Ep 095 Outdoor Luxury Bath , Showers and Bathrooms

Welcome to the Luxury Outdoor Living Podcast with Mike and Trey Farley from Farley Pool Designs. In this episode they discuss the importance and benefits of outdoor bathrooms, showers and bath tubs in enhancing backyard retreats. They explore the concept's appeal, addressing common homeowner concerns, and explaining the detailed planning and costs. The episode covers different types of outdoor bathroom setups, from basic sinks to elaborate wellness centers with showers, bathtubs, and saunas. The Farleys also highlight practical considerations like plumbing, heating, and weatherproofing. Additionally, they examine design trends and material choices for creating functional yet luxurious outdoor spaces. Tune in to gain expert insights and tips on transforming your backyard into a personal paradise.

 

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00:00 Welcome to Luxury Outdoor Living 01:17 Understanding Outdoor Bathrooms 02:01 Designing the Perfect Outdoor Bathroom 05:15 Plumbing and Construction Considerations 18:26 Materials and Maintenance Tips 24:14 Incorporating Wellness and Additional Features 27:11 BBQ Bits: Bromic Gas Heaters 32:56 Outdoor Bathroom Codes and Considerations 34:06 The Appeal of Outdoor Showers 37:02 Outdoor Shower Practicalities and Challenges 45:05 Exploring Outdoor Bathtubs 52:33 Creating a Relaxing Outdoor Bath Environment 58:23 Conclusion and Viewer Engagement  

Episode Transcript

Intro (00:02):
Welcome to Luxury Outdoor Living Podcast with Mike and Trey
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Mike (01:17):
Good afternoon.
This is Mike Farley of Farley PoolDesigns and we are hosting the
Luxury Outdoor Living Podcast.
I'm

Trey (01:25):
here with Trey Farley with Farley Pool Designs.
Awesome.
So, oh yeah.

Mike (01:29):
we've got a really good episode and it has a lot to do with where you go.

Trey (01:34):
Oh Oh yeah.
I think when we deal with customers peopleenvision having some form of bath outside
and A lot of the customers aren't educatedon that process and what comes with that.

Mike (01:43):
and it's confusing when people ask for an outdoor.
Bathroom.
Mm-hmm.
They mean a lot of different things.

Trey (01:50):
Yeah.
A lot of 'em just don't want, kidsto be soaking wet and then going
back inside because obviously theydon't want them to pee in the pool.
But bath can evolve and bea lot of different things.
Yeah.

Mike (02:01):
So we're gonna cover a lot of different things today.
Yes.
I think we're gonnastart with the bath room.
Yes.
We're gonna build a space.
So the great thing about buildinga space outside is this is a
great investment on your property.
100%. Yeah.
Because, you got a four bedroom,three bath, now you got a four
bedroom, four bath, it all of asudden adds a lot of value to a home.

(02:24):
a lot of people, as you mentioned,they don't want all the wet.
Screaming children torun through their house.
Across the hardwood floors.
Yeah.
Across the marble and slip and fall or,mess the wood up or something like that.
So let's contain the activityof the outside, to the outside.

(02:45):
And so they, never have to come in.
Or they never have to leave out.
Exactly.

Trey (02:50):
Like even if the kids even like safely get through the house and come back
out they're probably gonna leave a trailof water and who knows who's gonna find
that the grandma or whatever like that.
solution can actually uh, muchavoid some, devastating injuries.
So, so

Mike (03:04):
it adds a lot of convenience that you don't have to go
back and forth and mm-hmm.
now you can stay outside and enjoy.
The Biophiliac design situationthat we created for you.
So you've got a space that you get to liveand you don't have to go inside the house.
Yeah.
You can just live out there and going tothe restroom is part of living out there.
So a couple of caveatsthat we should explain.

(03:24):
These aren't, we're nottalking about a porta potty.
Now, on some construction sites, whenwe're there for a long time, and it's
a large project, we will have a portapotty there during construction.
But after construction,we take that with us.
We don't leave it for youand your family to enjoy.

Trey (03:40):
Yeah.
You can't just drag that outto the backyard and use that.
That's probably not thebest option anyways.

Mike (03:44):
Anyway the other thing that we're not talking about is.
An outhouse?
No, not an outhouse.
So that's something that, whenI was a kid man, you're old.
wow.
Because

Trey (03:55):
I think of that, I think of like cartoons, you know, like that
it sounds like a historical monument.
The outhouse.

Mike (04:00):
So my great uncles in Oklahoma when I visited them as a small
child they had no indoor plumbing.
Okay.
They had an indoor sink.
They had water going to the sink, butthey had an outhouse that they used
outside, and it was a really coolone because it had multiple seats.
It had a big person seatand a small person seat.

(04:21):
So you as a child wouldn'tfall through the hole.
That's nice because it was disgusting.
Yeah.
Down in the hole.
Don't do that.
We're not speaking about houses.
No.
But yeah, we had, uh,

Trey (04:32):
luxury outdoor living.

Mike (04:33):
This is luxury outdoor living, so this is not roughing it and having to deal
with something slightly above backpacking.

Trey (04:40):
We're not trying to live off the land.
Yeah.
So

Mike (04:42):
there's some pretty nasty out houses that we've had to deal
with and a backpacking situation.
at trail heads, so what we're talkingabout is a space outside a structure.
That's going to have your maincomponents, which the typical main
three is you're going to have a sink.
And you're gonna have a toilet.

(05:03):
Yep.
And you're gonna have a shower.
Yes.
So those are the main three.
Now some people are lookingfor just the main two.
Yeah.
Which is a sink and a toilet.
That's

Trey (05:12):
the minimum.
Yeah.

Mike (05:13):
but from a space standpoint.
the big thing about a outdoorbathroom is the cost of the plumbing.

Trey (05:20):
Okay.

Mike (05:20):
So that's one of the huge drivers of the whole thing.
So when people ask, a lot oftimes they're like, you like
to do a sink in the barbecue.
Mm-hmm.
Or we'd like to do an outdoor shower.
Yeah.
Coming off of the back of the cabana.

Trey (05:35):
One item.

Mike (05:36):
One item.
Anytime you do that.
If you're dealing with a cityjurisdiction, you're going to have
to drain the wastewater to the sewer.
Yeah.
Okay.
And the challenge with it is, in mostcases, you can't do that by gravity.
Mm-hmm.
Because typically the structurethat you're building is not
uphill of the sewer for the house.

(05:57):
It's almost level ordownhill, almost always.
Okay.
So what you have to have, and therewas a name I'd never heard for it.
I was doing the research onthis, it was called an up flush.
Yeah.
Up flush.
That sounds kind of weird, doesn't it?

Trey (06:12):
Yeah.
Well, That makes sense.
I mean, You're trying to make watergo up or the content go uphill.
Yeah.
So,

Mike (06:17):
Which everybody says that doesn't happen, but in this case, this is that
have a grinding station in the toilet.
Yeah.
And the, so the toilet takes all thewaste material and grinds it up, and so
it can go through a little pipe and it'spumped from there to where the sewer is.
The sewer clean out isusually in front of the house.
And sometimes we're dealingwith rural property, it's

(06:39):
gonna go to the septic tank.
Yes.
That's not something that can be done.
It doesn't flow uphill.
So you have to have this pump station.
So when you do this type of situation,you're talking about getting water
there and doing a grinding station,you're easy, over $10,000 in cost.
Okay.

Trey (06:56):
So that perspective is.
Gonna answer probably for a lot of people,is it worth it putting a bath outside
or one of these items specifically?

Mike (07:02):
so once we have just the plumbing in, we have to build a structure.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
So what a lot of people don'tunderstand is economy of scale.
a lot of times people arelike, I just want a bathroom.
can we come in and just have a littlecovered roof area in front of it?
And so it's not that verybig and the challenge is.

(07:24):
You need a certain amount of moneyfor someone to come out and do work
and be cost effective and make money.
Yeah.
And so those size structures, if you getunder a 10 by 10 structure, someone's
not gonna make money doing that.
So when structures getdone you're gonna have.
Some form of walls on allfour sides of your bathroom.

(07:45):
Yeah.
Okay.
Now there's certain things, materialsyou have to look at that's gonna
handle the moisture and the wood.
And so what typically we do is we'regoing to frame the walls up, just
like you frame a regular house wall.
Then we're gonna, come in and come inwith some form of interior wall finish.

(08:06):
And that's gonna be stuc OEDover or painted depending on how
you finish the inside with yourheating and air conditioning.
And then we are gonna have an exteriorand some people are gonna use wood.
We use a lot of stone.
' cause again, we want somethingthat's low maintenance.
And so to come in and do masonryon four walls do framing and do, an

(08:27):
interior wall and an interior finish.
And so all these things you'rehitting the minimums on.
You gotta bring a painter out, yougot all these things you have to bring
out and it's a little bitty thing.
So, Usually to come in with a bathroom.
And some size.
Then you're gonna build itwith a structure of some size
to go what's in front of that.
You know, A 20 by 20 structure is notuncommon, but just the bathroom part, the

(08:52):
walls and the framing and all that stuff.
I mean, I tell people all the time,you're an easy $25,000 bathroom.

Trey (08:58):
Yeah.
And cause like the way you're sayingit I'm thinking to myself, how
common is it where you see a pool?
A bathroom and that's it.
I've never seen that before.
But when you see something like, oh, theyhave a cabana maybe it was more reasonable
to add that cost of the bathroom becauseyou already have a structure that
you can tie into like for instance,the one on the lake in uh, Worth.
Right.
comes to mind.

(09:19):
A situation like that'smore common or likely

Mike (09:22):
And.
What you have a lot of times is asyou're going through your requirements
of what you have to have, sometimessomebody's like, and the one thing
I have to have, you can do anythingelse you want in the backyard, but I
want a bathroom to preserve my house.
I don't want all these peoplethat are coming in wet and wooly.

(09:43):
I need 'em to stay outside and getcleaned up and, not trash my home.

Trey (09:48):
And I think thinking about the location of where your bathrooms
are, like, do you have a bathroomthat's relatively close to the porch?
And so is it a huge inclinelike the one on the lake?
The staircase they had to getto the house was, it was a trek.
It was a journey.
They when they were in that space,they wanted to be in that space.
They didn't wanna go all theway back up to their house.

Mike (10:04):
Oh yeah.
The steps were 20 feet.
Yeah.
It was crazy.
At least.
Yeah, so cool

Trey (10:09):
view.

Mike (10:09):
Yeah.
From the, upper balcony.
Yeah.

Trey (10:11):
But moving up those steps or down quickly while you're wet
doesn't seem like a great idea.

Mike (10:15):
Or you've had a beer or two.
Exactly.
It's a little

Trey (10:19):
dark.

Mike (10:19):
the best outdoor bath you can ever do is when you do your
home to set up a bathroom that hasan outside exterior door mm-hmm.
that you can easily access in andout in the overall flow of situation.
That is by far the best thingin the world that you could do.
Yeah.
Okay.
when you have economy of scaleis when it becomes even better.

(10:40):
' cause some people are like sinceI'm going to be doing a. Bathroom.
Mm-hmm.
Then I could do a sink.
Yeah.
And I could do an ice maker.
The ice maker's the killer.
Yeah.
So that's the one I never expected that Iwas going to have to drain to the sewer.

Trey (10:55):
You just drain into your grass.
You would assume, I,

Mike (10:57):
I would assume it's melting ice cubes.
I mean, Come on, how badis this water for you?
But the city's requirethat it's wastewater.
To go to the sewer.
So when you, you've got a sink.
if I've got a grinding station in byall means let's do the toilet, let's
do the sink, let's do the ice maker.
We can do multiple sinks.
One inside a bathroom and oneout in the outdoor kitchen.

(11:18):
Uh, now it becomes a more.
Palatable amount that we'regoing to spend out there.
Uh,

Trey (11:23):
So you're saying that with the up flush, you only need one you
don't need multiple up flushesfor all these different lines?

Mike (11:29):
No, the grinding station takes care of all of them.
All go to that and then ground it upand pumped up the hill to where No.
Let

Trey (11:36):
me ask you this.
this scenario, this is where thearea is uphill to the cleanup.
What if it's downhill?
What if you live on a hill?

Mike (11:45):
you can have gravity work Then you don't need a grinding station because you
can flush and it goes downhill and goesto the clean out and goes, okay, perfect.
So that works fine.
In my career, I can think ofthat happening only one time.
And that was going to, not to city sewer.
It was actually going to a septictank, which was downhill as well.

(12:06):
And so we were able to makeit, it was gonna be two.
Close to the house.
And so they pushed it out fartherso we could make the cabana work.

Trey (12:14):
And this is a situation where even if you're up, or even where your area's
uphill compared to the clean out, youstill need like a one by one or something
like that, like certain measurement of runa fall because you can't have something
that's flat, you can't have it go.
Uphill and then straightdown type deal, right?

Mike (12:31):
No, it's gotta be constant fall.
Okay.
From the apparatus?
Yes.
Going downhill.
Yes.
And as I said, that's only happenedonce and so I can't tell you off
the top of my head what kind ofpercentage of a pitch you have to
have in that pipe to make it work.
But that's where I'm gonna call my guysthat do that plumbing and say, Hey,
this is what I got, will this work?

(12:51):
And they're gonna tell me yes or no.
And we go from there.
Perfect.
So as you do the bathroom.
the thing, and that's where almostevery time I've done a bathroom, unless
we're dealing with something that's.
Limited by a square footage standpointwith a city code that the structure
can only be so big, and we're tryingto squeeze all these things in.

(13:13):
Almost everybody has a shower.
And we put the shower inside, not outside.
Okay.

Trey (13:17):
Well, I'm guessing that's because it's.
Freeze damage.
Well, because Because we do live inTexas, so our climate's gonna be different
than other people that are, yeah.
So

Mike (13:24):
since you brought up the freeze word freezing is going to
be a huge deal with any outdoorbathroom that you're gonna look at.
So, In most cases, you're gonna winterizethis and and you're going to shut the
water off and drain all the water outof the pipes, and you're not gonna
be using this type of structure now.
Some people are going to try to attachthis to an exterior wall of the house.

(13:48):
And so they can tap into thewater that's in the house.
Mm-hmm.
And so they can get the hot and cold waterthat's in the house into their bathroom so
they don't have to have a. Water heater.
Yeah.
For this facility.
So some people are like, we're all aboutrinsing the dog off and rinsing the
paddleboard off and rinsing the kids off.

(14:09):
And so this shower isn't somethingI'm gonna spend a lot of time in.
Yes.
And so cold water is fine.
We don't have to, you know, we're dealingwith this in the summertime when it's hot.
So we don't need heated water.
And other people are like, oh, time out.
It's gotta be heated

Trey (14:25):
water.
Especially if you get like abathtub or something like that.
If who wants to be in a coldbath, but we'll get to that.

Mike (14:30):
We'll get to that.
I was going with the exteriorwall is that wall is heated.
Mm-hmm.
And it's insulated.
And so it's a lot less susceptibleto a freeze than if we're putting
a structure in the middle.
Of the yard.
Yes.
And there's no insulatedwalls and there's no heat.
Now some people also will putsome form of heat in this room.

(14:51):
So it can keep that type situation.
So yeah,

Trey (14:54):
that can't backfire though, because if it does freeze,
then it's connected to the.
Interior of your wall and thenyou're having a leak in your house.
So I'm just, prefacing that 'cause Iworked in the field during what was it,
2021 when we had the giant freeze every

Mike (15:07):
Texas pool massacre.

Trey (15:08):
Yeah.
It's not typical that's gonnahappen every year, obviously.
Um, depending on your climate, itmight just be careful with when
you're thinking about where you'regonna put the location of a shower
or a sink or something like that.

Mike (15:18):
A lot of times people are just going to run a line.
From outside of the house and stick ashower head on the back of the house
and say, Hey, there's my outdoor shower.
Yeah.
And that's something that'svery susceptible to a freeze.
Yes.
So yes you have to be aware of it.
And so we usually will set those upwhere they can uh, that line out.

Trey (15:38):
You need to be able to drain it out completely because there was things
where you you could winterize 'em.
'cause I remember in thefield we had to rip out.
Some piping because there was noaccess to the actual line itself.
You could turn off the watergoing to it, but you still have
residual water in the pipe and youneed to be able to get that out.

Mike (15:54):
Yeah.
So you have to set it up with a, drain atthe end, the lowest point of the, line.
So you could open that upand have the water drain out.
Not just shutting the water offof it, but draining the line out.
So different parts of thecountry, and that's why people.
They go on vacation.
Yep.
And they see these things and use thesethings and they're like, this is great.

(16:14):
This is wonderful.
I want to take this home.
Yeah.
And do this at my house.
Now there's a couple of things thatyou need to think about is one is where
you go on vacation is typically warmer.
Yep.
Than your house.

Trey (16:27):
Yeah.
You don't live in the Caribbean.
Yeah.
And if you do Good for you.
That's awesome.
Okay.

Mike (16:31):
So if you're in Miami.
And you're getting this, then you havesomething that's possible versus, you
know what, although even this winter, thislast winter, they had what, seven inches
of snow in the panhandle of Florida?
Yeah.
I mean, So you gotta think abouthow you're gonna handle these things
regardless, I think of where you live.
Mm-hmm.
You've got a bathroomyou've got your up flush.

(16:53):
So we have a grinding station.
we've got the typical situation.
Now.
Some people are gonna come in andthey're gonna build four walls and
they're gonna put a roof over this.
And it is just, you're gonna finish itout just like you do your master bathroom.

Trey (17:07):
Yeah.
Materials and all that kinda stuff.

Mike (17:09):
So this is where you call and talk to your interior designer, like
we talked, a couple weeks ago to Susan.
Yeah.
And you have them come in and, furnishit just like you would furnish.
You know, You're gonna come in withrugs, you're gonna come in with mirrors,
you're gonna come in with all thefeatures the, the towel racks and the
storage and, and all the things thatyou're going to create in, a typical

(17:30):
master bath or bathroom type setup.
Now that's what some people do.
But the nice thing isit's customized to you.
Yeah.
So you can do whatever you want.
So I did a project a number of years agoand they were like, we have two boys.
Okay.
And we definitely want this whole projectto be about the boys entertaining.

(17:51):
Their friends and, familythat are gonna come over here.
And so we don't want a whole crewof boys running inside out of the
house like a bunch of crazy Indians.
And so we want an outdoor bath.
And they said the number onerequest the boys had is they
were like, we want a urinal.
Okay.
And because it was an all boys situation,we put a urinal in instead of a toilet.

(18:12):
actually I take that back.
It had a urinal and a toilet.
It had both.
Okay.
It was versatile.
So, whatever function, you know,just like you go into McDonald's
and you have your choice.
Exactly.
Yep.
Or what a burger, whichever one has the.
Room with both of them in there.

Trey (18:26):
is there a specific material like for flooring or for walls or whatever
it might be there is gonna be waterin this area that you would just not
use a certain material that you'relike, don't use this in a bathroom.

Mike (18:38):
There's a couple of things you wanna think about.
The first thing is, I look at thisas like a lot of restaurant bathrooms.
You look how they're finished out.
Mm-hmm.
And they're finished out so peoplecan come in and they can clean it.
Very thoroughly they're set up wherethere can be very low maintenance.
And so the first thing youwant is you want a tile floor.

(18:59):
Yeah, That's a non-slip tile floor,so you want to be able to hose
this off to a drain and the floor.
so you can clean this and it'svery easy to take care of.

Trey (19:10):
So you definitely recommend having a drain in the bathroom.

Mike (19:12):
I think a drain in the floor is a very wise thing to do.
Yeah.
Okay, so the next thing thatyou you're gonna want is.
On the walls a lot of the time, we'lltake the same tile that's on the floor and
run it up the walls for maybe three feet.
So you may have tile there,and then we might switch to
a sheet rock type situation.
Okay?
Now depends on if we're heated and cooled.

(19:36):
Okay?
So if we're not heated and cooled, youdon't really want to do sheet rock.
Because it's gonna be affected by themoisture and everything in that space.
And so you wanna finish itlike you would an outside wall.
Okay.
So like we did one just recentlyand there's no AC unit in it.
And so it's stucco in the inside andit's got the stucco on the outside.

(19:57):
Yeah.
You know, And we took the tileup three feet on the wall,
but it's stucco up above that.
Again, in your geographic area, there'scertain things you want to think
about on how you finish that out.
But a lot of times people will taketile all the way to the ceiling.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
We've done that as well.
So it's tile on the floor.
It's tile on the walls.
Really easy to clean.
It's easy to clean.

(20:18):
I have to worry about kids,you know, making a mess.
it's a low maintenance,very clean environment.
The big thing with an outdoorbathroom is it's gonna get dirtier
than a typical bathroom will.
Okay.
Because you got people with stuffon their feet coming in and out,
they're gonna be tracking things.
A lot of times people willuse the outdoor bathroom.

(20:39):
They'll build a shelf in thereso they can wash their dog.
Okay.
my wife thinks that would be the greatestthing in the world, is for her to have an
outdoor shower situation where she couldjust take the dogs and, clean them off.
Yeah.
Okay.
And it really helps that you don'thave to bend over to do that.
Mm-hmm.
So if there's a bench that's up 36inches, you know, you pop 'em up,
like you're popping 'em up on atable and it's easy to wash 'em off.

(21:02):
Yeah.
But it's gonna get dirtier.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
There's people that take.
All kinds of stuff into theoutdoor bathroom to clean it.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
They're taking their coolerin there to clean it out.
They're gonna dump it, they're gonnacome in and they're gonna clean off the
furniture, at the beginning of the season.
You know, There's all kinds ofthings 'cause you got a nice shower
head there and you know, you canclean things and it makes it easier.

(21:25):
But you need to be able to make theplace clean as easy as possible.
Okay.
Materials, you want stuff that's gonnahold up extremely well with uv handle
the temperature changes that you'regonna be in there and handle moisture.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Moisture's the big thingbecause moisture's gonna be
present because they're comingout of a pool a lot of times.

(21:46):
Um, then we're introducing it with,sinks and showers and additional things.
sometimes when people go into that space,they want to be environmentally friendly.
So there's a couple of things you can do.
You can use low flow faucets, youcan use low flow shower heads.
Some people.
We'll look at solar heatinga way to heat the water in

(22:09):
that space as a consideration.
So there, there's different things thatyou can look at to make it a little
bit more environmentally friendly.
Now, some people are gonnabe like, I need a heater.
And so in this space, you'regoing to have a closet that you
can therefore put a water heater.
Okay.
And depending on what size you'regonna need will depend on the size

(22:29):
of the closet that you're gonna have.
But that's something that,that you may wanna look at.
Another thing that you have to have inand outdoor bathroom is ventilation.
Yes.
Okay, so that ventilation couldbe a couple of different things.
One is some people will put just avent fan on the ceiling that they
run, the vent fan in the space.
Others are like, it'd be really niceto have some natural light in here.

(22:52):
And so we're gonna set a windowthat's up five feet high.
So still have privacy.
We don't have, people looking init or, that way we can, enjoy it.
Now I had a client onetime they had a great view.
Yeah.
And so when they sat on the toilet,they wanted to be able to look
at the great view that they had.

(23:12):
And so they had a window there.
Okay?
Yeah.
Now, there wasn't a neighbor over there.
No.
That's why.
So there was no one looking in at 'em.
And there was a hillside, so you literallycouldn't stand outside the window and see
it because there was quite a bit of drop.
you know, Sometimes when you're sittingthere contemplating, it's nice to be
looking at something beside sheet rock.
That's true.

Trey (23:32):
Yeah.
And everyone's a little bit different,so they probably don't have a
lot of kids running around too.
Right.

Mike (23:36):
we can create this space to be whatever you want it to be.
From a function standpoint

Trey (23:42):
in these bathroom areas I feel like today anything you can think that's
inside of the home, you can bring outside.
So were you talking like when wethink about bathroom lighting and
like mirrors and drawers and you saidcloset earlier for a water heater.
how much from the inside getspulled to the outside besides the
stuff we've already talked about?

Mike (24:03):
Well, it's a personal situation.
Most people are lookingat creating a small space.
Yeah, okay.
So they're not looking ata lot of detail this space.
It's but everybody's different.
So what's also getting done on in alot of these places is you're doing
a bathroom, but right outside ofthat bathroom is a wellness center.

(24:24):
You go outside of the bathroomand under the cover area as
well is We have the sauna.
Yep.
We've got a cold plunge.
Yep.
We've got maybe a hot tub.
Mm-hmm.
So we've got all thesedifferent things that, trying
to create this wellness center.
And we want protection from the elements.
We don't want it justsitting out in the rain.
but we wanna sit and look out of allthese things at the great view of

(24:47):
the garden and the pool and whateverfantastic thing that you're creating
on this particular environment.
So.
Sometimes it's notnecessarily inside the room.
Mm-hmm.
You're building a, I'dcall it a bath house.
Yeah.
And so in this bath house, thereis a room, which is the bathroom.
Yes.
But then you've got all theseother things in the bath house.

(25:10):
you know, From a wellness standpoint,you may have a yoga mat there you
may have, all your wellness arearight there inside that room or house
cabana, whatever you want to call it.
Yeah.

Trey (25:21):
I think one thing that comes to mind immediately is just like the
outdoor cooking space because, cleaningand prepping and stuff like that, if
you have a sink in the bathroom andyou don't have one in The kitchen area.
You can use that as well.

Mike (25:33):
Yeah, so a lot of times this room will be in a cabana, and in that cabana
you're going to then, like we just didone and it had the sink and it had the
ice ice maker and it had a fireplace.
And a griddle and a lot of servingspace right outside the bathroom.
Mm-hmm.
so, And then, that, it was a cabana,with a large seating area inside

(25:56):
there, so you could sit by thefireplace and watch the tv but then
you had all the stuff right there.
that was a hangout place where it waskind of a center hub for this whole
elaborate project that people would.
Then venture off and go to all thebasketball area and the putting green
and the pool and the diving platform.
And the climbing wall.
Yeah.
And the swings were allspread out from there.

(26:19):
So, This is where people could hang outand just chill not travel over the spot.
I

Trey (26:24):
think that's also a key thing, like the location of the bathroom area
itself needs to be easily accessed fromall the different activities you're
doing outside It should be a kind ofa hub or tied to the hub at least.
Like you're saying.

Mike (26:35):
Yeah.
So I don't think it's not somethingyou want to make glaringly,
like here's the bathroom.
No.
It should be close so you don'thave to hike to the back 40 to to
use the, that type of situation.
but it's incorporated into a lotof other things that might spin
off of that, that we may want toconsider, but, you might want to

(26:56):
check out the episode on Cold Plunges.
You may want to check out theepisode that had to do with saunas.
You may want to check out the onesthat had to do with outdoor kitchens.
All those usually tieinto that kind of space.
Oh,

Trey (27:10):
Yeah.
Those are great episodes.

BBQ Intro (27:13):
We are gonna take a break here for a second and get into outdoor living.
So with outdoor living, we like togo to barbecue bits here we're gonna
share some information of everythingthat you may want to consider in
your outdoor living space as far asfeatures, especially for the kitchen.
Hope you enjoy this.

Mike (27:33):
We can't use electric, right?
'cause we don't have the amperage for it.
We're gonna go to gas.
So we'd switch to Abramic.
Keter at that point.
That's right.
Okay.
So tell us about Broek.
Keter.
Why?
Why

Bobby (27:43):
Broek?

Mike (27:44):
Yeah.

Bobby (27:45):
It's like you said, while you was sexy.
It looks nice.
Uh, they have two versions.
They have the Tungan version andthey have the platinum version.
Um, believe it or not, thetungsten version's an open face,
so it's gonna have more bq, it'sgonna have more heat coverage.
Uh, we sell a lot ofplatinums because of the look.
What is the, what is thecow or the eyebrow on top?
What does that do?

(28:06):
Well, it allows you to getinto a combustion clearance.
So above that heater, that is thedistance to the ceiling you see up
there, it's 14 and a half inches.
That's how close I can get away.
Uh, from combustible, from wood.

Mike (28:19):
Okay.

Bobby (28:19):
Whereas if you direct your phone over here to this box heater,
which was in the Andrews Street sincethe early eighties, um, you have
to have 36 inch clearances above.
That's not correct.
You have to have a lot of room abovethat heater and it's pretty invasive.

Mike (28:34):
Right?

Bobby (28:35):
Right.
So when you go to Mick, uh, morestreamlined, more contemporary,
um, uh, the one question we'd get,Hey, does it have a high and low?
It does not.
Um, we don't do that with gasbecause they can blow out.
So it's, it's on or off is what it is.
And this is the same gas as electric.
You wanna buy 'em in pears anddefine that area is what you want.

(28:57):
Cool thing about the, uh, some of the,the gas heaters, they do have drop poles.
So if I have extremely high ceilingsand I wanna nestle them into a
corner area, I can do a, uh, blockedceiling, drop it down two feet.
And mount that heater on that particularpole and still not be invasive.
Also, I can do a back to back mount.
So if I do a center positioning where Iwanna cover two areas, I can do a, I can,

(29:21):
uh, provide a drop hole and I can mount'em back to back, is what we can do.
So pretty.
Pretty cool situation.
We have an an area to wherecustomer couldn't do two together,
but he wanted to cover some area.
So we did a center support, block the topdrop pole, and then then face out heating.
And, um, it gives you, um, alot of versatility versus the,

(29:42):
the big, uh, the larger heaters.
In other words.

Mike (29:45):
So these, the sizes this comes in or do these, they're.

Bobby (29:48):
The great question, two sizes.
There's a 500 series and a 300 series.
We kind of relate that to panels.
So this is a 500 series.
It has five panels in it.
Uh, the 300 series has three panels in it.
We'll very rarely usethe three panel more.
Five more is more with heating,uh, with the bra and gas.
What's the coverage?

(30:09):
Same as the electric 11 by 11 area

Mike (30:11):
is what it's, so you're gonna put two units in for an 11 by 11.

Bobby (30:15):
You, you want one unit?
We'll cover 11 by 11 area.

Mike (30:18):
Okay.
And then just wanted to clarify.
Yeah.

Bobby (30:20):
Yeah.
20, 20 feet in coverage of the definingarea for two is really what you want.
So, awesome.

Mike (30:26):
Appreciate it.
Now that came up with this new one.

Bobby (30:30):
So this is new.
Uh, this is, this istheir eclipse version.
So the eclipse is really, really cool.
It's called an eclipse.
And I think what, next month orthis month, we've got a, we've
got an eclipse coming, right?
So, uh, but this one here has, uh,in the summer it used as a light.
It looks like an eclipse.
It's a low voltage.
It's LED Halo is what it is.

(30:51):
Um, and then you can also useit as a heater in the winter.
This has what we call a, um, um, an armtype mount that's a pediment mount and
then they have, or a direct drop mount.
Um, the, the, the element up inside ofit, uh, is important, but the glass that
covers that makes the heater what it is.
It's for heat dis distribution.

(31:12):
If you've ever seen any inductiontops that have what we call the shot
ceramic glass, this is what this is.
Uh, shot ceramic glass.
It disperses heat evenly andit will cover a 10 by 10 area.
The gradient is 33 66 0.99.
It's high, medium, low, and youcan use the remote with that.
So does that rotate to different angles?

(31:33):
It, it does not.
Um, it has different mounts.
It's, it's gonna be a permanent mount,but you, it's always gonna be facing
straight down like that and static.
No, he, he, above that, it's all downward.
Um, and this is.
For, for heating.
This is the newest, uh, to the, uh,to the category in outdoor heating.

(31:54):
Well, it sure is cool looking.
It is, yeah.

Mike (31:56):
What would you say the height that you're gonna be working with with this is?
Um,

Bobby (32:00):
if you'll notice in all onic literature, when you start kind of surfing
through it, you'll find out that, uh,96 inches, eight feet is your minimum.
Your maximum is about nine to 10 feetwhere you can be okay, uh, on these.
Um, but it's value added on areal contemporary setting or.
If you've got a specific areathat we just specified, we put
a couple of them out there.

(32:20):
It's gonna be interesting to see how that,that ends up and, uh, what that looks
like a little, little more contemporary.
And it's different.
It's not what their neighborshave or what's standard and
offered, uh, in the industry.
So,

Mike (32:30):
yeah.
Yeah.
The one client loves it.
So we're, uh, finishing upthe architectural drawings
on a, with the house.
Yeah.
But they love everythingwe did with the pool.

BBQ End (32:42):
So I hope you enjoyed the barbecue bits that we just featured today,
and we'll have more coming up next week.
If there's something in particular thatyou're interested for, let us know and
we'll get back into the episode now.

Mike (32:56):
One thing a lot of people have asked is there anything I have to do
special when I do an outdoor bathroom?
And.
The issue is almost all the time,there are codes that are gonna tell
you what you have to do and whatyou can't do in a particular space.
Mm-hmm.
So those codes are going to drivea lot of what's gonna take place.

(33:16):
And so what you want to do isyou wanna work with somebody that
understands what those things are.
Yeah.

Trey (33:22):
Specific to your area.

Mike (33:24):
Specific to your area.
So you don't do a lot of planningon something and then find out
this isn't even possible to do.
certain regulationsthat you have to follow.
Now, one thing that a lot oftimes comes into play is when we
typically do a outside bathroom,there's typically a ceiling.
Yes.
So a couple of these other thingsthat we're gonna talk about.

(33:46):
You are allowed a little more flexibilitywith code because there isn't a ceiling.
You're dealing with walls, which setbackwise and code wise are a lot of times
a lot closer to the property line.
And so you can do these in smallerspaces where couldn't put a
structure there's not enough space.
Yeah.

(34:06):
So why don't we jumpover to outdoor showers?
Okay.
Perfect.
We've decided we want a space.
We don't want a roof over it.
And we'd like, because we wentto that Caribbean island and
had this awesome outdoor shower.
We want a shower outside that we can use.

Trey (34:25):
Can I say this real quick?
I don't want to knock the shower at all.
I think it's a cool feature.
But I think a lot of people like logicallywould have showers back in the day
was because they had salt water pools.
And we don't typically sellthose anymore because of the
technology that's available now.

Mike (34:41):
a lot of people wanna rinse the chlorine off.
True.
That's true.
Okay.
Yeah.
Or sometimes the salt off.
Yeah.
But the salt and the salt water pools,the salinity level of a teardrop.
So it's not real high, but.
A lot of people they're thinkingback in the day when you had
high chlorine levels mm-hmm.
and you definitely wanted to rinseoff immediately after swimming.

(35:02):
Yeah.
Because of the high chlorine levelsand so that people wanted to shower.
So you're a hundred percent right.
I used to do a lot moreshowers than I do today.
The shower of today has been drivenby the wellness and outdoor living
experience that people get on vacation.
That's true.
It's not so much that we're looking at thefunction of it as the experience of it.

(35:26):
Yeah.
And so there's a couple of thingsthat, you know it's really cool to
have when you have that because youknow you're gonna keep your pool cleaner.
Yes.
Okay.
Because.
There's people that went andplayed in the grass and now
they got grass and mud on 'em.
And so before they get in the pool,there's a lot of people that are

(35:46):
like, Hey, shower off and clean off.
So all you've got on, youdoesn't end up in the pool.
Yeah.
And, vice versa.
As we come in at the end of the day,hey, just shower off real quick.
It's like when you went to the beachand as you're leaving the beach, you
know, you, you get to use the showerto clean all the sand off of you.
Yeah.
So there's a lot of people that,that's why they want an outdoor shower.

(36:08):
'cause they just want stuff to be cleaner.
Yes.
Some people, it's.
I'd love to cool off.

Trey (36:13):
That's what my mind went to.
Like immediately.
The most logical reason for meis love saunas and that is a
place where you sweat and you getgrimy and all that kind of stuff.
Being able to wash that off right away.
I think it's a great idea.

Mike (36:27):
Yeah.
And it's great because usually Ithink of going from that to a pool.
Mm-hmm.
But then you take all the sweatand everything, grimy stuff,
and you dump it into your pool.
Yep.
So it'd be a lot nicer to justrinse it off and have it go down
the drain and so that, it isn't.
Make my pool is, is ugly.
The cooling off aspect of evenin the you're just working out in
the yard and it's a summery dayand you're again, sweaty and grimy.

(36:51):
And a lot of people are like well,that's when I dive into the pool.
Well, You could just shower,could take a shower and then
you could dive into the pool.
So it just is a nice wayto cool off in that space.
But.
As we mentioned earlier in the indoorbathroom, especially in in the outdoor
shower where it's just a showercoming out of a wall type situation

(37:11):
is it's real easy to clean stuff off.
Oh,

Trey (37:13):
yeah.

Mike (37:14):
Kids.
Dogs.
Dogs everything you can thinkof that you wanna rinse off.
You've got this nice spray head goingyou can get some really nice ones mm-hmm.
in there.
You can have that going soyou can clean things off.
So like

Trey (37:27):
shoes, I mean, how many times have I, like we go outside and
it's just rained and we have todo something and you, you step in.
The mud and it's like, well, I don'twanna track this to their house.
And then it's like, okay, I'm gonnaclean this in the sink in my house,
but then the sinks can be trashed.
It's, yeah.
So.

Mike (37:44):
the other thing a lot of times people is they just wanna go back
to where they were on vacation.
Yeah.
it's an experience that creates amemory and you wanna relive that memory.
There's people that build wholeoutdoor environments 'cause they
loved where they went on vacation.
Yeah.
So sometimes it's just a simpleshower that they really enjoyed there
and so they want to, create that.
The other thing is.

(38:05):
When you have an outdoor shower,the walls aren't typically as close.
Mm-hmm.
And so it's nice 'causeit feels more open.
Yeah.
It's not as crowded type situation, soit just feels bigger than when you're
showering inside the house, which is cool.
There are occasions like wejust had the 4th of July.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
So when you have a ton of people thatare over and the bathroom is full up.

(38:27):
people are waiting because there's onlyso many, you bathrooms in the house that,
you somebody wants to just rinse off orwash their hands or something like that,
they can use the outdoor shower for that.
So it becomes an extra space.
Now I wonder if you caninclude that as a half bath.
When you're listing your,

Trey (38:44):
your home maybe,

Mike (38:45):
and you put your home, yeah.
I don't know.
I have to ask a realtor that.

Trey (38:48):
Yeah.
It's also I think a little bit moretherapeutic, if you're jumping into
a pool to cool off, I get that.
But if it's if you're trying to cleanoff but get cool at the same time.
You're having water rinse down fromthe top to the bottom cleaning you off
versus just swimming in in the waterthat's quote unquote cleaning you.

Mike (39:05):
Yeah.
So any other reasons youthink a shower's great?

Trey (39:08):
No,

Mike (39:09):
there's some cons to it.

Trey (39:10):
There's a lot of cons and I worked in the field a lot and I.
I saw the winter apocalypse,the right where it killed pretty
much every shower possible.
So I have a negative mindset becauseof that, but I do understand if you're
in the perfect climate or you winterizeit and prevent that from happening,
it's an amazing piece of equipmentyou can have on your your backyard.

Mike (39:31):
you definitely want to use features that are frostproof.
Yes.
And along with that.
You want to use tiles if you'redoing any tile work or anything
like that, that's also frostproof.
'cause you're gonna put moisture out thereand then the capability of it freezing is
higher than if you just have a tile that'snot got any moisture around it at all.

(39:51):
So that's just something to think about.

Trey (39:53):
What about, uh.
how it works.
Like If you're saying it'soutside, there's no walls, right?
May, maybe it comes outta onewall and the rest is open.
Are, is it draining into a drain?
Are you on gravel?
what's the base you're standing on?
This is very important stuff.

Mike (40:06):
Oh.
So again, we're going back tofirst thing I would say you
have to go back to is code.
Okay.
Okay, so what's your code?
A lot of codes are going to require,oh, we've got an outdoor shower here.
This has to still draininto a sewer system.
And so there has to be a drainthat goes into something.
So this is a lot of times,again, where you're gonna have

(40:27):
to have a grinding station.
Yeah.
a lot of times this is tied in with.
Your cabana and your outdoor bathroom,and instead of an in store indoor
inside stall for a shower, there'sa shower head on the outside.
I've even done structures that have both.
Okay.
They've got a shower head on theoutside, so if somebody wants to use
the outside one, they can use it.

(40:48):
And when people are usingthe bathroom mm-hmm.
but then there's a shower inside as well.
So you could use that.
the gray water, the waste water is goingto be drained into a sewer type situation.
Yeah.
Now, there are some places that you aregonna put this and there isn't a code.
And so the biggest thing that youneed to deal with is you don't

(41:09):
want to create drainage problems.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
So this has to drain well, yeah.
And as you said, A lot of timesit's gonna be like a wood deck.
A lot of times that's a commonsituation, a piece of wood decking.
And underneath of that,there's gonna be a gravel sump.
So the water that runs intothat then can, disperse out.
you're gonna run, put a, drain boxunderneath there and drain it out.

(41:33):
Yeah.
So it depends a lot on, again.
Code's, the number one driver.

Trey (41:37):
Yeah, 100%.
I think that's the big differencebetween like, people go on vacation,
they see these showers, theylike, like for instance, I went to
the Caribbean, I went to Mexico.
Those places, they had showersand they didn't have any kind of
infrastructure for drainage at all.
It just went on the groundand wherever it went, it.

Mike (41:54):
were those cold water or hot water?
It was cold.
Yeah.
So a lot of places, if it's coldwater will allow you a different set
of rules than if it's heated water.
Okay.
If it's heated water, then theythink, okay, people are gonna
pull the bar of soap out and startsoaping up and stuff like that.
That makes sense.
The soap is gonna be detrimentalto the environment, and so

(42:15):
that's gotta go somewhere.
And so that's why it's wastewater.
Okay.
Instead of just groundwater.
So those are all things that you're cominginto play, but again, when you're in
the tropical setting, cold water's fine.

Trey (42:26):
Yeah, that makes sense.
I never even thought about that.

Mike (42:28):
Yeah.
And the big thing again, with thecold, the exposure and how you're
gonna protect that situation.
The other thing though, as a con is.
If you're gonna use a shower andyou rinse off and it's a cloudy
day, or there's a little bit of abreeze, I mean, that's kind of cold.
Yeah.
And so it's not quite as comfortableas when you're in the Caribbean,
Uhuh, taking this shower.

(42:49):
So well

Trey (42:49):
also to that point, I mean, say they don't have a shower inside their bathroom.
This is the shower they use, it's outside.
The privacy factor, like are you, like,how are you gonna use this shower?
Is this just like awash off the feet thing?
Wash up in your bathing suit?
Are you trying to actuallyuse this like a real shower?
Enjoy the view and enjoy the environment.
Like you have to think about those things.

(43:11):
What are your uh, yourmission with this product?

Mike (43:14):
Well, And so therefore.
How are you creating screening mm-hmm.
and privacy around this space.
So you're comfortablewith what's taking place.
yeah, that's something definitely tothink about is both of these settings
that, or others, the outdoor bath.
So both of those, a shower and a bath.
How you create your privacyis done in different ways.

(43:38):
Okay?
Some people, the privacy'sgoing to be created from the
structure that you're up against.
Mm-hmm.
That's blocking theviews from other people.
So that's something to think aboutand how you're gonna use the space.
But the other thing, I was looking at, oneof the things that kind of surprised me
is under bathtubs, it's a popular thingto do, is they like 'em on rooftops.

Trey (43:59):
Really?

Mike (44:00):
And I was like.
You're exposed out there.
But yeah, a lot of times the roof ridgeis gonna give you privacy and you may
have a little balcony that's got yousome privacy and that type of thing,
and you've got a great view and Oh yeah.

Trey (44:12):
So those are the best kind of balconies where you have
privacy from everybody else, butyou still can see everything.
Yeah.

Mike (44:17):
You're gonna see in one direction usually.

Trey (44:19):
Exactly,

Mike (44:19):
yeah.

Trey (44:20):
And

Mike (44:20):
but behind you, you've got some type of screening.
Mm-hmm.
That's giving you some protection.
The other thing is just.
Protection from the elements andthe wind and those type of things.
Because the comfort level when you'rein something versus you're sitting in
a tranquil, sunny environment, you'vegot a nice southern exposure, and you're
sitting there and you're nice and warmversus, you're in the shade and there's

(44:43):
no sun and the wind's coming through.
That's a totally different experience.
And I mean, may made the differencebetween, Hey, we're gonna use this.
20 times outta the year, or we mightuse this two times outta the year.
Yeah.
Or we might use it 42times outta the year.
I mean, It just, the environment thatyou put this in and create is gonna have
a lot to do with how often you use it.

(45:05):
the difference between, our shower andour bath is with our bath, we're going to.
Create a space and we're going tolounge in that space and enjoy it.
So this is different than a hot tub.
So in the fact that you're gonnaput water in it and then you're
gonna drain water out of it.
So it's, type of situation.

(45:26):
But a lot of different things to considerwhen you're looking at a bathtub.
And the first thing is, what kindof tub is, it has a lot to do with
the kind of creating the setting.
Yeah.
So I didn't realize until doing someresearch and I didn't think about it
after I started doing some research,I was like, yeah, there are a lot

(45:48):
of different types of bathtubs.
I'm just gonna run throughsome of 'em that, you may
want to think about as you go.
And then.
The space that you may put theseinto would be kind of I'll look
at next, but the first thingis the old fashioned claw tub.
It's got the four feet on it.
Yeah.
so this tub is, setting separate, it'snot tucked into a wall or anything like

(46:12):
that, but it's a architectural piecethat's usually centered or it's in a space
and a lot of times the water's coming out.
In the center instead of on an end.
All the bathtubs I grew up withinas a kid, the water came in one end.
Yeah.
In a lot of architectural settings anda lot of, really nice bath situations.

(46:33):
You've got, so you can lounge onthe ends and the, you don't have a
faucet that's poking you in the backor anything like that, and you've got
a place that you can really relax.
creates a really nice setup.
So another one that I saw when I wasin Denver is there's a company there
that does a lot of copper work andthey did all kinds of copper bathtubs.

(46:55):
Which were really nice and pretty.
And again, they're just a single piece.
You've got also, whatthey call is a boat bath.
And the fact that it's kind of comes upon both ends and the water's gonna come
into the middle and it's shaped like aboat, you can lay back on either side.
There's a slipper baths.
And the slipper has higher sides on it.

(47:18):
And they said this was originallydone when you had public baths.
Oh, okay.
And so this was to give youa little bit of privacy.
Yeah, Yeah.
so it was up a little bit higher.
Some of the bathtubs are gonna be freestanding, but they're gonna have a solid
skirt that goes all the way to the ground.
So this gives a little bit moremodern look instead of you seeing

(47:38):
feet on it or something like that.
But it just goes and it's real cleanlooking, minimalistic type situation.
Now, there was one where instead ofskirted, they actually did paneling.
On the sides of the bath.
Now this would work great inside of abathroom, but I didn't see that that
was gonna work real well outside tohave paneling around your bathtub.

(47:58):
But a sunken bath.
We're gonna sink it down a littlebit, so it's more like a spa setting.
And it maybe the deck comes up a littlebit and the bathtub sunk into it.
So there's some that have rolled edgeson 'em, so those are really nice.
I saw some that were actuallybathtubs that were made out of like
a slab of stone, like one wholebig piece of stone, and they carved

(48:22):
the bathtub out of that, which wasa really phenomenal looking thing.
There were some that were marble.
So that was really cool.
There's round bathtubs.
Those were cool as well, you know,you've got all these different
tubs and you're gonna create aspace that you're gonna put it in.
one that I thought that was the mostintriguing space that you're gonna
put this bathtub in was a greenhouse.

Trey (48:43):
Okay.

Mike (48:43):
And they said, if you really live in a wetter area where it rains a lot.
But you still wanna have an outside bath.
You can pull a lot of plants aroundyou and give you a really garden
esque feeling inside the greenhouse.
And regardless of the time of theyear, you could go out into that
space and you could take a bath.
Interesting.

Trey (49:01):
I never thought about that.

Mike (49:03):
I hadn't either.
And I thought that was anintriguing one that, yeah, I
kind of was like that's cool.
the ones I think that I liked thebest was what I call the wall to wall.
So you basically built this bathup against the wall of the house.
Then you came in withscreening on two sides of it.
So it created like a U-shaped space.

(49:24):
Mm-hmm.
And the bath was in that space in betweenof it, and it filled the whole area.
Yeah.
So it was, nice and comfortableout in, but you had maximum privacy
you had maximum protection from thewind, and you, you had a view out
one and you had a view overhead.
That I thought was, uh.
a pretty cool type situation, but somepeople that's too structured and so

(49:47):
they want to use plants for privacy.
Mm-hmm.
Now the challenge with plants forprivacy is some plants shed their
leaves at certain time of the year.
Yeah.
The other challenge with plantsfor privacy is the amount of
debris that you're gonna get.
Oh.
In your bathtub.
Yeah.
Or your space.
So you're gonna have to clean thisarea out, I would think pretty heavily

(50:08):
before you use the bath every time.

Trey (50:10):
Which I mean is relatively easy.
You already have water right there.

Mike (50:13):
Yeah.
So there's sometimes peoplewant his and her bathtubs or.
Two baths for people to use together.
This is a lot of times I would see thiswould be more like an Airbnb maybe.
Mm-hmm.
Versus, your house, where youhave a view that you could look out
and you could, you set each other.
So, Which I think is nice in thefact that people sometimes like

(50:37):
water at different temperatures.
Yeah.
And so some people would likereally hot bath and some people
would want a cooler bath, but.
The challenge with it, it is also a bath.
And the temperatures do cool off in baths.
Yep.
So you're not gonna hang out therefor a real long time, versus, a
hot tub might be a better solution.

Trey (50:55):
But, you know, these are all outdoor scenarios.
These are all

Mike (50:58):
outdoor scenario.
Now, one thing with a bath tub isyou want to make sure that it's
gonna be able to handle the uv.
Yes.
Over a period of time.
Yes.
again, we're exposed, we havenothing overhead to protect it.
Okay.
And it's out in the open,so how's that gonna hold up?
And depending on the material thatyou're looking at, you that's something
to understand as you question somebody.

(51:21):
Brings me to, I thought a real coolone, which we talked to in episode 76.

Trey (51:27):
Splinter works.
Splinter works, yeah.
They make some cool bathtubs.
The hammocks,

Mike (51:31):
the ham, the bath hammock.
Yeah.
I like those.
Which was their original beforethey came up with the slide.
That was their original.
Product that they came up with.
Yeah.
As a concept.
So that

Trey (51:43):
was a good episode.

Mike (51:44):
I saw something they did recently where they had the
outdoor baths at a large event.
I think it was like a, raceor something like that.
And they actually had 'emset up both heated and cold.
So you could use it as a cold plungeor you could use it as a heated
bath after the race type situation.
Yeah.
So I thought that was a reallycool thing that they had done.

Trey (52:06):
So these are all outdoor uses that we're talking about scenarios,
and I think that There's a lotof different people and a lot of
different tastes and stuff like that.
I spec like just my opinionand I, doing design work later
on or anything like that.
I don't care what my opinion is.
Whatever you want, that'swhat we're gonna do.
But I really think that having aindoor space that's tiled and you

(52:28):
have this big open window you cansee through, you got a great view.
I think that is an amazingexperience with a bath because you
are not having to deal with bugs.
And you're also, the heat itself,it's contained in that little room.
So it's the warm water climate controlled.
Yeah.
It'll last a little bit longer and youcan, you station a little, a table or

(52:49):
something like that to put a book on aglass of wine or whatever it might be.
That is amazing as well.
these baths, I know we're talking aboutspecifically outdoor uses in general.
This is a great way to, incorporatein your bathroom that's outside
or something like that, orthe wellness area in general.
This isn't just specificallyjust isolated a bath.
This is like a wellness.

(53:10):
Feature because people lovetaking baths in general.
A lot of people do.
Yeah.
So it's like a hot tub in a

Mike (53:16):
way.
Yeah.
some people, they're like, okay.
Everything you talked about sounded great,but I do have to have a roof over my head.
Mm-hmm.
but I wanna feel like I'm part of nature.
And so give me walls on three sidesand then just leave one side open
half a glass roof the other thing istoday, which is done so much, is, do

(53:36):
walls on four sides with pocket doors.
So we can just open these doors up andnow we can feel like we're part of the
outdoor setting that's comfortable.
Yeah.
Maybe six months outta theyear, most every place you go,
you're gonna get six months.
Seasonal that this might work.
So sometimes it might be threemonths that this might work.

(53:56):
I'm talking

Trey (53:57):
about outside use.

Mike (53:58):
Yeah.
'Cause you're gonna betoo hot some of the time.
Yeah.
You're gonna be too cold some of the time.
Yes.
In certain parts of the country that,may wipe out nine months outta the year.
So you may have a window of threemonths that, you may wanna open
the, big doors and, do that.
And that's where a lot of timespeople are like, that's not
a practical situation for me.
Exactly.
Yeah.

(54:18):
And so let's not do that and spend,$35,000 on a set of doors that,
you know, open up and do that.
But then you've got other areas that.
Nine months you know, like here youget almost eight or nine months.
That's really nice.
Yeah.
You're gonna get a couple of months.
It's just too bloody hot.
Okay, so you're not gonna wantit open at that point in time

(54:38):
'cause it's just too warm.
Mm-hmm.
And then it's too cold someof the time, so you're gonna
have it, shut down for that.
But, with the use of outdoor heaters anda space there's just a lot of people that
wanna be, you in the outside environment.
This is a little differentthan a cold plunge.
This is a little different than a shower.
This is different than a hot tub.
You know that

Trey (54:58):
I think that the contrast between the cold plunge is perfect.
' cause that's an exampleof a specific health.
Wellness item to use.
You get in it, it's gonnabe cold, regardless.
It doesn't matter.
you know, If it's hot out or coldout you're using it just for specific
health benefits versus a bathis used for comfort, relaxation.
Yeah.

(55:18):
It's a whole different ballpark.
And understanding, that concept thatthis is for relaxing, being able to
figure out what's relaxing around you.
Is the best way to figure outwhat the best situation is if
you're wanting to get a bath.

Mike (55:31):
Yeah.
again, everybody's different and weare pushing the envelope farther and
farther of, taking the walls down andputting living spaces in the outdoors.
Mm-hmm.
And 10 years ago, this wasn'teven hardly a blip on the radar?
No.
Okay.
Nobody, I mean, they didn't have this atresorts, maybe they did but not very many.

(55:53):
Versus today it's a muchmore common situation.
And so what you see is they push theenvelope and resort activities and
resort settings, and that goes back home.
And so more and more peopleare experiencing it, and
so it's going back home.
And it's going to increase withregularity of what people want.

(56:14):
It's just.
you gotta look at the pros and thecons of all these different things and
what's truly capable for your situation.
And we want to create a greatenvironment for you to uh, live in.
this is a lot of people are like.
This is really living and so thisis what I want, and that's what
we want to create for you as well.

(56:34):
A hundred percent.
When you do an outdoor bath, I think evenmore than we mentioned with the shower,
is I think you want to think of whattime of day you're going to use this.
Mm-hmm.
And you want to think about theamount of sunlight that you're
going to have in the space.
That you're going to use.
And so will this be a comfortabletime and setting for the space

(56:57):
that you're going to create?

Trey (56:58):
Yeah.
Is it gonna be too dark?
'cause a lot of people are gonna bewanting to use baths at the end of
the day to relax after a long day.
So being able to have decentlighting in that area is key.
Whether that be lighting from the groundso it doesn't shine in your eyes, or
some fire features or something to help.
But yeah, understandinglighting for the space is key.

Mike (57:16):
And the other thing that we said was key with the shower,
and it is again with the outdoorbath, is the drainage situation
and how you're gonna handle that.
But the whole thing is we'recreating environments for you
to have a great experience.
So whether it's a bathroom.
And this is creating convenience foryou so you can stay outside and enjoy

(57:40):
the space so your family can, notbreak the spell that they're under.
You're creating great memories.
And then, everybody's gottago inside to use the restroom.
And then.
Falls apart whatever was taking place.
But you can stay outside and enjoy thattime and space that you've created.
or if it's simply, things about relaxingand wellness that we're creating with

(58:02):
the showers and the bath all the otherthings that we can have in a space.
We just want to createa space that, you know.
Is yours and that you enjoy andthat you find that, you wanna
live there and enjoy being there.
And it's like you said in thebeginning, this is luxury versus

Trey (58:20):
Necessity.

Mike (58:21):
Necessity.

Trey (58:22):
Yeah.
our goal is to educate the customerat the end of the day and being able
to understand all these differentparts that go and do, a bathroom
that you might want to have outside?
Is, just good information to, to ponderon while you're going through the process.
So.

Mike (58:36):
Good luck with your process and if you have questions
for us, please send those in.
Yes.
And we can answer those.
If there's some topics thatyou'd be interested in us
discussing that we haven't gotto yet, just send those as well.
If this has been helpfulinformation, share it with friends.
Uh, Like it and we look forwardto talking to y'all some more.

Trey (58:55):
Y'all have a good day.
Take care.
Bye-bye.

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