What if the greatest obstacle you faced became your greatest opportunity? For Lisa Herron, a devastating farming accident at age 40 that required her fifth knee surgery didn't end her athletic journey—it transformed it. Trading running shoes for walking ones, Lisa discovered an unexpected path forward that would lead to extraordinary achievements and a reimagined relationship with movement.
Lisa's power walking prowess shatters preconceptions about what walking can accomplish. Maintaining a consistent 10-minute mile pace, she often overtakes runners during races, playfully noting she might be "on my second or third beer" by the time they cross the finish line. Her athletic feats include walking 100 miles in under 27 hours as the only woman and only walker to complete an ultramarathon, and accumulating over 19,000 miles between 2021-2024—equaling more than 38 million steps.
The physical challenges Lisa has overcome would sideline most athletes permanently. Beyond her knee surgeries, she's endured two cervical spine surgeries requiring seven screws, two plates, and cadaver bones; endured nine foot surgeries; manages diabetes; and has undergone two heart catheterizations. Yet these obstacles have only strengthened her resolve. Her approach to health blends realism with optimism: "I'm just a well-fueled machine with some expensive drugs set in a pillbox."
Lisa's commitment to movement has dramatically transformed her health markers, with triglycerides dropping from a dangerous 500 to a healthy 88. Her daily routine typically begins with 8-10 morning miles, followed by additional walking throughout the day. Her current goal—6,000 miles in 2025—requires consistent daily effort that she embraces regardless of weather or circumstances, "embracing the suck" on difficult days.
Beyond personal achievements, Lisa channels her passion for movement into community service as a mini-marathon ambassador advocating for walkers' inclusion, volunteering at Wheeler Mission's Drumstick Dash, and training her dog for children's reading therapy. Her message resonates clearly: there are no valid excuses for immobility, only opportunities to adapt and overcome.
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Today we're going to be speakingto Lisa Heron Incredible story.
(01:28):
We talked a lot off air as well.
Yeah, she's an incredible woman, so hopefully you will enjoy
her podcast and get out thereand do something.
She really proves that thereare no excuses.
Everybody can get up and move,so enjoy the program.
Hey, lisa, welcome to the show.
(01:49):
Hey, carla, thanks for theinvite.
Appreciate it Absolutely.
It's great to have you here.
So let's talk running.
When did you start running?
Why did you start running?
Let's start from the beginning,okay.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, I had to transition into power walking,
so I'm a little different inthat regards than most.
But I started a lifetime agowith running, you know, when I
was in junior high, high schooltrack, have always been involved
in sports and then finally hadto get to the point I was
(02:26):
involved in a bad farmingaccident when I was 40 and ended
up having to completelytransition.
That gave me my fifth kneesurgery, and so then I started
power walking, and so that wasright around 2012 and set a goal
that year to walk six halfmarathons.
(02:47):
So I'm a little unique becauseI can hold my own with a lot of
runners.
I can easily walk a 10 minutemile.
Wow, that's incredible.
So totally different gate, youknow, and for those that like to
make fun of me being a walker,I'm going to catch you about the
six or seven mile marker andI'm going to go by, and then
(03:09):
I'll catch you and I'll cheeryou when you cross the finish
line, and I might be on mysecond or third beer by then.
I love it, that's great, andI'll give you a banana.
We all work hard for thatfamous banana.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
No, kidding right.
So you were in track, though,when you were younger.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I was yes.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
What was your best?
Distances that you liked to runthere.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Great question.
I did more field events, wouldrun a 400, a 1600.
I was more the kid that got thepoints.
I wasn't going to always be thefast one.
I did more with the shot putdisc to do those type of field
events than I did the running.
(03:53):
But I just I did it morebecause I played volleyball and
basketball and softball so thatway you had more of the
endurance because of the runningthat you would do.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Wow, you were athletic in school.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well, and my mother made me take ballet to offset
being a tomboy.
So I sat in my dad's lap when Iwas six years old at a
Cincinnati Reds game and I kindof patted him on the legs.
I remember and said Daddy, whenI grow up I want to be like
Johnny Bench Not that I want toage myself here and that fall I
(04:29):
started in ballet.
Your mom said nope, nope, and Iwas actually on a competitive
dance team in high school.
That's how I lost myeligibility to play sports,
because I blew a knee out at adance competition which gave me
surgery.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Number two In high school you were in the second
category.
What was the first one?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
The first one I had both of them done at the same
time.
It was what was called atetranatural lateral release.
You could take my kneecaps andmove them all around and then
it's pretty much a birth defectInteresting.
My brother had the samesurgeries on both of his knees,
so I don't know if it was kindof a genetic kind of thing.
(05:13):
And then it wasn't.
Six months later I tore themeniscus in my left knee and
then it just kind of went fromthere and then knee surgery
number six was three years ago.
Oh, wow so yeah, I have lessthan 10% meniscus.
The goal is to now make it wellinto my 60s before a knee
(05:35):
replacement.
And in fact three years ago Ihad a goal to walk 5,000 miles
that year.
And I show up at OrthoIndy I'mhere in Indianapolis and why
have a boring X on your leg?
I had written 3,011.78, becausethey always mark your body part
(05:56):
that you're having surgery, andmy orthopedic pulls back and he
goes what in the world is this?
And my mom's like don't get herstarted.
And he goes what is that?
And I said my mileage.
He goes how long?
I said from January 1 to August5th of this year and I have a
goal to walk 5,000.
So we've got a mission.
You've got to get in and get itcleaned up.
And so I took three days offand then was back on what I call
(06:21):
a dreadmill and walking on.
Just at least get my mileagegoing.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Wow, what was the pain like from that three days
later.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Honestly, with what I had before.
It was much better.
But where I got into a weirdspace, I ended up with a blood
clot and I honestly think I hadthe blood clot with the because
I had it looked like a grenadehad gone off in my knee, just
with arthritis and wear and tear, and I'm a no guts, no glory.
(06:53):
That's the farm girl that'sgoing to rub some dirt on it and
you just go and and probably atfault.
So I've I've learned somevaluable lessons about listening
to your body.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And having some good doctors about listening to your
body, yeah, and having some gooddoctors, I don't know.
I think I scared them just withthe goals that I set.
So I did go on that particularyear and go on and walk 5,000
miles.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Wow, and so how many miles are you getting nowadays?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
21, 22, 23, and 24.
Between those four years, Iwalked 19,073 miles, wow.
And then last, or December of24, was um waiting to have my
second heart cath, and that wasin December just what four
(07:42):
months ago.
And I'm thinking, okay, whatgoals do I need to set for 2025
that are going to take me out ofmy comfort zone, minutes away
of having my second heart cathof the year?
And I decided I was going towalk 6,000 miles this year, so
that is 16.43 miles a day to getme to the promised land for the
(08:06):
end of the year.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Wow, so you got it down to the day, so you can't
really miss any days.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
No, no, you could.
I mean there may be, but I havea thing where you don't miss
days, yeah, and I have, in thelast couple of, really embraced
the suck in life.
So the days that really are bad, that walking means more than
anything.
(08:32):
And it may be, and I don't goout and do it all at once.
It's three or four walksSometimes I do, depending on
what kind of time frame I've got, but I usually I'll get up in
the morning and walk somewherebetween eight to 10 miles every
morning to start my day.
Wow, and then every step counts.
So, uh, like I said, I'm alittle unique compared to some,
(08:55):
but I've learned a lot aboutmyself.
So I'll go through a pair ofshoes one pair a month for this
year, because I get a new pairevery 500 miles.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Wow, so walking every single day.
And you said there's some days.
I mean that you don't miss anydays.
Yeah, I don't miss any days,because then you would have to
add on right Correct, so you'dhave to divide that back up
through the rest of the week.
And then you said every stepcounts.
So do you keep a tracker on allday?
(09:31):
Oh, I, absolutely do.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I have it right down and I found a website because I
liked not only I keep track ofmy steps, I also the mileage
component of it.
I also the mileage component ofit.
So, with what I did in thatfour years, that got me just
over 19,000 miles.
That was just over 38 millionsteps that I took in four years
(09:54):
time 38 million steps.
Yep, and then that was 27 pairsof Brooks running shoes.
They don't pay me to say that,but if they want, to they can.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
There you go.
It's all about calling andasking for that sponsor.
Oh absolutely so.
So you do wear a running shoe,not a walking shoe, though is it
because of the speed?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yep, and I always.
You know, people always come tocause.
Now, you know, I was just atthe grocery store this morning
and somebody said you're thegirl that walks everywhere.
So the notoriety I'm I'm kindof shocked by.
Um, I have those that have evencome to Indianapolis to do
races because of me and I'venever met them.
(10:36):
They follow me on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
But with the shoes, every year I get refitted
professionally because ourbodies change and so does
technology, and what might workfor me may not work for you,
because we're God, made us alldifferent and I.
Some people will look at me andI you know, but I've also
learned that, brooks, for me,you know, and their technology
(11:04):
changes and I may not always bea ghost girl, it may be whatever
, um, but I it's just what hasworked for me of you know, and
not everybody cause it cracks meup on social media.
I'm looking for new shoes.
What's your suggestion?
Go get fitted.
Yeah, go get fitted and get gosomewhere that truly knows what
(11:25):
they're doing.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Right, I agree.
Do you um find that your feethave gotten bigger?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Um, to some extent yes, just because, unfortunately
, that's what life has done tous.
But my first cause I've alsohad nine foot surgeries and my
first bunion came off when I wasa freshman in college.
Wow, so I've joked.
By the time I get to be reallyold, I should have really young
(11:56):
feet, while all of my friendsare dealing with bunions,
because all of mine were takenoff when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Wow, okay, and it was that from the ballet taken off
when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Wow, okay, and it was that from the ballet.
Not quite sure it could havebeen on some of it.
I think part of it geneticsthat you know.
My grandma, you know, hadreally bad bunions, corns,
hammer toes.
She actually had a handful ofher toes completely removed.
Oh, my goodness, so mine hasbeen.
(12:28):
You know, I've got two morebunions to go.
I'd like to buy some time.
I don't have time to mess withit at this point.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Have you tried spacers?
I'm sure you have right.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I have, yes, yeah, and I've got some wires and
things that help hold especiallymy left foot together, some
wires and things that help holdespecially my left foot together
.
Wow, crazy, I tease.
If I'd keep my foot out of mymouth, I might not have near the
problems I do.
But that's why the importanceof having good shoes matters and
I, I, I love a good stiletto,so that may more.
(13:01):
I've noticed my toe boxes havegotten bigger on my stilettos.
Just to you know, can't you gofrom Brooks to stilettos?
It's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
That could be part of the bunion problem too.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It could possibly be.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yes, so you're in Indy.
Do you walk outside all yearround?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
walk outside all year round.
I have a girlfriend that let meborrow her treadmill back three
years ago and it stays at myhouse because she never uses it
at her house.
So she comes to my house hangsout with my dog.
She works full time from homeso I will get on the treadmill
if needed, but I will tap outwhen it gets about 20 below zero
.
But I will walk all weather.
Yeah, I'm the same way 20 belowis you just can't.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
no matter, I don't care.
They say oh, if you have theright clothes, trust me.
I have a lot of clothes and Ican't keep my feet and hands
warm, no matter what, even withthose electronic hand warmers.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You get, and I got in a weird space.
A few years ago I was going togo walk 10 miles.
I went out, tapped out at sixand it was probably closer to 30
below that particular day with.
The winds were crazy and therewas actually a local police
officer that stopped to makesure I was okay.
Nope, I'm good, I'm just outwalking.
(14:22):
And he's like why?
Because I can't.
And then I did a really dumbthing, tapped out at six, and
then I thought I'm going to goto hot yoga and I'm not that one
that'll sit down.
I had to sit down for most ofthat class.
I had body parts turning colorsfrom being outside and I
thought I have to be.
I'm smarter than this.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And I thought I have to be, I'm smarter than this.
Yeah, wow, yeah, we had a day acouple years ago the wind chill
was probably 30 below,something stupid, and I went out
to try it because, you know,same thing, I'll run in anything
, I don't care.
I got a mile and everything wasstill so cold that I turned
around and I'm like, okay,that's it.
You know, I'm just going topull the plug on this one,
because I could not keep myfingers warm and I had, you know
(15:07):
, the gloves a good, you knowwindproof gloves and things over
my shoes and I'm like, yeah,couldn't keep it warm.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's not worth it.
Well, and that was like today.
We've had so much rain here inIndiana over the past few days
so I did six miles, went to mass, then went and did an Inferno
Pilates class and then we hadour, we had a tent, we've had a
mile, a miler series, gettingready for the mini marathon and
(15:35):
they our 10 mile yesterday wentvirtual because of these bad
storms that we have, and my feetgot wet.
And that's when I start.
I can take it all, but when myfeet get wet, that's when I
start getting whiny.
Oh really, oh yeah, I don'tknow why, it's just one of those
weird things of mine.
So the last picture I took atthe park I had actually, by that
(15:57):
point, taken my shoes off and Iwas standing in the when my
girlfriend took this picture andI'm barefooted.
I would have rather beenbarefooted than wear the cold
shoes.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, yeah, None of that bothers me, as long as I'm
warm enough.
You know, usually, even if it'sraining, if you're running or
you know working hard, you stillstay warm, right?
Oh yes, Keep your core and yourfingers warm, Because once my
core gets warm, usually my handswill get warm and so I'm fine
even in the rain.
You know, it doesn't bother me.
But yeah, I hate to be cold,that's just I mean.
(16:29):
So I wear a lot of layers for abetter part of the year and all
my friends are running inshorts and tank tops and.
I'm in a jacket still.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well, and I also think I've gotten into a lot of
the trail races and that changesthings as well.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Of what to wear and I did a race.
It's Nalbone and it's a bigthing here in Indiana.
It's done down in SouthernIndiana and they have claimed to
fame about how rough it is andit was equivalent to like 256
flights of stairs, type raceNice.
And somehow I got third in myage bracket as a walker, which I
(17:07):
thought when I thought, oh God,I did something wrong.
They're like don't wait, we gotsomething for you.
And I thought, oh, I've donesomething wrong and never in my
wildest dreams thought I wouldhave placed in that race.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Wow, and it makes sense if you think about it,
because you're walking the wholeway, so you're not getting as
exhausted as those who arecharging up the hills.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Oh well, I played in the woods enough as a kid.
I would crawl up because someof these got so slippery,
because it was so muddy, we'dhad a bunch of rain.
And I looked at my girlfriendand she goes, but you're doing
it wrong.
I said no, nobody said we haveto do it right there.
Everybody's used that Come overhere.
And before she realized I hadcrawled up on my hands and knees
(17:55):
.
Yeah, and she goes bye.
I said love, you See it at thefinish line.
And off, I was gone.
Good for you.
But I had actually duct tapedmy shoes because you get into a
lot of that mud, the suctionwill pull your shoes off.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Oh wow, I didn't think about that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So, yeah, I just wore an old pair of Brooks that day
and duct taped and off I wasgone, cause a lot of people you
would see that their shoescoming off, and there was even a
handful of people that had donethe race barefooted, which is
okay.
That's a little on the crazyside.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I couldn't either.
I mean because you don't knowwhat you're stepping on in those
mud logs, and some of it eventook you down river beds.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, they could have been glass or anything it could
have been anything so, but youlearn a lot yeah so your
favorite, oh, go ahead I wasjust gonna say so.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Your favorite distance, though, is a half no
good question.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I I mean, I've done a handful of full marathons 2021,
.
I did my first ultra, so Iwalked 100 miles in 26 hours and
53 minutes.
I actually want to do that oneagain, just so I can do it
better.
Which one did you do?
It was the Indy Piston.
It was done right here indowntown Indy.
(19:19):
I don't know if I ever want togo to the White River State Park
again after that, but I don'tknow you ever want to go to the
white river state park againafter that.
Um, but I don't know.
You learn a lot about yourself,especially in a race like that.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, that's cool, though, that you did a hundred
miler yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, I was the only woman that finished and the only
Walker.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Really.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, yeah.
So, and I and you have to becareful with some of those races
because some won't allowwalking.
I've never heard of such athing.
I hadn't either, but after someguy called me out on social
media and about 400 posts laterof my friends coming, I didn't
have to say a word because hedidn't feel that I had bragging
(20:01):
rights, that I completed anultra marathon.
I did, I completed it, yeah.
Yeah, and I still had fourhours to go, so it wasn't like I
had 45 seconds to cross thefinish line.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
But even then, you still completed it.
I still absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
So I think for me then that's when I have owned
walk, run, crawl just show up,Because to walk it, to crawl it
or run it, it's the same 100miles, same 3.1, whatever
distance.
It's the showing up and for meI was an elite athlete at one
(20:39):
point in life and now body partsand I'm a repeat offender at
OrthoIndy and it's the middle,to the back of the pack that
tells the story and that issomething that the journey and
the story that I own and I shareand I try to rise others up, to
(21:00):
get up and move, Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, so is that a road or a trail race at 100
miler?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
It was all on a trail , but it's not.
I mean, you did get into somegravel, but most of it was
concrete.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So it was a good one to get put your toe in to try it
yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
But it was still a lot.
Yeah, a hundred miles is ahundred miles.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It absolutely is.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, my hundred miler was a road race, right, so
it was all pavement the wholeway and I had a coach who used
to be local here tell me, youknow she was real big on, well,
what was the elevation?
I'm like I don't know.
I didn't measure the road, Ijust went right and she said,
well, it wasn't on a trail, soit doesn't really count.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Excuse me A hundred miles is a hundred miles it
absolutely is.
So, yeah, good for you forsticking up for that.
Well, and I have you knowbecause it's just, it's amazing
how people pass judgment.
90% is getting your butt up outof bed and showing up.
(22:07):
The rest is gravy at that point.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
That's why I really appreciate Sherry always posting
stop apologizing that.
You walk, you run, you walk.
We're getting it done.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Absolutely Well, especially, I think, for me.
I've started owning.
You know I'm diabetic now, sothat changed everything.
And you know, am I eating?
Am I, did I fuel up right?
Did I feel too much?
And it's really made me morepresent in what I do.
(22:40):
And it's about encouragingpeople because with obesity and
all the illnesses that are outthere the last couple of years,
you pick a body part and I havea specialist that backs it up
and it sucks.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds.
You said you're a repeatoffender at the ortho.
I was like wow, Well, um 2018,.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I had two cervical spine surgeries.
Five months apart and almost ayear to the day of getting
released from ortho, india, onJuly 1st of 2019, I did my first
sprint triathlon and on thatJuly 1 of 2019, I, when I got
(23:27):
released, I went out and triednot to cry.
I sat out for two hours andcried in my car because I could
barely walk 2000 steps a day andI thought I'm not this girl,
I'm not the big whiner and I'mgoing to have to find a way to
get up and own this, not onlyfor me.
(23:50):
I have two cadaver bones thathelp hold this all together.
So I not only walk for me, Iwalk.
I don't know who they are, butthey're my angels that watch
over me and I walk on theirbehalf every single day.
And I you know I'm big on thedonate for life.
I have a um.
(24:10):
I have recycled body partt-shirt that I will wear.
Sometimes my mom hates Um, butI'm grateful for those two
individuals.
So it when I talk about thegive back and to encourage
people, that really defined me.
(24:31):
And so that's where thiscraziness over the last five
years with the mileage and doingthings that take me out of my
comfort zone, has come from.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
So were the C cervical spine surgery and the
hearth catheter.
Were those things from injuriesaccidents?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I like to tell over the neck is that I have so much
brain power.
My neck couldn't support allthis power.
That's right here.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Okay, I love it.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, I honestly think a lot of it came from poor
ergonomics when you work in anoffice for years of it came from
poor ergonomics when you workin an office for years you know
we weren't allowed to haveheadsets, you had to use a phone
and a lot of this for years andI can't say that's it.
But it was C3 and C6.
So I have seven screws, twoplates and two cadaver bones
(25:28):
that hold all of this together.
And when people you know ifthey the scars have faded, if
you get up close enough, I liketo tell I got cut in a bar fight
.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, it sounds.
It sounds more exotic,Absolutely, and you should see,
the other guy Exactly Destroyedhim mentally.
It didn't take as long.
And then with my heart issues,a lot of that's genetic.
My maternal grandmother diedwhen I was, or she was, I was
six, she was 55.
(25:59):
So my age, I'm now 56.
I spent the night with her andshe passed away in her sleep and
I found her the next morning.
So it's been really hard overthis last year because if she
had the technology that we havetoday, where would she be Right,
you know?
And last year I failed a stresstest and I was within 43
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seconds of maxing it out and Ijust, it's been a rough haul.
I even travel now with a bloodpressure cuff and they found a
congenital heart defect.
I have crazy low blood pressure, have passed out a handful of
times.
So I'm just really carefulabout when I'm out and even with
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the trails or the you know the,the paths that I take to go
walk, I'm just and I have atracker, I use Strava and then
once I started, my friends willcheck in, especially if they've
not heard from me or watch thatI made it back home.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, well, that's smart that you let people know
where you're at and what you'redoing.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
So I know the second heart cath.
I actually went out and walked10 miles that morning before I
drove down to Cincinnati to havea heart cath.
I just again, I'm not going tolet it define me and I have the
green light to do all of thisbecause I've done it forever.
It's not like, oh, I'm going tohave two heart caths and now go
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walk a full marathon.
I've been doing this longenough that you know.
One of my cardiologists said hedidn't, he doesn't want the
weekend warriors, the personthat only has time to go walk or
run on a Saturday and then endsup having a heart attack or a
stroke because they're nottraining every single day.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I love that you've conquered all that and you just
don't let it hold you down,because more people need to hear
that I feel like some people oh, I got a hangnail, I can't run,
I, I, I can't run, I gethangnails.
Okay, well, let's listen tolisa's story.
Yeah, no, so don't run, go walkfast yes, go I.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And it doesn't even have to be fast.
No, no, you know you don't haveto do a race, you don't it.
You know you have.
And again, if there's I youknow I'm big on disclaimers If
you feel that you know you'venot ever worked out, or it's
been years, at least talk toyour doctor.
First go have a physical, makesure you're somewhat in a place
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you know, and maybe that's whereyou get a personal trainer or
you start working with adietician, or or it could be a
whole combination of things tohelp get you where you need.
And with the walking adventures, this year is my fourth year as
a mini marathon ambassador.
The first time the 500 Festivalhas had a walker.
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So they've had a couple inbetween, because I did three
years in a row and then a coupleyears off, and then this year
got chosen for a mini ambassador, so it makes it awesome to be
able to get out and talk aboutwalking.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
That's great.
Yeah, you know it's cause, likeyou know, you were saying you
don't have to do a fast, getyour doctor's approval, just
move, just move.
Yeah, you know, get up and youknow, during a commercial walk
around your house you ain't gotto go out and kind of big things
.
You just need to move, move.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Well, and we found that out right at the beginning
of COVID.
And you know, people wonder whyI'm the way I am.
Well, when you're raised by oneof the original pioneer women
in life, my mother broke both ofher ankles putting her
Christmas tree up, had all kindsof offers to help, and she just
decided.
And she ended up climbing up aflight of stairs by herself, got
cleaned up, put on compressionsocks, put on clean pajamas and
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waited three hours to call me.
And then people wonder why I'mthe way I am.
But I I at that time, you know,everybody was working from home
, and so I was able to go hometo help her, which I, you know.
I'm so happy that, and wesurvived.
We didn't kill each other, andbut it was about keeping her in
a place.
You know, all of my weightswere here in Indianapolis.
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She's at 90 miles away at ourfamily farm.
She was literally using cans ofgreen beans to stay, you know.
So she didn't lose muscle infear if she had to have surgery.
So if there's a way, do it.
It doesn't have.
You don't need all the fancystuff.
And we learned that the hardway, because she still jokes
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about it.
You know who who?
Because I started cooking andyou know how do you cook to
build back bone, and so we justate healthier and she actually
lost 18 pounds.
So she likes to tease you knowwho breaks both ankles and then
loses 18 pounds.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Well, it's just because she was eating healthier
.
Yeah, yeah, that don't happen,it never happened.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
So, but it's just and , and you know, I've got a yoga
instructor I had met many, manyyears ago and our paths have
crossed again and, of course,now we've teased our evil.
Twins are much older now, butshe teaches different and talks
about what we need to be doingnow, for 20 years from now,
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about having strong ankles andstrong feet and strong wrist,
because those are all the places, as an older person, that you
fall.
Many break a wrist or theybreak an ankle, and I thought,
okay, ingenious, but I don'tknow.
In my heart, I'm still 23.
My kids are older than I am now.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Right.
And if you walk or exercisewith younger people, so all my
running mates are 40 or younger,right, there's a group of about
five of us now.
So, yeah, I feel like I'm in my40s and I'm not in my 40s or
50s anymore.
So you know.
(32:12):
But you know it's who you hangout with, with the things you do
and how you look at life.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Oh, it absolutely is.
And again, it's about owningthe body you wake up to every
single day, because it's goingto be different.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, indeed.
So what was it like?
Do you?
You're fueling for this walkingwhen you do the halves and
stuff?
Is that different than what arunner would do?
Do you feel like you burn thesame amount of calories?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Oh, great question.
I feel it does, but it changes.
Now about being diabetic.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Oh yes.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
And I wear a Dexcom.
I did the Purdue half last falland last year that would have
been at that point, the besthalf that I was on track to do.
I was right at an 11-minutemile walking Nice that was still
horsing around doing littlevideos at the beginning of each.
My favorite was mile threebecause it was three weeks and
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getting to love on my newgranddaughter.
She was three weeks old thatday, so she mile three was for
my granddaughter, indy, and soeach mile was either a mantra or
given back to somebody thatmight be going through something
.
And I hit, and so hit mileeight and I mean just oh, I was
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so excited I have the groovesthere and I started feeling off
and Dexcom had a national outageand I couldn't track.
And I carry all kinds ofelectrolytes on me.
I've really gotten into driedapricots just because they've
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got more potassium than a banana.
You can carry them on you.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
They don't squish up.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, they don't squish up, sometimes it's a
texture thing, but honestlythey're not that bad.
I think they're better For me.
I'm not big into the gel packs,but if I have to do one, I'll
do a gel.
I do the electrolyte jellybeans.
That's a go-to for me, I try.
What I try to do is especiallyon the longer races, and this is
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just again what works for me.
I kind of switch it out justbecause of the diabetic
component.
Thursday night is carb night,friday is my protein day, okay,
and then that.
And then I try to have a peanutbutter sandwich right at
midnight leading up to the raceday and then I've got kind of
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the snacky things to get readybecause I just I try to be a
little higher with the bloodsugar.
So again, that's what works forme.
But I, but I, I could tell itat that Purdue half that, when
it hit hard because you couldtell with the videos I started
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slurring my speech and I soundedlike I was drunk and it wasn't,
it was my daggone blood sugar,crashing, crashing, yeah, and I
had done everything.
It was just.
And that's where it getsfrustrating, because every day
with that is there and I meanall of our bodies are different
because what might work for you,and so that's been a lot.
We've got an indie miniFacebook page, much like you
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know we do with our, you knowour group and you know those,
and I tell people if you need toplay around with it now, you
don't wait, especially if you'renew to this.
You don't dare wait.
Don't go out and buy new sportsbras, don't go out and you stay
the course, and the same waywith your food, especially as
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you get closer to race day.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, and you need to keep a good record of OK
, this did not work or thisworked really well.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
So yeah, yes, or this tasted good, or you know, this
gave me heartburn, or I, youknow, and I I'm.
I cannot stand the yellowGatorade and that's all they.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, I agree, I don't.
I'm not a big fan of Gatorade,anyways, but I know that's what
you get, you know.
So, I take, I take what I likewith me, but then when it runs
out, then I use.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, then you're stuck, you got to get but yeah,
I hate the yellow.
Yeah Well, anytime I do acolonoscopy.
That's why I use the yellowthat way.
I don't want to do a flavor.
I like when you're gettingready to have a colonoscopy.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, you condition your brain to hate it regardless
, and that's what it makes youthink of.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I know that's awful, but it just I don't know.
There's so many things that areout there and that's something
special, and I'm also anambassador for Wheeler Mission
Drumstick Dash, which is done atThanksgiving here in Indiana,
is that?
A fun thing that they have it.
(37:13):
It's the biggest fun Wheelermission Um.
It's just a locally owned orlocally sourced um men's and
women's shelter.
That's here, and the the dashis their biggest fundraiser that
they have for the year Nice.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
And that's on Thanksgiving.
You said.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
It's done on Thanksgiving.
So, and then I finish up withthe race and then I head back
downtown and I've got a group offriends of mine.
This'll be our this year.
I quit cooking at Thanksgivingand we started serving lunch at
the men's shelter after we getdone with the dash, so it's been
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a fun way to give back.
Yeah for sure.
And then there's another get totalk about walking and the
importance of one giving back toour community, but also I get
to use my steps to make ourcommunity a little better.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Very cool.
Yeah, I like that you're soinvolved.
That's really nice.
Now have you started anywalking groups in your area,
that's, you know, to get peopleout.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I well, I work for One America, an insurance
company downtown, and they werethe key sponsor for the mini
marathon up until this year andit's Indiana University Health,
iu Health.
We're still sponsoring some,but not that flagship.
So through work it's beenawesome.
(38:34):
We have some walking groups anda lot of that has been speared
by my craziness and it's neatthat I have coworkers that I
it's what I call a walkaboutmeeting and we might get around
to some work related.
But our building is kind of anoctagon and you can walk on the
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first floor in a big circle andwe might walk two or three steps
or two or three laps to talk alittle bit of work and then we
go back to our desk.
But it's a good.
I try to set those type even ifit's just me between every
meeting that I have every day.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
And then the days I work from home I will.
Monday's is plank day, so I'lldo planks between and I started
this when we were all hunkereddown with COVID and then it got
crap.
That's five days a week I'mdoing all this extra stuff and
then I thought I can't handstandday I can't do in the office.
(39:36):
It won't be very HR.
That's great so, but it's beena great way of getting folks up
and moving and and my companyhas been awesome about
supporting it.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
And it has morphed a little.
But just, I need to do betterwith some of like the walking
groups and the running groups.
I've gone a handful of times.
I, a couple of years ago, wasan ambassador for the store
fleet feet and there weren't alot of walkers, but again it was
about promoting the store andyou know, and it did help get
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some folks up and going that arewalkers, but it's again, it's
that weird space and it's thatway, even with some of like the
Facebook groups, because mostare runners and I've been bitten
back more than once because Iwalk and don't you get it?
(40:35):
It's called like running,whatever the rest of the name of
the group is Yep, I can read,yeah, used to be one, but I
guarantee you I will bury you inmileage and it shouldn't be
that way.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
That's okay, though, you know, because I know
probably the last, probablysince 21, so probably the last
four years I've been doing a runwalk.
So my coach that I had for myIronman and my 100 miler.
When I got to the 100 miler, hesaid, okay, you're going to run
seven minutes and walk threeminutes.
I'm like I'm going to walk.
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And he's like you can't run a100 miler the whole way, you're
going to have to walk becauseyou need to take in enough fuel,
right?
And I went all right, well, Iloved it, and so I at that point
was, I think, starting to hearabout Jeff Galloway.
And I thought well, maybe I'lltry this on my marathons.
And so since then I've done therun walk for my marathons and I
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still can, if I'm not injured,keep the times that I was doing
when I was only running, and Irecover so much better
afterwards.
I can still walk the next daywhere a lot of people can't get
up and down steps, you know.
So yeah, I'm a firm believer inthe walk.
And those people that say, ohwell, you walked part of your
marathon, uh yeah, but I stillcovered the distance and I
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probably outran you.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh, absolutely.
You know, I just and I'vewanted.
I don't want to kill myselfanymore, I want to have fun and
I, two years ago, I earned myangel wings.
I was a chariot racer withAnsley's angels.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, I am too, I love it.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, and I am forever changed because of my
angel Peyton, and about beingpresent.
And you know, we don't need toplay around on our phones, we
don't need to listen to music,we don't.
We have the best orchestra inthe world outside, with all the
birds and bugs and whatever youknow with nature, and so I have
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really gotten away fromlistening to music.
When I walk and I, just I goand you know I, I still, you
know, do a lot with Ansley'sAngels and it just, you know, I,
I was forever changed in a goodway.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, that's great.
I um, I, I run with them aswell.
I do the five.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, that's great, I run with them as well.
I do the five, not more than a10K.
But yeah, it's great't care ifit's one or it's 10, you're
still giving back, you're stillhelping.
And then our little aches andpains didn't really mean
anything when you look at whatsome of these kiddos and parents
are going through especiallyand then I sat back and look at
the parents I I was actuallyfelt guilty because God blessed
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me with two normal, healthy kidsand what they go through to
give their kid normalcy.
Yeah, and so the importance ofwalking or running, because they
can't you give them wings for aday.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
It truly is.
It truly is.
What other wonderful thingswould you like the audience to
know about you that you do?
You do everything.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I can't make jello and I can't sew.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Okay, I can sew, but I can't make jello yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, who needs jello anyway?
Who needs jello?
No, and I can take the sewingmachine apart.
I just can't put it backtogether.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
So no, well, I can't sew with a sewing machine, so I
can only do my hands.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
No, I just I don't know it's been crazy, but it's
been a good crazy and I just Ican't imagine what my health
metrics would be, you know,coming off of having the two
cervical spine surgeries, had myfirst physical done a couple
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months after the second one andmy triglycerides were 500.
And it just really has beeneye-opening for me.
And about really owning,because I really hoped to not
have to do a statin and some ofthe drugs that and unfortunately
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that wasn't the case.
And you know I keep I'm old,now I have a pill box and it
kills me.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah, get the rattler , do you yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:29):
And it is what it is.
I look that it's a well-fueledmachine that's got some
expensive drugs that's set in apillbox.
So it's kind of like having agreat craftsman tool chest with
some really expensive tools thatkeep you going.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
But, you know, if you go down to the Daytona 500 and
you look at those race cars,they've got the STP oil, this
and the oh yes.
So that's what you have in your.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Oh yeah, and that's the weird mindset that I had to
finally go down a path.
You know that was I worked withan endocrineinologist and with
some thyroid stuff and then whenshe had done some blood work
and it came back, I knew, whenshe walked in and said, you can
take your shoes and socks offwhat was coming.
And I'm like, I'm not taking myshoes and socks off because she
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takes the picture of my feetevery time I come to see her
lover.
But I just, and I well, weargued and I knew I didn't even
want her to say it, it was thebig D word, diabetes, and I, you
know, got to love our family.
But when you look to what's inwith genetics and so it just I
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think it has helped with mind,body and soul of just getting up
and moving.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, and I don't know Peopleyou had asked earlier about the
groups.
Honestly, there's times I likejust being by myself too.
I mean it's fun doing groupsand it's fun probably more so
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with the tailgating kind ofthing.
It's fun doing groups and it'sfun, probably more so with the
tailgating kind of thing.
A girlfriend's husband set up atable for the four of us that
were either walking or runningto do our virtual 10-mile race
today.
He had cowbells God love them.
Somebody had to drive him home.
His wife had to drive him homebecause he had a Bloody Mary bar
going.
That's awesome.
He had to drive his drunk butthome.
(47:28):
But you know, I told her heshould at least get 50 extra
brownie points for setting upsnacks and being there out in
the rain.
Absolutely, I thought it wasfunny and I gave him 50 extra
because I don't drink anymoreand he had a virgin Bloody Mary
for me and had it marked soeverybody would stay out of it.
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So I don't know, you've got tohave fun, and yes it's work, but
when you're having fun,honestly you don't know you've
worked or walked or ran andyou've got bragging rights.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
You truly do and think about where your health
would be if you weren't moving.
You know you would still haveall these things, but you'd be
so much worse off because you'renot moving.
And you are probably cuttingall of that in half just by the
activity, just by all those 30million steps you're taking
every year.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yes, well, and that was even.
Triglycerides were 88 this lastgo around compared to 500.
They were so high five yearsago.
Technically they were probablyhigher than the 500, because you
get to a point it can't yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
And I got nothing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
But it's made me more aware of you, know what you put
in your mouth and what you do,and and I know this isn't for
everybody, but it's also whatworks for me- and clearly it is
working.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
It is working.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Yeah and it.
But you know, I don't know itgets frustrating when you know
something else pops up or thisor that, and but it's just you
know to have.
And it's funny to set backbecause when I was um in
Cincinnati, get or you know,they're doing the heart cath and
I'm now part of um, a trialprogram with, uh, it's a female
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cardiologist out of Cincinnatiand she's got a um where she's
studying women's heart healthand Addie and she's got a where
she's studying women's hearthealth.
And so a question she askedcause I was completely awake for
this heart cath and she hadasked my doctor, does she work
out?
And my nurse beside me he saidshe can't answer but I'm going
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to.
She's made us all feel likelosers because she walked 10
miles before her heart cathtoday.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
So there's your answer.
That's awesome.
Her calf today.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
So there's your answer.
That's awesome, but it's for me, it's not about shaming.
And you know, if I can getsomebody up, and I had a
girlfriend last summer and she'slost quite a bit of weight and
her she falls into that.
She's too busy looking herethat I need.
No, you don't.
You don't because you'rekilling yourself here.
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You got to build the endurance.
Quit that, quit it.
And I'm bad for it too.
We all are.
That's human nature and youknow I think she's lost close to
50 pounds now.
That's great.
And I doubled back and on a 5kand walked with her and she was
in tears that it sucks.
This is hot.
Walked with her and she was intears that it sucks this is hot,
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I'm sweaty, I'm dirty, yep.
So what?
Yeah, it beats you know, layingup in bed half the day.
Look what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
And there are showers .
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Imagine that.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Oh yeah, and you know , and I've tried to, I've even
gone down a path about you know,go buy some cute, you know,
workout clothes.
She loves to shop, so I'vetried to find things that she
will relate to.
But quit beating up on yourself.
Yeah, love yourself first, andI think, especially as women and
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moms, that's hard because weput everybody else before us.
And now you know, I got taggedwith a nickname of Mama Gangster
, mama G in the house and I waslistening to an Eminem song,
baking Pies.
One day and my daughter and herfriends walked in the house and
I was listening to Eminem songand I moonwalked across the
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floor and kind of threw mygangster sign.
And that's when Mama Gang ormama G nickname.
And now I am gangster granny orGigi in the house after my
granddaughter was born.
So I don't want to be thetraditional grandma.
Yeah, that's great.
So you just you gotta have somefun.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
And even last year with the our, especially with
the mini, I actually stopped anddid some line dancing, Nice
Cause we'll have little bands orlittle dance groups or whatever
, and I thought I, who cares ifit ended up being a 14 minute
mile by the time it was said anddone.
Look what I've accomplished.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah, and that was fun it was more fun to do that.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Well, and it was two weeks after having my first
heart cath, so it meant moreabout being grateful and walking
in grace and stopping andshaking it like no other at some
of the little groups than itdid having a 10 minute mile.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yeah, yeah, I at one of my races, um, I think that in
Washington state we ran by thispark.
It was some like out and backsand there was this thing the
kids at the park, they would siton and ride it down.
Um, I can't think of what theycall those, like a.
It's like a.
My mind is blanking.
(52:51):
Anyways, I asked him.
I said I'm in the middle ofthis race, but can I cut in
front of you and ride that thing?
And he was like yeah, I saidwill you video me?
So I got my phone out and itwas during the race.
I'm like I don't care.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
I was like I don't care.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
I just that thing really bad.
So, yeah, you gotta, you gottado the fun stuff.
You've got to do the fun stuffand I, you know, and I've
because, trust me, I have beenthat one that you'd haul it and
you do it until there's nothingleft.
And sure, I do a lot of mileageand it's a commitment every
single day and I don't know I,as of yesterday, I'm 1,772 miles
into this year.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Wow, that's fantastic and that's even having COVID.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
At the beginning of February I was really sick and I
was still out walking.
There might have been a coupleof times there might have been a
local police officer.
I was sitting down and I'm like, I am not drunk or on drugs, I
have COVID and I'm running 104fever.
I'm fine, I just need a moment.
And he goes what are you doing?
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I said I'm not power walking,not so efficiently.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
And he said stay home on that day with the fever.
But that's just me.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
And well, but that's part of again listen to your
doctor.
But there's parts of it too,about getting up and moving when
you have COVID to offset Cause.
Now I have the potential ofgetting other blood clots
because I had the one.
(54:29):
Oh, yeah, for sure, yeah, so,and that may have been because
I've had COVID now three timesand it that could have been part
of the COVID issue from thefirst go around.
We don't know, but nonethelessit would just, and it was
snippets of maybe two miles, but, but again of maybe two miles,
(54:53):
but again I should do better.
But it's also even though I laythere a hundred and four, a
hundred and five feet, I justthink, oh, my God, this is
killing me.
I'm going to have to lay in bedand it's not in my wheelhouse.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Well, that's good to hear.
I mean, it's fantastic all thethings that you're doing and
what you're doing in yourcommunity and for yourself and
now for others to hear.
So we donated a couple of localhospitals and my second.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
they're actually sisters, different litters, same
mom and dad.
So they're my redneck series ofdogs.
They're Lulabelle and Ellie Mae.
So Ellie's got one more examand the hope is that we will be
working at a local library wherekids will read to her.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
Oh, that's so great.
You're just in it everywhere.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah, so really honestly, there's no excuses.
People, they can reach out inso many different ways to help
others give back and plus dothings at the same time for
themselves.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Well, that was like with Wheeler Mission.
I got an email letting me knowI'd been chosen as volunteer of
the year in 2023.
I emailed them back and said Ithink you sent this to the wrong
person.
And they emailed me back andsaid this is why we love you
You're one in a million thatwould resend their
congratulations email.
I honestly did not think it wasme.
(56:26):
I honestly thought they hadsent it to the wrong person.
That's really great.
It's a wonderful organizationand the thought of being able to
give back and especially to goin on a holiday and serve lunch
to those that wouldn't have ameal otherwise will forever
change you.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
That's so great.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
And I get to use walking to get there.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Oh yeah, there you go .
That's great.
Well, thank you so much forbeing on the show, Lisa.
It's just been incrediblelistening to you.
You have just a wonderfuljourney and I hope that one
person that listens to this will, you know, start their journey.
You know, whatever it may be Ifyou just change one person, if
you change a dozen, great, butif you just change one person
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that's listening to this to getthem up off the couch Just when
you think you can't.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
You know this would have been the beginning of 2023
was hard for me, that I onlywalked 4,000 miles that year.
I was diagnosed with melanomaagain, let's, and I have an
eight inch scar on the inside ofmy right.
So as you're up and out walking, especially for us girls or
folks that love to be outside,wear your sunscreen, yeah, but
(57:44):
just when you think, I don'tknow, when you get thrown one
more curve ball, there arepeople you know that will listen
and will talk to you andencourage you and find those not
the Debbie Downers, becausethat particular year it was time
to really clean up closetsabout being with people who walk
(58:06):
in grace and extend grace toothers.
And I mean, it's been a roughhaul.
It truly has been, but thewalking and giving back is two
of my love languages, so thiswas an honor, thank you.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
My pleasure.
Have a great day.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
All, right, now I'm going to cry my eyes out.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
Thanks, bye bye, it's all about sharing the love.
Speaker 2 (58:28):
Take care.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
You too.
Bye-bye.
It's all about sharing the love.
Take care you too.
Bye-bye, all right.
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She really proves that thereare no excuses.
Everybody can get up and move,so enjoy the program.
Hey, lisa, welcome to the show.
(01:49):
Hey, carla, thanks for theinvite.
Appreciate it Absolutely.
It's great to have you here.
So let's talk running.
When did you start running?
Why did you start running?
Let's start from the beginning,okay.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, I had to transition into power walking,
so I'm a little different inthat regards than most.
But I started a lifetime agowith running, you know, when I
was in junior high, high schooltrack, have always been involved
in sports and then finally hadto get to the point I was
(02:26):
involved in a bad farmingaccident when I was 40 and ended
up having to completelytransition.
That gave me my fifth kneesurgery, and so then I started
power walking, and so that wasright around 2012 and set a goal
that year to walk six halfmarathons.
(02:47):
So I'm a little unique becauseI can hold my own with a lot of
runners.
I can easily walk a 10 minutemile.
Wow, that's incredible.
So totally different gate, youknow, and for those that like to
make fun of me being a walker,I'm going to catch you about the
six or seven mile marker andI'm going to go by, and then
(03:09):
I'll catch you and I'll cheeryou when you cross the finish
line, and I might be on mysecond or third beer by then.
I love it, that's great, andI'll give you a banana.
We all work hard for thatfamous banana.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
No, kidding right.
So you were in track, though,when you were younger.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I was yes.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
What was your best?
Distances that you liked to runthere.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Great question.
I did more field events, wouldrun a 400, a 1600.
I was more the kid that got thepoints.
I wasn't going to always be thefast one.
I did more with the shot putdisc to do those type of field
events than I did the running.
(03:53):
But I just I did it morebecause I played volleyball and
basketball and softball so thatway you had more of the
endurance because of the runningthat you would do.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Wow, you were athletic in school.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well, and my mother made me take ballet to offset
being a tomboy.
So I sat in my dad's lap when Iwas six years old at a
Cincinnati Reds game and I kindof patted him on the legs.
I remember and said Daddy, whenI grow up I want to be like
Johnny Bench Not that I want toage myself here and that fall I
(04:29):
started in ballet.
Your mom said nope, nope, and Iwas actually on a competitive
dance team in high school.
That's how I lost myeligibility to play sports,
because I blew a knee out at adance competition which gave me
surgery.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Number two In high school you were in the second
category.
What was the first one?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
The first one I had both of them done at the same
time.
It was what was called atetranatural lateral release.
You could take my kneecaps andmove them all around and then
it's pretty much a birth defectInteresting.
My brother had the samesurgeries on both of his knees,
so I don't know if it was kindof a genetic kind of thing.
(05:13):
And then it wasn't.
Six months later I tore themeniscus in my left knee and
then it just kind of went fromthere and then knee surgery
number six was three years ago.
Oh, wow so yeah, I have lessthan 10% meniscus.
The goal is to now make it wellinto my 60s before a knee
(05:35):
replacement.
And in fact three years ago Ihad a goal to walk 5,000 miles
that year.
And I show up at OrthoIndy I'mhere in Indianapolis and why
have a boring X on your leg?
I had written 3,011.78, becausethey always mark your body part
(05:56):
that you're having surgery, andmy orthopedic pulls back and he
goes what in the world is this?
And my mom's like don't get herstarted.
And he goes what is that?
And I said my mileage.
He goes how long?
I said from January 1 to August5th of this year and I have a
goal to walk 5,000.
So we've got a mission.
You've got to get in and get itcleaned up.
And so I took three days offand then was back on what I call
(06:21):
a dreadmill and walking on.
Just at least get my mileagegoing.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Wow, what was the pain like from that three days
later.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Honestly, with what I had before.
It was much better.
But where I got into a weirdspace, I ended up with a blood
clot and I honestly think I hadthe blood clot with the because
I had it looked like a grenadehad gone off in my knee, just
with arthritis and wear and tear, and I'm a no guts, no glory.
(06:53):
That's the farm girl that'sgoing to rub some dirt on it and
you just go and and probably atfault.
So I've I've learned somevaluable lessons about listening
to your body.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And having some good doctors about listening to your
body, yeah, and having some gooddoctors, I don't know.
I think I scared them just withthe goals that I set.
So I did go on that particularyear and go on and walk 5,000
miles.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Wow, and so how many miles are you getting nowadays?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
21, 22, 23, and 24.
Between those four years, Iwalked 19,073 miles, wow.
And then last, or December of24, was um waiting to have my
second heart cath, and that wasin December just what four
(07:42):
months ago.
And I'm thinking, okay, whatgoals do I need to set for 2025
that are going to take me out ofmy comfort zone, minutes away
of having my second heart cathof the year?
And I decided I was going towalk 6,000 miles this year, so
that is 16.43 miles a day to getme to the promised land for the
(08:06):
end of the year.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Wow, so you got it down to the day, so you can't
really miss any days.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
No, no, you could.
I mean there may be, but I havea thing where you don't miss
days, yeah, and I have, in thelast couple of, really embraced
the suck in life.
So the days that really are bad, that walking means more than
anything.
(08:32):
And it may be, and I don't goout and do it all at once.
It's three or four walksSometimes I do, depending on
what kind of time frame I've got, but I usually I'll get up in
the morning and walk somewherebetween eight to 10 miles every
morning to start my day.
Wow, and then every step counts.
So, uh, like I said, I'm alittle unique compared to some,
(08:55):
but I've learned a lot aboutmyself.
So I'll go through a pair ofshoes one pair a month for this
year, because I get a new pairevery 500 miles.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Wow, so walking every single day.
And you said there's some days.
I mean that you don't miss anydays.
Yeah, I don't miss any days,because then you would have to
add on right Correct, so you'dhave to divide that back up
through the rest of the week.
And then you said every stepcounts.
So do you keep a tracker on allday?
(09:31):
Oh, I, absolutely do.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I have it right down and I found a website because I
liked not only I keep track ofmy steps, I also the mileage
component of it.
I also the mileage component ofit.
So, with what I did in thatfour years, that got me just
over 19,000 miles.
That was just over 38 millionsteps that I took in four years
(09:54):
time 38 million steps.
Yep, and then that was 27 pairsof Brooks running shoes.
They don't pay me to say that,but if they want, to they can.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
There you go.
It's all about calling andasking for that sponsor.
Oh absolutely so.
So you do wear a running shoe,not a walking shoe, though is it
because of the speed?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yep, and I always.
You know, people always come tocause.
Now, you know, I was just atthe grocery store this morning
and somebody said you're thegirl that walks everywhere.
So the notoriety I'm I'm kindof shocked by.
Um, I have those that have evencome to Indianapolis to do
races because of me and I'venever met them.
(10:36):
They follow me on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
But with the shoes, every year I get refitted
professionally because ourbodies change and so does
technology, and what might workfor me may not work for you,
because we're God, made us alldifferent and I.
Some people will look at me andI you know, but I've also
learned that, brooks, for me,you know, and their technology
(11:04):
changes and I may not always bea ghost girl, it may be whatever
, um, but I it's just what hasworked for me of you know, and
not everybody cause it cracks meup on social media.
I'm looking for new shoes.
What's your suggestion?
Go get fitted.
Yeah, go get fitted and get gosomewhere that truly knows what
(11:25):
they're doing.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Right, I agree.
Do you um find that your feethave gotten bigger?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Um, to some extent yes, just because, unfortunately
, that's what life has done tous.
But my first cause I've alsohad nine foot surgeries and my
first bunion came off when I wasa freshman in college.
Wow, so I've joked.
By the time I get to be reallyold, I should have really young
(11:56):
feet, while all of my friendsare dealing with bunions,
because all of mine were takenoff when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Wow, okay, and it was that from the ballet taken off
when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Wow, okay, and it was that from the ballet.
Not quite sure it could havebeen on some of it.
I think part of it geneticsthat you know.
My grandma, you know, hadreally bad bunions, corns,
hammer toes.
She actually had a handful ofher toes completely removed.
Oh, my goodness, so mine hasbeen.
(12:28):
You know, I've got two morebunions to go.
I'd like to buy some time.
I don't have time to mess withit at this point.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Have you tried spacers?
I'm sure you have right.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I have, yes, yeah, and I've got some wires and
things that help hold especiallymy left foot together, some
wires and things that help holdespecially my left foot together
.
Wow, crazy, I tease.
If I'd keep my foot out of mymouth, I might not have near the
problems I do.
But that's why the importanceof having good shoes matters and
I, I, I love a good stiletto,so that may more.
(13:01):
I've noticed my toe boxes havegotten bigger on my stilettos.
Just to you know, can't you gofrom Brooks to stilettos?
It's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
That could be part of the bunion problem too.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It could possibly be.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yes, so you're in Indy.
Do you walk outside all yearround?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
walk outside all year round.
I have a girlfriend that let meborrow her treadmill back three
years ago and it stays at myhouse because she never uses it
at her house.
So she comes to my house hangsout with my dog.
She works full time from homeso I will get on the treadmill
if needed, but I will tap outwhen it gets about 20 below zero
.
But I will walk all weather.
Yeah, I'm the same way 20 belowis you just can't.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
no matter, I don't care.
They say oh, if you have theright clothes, trust me.
I have a lot of clothes and Ican't keep my feet and hands
warm, no matter what, even withthose electronic hand warmers.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You get, and I got in a weird space.
A few years ago I was going togo walk 10 miles.
I went out, tapped out at sixand it was probably closer to 30
below that particular day with.
The winds were crazy and therewas actually a local police
officer that stopped to makesure I was okay.
Nope, I'm good, I'm just outwalking.
(14:22):
And he's like why?
Because I can't.
And then I did a really dumbthing, tapped out at six, and
then I thought I'm going to goto hot yoga and I'm not that one
that'll sit down.
I had to sit down for most ofthat class.
I had body parts turning colorsfrom being outside and I
thought I have to be.
I'm smarter than this.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
And I thought I have to be, I'm smarter than this.
Yeah, wow, yeah, we had a day acouple years ago the wind chill
was probably 30 below,something stupid, and I went out
to try it because, you know,same thing, I'll run in anything
, I don't care.
I got a mile and everything wasstill so cold that I turned
around and I'm like, okay,that's it.
You know, I'm just going topull the plug on this one,
because I could not keep myfingers warm and I had, you know
(15:07):
, the gloves a good, you knowwindproof gloves and things over
my shoes and I'm like, yeah,couldn't keep it warm.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's not worth it.
Well, and that was like today.
We've had so much rain here inIndiana over the past few days
so I did six miles, went to mass, then went and did an Inferno
Pilates class and then we hadour, we had a tent, we've had a
mile, a miler series, gettingready for the mini marathon and
(15:35):
they our 10 mile yesterday wentvirtual because of these bad
storms that we have, and my feetgot wet.
And that's when I start.
I can take it all, but when myfeet get wet, that's when I
start getting whiny.
Oh really, oh yeah, I don'tknow why, it's just one of those
weird things of mine.
So the last picture I took atthe park I had actually, by that
(15:57):
point, taken my shoes off and Iwas standing in the when my
girlfriend took this picture andI'm barefooted.
I would have rather beenbarefooted than wear the cold
shoes.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, yeah, None of that bothers me, as long as I'm
warm enough.
You know, usually, even if it'sraining, if you're running or
you know working hard, you stillstay warm, right?
Oh yes, Keep your core and yourfingers warm, Because once my
core gets warm, usually my handswill get warm and so I'm fine
even in the rain.
You know, it doesn't bother me.
But yeah, I hate to be cold,that's just I mean.
(16:29):
So I wear a lot of layers for abetter part of the year and all
my friends are running inshorts and tank tops and.
I'm in a jacket still.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well, and I also think I've gotten into a lot of
the trail races and that changesthings as well.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Of what to wear and I did a race.
It's Nalbone and it's a bigthing here in Indiana.
It's done down in SouthernIndiana and they have claimed to
fame about how rough it is andit was equivalent to like 256
flights of stairs, type raceNice.
And somehow I got third in myage bracket as a walker, which I
(17:07):
thought when I thought, oh God,I did something wrong.
They're like don't wait, we gotsomething for you.
And I thought, oh, I've donesomething wrong and never in my
wildest dreams thought I wouldhave placed in that race.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Wow, and it makes sense if you think about it,
because you're walking the wholeway, so you're not getting as
exhausted as those who arecharging up the hills.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Oh well, I played in the woods enough as a kid.
I would crawl up because someof these got so slippery,
because it was so muddy, we'dhad a bunch of rain.
And I looked at my girlfriendand she goes, but you're doing
it wrong.
I said no, nobody said we haveto do it right there.
Everybody's used that Come overhere.
And before she realized I hadcrawled up on my hands and knees
(17:55):
.
Yeah, and she goes bye.
I said love, you See it at thefinish line.
And off, I was gone.
Good for you.
But I had actually duct tapedmy shoes because you get into a
lot of that mud, the suctionwill pull your shoes off.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Oh wow, I didn't think about that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So, yeah, I just wore an old pair of Brooks that day
and duct taped and off I wasgone, cause a lot of people you
would see that their shoescoming off, and there was even a
handful of people that had donethe race barefooted, which is
okay.
That's a little on the crazyside.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I couldn't either.
I mean because you don't knowwhat you're stepping on in those
mud logs, and some of it eventook you down river beds.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, they could have been glass or anything it could
have been anything so, but youlearn a lot yeah so your
favorite, oh, go ahead I wasjust gonna say so.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Your favorite distance, though, is a half no
good question.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I I mean, I've done a handful of full marathons 2021,
.
I did my first ultra, so Iwalked 100 miles in 26 hours and
53 minutes.
I actually want to do that oneagain, just so I can do it
better.
Which one did you do?
It was the Indy Piston.
It was done right here indowntown Indy.
(19:19):
I don't know if I ever want togo to the White River State Park
again after that, but I don'tknow you ever want to go to the
white river state park againafter that.
Um, but I don't know.
You learn a lot about yourself,especially in a race like that.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, that's cool, though, that you did a hundred
miler yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, I was the only woman that finished and the only
Walker.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Really.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, yeah.
So, and I and you have to becareful with some of those races
because some won't allowwalking.
I've never heard of such athing.
I hadn't either, but after someguy called me out on social
media and about 400 posts laterof my friends coming, I didn't
have to say a word because hedidn't feel that I had bragging
(20:01):
rights, that I completed anultra marathon.
I did, I completed it, yeah.
Yeah, and I still had fourhours to go, so it wasn't like I
had 45 seconds to cross thefinish line.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
But even then, you still completed it.
I still absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
So I think for me then that's when I have owned
walk, run, crawl just show up,Because to walk it, to crawl it
or run it, it's the same 100miles, same 3.1, whatever
distance.
It's the showing up and for meI was an elite athlete at one
(20:39):
point in life and now body partsand I'm a repeat offender at
OrthoIndy and it's the middle,to the back of the pack that
tells the story and that issomething that the journey and
the story that I own and I shareand I try to rise others up, to
(21:00):
get up and move, Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, so is that a road or a trail race at 100
miler?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
It was all on a trail , but it's not.
I mean, you did get into somegravel, but most of it was
concrete.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So it was a good one to get put your toe in to try it
yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
But it was still a lot.
Yeah, a hundred miles is ahundred miles.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It absolutely is.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, my hundred miler was a road race, right, so
it was all pavement the wholeway and I had a coach who used
to be local here tell me, youknow she was real big on, well,
what was the elevation?
I'm like I don't know.
I didn't measure the road, Ijust went right and she said,
well, it wasn't on a trail, soit doesn't really count.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Excuse me A hundred miles is a hundred miles it
absolutely is.
So, yeah, good for you forsticking up for that.
Well, and I have you knowbecause it's just, it's amazing
how people pass judgment.
90% is getting your butt up outof bed and showing up.
(22:07):
The rest is gravy at that point.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
That's why I really appreciate Sherry always posting
stop apologizing that.
You walk, you run, you walk.
We're getting it done.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Absolutely Well, especially, I think, for me.
I've started owning.
You know I'm diabetic now, sothat changed everything.
And you know, am I eating?
Am I, did I fuel up right?
Did I feel too much?
And it's really made me morepresent in what I do.
(22:40):
And it's about encouragingpeople because with obesity and
all the illnesses that are outthere the last couple of years,
you pick a body part and I havea specialist that backs it up
and it sucks.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds.
You said you're a repeatoffender at the ortho.
I was like wow, Well, um 2018,.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I had two cervical spine surgeries.
Five months apart and almost ayear to the day of getting
released from ortho, india, onJuly 1st of 2019, I did my first
sprint triathlon and on thatJuly 1 of 2019, I, when I got
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released, I went out and triednot to cry.
I sat out for two hours andcried in my car because I could
barely walk 2000 steps a day andI thought I'm not this girl,
I'm not the big whiner and I'mgoing to have to find a way to
get up and own this, not onlyfor me.
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I have two cadaver bones thathelp hold this all together.
So I not only walk for me, Iwalk.
I don't know who they are, butthey're my angels that watch
over me and I walk on theirbehalf every single day.
And I you know I'm big on thedonate for life.
I have a um.
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I have recycled body partt-shirt that I will wear.
Sometimes my mom hates Um, butI'm grateful for those two
individuals.
So it when I talk about thegive back and to encourage
people, that really defined me.
(24:31):
And so that's where thiscraziness over the last five
years with the mileage and doingthings that take me out of my
comfort zone, has come from.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
So were the C cervical spine surgery and the
hearth catheter.
Were those things from injuriesaccidents?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I like to tell over the neck is that I have so much
brain power.
My neck couldn't support allthis power.
That's right here.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Okay, I love it.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, I honestly think a lot of it came from poor
ergonomics when you work in anoffice for years of it came from
poor ergonomics when you workin an office for years you know
we weren't allowed to haveheadsets, you had to use a phone
and a lot of this for years andI can't say that's it.
But it was C3 and C6.
So I have seven screws, twoplates and two cadaver bones
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that hold all of this together.
And when people you know ifthey the scars have faded, if
you get up close enough, I liketo tell I got cut in a bar fight
.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, it sounds.
It sounds more exotic,Absolutely, and you should see,
the other guy Exactly Destroyedhim mentally.
It didn't take as long.
And then with my heart issues,a lot of that's genetic.
My maternal grandmother diedwhen I was, or she was, I was
six, she was 55.
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So my age, I'm now 56.
I spent the night with her andshe passed away in her sleep and
I found her the next morning.
So it's been really hard overthis last year because if she
had the technology that we havetoday, where would she be Right,
you know?
And last year I failed a stresstest and I was within 43
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seconds of maxing it out and Ijust, it's been a rough haul.
I even travel now with a bloodpressure cuff and they found a
congenital heart defect.
I have crazy low blood pressure, have passed out a handful of
times.
So I'm just really carefulabout when I'm out and even with
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the trails or the you know the,the paths that I take to go
walk, I'm just and I have atracker, I use Strava and then
once I started, my friends willcheck in, especially if they've
not heard from me or watch thatI made it back home.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, well, that's smart that you let people know
where you're at and what you'redoing.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
So I know the second heart cath.
I actually went out and walked10 miles that morning before I
drove down to Cincinnati to havea heart cath.
I just again, I'm not going tolet it define me and I have the
green light to do all of thisbecause I've done it forever.
It's not like, oh, I'm going tohave two heart caths and now go
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walk a full marathon.
I've been doing this longenough that you know.
One of my cardiologists said hedidn't, he doesn't want the
weekend warriors, the personthat only has time to go walk or
run on a Saturday and then endsup having a heart attack or a
stroke because they're nottraining every single day.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I love that you've conquered all that and you just
don't let it hold you down,because more people need to hear
that I feel like some people oh, I got a hangnail, I can't run,
I, I, I can't run, I gethangnails.
Okay, well, let's listen tolisa's story.
Yeah, no, so don't run, go walkfast yes, go I.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And it doesn't even have to be fast.
No, no, you know you don't haveto do a race, you don't it.
You know you have.
And again, if there's I youknow I'm big on disclaimers If
you feel that you know you'venot ever worked out, or it's
been years, at least talk toyour doctor.
First go have a physical, makesure you're somewhat in a place
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you know, and maybe that's whereyou get a personal trainer or
you start working with adietician, or or it could be a
whole combination of things tohelp get you where you need.
And with the walking adventures, this year is my fourth year as
a mini marathon ambassador.
The first time the 500 Festivalhas had a walker.
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So they've had a couple inbetween, because I did three
years in a row and then a coupleyears off, and then this year
got chosen for a mini ambassador, so it makes it awesome to be
able to get out and talk aboutwalking.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
That's great.
Yeah, you know it's cause, likeyou know, you were saying you
don't have to do a fast, getyour doctor's approval, just
move, just move.
Yeah, you know, get up and youknow, during a commercial walk
around your house you ain't gotto go out and kind of big things
.
You just need to move, move.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Well, and we found that out right at the beginning
of COVID.
And you know, people wonder whyI'm the way I am.
Well, when you're raised by oneof the original pioneer women
in life, my mother broke both ofher ankles putting her
Christmas tree up, had all kindsof offers to help, and she just
decided.
And she ended up climbing up aflight of stairs by herself, got
cleaned up, put on compressionsocks, put on clean pajamas and
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waited three hours to call me.
And then people wonder why I'mthe way I am.
But I I at that time, you know,everybody was working from home
, and so I was able to go hometo help her, which I, you know.
I'm so happy that, and wesurvived.
We didn't kill each other, andbut it was about keeping her in
a place.
You know, all of my weightswere here in Indianapolis.
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She's at 90 miles away at ourfamily farm.
She was literally using cans ofgreen beans to stay, you know.
So she didn't lose muscle infear if she had to have surgery.
So if there's a way, do it.
It doesn't have.
You don't need all the fancystuff.
And we learned that the hardway, because she still jokes
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about it.
You know who who?
Because I started cooking andyou know how do you cook to
build back bone, and so we justate healthier and she actually
lost 18 pounds.
So she likes to tease you knowwho breaks both ankles and then
loses 18 pounds.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Well, it's just because she was eating healthier
.
Yeah, yeah, that don't happen,it never happened.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
So, but it's just and , and you know, I've got a yoga
instructor I had met many, manyyears ago and our paths have
crossed again and, of course,now we've teased our evil.
Twins are much older now, butshe teaches different and talks
about what we need to be doingnow, for 20 years from now,
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about having strong ankles andstrong feet and strong wrist,
because those are all the places, as an older person, that you
fall.
Many break a wrist or theybreak an ankle, and I thought,
okay, ingenious, but I don'tknow.
In my heart, I'm still 23.
My kids are older than I am now.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Right.
And if you walk or exercisewith younger people, so all my
running mates are 40 or younger,right, there's a group of about
five of us now.
So, yeah, I feel like I'm in my40s and I'm not in my 40s or
50s anymore.
So you know.
(32:12):
But you know it's who you hangout with, with the things you do
and how you look at life.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Oh, it absolutely is.
And again, it's about owningthe body you wake up to every
single day, because it's goingto be different.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, indeed.
So what was it like?
Do you?
You're fueling for this walkingwhen you do the halves and
stuff?
Is that different than what arunner would do?
Do you feel like you burn thesame amount of calories?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Oh, great question.
I feel it does, but it changes.
Now about being diabetic.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Oh yes.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
And I wear a Dexcom.
I did the Purdue half last falland last year that would have
been at that point, the besthalf that I was on track to do.
I was right at an 11-minutemile walking Nice that was still
horsing around doing littlevideos at the beginning of each.
My favorite was mile threebecause it was three weeks and
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getting to love on my newgranddaughter.
She was three weeks old thatday, so she mile three was for
my granddaughter, indy, and soeach mile was either a mantra or
given back to somebody thatmight be going through something
.
And I hit, and so hit mileeight and I mean just oh, I was
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so excited I have the groovesthere and I started feeling off
and Dexcom had a national outageand I couldn't track.
And I carry all kinds ofelectrolytes on me.
I've really gotten into driedapricots just because they've
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got more potassium than a banana.
You can carry them on you.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
They don't squish up.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, they don't squish up, sometimes it's a
texture thing, but honestlythey're not that bad.
I think they're better For me.
I'm not big into the gel packs,but if I have to do one, I'll
do a gel.
I do the electrolyte jellybeans.
That's a go-to for me, I try.
What I try to do is especiallyon the longer races, and this is
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just again what works for me.
I kind of switch it out justbecause of the diabetic
component.
Thursday night is carb night,friday is my protein day, okay,
and then that.
And then I try to have a peanutbutter sandwich right at
midnight leading up to the raceday and then I've got kind of
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the snacky things to get readybecause I just I try to be a
little higher with the bloodsugar.
So again, that's what works forme.
But I, but I, I could tell itat that Purdue half that, when
it hit hard because you couldtell with the videos I started
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slurring my speech and I soundedlike I was drunk and it wasn't,
it was my daggone blood sugar,crashing, crashing, yeah, and I
had done everything.
It was just.
And that's where it getsfrustrating, because every day
with that is there and I meanall of our bodies are different
because what might work for you,and so that's been a lot.
We've got an indie miniFacebook page, much like you
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know we do with our, you knowour group and you know those,
and I tell people if you need toplay around with it now, you
don't wait, especially if you'renew to this.
You don't dare wait.
Don't go out and buy new sportsbras, don't go out and you stay
the course, and the same waywith your food, especially as
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you get closer to race day.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, and you need to keep a good record of OK
, this did not work or thisworked really well.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
So yeah, yes, or this tasted good, or you know, this
gave me heartburn, or I, youknow, and I I'm.
I cannot stand the yellowGatorade and that's all they.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, I agree, I don't.
I'm not a big fan of Gatorade,anyways, but I know that's what
you get, you know.
So, I take, I take what I likewith me, but then when it runs
out, then I use.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, then you're stuck, you got to get but yeah,
I hate the yellow.
Yeah Well, anytime I do acolonoscopy.
That's why I use the yellowthat way.
I don't want to do a flavor.
I like when you're gettingready to have a colonoscopy.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, you condition your brain to hate it regardless
, and that's what it makes youthink of.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I know that's awful, but it just I don't know.
There's so many things that areout there and that's something
special, and I'm also anambassador for Wheeler Mission
Drumstick Dash, which is done atThanksgiving here in Indiana,
is that?
A fun thing that they have it.
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It's the biggest fun Wheelermission Um.
It's just a locally owned orlocally sourced um men's and
women's shelter.
That's here, and the the dashis their biggest fundraiser that
they have for the year Nice.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
And that's on Thanksgiving.
You said.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
It's done on Thanksgiving.
So, and then I finish up withthe race and then I head back
downtown and I've got a group offriends of mine.
This'll be our this year.
I quit cooking at Thanksgivingand we started serving lunch at
the men's shelter after we getdone with the dash, so it's been
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a fun way to give back.
Yeah for sure.
And then there's another get totalk about walking and the
importance of one giving back toour community, but also I get
to use my steps to make ourcommunity a little better.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Very cool.
Yeah, I like that you're soinvolved.
That's really nice.
Now have you started anywalking groups in your area,
that's, you know, to get peopleout.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I well, I work for One America, an insurance
company downtown, and they werethe key sponsor for the mini
marathon up until this year andit's Indiana University Health,
iu Health.
We're still sponsoring some,but not that flagship.
So through work it's beenawesome.
(38:34):
We have some walking groups anda lot of that has been speared
by my craziness and it's neatthat I have coworkers that I
it's what I call a walkaboutmeeting and we might get around
to some work related.
But our building is kind of anoctagon and you can walk on the
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first floor in a big circle andwe might walk two or three steps
or two or three laps to talk alittle bit of work and then we
go back to our desk.
But it's a good.
I try to set those type even ifit's just me between every
meeting that I have every day.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
And then the days I work from home I will.
Monday's is plank day, so I'lldo planks between and I started
this when we were all hunkereddown with COVID and then it got
crap.
That's five days a week I'mdoing all this extra stuff and
then I thought I can't handstandday I can't do in the office.
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It won't be very HR.
That's great so, but it's beena great way of getting folks up
and moving and and my companyhas been awesome about
supporting it.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
And it has morphed a little.
But just, I need to do betterwith some of like the walking
groups and the running groups.
I've gone a handful of times.
I, a couple of years ago, wasan ambassador for the store
fleet feet and there weren't alot of walkers, but again it was
about promoting the store andyou know, and it did help get
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some folks up and going that arewalkers, but it's again, it's
that weird space and it's thatway, even with some of like the
Facebook groups, because mostare runners and I've been bitten
back more than once because Iwalk and don't you get it?
(40:35):
It's called like running,whatever the rest of the name of
the group is Yep, I can read,yeah, used to be one, but I
guarantee you I will bury you inmileage and it shouldn't be
that way.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
That's okay, though, you know, because I know
probably the last, probablysince 21, so probably the last
four years I've been doing a runwalk.
So my coach that I had for myIronman and my 100 miler.
When I got to the 100 miler, hesaid, okay, you're going to run
seven minutes and walk threeminutes.
I'm like I'm going to walk.
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And he's like you can't run a100 miler the whole way, you're
going to have to walk becauseyou need to take in enough fuel,
right?
And I went all right, well, Iloved it, and so I at that point
was, I think, starting to hearabout Jeff Galloway.
And I thought well, maybe I'lltry this on my marathons.
And so since then I've done therun walk for my marathons and I
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still can, if I'm not injured,keep the times that I was doing
when I was only running, and Irecover so much better
afterwards.
I can still walk the next daywhere a lot of people can't get
up and down steps, you know.
So yeah, I'm a firm believer inthe walk.
And those people that say, ohwell, you walked part of your
marathon, uh yeah, but I stillcovered the distance and I
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probably outran you.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh, absolutely.
You know, I just and I'vewanted.
I don't want to kill myselfanymore, I want to have fun and
I, two years ago, I earned myangel wings.
I was a chariot racer withAnsley's angels.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, I am too, I love it.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, and I am forever changed because of my
angel Peyton, and about beingpresent.
And you know, we don't need toplay around on our phones, we
don't need to listen to music,we don't.
We have the best orchestra inthe world outside, with all the
birds and bugs and whatever youknow with nature, and so I have
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really gotten away fromlistening to music.
When I walk and I, just I goand you know I, I still, you
know, do a lot with Ansley'sAngels and it just, you know, I,
I was forever changed in a goodway.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, that's great.
I um, I, I run with them aswell.
I do the five.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, that's great, I run with them as well.
I do the five, not more than a10K.
But yeah, it's great't care ifit's one or it's 10, you're
still giving back, you're stillhelping.
And then our little aches andpains didn't really mean
anything when you look at whatsome of these kiddos and parents
are going through especiallyand then I sat back and look at
the parents I I was actuallyfelt guilty because God blessed
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me with two normal, healthy kidsand what they go through to
give their kid normalcy.
Yeah, and so the importance ofwalking or running, because they
can't you give them wings for aday.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
It truly is.
It truly is.
What other wonderful thingswould you like the audience to
know about you that you do?
You do everything.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I can't make jello and I can't sew.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Okay, I can sew, but I can't make jello yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, who needs jello anyway?
Who needs jello?
No, and I can take the sewingmachine apart.
I just can't put it backtogether.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
So no, well, I can't sew with a sewing machine, so I
can only do my hands.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
No, I just I don't know it's been crazy, but it's
been a good crazy and I just Ican't imagine what my health
metrics would be, you know,coming off of having the two
cervical spine surgeries, had myfirst physical done a couple
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months after the second one andmy triglycerides were 500.
And it just really has beeneye-opening for me.
And about really owning,because I really hoped to not
have to do a statin and some ofthe drugs that and unfortunately
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that wasn't the case.
And you know I keep I'm old,now I have a pill box and it
kills me.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah, get the rattler , do you yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:29):
And it is what it is.
I look that it's a well-fueledmachine that's got some
expensive drugs that's set in apillbox.
So it's kind of like having agreat craftsman tool chest with
some really expensive tools thatkeep you going.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
But, you know, if you go down to the Daytona 500 and
you look at those race cars,they've got the STP oil, this
and the oh yes.
So that's what you have in your.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Oh yeah, and that's the weird mindset that I had to
finally go down a path.
You know that was I worked withan endocrineinologist and with
some thyroid stuff and then whenshe had done some blood work
and it came back, I knew, whenshe walked in and said, you can
take your shoes and socks offwhat was coming.
And I'm like, I'm not taking myshoes and socks off because she
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takes the picture of my feetevery time I come to see her
lover.
But I just, and I well, weargued and I knew I didn't even
want her to say it, it was thebig D word, diabetes, and I, you
know, got to love our family.
But when you look to what's inwith genetics and so it just I
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think it has helped with mind,body and soul of just getting up
and moving.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, and I don't know Peopleyou had asked earlier about the
groups.
Honestly, there's times I likejust being by myself too.
I mean it's fun doing groupsand it's fun probably more so
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with the tailgating kind ofthing.
It's fun doing groups and it'sfun, probably more so with the
tailgating kind of thing.
A girlfriend's husband set up atable for the four of us that
were either walking or runningto do our virtual 10-mile race
today.
He had cowbells God love them.
Somebody had to drive him home.
His wife had to drive him homebecause he had a Bloody Mary bar
going.
That's awesome.
He had to drive his drunk butthome.
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But you know, I told her heshould at least get 50 extra
brownie points for setting upsnacks and being there out in
the rain.
Absolutely, I thought it wasfunny and I gave him 50 extra
because I don't drink anymoreand he had a virgin Bloody Mary
for me and had it marked soeverybody would stay out of it.
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So I don't know, you've got tohave fun, and yes it's work, but
when you're having fun,honestly you don't know you've
worked or walked or ran andyou've got bragging rights.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
You truly do and think about where your health
would be if you weren't moving.
You know you would still haveall these things, but you'd be
so much worse off because you'renot moving.
And you are probably cuttingall of that in half just by the
activity, just by all those 30million steps you're taking
every year.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yes, well, and that was even.
Triglycerides were 88 this lastgo around compared to 500.
They were so high five yearsago.
Technically they were probablyhigher than the 500, because you
get to a point it can't yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
And I got nothing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
But it's made me more aware of you, know what you put
in your mouth and what you do,and and I know this isn't for
everybody, but it's also whatworks for me- and clearly it is
working.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
It is working.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Yeah and it.
But you know, I don't know itgets frustrating when you know
something else pops up or thisor that, and but it's just you
know to have.
And it's funny to set backbecause when I was um in
Cincinnati, get or you know,they're doing the heart cath and
I'm now part of um, a trialprogram with, uh, it's a female
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cardiologist out of Cincinnatiand she's got a um where she's
studying women's heart healthand Addie and she's got a where
she's studying women's hearthealth.
And so a question she askedcause I was completely awake for
this heart cath and she hadasked my doctor, does she work
out?
And my nurse beside me he saidshe can't answer but I'm going
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to.
She's made us all feel likelosers because she walked 10
miles before her heart cathtoday.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
So there's your answer.
That's awesome.
Her calf today.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
So there's your answer.
That's awesome, but it's for me, it's not about shaming.
And you know, if I can getsomebody up, and I had a
girlfriend last summer and she'slost quite a bit of weight and
her she falls into that.
She's too busy looking herethat I need.
No, you don't.
You don't because you'rekilling yourself here.
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You got to build the endurance.
Quit that, quit it.
And I'm bad for it too.
We all are.
That's human nature and youknow I think she's lost close to
50 pounds now.
That's great.
And I doubled back and on a 5kand walked with her and she was
in tears that it sucks.
This is hot.
Walked with her and she was intears that it sucks this is hot,
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I'm sweaty, I'm dirty, yep.
So what?
Yeah, it beats you know, layingup in bed half the day.
Look what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
And there are showers .
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Imagine that.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Oh yeah, and you know , and I've tried to, I've even
gone down a path about you know,go buy some cute, you know,
workout clothes.
She loves to shop, so I'vetried to find things that she
will relate to.
But quit beating up on yourself.
Yeah, love yourself first, andI think, especially as women and
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moms, that's hard because weput everybody else before us.
And now you know, I got taggedwith a nickname of Mama Gangster
, mama G in the house and I waslistening to an Eminem song,
baking Pies.
One day and my daughter and herfriends walked in the house and
I was listening to Eminem songand I moonwalked across the
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floor and kind of threw mygangster sign.
And that's when Mama Gang ormama G nickname.
And now I am gangster granny orGigi in the house after my
granddaughter was born.
So I don't want to be thetraditional grandma.
Yeah, that's great.
So you just you gotta have somefun.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
And even last year with the our, especially with
the mini, I actually stopped anddid some line dancing, Nice
Cause we'll have little bands orlittle dance groups or whatever
, and I thought I, who cares ifit ended up being a 14 minute
mile by the time it was said anddone.
Look what I've accomplished.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah, and that was fun it was more fun to do that.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Well, and it was two weeks after having my first
heart cath, so it meant moreabout being grateful and walking
in grace and stopping andshaking it like no other at some
of the little groups than itdid having a 10 minute mile.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yeah, yeah, I at one of my races, um, I think that in
Washington state we ran by thispark.
It was some like out and backsand there was this thing the
kids at the park, they would siton and ride it down.
Um, I can't think of what theycall those, like a.
It's like a.
My mind is blanking.
(52:51):
Anyways, I asked him.
I said I'm in the middle ofthis race, but can I cut in
front of you and ride that thing?
And he was like yeah, I saidwill you video me?
So I got my phone out and itwas during the race.
I'm like I don't care.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
I was like I don't care.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
I just that thing really bad.
So, yeah, you gotta, you gottado the fun stuff.
You've got to do the fun stuffand I, you know, and I've
because, trust me, I have beenthat one that you'd haul it and
you do it until there's nothingleft.
And sure, I do a lot of mileageand it's a commitment every
single day and I don't know I,as of yesterday, I'm 1,772 miles
into this year.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Wow, that's fantastic and that's even having COVID.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
At the beginning of February I was really sick and I
was still out walking.
There might have been a coupleof times there might have been a
local police officer.
I was sitting down and I'm like, I am not drunk or on drugs, I
have COVID and I'm running 104fever.
I'm fine, I just need a moment.
And he goes what are you doing?
(53:57):
I said I'm not power walking,not so efficiently.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
And he said stay home on that day with the fever.
But that's just me.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
And well, but that's part of again listen to your
doctor.
But there's parts of it too,about getting up and moving when
you have COVID to offset Cause.
Now I have the potential ofgetting other blood clots
because I had the one.
(54:29):
Oh, yeah, for sure, yeah, so,and that may have been because
I've had COVID now three timesand it that could have been part
of the COVID issue from thefirst go around.
We don't know, but nonethelessit would just, and it was
snippets of maybe two miles, but, but again of maybe two miles,
(54:53):
but again I should do better.
But it's also even though I laythere a hundred and four, a
hundred and five feet, I justthink, oh, my God, this is
killing me.
I'm going to have to lay in bedand it's not in my wheelhouse.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Well, that's good to hear.
I mean, it's fantastic all thethings that you're doing and
what you're doing in yourcommunity and for yourself and
now for others to hear.
So we donated a couple of localhospitals and my second.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
they're actually sisters, different litters, same
mom and dad.
So they're my redneck series ofdogs.
They're Lulabelle and Ellie Mae.
So Ellie's got one more examand the hope is that we will be
working at a local library wherekids will read to her.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
Oh, that's so great.
You're just in it everywhere.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah, so really honestly, there's no excuses.
People, they can reach out inso many different ways to help
others give back and plus dothings at the same time for
themselves.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Well, that was like with Wheeler Mission.
I got an email letting me knowI'd been chosen as volunteer of
the year in 2023.
I emailed them back and said Ithink you sent this to the wrong
person.
And they emailed me back andsaid this is why we love you
You're one in a million thatwould resend their
congratulations email.
I honestly did not think it wasme.
(56:26):
I honestly thought they hadsent it to the wrong person.
That's really great.
It's a wonderful organizationand the thought of being able to
give back and especially to goin on a holiday and serve lunch
to those that wouldn't have ameal otherwise will forever
change you.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
That's so great.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
And I get to use walking to get there.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Oh yeah, there you go .
That's great.
Well, thank you so much forbeing on the show, Lisa.
It's just been incrediblelistening to you.
You have just a wonderfuljourney and I hope that one
person that listens to this will, you know, start their journey.
You know, whatever it may be Ifyou just change one person, if
you change a dozen, great, butif you just change one person
(57:14):
that's listening to this to getthem up off the couch Just when
you think you can't.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
You know this would have been the beginning of 2023
was hard for me, that I onlywalked 4,000 miles that year.
I was diagnosed with melanomaagain, let's, and I have an
eight inch scar on the inside ofmy right.
So as you're up and out walking, especially for us girls or
folks that love to be outside,wear your sunscreen, yeah, but
(57:44):
just when you think, I don'tknow, when you get thrown one
more curve ball, there arepeople you know that will listen
and will talk to you andencourage you and find those not
the Debbie Downers, becausethat particular year it was time
to really clean up closetsabout being with people who walk
(58:06):
in grace and extend grace toothers.
And I mean, it's been a roughhaul.
It truly has been, but thewalking and giving back is two
of my love languages, so thiswas an honor, thank you.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
My pleasure.
Have a great day.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
All, right, now I'm going to cry my eyes out.
Speaker 1 (58:26):
Thanks, bye bye, it's all about sharing the love.
Speaker 2 (58:28):
Take care.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
You too.
Bye-bye.
It's all about sharing the love.
Take care you too.
Bye-bye, all right.
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