Ep 106 Step 4-Look Nice in Your Outdoor Living Space

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Mike (01:12):
Good afternoon.
This is Mike Farley withFarley Pool Designs.
We're here sponsoring the Luxury OutdoorLiving Podcast, and we've got step four
for you today about the design process.
So outro, we've covered.

Trey (01:26):
We covered the beginning of the process.
Your dream.
Your Your dream.
Yes.
Was number

Mike (01:29):
one.
Okay.
What was, it was number

Trey (01:31):
two.

Mike (01:31):
Number two was your backyard the analysis of your property.
Yes.
So that was crucial.
So on three, we covered.
Entertainment and outdoor livingand how all that flows together.
And so some people, that'sas far as they're gonna go.
They're gonna do the dream and they'regonna analyze it, and they're gonna do
the outdoor living and they're done.

(01:52):
Now, step four, some people are goingto get into some things that look nice.
So we're gonna talk aboutthose things as well.
Of course most people wanttheir backyard to look nice.
Most people do.
Yes.
So in the process, there's kind ofseveral steps as you're looking at
a pool and outdoor living space.
So some people there's fourpriorities that we look at.

(02:13):
the first thing is general activity.
Mm-hmm.
We're gonna use it for just general use.
We're gonna talk about, howyou're gonna use it as a family.
We're gonna talk about a pool,we're gonna talk about the outdoor
living space and how that's used.
The second thing is some people usetheir space for exercise and their pool.
And so we're gonna talkspecifically about that.
And then we're gonna talk aboutentertainment, which we've done that.

(02:35):
And now we're gonnatalk about looking nice.
So.
Everybody has differentpriorities with those four.
So a lot of times we're like, it's helpfulfor us to know, if one of those might
not be important to you, or sometimesit's two aren't important to you.
But,

Trey (02:49):
and I'll tell you the majority of the time, it's.
Exercise is probablythe lowest on the list.
Oh, that's not always the case.
Some

Mike (02:54):
of the things that are changing is what I would say is
the exercise section is wellness.
Yeah.
And the wellness A is one of thebiggest growing things in the
outdoor living space, which hasto do with exercise and creating a
great space But, There's severalthings that you may wanna consider.
As you're creating your space so oneof the first things that I think today

(03:18):
that it's critical for you to do isto have three dimensional modeling.
Yes.
So I don't do that.

Trey (03:24):
No you don't.

Mike (03:25):
No.
So training, well

Trey (03:26):
you used to you used, 'cause you do your 2D drawings obviously
'cause you're the designer.
But then you also used to do sections,you know, you'd bring sections or
perspectives, site lines maybe.
Yeah.
To life.

Mike (03:38):
So we used to, you know, if you ever had a cake and you cut it
down the middle that's a section.
And you look at the side of it and youcan see kind of what it looks like.
And so you would.
Chop the project in differentpieces and you could analyze it and
you could see what it looks like.
But that's not what I was talking about.
But that's not the sections you're talking

Trey (03:57):
about.
No, no, no.
That, That is a, agreat tool for builders.
But I'm speaking about if you look out, ifyou imagine you're in this spot, like you
can do a 3D modeling, you can just go toone spot of the job of the design and you
could look out and see what it looks like.
Didn't you used to back in your day like.
Draw it like an artist.

Mike (04:11):
Oh yeah.
Like a one pointer ortwo point perspective.

Trey (04:14):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Your van goghs.

Mike (04:15):
Yeah.
So we used to well, you know, hey, Igot a college scholarship doing that.
I know.
So That's awesome.
back in the day to do a presentationof one thing, it took me about three
weeks of working on this drawing.
Wow.
I got a third place instate with the drawing.
Oh, shoot.
Okay.
It was a pretty decent drawing.
But it was perspective and this oldtechnology, we used to use these

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boards that had vanishing points on'em and how to make everything work.
And so all my shingles wentto one vanishing point on one
side and the other on the roof.
And the whole nine yards and 3Dmodeling is much, much better.
Oh yeah.
Today.
So, The biggest challenge with3D modeling is that the site.
Is accurately put in thethree dimensional model.

(05:03):
Yes.
So this is a really crucial thingthat a lot of times is not done.
And so when you look at the picturedoesn't represent your yard properly.
And so you think it works?
Yeah.
Until reality of the superintendentshowing up and he's like, it doesn't work.
And a lot of times.

(05:25):
It has to do with slope.
It goes down and it's not, andit's shown as a flat backyard.
Like I've got one that I was tellingthe person, they're like, Hey, I really
like this design you're showing me.
And I was like, I really don'tneed to see someone else's design.
But quite honestly, you have a sixfoot fall in that backyard, and
this is showing a two foot fall.
Yeah.

(05:45):
So this won't work, as a solution.
You probably, you know youryard better than other people.
And so look at the three dimensional modeland see if it actually works some yards.
It's higher on this side and it'slower on this side than the porch.
And if it doesn't show that in the threedimensional model, it's not accurate.
Okay.
If your yard has a slope goingup and they're showing it

(06:07):
as flat, it's not accurate.
If they're showing it as flat andit goes down, it's not accurate.
So you, you have to see.
Things as they really are.
And if somebody's not going into thethree dimensional model correctly
their solution will not work.

Trey (06:22):
you gotta have the right canvas.
You already have the backyard,you gotta make sure the canvas
that they're painting on yeah.
Is accurate to what theyhave in their backyard.
Yeah.
I think also this isn't like an issuewith that, but like people customers
sometimes have a. 3D Mullings a greatway to show and explain just the
what they like, but size in general.

(06:44):
Can sometimes like scale, especiallywith like new build houses, they don't
even realize how big the house is'cause they haven't even walked it yet.
Once they actually have the job likespray painted on the ground, they're
like, oh, whoa, this is way bigger.
Or maybe even sometimes waysmaller than they expected.

Mike (06:59):
Oh yeah.
I met with a client today and I waslike, this fountain that I've drawn
for you right now is 24 feet deep.
So this is a big fountain in thefront of their house, and the
interior designer was like, we shouldtake it all the way up to here.
And I'm like, that's 36 feet.
Yeah.
Okay.
And I pasted it off in the officeand she was like, oh my gosh, that,

(07:22):
what you're describing is big.
What they're describing is ridiculous.
Yeah.
And the other thing is the interiordesigner was giving him a four foot
walkway to walk to the front door.
Ah.
Which out of 30 some odd feet seemeda little bit out of proportion.
But anyway, that's another rabbit hole.
So three dimensional modeling isa great tool for you to use as

(07:42):
we're trying to figure out whatlooks nice in your backyard.
The other thing that'sreally important to me.
Are what I call sight lines.
Yes.
And we actually spent,oh, back to 3D modeling.
If you go back to episode 59,we go into tons of detail, about
three dimensional modeling.
So sight lines is the next thing.
Sight lines is as you look out ofyour house, there are particular

(08:05):
lines of sight that you're goingto look through all the time.
Now, this has changed radicallyin the last five years.
So all houses before five yearsago were mostly walls with a
few key windows here and there.
Yeah.
Today it's mostly windows witha few key walls in between.
Yep.

(08:25):
So as you used to go into a home, you'd gointo the front door and usually there was
a very small sight line into the backyard.
And so that was realimportant to some people.
Is they wanted something really coolas they walk, so their guests walked
into the front door that they sawsomething awesome in the backyard.
So the other thing is, a lot ofpeople, it was like the family

(08:47):
room and it again, it helps tounderstand priorities on these things.
So I used to ask people allthe time, rank your views.
Okay.
I actually, I still ask them that.
Yeah.
Where

Trey (08:57):
do you spend your most time in your house?
when do you find yourself looking?
So through the windows.

Mike (09:02):
some people it's the family room that's the most popular, number one.
Some people it's the kitchen area.
Big one.
Yeah.
Some people it's the master bedroom.
Some people it's the dining room.
The dining room.
Some people it's the gym.
So those are some common.
Views and I ask people to rank 'em.
What's one, what's two, what'sthree, what's four, what's five?

(09:23):
And then with that you wanna make surethat you put key focal points of the
things we're gonna talk about today thatlook nice stuff in those particular views.
Hope it pop.
yeah, so it pops and looks awesome.
Now there are some things that youstill, a lot of people don't think
about, but I like to make peoplethink about as we go through this is.

(09:43):
They usually talk about a room in general,and what I always think about is what are
the paths or locations that you're gonnabe at every single day and look through.
So as you leave your master bathroom.
Doorway and look into your master bedroom.
There's gonna be a line of sight there.

(10:04):
Yeah.
That you're gonna see every day.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
You're gonna walk down a set of stairsfrom the second story and you're
gonna look out a particular view.
Every day.
Yeah.
You're gonna walk from the garage intothe kitchen area, and there's gonna be
a line of sight that you see every day.
Mm-hmm.
You stand at the kitchen sink andyou look at a particular view.

(10:25):
So these are key sight lines thatyou may not think about as well.
This is my priority view, but you'regonna look out those particular views
every single day, and it'd be really cool.
If something's there that looks nice.
The other thing which comes with viewsis the views from outside looking in.

(10:46):
on those views, I alsowant to give you privacy.

Trey (10:50):
Yeah.
That's a big one with the master bedroom.
Yeah.
'cause a lot of time the masterbedroom will have all windows, and
you wanna be able to look out and seesomething really nice, but at the same
time, you don't want people that are,maybe your kids are having a bunch
of friends over and so you don't wantthem just being able to see in there.

Mike (11:04):
Yeah.
Or the next door neighbor fromtheir second story window.

Trey (11:07):
Yeah.
Privacy is huge.
It's like you want your projectto look nice, but maybe not
too nice to the neighbors.

Mike (11:12):
Yeah.
Well, We're creating look nice forthis house, not the neighborhood.
in episode 23, we actuallytalk about privacy and views.
Mm-hmm.
So that's something you cancheck out in the future.
So of the things that looknice, what's your favorite?

Trey (11:28):
We're talking about sightlines, are we talking about features?
What are we talking about?
What looks nice in general?
We're talking

Mike (11:32):
about features.
So we're talking about styles or No,I'm talking about if your key features.
So There's about five of themthat we talk about with a lot of
common situations for clients.
So do you have a favorite?

Trey (11:43):
it comes and goes.
I, I wouldn't say there's like a numberone, but like I love good fire feature.

Mike (11:49):
So a fire feature so we can start with fire.
So, with fire, there's two differentthings with fire and I always
wanna understand this with people.
So some people fire is about gathering.
Yeah, we're gonna getthe whole crew together.
We want to have s'mores, we wannatell scary stories and all the
things we get to do this next week.
We're gonna have the fire, we're takingour grandkids, not Trey's grandkids.

(12:12):
No, not mine.
My grandkids, me soon.
And the whole extended familywe're going backpacking together.
So it'll be interesting tosee if the 6-year-old, the
4-year-old, the 3-year-old,and the nine month old survive.
All of our antics.
So we're gonna sit around the fireand we're gonna roast marshmallows
and we're gonna tell stories andwe're gonna have a fun time, but
we're gathering around the fire.

(12:33):
Yeah.
So that's one thing.
The other thing fire is aboutis a really cool feature.
A good aesthetic.
Yeah, just looking at it visual.
So it's a really cool, avisual, especially at nighttime.
In episode 55, we talked aboutgathering and we talked about
fireplaces and fire pits.
But in the visuals we talked about inepisode 74, we talked about fire by design

(12:55):
and some cool things like fire on water.
Yeah.
Which is, which looks

Trey (12:59):
really cool.
We've seen it in person.
Yes.

Mike (13:01):
Now we've, we have it on a project.
We do.
Yeah.
It just was finished up and it's amazing.
And then, we've also talked about we weretalking with Susan some Emman about the
really cool fire pits by Luma Cast, whichare really cool decorative looking ones.
Yeah.
But they don't put as much heat out,was one of the comments that was made?

Trey (13:21):
No, I think they look cool because of how modern art has
influenced furniture in general.
And it has that abstract andsome of it's not abstract.
Some of it just looks really nicein general can, you can work in
a conventional or traditional orwhatever your style is in general.
But a lot of the modern art has likefor that brand specifically or like
splinter works, which is not fire.

(13:42):
But still.
It's same kind of style, I think.

Mike (13:45):
Yeah.
when we talk about fire anda visual effect, is there a
particular feature you like Best

Trey (13:51):
Sunken fire pit by far.
A sunken fire pit by far.
Yeah.
That's the coolest one.
Yeah.
Okay.
Because it's like a. Kind of secludedarea where you can go, you know,
be protected from the wind andthe elements and stuff like that.
Sit down, enjoy a conversationwith some friends.
Maybe if you're just goingoutside to enjoy the stars
enjoy the weather in general.
You can sit there if you'resmoker, smoke a cigar, drink a

(14:12):
little bit of whiskey, whatever itmight be, whatever your thing is.
And just enjoy just arelaxing environment.

Mike (14:19):
And we usually put those on really sight lines as well.
Yes.
And so what happens to make it work is youwanna have the stairs on that sight line.
So you can see down into the space.
So that works really well.
Or you want to have it so closeto the house that as you look out,
you're looking right down into it.

(14:40):
Yeah.
So if it's some distance away,you wanna look down the stairs.
So like we just finished the one whichlooked really cool because it was
right outside the family room area.
And you could look down into thespace, but you could also from there.
You looked into the acrylic window too.
Yeah.
Which is a really nice thing.
So if you have it s sunken next toa pool that's a really cool effect.

Trey (15:01):
Yeah.
'cause the reflection of the fireand the flickering off of different
materials, combining that withthe acrylic, especially at night
where the pool might not be.
It's lit up with the poollights, but still it's just the
reflections are really nice.

Mike (15:12):
Yeah.
So it depends on how bright youmake the lights in the pool.

Trey (15:16):
Yeah.
those aren't too bright to, make it bad.
But I also think the sizeof that area helps a lot.
'cause you can see a little bit more.

Mike (15:24):
Yeah.
Sunken fire pits are really cool.
I like.
What we call a linear burner.
Which is sometimes what weuse in a sunken fire pit.
And so these are fire pits mm-hmm.
Or fire features that are long and narrow.
Yeah.
And so it's really fun to meto play with your sight lines.
So you're looking down the siteso the fire almost can sometimes.

(15:48):
Point at a key feature.
Yes.
So it draws your eye down that line.
And sometimes it works better whereit's on a cross axis and maybe you're
emphasizing things that are on twodifferent sides, but it can create
some really cool visual effects.
And, gathering around it works real wellas, to do, but it's also, it's a very

(16:08):
directional thing that it does, and itdraws your eyes to different things.
So a hundred percent we've got Thefire on water that's going right now
is a linear one, and at the end ofit is the lighted sphere that's lit
up, which is a really cool featureas well, That's not a fire feature,
but I jumped to something else, but

Trey (16:29):
No, you're good.
I like the burners because thatspecifically, because like when I
think of that, I've heard peoplerefer to that so many different ways
because That as being a fire pit orputting it on a table and it being a
fire bar or whatever, a fire table.
And also the ability, so like if you'rein the pool and like you're saying,
it's going lengthwise of the pooland it helps, it directs someone's

(16:50):
perspective when they're looking out.
It can also, when you're in thepool, or just looking at the pool
like you're saying from a crossaxis kind of border things in.
Kind of, just be like the end of thepage and your eye automatically goes
there and bounces to left or right.
Yeah.

Mike (17:05):
One thing about when you build those fire pits I have an
opinion on how tall they should be.
Generally they're, from a size standpoint,you got about a foot of masonry.
You got about a foot of fire, and thenyou got about another foot of masonry.
So I don't wanna set it up tobe, a seat that I'm sitting on.
No, it's because one, it's only12 inches wide of masonry and my.

(17:28):
A tail doesn't fit on 12 inches.
Yeah.
I need more than that.
So I need a nice, generous amount.
And then if I do put my tail there,I don't want to get it burned off
because I'm in the middle of thefire with the six inch overhang.
Make a crazy picture.
I do a lot of things forYouTube, but I'm not going there.
So the one thing that you wannado then to me is you don't

(17:50):
wanna make it ground level.
'cause literally you could walk into it.
Yeah.
Okay.
And six inches is somethingyou're gonna trip over.
So I like 'em 12 inches tall.
Because it's a footrest.
Yeah.
So I can prop my feet up on it.
So a lot of times also, the distancethat I'm putting that away from my
built-in seating is like 24 inches.

Trey (18:10):
Yeah.

Mike (18:11):
With 24 inches.
If somebody wants to walk by, I can.
Scoot my heels back up againstmy seat bench and someone
can walk in between the two.
So that's usually thesmallest space that I look at.
Now, when you do a sunken firepit, one of the things that a lot
of people don't think about iswhere's the water go when it rains?
So There's a couple ways that canbe handled better than others.

Trey (18:33):
Wait, it doesn't, you don't get like a second swimming pool for
a little bit until you drain it out.

Mike (18:37):
Well, That's what some people choose to do is, oh, there's no drain at all.
And how about that?
They're like it doesn't rainthat much here in Phoenix.
And so we don't putanything in that space.
In most fire pits that are visualfeatures, they have electronic ignition.

Trey (18:52):
Yes.

Mike (18:53):
Okay.
So with electronic ignition, if it becomesthat second swimming pool, your electronic
ignition's not working real well?

Trey (18:58):
No.
At least with that situation, it'snot like a sunken cabana or something
where you have a multiple plugs,but who knows the way you design
it, you might have plugs in there.
'cause people are gonna be hangingout there and, a lot of kids these
days, they're gonna be on their phone.
So

Mike (19:11):
need a charger court?
Yes, they do.
Okay.
So we were talking aboutdrain one is drain.
You can have a drain in the bottom.
That drain goes to a gravity fed pipethat takes the water out of the space.
That's the ideal.
But if you're sunken, you're down, 18, 24,36 inches, that means you've gotta have
some slope in the yard to make that work.

(19:31):
Yeah.
The other situation is we gonnaput a sump pump down in that area.
Which in some parts of thecountry, it's flat, so that's
the only solution that you have.
I always prefer gravity over sump pump.
Yeah.
And a lot of times I get the choice ifI work things out, so I've gotta have
drainage for everything else in the yard.
So we'll make the math work inmost cases but some pumps can fail.

(19:55):
And do require some maintenance.
So gravity doesn't requiremuch maintenance other than No.
Just making sure the water flows.
Yeah.
And everything else flows downed down.

Trey (20:04):
So if you use the sub pump, just make sure you find a good one.

Mike (20:07):
Yeah.
sounds like a good thing.
fire by design, like the fire on water.
And we talked about severalother fire features in there.
It was in episode 74, the Dragon.
Yeah, there's a fire feature.
What was.
What was that?

Trey (20:19):
The dragon?
It's a sculpture dragon was made outtametal fragments and stuff like that.
So yeah, breeze fire, it's pretty cool.
Yes, it's a little doorbell or,little alarm that dad's home.

Mike (20:28):
They had several different stories about him, but yeah, the
fun one was when he came up thedriveway, the dragon would spit fire.
lots of creative thingsthat you can do with fire.
So some of the most common thingsare we're gonna put fire bowls in.
that's been done now for about 20 years.
Yeah.
With a lot of success.
And there's different style bowls that youcan use, fire and water, different sizes.

(20:52):
But one thing I did on one jobseveral years ago is we just put
columns at the end of the pooland we put fire rings in those.
And so they were fire columns.
Yeah.
Instead of a fire bowl.
They didn't like bowls.
So that worked really well.
You can do fire in combination with water.
There's bowls that exist with that.
But fire is a fun mediathat we get to use a lot.

(21:17):
Now, speaking of media.
There's two different things youusually use in your fire pits
and fire bowls are commonly used.
And that's the glass media or thetumbled Lava rock is the two that
we use a lot here in North Texasand other parts of the country.
I know that there are some other productsthat are used and one that's get used

(21:39):
some with the fire pits is the spheres.
That come out the cannonballs orI like to call 'em cannonballs.
They look like cannonballs.
The glass.
It doesn't work realwell for generating heat.

Trey (21:52):
No.

Mike (21:52):
So if you're doing a feature and it's just about a visual thing and you
want to use glass, then glass works great.
But if you're trying to generateheat to gather around it as well.
Then the tumbled labber rockor the cannonballs work a
little bit better for that.
The other thing that you wanna think aboutwhen you're using fire is ventilation.
Yes.
And having really goodventilation for that feature.

(22:15):
And the other thing that comesinto play with that is or you're
dealing with propane or natural gas.
Those have to be handled alittle bit differently, but good
ventilation in both cases is ideal.
Susan SimMan was talking abouther grill blowing up because she
didn't have good ventilation.
So it became a fire feature, which youdon't want your grill to become a fire

Trey (22:37):
feature.
No.
Yeah.
Make sure those propane areasalways have ventilation at
the very bottom because that.

Mike (22:43):
Propane's heavy.

Trey (22:44):
So propane fall, propane sinks.
Yeah.

Mike (22:45):
Versus natural gas rises.
Yeah.
So there are other thingsyou can think about with fire
that we want to discuss today.

Trey (22:53):
you know, We talk about the torches.
Oh, Tiki torches.
Yeah, we can talk about those.
I was the columns you weretalking about, but yeah.
Tiki torches.
Back in the day, you used to have tikitorches around your pool all the time.
And they're like the wooden ones, you putthe oil in, but they have some more modern
looking ones that we actually talkedabout on the Fire by Design episode.
I think they look awesome.

Mike (23:12):
my first job that was on HD TV, yes.
Was the Hardman residence,which is a lazy river.
So it's a badass job, and it hadtiki torches from fire by design.
So that, job has been inplace about 15 years now.
Okay.
And those still are working well.
But that gives a really cool feel.
The other thing is there's,different torches that you can

(23:32):
do to create a visual effect.
There's also which is more of afunctional thing that some people
get into is they'll get even into.
Coach lights as a feature thatthey want on their cabana.

Trey (23:44):
Is it like a gaslit?
Firelight?
Yeah.
Okay, Okay.
Like a lantern type deal.

Mike (23:48):
Correct.
Okay.
You get fire lanterns.
Yes.
Yeah.
I love

Trey (23:51):
that aesthetic.
It's cool.

Mike (23:52):
lots of cool things you can check out with fire.
Now the one thing that, with allthis fire that's been taken away.
From your campfire type situation is, youdon't have the sense of smell with it.

Trey (24:04):
No.
You have the sense of smell.
Oh, you're talking aboutthe gas in general?
Yeah.
Yeah.
In a way, if you don't have awood burning, so I guess chimney,
maybe a little fireplace.

Mike (24:14):
So well, in some places, I guess we didn't talk about that.
So a fire can be in a fireplace.
It's a great place and youcan burn natural wood there.
Yep.
And the sometimes smoke,smoke is directed.
Yes.
Although some of the thing that's cominginto play more and more that you gotta
look at as well is cities have certainrequirements that have to do with fire.

(24:34):
Yes.
And how close it can be toanything that's flammable.
We have any, a city the other day that, ithad to be a certain distance from a tree.
It's ridiculous.
Which I thought was like, okay, so whatmoron came in and his, fire up so high
that he caught a tree on fire, that thecity's worried about trees burning down.
That probably happened in Californiaand you burned down the whole

(24:57):
half the state Let's is, let's not

Trey (24:58):
blamed on California, but there's probably, probably happened more.
What I'm saying?
There's certain

Mike (25:02):
drought situations and certain cities Yeah.
And things are dried up.
Yeah.
You have to be cautiousand with anything you need.
That's true to be.
Careful with what you're doing, Iguess is what I'm trying to say.

Trey (25:12):
And cities they put codes in because it happens before and
they're trying to cover their butt.
Yeah.
It happened somewhere.

Mike (25:18):
Some it happened somewhere and somebody did something.
be intelligent when you use fire.
But fire is a lot of fun from a visualstandpoint and a gathering standpoint.
uh, And they

Trey (25:27):
all look nice.
Depending on your perspective.

Mike (25:29):
especially look good at night.
But the other thing is sometimespeople are like, that's the
only time they turn it on.
Fire can look really cool during thedaytime too, if you're having a gathering.

Trey (25:40):
And not even just that the overall structure with a fire is gonna be coming
out of you can make that look really nice.
And I think that's where a lot ofpeople might miss because it's like, we
want to have the fire feature put the.
It's not just the fire itself,it's what the actual concept is.
And that concept might notlook good during the day.
Or like you said, where it's,six inches off the ground,

(26:00):
you're gonna trip off that.
Well, Obviously, because thefire's not in that structure 24 7.
So if you don't see fire inthere, it doesn't catch your eye.
You're gonna easily trip over it.

Mike (26:09):
So we talked with Jesse of Callo Designs and he had Oh, yeah.
A really cool thing that he did with fire.
And he had fire columns.
Yeah.
And those were columns thatsupported the structure.
they were built a metal, but Firecame up through those columns
that supported the structure.
So you, ought to check out that episodeand I don't have that one in front of me.

(26:30):
Yeah, that was cool.
It was like a,

Trey (26:31):
it supported, a roof, but it was a walk-on roof, so
it was a second level roof.

Mike (26:36):
Yeah.
he's done it on several different projectsif you look at some of his features.
So he holds up a lot of

Trey (26:39):
weight.

Mike (26:40):
Yeah.
But he's a guy that really lovesfire too and has done some real
creative things with Oh yeah.
We are gonna take a break here for asecond and get into outdoor living.
So with outdoor living, we liketo go to barbecue bits here.
We're gonna share some information oneverything that you may want to consider
in your outdoor living space as far asfeatures, especially for the kitchen.

(27:03):
Hope you enjoy this.
It's a cooler time of the year.
So we, we want nice things to get warmaround and everything like that, right?
So we build an outdoor fireplace andpeople wanna have low maintenance.
So explain to us what might they doinstead of just doing conventional logs.

(27:24):
Sure.
So wood burning, you would think wouldbe the case with most customers, but now
we see a trend going to a no maintenance,like you talked about one of the.
Products that we sell is by Hargrove.
It's called a radiant fiber series.
What happens is the heat that's generatedfrom the flame is absorbed into the log.
It's more of a fiber type log, and itreally, uh, distributes the heat through

(27:47):
that area, 12 by 12, 13 by 13 area.
Uh, also there's not any sooting.
So like on a fireplace we'll see acontemporary version where we don't have.
Sooting inside of the fireplace,or if you design a nice herringbone
pattern inside that doesn't getsuited up and blackened out.
Uh, another thing that we see that'sreal trendy, uh, that we are not showing

(28:10):
today are the spheres, multiple sizespheres that are placed in nestled in.
Uh, the rock itself, we're seeing itnot only in fireplaces, but also the
one that you recently did with thelinear burner that have different
sizings and different colors.
So I call 'em cannonballs,absolutely the spears, but, uh.
What colors do you see those at?

(28:31):
You?
You can get 'em in gray, youcan get 'em in black, uh, tan.
Uh, there's also a, uh, a buff,just like a buff mortar, right?
But those have gained popularity.
So, uh, also the different types oflava, rock tumbled, lava rocks, and
river rocks that are appropriated for.
Linear fireplaces so theydon't hold moisture and pop

(28:54):
and things like that, so Right.
Not our old school.
Real rough and tumbled bottle.
Not anymore.
That used to be back in theeighties, that's what you get
and you put a burner in there andyou get what you get, you know?
So we got an explosion one time.
Yeah, yeah.
It'll, it'll, it'll happen.
So you wanna make sure that,um, that you put the right, uh,
you know, media inside these.

(29:14):
These particular fire pits and fireplaces.
So, so, so with this here, what'sthe base that we've got going?
So the base underneath,it's just not a pipe.
It's actually a burner that hasan H style burner system in it.
Natural gas is lighterthan air, so it rises.
So what's happening, happeningunderneath here is that there's an

(29:35):
overt, there's a layman of a silicasand that creates a monolithic flame.
It's one full flame that runs throughthe log set that generates the heat.
On top of here, we havewhat's called a rock wool.
A rock wool is a pounded rockthat's made into a fiber, so it
gives a look of burning coal.
Low profile.
Great.
Not a high profile, but low profile.

(29:56):
Great.
And then.
The logs are stacked and bridgedaccordingly to the manuals what they are.
So, so are there different types of logs?
There are, there are ceramic logs, there'sfiber logs, uh, there's different species.
Uh, a birch wood speciesmaybe we'd be popular from.
It just depends on what you're gonnaspecify if we're doing gray tones.

(30:17):
Uh, and, and then thebirch woods are popular.
Uh, split face are real popular in Texas.
It's just what youspecify for that job, so.
Awesome.
Well, thank you.
Yep.
So I hope you enjoyed the barbecuebits that we just featured today, and
we'll have more coming up next week.
If there's something in particular thatyou're interested for, let us know and

(30:39):
we will get back into the episode now.
One of my favorite features is when we look at features
is a water feature by far.
So everybody has a feeling that theyget when they hear the sound of water.
And so that's a feeling that a lot ofpeople are want to create in their space.
So if they can just have the simplesound of water, and some people, that's

(31:02):
going to be a simple water feature.
Some people that's going to be somethingthat's a little bit bigger and some
people are gonna get into, extravagant.
And they're going to create thewater sound as you enter the
front door of their property.
They're gonna create the water soundas you walk through their home.

(31:22):
They're gonna create the sound ofwater as you walk into the backyard,
and they're gonna create that watersound in the master bedroom courtyard.
And so they want the soundof water in all those spaces.
And so we're doing more and moreprojects that have multiple features
to create the sound of water.

(31:43):
Now, also, you get the visualeffect of that as, as well.

Trey (31:48):
I think the cool thing about water is, like we were talking
earlier about sight lines andstuff like that, and the concept of
are you gonna enjoy this project?
Majority of the time it's, looking at it.
So you wanna make sure that's allgood, but when you do walk out
and you have that sound of waterhits you it's something that.
Most of these concepts and materialsor whatever it might be, it

(32:09):
doesn't add the effect of sound.
Water is by far the biggest one.
And that's why it sticksout to me so much.

Mike (32:14):
So if fire is a sound effect, then it's pretty loud.
I've got a pretty big fire goingbut yes water is by far the
best from a sound standpoint.

Trey (32:23):
There is sound to the fire sometimes,

Mike (32:26):
some crackling,

Trey (32:27):
Not really crackling, but I guess we're not burning
the gas, can pushed through.

Mike (32:30):
Yeah.
We're not getting burning wood sound'cause we're not burning windless.
We have the fireplace.
But there's two things with.
Water features, thoughthere is a visual effect.
And there's a sound effect.
And people assume that you get bothof them with every water feature.
It's not true.
It's not true.
well, It's another effect too.

Trey (32:48):
Just a little curve ball.

Mike (32:50):
Okay.
Yeah.
You wanna hear it?
Sure.

Trey (32:51):
Get salt water pool.
You taste, you

Mike (32:54):
can get Taste kidding.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
So looking at all the senses thatyou can create in a that was the
design level two class, right?
It

Trey (33:01):
smell bad, it could be smelling good I don't know.
Yeah,

Mike (33:03):
When we sit down and talk to people, it's really important for us to understand
this is a section on looking nice.
So water features, a lot of peopleare like, I want it to look good.
Yes.
But what they're also looking foris what Trey mentioned, is the
senses, the sounds that they receive.
And so it's not true that you're goingto get both of those with a feature.

(33:26):
So smart.
It's important for us to understand ifone's more important than the other, and
if they're both important, that's fine.
Okay.
And sometimes what we're doingis we're gonna use two features.
One to give you a visual effectand one to give you a sound effect.
So in some cases it's just onefeature that gives you both.
Sometimes it's either or.

(33:47):
So case, an example, aLaminar water feature.
Okay.

Trey (33:52):
It looks really cool.

Mike (33:53):
It looks really cool.
What does it sound like?

Trey (33:56):
You can barely hear it.

Mike (33:57):
Yeah.
It sounds like a slight hissingsound as the water enters the
pool because it's a literally acolumn of water that's continuous.

Trey (34:06):
It's a, the definition of what a lanar is, the laminar effect.

Mike (34:09):
Yeah,

Trey (34:10):
It's cool.
Versus the Canon jet, whichis not the Lanar at all.

Mike (34:13):
Canon Jet is the little boy peeing in the pool, but they look so similar.
No, they don't look similar at all.

Trey (34:20):
So the amount of people that get 'em confused is wild to me.
it's the same concept.
Verse one, you can light upand it's smooth and the other
one is not smooth at all.

Mike (34:28):
A Cannon jet.
Is one of the most cost effective?
Yeah, probably the lowestcost from a water feature
standpoint other than a bubbler.
Okay.
And it, so a can of jet's usually mounted.
Down underneath the edge of thematerial and it shoots up and you
can have different size arcs on it.
The challenge is it makes so much noisethat, and it's not a real pleasant noise,

(34:51):
that it looks great from inside the house.
And I tell people all the time, ifyou wanna look at this from inside the
house, that's great, but when you gooutside, you're gonna wanna turn it off.

Trey (35:00):
Yeah.
And also the wind will blow it aroundand it's just, it gets everywhere.

Mike (35:04):
No, that a laminar.
No.
Okay.
No, I'm just saying now Laminaralso is a solid column of water and
the wind will wreak havoc with thatfeature really if you, I didn't
think it wreaked ha it at all.
So can, you can jet

Trey (35:19):
It does for sure.

Mike (35:20):
So when you say it is a column, if you get a little bit
of wind on that, it stay a column.

Trey (35:25):
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
I guess we, I see what you're saying.
It might spray and stuff like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.
So

Mike (35:29):
it doesn't stay as a calm, it breaks apart and it becomes a cannon jet.

Trey (35:32):
Yeah.

Mike (35:33):
Okay.
So if you're trying to get lightto go through it at night from
a feature standpoint it won'thappen if you have a lot of wind.
So if you're building on top of amountaintop that gets wind all day
long, or you're right on the edge ofthe lake, that gets wind all day long.
If you're in one of those type of placesthat's always windy, you're gonna be
very disappointed with your laminar jet.

(35:54):
Because it won't looknice when it's windy.

Trey (35:57):
And if you really want it, there's ways probably you can figure
out to protect it from the wind.
I don't know.
We have the same situation withfire bulls and stuff like that,
with the wind knocking 'em out.
And I know we've talked to professionals,but a very common theme with customers
is I don't want those bulls becausethey're just gonna blow out half the time.
And there are protective wayswhere you can put a shield or

(36:17):
something like that on 'em.
But I mean, you just gottabe aware of this stuff.
That's what we're bringing them up.

Mike (36:21):
So especially on if you're a place that's really
windy, that can be effect now.
Yes.
So a bubbler.
It's just a little or gusher, a littlebit of water bubbling up out of usually
a shallow spot in the pool, a ledge.
It's very commonly done onthis makes a great sound.
Yeah, but it's not a real bigvisual 'cause usually it's

(36:42):
only like six inches tall.
Now I've seen people.
Change the valve and have themthree or four feet in the air.
Now, if you do something like that,you gotta realize, again, wind is
going to affect it and it's gonna blowaround and that type of turbulence

Trey (36:56):
And the plumbing.
Look at Vegas.
Those are pretty much just bubblersin the, what's that one hotel called?
Bellagio?
Yeah, Bellagio.
You got some giant bubblers over there.

Mike (37:03):
I don't think those are quite bubblers.
A little bit more ofelaborate setup there.

Trey (37:07):
You got the LED bubbler too, which you didn't mention, which is awesome.

Mike (37:10):
Yes.
they added lights to bubblers I guessit's four or five years ago now,
so it adds a little bit of color.
It's gotta be longer than that.
Do you think it's longer than that?
Yeah, I think it is.

Trey (37:20):
But yeah it's cool.
It lights up the whole sun bench area.

Mike (37:23):
It's a nice effect, especially in a dark space that's normally a dark space.
So the other water features thatgive really good sound, this is
where I've argued with people, is thesheer descent versus the sheer rain.

Trey (37:38):
The rain sounds better.
That's my opinion.
Okay, good.
We're on the same page.
But

Mike (37:41):
some people think that the rain is irritating.
Okay.

Trey (37:45):
might be irritating to install 'cause all the pv shavings.
So you gotta clean that

Mike (37:49):
out, so that they're talking about the sound aspect, that it's,

Trey (37:53):
it can be loud.
people's perspective ofsound levels changes.
For instance, we had a job thatwas right next to the highway, so
they wanted to drown out the soundcompletely of the highway with water.
Which is really loud.
And that might drive peoplecrazy versus another job.
It's like you're in a littlebackyard, so you only need one kind
of feature, and maybe a rain in thatsituation would be too loud for them.

Mike (38:13):
the little backyard has a lot to do.
And you just touched base on it,so I just wanna reemphasize this.
Yeah.
Is.
you come in with a little backyard, that'sa lot of masonry and not much landscaping.
Mm-hmm.
Sound bounces off of the walls.
And so you could have just a verysubtle, like we did a water wall.
On a project in Dallas just recentlyphotographed it, and the water wall is set

(38:37):
literally on the lowest trickling setting.
So it just gives a nice, peaceful soundin that backyard and some backyards
that would be way too soft a sound.
Yeah.
they have a fair amountof landscaping in there.
So if there was even moreminimalistic design and, real.
Ultra modern, pave it all type thing,then the sound is even gonna bounce more.

(39:00):
So you have to be careful.
I made a big mistake early in my career.
And I built this waterfall in the backyardand it was seven foot tall and it was, had
this magnificent waterfall coming down.
They lived next to the freeway.
Okay but there was a sound wall thatwas built on their property line.
Oh.
And then the house was two stories tall.

(39:22):
Okay.
And so in between thishouse and the sound wall.
when you turn the seven foot tallwaterfall on the sound bounced back and
forth between the two and sounded fabulousinside the house with the door shut.

Trey (39:35):
So when you're outside trying to have a conversation, you turn
off a fountain, not a chance in the

Mike (39:38):
world.
So all they had going then wasthe little water feature coming
out of the spa into the pool.
Okay.
And that made enough sound that,that was all they used in that space.
So you have to be careful withsound and different applications
because it will be affected.

Trey (39:54):
That's cool.
They got a, a water feature sound.
Inside their house

Mike (39:58):
with the door shut.

Trey (39:59):
Yeah you don't get that all the time.
Like I was saying earlier, when you walkout, that's, I love that, you know, open
up the backyard door and boom, you'rehit with this like just tranquil Yeah.
Sound.
And they just get to enjoy that 24 7.

Mike (40:11):
So that was a bonus.
Yeah.
in-house stereo was not needed?
No.
We just turned the waterfallon and we get all that.
visual effects.
Sometimes it's going to beone of the things that's real
popular today is scuppers.
Of which have some architectural elementto them and shape and size, a sheer
descent sheer descents work really well.

(40:33):
Now, one downside of a sheer descentthat I always like to tell people
about is one is when it gets above fourfoot high, it starts to break apart.
Yep.
Putting a sheer descentcoming out of a structure.
I just think is a terrible idea,

Trey (40:47):
depending on the height.
Yeah.
And also they taper a lot.
Even if they don'tbreak up, they do taper.
Like the beginning of the width couldbe a foot and a half, but it just
gets really skinny at the bottom.

Mike (40:58):
So I did a series of two foot wide shears on a project a long
time ago, and I've used this in aclass illustration, and there was
a wall that was four foot tall.
And there was a wall that wastwo foot tall and they each
had three shears in that.
Okay.
And so the taper on the twofoot ones, literally they went

(41:18):
to an ice pick at the bottom.
Geez.
So it was just this taper.
Now the four foot, the wider you get,the taper isn't quite as drastic.
You still have some mass to it.
Yeah.
But the two foot ones, man, they justwent down and it was like, and the client.
I was lucky on that one, but I had aclient earlier and that's why I make a big
deal about this, and they're like, fix it.

(41:40):
Yeah.
And I'm like, you can't fix it.

Trey (41:43):
Swap it out with something else.
Water

Mike (41:45):
likes itself.
Yeah.
So it pulls together and so that'swhere the sheer rain won't taper.
No.
So that's an advantage of it.
Also when you get a sheardescent up in the structure,
even if it starts breaking apart.
And that's okay.
If it's windy at all, it's blowingthat water all over the place.
Yeah.
You know, Versus the sheer rain'sa little bit better for you.

Trey (42:05):
We didn't mention this during sound nice, I think it looks nice
and sounds nice, but the watercurtains off of a, like a cabana or
something like that into the pool.
I love that feature.

Mike (42:15):
Yeah.
So that's a really cool feature.
In fact, we talked about that Onepisode 40, we talked about water
features and the zero edge effect also.
And then on episode 15 and 16, we talkedabout perimeter overflows and vanishing
edges, which are one huge water feature.
Yeah.
Which look really cool.

(42:35):
Or some people do perimeteroverflows on just their spa.

Trey (42:38):
Yes.

Mike (42:39):
So what's really cool about that is the reflection.
I love the reflection, especiallywhen you get a good sunset.
That's, you've got the water all aroundthe spa that's moving around 'cause maybe
you got some gushers or water featuresgoing, and then the spa's just glass.
On top and then, get thatreflection off of it.
Or if you have a spectacular view, youcan get that off a vanishing Edge pool.

(43:02):
Your zero edge is the effectwhere the water is brought up
to the same level as the deck.
And so it seems like it's all one plane,which is a fantastic effect as well.

Trey (43:13):
They're just pretty much reflection pools at that point.
Yeah,

Mike (43:16):
of my favorites is just the Boulder waterfall.

Trey (43:20):
The grotto.

Mike (43:21):
There's the cave, there's well and Boulder Waterfall.
Okay.
So

Trey (43:24):
they all fit together.
Okay.

Mike (43:26):
Little family.
So we just photographed a job.
Yes.
That has a cave.
Yeah.
are there any boulders on it?

Trey (43:33):
No, that's a different one.
Yeah.
But usually when I think of a grottoand a cave, 'cause that's the old
concepts, that people still like,

Mike (43:42):
Yes, hundred percent.
But I'm just saying you cancreate those effects Yes.
In a very modern style as well.
Yeah, you can.
Moses, who's been on here before,who won the million dollar pool
challenge, he had a really cool grotto.
That, was extremely modern looking.
So

Trey (43:59):
schultze, that was, you might have to bleep that out, I'm sorry.
But that job had a,

Mike (44:03):
the project in McKinney,

Trey (44:05):
it was fairly modern looking.

Mike (44:06):
Yeah.
So as a grotto.
Yeah.
But what I'm talking about is just,okay, let's go old school organic.
Okay.
Okay.
We're gonna put boulders in, whichis where you went with the grotto.

Trey (44:18):
Older work waterfalls.
Yeah.
So

Mike (44:20):
we talked with Eric Herman years ago, and this all stemmed
back to the Playboy mansion.

Trey (44:25):
Yep.

Mike (44:26):
actually they called it the grotto.
And this is where that think it's a cave.
And that's as, as much of acave as you can get A cave.
Yeah.
Uh, so the definition, so for people thatunderstand and want to describe them good
to who you're ever working with is to me.
A two person bench that youhave a water feature come over.
We call that a grotto.

(44:46):
Yeah.
Okay.
If you swim into it.
That becomes a cave.
Yeah.
that's our definitions of it.
Although the Playboy grottowas definitely a swim into
thing that, it was the size of.
A good sized living room.

Trey (45:01):
You wanna know the actual definition of a grotto, A small cave or cavern.

Mike (45:05):
Okay.
Wow.
Two people that sit there.
That's a small cavern.
That's true.
Yeah.
and if I'm gonna do a. A

Trey (45:13):
Boulder.

Mike (45:14):
Waterfall grotto.
Okay.
Just as a side note here, I want thebench to be at least five feet wide.
Okay?
So two people can sit therethat are adults, and I want the
sides to go straight back, not.
Doing ellipse.
'cause if you do this ellipse thing,then there's not enough room for two
people to sit back into that space.
Mm-hmm.
And you want the bench deepenough that when the waterfalls,

(45:37):
it's not pouring on your face.
Yeah.
So you want at least 24 inches, maybe30 inches would be even better from a
depth standpoint for that situation.
So when you do a cave, the big thingthat you gotta figure out there is
how you're supporting the ceiling.
So that becomes big time.
That's a big engineering feat thatYou need to think about overall,
but just a, going back to a Boulderwaterfall, and there's two different

(46:01):
styles of Boulder waterfalls.
So you have the.
Waterfall that has a sheer drop toit, and that's what a lot of people
think of when they think of a waterfallthat's gonna drop two feet or three
feet or four feet into the pool.
That's a pretty loud feature.
Yes.
Okay.
That's usually what's combinedwith a cave or a grot.

(46:21):
It's that type situation.
What's usually more pleasing to people iswhat I call a stair step where the water's
just stepping down over a series of rocks.
That's a nice gentle gurglingsound that, is probably the most,
common one that we can think of.
' they've been in nature a long time.

Trey (46:38):
Yeah, I looked it up and there's actually this really cool
photo with a slide coming throughit, which I've never seen, but I'm
sure you've seen it a bunch of times.
But that's cool.
Besides, just 'cause immediatelyI think of a grotto or cave
when I think of rock waterfalls.
'cause it's just convenient to,

Mike (46:53):
so when I first got into the pool industry, the company
that I worked with was one of thefirst ones doing boulder work.
And one of the things about Boulderwork, if you get into Boulder
work, is it's very artistic.
It's very difficult as well.
And so the thing that really helps theMason that's doing the work is photographs

(47:13):
that you can show them to help themunderstand the direction you want to go.
Because there's been some of the ugliestpools I've ever seen in my life that
have been done with Boulder work.
Yeah.
And that same amount of stone.
Could have been used in atotally different application
and looked beautiful.
And it all has to do with theartistic ability of the person

(47:34):
that's setting that rock.
And so that's a totally thing thatyou need to understand if the persons
have that skillset, and also give themdirection that they can have a good
understanding of what direction to go.

Trey (47:48):
Understanding the mason skillset is key.
'cause when I think of rock waterfalls,I think of leaks because if you do
have a leak, it is very difficult.
It's like a needle in a haystackbecause the amount of mortar because
they're combining all these differentboulders together it's an amazing piece.
But it's just make sure that youhave someone that has done it before.

Mike (48:08):
Which one thing you don't want to use the boulders to contain the water.
You want the shell of the pool tocontain the water and you put the
boulders over the shell of the pool.
Yeah.
So otherwise you'll havea catastrophic leak.
Water will be going all over the place.
Yeah.

Trey (48:27):
Because A rock and it's gonna move.
However, you can't just calculateexactly where the water's gonna go,
and you see pools and they'll havetrim pieces in general, and you'll
see like water wicking on the edges.
Like water just goes where water wants to.

Mike (48:39):
it's a special skill.
Especially one that hasn'tbeen done as much lately.
And so there are less people thathave that skillset, but we've
done several projects lately thatwe've done massive Boulder jobs.
So one thing to also understand is.
Your boulders can come from all over.
Yeah.
It used to be people justwould get what was local.

(49:01):
And here in Dallas-Fort Worth, there'sboulders that are right here in Texas,
but most of 'em have too high of acopper content and they're too soft.
And so those aren't good bouldersto use as a water feature.
The really good stone is up in Oklahoma.
So you go up in Oklahoma and you getthose boulders, but in some parts of the
country, they're going to Tennessee toget their boulders, and some people are

(49:24):
going to Arizona to get their boulders,and some people are going to Idaho.
We did a project not too longago and the boulders were
harvested up near Aspen, Colorado.
Yeah, so there's all kindsof different places today.
That people are bringing in differentstones to give a different feel, because
the shift that comes out of Arizonalooks totally different than the, field

(49:47):
stone that comes out of Oklahoma versusthe granite that comes outta Colorado.
They're all different looking stones.
So if you can understand which the stylethat you're looking for, those boulders
can be a lot of times located and today.
People want a particular look.
They don't mind paying for shipping toget something for that particular look.

(50:07):
So there's a lot ofvariety that can be done.
One thing also that's available is thereare craftsmen that work in the artificial
boulder, what manufacturing that actuallygo and they make artificial stones.
So what, you're not familiar with this?

Trey (50:29):
No, I've never heard of, I've heard of like artificial
boulders to like cover up like.
Things in the yard, you know what I mean?
oh no.
Those are like caps.
Those are hideous looking.
Yeah, I know.
Or like speakers, you know,that try to be like speaker.
Yeah.
I've never heard of fakeboulders, like actual, like
waterfalls and stuff like that.

Mike (50:44):
Oh yeah.
There, there's guys that do.
So again, this is a nichethat's gotten smaller.
Yeah.
But there are people that do this andespecially where this started was in zoos.
because when you have these massive.
Boulder waterfalls that go up 15,20 feet tall, or there's a cave, you
know, that's got a 10 foot tall roof.

(51:05):
Yeah.
You know, You aren't gluingboulders to that ceiling.
Okay.

Trey (51:09):
Yeah.
The big old whatever, the animaldoesn't care if they're real or fake,

Mike (51:12):
so one the elephants or the giraffe or whatever the case is.
But there are people that do this typeof work and it looks quite hideous.
Yeah.
Okay.
But there are craftsmen and artistsjust like every niche that had
some skill and capability in this.
And so there, that's somethingthat also can be explored.

(51:34):
'cause some parts of the country,there's no rock whatsoever.
Yeah.
And they don't wanna ship it in.
So you can bring an artist in that canactually create that type of thing.
So it's available.
But again, there's a lot ofpeople that do it poorly.
And that's something that in a zoo.
You're looking at it from a distance.

(51:54):
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
If it's on your backyard pool,it's in your face, especially

Trey (51:59):
if it's underwater.

Mike (52:00):
Okay.
So

Trey (52:01):
the weathering of that.

Mike (52:02):
the acceptance for the level of quality becomes higher
if I'm sitting on it and.
It's right there next to me, versusI'm looking at it when I'm riding,
buying a boat in Disney World.
So that's a totally differentapplication, but you just gotta
realize the acceptance of the quality.
How good is it gonna look?

(52:23):
When I'm sitting three feet from it,

Trey (52:25):
it seems like it would be like maybe even cheaper to get like the real thing.
you need to have someone that's betterthan Disney World Quality because
it's gonna be weathered by water.
You're gonna be up close to it.
I'm just

Mike (52:35):
saying there's an issue with shipping and Yeah.
Manufacturing and height andscale that sometimes you're
going to explore this okay.
cool.
We're gonna have to get a, someone inhere that talk about Sculptured rock.
I've never heard of that.
Never heard of it.
So,

Trey (52:50):
boy,
I've seen it.
I just never thought about it.

Mike (52:52):
See.
Interesting.

Trey (52:53):
So I learn something every day.

Mike (52:54):
The pendulum is swung because 15 years ago everybody knew about it.
but times have changed and thependulum is always swinging.
So yeah, it'll be coming around again.

Trey (53:04):
When you think Gen Z, don't think about the real
thing, I guess in this case.
You do.

Mike (53:07):
So we've talked about this recently and one of the most important things
that we can double your impact ofwhat looks nice is lighting big time.
And that's something that'sbecoming a bigger and bigger
thing in outdoor living spaces.
And there's a lot of different thingsthat you can talk about with lighting.
In episode eight we talkedabout lighting with pools.

(53:28):
Episode 90, we talked aboutoutdoor lighting with Jen Moyer.
We talked in 92 actuallyabout illuminated trees.
lighting.
Is something that is greatly underdone,I think, in the outdoor living industry.
And there's gonna be hugeimpacts going forward.
Here.

(53:48):
And so one of the big thingsthat's changed since I've been in
the industry, huge changes, is,from lighting standpoint is most of
the projects are lit today by LED.
Yeah.
Versus, the old school stuff that we had,which we have a lot more lights and we
have lights that can be used in the waterand can be used outside of the water.
When we're dealing with pools,we're doing lighting and structures.

(54:12):
And some of these structures are comingup right to the edge of the pool.
In fact, some of them water'scoming underneath those.
And so again with code you canuse LED lighting in those spaces.
The other thing is, there's landscapingand, you know, there's different
warmth exactly to the lighting.
And then a lot of peopletoday also want color.

(54:33):
And so there's all kinds ofthings that are coming with that.
And then there's different things thatare coming with, just, hey, we can
coordinate our music with our lights.
And there's fabulous advancesin technology and some
people are into all that.
Mm-hmm.
And some people want tokeep things real simple.

Trey (54:50):
The whole concept is how you transform your space after dark.
That's pretty much where it starts.

Mike (54:56):
Yeah.
So you can either.
In the party when the sun goes downor keep partying on with lighting,

Trey (55:02):
usually sometimes

Mike (55:03):
the parties start after dark.
Yeah.
So yeah.
You wouldn't even have a party then, huh?
Yeah.
Oh, maybe that's why there's notmuch lighting in our backyard.

Trey (55:10):
Maybe you're not selling lighting, you're selling access.
Okay.
To a good time.

Mike (55:13):
Yeah.
the.
Lighting It's really important whenyou talk to the client to understand
what degree that they're looking for.
Yeah.
Because there are clients thatyou know, are like, I just want.
A few features lit up that, I cansee at night and I'm good with that.
And the cool thing with lighting iswe talked with Jan Moyer is, you can

(55:34):
make things disappear by just notgiving them light shadow play, and
then play off the things that arereal important and give them light.
Mm-hmm.
And so it can make your yard canlook a lot better at night than
it does during the day becausethe bad stuff goes away by far.

Trey (55:51):
Yeah.

Mike (55:51):
100%.

Trey (55:52):
you have color, you have shadow play, like you're saying
you have glow versus spotlights.
You have function versus aesthetics.
There's a lot of range with lighting.
Where do you wanna start first though?
Pool.

Mike (56:03):
Oh yeah.
So it's

Trey (56:04):
easiest I think.

Mike (56:05):
So with the pool, the big thing today is we're gonna use more lights.
They're smaller lights and soyou get a better overall lighting
than the old single Cyclopslight under the diving board.
Yeah, that was old school.
Still out

Trey (56:21):
there.
Some people still use it,

Mike (56:22):
some of 'em, it's still out there.
And the other thing that, there, whenI first got into the pool industry,
they were trying to use fiber opticsfor lighting, which failed miserably.
So the lighting today.
Works much better.
And the things that are happening is,it used to be if you wanted one body of
water, like the spa to be one color andthe pool to be a different, you had to

(56:45):
have transformers for those respectively.

Trey (56:47):
You were notorious for that.

Mike (56:48):
Okay.
And that was a question I usedto ask people all the time.
And some people were like, who cares?
And other people were like,yeah, it's a big deal.
Now, today, every single light.
You can control individually.
Yeah.
And so the technology advanceswith that has come a long
ways in the last five years.
And so I imagine that we're gonnalook back five years from now

(57:10):
and be like, oh, that was simple.
one of the cool things that we justrecently played with was we were using.
These new spheres lighted water spheresthat were a really cool focal point
that PAL lighting came out with.
So this is a lighting company that cameout with a water feature so they could
put lights in more different things.

Trey (57:30):
So is this a acrylic or a glass?
'cause they are like, clear.
So do you know what type ofmaterial It's an acrylic product.
Okay.
Okay.

Mike (57:37):
Yeah.
You don't want to have a glass?
No,

Trey (57:39):
I would assume not.

Mike (57:41):
No.
Smack into that with, the wrongthing and shatter and have
glass particles everywhere.
No, that's bad.
That sounds bad.
So

Trey (57:48):
I love the sphere.
It's a really cool concept.
It reminds me of the bubblers becauseyou're able to take water out of the
body of the pool and light it up,which is the whole concept why I love.
Bubblers in general.
They remind me of a lavalamp but the Sophias they do
the same concept, obviously.
It's, not just one big oldbubble of water outside the pool.
It's being held together bythe acrylic, but It's so cool.

Mike (58:11):
Yeah.
it even looks really cool Ithink with the lights off.
Mm-hmm.
And then the lighting around aspace will bounce off of it, which
is a really cool look as well.
Just like I think that turningthe pool lights off in a pool
that has a dark color in it.
It becomes like a mirror as well.
And all the lights that in the houseand everything else that the cabana

(58:32):
and things like that reflect off thatsurface and it becomes like a mirror.
So it can be created reallynice setting and feeling.

Trey (58:40):
How cool is it when we went and photographed that one job and the fire was
backlit it and it didn't have a light on.
You just saw the fire just prettymuch through the lens of that feature.
It was.
Ridiculous.

Mike (58:53):
Yeah.
it can transform a space.
Yeah.

Trey (58:55):
one thing you didn't say about pool lighting, and I know we're probably gonna
get off of it 'cause it's pretty quick.
Is placement of the lights.
So a lot of people working in the field,a lot of customers would get annoyed if
the lights were pointed back at theirhouse, and I know there's visors you can
add to those so that they don't, they'renot blaring into the house, but being able
to just project them away from the house.
And also there's certain spots, like ifyou have a negative edge spa some builders

(59:19):
might not put lighting in the trench.
There's some areas that.
You need to put a light so itactually lights up the pool or else,
so it'll just be dull at night,

Mike (59:27):
right?
So it's just, and sometimes it's thepool light that's going to do that.
And sometimes if it's a feature you maywant to use lighting from outside the
pool itself to light that up as well.
And it just depends on,how you're gonna handle it.
But for the most part, whereclients are really disappointed is.
I can't see their water feature at night.

(59:49):
Because it's dark over in that areaand there's the light and the pool
isn't going to jump up the wall.
No.
And light that up.
So that's important to see at night,then you wanna set some light up
above that shines down on that.
Or there's also.
Fixtures that you can put in particularlighting of certain types of features.

(01:00:10):
So

Trey (01:00:10):
I feel like the manufactured water features have started to
implement a lot more lighting into 'em.
Whether that be shears or whateverit might be, but like custom
made, brick and mortar typedeals, like for like the grotto.
How are you gonna put a lightin the water for a grotto?
You're not, you're gonna be able toshine a light on top of it though.

Mike (01:00:29):
We put two lights in the ceiling.
Yes, but

Trey (01:00:32):
that's not I'm saying like lighting up the water itself.

Mike (01:00:35):
Well, it lit up the space behind it, which then lit
up the water in front of it.

Trey (01:00:39):
Okay.
Yeah.
You see where I'm going?
Yeah.
But that's exactly what I'm saying.
But

Mike (01:00:43):
if there wasn't a light in the grotto, then it would've been dark and
then you wouldn't have seen anything.

Trey (01:00:47):
You're not using a light in the plumbing for the grotto.
Correct.
Yeah.

Mike (01:00:51):
Yeah.
So

Trey (01:00:52):
yeah, to your point, lighting it up is key.

Mike (01:00:54):
want to think about, lighting, we've even done some simple things like,
we've got rain curtains coming out mm-hmm.
of a structure and we put a lighton the bench that you're gonna
sit on underneath that to shineup on the rain curtain itself.
So different things can be doneto create different effects.
Yeah.
But I guess what I'm sayingis there, there's gonna be

(01:01:15):
a lot of different changes.
To some extent therewas very limited color.
The color options are getting biggerand bigger, and some people are like,
I just want one blue color in my pool.
I don't need a color wheel.
A color wheel, but, whichI love the color wheel.
And every, some other people are likeno, I want to change the mood and the
setting and the feeling of a space.

(01:01:37):
Or, gee, we're, I'm at a party onSt. Patrick's Day versus Valentine's
Day versus the 4th of July.
Those are all gonna be differentcolors and, feelings that we're
gonna generate from that space.

Trey (01:01:49):
Imagine a guy that's like a Texas alumni and they're
going against Tennessee.
Maybe he wants to make sure his orangeis burnt orange and not just orange.
Okay.
You know what I mean?
You gotta be the right shade of purple.
Get that color wheel in there, makesure it's the right, and then to
that point, that's used throughthe phone con smart control is
key as well with lighting systems.

Mike (01:02:08):
Yeah.
Your driver's very important.
If you get into elaborate lighting systemsand how well it worked, we actually
talked about that with illuminated trees.
Yeah.
A couple weeks ago that, the whitelight was dimmable because of the
driver and the capabilities that it had.
but the quality of the driver willdrive a lot of the lighting product.

(01:02:29):
So

Trey (01:02:29):
communicate, yeah.
if you're doing lighting on a bigproject in general, you're gonna have
your pool lights, you're gonna have yourlandscaping lights, you're gonna have
your home lights the architectural lightsthat are outside attached to your home,
understanding smart control and how.
their driver connects with thisor if there's another service, you
can entangle everything together.
I know this is about lighting, butcontrolling the lights and making it

(01:02:52):
easier for the customer is key to lookinto because there are some products
that you're gonna be sold, and itmight be like, okay, I'm gonna have
to go turn on the pool lights withthis remote from my phone, and then,
oh, I'm gonna have to go turn on thelandscaping lights with this panel.
It's so making sure that it'sall conveniently accessible.
Is key throughout the process as well.

Mike (01:03:13):
Some of the times, as you mentioned earlier and I've seen
this and it's are you kidding?
Is they build a whole outdoorliving structure and it's got
four can lights in it, which verydimly light the space and Oh wait,
there's not a dimmer on it either.
Yeah.
So you can't control the qualityof the light or the intensity.

(01:03:33):
So that's a big place that there's a lotof separation between contractors and
the amount of lighting that gets done ina, an outdoor living space and how well
that is controllable for the homeowner.
And things like, simple things like, oh.
They set me a plug up herethat's controlled by this switch.
So if I wanna put Christmaslights up, I can do that.

(01:03:56):
String lights are another thing thatcome into play that's becoming more
and more popular in an outdoor space.
Yeah.
Some people call medicine lightswhatever you want to call them
for creating a festive setting.
A lot of times people want it overtheir, patio areas or we do a lot
of turf areas as well to create,space and feeling for the space.

Trey (01:04:17):
Those lights have the aesthetic or vibe of an outdoor
restaurant, in my opinion.
Like a lot of the successfuloutdoor restaurants these days.
Marty B's is one inthe area that we're at.
They use those and I thinkthat helps transform.
Hey, let's go have dinner outside.
It transforms that area into kindof that setting, a more, I don't

(01:04:38):
know, like a restaurant type feel.

Mike (01:04:40):
you create a, Transformative, enchanted.
Ceiling when they go out into the space.
So that's what we talked aboutwith the eliminated trees.
Yeah.

Trey (01:04:50):
Oh, no.
Yeah, that's enchanting that'sscience fiction right there.
Yeah.
That's a whole different type of lighting.

Mike (01:04:55):
That's a really cool lighting.
Yeah.
You Effect that we, we about aswell, which I see that there's
going to be more and more stuffthat, that goes in that direction.
To create different settingsand environments for people.

Trey (01:05:09):
Well, Having the possibility for that to be even
in your backyard is so cool.
So kudos to them and other peoplethat are trying to push through and
be creative and do different things.
But there's specific I call it like afunctional lighting, like you were saying.
There's some people that onlyhave four lights in a structure.
Some, I think there's some people outthere that don't even put lights in
a structure, and I think it's crazy.

Mike (01:05:29):
Oh no, it's a ceiling fan with a light kit

Trey (01:05:32):
Or they don't even have a fan and it's Texas and it gets
to 110 degrees in the summer.
It's what are we doing now?
But yeah, there's all different typesof roofs and there could be different
reasons, but there's aesthetic lightingin general, like the glow lighting,
the strip lighting or whatever youwanna call it, the rope lighting.
I think just adding that likeunderneath an island or, and just
certain areas, it just transforms.

(01:05:52):
Especially for people thatlike modern architecture,
just modern things in general.
It helps make it feel more luxurious,even though it's the same, thing,
same materials, same structurejust adding that little glow.
Some people love it, somepeople hate it, so it's.
What you think is nice.

Mike (01:06:09):
Yeah.
So under the toe kick of afireplace it's underneath the bench.
It's underneath the treads of a staircase.
Now, one, one detail thatyou have to think about is.
A lot of times yourproduct has to be thicker.
'Cause you're gonna cut a channel in the underside of that so you
can mount it so you don't seewiring as you look out into space.

Trey (01:06:28):
Yeah.
'cause the whole point is illusion.
You're selling this illusional,where is this light coming from?
It's magical.

Mike (01:06:33):
It's just glowing.

Trey (01:06:35):
Yeah.
So you'd be able to make sureyou be able to hide it if you
can see the actual light itself.
'cause it's sticking out.
Defeats the whole point.
Purpose.

Mike (01:06:41):
The one thing also you wanna do is have the capability to dim that.
'cause some of that's just.
Too bright.
It's just too bright.
And so if you have the capabilityto dim it down, then it gives
that more enchanted feeling.
Instead of a runway to an airport.

Trey (01:06:57):
I've seen renderings of people using that in the pool, like in the
coping, and maybe even like underwater.
I don't know if it's real or not, butI think that's really cool looking.
I know some people probablyhate that look, but.
I think being able to use some kind oflike rope lighting in the pool, like
that would be I think that's a veryenchanting, I guess you could say.

Mike (01:07:17):
So that's the PAL lighting can do that.
Yeah.
So someday we'll have them asa guest maybe talk about that.

Trey (01:07:23):
Okay.
We got path lighting.
Landscaping lighting.

Mike (01:07:26):
I would say check out the episode that we did with Jan on
outdoor lighting on episode 90.
Goes into more details on that.
Yeah, I agree.
another thing that we can haveand that looks nice is we can
have features in the backyard.
Oh yeah.
Which would be, focal points.
A lot of times this is art.

(01:07:47):
Sculptures.
It can be different, features.
Now, we had on episode,37 we talked with ledge.
Lounger about furniture.

Trey (01:07:57):
Yeah.

Mike (01:07:57):
So that can be something also, that's something that's
very important about looking nice.
And we we're actually gonnatalk to several other people
here in the future about that.
And if there's someone in particular thatyou think would be really good to have on.
Follow up with us and letus know who that might be.
But the other thing is that wetalked about that was very artistic
here at the beginning of the year,we talked with splinter Works.

(01:08:20):
And they have the very artistic slideof the stainless steel on episode 76.
That was really cool.
that is a a striking thingthat creates form and function
and, beauty to the whole thing.
So

Trey (01:08:37):
I think it, it's art, but it happens to be a slide, if that makes sense.

Mike (01:08:41):
Yeah.
if you haven't seen that, youmay wanna look at it and, give us
your opinion on what you think.
Uh.
About the artwork that'sfun for kids to slide down.
And adults not just kids, but

Trey (01:08:51):
there was one guy in Texas the Undertaker.
Yes.
He's got one of those.

Mike (01:08:55):
Yes, he does.
there's a lot of people that couldnot be named that also have them.
Uh, Okay.

Trey (01:09:00):
Maybe we have to bleep that out.
I don't know.

Mike (01:09:02):
No.
I'm just saying that.
Okay.
There were several other people theysaid they couldn't tell us who's.
Project that they were workingon, that one they did make a big
deal about it and it's public

Trey (01:09:11):
knowledge.
Oh, the first person, someonein the uk could not be named.

Mike (01:09:15):
Yes.
But there's a lot of things thatcould be incorporated into a
setting that are just focal points.
In my grandparents' houseas a kid, the focal point in
their garden was a bird bath.
Very simple.
Yeah.
It was just, it's for gathering for birds.
It was for the birds to sit there andmy grandfather sat with his binoculars

(01:09:37):
and watched birds all the time.
That was his favorite thing todo, But sometimes it can be just
as simple as something like that.
There's a lot of gardenornaments that fall into that.
could be a sundial it could be, asI mentioned, some different types of
sculpture which go all over the place.
We did a project a number of years agowhere we did there was an art piece

(01:09:58):
used on it, which was called The DarkPlanet which was really a cool feature.
That was developed by a artist outof England and my David Harbor.
So he's got some really cool stuff.
So that's a cool piece.
There's lots of different things thatcan be fun and they could be something
that's there for just an event.

(01:10:20):
Or they can be a permanentpiece in the garden.
So just different things you can look at.
The list is.
Practically endless.

Trey (01:10:27):
At the end of the day, you gotta understand.
What you're working with, understand thesight lines, where you spend the time.
I think majority of the things, thefeatures we've talked about, and
there's a lot more still that we justdon't have enough time to talk about.
And there's plenty of episodes that wehave, but and I'm sure you have more, but.
Just understanding that all this inmy perspective is art in general.

(01:10:47):
And I know we're talking about, you know,at the very end more artistic pieces,
but a good rock, waterfall or justwater wall or fire pit, or whatever it
might be, everyone's art to them, theirperspective of what art is is different.
And what looks nice isdifferent to people.
So understanding that andwhat's possible is key.

Mike (01:11:06):
A lot of it has to do with the materials.
Which is the last one thatyou can use in a piece.
And speaking of artwork, wehad Ray Coral the Mosa assist
on which was on episode 36.
And he creates works of artthat sometimes are underwater.
Sometimes they're not underwater, withall tile pools, which are spectacular.

(01:11:26):
And he's actually.
writer for Forbes Magazine.
Just because of his known workand the things that he's done.
But in episode nine, wetalked about materials.
Episode 57, we talkedabout acrylic windows.
So there's a lot of things thathave to do with materials, but
when it comes to building things.

(01:11:46):
It's really important toknow what these materials are
before you start construction.
Yes.
Because it all has to do with math.
I had a phone call right as westarted this that had to do with,
oh, is it this or is it that?
Because the math is totally different.
They're going to bestarting the pool shortly.
And the elevation that pool is gonnabe set at, it's gonna be different.

Trey (01:12:07):
What's the difference?
What?
Two inches?
It was.
Two inches and two inches Meana lot in a project like this.

Mike (01:12:12):
Oh, two inches is huge on how you're gonna deal with the drainage and
the pitches between a shell of a pooland the patio, which are close together.
So these are all important things tothink about, as you look at materials.
This is where you really canaffect the style of a project
In the materials that you use and create.
And it's interesting to me how materialshave changed over a number of years.

(01:12:36):
And also the just.
Materials are used all over theworld now, so it's not uncommon for
us to be using paving that's comingfrom India or Turkey and or Mexico.
Versus when I got into the industry, yougot your material right down the road.
And so different partsof the country were very.

(01:12:59):
Distinctly different because ofthe materials that were used.
And here in Texas, there's the Texasstyle, which is a lot of rock flagstone,
because they pull rock out of the ground.
Yeah.
You know, Right down the road.
And so that was a naturalthing that was used.
Versus you go to the other parts of thecountry and everything's, the stucco look
because they don't have any stone there.

(01:13:19):
So they use stucco as a product.
In some places it's brick.
So you had these.
Based masonry functions that are coveringhouses which create a certain style and
characteristic to that area because that'sthe material that was readily available.
And so now people are bringingthings in from all over the world

(01:13:40):
because they want the style andcharacteristic of some place.
They went on vacation.
They just like the style better.
Yeah.
Sometimes it's goes back to again.
A feeling that people aretrying to create in their space.

Trey (01:13:52):
Yeah.

Mike (01:13:53):
And so we want to acknowledge the feeling that you're trying
to create and continue thatfeeling into the outdoor space.
That's what most people are tryingto do, is we're gonna take the indoor
and move it into the outdoor room,which we've talked about biofilic
design and numerous episodes.
But just how we're gonna make space work.

(01:14:14):
And so the materials thatyou use is critical in that.
And some of the things that youhave to be real careful about is
we were talking to a client today.
And there's certain materialsthat they see on vacation.
In that vacation area, there'sno freezing temperatures.
Okay.
So the materials that'll workthere and the solutions that'll

(01:14:35):
work there won't work at all.
No.
When you go to a place that freezes.
Yeah.
Which, maybe it's a little bitof freezing, but still a little
bit of freezing will create theproduct will shatter will not work.
It'll come off.
So there's thermal expansion andcontraction, which in some areas is huge.

(01:14:55):
Because your swings are a hundreddegrees versus, you go to some parts of
the country and the temperature swingfrom high to low might be 15 degrees.
So you just gotta realize that, sometimeswhat works and the material, look people,
what's notorious is people will showme a picture and be like, I want that.
I'm like that works becausewhere this is, it's not freezing.

Trey (01:15:19):
Yeah,

Mike (01:15:19):
it's always

Trey (01:15:20):
hot, always cold,

Mike (01:15:21):
So for us to duplicate that look.
We can't duplicate that exactly, becausewe have freezing in Dallas-Fort Worth.
Yeah.
Now in some parts they're laughinghysterically and they're like
you don't barely have freezing.
And when it freezes,you guys all freak out.
Talk about freezing try coming up hereto Minnesota or to Colorado or to other
places that they have a lot of freezing.

(01:15:43):
But what you have to do is you have tobe very careful as a homeowner to show
someone a picture and say, I want this.
Because what you may want may beable to be not duplicated, but it
will be able to be close and we cancreate something that gives that feel.
but it's not gonna be exactbecause the properties that we

(01:16:04):
have to work with are different.
You just have to realize that there'sgotta be some flexibility there.
Yeah.
But materials I can put onematerial on a space and it will.
I give a certain feel and I can changethe material and put something else on it.
It's a totally different feel.
It's like the clothes thatyou're putting on, you can create

(01:16:25):
different styles by, what you wear.
And that certainly is the, inthe effect in the outdoor living.
The structure that's a. Stainedcedar structure looks totally
different than the one that'sa, painted white pine structure.
They're totally different lookingand again, different parts
of the country that's common.

(01:16:46):
We want to create the feelingof space that you want,
whichever, and wherever that is.
Any other thoughts on materials today?
No.
So we've created a space that looks nice.
We've created a feeling and that'sdone through water features.
It's done through fire, it's done throughlighting, it's done through art, it's

(01:17:08):
done through the different materialsin the space that you're going to use.
And so this was step four and the process.
We will continue on through thedesign process for you and help
you, figure out what's best foryou and for your family and friends
and, we'll continue this journey.
So hopefully we've given yousome good resources today.

(01:17:29):
You can check out some of theolder episodes that we went into,
more detail on these things thatwe were highlighting looking nice.
If there's particular questionsyou got, just let us know.
Give us a thumbs up, passit on to your friends.
Do all those things on social media, and

Trey (01:17:44):
think this episode is important because it really, I think it
can show the difference between.
How money is spent or how money is shown.
Because I can see a project and I'mlike, this doesn't look that nice.
And you want the moneyyou spend to be shown

Mike (01:17:59):
to be an investment.

Trey (01:18:00):
Not just that, when you walk into the backyard, you want it to,
you want it to feel like it's, wow,I spent my money wise, and I think
this is one of the key episodes.
It's like you can actually do that.

Mike (01:18:11):
Oh, most definitely.
And where you put it, you don'thave to put it everywhere.
No.
You just have to putit in the right spots.
Yeah.

Trey (01:18:17):
Understand those lines and understand what you want to pop.

Mike (01:18:20):
Yeah.
Awesome.
Great understanding.
We'll talk to y'all later.
Bye-Bye.

Outro (01:18:24):
This show is all about helping you become a better buyer, a better pool
owner, and hopefully you're gonna findsome insights into how to enjoy your pool
even more so how to help your friends,your family, anybody looking to buy a
pool in the future or that want to remodeltheir backyard, add an outdoor fireplace,
fire pit, add an outdoor kitchen area, addsome shade cells, or whatever else it is.

(01:18:48):
We wanna be that resource for you, andthat's the end goal here, and we promise.
That there's gonna bea ton of information.
We'll try to go through it, youknow, as relatively quickly, but
also slow so people can understand.
But the intent of the show, thereason Mike and I are doing this
is because we just got a lot inour heads and we wanna share it.
So we hope to see youhere every single week.
Thanks for listening.

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