What if the care you needed wasn’t one more task, but a radical act of self-trust?
In Episode 150, I’m joined by Amy C. Willis, sober coach, speaker, and founder of Hol + Well. Amy works with women and queer folks to explore what’s possible in a life free from alcohol—one rooted in rest, boundaries, and real self-care.
We explore the concept of mothering yourself—a tender and transformative practice that helped Amy through early sobriety when she didn’t yet feel worthy of care. This idea ties beautifully into our Summer of Real Rest series, especially for those who are exhausted from being everything to everyone.
In this conversation, Amy and I discuss:
Why “mommy wine culture” is predatory, not empowering
How sobriety and burnout recovery share similar emotional truths
The stigma around choosing to be alcohol-free—even if you don’t identify as “in recovery”
Why we need to dismantle the binary between problem drinking and “normal” drinking
What truly restorative self-care looks like in recovery (hint: it’s not what Instagram tells you)
One of the most powerful things Amy says in this episode is:
“Whatever you’re looking for in alcohol, you’ll actually find in sobriety.”
Whether you're sober, sober-curious, or simply burned out and craving more care—you’ll find so much resonance and reflection here.
Amy’s Resources & Recommendations📚 Book Recommendation: Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea by Jessica Guerrieri
I’ve been alcohol-free since 2018—not because of addiction, but because alcohol made my anxiety and migraines worse. Still, even naming that choice out loud feels like a big deal. Amy and I unpack why alcohol is still seen as a default, and what it means to make a different choice.
This episode is part of the Summer of REAL Rest series—where we’re talking about sustainable care, nervous system softness, and how to stop outsourcing your well-being.
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