Ep.60 Arizona

Welcome to another edition of No Lights Paranormal, where our team of three nerdy paranormal investigators, Joe, Teresa, and Alex, dive into spine-chilling stories from the web. Join us as we explore hauntings in Arizona.

First up, we discuss The Red Ghost of Arizona.

Next we get into the mysterious happenings in the Oliver House.

And we round out our hauntings with the history and Paranormal events found at the Hoover Dam and Neighboring Lake Mead.

Episode Transcript

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Hello, and welcome to another edition of No Lights Paranormal,
where three nerdy paranormal investigators sit down and discuss spooky stories
from the web. My name is Joe. I'm the lead investigator.
My name is Teresa, and I am the defunct researcher because there's something
Joe knew today that I did not.
Well, there's something Joe
and Alex knew and you didn't. That's fucking frightening. It's true. Yeah.

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Which leads to me. I'm Alex. I am the equipment setter rapper and the Baba Yaga
enthusiast of the group. Yeah.
Yeah. And just in case you guys are curious, the thing that she didn't know
was Faust. Yeah, I cannot even.
It's fine. So I have, in fact, looked it up.
Watch the movie Nefarious. Good movie. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it was super good.

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Super good. But yes, I, yeah, I get it now.
Oh, ladies and gents, I wish you could have saw that. What's super funny is
I think I, I think I did hear about that at some point. It just,
for whatever reason, wasn't in my brain.
I don't know. We've actually talked about that many times. Yeah. Yeah, I'm fine.
Well, then I'm a big friend of Nietzsche anyway. Right, right, right. Valid.

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No, that was... I know, I know. We were like, you're a bad historian.
And I suck, it's cool. Yep, we told her she wasn't allowed to claim historian
this week, so yeah. Just researcher.
Yep. Sorry, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Twice a day.
Maybe more than that, in our next state, Arizona.

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I say that because they're one of those two weird states that already,
so despite the law that was just passed in Ohio, Arizona is one of the two states
that already does not view time change.
Oh, true. It's silly. I know this because when we did like one of the credit

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card customer service shit, I dealt with two offices that were in Arizona and
I never knew what time it was when I called them.
Okay. One week it would be three hours behind.
The next week it was two hours behind. Who knows? What?
Are you rerouting my call?
It's time. It's just a time. They're like, yeah, we don't look at that shit.
I'm like, yeah, nobody should.

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So paranormal events happening in Ohio this month.
We actually have multiple things that are getting ready to go down on the 19th,
which is tomorrow night, my beautiful friends.
So the first one is that at Benfield Wines in Swanton, Ohio,

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they're doing a paranormal discussion with Harold St. John.
Harold St. John is a psychic medium.
From toghs i don't know a whole lot about him but hopefully it will be fun we also have,
the paranormal group who meets
at the youngstown denny's on belmont from

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six to nine they get together and have
different speakers and different topics every single time
so i just do not have any idea what's
going to be this what is this tomorrow night this is this is almost like a almost
like a meetup.com kind of thing i would assume at a denny's yeah they meet at
denny's still around they meet at the denny's at 4020 belmont avenue in youngstown

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between 6 and 9 p.m there is also,
the trolley stop in dayton ohio tomorrow night starting at 6 is doing a ghost
stories paint night so you will be painting a picture based off of the ghost
story that they are telling.
Why's that shit gotta be during the week Like when I can't get to it I know

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so that one I think is gonna be a lot of fun And then The 21st Which is coming up obviously,
This weekend on Friday Madison Seminary is holding another paranormal Investigation
both Friday and Saturday Which is obviously in Madison, Ohio,
There is a paranormal investigation being held In Franklin, Ohio at 302 Park

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Street Street, which is the Franklin Area Historical Society.
That is open to the public as well.
So sorry, I'm losing my voice or something. Right?
They are also having another public ghost hunt tomorrow night at the Warren G.
Harding Presidential Sites in Marion, Ohio.

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And there is a woman by the
name of lauren helixson at
the widdemir in middletown ohio on the 21st from 6 to 8 30 who is doing a rem
pod workshop where you will actually build your own rem pod oh that's actually
yeah i want to go to that no shit super neat super name yeah that's that's.

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Let's see. At least $130 a pop. Yeah, it actually doesn't.
Let me see if it even says how much it is. Just so everybody knows,
it's at the Whittemere at 2 South Main Street in Middleton, Ohio.
A middle town for those out-of-staters who don't really know how to pronounce
it. And that's okay. We won't hold it against you.

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One guy in Germany is like, I'm in Germany.
Yeah, he's like, I don't give a shit. I am not seeing a price on here,
but I'm assuming that you could probably actually, here's a reserve your spot.
Let me see what this says.
Build your own REM pod. Everything included.
50 bucks. 50 bucks. And you can do an investigation of the place of the Wittemere

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after the investigation for an additional $10.
60 bucks. You get your own REM pod. 60 bucks. All supplies included and light
snacks included as well.
That's a damn good deal. So that will be, I think that'll be a lot of fun.
If you're in the area, highly recommend.
Oh, yeah. Now I wish I would have taken time off work to go do that.
I would be there. Yeah. I would have done that in a heartbeat.

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That's going to be a fun one. Solder.
Let's see here. Solder. Solder. Not the other one. Solder. There is coming up on the 20.
Oh, gosh. What is it? On 27th, Thursday and Friday night at the Post Town Elementary
School on Trenton Franklin Road, also in Middletown, Ohio,

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they are doing a public investigation of the Post Town Elementary School,
which does have some very interesting stories.
And then, of course, we'll round up the month with a public Ghost Hunt Saturday
the 29th and Sunday the 30th at the Ohio State Reformatory in Mansfield.

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So there's actually a lot of really fun stuff happening this month.
Well, two extra things that I'm going to throw out there. One thing that I have
covered week to week in the last couple of weeks is, so Teresa and I,
Joe couldn't get off work, but Teresa and I will be going to the Edgar Allen
Poe speakeasy the 22nd, which is this weekend.
Saturday, we will be at the 10 p.m. showing. So come say hi.

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I will have my No Lights, Pen and Roll t-shirt on, so easily identifiable.
We will definitely drink some Poe-inspired cocktails and listen to a couple
of stories and just have some fun.
And then the other thing that I wanted to go ahead and bring up that Joe brought
up to one of our group chats is August 23rd, which is a Friday.

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The Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad is having a murder mystery train ride.
Yes, murder mystery on the rails. I think that would be awesome to do.
I want to do that so bad. Also, to be fair, just to let everybody know,
keep watch on that website because come the Halloween season,
they also do like a paranormal scenic railroad tour.
Talking about ghost stories around the area. And you actually get to sort of

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drive through them and stop at some of the train stations along the different trailheads.
It's a lot of fun. It's honestly a lot of fun. For those of you that live in
Ohio and listen to us, the Cuyahoga Valley National Train System actually does
a lot of really cool stuff.
Yeah, they even have a Polar Express during winter. Yeah, during winter.
Which, to be fair, that's all I thought they did. Oh, yeah. And then I looked

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at their websites. I saw all the stuff they do. I'm like, wow.
No, they do seasonal stuff.
Yeah. That's a lot of fun. A lot of fun. So, yeah, but the Murder Mystery,
I saw that one. I've always wanted to do a Murder Mystery.
And from what I understand, this one was 20s themed. Nice.
And I'm like, oh, that's right up my alley. And just so you all are aware,
our very own Ken Summers is one of the guys who actually works on the railroad,

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and he will be on the train doing what he does and telling you fun stories and
making sure you're comfortable. I don't know about the murder mystery.
I know for sure that he runs paranormal trains. We ought to go and heckle him.
Right. Like, no, that's not how you do it. You're wrong.
He kicked off. You can also just hop on the train and take it around the park

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and stop at different railroad trailheads just for shits and giggles.
There does not have to be a special thing going on. It's very, very, very cheap.
Just a whole lot of fun and 300,000 acres of the most beautiful scenery that Ohio has to offer.
Highly, highly recommend. Honestly, I was just on their website.

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They have like a membership thing that you can sign up for too.
Yep. For like 50 bucks a month, it will get you 20% off drinks and whatnot.
Nice. And one ticket per day. Yeah. Neat.
So you can ride that thing around as much as you want and just go check out
some beautiful woods and different railroad stops and have a good time.
Let alone a lot of our paranormal stories come out of the valley.

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So you can see all these places we're talking about. Literally.
Well, some of our favorites anyway. Some of my favorites come out of there. Right, right.
That said, so 10 minutes into announcements, we should talk about some of our
other favorite places. Like some of our favorite places that we found in Arizona,

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which is our state this week.
It's a weird state. I knew you were in love with it as soon as I saw the first 10 Westerners.
Like cowboys and stuff. I was like, that's the reason it's going to be in heaven. Like, here we go.
I found one that's interesting, though. Like I said in the text,
it deals with history, lore, and a little bit about where we're going into the roundtable next week.

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So I'd like to go visit there for like a multitude of reasons.
I lived there for a little while.
It was definitely one of those time periods in my life where I was too young
to even experience it. That was like me at a year old.
I was in Tempe and Mesa, Arizona. We lived right by, like I said,
the Superstition Mountains were our backyard.

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Yeah. Yeah. So like, to be fair, I'd love to go visit and like be able to like kind of enjoy it.
At this age versus not know what the hell I was looking at at that age I would
like to do that in the winter time when it's not 115 fucking degrees no that
actually sparked an interesting thought in my head.

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About us not remembering stuff and I'll wait to tell my story get into it I'll
let you so who wants to go first well I went last last week you went last last week Yeah.
Okay. Maybe you should go first this week then. Okay. I wasn't prepared for
that, but I will do it. Well, we can.
I cannot. No, no, no. I got it. He wasn't unprepared for that.

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He just wasn't prepared for it.
Gotcha. I'm good at adapting. All right. Gotcha.
We have a lot of differences in this group. Yeah.
As always, my story is very long, so. Oh, dude, that's too bad.
All right. That means Joe's going first. I'm going second.
Teresa's bringing up the rear. Yep. Yep.
All right. Excuse me. All right, so mine is, it's a little bit of an urban legend.

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Deals with the, hold on, I may need to borrow some of these glasses. Your boy got old.
It actually deals with the red ghost of Arizona, which I don't know if you guys
have ever heard of that. I have.
So you know what it is. I do. Okay. So for you listeners that are just now listening,
let me get some glasses on first and then I'll tell my story. We're old.

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Yeah, we've all hit that middle age.
We're like, oh, I need my readers. so when it
comes to ghost stories arizona claims the classic the
red ghost story terrorized the arizonian frontier
for a decade before the 20th century the beast
was tall fierce red as the fires of hell and ridden by a dead man some sort

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of chilling or some sort of cause some sort of thing causes chills no matter
what century first sighted in 1883 the red ghost trampled a woman to death near
Eagle Creek in southeastern Arizona.
It destroyed prospectors' camps near Clifton and another time trampled a teamster's
wagon in the middle of the night.

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Wow, these glasses are horrific. Very strong. Yes. So it trampled teamster's
wagons because, as you know, that was what they used to transport.
The only physical evidence left behind was a large cloven hoof prints and turfs of red hair.
So, again, this goes into a little bit of the folklore. I like it. Let's do it.

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So finally, an upright and sober citizen, because all the reports of this have
been people that were out being drunk, being revelry and all that other stuff.
They were all drunk when they saw it.
So finally a sober person saw it, spotted the beast while rounding up cows near Salt River.
He recognized it as a camel, but there was something peculiar about this camel.

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There appeared to be a skeleton of a man lashed on the back of the Santa.
This goes into history. I feel like I would do that as a practical joke.
I would buy a camel and attach a skeleton to it and just let it run through
town. It would be hilarious.
Right. Well, apparently this did it for a decade.
So, all right. Once a year. A little bit of history here.

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Before the Civil War, the U.S. Army had employed camels as beasts of burden
while surveying a wagon road across northern Arizona.
The camels performed admirably, but were also independent and cantankerous.
Some were sold at auction while others were turned loose in the desert.
When a group of prospectors spotted the red ghost near the Verde River,
they shot it but missed. When the animal bolted, something fell to the ground.

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It turned out to be a human skull with shreds of flesh and hair still attached.
Over the years, the red ghost legends grew, even as the body of the horrifying
writer fell away in bits and pieces.
The story finally came to an end when a rancher named Mizzou Hastings spotted
a tall red camel in his garden and shot it.
None of the skeletons remained, but the camel's back still bore the scars from

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leather straps cutting into its flesh.
So when I did a little bit more research into this, because that intrigued me,
like, all right, how the hell did that happen? it.
Like, what is going on here? Who strapped a dead body?
Or who died on a camel and was just stuck on the camel and all that?
So I delved a little bit deeper into it. Here was the U.S. military.

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They used to do that to scare the Native American population to get them out of the places.
So they would strap dead soldiers to the back of the camels.
Just let them rot away, riding through the desert.
Because they would think it was a ghost or something like that.
So what you're saying is the drunk people weren't so drunk. Yes.
So mind you, say what you want to say. underhanded tactic, but that's fucking brilliant. Right.

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It's nothing that, look, got friends in the military. It's nothing that the
military is not accustomed to.
It's using scare tactics, if you will. Exactly. That's what it is.
That's why I say it's fucking brilliant.
We have a little bit more respect for our fallen these days,
though. Right. Well, they...
That goes into kind of what i was mentioning before about not
remembering things or misremembering things yeah how much

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of actual folklore out there is actually stuff just like that
of people messing around or people actually
showing yeah the shit really really happened and
it just yes that they're actually using i'll use this term nefarious ways to
get somebody to do what they want that i mean that thing was reported for a
decade which means that poor camel well yes i'm I'm not even mentioning a camel. Yes, poor camel.

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But it was reported for a decade.
This thing never came around humans, only at certain times to probably either eat or just got lost.
And humans, being humans, made up this grandiose, like, there's a devil in the freaking desert.
Well, the thing is, they're half right, right? They are, because camels have cloven hooves.

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There really is a camel with a dead person's throat. Well, but also what happened
to that last one that's after kind of taken off?
Oh. Like, was it actually part of that or was it something else?
Oh, good point. Was maybe he did it as a joke and actually those people who

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took a couple pot shots at him actually hit him. Ooh.
And he couldn't get off because he was strapped to the camel and the camel not
knowing any different because it's a camel. It's a camel. It's not going to
be like a horse and be like, fuck off.
It's just gonna keep going so so maybe yeah maybe he was not originally a dead guy yeah but also yeah.

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How long did this go on before somebody was like, oh, it's a camel.
Yeah. It's not a demon or it's just a camel that was released and then did the research about the U.S.
Military use them for transporting goods. And it doesn't.
So it just goes to the point. And
this goes into what the roundtable discussion is going to be next week.
And we'll get on that later of how much hysteria can cause people to create

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grandiose images and grandiose.
And I can see Alex's wheels turning right now. Now, grandiose themes and stories
about what they think they saw.
I mean, it's not just that for me, and it's not just wheels turning on specifically on what you said.
But you have to understand that it's probably where 90% of our folklore came from, right? Right.

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Folklore is a mix of trying to explain things that happened,
and folklore is a mix of, to an extent, keeping control.
Like keeping your kids under control, being like, hey, don't go into the woods.
Like you scare them with something, right? Right, so they don't go.
Act right all year or Santa Claus won't bring you a cool gift at the end of it. Right.
So, like, a little bit of that bleeds into what you're saying.
Right. You know what I mean? Right.

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So, like, yeah, there's probably some kernel of truth to it. Yeah.
Yeah, there really was a camel with a dead body strapped to it.
And it wasn't from the devil. But it wasn't from the devil.
And how disgusting. And you probably smell that thing coming a mile and a half
away. Oh, that'd be awful.
But, yeah, that's where I feel bad for a camel. You'd have to tie that person
to a camel pretty fucking well for it to just stay on there for an extended

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period of time. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Well, that's what they said. I'm going to have to assume it was more than
one camel with more than one dead body.
Possibly, yes. They never did say it was the same exact one.
I would have to assume that a dead body's not staying on a camel for 10 years.
No. Well, it didn't, actually, because it rotted away. Shit decays and falls
off. You know what I mean? It rotted away.

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So that denotes to me that that was someone recent that that happened to,
which- Especially in the Arizona sun?
Right. I mean, like, that dead body isn't lasting 10 years, bro.
No. It's going to be bleached bones in, like, two years.
Maybe the bones are lasting, but they're not going to stay on for very- So that's
the fun part, though, is that it actually was described as a red camel with

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bleached white skeleton yeah no so
that was like two years into the ordeal yeah but like
i said it was seen for a decade so yeah a how many gambles
had dead bodies strapped to them or b how long does it take for the sun to bake
the bones to where they fall off and c how well did they strap that motherfucker
on yeah pretty well i'm guessing like that that's just amazing to me that and

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it goes back to one of my favorite authors when he wrote this book about robin
hood how at the end End of the tale,
he said that the tale of Robin Hood was told in Tavert and how it changed throughout
the years to where originally it was this dude, but now it's rob from the rich, give to the poor.
But he was actually robbed from the rich to give to himself.
Right. Always changes, right? And how much of that to where the kernel of truth

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is there, but we can't see it because so much malarkey is in it. So because I'm me.
What'd you look up? If after skeletization, meaning all the skin is gone,
all the muscle components are gone,
if scavenging animals have not destroyed or carried off bones,
it does say that acids in soil take about 20 years to fully dissolve a skeleton.

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So if this was in the open air and not in acidic soil, it is actually entirely
possible that the skeleton held together for a decade. Well, yeah, but also heat.
Heat is not it's not acidic it doesn't
have a wearing effect on bone well this

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is what i'm saying but i'm not on flesh well yeah because
i'm assuming once it turned to pure bone it would probably just break apart
and fall off well you still have you know like your cartilage and things like
that holding stuff together that's that's gonna erode but it takes quite a long
time for cartilage to erode because it's it's a very very hardened calcium it's
yeah it's almost like a rock Yeah, it's not a soft tissue by any means.

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This is the other part that I challenge you with, despite the fact that it wasn't laying in the dirt.
And this is why anywhere from the 10 to 20 years seems about accurate.
Yeah. Despite that it wasn't laying in the dirt, you can't tell me that camel
wasn't kicking up dirt running across the desert. Oh, yeah. Well. Or sandstorms.
Sure. Like, there are definitely other things that come into play.
Like, technically, Arizona has what you would.

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Dirt devil? Don't get me wrong. It's not a monsoon, but what you would consider a monsoon season.
Like there is a fucking heavy rain season in Arizona where it's just piss poor
for like three days straight. It's not long.
It's not Thailand. It's not long. Yeah. Still three days straight though.
But no, I just thought that was an interesting story that tied in folklore and
actual history with it. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Totally into it.

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I felt the discussion about it would take longer than the actual telling of it.
Totally into it. Yeah. But yeah, that's my story for this week.
All right. Well, it appears that I have volunteered to go next.
Yes, indeed. Now I've got to volunteer to go first.
So in my gatherings, and don't get me wrong, like, so we as a group,

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right? We watch a lot of paranormal shows.
Yeah. I did find later on, I must have completely and utterly missed these episodes,
but I did find later on that this place was like in a couple of paranormal shows.
Okay. But up until the point in which I researched it, I didn't know anything about it.
So I am doing the Oliver House, which is just outside of Phoenix,

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Arizona, in a place called Bisbee.
So as the story goes, Bisbee has a history of mining, labor strikes,
race riots, and an interesting part of Arizona heritage.
Heritage also quite spooky those traveling
to bisbee looking for a scare usually spend a

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night or two at the oliver house the oliver house again is the place that i'm
doing ironically named after my new puppy well my puppy is no never mind it's
fine i got it uh the oliver house is a hot and bed and breakfast overlooking
the town of bisbee most of the guests who stay at the oliver house are very much alive,
but there's about a dozen spirits who have long overstayed their welcome.

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The Oliver House has a deceptively wholesome appearance and its location on
a forested hill makes it a great spot for birdwatching, believe it or not.
Weird go-to from one side to the other there. Yeah, that's a boring ass sport.
But, the building has dark pasts. The building has seen,
at least 26 deaths that we know of, Including

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a mass murderer Damn The most known death was that of Nathaniel Nat Anderson
Who was shot right between the eyes by a debt collector The ghost of Nat Anderson
still haunts the Oliver House And he lives in the aptly named Room 13,
Just about every room in the Oliver House is said to be haunted And ghosts are

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sure to encounter a few spirits no matter what room they stay in There is a
grandma room, the home to a calm spirit of an elderly woman,
the blue room, where a jealous cop went on a murdering spree.
The purple sage room, where doors and windows open and close on their own,
guests of the Oliver house often report phantom footsteps,

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feelings of being watched, and the occasional echoes of a phantom party from
rooms that are supposedly empty.
History of the Oliver house. Edith Ann Oliver was married to Henry Oliver, who was a mining tycoon.
They thought the executives of Calumet and the Arizona Mining Company needed
a space to live and work, so they began building the Oliver House in 1908.

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Edith had made the building out of brick, as Bisbee was one of those places
that had frequent fires, so the buildings were constantly being destroyed,
so they just went with, go figure, brick.
Many of the city's historical records were destroyed in the fire.
While it's known that at least 27 people died in the Oliver House,
the number could be much higher, but since most of the records were burned, we'll never know.

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Over time, the building eventually housed miners as well as executives.
The Oliver House became more of a boarding house to the local workers.
In 1986, the house was bought by Dennis Schrantz.
He turned the Oliver House into a full-on bed and breakfast.
And while he was initially skeptical about the hauntiness of the Oliver House,

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it didn't take long for him to start believing.
Some of the old historic stories of the Oliver House. house.
In 1920, a local miner named Nat Anderson was staying at the Oliver house.
He was also the lover in a fiery affair, sleeping with the wife of a man whom

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he owed quite a bit of money.
Nat was undoubtedly found out and the man charged into Nat's room and shot him
right in the forehead, then against the back, then again in the back as he fell to the ground.
Nat was playing a dangerous his game, and although it was fun while it lasted,
it all came to a very violent and bloody end. No shit.

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The man who shot Nat tried to cover his tracks.
He caused a commotion while crossing the bridge into the house.
He stole a watch and some cash from another resident of the Oliver house.
His aim was to make like a thief trying to escape.
The ruse worked. Even though there were multiple witnesses, it was well known
that Nathaniel owed the man money, and the murders to this day remains an unsolved mystery. All right.

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Nat's ghost is said to haunt the area around room 13 where he was shot.
Guests who stay in the room often hear phantom footsteps in the room at night,
cold spots, and the unusual feeling of being watched. Ahem.
The apparition of Nat has been seen as well. A DJ from the local radio station
once took a $100 bet from a friend, betting that he wouldn't be able to spend the night in room 13.

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Thinking it was an easy $100, the skeptical DJ made a reservation at the Oliver house,
and upon entering the room, he stood face-to-face with the ghost of Nathaniel
Anderson, and he immediately turned in the keys to the front desk and forfeited the $100. Holy crap.
That's a nope if I ever heard it. That's what I say, yeah. Yeah.
Story number two, the mass murder at the Oliver House.

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Jealousy is a common theme here at the Oliver House. In 1932,
a mass murder occurred in the blue room of the house when a policeman discovered
that his wife was having an affair.
Clearly, if you're going to have an affair, do it at the Oliver House.
Or don't. I thought you were going to say Oliver.
After hearing that his wife and her lover were getting freaky,

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he ran down to the Oliver House to see for himself.
Upon finding the two lovers in the blue room laying in bed together,
the policeman shot and killed them both.
He then went on to kill 10 other people in the house before running to a nearby
river and turning the gun on himself.
Guests who stay in this blue room feel a dark aura hanging over the room.

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They may hear phantom footsteps or disembodied voices.
Some hear the sounds of gunfire and the echoes of someone crying for help.
Staff also find that the furniture in the blue room is mysteriously shuffled
around, even when they know the room's been empty.
Moving on, we have the Grandma Room. The Grandma Room is named for a ghost of

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an older woman who often appears sitting in a rocking chair.
When she appears, they say that
the broken cuckoo clock from the room chimes at 2 a.m. and 2 a.m. only.
Apparently, she died in the room and still resides there in the afterlife.
The woman is said to be calm, benevolent spirit, and hardly causes trouble.
Grandma. Like a grandma. Again, the grandma room.

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There is one account of the woman becoming aggressive when the Oliver house
was bought out by the new owners.
They removed the rocking chair and the cuckoo clock, which set grandma off.
The room was being redecorated for a small boy when the boy went up to the room
to go check it out. He came back down the stairs crying hysterically.
He said the mean old lady knocked him upside his head, and his parents thought

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that it might have been his imagination, but the next day they found a large
bruise on his forehead. Aww!
Don't fuck with Granny's clock, or her rocking chair, alright? Aww.
Only two requirements, it's not hard, people. And finally, we move on to the
second floor of the Oliver house. I love that, the mean old lady.

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Knocked him upside his head. I can totally hear a kid saying that, too. Oh my god.
So the second floor is the most active area of the house.
Guests often report intense feelings of being watched upon arrival,
doors often open and close with no warning.
Some have seen lights turning on and off on their own.
Guests often complain about hearing parties in the middle of the night,

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and when they go to investigate, they find nothing.
They also hear sounds of a handyman doing work on a leaky pipe,
and again, when they investigate, they find no source.
Guests who stay in the plum room, which is on the second level,
often feel unusual cold spots in the room. which they say border on freezing cold temperatures.
Cool. I'm staying in that room when we go. Right, oh shit. Right?

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They also feel a strange presence in the room as if someone else is there with them.
The shutters, doors, and windows in the purple stage room open and close on their own.
So that is some stories and some reports from the Oliver House in Bisbee,
Arizona, just outside Phoenix.
It's weird too, because when you were first describing it, my first thought
was two crimes of passion.

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Two people cheating on, getting caught in the middle. That just immediately
brought a succubus to mind.
Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like another round table topic for another time.
Right. But then when you start saying old grandma, I was like,
well, succubus ain't going to mess with an old grandma.

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It's an older succubus. It's fair. That would be an incubus though.
Good pun, sir. Pardon me while I burst into flames.
I like that one. But yeah, no, that was just like, like, huh?
Two crimes of passion, maybe a passion demon or a succubus or.

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It feels like there's a little bit of everything there, to be fair.
Like I said, upon my reading, it seemed like there was a lot of, like, you're right.
Literally, the first two to three stories you tell me are about,
oh, this person cheated on this person. Right. In this room.
They got shot in the face.
Okay. All right. This happened.
Unsolved mystery. We saw the guy shoot him. Nah, he owed a debt. It's fine.

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He went to the river. Living in a van.
That's amazing like I said I like the fun stories sometimes you know what I mean it's definitely,
alleviating from all the shit you look up I like the fun and weird shit one
of these days I'm just gonna find a place and dive headlong into like little
kid grosses or the creepiest thing on the fucking planet oh god yes,

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but for now for now I'm just having fun with it.
No we did a second episode what kid ghost oh fuck off I feel like that was a
different type of theme, though. Yeah, but we could definitely revisit that, yeah.
Listen, I'm all about revisiting good conversations.
Which we do a lot at this house. I guess that leaves it to me to tell the last story, right?

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Tell me. You got 30 minutes. 30 minutes, I love it.
So I actually went ahead and covered the Hoover Dam, which I've always found. I know, dam.
Dam, dam. That's a dam, dam. Which is ironic. That's just on some borders,
and that's like more than just Arizona ghost stories and shit. Right, right.
Yes, yes. I understand. You could have done that for Nevada last week, too.

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I guess you're not wrong. The Nevada side. Right, the Nevada side. Not like Niagara Falls.
So, yeah. So basically what I put together literally like seven friggin' pages
of history because that's just who I am.
But I'm going to truncate just a pinch. Well, you got 24 minutes,

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not 30. She's only going to use six.
Right. Five and a half.
Obviously, we're, you know, late 1800s. The Southwest United States was in developmental
stages at that point, which obviously meant that they needed a whole lot of natural resources.
The most important, obviously, was irrigation, fresh water, things like that.

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Not just for crops, but also because they were providing adequate drinking water
for basically seven states, including California, Nevada, Arizona,
Utah, New Mexico, Colorado, and Wyoming, were all going to be benefiting from this whole situation.
So, originally, they had picked a spot on the Colorado River that was seen as a potential source.

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In 1902, the Edison Electric Company from Los Angeles surveyed the river in
hopes of building a 40-foot rock dam, which would generate about 10,000 horsepower
or 7,500 kilowatts of electricity.
Electricity however at that time the
limited transmission of electric tower was only about 80 miles

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and where they were looking to put it
on the colorado river was way more than 80 miles from any major city so it wouldn't
really have done a lot of good so edison allowed the land options that he held
on the river to lapse and he basically lost the ability to build there.

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Including an option for what
ended up becoming the site of the hoover dam so he would have been an incredibly
wealthy man had he not allowed those to lapse in addition from more people mr
edison exactly exactly because tesla and i don't care what anybody says tesla was fucking around,

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Anyway, an attempt was made to divert the river in the late 1890s when land
speculator William Beatty built the Alamo Canal just north of the Mexican border.
The canal dipped down into Mexico before running through a very desolate area,
which Beatty ended up naming the Imperial Valley.
Today, all of us know the Imperial Valley. It's where they pretty much grow

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everything you could think of because it's very, very rich soil and the high
temperatures make good conditions for year-round growing season,
so they really never have to stop growing.
This idea completely flopped. For starters, it was way too expensive to operate,
again, because they were in an extremely remote location.
And to boot, a catastrophic breach occurred, which ended up causing the Colorado

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River to spill out and fill up what is now called the Sultan Sea,
which did not exist before this breach and flood.
The Southern Pacific Railroad spent about $3 million trying to stabilize the
waterway between 1906 and 07, but the efforts proved unsatisfactory and they
just couldn't guarantee the stability of the river.

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In the following years, the Bureau of Reclamation, known as the Reclamation
Service at the time, also considered the lower Colorado as a site for the dam.
Service chief author Arthur Powell Davis proposed using dynamite to collapse
the walls of Boulder Canyon,
which this was about 20 miles north of where the eventual dam site actually ended up being.

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So he wanted to collapse the walls of the Boulder Canyon right into the river.
The river would carry off all the smaller debris and then what was left over
they would use to actually build the dam. It was considered by the Reclamation
Service for several years, actually.
But in 1922, they finally said, you know what, that's sketchy.

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Don't know if it's going to work. It's dangerous, etc., etc.
So they scrapped that entire idea. So after a very lengthy study,
there was a report that was issued called the Fall Davis Report,
where they basically surveyed a whole bunch of stuff and where might be the
best place to put it, etc., etc.

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And it was noted that they should put it at or near Boulder Canyon.
So there were three potential sites they were looking at. The first site was
completely unsuitable because it actually is bisected by a geological fault line.
So, terrible idea. Two other potential sites were so narrow that they didn't

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allow any space for construction camp at the bottom of the canyon or for a spillway for the dam.
So, that just wasn't going to happen. The service investigated Black Canyon
and found it absolutely ideal.
A railway could be laid from the railhead in Las Vegas to the top of the dam
site to bring people and supplies and building material, all that good stuff.

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So despite that they ended up actually building the dam in Black Canyon,
it was still referred to as the Boulder Canyon Project, which is how the dam
originally got its name of the Bolden Canyon Dam.
So, it was December 21st of 1928 when President Coolidge signed a bill authorizing the dam.

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The Canyon Project Act appropriated $165 million for the project.
Mind you, this is 1928, so that's like redonkulous amounts of money.
Along with a project with the downstream Imperial Dam and the All-American Canal,
which was a replacement for Beatty's Canal, which this one was entirely in the

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U.S. and did not run into Mexico at all.
So they said that this would actually go into effect if at least six of the
seven states involved in the project would actually okay it,
which that ended up not happening
until march of 1929 with
utah's ratification as a state they signed said

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yes let's do this so there was their six of
the seven now arizona did not actually approve it until 1944 so like it took
them forever which is amazing because about 19 percent of Arizona's total statewide
energy usage to this day is because of the Hoover Dam. So, yeah, whatever.

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The project was overseen by the Bureau's chief design engineer, John Savage.
The monolithic dam would be thick at the bottom and thin near the top and would
present a convex face towards the water above the dam.
The curving arch of the dam would transmit the water's force into the abutments,
which in this case is the rock walls of the canyon itself,

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the wedge-shaped dam would be 660 feet thick at the bottom, narrowing to 45
feet at the top, which would leave room for a highway connecting Nevada and Arizona.
On January 10th of 31, they made the bid documents available at five bucks a
copy, said that the government would provide all materials, and that the contractor

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was responsible to prepare the site and build the dam.
It was described in extremely minute detail, covering over 100 pages of text, over 76 drawings.
There was a $2 million bid bond to accompany each bid, and the winner would
also have to post a $5 million performance bond, basically just saying that,

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yes, they're going to do the work and they're going to complete it.
And that the contractor would have seven years total to complete the construction
of the dam or they would incur some penalties.
So there were these guys, the Wattis brothers. They were heads of a company
called the Utah Construction Company.
They were really interested in bidding on the project. They They thought they
could do it, but they lacked that $5 million performance bond money.

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So they got together with their very long-term partners, the Morrison-Nudson
guys, and these guys actually employed one of the nation's leading dam builders
named Frank Crowe, had already worked for them.
So even those two companies couldn't handle it together. So they ended up recruiting
the Pacific Bridge Company from Portland, Henry Kaiser and W.A.

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Bechtel Company from San Francisco, the McDonald & Kahn Company from Los Angeles,
and the J.F. Shea Company, also from Portland.
The joint venture was called Six Companies, Inc., because, you know,
six companies total involved.
Figure. There were only three valid bids.
The sixth company's bid was for $48,890,955, which was the absolute lowest bid.

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And it was within about $24,000 of what the government estimated the dam would actually cost to build.
But it was over $5 million less than the next lowest bid.
And as you know, even when they're building something that absolutely has to
be perfect, they still go with the lowest bidder.
So the city of Vegas lobbied hard for their headquarters to be the headquarters

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for the dam construction.
They closed a whole bunch of speakeasies, they cleaned the city up a little bit, etc, etc.
But the Secretary of Interior came to town and he said, no, no,
no, we're definitely not doing that.
A model city will be built in the desert near the dam site.
That town became known as Boulder City, Nevada, which still exists to this day.

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And construction of the rail line joining Las Vegas to the dam site began in 1930.
So with all of that said and done, the dam was authorized.
The states were signed off. Everything was ready to go. They had the company that bid.
Almost literally overnight, unemployed people started just absolutely running,

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converging to Southern Nevada.
Las Vegas back then was actually a really small city only held about 5,000 people.
They saw somewhere between about 18 and 20,000 unemployed people just came and
descended upon the city of Las Vegas looking for work with this situation.

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So a government camp was established for surveyors and other personnel near
the dam site, and it soon became surrounded by basically a squatter's camp.
They had two different villages, McKeever'sville and one called Williamsville,
but the inhabitants called it Ragtown.
Yeah. Yeah. Makes a little sense. Yeah. When construction began,

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six companies hired large numbers of these workers, more than 3,000 on the payroll by 1932.
And the employment peaking at 5,251 in July of 1934.
And this is of the 18,000 to 20,000 that actually descended on the area.
So unfortunately, a lot of men got turned away and didn't get a job. But a lot did.

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So interestingly enough, part of the contract that six companies had to abide
by was to build Boulder City to house the workers.
The original timetable called for Boulder City to be built before the dam project
began, but President Hoover ordered work on the dam to begin on March of 1931, as opposed to October.

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So he bumped it up, which means that the company had to build bunkhouses that
were attached to the canyon walls.
They housed 480 men, and it was known as the River Camp.
Workers with families were basically just left to provide for themselves and
ended up mostly living in Ragtown until Bulber City was completed.

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Another very interesting part of the contract is that if you know anything about
like the Los Angeles area at that time, there was a lot of Mongolian inhabitants
like Chinatown, things like that.
It was absolutely prohibited for any Mongolian laborer to work under the contract.
The U.S. government said absolutely not.

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And the number of African-Americans never was to exceed 30.
So of those 5,251 people, there were never more than 30 African Americans,
and everybody else was just white vote, because that's what the government said.
Head so obviously we

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know the weather down there the site of the hoover dam endures extremely hot
weather and a summer of 1931 was especially
disgusting they had a daytime high average of 119.9 degrees fahrenheit 16 workers
not doing their never no no good 16 workers actually died Back then,

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they called it heat frustration, which is heat stroke.
Frustration. Between June 25th and July 26th.
So within one month, they had 16 workers die from heat exhaustion.
The industrial workers of the world,
whom was not so lovingly known as the Wobblies,
through though much reduced from their heyday as militant labor organizations

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in the early years of the century,
hoped to unionize the six companies workers by capitalizing on their discontent
with the heat and whatnot.
They sent 11 organizers, several of whom immediately got arrested by Las Vegas police.
And on August 7th of 1931, the company cut wages for all tunnel workers.

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Although the workers sent the organizers away because of this,
no one wanted to be associated with the Wobblies because the company was basically
like, fuck you, we just won't pay you if this is how you're going to behave.
They formed a committee with them to represent the company.
The committee drew up a list of demands that evening and presented them to Crow,
whom was the guy in charge, the following morning.

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He was noncommittal. For starters, the workers hoped that Crow,
who was the superintendent on the job, would be sympathetic.
Instead, he gave a scathing interview to a newspaper describing the workers as malcontents.
Shorter. On the morning of the 9th, Crow met with the committee and told them
that management refused their demands.

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He stopped all work and laid off the entire workforce, except for a few office
workers and carpenters.
The workers were given until 5 p.m. to vacate the premises.
Concerned that a violent confrontation was imminent, most workers took their
paychecks and left for Las Vegas to await developments.
Two days later, the remainder were talked into leaving by law enforcement.

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On August 13th, the company began hiring new workers again. And two days later,
the strike was completely called off and workers returned.
While the workers received none of their demands, the company guaranteed there
would be no further reductions in wages, and living conditions began to improve
as the first residents moved into Boulder City in late 1931.

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A second labor action took place in July 1935 as construction on the dam wound
down, when the six companies' managers altered working times to force workers
to take lunch off the clock.
Workers responded by striking.
In Bolden... Wow, wow. So Crowe said, okay, fine, then whatever.

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We don't have to do that. We'll pay you for lunch, which emboldened the workers.
Therefore, they raised a second demand to include a $1 per day pay raise.
The company agreed to ask the federal government to supplement the pay,
but Washington basically said no, and the strike ended and the workers just

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simply went back to fucking work.
First concrete was poured on the dam on June 6, 1933, 18 months ahead of schedule.
Since concrete heats and contracts as it cures, the potential for uneven cooling
contraction of the concrete posed a pretty serious problem.
The Bureau of Reclamation Engineers calculated that if the dam were being built

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in a single continuous pour, the concrete would take over 125 years to cool
and the resulting stresses would cause the dam to crack and crumble.
Instead, the ground where the dam would rise was marked with rectangles and
concrete blocks in columns were poured, some as large as 50 feet square and 5 feet high.

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Each five-foot form contained a set of wined steel pipes,
which ran cool river water through the pipes, followed by ice-cold water from
the refrigeration plant, which helped the blocks cool and cure much,
much faster and stop contracting.
Once that was done, the pipes were filled with grout, and the grout was also

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used to fill the hairline spaces between columns, which were grooved to increase
the strength of the joints.
The concrete was delivered in huge steel buckets, seven feet high and almost seven feet in diameter.
He was awarded two patents for their design. The buckets each weighed about
20 short tons when full, were filled from two massive concrete plants on the

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Nevada side, and were delivered to the site on special rail cars.
The buckets were then suspended from aerial cableways which would deliver them to a specific column.
There's so much that goes on to this.
So basically eight cubic yards of concrete per team of men to work it through

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the form and make sure that it was, you know, where it needed to be.
And one thing really interesting, this is kind of where I stop reading history
and start going off on my tangents.
What I found super, super interesting was there was actually,
there's a lot of stories about people, you know, falling into the concrete as

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it was pouring and just simply being left in the works of the dam.
Yeah, because there was no health code. True. So true.
What? Interestingly enough, there was actually people from the government watching
over the construction of the dam literally every single moment of every single day.

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So, the six companies' engineers simply would not have permitted a flaw in the concrete.
And a human body being in the concrete is a flaw.
If you noticed it. Oh, I don't know. I don't know.

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What the claims are by both the six companies and the Army Corps of Engineers for the U.S.
Government says there is not a single body in there because it would have created
a flaw, which would have caused eventual cracking and crumbling of the concrete,
which would have fucked the dam. Yeah, but let me know when people died.

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I know they claim that they were indeed dragged out of the concrete.
Let me let me explain this. I worked for places that do government contract work.
And I know for a fact how much it gets pencil lift.
Well, I can guarantee you I know of at least three bridges right here within

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20 miles of our house that there are actual bodies in the pylons. Half of New York.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And we're talking about, you know, the 1930s. So, yeah.
I mean, the only, the only second grace with that is maybe there's no bodies
because I do know like cement work and all that.
It does eat human flesh. It does. It does.

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Yeah. Now there's just void. It's fine. Yeah. Now there's a void.
It's fine. Yeah. Which would have created a flaw.
Oh, yeah. Big flaw. Big flaw. Big flaw. Maybe they just felt,
fuck it, just feel like that. Right. Right. Fuck it. That's what all that grout was used for. Yeah.
So in total, concrete ceased pouring on May 29th of 1935 with a total of 3,250,000

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cubic yards of concrete.
That's a lot of concrete. That's stupid.
All right. So for reference, and I just double-checked this just to make sure.
If you can imagine a four foot wide sidewalk wrapped around the earth's equator. Yeah.
That's how much concrete's in the Hoover Dam. Yeah. Fucked up,

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isn't it? A four foot wide sidewalk all the way around the earth. Yeah.
That's a lot. That's a lot. I'm tired of walking balls. It doesn't say how thick
that sidewalk is, but you can imagine at least four to six inches.
Oh, to keep in that myself, it's got to be pretty damn. So it is.
It's got thickness, actual thing.
Well, here's the thing. It is 660 feet thick at the base, which is more than

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two football fields thick, and it is 45 feet thick at the top. I already said all that.
He just fact-checked me. He was fact-checking me.
He was proving. I'm pulling a fucking Teresa. I'm the researcher of the group
this week since you bailed on it. Since I fucked up.
Historian. There won't be another podcast. I'm going to leave right after this. Right?

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The formal dedication ceremony was
arranged for september 30th 1935 to coincide
with the western tour being made by franklin d roosevelt
the morning of the dedication it was
actually moved forward by several hours which basically meant that 10 000 people
were going to be present for the president's speech in the absolute fucking

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hottest part of the day and temperatures that day reached 102.
So, 10,000 people baking like lobsters. Almost as hot as Ohio today.
Yeah, it feels like Satan's asshole out here.
To mark the occasion, the three-cent stamp was issued by the United States Post
Office Department bearing the name Boulder Dam, which was the official name

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of the dam between 1933 and 1947.
After the ceremony, Roosevelt made his first visit by any American president
to Las Vegas, which again at that time was not a super huge city.
Six companies negotiated with the government through late 1935 and early 1936

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to settle all claims and arrange for the formal transfer of the dam to the federal government.
And that all happened March 1st, 1936.
And the very next day, a concrete plug basically was pulled as the tunnel had
to be used to take in irrigation water until the powerhouse actually went into operation.

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And boom, the dam started doing what it does.
And still doing. And it is still doing.
So with all of that said, I don't have any idea if there were actually any people
that are still in the brick and mortar of the foundation. No clue.
But I can tell you that recorded deaths,

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mind you, just recorded deaths, during the three-year construction of the dam
was 213 what they classed as industrial accidents,
which basically just means death on the worksite.
And tax write-offs. Exactly.
Of those, the highest number was people actually dying of pneumonia from all

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of the dust from the concrete and the bricks and the stones and things like that.
Second highest was people getting hit by machinery, like trains and trucks and
those giant ferried-in buckets for concrete. I can't even say anything on that one.
Asphalt right blasting drowning there

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were five either murders or suicides they do
not they do not tell us which is which but all
of those happened in 1935 so not sure what went down on that day blasting falling
material people accidentally falling from the structure itself there were 26
safety ratings what yeah none of that none of that let alone the fact that when

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Lake Mead was actually constructed,
which is the lake at the top of the dam that feeds all of the electromagnetic
water energy for the dam, there
are a total of about 145 deaths that have happened in the Lake Mead area,
which is actually just the average between 2014 and 2021.

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Prior to To that, you're looking at over 250 deaths in Lake Mead,
let alone the fact that St.
Thomas was a small village.
I want to say it was, was it Mormon? I believe it was a Mormon village that
actually existed where the lake currently sits.
And when they were fixing to actually go ahead and flood the lake and let it

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become a lake, because it is man-made, it was not a naturally occurring lake.
Like, a lot of residents, they were told, you know, hey, you guys,
you got to get the fuck out of here because we're about to flood this shit and
you're going to be under 65 feet of water.
And a lot of people left. And some people did not.
And so, yeah, they died.

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That is not including, ironically, how many people were probably dumped in Lake
Mead. Oh, it's ridiculous.
It is noted as being one of the mob's dumping grounds in Las Vegas.
Because it's very close to Vegas and the train takes you right there. Yep. Yep.
They're saying 56 people drowned in Lake Mead between 2013 and 2023.

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And that's just drowning, which accounts for only 12% of the total deaths of about 466.
And a lot of it is just murder or they found a body or someone drowned or just various shit.
Yeah. Although they do say that it is safe to swim in Lake Mead.

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Well, I mean, if you're alive.
That's what I want. Swimming with the fishes.
So paranormal activity because this is where the ghosts come in where's the
haunting because that what it was no no i actually thought about that the other
day you asked me like where's that with the paranormal yeah yeah well here's
where we tie in with the paramount you're looking at.

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Workers at the dam modern day workers have reported tools going missing their
equipment being tampered with, malfunctions occurring at roughly the same time every single day.
And it seems very clear to these workers that the drowned poltergeists want
to sabotage the Hoover Dam.

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Not all who rest at the bottom of Lake Mead are there because of the dam's construction.
Some are there actually by choice. Since 1935, it is estimated,
only estimated, because they don't know for sure, that over 100 people have
suicided off of the dam into the lake.
They left Sean White. Right, they left Sean White. So they went.

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Even the Hoover Dam Bypass Bridge is a frequent site for the suicidal to attempt
their final act in this world.
The bridge may have been free of any suicides for the first year and a half,
but didn't take too long for that to change.
Five individuals over the next two years took their life at the bridge.
Apparitions of jumpers appear late at night walking across the part of the dam

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where cars are no longer allowed to travel over,
and unsuspecting workers are, of course, extremely startled when they're spotting
these people in places where the public is not allowed and after hours,
only to find them just simply vanishing
when it looks like they've thrown themselves off the side of the dam.

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Those who have plunged into the depths of Lake Mead which is the largest manufactured
lake in the world mind you or into the oh yeah yeah,
When the waters have receded and the reservoir is dried up, they actually found six skeletons.
That was just here very recently. This year, with the droughts that they were

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having in the West this year, they found six skeletons.
A huge, huge bunch of remnants from the village that used to be there, St. Thomas.
But super interesting is they have
this fun little blurb here on ghostcitytours.com. It says, let's see here.
When the waters have receded, the reservoir dried up, and the rest of the world

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is crumbling, the Hoover Dam will still stand.
Even if Bahamut crosses the Arizona-Nevada line to begin his global destruction,
or all the ghosts rise from beneath the waves, the dam will not fall.
And what's interesting about that is, did you know that the Hoover Dam has tie-ins
to the Antichrist? Huh? Oh, yeah.

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Yeah. Damn. It's a dam dam.
Apparently there was a football team who supposedly had the picture of their mascot,
whom was a white goat,

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stretch over 420,000 square feet of the dam surface.
And there is a long-standing theory that the Hoover Dam contains references
to satanic ritual, and the biblical text suggests that the dam's destruction
will be the beginning of end times.
And was it really the harmless mascot for the football team,

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or was it a stand-in for Bahamut, the goat-headed idol of Satanism?
So very fucking interesting stuff there. I think I speak for the rest of our
listeners where I say, what?
Yes, exactly. Fine. So yeah, satanic connections. Sounds like somebody's pastors.
Watery graves. Dancing or something.

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Super, super crazy shit. So yeah, the Hoover Dam.
Apparently will fall at the, that will mark the beginning of the end time.
You heard it here first, folks. Mark it down on your calendar.
Yeah. Yeah, when you see that happen, we're all fucked.
Natural Nostradamus. I know. First of all, if you're going by biblical text,

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we won't be here. Yeah, we won't be here.
So, yeah. That's the Hoover Dam. That's the Hoover Dam. And that's Arizona, folks. So, overall.
Overall. Interesting state. It really is. Like, I thought there would be a lot
more cowboys and Indians, and there really wasn't. There really wasn't, yeah.
I think I was excited by the fact that there were. Right, right.
There was a little bit of like mining town stuff, but yeah, for the most part, not really.

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No, but I had a lot of fun looking up Arizona. Yeah, that was a good one.
Even though the first story that popped out to me was that one. I'm like, ooh, I got it.
And I was like, all right, let me see what else. See if something else.
And nah. Sometimes you just know what you want to do.
But yeah, I had fun with that one for sure. Mostly because like I kind of love
large construction projects and
things like that anyway. The Hoover Dam obviously has a lot of different.

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The clusterfuck? Little anecdotal stories like guys being buried in the concrete
and shit like that. Or being the fourth coming of the Antichrist. Exactly.
Exactly. Let's be honest. Joe and I know this more so than some of the listeners.
You just like anything that you can write seven pages of history about. Yeah.
Silence is golden i can't i can't really i can't really deny that i have to be honest

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i was actually kind of waiting for you to deny it yeah
i was like let me see where she goes with this no i very
much appreciate the fact
that and i don't think this is just
my opinion i feel like this is an actual fact you don't
have ghost stories without history no no i'm agreeing with right so i very much

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appreciate the history of ghost stories no all that was is her trying to redeem
title of historian that's all that was that's just i believe i'd say she did it.
No but the hoover dam is actually very interesting it's
it's just well not only that but
lake mead being tied to it and yeah over and

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you know i mean i've said this to you guys before like
i don't know if i've mentioned it so much on the podcast but
like so i drive around for work a lot and
it's it's not really tied into the paranormal but it
kind of is to like the lake mead story only because like in the last few years
it's like the end of summer hit like i've noticed that like lakes are way down

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like further than they've ever been like it's bad it's like super entire dock systems just
laying on a dirt mound out of the water because the lake just dried up that much.
And I'm sitting there thinking, my God, we need rain, you know?
Yeah. Well, I'll just keep a watch in the car. Hit us with some of that flood water.

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I don't, but I mean, that being said to touch on what you touched on towards
the end, there is the last couple of years, like.
Heard about the numerous bodies that
have been found in lake mead like it's grown
exponentially in the last i would say two to three years like

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every year they're like holy shit like finding people
in 55 gallon drums yeah yep and
it's common it happens a lot i'm pretty
sure that's what they'll find jimmy hoffa i wouldn't be
surprised he's he's not under this he's
not under the baseball field guys either way more often not
right it's weird it's just so interestingly

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enough also it's not one of the the normal seven
wonders of the world but it is one of the seven wonders
of the modern seven modern
civil engineering wonders there you
go civil engineering wonders so yeah yeah
i mean you got to sit there and wonder you know like a thousand years from

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now are they going to be like wow can you believe the technology these guys
had way back in like 19 fucking or are they
going to be like how the fuck did they build that because i mean pyramids just
saying right and we won't know until 2 000 years from now so the reality is
us three sitting at fable we'll never know not in this lifetime nope a little

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fun fact about it also is like during During World War II,
the Nazi regime actually- Planned on blowing up the Hoover Dam.
Went through and had a whole plan. Had a whole plan. Thank you, Christ.
Dude, if that happened, if that dam ever actually busted, oh my God,
there would be so many deaths.
It would be a fucking Greek tragedy.

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That's why there's an army base nearby. Exactly.
So, nevertheless, Arizona, we had a blast. Yep.
So next week We don't have to worry About a steak Because next week Is the round
table And we got a juicy one Oh dude It's going to be ridiculous It's going to be a thick,
Dirty Sewed I'm apologizing already For it We're going to hear this go off There's

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going to be Arguments There's going to be There's going to be Tears Laughter,
Disbelief And blood and guts A lot of giggling Yeah Mostly,
Mostly just to be fair Like up until this point We're taking a hard Left turn
off Of the paranormal Stuff that we usually talk about.
We're walking away from ghost stories for a moment and getting into another

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interesting portion of the paranormal world.
UFOs. Gets me all hot and bothered.
UFOs. Alien life. Extraterrestrials. He's saying that just to get.
Ladies and gentlemen i want you to know that i am sitting here at
this table outnumbered right now it is two
to one these guys think i'm full of shit i don't

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think you're full of shit i kind of think i'm full of shit but i'm
also like there's no way there's that much space and nothing exists out
there and i'm sweet
i i have i have a
lot of stories from a lot of different from perspectives i've got
my own person yeah i actually i actually have had
a what i would consider a ufo sighting as well which is

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hilarious considering i'm the one outnumbered here and unidentified it doesn't
mean aliens unidentified flying object does not mean alien life all right first
dude saw a bird didn't know what the fuck it was guess what that's considered
a ufo and it's now a bird first dude did a mushroom probably died i don't i'm
just saying possibly that's That's another story, but.

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That's a different episode. That's a fallacy story. So yeah,
next week is going to be our round table about UFOs, extraterrestrials,
and the like. It's going to be a blast.
Oh, it will be. I'm looking forward to it. And working up to the round table,
I would actually like everyone who is hearing this to spread the word.
And if you yourself have ever seen a UFO or had any type of experience at all

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with what you believe to be a UFO or an extraterrestrial being,
I want to know because I just want to know.
And at least one of us sitting at this table will not think you're crazy.
Hold on. That was a dick. I got to respond.
I still will not think you're crazy. see I'll listen to your story and I will
take full you know I'll listen I'll be open to it I'll listen to anything you

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have to say because I am not a Neanderthal yeah I'm not an asshole either I
just go in there at all but just be ready for some rebuttal that's.
I will listen. I will understand. I will not think you're crazy because what
you see is what you saw. There is no judgment at this table.
Let's think of this, guys. So you can seriously sit there and tell me,

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like, I saw an alien or I was abducted onto an alien spacecraft or whatever
your story might be. Did you go camping?
And I'm going to be like, OK, cool, because I saw ferries at a national park.
Mark, there is zero that I can say about alien abductions when I saw fairies.
Joe and I saw an Apache while we were camping, or it sounded like an Apache.

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Yeah, I think it was actually an Apache.
No, I will go on record as saying I believe in fairies more than I believe in aliens.
Well, all's I'm saying is that the pot ain't cold and the kettle black.
I saw fairies, and if you saw aliens, cool.
You don't have to believe me. I don't have to believe you but we can still find

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common ground and have a great discussion.
That's going to be the fun part of next week. And that is what the human race is sorely missing.
That discussion part. Yeah. We'll get into that later.
Yeah. We don't have to agree. Also one thing that I will go ahead and bring
up and I will make of note so that you guys have two weeks to prepare for the next state.
I have already selected the next state. Oh my god. I feel like the last two

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or three we have selected in like dreams of
grandeur or being like hey these are some states where there should
be some big shit and don't get me wrong they didn't let us down no so you've
already looked some stories up and what do you got but no i didn't look any
stories up yet but i am picking the most random state where you're like probably
not gonna find anything there but i just want to be graciously surprised awesome

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you know what i mean okay delaware let's do delaware yeah i see yeah delaware,
we're just like the fuck's in delaware that's exactly what i was talking about
you know what No offense, Delawareans.
Chances are really fucking good we're going to get bombarded and we're going to be like, everything.
Everything is in Delaware. Everything is in Delaware. If you've noticed in the
podcast, that normally happens. I know, right? Right.

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You know, one of those things, like we did Nevada, then we did Alaska,
then we did Arizona. These things are all like known for super,
supernatural activities.
You know what I mean? Then we're going to get to Delaware. I'm like, holy crap.
I'm like, we have two states right now that are so super under the radar where
you're like, are we even going to find anything?
Apparently. Uh-oh. And I just typed in Delaware paranormal, just in Google,

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just to get kind of a thing of what's going on.
And one of the things that popped up is paranormal pizza in Delaware, Ohio.
Nice. All right. Well, that's probably a different episode.
I know. It is. But I just want to find out. We can definitely visit and get
some pizza. Yes, let's do a roundtable about paranormal food. Paranormal food.
I'm a foodie. I dig that. That's a good one.

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But no, ladies and gentlemen, we've got two states in our list of 11 states
left that are just like, you know, I read over them. Don't get me wrong.
I'm not thinking anything bad about you guys.
I'm just thinking, what the hell are we going to find here? that we can't find everywhere else.
Yeah, and to state it, I kind of think that about every state.
Like, what the fuck am I going to find here? It's not a dig.

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It's just like, what am I going to get? I love every bit of it,
and I'm going to have phone, and I think it's amazing. Those two states are Delaware and Nebraska.
All right? And seriously, find me on LinkedIn.
Our LinkedIn page is growing by leaps and bounds.
I am getting five, six, seven new connections literally every single day.

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From really interesting, amazing people all across our planet.
I love it so much being able to connect with so many people for lots of reasons,
but mostly because I just love hearing other people's stories.
I'll be straight up honest with you.
When we started this whole endeavor and we started the whole social media platforms
and all this, I didn't in my wildest dreams assume that LinkedIn was going to

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be the one that was like, hey, this. I'm like, what? Well, it's crazy.
I forgot about LinkedIn, actually. It's crazy, and I love it.
And ironically, it was kind of somebody that ran across this in LinkedIn that
kind of stoked the fire on this whole, like, let's do extraterrestrials for
the route table. Exactly, and I will be mentioning that as well.

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I've been talking more about that gentleman in the books that he has written
and the situation that he invested a lot of years researching.
So we'll talk about that next week. But yeah, for now, No Lights Paranormal, we are on LinkedIn.
No Lights Paranormal at Facebook. book you can contact us at no lights paranormal
at gmail.com and then of course we're on twitter at no lights para so et next

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week delaware the week after that arizona we love you don't swim in lake mead
and don't fuck with the babiaga your phone home have a good one.