Who’s Afraid of the Big, Bad Jew? Insights into Israel and Antisemitism with Rabbi Raphael Shore

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One and we're live, and we're live. Hello Erica, Hello Robert.
What is it live or is it memory? So you
know how we always have to start with something. I'm
sorry to go there, but knock knock?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Who's there?

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Ford Ford? Who? Fort Knox? Let me in. I'm worth
my weight in gold, you know, I mean really, I
mean three times in one hundred years people have been
to Fort Knox to see if we still have gold. Now,
I do believe in trust, but verify. But I mean,
you know, other than goldfringer right, which was you know

(00:39):
the James Bond movie. Mean, how would you move on
all that gold out of there anyways?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Very covertly, secretly.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
In the still of the night, with the army base
around you. Yeah, I don't think.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Here's the thing. I put nothing past the government.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
I understand. So yeah, all right, so let's let's jump
to I had to start. The whole Fortknox thing is
just making me crazy. In any event, Let's jump to
the show. And then we have a very special guest
by Raphael Shore in this new book, Who's Afraid of
the Big Bad Jew, which is really groundbreaking. So I

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want to get to that. But let's roll them and
go from there. All right, Hello, and welcome to of

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the people. Why are Jews so liberal? It's a question
I have been asked repeatedly by a lot of my
non Jewish and conservative friends. And the short answer is,
Jews have historically been deeply involved in fighting for equality
and civil rights and the protection of marginalized community because
for Jews, fighting for the underdog and the oppressed has

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been a cornerstone of our Jewish values for century. There's
a concept called takunulum which has healed the world. The
idea of repairing the world has been at the core
of Jewish life and our Jewish values, guiding our involvement
in the world. But today it is crystal clear that
those very same movements that we supported, those social justice
movements that the Jewish community has historically supported, are increasingly

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hostile towards Jews and are openly anti Semitic and anti Israel.
And the majority of Jews now find themselves caught between
their commitment to these liberal ideas and the reality that
these movements are dangerous to their very safety and survival.
And it's a contradiction that echoes a dark chapter in
our history. In the world's history the rise of Nazi

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Germany because in the thirties the Jews in Germany were
also deeply involved in progressive and liberal movement and didn't
fully recognize the growing threat of Hitler and the Nazi
until it was too late. Now, looking back, we now
know the dangers were clear, but at the time, many
Jews failed to see that the very movements that they
had aligned with could and would soon turn against them.

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And let's be clear, Nazism didn't arrive overnight. It crept
in piece by piece until it was too late. And
when you fast forward that to today and we see
the same pattern. Jews, particularly in liberal circles, have long
aligned themselves with movements to promote equality and social justice,
and honestly, many continue to do so despite the fact
that the movements have now clearly shown themselves to be

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anti Semitic. The BDS movement, Black Lives Matter, and so
many others are now openly anti Zionist and anti Israel,
to the point where it's become almost mainstream within the
progressive circles. And yet many Jews still support these movements
despite the fact that their open hostility towards Israel and

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Jewish identity is absolutely undeniable. Just like in the nineteen
thirties Nazi Germany, Jews are once again faced with an
undeniable contradiction and the choice. The participation in these causes
is increasingly self destructive, especially as they become targets of
the very movement that they helped to build. So the

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question is not only why are Jews so liberal, but
why do they continue to support these movements despite the
very real threats to our community. And here's where there's
that painful parallel to Nazi Germany. It becomes all too
clear because just as many Jews in the nineteen thirties
refuse to acknowledge what was in front of them and
the growing danger of the Nazi regime, so too many

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Jews today refuse to face the fact that the progressive
movement that they support have openly turned against them. And
the failure in the nineteen thirties to confront the rise
of Nazism led to the Holocaust and six million Jews
being killed, And today America and the world's Jewish community
are at risk of repeating the same mistake and refusing
to acknowledge the threat that's right in front of them

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until it's too late. And then there's a figure like
Donald Trump, whose policies, particularly on Israel, but on so
many other issues aligned with the Jewish interest in community
in so many ways, whether it's human rights, the right
of self defense, the rule of law, legal immigration, and
clearly one of the most pro Israel presidents of any

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US president ever, all aligned with Jewish values. Yet Jews
are still overwhelmingly anti Trump, not because of his policies,
but because they have somehow been brainwashed by the media
and the vanguard of the progressive left that he's a
racist and he's a Nazi, when his policies, his positions,
and his appointments clearly show he is not. The contradiction

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is stark. Jews continue to support progressive causes despite the
fact that these causes are now clearly and openly hostile
to their very existence. They ignore the very real and
growing threat. So the question is will Jews continue to
ignore the dangers as Jews did in the years leading
up to Nazism? And will history repeat itself in ways

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that no one wants to consider. We must ask the question,
will Jews confront the reality of the danger we face
today or where the vast majority continue to support the
movement that in the end may likely lead to another Holocaust,
because ladies and gentlemen, never again is now. And that's
the monologue, Erica.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Back in the studio, Robert, Robert, what is going on
in the world today?

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Exactly? And we are Erica, as you know, thrilled to
have with us. All our guests are special, but this
is truly a special guestbi Raphael Shore, producer, director, author,
human rights activists, prolific in this area, who maybe can
help us make heads or tails of this, especially with

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the monologue and his new book, Who's Afraid of the
Big Bad Jew? Rabbi Shore, it is indeed an honor
and a pleasure to welcome you to the people.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Well, thank you for having me on your show. I
really appreciate being here.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Happy to have you here. We're hoping you can help
us make some sense of this, because you know, growing
up in the Jewish community and I you know, a
little bit similar background. So I grew up sort of
not observant, not really, I mean, I was Jewish by culture,
but I would liken it to a high holiday jew right,
It's sort of like the Christmas Easter version of Christianity
where we observed high holidays. But as I got older,

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as I understood you know, my roots and who I was,
I became much more observant, much more tied into it.
And yet my friends will all ask me all of
the monologue why Jews are so liberal? Do you have
a better answer than I have?

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Oh, that is a great question. I do. I do
have a very good answer. I don't know if it's
better than yours. I thought yours was very enlightening, and
you had a very uh beautiful way of expressing is
we're saying, looking favorably upon the Jewish impulse to be

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liberal and to be democratic comes from a very good place,
an idealistic place, but unfortunately it can become misplaced. My
answer of how it is that the Jews? So let
me let me step one thing back. I think that
the fundamental assertion is incorrect, that the majority of Jews

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are not voting for Trump. I think that's incorrect. Isn't
that interesting? That's all right? Interesting? Right? So I'm gonna
start with that one because one and I've seen that
a whole paper written on this, and I think it's
important to get to set the record straight. Because it
really looks bad on us that we don't support the
president even though we saw pro Israel. So I think

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the majority of the Jews do. Why because there are
segments of the Jewish population that don't really show up
in the polls. I'm talking about Russian Jews, first generation,
second generation, Russian Jews who came from the former Soviet Union.
I'm talking about Israeli Jews who number in the hundreds
of thousands, first second generation in America. And I'm talking

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about Persian Jews. All of these groups, and sparting from
the Jews from the Middle East, all those people which
make up probably at this point thirty percent of the
Jewish people in America, they're all huge majority, ninety percent
probably voting for Trump. It's the old school. It's like

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you were saying, you and I come from a similar background, Yajakassi.
It's the old school that show up in the polls
and are yes, perhaps only thirty thirty percent plus that
voted for Trump. But when you add those two groups together,
the ones that are counted and the ones that are
not counted, you already get the majority that I think

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are actually supporting Trump. Then you got the quiet people too.
So I think most Jews, even in America, are actually
on the right side of history and the right side
of his and I think that's an important thing to
take note of. It. I'll happily show you share with
you that article that I wrote.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
And I would love to say that because and again
I'm an old political political guy from back in the day.
The only numbers that I saw on exit polling were
somewhere one exit poll show twenty one percent. One exit
poll showed thirty one percent of people who who acknowledge
being Jewish voted for Trump, which means, wow, at that
seventy percent, or even if I believe Ben Shapiro thought

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it might have gone as high as forty percent, but
even that, it's a sixty forty split, and that's being magnanimous.
So I would love to see if you had numbers
that are different.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, it's because the person Jews don't come out as Jews.
The Russian Jews don't come out as Jews in these poles,
and they're not discovered there in any case. Having said that,
so I think that's an important point. And the way
I describe it is like this Jewish people, although they
care for the great majority care a lot about Israel.

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But because they have that liberal tendency, and because for
non religious Jews, progressivism and social social values of the
left have become their religion. As a result, like every
human being, they when they come to consider the vote,

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there's ten different factors. There's foreign policies that are economics,
there's social issues. For these liberal Jews who are not
so connected with their Judaism, their number one, two, and
three are things like abortion and helping the black community,
and helping the poor, and and and those social issues.

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Israel comes out number five six seven, So they end
up voting for those social issues, which is the Democrat party.
Then what do they do that, Well, what do you
do about Israel? You're not You're supporting the candidate who's
not as supportive of Israel. So instead of just admitting,
instead of being honest and just admitting, Okay, I'm voting

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for abortion, I'm voting for these liberal causes even though
the candidate is not as pro Israel, they rationalize, and
that's the human tendency they rationalize, So they rationalize that also,
my vote is going to the pro Israel candidate because
they don't want to say they're voting for even though
it's number six. So that's my explanation. If you put Israel,

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if you're a Jew who puts Israel as number one, two,
or three on your considerations for who you're going to
vote for, then you're going to have the clarity to
understand who really is the better candidate for Israel and
the Jewish people. But the liberal, secular Jews tend to
really have Israel lower in that set of ten priorities.

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That's how I understand it.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
So I want to jump to your new book, Who's
Afraid of the Big Bad Jew. Now you have eighteen
movies to your credit as producer, as writer, director. I've
seen Obsession, you know, I've seen a few of the
other ones as well. But now you're going to print
me to and I assume it was no coincidence. It
came out October seventh, twenty twenty four. But this is

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a which was so appropriate. This is a different kind
of book, is it not. It's not really about anti
Semitism necessarily, yes, I mean it's a philosophical analysis or
trying to understand the historical struggles of the Jewish community

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and why the Jews.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Right Yeah, I've struggled to name what this book is about.
And then I also made a film about it as well,
called Tragic Awakening, But the book is called like Who's
Afraid of the Big Bad Jew? Learning to Love the
Lessons of Jew Hatred. So that's already very interesting and provocative,

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you see. So the idea is that, yes, it's a
film about the deeper roots of Jew hatred, but it's
not really my main purpose in writing the book. The
main purpose was to see that through the lens through
understanding the depth of the reason for anti Semitism, we
can actually understand the reason and purpose of the Jewish

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people and incredibly revealing, and we discover that most of
the jew hatred is actually because we're Jewish, and if
they hate us for we're Jewish, for being Jewish, let's
be Jewish, Let's embrace it. Because the Jewish people have
actually been beaten down. We don't know who we are,
We've lost sight to a large degree of who we are.

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And the book is really a book that starts with
why the Jews from the anti Semitis one and becomes
why the Jews, about why do we even exist? And
what are we really here? For what are we trying
to do? And even that's even bigger topic because it's
really about why are all human beings here and what
is the unique role of the Jewish people in that

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bigger picture of world history.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Well, I love excuse me the way that you framed this.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
You know, as a as a practicing Christian, you know,
I've often been confused about people who don't want to
admit that they're Christian, or don't want to share their
faith or don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
And I'm like, you know.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
It says or they're afraid, Oh, people are going to
be mad because they think I hate them or whatever.
And I'm like, it says in our book that we
will be hated in His name, like because of our belief,
we will be hated.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Now obviously that's different than you. But like you said,
be Jewish.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
You know what, They're gonna hate you anyway, So just
be Jewish. And I feel that same way about all
people of faith.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yes, yes, and other and in particular I agree with you.
This is about all people of faith. That and that
is what the book is about. The book is saying
that essentially, when you bring into the world a message
of faith of moral responsibility, of the burden of the
burden of freedom and being a moral responsible human being.

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Some people are not going to like you for it
because you're pushing You're pushing something heavy. So what I
what I bring out in the book is that Hadolf
Hitler understood this and he was trying to wipe out
the Jews because we were bringing this humanitarian ideology into
the world about moral freedom and about ethics, and he

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and he looked at his Judeo Christian ethics. He understood
that the Jews started up at the Christians had a huge,
huge impact on humanity, bringing these ideas of moral responsibility
to the world. And he rejected that. And so we
explore that very deeply in the book, and it reflects.
I say, it's very provocative, but I say, Adolf Hitler

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and the Torah, the Bible have the same explanation for
Jew hatred.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Because Hitler understood, wait, wait, you have to help me
with that one.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
I'm gonna I'm gonna explain.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Help me with that one. I need to understand that
that is a hell of a prerogative statement.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
So Adolf Hitler, I just explained very briefly. Of course,
the book goes into it much much more detail. His
ideology that the Jewish people were bringing ethics of humanitarianism,
love your neighbor, brotherhood of all man, human rights, ethical monotheism.
Did you Jews brought into that world? That ideology must
be destroyed. The Torah says that at Mount Sinai, hatred

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came into the world. It's a play on the words
because in Hebrew Mount Sinai, Hebrew is senai par sini
and hatred is seenah seni very close. It's a plan
where when when God gave to the world a Jewish
when sorry, when God gave to the Jewish people the Torah,

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the Ten Commandments and the toret Mount Sinai, which was
a mission to bring these ideas to humanity, hatred to
the Jews came into the world at the same time
because God understood that. Yes, it's amazing that there was
going to be resistance to bringing those ideas into the world.

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Who wants to fall anti Semitism? So Adolf Hitler and
the Torah are saying the same thing, because that is
actually it's the resistance to the Jewish message, its resistance
Jewish impact, the push to drive to which sometimes comes
out in success, but it's pretty heavy.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
So so is it that one can't Is this a
yin yang kind of an argument that one can't exist
without the other? That one that that that that hit
that the hatred of Judaism or the hatred of religion,
because you're really talking about Judeo Christian values right when
we're talking about you know, much broader, and I would argue,
you know, the whole as we've talked about had infinitum

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in the show, you know, the whole concept of the
river to the sea and driving the Jews into the sea,
which is what they're trying to do, which I say
to my Christian friends, I said, if you're Christian, your next,
because it's not just about us at those values. But
you know, my father used to say, you can sometimes
tell the caliber of an individual by who does doesn't
like them, which you know, it's sort of you know,

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a similar concept.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
So exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, But but I guess my question because there are
there are some provocative statements here, like so when you
say that Hitler was right, what was he right about?

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Very good, because obviously I'm glad you said, because I
do want to play for obviously Hitler was one of
the most evil, of course in human history. So there's
no I'm not I'm not questioning that. What I'm questioning
and what the book questions and challenges is the conventional
wisdom about Adolf Hitler. The conventional wisdom is that Hitler

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was just a raving lunatic. He was a mad man,
a madman who was just a megalomaniac for power. Somehow
he whipped up the German masses into an emotional grade
and that caused them to say, let's wipe out the Jews.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
No idea is that can be done by man.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
That's crazy, exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Now you think about it for a moment, this Germany.
If someone wanted to go to the best university on
the planet in those days, where did they go Germany?

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Germany?

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah, that was the most success It was the most sufficient,
highly intellectual place. And then somehow this guy Hitler brainwashed
them all. It doesn't make sense. So the fact is
that he had a very well developed ideology. His ideology
basically said that the Jewish people, he said, World War

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two is was a war of Jews against Germans. All
else is facade and delusion. Isn't that, and what he
was saying was, on the surface, I'm fighting Britain, I'm
fighting Russia, but behind it is an ideological war that

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has to do with the Jewish people being a spiritual
superpower and the Jewish people his only real threat is
that it's the only real threat, because the Judeo Christian
worldview is his only real threat. And even though Christians
had done more to bring the Judaeo Christian ideas into

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European civilization, he understood that the Jews initiated it, the
Jews were the originators, and more than that, that it
was in the Jewish spiritual DNA and to continue doing it.
So Hitler said, the Jews are a spiritual and moral
superpower bringing an ideology that's going to be destructive to humanity.

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They've been super successful, not only in all aspects of life,
but specifically in bringing this ideology in the world, and
since it's in their spiritual DNA, I need to kill
every single one of them genocide. So in that regards,
he was right, and that's why the whole book is
about flipping it on its head and saying, hey Jewish people,

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Hey world, let's be honest. You've beat us up for
two thousand years. Our psyche's been messed up. You've messed
us up. We're not so proud about being Jewish anymore
because we don't know and we've lost track of who
we are. As Elie Weisel like say says, we're like
a messenger who forgot our message. I'm trying to wake

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us up. I'm trying to say, hey, we are that people.
We are an incredibly beautiful people who have made an
incredible impact on humanity in positive ways. Except sometimes what
the message that we bring has creates resistance. That resistance
is jew hatred and it was part of the package.

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It was part of the package. We knew it going in.
We knew from Mount Sinai, we knew it from Abraham God.
Let us know. There's gonna be a lot of resistance,
the resistance called anti Semitism. But this is our Herita
and it's actually a beautiful thing to be Jewish. And
if you're not Jewish, get on the right side of
history because this is the story of humanity. This is

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the story of human history. Are we going to become
more spiritual beings, more enlightened? Where are we going to
be more attached to the Animal Kingdom, or it might
makes right. That's the view that Hitler was trying to
bring the world to.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Jew Erica? Do
we have the cover? Let's bring it up. By no, Rabbi,
you're holding the book, but we actually have a larger
picture to show our listeners and or our viewers. And
then before we go to break, here it is Who's
Afraid of the Big Bad Jew by Rabbi Raphael Shore.
Where can they find the book? I assume Amazon everywhere
but your website before we go to break.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
All the major all the major places where you buy books.
It's available Amazon dot com and and of course my
website Raphileshort dot com. You can find out more about
it and in the corresponding film as well that comes
with it. So enjoy it. And we're going to talk
about the cover when we come back.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, we are going to talk about the cover when
we come back, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be right back
on the other side of the break.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yes, And just so you guys know, there are links
for all the websites and the books and all the
things and the descriptions, so go check it out.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
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Speaker 3 (26:21):
Welcome back, Thanks for having me. It's pleasure. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Let's go. So I want to go to the book cover.
So Erica, let's pull up the book cover because this
is really so to me, this is brilliant. It's taking
something that was German propaganda during the war and repurposing
the content as the expression goes these days, into something
that is big and beautiful and powerful. So maybe you

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can explain the cover to everyone, and then I want
to show everyone where this came from.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, okay, what we talked about just before the break
was that was I mentioned briefly that Elie Weisel said
the Jewish people are like a messenger who got knocked
on the head, and we forgot that what the message was.
We even forgot that we're messengers. And this is a
very deep idea that I'm trying to help with this book,

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to revive the Jewish people and help them remember that
they're messengers. But after two thousand years of consistent persecution,
the Jewish psyche has really been deeply impacted, and it's
very difficult for most Jews today. And it's really Jews

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are different, they're stronger, but for American Jews and for
the average Jewish person in the diaspora to stand up
and proudly say I'm Jewish. I love being Jewish. It's
a privilege to be Jewish. It's a wonderful heritage, the responsibility,
but it's something very special, and that's sad because we

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have such a heritage we have. We are people who've
shown such resilience, such goodness, We've made such an impact,
and yet we've lost track and it's difficult for us
to be proud. So this book cover is trying to
reflect that anti Semitism is not so much hate as

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it is fear. That there's actually a fear of Jewish
spiritual influence, Jewish power, Jewish success. And we want the
Jew to feel very solid in his moral self confidence.
Is what I like to call it ruth wise, cause
it that we want the Jews to have moral self

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confidence with who they are. So this image portrays it
strong Jew, very happy to be Jewish. And the anti Semites,
the jew haters with all their contradictions and their double
standards and their irrationality underneath small people who are being ridiculous.
So you've got Hitler who was saying, stop supporting genocide.

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Ridiculous that is, you've got the the the l G B.
T q Hamas supporter college student down there.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
I love I love that one.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah, some aligning himself with Kamas even though the gays
won't last more than a couple of days in Gaza.
And and then you've got the Kamas guy who was
actually saying, yeah, let's do genocide and kill you. All
those guys are all little pathetic little bothers and mosquitoes
that should be just bothering as an anti Semitism shouldn't

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bother us. Anti Semitism should teach us our greatness, like
your father said, like that that that you can tell
a person by his enemies. The fact that the Jews
persecuted and hated in every generation means we're relevant. The
fact that in every generation evil find the Jew means

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we're the opposite of evil means we're good making that
That's why I love that. Yeah, yeah, so that that's
what we need to take away. And and and the
irony is, as you said, that we've really flipped. We're
flipping the narrative. The whole idea of this book is
to flip the narrative. So even in the cover, we
flipped the narrative.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
And and folks, just so you see where this came from, Erica,
if you can put up the original propaganda poster from
Nazi Germany from back in the day, that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah, that was that was my inspiration for the book cover.
This is this is the Nazi, the the arrogant Nazi
overlooking the pathetic Jews as they were they were imagined.
And and I said to myself, we need to flip this.

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They did a good job creating propaganda, a nice piece
of art, and let's flip it on its head, because
that's the idea here. Let's flip the narrative and let's
give Jews of of moral self confidence and feel good
about their greatness so they can walk with their heads
held high and realizing anti sent anti center should not

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bring us down. It should actually be a source of
strength and inspiration. So I call this book an inspirational
look at you, hatred.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Erica.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
You're in the feed, Yeah, yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Okay, I just can't see you there you.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, No, I was, I was. I was leaving the
men folk to talk, Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
I just don't want to dominate. I just don't want
to dominate the conversation because then you're gonna give me
all sorts of static later too much.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
No, I just this is so fascinating. I love I
love the way that you're framing this, Rabbi, because, uh,
you know, my husband Benjamin and I often talk about this.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
He's black, I'm a woman.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
I know it's hard to tell, but you know, people,
we are our affinity groups, if you will, or our
you know, whatever, our demographics. We're supposed to be victims
and feel like victims, and people use that as currency.
It's used as currency in our culture to be a

(32:17):
victim somehow, to be victimized or you know whatever. And
this is even not only are you saying we're not victims,
you're saying, like, this is proof that we are on
the right track. This is this is something to be
confident in. This is like, it's like, what's the right

(32:39):
It's like confirmation that you're on the right track.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Right exactly, exactly well said. And you know, in the end,
the one who pulls the victim card and you want
to play that for a generation to generations, who's hurt
most by that. It's the one that think, yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
But one of the ones that are playing the car
that are playing the right yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, they don't realize, you know, they might get some
short term gain, but they're actually missing out. And when
the Jewish people, once again, because I think a better
title for the Jewish people, better than startup nation, is
resilient nation. When the Jewish people came out of the
Holocaust and had to fight again for the state of Israel,

(33:25):
we weren't telling anybody victim card. We just wanted to
live a life. You know, that's what we want. Let's
just live a good life. Let's let's let's have shabbat,
Let's light those candles, Let's have families because you know
what we benefit. Let's make a living so we can
provide for our children and send them to university and
get an education. Let's let's live our lives. And that's

(33:49):
the greatest use of freedom, and that's the greatest benefit.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, So I want to ask you, Rabbi, how does
because obviously I've seen several of your movies. I've seen
them session there's clearly a threat coming from what the
world wants to call radical Islam. That's certainly hope you
do much broader conversation about Islam and Islamic values. But
how do you does that fit into this in terms

(34:15):
in terms of in terms of worldview, because you know
it's the three and I'm being I'm being magnanimous here.
There are three great religions in the world. Certainly you
know Jerusalem is you know it's the intersect of those three,
you know, great religions. How do you see and integrate
Islam into this what I would call when I say

(34:36):
greater warfare? I don't mean physical warfare, I mean spiritual Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah. Well, first of all, again you see when you
talk about the three great religions, you see again the
impact of the Jewish people because it was Abraham's immediate
descendants who started you know, we're both responsible for Western civilization,
wrong Christianity. That came through his grandson Aesof and Ishmael,

(35:02):
who is his son who was the father of the
Islamic people. There of Islamic people. So the huge impact
on the spiritual future of the Jewish people, not always
for the good, but for the most part, came directly
from Abraham. But the answer to your question is that

(35:23):
you know, as you said, I've been bringing awareness of
the threat of radical Islam to the world, and for
some reason, I've been able to listen. That's what I do.
I think that's what I do more than most people.
I listen. So the reason I was able to warn
and tell people early on about the threat of radicalism

(35:44):
and the ideology behind it, is because I listened to them.
I didn't put some blinders on my face. I didn't
interpret their words and say, no, what they mean is this,
and put my Western sensibilities onto their words. No, this
is what they said. And the same thing in this
book I do with Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. I say,

(36:06):
this is what he said. Don't make things up, don't
create a caricature of a nutty dictator who didn't know
what he was talking about, who convinced the German people
to do something they didn't know what he was talking about.
I'm listening, and the fact is that it's one line
that the anti Jewish sentiment that has gone throughout history

(36:33):
has just continued. And in the book I painted how
the radical Islamist world inherited Nazism and anti Semitism from Hitler,
the Mufti of Jerusalem, who was the leader, yeah, the
Grand Mufti of Jerusale, who was the leader of the
Islamic world the Palace. He was the father of Palestinian nationalism.

(36:57):
He moved to Germany in nineteen forty one and spent
the rest of the year in Berlin as an honored guest.
About Alf Hitler, this is in my book. He had
a meeting with Hitler where he said that quote that
to him, he said, I want Hitler said to the Mufti,
I want you to lock this in your heart that
this is a war against the Jews. Don't get fooled

(37:19):
by everything else. And when we're done in Europe, we're
gonna come whye bout the Jews in the Middle East.
And the Mufti said, you're my man, and we're any
joined partners. And he helped create a Muslim SS group.
So interesting. Hitler hated Christianity, but he felt he was
fond of Islam. You know, he didn't so he understood
that it's a bit of a different religion than Judaism

(37:41):
and Christianity. That's fascinating too.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Oh so I'm sorry, I'm sorry, this is driving me crazy.
I can't even handle this. How can how okay.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
You got to get I can't handle it.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
I'm like, I'm I how can you hate the Jews
when your religion was founded by Jews?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Like I doesn't.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
I it's the same for Christianity. I've never understood that.
And like, you follow your Messiah is a Jew?

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Dude? Like what are you?

Speaker 5 (38:15):
And I understand Islam does not consider Jesus the you know,
the Messiah and whatever, but what but if you are,
if you follow the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
then we're cousins, bro, how can you want to murder me?

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, it's deep psychology. That's that's the answer, Erica, it's
deep psychology. Now I will refer to also to something
really fascinating that answers your question. That's in my book,
and it is about the famous author Fyodor Dostayevsky who
answered this question in an indirect way. He wrote a

(38:52):
book called The Brothers Karamazov, and in that book he
brings us back to the Inquisition in the Middle Ages,
where three hundred years of killing Jews in the name
of Christianity, right, and the Grand Inquisitor, the one who's
leading it all, one day gets a visitor. The visitor

(39:15):
is Jesus himself comes back to visit. Oh comes back,
and he comes and he reappears on the scene. And
you would think that the Grand Inquisitor would say, hello, welcome,
don't you think I'm doing a great job? And said,
you know what he does what he imprisons Jesus. He says, Jesus,

(39:40):
as you can see, we're not doing what you told
us to do. We're actually a dictatorship in the religion
in the name of religion.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
What you asked, what you asked if humanity was way
too much. You ask for everybody to be fully responsible,
to be morally responsible, to live up to the potential
of a human being, of a soul and a body,
and being responsible. You ask way too much. You're guilty.

(40:09):
You're guilty, and we're going to imprison you. Get lost.
Let us do our dictatorship in the name of religion here,
get out of here. Is that fascinating?

Speaker 6 (40:19):
So he's cutting to the chase that even even when
you're working in the name of religion, it doesn't mean
you're being fully godly, and that body soul conflict is
still there, and.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
He represented that. So that's really the push and pull
and the Jewish people. And just because you're Christian Jewish
doesn't mean you're righteous. You have to do it, really
do it. You get a little assistance from a good
system and some good wisdom, but you're still in the
end of the day, you got to use your free
will and be a good person. And that's not on

(41:01):
a day to day busis and that not easiness. It'd
be easier to be freed from that burden. The human
part of the human being wants to be freed from
that burden. And when you want to be freed from
that burden, and you're a dictator and you say, can
we do something with the Jews? Can we get rid
of the Jews? They're bothering me?

Speaker 5 (41:27):
That is I think you know when you were when
you were describing some of these things. You know, you know,
like Hitler doesn't want the Jews carrying this message, and
it just yeah, the straight and narrow path is not easy, right,
And that is what as believers, Jews or Christians particularly,

(41:47):
we have a very specific set of expectations we're expected
to live up to, and.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
It is it.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Can be a challenge. It is much easier to just
give into your desires, to give into the flesh and
just do whatever you want. The problem is it doesn't
usually end well. Your life doesn't normally go well. It
doesn't provide for maximum human flourishing, right, right, and really.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
In the time we have left, I have but to
me is a seminal question. And I think your work
is prolific and I and far reaching. And you had
one hundred and fifty million people, you know, see the
different movies and things, so your reach is incomparable. What
I've always asked people, though, is facts are one thing.

(42:40):
How do you move hearts and minds? Because in my estimation,
until we can change hearts and minds because as I've said,
and again I want to also I was actually remiss.
I wanted to thank you for being also one of
the feature speakers in Israel Appreciation Day, which was our
event last last Timber as well, very important piece. And

(43:03):
the reason I bring it up is what we're trying
to do is move hearts and minds, and I how
do you do that? Right? You can give them the facts,
and I think your perspective, certainly through Who's Afraid of
the Big Bad Jew is absolutely groundbreaking in terms of
its of its thought leadership, in terms in terms of
trying to sort of re establish the internal spiritual rudder

(43:27):
for people right and get. But how do you move on?
How do you get the hearts and minds? Because until
because just Jews supporting Jews doesn't move the needle anymore, Right,
how do you do how do you how do you
reach hearts and minds?

Speaker 3 (43:42):
So I'm I think it's a great question, and I
think in the end of the day, I'm an eternal optimist.
I don't know where it comes from. I think it
is a Jewish trade. But I think that, as I said,
human beings are made up of a soul and body,
and I think ultimately, the like Erko was just saying,

(44:02):
is that it works better. Being an upright, spiritual human
being works better. And when you speak in that language,
a spirituality of meaning, of goodness, of connection, ultimately that
lifts people. And you're right, it's a struggle. The Jewish
people have been struggling with exactly this issue for three

(44:24):
thousand years. It's not easy, and you're right, it doesn't
go by facts. We're just got to keep going one
day at a time and trying to inspire people. You know,
at the end of my book. At the end of
my book, I go to fifteen different stories. I just
tell stories of people who have faced hatred, faced the
anti Semitism, Jews and non Jews, and they responded with

(44:49):
spiritual and moral grace, dignity and strength. They became more
jewsh they became pro Israel. They stood up to the evil,
and they feel good about it. And when you feel
good about it, so I think it's it's about the
inspiration of all and I think we have to really
always just focus on that positive side of the story,

(45:14):
which is why I feel, you know, Jews, we spend
too much time talking about anti Semitism. Let's talk the
positive side of our story. Let's inspire ourselves and the
world together to bring helping the world to what the
purpose is. And I'm confident it will because we've seen

(45:35):
Erica knows the prophecies, you know, the prophecies, We've seen
all the prophecies fulfilled over you know the line. We
know where it's going. It's gonna end good. It's just
bumpy road to get there.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I love that. That is, That is I love I
that you just that has tickled me so much.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
I don't even know what to say, but you're right,
and that's that's like, Ben, Like I don't want to
talk about the fact that that black people were just slaves.
Black people were more than just slaves. There's more to
Jewish people than the Holocaust.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Like it's there's oh yeah, I think, yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Again, not that we should ever forget, because never forget,
but but there's more.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
To the Jewish people.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
And and I would love to see that really flourish
and be celebrated more than being a victim.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Agreed, Rabbi cannot thank you enough for joining us on
the show. Truly, truly an inspiration. Eric. Can we pull
up the book cover again please? Who's afraid of the
Big bad Jew? Available everywhere? And it is not about
anti Semitism, as a rabbi has said, it is about
understanding faith and religion and re establishing what it is

(47:05):
to be while use the word pious and righteous and
and it it's just a powerful book. Rabbi cannot thank
you enough to join us one of the people. And again,
thank you for being a part of Israel Appreciation Day
as well.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Less ever, yes, my pleasure, keep up the good work,
and thank you so much for having me on your show.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
We'd love to have you back again as your time
allows my pleasure.

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you know one of the reasons I love talking with him,
You know, as a martial arts guy, what he's talking
about is spiritual jiu jitsu is taking you know, that
negative force coming at you, and using it, you know,
against you want? Can you do that move again. I
want to just see that with the hand.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I don't know what I did.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Is this like pushing in the hand.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
It's just like some tie or something. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
What. You look like this with your arms up and
you're not tall, you're not tall enough with not enough
callouses on you.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
But oh wait, what is no tai chi?

Speaker 3 (49:42):
That's what it is?

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Close tai chi Chinese mood high.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Is the same?

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Bro okay, too funny.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I want I want to thank Rabbi Shore again. That
was really enlightening. The one thing we didn't get to
is because he does say in the book that there
are four weapons, right, and you know what he calls
Jewish weapons of the spirit right, prayer tours, study, ethical observance,
and belief in God and his plans. You know, that's
that's the armor. Right, And next time maybe we can

(50:13):
talk a little more a little more about that. But
I love being the fighter. I love the jiu jitsu
aspect of it. So again, Rabbi Sure if you're listening,
thank you the book again, Who's Afraid of the Big
Bad Jew available everywhere.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah, check out the description, you guys.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
We've got his websites and links and socials and everything.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Check them out. Okay, So as we closed the show,
where's the outrage? By the way, No, not that, get
that out of there.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Whoops. Oh wait, no, that wasn't supposed to happen.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
Hold on, Sorry my bad, My bad. I was trying
to remove it from the stream. Sorry my bad.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
No, that that's okay. So I was watching the Press
Secretary today, you know, and there were gonna go back
to politics of course. Yeah, you know, everyone's talking about Doge.
And by the way, now I think that you know,
you want to doze people, right, I think doze is
now a verb.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
It's now a verb. Oh yeah, people are getting doge.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
You are getting laid off. Yeah right. But to me,
what happened today is if you were watching the press conference,
if Karen Levitt comes out and says that the White
House Correspondence Association, basically the newspaper people who are always
in the press room no longer are going to determine
who sits in that room. They've had that monopoly for

(51:35):
like forty years. So the White House is now going
to determine who's going to be in that room, which
to me is probably more important than Doge.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Wait, I'm sorry, Robert, catch me up here. Okay, okay,
what so today, why would.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
These okay, why would they get to choose who goes
in there?

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Okay, I can't tell you how it came about. I
can just tell you it's been forty years give or
take that. The White House Correspondence Association, and it's the
Big Five, right what you know what what they're calling
the mainstream media, which, by the way, we're going to
get to in a second, basically said here's who not
only can be in the room, but here's who gets
to ask questions?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Right, right? Trump does not get elected second time unless
he is able to go around what is traditionally called
the main street meetings, right yeah, okay, which we're going
to change that in a second. So today, what they did,
which I think you know most people aren't going to
really keying on the significance yet, is not only did

(52:38):
they set up that one seat for you know, a
social influencer in the in the press room. You heard
about that, right yep? Okay, and you can and you
can apply. I don't think we're ever going to get on,
but we did apply as a social influencer for that seat.
So if we get it, Erica, you're going, I'm going, okay.
But now they now they're breaking the monopoly of the
White House Correspondence Association to a who's in the room

(53:00):
and who gets to ask questions, And that is one
of the most it's small, but one of the most
brilliant moves by the Trump administration. And again you're going
to see people who say that, oh again, that he's
only wants sick of fans around him and he only
wants you know, I mean, I mean, they're going to
paint it in the worst way. But what it really
does is allows real news and real questions to come

(53:23):
in to the White House. Because you probably don't remember,
many years ago I wrote an article called an Honest
Broker where I was railing against the fact that journalism
is no longer honest or sacred and that people are
pushing their political agenda and that Edward R. Murrow, the
father of American journalists journalism, would be rolling over in
his grave, you know, because of that, because they're not

(53:46):
honest brokers of information. They're not telling you what the
facts are. They're telling you what to think about events.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
And you can tell that by the way questions are
framed and the underlying premise, you know, I mean, I
just can't even the difference between the way the Press
Secretary Karen Jean Pair was treated under the Biden administration,
right versus the way Sarah Huckabee Sanders was treated and

(54:18):
Kaylie MCANINNY and oh my god, Sean Spicer, which I
know that was a whole yeah, you know, but like
they were cruel to them, and every question the underlying
premise was, since Donald Trump is a vicious racist and
you guys are all a bunch of scumbags, here's my
question that no matter what you answer, you're gonna sound

(54:39):
like a terrible, horrible person.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Well agreed. But the point though, that I don't want
to lose here is as big and important as doge is.
Because it's big and it's splashing, it's all over the news.
I will argue that, And look, everyone wants government to
be efficient, accountable, transparent, and save us money, especially if
you're than our money right ops for other people's money.

(55:02):
But I'm going to argue that long term, this move
which most people are not going to focus on, which
is breaking the monopoly of the White House correspondence association
to determine who's in the room and who gets to
ask questions is as important as those long term to
the health of this country, if not more important, because
it now brings fresh air into the room and the

(55:24):
ability to have, you know, not both coasts, if you will,
or the elite media be the ones to control the
messaging that comes out of the White House. You know,
let's call them the gym Acostas of the world, right see.
And then you know, by the way, I know you
know you and I were on the last show and
we talked about that. I know you have a short memory.

(55:45):
I know you.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
But last, but not least, we have to pull up
the one video of day. I mean, you know, this
reminds me of a a line from Forrest Gump where
Hank says, well, Mama always said that stupid is as
stupid does. Okay, so we have a woman and let's
see what is her name here? Her name is, at

(56:09):
least her handle was, I don't know where it is
there It is Sarah C. Roberts.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
So she goes on to Sarah Roberts.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
She goes on to TikTok and basically calls for number one,
the assassination of Elon Musk, right, and then she goes
on to rant about how you know you all aren't
going to do anything, and I haven't paid my taxes
in eight years and you haven't come after me yet.
You're gonna have to raise the Vaughan but you got
to hear if you haven't, ladies and gentlemen, I'm not
on TikTok. I get it indirectly, but if you haven't

(56:39):
seen this, this is jaw dropping.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
I promise myself I would avoid it's the news, but
obviously I haven't.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Apparently, like when did you x him? And by x
I mean formally known as.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Assassination, formally known as assassination. That's what you just said.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
You don't have enough people to even investigate me at
this point.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
I haven't filed my taxes.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
In like.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Eight years. And yes, what.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
So she's on TikTok and she goes she talks about,
you know, she makes the cut your throat.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
Right, whoops, whoopsie, okay, hold on, we got to change
up your mic here.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Hold on ahead, So she wants so she talks about
cutting him off, you know, kind of you know, decapitating him,
and then says, we need to murder him, and then
we need to assassinate some mfs, right and then right,
you gotta love this, right, and then she talks about
how I've been my taxes in eight years and you

(58:09):
guys haven't come after me.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
So why do you say that?

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Well, Mama always said stupid is a stupid does Okay, but.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
It's true or not, that's still stupid.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Well, but here's the best thing. US Attorney Ed Martin
gets wind of this on Twitter because the libs of
TikTok put it up on Twitter. The US attorney, after
she publicly threatens to assassinate you know, mother, efforts right
and specifically murder Elon Musk, he says. US attorney Ed

(58:42):
Martin says, to this woman, what's her name again? Carol
Sarah c Rutt. Yeah, by the way, her counts down.
But so, the US attorney says to the woman, duly noted,
thanks for letting us know. We'll put you in the system.
Talk soon, ma'am. I mean, it's like instant karma. Just

(59:05):
I mean, how stupid are these people? You sit there
and you're like, I mean, it's just it's amazing to me.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
I it's It's like it's I I've heard just before,
and it didn't really make sense to me that people
like disconnect online from reality like they don't.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
This is like people who pick, who pick their nose
in the car when they're driving because the windows are
up they think nobody can see them. I mean, what.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
That's I I can't I don't know.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
I guess people are just trying to get clicks and
clout and whatever.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Wow wow wow wow wow.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
Ben says, it's not different than politicians. What are you
talking about, Narcissa.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
What's my standard line? Where's the outrage? I mean where
I mean? So, I mean, it's just an any of it.
So I understand we're up against the hour. I'm just speechless.
It's just to be so stupid. Yeah, as to publicly
call for the assassination, let's call him a public official,

(01:00:12):
if not a public figure he is. And then by
the way, right right, and then by the way to say, oh,
and by the way, I haven't paid my taxes for
eight years and you can, you know, come get me.
I mean, may I remind you, miss Roberts, whatever your
name is. They put out component in jail for tax evasion. Okay,
So if they can get him, they can come get you.

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