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July 15, 2025 49 mins

Join Mike and Trey Farley from Farley Pool Designs as they delve into the world of backyard water features with Greg Wittstock, founder of Aqua Scape. From Greg's childhood fascination with ponds to creating world-renowned water features, this episode offers insights on transforming outdoor spaces into personal retreats. Learn about Aqua Scape's innovative 20 product, 20 step approach, and explore how their biological filtration systems work with Mother Nature. Discover tips for low-maintenance luxury ponds, the rise of recreation ponds, and the importance of proper design and professional installation. Plus, get a glimpse of the largest and most sophisticated ponds Aqua Scape has built, such as the monumental project in Africa. Whether you're a homeowner or a contractor, this episode provides valuable knowledge and inspiration for creating your own backyard oasis.

 

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00:00 Welcome to Luxury Outdoor Living 01:26 Meet the Pond Guy: Greg Wittstock 03:24 The Birth of AquaScape 04:57 Innovations in Pond Filtration 08:22 Recreation Ponds: A Natural Alternative 08:42 AquaScape Certification and Training 15:47 Barbecue Bits: Outdoor Kitchen Essentials 22:54 The Importance of Fish in Pond Ecosystems 23:50 Turtles and Ponds: A Migratory Challenge 24:36 The Most Out There Pond Project 25:56 Global Reach and Headquarters 26:16 Showcasing Projects on Social Media 26:58 Aqua Land: The Water Garden Capital 28:07 The Appeal of Ponds 29:04 Misconceptions and Mosquitoes 31:25 Shaquille O'Neal's Pond Experience 33:01 Designing and Building Ponds 42:10 DIY vs. Professional Installation 44:37 Future of Aqua Scapes 48:12 Conclusion and Final Thoughts  
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Intro (00:02):
Welcome to Luxury Outdoor Living Podcast with Mike and Trey
Farley of Farley Pool Designs.
For over 40 years, we've helpedhomeowners turn their backyards
into personal retreats, spaces ofjoy, relaxation and unforgettable
memories, and whether it's a cozy as.
Scape or a resort style oasis.
We design it all.

(00:24):
We know how overwhelming a projectcan feel, and nothing feels worse than
a homeowner having a bad experience.
And that's why after decades ofdesigning and teaching in this
industry, we're here to share ourknowledge, helping you navigate.
The process with confidence.
Every week we break down designtrends and insider tips that
turn your vision into reality.

(00:45):
And since this is about creating somethingamazing together, drop a comment.
If you have any questions, ideas, orjust want to be part of the conversation,
if you find this helpful, a like helpsget this out to more people like you.
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and hit that subscribe button.
We'd love to have you along for the ride.
Let's build your paradise together.

Trey (01:17):
good afternoon everybody.
This is Mike Farley from.
Luxury Outdoor Living Podcast hostedby Farley Pool Designs, and I have
my co-host here today, Trey Farley.
And we have a phenomenal guest somebodythat is world renowned for what he does.
he creates such an amazing environmentand space for people in their backyards

(01:38):
having anything to do with thecompany his name is Aqua Scape with
water environments in the backyard.
Thank you so much forbeing here today, Greg.

Greg (01:47):
Yeah.
Aquas Gave is the company.
Of course, Greg would like the pond guy.
I'm the founder andappreciate you having me on?

Trey (01:52):
Yeah.
it'd be great to understand some history.
So the first question that I'mreally interested in is what
event made you the pond guy?

Greg (02:01):
I guess the event that made me the pond guy is my dad getting a corporate
transfer when I was a 12-year-old kid.
I'll age myself back in 1982 and me havingto leave my lakefront home, that was a
very much of a Huckleberry Finn existenceout in Medford Lakes New Jersey, the New
Jersey pine barons and moved to the flat,barren corn fields of Wheaton, Illinois.

(02:24):
With my parents feeling bad and allowingme to bring a 11 of my pet turtles with
me and promptly relocate them to a holethat I dug in the backyard for 'em to hold
water that I went to the library tray.
These were places that people used togo when the days before the internet,

Trey (02:41):
before Audible.

Greg (02:43):
learn how to build ponds.
And of course, all the books werefrom England and Japan, and they
said to build it outta concrete.
And my first pond back in 1982for my pet turtles from New Jersey
and Chicago leaked turned green.
And even my prize turtlesbegan migrating away.
And that began the.
Odyssey of me figuring out howto redo it and rebuild it and
get my turtles to stick around.

(03:03):
And how I became the pond guy is then Idecided then when people started looking
at my backyard after ripping it outand rebuilding it seven years in a row.
This is beautiful.
How'd you ever buy ahouse with a spring on it?
They thought it was a naturalpond, which was a good

Trey (03:17):
Wow.

Greg (03:18):
Good.
compliment to an artist andI said, no, I built it.
And they said, can you build me one?
And I thought, yes, I could.
So back in 1991, after my junior yearat the Ohio State University I ended up
starting Aqua Scape designs back then.
And it's been a wild ride ever since.
Wow.

Trey (03:34):
So you came up with a system that I think is so unique in the
fact that it can be duplicated.
And constructed with something.
So did that system exist at the verybeginning of how you built Ponds?

Greg (03:49):
No, it didn't exist.
It was basically, there was not asingle manufacturer on earth that
made professional grade products forcontractors installing water features.
Everybody was just, there were ofcourse, professionally ponds being
installed, but it was just people,jury rigging up systems that they
would just piece together outtagarbage cans and cattle troughs.
And same way I had done it

Mike (04:09):
right.

Greg (04:09):
But the paradigm shift that really put aqua scape on the map was
systematizing a 20 product and 20 stepapproach to building water features.
So you guys are outdoor living people.
Imagine, putting in patios andputting the screenings down
after you put the pavers in.
And that's the way it was with ponds.
People did 'em allsorts of different ways.
So I systematize a set method of building,from, how you do the excavation to You

(04:33):
didn't spend all your time on figuringout how to do it, you just followed
the formula and then you spent allyour time on the creative aspects.
So what really put aqua scape onthe map was when I was 24, I got
a patent for the products that Iwas developing in my backyard, and
then I started manufacturing that.
And then what quickly realized was Ihad to teach people my methodologies,
and then we started teachingmethodologies of how to do the.

(04:54):
20 product, 20 step approachof water feature building.
And the big shift that we had besidessystemization of the installation
process was a different paradigm shiftof approaching instead of trying to
build systems, filters that filterdirty water, I built systems that
built beautiful water features thathappened to have clean and clear water.
And so our filters are part of the system.

(05:15):
You don't see 'em, it's a waterfall unit.
It's a hidden skimmer unit.
Everybody else was manufacturing big drumfilters and trying to filter dirty water.
But the paradigm approach to Dockescape was we wanted to build
beautiful water features thathappened to have clear water.
So yeah, that was back in 1995.
So 91, I started my business, patentedmy products in 94, started to manufacture

(05:35):
and ship those products in 95.
And then basically have spent thelast, 34 years, teaching other
people how to build water features.
And today we're the world'slargest decorative water feature.
Suppliers out of Chicago.

Trey (05:48):
wow, that, yeah.
That's wild.
I know quite a bit about pool filtrationand how that works but with ponds,
and you're talking about, it beingfiltering I don't know if that's
just naturally, and you're talkingabout skimmers and stuff like that.
So how does the maintenance side ofone of your ponds, how does that work?

Greg (06:05):
it's a very different approach.
And unfortunately a lot of people,professionals even use pool
filters to try to clean ponds.

Trey (06:12):
Oh wow.

Greg (06:13):
And the biggest it's, you see it all.
The biggest difference is aswimming pool filter is there
to work against Mother Nature.
So it's a chemical system.
It's supposed to oxidize and getrid of impurities, where we use
biological filters to biologicallywork with Mother Nature.
So the different approach ofa chemical system, which is.
High maintenance, which is why, mostpool people have a weekly maintenance

(06:36):
route to go out and service maintenancecustomers, you're trying to fight
Mother Nature, where biologicallyyou work with Mother Nature.
So the, approach is different.
One's a chemical approach,which is, oxidizing everything.
One's a biological approach.
And I think the biological approachis far more sustainable, obviously,
as well as low maintenance becauseyou're working with Mother Nature and

(06:57):
not trying to fight Mother Nature.

Trey (06:59):
Wow.
is this like a no maintenance type ofproduct that you build one of these
ponds in your backyard and you don'thave to do anything pretty much?
Or is it like you're addingsomething here and there?
What's that like?

Greg (07:10):
No such thing as no maintenance.
It's less maintenance.
Okay.
'cause you're working withother nature and you got to
get it dialed in ecosystems.
The difference is, if you go tothe doctor and they say you don't
feel well, you have three options.
You can stop smoking, eatbetter, or take a pill.
Most people take the pill.
The ecosystem approach is stop smokingand eat better and maybe work out.
So you gotta obviously train yourecosystem, set it up correctly

(07:31):
with fish and plants and everythingelse, but it's gonna be very low
maintenance when you set it up properly.
Ultimately the goal is to makethings as enjoyable as possible.
We do have maintenance.
We basically do a yearlystartup for our customers after
they've been off for a while.
A lot of them shut 'em off in thewintertime, or it's been, gone for a year.
So we could do an original startup.
And then most people do theweekly or monthly maintenance.

(07:53):
Emptying a skimmer.
You have a skimmer has like someonecutting your laundry and you have to empty
the bag and then we add water treatments.
In 34 years, we've advanced things so far.
We have auto doses that add bacteria,not chlorine or chemicals to the water.
And we have all sorts of thingslike fountain scapes, which are
the lowest maintenance pondlesswaterfalls, which are pretty low.
You just put an auto fill valve on it,put it on a timer so it shuts up at night.

(08:13):
Ecosystem ponds and recreation ponds thatare an alternative to swimming pools where
people are swimming in biological filteredwaters instead of chemical filtered water.
So those are the four typesof main systems that we are
designing and installing.
my business, although we still do thatin Chicago, that's our RD department, my
business is manufacturing the equipmentand shipping it all over the world to
contractors that are installing them.

Trey (08:35):
So you mentioned earlier you had a system and you realized that you
had to train people how to do that.
So do you have a certification programor how does someone you know that maybe
is a hobbyist that thinks this sureshould be fun, become a professional?

Greg (08:51):
That's good.
So Aqua Scape is B2B.
We're a wholesale supplier only.
We primarily sell throughdistribution but we have a huge
consumer website, aqua scape inc.com.
That's the world's largest websitefor information about water features.
Of course, that is really directing peopleback to certified Aqua Scape contractors,
which is our certification program.
And we have those guysthroughout the world.

(09:12):
I traveled with them on my vlog channel.
Greg would suck the pond guy andvisit their projects and showcase
it to so more people could getinspired, hopefully, to live the.
Aquas Escape lifestyle, but thecertification process is basically
you have to install multiple waterfeatures, send in the pictures,
get multiple testimonials, takean online course and pass that.
And then of course, that's justthe standards to get certified.

(09:33):
And then of course, onceyou get certified, we have.
All sorts of training.
We have the Aqua Scape University, wehave the Aqua Scape Academies in Chicago.
At our headquarters.
We have Pandemonium, which is ourannual training event that we do.
So there's a ton of things that, youknow, we're really big into education
because we're the worldwide leaders.

Trey (09:50):
Pandemonium.
That sounds fun.

Greg (09:52):
That's Come on.
Pandemonium baby.

Trey (09:55):
So where's that this year?

Greg (09:56):
It's always in Chicago.
Always in Chicago in terms ofwhere, when we host it in person.
But since COVID, we'vebeen doing a biannual.
So we do it every other year inperson, and then it'll be August
26th, I think, this year online.
So we go one year online, oneyear in person, one year online.
And then every winter in Chicagowe do the Aqua Scape academies,
where we have all sorts of differentacademies that are offered.
And then there's the Aqua ScapeUniversity that is just online

(10:18):
that people could just go to.
And there's a lot of freecourses for homeowners on there.
And of course, if you wanna be aprofessional, there's paid courses.
The goal is just to educate peopleproperly because the majority
of water features that I see,unfortunately publicly are not
Properly installed or poorly built.
And our number one motto with buildingwater features for customers is to
not give them what they ask for.

(10:38):
And it's a bit controversial, not togive a customer what they ask for,
but when they're really asking youfor as a professional, when they ask
you for something, is your opinion.
And if you know that's notthe best location in the yard.
To put the water feature or, withthe trees or the water runoff, or
you know that not gonna look natural.
Trying to put a five foot highwaterfall in a flat backyard.
We simply ask questions, do you wanta natural looking waterfall or do

(10:59):
you want a volcanoes doing lava?
So most people don't haveperspectives on slope to scale.
Most people don't have perspectiveson the ecology of a water feature.
So the majority of people.
Ask us to do things, we just askthem back, what is it your goal is?
And if your goal is a lowmaintenance, beautiful natural
looking water feature, then wejust install the aqua scape system.
But we do it in a setformula way of doing it.

Trey (11:21):
Yeah.
homeowners don't understand, sowhat they ask for is, they think
they understand what they want, but

Greg (11:26):
yeah then the number one problem is people trying to build
a high waterfall in a flat yard.
Yeah.
And it looks like a volcano,

Mike (11:32):
right?

Greg (11:32):
oh no, I wanna a five foot waterfall.
Well, hey, what, Show us the pictures.
I like this one.
Yeah, that's two feet.
If you want a five footI waterfall, no problem.
But we're gonna have tobring in 80 yards of soil.
Which means you have no yard.
And they're like, oh, okay.
Do a two foot,

Trey (11:45):
yeah.
People have, pictures on Pinterestand stuff like that, but they
don't understand the topos.

Greg (11:49):
Yeah, so anyway, it's just an educational process.
We do that all the time and we teachpeople how to walk this through because
so many new contractors will try togive a customer what they asked for
versus what they want, and they'lllose their shirt because they built a
leaky waterfall or something like that.
huge into education.
We've got 5 million followerson our social platforms.
We have, of course, the AquaScape Inc. We have Greg Ek, the

(12:09):
Pan Guy, which is the lifestyle.
We have Ed the Pond professor,which is the ecology.
We got team scape, whichis the construction, and of
course we have the Aqua scape.
Pawn shop as well, which isjust a local marketplace.
So we're constantly, every day putting outmultiple social things, all with the basic
same message, which is reconnecting peopleto nature the way water intended it.

Trey (12:29):
with pools, I understand like leak detection and all that kind of stuff,
prevention and stuff, but with the pond,and you've mentioned this a couple times,
when you were first a kid and you weredigging the hole and stuff like that.
How do you prevent having leaks in a pond?
'cause I just assumeit's, in natural dirt.
Are you putting down some kind of layerthat's waterproof to hold the body?
Oh yeah.
So we just use,

Greg (12:46):
we use EPDM rubber.
I never thought

Trey (12:48):
about it,
Okay,

Greg (12:49):
sure.
We use EPDM rubber, which is, a lotof people use obviously Gunite or
Shock Creek, which we never recommendfor a pond because it cracks.
So we use flexible EPDM liner.
We don't usually use polypropyleneor polyethylene us, it's a
massive water feature, acre plus.
99% of.
The projects that we're doingare backyard or, residential
and we use flexible EPDM liner.

(13:10):
We use a fish grade EPDM liner.
A lot of times they put algacides on it for, roofing material
because it's a similar, EPDM isdeveloped for the roofing industry.
Okay.
But we use a fish grade one, soit's developed for, there's no
alga, cides and chemicals on it.
So it's safe for fish, we install thaton top of a woven underlayment fabric.
So the fabric goes down, thenthe underlayment goes down.
the fabric goes down, then the linergoes down, and then we also put a

(13:33):
layer of underlayment on top of that.
So it's sandwiched in between, especiallywhere we put stones because we cover
the entire liner to protect it fromUV light and also to make a bed for
bacteria to grow with rock and gravel.
So those are all of courseincluded in the 20 products, in 20
steps, methodology, but flexible.
EPDM liner is how we make it waterproof.

Trey (13:51):
Is there any variation to that when you have the recreational pond?

Greg (13:54):
No, there isn't.
Oh, okay.
There is no variation.
The only variation from a rec pondversus a standard ecosystem backyard
pond is the size of the filtration.

Mike (14:02):
Okay.

Greg (14:03):
And we still use the same products.
We just massively upsize them.
A bio falls is a typical for a backyard.
Or if it's a little bit bigger,we use a wetland filter.
We just use a larger wetland filter.
And all a wetland filter does is createa surface area for bacteria to grow,
and we circulate the water througha gravel bed aquatic plant zone, and
then recirculate it back into the pond.

(14:23):
So same concept.
As a biofalls, it's just larger.
And when you get into, larger bodiesof water, you want obviously more
filtration or you can have a standardbody of water, but high use with people.
So we just upsize the wetlandfilter and the aquatic plant
load to, handle that bio load.
Yeah.
Okay.

Trey (14:41):
So are you seeing a big up tee and people wanting ponds?
They can swim in.

Greg (14:46):
The thing with recreation?
Yes.
Unbelievably recreation ponds areprobably of the 34 years in business.
I built my first recreationpond in 1999 and, we didn't even
have wetland filters back then.
So I. what we're creating right now isit's, the demand is just off the charts
because people are wanting to do a morenatural way instead of a chemical way.

(15:07):
bromine, chlorine, salt, all thesesystems work against Mother Nature,
where biologically, this is howwe grew up and we talk to those
people about this all the time.
It's like, oh, I don't wanna swimwith fish, or I don't want bacteria.
Yeah.
But.
You grew up, our bodies evolvedinstead of the last a hundred
years with swimming pools.
Our bodies evolved swimming in oceans andrivers and streams and creeks and ponds.

(15:29):
if you wanna know why people aregetting so sick, it's because
they sterilize everything.
It's when I swim in a swimmingpool, I take a shower.
When I swim in arecreation pond, I dry off.

Trey (15:40):
Nice analogy.
No, it is.
Yeah.

BBQ Intro (15:44):
We are gonna take a break here for a second and get into outdoor living.
So with outdoor living, we like togo to barbecue bits here we're gonna
share some information of everythingthat you may want to consider in
your outdoor living space as far asfeatures, especially for the kitchen.
Hope you enjoy this.

Mike (16:04):
Okay.
So the griddle has gotten really popular.
Okay.
Okay.
And so we get more andmore requests for griddles.
And if you're gonna talk aboutthe best griddle to install,
uh, where would you start?

Bobby (16:17):
We would definitely start with Evo.
Uh, another American madeproduct drive wallet in Oregon.
Um, all American made.
But why Evo?
I'm just not gonna sell a product.
What's the value added piece of this?
Well, there's two types of griddles asa consumer you wanna look at, and as
specifiers, there's a, in salespeople,we want to go into a discovery phase.

(16:39):
Is this the right griddle?
In other words.
Is this gonna be a connection piece?
Is this, am I gonna have, uh, likeKevin just did and you have done
the radius bars, we we're doinga particular job that has a full
radius bar that wraps around the Evo.
This is recessed in it.
I believe it's a deck,pond or a granite top.
We're gonna omit this piecehere, and now I'm connected

(17:01):
with the whole family, right?
It's really important.
Or are you gonna buy a griddle that'sgonna be in line with the equipment
away from that entertainment area?
That's the questions we ask.
Well, not a lot of peoplewant a connection piece.
If you don't configure cableand chairs by this, you'll get a
lot of congregation around this.
Everybody wants to cook on Evo.
Uh, they make, they make acommercial side like Mongolian Grill.

(17:25):
Then they make a residential side.
They make two versions.
They make a, they calla 25 and they make a 30.

Mike (17:31):
Okay,

Bobby (17:31):
we do 30 in Texas 'cause bigger is better and we.
This is Varden steel plate thathas been seasoned from the factory
and it gets better and betterevery time that you cook on it.
Two zone burner system.
I've got an interior burnerand an exterior burner.
Can you bake on this?
Yes.
There's baking racks that are on here.
Um, you can do pizzas on here.

(17:53):
I didn't believe this at first.
I have Evo, uh, foodie guys that comein here and say, here's my pizza.
And, uh, I have notlearned how to do a pizza.
I'm more of a alpha oven guy,but you can do it on here.

Kevin (18:05):
When I first came to see you the first time, year and a half
ago or so, whenever it was, thatis the one thing that has always
stuck in my mind is that evil.
'cause when my kids were growingup, we love going to the hibachi
grills and teki and everything else.
And I love cooking breakfast on Sundaymornings and that is just perfect.
I gotta have one of those, right?

Bobby (18:26):
Uh, can you hold food?
So if you've got a large family, and,um, how does this value added to hold?
Uh, if I have a lot of ommunity or familyor friends over, you can use that vehicle
in and, and, and even as a warmer, inother words, I can use this to set this
outside burger for low and, uh, put mymeat or foods in the middle of this.

(18:47):
And this acts as a heitor,uh, vehicle red on it.
And your moisture control is up herein the top with his daisy wheel.
It's more of a moisture control.
Uh, I have a lot of customers, uh,Hey Bobby, where's the grease code?
You get some fall off, but your accesspoints for clean outs are right here,
uh, and may have little cups thatyou actually can line and coil

(19:11):
and you can actually slide out.
No electricity need to this.
It's battery off.
They make it simple.
It's what they do.
Um.
Pros and cons.
So many pros.
We can go on and onand kill about an hour.
The only con, and I'll tell you, where doI domicile or where do I set the lid at?
Where does that go?

(19:31):
It is like Captain America's Shield.
So that's one thing that youguys have done really well.
It's like, Hey listen,we need that lid kit.
There is a, a device that holds it.
So where it would go would be probablyon the end of this aisle and when
I'm not using it, you want to.
Uh, think in advance ofwhere to put the lid at.
So

Mike (19:51):
good thought.
So I see here in this cabinet thatit's sticking out past the, uh,
the eye up the cooking island.
Yes.
Is it designed to do that allthe time or can you actually have
the counter followed around this?

Bobby (20:07):
This is a great question.
Um, and I'm glad you led me on thisbecause I was gonna bring that up.
Next two ways to build this in.
Uh, you guys know Lootersstone, that looters Texas.
This is what they call a buff.
It's a chiseled edge.
Whenever I do a, whenever we do a looterstone, the stone is so thick, it's hard.
Can you do it?
Yes, but it's hard to do a radius cut.
So we'll always recommend the trim kit.

(20:29):
It can be above.
Now you're gonna see more evosthat are flushed, and it'll look
like it's monolithic with the tie.
Um.
We see a lot of Deon now, uh,higher end manmade surfaces.
Do you need this?
Not exactly.
You can, you can omit this and then buildthis particular piece, Aaron, to let, to
make it get a more of a contemporary andsoft field as you look in this picture

(20:52):
here with Buddy the cake guy or whatever.
Yeah, buddy.
Ve.
This is built into a granite top and it,we have some consumers that want that.
They want that more, that streamlined,looking at contemporary and soft fuel.
They don't want it so bulky.
But to answer your question, yes,it does come outside a little bit
so I can access more of the centerand back of the griddle itself.

(21:16):
Two zone system interiorand exterior burn.
Gotcha.
They make a built-in cover for this, uh,that you can cover this with not in use.

Kevin (21:25):
Okay,

Mike (21:26):
awesome.
Do

Bobby (21:27):
you

Mike (21:28):
recommend having

Bobby (21:28):
the storage below?
I do.
Um, the drawers are real popular becauseit's ease of use for your hard lines
from flippers, uh, cleaning kit, thingslike that that can go inside of here.
And something that's really popularthat, uh, that I've seen with a
lot of clappy islands is the undercounter lighting that we don't sell.

(21:49):
Um.
The reason why is that really popular?
You can see in the drawer systems at nightand then give them a fosh at nighttime
versus what daytime can give you.
It's a different look.
So

Kevin (22:00):
have any of the manufacturers started making, uh, storage systems
that actually have lighting inthem, low voltage lighting in them?

Bobby (22:07):
They, they do.
There's two types.
There's, uh, there's one that has alow voltage lighting that's, uh, 12
volt, uh, which Lynx makes, and that'stheir exclusive, that's a brand.
Uh, out of Mississippi.
And then most of them, um,have a, a motion activated,
um, uh, watch battery Oh, okay.
In the drawer.
And they last an extremely longtime and they found out that that's

(22:29):
more ease of use and less, um,less strain on the power supply.
Uh, makes sense.
Yeah.
Pointless wired.
That's correct.

BBQ Ends (22:38):
So I hope you enjoyed the barbecue bits that we just featured today,
and we'll have more coming up next week.
If there's something in particular thatyou're interested for, let us know and
we'll get back into the episode now.

Trey (22:52):
Do you have to make a choice?
Some people are like,do, I have to have fish.
Or some people are like,do I have to have plants?

Greg (22:59):
Remember what I said?
Don't give a customer what they asked for.

Trey (23:02):
Yes.

Greg (23:02):
Give 'em what they want.
You don't have to do anything.
It's harder if you don't.
Okay.
It's a part of a pond ecosystem.
And when we communicate and educatethe people that well, if you
don't wanna feed the fish, justDon't overload the population.
And if the fish breed you'regonna have to do on your annual
maintenance, remove some of the fish.
But what will happen, always without fail,99% of the time, of a hundred, is the

(23:23):
people will grow attached to their fish.
They'll feed their fish when thefish multiply and breed, they're
gonna wanna make their palm biggerbecause they're gonna love their fish.
So I know they're gonna love their fish.
So when a customer says, I don'twant fish, I say, yes, you do.
And they say, no, we don't.
And I go, yes you do, becauseI just know what happens.

Trey (23:38):
You just don't know it yet.

Greg (23:40):
They just don't know it yet.
But of course if they didn't wantfish, you don't have to do fish.
But it will make it harder for theecosystem 'cause you're removing
one of the components that naturecreated to be part of the ecology.

Trey (23:50):
So you started this for turtles?
Yes.
And so I've actually seenthe snapping turtle video.
That thing was massive.
is it a good environment for turtles?

Greg (24:00):
Not 103 pound alligator snapping turtle like I have as my
mascot at Aqua Land that was rescuedfrom the turtle soup business.
The challenge with turtlesis turtles are migratory.
So unless you have a fenced in yard,even in the most incredible backyard
pond, turtles will come and go becausethat's how they spread their DNA.
So I would say that if you havea backyard pond with a fence
around it, no problem at all.

(24:21):
But if you don't, just know that turtlesare migratory and they will come and go.

Trey (24:25):
Okay.
But they like ponds.

Greg (24:27):
I like turtles.

Trey (24:29):
I'm wondering, 'cause we've talked a lot about the concepts of ponds itself,
but you don't just do the basic pond.
He's shown me some of your work.
So what is like the craziest pond thatyou've done or worked on or, B2B and they
were using your supplies on what do youthink is like the most out there pond?
The most

Greg (24:47):
out there pond in 34 years that Aquas Gabee has
created was finished last month.

Trey (24:53):
Wow.
It's amazing

Greg (24:55):
you've seen it.

Trey (24:55):
Oh, yes, sir. I've been following the whole journey of you guys building it.

Greg (24:59):
Namia Africa.
It was created by Ed the pond professorwho has spent the better part of 2024
and early part of 2025, going back andforth to Africa at a safari lodge that
was purchased by a wealthy individual whowanted to create his vacation home and Ed.
Bisected the house with a massivewater feature that falls into a giant

(25:22):
cenote that recirculates amongstitself with a massive wetland and
filled with all tropical plantsthat Africa would be filled with.
the scale and magnitude of that project islike none other because we harvested the
rocks from the site some of the bouldersin excess of 150 tons or 300,000 pounds.
Oh,

Trey (25:40):
wow.
Two on a semi

Greg (25:42):
well and a 500 ton crane to set them.
So yeah.
Yeah, that was probably without a doubt.
Plus the fact that it was at asafari lodge and you'd be building
it while you were looking atrhinos and hippos giraffes and
everything else walking around.

Trey (25:55):
Wow.
your stuff is all around the world.

Greg (25:58):
Yeah.
our worldwide headquarters isin St. Charles, Illinois, which
is a Chicago suburb, the watergarden capital of the world.
We have an office in teamup in Toronto, Canada.
We have a warehouse over in England.
We have distributors as far awayas Australia, and we do projects
anywhere in the world and supplyconvertors anywhere in the world.
Okay.

Trey (26:16):
you do a tour of projects that you go around and visit them, and
that's what's on your YouTube channel.

Greg (26:23):
So listen Greg Wistock, the Pan Guy is a lifestyle channel.
So our focus is to showcasehow people all over the world.
I just got back from British Columbia.
Friday a couple days ago.
And we visit our certified scapecontractors and they take me
out to their coolest projects.
I meet the coolest customers, and then Ijust show on social media, whether it's
Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, or YouTube.

(26:45):
And then my goal with that is tobasically expose people to what live
in the scape lifestyle is all about,and hopefully they will eventually
live the ACAP lifestyle themselves.

Trey (26:54):
Yeah it's a cool journey to follow and watch, that's for sure.
Thanks.
in your headquarters there right outsideof Chicago, is that a distribution center?
Is there like a whole display system thatpeople can see lots of different projects?
If you wanna walk around and seedifferent things, what all's there.

Greg (27:12):
Aqua Land, which is our corporate headquarters in St. Charles, Illinois, is
our distribution center, our offices, ourdesign studio, so people to come in our
inspiration center, our retail store, andthen of course, display ponds all over
the whole place, which is how we becamethe water garden capital of the world.
So yes, it is, primarily a B2Bbusiness with a B2C component with

(27:34):
the retail store and obviouslythe design inspiration center.
So people come over all the time.
We see people from all over thatare in Chicago for some reason or
another, and they visit Aqua Land.
It was named a top 15 gardencenter in the Midwest this year.
And it's just a fun place.
it's our.
Tinkering shop.
So we're always displaying newthings and practicing them.
So that's how we live theative lifestyle ourselves.

(27:55):
So all of the teammates that workthere are every day surrounded by water
features, which of course is my goalbecause I want to be able to have them
just like myself, be able to talk.
'cause we walk the walk.
That's awesome.

Trey (28:07):
Why do you think people fall in love with ponds and they
actually wanna buy them and buildthem in their backyards or oasis?

Greg (28:14):
I've said for a long time a water feature turns a house into a home.

Mike (28:18):
Mm.

Greg (28:18):
There's nothing.
Literally nothing that you can putin a landscape that will make a
bigger impact than moving water.
When that moving water has life init, like fish and aquatic plants
and attracts life like dragonflies and birds it'll change that
environment more than anything else.
There's nothing that you canput in there, and so even.
Outdoor loving people will spend way moretime outdoors in nature, in their yards.

(28:41):
And I think that is moreneeded now than ever.
Oh yeah.
With people so attached at the hip withtechnology, you can't get away from it.
So to be able to escape and have your own,park, vacation spot in your own backyard,
it's a staycation and I think that.
Any yard that I have that doesn'thave decorative water features, in
particular water features like ponds.
I think it's like a desert,comparatively speaking.

Trey (29:04):
A lot of people when they think about ponds, they think of the
neighborhood pond that they had orsomething like that, and it maybe
didn't run very well and you would,fish in it and get constantly bitten
up by mosquitoes and stuff like that.
is the concept to have all the watermoving constantly or is this a. A
situation where, mosquitoes might be anissue, so you might need a plan ahead
and deal with that, or how does that work

Greg (29:27):
It's so interesting because every time I post a video,
people mention mosquitoes.

Trey (29:31):
Yep.

Greg (29:32):
And yet, if you have an overturned Frisbee in your yard, you'll have
more mosquitoes in an ecosystem pondwith a skimmer or circulating water.
So the reality is, when you putin an ecosystem pond, you will get
dragonflies and male dragonfly caneat up to 175 mosquitoes a day.
And any larvae gets sent into a pond.
If it's circulating correctly, itwill get stuck into the skimmer
'cause that's where the larva go.

(29:53):
And so the more they lay, the more.
Their eggs get consumedand, eaten by the skimmer.
So it actually hurts.
The local mosquitopopulation doesn't help it.
And this is all part ofthe education process.
When people ask, this is not a stagnantswamp, this is a beautiful crystal
clear aqua scape ecosystem water featurethat will actually hurt mosquitoes, not
help mosquitoes in the neighborhood.
That's

Trey (30:12):
awesome.
It's like a nice, luxurious bug zapper.

Greg (30:15):
I've never been explained it that way, but that's a much more articulate
and succinct way for explaining it.
A luxurious bug.
Zapper.
Thank you young man.
I'll use that.

Trey (30:25):
what's the biggest misconception people have about ponds?

Greg (30:29):
I'd say the biggest misperception that they don't realize what they can get.
Every time I visit someone's house, I askthem, what are people's reactions when
they come and see your water feature?
And the number one thingwithout fail is, wow.
People come over and say, wow, becausepeople are used to seeing grass.
They're used to seeingbush shrub, shrub, shrub.
Maybe.
A couple of more shrubs or acouple of more bushes, on nicer

(30:49):
landscapes, maybe a nicer hardscape.
No, I love all that stuff.
In fact, we call the backyard lifestyle.
We call the ecosystem and lifestyle.
We refer to it as you need ahardscape to enjoy the waterscape.
You need a softscape tosoften up the waterscape.
So you need all of those elements.
But now there's a reason to siton that patio because people
will not sit there for hours onend and watch their tulips grow.

(31:10):
But put a couple of fish in there andthey will sit there for hours on end.
Feeding those fish,they'll name those fish.
When those fish have babies,they'll wanna get a second water
feature and a third water feature.
The average person that we billedbefore has three water features.
Big, bigger, biggest, good, better, best.

Trey (31:25):
Was that what happened to Shaquille O'Neal?

Greg (31:27):
Shaquille's got two, so we're there, although the second one was quite big.
yeah, so Shaq's live in theaqua skate lifestyle twice.
He saw one of our certified Aquae strucks at his car wash, or his cousin
who was running the car wash saw it.
I thought Shaq would like it.
I went out to Shaq's house in Orlando.
Shaq was thinking about selling thathouse 'cause he was in a dispute with

(31:47):
the neighbors after he knocked downthe other neighbor's house and was
trying to build a go-kart t track.
So the, the other neighborsweren't really happy about that.
So he ended up selling thathouse, moving to his Atlanta home.
And that is where we, after Petefrom Treehouse Masters built his
treehouse, we put the pond around it.
Then after that happened, I told him,don't build the pond in the low part

(32:08):
of the yard because that will getflooded and it will be a big problem.
The house manager who you know,decided that he was gonna have a local
landscaper do it, and they built it.
And of course, that pond was adisaster, so we had to come in.
The PO professor and designeda whole system to save that.
So that was the second water feature,and that's a giant retention pond
water feature that does get filledwith all of the street runoff.

(32:29):
But because of the ecosystem,it's crystal clear water.
And I just got a video two daysago from him showing me his baby
COI and he was quite happy with

Trey (32:37):
Oh, interesting.
We had Pete on here about six weeks ago.

Greg (32:39):
That's fun.
Yeah.
So he built checks.
See?
Yeah, it was maybe the year before I did.
So maybe 2020.
And I think I built his pond in.
He probably built it in 2019.
'cause I built his pond in may of 2020.
The first one.

Trey (32:51):
Yeah.
He talked about it.
He had to have a special made door.

Greg (32:54):
Oh, I've been through that door.
It's like you're going into V five fo fu.
Yeah.

Trey (33:00):
Awesome.
Okay.
how does elevation affect a pond?
Because you just pointed to, howa pond being at the bottom of the
slope can cause issues somehow?

Greg (33:09):
one of the big challenges that we have is a lot of people, they
have a runoff area and they say,oh, we should put a pond in here
because it can't get grass to grow.
Even outdoor loving people spend, themajority of their time inside the house.
So we say, the challenge with that isyou're gonna get all of the neighbor's
chemicals and chem lawn guy's gonnafertilize it and it's gonna go down here.
There's gonna be hydrostatic pressurewith the liner, or we can put it up
close and personal outside of yourdeck, visible from your kitchen window.

(33:31):
And then of course theanswer is, okay, do that.
So yeah, the elevation, the number onechallenge that we have is you wanna
make sure that when you build it, it'svisible from inside the house, ideally.
'cause that's where most people spend.
And then obviously.
After that we deal with whateverelevation that we have and we just, dig,
excavate, and build retaining walls.
And just like you guyswould do landscaping,

Trey (33:51):
is there any spot where you just wouldn't be able to put a pond because
it just doesn't seem functional or I. Is,

Greg (33:56):
I've never been to a yard that I couldn't fit a water feature into.
Okay.
There's better areas and worse areaswith sunlight and tree load and
tree roots that we don't wanna gettoo close to and things like that.
But I've always been able to figureout, even in small yards, which one of
the ironies is the smaller the yard,the bigger the impact the water feature
has, because of course it creates sound.
And of course it makes a bigger impactwhen it's the only thing that you see.

(34:19):
When you step into the backyard.
And then you just have to do proper scale.
So if you're on a four acre estatelike I was back in Illinois before
I lived, moved out here to Utah, youknow, I built a one acre pond that.
Lapped up to the foundation of the housebecause a small pond would get lost in
four acres where one fourth of the yardnow is water, and I have it come right
up to the foundation, I'll be able toopen up the window and feed the fish.

(34:39):
So design is very important in thisand that's why I think it's so good
to go out and put out, 1400 videos onYouTube of people's backyard designs.

Trey (34:48):
That's interesting.
The different styles of design.
I wonder how different can you get 'causeI know with the pool you can match any
style of the house and stuff like that.
Can you do like ultramodern with the,

Greg (35:01):
we call it contemporary water features.
Okay.
Square edges.
We'll do, blocks, blockdesigns and stuff like that.
But yeah and that's very cleanlines, and we do some contemporary
we like to do a hybrid aversion.
We do wanna have some natural stuffwith the waterfalls and whatnot.
But this is art.
So when you are designing awater feature, you're really.
Going to try to find somebodythat you relate to as an artist

(35:23):
or his artwork you relate to.
So we always recommend checking outthe portfolios of the certified Conors
or the Conors that you're gonna use.
And if you are gonna hire someoneand it's a significant investment,
it's always less expensive by theway, to do it right the first time.
We recommend that you go visit andone of their water features and
ideally at the actual con's home.
So you can see how they're livingthe aqua escape lifestyle too.

(35:44):
But if you put three differentdesigners in a backyard.
You'll get three different designsand three different prices.
So it's really who you'recomfortable going with and whose
style as a consumer you relate to.

Trey (35:55):
say I'm in Dallas.
Yeah.
Do you have multiple installers in Dallas?
I could call three different guysand get three different designs from

Greg (36:03):
you.
Just go to aqua scape inc.com.
find a contractor, type in yourzip code and it will pop up.
Who in your area is.
Fill out the applicationand they'll call you.

Trey (36:13):
Okay.
So can you specify, hey, Iwant someone that's been in the
industry a certain length of timeor has certain certifications?
It'll give you,

Greg (36:21):
it'll give you links to their websites.
Okay.
And of course, that information'susually on the website.
Okay.
But yeah, obviously then that's just, thecustomer, the number one thing that you
wanna do is you wanna see the actual workof the content installing the project.

Trey (36:33):
So if somebody has been able to do something of the scale and
magnitude that you're looking forhow do you proceed to find somebody?
Do they send you links?
I'm not sure if I followhow this exactly works.

Greg (36:46):
So you go to the website as a consumer right to aqua
scape inc.com IN c.com you.
On the icons, you type in the thing,find a contractor, and then when you go
in there, it'll have you fill out yourapplication, including your zip code.
And when the zip code goes in it'llgive you multiple contractors in that
area that are been certified by scape.

(37:07):
And then it's up to you to have anindividual communication with those
guys, set up a design consultation.
That's almost always a paid consultationbecause they're gonna come out and
design a water feature for you.
And then you decide whoyou wanna go with by.
A, whose design you like and then B,whose workmanship and quality 'cause it's
art that you like from their portfolio.
And then if I always recommend ifyou're going to have and spend tens of

(37:30):
thousands of dollars on a water feature,which it can get up to easily visit
one or two of their water features withthem and see if you like what they do.

Trey (37:37):
So when we do design work in the pool industry.
I'm an old individual, and so I draweverything by hand with a pencil
still, but for presentations, I havean assistant that puts everything in
a three dimensional model so peoplecan see exactly what it looks like.
Do they go to that extent of Mike,

Greg (37:55):
I'm maybe close to your age, but I'm even more simpler
and more rudimentary than you.
We don't do drawings.
We prefer not to do drawingsbecause you're dealing with an art.
So how do you draw a pictureof a waterfall will never,
ever look like the waterfall.
So it's rather showing our portfolio.
And then how we draw things so thatpeople understand them is we use
a garden hose and a can of spraypaint, and we lay it out on the yard.

(38:19):
We let the customer go into theirkitchen window, go into their bedroom
window, look down, see the design.
Manipulate the garden hose if theywanna make it bigger or change a curve.
And then we spray paint itout, mark it with flags.
And that's exactly the design we would do.
And we build upon exactly there.
And then of course, the rocks speak to us.
They talk to us.
So when we're putting it together,whether we have two waterfall drops

(38:41):
or three, we basically say this is thearea the waterfalls is gonna go into.
And it's might be two drops, it mightbe three, it might be five, depending
on the length and everything else.
But you're going with our styleas an artist and you cannot
draw a waterfall that will lookanything like the end result.
'cause even though the processto build it remains the same.
Every rock is unique,every setting is different.
Every water feature is a uniquework of art, one of a kind creation.

(39:03):
But the process to buildit remains the same.
And that's the key of making AquaScape successful so we can standardize
construction so that all of the creativetime could be spent on the design.
Yeah,

Trey (39:13):
I used to tell clients all the time.
There's no way I can draw thewaterfall that you're gonna want.

Greg (39:19):
Nah, you can't draw a waterfall.
No.
So I

Trey (39:20):
said now pictures.
You get pictures and get some picturestogether that can help inspire.
Yeah.
This is what it's gonna looklike, but inspire how, because
stone work is totally artistic.
And your mason that's doing yourstone work, they're artists.
Absolutely.
the capability of them your end resultdepends on the skill that they have.
So it's the one thingthat's not a cut and dried.

(39:43):
That I've dealt with in my career isI'm like, this is totally artistic.

Greg (39:47):
Yeah.
Anyway, which makes it fun, which iswhy the guys who do it enjoy it so much.
Yeah.
They take pride in their work.
Oh, a hundred percent.
And at the end of the day, whatyou're doing is you're hiring
an artist, so you have to relateand connect with their work.

Trey (39:58):
I'm wondering, 'cause you were talking about just having the
water features and having threeboulders or two and I was imagining
a pond and instant I just want tojump into it, you know what I mean?
So how deep can a pondget with a wreck pond?
Is it able to, you know, have a rope swingand you can, jump into the pond that way?
Or is it two feet deep?
How deep is.

Greg (40:17):
It all depends on how the customer wants to use it.
We don't call them swim pondsspecifically because they're not.
A swim pond is one dimensional,which is like a swimming pool.
A swimming pool is one dimensional.

Mike (40:27):
Yeah.

Greg (40:27):
A recreation pond is multiple.
You don't have to be in it to enjoy it.
You're gonna listen to the waterfalls,you're gonna feed the fish.
Okay?
You're gonna be able to watch the birdsbathe, so you recreate around a pond.
Now, if somebody wanted tohave a dive rock, the pond at
Aqua Land is 600,000 gallons.
Oh, wow.
It's 10 and a half feet.
I have a 12 foot high dive rock.

(40:47):
I have an underwater cave.
We have scuba tanks there,so anything is possible.
that's a $2 million feature.
One of the things that is.
Interesting to me is, know,Aqua scape is a luxury brand.
if you wanna go buy a Toyota Corollawe have Toyota Corollas, we have
small basins, we have small features,we would be more of a Rolex, we
would be more of a luxury brand.

(41:08):
And the average water feature thatwe're doing starts at about $20,000.
It's a car basically.
And we'll put in.
Water features every year that aremultiple, hundreds of thousands
of dollars for somebody, but theperson has a Ferrari in their garage
a lot of times 200, 300,000 car.
We'll do a 203,000 backyard.
You get to enjoy 365.

(41:29):
That car you only enjoy when you driveit on Sunday, when the weather's good.
So people go, I would never spend 300,000.
Yeah, you're not our customer.
this is our customer.
What do you want?
and if you're a do ityourself, we're great.
I built my first palm by gettingrock scavenged from the creek,
everybody starts somewhere.
But my goal is to do itright the first time.
If this is your investment,let's get it the right size.

(41:49):
Let's get the right system put in here.
Let's do it correctly.
And can you do it for less expensive?
Sure.
And you know what?
You can also hire a differentartist to do your painting or your
portrait, and it might just looklike I. A Hugo versus a Ferrari.

Trey (42:03):
That's actually interesting 'cause with my social media, all I get is
pretty much like DIY or constructionor designer and stuff like that.
So what do people get wrong whenthey do a DIY pond or water?

Greg (42:15):
Here's what I'll tell you.
Here's what I tell you.
They get wrong.
I always tell people, if you wantto save money, hire a professional.

Trey (42:22):
I'll take that quote.

Greg (42:23):
And why do you agree with that quote, Mike?

Trey (42:25):
Because it's gonna save you money in the long run.
you don't get all screwed up.
And my dad used to say, hirethe cheap guy and save the
money for the remodel later on.

Greg (42:34):
So if we have it specked out for 40 man hours, how long is 40
man hours to a weekend warrior?
It's quite, Are you gonna do a 40man hour project in the next weekend?

Trey (42:44):
No.

Greg (42:45):
You're gonna do four hours today, three hours the next day, the following
weekend, six hours, maybe eight hours.
Oh.
And if we have a SPECT out for 40 manhours, having done this thousands of
times, it's gonna take you 140 man hours.
So that's the summer.
Yeah.
So you're gonna take your whole summer.
You're not gonna get to enjoy thewater feature, and it's gonna look
like it when we do it in 40 hours.

(43:06):
It'll look four times better thanthe one that took you 140 man hours.
But if you're a hobbyist,knock yourself out.
' cause you don't care about the hours.
Yeah, this is your therapy.
But if you wanna save money, hire aprofessional, pay the money, get it done.
40 man hours to us is a10 hour day for four guys.
That's all summer for a homeownerdoing it for the first time.

(43:27):
And when you do it the first time, ita leak turn green and you know all the
problems that will happen because itsthe first time you've done something.
40 man hours to a professionalis 140 to a weekend warrior
and 140 is the whole summer.
So you'll get to enjoy it next year, butyou'll probably redo it 'cause it leaks.
So if you wanna save moneyhire, done right the first time.
Hire a professional.
If you're a hobbyist, knock yourselfout and enjoy the process to do it.

Trey (43:50):
Oh yeah.
We have a segment on herethat we call pool True Crime.
And we talk about, pretty much if there'sanything you've seen in the industry
that you're in and a nightmare thathappened that, just to educate someone
that's trying to pursue buying one ofthese products one of these oasis's
and something to be aware of, to avoid.
Is there anything that ringsthe bell or you could think of?

Greg (44:12):
Yeah, see the guac guys' work.
Oh, if you're going to invest tensof thousands of dollars of your money
go visit one of these guys' ponds.
Obviously you, number one thing is findsomebody who you relate to their style.
Yeah.
You see their projects and then govisit his house, go visit one of his
customer's houses and actually talk tosomeone that's done business with this guy

(44:33):
because anybody could show you a picture.
Let's actually go see the work.

Trey (44:36):
That's

Greg (44:37):
awesome.

Trey (44:38):
Where do you see Aqua Scapes going in the future to
help people in the backyard?

Greg (44:43):
So my goal in my business is to improve the consumer's
experience with their water feature.
And the funny thing is, after34 years, if you would've shown
me this when I was a 12-year-oldkid, my mind would've been blown.
So we're developing productsthat we ourselves would like.
So the things that we'recoming out with the smart.
Technology with the lighting, with theability to look at the ecology of the pond

(45:08):
and turn off pumps and do everything onyour phone is just unbelievable today.
How much more easier it is to maintainand understand your water feature just
with all of the technology what we'redoing is we're really pushing the
forefronts on the decorative elements.
Improving the consumer's experienceon the end user, and then also making
the contractor who is successfulwith their water features, so making

(45:31):
sure that they're trained properly.
The number one problem that we havewith contractors is they do a few
successful jobs and then they biteoff a bigger job than they may be
trained for, and so that's a perfectopportunity to connect with a certified
Aqua game contractor in your area.
Maybe not make as much money on the job,but learn through the process instead
of biting up more than you can choose.

(45:51):
Where is Aqua Scape going?
This is my 34th year in business andI'm looking for the next 34 years.
God willing.
'cause this is my hobby and it'sjust a very passionate thing.
So I appreciate you guyshaving me on your show.
Looking forward to hearing thefeedback from the consumers.
'cause ultimately, at the end of theday, I just wanna get more people
to feel the passion that I have forsomething that is my hobby, that I

(46:12):
was able to turn on my profession.

Trey (46:14):
I know in some ponds you have to have a certain amount of plant
material for the ecosystem to work.
So they have a bio zoneand they have a pond zone.
Is that, how

Greg (46:24):
do you That's more recreation pond, what you're
talking about with the bio zone.
Okay.
And all of these principles are bendable.
Are you full sun or are you full shade?
If you're full sun,might need more plants.
If you're full shade, they'renot gonna grow as well.
So these are all things that I cover inour social media that you'll see, that I
go out there and look at, and of course,any certified aqua scape contractor,
this is all part of Their online programtesting and of course the pandemonium

(46:47):
classes, the universities that we do.
Each water feature is unique.
Each setting is different, butthere's standard principles
that we wanna apply to it.
But everything is moldable, dependingon, are you a doctor with a 200 pound
guy that was a professional athlete?
Or is it a 200 pound guy that you know hasbeen drinking and smoking his whole life?
So we always model off of thisindividual customers in the

(47:08):
individual situations, but.
All this stuff is on our training and thisis why it's a never ending game of trying
to, continue to get the message out there.
Oh yeah.
I appreciate you guys having meon and I look forward to getting
feedback from your people and wouldlove to see you guys a pandemonium.

Trey (47:21):
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Can I get one more question with you?
Yeah, sure.
is there a certain length,because it sounds like you're
recirculating water back.
From,

Greg (47:29):
that's one of the big keys is they all recirculate.
So people go, where's the water going?
It recirculates.
Yes.
Okay.

Trey (47:34):
So if someone's wanting a system that runs a fairly long length, like down
a hillside from a visual standpoint Sure.
Do you do that as multiple systems you

Greg (47:43):
can, then there's all.
On the Aqua Scape University,we have the contractor toolkit.
If you're a contractoryou can get to that.
it's just straight numbers.
So there's water in transit formulas.
Is it a flat area?
the front of my pond is 600 feet longthat it recirculates from, but it's
flat so we don't have to worry nearly asmuch as water is transit if it was 600
feet or 300 feet over a 20 foot drop,

Trey (48:04):
okay.
That makes sense.
thank you for coming on though.

Greg (48:06):
I look forward to hearing more from you and good luck to you
and thank you for having me on.

Trey (48:10):
Okay, likewise.
You have an awesome day.

Outro (48:13):
This show is all about helping you become a better buyer, a better pool
owner, and hopefully you're gonna findsome insights into how to enjoy your pool
even more so how to help your friends,your family, anybody looking to buy a
pool in the future or that want to remodeltheir backyard, add an outdoor fireplace,
fire pit, add an outdoor kitchen area, addsome shade cells, or whatever else it is.

(48:37):
We wanna be that resource for you and, andthat's the end goal here, and we promise.
That there's gonna bea ton of information.
We'll try to go through it, youknow, as relatively quickly, but
also slow so people can understand.
But the intent of the show, thereason Mike and I are doing this
is because we just got a lot inour heads and we wanna share it.
So we hope to see youhere every single week.
Thanks for listening.

(48:58):
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