July 1, 2025 • 36 mins
What should Christians know about Critical Race Theory, and how can you respond with biblical conviction? Join Meeke Addison as she interviews Bryan Osborne, author of Woke Injustice and speaker at Answers in Genesis. In this eye-opening episode, Bryan breaks down the roots of CRT, its influence on the church, and the dangers of redefining truth and justice apart from God’s Word. He shares practical advice on equipping your family to resist cultural pressure and emphasizes the sufficiency of Scripture in facing social issues. This conversation is essential listening for Christian families, church leaders, and anyone passionate about defending a biblical worldview. Like, share, and subscribe for more faith-centered insights!
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Woke Injustice: A Biblical Response to Critical Race Theory, by Bryan Osborne
Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion, by Allie Beth Stuckey
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Some very prominent Christian voices were conceding or
compromising God's word to go along with a cultural narrative
really rooted in a false empathyquite often.
And so they'll take that and kind of pull on the heart string
to say you should think this wayor you should say this if you
have any empathy at all, any true love at all.
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All right, my guest, our guest today is Brian Osborne.
And I, I feel like, Brian, this is kind of like we're just
hanging out on a regular basis here, right?
Hey. That sounds all right with me
and it does feel that way, but feels good.
It's good to hang out and chat again and doesn't feel like it's
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been that long, but it's been a little bit.
It's been a little bit, you know, and our culture is not
slowing down. I'm, I'm grateful for the work
that you guys do over at Answersand Genesis, kind of responding
to the cultural questions of ourday.
Whenever there is an issue that rivals biblical authority, we've
got to respond and you guys are experts in your field at that.
I want to talk about the book that you've written, Woke and
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Justice, a biblical response to critical race theory.
This is one of those topics thatI think people, it's kind of
gotten to the level of buzzinessand so people have heard it, but
they don't understand how insidious it is and that it's
not slowing down just because more people are talking about
it. Why was it so important for you
to write a response to Critical Race Theory?
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Yeah. You know, initially, many years
ago when this really kind of hitthe forefront of our cultural
landscape and sent three or fouryears ago, I felt this burden to
give a response biblically, helpChristians have a biblical
response to this issue because Ihad to, I first had to find out
for myself. So when this was really, you
know, becoming more popular, youhear the buzzwords kind of
flying around a lot more. I didn't know the answers.
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I didn't know what they were talking about.
I had to figure out what was going on for myself, my own
family. So I did the research and of
course, as you mentioned, our ministry is all about
understanding those issues, diving in and using God's Word
as our standard. That's our starting point,
that's our framework and understand all issues from that
particular understanding. So I was doing that, I found
some really good resources to help me kind of guide me on my
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path, have a biblical understanding of this issue.
And then as I became aware of it, as you just said, I realized
how insidious, how malicious, how anti biblical this ideology
really is and how deeply rooted it is in our culture in
different ways people are not aware of because I wasn't aware
of it. And So what we're seeing now for
the last few years has been the fruit of this neo Marxist
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ideology. But it's been around for a very
long time. The root is very deep and so
because of that I felt AI need to get the message out there.
Created a presentation on a biblical response to critical
race theory and then was given that for quite a few years and
then after a while I thought maybe I could make it into a
book a few years later and I didcalled Woke Injustice.
So really Woke injustice is my talk just expanded more in depth
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and give me more details in thatbook.
And so to give a Christian a biblical response to all these
ideas. So for me it was that personal
journey to begin with and there are other personal motivations
as well. It wasn't just about a biblical
response, but understanding how to equip my kids, my family,
those under my care, to have a biblical understanding of who
they are, what is their true identity, which is found in
Christ, ultimately alone. And so really pointing them to
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that. So giving my family that, given
those in our churches that biblical foundation, and sharing
that with a larger Christian audience, that was my hope in
all this. Yeah, I do appreciate that there
is there's a need for us to always have a biblical response
and to have a righteous indignation over sin.
The things that we see that are ripe in our culture.
There is, though, the the real opportunity that I think the
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Lord uses in our personal experiences, like when we
encounter these conversations orsomeone and says something to us
and it's like, wait, where is that coming from?
We don't even know the ideology that's fueling it, but we just
start to see the fruit of it, right?
Like it has a root. I'm curious to know what were
some of your personal experiences?
Was it just maybe people coming through AIG or maybe public
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posts of questions, or did you have personal encounters that
left you kind of scratching yourhead about this?
It was much more for me. I think the cultural landscape,
when you have George Floyd and different issues taking place
years back, that really kind of brought fruit to bear in our
culture. And then to me it was all the
Christian responses to the secular voices.
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Now, in many cases, some very prominent Christian voices were
conceding or compromising God's word to go along with a cultural
narrative really rooted in a false empathy quite often.
And so they'll take that and kind of pull on the heartstring
to say you should think this wayor you should say this if you
have any empathy at all, any true love at all.
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And they'll be rearranging, redefining truth and justice to
do that. Whereas of course I want to have
empathy and love, no doubt, but empathy and love are rooted in
God's truth. Amen you.
Can't separate those things fromGod's truth.
And so we have empathy and love from a biblical worldview rooted
in who God is, His nature, and His word.
We can't separate those two things.
And so for me, it was really theresponse of many Christians who
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I respected, but they were giving very non biblical answers
to some of the most prevalent issues of our age, especially
years ago, but still today. And so it was that a really that
was front center in my thinking.Of course, as a ministry, we
deal with that up quite often where Christians are giving
answers, prominent Christians giving bad answers in some
cases. And so we want to give our
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larger Christian audience a right biblical understanding of
those things, not based on popular opinion or a cultural
narrative, but based on God's word and nature and truth.
Yeah, I really love the way you put that, Brian.
You say, you know, the popular Christians, the prominent
Christians, but giving bad answers, like that's really
confusing to believers, right? Because we hear these people
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that we have respected for yearsand we expect them by default
almost to be biblically sound. They've they've earned a certain
audience. They've they've earned our
trust. And then you have these cultural
shifts that you find these people are not able to weather
it. Like you think that they are
going to give the biblically sound, unapologetic answer.
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But really it's like it. They are apologizing, right?
Like they're saying, oh, I'm sorry, we've been wrong.
We've been narrow minded. We've been, you know, all of
these things that the culture says you've got to confess this
and that's your hall pass. That's how you get to freely
move about the country once you start confessing all of your
sins. Can you talk a little bit about
some of the the core principles of critical race theory?
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Yeah. Well, I love what you said there
about Hall Pass, and that is that's a very apt description
because that's what it is. Our culture says if you'll go
along and get along with us, we will leave you alone.
We won't litigate you to death in court like poor Jack Phillips
over in Colorado. Just if you'll go along, we'll
give you a hall pass. You can have commerce, you can
be engaged in cultural society. We won't cancel you.
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And it's a form of control. It's a soft totalitarianism is
what it is. And that's what we see in our
culture in different ways. But yeah, yeah.
So critical race theories you all known, it's rooted in
Marxism. It's a neo Marxist ideology.
And basically it kind of has that same framework of Marx
Marxism, which was the oppressors versus the oppressed.
And that's the cultural landscape.
And it says our entire society is made-up of that landscape.
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Either you're an oppressor or the oppressed.
And what makes CRT the more of aneo Marxist ideology is that
it's not just between groups. But they will suggest they'll
actually directly teach. And it's their entire world view
that the whole of society is systemically oppressive.
That the oppressors have rigged the game of society to always
benefit them. Therefore the oppressors always
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win. And the oppression is not just
between people groups, but in the entire society.
It's in the entire system. It's baked in.
Therefore the oppressed have no chance whatsoever.
And so within this, within this realm of thinking, the neo
Marxist will say the only answerthen is to tear down a
systemically oppressive society and to rebuild it so it's not
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systemically oppressive. You need a new society, a new
framework. You need to build back better if
you will. You might say build back Marxist
if you will, because that's whatneo Marxism wants to do, lead to
a new neo Marxist utopia that never occurs.
By the way, there is something interesting as I've been doing
research on this, on Marxism andsocialism and so forth.
Or they there's something they are effective at and that is
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tearing down. They tear down wonderfully.
Look for look at any place wheresocialism, communism or Marxism
has taken hold and it will tear down society.
The problem is it never builds back up.
It's got nothing to build with. All it's good at is tearing down
and destroying. And So what you end up with
typically in in Marxist or communist or socialist societies
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is a society. It's been utterly devastated
with a whole populist left in ruins, usually in some sort of
poverty with an elite group who are doing really well, but the
other 99% are doing horribly. That's what it usually ends up
as because it's a non biblical worldview therefore has a faulty
foundation, therefore can never actually be effective.
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And that's what most Christians don't understand.
They've bought the lie that CRT is a helpful analytical.
Tool. Come on.
When it's not, it's a worldview.It's a worldview rooted in
Marxism that views Christianity as part of the problem, if not
the biggest part of the oppressive problem in our
culture. And so it's an entire worldview
that undermines biblical authority, biblical
anthropology, and even the gospel itself.
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And so that's why we care so much.
That's why I care so much. And that's why we want to give
an answer in in, in right standing regards to God's Word.
Yeah, I know it's so good. Like, and and when you think
about it, you talk about, you know, the haves versus the have
nots. And one of the things that I
observed even at the height of sort of like watching critical
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race theory be pervade, you know, through every facet of our
society is that it was making the haves right?
Like they they were profiting off of the division, off of
finding issues where there were not issues even.
And this is where I want to focus just for a few minutes,
Brian, within the church, like the the place that you would
think we are insulated from the world's philosophies.
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We are insulated against the world's ideologies because we
have the eternal word of God. And yet you found a lot of
people unsure that it that they could even trust the Bible.
Like how, how do we how do we move beyond that?
Like to say, Hey, wait a minute,you are questioning the
authority of God's word when youtake this position.
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OK, I need I'm going to ask you to do me a favor, bring me back
if I go too far down this rabbittrail.
All right, because that that I'mgetting to your answer.
I really am. But I want to take a few steps
back and kind of come back to what we focus on often as a
ministry here Answers in Genesis, which is biblical
authority in regards to origins.And Mickey, if you look and and
this is what we're trying to address even the social issues
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because we want to go back to God's word.
If you look in the history of the church in the last couple
100 years, you've seen a compromise on God's word in
regards to origins. When millions of years became
popular in the late 1700s, many Christians wrongly said, Oh well
the earth is millions of years old.
Science has proven it, not realizing science had not proven
it at all. It's just a wrong interpretation
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based on wrong assumptions. But they believe that so many
Christian leaders thought, hey, we got to squeeze millions of
years into the Bible and then begin to do something called ice
of Jesus, which is to take an idea that's not actually native
to God's Word. But then you try to squeeze it
into God's Word to make it say that idea because you think it
should say that idea, right? So many Christians, I mean
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prominent Christian theologians back in the 1800s, began to
reinterpret Genesis. The text is also clear.
These are regular days roughly 6000 years ago and spoken about
God's Word. He made it supernaturally.
The text is explicit all the waythrough God's Word, a
supernatural creation not that long ago.
So, but because of man's ideas, these theologians began to
reinterpret God's clear word to try to make it fit with man's
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ideas. Then you get stuff like the gap
theory and day age theory and progressive creation, theistic
evolution for Darwin comes on the scene.
And then when Darwin does come on the scene in the mid 1800s,
late 1800s, Christians begin to reinterpret humanity, our
origin, where we come from. And my point is simply this, we
often deal with that compromise because Christians, probably
very well meaning many years ago, thought something was
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proven outside of God's word andsaid we got to take this idea
and reinterpret God's word with this idea.
You can see where this goes. Yes.
Perfect. Same thing with Critical Race
Theory, which is, by the way, while so passionate about it
when it came on the scene because I was like, I know, I
know this game. I've seen it before.
I've seen it before. I know this playbook.
It's the exact same thing. It's where there's an idea in
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our culture that seems very popular that maybe pulls on the
heartstrings in some way. We think some think it must be
true in some way. Therefore, we gotta make this
idea comport and fit into God's Word.
We've got to reinterpret God's Word to fit this idea.
Now, I don't know people's heart.
I really don't, and I'm not trying to know it.
But we do know that as people wegot an issue with fearing
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people. We have an issue of fearing man.
And I think often times for someChristians, I think if I can
just buy into these ideas, I will seem more reputable to
people around us. Maybe this society will accept
me. Maybe I can get into those
different speaking engagements. If I'm a prominent Christian
leader, maybe I'll be more tolerated in our culture.
Maybe I'll have a bigger platform, have a bigger audience
as a result. I don't know their heart.
The fear is it seems like for many they want to conform to
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some level because they have a fear of man issue.
Maybe I don't know their heart, but either way, no matter what
the issue is, it's compromising God's word with a secular idea.
We don't do that. We stand on God's word and when
we do make you got answers. We got answers about race,
origins, age of the earth, justice.
We have right good. We have the only answers which
are rooted in God's Word, Amen. People don't realize that and
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they compromise God's Word in different areas under my
biblical authority, and you get catastrophic consequences.
I mean, I want to grab a break really quickly and then on the
other side of this break, I kindof want to stay where we are and
draw an additional parallel and kind of get your take on it.
So we'll take a quick break and we'll be right back.
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That's ctcmath.com. OK, Brian, before we went to
break, you were drawing a beautiful parallel between the
compromise of Scripture even on the age of the earth and what we
see happening with critical racetheory.
And I want to I, I, I want to pick your brain on an
observation that occurred to me as you were speaking.
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Both of these attacks on the authority of scripture, looking
from the scientific perspective and then the ideological
perspective, they both deal withacademics, right?
So there are people who believe that they are smarter than God
and they see Christianity as backwoods, antiquated, sort of.
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We don't have a need for a biblical explanation of the age
of the earth because, well, now we have quote UN quote, we have
science as if science is in opposition to God's word, right?
But you see the same thing with critical race theory.
You've got a group of academics who all present themselves as
we're smarter than you. Therefore be quiet, right?
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But there's something interesting that I see
happening, and I want to get your take on it.
I think there's a bit of an identity crisis that exists
among believers that we don't trust the Lord.
We don't know who we are in him.We don't trust what he has
revealed to us, even about his character, about his nature.
And so we're conflicted. We think, well, maybe they're
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right. And so then we do come up with
these ideas where we can, you know, marry these ideas so that
we appear to be smarter because we don't believe that what we
actually say we believe is at a basic level smart.
We think, ah, that does seem a little bit like we believe in
like a real literal worldwide flood.
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Do we really have to say that? Can't we localize it and be
smarter? You know, can you address that a
little bit? Yeah, no, I think you're exactly
right. And you see this come about
multiple ways. And really, that's funny.
The last chapter in my book is entitled The Sufficiency of
God's Word. Fear not, God's Word is forever
sufficient because at its core what when Christians compromise
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on this issue, what they're basically saying is that God's
word is not enough right one. So Christians try to try to
import critical race theory intoChristianity, into the church.
They're saying God's word is notenough to explain who we are,
our identity, what our problem is, what the solution is.
God's word is not enough to dealwith the injustices of the past.
God's word is not enough to define just as but for now in
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reality, God's word is not enough, etcetera, etcetera.
Second, with the age of earth issue and the the origins
issues, God's word is not enoughto explain where we came from to
give us the details. It's so funny people often say
about the origins issue, but God's word tells us you know why
God created but not how. Actually, no, it's very explicit
about the how. It's kind of unclear about the
why we consume for God's glory, but it's really clear He created
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by power of his word. The text is really clear, but
like you said, I think for many Christians, they are not
convinced that God's word is enough.
Now, I don't know why that is. I think it comes about different
areas where we're compromising God's word.
Maybe it's our fear of man issue.
Maybe it's our just sin nature where we want to depend on
something other than God, maybe ourselves.
Because Miki, ultimately here's the deal.
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When we agree with the secularist and say, OK, God's
word is not enough, we need outside help, But who do you go
to? You're going to man's ideas.
So you're looking at man's ideasas your source of authority.
So man's word becomes your ultimate authority instead of
God's word. OK, that's a huge problem, but
then note what you do if you reject God's word and you say
man's word is the authority, then you do this.
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Then you say I'm going to look at man's ideas.
I will pick the ideas I think are the best ones.
Look what just happened. You became your own authority.
You became as your own God. It's not just now you're saying
man's word is the authority. You're saying your word is the
ultimate authority because you can sift out the ideas and
determine truth for yourself apart from God and His Word.
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And so ultimately that is the core issue where we are
rebelling. It's God's authority.
And ultimately we're saying, no,I can determine truth apart from
God, which is a lie as old as Genesis chapter 3, that you can
be your own God. There's nothing new.
And So what we got to realize is1 the we should not be
surprised. I tell people all the time and
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tell myself we should not be surprised that the secular world
gets such wrong conclusions about so many things.
The age of the earth, rock layers, dinosaurs, global flood,
morality, sexuality, gender justice.
Of course they're so wrong. They're built on the wrong
foundation. They've rejected God's word from
the start. They've built their thinking on
the faulty foundation. That's why their conclusions are
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so wrong. It should not surprise us.
But what is absolutely catastrophic is when Christians
reject God's Word and try to import man's ideas into God's
Word and reject that biblical authority as their foundation.
That leads to horrific results in compromise in the church and
Christianity as a whole. Within our culture.
That is absolutely catastrophic.So we don't do that.
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We reject man's word as the authority.
We start with God's Word and then again, and what we do, we
get answers, can defend the faith and engage the culture
effectively. Amen.
And, you know, I look at the equipping of believers with the
word of God and, and trusting God's word.
Like, you know, there's I heard an illustration some years ago
in the law enforcement area where if you put on your
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bulletproof vest, when you go out and, and there's a bullet
coming for you, you've got to trust that that vest is going to
do what it has promised to do, what is what it has asserted
itself to do. And I think about like the word
of God, that when we say we've put our hope and our complete
trust in what the word of God espouses, if it's wrong on any
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one point, then it's wrong and and you can't trust it.
So if the Word of God is not sufficient to handle, you know,
keeping with the metaphor, the bullets of critical race theory,
right, then how can we expect that we should be able to trust
that when we die, we have an eternity with the Lord because
of his sacrifice and, and because we put our belief and
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our hope and our trust in that. And I think so many people don't
see those things as collectivelybeing compromised when we move
away from the authority of God'sword.
I think we have compartmentalized our engagement
and we say, well, you know, I believe the Lord that what is
written that he will save my soul.
But you know, these issues wherepeople are mad at me and, and
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they say that I'm a racist. I don't know that the Bible
sufficient for that. So it's like this
compartmentalization that you run into.
Absolutely. And I think right along with
that is, and I think we have this inclination as just human
beings, we want to be liked. Yes.
We want to be viewed as good people as especially in our
culture day, like the thing Voddie Baucom is famous for
saying the 11th commandment of Christianity Today is be nice
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and we don't believe the other 10, right?
It's not about being nice and want to be nice, want to be
liked. And I, I get the inclination for
that. And we feel like if we stand on
God's word that we won't be liked and we won't be nice.
But make it. You can't out love God.
You can't out nice God. You can't do it.
God's truth is the ultimate kindness.
It brings clarity and revelation.
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It points people to what leads to actual human flourishing.
And so yes, maybe our culture will not like what we say.
And because truth does sound like hate to those who hate
truth. I get that.
All right, we understand that. So we won't be liked, most
likely, but we're not called to be liked.
We're called to be faithful to God and do what is truly loving.
And Miki, what's loving? Biblical love is doing something
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for the benefit of another, often at cost to self.
That's biblical love. And so, yes, it may cost us
something to share biblical truths about justice, about
sexuality, about gender, about origins.
It may cost us something. It may cost us some social
capital. Yes, it may, but we are called
to give up things. We're called to be loving, to be
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willing to sacrifice for the benefit of another.
And the most loving thing we cando is to point people to truth
or it's about justice or gender or whatever, point them to the
truth. That is the most loving thing we
can do. And trust God results.
We trust the bulletproof vest ofGod's word.
We put it all. We trust He'll do what he says
he's going to do that he will protect us and he'll use it for
his glory. And it would be for our good
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both for now and for eternity. And we can trust God's word
about it everything. And that's really what what our
ministry is all about, that God's word is sufficient.
That is the authority on every single issue.
It's right about history, it's right about morality, it's right
about justice. It's right about salvation found
in Christ alone. You can trust all of the Bible
because all of God's word put your faith in hell.
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That's our passion. And as Christians, if we do
that, if we'll stand on that foundation, then we can
effectively proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ our culture
so desperately needs. Amen, Amen.
You know, I, I was thinking about how when it comes to the
word of God and this, this mistaken or the, the empathy
that is misdirected or even misunderstood, right, Because
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God does call us to empathy and he does call us to compassion.
But I would say that those are two different things and they
both have a context in which they operate, right?
So compassion, you look at Jesusmove with compassion and he
taught people, right? So that means he told them the
truth, OK, He moved with compassion, told them the truth.
And then you look at Romans chapter 12, where it's all about
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this newness of life that we have entered into, that we now
have a new community in which weexist.
And in that context, Romans chapter 12, then we hear, you
know, weep with those who weep more and with those who more
rejoice. Well, the understanding is that
if you're in the context of the body of Christ, that means that
we're going to be sad over the things that we should be sad
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over. So we're going to be able to
biblically lament with people because there should be
lamentation in there. But I think where our culture,
even in the Christian culture, Ithink where we get it wrong is
that we want to empathize outside of the Romans 12
context, where it's not that we all agree.
So now I'm supposed to lament with you because you believe you
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were born in the wrong body. I can't, I, I can't lament with
you over that because that is a lie.
And I think when Christians start to understand that empathy
and compassion both have a context, then we will operate
with less guilt. Oh, absolutely.
And there's a really good book that came out recently by Ali
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Bastaki called Toxic Empathy. And I just finished it the other
day and basically it does a really good job of showing what
you're just what you're describing right now.
And that is Ultra wants you to have empathy about things that
are lies from the enemy. And so and they'll tell stories
in our culture. So you can pick the topic,
whether it's about justice, whether it's about sexuality,
whether it's about immigration, whatever the topic may be.
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And they'll tell a story, a truestory from someone who has
suffered on, on the unbiblical side of this issue.
So they've embraced, you know, the secular narrative about
their sexuality. They're trying to redefine that.
And then they'll not be acceptedin their culture.
We got a sad story and they'll tell the sad story.
You see it on the news all the time.
And I want you to feel sad for that person, to feel empathy
towards them and make you, we dofeel empathy towards their
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brokenness and sin. Yes.
Which we are scare. We definitely feel empathy
there, right? But not in the lie that their
broken sexuality is normative. We don't share everything in
that, but we want to call them to repentance.
When Jesus, when he when he ate with sinners, he didn't condone
their sin. He called them to repent.
And people get that confused allthe time.
Yes, he engaged the non believer.
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Yes, he ate with sinners, but hecalled them to repent of their
sin and put their faith in him. And so we're going to love
people. We are to engage them.
Yes, we do have empathy about their broken plight in sin, who
we're calling them to repent of that sin, which is where they'll
find truth and happiness and reconciliation and identity.
They'll find true fulfillment and hopefully human flourishing
and God, God's word, and that biblical path.
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And so we do that out of love. But yeah, I think you're so
right. We are being duped into buying
into really bad ideas because we're told sad stories about
people, which, by the way, you can look on the other side of
those issues to find a sad storyon the other side as well, you
know? All right, so you find sad
stories on both sides. So where do you find truth in
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God's Word, in His nature? We stand rooted there and we
show love towards all rooted from that biblical perspective.
Yeah. You know, I'm comforted by the
reliability of Scripture. I know for some people that may
sound like, oh, it's rigid. We need, we need to be able to,
you know, go back to the original Greek and find that
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what we have is wrong. Like, no, if we go back to the
original Greek, we're going to find that it confers what we're
reading in English, Right. So, So what I am comforted by is
that when I sit down to God's Word and maybe there's a
cultural issue, right, which is where we, we tend to do
business, you know, looking at the cultural issues that
challenge God's word. I'm comforted that man, I don't,
I don't find a cultural issue that stumps God's word.
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I just don't. And I think people who would
believe, be tempted to believe that God's word can be stumped.
They have not tried. They have, they have not put
God's word, if you will, to the test where you say I am going to
apply a biblical worldview to each of these issues.
We do this in our home. We do this with our kids.
And, and one of the things that our kids are growing up and
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saying to us now they, you know,they lovingly mock us because we
have like as a parent, you have zingers, you have your one
liners, OK, right. You have them, Brian, You have
them, OK. That's right.
That's. Right.
So our kids routinely mock us because when they ask us a
question about something that's happening in culture, our
question is what? What does God's word say?
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What does God's word say? I've, I've even had and I know
what, I know what this particular kid of mine means,
but you know, he'll say, OK, I, I know you're going to say what
does God's word say? But I just, I'm wondering what,
what your opinion is on this. And my response is, you know,
coming to Christ, I don't get tohave an opinion.
I've given up my opinion in exchange for truth.
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And So what I want to do is I want to know what God's Word
says. That's going to, that's my
opinion. That's I'm, I'm going to echo
what God has said. And I think when we approach
God's Word with that kind of confidence, we will apply it
readily. Absolutely.
And it's well said and it's so true.
And you know, I'll add one of the angle to this as well.
We are when we're drawing from God in His word for our opinion.
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We can tell our kids, hey listen, I know next to nothing
compared to God. Amen.
Oh, that's good. God knows everything all the
time and he's everywhere presentand he's perfect.
He can never mess up. So I'm going to trust what he
says, even over my own thoughts and my own opinions.
And yes, I, you know, we've had different conversations.
My kids are 7:00 and 11:00, so we have different conversations
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right now. But I can still tell them a time
takes. Sometimes I can feel things
wrongly, I can have wrong emotions sometimes because I'm
broken by sin, I can think wrongthings because I'm not perfect.
I'm still broken by sin. So I, where do I go?
I go to God's word to correct mythinking, to correct my
feelings, to get him in line with what is true because he
knows perfectly he's the ultimate authority.
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He's God. And that reverence for God and
for his word is such an important thing to have in our
own lives and to pass on to our kids.
And so I love what you're doing.And, and I think it is so
important that we as Christians really push that, help our kids
understand that. And I think part of the problem
is honestly, there's been that lack of respect for God's word.
As you said, we've, we have put,we have different categories, we
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believe parts and not others. We basically, we actually treat
God's word like a buffet. You know, I'll take parts of it.
I'll, I'll take, you know, John 316, I'll take this over here,
but I won't take Leviticus 18 orGenesis 1 to 11 or etcetera,
etcetera. You know, we don't have the
right, it's either all authoritative and true or none
of it is. And we got treated with that due
respect. Yeah, we, we want to be blessed
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in the city and blessed in the field.
We want to be blessed when we come and when we go.
But there are those, those the, the hard truths of Scripture,
you know, John, chapter 6, that it's the, the hard truths that
cause many disciples to turn away.
They, they were following, but then suddenly they turn away.
So anyway, Brian, we got to continue this conversation
because we haven't even like solved the world's problems yet.
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Like we're only scratching the surface.
Where can where can our listeners get a copy of Woke
Injustice? So they can go to
answersingenesis.org. Hey, yeah, look, I got one too.
Nice. There we go, There we go.
Theanswersingenesis.org, that's our website.
They can go to Amazon and find it there.
Master Books, New Leaf, it's there as well and probably many
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other places as well. And, and to me, I'll encourage
people, you know, with the book,it's not Brian Osborne's
thoughts. Again, as I just told you, I, I
know next to nothing compared toGod.
It's simply saying, I really just kind of breakdown.
This is what CRT teaches. I quote their own auth.
I quote their own people, I quote their own authorities.
It's not just me. I'm not, it's not a not a straw
man argument. This is what they say.
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And then this is how it compareswith the Bible.
And they are diametrically opposed to each other.
And so we stand on God's word. And I think, you know, making
for a lot of believers, they've just been duped because they
don't realize that one of the critical race theorists, the neo
Marxist, when they use words like justice and they use words
diversity, equity, inclusion, they don't mean what we mean by
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those words. They have a different dictionary
for the words. And so same words with different
meaning. Christians have been duped into
buying into really bad ideas because they're like, oh, I
like, I like justice. Yes, Christians, we're all about
justice and yes, we are. But biblical justice rooted in
God's nature and his truth, Critical race theory theorists
do not have that. And so really just showing
people, OK, this is what they teach their own words.
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This is why it's not biblical. God's word is sufficient.
So. You're setting us up perfectly.
Next week we're going to talk about defining our terms and how
we understand that though we maybe using the same words, we are
not speaking the same language. So that is it.
That is a great setup for next week.
I want to say thank you so much for listening to this podcast
episode of the Schoolhouse Rock Podcast.
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If you'd like to check out my own podcast, it's the Culture
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exalting the sufficiency of God's word to respond in every
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because Bryan Osborne is coming back and we're going to continue
our conversation where we correct a bunch of people.
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All right, my guest, our guest today is Brian Osborne.
And I, I feel like, Brian, this is kind of like we're just
hanging out on a regular basis here, right?
Hey. That sounds all right with me
and it does feel that way, but feels good.
It's good to hang out and chat again and doesn't feel like it's
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been that long, but it's been a little bit.
It's been a little bit, you know, and our culture is not
slowing down. I'm, I'm grateful for the work
that you guys do over at Answersand Genesis, kind of responding
to the cultural questions of ourday.
Whenever there is an issue that rivals biblical authority, we've
got to respond and you guys are experts in your field at that.
I want to talk about the book that you've written, Woke and
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Justice, a biblical response to critical race theory.
This is one of those topics thatI think people, it's kind of
gotten to the level of buzzinessand so people have heard it, but
they don't understand how insidious it is and that it's
not slowing down just because more people are talking about
it. Why was it so important for you
to write a response to Critical Race Theory?
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Yeah. You know, initially, many years
ago when this really kind of hitthe forefront of our cultural
landscape and sent three or fouryears ago, I felt this burden to
give a response biblically, helpChristians have a biblical
response to this issue because Ihad to, I first had to find out
for myself. So when this was really, you
know, becoming more popular, youhear the buzzwords kind of
flying around a lot more. I didn't know the answers.
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I didn't know what they were talking about.
I had to figure out what was going on for myself, my own
family. So I did the research and of
course, as you mentioned, our ministry is all about
understanding those issues, diving in and using God's Word
as our standard. That's our starting point,
that's our framework and understand all issues from that
particular understanding. So I was doing that, I found
some really good resources to help me kind of guide me on my
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path, have a biblical understanding of this issue.
And then as I became aware of it, as you just said, I realized
how insidious, how malicious, how anti biblical this ideology
really is and how deeply rooted it is in our culture in
different ways people are not aware of because I wasn't aware
of it. And So what we're seeing now for
the last few years has been the fruit of this neo Marxist
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ideology. But it's been around for a very
long time. The root is very deep and so
because of that I felt AI need to get the message out there.
Created a presentation on a biblical response to critical
race theory and then was given that for quite a few years and
then after a while I thought maybe I could make it into a
book a few years later and I didcalled Woke Injustice.
So really Woke injustice is my talk just expanded more in depth
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and give me more details in thatbook.
And so to give a Christian a biblical response to all these
ideas. So for me it was that personal
journey to begin with and there are other personal motivations
as well. It wasn't just about a biblical
response, but understanding how to equip my kids, my family,
those under my care, to have a biblical understanding of who
they are, what is their true identity, which is found in
Christ, ultimately alone. And so really pointing them to
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that. So giving my family that, given
those in our churches that biblical foundation, and sharing
that with a larger Christian audience, that was my hope in
all this. Yeah, I do appreciate that there
is there's a need for us to always have a biblical response
and to have a righteous indignation over sin.
The things that we see that are ripe in our culture.
There is, though, the the real opportunity that I think the
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Lord uses in our personal experiences, like when we
encounter these conversations orsomeone and says something to us
and it's like, wait, where is that coming from?
We don't even know the ideology that's fueling it, but we just
start to see the fruit of it, right?
Like it has a root. I'm curious to know what were
some of your personal experiences?
Was it just maybe people coming through AIG or maybe public
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posts of questions, or did you have personal encounters that
left you kind of scratching yourhead about this?
It was much more for me. I think the cultural landscape,
when you have George Floyd and different issues taking place
years back, that really kind of brought fruit to bear in our
culture. And then to me it was all the
Christian responses to the secular voices.
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Now, in many cases, some very prominent Christian voices were
conceding or compromising God's word to go along with a cultural
narrative really rooted in a false empathy quite often.
And so they'll take that and kind of pull on the heartstring
to say you should think this wayor you should say this if you
have any empathy at all, any true love at all.
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And they'll be rearranging, redefining truth and justice to
do that. Whereas of course I want to have
empathy and love, no doubt, but empathy and love are rooted in
God's truth. Amen you.
Can't separate those things fromGod's truth.
And so we have empathy and love from a biblical worldview rooted
in who God is, His nature, and His word.
We can't separate those two things.
And so for me, it was really theresponse of many Christians who
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I respected, but they were giving very non biblical answers
to some of the most prevalent issues of our age, especially
years ago, but still today. And so it was that a really that
was front center in my thinking.Of course, as a ministry, we
deal with that up quite often where Christians are giving
answers, prominent Christians giving bad answers in some
cases. And so we want to give our
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larger Christian audience a right biblical understanding of
those things, not based on popular opinion or a cultural
narrative, but based on God's word and nature and truth.
Yeah, I really love the way you put that, Brian.
You say, you know, the popular Christians, the prominent
Christians, but giving bad answers, like that's really
confusing to believers, right? Because we hear these people
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that we have respected for yearsand we expect them by default
almost to be biblically sound. They've they've earned a certain
audience. They've they've earned our
trust. And then you have these cultural
shifts that you find these people are not able to weather
it. Like you think that they are
going to give the biblically sound, unapologetic answer.
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But really it's like it. They are apologizing, right?
Like they're saying, oh, I'm sorry, we've been wrong.
We've been narrow minded. We've been, you know, all of
these things that the culture says you've got to confess this
and that's your hall pass. That's how you get to freely
move about the country once you start confessing all of your
sins. Can you talk a little bit about
some of the the core principles of critical race theory?
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Yeah. Well, I love what you said there
about Hall Pass, and that is that's a very apt description
because that's what it is. Our culture says if you'll go
along and get along with us, we will leave you alone.
We won't litigate you to death in court like poor Jack Phillips
over in Colorado. Just if you'll go along, we'll
give you a hall pass. You can have commerce, you can
be engaged in cultural society. We won't cancel you.
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And it's a form of control. It's a soft totalitarianism is
what it is. And that's what we see in our
culture in different ways. But yeah, yeah.
So critical race theories you all known, it's rooted in
Marxism. It's a neo Marxist ideology.
And basically it kind of has that same framework of Marx
Marxism, which was the oppressors versus the oppressed.
And that's the cultural landscape.
And it says our entire society is made-up of that landscape.
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Either you're an oppressor or the oppressed.
And what makes CRT the more of aneo Marxist ideology is that
it's not just between groups. But they will suggest they'll
actually directly teach. And it's their entire world view
that the whole of society is systemically oppressive.
That the oppressors have rigged the game of society to always
benefit them. Therefore the oppressors always
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win. And the oppression is not just
between people groups, but in the entire society.
It's in the entire system. It's baked in.
Therefore the oppressed have no chance whatsoever.
And so within this, within this realm of thinking, the neo
Marxist will say the only answerthen is to tear down a
systemically oppressive society and to rebuild it so it's not
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systemically oppressive. You need a new society, a new
framework. You need to build back better if
you will. You might say build back Marxist
if you will, because that's whatneo Marxism wants to do, lead to
a new neo Marxist utopia that never occurs.
By the way, there is something interesting as I've been doing
research on this, on Marxism andsocialism and so forth.
Or they there's something they are effective at and that is
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tearing down. They tear down wonderfully.
Look for look at any place wheresocialism, communism or Marxism
has taken hold and it will tear down society.
The problem is it never builds back up.
It's got nothing to build with. All it's good at is tearing down
and destroying. And So what you end up with
typically in in Marxist or communist or socialist societies
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is a society. It's been utterly devastated
with a whole populist left in ruins, usually in some sort of
poverty with an elite group who are doing really well, but the
other 99% are doing horribly. That's what it usually ends up
as because it's a non biblical worldview therefore has a faulty
foundation, therefore can never actually be effective.
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And that's what most Christians don't understand.
They've bought the lie that CRT is a helpful analytical.
Tool. Come on.
When it's not, it's a worldview.It's a worldview rooted in
Marxism that views Christianity as part of the problem, if not
the biggest part of the oppressive problem in our
culture. And so it's an entire worldview
that undermines biblical authority, biblical
anthropology, and even the gospel itself.
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And so that's why we care so much.
That's why I care so much. And that's why we want to give
an answer in in, in right standing regards to God's Word.
Yeah, I know it's so good. Like, and and when you think
about it, you talk about, you know, the haves versus the have
nots. And one of the things that I
observed even at the height of sort of like watching critical
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race theory be pervade, you know, through every facet of our
society is that it was making the haves right?
Like they they were profiting off of the division, off of
finding issues where there were not issues even.
And this is where I want to focus just for a few minutes,
Brian, within the church, like the the place that you would
think we are insulated from the world's philosophies.
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We are insulated against the world's ideologies because we
have the eternal word of God. And yet you found a lot of
people unsure that it that they could even trust the Bible.
Like how, how do we how do we move beyond that?
Like to say, Hey, wait a minute,you are questioning the
authority of God's word when youtake this position.
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OK, I need I'm going to ask you to do me a favor, bring me back
if I go too far down this rabbittrail.
All right, because that that I'mgetting to your answer.
I really am. But I want to take a few steps
back and kind of come back to what we focus on often as a
ministry here Answers in Genesis, which is biblical
authority in regards to origins.And Mickey, if you look and and
this is what we're trying to address even the social issues
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because we want to go back to God's word.
If you look in the history of the church in the last couple
100 years, you've seen a compromise on God's word in
regards to origins. When millions of years became
popular in the late 1700s, many Christians wrongly said, Oh well
the earth is millions of years old.
Science has proven it, not realizing science had not proven
it at all. It's just a wrong interpretation
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based on wrong assumptions. But they believe that so many
Christian leaders thought, hey, we got to squeeze millions of
years into the Bible and then begin to do something called ice
of Jesus, which is to take an idea that's not actually native
to God's Word. But then you try to squeeze it
into God's Word to make it say that idea because you think it
should say that idea, right? So many Christians, I mean
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prominent Christian theologians back in the 1800s, began to
reinterpret Genesis. The text is also clear.
These are regular days roughly 6000 years ago and spoken about
God's Word. He made it supernaturally.
The text is explicit all the waythrough God's Word, a
supernatural creation not that long ago.
So, but because of man's ideas, these theologians began to
reinterpret God's clear word to try to make it fit with man's
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ideas. Then you get stuff like the gap
theory and day age theory and progressive creation, theistic
evolution for Darwin comes on the scene.
And then when Darwin does come on the scene in the mid 1800s,
late 1800s, Christians begin to reinterpret humanity, our
origin, where we come from. And my point is simply this, we
often deal with that compromise because Christians, probably
very well meaning many years ago, thought something was
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proven outside of God's word andsaid we got to take this idea
and reinterpret God's word with this idea.
You can see where this goes. Yes.
Perfect. Same thing with Critical Race
Theory, which is, by the way, while so passionate about it
when it came on the scene because I was like, I know, I
know this game. I've seen it before.
I've seen it before. I know this playbook.
It's the exact same thing. It's where there's an idea in
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our culture that seems very popular that maybe pulls on the
heartstrings in some way. We think some think it must be
true in some way. Therefore, we gotta make this
idea comport and fit into God's Word.
We've got to reinterpret God's Word to fit this idea.
Now, I don't know people's heart.
I really don't, and I'm not trying to know it.
But we do know that as people wegot an issue with fearing
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people. We have an issue of fearing man.
And I think often times for someChristians, I think if I can
just buy into these ideas, I will seem more reputable to
people around us. Maybe this society will accept
me. Maybe I can get into those
different speaking engagements. If I'm a prominent Christian
leader, maybe I'll be more tolerated in our culture.
Maybe I'll have a bigger platform, have a bigger audience
as a result. I don't know their heart.
The fear is it seems like for many they want to conform to
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some level because they have a fear of man issue.
Maybe I don't know their heart, but either way, no matter what
the issue is, it's compromising God's word with a secular idea.
We don't do that. We stand on God's word and when
we do make you got answers. We got answers about race,
origins, age of the earth, justice.
We have right good. We have the only answers which
are rooted in God's Word, Amen. People don't realize that and
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they compromise God's Word in different areas under my
biblical authority, and you get catastrophic consequences.
I mean, I want to grab a break really quickly and then on the
other side of this break, I kindof want to stay where we are and
draw an additional parallel and kind of get your take on it.
So we'll take a quick break and we'll be right back.
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That's ctcmath.com. OK, Brian, before we went to
break, you were drawing a beautiful parallel between the
compromise of Scripture even on the age of the earth and what we
see happening with critical racetheory.
And I want to I, I, I want to pick your brain on an
observation that occurred to me as you were speaking.
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Both of these attacks on the authority of scripture, looking
from the scientific perspective and then the ideological
perspective, they both deal withacademics, right?
So there are people who believe that they are smarter than God
and they see Christianity as backwoods, antiquated, sort of.
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We don't have a need for a biblical explanation of the age
of the earth because, well, now we have quote UN quote, we have
science as if science is in opposition to God's word, right?
But you see the same thing with critical race theory.
You've got a group of academics who all present themselves as
we're smarter than you. Therefore be quiet, right?
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But there's something interesting that I see
happening, and I want to get your take on it.
I think there's a bit of an identity crisis that exists
among believers that we don't trust the Lord.
We don't know who we are in him.We don't trust what he has
revealed to us, even about his character, about his nature.
And so we're conflicted. We think, well, maybe they're
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right. And so then we do come up with
these ideas where we can, you know, marry these ideas so that
we appear to be smarter because we don't believe that what we
actually say we believe is at a basic level smart.
We think, ah, that does seem a little bit like we believe in
like a real literal worldwide flood.
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Do we really have to say that? Can't we localize it and be
smarter? You know, can you address that a
little bit? Yeah, no, I think you're exactly
right. And you see this come about
multiple ways. And really, that's funny.
The last chapter in my book is entitled The Sufficiency of
God's Word. Fear not, God's Word is forever
sufficient because at its core what when Christians compromise
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on this issue, what they're basically saying is that God's
word is not enough right one. So Christians try to try to
import critical race theory intoChristianity, into the church.
They're saying God's word is notenough to explain who we are,
our identity, what our problem is, what the solution is.
God's word is not enough to dealwith the injustices of the past.
God's word is not enough to define just as but for now in
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reality, God's word is not enough, etcetera, etcetera.
Second, with the age of earth issue and the the origins
issues, God's word is not enoughto explain where we came from to
give us the details. It's so funny people often say
about the origins issue, but God's word tells us you know why
God created but not how. Actually, no, it's very explicit
about the how. It's kind of unclear about the
why we consume for God's glory, but it's really clear He created
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by power of his word. The text is really clear, but
like you said, I think for many Christians, they are not
convinced that God's word is enough.
Now, I don't know why that is. I think it comes about different
areas where we're compromising God's word.
Maybe it's our fear of man issue.
Maybe it's our just sin nature where we want to depend on
something other than God, maybe ourselves.
Because Miki, ultimately here's the deal.
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When we agree with the secularist and say, OK, God's
word is not enough, we need outside help, But who do you go
to? You're going to man's ideas.
So you're looking at man's ideasas your source of authority.
So man's word becomes your ultimate authority instead of
God's word. OK, that's a huge problem, but
then note what you do if you reject God's word and you say
man's word is the authority, then you do this.
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Then you say I'm going to look at man's ideas.
I will pick the ideas I think are the best ones.
Look what just happened. You became your own authority.
You became as your own God. It's not just now you're saying
man's word is the authority. You're saying your word is the
ultimate authority because you can sift out the ideas and
determine truth for yourself apart from God and His Word.
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And so ultimately that is the core issue where we are
rebelling. It's God's authority.
And ultimately we're saying, no,I can determine truth apart from
God, which is a lie as old as Genesis chapter 3, that you can
be your own God. There's nothing new.
And So what we got to realize is1 the we should not be
surprised. I tell people all the time and
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tell myself we should not be surprised that the secular world
gets such wrong conclusions about so many things.
The age of the earth, rock layers, dinosaurs, global flood,
morality, sexuality, gender justice.
Of course they're so wrong. They're built on the wrong
foundation. They've rejected God's word from
the start. They've built their thinking on
the faulty foundation. That's why their conclusions are
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so wrong. It should not surprise us.
But what is absolutely catastrophic is when Christians
reject God's Word and try to import man's ideas into God's
Word and reject that biblical authority as their foundation.
That leads to horrific results in compromise in the church and
Christianity as a whole. Within our culture.
That is absolutely catastrophic.So we don't do that.
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We reject man's word as the authority.
We start with God's Word and then again, and what we do, we
get answers, can defend the faith and engage the culture
effectively. Amen.
And, you know, I look at the equipping of believers with the
word of God and, and trusting God's word.
Like, you know, there's I heard an illustration some years ago
in the law enforcement area where if you put on your
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bulletproof vest, when you go out and, and there's a bullet
coming for you, you've got to trust that that vest is going to
do what it has promised to do, what is what it has asserted
itself to do. And I think about like the word
of God, that when we say we've put our hope and our complete
trust in what the word of God espouses, if it's wrong on any
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one point, then it's wrong and and you can't trust it.
So if the Word of God is not sufficient to handle, you know,
keeping with the metaphor, the bullets of critical race theory,
right, then how can we expect that we should be able to trust
that when we die, we have an eternity with the Lord because
of his sacrifice and, and because we put our belief and
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our hope and our trust in that. And I think so many people don't
see those things as collectivelybeing compromised when we move
away from the authority of God'sword.
I think we have compartmentalized our engagement
and we say, well, you know, I believe the Lord that what is
written that he will save my soul.
But you know, these issues wherepeople are mad at me and, and
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they say that I'm a racist. I don't know that the Bible
sufficient for that. So it's like this
compartmentalization that you run into.
Absolutely. And I think right along with
that is, and I think we have this inclination as just human
beings, we want to be liked. Yes.
We want to be viewed as good people as especially in our
culture day, like the thing Voddie Baucom is famous for
saying the 11th commandment of Christianity Today is be nice
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and we don't believe the other 10, right?
It's not about being nice and want to be nice, want to be
liked. And I, I get the inclination for
that. And we feel like if we stand on
God's word that we won't be liked and we won't be nice.
But make it. You can't out love God.
You can't out nice God. You can't do it.
God's truth is the ultimate kindness.
It brings clarity and revelation.
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It points people to what leads to actual human flourishing.
And so yes, maybe our culture will not like what we say.
And because truth does sound like hate to those who hate
truth. I get that.
All right, we understand that. So we won't be liked, most
likely, but we're not called to be liked.
We're called to be faithful to God and do what is truly loving.
And Miki, what's loving? Biblical love is doing something
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for the benefit of another, often at cost to self.
That's biblical love. And so, yes, it may cost us
something to share biblical truths about justice, about
sexuality, about gender, about origins.
It may cost us something. It may cost us some social
capital. Yes, it may, but we are called
to give up things. We're called to be loving, to be
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willing to sacrifice for the benefit of another.
And the most loving thing we cando is to point people to truth
or it's about justice or gender or whatever, point them to the
truth. That is the most loving thing we
can do. And trust God results.
We trust the bulletproof vest ofGod's word.
We put it all. We trust He'll do what he says
he's going to do that he will protect us and he'll use it for
his glory. And it would be for our good
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both for now and for eternity. And we can trust God's word
about it everything. And that's really what what our
ministry is all about, that God's word is sufficient.
That is the authority on every single issue.
It's right about history, it's right about morality, it's right
about justice. It's right about salvation found
in Christ alone. You can trust all of the Bible
because all of God's word put your faith in hell.
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That's our passion. And as Christians, if we do
that, if we'll stand on that foundation, then we can
effectively proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ our culture
so desperately needs. Amen, Amen.
You know, I, I was thinking about how when it comes to the
word of God and this, this mistaken or the, the empathy
that is misdirected or even misunderstood, right, Because
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God does call us to empathy and he does call us to compassion.
But I would say that those are two different things and they
both have a context in which they operate, right?
So compassion, you look at Jesusmove with compassion and he
taught people, right? So that means he told them the
truth, OK, He moved with compassion, told them the truth.
And then you look at Romans chapter 12, where it's all about
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this newness of life that we have entered into, that we now
have a new community in which weexist.
And in that context, Romans chapter 12, then we hear, you
know, weep with those who weep more and with those who more
rejoice. Well, the understanding is that
if you're in the context of the body of Christ, that means that
we're going to be sad over the things that we should be sad
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over. So we're going to be able to
biblically lament with people because there should be
lamentation in there. But I think where our culture,
even in the Christian culture, Ithink where we get it wrong is
that we want to empathize outside of the Romans 12
context, where it's not that we all agree.
So now I'm supposed to lament with you because you believe you
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were born in the wrong body. I can't, I, I can't lament with
you over that because that is a lie.
And I think when Christians start to understand that empathy
and compassion both have a context, then we will operate
with less guilt. Oh, absolutely.
And there's a really good book that came out recently by Ali
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Bastaki called Toxic Empathy. And I just finished it the other
day and basically it does a really good job of showing what
you're just what you're describing right now.
And that is Ultra wants you to have empathy about things that
are lies from the enemy. And so and they'll tell stories
in our culture. So you can pick the topic,
whether it's about justice, whether it's about sexuality,
whether it's about immigration, whatever the topic may be.
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And they'll tell a story, a truestory from someone who has
suffered on, on the unbiblical side of this issue.
So they've embraced, you know, the secular narrative about
their sexuality. They're trying to redefine that.
And then they'll not be acceptedin their culture.
We got a sad story and they'll tell the sad story.
You see it on the news all the time.
And I want you to feel sad for that person, to feel empathy
towards them and make you, we dofeel empathy towards their
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brokenness and sin. Yes.
Which we are scare. We definitely feel empathy
there, right? But not in the lie that their
broken sexuality is normative. We don't share everything in
that, but we want to call them to repentance.
When Jesus, when he when he ate with sinners, he didn't condone
their sin. He called them to repent.
And people get that confused allthe time.
Yes, he engaged the non believer.
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Yes, he ate with sinners, but hecalled them to repent of their
sin and put their faith in him. And so we're going to love
people. We are to engage them.
Yes, we do have empathy about their broken plight in sin, who
we're calling them to repent of that sin, which is where they'll
find truth and happiness and reconciliation and identity.
They'll find true fulfillment and hopefully human flourishing
and God, God's word, and that biblical path.
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And so we do that out of love. But yeah, I think you're so
right. We are being duped into buying
into really bad ideas because we're told sad stories about
people, which, by the way, you can look on the other side of
those issues to find a sad storyon the other side as well, you
know? All right, so you find sad
stories on both sides. So where do you find truth in
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God's Word, in His nature? We stand rooted there and we
show love towards all rooted from that biblical perspective.
Yeah. You know, I'm comforted by the
reliability of Scripture. I know for some people that may
sound like, oh, it's rigid. We need, we need to be able to,
you know, go back to the original Greek and find that
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what we have is wrong. Like, no, if we go back to the
original Greek, we're going to find that it confers what we're
reading in English, Right. So, So what I am comforted by is
that when I sit down to God's Word and maybe there's a
cultural issue, right, which is where we, we tend to do
business, you know, looking at the cultural issues that
challenge God's word. I'm comforted that man, I don't,
I don't find a cultural issue that stumps God's word.
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I just don't. And I think people who would
believe, be tempted to believe that God's word can be stumped.
They have not tried. They have, they have not put
God's word, if you will, to the test where you say I am going to
apply a biblical worldview to each of these issues.
We do this in our home. We do this with our kids.
And, and one of the things that our kids are growing up and
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saying to us now they, you know,they lovingly mock us because we
have like as a parent, you have zingers, you have your one
liners, OK, right. You have them, Brian, You have
them, OK. That's right.
That's. Right.
So our kids routinely mock us because when they ask us a
question about something that's happening in culture, our
question is what? What does God's word say?
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What does God's word say? I've, I've even had and I know
what, I know what this particular kid of mine means,
but you know, he'll say, OK, I, I know you're going to say what
does God's word say? But I just, I'm wondering what,
what your opinion is on this. And my response is, you know,
coming to Christ, I don't get tohave an opinion.
I've given up my opinion in exchange for truth.
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And So what I want to do is I want to know what God's Word
says. That's going to, that's my
opinion. That's I'm, I'm going to echo
what God has said. And I think when we approach
God's Word with that kind of confidence, we will apply it
readily. Absolutely.
And it's well said and it's so true.
And you know, I'll add one of the angle to this as well.
We are when we're drawing from God in His word for our opinion.
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We can tell our kids, hey listen, I know next to nothing
compared to God. Amen.
Oh, that's good. God knows everything all the
time and he's everywhere presentand he's perfect.
He can never mess up. So I'm going to trust what he
says, even over my own thoughts and my own opinions.
And yes, I, you know, we've had different conversations.
My kids are 7:00 and 11:00, so we have different conversations
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right now. But I can still tell them a time
takes. Sometimes I can feel things
wrongly, I can have wrong emotions sometimes because I'm
broken by sin, I can think wrongthings because I'm not perfect.
I'm still broken by sin. So I, where do I go?
I go to God's word to correct mythinking, to correct my
feelings, to get him in line with what is true because he
knows perfectly he's the ultimate authority.
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He's God. And that reverence for God and
for his word is such an important thing to have in our
own lives and to pass on to our kids.
And so I love what you're doing.And, and I think it is so
important that we as Christians really push that, help our kids
understand that. And I think part of the problem
is honestly, there's been that lack of respect for God's word.
As you said, we've, we have put,we have different categories, we
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believe parts and not others. We basically, we actually treat
God's word like a buffet. You know, I'll take parts of it.
I'll, I'll take, you know, John 316, I'll take this over here,
but I won't take Leviticus 18 orGenesis 1 to 11 or etcetera,
etcetera. You know, we don't have the
right, it's either all authoritative and true or none
of it is. And we got treated with that due
respect. Yeah, we, we want to be blessed
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in the city and blessed in the field.
We want to be blessed when we come and when we go.
But there are those, those the, the hard truths of Scripture,
you know, John, chapter 6, that it's the, the hard truths that
cause many disciples to turn away.
They, they were following, but then suddenly they turn away.
So anyway, Brian, we got to continue this conversation
because we haven't even like solved the world's problems yet.
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Like we're only scratching the surface.
Where can where can our listeners get a copy of Woke
Injustice? So they can go to
answersingenesis.org. Hey, yeah, look, I got one too.
Nice. There we go, There we go.
Theanswersingenesis.org, that's our website.
They can go to Amazon and find it there.
Master Books, New Leaf, it's there as well and probably many
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other places as well. And, and to me, I'll encourage
people, you know, with the book,it's not Brian Osborne's
thoughts. Again, as I just told you, I, I
know next to nothing compared toGod.
It's simply saying, I really just kind of breakdown.
This is what CRT teaches. I quote their own auth.
I quote their own people, I quote their own authorities.
It's not just me. I'm not, it's not a not a straw
man argument. This is what they say.
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And then this is how it compareswith the Bible.
And they are diametrically opposed to each other.
And so we stand on God's word. And I think, you know, making
for a lot of believers, they've just been duped because they
don't realize that one of the critical race theorists, the neo
Marxist, when they use words like justice and they use words
diversity, equity, inclusion, they don't mean what we mean by
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those words. They have a different dictionary
for the words. And so same words with different
meaning. Christians have been duped into
buying into really bad ideas because they're like, oh, I
like, I like justice. Yes, Christians, we're all about
justice and yes, we are. But biblical justice rooted in
God's nature and his truth, Critical race theory theorists
do not have that. And so really just showing
people, OK, this is what they teach their own words.
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This is why it's not biblical. God's word is sufficient.
So. You're setting us up perfectly.
Next week we're going to talk about defining our terms and how
we understand that though we maybe using the same words, we are
not speaking the same language. So that is it.
That is a great setup for next week.
I want to say thank you so much for listening to this podcast
episode of the Schoolhouse Rock Podcast.
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It's been my pleasure to be withyou.
If you'd like to check out my own podcast, it's the Culture
Proof Podcast where we deal withissues pertaining to culture and
exalting the sufficiency of God's word to respond in every
circumstance. You can check that out wherever
you get your podcast. Make sure you join us next week
because Bryan Osborne is coming back and we're going to continue
our conversation where we correct a bunch of people.
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No, I'm kidding. I say that.
I say that jokingly, but like, you know, when you're standing
on the truth of God's word, likeif people are getting it wrong,
they're going to get corrected. All right, thank you so much for
joining us. We look, we look forward to
seeing you next week. You're listening to the Biblical
Family Network. Hey, I'm Miki and I'm Will and
we're the Co host of the CultureProof podcast.
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We want to invite you to join usevery week as we discuss what's
happening in the world and then filter those happenings through
a decidedly biblical lens. There are many questions,
especially when we see what's happening in our culture today,
but the answers are found withinthe Word of God, so that's where
we want to look. Amen.
When we resist those cultural trends that rival the truth.
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We remain culture proof. As Christians, we're called to
do God's will God's way. We're not called to be snappy
cultural commentators. Come on.
Or not. And there's a place for
righteous anger. Don't misunderstand.
But we're called to love people.We are called to see people
repent. We want to see them turn to
Christ. And so we want to give the truth
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in a loving way. So we give the truth in love.
And God cares about what we say,how we say it, and why we say
it.
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