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When the worms crawl in, the worms crawl out.
They'll eat your gods and spit them out.
And when your bones begin to rot, the worms remain, but you
do not. So don't ever laugh as the
hearse goes by. There's someday you'll be next
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in life. And when death brings his cold
despair, ask yourself, will anyone?
Macabre may not be suitable for all audiences.
Listener discretion is advised. Wow.
I can't believe this is the end of the recordings for seasons.
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This is insane. We've been doing this for a year
and a half. Yeah, a year and a half now.
Which is insane. I feel like we just.
Started come a long way, baby. Yeah, we have.
Yeah. And then, oh man, we still get
to teeth a little bit. But where we're going, I'm
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excited. Yeah, me too.
More on that later. Yeah, yeah.
Not quite. We got we got a couple of the
panics before we talk about it, but how do we want to start
this? I think we have to start with
the listener episode. Oh yeah, I think we do too.
And there's a lot of content, OK, we will see.
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there's so much so listeners reference.
I tried including as much as I possibly could.
I am going to have to cut some of the details out for timing
purposes, but resources are in the show notes and we're going
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to talk about the fabulous contributor for this in a
second. But hello and welcome to MC
Cobb, a dark history podcast. I'm Blair.
I'm Holly. And we are so happy that you
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Oh my gosh, it's a special occasion today on the Cobb.
It's very special occasion indeed.
Today we are celebrating our listeners in a different way
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because we're covering Why is For You Pick baby.
We picked this topic recommendedby one of our incredible
listeners and we cover as much as we can in a macabre fashion.
We love hearing from you and we see you and this is just an
extra way to celebrate you. So that's why Why is For You
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Pick because we really love you guys and this is dedicated to
the feedback that you give us. It really means a lot.
So this season's topic was recommended to us by our
listeners and Sam, Angel and Brenda, thank you guys so much.
We really appreciate it. Angel, the resources that you
sent in for this episode flooredme, floored me, incredible.
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I really hope that how I presenttoday will really do it justice.
So thank you very much. You freaking rock.
Angel did send us a little bit of a message.
I'd like to read it on on the episode just because you guys
have been incredible. You did a great job.
So Angel wrote in to us saying quote what I have found about
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Bonnie and Clyde. They did some horrible things
and destroyed the lives of so many people, lives on both
sides, those connected with the victims and lives of those who
committed the crimes. Nothing excuses the actions of
Bonnie and Clyde and those involved in the crimes that they
committed. But if you look at their lives
in a different perspective than what most people would put out
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there, that you can kind of see maybe why it came to be.
If you think about the time frame this began in the Great
Depression, them growing up in small towns of Texas, poverty
level they grew up in and thingsthat happened to them throughout
their lives. Again, it doesn't justify
anything, but it makes me see them in a different way.
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Mostly Brenda and I have the pleasure of meeting both the
niece of Bonnie and the nephew of Clyde open my eyes to a
different side and intrigued me even more than ever about these
two and their real story. I know nothing about pulling
together and actually passing Invoke to other people.
I'm very much an amateur. Oh Angel you are pro Thank you.
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I always have a ton of tabs openon my phone, tablet and laptop.
I really don't know what to do with it all.
Me too. Don't worry my my battery life
on my laptop not great. Be fabs for dates.
Always researching. Good for you, that's a good way
to be. Between my high doses of ADHDOCD
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lack of self-confidence it's been taking me a while.
Apologies to you all. No, you are perfect.
I commented to you on a post a couple weeks back that I would
be sending this e-mail to you. The promptness is not one of my
best qualities. In that she gives a little shy
face. Brenda and I went to an event
several years ago. It was in Gibson, LA and that's
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where Bonnie and Clyde were killed.
It's a tiny little town. They have an event every year
just for Bonnie and Clyde and they have a big museum.
It's gangster, but not all Bonnie and Clyde, but I think
most of it was some of the replicas were really cool.
Replica of the desk car. They do a gangster bank robbery
reenactment and they do the reenactment for the whole
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ordeal, like beginning to end incident.
There's cars riddled with bullets as they met their
demise. There's amateur actors that play
Bonnie and Clyde and some of thepolicemen, they do a really good
job. They drive the car through the
area, Law enforcement shoots thecar.
Real cool and tragic at the sametime.
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This was the actual location of where it happened and Bonnie
Parker's niece Ria Lynn Linder and Clyde's nephew Buddy Barlow
were there and they traveled to different events and talk about
the people and their families version of the stories.
Their goal has been to move Bonnie's body to be placed next
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to Clyde's grave site, which Bonnie has always wanted to be
buried next to him and I don't think that's ever happened.
We will, we will talk about thatin this episode.
We met and talked to both of them, really nice people.
Bonnie's niece stood and talked to us for about 30 minutes or
so. And this took place in the
infamous Cafe that Bonnie and Clyde had their their last meal
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before they were killed. I've enclosed some pics.
Yeah, Angel, those pics. We did include the links for
listeners if they want to look. I do highly recommend viewer
discretion. We do have an explicit stamp on
our show for a reason. And yes these are pretty graphic
even for that time. It really gives another
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perspective because I've never seen those pictures before.
Oh wait till macabre morsels. You are going to just be like
are you kidding me? Anyway it's just a thought. 500
word thought lol. Oh different take view of their
story and their family. No way to have justified their
crimes, but I think that Bria and Buddy have also put some
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facts out there and many rumors to rest.
So it's been really fun to dive into this and the duo put their
families through a lot the last years of their lives.
It was just insane. I got an autographed copy of the
book from Miss Brea that she wrote about all of it and it was
really incredible to see her. She's such a precious soul.
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Sorry for rambling, I just find this really fascinating.
You both. We love you guys both very much.
You do a great job. End Quote.
Aw Angel, thank you very much and don't ever worry about the
rambling. We really love to hear from you
and we really appreciate the work that you put into this
because this is just a message to say anybody is welcome to
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send us ideas always. We'd really love to hear from
you guys and this has been incredible.
Thank you very much for sending what you did.
I hope I can do this justice foryou.
And without further ado, here are my hide notes if you haven't
caught on already. During the Great Depression,
this criminal power couple kept the headlines running with bank
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robberies, kidnappings, and murders.
In this season's fan pic, we aregoing to dive into the story of
the notorious American outlaws Bonnie and Clyde and Oh my
goodness, quick flame a lot in ashort amount of time.
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I tried to put this in chronological order as much as I
possibly can. I use all of Angel's resources,
plus dug into the FBI records, which we're going to get into as
well. They did a really good job.
Why don't we talk about Clyde Barrow first?
So on March 24th of 19 O 9, the Barrow family welcomed their son
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Clyde into the world just outside of Telico, Texas.
The Barrows were a poor but veryclose knit family and Clyde
would be the fifth of seven children to be born.
So big family growing up he would be described as a very
unassuming child, pretty small for his age and he looked up to
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his older siblings quite a bit, which that's a very admirable
trait in a little child. But this would actually lead to
his downfall. When he hit his school years, he
had become aware that his older brother Buck was leaning into
the life of crime. And he loved his brother books
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so much and he was a major influence on him.
So when Clyde turned 16, he ended up ending all of his
schooling because he wanted to become a musician, which for the
time, it's OK. You've got some different
interesting sounds coming to society.
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And so he's wanting to play a bunch of different instruments.
So he learned how to play guitarand saxophone, which is pretty
cool. But good old Buck showed him how
to get into trouble as he got old enough to drive.
It started with stealing. At first it started with little
things, but then it grew quicklyinto bigger and bigger items
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like cars. Just how things started.
Yeah. Then it escalated to robbery
with the stolen cars. We're we're getting there real
quick. By the time Clyde reached his
20th birthday in 1929, he was already a fugitive.
Brick. Oh brick.
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So he's off doing that. Now let's talk about Bonnie
Parker. So Bonnie Elizabeth Parker was
born on October 1st of 1910 in Rowena, TX to Emma and Charles
Parker. She didn't have as many siblings
as Clyde as she had an older brother and a younger sister.
Her father died when she was four years old and so her mom
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had taken the kids and they moved in with her grandparents.
Been to a very poor suburb of Dallas that was known as Cement
City. In school.
Bonnie loved poetry and literature.
By all accounts she was a brightstudent that earned honors in
her studies. So she was she had really high
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potential and she was quite the little character when growing
up. She when she was younger she
dreamt about being an actress. She told a lot of people that
and she held onto that for her entire life.
She was a tiny lady, believe it or not.
She came in at a whopping 5 feettall on a good day, and on the
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FBI record it stated that she weighed around £90.
That's that's small. Yeah, she she could, yeah, yeah,
she could fit into a lot of places that other people
couldn't fit. Either.
Yeah, exactly, which came to herbenefit later.
Interesting. Yeah, but yeah, she was slight,
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but where she lacked in size, she made-up with personality.
She was a very quick witted lady, very funny, very smart.
No one could have predicted the path that she would end up
leading and where she ended up in her life.
In high school, she had started dating a guy named Roy Thornton,
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and that's when her life really ended up taking a turn.
It was very young love, first love, this smitten level of
love. That's OK.
You know, dancing through the flowers and the meadows and it's
going to be great. Maybe not so much.
In September of 1926, days before her 16th birthday, they
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got married. And we don't talk about this in
macabre morsels, but I wanted toput this in here because this
shows how she was as a person for the time.
Think about this. She got his name tattooed on the
inner part of her right thigh. Oh, wow.
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Yeah. Yeah.
In the 20s. She's yeah.
She's a rebel. Yeah, we love a rebel story.
Yeah, definitely, Definitely. Yeah.
She's a Spitfire for sure. Obviously, she was very in love
with Roy. It didn't last too long,
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unfortunately. Things got pretty dark.
Roy would soon turn into his true colors.
He was definitely after the wedding, not the gentleman that
she thought he was. He was very abusive towards her
and their relationship fell apart quite quickly from that.
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Three years after they were married, Roy was sentenced to
five years in prison for robberyand Bonnie then moved back in
with her family, who were quite concerned for her at this time,
and she got a job as a waitress at a place called Hargraves
where she would eventually meet Clyde.
He's gonna say tell me that's how she met him.
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It's kind of cute. It's.
I don't know this. I don't really know this story
all that well. So yeah, I'm, I'm learning as we
go. Oh, I'm excited then.
I hope I'm. I hope I'm doing it right.
I tried breaking right down the morsels part, though.
I tried saving like the craziness for morsels.
But their love story when they did meet was kind of cute
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because it was by accident. Like they kind of met through a
mutual friend. But it would have never happened
if things didn't kind of like come together.
So it it was apparently meant tobe.
It's very crazy. But she was working as a
waitress when he walked in the death.
Yeah, pretty cute. Now that we kind of have a
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background on Bonnie and Clyde, we have to talk about the weird
elephant in the room. We're talking time frames, and
as we mentioned earlier, this isthe Great Depression.
So let's talk a little bit aboutthat.
Something else to mention that happened in 1929 was the onset
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of the Great Depression, and it was a worldwide economic
upheaval that lasted for 10 years.
But the effects shook people fordecades after that.
Their lives as they knew it weresuddenly something completely
different and changing for the worst.
In most cases, there wasn't a single person on this earth that
wasn't touched by the effects ofit.
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Financial panic, declining consumer demand, the misguided
government policies that were just raining free were causing
the catastrophic nightmare to say the least, is what led to
the complete destruction that wenow call the Great Depression.
People lost their jobs, homes, lives.
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In some cases it left to starve in a never ending soup line.
This could definitely be its ownepisode.
It could be its own podcast for the things that happened.
Production was ceasing at companies because they weren't
getting the resources that they needed it.
And that just led to more job decline.
The environment impacts from that were catastrophic.
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That is what led to the great Dust Bowl.
That could also be its own episode.
Yeah. Crazy things.
People couldn't get certain foods like milk and meat.
They were trying to live off of rations.
Not great malnutrition, illness.It was everything.
MC Cobb, over 13 million people in America were unemployed
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during this time. While it's difficult to find
records of true stats, it's estimated that as many as 10
million people in America alone died during the Great Depression
due to just the hardships of theGreat Depression, not other
things. That's crazy to think about.
Yeah. And some countries were a little
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better off than we were, but some were worse.
So it bad times. You could tell why the world
changed after that. It was never the same.
The top contributors of these deaths being starvation,
malnutrition, health problems and suicide.
Like I said, very macabre. It could be its own episode.
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So with all of the things that we just mentioned about the
Great Depression, it should probably come as no surprise
that the era birthed a new type of criminal, one we have never
seen in history before. That seem to be quite an
American stamp on culture. And that would be in the 20s and
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30s. You've got big names like Bonnie
and Clyde and John Dillinger andAl Capone and Machine Gun Kelly.
They were making headlines, and they were kind of showing in a
weird, corrupt way of sticking it to the man because people
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were desperate. And people started idolizing
people like that because they were doing what they wanted.
They were taking what was, you know, quote, rightfully theirs
at the time. And people were inspired by such
things, which I think is why Bonnie and Clyde became such a
sensation. And we'll talk about that later,
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too. But let's talk about the couple,
the fatal attraction of it all. Just a few months after the
Great Depression took its first breaths, Bonnie and Clyde had
met in January of 1930. It wasn't long before they were
madly in love with each other. Bonnie was 19, Clyde was 20, and
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they met through a mutual friendwhile Bonnie was working as a
waitress at Hargreaves. But before you cue that sexy
sex, their relationship was interrupted by a theft charge.
Want wolf Clyde kind of cock blocked himself.
In that case. He was arrested for several
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thefts that were charged involving, well, auto theft.
Clyde was planning on escaping prison immediately.
And Despite that whole little problem, that really didn't sway
Bonnie and Clyde's relationship.Meanwhile, while he was in jail,
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Bonnie was back home trying to figure out a way to get him out
too. So she was trying to think of
anything that she could. And by the time her mom figured
out what was going on and seeingthis changes in Bonnie, she
wasn't livid. And she knew exactly what was
going on because Bonnie was writing Clyde letters in jail.
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She may have read some of. Them I was like, I'm sure they
were probably intercepted. Oh yeah, definitely.
Notebook. Style.
Oh yeah, they like, they like constantly wrote back and forth
to each other. And unfortunately we don't have
all of the records, but it wouldbe kind of cool to make a book
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of. All of them.
Could you imagine somebody finding those?
And they're probably gone, long gone, destroyed.
But if you had a collection of those, that'd be really cool.
If there was and I, we don't know if this is true, you know,
it could just be a speculation, but there are rumors that
Bonnie's mom might have burned some, but that could be true or
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false, you know. But I just thought it was an
interesting thing because I'm like, it would make sense if she
was not wanting Bonnie to go forth with it.
I could see that being a thing. But yeah, they continued to
write letters back and forth. Very lovesick.
And one of Clyde's sisters was interviewed decades later about
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this point in their relationship.
And she had talked about how Clyde's mom was just beside
herself going crazy because she knew about some of the things
that Clyde was doing and Buck, but she didn't realize the
extent until this charge came through.
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So things were not going well with either of their families at
this point. They were panicking because both
families were not that well off,so it was just harder for them
as well. So before we go into crimes,
because there's a lot of them, and trying to go as much in
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chronological order as possible,I would like to introduce the
Barrow Gang before we go any further.
So now this is when Bonnie and Clyde were beginning their
criminal escapades, obviously. And we have to remember that it
wasn't just the lovebirds that were going on these adventures.
They had a whole gang of people that were coming in and out at
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different times. Sometimes you'd have a couple
people, sometimes they'd be downto one person.
Sometimes they're like, we're done.
You're just going to do you kindof deal.
Clyde had a gang prior to meeting Bonnie and we'll talk
about a couple of those people as well.
But the Barrow Gang is really what made Bonnie and Clyde.
Bonnie and Clyde and how they work together.
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Let's kind of introduce them a little bit.
I'm going to read a list of the gang members for you.
Again, thank you Angel for this resource.
Let's talk about Frank Albert Klaus first.
He was arrested in October 13th of 1929 along with Clyde and
Buck while they were trying to burglarize a lumber company in
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Dallas, TX. There's also a man named Frank
Hardy. We are going to do some timeline
jump jumps just to show you likekind of what they did and what
happened. But Frank Hardy was known as a
thief in Waco, TX and he was arrested with Clyde and a man
named William Turner at the Hilton Hotel on October 16th of
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1929 as a suspicion of burglary.Clyde was released and they
claimed that he had just been picked up for hitch hiking.
So they kind of got him out of it at that point.
So let's talk about this Williamor Willie Turner, because we
talked about him briefly. He had quite the Rep.
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He was in and out with differentgangs and different people.
He kind of did some individual things as well.
But Willie Turner was also a pretty big known thief in Waco.
He was arrested with Clyde and Will at that Hilton Hotel as
well. When Clyde was released later,
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he was picked up in Dallas and there was possible charges in
Denton as well for Willie. He kind of escaped some things
more so than other people I willsay about the gang later.
He would be then put back into jail.
He was then found stealing from his mom's house and trying to
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smuggle stuff out and they put him back in jail.
He would later be captured in Middleton, OH.
There's also a guy named Hollis Hale.
He helped Clyde and Frank Hardy rob a bank in Missouri in
November 30th of 1932. There's also James Mullins.
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He had aided Bonnie and Clyde with a raid at East Him Risen
Farm where they released RaymondHamilton, Henry Methvin, Joe
Palmer, Hilton Baby and JB French.
Some of these names sound prettyfamiliar to you already.
Possibly we're going to dive into a couple of those incidents
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as well. Easton Prison is going to be
really big trauma place for Clyde and we'll talk about that
in a little bit. But James was later brought up
on charges during the trial for harboring Bonnie and Clyde, and
so he would be charged with thatlater.
Also, Joe Palmer. He was one of the men who had
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escaped during the raid on Easton Prison Farm.
But not long after that, he was actually doing some deeper
crimes. He was actually in charge of
some of the murders that were kind of wrapped up with the
gang. So he shot guard Major Croson,
who later died of his wounds in that prison escape.
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And then Palmer had joined Bonnie and Clyde and was later
captured and executed at Huntsville Prison along with Ray
Hamilton. Oh, shit.
Yeah. These guys were more of the the
cold gang members. So then finally let's talk a
little bit about Ray Raymond Hamilton.
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So March 25th of 1932 Raymond robbed The Sims oil finery in
Dallas. Clyde was with him and so was a
man named Ralph Faults. Raymond was kind of on and off
with the the gang throughout theyears.
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He did play a prominent role even though he was in and out.
He helped Bonnie and Clyde raid Easton Prison Farm to to get
everybody out that they could and he was convicted.
And then when he escaped after being convicted, he got caught
again. Very weird timeline.
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Like it is just non-stop. You're in, you're out, you're
in, you're out. He was actually given the death
sentence in 1934 and then he would be executed on May 10th of
1935. He committed a lot of crimes
with Bonnie and Clyde. He also did a lot of partnership
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with Ralph Foltz. So they're not fooling around.
They have done a lot of stuff. Their rap sheet is huge, but
they weren't really that organized.
I think the Easton prison break was probably the most organized
they ever were, and we'll talk about that.
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With that, the timeline. This is the best of my ability
in chronological order, so bear with me.
It's going to get confusing. There's a lot of repetition
because they did a lot of the same things, but here we go.
In January of 1932, when Clyde was part of the Lake Dallas
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gang, Raymond Hamilton was assisted by Ralph Foltz in a
jail escape from McKinley, Texas.
We're already off to the races with some auto thefts.
This is the first prison break. He was in prison again for auto
theft. We need to kind of go back a
little bit because we kind of left Bonnie hanging on March
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11th, 1930. Client had used a gun that
Bonnie had snuck him in prison. That was what she decided she
was going to do to help him out.BT Dubs Yeah she somehow on her
person snuck a gun. In yeah, I feel like that'd be
pretty easy back in those days. Oh yeah, for sure.
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I don't think they were doing a lot, but like she's so small
that it's like, where are you hiding?
Maybe like a skirt or something,I don't know, just.
OK, You know, Yeah. Yeah.
Snuck a gun into the prison for escape.
They were successful, but then they were caught a week later.
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Yeah, Clyde got charged. He was then sentenced to 14
years of hard labor. Yeah.
Because he didn't learn his lesson the first time.
So he was transferred to remember that phrase.
The Easton State Farm we talked about, that was a pretty
traumatic place for him. We're going to talk about just
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how traumatic This was, the worst experience of his life and
a lot of things happened to him.Multiple types of abuse and
trigger warning here for sexual abuse and other types of abuse.
There was one inmate at this prison slash farm, hard labor
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work farm that constantly was abusing him.
And Clyde really couldn't handleit after a while because there's
only so much that you can do. Like, some people did try to
help him out, but what can you really do in that case?
The facilitators obviously weren't listening, nor did they
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care. And yeah, and apparently this
was quite a common thing to happen.
So kind of give an idea. So there wasn't single jail
cells at that time for this farm.
There was just like this big house thing that they would be
locked into at night and they would have stacked bed bunks and
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it was an open floor, lights out.
And normally there was a lot of stuff that happened at Lights
Out. People were killed, people were
beaten to death like it. It was just not a great time.
All the while, Bonnie and Clyde are writing still here too.
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He was receiving some of her letters and they were both
getting really desperate, especially when Bonnie was
hearing about what was going on with Clyde and he wasn't going
into specific detail with her, but she was catching on to what
he was saying and so she got really desperate to get him out.
In 1932, his mother had convinced the judge to grant
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Clyde parole. Now this is where it gets
really, and we'll talk more about it in the macabre morsels
as well. But Clyde did not know about
this. They did not give updates to
them while they were at the thathard working labor camp
basically is what it was. So he got really desperate to
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try to get out of the hard laborcamp to get away from that guy
who was abusing him. He, he took a pretty drastic
measure with one of the friends that he made in this labor camp
and we'll talk about it at the end, but he ended up sacrificing
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parts of his body to get out of it, like cutting things off.
We'll, we'll talk about it. Macabre morsels.
Just hang on to that. There's a reason why he walked
with a limp the rest of his life.
Oh my gosh. So he and Bonnie were reunited
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shortly after his release. It only came a couple weeks
after the request by his mom andthe measures that he took to get
out of the labor camp. He committed those acts 2 days
before he was released unknowingly.
That's what makes it even worse.He tried living a normal life
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for a while because that camp really shook him.
And so Bonnie supported him. They tried doing a normal life.
It just didn't work. Like he got a job at a glass
company and it was really short lived because he was getting
harassed by the workers, some ofthe police force in the area,
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because they knew who he was andthey didn't trust him.
They thought, oh, you're going to be stealing from us.
You're going to be trying to do something behind our back.
So that I don't think helped him.
I think if he would have been left alone, it might have been a
little better. But he just went back to the
life of crime. So that's when the barrel game
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really kind of came together. He had his own gang now.
They resumed robbing small businesses and banks again.
We should mention that with Clyde.
Remember how we kind of said that He was an unassuming little
kid, quite quiet. He maintained that until he went
to Easton. One of his uncles actually
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accounted in a later interview that he went into Easton a a
schoolboy, quiet and shy, and hecame out a rattlesnake.
Like it really changed him for the worse.
And I think that if he wouldn't have had that experience, I
don't think that things would have ended up the way they did
for him. So let's talk about what
happened then. Just a month after he was
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released. Still in 1932, Clyde, Ralph and
Raymond robbed that Sims Oil refinery in Dallas, TX.
The same day they would go on tocommit auto theft in Arlington,
TX. And it should be noted that the
biggest things that they did steal were vehicles.
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They were not an organized gang.They were not strategic.
They kind of robbed to get by with what they had taken and
they would just drive around thecountry until they ran out of
money and then they would do it again.
So it wasn't like they were justlike, we're going to go to this
town and we're going to just take it all.
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You know, they were just wantingto live in the moment and when
they were done, they were going to rob again and probably take
another vehicle so they couldn'tbe tracked.
So the random monetary values, you're going to be shocked about
this because I definitely was here I was thinking they were
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stealing like thousands of dollars at a time.
No, it's. Just out of necessity, just to
get. By Yeah, exactly.
So like I said, the car's most valuable thing, especially for
that time period. But their monetary values range
from $10 to $15. Most of the time, yeah, they
would get excited about a $50 increment.
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And there was one time that in one go they stole $1500.
And that was like, you know, it was a.
Lot of money back then. Yeah, yeah.
And so it wasn't like they were all the time.
They weren't like, taking, like,big amounts.
They weren't necessarily trying to hurt people either, unless
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they knew it was going to be a problem.
And that's how murders started happening.
They were kidnapping people and it was basically to just cover
themselves. It wasn't a, yeah, let's go out
and hurt some people. They were not that type of gang.
So I thought it was very interesting that that's how they
operated because we know, like some popular gangsters at the
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time, they were a little more cutthroat.
Bonnie and Clyde and the Barrow Gang weren't that way
necessarily. So this pattern would continue
for the rest of their lives. Bonnie had joined them then in
that April of 1932. And this is when Romeo and
Juliet's story got really, really more macabre.
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It took a wild turn after Bonniejoined on April 18th.
Bonnie Clyde and Ralph Folds hadrobbed a hardware store in Ma
Bank, Texas to get some guns. Because, yeah, at that time, you
could pick up a gun like some nuts and bolts at a hardwood
store. So they were caught when they
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broke out the back. They did have a vehicle that
they stole that they took there that broke down because it got
shot at. So they went running until they
found the nearest house. And this poor farmer.
But it's kind of funny at the same time.
So they were like pounding on the front door.
They're like, let us in, give usyour car, you know?
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And then old guy comes out, thislittle farmer, and he's I don't
have a car. But I have two mules.
So they made a freaking Monty Python style escape on mule with
these cops following him like shooting all the way.
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Clyde actually made it out he escaped.
Ralph and Bonnie were not so fortunate.
They were caught on their mule. But the the cops, they took them
in and I'm like, I'm just like trying to picture that going
down. Yeah, Because I can't imagine
the mules are like, yeah, we're not going very fast.
You know. So Bonnie was then put in prison
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for a couple months because of that.
You know, the meal didn't do thejob, right?
That's like a reference back to Bob the meal from that one God
episode. No, Yeah, I just thought of
that. But she, she passed her time
quite well. While she was in prison.
She was writing poetry and she was trying to write some
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letters. And we do have a couple of
accounts of some of her writing from this time, which is really
cool. I wonder, I really, really love
to read more of her stuff. I somebody out there has had to
publish some of her stuff and I'd love to get a copy of it.
But she wrote about a lot of things.
She wrote about life. She wrote about being on the
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run. She wrote about her relationship
with Clyde. So in the biography, there was a
section that actually gave a little snippet of one of her
poems called The Trail's End, which I thought was very
foretelling. And I think she kind of knew
like this couldn't last forever.One of the stanzas read quote
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Someday they'll go down togetherand they'll bury them side by
side to a few. It'll be grief to the law, a
relief, but it's death for Bonnie and Clyde.
End Quote. She knew, but she's.
Yeah, and knowing that she didn't get to be buried by him.
But like I said, all that much more sad.
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I know more to come on that there might be some good news
with that aspect. We'll talk about it in Cobb
Morsels. We'll also talk about the
relatives that Angel had mentioned that they're trying to
help with that. During this time, Clyde was
still on a crime spree, regardless of Bonnie being in
prison, and he had robbed a small store and Clyde, this is
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when it really got dark for him.Clyde ended up killing a police
officer and the store owner in that case because there wasn't a
way out. In a later interview, his family
had recalled him running back home after this incident.
And all he kept saying was it wasn't my fault.
I don't have a choice in the matter.
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They left me no choice. I had to do it.
And they would kind of mention that that was always his answer
after every crime committed, that it wasn't his fault and he
had to do what he he had to do. He tried avoiding jail at all
costs, and I think that he just felt like he didn't have another
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way to live. I don't know, I just feel like
he just thought that that's whathis life needed to be.
But because of that incident, Clyde Barrel would now have a
large price on his head. In June of 1932, the court
didn't convict Bonnie. She had claimed that she was
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kidnapped by the Barrel gang andthat, you know, she didn't
really have any choice. She was told what to do, and so
she tried to do it to save herself.
So she was released and guess what she did?
She went right back to Clive immediately.
The crime spree continued, now with Bonnie Parker in tow, and
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the action would not quit. Their radius was growing to
other states now across the US as they traveled, stealing more
cars, taking more money. By the spring of 1933, they were
living with Clyde's brother Bookand his wife Blanche in Joplin,
MO. It wasn't long before the
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neighbors started growing suspicious after seeing and
hearing some stuff going on at the Barrel property and they
contacted the police. Law enforcement came to the home
and there was a shootout. The gang escaped, but not before
killing two police officers. At the scene, police would
retrieve some of the items that the gang left behind while they
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ran, one of which was a roll of film that contained pictures of
Bonnie and Clyde. And those are the pictures we
see today doing some random funny poses and stuff like that.
It went down in record that the one picture of Bonnie where
she's got, like, a cigarette hanging out of her mouth and
she's, like, hanging on to the tall gun next to her, kind of
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like doing one of those, like, funny faces.
She apparently hated that picture, and she hated the fact
that that was the one that they normally use for her.
Yeah, I thought that was kind offunny, But because now they have
pictures, You can see where thisis going.
The newspaper picked it up. Oh, yeah.
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And this is when they exploded. They had been hearing stories
and these rulers about Bonnie and Clyde and the Barrow Gang,
but they didn't know what they looked like.
Now they did, and the obsession grew and the accounts of their
exploits exploded in the tabloids.
Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow were becoming an American
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criminal sensation. With that being said, people are
starting to really see and recognize who they are, and so
they're not able to get away as easily as they were before.
In 1933, they were wanted for several murders before the
shootout even happened, so they're really going to town.
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The FBI would now get involved in December of 1932, so they are
already on the force. They are working with different
local departments to try to track them down and this is a
time when you didn't really do that.
There wasn't a lot of collaborating with different
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locale for police departments oranything like that.
The fact that the FBI got involved with multiple at this
time is big deal. There were so many police
forces, law enforcement agenciesthat were collaborating together
to try to track them down. It was insane.
It would really take up their time and bottleneck other crimes
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in this time because they were just too busy and then didn't
have the the power behind it to really track down their
excursions and catch them. Their recklessness was only
amping up by the summer of 1933 and in June it would take
another turn. So this is an excerpt that I
found from an article from The History Channel that really
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dives into the details of what happened in this accident, but
it would forever change them, itsays.
Quote On the night of June 10th in 1933, Clyde, with Bonnie in
the passenger seat, were speeding along the rural roads
of North Texas so quickly that he missed a detour sign warning
of a bridge under construction. The duo's Ford V8 smashed
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through a barricade at 70 mph and sailed through the air
before landing in a dry riverbed.
Oh my gosh, yeah. How they even survived that?
Wait, I know I'm like, back thencars were like boats, but they
didn't have seatbelts. 70 miles an hour though, That's insane.
I don't even know they could go that fast to be honest.
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Neither did I was like damn Oh my God, that's and they're lucky
that the riverbed was dry because I feel.
Like one of my worst nightmares.Same same.
They survived, but not without being scathed.
So this is a it's graphic. Fair warning, scalding acid
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poured out of the smash car battery, severely burning
bodies, right leg eating away ather flesh down to the bone in
some places as a result of the third degree burns.
Bonnie, like Clyde, walked with a pronounced limp for the rest
of her life, and she had such difficulty walking at times that
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she had to have Clyde help her or carry her around.
Yeah, they obviously were not taking them to a hospital when
any of the gang members got injured because that would be
done so right there for them. They would know exactly who they
were and what happened. So they ended up bringing her to
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one of the more proximately close houses, you could call it.
It was not a very populated areawhere this happened.
So they had to travel for quite some time to find somebody, and
I don't think that the people atthe home necessarily knew who
they were right away. But it didn't take long.
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And they kind of left Bonnie there for a little bit, but then
they came back to get her later.So yeah, the police did end up
figuring it out, and they had discovered where they had been.
And this is where one, they wereinjured.
It would never be the same for them.
They'd be in a lot of pain goingforward.
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But also it was starting to get very easy to track where they
had bed. So it started getting more
difficult to run. A month later, the gang were
involved in another shootout with law enforcement when they
were found in Platte City, MO. And this $1.00 was seriously
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injured. And they were worse for wear at
this point. They got away again somehow.
But just a few days later, Buck and Blanche had to give up
because they were caught again and they surrendered this time.
They couldn't keep going like they were.
Unfortunately, Buck Barrow died not long after this from his
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injuries in the hospital and Blanche would be sentenced to 10
years in prison. So people are going down now.
Sometime after that, Jones had split with Bonnie and Clyde and
he was caught later in November of 1933.
And later that month, in November, the 22nd to be exact,
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a sheriff and his deputies had set up a trap for Bonnie and
Clyde in the Grand Prairie, TX area.
Their gunfire rang out as they approached, but again, they
escaped unscathed. Not even a month later, they
would be helping with more crimes.
And this one, a prominent kidnapping took place.
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They had kidnapped an attorney and taken his car, then left him
in a undisclosed location. They're like, bye, we thanks for
your stuff. And then they left and they took
the car and they abandoned it inMiami.
OK. It's like non-stop.
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And I can see why they can't keep up with them.
Just a few days before Christmasin that year, they robbed
somebody in Sheriff Port, Louisiana.
And now we're going to start talking about the chronological
events that led up to the end times for them.
And we can't really do any more justice than the FBI records.
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So the next portion of this is going to be a lot of account
from the FBI records, which we also have included in the show
notes. If you want to look, there's
hundreds and hundreds of pages of archives.
But before we can really talk about what started going down
and what led up to the morning of May of 1934, we have to cut
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it there for time purposes. Sorry listeners, you got the the
amp up and now we're going to start descending.
In Part 2, we're going to go through the FBI records, we're
going to talk about some crazy macabre morsels, and we'll talk
about their legacy in the next episode.
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To be continued. Awful.
I guess we're just going to haveto shock you later.
Bye. None.