Bonus episode: The Disappearance of Amy Bradley

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
I'm Tina and I'm Rich. If there's one thing we've
learned and over twenty years of marriage, it's.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
That some days you'll feel like killing your wife.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
And some days you'll feel like killing your husband.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to a bonus episode of Love Mary Kill, Hey Rich,
Hey Tina, how are you?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm fabulous. How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
You didn't you sounded a little tired there?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
No, I'm fabulous.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Okay, good. I'm a little under the weather today. But
this has been kicking around for a while, this case,
and I thought I was gonna be a quick and
easy one, but I keep adding to it every day.
I keep, you know, doing research.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
As you do.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
So yeah, so I had to I had to call it.
So we are recording this episode. We're a little late
to this case. I started doing this when the documentary
came out on Netflix. Amy Bradley is miss saying but
that we went on vacation and then Betty Broderick took forever.
So anyway, story short, we're getting to it today. I

(01:08):
know a lot of our podcast friends have already done
this episode, So if you don't want to listen, that's okay.
I totally understand.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Not okay with me, But okay, everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Has to listen to this one. Probably we've probably already
lost some people, could be I'm going to ask you
a question that I know the answer to. But have
you ever been out a cruise before?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I have not.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Neither have I. We've done boat rides before, tourist type.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Things, but never on a cruise.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Dinner cruise a couple of times, things like that, but.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
But never a like a multi day cruise off of
Port of Iarta or love boat type cruise.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Would you want to take a cruise?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
You know, I think I would enjoy it, To be
honest with you, I've heard so many horror stories about
cruises that it's a little bit scary, But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
I think I would enjoy just the relaxed nature of
a crew.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
I know how relaxing it is.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Really.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
There's thousands of people. It's like a floating village. They say,
these the ships just keep getting bigger and bigger. Just
this week. Actually, the largest cruise ship in the world
today is Royal Caribbean's Icon of the Seas, joined by
her sister Star of the Seas, and that's the one
that took her maiden voyage this week and nearly twelve
hundred feet long and weighing in it more than two

(02:25):
hundred and forty eight thousand gross tons, she's essentially a
floating city. The ship carries over seven thousand guests and
more than two thousand crew spread across twenty decks. It's enormous,
it really is. Yeah, And I'm sure there's places where
you can find some peace and quiet, but it just
sounds like it's probably really busy. Yeah, and you know,

(02:47):
whenever you go to food get food, there's probably a
lot of other Yeah, that.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Doesn't sound that appealing.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
And actually, like eating dinner with a bunch of strangers
doesn't sound very appealing to me.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I think that would be kind of fun. Yeah, yeah,
but it is that these cruise ships have so many attractions.
There's ice rinks, there's like you can see like the
ice capades there, and there's plays and acrobatic shows, magic shows.
You can we have the biggest water park at sea
on this new ship. I mean, mini golf, you can.

(03:18):
You can do it all, and it is pretty cool
that it's all kind of right there, and then you
get to stop off at the port cities. But I
will ask you, when I'm done telling you about Ammy
Amy Bradley's story, if you would take a cruise. Curious
if your physician will change. Also this week in Turkey
of a new, brand new, one million dollar yacht capsize.

(03:42):
Just did you see that? Just two hundred meters into
her maiden voyage. It's called the doulce Vento. She was
eighty feet long. There gratefully were no casualties, but you
saw that. That was crazy. I felt so bad for
the owner of that ship. Just it almost instantly you
could tell the sooner does it got into the water
like no one had checked to see if she'd float,

(04:04):
and Kenny.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Probably lost their job over that one. I would think, Well, what.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I read online was a million dollars for a ship
that large is dirt cheap? Yeah, so I know it
sounds super expensive and it.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Is cut some corners and the exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Probably should have been I don't know if you could
afford a Yeah, you should probably pay more than a
million dollars. Even though this is a bonus episode. I
made you a snack. I'm really proud of you because
these came out of the oven probably an hour and
a half ago, and you have not touched them, and
I did leave them on the.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Amazing Self Control. I don't know why you would be surprised.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
About that listener, but might not be true last week. Sorry,
I know we're probably going along, but I'm gonna just
tell this funny story. You saw the oreos reesis what
do you call it? Collaboration, and you were really excited,
and I was like, Honey, I love you. I am
going to get those for you. I went to three

(05:00):
different stories and I'm like, honey, I'm sory. I failed you.
I felt really bad, but you went and found them
and I haven't seen them since.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
One of those things that you want something done right,
you gotta do ityl.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Where did they go though? I haven't seen them there?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
They went into my tummytage. I might have finished them
earlier today when I was having self control about not
eating your cookies on the counter.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Because you're telling me was full full of cookies already.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Baby.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Oh he makes me laugh. Okay, Well, here is my
favorite brown butter chocolate chip cookie. I put Eminem's in them,
so they're folish.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
All colors, some orange Eminem's nice.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yes, well they're brown Eminem's too. But you can't see them.
All right, try one.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
I sure do.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Rate my cookie ten out of ten excellent.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
As always, you can only pack one cookie to go
on the crew ruise ship. There's no cookies on the
cruise ship. Do you take the oreo Reese's cookies or
do you take my chocolate?

Speaker 1 (06:06):
No, definitely your chocolative. Oh okay, yeah, well, I mean
the oreos are good. Even regular oreos like double stuff
are good, but they're not They don't compare it to
your homemade brown buttered chocolate chip cookies.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, but how did you feel about the Reese's oreos?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
They were good, but I think I would take regular
oreos over the Reese's ones.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
When you first opened the package, you were really disappointed.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Well, they weren't you. I didn't have quake.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
You're like click, honey, and you took you scraped.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
I made my own major.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yes, because you are an entrepreneur.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
That's right, I'm an innovator.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
In the early morning hours of March twenty fourth, nineteen
ninety eight, as Royal Caribbean's newest showstopper, Rhapsody of the Seas,
glided quietly through the dark vast ocean, nearing the shores
of Ciasaw, the first streaks of sunlight broke across the horizon.
Inside the craw of room eight five six four, Ron
and Iva Bradley slept alongside their twenty one year old

(07:06):
son Brad. Ron startled awake at six am for reasons
he's never been able to explain. His wife dozed next
to him, and he could just make out Brad's shape
on the pullout sofa in the dim light. But he
wondered where was his twenty three year old daughter Amy.
He peeked out onto the balcony and spotted only her sandals,
sitting beneath the chair where he had last seen her,

(07:29):
staring out at the endless sea. Believing that she had
gone to watch the sunrise, Ron rose from bed and
decided to join her. He searched the ship, but Amy
was nowhere to be found. What began as an ordinary
morning soon dissolved into a nightmare, a mystery that would
haunt Iva, Ron and brad for the next twenty seven years.

(07:51):
So you have not watched the Netflix documentary, No, and
you don't know anything about this case.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
No, I know nothing about it.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I do know a lot of bad things happen on
cruise ship, so it is a scary thought.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
There are larger, more impressive boats today. But when Royal
Caribbeans Rhapsody of the Seas launched in May nineteen ninety seven,
it was considered one of the most impressive luxurious cruise
ships of its time. Spanning nine hundred feet long, one
hundred feet wide and eleven stories tall, it was among
the largest vessels in the fleet. The Rhapsody had capacity

(08:25):
for over two thousand passengers and nearly eight hundred crew members.
The ship had a variety of dining options, casual, formal,
and of course endless all you can eat buffets that
cruises are famous for. There was a nightclub, Calypso Disco,
where guests could drink and dance the night away, a
small casino of rock climbing wall, six whirlpools and two

(08:47):
swimming pools. The Rhapsody of the Seas has since been
refurbished and still sails today. In the nineteen nineties, cruise
ships weren't as safe and monitored as they are today.
Security was lax. There were few, if any security cameras,
and protocols weren't yet in place to deal with the
dangers of unregulated international waters or a missing guest. Amy

(09:11):
Lan Bradley was born on May twelfth, nineteen seventy four,
to Ron and Iva Bradley in Petersburg, Virginia. Petersburg is
a mid sized independent city in the southeastern part of
the state, about twenty five miles south of Richmond, known
for its significance during the Civil War and its diverse population.
Amy has one sibling, a brother named Ronald Junior, also

(09:33):
known as Brad, three years her junior. I think a
lot of people don't realize that Brad is a nickname,
and a lot of you know Brad Bradley, who names
their kid Brad Bradley, but who is actually named after
his dad. Sports were a big part of Amy's childhood.
She excelled at every sport she played volleyball, basketball, softball, soccer,
and swimming. She lettered in all five sports in high school.

(09:58):
Amy was a very strong swimmer, even working as a
swim teacher and lifeguard. She graduated from Longwood College in Farmville,
Virginia in nineteen ninety six, where she was on a
full basketball scholarship. Averaging ten points a game. Amy set
a school record when she shot seven to three pointers
in one game. Can you imagine watching that game? That

(10:19):
must have been so exciting. That's a lot of three pointers, right, Yeah,
for sure. A former coach called Amy the best ball
handler she'd ever seen. At Longwood, Amy majored in physical education.
After graduation, she lived with her parents while working as
a waitress at Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. Everyone at the restaurant
loved Amy, but after the cruise, Amy was excited to

(10:41):
start a new job as a graphic designer and move
into a new apartment. I think at this time it
was harder to get a job as a teacher. I
think the market was just saturated, and she really did
want to be a teacher and a coach, but she
couldn't find a job. So she took this job. I
think it was a family friend and they hired her

(11:03):
until she could find I think a job in the
teaching field. Amy had also recently adopted a new English
bulldog puppy that she'd named Bailey. Things were going well
for Amy. She and her brother Brad were extremely close.
They considered each other best friends. Self expression was important
to Amy. She wasn't afraid to stand out. She was

(11:23):
confident in her own skin, her style bold and edgy,
her ever changing hair color, her distinctive fashion sense to
the music she loved. Amy also had several tattoos, each
carried a special meaning to her. On her left shoulder
was a purple baby Tasmanian devil also known as Dizzy Devil,
spinning a basketball on its finger, a nod to her

(11:45):
love of the game. Above her right ankle, she had
a black Japanese symbol. On her lower back a primitive
Japanese sund and around her belly button, where she also
had a piercing curled a blue and green gecko. Each
design was intentional, a small window into who Amy was.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Amy's story has long fascinated the true crime community, but
it wasn't until the three part Netflix documentary Amy Bradley
Is Missing that her sexuality became widely discussed. Whether it
has any direct bearing on her disappearance is debatable, but
it remains an important piece of the puzzle in understanding
who Amy was. During her junior year of college, Amy

(12:25):
began questioning her sexuality after developing feelings for her close
friends Shannon kat Lovelace, a fellow basketball player and sweet mate.
When their friendship deepened into a romantic relationship, Amy hesitated
to share the truth with her family, worried their conservative
values might lead to rejection. To keep up appearances, Amy

(12:47):
and Kat dated brothers as boyfriends while secretly staying committed
to each other.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
I heard an interview with Kat and she said that
these men or boys never even made it to first
base with them.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Amy even invited Kat to spend the summer with her family,
under the guys that she needed a place to stay.
The Bradleys warmly welcomed Kat as Amy's friend, but when
Amy later revealed that Kat was actually her girlfriend, their
opinion shifted.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
In this interview I heard with Kat, she talked about
how much she loved the Bradleys and they were a
really great family, but they just couldn't wrap their heads
around Amy being gay.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Okay, Ron Bradley went so far as to write Kat
a three page letter expressing his disappointment. When Amy came
out to her parents, Kat realized she should do the
same and also chose to come out to her own family,
but she had a much better experience. Despite the couple's
love for each other, Amy's Family's disapproval weighed heavily on

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their relationship, and Kat would later say it played a
part in their eventual breakup after two years. Kat on
her substack described Amy as vibrant, magnetic, complicated, brave, fun, passionate, flawed.
She called their relationship a gift and a storm. Brad
has done a lot of interviews and said that Amy

(14:09):
was bisexual and had a boyfriend named Tom at the
time of her disappearance, but friends say this isn't true.
A journalist named James Renner interviewed Tom. Tom was a
manager at Ruth Chris Steakhouse where Amy worked. He described
their relationship as more of a buddy relationship. They would
drink beers and shoot pool together.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
This man, James Renner, he has a YouTube channel and
I watched a lot of his videos about this case.
The Netflix documentary coincided with him writing a book about Amy. Okay,
so at this time the same time, they're both doing
this research and some of their sources overlap.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
James Renner's book is not out until next summer, but
he's done an extensive amount of research. Sounds like a
pretty good guy. He sat down with the Bradley family.
He had been exchanging emails and messages with them for months,
and finally they invited him to their home, which was
kind of a big deal for the Bradley family because
they didn't trust every journalist been cautious understandably over the years.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Well it should be an interesting read.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
So, like we said at the beginning of this section,
Amy's sexuality had never really been discussed publicly, and when
James Rudder went to meet with the Bradley family, he
was very cautious about this because he was pretty sure
that they didn't want to talk about it. But then
he broached the subject, like right before he left, and
he said, the mood completely changed in the room and Iva,

(15:40):
who in the documentary, if you've watched it, really does
seem like a nice woman who's very loving. But as
soon as he brought up the thing, the rumors about
Amy being gay, she shut him down.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
In January nineteen ninety eight, Amy was dating a woman
named Molly McClure. They were very much in love and
planning a future together until Amy met and kissed another
woman after a night of partying. It didn't mean anything
and she instantly regretted it. Amy was racked with guilt
when she admitted what happened to Molly. Molly ended the relationship.

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She told Amy she needed time and space to process
the news, refusing to see her or talk to her
on the phone. Amy was heartbroken and wanted to show
Molly how important.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
She was to her.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
She decided to write her a love letter, a message
in a bottle. It said, quote, Molly, I hurt you
deeper than you can ever forget. I just wanted to
ask you if you could find it in your heart
to forgive me. I feel like there is an ocean
between us, like I'm on a desert island, waiting for
you to rescue me. A message in a bottle my
only hope. I miss you, Molly, save me. Please stranded Amy.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
So we can talk about the symbolism of her writing. Yeah,
a letter in a bottle.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
That's quite a coincidence.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah it is is just a coincidence, but it is ironic.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
She sent the letter a month before she disappeared. Molli
was touched by the gesture, and they decided to reunite
after the cruise and discuss their future. So it sounds
like they were on the path to getting back together,
but never had the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Sadly, yeah, I heard interviews with both Kat and Molly,
and they both seem like lovely women who really cared
about Amy very much.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
On March twenty first, nineteen ninety eight, the Bradley family
left their home in Chesterfield, Virginia, and flew to San Juan,
Puerto Rico, where they boarded the Rhapsody of the Seas
to begin their seven day cruise, with port stops in Aruba, Curasau,
and the Virgin Islands. Ron and Iva both worked for
the insurance agency Illinois Mutual. The cruise was a reward

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trip for Illinois Mutual's top salespeople, with about two hundred
employees and their families on board. Seizing the opportunity for
a family trip, the Bradley paid extra so that Amy
and Brad could join them. The trip, in part, was
to celebrate the beginning of Amy's professional life. Amy and
Brad took a slightly later flight than Iva and Ron.

(18:12):
Once they were all together, they were still too early
to board the ship, so they went shopping. Amy bought
fifteen rolls of film for her camera and some postcards
that she sent before boarding the ship, so she was.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Entering some sort of photo contest. I'm not sure if
it was a contest that was going to be aboard
the cruise or something after the cruise, but that was
why she had bought so many rolls of film and
was going to be taken a lot of pictures.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
The Bradley's cabin was on Deck eight, a prime location
with nice views of the sea and a small balcony
made of clear glass for unobstructed views of the ocean.
It was close quarters, but the Bradleys didn't think sharing
the state room would be a problem. With so much
to explore on the ship and the port cities, they
would only be in the room to sleep. Although Amy

(18:59):
was a strong swim, her brother said she feared heights
and deep water and avoided going near the railings.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
So Brad and Amy were sharing the pullout sofa to
sleep on.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Oh, okay, that doesn't sound ideal.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I think our kids are similar ages to the Bradley kids,
and I can't imagine our kids sharing a pullout.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Oh, they would not be cool with that.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
The Bradleys had a great time the first two days
of the cruise. As two of the youngest passengers on board.
Amy and Brad drew plenty of attention from the crew
for their fun loving nature. On day three of the trip,
March twenty third, the Rhapsody stopped in Aruba. The Bradleys
rented a convertible to explore the island, but got lost
for hours. Sunburned and exhausted, they barely made it back

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to the ship before departure. That evening aboard the ship
was formal night, Amy and brad posed for pictures with
the ship's professional photographer. After dinner, Iva and Amy searched
for the photos but couldn't find them. The photographer said
he had printed them, yet they had vanished from the display,
though reprinted later. The incident was strange and unsettling. You

(20:08):
always have to take your picture on all of these things.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Right whatever.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
You go on a ride, you go on a cruise,
you go on.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Whatever, in case it's your last ride cruise.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Is that why they do it?

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Maybe I think they do it to make money, but
it is a little bit, uh.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
It is funny like that happens to us all the
time whenever I run one of these tourists trips, and
a lot of times I'm a little rude and I
just keep walking because there's no way I'm going to
buy this picture, so let's save the film yep.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
After dinner, the Bradley's changed into more casual attire for
a pool party. Brad surprised himself and his family when
he won the limbo contest. He was given a crown
as a surprise, which he promptly placed on Amy's head.
At one am, Iva and Ron called it a night,
just as the ship left Aruba's port for the next stop, Curosau,

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just seventy miles away. The family all in brace and
exchanged I love yous before the elder Bradleys returned to
their cabin. We'll be back after a break.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Amy and Brad were in no hurry to return to
the tiny stateroom. Instead, they went to the Calypso Disco
to dance and have a few drinks. Crew members were
allowed to socialize with guests aboard the ship until about
one am. Witnesses were called seeing Amy dancing and having
a drink with a bass player for the ship's band,
Blue Orchid Alistair Douglas was his name, although most people

(21:36):
called him Yellow. He was dejaying that night, and Amy
and Brad requested several songs. Between changing songs, he danced
with Amy, sometimes grinding up against her, which definitely was
against the rules. Amy and Brad were much younger than
the typical guests on the cruise ship. They were both attractive,
fun loving, and had good personalities. They became friendly with

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several members of the crew. The night before Amy disappeared,
they even invited her to a bar, Carlos and Charlie's.
She declined the invitation, thinking it was a little odd.
Carlos and Charlie's that is the bar in Aruba where
Natalie Holloway was last seen. Oh around three am, Ron
Bradley woke to find Brad and Amy missing and went

(22:21):
to look for them to make sure they were okay.
They told their dad that they would be back to
the cabin soon. Do you think that's odd that he
went to look for them a little bit?

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, I would think.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
You're on a cruise and you know they're young people.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
They are going to stay out till they stay out, Like,
where are they going to go?

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Brad returned to the cabin about three thirty am and
sat on the balcony. Amy followed ten minutes later and
joined Brad outside. So in this entire case. The only
objective data that we have is that Amy returned to
the room at three forty. And we know this because
you had to swipe your key to get into the room, gotcha.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
But there's no record when someone leaves the room.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Right because you don't have to swipe your key, you know,
you just exit the room, just like in a hotel.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
And Brad confirmed that Amy came in at three point
forty and that they sat on the balcony together.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yes, so, Amy enjoyed sitting on the small balcony facing
the sea, feeling the breeze while smoking. While sitting together,
Amy confided to Brad that Yellow had made several unwelcome
advances towards her, but she let it go and said
it wasn't a big deal. They sat on the balcony,
chatting and rehashing the night until Brad turned in a
little after four am, leaving Amy outside. With a combination

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of the long day, the alcohol, and the fresh air,
Brad quickly fell into a sound sleep. Amy stayed on
the balcony. She was feeling a little nauseous and the
cool sea breeze soothed her. At five point thirty, Ron
jerked awake with alarm. Later, he said he didn't know
what had aroused him. He quickly panned the room and
noted Brad and Bed, but not Amy. He peered out

(23:57):
onto the deck and saw Amy lounging on a deck
chair and went back to sleep, satisfied that all was well.
But when he woke up again just after six am,
he noticed that the sliding door to the deck was
a jar about a foot. The small table had been
pushed up against the railing. Amy's cigarettes and lighter were
gone from the table, but her sandals were neatly lined

(24:18):
up under her chair. The yellow polo show that Amy
had worn to the nightclub was draped over a chair
inside the cabin. Ron assumed that Amy had gone out
to seek a cup of coffee, and then he left
the room, hoping to find her and join her to
watch the sunrise. When he didn't find her, he returned
to the room to rouse Iva and Brad to help

(24:38):
look for Amy.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
So he saw her at five thirty on the balcony,
and then just a half hour later he came back
and she was gone, and the door was ajar exactly.
That's a very narrow window of time, interesting.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Very good observation, something that I'm wondering. So it's five
thirty the first time, and he doesn't know what woke
him up, but he said he saw Amy on on
the balcony. But it's five thirty. The sun isn't going
to rise until I think just after six, okay, so
it must be pretty dark. The room is cramped and

(25:14):
Brad is closer to the deck door than he is,
so would he be able to how clearly would he
be able to see onto the deck?

Speaker 1 (25:23):
I mean, I think it really depends on whether there
was a full moon out. I mean, sometimes even before
the sunrise moon okay, and sometimes even before the sun
rise it starts to get at least a little bit lighter.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
But at five thirty am, and it's in March, mean,
I know it's you know, it's a different It's the Caribbean,
so maybe it's a little different.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, it's hard to say.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Around six thirty am on Tuesday, March twenty fourth, Ron
and Iva approached the purser's desk and inform them that
Amy was missing and asked for their assistance. The staff
didn't seem too concern, suggesting that she may be eating
breakfast or sleeping on a deck chair. Someone we don't
know who called Yellow's room to see if Amy was there.

(26:05):
She wasn't. I get the impression that Yellow bringing a
woman back to his room. It might be a frequent occurrence, okay,
even though he had a roommate. Later, Yellow's room and
the rooms of his fellow bandmates were searched, but nothing
was found. The crew told the Bradleys to keep looking
and to let them know if Amy didn't turn up.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Soon.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
The Bradleys took another lap around the boat, but there
was still no sign of Amy.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
It's a little surprising to me that they reported her
missing so quickly. I would think it would be very
possible that she was just up getting a cup of
coffee or taking a walk to see the sunrise. And
also I would think there are probably a lot of
nooks and crannies on a ship like that that it
would be very difficult to find someone just by walking
around the ship.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I think there were a fair number of places that
she could have been, but they checked them all fairly quickly, okay.
The Bradleys went door to door, pleading with fellow passengers
and asking them to search their rooms. Their desperate efforts
were halted after security stepped in and ordered them to stop.
The boat was about to dock and Ciros out for
the day. Cirisau was an island of the Netherlands about

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forty miles north of Venezuela. Passengers lined up excitedly to
explore the port city, Willemstad. The Bradleys knew Amy wouldn't
have gotten off the boat without telling them something was
definitely wrong. It was unlike Amy to worry her family.
Iva told People magazine quote, She's not going to leave
the room and not come back without leaving a note.

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My intuition was something is terribly wrong. They pleaded with
the staff of the Rhapsody to lock the ship down,
make an announcement, and not to let anyone off the
vessel until Amy was found, but disembarkation continued. Helplessly. They
watched as hundreds of passengers streamed off the ship, no

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records kept, no effort made to track who or how
many left for the day or who returned.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
That's really surprising to me. I would think if there's
a passenger missing, even if they haven't been missing for
that long, you would want to make sure everyone was
accounted for. If they did let people off the ship,
I would think they would be really careful to track
exactly who was leaving the ship as well.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I wish you would have been in charge of security.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah too, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I think today you have bracelets or badges that you know,
they keep track of and they know who is on
and off the ship at all times. But back in
nineteen ninety eight that was not the case. It was infuriating.
Iva said in an interview. They didn't act like this
was an emergency. They acted like we were an inconvenience cruise.

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Director Kirk Dattweiler said in the Netflix documentary, We're not
going to stap everybody's cruise because there was a missing girl.
That's one family's unfortunate incident. But we still have twenty
four hundred people who paid a lot of money. And
as cold as that sounds, that's the reality. We still
had a couple of thousand people to entertain feed. They

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were still on vacation, so we went back to you know,
normal operating procedure. Life goes on cruises go on.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Oh, he's right, that sounds pretty cold.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
When I was watching the documentary and he said that,
my jaw like hit the floor. I couldn't believe how
cold hearted he was. I think he is one of
those situations where he was interviewed for hours. I feel
a little bit of empathy for him because I think
they just took that one chunk out of his interview
and he got to say a few other things in
the documentary, but he I think he's gotten a lot

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of hate online, understandably so for what he said.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
But I think so too.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I mean, and may be part of its hindsight because
at this time they didn't know that anything serious was wrong, right,
but still, if somebody's missing, I would think you would
take that very very seriously.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
If we were on a cruise and a passenger was missing,
I would say, inconvenience me, it's okay, exactly Like you know,
finding Amy was more important than anything else.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
By nine am there was still no sign of Amy.
The crew agreed to page her finally, and they initiated
a Charlie drill, which is a full scale search in which,
in theory, every inch of the ship is combed. For
an hour, crew members scoured every inch of the vessel,
but there was still no sign of Amy. Although later
the Bradleys learned that it really wasn't a full scaled

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Charlie drill. They did not search the guests cabins.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Oh yeah, I would think every inch of the ship
would include the guest cabins.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
I think, yeah, most of the ship is the guest cabins. Right.
The captain delivered devastating news to Iva Ron and brad
He was sure that Amy was no longer on board.
Panic set in. It made no sense. The Bradleys were
beyond frustrated that a lockdown hadn't been ordered. Anyone could
have slipped off the ship unnoticed. Amy could have been

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smuggled away as a prisoner in a suitcase or a
garbage bag, or you know, there's so many things are
coming on and off the ship. You know, at every
port they take the garbage off, and you know they're
getting an influx of you know, supply and food and
so any of those carts they could have hidden Amy.

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Ron watched helplessly as people came and went all day
long hoping to see Amy. From early on, the Bradleys
were sure that she had been kidnapped and taken off
the boat. They did not believe that she went overboard
accidentally or intentionally adamantly denying Amy would have taken her
own life. Quote she didn't vanish into thin air. Ron

(31:34):
said someone knows something and we are going to find out.
And odd interaction occurred when Yellow approached Brad that morning
and said, well, I'm sorry to hear about your sister,
And that was before I had really been announced that
she was missing. Yellow quickly became suspect number one. And
I I'm not sure why he would say this to

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Brad if he did something to Amy.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Well, and didn't you say earlier that someone called him
early that morning when they started looking for Yeah, yeah,
so he would have known.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
So he would have known. But I don't think maybe
Brad didn't realize that someone had called him at that point.
I don't know. But he has been very and he
has had some suspicious behavior.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Too, Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
It took local authorities in Kurrasau at least twelve hours
to be informed about amy vanishing. Helicopters, boats, dive teams
and scent dogs were dispatched to search the waters and
coastlines between Aruba and Curasau, about two hundred square nautical miles.
It was up to twenty hours after Amy had disappeared

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that the search got underway.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
So that's almost a full day after Amy disappeared until
these searches were started.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, once again, does not seem to be the level
of urgency that.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
I would expect.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
We're going to talk about this in just a minute,
but I think a big problem was jurisdiction. Oh, because
they are at sea.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
It was the largest air and water search ever performed
in Curasau. The Navy, the Marines, the Venezuelan Coast Guard,
and even local fishermen joined the search. Authorities believed that
if Amy had jumped or been pushed off of the boat,
her body would have eventually washed ashore due to the
strong current. Even if a shark had gotten to her,

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clothing or body parts would be left behind.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Although I think there aren't many sharks in these waters.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
The Rhapsody of the Seas was sailing in international waters
when Amy disappeared, a place where no single nation has jurisdiction.
The ship flew under the flag of the Bahamas, which
meant US law enforcement like the FBI, had no automatic
authority on board to conduct searches, interviews, or even board
the vessel. They first needed cooperation from both Royal Caribbean

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and Bahamian officials that red tape caused delays during the
critical first hours of the investigation. Cruise ships carry security
personnel but no sworn law enforcement officers, leaving initial control
in the cruise line's hands. When the FBI finally boarded
the next day, they began interviewing staff, but their scope

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was limited. With a foreign flagged ship and an international crew,
much of the investigation depended on the cooperation of the
very people employed by the cruise line. The waters were
scoured for five days before the search was eventually called off.
Royal Caribbean charted a boat and continued to search for
an additional twenty four hours to no avail. Rumors aboard

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the ship began to circulate about a missing passenger. Some
people claimed they saw Amy disembark the ship at the
Kirasau port with a beach bag in her hand, although
she had not brought a beach bag with her. Some
guests believed she had jumped intentionally, while others thought she
might have tried to swim ashore given her athleticism. Swimming

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ashore makes no sense because even like those, cruise ships
are so high up that jumping off of a cruise ship,
you would be killed, right.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
I think that's a really good point. And people don't
realize that that, you know, she was jumping from the
eighth or ninth floor or whatever it was, And yeah,
I think most you would die from that impact hitting
the water, right.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, it's like jumping on the concrete when you're jumping
from that high into water. Two young teenage passengers swore
that sometime between five point thirty and six am, they
saw Amy with Yellow in the ship's class elevator. About
fifteen minutes later, they claimed that they saw only Yellow
walk by them in a hurry, and he didn't acknowledge them.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
So it's impossible to corroborate this time. And it's nineteen
ninety eight. We don't have cell phones in our pocket,
you know, So like now, I feel like I have
a good sense of what time it is all the
time because i'm you know, either well, I have a watch,
but you know a lot of people don't. But you
always have your cell phone with you. But I wonder
if they have this time wrong, right, And.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
These are teenagers.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
They may have had watches, but they a lot of
teenagers probably didn't wear watches at that point, and they're
on a cruise ship right.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Right, And staff should not have been on the glass
elevator at any time. There was a special staff elevator.
And I guess Yellow did break some other rules because
he wasn't supposed to be, you know, with a guest
after one am, and he was definitely dancing with Amy
after one am, so he could have been in the
glass elevator. But I do question the timing of this

(36:22):
because it was never corroborated. The girls when they went
back to the room. I think they were eighteen years old, okay,
And they went back to the room, like one of
their moms let them into the cabin and she said
that it was after six am. But I just I
question it because they didn't have to swipe their card,
is what I was trying to get at there.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Well, like we see in so many stories when someone
gets reported missing, you know, I always think back to
the Lacy Peterson case, all of a sudden, you know,
all these people come.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Out of the woodwork.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Well I think I saw her, you know, I saw
this person. And they're always very specific with their information,
and it's just you know, not that I doubt them, but.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
A lot of times his testimony is weakest evidence.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
You want to have seen her, and so you tell
yourself that you saw her.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Well, hold onto your hat, because we have a whole
lot more of that coming up.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Oh boy.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
The Royal Caribbean didn't announce Amy's disappearance or distribute flyers
with her picture to passengers until forty eight hours after
her disappearance. News reached the US by the next morning.
Amy's friends and family were shocked and felt helpless. The
crew were adamant that the crew is needed to continue
for the sake of the other passengers. The Bradleys were

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encouraged to disembark in Curasau in case Amy turned up.
Iva and Ron's boss rented them a hotel room. The
Rhapsody sailed off as planned on the evening of March
twenty fourth. To Saint Thomas, it was a surreal feeling
for the family. I can imagine how surreal that would be.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
It's like, you.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Don't know is she on the ship, is she in
the water? Is she on curasaw In.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
The heartbreaking and Royal Caribbean did seem they were like, uh, yeah,
you guys should probably get off the ship and wait,
I'm sure they're going to find her, so you want
to be here in Kiras out.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
They just wanted to be done with it and move on.
Many guests weren't even aware that a passenger had gone
missing when they awoke the next morning. The Bradleys began
having second thoughts and decided to fly to Saint Martin
to meet the Rhapsody at its next location to search
the ship more thoroughly and ask more questions. They were
met by Royal Caribbean executives. Although the ship had forty

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surveillance cameras, they were only used for live monitoring. They
didn't record, leaving no footage to review after Amy vanished.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Super frustrating, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
The morning after Amy disappeared, Dutch authorities and the FBI
came aboard the ship to begin their investigation, but by
then the Bradley's cabin had been cleaned. There were no
fingerprints on the Bradley's deck railing.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Which is crazy to think about, right, Yeah, I think
that there would be. It would surprise me that they
would clean the room and then they would go out
to the deck and clean the deck.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, that does seem like I.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Would think that the balcony would get cleaned every now
and then, but not every.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Day, right, that is very strange.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Although journalist James Renner claims that there were some palm
prints on the railings and maybe some footprints on the door.
So if you think if Amy was sleeping on the deck,
like to sleep in a chair is really uncomfortable, Like,
I think you would have to prop your legs up
on something. So I would think that she would, you know,
prop them up on the railing or you know, like

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maybe on the door or something.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yellow was questioned, but authorities didn't believe he had anything
to do with Amy's disappearance. He said that he returned
to his room around three thirty am and went to bed.
His key card confirmed.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
This, although originally he claimed that he was back to
his room at one am. If you remember, it was
the ship's rules that all staff should be back in
their rooms by one am and not socializing with guests
any long. Okay, So there were definitely some things that
he was dishonest about.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
However, because the ship was in international waters, the FBI
had no domain on the Rhapsody and couldn't detain anyone
and could only question people who agreed to cooperate. Yellow
did pass a lie detector.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I read varying reports that it was either inconclusive or
he passed.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Okay, Iva, Ron, and brad were all interviewed by the
FBI and quickly eliminated as suspects.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
We'll be back after a break.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
On March twenty eighth, the Bradley's left the cruise ship
early and flew home from Saint Thomas on a private
plane chartered by Iva and Ron's boss. I don't know
this man's name, but he really helped the family. Oh yeah,
where Royal Caribbean should have been stepping up to the
place and helping them, But you know, Ron's boss really
made sure.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah, it really seems that way.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah. Back in Virginia, neighbors had adorned the trees in
the Bradley's neighborhood with yellow ribbons for amy. Once they
were home, they set up a command center in their house.
Friends and family pulled their money together to offer a
one hundred thousand dollar reward. Eventually it was I think
over two hundred thousand dollars for any information. Royal Caribbean

(41:26):
has also offered a two hundred thousand dollar reward for information,
and the FBI two have offered a twenty five thousand
dollars cash reward. The Bradleys also set up the Find
the Amy Bradley Fund, accepting donations from community members and
people around the world. A man named Wayne Brightagg stayed
in the room next to the Bradleys and shared their balcony.

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He enjoyed traveling alone and often observed the world around him,
including Amy as she sat outside smoking. He had been
at the ship's nightclub that night, quietly watching others rather
than joining in. Gators considered him unusual, but ultimately he
was cleared.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
When you say the balcony was shared between the two rooms,
was there like any kind of barrier, like a wall
between them or was it truly open between It was
not open.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
There was something between the two balconies, but they would like,
you know, kind of peer around the little partition.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Okay, but it wouldn't be easy to go from one
balcony to the other, or possibly even I.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Think it would be possible, but definitely my sage.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Okay, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Another passenger, Chris Fenwick, had been hired to document the
trip for a different company. Aboard the ship, Fenwick had
about fifteen to twenty hours of video footage. After Amy's disappearance,
he went through the tapes hoping that he had caught
her on video, and sure enough, he found the video
from the nightclub that captured Amy dancing with Yellow. Someone

(42:54):
claiming to be with the boat security called him and
told him that they needed his master copyfus we used
to turn over the tapes. Good for him, However, he
made a copy and handed it over to the FBI.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Did they have that footage on the Netflix documentary?

Speaker 2 (43:08):
They did?

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Okay, interesting to see yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Two weeks after Amy's disappearance, on April fourth, her father, brother, uncles,
and her alleged boyfriend Tom returned to Carousau for a week.
They held a press conference to spread the word about
Amy and distributed over seven five hundred flyers with her picture.
They met with police, hospitals, Morgue's, churches, and the media.

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It was during this trip that they met a cab
driver named Dshi. We'll come to this in a few minutes.
Royal Caribbean was under fire, but they tried to skirt
responsibility and keep Amy's disappearance out of the media. A
missing passenger was very bad for business. The Bradleys believed
they knew more than they shared with them, and they
were slow to provide them with a passenger manifest or

(43:55):
surveillance video. Ron said, we were met with more concerned
for their reputation than for our daughter. That ship sailed
before anyone even lifted a finger, and that does seem
to be the case. It quickly became a nightmare to
investigate because international laws limited US involvement. We felt like

(44:16):
we were screaming into the wind. Iva said. One agency
would say we can't do anything, it's not our territory.
Another would say, we're waiting for permission from the cruise line,
and meanwhile our daughter was missing.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Ah so frustrating.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
In February nineteen ninety nine, a judge declared Amy legally
dead so the Bradleys could pursue two lawsuits against Royal Caribbean,
one for negligence and the other for wrongful death. The case, however,
was later dismissed after the family was accused of fraud.
The family had concealed eyewitness statements suggesting that Amy was

(44:51):
alive and well, and instead presented only three accounts that
supported the narrative that she had gone overboard.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
So these states that she suggesting she was alive, and
well you mean after she disappeared. Yeah, oh okay, like
where were they, where did they see her?

Speaker 2 (45:10):
We're going to get to that, Okay. In twenty ten,
a jawbone with one wisdom tooth attached washed ashore on
a beach in Aruba. Authorities said the bone belonged to
a Caucasian female, at first thought to belong to American
Natalie Holloway, who vanished in two thousand and five during
her senior class trip to Aruba. The Bradleys provided Amy's

(45:31):
dental records to the FBI, but it's unclear in my
research if the jawbone was ever tested. The bone may
have been too degraded to test. Okay, Since I wrote that,
my research has actually told me that that jawbone was
tested and it was not Amy's.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
So the Bradleys are sure that Amy met a foul
play and seemed to actively dispute any evidence that she
fell or jumped overboard, but they are seemingly able to
accept that she may have been thrown overboard. In the
years following Amy Bradley's disappearance from the Rhapsody of the
seas in March nineteen ninety eight. There have been numerous
reported sightings. Just weeks after Amy vanished, her father, brother,

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uncle's and alleged boyfriend returned to Carrousaw. That's when they
received their first disturbing lead. A taxi driver named Deshi
claimed that he had seen a young woman matching Amy's
description visibly distressed not long after the ship docked in Cairosaw,
wearing jeans and a white T shirt, which her family
thought was what she would be wearing. The woman asked

(46:34):
him where to find a payphone. He pointed to the payphone,
but she went in the opposite direction. Dashi pointed them
to a couple of points on the island where he
thought Amy could have been taken, including a luxury hotel
called the Coral Reef, but they began to suspect that
Deshi was sending them on a wild goose chase. During
that desperate search, Brad thought he heard someone calling his

(46:57):
name from a car in traffic on the street. It's
haunted him ever since. He swears that it was Amy's voice.
They tried to follow the car, but when the car stopped,
Amy was not inside. Amy's case went cold until five
months later, when Canadian engineer David Carmichael reported seeing a
woman escorted by two men on a Kirasou beach. He

(47:20):
thought that one of the men was Yellow. She looked brightened,
like she was about to say something when one of
the guys motioned her away. Carmichael said he even remembered
her two distinctive tattoos, a gecko and a Tasmanian devil,
which match ones Amy had. Quote, if the man had
not stared at me, I would have forgotten everything. But

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I can't. I think about this every day. There isn't
a day that goes by when I don't. After Carmichael
spotted them, he said that Amy and the two men
went to eat an outdoor cafe. While investigators immediately went
back to search, they found no trace of Amy, so
he said that one of the men looked like Yellow,

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but at this time Yellow was still working for Royal
Caribbeans and he was on a ship in interesting A
member of the US Navy reported seeing Amy and Kirosow
brothel in nineteen ninety nine, although he didn't report it
until years later after he'd left his job in the military. Quote,

(48:23):
she told me she got off that ship and she
left on her own because she was going to score drugs.
She said, well, me and my brother were partying and
I went ashore to get drugs, and now I'm stuck
here with these guys. The woman told him that her
name was Amy before she was escorted away. Amy's family
said that she drank, but she never took drugs, so

(48:44):
they did not believe that part of the story.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Oh and yeah, she was an athlete too, right, So
not that that doesn't mean you can't take drugs if
you're an athlete, but I think a lot of athletes
they really want to take care of their body, so.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Right, But in nineteen ninety eight, she had already graduated
college and she.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Wasn't really she can move down from that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Another sighting occurred in two thousand and five, when an American tourist,
Judy Mauer, claimed to have met a distraught woman in
a department store restroom in Barbados. She said that the
woman told her that her name was Amy and that
she was from West Virginia a needed help before two
men barged into the restroom and whisked the woman away.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
You said West Virginia, but Amy was from Virginia, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
The most chilling lead came in two thousand and five
as well, when a series of photographs were sent to
Amy's family by a tipster. The images, published on a
Caribbean adult website, adult vacation dot Com, appeared to show
a woman named Jazz with a striking resemblance to Amy
in a sexual exploitation setting. Even the FBI could not

(49:53):
rule out that this was Amy. Oh, I'm going to
show you the picture really quick and then you can
give me your opinion. Okay, I forgot that. I sent
this picture to our family chata.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Yeah you did, and I.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Think everyone in her family chat was like it, it's
gonna be the same person.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
It's intriguing.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I mean, I can definitely see the resemblance, and it
looks like you know, I think when you sent the picture,
I said, it looks like it could be the same
person after several hard years in between.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
And that's a really good point, because it's been seven
years in two thousand and five since Amy's been missing.
To me, she looks older than Amy would be thirty, right,
she looks older than thirty to me, And yeah, I mean,
you know, if she was in this sexual exploitation business.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
That would aid you quickly, for sure.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
But the facial structure, like just her cheek bones, and
there is definitely a strong resemblance there there is.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Iva said, when I first looked at the picture, it
wasn't the Amy. I know, the picture looks like a
harsh and tormented Amy, but it was still something for
the Bradleys to hang on to and give them hope
that Amy was still alive. People online have identified Jazz
as a woman named Susan from Daytona. There are other
pictures of her where she looks less like Amy, and

(51:10):
I've heard some people say that her ear lobes are
attached and Amy's appear unattached, or vice versa. And in
the pictures of Jazz, you can't see the tattoos. And
if they're from two thousand and five, like our photoshop
abilities what they are today. And the picture is grainy,
so I can't see any evidence of the tattoos. It

(51:32):
doesn't mean that they aren't there. This Susan from Daytona
is just like a couple of people have said this,
it's not We've never found this woman. It does make
me wonder though all these sightings of Amy. Could they
have been this other woman. We've maintained from the beginning
that someone saw Amy and took Amy from that ship

(51:54):
in some way, Ron told NBC. Well, none of these
sightings have ever been conved eclusively verified. The consistency of
reports over the years has fueled suspicions that Amy was
abducted and forced into sex trafficking, keeping her case painfully alive.
Decades later, a man named Frank Vernon Jones Junior was

(52:15):
arrested and charged with mail and wire fraud. He told
the Bradleys and the Nation's Missing Children Organization that he
was a former US Army Green Beret Special Forces officer
and would help them find Amy. Between September twenty eighth,
nineteen ninety nine and July twenty eighth, two thousand, the
Bradley sent him a total of two hundred and ten

(52:36):
thousand dollars to pay for costs associated with finding Amy.
At one point, Joan sent the Bradley's a photo he
claimed was of Amy. The woman was actually an acquaintance
of his, and the photos had been taken on a
Florida beach, complete with temporary tattoos matching Amy's he'd lied
and claimed that his team had engaged in a gunfight

(52:57):
with Amy's captors, killing some of them.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
That's so disgusting.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Take advantage of a family like that, that's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I think most of the people who reported seeing Amy
had the best intention. Yeah, I'm sure, but we talk
about this all the time. That I witness testimony is
the least convincing testimony, right, Yeah, So what happened to
Amy Bradley. I'm going to go over when I racked
my brain, like all the possibilities that I thought of,

(53:29):
she jumped intentionally meaning to take her own life. I
don't think that's the case. I think that things were
going pretty well in her life. There's something called the
call of the void. Have you heard of this turn before?

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Totally? Yeah, I totally know that. What that feeling too.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
It freaks me out, really yeah, I had that feeling.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
All the time, Like really, yes, when I'm like when
I used to work in downtown Detroit. You were in
like a building and I would be on the fifteenth
floor and there was a balcony. I couldn't stand on
that balcony because not that I thought I was going
to do it, but you just like you just have
this feeling like what if I did what if I
just I could just jump over that right now, and

(54:11):
it just freaks you out. It's a really weird feeling.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Okay, Well, I don't know if I've ever had that.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
And some people think that, you know, Amy could have
had that experience. She fell overboard accidentally while she was
trying to vomit. The room was really cramped, and if
she was feeling ill, you know, the combined effects of
being at sea and you know, having had several drinks.
So I don't think I have said this yet. She

(54:37):
either had six or seven light beers between dinnertime, which
was at six pm until she went back to the room,
like on the Bradley's bill. That's how many drinks that
she had. I don't think that doesn't mean that someone
could could have bought her drinks or shots or something.
And Amy was friendly with the bartender, so I think
it's possible that she had more to drink. Yeah, and

(54:59):
the room was really close quarters, and if she could
have like, you know, vomited overboard rather than you know,
like gone back to the bathroom and then everyone would
have heard her. Sure, you know, it's possible that she
could have done that. The railings did come up pretty high.
I think they were forty two inches and Amy was
five feet six, so a lot of people say that, yeah.

(55:23):
And but there wasn't like the ship. The side of
the ship seemed like a straight like there wasn't any
like decks that were protruding. So she you know, could
have had a direct shot if she leaned over far
enough and the table was depending on who you believe,
the table was pushed up to the railings. So in
my head, you know, I think it's possible that she

(55:43):
could have like been kneeling on the table or used
the table to like, you know, get up a little higher.
Remember Amy in the fifteen rolls of a film Sunrise
was at six thirty seven am that morning. You know,
could could she have been trying to get a picture
of the sunrise, although rad said her camera was in
the room in the safe Okay. Could someone have slipped

(56:05):
something into Amy's drink and caused her to hallucinate and
she would have ended up overboard? Could something have happened
between Brad and Amy on the balcony or did Amy
wilfully walk off the ship, wanting to start a new life.
Was she murdered and taken off the ship in a suitcase?
Was she taken against her will off the ship and

(56:25):
sold into sex trafficking. A lot of people think that
is the most plausible thing that happened to Amy. One
more possibility that I haven't mentioned yet. During Amy's last
night aboard the ship, she was seen in conversation with
two black women wearing uniforms that didn't match the ship's
crew navy skirts with light blue, buttoned up shirts. Her

(56:47):
brother Brad later researched and noted that these matched the
attire of staff from the Sea Org ship Free Winds,
docked nearby and operated by the Church of Scientology. After
Amy's disappearance, two officials from Scientology knocked on the Bradley's
hotel room door, introduced themselves as from the Free Winds,

(57:10):
and asked strangely specific questions about Amy, details like her
favorite snacks, cigarettes, and drinks. Brad initially entertained theories that
Amy might have been lured aboard the Free Winds, but
after speaking with former Sea Org members, he recanted, acknowledging
that involvement was extremely unlikely. One last possibility is could

(57:34):
Amy have been used in a drug trade? Did someone
on the ship convince her to deliver a package to someone?
In my head, this seems like maybe a fairly likely scenario.
She was very familiar with a lot of the crew members.
Remember they asked her to go to the bar with them,
and she would sit at the bar and talk to

(57:54):
the bartenders. And then she was friendly with the yellow guy.
And I feel like, you know, she was just starting
her life. They could have offered her, you know, a
pretty good amount of money to take a package and
delivered to someone. Maybe she could have been killed during
a drug trade.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Interesting, So let me just make sure I understand the
timeline here. So she disappeared at around six am something
like that, Right, her dad got up and she wasn't
there at six am? Right, the ship was docked in
Curous Out at that time or not not yet.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
That's a good question. The doc it was reaching Curius
Out was almost to cure us out at six am.
I think by seven am they were docked and that's
when passengers were getting people.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Were starting to get off, like, yeah, seven okay. Interesting
because I was just thinking that her family started searching
for her right away, so before the ship was actually docked,
So she would have had to have been if she
left the ship voluntarily for whatever reason, she would have
been evading them during that time, basically trying to make
it so they wouldn't find her.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Yeah, that's a really good point. She would have had
to have been in someone's room. Yeah, probably hiding.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Okay. Interesting.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
The Bradleys are adamant that Amy is alive. Quote. We
think what happened to Amy was that she was targeted.
She was seen, taken and removed from the ship, and
we believe she was trafficked into some kind of sex
trade situation. Iva Bradley said Amy was the kind of
kid who knew who she was even when she was little.
She had this spark iner. She was strong, not just

(59:30):
physically but mentally. Amy loved to dance, to create, and
be active. She was fiercely loyal and looked out for
her friends and family. She was adventurous in the life
of the party. Iva said that she wakes up every
day and thinks, maybe today is the day they will
find Amy. Each night before she goes to bed, Iva
and Ron say to each other, maybe tomorrow. Amy's car,

(59:53):
her red mos Demata remains in the Bradley's garage, where
Ron still maintains it not just missing, Iva WinCE said
she's missed. The Raleys have appeared on numerous TV shows
over the years, including Oprah, Doctor Phil, Unsolved Mysteries, and
America's Most Wanted. In hopes of getting Amy's picture and
story out to the public, they've pledged to never stop

(01:00:15):
looking for her as long as they are alive. The
Crew's Vessel Security and Safety Act was signed into law
in twenty ten. It was created to improve safety standards
and transparency within the cruise industry after a series of
high profile disappearances and crimes at sea. It enforces safety
regulations on ships operating outside of the US. It states

(01:00:37):
that incidents that occur aboard cruise ships must be reported immediately.
The law requires cruise ships that dock at US ports
to implement specific safety measures, such as higher guard rails,
peep holes and cabin doors, and security latches. It also
mandates that ships maintain equipment for the prompt preservation of

(01:00:58):
evidence in cases of serious crimes, and provide medical staff
trained to treat sexual assault victims. In addition, cruise lines
must report alleged crimes to the FBI and the US
Coast Guard, and those reports are made available to the public.
Cruise ships must also report crimes to the Department of
Transportation to maintain statistics. The Act was designed to protect passengers,

(01:01:21):
ensure better accountability from cruise companies, and give families and
investigators more access to critical information when crimes or accidents
occurre at sea, but with ships sailing under a variety
of foreign flags, investigating crimes is still often difficult. It
shouldn't take such a tragedy to make people safe, Ron

(01:01:42):
Bradley said, But if Amy's story helped just prevent just
one more family from going through this, then she didn't
disappear for nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Definitely seems long overdue to have those kind of regulations.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I mean, like you mentioned at the beginning, these ships
are basically floating cities, and so there's going to be crime,
there's going to be accidents, there's going.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
To be medical issues. They really need to be prepared
for those things.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Yes, most cruise ships today have overboard detection systems. According
to an article in USA Today, between twenty nine and
twenty nineteen, there were two hundred and twelve overboard incidents
globally involving passengers and crew, and only forty eight of
these people were rescued. Do you remember the story just
this summer. I think it was a Disney cruise line

(01:02:26):
when a little girl fell overboard.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Wow, make me cry thinking about her father jumped overboard
and I think treaded water for twenty minutes until they
were rescued. And they were both rescued and safe, and
that was a wonderful story.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
So, Brad Bradley, now forty eight, told People magazine people
can't understand the level of hope that we've maintained. We're
still waiting for that call. Brad has been tireless, especially
since this Netflix documentary came out. There's just a click
around on YouTube. He's given so many interviews. Really is
hopeful that she's out there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
And heartbreaking not knowing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Yeah, so what do you think happened to Amy?

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Boy?

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I wish, I wish I knew. It's such a mystery.
I mean it, it seems to me like when I
think about it, the most likely scenario is that she
somehow went overboard, either fell or was pushed overboard. Because
just the fact that she hasn't been seen. I mean,
I know there have been a lot of sightings, but.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
The best one was in two thousand and five. Yeah,
that's interesting, but.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
I just don't, you know, I just don't know how
many of those are really credible. The photo that you
that you looked at was the one I was like, Oh,
that really looks like you're with them. You mentioned the
tattoos and everything. Even though you can't be one hundred
percent sure, it does seem like it's maybe not so
likely that that was her. But I don't know, I
really it's a real mystery for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
The whole the thought of her being trafficked. A high
profile American from you know, a relatively wealthy family isn't
taken off a cruise ship to be trafficked.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I don't know a lot about sex trafficking and how
that normally works and how common that is. But that
was my first thought as well, is that it just
doesn't seem that likely to me. But I really don't
feel like I know enough about how these people go
about what they do and who they target and things
like that to really have a valid opinion on that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Most people forced into sexual exploitation don't look like Amy Bradley.
Traffickers prey on the vulnerable, children, women in poverty, people
without support systems, who can be easily manipulated and controlled.
Victims are usually isolated, stripped of identification, and watched constantly.
They aren't free to stroll through shops or cafes, places

(01:04:47):
where they could be recognized or ask for help, and,
practically speaking, without a passport or papers, moving them across
borders is nearly impossible. So Amy allegedly has been seen
in Kirasau, Barbados, Aruba. Yeah, I don't know how you
know she would get from place to place.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Yeah, it does seem a little unlikely.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Amy was twenty three, healthy, educated and deeply loved by
her family. Women aren't plucked from cruise ships and forced
into sex trafficking. It's too high profile. Amy was strong.
She would have not gone quietly eat Over the years,
witnesses swore they saw her in hotels, cafes, even begging
strangers for help. None of this fits how trafficking works.

(01:05:27):
She didn't match the profile, and her supposed captors didn't
behave like traffickers. That's what makes her disappearance so unsettling.
Nothing about it makes sense amy sandals were under her chair,
and the balcony table against the railing suggests that she
was barefoot, leaning or sitting on the edge. With only
minutes between when her brother went to bed and when

(01:05:47):
her father noticed that she was gone, it's hard to
believe that she wandered the ship. The ship or was
taken during this time. Just seems like it's too convenient, right.
The simplest answer to me is there was an accident.
She slipped overboard, unseen and unheard before anyone realized it.
If Amy's still alive today, she would be fifty one,

(01:06:08):
and I think that she would have aged out of
sex trafficking. I think it's highly unlikely that she's never
tried to contact her family in all of these years.
It's far more compelling to believe Amy is still alive,
whether traffic are living somewhere in secrecy, than to accept
that she slipped into the sea nearly thirty years ago.
But holding onto that hope can also be cruel, keeping

(01:06:30):
her family suspended between possibility and loss, unable to fully grieve,
move forward, or find peace in their remaining years. That's
what breaks my heart about this case is that her
family is just clinging to hope that she's alive. And
the Bradleys are I think in their mid seventies now,
and you know, I just wish that they could have

(01:06:50):
some peace.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Yeah, it would be great for them to have closure
in one way or another. I tend to agree with
you that that seems to be the most logical explanation
that she somehow went overboard, maybe accidentally, because like you said,
the window of time is narrow, and when people fall
overboard on a cruise ship, you're.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Out at sea. It's a huge.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Area and it's pretty likely that you're not going to
be found.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
I know they said that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
You know, even if there were sharks or whatever, there
would be clothing. But you know, the sea is a
really big place.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
It really is. Although the boat was nearing the shore
of Curras how Yeah, so it was more limited in
its scope. But almost twenty four hours had passed until
you know, they got into the water and search for it, right,
So I do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
It does seem weird though. It does seem like it
would be hard to accidentally fall overboard as well, you know,
just because the railings are fairly high, you know, and
I can't I can't imagine you would get up on
a table, you know, next to the balcony to try
to lean over and get a better picture, so that
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
It's really really baffling to me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
One piece of the story that I have a hard
time with is people believe that Yellow had something to
do with Amy being trafficked. She'd already rebuffed his advances
in the club the night before. I don't think that
she would have gone up to meet him at six am.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Yes, I was thinking the same thing she was seen
at five thirty am. Their night had ended a few
hours earlier. So yeah, it doesn't It doesn't make any
sense that she would go see him, or that he
would you know, he couldn't have come into their room.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Some people said that, well, maybe he was going to
show her the best place to take a picture of
the showers of Kirasau. It's a beautiful port. Yeah, and
maybe he but I yeah, that's hard to believe.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
It hard to believe.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
I haven't mentioned this yet. There was a female bartender
that Amy enjoyed talking to, and her name was Caitlin,
So I could see that more as a pool like
maybe she wanted to meet Caitlin. But even that seems
unlikely because if Amy wanted to see Caitlin, I think
that they would just would have stayed. Yeah, like to
go back to her rooms.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
I'll meet you in three hours at six am.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Mostly for an out. Yeah. I have a hard time
with you too. Do you think that Royal Caribbean is
culpable somewhat?

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Yeah? I think they really did not have good procedures
in place to handle this when somebody went missing, Like
we talked about it earlier, But someone goes missing, even
if you're even if it's only for a short time,
you should stop everything. You know, you shouldn't let people
off the ship. You shouldn't it. People could be a
little inconvenienced for a short time before you find someone.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
I imagine if you were on that trip, you would
have a little PTSD from being involved in that, and
you know, racking your brain. Did I see Amy? You
know what? What could I have known?

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Yeah? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
I would hate the fact that she's never been found
and it was because you know, I have to go
off on the port city.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
I think Royal Caribbean definitely did a very poor job
of managing this situation.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Well, let us know what you think about this baffling case.
It's one of those cases that, sadly, I don't think
we will ever truly know what happened to Amy Bradley,
but we're thinking of her family and friends. And I
didn't want to say rest in peace because you know
she still might be out there. Had a hard time
if I should use present tents or past tense, but
you know, I hope that she has found someday. Yes,

(01:10:29):
so I'm going to ask you again, would you like
to go on a cruise?

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Well, I wouldn't let that this story deter me so much,
but when you talked about the fact that cruise ships
are so crowded and so many people, that that did
give me a little more pause because I prefer vacation.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Where you're a little bit, you know, away from people,
not in huge crowds of people.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
So I don't know, I would still consider it if
it went to some cool places.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
But yeah, I think like a Nordic cruise would be fun,
or on a lee ask a cruise. I don't know
if I would go on a cruise to the Caribbean.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Yeah, yeah, I would probably prefer one of those other options.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
As well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
We didn't talk about this a ton, but I think
the cruise ships. I don't know if they still are,
but they were used for a lot of drug trafficking
because it was very close to Venezuela.

Speaker 5 (01:11:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
I never would have thought that, but it makes total sense.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
So the other day I was I was heading out.
I was just going to go, I think, to some
some shops and things like that, and I really didn't
feel like getting ready, sweing my hair and making myself
look decent. And I started thinking about the Jetson's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Not where I figured you were going with that, but
you watch.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
The jets I love it. It's so funny. I was
thinking about George Jetson and how they were really pretty
much the same person.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Were they? I never really thought about that, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Similar, But I just started think about Jane and how
she used to have like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Jane his wife, Yeah do you want to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Just no, okay, But she had this like it was
like a zoom call essentially, huh right, and then she
had like a mask that she could like slip on.
And I guess we have filters for zoom calls, but
I wish that I, you know, could have just like
this filter that I could wear all the time, and

(01:12:25):
it would and maybe we're going to get there someday.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Probably we will.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Yeah, but everyone has to agree to wear you know,
like their Google Google glasses or whatever, and we can
all just like look better to each other.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
That's probably what will happen, is everyone will have you know,
these kind of Google glasses are.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Probably like a chip in her brain, right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Or likely yes, And so yeah, you'll be able to
turn on a filter so everybody looking. You'll probably have
to pay for it, so it'll be a description, it'll
be a subscription thing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
You'll have to pay for it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
It'll cost forty nine cents for the first three months
and then nineteen United for Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Yeah, I think you nailed that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
I think what year was the Jetson set in? Do
you want to guess?

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
I have just twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Twenty sixty two, Okay, so we're not too far off.
And I again thinking about the Jetsons, like, how close
are we to the Jetsons? I think we some things
are really close.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
I don't remember much of the details about it. I
just remember the whole sort of vibe of the show
more so than specific technologies that they had.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Well, they had their flying cars. Yeah, we're not really
there yet, No, not quite. They had Rosie the robot,
which we have were probably but it's not a Rosy right.
So yeah, would you like a flying car?

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Yeah, totally. Ever since I was a kid. When I
was a kid, I read in some magazine about these
ultra light planes, which are they still have them, but
they're really small, like they basically dangerous. Oh they're super
dangerou but they have like a lawnmower engine essentially. When
I saw that, I was like, oh my god, I
want one of those someday so bad. And I still

(01:14:07):
would love that, but the safety factor turns me off.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Maybe you should take flying lessons. A lot of people
take flying lessons. Do you think you would do that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
I have like a fear of flying, but I have
a fascination and all the flying at the same time,
and I don't think I would trust myself to fly
a plane.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
I just what's the Nathan Fielder Show?

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Oh the rehearsal.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Yeah, did we talk about that on the podcast?

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
We might talk a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Yeah, but that if you haven't watched that, that was
a very interesting show. And yeah, at the end of it,
like he was taking he was really scared of flying too, right,
and he took flying lessons.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
I don't know if he was scared of flying or
he was just fascinated by flying and the risks and
things like that. And he, yeah, he became a pilot,
like not just a small plane pilot, but right, commercial
airliner type pilot. So just for a bit, yeah, I
mean he took it, took it to extremes, which pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
One more thing before we go. I think we have
a good shot at winning the lottery this weekend. It's
like almost like one point five Actually it's probably closer
to two billion dollars right now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Well, after taxes, it will only be you know, probably
one billion.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Right, So how are we going to spend our money?

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
When you say you think we have a pretty good shot,
what why do.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
You believe that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
I think, well, I told the universe and actually you
were present for this conversation, huh. I put it up
in the universe that we would donate probably more than
fifty percent of the proceeds to charities. That's one of
the people I admire most is Jeff Bezos first wife
number one. Uh huh, Mackenzie Scott. She has donated so much,

(01:15:48):
but she got a lot of money in their divorce
and she has done Her goal is to donate, like,
you know, billions of dollars to charity, and I feel
like I would really love to donate a lot of
money to charity too. We donate every month to charity.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
So you think that will increase our odds of winning
the lottery because you put that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
To the universe.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Okay, Yeah, I mean I think we would donate a lot,
a lot, a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
I mean, yeah, if you want a billion dollars, you
could easily donate more than half of that and be
really comfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
With the rest of Honest to god, I only want like,
and this still sounds really greedy, like five to ten million,
and the rest I would probably.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Yeah, I'm good with that too.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Sure, Okay, So what are we going to do with
with our proceeds?

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Well, I think we've we've talked about it enough. I
think we're going to buy a nice house on Lake Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Just one, yep, Well, we probably have two. I'd probably
keep a house here in one and it wouldn't have
to be fancy. We're not really fancy people Like if
I could have like three pair of your leggings rather
than one for joggers, I'd be out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
That would be good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
You know, I'm pretty simple.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Lying because I would buy probably a lot more things.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
But I would probably get see and tickets to the Tigers.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
It's just going to say that Tigers. That's a lot
of games, man, I know, sorry to buy some friends
to go with you too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Half their games are at other stadiums. Yeah, and I
might travel to some of those on occasion to go
to games as well. But so it's not quite as
you know, as extreme as you think. It's only like
eighty eighty one home games a year, okay, and then
of course you add in the eight or nine Lions
home games a.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Year, so right you would you would need to do that?

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Of course?

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Yeah, you could afford to pay someone to go to
the games and tell you that happens.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Doesn't seem quite the same. Yeah, but I guess I could.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
We could hire Keith Morrison to come to the podcast
with good.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
You think, Yeah, that would be pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Who would you want? Would you want Keith? Or who's
your favorite dateline person? I mean, we're just going off
on too many tangents right now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Oh we are. It's Keith.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Everyone everyone knows if you're going to pick one Dateline host.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
No offense to the others.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
They're all lovely, but Keith. Only you like him as
much as Keith. No way, I mean it's close.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Really, I haven't actually, we haven't watched Dayline in a while. Well,
thank you so much for listening to this episode. We
hope you enjoyed it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:13):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
I thought it was fascinating and I had no knowledge
of this case before.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Will you watch the Netflix documentary?

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
I would like to watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Yeah, I told you everything in it, but go ahead.
If you don't trust me, check check your.

Speaker 5 (01:18:28):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Episode until next time.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Don't kill your wife and Don't kill your husband.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
The topick

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
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