March 20, 2025 • 51 mins
In the season 2 premiere of 'Often Wrong, Never in Doubt,' the dynamic trio reunites in the barn studio with special guest Michael Thomas, also known as 'MT Fry Guy.' This episode dives into their camaraderie, hilarious past episodes, and upcoming plans including milestones like their 100th and 1000th episodes. Michael shares his fascinating background in golf course agronomy, entertaining stories involving golf legends like John Daly, and navigates the emotional journey of his son's type 1 diabetes diagnosis. The discussion extends into deep, heartfelt moments about family life, challenges, and the importance of gratitude. Join them for laughter, insights and an intimate look into their lives as friends and parents.
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And we're the three best friends that anybody could have.
We're the three best friends that anyone could have.
We're the three best friends that anyone could have.
And ladies and gentlemen, there you have it.
.999Episode one of season two.
.9Not only are we back, but we, we already told you, we teased you.
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We're togetherness again.
With MT Fry Guy.
Oh my goodness.
Sitting here live in the barn.
Uh, can you say hi? Guys, I gotta be honest, I kinda really wanted to be like, the 1000th episode.
I was, if I can't be first, I want to be last.
But you're first in season two.
.999So, you just blew that.
And then we'll make you a deal. 16 00:00:39,514.999 --> 00:00:41,735 Our 100th overall episode. 17 00:00:41,855.001 --> 00:00:42,464.999 I'll come back. 18 00:00:42,534.999 --> 00:00:46,215 And our 1000th! That'll be Destination.
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Let's make a commitment now. 20 00:00:47,445.1 --> 00:00:56,760 Can I get that in writing? Well, the cool thing is, the cool thing is, with, uh, Stephen's patterns of recording, thousands episode, we might be 94.
Um, so we could be in.
Also true.
Hey, we'll be in Boca del Vista together.
Sounds great.
.999Let's do it.
But hey, guys, welcome. 27 00:01:07,144.999 --> 00:01:07,554.999 Welcome.
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Welcome.
We are episode one of season two of Often Wrong, Never in Doubt. 30 00:01:12,934.999 --> 00:01:13,465 I'm excited.
.999I'm pumped.
I got my mind.
It's it's late.
It's 8 30.
I think that people have been asking guys.
That's what I've heard and that's why we said, you know what we just have to commit to it I'm gonna stop at the excuses excuses will always be there for you opportunity won't yeah, so here we are Well done and Michael.
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.999I'm proud of you guys.
Welcome to the barn, you know interesting fun fact and we'll probably wait to release this at a random time, but Michael and I did break into Pratt's house one time and record an episode. 39 00:01:43,960.1 --> 00:01:46,260 I still have it.
I still have the recording.
Isn't that episode 2. 42 00:01:48,960.1 --> 00:01:49,670 1? It was 2. 43 00:01:49,670.1 --> 00:01:54,140 1 and we have some great photos from it of us breaking into the wine cellar and everything.
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We will see, maybe Pratt goes on vacation and we have to release one to keep moving towards episode 100.
I still have some PTSD from that, so I don't know.
You're gonna be okay.
.999I'm gonna have to It's gonna be fine. 48 00:02:03,959.999 --> 00:02:05,770 Forgiveness is a muscle.
A little bit of therapy.
You gotta exercise it.
.999But hey, Michael, thank you for coming along.
.999We're excited to talk with you. 53 00:02:12,39.999 --> 00:02:15,100 Um, we do have some questions lined up, nothing too probing.
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But, uh, we have mentioned you many times.
That's for a different podcast.
.5That's after, that's after dark. 57 00:02:23,427.5 --> 00:02:24,934.9 That's after dark.
Well, anyways, uh, we're, we're excited.
We're excited for our large viewing, listening audience to get to know Michael Thomas, the fly guy.
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You've been brought up in every episode.
Yeah. 62 00:02:38,74.999 --> 00:02:42,195.0005 People are like, what is this? By the way, I got to tell you, you know that I don't listen to your podcast. 63 00:02:42,195.0005 --> 00:02:42,885 That's fine. 64 00:02:43,64.999 --> 00:02:43,895 Neither do our wives.
Neither do our, neither do.
Yeah, exactly.
Well actually I will give Kim credit.
She did listen.
.999She said, no, she said she just started to listen to them and then.
We stopped because I stopped interrupting people, but tonight I feel like I'm going to erupt because this is the friendship.
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No doubt. 72 00:02:57,330.1 --> 00:02:59,140 It's already happened a few times.
That's, that's going to happen. 74 00:03:00,789.999 --> 00:03:02,880 But Michael, I got to give you a compliment off the bat.
Oh boy.
.9995First of all. 77 00:03:04,79.9995 --> 00:03:04,570 That doesn't happen.
.999Well, first of all, two compliments wrapped in enigma. 79 00:03:10,269.999 --> 00:03:10,999.999 Really, not really.
I took a shower today.
One, one, you're looking tan and looking good.
You're getting ready for spring.
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Getting ready for the, oh, by the way, you and I have a member, member.
Flight championship to defend coming up.
Yeah, we do.
To defend.
To defend.
Yes.
We got some stuff to work on.
Michael played amazing last year and got us to the, got us to the, got us to the finals.
.999The other compliment I'm gonna say because I normally just post my victories, um, I think I did lose five dollars.
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You've lost more than 5.
No, 5 to you.
No, you lost more.
5, I don't bet more than 5.
No, no, just the last time we played, remember? It was 5.
That was the last time we played.
That's what I'm saying.
But the time before that.
.94925Oh, but how about the chip off? That was just playing around. 101 00:03:57,544.94925 --> 00:03:58,325 Oh, pizza money.
Okay, don't look at our Venmo account. 103 00:04:00,284.999 --> 00:04:01,414.999 Um, but anyways.
.999I lost money too. 105 00:04:01,814.999 --> 00:04:03,245 We're gonna, we're gonna get to it.
Let's, let's, let's get to it.
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So, um.
We are going to not talk too much this season about wine.
We're just going to tell you what we're drinking and give you a thumbs up, thumbs down.
.999We'll take a picture of it. 111 00:04:15,475.099 --> 00:04:16,544.06327273 You can see it on the gram. 112 00:04:16,544.06327273 --> 00:04:20,045 Maybe where you can find it, uh, if we find a crazy deal.
And if we get sponsored, we will talk more about it.
Yes, 100%.
Whoa, you guys are on the gram? We're on the gram.
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Yeah.
So often wrong pod.
Yeah.
Um, but this, this was a special bottle.
This was a gift from MT Fry guy. 121 00:04:32,664.999 --> 00:04:34,875 Um, just makes sense to break out today. 122 00:04:34,914.999 --> 00:04:35,124.999 Yeah.
So it was one of the Trump bottles.
.9995And, uh, so we'll tell you a little bit about it later, but we're not going to dive too much into wine. 125 00:04:40,994.9995 --> 00:04:47,165 We're going to kind of focus again this season more on our guests that we will ask a bunch of questions.
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Um, and then when we do have.
Stephen and I only time we will really circle through the golf, the, uh, and, um, the, um, uh, YouTube videos I watch about learning golf family.
Oh, family.
Oh, I have a family. 130 00:05:02,994.999 --> 00:05:03,114.999 Yeah.
Yeah. 132 00:05:03,414.999 --> 00:05:04,154.999 Gosh, darn it. 133 00:05:04,504.999 --> 00:05:05,334.999 Michael has a family too. 134 00:05:05,474.999 --> 00:05:07,65.001 So hey, tell us real fast, Michael.
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Give us the 32nd elevator speech.
background.
Everybody's like, who's MTF? Who are you? Where are you from? Who are you married to? How many kids do you have? Yeah.
And when are you getting a dog? So, we're getting a dog supposedly this year.
.999Please, no.
Maybe the start of school season.
We'll see.
No.
I got, I got two, uh, I get to, why can't I just hang out with Janice? Why can't you just bring Janice? You borrow my dog all the time.
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Michael, where are you from? Anyways.
Who you married to? How many kids you got? Yeah, so I got two boys.
.999Um, uh, we, we moved to Bluffton, originally from South Florida area.
Spend about, um, 20 plus years in South Florida.
The West Palm Beach area, Palm Beach Gardens.
What were you doing down there? How old are you? Um, I'm, I'm soon to be over the 45 mark.
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He's younger than me though.
He's younger than me.
So I'm the elder here.
But what were you doing for 20 years in Florida? So I was, uh, I was in the golf course industry, uh, specifically as a golf course agronomist.
So I worked on golf courses.
.9995So I took care of golf courses. 156 00:06:05,469.9995 --> 00:06:07,130 They call you a super, right? Superintendent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Something like that. 160 00:06:09,349.999 --> 00:06:12,679.999 And agronomy is the study of plants.
Plants and signs.
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Plants! I was way off.
I thought constellations.
Yeah.
I got into the club business when I was like 16.
My grandparents owned a golf course way back in the day in Columbia, South Carolina.
And I just kind of fell in love with the game.
.9995I was a soccer player in high school and I hurt my knee and I love sports. 169 00:06:29,354.9995 --> 00:06:30,355 I didn't, I needed an outlet.
And so I picked up a golf club, started swinging it and thought this was kind of something cool. 171 00:06:34,610.1 --> 00:06:37,360 Um, and, um, it is terribly frustrating.
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It is.
That's awesome.
So, uh, married? How many kids? Married.
Um, two kids.
Uh, six and seven.
.999My wife, Shaw, um, and my amazing boys, Mason and Hudson that are, are, Hudson's turning six on Friday.
All right. 179 00:06:50,39.999 --> 00:06:50,889.999 Six and seven. 180 00:06:50,889.999 --> 00:06:51,809.999 Mason's seven.
.9995Um, both are at HHCA and we're, we've been up here, I think we've, I think it's four years now that we have officially, it'll be four years next month that we're officially being bluffed in. 182 00:07:03,329.9995 --> 00:07:04,100 If you ask me.
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Bluffton, South Carolina was four years ago.
I would have laughed.
I've been like, who lives in Bluffton, South Carolina? This guy.
Um, but my parents are relocated.
And, um, we came up one weekend during COVID and was like, this place is awesome.
Um, West Palm beach, South Florida area was, it was just popping and things were going crazy down there and we just needed a little place to slow down, be more family oriented and.
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and looking for a good school system and, and, you know, just good values.
Um, so where we can grow up and sort of driving up and down I 95 and the high pace, you know, I love South Florida and it's great.
Um, but I always call it like the land of the newlywed and nearly dead, um, because you have to have both.
Um, and as a newlyweds, you can have a lot of fun and do a lot of things.
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Um, but it's not like the best place to grow, uh, raise a family.
So for me, it was, um, you know, this was a place to slow down, take a deep breath and be intentional as a father with the kids and grow up in the system.
So it's lived up to expectations.
.9995I mean, it is pollen season starting. 197 00:08:05,684.9995 --> 00:08:08,950 I'm not really a That's my only beef about Bluffton.
Um, so yeah, well, so that's your only beef.
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.999Plus there's some terrible developer who like tears the trees down and puts, how dare you, sir? No, I don't know who it is. 200 00:08:19,339.999 --> 00:08:24,450 So many trees, like how many, why do we need all these trees? And all these trees weren't even, but that's what I'm going to say.
So here's the fact that people need to know since 1950 to now there's over.
(08:33):
I think 100 percent double the amount of trees in the state of South Carolina because it's planted.
You're required to plant, right? No, no, no.
Planted pines.
.999It's a crop.
It's like planting corn.
Yeah.
You know, for the paper.
.999Anyways, we don't want to get into that.
So, glad you're here. 211 00:08:47,574.999 --> 00:08:50,944.999 Um, glad you made it to Bluffton.
I closed on my house, four years ago.
Wow.
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And you were the first person I met here.
And then I met you through Steven.
Yeah, yeah.
It was a weird You're welcome.
It was a weird text taxi ride one morning.
You're welcome.
Oh yeah, that was, that's the whole other podcast.
Pick me up.
Yeah.
You pick me up at 4:00 AM to go, go fly to the moon.
So yeah, when you, when you meet somebody who's, um, you literally have to pick up at like 4 45, and he's standing at the end of his driveway with his backpack ready to go in the dark.
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I mean middle of the night dark like dark 30 and I'm like, oh this guy's serious.
I like this guy So we were flying let's Colorado a little just a little leadership conference there.
It was fun.
But yeah That's how we all got to and you know I'll share this because I think it's important when we moved I spent my entire life in the Northeast So just like you were down there for 20 years.
(09:43):
I was up in New Jersey for Nearly 40 years.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, me too.
Oh my goodness.
I'm still recovering actually a lot of PTSD But when we moved down here, you know, we have three young kids my wife and I don't know a soul, but we fell in love with the area and we decided we're gonna buy here and We just prayed like Lord just send us our tribe we cannot date adults Had 40 years old.
(10:09):
We don't have the time effort or energy for it and I mean, this is what the Lord blessed me with here.
So I, I'm just gonna assume he was right.
Well, you followed, we're still working through it.
But first of all, you deleted Grinder, which was important.
you know, and you trusted the Lord, this guy.
Unbelievable.
End.
All right, Michael, we're gonna pepper you with a couple questions.
(10:31):
Mm.
All right.
So we talked about the superintendent.
Um.
What's, what's like, I don't know if I want to say favorite, but like, what's a cool superintendent memory that you have? Because you were at a Uh, um, then you or a course that hosted a PGA event, correct? I was so, uh, not like a tell all, but do you have like a fun memory? Like, Oh my gosh, this was kind of cool.
(10:56):
Like I look back on it.
That was fun.
Yeah.
And maybe it wasn't that maybe it was just.
There was a lot of fun memories of it.
.999I think the, the, the funniest memory, um, was, you know, this is tournament day, right? We hosted the Honda, this is back when Honda classic was the Honda classic, um, different chairmen's there was, this is back when Jack was in the last year, he didn't play, but we had some bigger names that were playing. 253 00:11:22,324.999 --> 00:11:24,805 So this was still kind of like a big deal, early 2000s.
(11:24):
Like we're talking 2003, 2004. 255 00:11:28,34.999 --> 00:11:31,525 Um, Um, and the CBS trailers there and everything's cool.
And I had done some tournament prep, um, before.
So that's kind of why they wanted me at this position.
Cause I had some experience doing it other places, maybe for a golf village and Columbus, Ohio, and a couple other places in Myrtle beach and in the South.
.999And I just, it just, I love tournament prep. 260 00:11:46,395.001 --> 00:11:53,285 It was like, how, how far can we push it for the golfers? And I love the game and just the, you know, it was living on the edge as I called it.
(11:53):
Um, you try to keep the grass alive just enough, but.
Almost dead enough that you get the turf conditions as it is.
And so, so it's time, I've got, I've got like three different radios on.
This is back when Nextel was happening.
.96I don't know if you guys remember Nextel. 266 00:12:05,764.96 --> 00:12:07,574.9995 So I had Nextel, I had this radio. 267 00:12:07,574.9995 --> 00:12:08,949.999 I had DJ Radio.
I had all the, I had like all this gear on me and it was time to like, go check out the, the CBS trailer.
(12:14):
So I walk in the CBS trailer and they're about to go live and I just kinda shimmy up to the back of the wall and there's a light switch on.
Um, there's a light switch up there and like it, you gotta understand like this, if you've ever been in a trailer, like there's. 271 00:12:29,265.1 --> 00:12:35,405 Like at least 25 like screens up, right? And it's pitch black in there because they're watching the screens.
(12:35):
The director's going, go to Elvis, go to Mike one, go to Mike two, uh, Elvis three.
.999And they're just spouting out, you know, go to Susie. 274 00:12:42,814.999 --> 00:12:54,959.999 Like they're just, they're producing the show, right? Well, I, um, I bump up against the light switch and turn the lights on and everything goes, goes right on.
And the guy goes, and the director's like, turn the lights off.
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.999I can't see.
And I'm just like, Oh my gosh, I felt like the smallest guy in the room. 278 00:13:02,709.999 --> 00:13:04,149.999 And I'm just like trying to hang out in there. 279 00:13:04,190.001 --> 00:13:05,150 Trauma response. 280 00:13:05,189.999 --> 00:13:05,899.999 Didn't know.
I mean, it's a funny story, but you know, I also got to meet a lot of cool players.
Um, And another fun memory was John Daly when he was playing on the tour.
Yeah.
Um, he obviously would take his bus and he got his bus stuck on some, some lots that we had in, in, in our property.
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And this is the famous RV that parked in front of Hooters at Augusta Avenue.
Yeah, same rv.
Yeah.
So he's Washington Avenue and Augusta and sign all the.
Exactly.
So he's, he's literally driving it, right? He's got a cigarette in his mouth and he's got a bush light, you know, and Natty light kind of whatever it was, you know, here and, and, and he's driving, he's stuck, he's stuck in the dirt.
So we have to tow him out.
Right. 293 00:13:42,469.999 --> 00:13:45,650 And so we have to bring out, we call it big red, this big tractor thing.
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.999We had to bring out the tow him out. 295 00:13:47,159.999 --> 00:13:48,610 He's the one driving it by the way.
So we're towing it out of it.
Um, and, um, that happens like on a, uh, I think it was like a, it was a Tuesday.
He come, he's, he's stuck.
We pull him out this Tuesday night.
Um, it's Wednesday morning.
And if you don't know, like that's the golden pro am, right? So you have to show up and the PGA tour players, like they have to show up. 302 00:14:07,374.999 --> 00:14:08,544.999 They don't show up for this pro am. 303 00:14:08,554.999 --> 00:14:09,174.999 You're DQ'd.
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And so our project manager.
Uh, developer, um, him and his son and the GM and some other people, they were playing the program.
And who would they, who do they want to choose? John Daly.
John Daly.
.9495Well, it's, I don't know, like 9. 309 00:14:23,699.9495 --> 00:14:24,20.05 05, right? 9. 310 00:14:24,20.05 --> 00:14:24,680 08.
.999Like here's the tea time. 312 00:14:26,89.999 --> 00:14:27,159.999 They're on the 10th tea.
.999We're all like wanting to see John Daly. 314 00:14:28,899.999 --> 00:14:29,799.999 Like we're waiting. 315 00:14:29,829.999 --> 00:14:31,860 And like, literally it's like 9. 316 00:14:31,860.1 --> 00:14:33,104.02 03, 9. 317 00:14:33,104.02 --> 00:14:34,347.94 04, 9. 318 00:14:34,347.94 --> 00:14:34,969.9 05.
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And like, there's no John Daly.
.959. 321 00:14:37,149.95 --> 00:14:37,150.05 07. 322 00:14:37,150.05 --> 00:14:37,960 No John Daly.
And it's literally like.
907 and some change and we see this like screaming cart come flying down to it's John Daly down this dirt road to the 10th tee.
He doesn't shake anyone's hands.
He tees off.
He grabs the ball, tees off, and then lights a cigarette, and then shakes everybody's hands.
(14:57):
And I was like, oh my gosh, this is amazing.
Winner's gonna win, man.
Winner's gonna win.
I mean, he's got a PGA and a British Open.
.999He's a super athlete.
I mean Have you ever shaken his hand? Never shaken his hand.
.999With bear claws. 335 00:15:10,124.999 --> 00:15:10,664.999 No, no, no. 336 00:15:10,694.999 --> 00:15:14,055 It feels like you're shaking some, like a marshmallow.
It's the softest hands I've ever I mean, it's I'm not joking.
(15:17):
It's literally like you put your hands in a thing of cool whip.
I mean, it's like, it's, it's the softest hands.
All right.
.999For the people at home that are struggling, uh, as we transition right now into spring and the low country, uh, you know, what, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no grass. 342 00:15:35,884.999 --> 00:15:40,175 What's the, what, what's one tip you give someone in their home lawn right now, since you're agronomist.
(15:40):
.001I mean, it could be like time to water, amount to water, it could be nitrogen, it could be, you know, what are we talking? What's the, you know, I throw grub killer down now or what's your favorite grass? What's your favorite grass? I'm a Bermuda grass kind of guy, but around here you have all the zoysia, you can't do anything right now. 344 00:15:57,644.999 --> 00:15:58,764.999 The temperatures are too cold.
.9You can't do anything until the temperatures are nice.
You have Georgia, but I've got, I've got Bermuda out there, I got, I got.
(16:04):
Variety.
Oh, you don't have to get down.
We don't die into that.
But, um, you know, so like you can't really do it.
.899Like it was, it was 46. 352 00:16:12,824.999 --> 00:16:13,64.999 Okay.
.999Well, I'll tell you what, I'll ask a question. 354 00:16:15,114.999 --> 00:16:15,954.999 You answer this.
So I was told it is better.
You guys true or false this. 357 00:16:20,114.999 --> 00:16:20,404.999 Okay. 358 00:16:21,184.999 --> 00:16:26,944.999 I was told by people that are pretty important in the turf industry in our area that it's better. 359 00:16:27,494.999 --> 00:16:28,904.999 It sounds like a made up sentence.
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.999Well, I don't want to throw them under the bus because I might be interviewing their son one day.
Um, He's on the corn fairy tour members of Berkeley, I Was told it's better to water your lawn like when it's hot at night for a long time once Every four or five days versus a little bit every day because the roots will then dive deeper to get the moisture.
(16:56):
Is that true or false? So that's true.
Okay.
Okay.
So people that water their lawn every day is not good.
.999It's, you want to, you probably want to water it every four days, three to four days and longer. 367 00:17:08,329.999 --> 00:17:08,569.9995 Yeah. 368 00:17:08,569.9995 --> 00:17:09,290 Every three days.
I mean, why do you think, why do you think they water at night? Well, it's well, the sun is gonna, it's not gonna burn.
You're gonna burn the, yeah, for evaporation.
(17:16):
Like what's the soaking time? So like not 15 minutes a day per zone every day.
We're getting two in the week on that, but I need to know.
I went back to my regular zone. 374 00:17:24,440.1 --> 00:17:26,648.2666667 Just give me an idea. 375 00:17:26,648.2666667 --> 00:17:29,980 So I will, I will say, okay, so you had agronomy.
Um, you don't publicize this too much and we just want to get it out in the open.
Obviously, last name's Thomas, part of the Thomas family, which would be.
(17:39):
Some of the best french fries in the world.
Some people say it's McDonald's, I say it's Wendy's.
Um, we won't dive too much into that.
Uh, but I do have a quick question. 382 00:17:49,964.999 --> 00:17:54,614.999 What is your go to Wendy's order? Mmm.
What's your go to right now if it could be so give me the healthy and give me the be the honest like if no one's judging you and you're like, Hey, listen, I'm having a day.
(18:05):
.999I lost 4 to proud on the golf course.
.999I am by myself at home.
I'm going to have a glass of wine or a cocktail and I'm going to have the best Wendy's order ever.
.999What is it? I mean, right now in the stage of my life today, I would say a baconator. 388 00:18:22,869.999 --> 00:18:24,240 No, no cheese.
Martin was hitting you up on the baconator last week.
(18:27):
And, and then, uh, uh, a chili, um, a side chili.
Just, I don't need all the toppings on it, um, with some crackers and I'm good. 392 00:18:35,14.999 --> 00:18:36,265 Ooh, that's all I need.
.9995I'll tell you what I love trying to be like, you know, lean, lean. 394 00:18:40,354.9995 --> 00:18:42,864.999 I mean, I love getting the chili.
And taking a burger with no cheese and breaking it up in a bit or something.
Oh my gosh That is such a good chop it up and throw it in there with it.
(18:51):
Yeah, just make it beefier Yeah, and we'll do that with the protein.
.999I haven't done that.
That's right.
I know What um, do you have a Wendy's order Steven that you like or do the Baconators to go to but? Yeah, I like I kind of do the triple.
So I'll do the cheese.
I'll do all the toppings Crush it off of the bun and Yeah, I love a french fry frosty combo Hmm.
(19:16):
I don't want to ask my kids now dip the french fries.
I understand. 405 00:19:19,864.999 --> 00:19:22,414.999 I'm not I'm just gonna be honest I'm not a huge frosty guy.
So I don't want to go deep into that but So I you know, this could be breaking news.
I don't know but Do you have a secret order from another chain? Fast food chain that you really like or crave that you'd be willing to talk about.
(19:42):
Well, because I have some non competes, um, I can't really Okay.
Well, we have a large listener.
I understand.
I understand.
Um, especially in the beef product, uh, side. 413 00:19:53,159.999 --> 00:19:57,380 Um, so I'd like to, uh, refrain from saying that.
So look, I, I think this is always a fun conversation, but there's so many things that I think we've talked about over the years that I had no idea about with your grandfather.
(20:06):
.999And I think it's just so interesting that I learned for the first time when I met you that.
The burger patty is a square because he decided he wasn't going to cut corners.
And I was like, man, that is just a neat perspective. 418 00:20:19,789.999 --> 00:20:24,139.999 So I know you have a lifetime of wisdom from some of the stuff that got passed on.
But when you said that, I think we were on a golf course.
And I was like, wait, what's one thing? So with that, you know, we'll talk about your granddad real fast.
(20:30):
Um, what's one thing you wish people understood better about your granddad? Because, you know, obviously he was a public figure.
.999Obviously, you know, amazing, you know, what he did, but like, what's one thing that you remember or that you were like, Hey, this is something I wish people knew more about my granddad. 423 00:20:52,340.099 --> 00:20:56,490 I mean, he was obviously a huge, um, public figure.
(20:56):
He, he was really passionate about kids.
Um, you know, he was, he was a foster adopted.
Um, he started the day Thomas adoption foundation.
.999They've done some amazing work throughout the country, the world.
But that matter, I think, um, you know, I think his passion for kids, um, and even my grandmother too, like it's something in the South Florida market, like people really don't realize the impact that they've made down there.
(21:23):
Um, obviously in the Columbus area too, but they were seasonal back and forth.
Um, and they, they did some pretty crazy, amazing things for a lot of people.
.999I will say that, you know, my grandfather, um, you know, was hyper successful.
basically nothing.
.999Um, that was kind of his commitment to the family that he was going to grow up and not, you know, was going to make it. 434 00:21:44,629.999 --> 00:21:45,420 Um, and he did. 435 00:21:45,839.999 --> 00:21:47,399.999 Um, he, he was an innovator.
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He was He, you know, not only did he create a business and a product, but he was cutting edge.
Um, he did things like the square burger.
He invented the drive thru window window.
.999He did things that, um, were basically common sense stuff, right? Um, things that be, you know, make the business more efficient, make things more profitable, right? Um, you know, her grandfather was, he coined the phrase, you know, if you, you know, making a profit, isn't a dirty word because if you don't make a profit, you have nothing to give back.
(22:15):
And so I think he was more than don't skip that he was more charitable.
.9Don't skip that.
That would go back to what he just said.
So a lot of people hear the first part of what your grandfather said is profits, not a dirty word.
And they cut them off.
.999What was the second part? You just said. 446 00:22:32,879.999 --> 00:22:36,130 Cause if you don't make a profit, you have nothing to give back, nothing to give back.
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So that's like, that's that hard, that hard is no money, no mission.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like, we're all capitalists at some level.
.999And so, you know.
We, we, if we're not producing something to help somebody else, like how are we going to help somebody else? And I think my grandfather really is inspired other people in our family.
.999And, and, and, you know, he's made people a lot of money doing a lot of things.
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My grandfather was, was successful, but you know, there's a lot of other people that were a lot more successful.
I've been fortunate enough to be around a lot of very successful people. 455 00:23:10,234.999 --> 00:23:19,430 What age were you when your grandfather passed, if you know what I'm asking? Um, I was probably It was probably in like my late 20s, mid 20s.
.9995So what was your, what's one of your favorite memories that you have of just you, like just through your granddad? You know, so I was like, I was living in Palm Beach Gardens at Fort Lauderdale. 457 00:23:27,479.9995 --> 00:23:34,220 It was probably like an hour drive and my grandfather would just call me up on a random Sunday and be like, dude, what are you doing? I'm at church.
(23:34):
Uh, he's like, are you gonna come down? I'm like, sure.
.999What do you want to do? And so I just go down and hang out.
.999Um, you know, he'd love to go out boating. 461 00:23:42,849.999 --> 00:23:44,800 Um, that was something he'd love to go do.
Um, love to go to restaurants.
You, you, you know, it was my kind of guy.
Um, he, he loved taking care of people, um, you know, whether it's staff and.
Waiters and waitresses, they love trying food.
(23:56):
And my grandfather was, um, it's, it's very common in our family where, you know, it's, let's order all the things just so we can just try it as a family style. 467 00:24:04,679.999 --> 00:24:07,260 Um, you know, when you, when you grow up, you don't have a whole lot of things. 468 00:24:07,669.999 --> 00:24:14,120 Um, and you can buy all the appetizers and maybe some of the entrees as well and share with your family.
I think that's something that he really kind of, you know, I experienced a lot.
(24:17):
I think you do that.
I've seen you do that.
And I always, you know.
Birthday trip past the left.
Yeah, we get more appetizers.
Yeah, so there you go.
That's interesting.
It's uh, caught not taught.
.999Yeah, and I definitely saw my grandfather do things that, you know, I just, you know, I can't even fathom.
You know, like in the, you know, the 80s and early, mid 80s or the 90s and, you know, here's a huge tip to a waitress.
(24:42):
You're like, oh my gosh, like that's amazing.
Like you just see things that you're just like, that's Wow, like what the impact that is for that person, like that wasn't, you know, they're just doing their job But he knows how they were and he knows You know where they are and it's was a pretty cool experience growing up to see, you know, somebody like that It's awesome. 482 00:25:03,349.999 --> 00:25:03,839.999 That's awesome. 483 00:25:04,9.999 --> 00:25:06,19.999 He loved golf, right? He did. 484 00:25:06,269.999 --> 00:25:13,755 He did love golf and You love the Lord Obviously loved Lord, but you did passion of Golf as well.
(25:13):
Did you golf ever or much with him? No, I had a funny story with him.
Um, I didn't, I didn't golf with him at, well, I golf with him.
Um, I did golf with him down at Adios.
Um, I was with him.
.999I didn't personally golf.
I just kind of like hang out, hung out with him.
.999Um, he was golfing with his friends.
.999Um, uh, it's kind of like when you play with me.
(25:35):
Oh, just joking.
That was, Oh, I had to get a burn.
I had to get a burn in.
Where's, where's Martin? Where is he though? I'm joking.
Martin.
Just so you know, Michael isn't a fantastic golfer.
He says he's a seven.
He's a two handicap.
He hits it a mile.
No, I don't.
.999Yes, you do.
.999Not straight.
But you, it's, well, it's the New Jersey slinger.
(25:57):
Um, but, uh, but you hit it a mile and you're a great golfer and I had to take one knock on you.
But so tell me, do you have what golf memory or? Oh, so I was, I was working at, um, I did internship at, um, your field golf village in Columbus, Ohio.
They host Jack's big tournament, the Memorial.
And I was working on like the fourth hole, was doing something random, um, out there and, and, you know, like I, my grandparents, I'd see him from time to time, but I was actually staying with my, I was living with my other grandparents. 510 00:26:26,829.999 --> 00:26:27,759.999 They lived down the street.
(26:27):
Um, my mom's parents.
And, um, I was out there doing my job and all of a sudden like this guy pulls up and almost runs me over and I look up and I'm like, it's my grandpa.
Like, he's like, Hey, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm like, I'm, I'm working like, I don't know, like I didn't know how to respond to him.
Right.
It was just, it caught me off guard.
Um, and you know, it was just a funny kind of silly thing.
(26:48):
He was just kind of goofy.
.9995Um, like that. 519 00:26:50,949.9995 --> 00:26:55,715 So, um, Well golf wise, we'll get on that subject real fast.
Unless Stephen you have a question about his granddad.
I'm sorry.
No golf wise You got any goals in 2025 Michael for golf your so, uh Yeah.
I want to get down.
(27:09):
Like I want to get, it's so funny.
.9995We, you guys constantly like, I want to beat you on a beach and then you play together in these member, member, member guest tournaments. 526 00:27:16,164.9995 --> 00:27:16,865 It's really fun. 527 00:27:17,454.999 --> 00:27:17,664.999 Yeah. 528 00:27:17,664.999 --> 00:27:20,765 And it's like, we can be teammates, but also I want to listen.
Michael, if you say you want to get down to one or two handicap, all you should do is put your scores in. 530 00:27:25,104.999 --> 00:27:25,994.999 That's all I'm going to say. 531 00:27:26,24.999 --> 00:27:26,535.0495 No, no, no. 532 00:27:26,535.0495 --> 00:27:28,535 I need, I need, I want to putt better.
I need to learn how to read greens.
(27:30):
I need to, I need to putt better.
You know, it's really weird.
Like, um, I think reading greens.
In my opinion, I think the eyesight's going bad.
I think reading green, in my opinion, used to be great.
I mean, it's a, it's a combination of how hard you want to hit it.
How do you put, but there's a creativity to reading greens, I think, you know? Oh, for sure.
It's kind of like a lot of people don't, if you've never been to the beach and played bocce ball, you know the is tilted.
(27:55):
And it's funny, if you give a kid a bocce ball on a beach, they will play it up the hill and they know it's gonna break.
Yeah.
.999Why don't we know this when we see a golf green? Like there's a creativity, like just, uh, you know, we try to make too much science to it, but I'm like, cause it's not that simple, right? You're downhill.
.999It looks like it's going this way. 546 00:28:14,379.999 --> 00:28:15,359.9 No, no, no, no.
It feels complex to me. 548 00:28:17,129.999 --> 00:28:27,980 I mean, if, well, a, we'd, you know, probably, Oh, rip tiger with his blown Achilles, but I'd blow Achilles if I was like, Hey, just go for a pass right now.
(28:27):
I don't calculate the temperature, the wind, the whatever.
If you just go running.
And I throw you a ball, I just look at you, I see where you're going to be, and I throw a ball. 552 00:28:37,625.1 --> 00:28:42,045 And I think a lot of that, for me, in putting, is how I putt.
You're a great putter.
You read greens. 555 00:28:44,714.999 --> 00:28:45,644.9 Well, no, no, no, no, no, no.
What I was going to say is I think we're over complicating it. 557 00:28:49,304.999 --> 00:28:57,005 People, actually, including my son, if he listens to this, he laughs at me that I still plumb bob, you know? Yeah, but you see the line, though.
(28:57):
I don't see the shit.
Sometimes with the Bermuda grass, like So we, so we, you know, we're, we're, we're, I typically play like it's champion and, and mini Verde, I believe.
Um, and so.
Wait, where are we playing? I think it's a, uh, is it a Tiff dwarf? A Twift, I think it's a Tiff Eagle.
Tiff Eagle, sorry, it's a Tiff Eagle.
If anybody out there doesn't know what they're saying. 564 00:29:18,489.999 --> 00:29:21,800 Sorry, we're talking about the strains of grass on the greens that we play.
(29:21):
And so for a golfer, like, you know, like that grass has different, like it just It has different grain and it plays a little bit different.
I know that sounds so petty, but when you get down to like that level, it just, it does play a little bit different and you have, you hopefully can give me a lesson someday.
.999Well, we're squaring you up for this, but go back. 568 00:29:40,269.999 --> 00:29:41,330 So what you have a goal.
.999Let's talk about this. 570 00:29:41,899.999 --> 00:29:51,540 We got a couple more questions and we'll wrap this thing up because we don't want to make it too long because I mean, I think if I can get down, I know I'm like a single, but I'd like to get down to a low single. 571 00:29:51,859.999 --> 00:29:53,400 Um, I'd like to hit.
(29:53):
Um, you know, more furs and gers. 573 00:29:56,835.1 --> 00:29:59,755 I mean, I definitely want to be like Fairways and greens people.
Yeah.
I mean, I just need to get hit more fairways.
.95I just need to hit more fairways. 577 00:30:04,434.95 --> 00:30:16,205 If I can hit fairways, I'm, my driver's, my driver's a little bit out of control right now and I need to get that dialed in and my putting is, I putt better when I'm closing my eyes at this point.
(30:16):
Like I just close my eyes and just putt, I can actually make them.
Well, so you guys can't see this, but I'm actually picking up tapping a yellow pad right now.
Stephen.
put a question down here.
That's why I'm going to read Stephen's question.
Okay.
But Stephen doesn't write down questions.
No, but he dictated it to me.
.999Dictated but not read.
Dictated.
So, just on the golf game real fast, okay? This is a would you rather.
(30:39):
There's no right or wrong. 590 00:30:40,484.999 --> 00:30:42,725 This is just a, I feel like this is a trick question. 591 00:30:42,774.999 --> 00:30:43,005 No, no, no.
.999Here's, so Stephen wrote this. 593 00:30:44,964.999 --> 00:30:54,985 He said, would you rather play Augusta, 18 holes with Augusta National with Tiger Woods, but you could never beat Pratt Reed.
The rest of your life.
That's the tradeoff.
Like, would you, what would you rather do? Oh, man.
(31:02):
That's tough.
.899This is a good question. 599 00:31:04,389.999 --> 00:31:05,9.999 Good question, Steven. 600 00:31:05,10.099 --> 00:31:05,729.999 Hey, Steven.
Thank you.
That was a good question.
.999Appreciate that.
So, play 18 holes with Tiger Woods, although he just had surgery, uh, with his new blown Achilles.
But never beat Pratt, Reed, and Goff.
You're a competitive person, which is what I really am of love and drawn to you.
So I kind of secretly think I know where your heart's at, but we probably don't have to answer that right now.
(31:28):
I think, you know, I think I do now.
.95Uh, Steven, I've been asking questions. 610 00:31:33,504.95 --> 00:31:38,364.999 Do you have some questions? Do you have any dad life questions? You have any, Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
.999So we're going to, we're going to get to aha moment for a moment.
And, you know, I was just sharing prior, um, in last week's episode before you got here was, uh, we're.
(31:53):
We always talk about dad life, like what's new and exciting in your dad life journey and stuff.
And you know, you know, if you get too deep into it, but you have a lot of dad life stuff going on.
I'm in it. 617 00:32:04,39.999 --> 00:32:12,219.999 I had to share the birds and the bees conversation with my 11 year old and by, well, all right. 618 00:32:12,219.999 --> 00:32:15,49.999 So fun fact, if you have kids listening, turn this off. 619 00:32:15,159.999 --> 00:32:18,890 So my, my wife did it, right? But it opens the door.
(32:19):
And so we were at.
.999Like two weeks ago and here's why and this is gonna make if you have kids listening, maybe you want to turn this off if they're young but By 11 years old 77 percent of Kids have seen pornography. 622 00:32:39,954.999 --> 00:32:48,790 Are you serious? And they're gonna learn this from somewhere So what we want to do is make sure that we're the first conversation That's happening for them.
(32:48):
Holy cow, that freaks me out. 624 00:32:50,360.1 --> 00:32:52,700 Especially if someone has a smart phone.
That's the thing, that's why there's no social media. 626 00:32:55,20.1 --> 00:32:58,119.999 I mean because 77 percent is not a small number.
That's 3 out of every 4 kids is going to see that before they hear about it from their kids. 628 00:33:03,449.999 --> 00:33:04,149.999 Or from their parents. 629 00:33:04,150.099 --> 00:33:05,800 I'm outta here, I'm moving.
That's a national stat.
And it's just, so anyway, it was like wow.
(33:10):
Okay, so we have to have this conversation.
So we had this conversation.
My wife did it.
She was amazing and it opens up the conversation for more conversations, but That was like the big Baseball bat to the kneecap that we had to deal with at 11, but we all have to go through it.
So I'm glad we got to control the conversation and the narrative before it gets, but how about you? I mean, you have, you know, we've, we've walked through this with you and Shaw for the last four years and you got, we've watched your beautiful kids continue to grow.
(33:43):
Now all of our kids go to school together.
It's amazing.
So give us some insight into what dad life is looking like for you at this age, at this.
Juncture like what is well, yeah, I mean so it you know, you moved to Bluffton, South Carolina four years ago And you think you know what you're doing, but obviously you don't Um, you know, the piece of advice I could give you is like, the minute I think I know what I'm doing, I realize I know nothing.
(34:11):
Um, and, and, I say all that. 642 00:34:13,764.999 --> 00:34:15,395 That's just parenthood, right? That's parenthood, yeah.
Oh good, thank God.
Um. 645 00:34:16,795.1 --> 00:34:18,650 But you guys are, you guys are walking through some stuff.
.899Well, we're walking through some stuff. 647 00:34:19,964.999 --> 00:34:22,015 You know, we're, we're a year, we're about a year.
Tell us a little bit about that.
A year plus into, uh, Mason being diagnosed with type 1 diabetes.
Mm.
That just came out of the blue.
We don't really know.
We don't really have any family history.
(34:31):
.999We're not, um.
Um, you know, we're super, actually super healthy family, to be honest.
.999And it just kind of, you know, it is what it is, right? We missed the signs and he, we had to rush him to the hospital and almost lost him.
And we're just thankful he's alive and you know, he's, he's going to have insulin for right now. 658 00:34:50,824.999 --> 00:34:55,315 Um, you know, we continue to pray that, you know, he gets healed at some point in this journey and this walk.
(34:55):
And, um, it, it's a, it's a completely different ball game.
.999Um, So for us, we are, uh, kind of a different family, um, you know, cause, uh, he can't eat all the things that everyone else can eat. 661 00:35:09,464.999 --> 00:35:11,275 So birthday parties are a little bit challenging.
.999Things are just different, um, and he requires insulin.
(35:15):
.9995He requires, um, a continuous glucose monitor. 664 00:35:18,224.9995 --> 00:35:26,005 He requires on his body, which we put on tonight, you know, we have to change that, um, you know, almost every 10 days.
And he's got a insulin pump that we have to change every three or four days.
Um, and that goes on his body.
.9995So it's, you know, as you raise a, you got diagnosed when he's five, um, uh, at the end of his fifth year. 668 00:35:39,929.9995 --> 00:35:55,055 And, and, and it's been a, it's been a journey of questioning a lot of things, right? Questioning God, what, what's this world look like? Um, what happened? We've seen, You know, half a dozen specialists and we've gone through all the different things and we're going to continue.
(35:55):
We actually have a list of doctors we're going to see this summer and try to find something that will, you know, that's the only mission in my life.
I wouldn't say my only mission, but like, you know, my, my, um, my heart cry at this point now is trying to solve this problem for my son, right? It's, it's, um, it's, it's fascinating and it's complex and we've just kind of come to terms, you know, I know for me personally, as a dad, I've, I've kind of walked through hell and then kind of been super depressed and super, uh, just gone through a lot in the last year and I'm, I've just kind of come to this point where Sean and I have talked a lot lately and just, you know, this year just talking about how I've just been wrestling with God a lot, you know, in this, this past season, like why? You know, why me? You know, this wasn't supposed to be our life.
(36:42):
We're supposed to go do this.
We're supposed to conquer this.
Go do that.
Um, and I know a lot of people, um, in their lives are like, what, why did you choose me? What's happening? Um, but I know he uses it all and I know that on the other side of this, he's going to be, you know, saved and cured and you know, whether it's this side of heaven or, or, or not, you know, I, I know that there's no sickness in heaven, so I know he's going to be fine.
(37:03):
Um, it's just walking it out right now and it's, it's, it's, um, It's, it's been a, it's been a journey.
Yeah.
And it's all encompassing when you first get into it, you know, and I feel like I've seen you guys walk through it a lot to where you've been able to just, you manage better, right? You become, um, Um, more in tune with and more accustomed to, but this radical water boy tackle change that comes out of nowhere to, okay, now we're starting to see what it could look like.
(37:36):
You know, but the good news is this, I've read the book and there's a lot of people that have wrestled with the Lord and I know how the story ends up for them.
And it's, well, I was going to say, it's okay.
I'm thankful.
You just said that.
I got a really cool sermon this past week and.
.999Um, Abraham and just, you know, when he was in the presence of the Lord and he was talking about, you know, destroying Sodom and Gomorrah and, you know, he was like, Oh, what if you find 50? people? And he kept on one.
(38:10):
What do you, you know, what if you find 10 and, and, and he, you know, we don't have to get into it, but just being able to.
Sit with the Lord and have that conversation and question and you're like, wait, I'm questioning the Lord, but the wrestling is where, uh, the Lord aligns your heart with his, his will. 686 00:38:29,509.999 --> 00:38:30,740 And I think wrestling is holy. 687 00:38:30,969.999 --> 00:38:31,279.999 Yeah. 688 00:38:31,349.999 --> 00:38:34,380 I mean, like, I think there's holiness in the wrestle.
(38:34):
Yeah, I think, I think it's taken me a year to find out what that is, right? Like, I didn't really understand what I was doing.
And it might, by the way, it might take more than a year.
No, I But I'm just saying, like, I think, you know, like aligning your heart, like, with God's will, hopefully that's where it ends up. 692 00:38:48,779.999 --> 00:38:54,199.999 Yeah, I think at some point, it's really what it is, is surrendering your own thoughts, right? A lot of trust. 693 00:38:54,389.999 --> 00:38:57,730 It's surrendering my thought of my life and what it was going to look like.
(38:57):
Yeah.
And what my son's life was going to look like.
.9995Like, I didn't think that You know, going to birthday parties was going to be very, you know, this is different, right? Like we can't, yes, we can do all the things with exercise. 697 00:39:10,299.9995 --> 00:39:11,219.999 You can burn off the sugar.
There's lots of things, but it's not, we're not the same.
.999We can't just go have a loaf of bread and like, it just doesn't work.
They're complex carbohydrates.
(39:19):
Not even your homemade sourdough bread? Sucks.
Oh, man.
That is pretty good.
I've been trying all the things.
.9995We've, we've gone down every rabbit hole that's possible and, um, continuously going down rabbit holes, but it's been a journey, man. 706 00:39:32,384.9995 --> 00:39:38,945 It's been, uh, the, the acknowledgement of wrestling, which is normal, which I think we all need to acknowledge at some point.
And then the surrendering of like, Hey, this is not what it's going to look like.
(39:42):
And now I'm at terms of saying, okay, you know what? I'm just going to be that dad.
That's probably gonna be around a little bit more or my wife's going to be around a little bit more and that's okay.
And cool.
I never met a dad on his deathbed who said, man, I wish I was around less.
Yeah. 713 00:39:54,994.999 --> 00:39:56,624.999 So, yeah, I mean, that's true. 714 00:39:56,654.999 --> 00:39:58,454.9995 Some, some benefit to, all right. 715 00:39:58,454.9995 --> 00:40:02,135 So we, we hear the challenges praying for you guys.
(40:02):
I love the, the, the journey and the walk and the growth and you know, it's, it's a challenge, but what's, what's a positive that you could take out of this whole process so far? Between, you know, what it looks like to have this catastrophic event, nearly lose a child, have to readjust and realign, but like, what's a, what's a good takeaway? So far you've had, that's like, okay, well if this didn't happen, this would have never happened or my mindset or whatever.
(40:32):
.9995It sounds cliche, but like, you know, don't sweat the small stuff. 718 00:40:36,54.9995 --> 00:40:38,735 Like literally I think it was raining with this past weekend.
So I'm like sitting on the couch with Mason and we're watching a little bit of golf and kind of, um, Ironically, HHCA was playing, um, John Paul II or III or whatever the school is.
Yeah, JP2. 721 00:40:50,820.1 --> 00:40:51,680 Yeah, JP2.
And so they were playing basketball and we were watching it on, on TV.
(40:55):
And I mean, it's a recording and the kids are watching it and we flip over and, you know, there's some kind of special Olympics, um, or special, I shouldn't even say special Olympics.
It was like special basketball games for these, these gentlemen.
Uh, we're in a wheelchair and some had legs and not legs and some had arms and not arms.
And, and my son who's seven is like, dad, they don't have any arms or legs and they're playing basketball. 727 00:41:18,619.999 --> 00:41:22,560 I'm just like, yeah, buddy, but they're doing it.
(41:22):
Yeah.
.999And I have this aha moment. 730 00:41:24,279.999 --> 00:41:26,180 Like, you know what? My son has arms.
My son has legs.
You know, he might be a type 1 diabetic, but that doesn't mean he's an alien.
It doesn't mean that he's any different.
It doesn't mean that he's, you know, whatever.
I mean, like, we all have, you know, we all have a limp.
It's just how much do we have that limp? How much do we show that? And so, we all walk around with a limp.
(41:43):
.3352941It's just, you know, how much do we expose it to everyone else? And I just, I find that in the The simplicity of saying you know what like we wake up every day And we can actually enjoy each other like we we take things for granted way too much in America so a lot of gratitude Yeah, yeah, well that's a deep dive for Our season 2 episode 1 is coming back. 738 00:42:08,620.3352941 --> 00:42:11,285 Or off and wrong never in doubt listeners did not see this coming.
(42:11):
So, how about you Pratt? I already went through my dad life.
Yeah.
A little bit. 742 00:42:15,844.999 --> 00:42:17,782.54925 And I think we'll just leave it there for me. 743 00:42:17,782.54925 --> 00:42:21,265 How about you? I mean yeah, you got a son going off to college soon. 744 00:42:21,564.999 --> 00:42:30,735 You got No, I, you know, I think, I think, uh, you know, I've got a big trip next week with my oldest Shelby.
Where to? Punta Cana.
(42:33):
Oh, Mexico.
No. 748 00:42:35,165.1 --> 00:42:35,734.9 No.
Punta Cana, Dominican.
Punta Cana? Yeah.
Dominican Republic.
Buy a map. 753 00:42:40,684.999 --> 00:42:41,625 You got Cap Cana.
Yeah.
So, um, but, uh, so yeah, I think, I think our next, I think our next pod, we'll talk about that.
So, um, she might listen, she might listen.
Are you bringing her golf clubs? She's, no, but she might listen to this.
(42:56):
So I don't want to really say this, but I will say that the interesting dad life that I'm contemplating right now is Um, and she's gonna be super embarrassed that I said this.
I think she's been dating her boyfriend in college for over a year now and I like Jackson.
Jackson, if you listen to this, You're my boy, bro, uh, but it's just good.
(43:17):
It's bringing up.
Yeah, you guys have met him.
Yeah, you know, um, we might have to make a trip this again to the thing to do the thing with the bad boy stuff.
Yeah. 765 00:43:27,369.999 --> 00:43:30,180 So, um, bad boys never die.
.999But I will say this. 767 00:43:31,629.999 --> 00:43:43,095 I think I think we're approaching our time cap here on our first So, we will, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll find some structure as we, you know, are interviewing people.
(43:43):
Well, this is a good one.
.999I'm, look, we, we knew that this wouldn't be a little bit longer because we are the three best friends that everyone had.
.999So, lightning round, real fast, aha moment, red pill moment, quote of the week, whatever you like, in terms of, you know, what, what stood out to you? One quote, one, you got one? So I do have one because I actually was on a guest on another podcast today and he asked me, you're cheating on me.
(44:10):
.999Are you cheating on me? I was a guest. 772 00:44:11,969.999 --> 00:44:13,109.999 Oh, okay.
Okay.
Okay.
.9995Okay. 776 00:44:14,99.9995 --> 00:44:14,329.999 Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Um, and you know, he asked me what is one leadership quote that you like? And you know, I probably said this on here, but I'm not sure.
So I'm going to say it again, which is the man on the top of the mountain didn't land there.
Hmm.
(44:30):
And I think about that in every aspect of life, like the things that you admire about others.
At first this was like a really big business quote for me, but now I look at it as like a parent, parental, marriage, like the people that you admire that you say like man, that's the type of marriage I want.
That's the type of Parent I want to be if you had an upbringing like mine, but you didn't want to be, but very clearly, like I'm going to aim for this thing and recognizing that you got to climb that mountain. 785 00:45:04,194.999 --> 00:45:05,654.9995 You could do the work, you to be intentional. 786 00:45:05,654.9995 --> 00:45:08,035 You have to actually step by step, get up that mountain.
(45:08):
You didn't just land on top of it. 788 00:45:10,474.999 --> 00:45:12,265 Nobody is born a great husband.
Nobody's born a great dad.
Nobody's born a great business leader.
Um, we might have some tendencies towards some of those things, but I just love the fact that the truth is that you got some tendencies you gotta do the work.
.999Yeah, I got some I'm sorry.
(45:28):
.9995I'm sorry cam. 794 00:45:28,904.9995 --> 00:46:23,175 I interrupted him So, I don't know if I have a moment but i'm listening to a book right now called the anatomy of a break a breakthrough The anatomy of a breakthrough and it's relatively new It's very scientific Um, the first 30 percent is a lot of numbers, but just interesting to hear the idea of the success story, success stories that we celebrate, um, are the anomalies, you know, um, and there are thousands of success stories, success stories, excuse me, that take years, if not And, you know, this idea of immediate gratification and, um, you know, it's interesting.
(46:23):
I don't know.
.999I just, if you're interested in science and understanding the human psyche, um, is, is, it's a pretty good little read.
Um, I hate to interrupt, but this is kind of what I was leading to with that conversation on this podcast was.
I think the statistic was something like, you know, 65 or 73 percent of high school graduates believe they're going to be a millionaire by the time they're 25.
(46:48):
Wow.
.999Like, we're doing a disservice to our kids, making them think that this immediate gratification, this Insta famous, YouTube star, like, you name it, level of success is that attainable without doing the work? And as a society, we've played into it a little bit, but I think it's just so good to I'll give you, I'll give you an interesting little stat, and um, I mean, I'm gonna blur the lines a little bit, but they were basically saying that, you know, Angel Money, Angel Investors and Venture Capitalists and Silicon Valley, they love youth.
(47:18):
And so they're always looking for the 19 to 23 year olds that have the idea and they did all this information and I'll boil it down the most successful entrepreneurs in the tech space are over 45, even in Silicon Valley, the most money, angel investors, whatever, go to people that are under 25.
(47:43):
.999So the failure of investors.
are really not to look at the data.
And what's really interesting is if you think about the things like Google, that was the 27th search engine.
That had come out.
If you look even Facebook, that was the ninth, seventh or eighth or ninth social media.
So it's not the original. 808 00:48:04,305.1 --> 00:48:06,525 It's whatever happened to Tom.
(48:06):
.999It's not, it's not the original idea.
It's the person that can use someone else's idea in a, you know, with their experience, wisdom and reiterate it.
All I'm saying is it's 47 in two months.
Um, maybe my life and career is not over yet? Not over.
Maybe I have a Maybe we're just getting started, folks.
Maybe.
(48:26):
.9995Maybe. 816 00:48:27,669.9995 --> 00:48:28,799.999 But anyways, sorry.
.7222222It was all about perspective. 818 00:48:30,256.7222222 --> 00:48:33,543.3 Michael, why don't you close us out with one little, any quote, aha, and then we'll wrap it up. 819 00:48:33,543.3 --> 00:48:34,79.999 Yeah, I don't really have a quote. 820 00:48:34,79.999 --> 00:48:34,909.999 I have an aha. 821 00:48:35,169.999 --> 00:48:42,770 I was in a men's group and we were reading this, uh, radical, I think it was radical, radical, what radical husbands do book.
.999And, and it was an interesting book and Um, and a series of things that we were kind of processing and, and I had this whole moment where it talks about, the author talks about burning the boats and the notion that, listen, you can't look back, you can't go back and there's no point in going back.
(49:02):
And I forget exactly who he states, but there was a great, um, Uh, group of people, explore that came over and decided to just, you know, it was like everyone else has failed and I'm going to decide to burn the boats.
.999King Country, King Country has a great song about that. 825 00:49:21,769.999 --> 00:49:23,460 Burn the boats like, you know, like fire.
(49:23):
And so for me to have this kind of aha moment with some of the stuff that I've gone through in my life and some things like, You know, like you carry this baggage with you and it's just time to just let it go, right? Because there's no one else that's, that's holding it back other than you.
.999And so I think about, you know, in my recent past, so just even my son, stuff that I'm holding onto in the last year of expectations and unmet things and what I'm going to do.
(49:47):
And it's just like, you know what, just let it go.
Let it go.
That's good.
It's been this aha moment, um, for me.
Well, let's let 2024 go.
Now that we're deep into 2025. 834 00:49:56,635.1 --> 00:49:57,51.06 Yeah. 835 00:49:57,51.06 --> 00:49:58,298.94 It's uh, Q1. 836 00:49:58,298.94 --> 00:50:02,94.999 Let's let season one go as we're into season two.
Well, we had a lot of fun.
I, I'm glad we're back.
Yeah.
I'm glad we're doing it again.
And And we, uh, appreciate you guys.
(50:09):
We want to say this.
We appreciate the people that have reached out to us and we do mean that and also we've had some fun, which we'll dive into even though we're Christmas.
Remember Gary coming into town and meeting you and like, so we do have some listeners that are doing this, but, um, Hey Michael, thank you for being on the pod.
Uh, we'll take a photo of this Trump wine.
(50:29):
We don't want to politicize it, but it's actually pretty good.
It is pretty good.
.999Nice little Maritosh, I think.
Um, and so what does a meritage mean? Uh, I think it's a blend.
It's a fancy word for a blend.
So it's a blend.
So with that, uh, we'll say salute and, uh, what do you, cheers.
Yeah, let's cheers buddies.
Let's burn the boats.
(50:50):
Hey, there you go.
Burn the boats.
Burn the boats.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Cheers.
And we're the three best friends that anybody could have.
We're the three best friends that anyone could have.
We're the three best friends that anyone could have.
And ladies and gentlemen, there you have it.
.999Episode one of season two.
.9Not only are we back, but we, we already told you, we teased you.
(00:20):
We're togetherness again.
With MT Fry Guy.
Oh my goodness.
Sitting here live in the barn.
Uh, can you say hi? Guys, I gotta be honest, I kinda really wanted to be like, the 1000th episode.
I was, if I can't be first, I want to be last.
But you're first in season two.
.999So, you just blew that.
And then we'll make you a deal. 16 00:00:39,514.999 --> 00:00:41,735 Our 100th overall episode. 17 00:00:41,855.001 --> 00:00:42,464.999 I'll come back. 18 00:00:42,534.999 --> 00:00:46,215 And our 1000th! That'll be Destination.
(00:46):
Let's make a commitment now. 20 00:00:47,445.1 --> 00:00:56,760 Can I get that in writing? Well, the cool thing is, the cool thing is, with, uh, Stephen's patterns of recording, thousands episode, we might be 94.
Um, so we could be in.
Also true.
Hey, we'll be in Boca del Vista together.
Sounds great.
.999Let's do it.
But hey, guys, welcome. 27 00:01:07,144.999 --> 00:01:07,554.999 Welcome.
(01:07):
Welcome.
We are episode one of season two of Often Wrong, Never in Doubt. 30 00:01:12,934.999 --> 00:01:13,465 I'm excited.
.999I'm pumped.
I got my mind.
It's it's late.
It's 8 30.
I think that people have been asking guys.
That's what I've heard and that's why we said, you know what we just have to commit to it I'm gonna stop at the excuses excuses will always be there for you opportunity won't yeah, so here we are Well done and Michael.
(01:31):
.999I'm proud of you guys.
Welcome to the barn, you know interesting fun fact and we'll probably wait to release this at a random time, but Michael and I did break into Pratt's house one time and record an episode. 39 00:01:43,960.1 --> 00:01:46,260 I still have it.
I still have the recording.
Isn't that episode 2. 42 00:01:48,960.1 --> 00:01:49,670 1? It was 2. 43 00:01:49,670.1 --> 00:01:54,140 1 and we have some great photos from it of us breaking into the wine cellar and everything.
(01:54):
We will see, maybe Pratt goes on vacation and we have to release one to keep moving towards episode 100.
I still have some PTSD from that, so I don't know.
You're gonna be okay.
.999I'm gonna have to It's gonna be fine. 48 00:02:03,959.999 --> 00:02:05,770 Forgiveness is a muscle.
A little bit of therapy.
You gotta exercise it.
.999But hey, Michael, thank you for coming along.
.999We're excited to talk with you. 53 00:02:12,39.999 --> 00:02:15,100 Um, we do have some questions lined up, nothing too probing.
(02:15):
But, uh, we have mentioned you many times.
That's for a different podcast.
.5That's after, that's after dark. 57 00:02:23,427.5 --> 00:02:24,934.9 That's after dark.
Well, anyways, uh, we're, we're excited.
We're excited for our large viewing, listening audience to get to know Michael Thomas, the fly guy.
(02:35):
You've been brought up in every episode.
Yeah. 62 00:02:38,74.999 --> 00:02:42,195.0005 People are like, what is this? By the way, I got to tell you, you know that I don't listen to your podcast. 63 00:02:42,195.0005 --> 00:02:42,885 That's fine. 64 00:02:43,64.999 --> 00:02:43,895 Neither do our wives.
Neither do our, neither do.
Yeah, exactly.
Well actually I will give Kim credit.
She did listen.
.999She said, no, she said she just started to listen to them and then.
We stopped because I stopped interrupting people, but tonight I feel like I'm going to erupt because this is the friendship.
(02:56):
No doubt. 72 00:02:57,330.1 --> 00:02:59,140 It's already happened a few times.
That's, that's going to happen. 74 00:03:00,789.999 --> 00:03:02,880 But Michael, I got to give you a compliment off the bat.
Oh boy.
.9995First of all. 77 00:03:04,79.9995 --> 00:03:04,570 That doesn't happen.
.999Well, first of all, two compliments wrapped in enigma. 79 00:03:10,269.999 --> 00:03:10,999.999 Really, not really.
I took a shower today.
One, one, you're looking tan and looking good.
You're getting ready for spring.
(03:17):
Getting ready for the, oh, by the way, you and I have a member, member.
Flight championship to defend coming up.
Yeah, we do.
To defend.
To defend.
Yes.
We got some stuff to work on.
Michael played amazing last year and got us to the, got us to the, got us to the finals.
.999The other compliment I'm gonna say because I normally just post my victories, um, I think I did lose five dollars.
(03:43):
You've lost more than 5.
No, 5 to you.
No, you lost more.
5, I don't bet more than 5.
No, no, just the last time we played, remember? It was 5.
That was the last time we played.
That's what I'm saying.
But the time before that.
.94925Oh, but how about the chip off? That was just playing around. 101 00:03:57,544.94925 --> 00:03:58,325 Oh, pizza money.
Okay, don't look at our Venmo account. 103 00:04:00,284.999 --> 00:04:01,414.999 Um, but anyways.
.999I lost money too. 105 00:04:01,814.999 --> 00:04:03,245 We're gonna, we're gonna get to it.
Let's, let's, let's get to it.
(04:05):
So, um.
We are going to not talk too much this season about wine.
We're just going to tell you what we're drinking and give you a thumbs up, thumbs down.
.999We'll take a picture of it. 111 00:04:15,475.099 --> 00:04:16,544.06327273 You can see it on the gram. 112 00:04:16,544.06327273 --> 00:04:20,045 Maybe where you can find it, uh, if we find a crazy deal.
And if we get sponsored, we will talk more about it.
Yes, 100%.
Whoa, you guys are on the gram? We're on the gram.
(04:25):
Yeah.
So often wrong pod.
Yeah.
Um, but this, this was a special bottle.
This was a gift from MT Fry guy. 121 00:04:32,664.999 --> 00:04:34,875 Um, just makes sense to break out today. 122 00:04:34,914.999 --> 00:04:35,124.999 Yeah.
So it was one of the Trump bottles.
.9995And, uh, so we'll tell you a little bit about it later, but we're not going to dive too much into wine. 125 00:04:40,994.9995 --> 00:04:47,165 We're going to kind of focus again this season more on our guests that we will ask a bunch of questions.
(04:47):
Um, and then when we do have.
Stephen and I only time we will really circle through the golf, the, uh, and, um, the, um, uh, YouTube videos I watch about learning golf family.
Oh, family.
Oh, I have a family. 130 00:05:02,994.999 --> 00:05:03,114.999 Yeah.
Yeah. 132 00:05:03,414.999 --> 00:05:04,154.999 Gosh, darn it. 133 00:05:04,504.999 --> 00:05:05,334.999 Michael has a family too. 134 00:05:05,474.999 --> 00:05:07,65.001 So hey, tell us real fast, Michael.
(05:07):
Give us the 32nd elevator speech.
background.
Everybody's like, who's MTF? Who are you? Where are you from? Who are you married to? How many kids do you have? Yeah.
And when are you getting a dog? So, we're getting a dog supposedly this year.
.999Please, no.
Maybe the start of school season.
We'll see.
No.
I got, I got two, uh, I get to, why can't I just hang out with Janice? Why can't you just bring Janice? You borrow my dog all the time.
(05:30):
Michael, where are you from? Anyways.
Who you married to? How many kids you got? Yeah, so I got two boys.
.999Um, uh, we, we moved to Bluffton, originally from South Florida area.
Spend about, um, 20 plus years in South Florida.
The West Palm Beach area, Palm Beach Gardens.
What were you doing down there? How old are you? Um, I'm, I'm soon to be over the 45 mark.
(05:53):
He's younger than me though.
He's younger than me.
So I'm the elder here.
But what were you doing for 20 years in Florida? So I was, uh, I was in the golf course industry, uh, specifically as a golf course agronomist.
So I worked on golf courses.
.9995So I took care of golf courses. 156 00:06:05,469.9995 --> 00:06:07,130 They call you a super, right? Superintendent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Something like that. 160 00:06:09,349.999 --> 00:06:12,679.999 And agronomy is the study of plants.
Plants and signs.
(06:13):
Plants! I was way off.
I thought constellations.
Yeah.
I got into the club business when I was like 16.
My grandparents owned a golf course way back in the day in Columbia, South Carolina.
And I just kind of fell in love with the game.
.9995I was a soccer player in high school and I hurt my knee and I love sports. 169 00:06:29,354.9995 --> 00:06:30,355 I didn't, I needed an outlet.
And so I picked up a golf club, started swinging it and thought this was kind of something cool. 171 00:06:34,610.1 --> 00:06:37,360 Um, and, um, it is terribly frustrating.
(06:37):
It is.
That's awesome.
So, uh, married? How many kids? Married.
Um, two kids.
Uh, six and seven.
.999My wife, Shaw, um, and my amazing boys, Mason and Hudson that are, are, Hudson's turning six on Friday.
All right. 179 00:06:50,39.999 --> 00:06:50,889.999 Six and seven. 180 00:06:50,889.999 --> 00:06:51,809.999 Mason's seven.
.9995Um, both are at HHCA and we're, we've been up here, I think we've, I think it's four years now that we have officially, it'll be four years next month that we're officially being bluffed in. 182 00:07:03,329.9995 --> 00:07:04,100 If you ask me.
(07:04):
Bluffton, South Carolina was four years ago.
I would have laughed.
I've been like, who lives in Bluffton, South Carolina? This guy.
Um, but my parents are relocated.
And, um, we came up one weekend during COVID and was like, this place is awesome.
Um, West Palm beach, South Florida area was, it was just popping and things were going crazy down there and we just needed a little place to slow down, be more family oriented and.
(07:30):
and looking for a good school system and, and, you know, just good values.
Um, so where we can grow up and sort of driving up and down I 95 and the high pace, you know, I love South Florida and it's great.
Um, but I always call it like the land of the newlywed and nearly dead, um, because you have to have both.
Um, and as a newlyweds, you can have a lot of fun and do a lot of things.
(07:50):
Um, but it's not like the best place to grow, uh, raise a family.
So for me, it was, um, you know, this was a place to slow down, take a deep breath and be intentional as a father with the kids and grow up in the system.
So it's lived up to expectations.
.9995I mean, it is pollen season starting. 197 00:08:05,684.9995 --> 00:08:08,950 I'm not really a That's my only beef about Bluffton.
Um, so yeah, well, so that's your only beef.
(08:13):
.999Plus there's some terrible developer who like tears the trees down and puts, how dare you, sir? No, I don't know who it is. 200 00:08:19,339.999 --> 00:08:24,450 So many trees, like how many, why do we need all these trees? And all these trees weren't even, but that's what I'm going to say.
So here's the fact that people need to know since 1950 to now there's over.
(08:33):
I think 100 percent double the amount of trees in the state of South Carolina because it's planted.
You're required to plant, right? No, no, no.
Planted pines.
.999It's a crop.
It's like planting corn.
Yeah.
You know, for the paper.
.999Anyways, we don't want to get into that.
So, glad you're here. 211 00:08:47,574.999 --> 00:08:50,944.999 Um, glad you made it to Bluffton.
I closed on my house, four years ago.
Wow.
(08:53):
And you were the first person I met here.
And then I met you through Steven.
Yeah, yeah.
It was a weird You're welcome.
It was a weird text taxi ride one morning.
You're welcome.
Oh yeah, that was, that's the whole other podcast.
Pick me up.
Yeah.
You pick me up at 4:00 AM to go, go fly to the moon.
So yeah, when you, when you meet somebody who's, um, you literally have to pick up at like 4 45, and he's standing at the end of his driveway with his backpack ready to go in the dark.
(09:20):
I mean middle of the night dark like dark 30 and I'm like, oh this guy's serious.
I like this guy So we were flying let's Colorado a little just a little leadership conference there.
It was fun.
But yeah That's how we all got to and you know I'll share this because I think it's important when we moved I spent my entire life in the Northeast So just like you were down there for 20 years.
(09:43):
I was up in New Jersey for Nearly 40 years.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, me too.
Oh my goodness.
I'm still recovering actually a lot of PTSD But when we moved down here, you know, we have three young kids my wife and I don't know a soul, but we fell in love with the area and we decided we're gonna buy here and We just prayed like Lord just send us our tribe we cannot date adults Had 40 years old.
(10:09):
We don't have the time effort or energy for it and I mean, this is what the Lord blessed me with here.
So I, I'm just gonna assume he was right.
Well, you followed, we're still working through it.
But first of all, you deleted Grinder, which was important.
you know, and you trusted the Lord, this guy.
Unbelievable.
End.
All right, Michael, we're gonna pepper you with a couple questions.
(10:31):
Mm.
All right.
So we talked about the superintendent.
Um.
What's, what's like, I don't know if I want to say favorite, but like, what's a cool superintendent memory that you have? Because you were at a Uh, um, then you or a course that hosted a PGA event, correct? I was so, uh, not like a tell all, but do you have like a fun memory? Like, Oh my gosh, this was kind of cool.
(10:56):
Like I look back on it.
That was fun.
Yeah.
And maybe it wasn't that maybe it was just.
There was a lot of fun memories of it.
.999I think the, the, the funniest memory, um, was, you know, this is tournament day, right? We hosted the Honda, this is back when Honda classic was the Honda classic, um, different chairmen's there was, this is back when Jack was in the last year, he didn't play, but we had some bigger names that were playing. 253 00:11:22,324.999 --> 00:11:24,805 So this was still kind of like a big deal, early 2000s.
(11:24):
Like we're talking 2003, 2004. 255 00:11:28,34.999 --> 00:11:31,525 Um, Um, and the CBS trailers there and everything's cool.
And I had done some tournament prep, um, before.
So that's kind of why they wanted me at this position.
Cause I had some experience doing it other places, maybe for a golf village and Columbus, Ohio, and a couple other places in Myrtle beach and in the South.
.999And I just, it just, I love tournament prep. 260 00:11:46,395.001 --> 00:11:53,285 It was like, how, how far can we push it for the golfers? And I love the game and just the, you know, it was living on the edge as I called it.
(11:53):
Um, you try to keep the grass alive just enough, but.
Almost dead enough that you get the turf conditions as it is.
And so, so it's time, I've got, I've got like three different radios on.
This is back when Nextel was happening.
.96I don't know if you guys remember Nextel. 266 00:12:05,764.96 --> 00:12:07,574.9995 So I had Nextel, I had this radio. 267 00:12:07,574.9995 --> 00:12:08,949.999 I had DJ Radio.
I had all the, I had like all this gear on me and it was time to like, go check out the, the CBS trailer.
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So I walk in the CBS trailer and they're about to go live and I just kinda shimmy up to the back of the wall and there's a light switch on.
Um, there's a light switch up there and like it, you gotta understand like this, if you've ever been in a trailer, like there's. 271 00:12:29,265.1 --> 00:12:35,405 Like at least 25 like screens up, right? And it's pitch black in there because they're watching the screens.
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The director's going, go to Elvis, go to Mike one, go to Mike two, uh, Elvis three.
.999And they're just spouting out, you know, go to Susie. 274 00:12:42,814.999 --> 00:12:54,959.999 Like they're just, they're producing the show, right? Well, I, um, I bump up against the light switch and turn the lights on and everything goes, goes right on.
And the guy goes, and the director's like, turn the lights off.
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.999I can't see.
And I'm just like, Oh my gosh, I felt like the smallest guy in the room. 278 00:13:02,709.999 --> 00:13:04,149.999 And I'm just like trying to hang out in there. 279 00:13:04,190.001 --> 00:13:05,150 Trauma response. 280 00:13:05,189.999 --> 00:13:05,899.999 Didn't know.
I mean, it's a funny story, but you know, I also got to meet a lot of cool players.
Um, And another fun memory was John Daly when he was playing on the tour.
Yeah.
Um, he obviously would take his bus and he got his bus stuck on some, some lots that we had in, in, in our property.
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And this is the famous RV that parked in front of Hooters at Augusta Avenue.
Yeah, same rv.
Yeah.
So he's Washington Avenue and Augusta and sign all the.
Exactly.
So he's, he's literally driving it, right? He's got a cigarette in his mouth and he's got a bush light, you know, and Natty light kind of whatever it was, you know, here and, and, and he's driving, he's stuck, he's stuck in the dirt.
So we have to tow him out.
Right. 293 00:13:42,469.999 --> 00:13:45,650 And so we have to bring out, we call it big red, this big tractor thing.
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.999We had to bring out the tow him out. 295 00:13:47,159.999 --> 00:13:48,610 He's the one driving it by the way.
So we're towing it out of it.
Um, and, um, that happens like on a, uh, I think it was like a, it was a Tuesday.
He come, he's, he's stuck.
We pull him out this Tuesday night.
Um, it's Wednesday morning.
And if you don't know, like that's the golden pro am, right? So you have to show up and the PGA tour players, like they have to show up. 302 00:14:07,374.999 --> 00:14:08,544.999 They don't show up for this pro am. 303 00:14:08,554.999 --> 00:14:09,174.999 You're DQ'd.
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And so our project manager.
Uh, developer, um, him and his son and the GM and some other people, they were playing the program.
And who would they, who do they want to choose? John Daly.
John Daly.
.9495Well, it's, I don't know, like 9. 309 00:14:23,699.9495 --> 00:14:24,20.05 05, right? 9. 310 00:14:24,20.05 --> 00:14:24,680 08.
.999Like here's the tea time. 312 00:14:26,89.999 --> 00:14:27,159.999 They're on the 10th tea.
.999We're all like wanting to see John Daly. 314 00:14:28,899.999 --> 00:14:29,799.999 Like we're waiting. 315 00:14:29,829.999 --> 00:14:31,860 And like, literally it's like 9. 316 00:14:31,860.1 --> 00:14:33,104.02 03, 9. 317 00:14:33,104.02 --> 00:14:34,347.94 04, 9. 318 00:14:34,347.94 --> 00:14:34,969.9 05.
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And like, there's no John Daly.
.959. 321 00:14:37,149.95 --> 00:14:37,150.05 07. 322 00:14:37,150.05 --> 00:14:37,960 No John Daly.
And it's literally like.
907 and some change and we see this like screaming cart come flying down to it's John Daly down this dirt road to the 10th tee.
He doesn't shake anyone's hands.
He tees off.
He grabs the ball, tees off, and then lights a cigarette, and then shakes everybody's hands.
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And I was like, oh my gosh, this is amazing.
Winner's gonna win, man.
Winner's gonna win.
I mean, he's got a PGA and a British Open.
.999He's a super athlete.
I mean Have you ever shaken his hand? Never shaken his hand.
.999With bear claws. 335 00:15:10,124.999 --> 00:15:10,664.999 No, no, no. 336 00:15:10,694.999 --> 00:15:14,055 It feels like you're shaking some, like a marshmallow.
It's the softest hands I've ever I mean, it's I'm not joking.
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It's literally like you put your hands in a thing of cool whip.
I mean, it's like, it's, it's the softest hands.
All right.
.999For the people at home that are struggling, uh, as we transition right now into spring and the low country, uh, you know, what, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no grass. 342 00:15:35,884.999 --> 00:15:40,175 What's the, what, what's one tip you give someone in their home lawn right now, since you're agronomist.
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.001I mean, it could be like time to water, amount to water, it could be nitrogen, it could be, you know, what are we talking? What's the, you know, I throw grub killer down now or what's your favorite grass? What's your favorite grass? I'm a Bermuda grass kind of guy, but around here you have all the zoysia, you can't do anything right now. 344 00:15:57,644.999 --> 00:15:58,764.999 The temperatures are too cold.
.9You can't do anything until the temperatures are nice.
You have Georgia, but I've got, I've got Bermuda out there, I got, I got.
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Variety.
Oh, you don't have to get down.
We don't die into that.
But, um, you know, so like you can't really do it.
.899Like it was, it was 46. 352 00:16:12,824.999 --> 00:16:13,64.999 Okay.
.999Well, I'll tell you what, I'll ask a question. 354 00:16:15,114.999 --> 00:16:15,954.999 You answer this.
So I was told it is better.
You guys true or false this. 357 00:16:20,114.999 --> 00:16:20,404.999 Okay. 358 00:16:21,184.999 --> 00:16:26,944.999 I was told by people that are pretty important in the turf industry in our area that it's better. 359 00:16:27,494.999 --> 00:16:28,904.999 It sounds like a made up sentence.
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.999Well, I don't want to throw them under the bus because I might be interviewing their son one day.
Um, He's on the corn fairy tour members of Berkeley, I Was told it's better to water your lawn like when it's hot at night for a long time once Every four or five days versus a little bit every day because the roots will then dive deeper to get the moisture.
(16:56):
Is that true or false? So that's true.
Okay.
Okay.
So people that water their lawn every day is not good.
.999It's, you want to, you probably want to water it every four days, three to four days and longer. 367 00:17:08,329.999 --> 00:17:08,569.9995 Yeah. 368 00:17:08,569.9995 --> 00:17:09,290 Every three days.
I mean, why do you think, why do you think they water at night? Well, it's well, the sun is gonna, it's not gonna burn.
You're gonna burn the, yeah, for evaporation.
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Like what's the soaking time? So like not 15 minutes a day per zone every day.
We're getting two in the week on that, but I need to know.
I went back to my regular zone. 374 00:17:24,440.1 --> 00:17:26,648.2666667 Just give me an idea. 375 00:17:26,648.2666667 --> 00:17:29,980 So I will, I will say, okay, so you had agronomy.
Um, you don't publicize this too much and we just want to get it out in the open.
Obviously, last name's Thomas, part of the Thomas family, which would be.
(17:39):
Some of the best french fries in the world.
Some people say it's McDonald's, I say it's Wendy's.
Um, we won't dive too much into that.
Uh, but I do have a quick question. 382 00:17:49,964.999 --> 00:17:54,614.999 What is your go to Wendy's order? Mmm.
What's your go to right now if it could be so give me the healthy and give me the be the honest like if no one's judging you and you're like, Hey, listen, I'm having a day.
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.999I lost 4 to proud on the golf course.
.999I am by myself at home.
I'm going to have a glass of wine or a cocktail and I'm going to have the best Wendy's order ever.
.999What is it? I mean, right now in the stage of my life today, I would say a baconator. 388 00:18:22,869.999 --> 00:18:24,240 No, no cheese.
Martin was hitting you up on the baconator last week.
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And, and then, uh, uh, a chili, um, a side chili.
Just, I don't need all the toppings on it, um, with some crackers and I'm good. 392 00:18:35,14.999 --> 00:18:36,265 Ooh, that's all I need.
.9995I'll tell you what I love trying to be like, you know, lean, lean. 394 00:18:40,354.9995 --> 00:18:42,864.999 I mean, I love getting the chili.
And taking a burger with no cheese and breaking it up in a bit or something.
Oh my gosh That is such a good chop it up and throw it in there with it.
(18:51):
Yeah, just make it beefier Yeah, and we'll do that with the protein.
.999I haven't done that.
That's right.
I know What um, do you have a Wendy's order Steven that you like or do the Baconators to go to but? Yeah, I like I kind of do the triple.
So I'll do the cheese.
I'll do all the toppings Crush it off of the bun and Yeah, I love a french fry frosty combo Hmm.
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I don't want to ask my kids now dip the french fries.
I understand. 405 00:19:19,864.999 --> 00:19:22,414.999 I'm not I'm just gonna be honest I'm not a huge frosty guy.
So I don't want to go deep into that but So I you know, this could be breaking news.
I don't know but Do you have a secret order from another chain? Fast food chain that you really like or crave that you'd be willing to talk about.
(19:42):
Well, because I have some non competes, um, I can't really Okay.
Well, we have a large listener.
I understand.
I understand.
Um, especially in the beef product, uh, side. 413 00:19:53,159.999 --> 00:19:57,380 Um, so I'd like to, uh, refrain from saying that.
So look, I, I think this is always a fun conversation, but there's so many things that I think we've talked about over the years that I had no idea about with your grandfather.
(20:06):
.999And I think it's just so interesting that I learned for the first time when I met you that.
The burger patty is a square because he decided he wasn't going to cut corners.
And I was like, man, that is just a neat perspective. 418 00:20:19,789.999 --> 00:20:24,139.999 So I know you have a lifetime of wisdom from some of the stuff that got passed on.
But when you said that, I think we were on a golf course.
And I was like, wait, what's one thing? So with that, you know, we'll talk about your granddad real fast.
(20:30):
Um, what's one thing you wish people understood better about your granddad? Because, you know, obviously he was a public figure.
.999Obviously, you know, amazing, you know, what he did, but like, what's one thing that you remember or that you were like, Hey, this is something I wish people knew more about my granddad. 423 00:20:52,340.099 --> 00:20:56,490 I mean, he was obviously a huge, um, public figure.
(20:56):
He, he was really passionate about kids.
Um, you know, he was, he was a foster adopted.
Um, he started the day Thomas adoption foundation.
.999They've done some amazing work throughout the country, the world.
But that matter, I think, um, you know, I think his passion for kids, um, and even my grandmother too, like it's something in the South Florida market, like people really don't realize the impact that they've made down there.
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Um, obviously in the Columbus area too, but they were seasonal back and forth.
Um, and they, they did some pretty crazy, amazing things for a lot of people.
.999I will say that, you know, my grandfather, um, you know, was hyper successful.
basically nothing.
.999Um, that was kind of his commitment to the family that he was going to grow up and not, you know, was going to make it. 434 00:21:44,629.999 --> 00:21:45,420 Um, and he did. 435 00:21:45,839.999 --> 00:21:47,399.999 Um, he, he was an innovator.
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He was He, you know, not only did he create a business and a product, but he was cutting edge.
Um, he did things like the square burger.
He invented the drive thru window window.
.999He did things that, um, were basically common sense stuff, right? Um, things that be, you know, make the business more efficient, make things more profitable, right? Um, you know, her grandfather was, he coined the phrase, you know, if you, you know, making a profit, isn't a dirty word because if you don't make a profit, you have nothing to give back.
(22:15):
And so I think he was more than don't skip that he was more charitable.
.9Don't skip that.
That would go back to what he just said.
So a lot of people hear the first part of what your grandfather said is profits, not a dirty word.
And they cut them off.
.999What was the second part? You just said. 446 00:22:32,879.999 --> 00:22:36,130 Cause if you don't make a profit, you have nothing to give back, nothing to give back.
(22:36):
So that's like, that's that hard, that hard is no money, no mission.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like, we're all capitalists at some level.
.999And so, you know.
We, we, if we're not producing something to help somebody else, like how are we going to help somebody else? And I think my grandfather really is inspired other people in our family.
.999And, and, and, you know, he's made people a lot of money doing a lot of things.
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My grandfather was, was successful, but you know, there's a lot of other people that were a lot more successful.
I've been fortunate enough to be around a lot of very successful people. 455 00:23:10,234.999 --> 00:23:19,430 What age were you when your grandfather passed, if you know what I'm asking? Um, I was probably It was probably in like my late 20s, mid 20s.
.9995So what was your, what's one of your favorite memories that you have of just you, like just through your granddad? You know, so I was like, I was living in Palm Beach Gardens at Fort Lauderdale. 457 00:23:27,479.9995 --> 00:23:34,220 It was probably like an hour drive and my grandfather would just call me up on a random Sunday and be like, dude, what are you doing? I'm at church.
(23:34):
Uh, he's like, are you gonna come down? I'm like, sure.
.999What do you want to do? And so I just go down and hang out.
.999Um, you know, he'd love to go out boating. 461 00:23:42,849.999 --> 00:23:44,800 Um, that was something he'd love to go do.
Um, love to go to restaurants.
You, you, you know, it was my kind of guy.
Um, he, he loved taking care of people, um, you know, whether it's staff and.
Waiters and waitresses, they love trying food.
(23:56):
And my grandfather was, um, it's, it's very common in our family where, you know, it's, let's order all the things just so we can just try it as a family style. 467 00:24:04,679.999 --> 00:24:07,260 Um, you know, when you, when you grow up, you don't have a whole lot of things. 468 00:24:07,669.999 --> 00:24:14,120 Um, and you can buy all the appetizers and maybe some of the entrees as well and share with your family.
I think that's something that he really kind of, you know, I experienced a lot.
(24:17):
I think you do that.
I've seen you do that.
And I always, you know.
Birthday trip past the left.
Yeah, we get more appetizers.
Yeah, so there you go.
That's interesting.
It's uh, caught not taught.
.999Yeah, and I definitely saw my grandfather do things that, you know, I just, you know, I can't even fathom.
You know, like in the, you know, the 80s and early, mid 80s or the 90s and, you know, here's a huge tip to a waitress.
(24:42):
You're like, oh my gosh, like that's amazing.
Like you just see things that you're just like, that's Wow, like what the impact that is for that person, like that wasn't, you know, they're just doing their job But he knows how they were and he knows You know where they are and it's was a pretty cool experience growing up to see, you know, somebody like that It's awesome. 482 00:25:03,349.999 --> 00:25:03,839.999 That's awesome. 483 00:25:04,9.999 --> 00:25:06,19.999 He loved golf, right? He did. 484 00:25:06,269.999 --> 00:25:13,755 He did love golf and You love the Lord Obviously loved Lord, but you did passion of Golf as well.
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Did you golf ever or much with him? No, I had a funny story with him.
Um, I didn't, I didn't golf with him at, well, I golf with him.
Um, I did golf with him down at Adios.
Um, I was with him.
.999I didn't personally golf.
I just kind of like hang out, hung out with him.
.999Um, he was golfing with his friends.
.999Um, uh, it's kind of like when you play with me.
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Oh, just joking.
That was, Oh, I had to get a burn.
I had to get a burn in.
Where's, where's Martin? Where is he though? I'm joking.
Martin.
Just so you know, Michael isn't a fantastic golfer.
He says he's a seven.
He's a two handicap.
He hits it a mile.
No, I don't.
.999Yes, you do.
.999Not straight.
But you, it's, well, it's the New Jersey slinger.
(25:57):
Um, but, uh, but you hit it a mile and you're a great golfer and I had to take one knock on you.
But so tell me, do you have what golf memory or? Oh, so I was, I was working at, um, I did internship at, um, your field golf village in Columbus, Ohio.
They host Jack's big tournament, the Memorial.
And I was working on like the fourth hole, was doing something random, um, out there and, and, you know, like I, my grandparents, I'd see him from time to time, but I was actually staying with my, I was living with my other grandparents. 510 00:26:26,829.999 --> 00:26:27,759.999 They lived down the street.
(26:27):
Um, my mom's parents.
And, um, I was out there doing my job and all of a sudden like this guy pulls up and almost runs me over and I look up and I'm like, it's my grandpa.
Like, he's like, Hey, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm like, I'm, I'm working like, I don't know, like I didn't know how to respond to him.
Right.
It was just, it caught me off guard.
Um, and you know, it was just a funny kind of silly thing.
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He was just kind of goofy.
.9995Um, like that. 519 00:26:50,949.9995 --> 00:26:55,715 So, um, Well golf wise, we'll get on that subject real fast.
Unless Stephen you have a question about his granddad.
I'm sorry.
No golf wise You got any goals in 2025 Michael for golf your so, uh Yeah.
I want to get down.
(27:09):
Like I want to get, it's so funny.
.9995We, you guys constantly like, I want to beat you on a beach and then you play together in these member, member, member guest tournaments. 526 00:27:16,164.9995 --> 00:27:16,865 It's really fun. 527 00:27:17,454.999 --> 00:27:17,664.999 Yeah. 528 00:27:17,664.999 --> 00:27:20,765 And it's like, we can be teammates, but also I want to listen.
Michael, if you say you want to get down to one or two handicap, all you should do is put your scores in. 530 00:27:25,104.999 --> 00:27:25,994.999 That's all I'm going to say. 531 00:27:26,24.999 --> 00:27:26,535.0495 No, no, no. 532 00:27:26,535.0495 --> 00:27:28,535 I need, I need, I want to putt better.
I need to learn how to read greens.
(27:30):
I need to, I need to putt better.
You know, it's really weird.
Like, um, I think reading greens.
In my opinion, I think the eyesight's going bad.
I think reading green, in my opinion, used to be great.
I mean, it's a, it's a combination of how hard you want to hit it.
How do you put, but there's a creativity to reading greens, I think, you know? Oh, for sure.
It's kind of like a lot of people don't, if you've never been to the beach and played bocce ball, you know the is tilted.
(27:55):
And it's funny, if you give a kid a bocce ball on a beach, they will play it up the hill and they know it's gonna break.
Yeah.
.999Why don't we know this when we see a golf green? Like there's a creativity, like just, uh, you know, we try to make too much science to it, but I'm like, cause it's not that simple, right? You're downhill.
.999It looks like it's going this way. 546 00:28:14,379.999 --> 00:28:15,359.9 No, no, no, no.
It feels complex to me. 548 00:28:17,129.999 --> 00:28:27,980 I mean, if, well, a, we'd, you know, probably, Oh, rip tiger with his blown Achilles, but I'd blow Achilles if I was like, Hey, just go for a pass right now.
(28:27):
I don't calculate the temperature, the wind, the whatever.
If you just go running.
And I throw you a ball, I just look at you, I see where you're going to be, and I throw a ball. 552 00:28:37,625.1 --> 00:28:42,045 And I think a lot of that, for me, in putting, is how I putt.
You're a great putter.
You read greens. 555 00:28:44,714.999 --> 00:28:45,644.9 Well, no, no, no, no, no, no.
What I was going to say is I think we're over complicating it. 557 00:28:49,304.999 --> 00:28:57,005 People, actually, including my son, if he listens to this, he laughs at me that I still plumb bob, you know? Yeah, but you see the line, though.
(28:57):
I don't see the shit.
Sometimes with the Bermuda grass, like So we, so we, you know, we're, we're, we're, I typically play like it's champion and, and mini Verde, I believe.
Um, and so.
Wait, where are we playing? I think it's a, uh, is it a Tiff dwarf? A Twift, I think it's a Tiff Eagle.
Tiff Eagle, sorry, it's a Tiff Eagle.
If anybody out there doesn't know what they're saying. 564 00:29:18,489.999 --> 00:29:21,800 Sorry, we're talking about the strains of grass on the greens that we play.
(29:21):
And so for a golfer, like, you know, like that grass has different, like it just It has different grain and it plays a little bit different.
I know that sounds so petty, but when you get down to like that level, it just, it does play a little bit different and you have, you hopefully can give me a lesson someday.
.999Well, we're squaring you up for this, but go back. 568 00:29:40,269.999 --> 00:29:41,330 So what you have a goal.
.999Let's talk about this. 570 00:29:41,899.999 --> 00:29:51,540 We got a couple more questions and we'll wrap this thing up because we don't want to make it too long because I mean, I think if I can get down, I know I'm like a single, but I'd like to get down to a low single. 571 00:29:51,859.999 --> 00:29:53,400 Um, I'd like to hit.
(29:53):
Um, you know, more furs and gers. 573 00:29:56,835.1 --> 00:29:59,755 I mean, I definitely want to be like Fairways and greens people.
Yeah.
I mean, I just need to get hit more fairways.
.95I just need to hit more fairways. 577 00:30:04,434.95 --> 00:30:16,205 If I can hit fairways, I'm, my driver's, my driver's a little bit out of control right now and I need to get that dialed in and my putting is, I putt better when I'm closing my eyes at this point.
(30:16):
Like I just close my eyes and just putt, I can actually make them.
Well, so you guys can't see this, but I'm actually picking up tapping a yellow pad right now.
Stephen.
put a question down here.
That's why I'm going to read Stephen's question.
Okay.
But Stephen doesn't write down questions.
No, but he dictated it to me.
.999Dictated but not read.
Dictated.
So, just on the golf game real fast, okay? This is a would you rather.
(30:39):
There's no right or wrong. 590 00:30:40,484.999 --> 00:30:42,725 This is just a, I feel like this is a trick question. 591 00:30:42,774.999 --> 00:30:43,005 No, no, no.
.999Here's, so Stephen wrote this. 593 00:30:44,964.999 --> 00:30:54,985 He said, would you rather play Augusta, 18 holes with Augusta National with Tiger Woods, but you could never beat Pratt Reed.
The rest of your life.
That's the tradeoff.
Like, would you, what would you rather do? Oh, man.
(31:02):
That's tough.
.899This is a good question. 599 00:31:04,389.999 --> 00:31:05,9.999 Good question, Steven. 600 00:31:05,10.099 --> 00:31:05,729.999 Hey, Steven.
Thank you.
That was a good question.
.999Appreciate that.
So, play 18 holes with Tiger Woods, although he just had surgery, uh, with his new blown Achilles.
But never beat Pratt, Reed, and Goff.
You're a competitive person, which is what I really am of love and drawn to you.
So I kind of secretly think I know where your heart's at, but we probably don't have to answer that right now.
(31:28):
I think, you know, I think I do now.
.95Uh, Steven, I've been asking questions. 610 00:31:33,504.95 --> 00:31:38,364.999 Do you have some questions? Do you have any dad life questions? You have any, Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
.999So we're going to, we're going to get to aha moment for a moment.
And, you know, I was just sharing prior, um, in last week's episode before you got here was, uh, we're.
(31:53):
We always talk about dad life, like what's new and exciting in your dad life journey and stuff.
And you know, you know, if you get too deep into it, but you have a lot of dad life stuff going on.
I'm in it. 617 00:32:04,39.999 --> 00:32:12,219.999 I had to share the birds and the bees conversation with my 11 year old and by, well, all right. 618 00:32:12,219.999 --> 00:32:15,49.999 So fun fact, if you have kids listening, turn this off. 619 00:32:15,159.999 --> 00:32:18,890 So my, my wife did it, right? But it opens the door.
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And so we were at.
.999Like two weeks ago and here's why and this is gonna make if you have kids listening, maybe you want to turn this off if they're young but By 11 years old 77 percent of Kids have seen pornography. 622 00:32:39,954.999 --> 00:32:48,790 Are you serious? And they're gonna learn this from somewhere So what we want to do is make sure that we're the first conversation That's happening for them.
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Holy cow, that freaks me out. 624 00:32:50,360.1 --> 00:32:52,700 Especially if someone has a smart phone.
That's the thing, that's why there's no social media. 626 00:32:55,20.1 --> 00:32:58,119.999 I mean because 77 percent is not a small number.
That's 3 out of every 4 kids is going to see that before they hear about it from their kids. 628 00:33:03,449.999 --> 00:33:04,149.999 Or from their parents. 629 00:33:04,150.099 --> 00:33:05,800 I'm outta here, I'm moving.
That's a national stat.
And it's just, so anyway, it was like wow.
(33:10):
Okay, so we have to have this conversation.
So we had this conversation.
My wife did it.
She was amazing and it opens up the conversation for more conversations, but That was like the big Baseball bat to the kneecap that we had to deal with at 11, but we all have to go through it.
So I'm glad we got to control the conversation and the narrative before it gets, but how about you? I mean, you have, you know, we've, we've walked through this with you and Shaw for the last four years and you got, we've watched your beautiful kids continue to grow.
(33:43):
Now all of our kids go to school together.
It's amazing.
So give us some insight into what dad life is looking like for you at this age, at this.
Juncture like what is well, yeah, I mean so it you know, you moved to Bluffton, South Carolina four years ago And you think you know what you're doing, but obviously you don't Um, you know, the piece of advice I could give you is like, the minute I think I know what I'm doing, I realize I know nothing.
(34:11):
Um, and, and, I say all that. 642 00:34:13,764.999 --> 00:34:15,395 That's just parenthood, right? That's parenthood, yeah.
Oh good, thank God.
Um. 645 00:34:16,795.1 --> 00:34:18,650 But you guys are, you guys are walking through some stuff.
.899Well, we're walking through some stuff. 647 00:34:19,964.999 --> 00:34:22,015 You know, we're, we're a year, we're about a year.
Tell us a little bit about that.
A year plus into, uh, Mason being diagnosed with type 1 diabetes.
Mm.
That just came out of the blue.
We don't really know.
We don't really have any family history.
(34:31):
.999We're not, um.
Um, you know, we're super, actually super healthy family, to be honest.
.999And it just kind of, you know, it is what it is, right? We missed the signs and he, we had to rush him to the hospital and almost lost him.
And we're just thankful he's alive and you know, he's, he's going to have insulin for right now. 658 00:34:50,824.999 --> 00:34:55,315 Um, you know, we continue to pray that, you know, he gets healed at some point in this journey and this walk.
(34:55):
And, um, it, it's a, it's a completely different ball game.
.999Um, So for us, we are, uh, kind of a different family, um, you know, cause, uh, he can't eat all the things that everyone else can eat. 661 00:35:09,464.999 --> 00:35:11,275 So birthday parties are a little bit challenging.
.999Things are just different, um, and he requires insulin.
(35:15):
.9995He requires, um, a continuous glucose monitor. 664 00:35:18,224.9995 --> 00:35:26,005 He requires on his body, which we put on tonight, you know, we have to change that, um, you know, almost every 10 days.
And he's got a insulin pump that we have to change every three or four days.
Um, and that goes on his body.
.9995So it's, you know, as you raise a, you got diagnosed when he's five, um, uh, at the end of his fifth year. 668 00:35:39,929.9995 --> 00:35:55,055 And, and, and it's been a, it's been a journey of questioning a lot of things, right? Questioning God, what, what's this world look like? Um, what happened? We've seen, You know, half a dozen specialists and we've gone through all the different things and we're going to continue.
(35:55):
We actually have a list of doctors we're going to see this summer and try to find something that will, you know, that's the only mission in my life.
I wouldn't say my only mission, but like, you know, my, my, um, my heart cry at this point now is trying to solve this problem for my son, right? It's, it's, um, it's, it's fascinating and it's complex and we've just kind of come to terms, you know, I know for me personally, as a dad, I've, I've kind of walked through hell and then kind of been super depressed and super, uh, just gone through a lot in the last year and I'm, I've just kind of come to this point where Sean and I have talked a lot lately and just, you know, this year just talking about how I've just been wrestling with God a lot, you know, in this, this past season, like why? You know, why me? You know, this wasn't supposed to be our life.
(36:42):
We're supposed to go do this.
We're supposed to conquer this.
Go do that.
Um, and I know a lot of people, um, in their lives are like, what, why did you choose me? What's happening? Um, but I know he uses it all and I know that on the other side of this, he's going to be, you know, saved and cured and you know, whether it's this side of heaven or, or, or not, you know, I, I know that there's no sickness in heaven, so I know he's going to be fine.
(37:03):
Um, it's just walking it out right now and it's, it's, it's, um, It's, it's been a, it's been a journey.
Yeah.
And it's all encompassing when you first get into it, you know, and I feel like I've seen you guys walk through it a lot to where you've been able to just, you manage better, right? You become, um, Um, more in tune with and more accustomed to, but this radical water boy tackle change that comes out of nowhere to, okay, now we're starting to see what it could look like.
(37:36):
You know, but the good news is this, I've read the book and there's a lot of people that have wrestled with the Lord and I know how the story ends up for them.
And it's, well, I was going to say, it's okay.
I'm thankful.
You just said that.
I got a really cool sermon this past week and.
.999Um, Abraham and just, you know, when he was in the presence of the Lord and he was talking about, you know, destroying Sodom and Gomorrah and, you know, he was like, Oh, what if you find 50? people? And he kept on one.
(38:10):
What do you, you know, what if you find 10 and, and, and he, you know, we don't have to get into it, but just being able to.
Sit with the Lord and have that conversation and question and you're like, wait, I'm questioning the Lord, but the wrestling is where, uh, the Lord aligns your heart with his, his will. 686 00:38:29,509.999 --> 00:38:30,740 And I think wrestling is holy. 687 00:38:30,969.999 --> 00:38:31,279.999 Yeah. 688 00:38:31,349.999 --> 00:38:34,380 I mean, like, I think there's holiness in the wrestle.
(38:34):
Yeah, I think, I think it's taken me a year to find out what that is, right? Like, I didn't really understand what I was doing.
And it might, by the way, it might take more than a year.
No, I But I'm just saying, like, I think, you know, like aligning your heart, like, with God's will, hopefully that's where it ends up. 692 00:38:48,779.999 --> 00:38:54,199.999 Yeah, I think at some point, it's really what it is, is surrendering your own thoughts, right? A lot of trust. 693 00:38:54,389.999 --> 00:38:57,730 It's surrendering my thought of my life and what it was going to look like.
(38:57):
Yeah.
And what my son's life was going to look like.
.9995Like, I didn't think that You know, going to birthday parties was going to be very, you know, this is different, right? Like we can't, yes, we can do all the things with exercise. 697 00:39:10,299.9995 --> 00:39:11,219.999 You can burn off the sugar.
There's lots of things, but it's not, we're not the same.
.999We can't just go have a loaf of bread and like, it just doesn't work.
They're complex carbohydrates.
(39:19):
Not even your homemade sourdough bread? Sucks.
Oh, man.
That is pretty good.
I've been trying all the things.
.9995We've, we've gone down every rabbit hole that's possible and, um, continuously going down rabbit holes, but it's been a journey, man. 706 00:39:32,384.9995 --> 00:39:38,945 It's been, uh, the, the acknowledgement of wrestling, which is normal, which I think we all need to acknowledge at some point.
And then the surrendering of like, Hey, this is not what it's going to look like.
(39:42):
And now I'm at terms of saying, okay, you know what? I'm just going to be that dad.
That's probably gonna be around a little bit more or my wife's going to be around a little bit more and that's okay.
And cool.
I never met a dad on his deathbed who said, man, I wish I was around less.
Yeah. 713 00:39:54,994.999 --> 00:39:56,624.999 So, yeah, I mean, that's true. 714 00:39:56,654.999 --> 00:39:58,454.9995 Some, some benefit to, all right. 715 00:39:58,454.9995 --> 00:40:02,135 So we, we hear the challenges praying for you guys.
(40:02):
I love the, the, the journey and the walk and the growth and you know, it's, it's a challenge, but what's, what's a positive that you could take out of this whole process so far? Between, you know, what it looks like to have this catastrophic event, nearly lose a child, have to readjust and realign, but like, what's a, what's a good takeaway? So far you've had, that's like, okay, well if this didn't happen, this would have never happened or my mindset or whatever.
(40:32):
.9995It sounds cliche, but like, you know, don't sweat the small stuff. 718 00:40:36,54.9995 --> 00:40:38,735 Like literally I think it was raining with this past weekend.
So I'm like sitting on the couch with Mason and we're watching a little bit of golf and kind of, um, Ironically, HHCA was playing, um, John Paul II or III or whatever the school is.
Yeah, JP2. 721 00:40:50,820.1 --> 00:40:51,680 Yeah, JP2.
And so they were playing basketball and we were watching it on, on TV.
(40:55):
And I mean, it's a recording and the kids are watching it and we flip over and, you know, there's some kind of special Olympics, um, or special, I shouldn't even say special Olympics.
It was like special basketball games for these, these gentlemen.
Uh, we're in a wheelchair and some had legs and not legs and some had arms and not arms.
And, and my son who's seven is like, dad, they don't have any arms or legs and they're playing basketball. 727 00:41:18,619.999 --> 00:41:22,560 I'm just like, yeah, buddy, but they're doing it.
(41:22):
Yeah.
.999And I have this aha moment. 730 00:41:24,279.999 --> 00:41:26,180 Like, you know what? My son has arms.
My son has legs.
You know, he might be a type 1 diabetic, but that doesn't mean he's an alien.
It doesn't mean that he's any different.
It doesn't mean that he's, you know, whatever.
I mean, like, we all have, you know, we all have a limp.
It's just how much do we have that limp? How much do we show that? And so, we all walk around with a limp.
(41:43):
.3352941It's just, you know, how much do we expose it to everyone else? And I just, I find that in the The simplicity of saying you know what like we wake up every day And we can actually enjoy each other like we we take things for granted way too much in America so a lot of gratitude Yeah, yeah, well that's a deep dive for Our season 2 episode 1 is coming back. 738 00:42:08,620.3352941 --> 00:42:11,285 Or off and wrong never in doubt listeners did not see this coming.
(42:11):
So, how about you Pratt? I already went through my dad life.
Yeah.
A little bit. 742 00:42:15,844.999 --> 00:42:17,782.54925 And I think we'll just leave it there for me. 743 00:42:17,782.54925 --> 00:42:21,265 How about you? I mean yeah, you got a son going off to college soon. 744 00:42:21,564.999 --> 00:42:30,735 You got No, I, you know, I think, I think, uh, you know, I've got a big trip next week with my oldest Shelby.
Where to? Punta Cana.
(42:33):
Oh, Mexico.
No. 748 00:42:35,165.1 --> 00:42:35,734.9 No.
Punta Cana, Dominican.
Punta Cana? Yeah.
Dominican Republic.
Buy a map. 753 00:42:40,684.999 --> 00:42:41,625 You got Cap Cana.
Yeah.
So, um, but, uh, so yeah, I think, I think our next, I think our next pod, we'll talk about that.
So, um, she might listen, she might listen.
Are you bringing her golf clubs? She's, no, but she might listen to this.
(42:56):
So I don't want to really say this, but I will say that the interesting dad life that I'm contemplating right now is Um, and she's gonna be super embarrassed that I said this.
I think she's been dating her boyfriend in college for over a year now and I like Jackson.
Jackson, if you listen to this, You're my boy, bro, uh, but it's just good.
(43:17):
It's bringing up.
Yeah, you guys have met him.
Yeah, you know, um, we might have to make a trip this again to the thing to do the thing with the bad boy stuff.
Yeah. 765 00:43:27,369.999 --> 00:43:30,180 So, um, bad boys never die.
.999But I will say this. 767 00:43:31,629.999 --> 00:43:43,095 I think I think we're approaching our time cap here on our first So, we will, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll find some structure as we, you know, are interviewing people.
(43:43):
Well, this is a good one.
.999I'm, look, we, we knew that this wouldn't be a little bit longer because we are the three best friends that everyone had.
.999So, lightning round, real fast, aha moment, red pill moment, quote of the week, whatever you like, in terms of, you know, what, what stood out to you? One quote, one, you got one? So I do have one because I actually was on a guest on another podcast today and he asked me, you're cheating on me.
(44:10):
.999Are you cheating on me? I was a guest. 772 00:44:11,969.999 --> 00:44:13,109.999 Oh, okay.
Okay.
Okay.
.9995Okay. 776 00:44:14,99.9995 --> 00:44:14,329.999 Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Um, and you know, he asked me what is one leadership quote that you like? And you know, I probably said this on here, but I'm not sure.
So I'm going to say it again, which is the man on the top of the mountain didn't land there.
Hmm.
(44:30):
And I think about that in every aspect of life, like the things that you admire about others.
At first this was like a really big business quote for me, but now I look at it as like a parent, parental, marriage, like the people that you admire that you say like man, that's the type of marriage I want.
That's the type of Parent I want to be if you had an upbringing like mine, but you didn't want to be, but very clearly, like I'm going to aim for this thing and recognizing that you got to climb that mountain. 785 00:45:04,194.999 --> 00:45:05,654.9995 You could do the work, you to be intentional. 786 00:45:05,654.9995 --> 00:45:08,035 You have to actually step by step, get up that mountain.
(45:08):
You didn't just land on top of it. 788 00:45:10,474.999 --> 00:45:12,265 Nobody is born a great husband.
Nobody's born a great dad.
Nobody's born a great business leader.
Um, we might have some tendencies towards some of those things, but I just love the fact that the truth is that you got some tendencies you gotta do the work.
.999Yeah, I got some I'm sorry.
(45:28):
.9995I'm sorry cam. 794 00:45:28,904.9995 --> 00:46:23,175 I interrupted him So, I don't know if I have a moment but i'm listening to a book right now called the anatomy of a break a breakthrough The anatomy of a breakthrough and it's relatively new It's very scientific Um, the first 30 percent is a lot of numbers, but just interesting to hear the idea of the success story, success stories that we celebrate, um, are the anomalies, you know, um, and there are thousands of success stories, success stories, excuse me, that take years, if not And, you know, this idea of immediate gratification and, um, you know, it's interesting.
(46:23):
I don't know.
.999I just, if you're interested in science and understanding the human psyche, um, is, is, it's a pretty good little read.
Um, I hate to interrupt, but this is kind of what I was leading to with that conversation on this podcast was.
I think the statistic was something like, you know, 65 or 73 percent of high school graduates believe they're going to be a millionaire by the time they're 25.
(46:48):
Wow.
.999Like, we're doing a disservice to our kids, making them think that this immediate gratification, this Insta famous, YouTube star, like, you name it, level of success is that attainable without doing the work? And as a society, we've played into it a little bit, but I think it's just so good to I'll give you, I'll give you an interesting little stat, and um, I mean, I'm gonna blur the lines a little bit, but they were basically saying that, you know, Angel Money, Angel Investors and Venture Capitalists and Silicon Valley, they love youth.
(47:18):
And so they're always looking for the 19 to 23 year olds that have the idea and they did all this information and I'll boil it down the most successful entrepreneurs in the tech space are over 45, even in Silicon Valley, the most money, angel investors, whatever, go to people that are under 25.
(47:43):
.999So the failure of investors.
are really not to look at the data.
And what's really interesting is if you think about the things like Google, that was the 27th search engine.
That had come out.
If you look even Facebook, that was the ninth, seventh or eighth or ninth social media.
So it's not the original. 808 00:48:04,305.1 --> 00:48:06,525 It's whatever happened to Tom.
(48:06):
.999It's not, it's not the original idea.
It's the person that can use someone else's idea in a, you know, with their experience, wisdom and reiterate it.
All I'm saying is it's 47 in two months.
Um, maybe my life and career is not over yet? Not over.
Maybe I have a Maybe we're just getting started, folks.
Maybe.
(48:26):
.9995Maybe. 816 00:48:27,669.9995 --> 00:48:28,799.999 But anyways, sorry.
.7222222It was all about perspective. 818 00:48:30,256.7222222 --> 00:48:33,543.3 Michael, why don't you close us out with one little, any quote, aha, and then we'll wrap it up. 819 00:48:33,543.3 --> 00:48:34,79.999 Yeah, I don't really have a quote. 820 00:48:34,79.999 --> 00:48:34,909.999 I have an aha. 821 00:48:35,169.999 --> 00:48:42,770 I was in a men's group and we were reading this, uh, radical, I think it was radical, radical, what radical husbands do book.
.999And, and it was an interesting book and Um, and a series of things that we were kind of processing and, and I had this whole moment where it talks about, the author talks about burning the boats and the notion that, listen, you can't look back, you can't go back and there's no point in going back.
(49:02):
And I forget exactly who he states, but there was a great, um, Uh, group of people, explore that came over and decided to just, you know, it was like everyone else has failed and I'm going to decide to burn the boats.
.999King Country, King Country has a great song about that. 825 00:49:21,769.999 --> 00:49:23,460 Burn the boats like, you know, like fire.
(49:23):
And so for me to have this kind of aha moment with some of the stuff that I've gone through in my life and some things like, You know, like you carry this baggage with you and it's just time to just let it go, right? Because there's no one else that's, that's holding it back other than you.
.999And so I think about, you know, in my recent past, so just even my son, stuff that I'm holding onto in the last year of expectations and unmet things and what I'm going to do.
(49:47):
And it's just like, you know what, just let it go.
Let it go.
That's good.
It's been this aha moment, um, for me.
Well, let's let 2024 go.
Now that we're deep into 2025. 834 00:49:56,635.1 --> 00:49:57,51.06 Yeah. 835 00:49:57,51.06 --> 00:49:58,298.94 It's uh, Q1. 836 00:49:58,298.94 --> 00:50:02,94.999 Let's let season one go as we're into season two.
Well, we had a lot of fun.
I, I'm glad we're back.
Yeah.
I'm glad we're doing it again.
And And we, uh, appreciate you guys.
(50:09):
We want to say this.
We appreciate the people that have reached out to us and we do mean that and also we've had some fun, which we'll dive into even though we're Christmas.
Remember Gary coming into town and meeting you and like, so we do have some listeners that are doing this, but, um, Hey Michael, thank you for being on the pod.
Uh, we'll take a photo of this Trump wine.
(50:29):
We don't want to politicize it, but it's actually pretty good.
It is pretty good.
.999Nice little Maritosh, I think.
Um, and so what does a meritage mean? Uh, I think it's a blend.
It's a fancy word for a blend.
So it's a blend.
So with that, uh, we'll say salute and, uh, what do you, cheers.
Yeah, let's cheers buddies.
Let's burn the boats.
(50:50):
Hey, there you go.
Burn the boats.
Burn the boats.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Cheers.
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