Heritage Foundation's Daniel Flesch on Project Esther, Combating Antisemitism & Israel's Future

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, good evening, and welcome to of the people. Make
no mistake, we are witnessing history unfold in real time.
In just the past few days, five days, only five
days to be exact, Israel has carried out one of
the most consequential military operations in not just the twenty

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first century, but including the twentieth century, a direct defensive
strike against Iran's nuclear weapons program and the key military
and scientific masterminds behind it.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
This was not just an operation.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
This was a line drawn in stone, a message to
every tyrant, every terror regime, and frankly, every cowardly appeaser
in the West that the game has changed and the
fifty year fantasy that diplomacy alone could contain evil has
finally and thankfully collapsed. Israel's mission, Operation Rising Lion, has

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made the world a safer place. By striking Iran, the
world's leading state sponsor of terrorism, Israel didn't just protect
its own people, It defended global stability around the world.
It stood between civilization and chaos, and it reminds every
free nation what moral courage actually looks like. Finally, because

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for decades, we've watched the international community tiptoe around Tehran,
signing worthless agreements, ignoring the red lines and pretending you
can reason with a genocidal regime, which you cannot. Israel
didn't wait, they acted, And because Israel acted, the world

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now has a real shot not at another round of
hollow peace talks, but actual, lasting peace. What the Israeli
people have done, the bravery, the resilience, the clarity of purpose,
is nothing short of heroic. Let's not forget they're still
recovering from the horrors of October seventh. There are still

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hostages being held in Gaza, and they're still surrounded by
enemies on all sides. And Lord knows that they are
still demonized in global forums and the media and countries
around the world. And yet in face of all of that,
Israel stood taught, and they fought not just for themselves,
but for all of us, and for Western values, for

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decency and for life. And as history watches, one truth
becomes undeniable, and that is that Prime Minister Benjamin net
Yahoo has now secured his place as one of the
great leaders of the modern West, alongside Churchill, Fdr and Reagan.

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He will be remembered as the man who saw the
storm coming and had the strength to stop it in.
Joining us tonight with an insider's per is someone who
has lived this fight firsthand, first as an IDEAF paratrooper
and now as their strategic voice leading Heritage's Project Esther.

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That's Daniel Flesh, who understands not just the military stakes,
but the deeper cultural and civilizational fight. Israel is caring
for all of us, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
This is a new era.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
The illusion of safety through surrender is over, and what
rises in its place is a new standard of courage
and Israeli leed stand for freedom that just might inspire the.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
World to follow. Stay with us.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Daniel Flesh joins us live right after this, and we

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are back, and we are live and joining us Daniel Flesh,
Good evening, my friend.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Good evening to you both. Great to be here.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I am thank you for making the time.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
I cannot imagine how busy your days and your nights are,
especially I know how little sleep I've been getting. I
can't imagine how little sleep you've been getting, you.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Know, my true though, I haven't stopped smiling since Thursday evening.
I mean it's been it's We are truly a momentous
period here, not just for the Jewish people, not just
for the State of Israel, but Western civilization. We could
talk all about this, but this is really quite a moment,
and all signs are point in the right direction. This
is really momentous.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
And as I said in the monologue, it is amazing
to me that it's only five days. I mean, you know,
the sixth Day War, the sixty seven war. You look
and you didn't think you could be any more successful
right between you know, Egypt and Syria in the in
the in the six.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Day six day war.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Look at everything that Israel has accomplished in five days.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I am in awe.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, And you know, interesting comparison. Obviously, historical comparisons are
always some level of commonalities, some inaccuracy, but like that
was on its borders, not not reaching a country ten
times its size and in population and even larger in
terms of the area, but two thousand kilometers away, twelve
hundred miles fife hundred miles away, and also an enemy.

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In nineteen sixty seven, Egypt, Georgian and Syria, their designs
were against the State of Israel. Today, the Islamic Republic
of Iran's designs are against effectively everybody and it's only Israel,
and you know, God willing, if it's right, the United
States as well, that is leading the fight to the Mullas.
So it's really quite an amazing thing we're saying.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
I have to admit, when I saw the Israeli planes
being refueled over Iranian airspace, I was like, oh, that
is just like when you're mocking your enemy, you know
what I mean, Like, just oh, look at it, we're
just up here chilling.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
Haha.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, it's really it's you never thought you'd see kind of.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
I was speaking to some in Israelis and they're saying, yeah,
we look down at our battle plans, we see just
over running airspace. All we see are either Israeli drones
or fixing aircraft. We don't see any you know, Iranian aircraft.
And this is this is one of the most remarkable
things as well. We should kind of think about in
the kind of a grand strategy perspective, is what actually

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the capabilities of our enemies. For years, Iran was held
up as this vaunted formidable force in some ways, very
much so it was as of at least October sixth,
twenty twenty three. But now, I mean, if this war
happened in October six, twenty twenty three, it'd be very
different and Israelis know that, and that's a part why
it's happening now, so you don't get back to a

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position in the future where Iran's able to reconstitute its
blistic missile capacity and actually launched that large salvo of
not fifty missiles, not one hundred, but three hundred, four
hundred that really does overwhelm Israel's air defenses. But you're
not seeing that today because a lot of what Israel's
done in the last twenty plus months and it's like

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it's to the point of, okay, if they're actually more
of a paper target than we thought. You know, in
Russia also has not been able to swallow up Ukraine
in over three years. You know, what does it say
about our enemies and what does it say about Western hardware?
It's incredible.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Wow. Well, you know the other thing though, that I
want to bring up, because you've we heard murmurs of
it in different parts of the press, was Israel's ability
to pull off this surprise, but also the Masad's ability
to set up a drone based inside Iran to have
these mobile units going inside Ironto to take their you know,

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their defenses down. And let's not forget that the sorty
that Israel flu was it eight months ago, also took
out some of the air defenses. So I'm not so
sure it is such a commentary about the lack of
Iran's prowess as much as it is extolling Israel's ability,

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the Massad's ability, the ideafs ability of which you were
a power trooper right.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
To really the surprise.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Element, the ability to build a base inside your enemy's country.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah, we're hearing report, we're hearing the more information about
what we're exactly we're talking about.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
It.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Evidently the Masade had begun infiltrating or sending these equipment
into Iran as late back as I heard two thousand
and three, maybe mid two thousands timeframe to set up
this kind of drone manufacturing production capability and just you know,
not that it was collecting dust. But really you're starting
to really play the long game and think about, Okay,

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when's the moment we actually can't activate this capability. And
you know, similar analogy is the Pager operation against Hesbola
we saw last fall that Israel had over many years
and more recently many months, but many years thought about
how do we infiltrated terrorist organization to activate a capability
if and when we need it, And certainly, you know,

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I'm not going to try to take any feather out
of the hat of the idea for the Israelis from this,
there's many storylines to go. But also one of the
most more amazing things I think in some ways in
the Massad operation, although is a parallel to that, is
on the first night Israel gods. So one thing they've
been doing not only hitting these nuclear facilities, these serviced
air missile sites and these incontinental really medium range ballistic

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missile launching pads, but also going after the leadership of
the regime, the command and control, basically the generals, And
what they were able to do in the first night is,
first off, they targeted many people literally in their homes,
in their beds and apartment buildings. There's images of you know,
of a missile, of a hole in the wall of
the missile hitting just that specific apartment building. But more joy,

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the amazing thing, one amazing thing they pulled off was
getting eight key military figures in a room together and
as I understand it. They did that because they had
placed phone calls to these individuals by whomever that the
targets understood it. They received this phone call you need
to go somewhere at a certain time, and they were

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coaxed into this military basis facility that Israel had ensure
they all got through the same time and took them
out when they were there, but not just took them
out when they were there, took them out when they
were there, and no one else with the commander control
structure knew that. And so they would take out all
the other individuals in their beds effectively within probably within
the hour, which is really the same time, and do

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that across western Iran with attacking the launcher sites. The
simultaneity of this operation is incredible. There's many things to
impact there and even much more. But everything about this
operation the last five days it's only been five days,
suggests that Israel has been playing this for a very
long time. They've got their ducks in a row, and

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they did not initiate this without having multiple backup plans
or other things up their sleeve that I'm sure we've
not even seen yet.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
That's amazing to me, and so did I hear you
correctly that the Massade has been planning for at least
a strategic option inside and around for over twenty years.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Probably longer frankly, but we just we just we know
that this particular capability with being able to and so
more of what you're talking about is on the first night,
Israel had pre positioned inside Iran drones to launch from
their location, probably not travel very far, maybe a few kilometers,
and hit specific missile launching paths, either air defense missiles

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or offensive missiles. Because I did is basically paved the
way for Israeli jets to fly over running airspace more unimpeded,
you know, in a stafer environment. And they had developed
that capability. Again, we're we might not know officially for
some time, but we're hearing sometime in the early to
mid two thousands they started planning for this.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Interesting so.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Erica pull up the ones. So you know, social media
is where everyone gets their news now, whether it's Twitter
or whatever. So this is something that I saw in
terms of where we are in terms of Operation Rising Lion,
and this is I believe if somewhere on there in
lower left hand corner, this was as of a day ago,
maybe or two days ago. This is the combined result
so far, not only what Israel has been able to

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accomplish against Iran, but what the attacks and retaliation against
Israel which have caused damage and death as well. I
find it not surprising but just makes me angry. So
Israel was very strategic and surgical in their strikes military
because military against military, even under the Geneva Convention is
fair game, right, But you don't target civilians. Now, maybe

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it's because Iran's capabilities either were compromise or they just
didn't have the surgical abilities.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
But they're really hitting civilians in Israel, are they not?

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Absolutely? And they're intentionally doing that. So to back up
a little bit you mentioned eight months ago. So last year,
in April of last year, was the first time that
Iran initiated attack directly on Israel. And I say directly
because they've used their proxies Hamas has Blood, the Houtis
and others to attack Israel. Socus the first time in

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the Zambk Republic's history a direct attack from Iranian territory
onto Israeli territory. That was a attack last April which
featured drones cruise MISSISA blistic missiles, and then and Israel
responded to that, and then again in October, Israel sorry
Iran attacked again. Both those attacks were largely against the

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ones that actually entered Israeli airspace and ones that actually
got through air defenses. They targeted military bases, particularly air
basis strategic sites. The same thing. On the first line
of this attack Thursday evening Friday morning local time, there
was largely again intending military strikes, military sites. Excuse me,
but ever since it's been predominantly, if not exclusively, civilian.

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That's why they're targeting Tel Aviv. And the only reason
you might want to target Tel Aviv is because the
Ministry of Defense is there. But again, if you take
out that building, which you're really not going to, that
does not preclude, not impede, the idea of its ability
to launch back and respond. It's been just against civilian
sites because Iran's ability right now that the way that
they get out of this, if they're seeking to get
out of this, is essentially afflict sufficient damage on Israel

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that either the Israeli public turns against its leadership, which
is not really going to happen at least in this
regard or that the US gets involved and says okay,
Israel stop. And so they're targeting the civilians because also
they don't have enough missiles to wage a long campaign.
And the importance thing that Isla's been doing over the
last number of years and really the last twenty months,

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and we saw last year last year of this two
strikes was take out Iran's ballistic missile arsenal to the
extent that it can, and particularly in October. One thing
they destroyed was a production facility that produces these missiles,
and so Iran right now had X number missiles on
October six of twenty twenty three, it's x minus now
and so right now, going to this war, it was

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estimated about a couple thousand, maybe two thousand, most of
which for the thousands more than a short range that
can target US sites in the Gulf, but they can
reach Israel about two thousand, and everyone they fire is
one less missile they have. Not to mention Israel's offensive
capabilities are taking out more launchers, which the bottleneck. You
could have as many missiles as you want. They got

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to fire from something. So you take out the launchers,
then you have basically a hunk of metal. So it's
a calculus, and so it's basically a numbers game. How
many how many missiles does Iran have left? And considering
and thinking consideration, if they fire anything fewer than like
seventy missiles or eighty or one hundred missiles, Israeli predominantly

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and you support air interceptors can take them out, which
means don't get through.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
So basically they have to like brage, they have to
send like lots and lots of them to override the
dome and the sling and the things.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
The dome, the sling in the arrow exactly. Yeah, that's
what it is. And so Iran's thinking, Okay, we might
have one good Now at this point, we're five days in,
we might have one good salvo left. Do we do that?
If that's the case, then we have no more offensive
capability because Hesblo has already said we're not joining and
they have no other proxy, or do we still do?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
I want to stop you.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
I want to say, what does it say that hes
Bolah says we're not joining?

Speaker 3 (16:42):
I mean, this is I mean I can't And just
so what hes Blow was to Iran is its favored
proxy organization and number one, number one right, it's tens
of billions of dollars over the years, if not more,
building supplying capabilities to this productimorization that sits in Lebanon,

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in southern Lebanon, across the border. When I was a soldier,
I served on the northern border of Israel, and we
saw a Hesbela outpost there. I mean, we saw them,
they're right there. Wow. But what hesbl was for Iran
predominantly was not only kind of a damoicly sword hanging
over Israel saying, you know, if you do something, we're
gonna initiate. But if Israel or the United States wherever

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to go after Iran's nuclear program as we're seeing now,
then Iran would say to Hesbela, Okay, you have two
hundred thousand plus missiles and rockets at least ten percent
of them, that's two thousand projectiles coming into Israel. Then
no system, no sling arrow or dome can't stop that.

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And that's what Israel's been contending with for the past,
you know, from October eighth when they joined the war
with Kamas, to effectively last September last fall, when has
Blood sued for a ceasefire. Effectively, they were taking out
those capabilities nine through the pager operation Operation Northern Arrows,
where they targeted all of those launching facilities, which are
often in homes in southern Lebanon. So to your point,

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Iran spent billions of dollars investing in this terror proximorization
that the proximorizations. I read somewhere they sent an email
saying sorry, we had to sit this one out. So
what again? Came back to My first comment was to
say about the weakness of our enemies and the strength
of the West. That's part of it. And so Iran
is as exposed as they've ever been. They cannot call

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upon their second strike capability, and they're leftist to face
Israel and maybe the United States alone. This is why
not stopped smiling since Thursday night.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
I okay, I have a personal question to ask. Okay,
so you said you were stationed like on the wall
where the.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Has beloved against the White Walkers.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Okay, what you know most Americans cannot even identify with
what it's like to live in a place where you
basically could get a bomb dropped on you like at
any minute. Yeah, what is that what can you just
share a little bit about what life is like in

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Israel when you know that there's like everything is always
on a razor's edge.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
It's it's very different than America for good and bad reasons.
It's bad that you're living in this kind of environment
where literally everyone wants to kill you, and and and
with Iran has been saying for years, we're going to
try to kill you, and it's been developing these proxy
that work to kill you, this missile capacity to kill you,
this nuclear program to kill you, and the rest of
the world says, oh, it's not don't worry about They're

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not serious. Yeah we know. But what it means it
makes things very personal and very real. And I mean
by that as personal is when you're being attacked. Your
home might not be hit, but your friend's home is,
or you know someone who was. You're you're no more
than one, maybe two, at most three degrees away from
someone who has a very who is directly impacted by

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the by whatever attack it is. It's very small country,
that's number one. So you're you're really going to war
for your brothers and your sisters literally. And the second
thing is very real because it makes you really appreciates
sacrifice and the and the you know, Israel last year
was ranked the top five happiest countries in the world.

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And this is the big issue we have in the West.
More broadly is Israel. Israelis, they know what they're fighting for.
And the question should be asked of the West and
individual countries, what are you? What are we fighting for?
And because this is a moment of what this is
a trial for Western civilization right now, specifically with Israel
and Iran, and since October seventh, the more broadly with

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anti Semitism. Sure we'll get to and Israelis absolutely know
what they're fighting for. And that's why call up rates
after October seventh were over one hundred percent. That's why
right now, you know Ben Goorian Airport is closed down.
You've over sixty thousand Israelis who are stuck outside of
is don't want to get back to come back, right
And what other country when it's at war if people

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want to re turn home to be home. I mean,
that's it's incredible, and so we should out look to
replicate that the United States because we're just different countries,
different societies, different cultures. That's fine, but we can learn
from it, certainly.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Well, I love that.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
I love that, and we can also you know, we're
going to learn about the Esther project.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Well before we take the break, er, I want to
bring up one more thing, you got it?

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Because the other thing I think is.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
We have to now focus on Prime Minister net Yaho, right,
And I mean I can say this because it's my show,
I mean balls of Steel right at a time where
and it doesn't because I want to play a little
bit of the speech that he gave to the you know,
to Israel and the Israeli people in the world, wasn't
really covered here in the media, right, So I want

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to play this for you, and we we've cut it
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
It's the seven or eight minutes. I think we've got
to do a couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
I want to play this because because to me, it
elevates him to I don't want to be overly grandiose,
but your Chilean status to see the threat, to address
the threat, and you know the country is now obviously
unified behind him. Erica, Let's roll this, and I want
to get Daniel's take on this.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
Just wave at me if you want me to come
back at any point. Okay.

Speaker 6 (22:24):
Moments ago, Israel launched Operation Rising Lion, a targeted military
operation to roll back the Uranian threat to Israel's very survival.
This operation will continue for as many days as it
takes to remove this threat. For decades, the tyrants of
Tehran have brazenly openly called for Israel's destruction. They've backed

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up their genocidal rhetoric with a program to develop nuclear weapons.
In recent years, Iran has produced enough highly enriched uranium
for nine Adam bombs. Nine last year, Iran fired three
hundred ballistic missiles at Israel. Each of these missiles carries
a ton of explosives and threatens the lives of hundreds

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of people. Soon, those missiles could carry a nuclear payload,
threatening the lives not of hundreds, but of millions. Iran
is gearing up to produce ten thousands of those ballistic
missiles within three years.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Now.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
Just imagine imagine ten thousand tons of T and T
landing on a country the size of New Jersey. The
hardest decision any leader has to make is thwart the
danger before it is fully materialized. Nearly a century ago,
facing the Nazis, a generation of leaders failed to act

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in time. They were paralyzed by the horrors of World
War One. They were determined to avoid war at all costs,
and they got the worst war ever. They adopted a
policy of appeasement. They closed their eyes and ears to
all the warning signs. That failure to act resulted in
World War Two, the deadliest war in history. It claimed

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the lives of sixty million, including six million Jews, a
third of my people. After that war, the Jewish people
and the Jewish State vowed never again. Well never again
is now?

Speaker 5 (24:29):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
That to me, Daniel, is a speech that over time, right,
you never know what you have in the time. Lincoln's
presidency was considered a failure until there was a perspective
of fifty years gone by that they understood he kept
the Union together Prime minister who saw the storm and
he acted right? How is he viewed now? Because I

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know a month ago, several years you know, there was
and there was a judicial you know about the judiciary.
There was the ultra orthodoxtion in the military, is the unit?
Is there really unity now in Israel? Towards him and
towards this response.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
A little too soon to tell, but it's definitely widespreading
support for this war against Iran. That's very clear because
Israeli people realize this, it's not a Likud or other problem.
You know, the problem they're trying to solve. This is
not in this governing coalition or the you know, the opposition.
This is Israeli problem, and there is widespread support for this.

(25:29):
Does not mean that he gets a pass on on
Gaza or domestic issues, but certainly on this there's a
recognition that is the Jewish state acting and not any
one political party. And you know, if you if you
read into his speech, it's a very I mean, it's
very good. He's also kind of talking to himself in
a way, because you know what if he had acted,

(25:50):
he the Prime Minister, or anyone had acted differently against Hamas.
What if they had attacked Hamas in October sixth, you
know what if then the second largest second, that the
second the most out of these day for the Jewish
people since the Holocaust would not have happened. Of course,
you could say, well, no signs they were going to
do something. Of course there were signs, but okay, you know,

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no leader ever got a free pass on initiating military
operations preemptively in some ways. You know, in the Sixth
Day War it was kind of clear and the next day,
you know, the Egyptian tanks try to go into Israel
after their air force was destroyed. But just to say
he's also probably thinking, well, you know, he's shown since
October seventh, really incredible leadership, not only for the first

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what was it fourteen or so months against the Biden administration,
I do really say against the Biden administration, but also
to initiate the Pager operation where you had a user
to lose it situation we've come to learn against Hesbola
to also be able to strike back against Iran in
April and October they kind of had to happen, but
also doing a calculate a way that wouldn't elicited in
greater response from the Iranians. Everything's been really kind of

(26:56):
quite remarkable. And as you said before you showed the clip,
he admires even idolizes Churchill, I think, and he sees
himself very much as an active player in history in general,
and Jewish history in particular. His scholar was a historian,
and so he sees his role. And I was talking
to a colleague earlier, I was thinking, what if this
never happened right now, and what if you know, there

(27:17):
was no war with Iran right now? YadA, YadA, And
on his dying you know, on his deathbed, when Natiner
think I should have done something against Iran. So in
many ways this might be providential. But this was a
moment that he was created for, I think in some ways,
and he also created himself. He's recognized this existential threat
to the Jewish people, as he said, getting Erica, You're

(27:39):
comment earlier about Iranian missiles overwhelming Israeli defenses. As he said, clearly,
in the next few years, they're going to have ten
thousand missiles that can reach is Or right now it's
a couple thousand, it's gonna be ten thousand. So even
if you don't have a war a nuclear warhead on those,
he still ten thousand missiles coming to destroy US.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
And that and it doesn't matter, you know, it does
not matter if it's nuclear or not. We don't need
to see anything more. I think that was really good explanation.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Wow, yeah, I'm not happy.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
No, yeah, no, okay, wait wait wait one you brought
up the pagers brought up the pagers.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
WHOA I want to ask questions?

Speaker 2 (28:17):
You can ask questions.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Go ahead, No, it's okay, I have a silly question.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I'll say, well, I have a not so silly question.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
But but you brought up the pagers, and I'm hearing,
you know a little bit on social media and some
of some background that Israel is to still a few surprises,
and they're using the word surprise. We still have a
few surprises that are going to make the pager technology
look like child's play.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Any idea what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I think one thing we've learned from Israel, the idea
of massage whomever of the last twenty months is be
prepared to be surprised, be prepared. And Israel had to
go into this war nothing in particular knowing that they
might get no support active engagement from the United States.
Of course, allowing Israel in some ways to do this

(29:03):
is supporting and President Trump, it's a really great day
that we were recording this. We didn't plan this, obviously,
we scheduled this a few months ago. But this morning,
earlier today, President Trump made it very clear that he
is fully It hasn't been clear the last five days.
His fully supportive Israel. The question we are facing right
now as we record this is is the US can
get actively involved with initiating operations, and that's remained unconditional

(29:25):
surrender condition.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Threader and tweet you want, you want my you want
my guests, I'll give you a guess.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Sure, My.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
My guess is because everybody's now talking about Florida, right,
which is you know they got inntons in terms of
the nuclear creuter is destroyed, but Florida is what three
hundred yards underground or whatever it is?

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, oh, and the only way to.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Get it is the bunker busters, which supposedly only the
US has. And you just saw something on social media
that Israel put out a statement that with or without
US has help, we're going after FOD.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
I think that's your next technological or your next surprise.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Right, So this I was going to say that Israel
did not, So this was objective largely. I forget if
it's been stated clearly, but in this war is to
basically remove the existential threat from Iran to Israel. Now,
well that's done permanently versus pushed off. Different story, but
it means you might have to get ferdoh or you
don't have to because you get the missiles and lose

(30:25):
the capability to launch them, then that's putting it off
as well. And not to match, you destroy the you're
destroying the tons, you destroy isfahan, which which transfers from uh,
the enrichment to the basically the yellow cake, that transfers
it into a different kind of substance to make it
weaponize it. If you destroy many of these facilities without
getting fod oh, you've done some you know, pushed it
back significantly. But I don't think this is would have

(30:47):
gone to this war without having a plan if the US,
like I said, is not getting involved. So you know,
we didn't imagine and not to mention last April, Israel's
response to that first attack was very mute. It actually
it was more of a signaling thing because what they destroyed,
if I recall correctly, was a radar installation by one

(31:07):
of these enrichment sites. I forget which one right now,
And it's like you launched you Iran launched upwards of
three hundred drones, crews and ballistic missiles at US, and
all we're doing back is this one thing. But it
sent two messages one is a we can reach you.
We can reach you into Tehran. Now, Israeli dress were

(31:29):
not flying in Iran at the time. They were in October,
but not then. And two, evidently they used a new
capability that no one's ever discovered before, essentially attaching a
ballistic missile to a plane I mean talking about your
all time standoff weapon and launching it I think fifteen
hundred or one thousand kilometers from Iran, which ballistic missiles
are only launched from basically launchers or its like. Yeah,

(31:51):
and so they were able to do that, which again
says the Iranians, we can reach you, and we can
reach you with capabilities that even the United States is
not maybe you know, does not know about.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Okay, this is maybe.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Like a naive question, but does the United States really
have to get involved? Couldn't we just like sell the
Israelis some weapons?

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Does that count as getting involved?

Speaker 2 (32:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Well, you can look at that, and if you want
to look at it that way, we're already involved because
it's Israelis a US Maine jets that Israelis are flying
into Iran at fifteens, at sixteens and f thirty five.
So it's largely US hardware bombs and stuff they're using, right,
I mean, to your point, can they can they sell
what Rob's referring to this big bomb? And yes they can.

(32:36):
I've heard it put out there that maybe you know,
so there's a couple big bombs essentially one that really
you can only use what's called the B two bomber
stealth bomber to use. And people have said, well, put
a put Israeli pilots in that plane. There's no way
the United States can put a foreign pilots and a
two billion dollar piece of hardware. Yeah, it's not. It's

(32:57):
not like going from even I don't know, you drive,
having a camera to driving a corvette. It's still it's
it's like you need to learn a whole new thing.
It takes weeks or months. No, no, but but but Dereka,
it's a very good question about it is about what
kind of keep those can provide the Israelis to help
them do the job, and the answers we've largely already
done that and the main thing to do is keep
helping them shoot down incoming Iranian missiles, which we're doing.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
So what I mean, what happens if we engage like,
what does that actually mean?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Well, what it means is my phone's blowing up with
talking about social media updates. So the the one that,
if you recall, on Thursday night, Marco Rubis Secretory Rubial
put out a statement set Israel's acting unilaterally and do
not attack us. And people interpret that statement as people
on the left, oh, look, Trump administration is leaving Israel

(33:47):
out to dry, They're isolating that, blah bah blah, And
I'm like, no, making it clear this is an Israeli operation.
That's fine, and it's also important for Israel and Zionism,
the Jewish state for it to be in Israelian operation.
I wish, I wish we lived in a world so
round about way to getting your question, but I wish
we lived in a world where the threat that Ron
pose is there was a galvanized Western force to say

(34:08):
we're done with this, and over a weekend that's it. Israel,
the United States, the Europeans all that we're done. We're
not going to stand up for this. We don't live
in that world. Obviously, live in a world where Macrone
wants to penalize Israel for defending itself. But what it
looks like. So one of the reason that Rubio did
that first off not to escalate immediately as well, because
one thing Iran can do is kind of up its

(34:29):
sleeve as a backup or a you know, pull rip
chord for you know, last ditch effort. Is it has
upwards of eight thousand short range missiles that can launch
and strike different sites around the Gulf. This includes US
air bases and naval bases and basically personnel embassies and
perhaps more importantly for the broader global economy, oil refining facilities.

(34:53):
Most of the energy in the world, the natural gas
and oil comes out of the straight up horor moves,
so all of that is up for grabs. And one
thing that they can do now is target against you
again US assets in the area, target foreign assets again
golden back to Saudi oil fields, to try to draw
in the United States if need be, or have the

(35:14):
United States say you know what Israel stopping or doing
because we can't we can't put up with this, and
we're seeing right now indications they might be thinking about
that because Ron's running out in missiles. They saw the
statements from President Trump Roler today even like Hammanie, must
you know, he knows, he said, he said, he knows
where he is, and he can take him out any time.
He'll survive for right now, but things are escalating, all

(35:35):
in the right direction. Remains to see what the Ronnians do.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
By the way, the chatter, because you and I are
tuned into some of the same sources, is that two
US Air Force be two stealth bombers are airborne as
we speak.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
That's the least. That's the chatter I'm seeing.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
I will say the.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
Two bomber, so I want my bomber in the second Amendment.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Is right funny for Erica, I do want to roll
the break because I do want to shift to domestic
and I want to talk about National Task Force to
combat Anti Semitism that Daniel heads, because that's also important
on the domestic front.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
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Speaker 4 (36:12):
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Speaker 1 (36:18):
And for those of our listeners or viewers who are
paying close attention, yes, that was Daniel.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
In one of the cameos.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Were happy to have had your help on the inaugural event.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
We're have another one coming up. This fall.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
But I want to turn towards Project Ester, which you
are ahead of at Heritage's National Task Force to Combat
Anti Semitism. And here's where I want to tee this off. Right,
we all know that anti Semitism has exploded, you know,
even before October seventh, but certainly after October seventh, and
the Antifada is here in this country, no.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Question, right.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
But I had you know when my assistants look up
all the negative press and misinformation that's out there about
Project Dester, much like Project twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Five, which got you know, Blackpool.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
I mean, just the amount of lies and missing from
intentional misinformation is amazing. The New York Times, you know,
the Trump supporting Christians accusing Jews of anti Semitism. It's
this one says overreach the there's an article on the
forward that just basically you know that basic Project Dester
proposes a public private plan dismantling domestic group that supports

(37:29):
Palestinian writes AMA Support Network, And I mean they go
after the factor and virtually no Jewish author. I mean,
it's just what is Project Dester? Why is it so important?
And in all disclosure to our listeners, I am part
of the National Task Force to Combat Anti Semitism. So
I have a dog in this hunt, but you're talking

(37:49):
to the guy that heads it up. I want to
let's put this out there, all.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Right, So, uh, the backstory real quick is uh. In
the days after October seventh, the Herid Foundation with a
number of other conservative organizations, Jewish, Christian and non got
together and said, we need to do something about the
explosion of anti Semitism that you saw really on October
seventh in the afternoon of and so they formed, as
you talk about, the National Task Force Combatity Semitism. And

(38:17):
last October, on the anniversary of the attack of the
Hamas's attack, we released Project Esther, which is a strategy
to combatity Semitism. And Project Esther really identifies the problem,
the anti Semitic PROBLEMI sing today as that of there's
an ecosystem and infrastructure that is carrying out and perpetrating

(38:38):
anti Semitic attacks, and more broadly than the attacks, but
creating an environment that is amenable to anti Semitism. So
what am I talking about? Basically, you have the idea
of you've mentioned the antifada, bringing the antifada, calling to
globalize Antifada or bring it here to American streets. Many
of the Americans might know of or heard of the Antifada.

(39:00):
It's really a horrific time period in Israeli and Palestine
history where Palestinians chose to engage in an indiscriminate murders
free against Israeli's Jews and kill everyone they could for
the belief that it would force them to leave the country,
that they would actually be able to topple or have
Israeli society crumble. And so we're seeing that being chanted

(39:22):
on American streets, and Project Esser seeks to roll that back.
And it's not just those useful idiots who are in
college campuses shouting these things. Because they are useful idiots,
they often don't know from which c which river to
which cea they're chanting to have Palestine be free. But
really it is their benefactors, the organizations that are supporting them,

(39:42):
because we see the ecosystem being you have significant donors
countries or organizations or individuals. They're providing funds to foundations
that give grants to organizations like Students for Justice in
Palestine within our lifetime, and others that are fighting those
useful foot soldiers. So we want to dismantle the organ
the organizations in the middle because as you separate the

(40:03):
means from the opportunity, then you can't carry out anti semitism.
And Project Esther is a strategy to do that. Now,
if you read that Project ester strategy, which it's live
on the on Heritage website, and also combat Antisemitism tf
dot org the task for ye if you read the strategy,
we actually do not define anti semitism per se. That's

(40:24):
the website. Thank you. We recognize it is not just
a Jewish problem, but it's an American problem because what
these people are doing is violating American civil liberties, among
other things. And what Project Esther does it says, it
says we have a problem in this country. How will
we go about combating it? And that problem right now
happens to be anti Semitism, but it doesn't have to

(40:45):
be exclusively. So does a public private partnership with different
organizations to go after this threat across the country and
multiple domains on the federal level, on the state level.
And the good news is we've been here before. We've
been here four ninety sevenitism. But we have a we
have a strategy and a plan to look back to,
and that is specifically the German American Booned, which gained

(41:08):
prominence in the nineteen thirties. It was basically a Nazi
sympathetic party here in America, and it was it gained
prominence and it had so I see my screen has frozen.
You see that as well?

Speaker 5 (41:23):
Yeah we can hear you. Okay, okay, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
You look, you'll look good frozen. Okay, you're preserved.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
It gained prominence here in America, and there was a
it was different individuals and organizations that push back against
this Nazi influence and basically expungeon of American society. And
we're sinking to do that again. You know, the KKK,
thank goodness, our persona on ground of this country, those
who shout pre Palestine Antifada, what we call the Hamas
support network, those organizations and visuals that are supporting Hamas

(41:52):
and not just Hamas. We don't want them to be
part of our society. And the goal last thing I'll
say right now as a goal is not to get
rid of anti Semitism, because that's effectively an unattainable goal.
It might be endemic in human society and nature. So
that's not our goal. But our goal is to address
the acute, immediate danger and threat that have killed Jews,

(42:13):
have killed non Jews, and more broadly than that, have
created environments where it's not just about the Jews. They're
going to come for all of what's and civilization and
the objective of these chanting defada it's not the Jews,
it's America. And this is why connects our conversation about
Israel about Iran, because the United States is the global
leader of the West. Israel is the tip of this

(42:34):
beer in the Middle East fighting Iran. But we have
a problem here at home as well.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
So I want to read let me tell me real quick.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Sorry, So there's an article, you know, I printed all
this stuff out right Washington Jewish Week that says the following,
And it's the misinformation and mischaracterization and intentional that gets
me angry in all of this. Right, I'm for a
vociferous debate in the public square, right, you know, in
the battle of ideas, Right, I think in the in
battle of which the other side is unarmed basically anyways,

(43:03):
But it says, while Project Esther claims to protect Jewish
communities and promote safe for public discords. Its actual scope
reveals a troubling agenda rather than measured approach to anti Semitism.
It functions as an ideological offensive, one that risks criminalizing
criticism of the Israeli policy, suppressing peaceful Palestinian activism, peaceful MIAs, sorry,

(43:27):
enforcing conformity across America. And they even go after the
fact like, how dare you invoke Esther? Invoking Queen Esther
to justify domestic crackdown a dissent is manipulative use of
sacred history to advance partisan agenda.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I mean, how do you vote that?

Speaker 3 (43:43):
But let me say a few things. One is, anti
SIMS is a problem. And so if an organization has
a new idea and not the same of the old
to how to fight it, why should we not be
supportive of that? And moreover, it's coming from an organization
does not typically been in this fight. So you're able
to meeting the Herriage foundation in the conservative movement. More broadly,

(44:04):
so why would you not want to engage new fighters
and new partners in this fight? And the idea that
it has to be written by Jews? I'm Jewish and
I'm helping lead this, and there's and and they're not
the quote unquote token or right Jews or Jewish organizations
are part of it. That does that shouldn't matter as well.
You know, the ADL has been around, established great organization.

(44:24):
Once upon a time I saw Jonathan green Blast, the
head of ADL. He gave an interview I think a
week ago or two weeks ago after the Boulder, Colorado
fire bombing attack, and he said, you know, Anti Simpson
has been growing for ten years. And I tweeted at him, like,
how long you've been in charge of the ADL years?
And this so point is and this is and there

(44:46):
are nothing in our Please I encourage everyone to read
it for themselves. Nothing in our strategy I think is objectionable.
It might be objectable to your politics if you're a
Rashida Talleed fan and the idea you love that one, yeah,
I'll send you the sweets.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
People don't hear themselves when they speak. I love it.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Well, they're viewing it through their politics and through and
it's like, why would you not want to find more
allies and partners and so at the Heritage Foundation. I
don't care. I want to list everyone I can this fight.
I don't care if you're a liberal or Democrat. It
doesn't matter to me because it's an American issue, and
so join me, join us. You know, at some point,

(45:27):
go far enough left, people are not gonna want to
be a part of it. Like, okay, nothing to do
about that. But the fact is we've got a problem,
and it's really almost exclusively on the left these days
and the idea, and you know that we if you
want to peacefully protest for Palestine by all means, unfortunately
we don't see that. It's like Joki doesn't shout free Palestine.

(45:48):
Palestinians in Palestinian towns, they don't shout free Palestine. They
do other things that are worse in many ways. But
they felt that to America like, well, yeah, they again
scentivized to try to kill you by the Palestine authority
or they're part of Hamas or other things. But again,
this is an American issue, So join us in the fight.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Yeah, okay, I have a non serious question. I have
to ask you.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
The March to Gaza, the International March to Gaza or
whatever it.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Was, Oh my gosh, yes, let's go here.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
That is I was so I was watching something on
that today and people there was literally a guy who
was like yelling at the police, being like, why can't
we be here? We can do this in America. Yeah,
And I was like, yo, bro, like my man, this
is not real.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
There are really there are a few things I want
to import from Egypt, but that there the response to
these protesters might be one of them. I mean, there's
so many things to say about this march to Egypt,
March the Gaza, and what you're referring to is, yeah,
you know, these holier than now Europeans flew into Egypt
and wanted to march across the Sinai or bus whatever

(47:02):
to get to Gaza to break this Israel, to break
the Israeli siege on Gaza from Egypt. And I I
tweet out to them, like glad these people are learning
geography even if they haven't learned morality, ethics are the
rules of war and and it's just this is talk
about entitled and your sense aside from your comment about

(47:22):
but you know we get it away with it in
the United States. Well that's to say something. But this
is another untold part of the story about Israel, about
the War of Hamas is Egypt's kind of border. In fact,
you know who does not want Hamas out of or
Palestinians out of Gaza more than Israel In some ways,
it's Egypt one hundred percent. Look at look at what

(47:43):
their border with with Gaza looks like a better one,
you know, pre October sent of Israel's border looks like
I mean, you'd think it was our southern border. Now
on steroids, my goodness, they don't want and there.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Is a wall. There is a wall there and it's
a big one. Yeah, yeah, it's a big one.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
So this, oh my gosh, Gretitu like a week before
her and there.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
We've been did you see the the pre taped hostage
video that if they had gotten oh we've been detained,
you know, but it never actually really happened, but they
released it anyway.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
And this is like all the stuff, it's all noise.
It's it's it's not good noise, but it's all noise.
So long as Israel is strong, and if Israel's not strong,
and if Iran really well not really, if i Ran
continued to threaten Israel, if Hezbo is still a faction,
then they'd be in. This would be an additional front

(48:39):
that would make things pretty scary. And it was that
way for a while after October seventh. But now we're
a different environment because is Isel's pushed back, fought back
for its survival and so, you know, the gratitude bergs
of the world. I couldn't really care less anyway, but
even more so now it's like, Okay, you're gonna do this.
It drives you up a wall in worse, but that's
fine because we don't take care because as the Jewish

(49:00):
state is strong.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Absolutely, So let's go back to the task force. Where
can they find the task force? How can they get involved? Yeah, Erica,
maybe we can bring up the actual website. I know
there's a on the about halfway down the website, there's
a place for people to sign up.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Yeah. So well, I'll be up front that we are
interested in people who want to take action. We are
not a social club for people to gather once a quarter,
once every month to talk about and pomoon how bad
ay Semitism is and it's this problem or that problem
and not do anything and tell your donors back home
that you know, we're part of this task force.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Well that that takes out about sixty percent of the
Jewish population.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
That very well of everyone.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Let's be like I mean to say, you know, I
want to bring up the name Sarah Milgramshrom. You're run Lashinski,
who were Israeli diplomats staff at the embassy. Sarah was
an American. They're both murdered outside Capitol Jewish Museum in Washington,
d C. A few weeks ago. The guy who did
that shot at Free Pala sign did it for this reason.

(50:07):
And the guy who firebond Jews protesting or walking in
support of hostages held in Gaza, he was. He's an
Egyptian national who overstated visa. He should not have been here.
It is those kinds of people we are going after.
So I don't have time for niceties. I have time
for people who want to take action. So go to

(50:28):
that website, sign up, you'll be in touch with me.
We'll get in touch because it's a lot more to
be done that I've not shared here, because it's not
for public consumption for those who are part of the
task force to know exactly what it is we're doing,
and there's different areas that we're doing it in and
if you have. If you're an individual or an organization
even something to contribute, we'll find a way for you
to work out. Because again, this is an American problem.

(50:50):
It's not localized. A lot of the noise and noise
comes out of like Harvard and New York and other places,
but this is an American issue and we are really
at a critical juncture right now. You know, October seventh
unleashed many things, and it really you know, the problem
was here before October seventh, but that incident over there,
that attack over there, made it very abundantly clear here.

(51:11):
So if you want to join the fight, then please
go to that website. Uh, sign up and we'll get
connected and we can discuss further.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
And what's the website? What's the websiting.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Anti Semitism TF for Task Force Anti SEMITISMTF dot org.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Yep, and I put a link for it in the chat, y'all,
so go check it out.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Wonderful.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
And the word I would use angel is it's metastasized
after October seventh.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Oh yes, it was there before, and it's fantasticized because
because it's no longer impolite to be anti Semitic.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
No, it's it's mainstream.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Yeah, and it's in many ways we see from people,
it's being encouraged, it's profitable in some ways.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
I I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
I literally was at like a little bodega the other
day in the in the cash here was just like
running her mouth with a customer, and I was.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Like, I was sitting there and I was so horrified,
and I was like, what it.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
I can't believe what people are willing to say in public.
He would not say that about any other racial group,
any other minority, any other country fighting.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Against its enemies. I mean, it's it is a sickness.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Yeah, it is a.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
Oh all right.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Uh, thank you Daniel for the work that you're doing
over at Heritage Foundation.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
Uh, and thank you all for watching.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
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(53:00):
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Speaker 5 (53:14):
We want to tell them.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Next week is our season finale and we have a
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