May 26, 2025 • 29 mins
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(00:00):
When the worms crawl in, the worms crawl out.
They'll eat your gods and spit them out.
And when your bones begin to rot, the worms remain, but you
do not. So don't ever laugh as the
hearse goes by. There's someday you'll be next
(00:21):
in life. And when death brings his cold
despair, ask yourself, will anyone?
Macabre may not be suitable for all audiences.
Listener discretion is advised. Going forward, I'm going to be
reading a lot of FBI documents to really do with the events
(00:44):
leading up to that final morningjustice, so bear with me.
There's going to be a lot of reading from the report to give
you some details that kind of only they knew at that time.
It's kind of cool to see too that, you know, you're kind of
dipping, really dipping into thepast by looking at some of this.
And like we had mentioned and the last one as well, these
(01:07):
links will be in the show notes if you want to take a look.
There's hundreds of archived pages on them both.
So I highly recommend taking a look at that.
Again, viewer discretion is advised with some of the images
that they have. All right, so here we go.
(01:27):
We're going to start reading from the FBI reports now.
So quote, on January 16th of 1934.
So we have reached the last Year5 prisoners, including Raymond
(01:47):
Hamilton, who was already serving a sentence totaling more
than 200 years because of the things he's done.
Oh yeah were released from the east of State Prison Farm at
Waldo, Texas by Clyde, accompanied by Bonnie. 2 guards
were shot by the escaping prisoners with automatic pistols
(02:09):
that had been previously concealed in a ditch by Barrow.
As the prisoners ran, Barrow covered their retreat with Bursa
machine gunfire. Among the escapees were Henry
Methvin of Louisiana. He will come into play later.
Just so you know. Account from April 1st, 1934,
(02:33):
Bonnie and Clyde encountered twoyoung highway patrolmen near
Grapevine, TX. I guess you could say they heard
it through the Grapevine. Sorry, that was a really low
hanging fruit then. That just shows our age.
I know, good song. And the report goes on to say
(02:53):
before the officers could draw their guns, they were shut on
April 6th. Just five days later, 1934, a
constable at Miami, OK, where was mortally wounded by Bonnie
and Clyde. The criminals also abducted and
wounded a police chief. It goes on to say.
(03:15):
Although the FBI had jurisdictions solely on the
charge of transporting a stolen automobile, the efforts of the
Bureau agents were vigorous and relentless.
Every clue was followed with wanted notices with
fingerprints, photographs, descriptions, criminal records
and other information were then distributed to all officers.
(03:37):
Anything that we had on the cases were being distributed.
Agents followed the trail through many States and into
various haunts of the Barrow Gang, particularly 'cause I
could talk, particularly Louisiana.
That's my kryptonite word there's.
So many words and. I'm like, OK, I really tried to
(04:00):
get the pronunciations down as well for some of these places.
And so that is the one thing I think it was like reading
Louisiana before I got even to particular.
So it was like particular woke was Reaver.
And as a side note, I've had to mute myself most of this time
because my stomach is making so much noise.
(04:23):
Oh, no, no. Are you so at one point?
So at one point the Patreon people, you probably saw me
just, like, laugh. For no reason.
Completely out of context, but Iwas muted it sounds.
Like there's a fucking frog in my stomach.
I keep hiccuping it's. Just so funny you.
(04:47):
Know. Didn't say.
That I had a snack. That's the problem.
In between the break I had some French fries and now my.
Stomach is, which is funny. Because of the episode.
We're going to do it a little bit on worst ways to die in the
Boroque era. It's going to be a SO.
Exciting, yeah. So.
Anyways, Patreon, sorry about myface.
(05:11):
Also, sorry about my first. That reminds me of where we
recorded Rasputin. And I'm like, I'm the one doing
the talking and it, it's just, I'm like trying to talk over it,
like trying to like suck in my stomach.
And it was. Just like these are.
(05:31):
The realities of podcasting it's.
The real. Oh, sorry, I just had to put
that out there. No, that's OK.
Now I know. And now I'm going to not giggle
at you. And also.
So particularly we're there, therecord goes on to say, and this
is when they start really mentioning Henry Methvin because
(05:54):
he was associated in the last times of their time in the
criminal world. Henry, of course, was associated
with the Methvin family of Louisiana and they were already
in the light of the FBA eyes attention.
Let's just say they're, they dida lot of stuff too.
(06:17):
And they were kind of the reasonwhy things went down for Bonnie
and Clyde initially. Just how it LED up to that.
They, the FBI agents, it goes onto say they found that Bonnie
and Clyde had been driving a stolen car in New Orleans.
And so this is when things really started to go down.
(06:38):
The chase was on. On April 13th, 1934, an FBI
agent obtained information that placed Bonnie and Clyde in a
remote section southwest of thatcommunity and the Methvens home
was not that far away and the agents learned of visits there
by Bonnie and Clyde. Special agents in Texas had
(07:01):
learned that Clyde and Bonnie had been traveling from Texas to
Louisiana, sometimes accompaniedby Henry Methven.
Henry Methven had his own thingsgoing on.
It should also be noted at this time that they were being hunted
down by a Texas Ranger, and that's saying some.
They don't fuck around either. No, they make Chuck Norris look
(07:26):
like a Disney movie in real life.
Just so you know, he may have been Walker, Texas Ranger, but
oh man, yeah, let's just say they don't fuck around.
So the FBI and local law enforcement authorities in
Louisiana and Texas concentratedon apprehending Bonnie and Clyde
(07:46):
even more so now they have more forces on this case.
It was learned that Bonnie and Clyde, with some of the meth
fans, had staged a party at Black Lake, Louisiana on the
night of May 21st, 1934, and we're due to return to the area
two days later. If they won't have returned,
(08:09):
they may have gotten away with more shit.
The last record from the FBI account on this particular side
of their rapport was quote. Before dawn on May 23rd, 1934,
police officers from Louisiana and Texas concealed themselves
(08:34):
in bushes along the highway nearSells, Louisiana.
In the early daylight, Bonnie and Clyde appeared in an
automobile and when they attempted to drive away, the
officers opened fire. Bonnie and Clyde were killed
instantly. At the time they were killed,
Bonnie and Clyde were believed to have committed 13 murders and
(08:58):
several robberies and burglaries.
Clyde was suspected for murdering 2 police officers at
Joplin, MO. He was also suspected of
kidnapping a man and a woman in a rural Louisiana area.
He released them near Waldo, Texas.
Numerous sightings linked this pair to bank robberies and
(09:18):
automobile thefts. Clyde allegedly murdered a man
in Hillsboro, TX, committing robberies in Lufkin and Dallas,
TX, murdered one sheriff and wounded another at Stringtown,
Oklahoma, Kidnapped a deputy at Carlsbad, NM.
Stolen automobile at Victoria, TX.
(09:39):
Attempted to murder a deputy at Wharton, TX.
Committed murder and a robbery at Abilene and Sherman, TX,
Committed murder at Dallas, TX. Abducted a sheriff in the Chief
of police at Wellington, Texas and committed murder at Joplin
and Columbia, MO End of report. End Quote.
(10:07):
Oh, I can take a breath. They had a rap sheet.
Oh, definitely. Nobody was losing their job in
the filing department at the FBI.
Yeah, they were busy. Bonnie and Clyde lived a very
fast life and they met their endjust as quickly.
(10:28):
In the documentary that was put on by the American Experience
about Bonnie and Clyde at the end, they stated for over 2
years the country had been transfixed by their illicit
romance and violent crime spree that left a trail of dead bodies
in its wake. Though their exploits were
romanticized, Bonnie and Clyde and their Barrow Gang were
(10:51):
believed responsible for at least 13 murders and numerous
robberies and kidnappings. And while there were just a
small time criminals compared tovery well known gangsters who
were the centerpieces of the J Edgar Hoover's Most Wanted list,
they held the attention of many Americans.
(11:14):
End Quote. Yeah, they left quite the legacy
behind them. They left a very lasting
impression on a lot of people. Their fame would grow outside of
America after the 30s, but they remain a very big staple in
American history. So we are going to talk now
(11:37):
about macabre morsels, which I tried keeping the content as
report like as possible because this shit is crazy.
If you guys are like, why didn'tyou tell us what happened to him
at East him, I'm going to tell you now and just trigger warning
(12:01):
here, OK? It's quite graphic.
Clyde drove without his shoes on.
Most the time he just drove in his socks and that's because one
of his big toes and another toe were cut off at Easton.
He reported it as an accident while he was working in the
(12:22):
labor fields. But remember I told you he had
asked one of his friends. He had made one of the other
inmates do it so he could get out of the hard labor.
He would walk with a limp the rest of his life because
obviously there wasn't a lot of nice tools to use to do a clean
cut. He knew that if he did this, he
(12:45):
would get out of a lot of the work, and he didn't know that
his mom had already got in a parole release for him.
And literally 2 days after he had the inmate do that to his
foot, he got out. Yeah, that's how desperate he
was. That's how bad of a place Easton
was. I couldn't find how the inmate
(13:07):
had done it. I don't know if we really want
to go with it. Yeah, I think we could.
Probably use our imaginations. And.
It's. I'm sure it was.
Awful. Uh huh.
Especially after walking with a limp the rest of your life.
You know that's not even there. There's some weird scar tissue
and stuff going on for sure. So him and Bonnie would
(13:29):
eventually be limping together on their escapades and that
didn't slow him down. They just, they kept going.
Another morsel for you. As we know, Bonnie wrote poetry,
and that stemmed back from her school days actually, as she
continued to write the rest of her life, Little segments,
letters, poetry, it was fueled by movies and books and
(13:51):
magazines that she loved to see and read.
She was a dreamer for sure, and she wanted her life to be like
the movies so much that while she was working as a waitress at
Hargreaves, she actually paid for glamour shots.
You can find them, I believe in one of the FBI archives.
You can find them, but they are you can find them online.
(14:14):
That she was gorgeous. She had sent these headshots to
Hollywood along with some letters requesting work and they
were of course never returned toher.
But that she had always wanted to be an actress.
Bonnie. Also something else to note, she
died with her wedding ring on her finger.
(14:35):
That wedding ring wasn't from Clyde, that was from Roy
Thornton. They never were divorced.
She just kind of ignored him. Like she it was clear that she
still thought about him, but they were only ever separated
and that ring always stayed on her finger so.
That's interesting. Which I don't know why because
(14:56):
it seems like her and Clyde had a very strong connection, like
more than her and Roy ever did. But I don't know going into the
stealing aspect, they never stole more than $1500 at a time.
That was the biggest amount theyever did.
So it's. Not like their one big school
(15:18):
rest was just nickel and dime. Kind of.
Which is crazy, right? Yeah.
Especially look at John Dillinger and Al Capone and
stuff. And then you see Bonnie and
Clyde and it's, you know, so some logistics on that final
event. Their getaway car was shot more
than 130 times. FBI documents said that they
(15:43):
were both killed instantly basedon the impact and the reports
from the ones who were firing the shots and other interesting
facts. Speaking of tattoos, so Bonnie
had a tattoo, as we know, so didClyde.
He had a tattoo on his left arm that said USN because as a
teenager, Barrow tried enlistingin the US Navy, but he received
(16:08):
a medical rejection due to some lingering illnesses that he had
as a child. So he never did actually make it
in, but he wanted to. And so he had tattooed that
before he even got in. Imagine how different his life
would have been. Right.
Oh exactly, if he would have gotten in, would he have just
(16:31):
gone on to live that sort of life?
And would eventually would Bonnie have eventually become
part of Hollywood? Makes you wonder.
Parallel universe. Imagine what?
That would be like. Yeah.
One of the crimes that Clyde committed with his brother Buck
was stealing a truck that was loaded full of turkeys.
I thought that was really fun. Bonnie and Clyde robbed more mom
(16:55):
and pop shops than they did Banks Oregon bigger businesses,
which makes sense with the amounts that they stole, but
that's something to keep in mind.
A lot of people think that it was just one bank after the
other and that's just not the case.
This fact I'm about to tell you is very MC Cobb and we have seen
(17:15):
it before. But I did not know this about
this case because I didn't realize there was so many people
there. People tried to take things from
the final gruesome crime scene. Surprise surprise.
Some went to very extreme lengths to get souvenirs,
cutting pieces off of the duo asthe bullets were still hot.
(17:37):
So where are these people hiding?
Are they in the bushes with the policeman?
Like what the shit? Yeah.
One man tried cutting off 1 of Clyde's ears.
Oh my. God.
Another guy tried taking one of his fingers before a policeman
got involved. They weren't able to stop
everyone, though, and we don't know exactly everything that was
(17:59):
taken, but one account that we know for sure of somebody they
couldn't stop was a gentleman. What?
She's not a gentleman. We're just going to say a man
successfully cut some of Bonnie's hair off and part of
her dress that was blood stainedand got away with it.
Yeah. And it's so that's floating out
(18:20):
there somewhere. After the two were killed, the
vehicle, which would become known as the death car, toured
fairgrounds to show as an example for anti crime lectures.
And this is unfortunate. In some cases, both Bonnie and
Clyde's mothers toured with the death car in a sideshow as
(18:41):
attraction. I don't think that's very fair.
And I can't imagine how difficult that would have been
because it's that was your childthat was killed.
And like, obviously, there was alot of conflict at home about
what they were doing, but it wasobvious that both of their moms
(19:03):
were very torn up, that this is the life that they chose.
And so I can't imagine just adding insult to injury with.
I can't imagine that. I don't think that was very
right. The car, if you're wondering, is
now located at a casino called Whiskey Pete's Resort, which is
located near Las Vegas. You can still go visit it.
(19:25):
Yeah. It's traveled throughout the
years, But this is where it's resting now, which is very
interesting. There's a lot of replica cars
that go around to different fairs like Angel and Brenda were
AT, and they had mentioned that in Louisiana they do that every
year. There's a bunch of replica cars
throughout the United States. Bonnie and Clyde are not buried
(19:48):
together, as we had mentioned before, despite their wishes.
Some of their relatives went to quite great lengths to get them
buried together. We do have an update.
On this, I did some digging. The last update we have is from
January of last year in 2024. Both Raya and Buddy, the niece
(20:12):
and nephew, Bonnie and Clyde, we're trying to make this
happen. There is a fund page out for
this and there's an organizationin place that they're trying to
get Bonnie moved. There are no other updates.
It apparently was being looked into and upon approval or close
to approval, so we'll see what happens in the next few years.
(20:33):
But currently they are still buried in separate cemeteries, 9
miles apart from each other. Bonnie's niece, Raya Lee Linder,
and Clyde's nephew, Buddy Barrow, still try to keep their
stories and history alive. And like Angel and Brenda said,
they do travel around the country.
They do interviews, they've written books, they've done
(20:54):
documentaries. They try to keep the story
straight because there's a lot of legend and rumor out there
about Bonnie and Clyde that aren't true.
One of those being that Bonnie was actually pregnant and had
Clyde's child. That is not true.
So that's just one easy rumor toget off of the plate right now.
(21:15):
There's a lot of things that have been said about them over
the years that just aren't true,so the two of them are doing a
great job by spreading the truthand keeping those stories
straight. For history's reasons, Bonnie
and Clyde still influence American culture today with
references and TV shows, music, movies, just to name a few.
(21:36):
The most recent movie involving Bonnie and Clyde came out in
2019 called The Highwaymen, starring Kevin Costner, Woody
Harrelson, and Kathy Bates. Have you seen it?
I have. Is it good?
Yeah, it's really good. It's on my list now.
I think I need to watch it afterthis.
(21:56):
Yeah. What a life.
Short, fast craziness. Now that we've come to the end
of the episode, I want to get your thoughts on this.
Because Bonnie and Clyde were sensationalized, for sure.
They gained a big picture. They were kind of people just
(22:19):
assume that they were robbing a bunch of big banks for big
amounts of money. And it's just it's simply not
the case. A lot of people discuss the fact
that, you know, first of all, that was almost 100 years ago.
And we kind of are seeing some reflection in our current times
(22:42):
with how the economy seems to begoing.
But I think, you know, especially nowadays, we can
maybe see why people were turning to this back at that
time and why it did become so sensationalized.
So I wanted to get your thoughtson it.
Do you think that this lifestylefor them was kind of birthed out
(23:07):
of what they thought was necessity?
100%, yeah. Especially since I mean, look at
Bonnie like she was a dreamer. She wanted to get to Hollywood
to be an actress. But you got to have money to do
that. Yeah, she got famous in a
different way for. Sure.
Definitely outliving a lot of the big name actors and
actresses at the time in Hollywood for sure.
(23:30):
People were doing a lot of desperate things at that time.
And, you know, like you said, wecould have an entirely separate
episode on that. I mean, people were selling
their own. Kids.
Yes. Oh yeah.
So a lot of desperate things just to.
Try to survive. And the fact that they were
hitting the. Mom and pop shops.
(23:51):
You know, and sadly, like peopledid lose their lives because
they. Felt like they.
Were forced. To make those decisions
unfortunately, but by them not going for the big banks and
stuff, it makes you look at things a.
Little bit differently like. They were trying to do what they
could to survive with the least amount of impact.
(24:12):
Didn't go that way, but. Right.
Yeah. And I mean, you can totally see
that in the reports and how it just escalated because they
definitely were not. I mean, some gangsters at that
time were out to kill, like theywere more cold blooded.
But you could tell that wasn't the case for Bonnie and Clyde.
You know, some of the Barrow Gang was definitely out there
(24:36):
for more of the crazy stuff, butyou could tell that it was just
to get by and it wasn't anythingto try to hurt people
physically. So yeah, they're definitely a,
they kind of stand alone in their own category in my
opinion, in that sense. And of course, like I agree with
(24:56):
Angel in her message in the beginning, it does not justify
the crimes. Obviously we don't condone that
on the show at all. Robbery, stealing or any other
crimes, murder, etcetera. We don't condone that on the
show. But I think it's easy to just
see why their lives led to wherethey did.
And then Clyde being so influenced by Buck, Yeah, You
(25:19):
know, Buck was doing that since Clyde was just a tiny little
tot, you know? Yeah, and if he saw him doing
something different. Yep.
That wouldn't have maybe even entered his mind.
You know, he wanted to be a musician.
Yeah. And it's imagine where that
could have gone. Or, you know, Bonnie.
Wanted to be an actress, you want to be a musician.
(25:39):
It's fun, it's interesting. I didn't know that about them.
Yeah, I know. I thought that was so cool
because, yeah, maybe she would have been in Hollywood.
Maybe he would have been in Louisiana.
It's just like a very weird thing.
And, you know, they're they bothcame from Texas in some smaller
towns. They weren't necessarily that
(25:59):
far away from each other. They were about the same age.
And so it's just it's crazy how things happen, for sure.
Yeah. But sirs, what do you think?
That's the debate for you. Let us know and all of the ways
that you can reach us. Let us know what you think.
Do you think that they were kindof doing it for the fun of it,
(26:23):
or do you think that part of it was because of necessity and
that they were so young, they wanted something different out
of life? And yeah, Angel, Brenda, great
freaking topic choice. Thank you to the fam for voting
this as the You Pick episode. We really appreciate it.
(26:46):
Angel had brought up a good point in the beginning to that,
you know, not all stories are black and white.
And it's really interesting to dig into what we do on the show
'cause we get to see things froma different standpoint.
And I know that, you know, we'renot at the technical end of the
season yet, but just in the timethat we've been doing the show,
(27:08):
I've learned so much from the things that we've talked about.
It is insane. I mean, we think that things
were better back in the day or things were different.
They weren't different. They just have a different face.
They're the same thing. And it's a very interesting
(27:28):
journey that we've been on for sure.
So with that, listeners, thank you so much for coming to hang
with us today. We really appreciate it.
We freaking love you guys. Again, a very big thank you to
Angel, those resources. Thank you.
You freaking rock. Brenda, you too.
It's good to see you guys over there on the Facebook group.
(27:51):
Thank you for sending your pictures in from visiting the
fairgrounds where you got to witness the reenactment.
Those were really freaking cool.And all of the artifacts and the
things that you've seen in Louisiana for the fair, it was
phenomenal. We really appreciated that.
Thanks for sharing that with us.And we can't ever tell you
enough how much we are appreciative of all of you.
(28:14):
So thank you so much and let us know what you think.
But hey, we're just around the corner for Season 3.
We're almost there. But that doesn't mean that you
can't still submit topics that you would like to hear about
because we're amping up. All right?
(28:36):
So keep it coming just because the why is for you.
Pick episodes done. Doesn't mean we're going to stop
taking recommendations, so keep them coming.
They've been excellent. I've been keeping tabs.
OK, might not seem like it, but I am.
I'm writing shit down. All right, so stay tuned.
And as always, have fun, be safe, be kind, and we will shock
(29:01):
you later. Ah boy.
(29:38):
None, just already.
When the worms crawl in, the worms crawl out.
They'll eat your gods and spit them out.
And when your bones begin to rot, the worms remain, but you
do not. So don't ever laugh as the
hearse goes by. There's someday you'll be next
(00:21):
in life. And when death brings his cold
despair, ask yourself, will anyone?
Macabre may not be suitable for all audiences.
Listener discretion is advised. Going forward, I'm going to be
reading a lot of FBI documents to really do with the events
(00:44):
leading up to that final morningjustice, so bear with me.
There's going to be a lot of reading from the report to give
you some details that kind of only they knew at that time.
It's kind of cool to see too that, you know, you're kind of
dipping, really dipping into thepast by looking at some of this.
And like we had mentioned and the last one as well, these
(01:07):
links will be in the show notes if you want to take a look.
There's hundreds of archived pages on them both.
So I highly recommend taking a look at that.
Again, viewer discretion is advised with some of the images
that they have. All right, so here we go.
(01:27):
We're going to start reading from the FBI reports now.
So quote, on January 16th of 1934.
So we have reached the last Year5 prisoners, including Raymond
(01:47):
Hamilton, who was already serving a sentence totaling more
than 200 years because of the things he's done.
Oh yeah were released from the east of State Prison Farm at
Waldo, Texas by Clyde, accompanied by Bonnie. 2 guards
were shot by the escaping prisoners with automatic pistols
(02:09):
that had been previously concealed in a ditch by Barrow.
As the prisoners ran, Barrow covered their retreat with Bursa
machine gunfire. Among the escapees were Henry
Methvin of Louisiana. He will come into play later.
Just so you know. Account from April 1st, 1934,
(02:33):
Bonnie and Clyde encountered twoyoung highway patrolmen near
Grapevine, TX. I guess you could say they heard
it through the Grapevine. Sorry, that was a really low
hanging fruit then. That just shows our age.
I know, good song. And the report goes on to say
(02:53):
before the officers could draw their guns, they were shut on
April 6th. Just five days later, 1934, a
constable at Miami, OK, where was mortally wounded by Bonnie
and Clyde. The criminals also abducted and
wounded a police chief. It goes on to say.
(03:15):
Although the FBI had jurisdictions solely on the
charge of transporting a stolen automobile, the efforts of the
Bureau agents were vigorous and relentless.
Every clue was followed with wanted notices with
fingerprints, photographs, descriptions, criminal records
and other information were then distributed to all officers.
(03:37):
Anything that we had on the cases were being distributed.
Agents followed the trail through many States and into
various haunts of the Barrow Gang, particularly 'cause I
could talk, particularly Louisiana.
That's my kryptonite word there's.
So many words and. I'm like, OK, I really tried to
(04:00):
get the pronunciations down as well for some of these places.
And so that is the one thing I think it was like reading
Louisiana before I got even to particular.
So it was like particular woke was Reaver.
And as a side note, I've had to mute myself most of this time
because my stomach is making so much noise.
(04:23):
Oh, no, no. Are you so at one point?
So at one point the Patreon people, you probably saw me
just, like, laugh. For no reason.
Completely out of context, but Iwas muted it sounds.
Like there's a fucking frog in my stomach.
I keep hiccuping it's. Just so funny you.
(04:47):
Know. Didn't say.
That I had a snack. That's the problem.
In between the break I had some French fries and now my.
Stomach is, which is funny. Because of the episode.
We're going to do it a little bit on worst ways to die in the
Boroque era. It's going to be a SO.
Exciting, yeah. So.
Anyways, Patreon, sorry about myface.
(05:11):
Also, sorry about my first. That reminds me of where we
recorded Rasputin. And I'm like, I'm the one doing
the talking and it, it's just, I'm like trying to talk over it,
like trying to like suck in my stomach.
And it was. Just like these are.
(05:31):
The realities of podcasting it's.
The real. Oh, sorry, I just had to put
that out there. No, that's OK.
Now I know. And now I'm going to not giggle
at you. And also.
So particularly we're there, therecord goes on to say, and this
is when they start really mentioning Henry Methvin because
(05:54):
he was associated in the last times of their time in the
criminal world. Henry, of course, was associated
with the Methvin family of Louisiana and they were already
in the light of the FBA eyes attention.
Let's just say they're, they dida lot of stuff too.
(06:17):
And they were kind of the reasonwhy things went down for Bonnie
and Clyde initially. Just how it LED up to that.
They, the FBI agents, it goes onto say they found that Bonnie
and Clyde had been driving a stolen car in New Orleans.
And so this is when things really started to go down.
(06:38):
The chase was on. On April 13th, 1934, an FBI
agent obtained information that placed Bonnie and Clyde in a
remote section southwest of thatcommunity and the Methvens home
was not that far away and the agents learned of visits there
by Bonnie and Clyde. Special agents in Texas had
(07:01):
learned that Clyde and Bonnie had been traveling from Texas to
Louisiana, sometimes accompaniedby Henry Methven.
Henry Methven had his own thingsgoing on.
It should also be noted at this time that they were being hunted
down by a Texas Ranger, and that's saying some.
They don't fuck around either. No, they make Chuck Norris look
(07:26):
like a Disney movie in real life.
Just so you know, he may have been Walker, Texas Ranger, but
oh man, yeah, let's just say they don't fuck around.
So the FBI and local law enforcement authorities in
Louisiana and Texas concentratedon apprehending Bonnie and Clyde
(07:46):
even more so now they have more forces on this case.
It was learned that Bonnie and Clyde, with some of the meth
fans, had staged a party at Black Lake, Louisiana on the
night of May 21st, 1934, and we're due to return to the area
two days later. If they won't have returned,
(08:09):
they may have gotten away with more shit.
The last record from the FBI account on this particular side
of their rapport was quote. Before dawn on May 23rd, 1934,
police officers from Louisiana and Texas concealed themselves
(08:34):
in bushes along the highway nearSells, Louisiana.
In the early daylight, Bonnie and Clyde appeared in an
automobile and when they attempted to drive away, the
officers opened fire. Bonnie and Clyde were killed
instantly. At the time they were killed,
Bonnie and Clyde were believed to have committed 13 murders and
(08:58):
several robberies and burglaries.
Clyde was suspected for murdering 2 police officers at
Joplin, MO. He was also suspected of
kidnapping a man and a woman in a rural Louisiana area.
He released them near Waldo, Texas.
Numerous sightings linked this pair to bank robberies and
(09:18):
automobile thefts. Clyde allegedly murdered a man
in Hillsboro, TX, committing robberies in Lufkin and Dallas,
TX, murdered one sheriff and wounded another at Stringtown,
Oklahoma, Kidnapped a deputy at Carlsbad, NM.
Stolen automobile at Victoria, TX.
(09:39):
Attempted to murder a deputy at Wharton, TX.
Committed murder and a robbery at Abilene and Sherman, TX,
Committed murder at Dallas, TX. Abducted a sheriff in the Chief
of police at Wellington, Texas and committed murder at Joplin
and Columbia, MO End of report. End Quote.
(10:07):
Oh, I can take a breath. They had a rap sheet.
Oh, definitely. Nobody was losing their job in
the filing department at the FBI.
Yeah, they were busy. Bonnie and Clyde lived a very
fast life and they met their endjust as quickly.
(10:28):
In the documentary that was put on by the American Experience
about Bonnie and Clyde at the end, they stated for over 2
years the country had been transfixed by their illicit
romance and violent crime spree that left a trail of dead bodies
in its wake. Though their exploits were
romanticized, Bonnie and Clyde and their Barrow Gang were
(10:51):
believed responsible for at least 13 murders and numerous
robberies and kidnappings. And while there were just a
small time criminals compared tovery well known gangsters who
were the centerpieces of the J Edgar Hoover's Most Wanted list,
they held the attention of many Americans.
(11:14):
End Quote. Yeah, they left quite the legacy
behind them. They left a very lasting
impression on a lot of people. Their fame would grow outside of
America after the 30s, but they remain a very big staple in
American history. So we are going to talk now
(11:37):
about macabre morsels, which I tried keeping the content as
report like as possible because this shit is crazy.
If you guys are like, why didn'tyou tell us what happened to him
at East him, I'm going to tell you now and just trigger warning
(12:01):
here, OK? It's quite graphic.
Clyde drove without his shoes on.
Most the time he just drove in his socks and that's because one
of his big toes and another toe were cut off at Easton.
He reported it as an accident while he was working in the
(12:22):
labor fields. But remember I told you he had
asked one of his friends. He had made one of the other
inmates do it so he could get out of the hard labor.
He would walk with a limp the rest of his life because
obviously there wasn't a lot of nice tools to use to do a clean
cut. He knew that if he did this, he
(12:45):
would get out of a lot of the work, and he didn't know that
his mom had already got in a parole release for him.
And literally 2 days after he had the inmate do that to his
foot, he got out. Yeah, that's how desperate he
was. That's how bad of a place Easton
was. I couldn't find how the inmate
(13:07):
had done it. I don't know if we really want
to go with it. Yeah, I think we could.
Probably use our imaginations. And.
It's. I'm sure it was.
Awful. Uh huh.
Especially after walking with a limp the rest of your life.
You know that's not even there. There's some weird scar tissue
and stuff going on for sure. So him and Bonnie would
(13:29):
eventually be limping together on their escapades and that
didn't slow him down. They just, they kept going.
Another morsel for you. As we know, Bonnie wrote poetry,
and that stemmed back from her school days actually, as she
continued to write the rest of her life, Little segments,
letters, poetry, it was fueled by movies and books and
(13:51):
magazines that she loved to see and read.
She was a dreamer for sure, and she wanted her life to be like
the movies so much that while she was working as a waitress at
Hargreaves, she actually paid for glamour shots.
You can find them, I believe in one of the FBI archives.
You can find them, but they are you can find them online.
(14:14):
That she was gorgeous. She had sent these headshots to
Hollywood along with some letters requesting work and they
were of course never returned toher.
But that she had always wanted to be an actress.
Bonnie. Also something else to note, she
died with her wedding ring on her finger.
(14:35):
That wedding ring wasn't from Clyde, that was from Roy
Thornton. They never were divorced.
She just kind of ignored him. Like she it was clear that she
still thought about him, but they were only ever separated
and that ring always stayed on her finger so.
That's interesting. Which I don't know why because
(14:56):
it seems like her and Clyde had a very strong connection, like
more than her and Roy ever did. But I don't know going into the
stealing aspect, they never stole more than $1500 at a time.
That was the biggest amount theyever did.
So it's. Not like their one big school
(15:18):
rest was just nickel and dime. Kind of.
Which is crazy, right? Yeah.
Especially look at John Dillinger and Al Capone and
stuff. And then you see Bonnie and
Clyde and it's, you know, so some logistics on that final
event. Their getaway car was shot more
than 130 times. FBI documents said that they
(15:43):
were both killed instantly basedon the impact and the reports
from the ones who were firing the shots and other interesting
facts. Speaking of tattoos, so Bonnie
had a tattoo, as we know, so didClyde.
He had a tattoo on his left arm that said USN because as a
teenager, Barrow tried enlistingin the US Navy, but he received
(16:08):
a medical rejection due to some lingering illnesses that he had
as a child. So he never did actually make it
in, but he wanted to. And so he had tattooed that
before he even got in. Imagine how different his life
would have been. Right.
Oh exactly, if he would have gotten in, would he have just
(16:31):
gone on to live that sort of life?
And would eventually would Bonnie have eventually become
part of Hollywood? Makes you wonder.
Parallel universe. Imagine what?
That would be like. Yeah.
One of the crimes that Clyde committed with his brother Buck
was stealing a truck that was loaded full of turkeys.
I thought that was really fun. Bonnie and Clyde robbed more mom
(16:55):
and pop shops than they did Banks Oregon bigger businesses,
which makes sense with the amounts that they stole, but
that's something to keep in mind.
A lot of people think that it was just one bank after the
other and that's just not the case.
This fact I'm about to tell you is very MC Cobb and we have seen
(17:15):
it before. But I did not know this about
this case because I didn't realize there was so many people
there. People tried to take things from
the final gruesome crime scene. Surprise surprise.
Some went to very extreme lengths to get souvenirs,
cutting pieces off of the duo asthe bullets were still hot.
(17:37):
So where are these people hiding?
Are they in the bushes with the policeman?
Like what the shit? Yeah.
One man tried cutting off 1 of Clyde's ears.
Oh my. God.
Another guy tried taking one of his fingers before a policeman
got involved. They weren't able to stop
everyone, though, and we don't know exactly everything that was
(17:59):
taken, but one account that we know for sure of somebody they
couldn't stop was a gentleman. What?
She's not a gentleman. We're just going to say a man
successfully cut some of Bonnie's hair off and part of
her dress that was blood stainedand got away with it.
Yeah. And it's so that's floating out
(18:20):
there somewhere. After the two were killed, the
vehicle, which would become known as the death car, toured
fairgrounds to show as an example for anti crime lectures.
And this is unfortunate. In some cases, both Bonnie and
Clyde's mothers toured with the death car in a sideshow as
(18:41):
attraction. I don't think that's very fair.
And I can't imagine how difficult that would have been
because it's that was your childthat was killed.
And like, obviously, there was alot of conflict at home about
what they were doing, but it wasobvious that both of their moms
(19:03):
were very torn up, that this is the life that they chose.
And so I can't imagine just adding insult to injury with.
I can't imagine that. I don't think that was very
right. The car, if you're wondering, is
now located at a casino called Whiskey Pete's Resort, which is
located near Las Vegas. You can still go visit it.
(19:25):
Yeah. It's traveled throughout the
years, But this is where it's resting now, which is very
interesting. There's a lot of replica cars
that go around to different fairs like Angel and Brenda were
AT, and they had mentioned that in Louisiana they do that every
year. There's a bunch of replica cars
throughout the United States. Bonnie and Clyde are not buried
(19:48):
together, as we had mentioned before, despite their wishes.
Some of their relatives went to quite great lengths to get them
buried together. We do have an update.
On this, I did some digging. The last update we have is from
January of last year in 2024. Both Raya and Buddy, the niece
(20:12):
and nephew, Bonnie and Clyde, we're trying to make this
happen. There is a fund page out for
this and there's an organizationin place that they're trying to
get Bonnie moved. There are no other updates.
It apparently was being looked into and upon approval or close
to approval, so we'll see what happens in the next few years.
(20:33):
But currently they are still buried in separate cemeteries, 9
miles apart from each other. Bonnie's niece, Raya Lee Linder,
and Clyde's nephew, Buddy Barrow, still try to keep their
stories and history alive. And like Angel and Brenda said,
they do travel around the country.
They do interviews, they've written books, they've done
(20:54):
documentaries. They try to keep the story
straight because there's a lot of legend and rumor out there
about Bonnie and Clyde that aren't true.
One of those being that Bonnie was actually pregnant and had
Clyde's child. That is not true.
So that's just one easy rumor toget off of the plate right now.
(21:15):
There's a lot of things that have been said about them over
the years that just aren't true,so the two of them are doing a
great job by spreading the truthand keeping those stories
straight. For history's reasons, Bonnie
and Clyde still influence American culture today with
references and TV shows, music, movies, just to name a few.
(21:36):
The most recent movie involving Bonnie and Clyde came out in
2019 called The Highwaymen, starring Kevin Costner, Woody
Harrelson, and Kathy Bates. Have you seen it?
I have. Is it good?
Yeah, it's really good. It's on my list now.
I think I need to watch it afterthis.
(21:56):
Yeah. What a life.
Short, fast craziness. Now that we've come to the end
of the episode, I want to get your thoughts on this.
Because Bonnie and Clyde were sensationalized, for sure.
They gained a big picture. They were kind of people just
(22:19):
assume that they were robbing a bunch of big banks for big
amounts of money. And it's just it's simply not
the case. A lot of people discuss the fact
that, you know, first of all, that was almost 100 years ago.
And we kind of are seeing some reflection in our current times
(22:42):
with how the economy seems to begoing.
But I think, you know, especially nowadays, we can
maybe see why people were turning to this back at that
time and why it did become so sensationalized.
So I wanted to get your thoughtson it.
Do you think that this lifestylefor them was kind of birthed out
(23:07):
of what they thought was necessity?
100%, yeah. Especially since I mean, look at
Bonnie like she was a dreamer. She wanted to get to Hollywood
to be an actress. But you got to have money to do
that. Yeah, she got famous in a
different way for. Sure.
Definitely outliving a lot of the big name actors and
actresses at the time in Hollywood for sure.
(23:30):
People were doing a lot of desperate things at that time.
And, you know, like you said, wecould have an entirely separate
episode on that. I mean, people were selling
their own. Kids.
Yes. Oh yeah.
So a lot of desperate things just to.
Try to survive. And the fact that they were
hitting the. Mom and pop shops.
(23:51):
You know, and sadly, like peopledid lose their lives because
they. Felt like they.
Were forced. To make those decisions
unfortunately, but by them not going for the big banks and
stuff, it makes you look at things a.
Little bit differently like. They were trying to do what they
could to survive with the least amount of impact.
(24:12):
Didn't go that way, but. Right.
Yeah. And I mean, you can totally see
that in the reports and how it just escalated because they
definitely were not. I mean, some gangsters at that
time were out to kill, like theywere more cold blooded.
But you could tell that wasn't the case for Bonnie and Clyde.
You know, some of the Barrow Gang was definitely out there
(24:36):
for more of the crazy stuff, butyou could tell that it was just
to get by and it wasn't anythingto try to hurt people
physically. So yeah, they're definitely a,
they kind of stand alone in their own category in my
opinion, in that sense. And of course, like I agree with
(24:56):
Angel in her message in the beginning, it does not justify
the crimes. Obviously we don't condone that
on the show at all. Robbery, stealing or any other
crimes, murder, etcetera. We don't condone that on the
show. But I think it's easy to just
see why their lives led to wherethey did.
And then Clyde being so influenced by Buck, Yeah, You
(25:19):
know, Buck was doing that since Clyde was just a tiny little
tot, you know? Yeah, and if he saw him doing
something different. Yep.
That wouldn't have maybe even entered his mind.
You know, he wanted to be a musician.
Yeah. And it's imagine where that
could have gone. Or, you know, Bonnie.
Wanted to be an actress, you want to be a musician.
(25:39):
It's fun, it's interesting. I didn't know that about them.
Yeah, I know. I thought that was so cool
because, yeah, maybe she would have been in Hollywood.
Maybe he would have been in Louisiana.
It's just like a very weird thing.
And, you know, they're they bothcame from Texas in some smaller
towns. They weren't necessarily that
(25:59):
far away from each other. They were about the same age.
And so it's just it's crazy how things happen, for sure.
Yeah. But sirs, what do you think?
That's the debate for you. Let us know and all of the ways
that you can reach us. Let us know what you think.
Do you think that they were kindof doing it for the fun of it,
(26:23):
or do you think that part of it was because of necessity and
that they were so young, they wanted something different out
of life? And yeah, Angel, Brenda, great
freaking topic choice. Thank you to the fam for voting
this as the You Pick episode. We really appreciate it.
(26:46):
Angel had brought up a good point in the beginning to that,
you know, not all stories are black and white.
And it's really interesting to dig into what we do on the show
'cause we get to see things froma different standpoint.
And I know that, you know, we'renot at the technical end of the
season yet, but just in the timethat we've been doing the show,
(27:08):
I've learned so much from the things that we've talked about.
It is insane. I mean, we think that things
were better back in the day or things were different.
They weren't different. They just have a different face.
They're the same thing. And it's a very interesting
(27:28):
journey that we've been on for sure.
So with that, listeners, thank you so much for coming to hang
with us today. We really appreciate it.
We freaking love you guys. Again, a very big thank you to
Angel, those resources. Thank you.
You freaking rock. Brenda, you too.
It's good to see you guys over there on the Facebook group.
(27:51):
Thank you for sending your pictures in from visiting the
fairgrounds where you got to witness the reenactment.
Those were really freaking cool.And all of the artifacts and the
things that you've seen in Louisiana for the fair, it was
phenomenal. We really appreciated that.
Thanks for sharing that with us.And we can't ever tell you
enough how much we are appreciative of all of you.
(28:14):
So thank you so much and let us know what you think.
But hey, we're just around the corner for Season 3.
We're almost there. But that doesn't mean that you
can't still submit topics that you would like to hear about
because we're amping up. All right?
(28:36):
So keep it coming just because the why is for you.
Pick episodes done. Doesn't mean we're going to stop
taking recommendations, so keep them coming.
They've been excellent. I've been keeping tabs.
OK, might not seem like it, but I am.
I'm writing shit down. All right, so stay tuned.
And as always, have fun, be safe, be kind, and we will shock
(29:01):
you later. Ah boy.
(29:38):
None, just already.
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