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August 17, 2023 31 mins

Reality blurs and perceptions shift in astonishing ways with Capgras Delusion, a rare psychological phenomenon that challenges our understanding of identity and cognition. Hear the chilling true crime story of Blazej Kot, a man driven by delusion to unthinkable actions. Discover the heart-wrenching case of Mary, a mother who couldn't recognize her own daughter. And Madame M who is at the epicenter of Capgras Delusion.

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(00:09):
Picture a world where the faces you hold dear.
The voices that have comforted you through countless moments begin to morph before your eyes,
one by one,
your loved ones are replaced by identical duplicates down to the subtlest quirks of their mannerisms.

(00:33):
Yet as you look into their eyes,
as their smiles reach your ears,
an unsettling truth takes root in your mind.
These individuals,
these replicas are not who they seem to be in this disconcerting scenario.
Each person's essence is eclipsed by your gnawing certainty that these are impostors.

(01:01):
The wellspring of love and shared memories seems to be overridden by an unyielding belief that shatters the very foundation of your relationships.
This isn't a simple case of mistaken identity.
It's an intricate puzzle that probes the deepest recesses of your understanding of reality,

(01:24):
the mind that remarkable tapestry of thoughts and perceptions becomes a battleground.
You witness the same faces,
hear the same voices.
Yet the narrative woven within your consciousness has veered into a treacherous labyrinth.
You might try to justify your unease grasping at straws to explain the uncanny resemblance,

(01:52):
but your convictions remain steadfast as you navigate this surreal terrain.
You're not just confronting the duality of perception and reality.
You're wrestling with the very essence of your sense of self.
The mind's ability to weave connections between people and memories is cast into a stark relief against the bewildering backdrop of these impostors.

(02:20):
Each interaction becomes a test,
each touch,
each gaze laden with suspicion,
the laughter that once resonated within shared joy now reverberates with a haunting echo of doubt.
It's as if you're living within a dream where the lines between the tangible and the intangible blur into an unsettling tapestry in this mental maze.

(02:49):
The concept of trust and unspoken cornerstone of relationships buckles under the weight of skepticism.
As you grapple with this dissonance,
you become a detective of your own mind piecing together the fragments of perception and reality,
searching for the elusive truth that will restore your world to its rightful order.

(03:15):
It's a journey of introspection of questioning and ultimately,
of understanding the complex interplay between belief,
perception and the unfathomable depths of the human psyche.

(03:52):
Welcome to Psychology of The Strange,
the podcast that delves into the depths of human psychology to explore the obscure and mysterious aspects of the human mind.
I'm your host,
Tara Perro.
And together we'll embark on a journey behind the strange and unexplained phenomena that captivate our imagination.

(04:45):
La Kot Born's Polish parents in Zaire embarked on a life journey that spanned continents.
He moved with his family to New Zealand and attended the University of Auckland before venturing to Cornell University in pursuit of a phd carrying a student visa and a dream of scholarly achievement.

(05:08):
However,
beneath the surface of this achievement lay a complex psychological landscape during his teenage years,
had exhibited traits reminiscent of schizophrenia,
offering a glimpse into the intricate workings of his mind.
He often found himself entrapped by thoughts that someone might be watching him and putting him under surveillance.

(05:36):
He believed it was by a shadowy presence lurking within the electrical wall outlets.
This unsettling paranoia painted his reality a constant reminder that his perception of the world was tinged with uncertainty.
During his years of adolescence,

(05:58):
Lege found himself entangled in an inner struggle,
a battleground where the boundaries between perception and reality blurred.
His thoughts were like opposing forces locked in a relentless clash that echoed through his mind.
The memories of his past experiences,

(06:18):
like lingering specters cast long shadows over his present reality was often reserved and shy,
particularly around unfamiliar faces.
However,
his time at Cornell University became a transformative chapter in his life.

(06:39):
It was here that he experienced a remarkable blossoming of his social abilities.
It was here that he crossed paths with the love of his life.
A connection that would transcend mere acquaintanceship and transform into profound love.
Their bonds culminated in a marriage in Ithaca in October 2008,

(07:04):
a celebration of love that marked the beginning of a shared journey as their relationship deepened.
So did their dreams they saved up for a wedding ceremony in the exotic embrace of Costa Rica.
An event that would cement their commitment against the backdrop of nature's splendor.

(07:25):
However,
by this time,
Blas Path had taken an unexpected turn.
He had taken a leave of absence from his phd program to venture into the world of business startups.
The demand of his new endeavor led to grueling work weeks stretching anywhere from 60 to 80 hours.

(07:48):
The strains of his professional life compounding with the mounting financial pressures cast a heavy toll on his well-being.
The weight of these burdens manifested as an onset of depression,
paranoia and acute symptoms associated with Capra delusion.

(08:10):
This particular form of misidentification syndrome often surfaces in patients diagnosed with schizophrenia as bla grappled with these challenges,
the love and bond he shared with his wife were put to the test.
The very relationship that had provided him solace and growth became a part of the intricate web of his mind.

(08:37):
On the evening of June 2nd,
as the sun dipped below the horizon.
A series of tragic events unfolded forever altering the lives of those involved.
On that fateful day.
La's wife had taken a moment to share the cherished memories of their wedding day.

(08:58):
She uploaded the wedding pictures onto her Facebook page.
A digital gallery of love and happiness that was meant to be shared with friends and family.
Tragically,
just a short distance from the comfort of their apartment,
a trail beckoned that wound its way between two parks inviting bikers and joggers to travel its path.

(09:24):
This very trail would become the setting for a dark and unimaginable act.
What transpired next was a harrowing tale of violence that defied reason and comprehension attacked his wife wielding an iron pipe as a weapon.

(09:45):
He battered her head in an act of violence.
He then proceeded to further his assault,
slashing her throat with a carpet cutting knife.
The tranquility of the surroundings stood in stark contrast to the horror that was unfolding in the aftermath of this brutal act.

(10:05):
Leger's actions took an even more chilling turn.
He set their apartment ablaze a desperate attempt to erase the physical evidence of the violence that had taken place in a frantic attempt to cover his tracks.
He tried to eliminate any remnants that could link him to the heinous crime.

(10:27):
The flames once unleashed,
consumed the remnants of their shared life and became a haunting reflection of the darkness that had gripped him in a startling twist.
The apartment fire became the prelude to another harrowing chapter.
Bla found himself in a confrontation with law enforcement.

(10:50):
A tense five mile high speed chase ensued.
The pursuit was triggered when a state park officer spotted bla in a parked car,
his arms marked by dried blood,
an unsettling testament to the violence that had unfolded as the chase continued.

(11:12):
La's desperation seemed to escalate.
He turned a knife on himself slashing his own throat.
This self inflicted wound left him in critical condition.
His life hanging in the balance.
However,
through a swift and daring rescue effort,
LA was airlifted to a hospital later when faced with the grim reality of his own actions,

(11:39):
he uttered words that sent shivers down the spine.
He explained that he believed he needed to disrupt what he perceived as a conspiracy against him that his wife was a part of in his mind.
This disruption would take the form of a spectacular event.

(12:02):
He shaped her death within the contours of an accident.
A veneer that masked his darker intentions.
His beliefs seemed to revolve around the notion that her death would somehow free him.
The tragic sequence of events of Bla Cotte is a reminder of the devastating impact of darkness within the human psyche.

(12:26):
It's a tale of destruction,
both internal and external where the consequences of one individual's actions reverberated through multiple layers of existence.
The fire that raised their apartment symbolized the destruction of the life.
They once shared the high speed chase and the self inflicted wounds were acts that further underscored the depths of pain,

(12:51):
desperation and turmoil that Bla was s grappling with.
This narrative stands as a reminder of the multifaceted nature of human behavior and the intricate interplay between our thoughts,
emotions and actions.
It highlights the unpredictable potential that resides within each individual showcasing the contrast between love and violence that can coexist within the human heart.

(13:24):
The events of the evening are a grim testament to the depths of darkness that can reside within the human psyche,
that human capacity for love and connection can under certain circumstances be overshadowed by the monstrous impulses that dwell within us.

(13:59):
In a quiet suburban neighborhood.
Mary,
a woman of 40 found herself trapped in a reality that seemed to elude her concerns had arisen about her mental well-being,
specifically her ability to care for her own daughter.
Sarah,
who was just nine years old.

(14:20):
Whispers of a mental health diagnosis were in the air as Mary had repeatedly voiced a distressing belief that Sarah was no longer her daughter but an impostor,
a charade orchestrated by some unseen force.
It was a belief,
so profound,

(14:41):
so unsettling that it colored every facet of her life.
The tale's origins can be traced to Mary's adamant declaration that her own flesh and blood,
her cherished nine-year-old daughter had been snatched away by the very institution meant to protect Children,
child protective services in her daughter's place,

(15:05):
stood an impostor,
an inexplicable doppelganger cast into the role of her beloved child.
Strangers still were Mary's claims of giving birth to twins as an event that the hospital records flatly contradict.
Recognizing only the birth of Sarah,

(15:27):
the dissonance between Mary's recollections and official records added to the enigma that shrouded her thoughts.
She sought validation,
validation that would never truly come in the face of this bewildering ascert a chorus of voices rose to offer solace,

(15:48):
health care professionals armed with knowledge and experience,
attempted to dismantle Mary's delusions with kind and patient words.
They sought to soothe her mind,
well,
meaning relatives,
their hearts heavy with concern wrapped Mary in their understanding,

(16:09):
promising that her fears were unfounded yet like a sailor lost in a storm.
Mary clung to her conviction like a lifeline in the tempest.
It was as if her mind had erected a fortress,
an Impenetrable belief that defied the lighthouse beams of reason and the gales of reality.

(16:32):
The comforting words became mere whispers brushed aside by the hurricane forced winds of her delusion.
Each attempt to chip away at the wall she had erected was met with resistance as if the bricks themselves were forged with the iron will of her convictions.

(16:53):
Mary appeared at her daughter's school amidst the thrumming heartbeat of youthful energy.
Her presence became a jarring discordance,
a symphony out of tune.
As Mary materialized at the school,
her face bore the weight of her inner turmoil etched with the lines of anguish,

(17:13):
teachers,
students and staff turned to Mary,
some with concern others with trepidation,
unsure how to navigate the waters of her unsettling presence.
And then with a voice edged with urgency.
Mary became hysteric,
crying out.

(17:34):
Give me my real daughter.
I know what you have done.
Each word was a plea,
a demand for validation in a world that seemed to have conspired against her it was a cry that encapsulated the tragedy of a mind unraveling a bond between mother and daughter strained to its breaking point.

(17:56):
It was a cry that forced everyone to confront the harsh reality that sometimes mental illness can sweep even the most steadfast love into uncharted territory.
However,
teachers found themselves thrust in a role they were ill equipped to play and were unsure how to navigate the unfolding dilemma.

(18:22):
Mary had other instances where she believed that Sarah was being whisked away in the blink of an eye stolen from her grasp by unseen hands during the mundane tasks of her daily life.
One particularly vivid instance involved a passing car driven by an unfamiliar figure carrying Sarah away.

(18:46):
As Mary's story wove on the threads of her sanity began to unravel following a comprehensive psychiatric evaluation,
a diagnosis emerged delusional disorder with a touch of Capra syndrome,
a condition that anchored her to the conviction that her loved ones were impostors.

(19:09):
Her belief was not fleeting,
but a persistent specter gnawing at her reality,
medical intervention followed the hope of respite glimmering on the horizon.
Risperdone.
A medication often used to alleviate delusions was prescribed.
But the fortress of Mary's mind proved formidable doses,

(19:35):
escalated consultations multiplied,
but the delusion stood,
resolute medication was not a magic key to unlock her mind.
But as Mary wrestled with her tortured mind,
her daughter's state dangled precariously in the balance.
The department of Social Services bearing the responsibility of safeguarding children's well-being,

(20:01):
took a cautious step onto the stage.
The weight of their decision was immense for they saw a child whose mother's mental state posed a great threat.
The courtroom,
an arena of truth and justice became the backdrop for a somber symphony.

(20:21):
The battle was not one of swords and shields,
but of legalities and emotions.
An intricate dance between what was just and what was compassionate.
Lawyers presented their arguments,
painting vivid pictures of Mary's fractured reality and the implications for Sarah's future emotions swirled Mary once a nurturing mother now stood at the center,

(20:52):
her eyes haunted and uncertain darted around the room as if searching for an anchor.
Family members wept torn between love for Mary and concern for Sarah.
The judge solemn weighed the evidence presented before them as witnesses took the stand,

(21:13):
the depth of the tragedy seemed starkly apparent.
Sarah now caught between her mother's delusions and her own yearning for maternal warrant testified with words that echoed like a cry in the night.
I love my mother.
Except when she doesn't believe in me.

(21:35):
The ache in those words,
a plea for her mother to recognize the daughter she had held nurtured and loved.
In the end,
the judge's gavel fell,
marking the culmination of the symphony.
The decision was reached the dice cast.

(21:56):
Sarah's custody was entrusted to the Department of Social Services until such time that Mary could regain her grasp on reality.
The verdict was a note of melancholy for justice had been served,
but the heartache remained supervised visits followed.
Although they were strained and difficult.

(22:18):
Tragically,
Mary continued to cling to the belief that Sarah was not her own.

(22:40):
While distinctions exist between the circumstances surrounding Bla Kotz and Mary's case,
a significant common thread unites them both were afflicted by the presence of Capra delusion.
A shared struggle that tied their experiences together.
Cap Gras syndrome is named after the pioneering French psychiatrist Jean Marie Joseph Capra,

(23:09):
who first penned its intricacies in 1923 the Cap Gras syndrome stands as a testament to the mind's pathways within its perplexing contours lies a psychological phenomenon that bends perception and belief in startling ways.
At the center of this syndrome stands a patient known as Madam M A singular embodiment of the disorder's complexities.

(23:38):
Her journey into the labyrinth corridors of the mind began with a belief that veered into the surreal,
those familiar faces,
those who had shared laughter,
tears and countless moments with her became like marionettes controlled by unseen hands.

(23:58):
Her family,
those closest to her heart were no longer recognizable to her.
They had been replaced mere imitations dawning the skin of her loved ones.
However,
madam M's delusion did not stop at the threshold of her family like a ripple extending across upon surface.

(24:20):
Her conviction expanded to encompass neighbors,
friends and even casual acquaintances.
The world around her had become a theater of impostors each face a mask,
disguising an ulterior reality.
The boundaries of familiarity dissolved,
leaving behind a landscape where every person was a potential agent of deception in the face of such an extraordinary belief.

(24:50):
Madam M wove an even more extraordinary narrative.
She spoke of having an astounding number of husbands over 80 to be exact.
These husbands,
these supposed partners in life were transient entities in her delusional universe to her.

(25:11):
They were placeholders,
occupants of a role that was promptly vacated for the next doppelganger.
Their details were immaterial.
Their individuality overshadowed by the persistent conviction that they were but fleeting imposters.
The aspect of Madam M's delusions cast light on the paradoxical nature of Capra syndrome.

(25:37):
Her experiences while firmly anchored in her reality were woven in a way that defied the common threads of logic and reason.
It's as if the web of her consciousness had been spun by a mind seeking to impose order upon a fractured reality.
Even if that order was built on the bricks of delusion.

(26:00):
The Cap Gras syndrome embodied by madam M serves as a haunting reminder of the mind's capacity to twist perception.
It raises questions that touch the core of our understanding of identity,
relationships and the intricate world of cognition.
It's a realm where the ordinary morphs into the extraordinary and the mundane becomes a canvas for the extraordinary dance of delusion.

(26:32):
A further layer of complexity within Capra's illusion is that people may even doubt their own identity upon seeing their reflection in a mirror.
One man pinched himself after encountering his reflection at the doctor's office,
questioning whether he and the man in the mirror were the same person.

(26:54):
Another woman flew into a jealous rage when she caught the sight of her own reflection,
convinced that this other woman was trying to lure her husband away.
Her husband resorted to covering the reflective surfaces in the home to prevent her from harming herself.
Strangely,
she had no issue recognizing herself in the mirror of her makeup compact but larger mirrors triggered assaults on the imaginary poster.

(27:25):
In a creative approach,
her doctor gradually exposed her to mirrors of varying sizes until she could view herself in a full length mirror.
Resulting in a cure.
In some cases,
individuals with Capra delusion perceive duplicate objects rather than people.

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For instance,
a patient believed that his poodle had been replaced by an identical dog while another felt their running shoes and personal belongings were being continuously replaced overnight.
Capra delusion consistently revolves around one specific sense.
The most common is sight where a person may recognize their loved ones over the phone,

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but perceive impostors upon meeting them in person.
Surprisingly,
blind individuals have been diagnosed with this disorder,
perceiving the voices of loved ones as coming from duplicates.
The cause of Cap Gras syndrome remains largely unknown.
Although several theories have been proposed,

(28:33):
brain lesions in the right temporal lobe resulting from traumatic injuries,
epilepsy or other causes have been observed in many patients.
However,
a significant number of patients exhibit no such evidence of damage.
There is also a higher incidence of schizophrenia among individuals with Cap Grass syndrome.

(28:56):
And the disorder appears more prevalent among the Maori people in New Zealand.
Compared to the general population.
Researchers have explored potential connections to prosopagnosia,
a condition that impairs face recognition,
but Capra syndrome lacks the emotional response observed in prosopagnosia.

(29:20):
Another hypothesis suggests damage or impairment in two brain lobes,
one affecting emotional connections related to recognizing faces and the other affecting the brain's consistency checking abilities,
consistent effective treatments and a comprehensive theory to explain all reported cases of Capra syndrome have yet to be discovered.

(29:45):
What we do know is that the human mind employs various interconnected cognitive mechanisms to fill the perceptual gaps.
Constructing a simulation that enables us to interact with the world.
When one or two of these cognitive links malfunctions,
the true complexity of the simulation is unveiled,

(30:08):
presenting intriguing challenges from the benign to the brutal Capra delusion can affect people.
In many ways.
The human psyche is a complex realm and delving into the strange and unusual can shed light on the depths of our experiences from extraordinary beliefs to extraordinary experiences.

(30:30):
I aim to uncover the psychological underpinnings behind the extraordinary.

(30:58):
Thank you for joining me today on Psychology of the Strange.
If you have any questions,
comments or suggestions for future episodes,
I would love to hear from you.
You can reach out to me through my website psychology of the strange dot pod beam dot com or on X at psych strange Pod.

(31:22):
Stay curious.
Keep exploring and remember that the mysteries of the human mind are boundless.
Until next time this is Tara Perro signing off.
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