July 4, 2025 • 39 mins
The Dolly Oesterreich case is one of the most bizarre and sensational true crime stories of the early 20th century. Walburga “Dolly” Oesterreich was a Milwaukee housewife married to a wealthy textile manufacturer, Fred Oesterreich. On the surface, she appeared to live a conventional life, but behind closed doors, her world was anything but ordinary. Dolly had a complicated personal life that eventually led to a shocking crime. The investigation that followed revealed a tangled web of secrets, deception, and relationships that defied social norms and legal boundaries. What began as a puzzling death soon unraveled into a story so strange that even seasoned detectives struggled to believe it.
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- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez31LGkrvG0&t=2729s
- https://www.thevintagenews.com/2022/11/14/dolly-oesterreich/
- https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/116235401/walburga_barbara-hedrick
- https://murderpedia.org/female.O/o/oesterreich-walburga.htm
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- https://allthatsinteresting.com/dolly-oesterreich
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Tina and I'm rich. If there's one thing
we've learned in over twenty years of marriage.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's some days you'll feel like killing your.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Wife and some days you'll feel like killing your husband.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to a bonus episode of Love Mary Kill Ki to.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Your way friends, your.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Happy birthday, America, Happy Birthday America. How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
How are you happy to have a day off?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I am happy to have a three day weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, it's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I had you play that opening music today, be Kind
to your web Footed Friends, which is a parody of
Star and Stripes Forever, reminds me of my grandpa. I
don't know if I've ever told you this before. My
grandpa used to sing that song all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Really, it was just always.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
You know, a tune he was whistling. And my grandpa,
my mom's dad, was just really special to me growing up.
And he had two of his toes on both feet
were webs. Oh wow, Have I ever told you that before?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And it's a family trait. Like my sister hers don't
go up as far as my grandpa's did. I think
mine are completely normal. But it's just kind of a
kind of a funny trait that some.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
People have that is interesting. I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, thank you to our listener Monica for recommending this
case today. It's a really interesting and even though someone
gets murdered, it's kind of a fun case. And I
was going to do it for a Patrion episode, but
I just couldn't get enough to get to an hour,
so I thought, oh, why not just release it as
a bonus episode. And I think this episode will be
a little bit lighter and maybe appropriate for a family
(01:58):
listening while you're on your way home from your Fourth
of July festivities. So I hope everyone enjoys this episode.
But I love the fourth of Independence Day or the
fourth of July. I think it's a great holiday.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Why do you love it so much?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I just think it's nice that you don't have to
buy anyone a gift. You just show up with food
and there's fireworks.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's pretty chill. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, it's just more of a relaxing day.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I thought you were going to say you like it
so much because of the hot dog eating competition.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Well, it's no secret that I love the hot dog
eating competition. And I think it's actually going to be
going on as we're recording this. Joey Chestnut, who.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You know, back.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
He's back. It's a major deal for.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
People who don't follow this quite as closely as we do.
There was some kind of contractual dispute and.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
He well, he had an endorsement with.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Impossible Food Atised, which is not exactly Nathan's hot Dogs.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Said no, we don't like that. So I think that
Joey has a lot to prove this year. I think
he's going to come back stronger than ever. Joey's only
forty one years old. He really he looks a little
little older, had.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
A lot of years left in his eating career.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
So Nathan's famous hot dog competitions started, I believe. The
first time was in nineteen seventy two, of course at
Coney Island, but a Polish immigrant named Nathan Handworker started
the original hot dog stand in Coney Island in nineteen seventeen.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Nineteen seventeen, okay, the.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
First official competition took place on Independence Day, like I said,
in nineteen seventy two. Jason Scheckter was the inaugural champion
at the time in a mixed gender field. I don't
know how many he ate. I wish I knew that.
But Joey, his record is seventy.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Three, and that's in ten minutes, right.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
In ten minutes. Yes, and you can so insane that
you can if you want, you can put condiments on
your hot dog. That's not against the rules, but I
imagine would want to take the time to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That's so weird too. They put like they eat the
buns and the hot dogs separately, and they soak the
buns in water to make it easier to go.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
That part of it makes it so gross to me.
I wish they could.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It's pretty gross.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, the whole thing is really disgusting, but I love
it for whatever reason. So what is your guest for today?
How many hot dogs do you think?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I'm sorry, what did you say? The record was seventy
seventy three. I think I think he's going to get
a new record. I'm going to say seventy five.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I'm going to go with eighty one each. I know,
seems high. So wow, we'll see who is the winner here.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
All right, We'll see.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I don't know if it's like this everywhere. I'm pretty
sure it's not, But in Michigan, fireworks are pretty legal.
Like in late May or early June, there's ten surrected everywhere,
and you can buy a bunch of fireworks. Yeah, I
am pro firework, but I am anti buying fireworks and
letting them off yourself. I'm always really not very much
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fun when I'm like, nope, no one can buy fireworks.
I don't want to see them set off. You know,
you're a professional.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, where we live now, it's not quite as bad,
but the subdivision we used to live in, like it
was like a war zone.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, people were pretty bad here too. You're not supposed to,
but people still do.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
People would just like our whole our whole neighborhood was
like people just shooting off fireworks.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Non.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I do think it's super dangerous and I know I'm
no fun and just be safe.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I mean it is. It's very like a lot of
people get hurt with fireworks, so it's definitely important to
maintain safety.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I did make you a snack, and it's a fourth
of July snack. It's kind of a fail. I have
a I kind of made it up on my own.
We didn't really make it up, but I was like,
I'm gonna take a Golden Gram cereal and I'm going
to make a small tree. So I used a couple
of sticks of butter and a bag of marshmallows, and
then I put too much stuff in it, as I
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tend to do. Can you see, like the I put
patriotic eminem's in it, and I put too many m
and ms, so they's.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's a lot of stuff in it.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And then I used those chocolate chunks and they didn't all.
I think I needed more marshmallow.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Golden Gram cereals used to be when I was growing up.
That was one of my favorites. I loved Golden Grams.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You know, I don't think I think I've only had
it in making recipes like this, but yeah, it's really yummy.
So if you want to try it real quick.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So that was like breakfast because it's made with breakfast cereal.
What did you need to do? Like it?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It was not a fail in my book. It was
really good.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I mean I should use the full bag of marshmallows.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I didn't look the back like it looked a little
bit of a mess, but the taste of it was excellent.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well good, I'm glad you liked it. On the night
of August twenty second, nineteen twenty two, that's our wedding anniversary,
and that's the year that we got married.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Right somewhere around there.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
The wealthy neighborhood of North Andrews Boulevard and Los Angeles
was jolted awake by the sound of gunfire three shots
just after midnight, coming from the grand home of Fred
and Walburga or Dolly Oosterike Walburga.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That is quite a name.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, well that's why she went by, Dolly. Police arrived
at the mansion to a scene straight out of a
Who Done It. Fred Oasterike was found lying dead on
the living room floor, splayed across an oriental rug, like
a man who'd been trying to protect his home and wife. Upstairs,
officers heard frantic banging and cries for help. They followed
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the noise to find Dolly locked in her bedroom closet,
disheveled and distressed. The key to the closet was sitting
innocently on a nearby table. Dolly was shaken tearful as
she told police the house had been robbed. The thief
locked her in the closet before she could get a
good look at him. It certainly looked the part some
drawers had been rummaged through. Fred's expensive watch was missing,
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along with some cash. The police bought it a robbery
gone wrong. They thought something didn't sit right for starters,
who locks the lady of the house in a closet
and neatly leaves the key behind? And more importantly, why
didn't anything else seem to be missing? Dolly certainly was
hiding something or someone. While Burga corcial Osterich's early years
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are surrounded in mystery. We can't say for sure where
or when she was born. Dolly Is she preferred to
be called, may have been born in the US or Germany,
but we do know that she was born in eighteen
eighty to German immigrant parents, and that she grew up
in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in a neighborhood among other German immigrants.
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From a young age. People were drawn to charismatic Dolly.
She was bright, outgoing and pretty. While researching this case,
I tried my best to get it right, but because
the story is so old, I read a lot of
thank you to newspapers dot com. It's really fun to
go back and look at articles from you know, nineteen
hundred or whatever. But some of the information conflicted. And
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I read a novella about the story, and there's just
a lot of conflicting information.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, that happens a lot with those older cases.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, but I think I have the nuts and bolts right.
Dolly's family was struggling to make ends meet, so at
the tender age of twelve, Dolly was forced to quit
school and get a job. She found work at a
textile mill owned by the Oasterich family. Read Oasterike born
in Chicago in eighteen seventy seven, was the heir to
the family's fortune. He met Dolly at the mill and
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was instantly intrigued by the precocious young girl. Can you
get your Canada control over there?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He's really into this story.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
The Oasterikes, who had also migrated from Germany, owned several businesses.
Despite her young age, she and Fred began dating.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
How old were they when they started dating.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I'm not exactly sure how old they were when they
started dating. She was twelve when she started working at
the factory, so in my mind, I'm hoping that they
didn't date until she was older. Yeah, when Dolly turned seventeen,
she and Fred married. Dolly was happy to leave her
troubled family behind for the wealth, stability, and comfort Fred
offered her. They were very happy together in the beginning.
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Dolly and Fred were a good team. She helped him
grow the family businesses, often suggesting new business ventures like
manufacturing aprons, which became the cornerstone of the business. Dolly
was kind and gentle with the workers at the textile mill,
contrasting Fred's rude and brusque manner. But with his financial
success came more responsibility in longer hours. To cope with
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the stress of work, Fred turned to alcohol. Dolly grew
lonely and often found herself eating dinner by herself at
a big table while Fred worked through the night. Dolly
became pregnant in the year nineteen hundred at age twenty,
and gave birth to a son named Raymond, but he
died when he was nine years old, adding to Dolly's
misery and loneliness. While Fred died deeper into his work
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and the bottle That's said Yeah. Craving the attention of
love she no longer received from her husband, Dolly began
seeing other men and carried out multiple affairs. Fred didn't
even seem to notice. And if he did, he didn't care.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
In nineteen thirteen, a seventeen year old orphaned boy named
Otto sand Huber caught Dolly's eye one day when she
was visiting the textile factory. Otto repaired sewing machines and
did other odd jobs for Fred. Dolly called the factory,
feigning problems with her own sewing machine, and asked to
have Otto sent to her home. Dolly, then thirty three,
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answered the door wearing only a silk robe, garters and stockings.
Otto was overwhelmed with desire for the older woman, and
the two began a torrid affair. First they met in hotels,
but as time passed without Fred detecting anything, she became
more brazen and the affair continued. At the oaster Reich's home.
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Otto was at her call. When the neighbor questioned Dolly
who this young man was that she constantly saw at
her house. She told the nosy woman that it was
her half brother, who was a vagabond and constantly bothered
her for food and money. Dolly had underestimated how curious
bored housewives could be and decided that she and Otto
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needed to be more careful. She hatched a plan that
she thought was brilliant. Otto could move into the attic
of their large home. Fred would never notice, and then
she could have her young lover whenever she wanted. By
this point, Otto was desperately in love with Dolly and
thought it was a fabulous idea, even if it meant
that he would have to quit his job and drop
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out of his life to be stowed away in a
dark and dusty attic. He really didn't like working anyway.
Gives new meaning to the term being a kept man.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Basically a prisoner. Dolly put a bed and a writing
desk in the attic. The attic was sweltering in the
summer and freezing in the winter, not an ideal place
to live at all, but Otto wanted to be as
close to Dolly as possible. Otto had dreams of becoming
a pulp fiction writer. He romanticized wiling away the hours
in the attic, reading and writing by candlelight, dreaming up
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plots for short stories and books. In addition to making
love to Dolly several times a day while Fred was
at work, Otto tidied the house, made the beds, cooked, cleaned,
and even brewed bootleg gin. The attic was right above
the primary bedroom. There was a panel in the closet
with access to the attic, very convenient. Dolly took good
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care of Otto, bringing him food and little treats. She
went to the library each week and selected books for
him that he would read by candlelight. As Fred lay below,
snoring away, oblivious to what was going on under his.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Nose, I'm just curious. I'm not asking for any reason,
but I know there's access to our attic in the garage.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Don't go up there, Okay, was there in our bedroom? Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Pretty typically right. Yeah, I've never been up there. Maybe
I should.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I have only poked my head up there. But it's
not it's not a very inviting attic. It's not like, yeah,
it's not like a place you.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Would Dolly's attic was very inviting either.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
That's kind of wild. It sounds crazy, but this arrangement
lasted for over five years.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Fred was busy and distracted, but not entirely oblivious. He
noticed that the leftover chicken would be gone before he'd
had a chance to make a sandwich. His cigars seemed
to be disappearing faster than he was smoking.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Now Otto was smoking Fred's cigars. That's not cool.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Dolly vanished into thin air sometimes, and he constantly heard
voices and unexplained noises. He started to question his sanity.
Dolly suggested he pay a visit to his doctor.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Fred.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
The doctor assessed him and declared him healthy. His wife
suggested that he should stop drinking and maybe things would
become clearer. After Fred opened a new factory in Los
Angeles in nineteen seventeen, he suggested they move there. Fred
didn't want to admit it, but their home in Milwaukee
was creeping him out. Sure it was. When they went
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to look for houses in La Dolly was insisted that
she wanted a house with an attic, which is rare
in California, or was at that time anyway. Fred didn't
understand why Dolly needed an attic in her house, but
he wasn't one to question her. Eventually, Fred did find
a lovely mansion with an attic on Sunset Boulevard. The
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attic again had access through the primary bedroom's closet. Otto
agreed to move across the country with Dolly. He was
excited for the opportunity and couldn't stand the thought of
being parted from her. The arrangement suited him just fine.
He set out for la before Dolly and Fred, so
he could settle himself into the attic Otto's writing career
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was actually going well. He'd been paid for several of
his stories and was working on a novel. Fred became
worried when the odd occurrences and noises followed them to
Los Angeles. He really thought he was losing his marbles.
He sank deeper into the bottle, depressed that his grasp
on reality was so tenuous. His increased drinking further deteriorated
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his relationship with Dolly, and their fights became louder and
more aggressive. Otto overheard the arguments, and he didn't like
it one bit. He wanted to protect Dolly, but she
reminded him that he needed to stay hidden. She could
handle Fred, she insisted. But on August twenty second, nineteen
twenty two, after coming home from a party, Fred was
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in a particularly rancorous mood. The couple started their usual bickering,
but as it intensified, Otto could hear the fighting from
his perch grow increasingly angrier. He was afraid that Fred
would harm his beloved. He crawled through the hole in
the closet and then ran down the stairs to the
living room to confront his rival. You can imagine Fred's
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surprise when he saw the strange man coming down the
stairs with two small guns aimed at him. The guns
were twenty five caliber. And I know neither of us
are really good with guns, but do you know what
a twenty five caliber is?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Hey, don, I've never heard of that. I've heard of
twenty two calibers, So assume it's a little bit bigger.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
They're really tiny, Like it's like the size of your palm,
Like you can fit in your hand. Gotcha. It was
then that Fred recognized Otto as a young man who
had worked for him years earlier. It all suddenly became
clear to him. Otto had been the cause of the
noises and not occurrences that had been plaguing him for
the past ten years.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I can't even imagine that moment of clarity in Fred's mind,
where it just all all the pieces came together. It
was like, oh my god, I was not going crazy
all these years.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, well, to see you think it's just you and
your wife and your house at all, sid this man
comes down the stairs, not through the front door. Yeah,
it must have been a huge shock. Fred began swinging
furiously at Otto, shocked at his work's betrayal. But these
would be Fred's final thoughts. Shots rang out and echoed
through the air. Otto fired three bullets, two into Fred's
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chest and one into the back of his head, killing
him immediately.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Dolly and Otto knew they needed to act fast before
the neighbors called the police. They decided their best course
of action would be to stage a burglary. They left
Fred on the living room floor. Otto took the guns, cash,
some of Dolly's jewelry, and Fred's diamond watch up to
the attic, and then locked Dolly in the closet. When
the police arrived, they were flummixed. The house was full
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of valuables, but the thief had only taken Fred's watch
and some cash. Why would the thief kill Fred over
so little? They let Dolly out of the closet. Suspicion
quickly fell on her. But how had she locked herself
in the closet. The police felt that she wasn't telling
the whole truth.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
How had Otto locked her into the closet and then
gone back up to the attic. There must have been
another way up into the attic. Two, maybe into one.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
The entrance to the attic was through the closet.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah, there must have been another entrance to the attic.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
A yeah, that would make sense. Dolly was taken to
the jail to be questioned and she was arrested, but
later the charges were dropped against her because of the
weak evidence. One fingerprint was found on the doorknob of
the closet. It wasn't Dolly's or Fred's, but it was
lost later by law enforcement. It was later learned that
the DA ordered Dolly's fingerprints be destroyed in nineteen twenty three. Reportedly,
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officials led Dolly dry for eight years under the threat
of arrest and incarceration.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Dolly has a lot of money at this point, and
I think that she had to pay a lot of
people off to keep out of jail.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Okay, we'll be back after a break. Fred's will was
allegedly destroyed in the attic. Inherited Fred's vast fortune at
the time valued at seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
which is fourteen million dollars today.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
So I read varying accounts of how much money Dolly
was worth and some accounts said millions, and I don't
know if that meant adjusted for inflation or you know,
Fred had seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars and he
willed it to her, but the value of his businesses
was millions of dollars. But regardless, she was pretty much
she was very well off.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Now that Fred was out of the picture, Dolly and
Otto didn't have to hide anymore. Dolly purchased a new
home that also happened to have an attic, so used
to their arrangement, Otto chose to once again reside in
the attic and continue writing pulp fiction, but now because
he didn't have to worry about Fred finding out about him,
he bought a typewriter and was able to clack the
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night away. Dolly supported his writing, helping him develop his
plots and even edited his work.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Just really funny to me that Otto chose to go
back into to the attic. Yeah, you really must have
liked it up there, I guess, so. Yeah, and he
has access to I'm sure Dolly, you know, she could
have given him anything at this point, because I think
she really did love him, But he's just like, no,
just I'll just take a typewriter.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
And it sounds like in all these years he probably
didn't go out much either, right, because he couldn't be
seen by neighbors, so he really like didn't he lived
in this little attic all the time. Dolly took on
a new lover, her lawyer, Herman Shapiro. Boy, poor Otto.
I can't believe she did. Otto like that Herman had
been indispensable and getting the murder charges dropped against her.
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Dolly was so enamored with her new bo that she
gave him a valuable diamond watch. Even though she had
great wealth, it seemed silly to purchase a new diamond
watch when she still had Fred's stowed away up in
the attic. Herman was a sharp fellow, however, and was
instantly aware that the gifted watch was the one that
had allegedly been stolen by the thieves who killed Fred.
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When he confronted her about this, she explained that she
had been wrong about the watch being stolen. It had
simply been misplaced.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Do you think Otto was like, Dolly, where's my diamond watch?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Probably a critical mistake, It would turn out. Hermann loved Dolly,
but he was a busy man. Dolly needed constant attention,
so she added another man to her lineup.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I think Dolly had a lot, like we're going to
talk about a few, but she had a lot of men.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
In her life, did she.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Roy Clumb was her new paramore. He was a businessman
and aspiring actor. Dolly had three men completely wrapped around
her fingers. Roy especially was ary, smitten and a little naive.
When Dolly asked him to do a favor for her,
he was more than willing. She told her she had
a gun she needed him to get rid of for her,
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not the one that had been used to kill Fred,
but it happened to be the exact same make and
model as a so called burglar's weapon. With the police
sniffing around, she figured it probably wasn't the best idea
to have this gun lying around the house.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
That doesn't sound very likely to me, you don't think.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So Roy threw the gun into the Librea tarpits. Soon after,
Dolly grew tired of him and broke things off. There
was a second gun that she asked a neighbor to
bury in his yard, and he agreed. He buried it
under a rose bush. I know it sounds ridiculous, but
she did approach these two different men and asked them
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to get rid of the guns for her.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I don't know why she didn't ask Roy to just
get rid of both of them, or.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Why she didn't just do it herself. Do you give
these things to other people and it's going to end
up coming out one way or another.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Very good point. Soon someone noticed how similar herman's watch
was to Fred's watch. They tipped the police off, and
once again they began to watch Dolly. Roy, angry about
Dolly breaking off their relationship, went to the police and
told them about the gun he the tarpits. When Dolly's
Neighborhod buried the gun in his rose garden saw the
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news on the front page of the newspaper, he dug
up the pistol he'd buried for Dolly and brought it
to the police station. Police were also able to locate
the gun in the tarpit. The problem was that both
of the guns were in rough shape, rusted, and impossible
to tell if they were the actual murder weapon. Still,
authorities believed they had enough evidence to arrest Dolly. Otto
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remained hidden in the attic, still unknown to the police.
When herman went to visit her in jail. Dolly pleaded
with him to go to her house. She explained that
her stepbrother was in her attic and asked him to
go check on him and bring him some food. She said, quote,
go and take some food to my house, leave it
on the floor in my bedroom, and scratch on the
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wall near the dresser. Tell no one. Herman did as
he was told. He was shocked when Otto emerged from
the closet. He was thin, pale, as if he hadn't
seen the sun in years. Herman had interrupted Otto as
he was writing a story about Fred's murder and the attic,
portraying himself as the hero. According to the affidavit, the
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two men became fast friends. Otto revealed the truth to herman.
He wasn't Dolly's stepbrother, but her lover of many years,
and he had been the gunman who killed Fred Osterich.
Herman didn't turn him in, but Otto was horrified that
Dolly was in jail for a crime he committed. He
went to the police station and turned himself in immediately
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so she could be free again. Because he was used
in never seeing the sun and living in a small space,
how much worse.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Could prison be a very good point?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I'm just kidding. Otto was terrified at the thought of
going to jail. He packed his typewriter and his few
belongings and went to Canada, where he changed his name
to Walter Klein and later married a woman. I don't
know if Otto continued to live in attics.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I bet he.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Do you think so? DOLLI frequently sent Otto money in
Canada until he later reappeared in Los Angeles and told
her that he couldn't live without her as Luck would have.
But the charges weren't strong enough, and Dolly was released
from jail. Herman moved in with her until nineteen thirty
when they had an ugly breakup. He went to the
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police and told them everything he knew, including Otto living
in Dolly's attic for a decade, which resulted in her
being arrested again for conspiracy. Police tracked Auto down in Canada.
The newspapers really loved the wild story and coined Otto
the ghost in the Garrett and Batman. Batman first appeared
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in comics in nineteen thirty nine. So I'm wondering if Otto.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Might have been the inspiration forman Do you think so? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Herman alleged that Dalli and Otto had burned Fred's original will.
He claimed that Dolly was will a third of the estate,
with another third going to the Christian Science Church and
another third going to the manager of the textile factory.
I don't believe there's any proof that a will was
actually burned. Otto was arrested. He took the police to
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the very attic where he had lived for so many years.
He told them that Dolly had kept him there as
a sex slave for over ten years, although he really
had loved her deeply. He explained that he had killed Fred,
but it was in self defense. Quote. I thought from
Missus oster Rich's screams that her husband was killing her.
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I grabbed my gun in a rage, and, after climbing
out of my secret room, ran downstairs. I pulled the
trigger and he fell on the floor bleeding. Then I
ran upstairs, badly, frightened by what I had done, and
hid myself in this secret little room. Newspaper descriptions from
that time really make me laugh because they're very specificous.
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They described Otto as quote and under sized man with
a thin face and furtive eyes. When Otto went to trial,
the jury found him guilty not of murder but manslaughter.
Because the statute of limitations had run out on manslaughter,
Otto forty was freed. Dolly fifty six went to trial
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in nineteen thirty six. She still had heaps of money
and hired high powered attorneys to represent her. She claimed
she had only lied to protect Otto, she had nothing
to do with Fred's murder and had not planned it.
Dolly's jury was hung. The state of California realized that
their case was too weak to move forward and drop
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the charges against Dolly. A year later, Dolly met a
man named ray Bert Hedrick. He was her companion for
nearly thirty years. They remained together until Dolly's death in
nineteen sixty one. They married five days before her death.
She was eighty one.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
So they were together for thirty years and never married
and then they got married five days. Yes, strange, Well
maybe she maybe there was all like a legal reason,
like she wanted him to inherit her wealth or something.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
And wouldn't she just leave it?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Will know?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I don't know, I don't speculating.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Dolly's story inspired two films, The Bliss of Missus Blossom
and a made for TV movie starring a very young
Neil Patrick Harris, the man in the attic in the
movie Dolly and Otto are Christa and Edward and we
have a clip. Edward.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Please just stay with Edward if someone sees us.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Please please. You don't know how much I've missed you.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I don't know, Krista being without you. You're all I
can think of, and when I do, I can't breathe,
I panic, and I can't see.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That's exactly how I feel. You've shown me what's possible
in life. I can't go back to the way it was, Krista.
I have no job, no no place to stay. Once
this once runs, Listen, I know a place with free
room and board where Joe will never find you and
we can be together as much as we want. There
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is no such place, Yes there is, there is. So
what do you think We could clean it up and
put a mattress here for you and I'd live here
in the attic only when Joe is home. The rest
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of the time the house is ours. You'll find out.
How could he? I let Mary go. You and I
can do the work that needs to be done. The
neighbors they never come round. Of course, you couldn't be
seen coming or going? Where would I want to go?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
My life is with you.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
The house would be our sanctuary.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I watched that clip because you send it to me
to care and I had no idea that was Neil Patrick.
Now that you said it, Oh yeah, of course that was.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I mean he's a baby. Yeah, it seems like it's
right after Dogie his doogie howser years. I had to
watch a fair bit of to get a good clip.
It's just lovely, beautiful acting there nice and that's how
we'll spend the rest of our Independence day in the attic.
No watching that great move. Okay, it's on YouTube and
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we will post a link. Oh boy again. There were
varying accounts of how many homes that Otto moved with
dollly Tube. I think there was as many as seven
times they moved, and Otto each time went to the attic.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
So wild and how many like how many years all together?
Like ten years or more? He was sort of living
in the attic.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Wow. Why do you think Otto liked the attic so much?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well, I think he wanted to be close to the
love of his life. But he probably also liked if
you're a writer, like you want peace and quiet and
somewhere you can you know, be doing your work, and
he probably he probably enjoyed having that little space. You know.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
It just sounds like it would be really hot in
the summer and really cold in the winter.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I don't know, yeah for sure, but you know, back
then people didn't have air conditioning anyway, so you were
kind of more used to being like hot and cold.
So maybe it just wasn't that big of a deal.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's probably true, so Fred was shot in self defense.
Why did they just tell the police that?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I mean I think the whole thing with her lover
living in the attic for ten years would have been
a pretty weird story to have to tell the police.
So maybe they just didn't want to get into.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
That whole or do you think it could have been plotted?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I mean maybe, but it seems like they had a
kind of a good thing going. So why would they
you know, why would they do that? Really? I don't
It doesn't seem like there was any reason for it.
He had lived there for ten years and no end
in sight, so why not just keep doing it?
Speaker 1 (32:54):
A lot of interesting psychological ramifications in this In this case, right,
Dolly had lost her son and you know, was Otto
kind of a replacement.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah, he was like seventeen when they met.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
She was in her thirties, right, Yeah, and I think
he was just a few years older than what her
son would have been at the time. Yeah, and Otto
was orphaned, So maybe he was looking for a maternal
figure in Dolly and that's why she was so important
to him.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, he might be onto something there.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I have one more important question for you. Is Batman
a superhero?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Obviously, I really adamantly disagree. A superhero is someone who
has a superpower, like a super strength, like Superman is
really strong, spider Man has his web capabilities of backup Man.
I don't know what he swim, he swims.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Really fast, says well, I mean Batman didn't have superpowers,
but he was a superhero. Those those are two different things.
You can use your superpowers to be a superhero or I.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Mean he did good things.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
He was definitely a hero, and I think he's a hero.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
But he's superhero. So in my opinion, he's just like
a wealthy guy who bought a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
He was brilliant, he had well he was we had
a super brain that allowed him to invent really cool
gadgets and things.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
So under that definition, then you're a superhero because you're
a smart guy.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, but I don't really use my powers for good.
So I think Batman, I think being a superhero is
independent of having a superpower.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Well, Chad, Shept agreed with you because I asked him
and said, Batman is considered a superhero. But he's a
bit of a he's a bit of a unique case.
He has genius level intellect, peak physical conditioning, mastery of
martial arts and detective work, advanced technology and gadgets, and
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unshakable moral code.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So you are very much I have hardly any of
those things.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
It's actually not true. You don't. Well, I mean, if
you're a genius or not, that's devatable, but you don't
have martial arts. He has Marshall Arts training. I don't
remember that part.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
He was very good at fighting, so I guess he
must have had some sort of training, but I don't
know exactly what the discipline was.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
We should maybe build a cave under our house. We
should when we're building the swimming pool, we can, you know,
just keep going kill. Yesterday I was out running errands,
and this always just baffles me. I was in a
bathroom in a public restroom, and the amount of people
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that I hear talking on their cell phone when they're
in a bathroom stall is shocking to me. I'm not kidding. Like,
almost every time I'm in a public restroom, I hear
someone on their phone, Like in the stall.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I hear it all the time.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, do you ever talk to anyone?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Ever ever done that? I will text.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I'm just gonna call you out in that because last
week I was walking down the stairs and I had
just received a text from you.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I sent you something funny. I found her something you
was But it.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Was just so funny because I was just like, you
just texted me on the toilet.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
You like, yeah, yes, But I would never talk on
the phone.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I wouldn't either were.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
In the bathroom. I just think that's too weird. But
I see it all the time too, when I'm in
public restrooms. It's very common.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Okay, this is kind of gross. But a couple of
weeks ago, I was in a restroom. There's these two
ladies and they were like, you know, side by side
on the stalls, and it was like the one lady
was like, hell, and what are you doing in there
allan you were a cross.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
They were talking to each other.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, no one was. You know, she had some gas
or something.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It's like a scene out of Harold and Kumar.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I'm not sure I get that reference in.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
The first Harold and Kumar movie, which has Neil Patrick Harrison.
It kind of made me think.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Of that he makes Connects movies and.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
A really gross scene where there's two two girls or
two women, young women in toilet stalls next to each other.
I'm not going to go in any more detail because
it's pretty gross scene.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
But that's just about white Castle. Just say, Harold and
who are like I need? White Castle was a good movie.
The first one was really good. I think did they
get increasingly where I think? Yeah, I think the first
one felt really unique. Yeah, well that was really we.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Just I don't know how we went there, but yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
We only have White Castle probably every five years, so
it might be the day. All well, I hope everyone
has a happy and save Fourth of July. Leave the
fireworks to an expert or.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Such a curmudgeon.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
The guy who's drink drink I just want I don't
want anyone.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, we don't want anyone. Just be careful. If you're
going to use fire just be careful.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Don't get really drunk like dynamite, and you know the
things that you put into their they're unstable. That the
whole definition of a fire is like it's an unstable
stable you know.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I think you can be safe using fireworks, just a
lot of people are very careless, and a lot of
people drink a lot, and that just leads to bad things.
So yeah, use your fireworks, but just be careful. That's
all I would that's my advice.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Well, our local weather man, Dave Rex, Yeah, I just
feel really bad for him.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Well, thank you again Monica for recommending this case. It
was definitely one that I enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It was an interesting one.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, until next time, don't kill your wife and don't
kill your husband.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
To us midnight on the ocean on the day I
married him. He didn't know his name was spread That's
why I called him Jim. We settled down in London, France,
beside the Pyramids and raised a little family of crazy,
mixed up kids.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Oh, be kind to your web for the friends or
a duck may be somebody's mother. Be kind to the
denizen of the swamp. He's a delayed true and food.
You may think that this is the end, where it
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is
Hi, I'm Tina and I'm rich. If there's one thing
we've learned in over twenty years of marriage.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's some days you'll feel like killing your.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Wife and some days you'll feel like killing your husband.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome to a bonus episode of Love Mary Kill Ki to.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Your way friends, your.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Happy birthday, America, Happy Birthday America. How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
How are you happy to have a day off?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I am happy to have a three day weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, it's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I had you play that opening music today, be Kind
to your web Footed Friends, which is a parody of
Star and Stripes Forever, reminds me of my grandpa. I
don't know if I've ever told you this before. My
grandpa used to sing that song all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Really, it was just always.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
You know, a tune he was whistling. And my grandpa,
my mom's dad, was just really special to me growing up.
And he had two of his toes on both feet
were webs. Oh wow, Have I ever told you that before?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And it's a family trait. Like my sister hers don't
go up as far as my grandpa's did. I think
mine are completely normal. But it's just kind of a
kind of a funny trait that some.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
People have that is interesting. I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, thank you to our listener Monica for recommending this
case today. It's a really interesting and even though someone
gets murdered, it's kind of a fun case. And I
was going to do it for a Patrion episode, but
I just couldn't get enough to get to an hour,
so I thought, oh, why not just release it as
a bonus episode. And I think this episode will be
a little bit lighter and maybe appropriate for a family
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listening while you're on your way home from your Fourth
of July festivities. So I hope everyone enjoys this episode.
But I love the fourth of Independence Day or the
fourth of July. I think it's a great holiday.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Why do you love it so much?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I just think it's nice that you don't have to
buy anyone a gift. You just show up with food
and there's fireworks.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's pretty chill. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, it's just more of a relaxing day.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I thought you were going to say you like it
so much because of the hot dog eating competition.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Well, it's no secret that I love the hot dog
eating competition. And I think it's actually going to be
going on as we're recording this. Joey Chestnut, who.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
You know, back.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
He's back. It's a major deal for.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
People who don't follow this quite as closely as we do.
There was some kind of contractual dispute and.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
He well, he had an endorsement with.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Impossible Food Atised, which is not exactly Nathan's hot Dogs.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Said no, we don't like that. So I think that
Joey has a lot to prove this year. I think
he's going to come back stronger than ever. Joey's only
forty one years old. He really he looks a little
little older, had.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
A lot of years left in his eating career.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
So Nathan's famous hot dog competitions started, I believe. The
first time was in nineteen seventy two, of course at
Coney Island, but a Polish immigrant named Nathan Handworker started
the original hot dog stand in Coney Island in nineteen seventeen.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Nineteen seventeen, okay, the.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
First official competition took place on Independence Day, like I said,
in nineteen seventy two. Jason Scheckter was the inaugural champion
at the time in a mixed gender field. I don't
know how many he ate. I wish I knew that.
But Joey, his record is seventy.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Three, and that's in ten minutes, right.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
In ten minutes. Yes, and you can so insane that
you can if you want, you can put condiments on
your hot dog. That's not against the rules, but I
imagine would want to take the time to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That's so weird too. They put like they eat the
buns and the hot dogs separately, and they soak the
buns in water to make it easier to go.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
That part of it makes it so gross to me.
I wish they could.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It's pretty gross.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, the whole thing is really disgusting, but I love
it for whatever reason. So what is your guest for today?
How many hot dogs do you think?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I'm sorry, what did you say? The record was seventy
seventy three. I think I think he's going to get
a new record. I'm going to say seventy five.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I'm going to go with eighty one each. I know,
seems high. So wow, we'll see who is the winner here.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
All right, We'll see.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I don't know if it's like this everywhere. I'm pretty
sure it's not, But in Michigan, fireworks are pretty legal.
Like in late May or early June, there's ten surrected everywhere,
and you can buy a bunch of fireworks. Yeah, I
am pro firework, but I am anti buying fireworks and
letting them off yourself. I'm always really not very much
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fun when I'm like, nope, no one can buy fireworks.
I don't want to see them set off. You know,
you're a professional.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, where we live now, it's not quite as bad,
but the subdivision we used to live in, like it
was like a war zone.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, people were pretty bad here too. You're not supposed to,
but people still do.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
People would just like our whole our whole neighborhood was
like people just shooting off fireworks.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Non.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I do think it's super dangerous and I know I'm
no fun and just be safe.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I mean it is. It's very like a lot of
people get hurt with fireworks, so it's definitely important to
maintain safety.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I did make you a snack, and it's a fourth
of July snack. It's kind of a fail. I have
a I kind of made it up on my own.
We didn't really make it up, but I was like,
I'm gonna take a Golden Gram cereal and I'm going
to make a small tree. So I used a couple
of sticks of butter and a bag of marshmallows, and
then I put too much stuff in it, as I
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tend to do. Can you see, like the I put
patriotic eminem's in it, and I put too many m
and ms, so they's.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's a lot of stuff in it.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And then I used those chocolate chunks and they didn't all.
I think I needed more marshmallow.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Golden Gram cereals used to be when I was growing up.
That was one of my favorites. I loved Golden Grams.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You know, I don't think I think I've only had
it in making recipes like this, but yeah, it's really yummy.
So if you want to try it real quick.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So that was like breakfast because it's made with breakfast cereal.
What did you need to do? Like it?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It was not a fail in my book. It was
really good.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I mean I should use the full bag of marshmallows.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I didn't look the back like it looked a little
bit of a mess, but the taste of it was excellent.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well good, I'm glad you liked it. On the night
of August twenty second, nineteen twenty two, that's our wedding anniversary,
and that's the year that we got married.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Right somewhere around there.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
The wealthy neighborhood of North Andrews Boulevard and Los Angeles
was jolted awake by the sound of gunfire three shots
just after midnight, coming from the grand home of Fred
and Walburga or Dolly Oosterike Walburga.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That is quite a name.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, well that's why she went by, Dolly. Police arrived
at the mansion to a scene straight out of a
Who Done It. Fred Oasterike was found lying dead on
the living room floor, splayed across an oriental rug, like
a man who'd been trying to protect his home and wife. Upstairs,
officers heard frantic banging and cries for help. They followed
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the noise to find Dolly locked in her bedroom closet,
disheveled and distressed. The key to the closet was sitting
innocently on a nearby table. Dolly was shaken tearful as
she told police the house had been robbed. The thief
locked her in the closet before she could get a
good look at him. It certainly looked the part some
drawers had been rummaged through. Fred's expensive watch was missing,
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along with some cash. The police bought it a robbery
gone wrong. They thought something didn't sit right for starters,
who locks the lady of the house in a closet
and neatly leaves the key behind? And more importantly, why
didn't anything else seem to be missing? Dolly certainly was
hiding something or someone. While Burga corcial Osterich's early years
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are surrounded in mystery. We can't say for sure where
or when she was born. Dolly Is she preferred to
be called, may have been born in the US or Germany,
but we do know that she was born in eighteen
eighty to German immigrant parents, and that she grew up
in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in a neighborhood among other German immigrants.
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From a young age. People were drawn to charismatic Dolly.
She was bright, outgoing and pretty. While researching this case,
I tried my best to get it right, but because
the story is so old, I read a lot of
thank you to newspapers dot com. It's really fun to
go back and look at articles from you know, nineteen
hundred or whatever. But some of the information conflicted. And
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I read a novella about the story, and there's just
a lot of conflicting information.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, that happens a lot with those older cases.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, but I think I have the nuts and bolts right.
Dolly's family was struggling to make ends meet, so at
the tender age of twelve, Dolly was forced to quit
school and get a job. She found work at a
textile mill owned by the Oasterich family. Read Oasterike born
in Chicago in eighteen seventy seven, was the heir to
the family's fortune. He met Dolly at the mill and
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was instantly intrigued by the precocious young girl. Can you
get your Canada control over there?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He's really into this story.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
The Oasterikes, who had also migrated from Germany, owned several businesses.
Despite her young age, she and Fred began dating.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
How old were they when they started dating.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I'm not exactly sure how old they were when they
started dating. She was twelve when she started working at
the factory, so in my mind, I'm hoping that they
didn't date until she was older. Yeah, when Dolly turned seventeen,
she and Fred married. Dolly was happy to leave her
troubled family behind for the wealth, stability, and comfort Fred
offered her. They were very happy together in the beginning.
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Dolly and Fred were a good team. She helped him
grow the family businesses, often suggesting new business ventures like
manufacturing aprons, which became the cornerstone of the business. Dolly
was kind and gentle with the workers at the textile mill,
contrasting Fred's rude and brusque manner. But with his financial
success came more responsibility in longer hours. To cope with
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the stress of work, Fred turned to alcohol. Dolly grew
lonely and often found herself eating dinner by herself at
a big table while Fred worked through the night. Dolly
became pregnant in the year nineteen hundred at age twenty,
and gave birth to a son named Raymond, but he
died when he was nine years old, adding to Dolly's
misery and loneliness. While Fred died deeper into his work
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and the bottle That's said Yeah. Craving the attention of
love she no longer received from her husband, Dolly began
seeing other men and carried out multiple affairs. Fred didn't
even seem to notice. And if he did, he didn't care.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
In nineteen thirteen, a seventeen year old orphaned boy named
Otto sand Huber caught Dolly's eye one day when she
was visiting the textile factory. Otto repaired sewing machines and
did other odd jobs for Fred. Dolly called the factory,
feigning problems with her own sewing machine, and asked to
have Otto sent to her home. Dolly, then thirty three,
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answered the door wearing only a silk robe, garters and stockings.
Otto was overwhelmed with desire for the older woman, and
the two began a torrid affair. First they met in hotels,
but as time passed without Fred detecting anything, she became
more brazen and the affair continued. At the oaster Reich's home.
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Otto was at her call. When the neighbor questioned Dolly
who this young man was that she constantly saw at
her house. She told the nosy woman that it was
her half brother, who was a vagabond and constantly bothered
her for food and money. Dolly had underestimated how curious
bored housewives could be and decided that she and Otto
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needed to be more careful. She hatched a plan that
she thought was brilliant. Otto could move into the attic
of their large home. Fred would never notice, and then
she could have her young lover whenever she wanted. By
this point, Otto was desperately in love with Dolly and
thought it was a fabulous idea, even if it meant
that he would have to quit his job and drop
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out of his life to be stowed away in a
dark and dusty attic. He really didn't like working anyway.
Gives new meaning to the term being a kept man.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Basically a prisoner. Dolly put a bed and a writing
desk in the attic. The attic was sweltering in the
summer and freezing in the winter, not an ideal place
to live at all, but Otto wanted to be as
close to Dolly as possible. Otto had dreams of becoming
a pulp fiction writer. He romanticized wiling away the hours
in the attic, reading and writing by candlelight, dreaming up
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plots for short stories and books. In addition to making
love to Dolly several times a day while Fred was
at work, Otto tidied the house, made the beds, cooked, cleaned,
and even brewed bootleg gin. The attic was right above
the primary bedroom. There was a panel in the closet
with access to the attic, very convenient. Dolly took good
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care of Otto, bringing him food and little treats. She
went to the library each week and selected books for
him that he would read by candlelight. As Fred lay below,
snoring away, oblivious to what was going on under his.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Nose, I'm just curious. I'm not asking for any reason,
but I know there's access to our attic in the garage.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Don't go up there, Okay, was there in our bedroom? Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Pretty typically right. Yeah, I've never been up there. Maybe
I should.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I have only poked my head up there. But it's
not it's not a very inviting attic. It's not like, yeah,
it's not like a place you.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Would Dolly's attic was very inviting either.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
That's kind of wild. It sounds crazy, but this arrangement
lasted for over five years.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Fred was busy and distracted, but not entirely oblivious. He
noticed that the leftover chicken would be gone before he'd
had a chance to make a sandwich. His cigars seemed
to be disappearing faster than he was smoking.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Now Otto was smoking Fred's cigars. That's not cool.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Dolly vanished into thin air sometimes, and he constantly heard
voices and unexplained noises. He started to question his sanity.
Dolly suggested he pay a visit to his doctor.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Fred.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
The doctor assessed him and declared him healthy. His wife
suggested that he should stop drinking and maybe things would
become clearer. After Fred opened a new factory in Los
Angeles in nineteen seventeen, he suggested they move there. Fred
didn't want to admit it, but their home in Milwaukee
was creeping him out. Sure it was. When they went
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to look for houses in La Dolly was insisted that
she wanted a house with an attic, which is rare
in California, or was at that time anyway. Fred didn't
understand why Dolly needed an attic in her house, but
he wasn't one to question her. Eventually, Fred did find
a lovely mansion with an attic on Sunset Boulevard. The
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attic again had access through the primary bedroom's closet. Otto
agreed to move across the country with Dolly. He was
excited for the opportunity and couldn't stand the thought of
being parted from her. The arrangement suited him just fine.
He set out for la before Dolly and Fred, so
he could settle himself into the attic Otto's writing career
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was actually going well. He'd been paid for several of
his stories and was working on a novel. Fred became
worried when the odd occurrences and noises followed them to
Los Angeles. He really thought he was losing his marbles.
He sank deeper into the bottle, depressed that his grasp
on reality was so tenuous. His increased drinking further deteriorated
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his relationship with Dolly, and their fights became louder and
more aggressive. Otto overheard the arguments, and he didn't like
it one bit. He wanted to protect Dolly, but she
reminded him that he needed to stay hidden. She could
handle Fred, she insisted. But on August twenty second, nineteen
twenty two, after coming home from a party, Fred was
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in a particularly rancorous mood. The couple started their usual bickering,
but as it intensified, Otto could hear the fighting from
his perch grow increasingly angrier. He was afraid that Fred
would harm his beloved. He crawled through the hole in
the closet and then ran down the stairs to the
living room to confront his rival. You can imagine Fred's
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surprise when he saw the strange man coming down the
stairs with two small guns aimed at him. The guns
were twenty five caliber. And I know neither of us
are really good with guns, but do you know what
a twenty five caliber is?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Hey, don, I've never heard of that. I've heard of
twenty two calibers, So assume it's a little bit bigger.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
They're really tiny, Like it's like the size of your palm,
Like you can fit in your hand. Gotcha. It was
then that Fred recognized Otto as a young man who
had worked for him years earlier. It all suddenly became
clear to him. Otto had been the cause of the
noises and not occurrences that had been plaguing him for
the past ten years.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I can't even imagine that moment of clarity in Fred's mind,
where it just all all the pieces came together. It
was like, oh my god, I was not going crazy
all these years.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, well, to see you think it's just you and
your wife and your house at all, sid this man
comes down the stairs, not through the front door. Yeah,
it must have been a huge shock. Fred began swinging
furiously at Otto, shocked at his work's betrayal. But these
would be Fred's final thoughts. Shots rang out and echoed
through the air. Otto fired three bullets, two into Fred's
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chest and one into the back of his head, killing
him immediately.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Dolly and Otto knew they needed to act fast before
the neighbors called the police. They decided their best course
of action would be to stage a burglary. They left
Fred on the living room floor. Otto took the guns, cash,
some of Dolly's jewelry, and Fred's diamond watch up to
the attic, and then locked Dolly in the closet. When
the police arrived, they were flummixed. The house was full
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of valuables, but the thief had only taken Fred's watch
and some cash. Why would the thief kill Fred over
so little? They let Dolly out of the closet. Suspicion
quickly fell on her. But how had she locked herself
in the closet. The police felt that she wasn't telling
the whole truth.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
How had Otto locked her into the closet and then
gone back up to the attic. There must have been
another way up into the attic. Two, maybe into one.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
The entrance to the attic was through the closet.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah, there must have been another entrance to the attic.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
A yeah, that would make sense. Dolly was taken to
the jail to be questioned and she was arrested, but
later the charges were dropped against her because of the
weak evidence. One fingerprint was found on the doorknob of
the closet. It wasn't Dolly's or Fred's, but it was
lost later by law enforcement. It was later learned that
the DA ordered Dolly's fingerprints be destroyed in nineteen twenty three. Reportedly,
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officials led Dolly dry for eight years under the threat
of arrest and incarceration.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Dolly has a lot of money at this point, and
I think that she had to pay a lot of
people off to keep out of jail.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Okay, we'll be back after a break. Fred's will was
allegedly destroyed in the attic. Inherited Fred's vast fortune at
the time valued at seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
which is fourteen million dollars today.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
So I read varying accounts of how much money Dolly
was worth and some accounts said millions, and I don't
know if that meant adjusted for inflation or you know,
Fred had seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars and he
willed it to her, but the value of his businesses
was millions of dollars. But regardless, she was pretty much
she was very well off.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Now that Fred was out of the picture, Dolly and
Otto didn't have to hide anymore. Dolly purchased a new
home that also happened to have an attic, so used
to their arrangement, Otto chose to once again reside in
the attic and continue writing pulp fiction, but now because
he didn't have to worry about Fred finding out about him,
he bought a typewriter and was able to clack the
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night away. Dolly supported his writing, helping him develop his
plots and even edited his work.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Just really funny to me that Otto chose to go
back into to the attic. Yeah, you really must have
liked it up there, I guess, so. Yeah, and he
has access to I'm sure Dolly, you know, she could
have given him anything at this point, because I think
she really did love him, But he's just like, no,
just I'll just take a typewriter.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
And it sounds like in all these years he probably
didn't go out much either, right, because he couldn't be
seen by neighbors, so he really like didn't he lived
in this little attic all the time. Dolly took on
a new lover, her lawyer, Herman Shapiro. Boy, poor Otto.
I can't believe she did. Otto like that Herman had
been indispensable and getting the murder charges dropped against her.
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Dolly was so enamored with her new bo that she
gave him a valuable diamond watch. Even though she had
great wealth, it seemed silly to purchase a new diamond
watch when she still had Fred's stowed away up in
the attic. Herman was a sharp fellow, however, and was
instantly aware that the gifted watch was the one that
had allegedly been stolen by the thieves who killed Fred.
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When he confronted her about this, she explained that she
had been wrong about the watch being stolen. It had
simply been misplaced.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Do you think Otto was like, Dolly, where's my diamond watch?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Probably a critical mistake, It would turn out. Hermann loved Dolly,
but he was a busy man. Dolly needed constant attention,
so she added another man to her lineup.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I think Dolly had a lot, like we're going to
talk about a few, but she had a lot of men.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
In her life, did she.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Roy Clumb was her new paramore. He was a businessman
and aspiring actor. Dolly had three men completely wrapped around
her fingers. Roy especially was ary, smitten and a little naive.
When Dolly asked him to do a favor for her,
he was more than willing. She told her she had
a gun she needed him to get rid of for her,
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not the one that had been used to kill Fred,
but it happened to be the exact same make and
model as a so called burglar's weapon. With the police
sniffing around, she figured it probably wasn't the best idea
to have this gun lying around the house.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
That doesn't sound very likely to me, you don't think.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So Roy threw the gun into the Librea tarpits. Soon after,
Dolly grew tired of him and broke things off. There
was a second gun that she asked a neighbor to
bury in his yard, and he agreed. He buried it
under a rose bush. I know it sounds ridiculous, but
she did approach these two different men and asked them
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to get rid of the guns for her.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I don't know why she didn't ask Roy to just
get rid of both of them, or.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Why she didn't just do it herself. Do you give
these things to other people and it's going to end
up coming out one way or another.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Very good point. Soon someone noticed how similar herman's watch
was to Fred's watch. They tipped the police off, and
once again they began to watch Dolly. Roy, angry about
Dolly breaking off their relationship, went to the police and
told them about the gun he the tarpits. When Dolly's
Neighborhod buried the gun in his rose garden saw the
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news on the front page of the newspaper, he dug
up the pistol he'd buried for Dolly and brought it
to the police station. Police were also able to locate
the gun in the tarpit. The problem was that both
of the guns were in rough shape, rusted, and impossible
to tell if they were the actual murder weapon. Still,
authorities believed they had enough evidence to arrest Dolly. Otto
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remained hidden in the attic, still unknown to the police.
When herman went to visit her in jail. Dolly pleaded
with him to go to her house. She explained that
her stepbrother was in her attic and asked him to
go check on him and bring him some food. She said, quote,
go and take some food to my house, leave it
on the floor in my bedroom, and scratch on the
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wall near the dresser. Tell no one. Herman did as
he was told. He was shocked when Otto emerged from
the closet. He was thin, pale, as if he hadn't
seen the sun in years. Herman had interrupted Otto as
he was writing a story about Fred's murder and the attic,
portraying himself as the hero. According to the affidavit, the
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two men became fast friends. Otto revealed the truth to herman.
He wasn't Dolly's stepbrother, but her lover of many years,
and he had been the gunman who killed Fred Osterich.
Herman didn't turn him in, but Otto was horrified that
Dolly was in jail for a crime he committed. He
went to the police station and turned himself in immediately
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so she could be free again. Because he was used
in never seeing the sun and living in a small space,
how much worse.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Could prison be a very good point?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I'm just kidding. Otto was terrified at the thought of
going to jail. He packed his typewriter and his few
belongings and went to Canada, where he changed his name
to Walter Klein and later married a woman. I don't
know if Otto continued to live in attics.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I bet he.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Do you think so? DOLLI frequently sent Otto money in
Canada until he later reappeared in Los Angeles and told
her that he couldn't live without her as Luck would have.
But the charges weren't strong enough, and Dolly was released
from jail. Herman moved in with her until nineteen thirty
when they had an ugly breakup. He went to the
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police and told them everything he knew, including Otto living
in Dolly's attic for a decade, which resulted in her
being arrested again for conspiracy. Police tracked Auto down in Canada.
The newspapers really loved the wild story and coined Otto
the ghost in the Garrett and Batman. Batman first appeared
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in comics in nineteen thirty nine. So I'm wondering if Otto.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Might have been the inspiration forman Do you think so? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Herman alleged that Dalli and Otto had burned Fred's original will.
He claimed that Dolly was will a third of the estate,
with another third going to the Christian Science Church and
another third going to the manager of the textile factory.
I don't believe there's any proof that a will was
actually burned. Otto was arrested. He took the police to
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the very attic where he had lived for so many years.
He told them that Dolly had kept him there as
a sex slave for over ten years, although he really
had loved her deeply. He explained that he had killed Fred,
but it was in self defense. Quote. I thought from
Missus oster Rich's screams that her husband was killing her.
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I grabbed my gun in a rage, and, after climbing
out of my secret room, ran downstairs. I pulled the
trigger and he fell on the floor bleeding. Then I
ran upstairs, badly, frightened by what I had done, and
hid myself in this secret little room. Newspaper descriptions from
that time really make me laugh because they're very specificous.
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They described Otto as quote and under sized man with
a thin face and furtive eyes. When Otto went to trial,
the jury found him guilty not of murder but manslaughter.
Because the statute of limitations had run out on manslaughter,
Otto forty was freed. Dolly fifty six went to trial
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in nineteen thirty six. She still had heaps of money
and hired high powered attorneys to represent her. She claimed
she had only lied to protect Otto, she had nothing
to do with Fred's murder and had not planned it.
Dolly's jury was hung. The state of California realized that
their case was too weak to move forward and drop
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the charges against Dolly. A year later, Dolly met a
man named ray Bert Hedrick. He was her companion for
nearly thirty years. They remained together until Dolly's death in
nineteen sixty one. They married five days before her death.
She was eighty one.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
So they were together for thirty years and never married
and then they got married five days. Yes, strange, Well
maybe she maybe there was all like a legal reason,
like she wanted him to inherit her wealth or something.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
And wouldn't she just leave it?
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Will know?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I don't know, I don't speculating.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Dolly's story inspired two films, The Bliss of Missus Blossom
and a made for TV movie starring a very young
Neil Patrick Harris, the man in the attic in the
movie Dolly and Otto are Christa and Edward and we
have a clip. Edward.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Please just stay with Edward if someone sees us.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Please please. You don't know how much I've missed you.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I don't know, Krista being without you. You're all I
can think of, and when I do, I can't breathe,
I panic, and I can't see.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That's exactly how I feel. You've shown me what's possible
in life. I can't go back to the way it was, Krista.
I have no job, no no place to stay. Once
this once runs, Listen, I know a place with free
room and board where Joe will never find you and
we can be together as much as we want. There
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is no such place, Yes there is, there is. So
what do you think We could clean it up and
put a mattress here for you and I'd live here
in the attic only when Joe is home. The rest
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of the time the house is ours. You'll find out.
How could he? I let Mary go. You and I
can do the work that needs to be done. The
neighbors they never come round. Of course, you couldn't be
seen coming or going? Where would I want to go?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
My life is with you.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
The house would be our sanctuary.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I watched that clip because you send it to me
to care and I had no idea that was Neil Patrick.
Now that you said it, Oh yeah, of course that was.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I mean he's a baby. Yeah, it seems like it's
right after Dogie his doogie howser years. I had to
watch a fair bit of to get a good clip.
It's just lovely, beautiful acting there nice and that's how
we'll spend the rest of our Independence day in the attic.
No watching that great move. Okay, it's on YouTube and
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we will post a link. Oh boy again. There were
varying accounts of how many homes that Otto moved with
dollly Tube. I think there was as many as seven
times they moved, and Otto each time went to the attic.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
So wild and how many like how many years all together?
Like ten years or more? He was sort of living
in the attic.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Wow. Why do you think Otto liked the attic so much?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well, I think he wanted to be close to the
love of his life. But he probably also liked if
you're a writer, like you want peace and quiet and
somewhere you can you know, be doing your work, and
he probably he probably enjoyed having that little space. You know.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
It just sounds like it would be really hot in
the summer and really cold in the winter.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I don't know, yeah for sure, but you know, back
then people didn't have air conditioning anyway, so you were
kind of more used to being like hot and cold.
So maybe it just wasn't that big of a deal.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's probably true, so Fred was shot in self defense.
Why did they just tell the police that?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I mean I think the whole thing with her lover
living in the attic for ten years would have been
a pretty weird story to have to tell the police.
So maybe they just didn't want to get into.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
That whole or do you think it could have been plotted?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I mean maybe, but it seems like they had a
kind of a good thing going. So why would they
you know, why would they do that? Really? I don't
It doesn't seem like there was any reason for it.
He had lived there for ten years and no end
in sight, so why not just keep doing it?
Speaker 1 (32:54):
A lot of interesting psychological ramifications in this In this case, right,
Dolly had lost her son and you know, was Otto
kind of a replacement.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah, he was like seventeen when they met.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
She was in her thirties, right, Yeah, and I think
he was just a few years older than what her
son would have been at the time. Yeah, and Otto
was orphaned, So maybe he was looking for a maternal
figure in Dolly and that's why she was so important
to him.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, he might be onto something there.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I have one more important question for you. Is Batman
a superhero?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Obviously, I really adamantly disagree. A superhero is someone who
has a superpower, like a super strength, like Superman is
really strong, spider Man has his web capabilities of backup Man.
I don't know what he swim, he swims.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Really fast, says well, I mean Batman didn't have superpowers,
but he was a superhero. Those those are two different things.
You can use your superpowers to be a superhero or I.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Mean he did good things.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
He was definitely a hero, and I think he's a hero.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
But he's superhero. So in my opinion, he's just like
a wealthy guy who bought a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
He was brilliant, he had well he was we had
a super brain that allowed him to invent really cool
gadgets and things.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
So under that definition, then you're a superhero because you're
a smart guy.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, but I don't really use my powers for good.
So I think Batman, I think being a superhero is
independent of having a superpower.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Well, Chad, Shept agreed with you because I asked him
and said, Batman is considered a superhero. But he's a
bit of a he's a bit of a unique case.
He has genius level intellect, peak physical conditioning, mastery of
martial arts and detective work, advanced technology and gadgets, and
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unshakable moral code.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So you are very much I have hardly any of
those things.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
It's actually not true. You don't. Well, I mean, if
you're a genius or not, that's devatable, but you don't
have martial arts. He has Marshall Arts training. I don't
remember that part.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
He was very good at fighting, so I guess he
must have had some sort of training, but I don't
know exactly what the discipline was.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
We should maybe build a cave under our house. We
should when we're building the swimming pool, we can, you know,
just keep going kill. Yesterday I was out running errands,
and this always just baffles me. I was in a
bathroom in a public restroom, and the amount of people
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that I hear talking on their cell phone when they're
in a bathroom stall is shocking to me. I'm not kidding. Like,
almost every time I'm in a public restroom, I hear
someone on their phone, Like in the stall.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I hear it all the time.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, do you ever talk to anyone?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Ever ever done that? I will text.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I'm just gonna call you out in that because last
week I was walking down the stairs and I had
just received a text from you.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I sent you something funny. I found her something you
was But it.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Was just so funny because I was just like, you
just texted me on the toilet.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
You like, yeah, yes, But I would never talk on
the phone.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I wouldn't either were.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
In the bathroom. I just think that's too weird. But
I see it all the time too, when I'm in
public restrooms. It's very common.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Okay, this is kind of gross. But a couple of
weeks ago, I was in a restroom. There's these two
ladies and they were like, you know, side by side
on the stalls, and it was like the one lady
was like, hell, and what are you doing in there
allan you were a cross.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
They were talking to each other.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, no one was. You know, she had some gas
or something.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It's like a scene out of Harold and Kumar.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I'm not sure I get that reference in.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
The first Harold and Kumar movie, which has Neil Patrick Harrison.
It kind of made me think.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Of that he makes Connects movies and.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
A really gross scene where there's two two girls or
two women, young women in toilet stalls next to each other.
I'm not going to go in any more detail because
it's pretty gross scene.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
But that's just about white Castle. Just say, Harold and
who are like I need? White Castle was a good movie.
The first one was really good. I think did they
get increasingly where I think? Yeah, I think the first
one felt really unique. Yeah, well that was really we.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Just I don't know how we went there, but yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
We only have White Castle probably every five years, so
it might be the day. All well, I hope everyone
has a happy and save Fourth of July. Leave the
fireworks to an expert or.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Such a curmudgeon.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
The guy who's drink drink I just want I don't
want anyone.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, we don't want anyone. Just be careful. If you're
going to use fire just be careful.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Don't get really drunk like dynamite, and you know the
things that you put into their they're unstable. That the
whole definition of a fire is like it's an unstable
stable you know.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I think you can be safe using fireworks, just a
lot of people are very careless, and a lot of
people drink a lot, and that just leads to bad things.
So yeah, use your fireworks, but just be careful. That's
all I would that's my advice.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Well, our local weather man, Dave Rex, Yeah, I just
feel really bad for him.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Well, thank you again Monica for recommending this case. It
was definitely one that I enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It was an interesting one.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, until next time, don't kill your wife and don't
kill your husband.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
To us midnight on the ocean on the day I
married him. He didn't know his name was spread That's
why I called him Jim. We settled down in London, France,
beside the Pyramids and raised a little family of crazy,
mixed up kids.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Oh, be kind to your web for the friends or
a duck may be somebody's mother. Be kind to the
denizen of the swamp. He's a delayed true and food.
You may think that this is the end, where it
(39:21):
is
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