start me.
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It's, it's a way of making your ownpersonalized webpage and you can put.
Whatever you want on that webpage.
A lot of Osint practitioners use it.
In fact, start page itself has awhole separate gallery that you can
link to from, its sign-in page whereyou can look at what other Osint
practitioners have created as far astheir own personal bookmarks, notes
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tutorials, all kinds of things like that.
You can keep your pages on,start Me Private, or you
can share them with a team.
You don't have to pay, my little pagethat I kind of keep up with every now
and then when I have time is, is free.
I don't, I don't pay for it.
You can pay for it and get a proplan and it'll allow you to do a
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lot more cute things with your page.
Collaborate with morepeople, all kinds of things.
But there are ways to share the linkto your page and, and not pay for it.
So.
Just by sharing the link.
So in my show notes on, let's see here,about the, it's hard to tell, but because
of the URL that you're given, when youcreate your own page, doesn't have your
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name on it, unless, I guess you couldprobably have it put your name on it.
But for example, about the thirdpage down on the show notes is a
page called Osint General Websites.
That's my.
Little Handmade start Me page.
If you click on that link in the shownotes, it, it'll take you to Janice
Mondale's Zen and General Websites page.
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I'll admit I createdthis several years ago.
I don't know how up to date itis, but I was checking some of the
cool things on it earlier today.
One of the things that I liked thatI've seen on other people's pages
is when you, I live in the state ofWashington, so I like to know what's
going on in the state of Washington, because I worked in the Fusion Center,
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we would get like threat reportsabout dams and or, or airport
webcams and things like that.
And I have a whole infrastructureinformation tab with just things,
links to things like airport webcamsand Google Earth is right there.
I don't have to, I, I can obviously justtype in Google Earth, but it's right
there in that infrastructure information.
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Box on my start page.
But as you start off with start page,you do a smarter way to start and it,
and it help you set up your own page.
It'll show you whatgalleries of other people's.
Websites just so you can seewhat other people have done.
I, I just really like it.
And a and a lot of osintpractitioners like it too.
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In fact, the Osint page Gallery has 67examples of other osint practitioners
start pages or start me pages.
So the, the nice thing is thatit allows you, that is I think
it's the second thing on my Yes.
The second link on.
The show notes is Start Me Pages intslash osint and that's the gallery of the
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67 other Google Practitioners web pages.
Yeah, or Start.
Start Me pages.
And then the third one is mine.
The, the other ones that are start meones are other ones that I really like.
The one that's the Osint resources,it's the one just past mine, so
it would be the fifth one down.
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I should probably numberthese, or fourth one down.
That is the Osint Start Me page from.
The sons class that I took, thatI got the idea for even doing this
part of the, this show based on that.
And then that one, it looks likehe's keeping it pretty up to date.
Can't guarantee that he has, butthe instructor for that class is
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really good and, and he's got.
Everything that you can imagine in there.
And it, and in a lot of peoplewhen they make these, they have
a little box explaining what, forexample, this one says, read me.
Most of these resources arefree, paid resource are resources
are indicated by a dollar sign.
You should always practice appropriateopsec, but we've tried to label riskier
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resources with a bang, so an exclamationpoint, and, and they put a disclaimer.
I should put a disclaimer on mine too.
We are not liable for any negativeconsequences of using these resources,
including but not limited to, criminalprosecution, lawsuits, technical problems.
Or mental consequences ofviewing offensive materials.
Mm-hmm.
So I should probably add that,that little disclaimer to mine.
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Not everyone has that so anyway, I likethe way this person has organized it.
He organized it as specificallyfor an osint class.
So it's, it has the kinds of informationor the kind of resources that you
would use if you were doing investigates and investigations and then.
He also same guy has aseparate start me page.
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That's the Nix Intel OsintResource Resource list.
That would be right after osint 500 tools.
Nix Intel Osint resource list onthe show notes, the osint 500 tools.
Just another really good resource.
I, I really like the Sarah Osintone, which is the next to the
last link on the show notes.
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I really like hers because she organizesher tabs into sub sub tabs, so it's
really interesting to look at hers.
Yeah, it's.
She's kind of got a, a differentkind of a background in everything.
Mm-hmm.
But if you look at some of hertabs, for example, under government,
she has a tab link for courtrecords, voter records, license
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plates, and vehicle identification.
And I just, I, I really like the extraeffort she went into, she or he, they
went into to organize their informationeven more thoroughly than I do in mine.
Or, or anybody else that I've seen.
So it's just a, a really good example.
She's got some good sources in here andit's a good example of organization.
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Yeah.
So this reminds me of a betterway to keep your bookmarks.
Right, because you have over time,you use a browser, you save certain
links in a bookmark and you might put'em in different folders, and it might
be in Windows Explorer where you cansave all of them and keep 'em forever.
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And as you switchcomputers, you can navigate.
Them that way.
But this is definitely a wayto organize all your links in a
way more visual, friendly way.
I would say that's the how, for thosethat are just listening to this podcast
and not seeing what we're looking at.
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And again, we will put all the linksthat, we just mentioned in the show
notes, so you can go through yourselfand, see what, we're referring to here.
But it reminds me a little bit ofPinterest mixed in with your brow
saving your bookmarks on your browser.
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And for those that are old enough, even.
MySpace.
So that's, that's the vibe thatI'm getting from this, start me.
So it's, interesting and it's, there'sso much information here to go through.
This is, this is a great tool.
The
one that's marked 500 tools,oz plus 500 tools it's.
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Right, right at the, I really likethe way he's got his organized too.
He's got a time, a worldclock, right at the, his fir.
One of his first taps is a world clock.
So I can see that now.
It's 1352 my time.
And in New York time, which I guessis what Florida's in, it's 1652.
It's just kind of easy.
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To, to see that.
But underneath that box, he's gota whole list of other start me
pages that, so that he's just.
Curated for you OtherPeople's Start Me pages.
Which brings me to the last tab or thelast link on, on the show notes anyway,
which is called, it's a GitHub link.
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I just wanna put it out therebecause Start Me is great.
But there are other ways.
You mentioned Reddit.
There's lists of lists ofosint resources on Reddit.
Mm-hmm.
There's,
you can create a spreadsheet andhave all of your stuff organized in
a spreadsheet just for your own useand, and not worry about dealing
with a webpage and everything.
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You can have.
Microsoft teams or something like that,some kind of of shared space in your
office, workspace, whatever you use.
Microsoft Teams or Google.
Google Office or whatever you use.
You could have shared places there too.
This is just one that I've liked foryears and I especially like it because
other osint practitioners use it andI can get really good ideas from them.
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The last one on the show notes is a GitHubpage, and the reason I really highly
recommend that you check this out when youhave a chance to look at the show notes is
because he keeps this really up to date.
It's a GitHub page so otherpeople can comment on it, but
he, he goes in and make changes.
The most recent change was todaywhen I opened it earlier and.
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It's ki, if you aren't familiarwith GitHub pages, they're us.
They aren't like prettygraphics or anything.
Not like the Start Me pages.
It's just a list.
And under Table of Contents is alist of all of the different type
of search tools that he woulduse for open source resources.
And like I said, he keepsit really up to date.
Like you'll see things on otherPeople's Start Me pages that
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still refer to Twitter as Twitter.
Mm-hmm.
That's pretty out of date, right?
Mm-hmm.
I still call it Twitter, but I think
most people do.
Yeah, most people do.
But I mean, that's just an exampleof how it might not be as up to date.
Mm-hmm., As something on thisGitHub page, he really works hard
and he's got over 182 contributors.
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That are always putting stuff inthere and if there's, it's kind of
like a Wikipedia page, people canput stuff in there, but if it's not
right, people can take it out too.
So,
okay.
So this is more like group, groupcollaboration over the start Me.
Right.
Right.
I see.
I just like it because thestart me, like I said, it can
be a little bit out of date.
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Mm-hmm.
Whereas if you really want somethingup to date that's kept, that's curated.
Pretty much on a daily basis, this GitHubpage say Javo, J-I-V-O-I slash awesome
Osint, and it's a public GitHub page.
I've never made any contributionsto it 'cause I, I'm too scared.
I'd mess it up.
I, but I really like it.
I, I especially likethat it's so up to date.
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Yeah.
Well, I'm sure you would have somethingto contribute in the osint realm.
So , I think that the nicething about this, either the
start me or even the GitHub.
Is that these are online and so you canrefer to them whether you're on your
phone, on your personal computer, on yourwork computer, or if you're away from the
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office and just have access to a computer.
So it's, it's nice that you wouldhave access to all this information
and don't necessarily have to worryabout it being on a computer that you
may not have access to at the time.
Exactly.
I definitely do like the ideaof collaboration keeping things
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fresh and exchanging ideas.
That is a really cool concept forthe GitHub and I think the Start
Me is, has a lot of potential aswell, just to keep your information.
Organized and your tools organized, andas you start going through and developing
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your recipes as you are investigatingdifferent targets versus places or things
.That'll help the Osint analyst or any
analyst for that matter, use open source
and just to go through and developtheir recipes as they search various
websites that they have access to.
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Right.
In fact, under.
The Start Me Gallery page.
Other types , of analystsare catered to as well.
AI tools and coding.
There's a whole gallery for that.
Business and productivity.
There's a page gallery for that.
Cybersecurity personal link collection.
So like say you just really like tomake lists of web pages or bookmarks.
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There's a gallery giving youideas for how to do that.
For example, one of the personallinkage is general cat sites
for people who love cats.
I guess
there's
one for Iceland information.
So I mean, it, it doesn't have tobe a criminal investigator or an
investigator, it can be anybody who'sinterested in creating their own cool
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looking page of things that, thatwill help them either organize their
information or create tutorials.
There's 25 pages on the page Galleryfor students and teachers with all
kinds of different ideas for, forcreating pages for students or teachers.
So it's, it's just kind of cool.
Mm-hmm.
You might even potentially use it.
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Although, like I said, since namesaren't necessarily part of it, e except
if you actually add it to your webpagename, like my name Janice Mondale, until
you go to my page, you can't see that.
But you might be able to useit for people searches too.
I mean, if you were lookingto see back, let me try a, a
search just outta curiosity.
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Ah,
I found me, but notnecessarily my start page.
Mm-hmm.
Wait.
I didn't do it quite rightdidn't match any documents
when I did it as a site search.
When I did start me without it beinga site search, it of course found my
medium articles and things like that.
So I keep myself out there becauseI like to practice on myself.
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But yeah, it didn't find my start me page.
It looks like it only found things.
On the web that have my name in them.
Denise Mondale spelled right.
'cause if you don't spell it right,it's gonna find weird people.
Anyway,
yeah, no, this, thishas a lot of potential.
I would say give yourself agood hour to browse around.
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These links because this will, there isa lot of information here and before you
know it, an hour is gonna go by easilyas you are just going through and and
browsing around these different sites.
Oh,
yeah.
So it's definitely a rabbit hole.
Yes.
Yes.
But I think it has the potentialto really have some great returns.
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So highly recommend.
Exploring Start Me and GitHub.
And again, we will put in the shownotes on the website, all the different
links the listeners, if you use StartMe or GitHub or used it in different
way than the way we've describedsend us a message, put in a comment
below where you, where we have the.
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Podcast posted 'cause we'd certainlywe're just scratching the surface and
what this could be used for in Osint.
I'm sure there's a huge valley ofinformation for other uses for this.
So, let us know , how you have usedthis information, or if there's
even additional links that weshould beef up or start me with.
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Yes, I'd really appreciatehearing from everybody.
All right.
, Jan, , we'll give you the last word.
Any some final thoughts on this topic?
Well, as you can tell, there's justa ton of stuff out there about Osint.
This is just, as Jason said,scratching the surface.
What's out there?
I mean, we've got other osintpractitioners like Mike, Michael, basil,
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and just a, a wealth of people out there.
The OSINT Academy, osmosis Academy, all ofthose people have similar tools to this.
And just go out there and explore.
See what else you can find.
That's all I have.
All right.
Well, very good.
It's always great catching up with you,
Until next time Jan, thank you forthe open secret and you be safe.
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