Maker That Money S2 Ep2: The New Maker Economy

Today we're going to discuss various sites that have popped up in the past years that allow designers to sell their prints or form clubs / subscription models for gaining access to prints. Sites like Cults3D, Thangs, MyMiniFactory, Prusa Clubs, and more have created new opportunities for artists, makers, and creators to make money online. Lets dig in.

Two small business owners who got their start as makers share their experiences and unsolicited opinions a few years into their adventures.

Andrew Mayhall, Founder & Owner of 3D Gloop: @3dgloop Alan Puccinelli, Founder & Owner of Repkord: @Repkord ​

Episode Transcript

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here we go
hello everyone welcome back to the maker
that money podcast the podcast where we
talk about turning your hobby into your
Joby I am Pooch of repcord with me as
always my trusty partner in crime Mr
Andrew May Hall of 3D gloop Mr gloop how

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are you today
doing great how are you I am fantastic
man I'm geared up we're in season two we
just created an arbitrary season break
point uh for the the second season of
content I think I think it seemed like a
reasonable we have our summer break
right we're like a school we take a
school break and then we come back in

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but
um seemed like a good place to to
delineate a little little break
uh welcome if you're joining us in the
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um what is it Friday every Friday at 9

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00 a.m Pacific
don't even know what day it is spoken
like a true entrepreneur right like
don't even know what day it is didn't
even realize it was a 3D holiday weekend
last weekend uh you know we got all the
all the great things going on uh because
every day is work day when uh yeah you
do what we do right
yeah a couple shout outs to some

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familiar faces in the chat we got uh
Courtney filament stories good to see
you Alex Gibson from across the pond my
friend always a pleasure Miss Pez Liz
the the Queen the everything of uh maker
deck uh or what one of one of them but
uh the driving force uh good to see you
and some new faces uh maybe oh look at

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this photos in the house I'm really glad
you're here fotus because we we honestly
if I was a little bit more organized I
would have said hey hop on because this
is your jam right talking about this
stuff so today on the Pod we're gonna
talk about the new maker economy uh and
specifically some of the uh new uh

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websites and places and marketplaces
where
um designers and creators and uh you
know anybody with good ideas can
basically post and share designs and get
paid for that
um and uh
I think we both have
we have limited experience like in terms
of sponsoring other people I'm kind of
dabbling in the the printables club

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stuff
um you know just trying to to see what
kind of additional value and uh I can
unlock with some of the some of our
design stuff and I I can see where the
addiction of of doing it lies because
it's it's just so it's so out there it's
so raw uh you you have an idea in your
head you model it up you put it out

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there and and then people want to
support what you they like it enough
that they pay their heart in so I've
talked about this before
in product world you know that's one of
the rewarding dopamine hits of being an
entrepreneur when you get validation
from
taking an idea of bringing it to Market
um and this is a this is like an even

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faster way in a lot of times right it's
more raw way you're you're you might not
be able to unlock as much margin but
we're gonna get into that uh because
you're you're just kind of putting the
idea and putting all the work of like
the creation out there so in the world
of things like 3D printing that that's
relatively easy uh in the sense that you

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you can just send it to your printer and
and have it made it's not it's not quite
as uh complicated as like if you were to
share like woodworking plans for making
uh some larger project where you know
there's fewer people that are going to
have the equipment and want to put in
the time and all that stuff so
in a lot of ways the tool has unlocked
the marketplace in a different way which

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is really cool but
we will get to that right right that's
that's the terrible teaser that I just
put up there
um before we do that we got to do our
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consume your content
um I'm sure there's more stuff I'm
forgetting but uh that's it uh for the
calls to action let's do our wins for
the week but before actually before we
do wins for the week
I wanna I wanna take a a quick little
poll of people uh in the in the chat and

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you as well my friend okay Andrew
how many people show of hands made their
bed this morning who made their bed this
morning
[Laughter]
I really do
you know it hasn't been but I've been
trying to do better at uh at doing that
sort of stuff so there's a and you

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somebody in the chat or maybe you know
Andrew uh correct me I don't remember
who the author is I want to say it's an
ex-military guy but he had like a very
um a book around the whole thing about
you know being organized and and setting
your Trend setting your state for the
day right make your bet start by making
your bed so you've achieved something
right out of bed right like as soon as

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you get up
um I I've always liked the way that that
sounds and I'm like you where it's like
I would say 90 of the time at this point
I like I get up and I make my bed I mean
it's fairly I'm not I'm not a toss and
Turner and sleeper so it's just like
great pull the sheets over tighten
everything up it's it takes less than
yeah

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um
but uh I'm curious what if that
resonates with you people uh out there
in chat land uh in terms of like does it
make you feel like you've achieved
something like is this just something
that we that we say uh uh and it sounds
good I don't know I I feel good at least

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the room looks nice when I when I leave
it I mean
I don't know for for me I always just
like you know I'm just gonna get back
into it later and just ruin it so for
the longest time you know it's just like
it doesn't matter it's a terrible
argument though by that measure like why
bother brushing your teeth either
because you're just gonna eat again
later I mean yeah uh yeah you know

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there's like some some personal
organizational hygiene uh I think that
that's probably worth doing and I like I
see I see the merits of both ways right
like usually you're in your room like
when you're asleep I don't spend a lot
of time in my bedroom really so yeah
it's like who is this for you know I
make the bed and then I don't go back in
there until I get back in bed later at

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night so it does seem particularly
ridiculous I mean generally yeah yeah
yes thank you David Tobin it was Admiral
mcraven's uh comment it was a
commencement speech thank you that's
what the thing was so uh uh there we go
nope Winslow didn't make his bed when it
was late uh that's that's 20 push-ups
for you Winslow let's go we'll wait for

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being late uh Andrew sink good to see
him he says he makes his bed every
morning it's so weird to think that
there's people that don't I mean routine
is interesting that way right
I don't know I think there's value in
good organizational routine
um
try it you know like it's it's so it's I
and I think that's the point it's it's

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so easy to do if it's just a small
change if it's an achievable change you
know what are the other like things in
your life whether it's personal or work
life that you could probably stand to
just like have a better routine better
habits around
um oh man I know we talked we've talked
about like the finances like you're very

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big at making sure you look at the bank
account every day and and just have a
good you know finger on the pulse of
what's happening there
um I historically have not been great at
that because I derive a lot of anxiety
uh sometimes from just like ah what's
this where I feel like I should be or
the state of our sure you know cash or

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whatever and so
um I know that it's not healthy and it's
not great to avoid those things but um
your point is well taken it's it's it's
uh
it's good practice Yeah uh let's see
let's see photos says uh make his bed or
shave nope never again neither not doing
either well to be fair photos your beard

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is like you know the bed for your face
and uh and so I gotta gotta at least
keep that tidy I would hope
um all right shall we uh uh let's talk
about some wins for the week so if
you're new to the podcast uh we are a
positive Duo here we like to focus on
the good things that are happening in

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life all of the Good Vibes and we're all
we're all good vibes all the time 100 of
the time we're super positive uh never
ever uh negative or down
lies there's so many lies
um
so if you're in the chat share something
good that happened uh either in your
work life your business your personal

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life uh and Andrew's gonna uh
regardless with a tale of positivity
right now from his world go yeah
um all right well uh let's see we just
got in some uh you know some new dies
for uh our thermal forming vacuum
forming

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um yeah we dropped a pretty penny on
some professionally made uh thermal
forming dies so that we can uh increase
production capacity of our retail
packaging so love that yeah yeah it's
it's amazing it's amazing the things
that we like geek out on in terms of
like which is like it seems so trivial

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or just not even paid attention to by
the general public like the packaging
right like that that is that is a that
is a very rewarding personal uh aspect
of your business oftentimes to um uh to
to get a more professional you know
appearance it's like are you know making
our products well dressed exactly so
that's that's awesome man that's great I

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mean yeah these things are you know it's
a simple little change we we went from
you know cut MDF forms to you know cnc'd
aluminum forms but uh that's the thing
um yeah that gets the cycle time down so
you know it's really about you know
pushing it to the next level of increase
in capacity so yeah lots of lots of cool

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things in the pipeline that's uh that's
awesome I'm gonna take for my win
um so my good friend uh Josh Manley uh
and and Jake who I've I know through
through him over at CAD class uh they
just dropped a an amazingly good book on
uh Fusion 360. uh if you're trying to

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learn Cad and you're into the fusion
ecosystem highly highly recommend and
they of course supplement with an
incredible amount of online content as
well and they're doing some really epic
shorts content as well which is great
but they just uh gave me a copy of their
book and I have been
very very much enjoying like

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spending time just learning proper
technique for create so I'm self-taught
with so many things in my life and I
think maybe this is relatable a lot of
people like that right like we we kind
of learn enough to be dangerous but a
lot of times we just like skip over a
lot of fundamentals and man am I
realizing uh that I that I skipped over

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a lot of like fundamentals I'm like I've
been designing infusion for like the
better part of two something years and
like I just skipped over it's like
learning to speak a language and never
knowing how to write sometimes you know
like you don't know how to write the
language but you can communicate so you
can be effective but man can you be way
more effective when you have like some

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fundamental understanding of of it and
so it's interesting kind of going
backwards now and going through that and
so
this is a really tough thing and
something I'm curious what your guys
feedback is when when
we're when time is so precious and we're
operating with limited amounts of it you

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know we don't always have the time to
like take a an in-depth course on
something right like we we try to get
just enough to like get what we need
done but then we've talked about this in
the past we take on I guess some degree
of technical debt around the fact that
because we never really learned it we
don't even realize how inefficient we're

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being until we go back and actually
maybe commit to learning it properly so
what's something in your life uh chat
that that you feel like you might have
skipped over and you went back and
you're like man I should have invested
the time to learn that properly like the
amount of hours that I would have saved
you know and in in the world of CAD

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modeling and stuff like that the amount
of like extra clicking and uh you know
all this stuff I mean that adds up
um it does
uh I I I remember talking to like
um an electrician that was wiring one of
my old houses and stuff and he was
saying he used to work for uh another
electrician when he was doing his

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apprenticeship who was neurotic about
like minimizing the amount of movement
you know he would tell each of his
employees like you know the time is
money and that when you look at the
aggregate amount of hours that we spend
over years and stuff like that and
you're like zipping from you know this
room to this you don't like have a plan
to what you're doing you haven't mapped

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it out like yep we're spending a lot
more time than we need to be uh and yeah
when he was when they flat bid something
like that's that's your that's your
margin right for a service industry like
that so as an employee that sucks to
have somebody standing over here like
why did you go from here to there to
there yeah but that I can understand the

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point that when when there's no plan
there's no efficiency to the whole thing
like that that
technical debt that adds up
substantially over over the years it's
uh it's interesting
uh anything anything like that in your
world where you feel like
um you know you've deferred some
education perhaps

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I mean you know I mean I'll go and say
like I dropped out of school to go and
pursue you know my dream of founding a
you know a startup company and you know
raising money and everything else and
there are a lot of things to be said for
again going back and kind of committing

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to learning or understanding things that
you don't fully know there's this this
uh this process that happens that you
know a lot of people especially makers I
think we you know we get we get enough
understanding to become confident or
proficient in something that we're doing
and then we never go back to rethink if

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there's another way to do this or if
there's a better way to do it sure and
then in some cases I see this a lot and
you know with maker types is that we
become so confident in our abilities
that you know we're basically you know
completely ignoring like the the full
understanding we actually don't have
that full understanding right um and
it's it's it's limiting

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um you know so taking that time to go
back and and rethink a lot is is crucial
I think I I agree I agree and it reminds
me of the distinction between something
like a you know Street smarts versus
book smarts right where it's like you
can be very successful without having a
formal education and and sure anything
uh I've mentioned in the past I was a

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freelance web developer but prior to
this and I was self-taught with that as
well and constantly coming across stuff
you know over time you start to pick up
by sometimes by osmosis by working on
teams with other people learning other
people's practices going back and
actually spending time to to research
it's not an efficient way to do it but
it's the trial by fire method you know

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um but you brought up something that
reminds me of maybe the plight of a
professional athlete you know when when
somebody is is good enough at something
where they they can play at a at a top
tier level
um and then they you know they don't
drop out of school but they don't go on
to you know the traditional path of you
know they go from high school maybe to

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professional sports and then you
realize when you've come to your end of
your time there like you've missed out
potentially on some poor stuff maybe I
mean I I don't know just some some
thoughts so it's there's no right or
wrong way necessarily yeah but uh oh no
absolutely I I mean I think I think it's
it's all about uh for for us makers in a

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lot of cases we we all need to take the
time to rethink a lot of things that
we're doing because you know we are so
accustomed to you know maybe we only
have a 3D printer or a laser cutter and
then we start using that tool for you
know whatever it is that we think
because it can solve all of these
problems but in many cases if we sit
back like you know and just rethink

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could we do this in a different way we
could do this on all aspects of our our
life you know with your case it's like
hey I want to learn Fusion a little bit
better I want to rethink of how I'm
doing things become more efficient at it
yeah um you know and whatever it might
be I mean it's so tough because time is
The X Factor and all of that and at the
end of the day it's like I don't have a

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lot of time that I can just devote to
learning even though I realize that that
can come back so it's like figuring out
that equation of like what is time well
spent right something like that I can
I'm starting to see I'm like the payoff
is if I put this time in now I'm gonna
get these hours back on the back end and
then some so I do think stopping and

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identifying those times in some
scenarios and just you know doing that
exercise is valuable let's uh let's see
let's share some wins uh from the chat
here we got some good ones uh Brandon
Brandon Langdon said he landed a a big
contract
uh uh for something like Titan I I
scrolled too far looks like titanium

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manufacturing titanium manufacturing man
we're just playing here in polymer land
and you know Brandon Landon next next
level fusing the metal bits uh that's
fantastic congrats on that uh Alex
Gibson big wins fixed upgraded all of
his large format printers within
improved cable chains and restored a

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disgusting shed fine creality cr-10 back
to a new machine fantastic congrats on
that
uh narca 3D got narka trademarked so
mihao is now narca 3D congrats uh I just
went through a trademark process myself
there's it's something nice getting that

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little official trademark and and
there's value in in having your
um brand registered that way that's
fantastic
um good Vishal good to see you man lots
of good wins oh Liz win for the week
replacing zombie Hedgehog with pooch as
special guest for znz Almighty yes
that's true I will be with Liz I don't

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know that I could possibly replace
uh uh zombie Hedgehog but I will do my
best uh and of course it'll be he'd be
missed but I'll I'll come with my best
zombie
Hedgehog impersonation nice I don't what
does a hedgehog even do
don't know I don't know don't care

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uh all right that was a that was a long
way around from the win but uh I hope
you guys uh
in conclusion to that I hope you guys
spend a little bit of time thinking
about ways that maybe you can earn some
time back
and investing in yourself like that and
I think education is always a good one
uh CAD skills is never a bad thing I am

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very encouraging of my kids to do it
because I think there are a lot of
industries that benefit from having CAD
design skills whether you want to do
what photos does and you're a artist and
it's a digital sculpting uh technique if
you're into gaming if you're into
architecture if you're into product
design I mean the application for taking

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uh files and turn making making digital
files and the three 3D World I'm not
speaking very well right now
uh creating 3D content for all kinds of
different industry is is
booming in my opinion I think that's I
think that's education well spent I

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don't know if you disagree let me know
and you will
tuck my shirt into my pants how can you
I'm not wearing pants Liz are you
talking to me
the benefits of waist up podcasting yes
um let's talk about the maker economy

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this kind of all dovetails in nicely so
we talk about building skills uh in ways
we talk about ways to make money as a
maker yeah sure this podcast it's what
we do
we are both product people historically
um but as we well know there are many
many ways as a maker to squeeze those

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dollars out of other you know ventures
in this space you you may be a content
creator uh there are a lot of successful
content creators that we are friends
with that uh talk about uh 3D printing
and other forms of making and uh get
sponsorships and go to events and build
their personal brand

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um which is fantastic that's a that's a
great way to do it
um obviously designing a product a lot
of people start as a side hustle right
so we see a lot of people always
starting up Etsy shops
whatever you do
I would argue that finding something
that's unique to you that that obviously

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you're not coming in if you have a niche
space if you have something you're
passionate about we talk about that all
of the time
that's great
um
these websites that I I mentioned in the
teaser Cults 3D my mini Factory
uh principles clubs uh what other ones
Gum Road

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you know Etc more and more things more
and more popping up uh every every day
uh
uh first of all tell me in the chat if
you have one of those maybe a patreon a
lot of a lot of people got their story
right
um and I think we're seeing some new

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spaces pop up specifically for Matrix
because patreon is an all-encompassing
like
uh subscribe to what I do in general it
can be anything not specific to Makers
right uh it can fund the creation of
music and podcasts and you know other
things it's a an interesting space I
don't know that I would call it

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it's not Kickstarter it's not Angel
Investing it's what do you call it
monthly subscription or supporting
somebody's Venture it's just a
subscription support service basically
that's the way they call it what do they
call it anyway let me know in the chat
if you utilize something like this

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um so where people are paying a monthly
subscribe uh subscription and you're
offering some service some value ad uh
and where where you are and maybe why
you chose it
um we as makers are are I think
interested uh because a lot of times the
a lot of the content that we see on
social media a lot of that we we print

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similar models or we make you know
similar designs and stuff and it's a
it's an interesting way uh to make some
money
um
I think like anything it seems uh
Maybe
I don't know correct me if if you
disagree Andrew but

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it reminds me of etsy in a certain way
where it's like oh this is great I'm
going to just take this I'm gonna create
a club and the money's gonna come in
profit boom done easy right and if the
realities of it is it's going to be a
grind like anything else right like you
you have to retain your membership you
get turnover of membership you have to
make sure you're constantly producing so

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that the value is there
um I don't know until maybe you hit a
critical mass of like content I don't
know that
does your portfolio have enough value to
stand on its own where you don't have to
be adding new stuff
um I would imagine over time as more
competition and stuff comes in if you're
not adding new stuff the same way

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creators have to create new content and
stuff like that you can't just rely on
the back catalog yes product developers
we can't necessarily always rely on the
same product it's that's that's a little
different because product life cycles
are sure you know obviously Coca-Cola
has been Coca-Cola for quite some time

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but over time they you know add on other
brands they're always adding brands or
flavors or whatever it might be yeah if
you want to grow you know and that and
then that fully depends on what your
goals are too
right uh so I don't know why don't you
start by giving me your first feels do
you support any of these individuals

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have you thought about like just putting
any of your content out there what do
you think I I so you know I've been
supporter of um several of those you
know friendlies I call them in uh you
know the the space that I know pretty
well
um you know on patreon or YouTube
memberships whatever it might be
um I think just recently I you know uh

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started looking at the the printables
clubs uh you know I'm a big supporter of
uh you know high quality 3D models um I
mean you know it's it it's a good way to
you know throw some dollars towards some
awesome people that are putting their
time the most valuable thing that we all
have is our time yeah into you know

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something that you know it it takes it's
an art
um you know and so rewarding those or
helping those people continuing to do
that uh you know is a it's a big it's a
big you know value for me I guess or you
know I guess a passion for me is to you
know see that happen
um I've never really participated in the
the patreon model myself like in the

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sense of oh hey I've got one and you
know like I've got designs or whatever
I've maybe thought about it in the past
uh but it's you know I'm not the type
who lives on social media
um you know I'm not posting all the time
I'm not you know sitting you know I I
don't really know if I would be a good
person to have you know a crowd of

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people
um you know that that I'm I'm being
consistent that publishing you know
content or whatever it is to them yeah
um but that's that's me personally yeah
yeah uh I I have to say when patreon
first came out I was skeptical but I
I've always
skeptical's not the right word I I
completely can appreciate the the value

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that that exists with this membership
model and how appealing it is for a lot
of people I coming from uh
the older ages of software and highly
resistant to just like additional
monthly uh expenses like I've always
said like I would rather just like kind

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of like a one-time donation of a
specific amount or whatever like I don't
like
feeling like
um part of the model is
me not remembering to cancel my
membership you know the old gym
membership model where it's like they're
just kind of banking on the fact that
it's uncomfortable or difficult enough
to to to

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not be a member anymore
yeah
um I think my view has shifted on that
um because for a couple different
reasons and again it depends on what the
service is what you're you're signing up
for a lot of times we don't have the
option for things you know internet is
always going to be a monthly expense

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there's no like you know Perpetual
license for uh for internet
um but when I when I bring up software I
think about the software world where
it's like you used to be able to buy a
Perpetual license for Photoshop or
whatever else and everything has moved
toward this monthly subscription and you
know whatever your opinion may be on the
merits or you know downsides of that

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um I don't know when I actually did the
math on my Adobe Master Suite thing it
was a wash you know I like I had the map
you know I and I held on way too long
with Creative Suite too I had paid you
know the one of the highest amounts of
money for for that Master Suite uh at
the time it was like Seventeen hundred
dollars retail or something for all of

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the software which I used
fifty percent off maybe
yeah and I held on to it for like 10
years I was still using like Creative
Suite 2 you know illustrator up until
like oh man two years ago uh
uh and when I did the math on like what
adobe's charging for subscription now it
was it was like the same if I'm just

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paying that monthly rate when I broke
that monthly cost down over time and I
missed out on all the new whizbank
features and all this stuff and support
and blah blah blah blah
um
so
in in the software world that's an
interesting thing because like it's a
Continuum continuous Improvement model
there's new features coming out and all

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that stuff
um sure yes things can reach like
product a level of maturity where it
doesn't need to change a whole lot and
so maybe you know Perpetual is more
compelling in that in that case but when
we talk about uh services like providing
models in in
um
in the maker world

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um I think where we've seen it most com
commonly is kind of in the artistic
realm sure yeah uh and I've seen people
selling like uh Bob I like to make stuff
uh we'll sell you know his plans for
um projects and stuff like that and
various platforms and and whatnot I
think there's I think there's a lot of
value in that as well but that's a kind

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of a different Beast than people that
are our uh 3D modelers like photos or uh
Cinder Wing 3D or toy maker 3D or any of
the big names out there Chelsea
um Chelsea and Garrett over a cast
quartet uh some prolific designers out
there that that have leveraged a lot of
these ecosystems to good effect

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um
but uh uh you know I I start I'm like
okay I'd be curious to know like
from coming from that end
um what is the turnover like like
does it I I feel like I hear a lot of
times like it can drag on people when
you feel like you're you're being forced
to have to like drop something new and

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and same thing with creators right
you're getting on this this firewall so
it's not getting on a treadmill that
you're getting on that trail yeah you
can't control the speed of and and you
feel the constant pressure for having to
perform for these individuals that are
giving you their hard-earned dollars and
you can very quickly see I'm sure when
you're not performing you start to see

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your memberships fall off right so it's
a yeah
yeah and pretty instant feedback kind of
thing it would I would think you know
what's what's interesting to me is is
that these these membership support
models
um you know have been wildly successful
because I think that they they played to
the emotions of the individuals

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um you know like for myself the reason
why I want to support someone is because
I think what they're doing is cool and I
want to see them continue to do said
work
um you know there was a there was a
gentleman uh that I actually just
donated a large sum uh you know one-time
donation to because he was developing a
you know a controller for some high-end
you know servos uh for industrial

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settings
because I could see a personal use for
that uh he's you know working on an open
source version of it and that that
project it was something that was
interesting me but because I know that
this was a side job or a side hustle for
him it was a way in which I can ensure
maybe for my own and selfish reasons
that it continues

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um you know so by supporting him moving
forward every single month I know that
I'm contributing to the development of
this thing uh you know and it's a way
that I could say hey I'm helping this
person become better at whatever it is
they're doing or producing something
that might eventually become a business
um you know whatever it might be
um you know so I think that that's one
of the big things is the driving force

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is that emotional peace yeah the
individuals that are supporting people
yeah so yeah uh in response to some
commentary uh from Grant I have Affinity
um and I use it uh for a number of
things I love it
um there's a lot we're lucky that we
have a lot more options now than

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uh than we used to but I also I've used
photop which is a great free web-based
option that I was learning with my kids
and is really really powerful lots of
lots of cool stuff out there photo says
you need to be consistent we we kind of
know that CAD class you're late we were
we were just shouting out uh you guys
how amazing uh your your book is and how

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much we appreciate you
uh K2 Kevin says he makes his bed but he
doesn't put on his pants yeah it doesn't
doesn't make sense I'm not consistent
I'm not embarrassed by that it's true
um
to go back to the to the topic at hand
the
thing I'm interested in is as a business

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so you talk about supporting individuals
and a lot of the content that's created
on these platforms uh that you support
are are very directly related and great
marketing potential resource great
collaborative resources for you as a
company especially as gloop is designed
to glue you know make make the a lot of

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these models and so there's been some
really great
um collaborations that you've done in
the past where you've taken some of
these epic models and used gloops to put
them together and I want to talk about
something that I think isn't focused on
as much as it could be in the marketing
of these platforms as a business to

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business venture right so when we talk
about
a business we think about where is the
money and a lot of times the money is in
working with other businesses and
sometimes even better money is there
than working with consumers so different
different set of expectations different
you know value propositions and all of
that stuff but you as a business see a

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lot of value in the Partnerships and and
utilizing you're not going to reinvent
the wheel and have to make all your own
models and stuff like that why would you
do that there's so many Town better
talented artists out there that can
provide things and you can help shine a
light on them and they can you know get
some value out I haven't seen their
stuff seen and and other people going to
download so it's a good win-win uh in my

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mind
uh on the business front I'm curious
like when you're coding your books when
you pay a monthly subscription for these
types of things yeah historically that I
don't know that that's been as
precedented as a legitimate business
expense even though it is how do you how
do you code something like that because

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it's like very clearly if I go buy
staples for the office like that is a
business expense you monthly paying for
something like these things isn't quite
the same I don't know what the account
it's interesting right I mean because we
actually had that question come up
um not too long ago because I was
actually going through getting taxes

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ready
um and uh we come we code them as
memberships because that's what they are
they're honest to God memberships uh to
a club
um now this specific piece is uh it
depends on how we leverage it but in
many cases we count them as marketing
memberships right because we are
supporting and offering dollars
marketing dollars essentially to uh you

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know these individuals
um you know that's that's basically how
we we code them internally I'm sure
there's different ways that you can code
them uh like this one-time donation that
I would speaking of that was just a
donation granted it's to a it's not like
a tax deductible donation right but in
this case it was an r d the reason why
is because we actually have intentions

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of using these open source pieces
internally for a project that we're
working on and so you know as long as we
can justify it and you know kind of back
it up as to what it is sure uh you know
then then you're good
um you know but you brought up a really
interesting point on like the business
side of things like you know so for for

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gloop you're absolutely right like some
of our best actual like you know
attraction for uh whatever it is that
we've been doing with our products or
just in general marketing has been
working with other content creators and
trying to to develop models or work on
you know a project or whatever that they
are releasing either exclusively or you

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know to their patreons and then they you
know say hey yeah this was sponsored by
gluc or whatever and there's you know
ways in which we support the the
individual creating those projects and
then also there's you know Kickback if
you know those convert into sales
through discount codes or whatever that
we can then continue supporting that

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um you know so these people that are
having these patreons or these Club
memberships you know I think they need
to start looking at how do they turn
this into a business and start working
on those deals with other companies
absolutely you know massive opportunity
there I think I think and so you know if
you're thinking about doing this you
know one of the fallacies that a lot of

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makers fall into we've talked about this
in the past is that we don't like to
sell I'm saying the global we
um I love to sell personally I'll sell
ketchup popsicles to the woman in white
gloves uh but
um
it's if you want to be successful if you
want to grow you need to Advocate

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especially when you're getting started
right you have to make a name for
yourself
thinking about how you're going to
maximize that visibility
um and collect collaborations that's why
they're so popular you know like I know
it's a running joke in the world of
content creation that you can't eat
exposure but there is value in exposure
and there needs to be it I you can't do

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all of one thing or another like I would
never want to do a deal that was just
like solely based on exposure I mean
people yeah people do do that as they're
getting the start you know like if yeah
if you have an opportunity to work with
a top tier YouTuber that's willing to
just like feature your brand and not
charge you for that stuff like that yeah
absolutely take take 100 exposure for
that yeah

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um but most of the times the people that
are offering that like don't really have
as much exposure as they would like to
make you think
um and so you know maybe supplement that
with a little bit of a cash deal or uh
maybe there's royalty I mean there's
probably all kinds of little
mechanisms that we haven't even thought
of yet in order of monetizing this but

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the B to B thing is interesting to me
because like I said there's a lot of
businesses out there that have marketing
dollars that have budgets allocated for
this thing
and are looking for interesting things
trade shows might be a fantastic thing
if you can think about like oh uh what
if I can design a model that you know
utilizes your brand that you can use as

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display uh like if you spend a little
time to research awareness of like where
um budgets are allocated in in large
businesses and you know companies that
are already looking to spend this money
and find ways to do that
um I think there's some really Creative
Solutions that are going to be more
potentially lucrative than trying to

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just get the consumer Market to sign up
for your called 3D or whatever it might
be
um that said I think it's like anything
uh there's multiple tools in the toolbox
and if your product is a digital asset
uh you're probably wanna get it

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everywhere that you could possibly get
visibility and as many people as like I
can't see a reason
and photos if you're still with me I
would love your opinion on this we
really missed the ball and we should
have had photos on here I've been too
sloppy in getting the guest stuff but we
will do that at another Point
um what are the merits if there are any

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in in an exclusivity deal of only having
certain content on certain platforms or
only focusing on a certain platform I
mean there's an administrative overhead
I have to imagine of like having to post
all of these things and do updates on
you know every day more of these sites
coming about and obviously the sites

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want to try to have unique content
because in this day and age content is
King right and so we see Netflix and
Apple TV start to produce content
because they want to have exclusive
content and things and printables clubs
and all these other things are no
exception to that I think there's value
in exclusivity especially at the top
tiers

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um but I want to hear on the Creator
side
you know when you're first getting
started are you just taking that shotgun
approach are you just blasting it all
out there trying to capture every dollar
you can and and is that maybe a fallacy
in the sense that you're creating a lot
more work for yourself even though you
think that you're getting it out there I
don't know what are your thoughts Andrew
well I mean as a as a business I hate

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exclusivity agreements unless there's
some very specific benefits
um and reasons as to why you're going to
engage in exclusivity
um so as a as an artist or as someone
who is participating in these things I
mean you know be very careful and weary
of those
um you know sometimes I I don't know if

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any of these platforms offer any
exclusivity
um you know but I could see where you
know I know for instance like twitch for
some of the high-end content creators
there are exclusivity agreements that
they can only use twitch for streaming
but generally speaking they always come
with a guaranteed sort of payout and
right you know some sort of you know

(43:53):
benefit for that
um now also you know when it comes to
you know like the marketing piece I mean
I think yeah if you have a membership
sort of business model
um you know you're an artist that is
surviving off of these memberships it
behooves you to have the most places so

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that you can have all of these other
memberships right because it's just you
know the number it's a numbers game the
more people that you know or maybe some
people are only on patreon maybe some
people are only on YouTube memberships
or printables or Cults or whatever it
might be yeah um on the subscribers I
mean it makes perfect sense because like
communities are just like there are
people that just have their favorite
things some people are on Twitter some

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people are on Instagram some people are
on Twitter and you you know if you can
create content that exists on all those
places like why wouldn't you right
because that's just another you know
tranche of of community to to
potentially leverage with your you know
stuff no photos is saying uh there
aren't any exclusivity benefits for him
platforms won't offer something about

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exclusivity is that in your opinion
photos is that because that that doesn't
really benefit them or just hasn't
really come about yet or or like Andrew
says is like maybe it's only offered to
like very select top here you know on a
private basis there's not public uh
which I because I have to imagine that

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there are some some backroom deals
happening with some place where there's
some exclusive content to you know it
seems like it would be in the interest
of the the content provider to
potentially want to Market that and and
give yeah I mean there's something to
Aspire to maybe like that that kind of
I could see as the specifically in the

(45:36):
3D printing marketplaces and uh the
membership areas I could see you know
we're in a time of innovation and there
are starting to be a lot of you know
competitors
um you know for the longest time you
know I only knew of you know Colts in my
mini Factory
um you know but before that you know it

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was like the online repository like
thingiverse was the thing that started
it all
um you know we all kind of remember
we all kind of see what happened with
thingiverse you know with the failed to
Innovation so I think now we see these
other players are coming to Market and
you know they're starting to specialize
like for from my understanding Colts and
my mini Factory are really now

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marketplaces for 3D models
um I don't know if they might have some
membership pieces to it but it's really
about having you know a designer that is
building a model and then selling that
model X number of times like you know
um like a piece of soft square or
whatever you go in you can buy it and
then you can you download it you know

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and then you can print it as many times
as you want
um you know typically personally I mean
we don't have to get into the whole
licensing piece
um you know because that's a whole other
thing
I could see as as these the you know
because now we have printables I think
bamboo lab also announced some sort of
marketplace or some sort of like

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Community
um you know that they're building I I
I'd be surprised if they weren't I'm not
I'm not up to speed on it but I'd be
surprised if they didn't given their
history and so I could see where these
places it might make some sense to get
some of the most prominent creators or
whatever and and lock them in so to

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speak so that they can differentiate
their platform versus another and I'm
telling you that's I I think that's
gonna happen probably in the pipeline
it's not without precedent like I said
if you look at the the traditional
content stream like I said the Netflix
the world like the large
delivery networks in the world of video

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you know they absolutely do that and
they recognize the value in being the
ones that have something that a reason
for people to to be on that platform
um
that said I don't know if that that
breaks down when
the expectations are just different you

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know like yeah but
I don't know because it's it's very a la
carte right now right like you're paying
for the specific content like if you
were to go to Netflix and only buy
access to House of Cards or you know
whatever shows you wanted I I don't know
what that would do I still think there's
there's value and exclusivity but at a

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specific quality tier
yeah
um and and uh I'll bet you we see more
of that I really do well you know what's
what's also interesting with uh you know
some of the things that I kind of love
but I also hate and I think some I've
heard from creators as well that there
are some interesting issues with the

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membership Styles
um you know if if for instance I want to
go and support a 3D modeler
um who has a patreon yeah I can
subscribe for a month and let's say they
have a back catalog of all of their
models
um and some some of them have this
Google Drive link that you'll get sent
um as a part of an automated thing when

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you join in that gives you access to all
of that and you know I can basically
support for whatever month at the
minimum tier to get that download all
their models and then next month I'm
done
um you know and I mean I'm sure that
that happens and I I know that that's
not really benefiting the artist maybe

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that's just kind of an acceptable you
know state of business where you just
have to accept that people there are
going to be some people that do that
um you know but you know there's this
weird balancing act that I think happens
between a traditional Marketplace and uh
subscription membership uh you know
because some of these these models like

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I mean I could see where I would be
willing to pay a couple bucks or 10 or
15 whatever it might be for a specific
model yeah um but I'm not really
interested in all of the other models
that this particular Creator does right
now you know I I mean
I I don't know it's it's an interesting
piece because I think as as we see like

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with printables for instance
um they don't have that sort of
functionality where you know when they
were talking about potentially
monetizing it
um you know was having the ability to
allow people to sell their models on
printables but now it came out as oh
well no it's going to be a club because
you know that way it's it's kind of
different in the sense that you're not

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having a paid model show up in a search
when you're only looking for free models
um or a segmentation things like behind
a paywall if that makes sense yeah no
certainly and and like I said there's a
million different ways to to go about it
and each little area kind of has its own
uh you know ways that they want to go

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about it
um I I remember having some
conversations a while back with uh
amiglas at uh prusa about principles he
was tasked with uh heading up you know
the development of the printables stuff
and when we got into the Weeds about the
mechanics of the administrative side of

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like how the payouts had to work with
the tax implications from there's all
these little things that we as the
public do not think about or see and and
it just seems ridiculous that it has to
be done a certain way but some of the
rationale behind that uh has to do with
um the financials uh sometimes and

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things that are just not inherently
obvious
um to us as consumers but um
you know there's
there's so much meat on this bone and or
I wanted to talk one of the things I
don't know have you seen the the new
things uh membership uh stuff that they

(51:51):
put up and I I've only looked at it I've
only looked at it a little bit I'm not
super familiar so that they're big on
creating some gamification and they've
got a leaderboard that's up there and
that that I I love I can appreciate the
Brilliance of that in the sense that it
gives the creators something to get
excited and to talk about and to
encourage hey I'm working my way up the

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leaderboard and then they post on social
media about it and it just shines a big
old light on it gamification is always a
it just yeah Vibes so well with human
nature right I mean there's a reason
that it is what it is and you know
printables did us uh an interesting
thing with you know the creation of the
prusimeters right where you creating uh
you know a currency of your own and

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that's got some motivating things that
you can turn it into you know real world
product and stuff like that which is
fantastic I think people love that kind
of stuff
um so I think we're gonna just see a lot
of development and a lot of competition
in this space because there's a lot of
companies out there that see value in

(52:55):
this kind of content for different
reasons uh we brought up things things
is a um they're based on like search but
they're funded by search companies like
I think Google is one of their uh
funders or or their time yeah they have
some interesting intellectual property
yeah you know and so in their system so
their reasoning for it may be a little

(53:16):
bit different than like print why
printables wants to build you know the
community uh uh you know uh and how how
it's monetized and and profitable for
the for the company and stuff and
those little things matter too because I
think that that tells part of the story
in terms of like what um who you're

(53:37):
hitching your cart to right yeah most
creators they're just trying to get paid
for their stuff and so you're probably
gonna make some concession in terms of
like I don't like the fact that they're
basically data mining my stuff to to you
know monetize it for search and stuff
like that but if it makes me a couple
bucks like that seems fair right though
the whole argument that you're probably

(53:58):
the product if you don't see exactly
where the the dollars are yeah yeah
um but uh I I don't know I think we're
going to continue to see the like you
said bamboo is motivated to create a
community as well because when you can
create an ecosystem that ties the entire

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process together from getting a model
getting it to the printer selling the
filament you know all of that
uh that's compelling this is a vertical
integration again
and and yeah I mean I think you you also
brought up a really interesting point
here is is how do these sites pay for
themselves storage is not free uh access

(54:40):
to internet's not free all of the
maintenance required the development
staff these things you know they cost
money
um you know and so like look at the look
at like a thingiverse where it was
predominantly free you you know it was
supported by ads or whatever where they
were selling your data
um I think it's interesting for you know

(55:01):
if you were to compare like you know the
Colts in my mini Factory and printables
like these these companies they all do
it a little differently right
um you know and kind of support the the
development and you know iterations of
their sites uh you know a little bit
different but again it's really
interesting to see a Marketplace versus

(55:24):
a subscription model versus um you know
uh like a completely free tier
um you know for designers because I know
that there are some designers that uh
that we actually work with
um you know shout out to uh uh to Steve
red Dad Steve like he's an amazing
designer and most of the stuff that he
does he posts it all for free yeah

(55:46):
um yeah because he doesn't really want
to make money off of that
um you know it's just it's a passion
thing for him well um and and photos has
feels on this too because when you're
when you're dealing in the world of fan
art and it's a question was like well I
you know sure and I I think it's easier
to and this is no shot at red Dusty

(56:06):
amazingly talented and all this stuff
but it'd be
particularly eyebrow raising to some
people if you were monetizing basically
like trademark design and all that stuff
and which isn't to say that I I think
that
there's value in what he has created and
done but it's not you're in a weird gray

(56:27):
area when it's not your IP exactly and
all that stuff and he has unique stuff
too so don't you know
yeah that's no shot at at any any
individual but I think the the legal you
know um Brandon talked about you know
platforms should also support IP
production and stuff like that there is
a slew of like

(56:49):
legal concerns and IP protection and
stuff like that that still has yet to be
probably fully fleshed out like what the
right moderation for those types of
things are and all of that yeah well you
know I mean I think it's just
interesting to you know kind of talk
about these things because as a as an
artist or a creator that you know may be

(57:10):
wanting to get into the space you know
there are a ton of options out there you
know you can choose from the a la carte
model where you have all of your designs
that you post you know publicly
um you know on a you know uh like an
online store like a Colts or my mini
Factory and you could also have you know
that same thing behind a membership area

(57:32):
where it's like well Hey listen if you
don't want to buy all of those a la
carte you come over to the you know the
members area and you'll get access to
them and maybe you'll get some other
exclusive benefits uh you know I know
that uh a lot of these like patreon
um comes with a Discord you know you
could join without the you know know
patreon thing but being a part of the
you know the patreon gets you maybe a

(57:53):
badge in the Discord server
um gets you into other areas there's a
lot of interesting ways that uh creators
can provide value yeah I've seen some
interesting combos too of people like it
gets you a little bit of access right
where it's like oh you have access to
the private chat like once a month we
get together if you want to talk and ask
me questions you know only members only
conversation I think that that's I think

(58:15):
that's great honestly I think that's a
great way to provide some value and uh
to those that appreciate that kind of
stuff
um I I know of a couple people that just
support various channels solely for for
that part of it right they don't care
about the models but they want to you
know have conversations or they're
they're an aspiring designer themselves
and like this is kind of a form of
mentorship so there's there's probably

(58:37):
more value out there than isn't just
immediately available to people that are
just like Oh no you're just going on
there to buy a you know 3D model
um because the brand is you right and so
there's more than one way just that you
know to get yourself out there we're
closing in on our solid 60 but I wanted
to ask you really quick because like I

(58:57):
said I've been dabbling in this we've
talked about this offline
as a as a product designer I I don't
it's not unprecedented I do see people
selling practical designs on yeah Club
type things right I think and maybe you
guys disagree with me but like
predominantly when I look at the things

(59:18):
that are being featured on these
platforms they're more of the artistic
you know nature they're That You Don't
See as many like practical prints and so
I was toying with the idea of like well
we've got this open source uh platform
in you know rep rack which is just a
silly little shelving system that I had
like whipped up that kind of took off on
printables and I'm it's super useful I'm

(59:39):
constantly building rep rack for for
various stuff like I can't wait to show
off my my uh my next setup in the in the
print Farm
um but uh I mentioned on the last thing
like we're we've had have lean you know
months I'm looking for ways to monetize
ideas and so I'm like well what if I
create some exclusive add-ons for

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shelving and some other designs that I
have out there that people you know that
might want to
subscribe at a very nominal fee uh for
add-ons
um I think there's Merit in that and
it's proven I I have nine members uh you
you which are one of them thank you this
is a new thing for me

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um but these are things that I would
design anyway and I like and and I do
still want to commit to having stuff
that's public like I think the one two
punch of having
um publicly available stuff that you're
giving back to the community and then
asking for a little bit of support for
some stuff for people that need it like
I think there's Merit to it but I don't
know how

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precedented or planned out that is and I
don't know what are your thoughts on
that I mean you know you and I on some
offline conversations had uh had some
interesting thoughts
um and ideas around leveraging a system
like a membership
um you know portal for product
development and you know offering you
know

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exclusive models or the ability access
um to either make products or you know
uh potentially
um you know get a the ability to build
something that you know you're going to
build yourself but you also have the you
know the the the hardware kits so this
weird hybrid model if you will uh I know

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that there are some you know memberships
out there and patreon like you know if
you have a design and people want to
sell the 3D printed model you have to
subscribe to a certain tier and that
gets you a license yeah um but you know
taking this to a product where you know
maybe it's a bigger thing that instead
of it just being a 3D printed thing
um it's really interesting
um you know it's it's a kind of

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distributed manufacturing model but also
at the same time you can have you know
pieces and that you are the only capable
you know uh producer of
um you know a specific part so if
someone is interested in doing this they
still have to come to you to buy the
other pieces to still build this right
so it's like a quasi-open source but

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still at the same time you know
subscription model that uh you know
people are are supporting it's a really
unique idea
I've I've been wanting to crack this
distributed manufacturing nut for a long
time I've been talking about it ever
since we did the face Shields you know
thing and I really think there's
something there I I think that the

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licensing and and again I I have no
problem you know I've even I've even
told the idea of just like completely
opening up you know rep box and some
other stuff too
um and who knows maybe that'll happen I
think there were concerns in the past uh
as you know I evolve and look at other
ways and realize that you know certain

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things are viable and certain things
aren't uh in the economy that I'm
manufacture in you know I think there's
there's different solutions and I
frankly think that on a private use
basis anybody that wants to make their
own and stuff anyway
um if you make it accessible and and the
the feed reasonable right I think a part

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of our challenge is is like we just
priced out of what people are willing to
pay for what the thing is like I I
wouldn't pay you know like the amount
sometimes like for some of the stuff
that uh that we do when I'm just wearing
my maker hat now
what I do see and what is I think a
little bit different for me is coming
from the product side I know how many
hours have gone into like developing

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something like you know this and so I
feel a little bit differently about
asking like a little bit of a you know
feed to support you know coming back
then then maybe other people do where
like a Red Dead Steve who just wants to
do the more altruistic thing and and I
think there's there's no right or wrong
and I and I think the combination of the
two is great I think that being a good

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member of the community
uh will will win you a lot of good good
faith and and marriage and I think that
there's ways that we're gonna see and I
want to see more development in the
legal front of like creating hybrid
licensing models and stuff like that
where free for personal use I mean this
exists to some extent already but then

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if you want a commercial license to
actually produce that that puts you in a
whole different world right you know you
pay for the right to do that and maybe
that's in lieu of like paying a royalty
or something that traditionally you
might do in a license to manufacturer
agreement so so it would be interesting
to see like will these platforms support
that like I don't feel like it's talked
about as much I mean there are models on

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printables that are absolutely practical
utilitarian uh things of incredibly high
value that would you know
um benefit from this potentially
um sure there's data mining opposite
like I said if you want to throw a bunch
of things out there and uh make it free
and see what sticks and then oh wow I've
got a lot of traction around this uh but

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retain the license to basically say like
you know what that did really well why
don't I sell these parts and offer that
up uh on this marketing platform as a
means of of saying hey if you don't want
to make this yourself you can just buy
it right here
that's a win-win I think
yeah
uh so there you go I don't know like I

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think the future is bright in terms of
like ways to make money in this maker
economy
in ways that we probably haven't even
thought of yet
so I think the takeaway that I would
hope for anybody that's listening back
on this uh you know try to think outside
of the box like think about what's a
unique offering like you know how are

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you competing
um obviously if you're just out there
creating uh more of the same you're
gonna dilute the field and so I think uh
no matter what you're doing having that
unique value proposition is is important
so make sure you're focusing on that
what is it that you do that only you can

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do
or uh just you know realize that if you
if you don't like it's not to say that
you you can't be part of the herd but
you're going to be fighting tooth and
nail and maybe then it's only just a
side hustle I I don't know yeah so you
have to decide what you want what you're
going for lots of variables as always

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no no one solution for everything I feel
like we just scratched the surface we
didn't even like really get into the
mechanics of like the differences
between the platforms and all of this
stuff and frankly like I'm a novice and
a lot of it I I find it interesting I
welcome the conversation so yeah let us
know what you think uh our tags on all
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what we're bringing to you guys if you
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we do have uh the ability to you know
Super Chat and all that stuff and we're
thankful for people that support what we
do this is a passion project for us
um we do not have a patreon we don't and
we I like to say we would do this anyway

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but uh there is time timing costs
associated with it so we are thankful
for people that support that as well
I think that's it for today uh uh
parting words
from why is parting words from Andrew
May Hall
are happening right now oh
man you put me on the spot as always

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right I love putting you on the spot you
know that's what I do
um no I mean I think uh I think the
biggest takeaway is is um evaluate your
options as a as an artist or as a maker
uh if you are interested in these
platforms really take a deep dive
um and I think learn the benefits of of
them all uh you know and figure out
what's kind of best for you and the the

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things that you're doing maybe you know
if you have a if you're a very social
extroverted person who likes posting
updates and really leverages those
social media things maybe a membership
model is a really good option because
you can have some exclusive content
um maybe if you're just uh you know uh
Hey I've designed this cool thing other
people might you know find it

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interesting maybe you throw it up on an
online Marketplace who knows you know I
I I I completely agree with all that
stuff and I would just add on to like uh
you know take a page out of
photosystem's book be a a generous
contributor to community uh and

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um you know recognize the value in that
and that it's not always about just
making money right away but but giving
back uh I always Advocate shine a light
on other people so you know if you're
gonna ask for support you know make sure
you're supporting others as best as you
can I know that it's all it's rough for
everybody out there uh right now and and
um
it's but I I would argue it's not Zero

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Sum I think we're always worried that if
like I'm just competing with other
people that's the wrong attitude in this
type of space I think if you're getting
out there and you feel like well if I'm
gonna have a printables club like I'm
gonna be taken away from photos or any
of the other amazing creators out there
no I don't think it works that way uh I
think there's ways that you can work
together and you can collaborate I think

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we can help each other Rising tag lifts
all benches as I like also think about
brand opportunities ways to work with a
business you know about your you know
your skills whatever you guys have a do
you have a membership platform you guys
have an audience a devoted audience and
you know there's value there
um maybe it's working with a brand who's

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you know in I mean I'll use gloop as an
example who has a product that benefits
people in the 3D printing space if there
are ways in which you know you can
leverage it in a design that you know
could
increase sales of a specific product or
you know increase the visibility there's
value there absolutely you know I mean

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I've paid for it in the past I know that
there are future projects that we are
working on so you know I'm not the only
company oh God no we've seen all the
major 3D printing uh protopost uh you
know like a lot of you know there's
these are just great little marketing
pieces that that companies are hungry
for you know so do a little Outreach get

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outside the box don't just wait for
people to come to you see what
opportunities are out there and uh and
leverage your skills in in a different
way capture different parts of the
market
yeah all right everybody happy Friday to
you thank you for listening and we will
catch you next Friday for the next
edition of maker that money the podcast

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where we talk about turning your hobby
into your Joby until then this is Pooch
from repcord and Andrew from 3D glitch
signing off
bye-bye