September 9, 2025 • 43 mins
Do you crave more peace and less hustle in your homeschool? In this episode of the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast, Aby Rinella and Eryn Lynum dive into how rest is built into both nature and God’s word. Hear how animals like bighorn sheep and bees, and even perennial plants, model true rest—and how you can lead your family to embrace a Sabbath rhythm.
Packed with Biblical wisdom and practical tips straight from Eryn’s experience as a master naturalist and homeschool mom, this conversation will help you push back against productivity obsession, information overload, and the pressures that steal your peace.
Listen in to learn:
• Restful rhythms for your family (even if your kids resist at first!)
• The vital link between rest, trust in God, and a peaceful homeschool
• Simple, actionable steps for creating margin and meaningful outdoor experiences
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Recommended Resources:
- ErynLynum.com
- Free Family Sabbath Guide
- Rooted in Wonder: Nurturing Your Family's Faith Through God's Creation, by Eryn Lynum
- The Nature of Rest: What the Bible and Creation Teach Us About Sabbath Living, by Eryn Lynum
- A Sand County Almanac: And Sketches Here and There, by Aldo Leopold
- Sit, Walk, Stand, by Watchman Nee Nat Theo Podcast, hosted by Eryn Lynum
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We get to lead them to restful places where they can rest and
abide in the presence of God. And we can do that better as we
ourselves are resting in God's presence.
Hey everyone, welcome back to the Schoolhouse Rock podcast.
I am back this week with Aaron Lynam and if you did not listen
to the last week, you absolutelyhave to go back and listen to my
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interview with her last week where we talked about rest.
And we give every mom and every family not only permission but
directive to rest and how important it is.
And this week we're going to dive back into that conversation
and go and even more exciting direction for me because we're
going to get to talk about the outdoors and how we see rest
play out in God's creation and how we can be a part of God's
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Aaron, I'm so excited to be backwith you this week.
This has been such a fun and convicting and encouraging and
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giving us permission type episode to just rest.
And last week we really dove into scripture because
everything on the Schoolhouse Rock podcast, everything in our
life, everything in our home school, everything we do needs
to start with what does God's word say, right?
It needs to start with, how did God design us to live?
And we discussed last week, without a doubt, his word
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shares, God designed us to rest,right?
It's not only something we want to do or need to do.
It really is designed by God so that we can function well in
life. And this week I'm really excited
because we get to dive in and I want to talk with you because
you're not only a, a biblical scholar, a theologian, but you
are a nature girl, right? What is it?
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What is your certification that you say?
Yeah, it's called a master naturalist, which is really
naturalist. It just means nature teacher.
It's just a fancy. Word for it, I love it and we
can all be master naturalist, right, because God gave us
creation to point to him and andwe are in it and so I'm excited
we live in nature. We are constantly pointing to
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our creator through his creation, our family.
Anybody that's listened to this podcast any amount of time knows
that we spend more of our time in the Backcountry than we do at
home. And that's just how we live and
we show the hand of God to our kids through everything in
nature, right through the animals, through the plants, all
of it watching how they live, their habitats, their
mannerisms, learning the animal.That's kind of what we do as as
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our world of hunting, right? But something I have not really
stopped to think about as we are, our family is out and
watching game and we're in the field is how they rest like
that's not ever anything that I've really paid attention to,
which is so interesting. I could tell you everything they
eat everything how how they function.
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I, I could tell you almost everything, but then how they
rest is not something I've, I'vegiven a lot of thought.
It's always what they do, right?What is the animal doing?
And so your book and, and this concept of rest has really
opened my eyes to seeing rest increation, right.
And so I want you to share. I want you to open us up with
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just sharing your favorite examples, several because these
are what are so fun to me and soexciting of how you see rest in
creation. The lessons that we learn when
we get outside and we look outside and a lot of your
podcast is how we see God and Scripture through creation.
But I want you specifically to talk about how do we see this
concept of rest when we look out?
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You talked a little bit about the Hummingbird, but what else
do you have for us? Well, I want to get to the
creatures, but something you just said makes me want to start
with plants because I hunt as well.
Our family hunts and when you think about all of the animals
out in the wilderness, many, many of them are depending on
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plants. Many of the big game animals are
going to be depending on the plants for their food.
And when we think about that, those plants regrow back every
year. They're perennials and our
family has planted several perennial gardens for getting
ready this weekend to put two more full gardens in.
And we create wildlife habitat in our yard to bring in
pollinators, insects, birds, andreally just restore what what
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was broken and eaten the best that we can here and now.
And so when we planted these perennial gardens a few years
ago, I had all these doubts because I do not consider myself
a great gardener and I needed aneasy button.
So I ordered these little gardenin a box kits where you get
little baby plants. And when they came they looked
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like these little clumps of weeds, like a few leaves and
just I did not think these were going to turn into anything.
But we faithfully put them in the ground and water them.
And I was shocked. At the end of that season they
were a couple of buds and blossoms on them.
And then winter starts to roll around and the ground gets cold.
We live in Colorado and we can have pretty cold winters and
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these plants kind of shrivel up and they look dead.
But then come spring, little green shoots come up, and by the
end of that second growing season, they, some of them were
three feet tall and just bursting with blossoms and
balloons. And that's what we see when
we're out in the wilderness. And it's because these perennial
plants that come back year afteryear, the secret to their
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longevity is seasonal rest, where in the winter they go
dormant and they focus. They draw all of their energy
and reserves back and focus on their roots.
That's how they come back every year, bigger, stronger, better.
That is one way that God provides for the wild animals.
We read in Psalm 104 all of these beautiful ways that God
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provides for creation, and one way is through those perennial
plants, and they come back because of these seasonal pauses
for rest. So God is providing through
rest, right? And, and we talked about in the
first episode how that's so counter to our thinking because
we think to get things done, to make things happen, we have to
work harder, work more. And we think if we rest,
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everything's going to fall apart, right?
But really God provides through rest because it goes back to
what you said in the first episode.
Again, we're trusting him because he's the creator.
He holds all things in his hands.
He's the one that, that decides when the plants live and when
they die, right? And so we can just rest in him
and, and rest in, in our faith and our trust that things aren't
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going to fall apart when we rest, right?
Because we're controlling beingslike we like to have control,
But when we surrender that control, I, I absolutely love
that analogy. I love that.
Well, not analogy, but example in creation.
Yeah, yeah, No, it's fascinatingbecause in the book when I'm
talking about how God provides through rest, I ask the
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question, what have you recentlybeen asking God for?
Think about that thing, that specific scenario, that need.
Could God's readily available supply of rest be his answer to
that request? How many times do we rush right
past God's response, God's provision, when all the while it
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is right there, rest is always available, even if we can't,
like, even if it's not the Sabbath day, even if we can't
pause for a moment, which I would argue we can.
And we need to learn how to. God's restful presence, His Holy
Spirit, who by His nature is restful, is inside of us.
And as we take this risk on rest, what we find is that he
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provides. He provides peace through rest.
He provides perspective. He provides wisdom.
Those are the things we are always asking God for as
homeschool parents. Lord, give me peace.
Lord, give me wisdom. Lord, help me with deciding this
big decision in our life or curriculum or what we do for our
child here. He wants to answer those
requests as we learn to rest in Him.
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Yes, and how like you said, how often do we miss the answers
because we're too busy? We pass them by.
That is so good. OK, so give us another example
in creation of how God can show us that that all of his creation
needs rest, right? It's not just us.
Yeah, let's stick on game animals.
You got me thinking out about this.
So bighorn sheep, we have a lot of bighorn sheep here in
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Colorado. And the first time I ever saw
them, it was before we moved to Colorado.
It was we were out here on vacation.
And I think that trip and specifically seeing these
bighorn sheep was a big part of me feeling like, oh, actually we
need to live here. And we were driving up this
mountain Canyon and some cars are pulled over to the side of
the road and people are looking up and these are steep, rocky
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cliffs. We are in a Canyon and there's
bighorn sheep up on the cliffs. And they were with babies, these
tiny. And they're so.
Cute. They are one of the.
Cutest. And it's insane when you watch
these animals because the males,the full grown males can be 300
lbs but they're not small and you watch them navigating these
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cliffsides. And a big corn sheep can
actually balance on a 2 inch wide.
It's terrifying. Do you ever watch them?
And like you get this, I get like anxiety, like my, oh,
especially the little babies, like my hearts.
And I'm like, Mama, do you wait,wait.
It's it's kind of an anxiety moment to watch these big horns.
And those babies, so within a couple of hours they can stand
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and within a day or two, they can navigate those cliffsides
following their Mama. And what's incredible is the
Mama is guiding them to a restful place.
One of the reasons that they do this on the cliffs is because
their predators can't get to them.
They're not as skilled climbers.So the Mama will guide her
babies across these steep cliffsides in order to find a
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place where they can rest in safety.
We get to do that with our children.
We get to lead our children through this rocky ravine of our
culture, of our society, and allof these dangers and threats
coming up against them. We get to guide them.
We have a very incredible privilege to do that as
homeschool parents, and we get to lead them to restful places
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where they can rest and abide inthe presence of God.
And we can do that better as we ourselves are resting in God's
presence. Absolutely.
That is so good because we we have to help our kids understand
this concept of rest Actually, I, I dare to challenge that it's
wired in them already. I feel like kids are already
wired that way because that's how God designed it.
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It's that the world takes it outof us, right.
Kids already understand this. They naturally get this.
You watch kids, they'll run hard, they'll play hard and then
pretty soon they'll be in the corner reading a book, chilling
out. Nobody needs to tell them to
they have that natural rhythm, right?
And then he end up ruining it. And I remember, I remember we
were hunting one time and and we've always haunted with our
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kids since they were tiny on ourbacks.
And my son was like maybe 5 at the No, no, no, he wasn't
because he was 10, because it was his tag, right?
And so we were, we were hiking way up top.
And I'm like, keep your eyes up,keep your eyes up.
You got to be looking. You got to be looking because if
an animal comes, you know, we don't want to spook on this.
And I just remember the whole way on the trail, I'm like eyes
up, eyes up, pay attention. We got to get to the top and he
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just kept naturally slowing downand looking down And I this,
this is so convicting. But I was like, Coulson, get
your eyes up and he goes, but Mama, look what I found And he
looked down and he pulled up this Arrowhead.
Kid you not this amazing, incredible Arrowhead, because we
were in an area where those wereand I'm like, look how hard I
was trying to train out of him. The slow down.
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Look around, take a moment because I was like, we've got,
we've got a goal, we've got to get to the top.
We have a plan of action, right?And, and The thing is, is our
kids, our kids are already wiredthe way God designed them.
They come out of the womb knowing when to be active and
when to rest. I mean, hold a newborn baby,
right? They're really, really active
and then crash. They're out, right?
It's just they already naturallyhave that pattern and we, we
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work it out of them. And what you're saying is we
have to be the example of rest. We, we have to show them like
everything. We can't just give our kids the
word of God and walk away. We have to live it out, walk it
out and show them through our lives.
We can't tell our kids this, this pattern of rest.
We have to live it out, which means I was like Heidi Saint
John says, you can't give what you don't have.
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And so we have to live out this pattern to instill it in our
kids and and the mountain. I mean that the bighorn sheep
are such that example. I love it.
You know, I absolutely love thatwe can lead our kids into this.
And I dare say that we're going to eliminate, help them
eliminate a lot of deep rooted problems the rest of their life.
If they could maintain this pattern and and keep it through
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their whole childhood into theiradulthood.
Yeah, yeah. And you just hit on something
that does not come intuitive because a lot of times when I
come up, when I'm talking about rest, parents will ask, well, my
kids are not going to be on board with this, especially if
their Sabbath is going to include no screens.
And yes, there's going to be some pushback.
Like, this is messy. It is not easy.
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That's why Hebrews tells us to strive toward rest, to work
toward rest. But you are exactly right that
it is designed into our children.
And so as we work toward this, God's going to honor those
efforts and we are going to see how it really brings our
children and our family back into his pattern.
We saw that a year and a half into practicing Sabbath.
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So we're into this rhythm. And my husband, unexpectedly,
his his brother died. And so we have three weeks of
traveling and grieving and a memorial service and we missed 3
Sabbaths in a row. Like we're completely jolted out
of our rhythm. And our oldest son at the time,
he was 11. And after the third missed
Sabbath, he came to us and he goes, mom, dad, can we please
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Sabbath this weekend? He felt it and he needed it.
And we only realize how much we need it when we step back into
it. So just for all the listeners
who are nervous, my kids not going to be on board, trust that
this is God's design. Trust that your child is going
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to see that and step back into that.
Right. And they might and they might
not like you just you hit it. You said you don't realize you
need it until you get it back right.
And I remember one time before we take a break, we were I was
at my cousin's wedding in the San Juan Islands and a man, it
was beautiful. It was absolutely.
You want to talk about creation.We love the.
San Juan Islands. Gorgeous.
But we were there and we were there maybe 7 days and it was
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just so incredible. But then I remember returning
home and I sat on my back deck and the sun hit me and it was
like it. It was something so insane when
that sun hit me that I didn't realize that for seven days I
had not seen the sun and how I was like dying of not seeing
some. I didn't realize it.
I didn't I did not realize it because I was running on the fun
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and that whatever. But I got home and that sun hit
me and I realized I'm I was starved for that sun.
And it's much like that with rest.
We are running on fumes as a culture, as a society, as
families, as moms, so much that we don't even realize that we're
running on fumes. We don't even realize how much
we need rest. And then it starts to feel like,
like you said, there's this pushback.
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I don't want to rest. I don't think I need it.
I feel like I need to get thingsdone.
But when you can finally do it, because I have been really
challenging myself since readingthis book.
Like I don't care how how big myTo Do List is.
Like this is the time I have carved out for this.
And it's unbelievable how much Irealized I needed that rest and
and I didn't realize it until I got it.
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And that's the same with your kids is they need it.
It's hard wired in them. And, and we've got to make sure
I say, if you have really young ones, don't let the world work
it out of them. But if you have older kids, it's
worth, it's worth the push back.It's worth the push back to be
uncomfortable for a moment to get us to a place of rest
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homeschoolresource@apologia.com/bootcamp.Aaron, this has been such a
great conversation, so I want you.
We we were talking about a few things in creation that points
us to rest. I love the bighorn sheep
analogy. What else do you have?
Share us another where we see rest in in creation.
Well, let's talk about bees because we often think about
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bees as busy bees, right? They are always working and it
they even, it's so fascinating when you look at a beehive.
They will even change jobs as they grow older every few days
or so. And when you think about the
forager bees, so they are in charge of going out and finding
the flower patches, bringing back the pollen and the nectar.
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And when a forager bee returns to the hive, they have to
somehow communicate to the otherforager bees where the patch of
flowers are. And they do this through a very
intricate movement called the waggle dance.
Like, isn't that just hilarious that it's even right?
The waggle dance. And.
What it is, is it is a Figure 8 flight pattern and this flight
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pattern communicates different things to the other bees.
Scientists believe it communicates 3 things,
specifically how far away the flowers are, what direction the
flowers are in, and 3rd, they believe it even speaks to the
quality of the nectar or the pollen in the flower patch.
And so you think about this, to communicate all of these things,
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this waggle dance has to be very.
Precise, yes. Right but a bee, it can't
perform the waggle dance accurately if it's tired.
Bees have to rest. They have these regular rhythmic
periods of rest in order to be able to go about their God-given
work and communicate clearly. Think how much communication
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goes on in our houses, especially when we're
homeschooling, right? For just to be able to
accurately communicate, communicate lessons, communicate
life skills, communicate deep truths of God, we have to be
inserting these regular rhythms and practices of rest.
Yes, absolutely. So here's the thing.
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Some people are, I feel like aremore hardwired to rest, like to
embrace it. You know, there are some people
that are not going to wrestle with this.
They're like, yeah, it's like wetotally have this.
Others are going to have to be really intentional, right?
And I think one way to rest and,and you and I and both of our
families like this is probably our, our number one way is, is
to get outdoors to get outside, right?
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And that's for us, that's 100% it.
But what I've noticed is more people are are opening their
eyes to that the importance of being outdoors.
But we've also come into this place where even being in nature
has become a place of frenzy. Like we need to count the hours.
We need to log in our journals. We need to document it with
pictures. Like I'm just watching this and
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it's kind of made me sad Where we're gone are the days of just
go be right. You don't have to count hours
and log pictures. And and I'm not saying like
nature journals are amazing. If that really helps kids to
stop and take the moment and payattention to what's around them.
But it's also OK to just go be. And, you know, I was reading
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this and I always preach that same message.
But what's interesting is I was very convicted as I was reading
this book because as outdoorsmen, we always have an
agenda. Like we need to get to the top.
We need to be somewhere before the sun comes up.
We need to, you know, cut off. You know, we need out of an
angle here because we're, we're,we're hunters, right?
We we're always pursuing and I realized that that it's a very
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active thing that we do and we need to be intentional to just
be to just rest, to just stop and have no, no direction, even
necessarily no end goal, but just the being in creation, the
quiet in creation, the stop and smell the roses moments, the the
find the Arrowhead because you were looking down when you maybe
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should have been Mon Hossein looking up, right.
And so even in the outdoors, it feels like there are everywhere,
whether you're outside, whether you're inside, no matter what,
there's, there's all these things that are keeping us from
rest. And in your book, you have this
quote that I like on page 84, itsays what is currently
preventing you from enjoying God's rest?
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Is it these these were really great to think through.
Is it an obsession with productivity?
Is it an addiction to distraction or an enslavement to
worry? And I love the the way you
worded that, like we can be obsessed with productivity even
if we're being quote UN quote quiet outside.
Like we want our kids to be productive when they're outside,
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right? Or an addiction to distraction.
That was amazing. We've become addicted to
distraction. When we sit down to rest, what
do we do? Pick up our phone and start
scrolling, right? And so I want you to talk a
little bit about the barriers ofrest and also the practical you,
you have a lot of practical things, the practical things we
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can do to eliminate these barriers and fully enter into
rest, whether it's in our home or whether it's when we're
outdoors enjoying creation. Yeah, I think one of the biggest
barriers to rest is that our minds are not at rest.
If our minds are not at rest, noother part of us and embrace
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rest as bad meant for us to. And so in the book, in the this
chapter, I talk about information overload.
Yes. Big barrier your.
List. Can we go through the list on
page 159? Definitely we can.
I want to talk though about the frigate bird because for one, it
just has a really funny name. This is a crazy bird.
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It's this massive sea bird. It's wingspan is about 7 1/2
feet. So it's a huge bird.
Where? Do you find males?
You find out. So they'll live on the the coast
of the Americas, their breeding territory, their northernmost
breeding territory, I think it'sHawaii.
Yeah, that's one of their breeding territories.
So on the coast, their seabird coast, and they have these, the
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males have this massive bright red Golar sack.
That's the big thing that inflates.
Like Pelicans have them too. But the males is bright red,
crazy looking bird, silly name. And it's a seabird that can't
swim. Yeah.
It's feathers are not waterprooflike most seabirds.
And so when it is making these long migrational journeys, it
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cannot land on the water to restlike most seabirds can.
So God designed it with this crazy ability to rest and sleep
while in flight. In fact, it can stay in the air
flying for up to two months without landing.
Isn't that insane? And the way it does this is
there's something called unihemispheric sleep.
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Dolphins can also do it. Whales.
That's how they can swim while they're sleeping.
Unihemispheric sleep. You think about unihemispheric
one, half, half of the brain is sleeping and at rest.
So the great frigate bird turns off part of its brain so that
it's no longer paying attention to everything around it.
It can filter out unnecessary information while enough of its
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brain is still alert to allow itto fly and avoid obstacles and
predators. We need to become like the great
Forgive bird. We need to be able to filter out
all of the unnecessary information.
Because think about, especially as homeschoolers, we have all
this information coming at us ona daily basis from media, from
news, from social media, from our children, from our
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communities. And yet, so much of it is
important. We really have to consider, is
all of it necessary? God never meant for us to be
aware of everything going on in the world at every given moment,
right? Yes.
Don't stick your head in the sand.
Be aware, but choose wisely whatemails you subscribe to, what
platforms you use, who you follow, what news and media that
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you allow into your home. Become really picky about the
information coming into your ownmind and coming into your home
so that we can actually get to aplace where we can rest.
Right, that that is so good. And that that does take us to
that list. You have a whole chapter on
resting from information overload.
And I would say that's probably one of the, the biggest
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struggles we have today, more sothan they have in the past.
But So what you're saying we we do need to do the half brain
thing and not the kind of half brain thing that we live on
after we've just had a baby. This is a more intentional half
brain thing, right? Where where we be are being
intentional about what we're bringing into our minds.
And, and, and that sounds great,but you give really practical
tips in your book. You actually give a list of
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like, these are the things that are that are benefiting us.
And these are the things that are draining us.
These are the things that are producing rest in US.
And these are the things that are sucking the rest.
And you know, I think we're in this place where I know for me,
every podcast I listen to, I endup with a list of things I need
to go look up and research and find and read and do.
And it ends up being stressed, stressful, right?
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Or, you know, research and all these different things.
And so there's there's a great list.
And that was such a great chapter of being intentional.
I think that's the word being intentional with what we allow
into our minds. And those those things produce a
state of either rest or not rest, right?
We're in information overload right now.
And so that's a very practical thing you also talk about in the
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book, how the sounds of nature being in being outdoors, like
just the sounds of nature can bring us into a restful place.
And I found myself at one point where every time I would go out,
I'd put earbuds in to listen to a, a podcast or listen to
something. And I started realizing like,
I'm not, I'm, I'm not hearing the birds, I'm not hearing the,
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this, the wind and the breeze. And I end up getting home from
my hike completely stressed out because I'm, I'm giving my brain
information rather than a rest when I'm out there.
And so I agree, those are huge barriers.
So what, what would be? Because we're, we're getting to
the end. What would be your three most
practical tips? Just practical for moms to live
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a more restful life? Yeah.
OK. Let's start with the information
overload because like how can wereally actually do that, filter
out that information? And you talked about the list.
So really considering what booksare you reading, what
applications are you using, whatmedia accounts and even
communications with specific groups?
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Right. Go through that list, write down
those things that are feeding you information and ask
yourself, are they pointing yourattention to Jesus?
Are they life giving to mind andspirit?
Love it? Are they inspiring?
Do they encourage you? Are they wholesome?
Do they make you laugh? Do they keep you connected to
loved ones? Does that app actually help you
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stay connected with loved ones who are far away?
Or is it a distraction? Right.
And do they keep you informed oncritical things?
So one thing I do very specifically my home is I don't
avoid the news, but I'm very careful.
Basically, I only listen to Worldwatch news from a difficult
worldview with my children, and that's my news.
My husband stays a little more informed, so he'll let me know
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if there's things I need to know.
But I know that one of my propensities is to go down that
rabbit hole of fear and anxiety if I'm paying attention to
things that really aren't relevant to us.
So Worldwatch, let's miss stay informed, know what to pray for,
and then not be afraid of everything else.
And so asking yourself those questions.
Or is this thing the source of information leaving you anxious?
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Does it go against God's word? Is it completely unrelated to
you? Like maybe it's stealing your
attention from your kids, stealing your energy, stealing
your peace, and it is completelyunrelated to you.
Like, for example, what you know, your, your high school,
you know, best friend in high school had for dinner last
night, right? We're like, that's the kind of
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stuff we're watching, right? We're watching that on our phone
and now we're like, Oh my word, that's a beautiful dinner.
I and we go down this rabbit trail like, yes, that's not
applicable to my life. And it just sucked out of time
that I could be resting. Yeah, yeah.
Let me give a second practice you can do.
This is one of my favorites. Going back to the idea we spent
a whole week talking about, say,LA pauses, bringing rest into
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your daily life. One of my favorites is to recite
Psalm 23, whether it's out loud or in prayer.
And I will, you know, think about Psalm 23.
The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want.
I take those words. I shall not want, and I add them
at the end of every sentence or stanza.
The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want.
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He makes me lie down in green pastures.
I shall not want. He leads me besides still quiet.
That word means restful waters. I shall not want and you go
through the whole Psalm like this.
It just takes a few minutes, butfor one it it slows you for that
moment for sure brings you back to truth.
And one of the biggest things itdoes is when you repeat those
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words I shall not want. It's removing you from a place
of distraction and discontent, because distraction and
discontent, those are things that drive us toward hurry and
hustle. Thinking about your high school
friends dinner last night and oh, I should cook a fresh meal
tonight. I need to go to the store.
I need to get these ingredients.While I'm doing that, I should
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overhaul our diet. Are the kids eating too much
sugar? I should get back on that.
That if you give a mouse a muffin, right?
It's that book. It's that book every day of our
life. Yes, yes.
And so, yes, of course we shouldbe trying to better ourselves in
God's power, always asking how we can grow, how we can help our
children grow. But we need to push back against
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that FOMO and that discontent and that distraction.
And we can do that by reminding ourselves, oh, God leads us to
green pastures. God gives us everything we need.
I shall not want. I love it.
One thing that I learned well, not learn to do, but I'm not a
huge phone person, but I'm seeing everybody has their
calendars on their phone. And so the minute something
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comes up, people whip out their phone and like I'm available.
I can do that. And and one thing that's helped
me because I'm, I could deal with FOMO, right?
Everybody's making doing all these fun things.
And I, I've learned I don't everkeep a calendar with me.
And I always say, let me, you know, I keep my calendar on our
fridge. And so then when there's all
this happening, I can say, let me go home and check my calendar
and get back. That's how they used to do it,
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right? That's how they used to do it.
Let me go check my calendar and then that way I can get home and
I can really decide is that going to benefit me or do I just
want to BA because everybody wasall planning on doing it.
You know, even homeschool stuff.We're all going to the park.
Let me check my calendar when I get home.
And that way it gives me a pause.
I can think about it. I can look at our calendar, but
I see everybody whips out their phones.
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And then right then and there, they can put something on it,
but then you kind of can't get out of.
And I think if everybody would leave their calendars at home,
they might become less full, right?
And that would allow us more moments of rest.
And so there's just those littlepractical things that that I do
think the phone makes it very easy.
The device makes it very easy for us to have our rest robbed.
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And so the more we put that down, the more we have that
margin built in, right? Yeah, Yeah, I absolutely love
that place. And a pause before you commit
something on the calendar. And let's talk about calendars
for a moment. You asked for three packs.
I'm ready. OK.
It really does start with our calendar.
And you use the word margin because when we think about it,
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throughout history, in the biblical times, time was viewed
in these bigger chunks. Like there's a couple of words
in Scripture for hour and day, but they weren't hour and day
like we think about them. They were more abstract.
It was at this hour like we would say at this moment.
At this moment in time, right? Yeah.
And so what's happened throughout history and with the
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introduction of, you know, electrical lighting and light
bulbs is we have really whittledtime down to the tiniest
increments. The smallest measure of time is
a zeptosecond, which is an unthinkably small amount of
time, a fraction of a second, like inconceivable fraction of a
second. And so we've tried to whittle it
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all down and we try to shove ourcalendars and fit everything in
like a game of Tetris. Yep.
One thing we can do to build more rest in and space for rest
is to get back to larger time blocks.
And so if you know that an activity or a lesson is going to
take, say, 30 minutes, block outan hour for it.
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That's going to give you more time.
One for if that lesson leads to a really cool conversation with
your child, you're not going to be rushing to the next thing.
You have time to enter into those dialogues.
It also builds margin in so thatyour activities are not butt to
butt on the calendar. So that if you you know, if
someone can't find their right shoe or you're 5 minutes behind
or you hit 3 red lights, it's not as big of a deal.
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You're not set into hustle and hurry and speeding down the road
because but you have that marginbuilt in.
So just allow yourself to time block in larger.
And yes, and that will lead to such a more peaceful home school
because home school is home. When we, when we, when we
establish our life on this, thispattern of rest that God set up,
then we can establish our home school on this pattern of rest
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and we're going to have a more peaceful home school.
And that's ultimately the goal. Because I mean, for goodness
sake, peace is a fruit of the Spirit, right?
And peace comes from rest and trust.
And it's all just how God designed it.
And, and we have to be intentional.
We have to, we have to schedule in that margin for a while until
it becomes our own pattern, right?
And this is this is all such a beautiful thing.
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And I think that that every mom that's hearing this wants to
hear this. And they need to their, their,
their hearts and their souls arecraving this.
And what we're saying is this isimportant.
This is not only just a concept,but it's God's command, it's
God's design. And so we have to push back on
the hustle and bustle of the culture and we have to take back
our homes and, and we have the ability to do that because we're
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not our school days aren't dictated by bells and and
whistles to come in from recess and all those things.
We, we have such an incredible opportunity to work in this
pattern of rest because we homeschool and what a blessing
that is. So before, because we have to
wrap this up, we could, I could talk Aaron about this and with
you for days and days and days, but I'm going to just rapid
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fire. I'd love to just do some rapid
fire fun questions at the very end before we wrap this up.
So we're going to just go quick ready.
What is your favorite book? 2 for Nature, a San County
Almanac elderly apology. You would love it.
As a hunter, he talks beautifully about the rhythms of
the ecosystems of nature A Sand County Almanac.
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It's a classic in the naturalistrealm.
And then for theology, I love Sit, Walk, stand by watchman
knee a tiny little study on Ephesians.
OK, love it. OK, favorite quote you did in
Oswald Chambers 1 is that? Yeah, no, I was gonna share
that. I'm like, we already covered
that one, so I'm gonna share onethat I opened by second book
Rooted in Wonder with, and it's from Johannes Kepler.
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He was a late mathematician and scientist who used science to
point to God, and he wrote. Thus God himself was too kind to
remain idle and began to play a game of signatures, signing his
likeness into the world. Wow, oh that just get that's
beautiful. That's incredible.
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I love that and he did all of creation speaks his name right.
Favorite Bible verse? Goes right along with that
quote. Romans 120.
The God's invisible attributes, namely his eternal power and
divine nature, have been clearlyperceived ever since the
creation of the world and the things that have been made so
they are without excuse. I love that verse.
Favorite worship song? We're on a theme I love.
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This is my father's world. No, I love that one too.
OK, quickly, funniest moment in nature with your kids.
Oh, I hope I could do this quick.
We were camping this past weekend, so this one came right
to mind. OK, My husband and I slept in on
Saturday. That is a Sabbath ritual.
And so the kids actually, they're at the age where they
can go explore. So they go like they're climbing
over these rocks and then they come back and they're like, we
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found a dead animal. And I was like, OK, explain to
me this dead animal. And they're like, we think it's
a deer, but it has paws and it'shead is gone.
It's head is gone. So they can't identify it.
So I'm like, please take me to see this thing.
Their curiosity sparks my curiosity.
I go, sure enough, it is a dead Mountain Lion and we like showed
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the picture to a Ranger, which sparked his curiosity so that
he's like to my kids. He says, will you go take me to
this dead animal? And he confirmed that's what it
was. So like crazy story.
And thankfully like we knew our kids were safe too.
By the way, I know it sounds like, oh, they're in the rocks
and there's like we knew they were safe.
They were right by the campsite.They're together.
Our dog is there but like this crazy thing that just like their
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curiosity sparked my curiosity sparked the Rangers curiosity.
Curiosity to where? Like we had an incredible
conversation and learned all about being a Ranger out in the
wilderness over this dead Mountain Lion carcass.
Oh my goodness. And you know, what I love about
that is nobody picked up the phone and asked Siri.
It was a it was a series of discovering and interacting with
other human beings. And that's the beautiful thing
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when you put down the phone and go outside is you have to figure
some stuff out again. You have to look at what's
around you. You have to take the evidences
of, OK, it looks like a deer, but it has paws.
So it's obviously not a deer. And there's no Googling.
And I love that because our kidsbrains are being engaged, right?
Like that's, that's why we get to do.
That's why it's important we do what we do.
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OK, If moms could take one thingfrom this conversation, Aaron, I
mean, we've hit so much, but what would you hope that the
biggest take away for moms wouldbe when they when they hit pause
on this? Take a risk on rest.
God's design works and He will bless your efforts.
As messy as they are, He will bless them, yes.
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I love that and so that's the challenge.
That's the challenge we're goingto leave you with is trust the
Lord believe that his way works.Believe that he what he set into
motion. I mean, just as we say,
obviously one man, one woman, itworks, right?
It's no different with rest, right?
God's design and pattern for rest works and and give it a
chance. I love how you say that take a
risk. It feels risky, but take the
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risk and and God never fails us,right?
His word always is, is true and it is right And it it's always
it's the best way to do it. It won't ever fail us.
So this has been incredible. I want you to remind I'm going
to show the book one more time. If you're watching, it's
absolutely beautiful. Where can we get the book?
The Nature of Rest, What the Bible and creation teach us
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about Sabbath living is available wherever you buy
books, including Amazon or signed copies on my website,
Aaron linum ERYNLY n-um.com, andyou can find all my books there.
A bunch of free resources to getstarted taking your kids out in
creation and reconnecting the dots between creation and
creator activities. Devotionals.
Those are all free, as well as our podcast for families, Nat
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Theo Nature Lessons Rooted in the Bible, which is available
wherever you enjoy podcasts or write on our website.
I love it. Thank you, Aaron, you are a
blessing. And thank you for encouraging
and convicting and inspiring allof us to just walk in God's
Word. Thanks so much for joining us
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remain culture proof. My entire home school journey
has not been well. How do I figure out how to
juggle history with a third grader and a different history
with a first grader and a preschool with a preschooler?
We just all did the same thing together.
So when they were little, we didlike like all of our content
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area subjects together. But as my kids got older, they
knew what they wanted to study, and not everybody wanted to
study the same thing. So when they were younger, I was
like, OK, next year we're doing mythology, or next year we're
doing ancient history, or next year we're doing the American
Revolution or whatever it was. And I would kind of plan things
out. But as they got older, you know,
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I would have like 2 who were like, oh, we really want to do
botany, mom. And then this other one was
like, no, I don't want to do that.
We get to lead them to restful places where they can rest and
abide in the presence of God. And we can do that better as we
ourselves are resting in God's presence.
Hey everyone, welcome back to the Schoolhouse Rock podcast.
I am back this week with Aaron Lynam and if you did not listen
to the last week, you absolutelyhave to go back and listen to my
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interview with her last week where we talked about rest.
And we give every mom and every family not only permission but
directive to rest and how important it is.
And this week we're going to dive back into that conversation
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Aaron, I'm so excited to be backwith you this week.
This has been such a fun and convicting and encouraging and
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giving us permission type episode to just rest.
And last week we really dove into scripture because
everything on the Schoolhouse Rock podcast, everything in our
life, everything in our home school, everything we do needs
to start with what does God's word say, right?
It needs to start with, how did God design us to live?
And we discussed last week, without a doubt, his word
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shares, God designed us to rest,right?
It's not only something we want to do or need to do.
It really is designed by God so that we can function well in
life. And this week I'm really excited
because we get to dive in and I want to talk with you because
you're not only a, a biblical scholar, a theologian, but you
are a nature girl, right? What is it?
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What is your certification that you say?
Yeah, it's called a master naturalist, which is really
naturalist. It just means nature teacher.
It's just a fancy. Word for it, I love it and we
can all be master naturalist, right, because God gave us
creation to point to him and andwe are in it and so I'm excited
we live in nature. We are constantly pointing to
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our creator through his creation, our family.
Anybody that's listened to this podcast any amount of time knows
that we spend more of our time in the Backcountry than we do at
home. And that's just how we live and
we show the hand of God to our kids through everything in
nature, right through the animals, through the plants, all
of it watching how they live, their habitats, their
mannerisms, learning the animal.That's kind of what we do as as
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our world of hunting, right? But something I have not really
stopped to think about as we are, our family is out and
watching game and we're in the field is how they rest like
that's not ever anything that I've really paid attention to,
which is so interesting. I could tell you everything they
eat everything how how they function.
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I, I could tell you almost everything, but then how they
rest is not something I've, I'vegiven a lot of thought.
It's always what they do, right?What is the animal doing?
And so your book and, and this concept of rest has really
opened my eyes to seeing rest increation, right.
And so I want you to share. I want you to open us up with
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just sharing your favorite examples, several because these
are what are so fun to me and soexciting of how you see rest in
creation. The lessons that we learn when
we get outside and we look outside and a lot of your
podcast is how we see God and Scripture through creation.
But I want you specifically to talk about how do we see this
concept of rest when we look out?
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You talked a little bit about the Hummingbird, but what else
do you have for us? Well, I want to get to the
creatures, but something you just said makes me want to start
with plants because I hunt as well.
Our family hunts and when you think about all of the animals
out in the wilderness, many, many of them are depending on
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plants. Many of the big game animals are
going to be depending on the plants for their food.
And when we think about that, those plants regrow back every
year. They're perennials and our
family has planted several perennial gardens for getting
ready this weekend to put two more full gardens in.
And we create wildlife habitat in our yard to bring in
pollinators, insects, birds, andreally just restore what what
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was broken and eaten the best that we can here and now.
And so when we planted these perennial gardens a few years
ago, I had all these doubts because I do not consider myself
a great gardener and I needed aneasy button.
So I ordered these little gardenin a box kits where you get
little baby plants. And when they came they looked
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like these little clumps of weeds, like a few leaves and
just I did not think these were going to turn into anything.
But we faithfully put them in the ground and water them.
And I was shocked. At the end of that season they
were a couple of buds and blossoms on them.
And then winter starts to roll around and the ground gets cold.
We live in Colorado and we can have pretty cold winters and
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these plants kind of shrivel up and they look dead.
But then come spring, little green shoots come up, and by the
end of that second growing season, they, some of them were
three feet tall and just bursting with blossoms and
balloons. And that's what we see when
we're out in the wilderness. And it's because these perennial
plants that come back year afteryear, the secret to their
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longevity is seasonal rest, where in the winter they go
dormant and they focus. They draw all of their energy
and reserves back and focus on their roots.
That's how they come back every year, bigger, stronger, better.
That is one way that God provides for the wild animals.
We read in Psalm 104 all of these beautiful ways that God
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provides for creation, and one way is through those perennial
plants, and they come back because of these seasonal pauses
for rest. So God is providing through
rest, right? And, and we talked about in the
first episode how that's so counter to our thinking because
we think to get things done, to make things happen, we have to
work harder, work more. And we think if we rest,
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everything's going to fall apart, right?
But really God provides through rest because it goes back to
what you said in the first episode.
Again, we're trusting him because he's the creator.
He holds all things in his hands.
He's the one that, that decides when the plants live and when
they die, right? And so we can just rest in him
and, and rest in, in our faith and our trust that things aren't
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going to fall apart when we rest, right?
Because we're controlling beingslike we like to have control,
But when we surrender that control, I, I absolutely love
that analogy. I love that.
Well, not analogy, but example in creation.
Yeah, yeah, No, it's fascinatingbecause in the book when I'm
talking about how God provides through rest, I ask the
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question, what have you recentlybeen asking God for?
Think about that thing, that specific scenario, that need.
Could God's readily available supply of rest be his answer to
that request? How many times do we rush right
past God's response, God's provision, when all the while it
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is right there, rest is always available, even if we can't,
like, even if it's not the Sabbath day, even if we can't
pause for a moment, which I would argue we can.
And we need to learn how to. God's restful presence, His Holy
Spirit, who by His nature is restful, is inside of us.
And as we take this risk on rest, what we find is that he
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provides. He provides peace through rest.
He provides perspective. He provides wisdom.
Those are the things we are always asking God for as
homeschool parents. Lord, give me peace.
Lord, give me wisdom. Lord, help me with deciding this
big decision in our life or curriculum or what we do for our
child here. He wants to answer those
requests as we learn to rest in Him.
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Yes, and how like you said, how often do we miss the answers
because we're too busy? We pass them by.
That is so good. OK, so give us another example
in creation of how God can show us that that all of his creation
needs rest, right? It's not just us.
Yeah, let's stick on game animals.
You got me thinking out about this.
So bighorn sheep, we have a lot of bighorn sheep here in
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Colorado. And the first time I ever saw
them, it was before we moved to Colorado.
It was we were out here on vacation.
And I think that trip and specifically seeing these
bighorn sheep was a big part of me feeling like, oh, actually we
need to live here. And we were driving up this
mountain Canyon and some cars are pulled over to the side of
the road and people are looking up and these are steep, rocky
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cliffs. We are in a Canyon and there's
bighorn sheep up on the cliffs. And they were with babies, these
tiny. And they're so.
Cute. They are one of the.
Cutest. And it's insane when you watch
these animals because the males,the full grown males can be 300
lbs but they're not small and you watch them navigating these
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cliffsides. And a big corn sheep can
actually balance on a 2 inch wide.
It's terrifying. Do you ever watch them?
And like you get this, I get like anxiety, like my, oh,
especially the little babies, like my hearts.
And I'm like, Mama, do you wait,wait.
It's it's kind of an anxiety moment to watch these big horns.
And those babies, so within a couple of hours they can stand
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and within a day or two, they can navigate those cliffsides
following their Mama. And what's incredible is the
Mama is guiding them to a restful place.
One of the reasons that they do this on the cliffs is because
their predators can't get to them.
They're not as skilled climbers.So the Mama will guide her
babies across these steep cliffsides in order to find a
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place where they can rest in safety.
We get to do that with our children.
We get to lead our children through this rocky ravine of our
culture, of our society, and allof these dangers and threats
coming up against them. We get to guide them.
We have a very incredible privilege to do that as
homeschool parents, and we get to lead them to restful places
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where they can rest and abide inthe presence of God.
And we can do that better as we ourselves are resting in God's
presence. Absolutely.
That is so good because we we have to help our kids understand
this concept of rest Actually, I, I dare to challenge that it's
wired in them already. I feel like kids are already
wired that way because that's how God designed it.
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It's that the world takes it outof us, right.
Kids already understand this. They naturally get this.
You watch kids, they'll run hard, they'll play hard and then
pretty soon they'll be in the corner reading a book, chilling
out. Nobody needs to tell them to
they have that natural rhythm, right?
And then he end up ruining it. And I remember, I remember we
were hunting one time and and we've always haunted with our
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kids since they were tiny on ourbacks.
And my son was like maybe 5 at the No, no, no, he wasn't
because he was 10, because it was his tag, right?
And so we were, we were hiking way up top.
And I'm like, keep your eyes up,keep your eyes up.
You got to be looking. You got to be looking because if
an animal comes, you know, we don't want to spook on this.
And I just remember the whole way on the trail, I'm like eyes
up, eyes up, pay attention. We got to get to the top and he
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just kept naturally slowing downand looking down And I this,
this is so convicting. But I was like, Coulson, get
your eyes up and he goes, but Mama, look what I found And he
looked down and he pulled up this Arrowhead.
Kid you not this amazing, incredible Arrowhead, because we
were in an area where those wereand I'm like, look how hard I
was trying to train out of him. The slow down.
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Look around, take a moment because I was like, we've got,
we've got a goal, we've got to get to the top.
We have a plan of action, right?And, and The thing is, is our
kids, our kids are already wiredthe way God designed them.
They come out of the womb knowing when to be active and
when to rest. I mean, hold a newborn baby,
right? They're really, really active
and then crash. They're out, right?
It's just they already naturallyhave that pattern and we, we
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work it out of them. And what you're saying is we
have to be the example of rest. We, we have to show them like
everything. We can't just give our kids the
word of God and walk away. We have to live it out, walk it
out and show them through our lives.
We can't tell our kids this, this pattern of rest.
We have to live it out, which means I was like Heidi Saint
John says, you can't give what you don't have.
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And so we have to live out this pattern to instill it in our
kids and and the mountain. I mean that the bighorn sheep
are such that example. I love it.
You know, I absolutely love thatwe can lead our kids into this.
And I dare say that we're going to eliminate, help them
eliminate a lot of deep rooted problems the rest of their life.
If they could maintain this pattern and and keep it through
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their whole childhood into theiradulthood.
Yeah, yeah. And you just hit on something
that does not come intuitive because a lot of times when I
come up, when I'm talking about rest, parents will ask, well, my
kids are not going to be on board with this, especially if
their Sabbath is going to include no screens.
And yes, there's going to be some pushback.
Like, this is messy. It is not easy.
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That's why Hebrews tells us to strive toward rest, to work
toward rest. But you are exactly right that
it is designed into our children.
And so as we work toward this, God's going to honor those
efforts and we are going to see how it really brings our
children and our family back into his pattern.
We saw that a year and a half into practicing Sabbath.
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So we're into this rhythm. And my husband, unexpectedly,
his his brother died. And so we have three weeks of
traveling and grieving and a memorial service and we missed 3
Sabbaths in a row. Like we're completely jolted out
of our rhythm. And our oldest son at the time,
he was 11. And after the third missed
Sabbath, he came to us and he goes, mom, dad, can we please
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Sabbath this weekend? He felt it and he needed it.
And we only realize how much we need it when we step back into
it. So just for all the listeners
who are nervous, my kids not going to be on board, trust that
this is God's design. Trust that your child is going
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to see that and step back into that.
Right. And they might and they might
not like you just you hit it. You said you don't realize you
need it until you get it back right.
And I remember one time before we take a break, we were I was
at my cousin's wedding in the San Juan Islands and a man, it
was beautiful. It was absolutely.
You want to talk about creation.We love the.
San Juan Islands. Gorgeous.
But we were there and we were there maybe 7 days and it was
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just so incredible. But then I remember returning
home and I sat on my back deck and the sun hit me and it was
like it. It was something so insane when
that sun hit me that I didn't realize that for seven days I
had not seen the sun and how I was like dying of not seeing
some. I didn't realize it.
I didn't I did not realize it because I was running on the fun
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and that whatever. But I got home and that sun hit
me and I realized I'm I was starved for that sun.
And it's much like that with rest.
We are running on fumes as a culture, as a society, as
families, as moms, so much that we don't even realize that we're
running on fumes. We don't even realize how much
we need rest. And then it starts to feel like,
like you said, there's this pushback.
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I don't want to rest. I don't think I need it.
I feel like I need to get thingsdone.
But when you can finally do it, because I have been really
challenging myself since readingthis book.
Like I don't care how how big myTo Do List is.
Like this is the time I have carved out for this.
And it's unbelievable how much Irealized I needed that rest and
and I didn't realize it until I got it.
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And that's the same with your kids is they need it.
It's hard wired in them. And, and we've got to make sure
I say, if you have really young ones, don't let the world work
it out of them. But if you have older kids, it's
worth, it's worth the push back.It's worth the push back to be
uncomfortable for a moment to get us to a place of rest
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homeschoolresource@apologia.com/bootcamp.Aaron, this has been such a
great conversation, so I want you.
We we were talking about a few things in creation that points
us to rest. I love the bighorn sheep
analogy. What else do you have?
Share us another where we see rest in in creation.
Well, let's talk about bees because we often think about
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bees as busy bees, right? They are always working and it
they even, it's so fascinating when you look at a beehive.
They will even change jobs as they grow older every few days
or so. And when you think about the
forager bees, so they are in charge of going out and finding
the flower patches, bringing back the pollen and the nectar.
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And when a forager bee returns to the hive, they have to
somehow communicate to the otherforager bees where the patch of
flowers are. And they do this through a very
intricate movement called the waggle dance.
Like, isn't that just hilarious that it's even right?
The waggle dance. And.
What it is, is it is a Figure 8 flight pattern and this flight
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pattern communicates different things to the other bees.
Scientists believe it communicates 3 things,
specifically how far away the flowers are, what direction the
flowers are in, and 3rd, they believe it even speaks to the
quality of the nectar or the pollen in the flower patch.
And so you think about this, to communicate all of these things,
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this waggle dance has to be very.
Precise, yes. Right but a bee, it can't
perform the waggle dance accurately if it's tired.
Bees have to rest. They have these regular rhythmic
periods of rest in order to be able to go about their God-given
work and communicate clearly. Think how much communication
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goes on in our houses, especially when we're
homeschooling, right? For just to be able to
accurately communicate, communicate lessons, communicate
life skills, communicate deep truths of God, we have to be
inserting these regular rhythms and practices of rest.
Yes, absolutely. So here's the thing.
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Some people are, I feel like aremore hardwired to rest, like to
embrace it. You know, there are some people
that are not going to wrestle with this.
They're like, yeah, it's like wetotally have this.
Others are going to have to be really intentional, right?
And I think one way to rest and,and you and I and both of our
families like this is probably our, our number one way is, is
to get outdoors to get outside, right?
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And that's for us, that's 100% it.
But what I've noticed is more people are are opening their
eyes to that the importance of being outdoors.
But we've also come into this place where even being in nature
has become a place of frenzy. Like we need to count the hours.
We need to log in our journals. We need to document it with
pictures. Like I'm just watching this and
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it's kind of made me sad Where we're gone are the days of just
go be right. You don't have to count hours
and log pictures. And and I'm not saying like
nature journals are amazing. If that really helps kids to
stop and take the moment and payattention to what's around them.
But it's also OK to just go be. And, you know, I was reading
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this and I always preach that same message.
But what's interesting is I was very convicted as I was reading
this book because as outdoorsmen, we always have an
agenda. Like we need to get to the top.
We need to be somewhere before the sun comes up.
We need to, you know, cut off. You know, we need out of an
angle here because we're, we're,we're hunters, right?
We we're always pursuing and I realized that that it's a very
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active thing that we do and we need to be intentional to just
be to just rest, to just stop and have no, no direction, even
necessarily no end goal, but just the being in creation, the
quiet in creation, the stop and smell the roses moments, the the
find the Arrowhead because you were looking down when you maybe
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should have been Mon Hossein looking up, right.
And so even in the outdoors, it feels like there are everywhere,
whether you're outside, whether you're inside, no matter what,
there's, there's all these things that are keeping us from
rest. And in your book, you have this
quote that I like on page 84, itsays what is currently
preventing you from enjoying God's rest?
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Is it these these were really great to think through.
Is it an obsession with productivity?
Is it an addiction to distraction or an enslavement to
worry? And I love the the way you
worded that, like we can be obsessed with productivity even
if we're being quote UN quote quiet outside.
Like we want our kids to be productive when they're outside,
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right? Or an addiction to distraction.
That was amazing. We've become addicted to
distraction. When we sit down to rest, what
do we do? Pick up our phone and start
scrolling, right? And so I want you to talk a
little bit about the barriers ofrest and also the practical you,
you have a lot of practical things, the practical things we
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can do to eliminate these barriers and fully enter into
rest, whether it's in our home or whether it's when we're
outdoors enjoying creation. Yeah, I think one of the biggest
barriers to rest is that our minds are not at rest.
If our minds are not at rest, noother part of us and embrace
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rest as bad meant for us to. And so in the book, in the this
chapter, I talk about information overload.
Yes. Big barrier your.
List. Can we go through the list on
page 159? Definitely we can.
I want to talk though about the frigate bird because for one, it
just has a really funny name. This is a crazy bird.
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It's this massive sea bird. It's wingspan is about 7 1/2
feet. So it's a huge bird.
Where? Do you find males?
You find out. So they'll live on the the coast
of the Americas, their breeding territory, their northernmost
breeding territory, I think it'sHawaii.
Yeah, that's one of their breeding territories.
So on the coast, their seabird coast, and they have these, the
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males have this massive bright red Golar sack.
That's the big thing that inflates.
Like Pelicans have them too. But the males is bright red,
crazy looking bird, silly name. And it's a seabird that can't
swim. Yeah.
It's feathers are not waterprooflike most seabirds.
And so when it is making these long migrational journeys, it
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cannot land on the water to restlike most seabirds can.
So God designed it with this crazy ability to rest and sleep
while in flight. In fact, it can stay in the air
flying for up to two months without landing.
Isn't that insane? And the way it does this is
there's something called unihemispheric sleep.
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Dolphins can also do it. Whales.
That's how they can swim while they're sleeping.
Unihemispheric sleep. You think about unihemispheric
one, half, half of the brain is sleeping and at rest.
So the great frigate bird turns off part of its brain so that
it's no longer paying attention to everything around it.
It can filter out unnecessary information while enough of its
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brain is still alert to allow itto fly and avoid obstacles and
predators. We need to become like the great
Forgive bird. We need to be able to filter out
all of the unnecessary information.
Because think about, especially as homeschoolers, we have all
this information coming at us ona daily basis from media, from
news, from social media, from our children, from our
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communities. And yet, so much of it is
important. We really have to consider, is
all of it necessary? God never meant for us to be
aware of everything going on in the world at every given moment,
right? Yes.
Don't stick your head in the sand.
Be aware, but choose wisely whatemails you subscribe to, what
platforms you use, who you follow, what news and media that
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you allow into your home. Become really picky about the
information coming into your ownmind and coming into your home
so that we can actually get to aplace where we can rest.
Right, that that is so good. And that that does take us to
that list. You have a whole chapter on
resting from information overload.
And I would say that's probably one of the, the biggest
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struggles we have today, more sothan they have in the past.
But So what you're saying we we do need to do the half brain
thing and not the kind of half brain thing that we live on
after we've just had a baby. This is a more intentional half
brain thing, right? Where where we be are being
intentional about what we're bringing into our minds.
And, and, and that sounds great,but you give really practical
tips in your book. You actually give a list of
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like, these are the things that are that are benefiting us.
And these are the things that are draining us.
These are the things that are producing rest in US.
And these are the things that are sucking the rest.
And you know, I think we're in this place where I know for me,
every podcast I listen to, I endup with a list of things I need
to go look up and research and find and read and do.
And it ends up being stressed, stressful, right?
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Or, you know, research and all these different things.
And so there's there's a great list.
And that was such a great chapter of being intentional.
I think that's the word being intentional with what we allow
into our minds. And those those things produce a
state of either rest or not rest, right?
We're in information overload right now.
And so that's a very practical thing you also talk about in the
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book, how the sounds of nature being in being outdoors, like
just the sounds of nature can bring us into a restful place.
And I found myself at one point where every time I would go out,
I'd put earbuds in to listen to a, a podcast or listen to
something. And I started realizing like,
I'm not, I'm, I'm not hearing the birds, I'm not hearing the,
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this, the wind and the breeze. And I end up getting home from
my hike completely stressed out because I'm, I'm giving my brain
information rather than a rest when I'm out there.
And so I agree, those are huge barriers.
So what, what would be? Because we're, we're getting to
the end. What would be your three most
practical tips? Just practical for moms to live
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a more restful life? Yeah.
OK. Let's start with the information
overload because like how can wereally actually do that, filter
out that information? And you talked about the list.
So really considering what booksare you reading, what
applications are you using, whatmedia accounts and even
communications with specific groups?
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Right. Go through that list, write down
those things that are feeding you information and ask
yourself, are they pointing yourattention to Jesus?
Are they life giving to mind andspirit?
Love it? Are they inspiring?
Do they encourage you? Are they wholesome?
Do they make you laugh? Do they keep you connected to
loved ones? Does that app actually help you
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stay connected with loved ones who are far away?
Or is it a distraction? Right.
And do they keep you informed oncritical things?
So one thing I do very specifically my home is I don't
avoid the news, but I'm very careful.
Basically, I only listen to Worldwatch news from a difficult
worldview with my children, and that's my news.
My husband stays a little more informed, so he'll let me know
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if there's things I need to know.
But I know that one of my propensities is to go down that
rabbit hole of fear and anxiety if I'm paying attention to
things that really aren't relevant to us.
So Worldwatch, let's miss stay informed, know what to pray for,
and then not be afraid of everything else.
And so asking yourself those questions.
Or is this thing the source of information leaving you anxious?
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Does it go against God's word? Is it completely unrelated to
you? Like maybe it's stealing your
attention from your kids, stealing your energy, stealing
your peace, and it is completelyunrelated to you.
Like, for example, what you know, your, your high school,
you know, best friend in high school had for dinner last
night, right? We're like, that's the kind of
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stuff we're watching, right? We're watching that on our phone
and now we're like, Oh my word, that's a beautiful dinner.
I and we go down this rabbit trail like, yes, that's not
applicable to my life. And it just sucked out of time
that I could be resting. Yeah, yeah.
Let me give a second practice you can do.
This is one of my favorites. Going back to the idea we spent
a whole week talking about, say,LA pauses, bringing rest into
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your daily life. One of my favorites is to recite
Psalm 23, whether it's out loud or in prayer.
And I will, you know, think about Psalm 23.
The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want.
I take those words. I shall not want, and I add them
at the end of every sentence or stanza.
The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want.
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He makes me lie down in green pastures.
I shall not want. He leads me besides still quiet.
That word means restful waters. I shall not want and you go
through the whole Psalm like this.
It just takes a few minutes, butfor one it it slows you for that
moment for sure brings you back to truth.
And one of the biggest things itdoes is when you repeat those
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words I shall not want. It's removing you from a place
of distraction and discontent, because distraction and
discontent, those are things that drive us toward hurry and
hustle. Thinking about your high school
friends dinner last night and oh, I should cook a fresh meal
tonight. I need to go to the store.
I need to get these ingredients.While I'm doing that, I should
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overhaul our diet. Are the kids eating too much
sugar? I should get back on that.
That if you give a mouse a muffin, right?
It's that book. It's that book every day of our
life. Yes, yes.
And so, yes, of course we shouldbe trying to better ourselves in
God's power, always asking how we can grow, how we can help our
children grow. But we need to push back against
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that FOMO and that discontent and that distraction.
And we can do that by reminding ourselves, oh, God leads us to
green pastures. God gives us everything we need.
I shall not want. I love it.
One thing that I learned well, not learn to do, but I'm not a
huge phone person, but I'm seeing everybody has their
calendars on their phone. And so the minute something
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comes up, people whip out their phone and like I'm available.
I can do that. And and one thing that's helped
me because I'm, I could deal with FOMO, right?
Everybody's making doing all these fun things.
And I, I've learned I don't everkeep a calendar with me.
And I always say, let me, you know, I keep my calendar on our
fridge. And so then when there's all
this happening, I can say, let me go home and check my calendar
and get back. That's how they used to do it,
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right? That's how they used to do it.
Let me go check my calendar and then that way I can get home and
I can really decide is that going to benefit me or do I just
want to BA because everybody wasall planning on doing it.
You know, even homeschool stuff.We're all going to the park.
Let me check my calendar when I get home.
And that way it gives me a pause.
I can think about it. I can look at our calendar, but
I see everybody whips out their phones.
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And then right then and there, they can put something on it,
but then you kind of can't get out of.
And I think if everybody would leave their calendars at home,
they might become less full, right?
And that would allow us more moments of rest.
And so there's just those littlepractical things that that I do
think the phone makes it very easy.
The device makes it very easy for us to have our rest robbed.
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And so the more we put that down, the more we have that
margin built in, right? Yeah, Yeah, I absolutely love
that place. And a pause before you commit
something on the calendar. And let's talk about calendars
for a moment. You asked for three packs.
I'm ready. OK.
It really does start with our calendar.
And you use the word margin because when we think about it,
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throughout history, in the biblical times, time was viewed
in these bigger chunks. Like there's a couple of words
in Scripture for hour and day, but they weren't hour and day
like we think about them. They were more abstract.
It was at this hour like we would say at this moment.
At this moment in time, right? Yeah.
And so what's happened throughout history and with the
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introduction of, you know, electrical lighting and light
bulbs is we have really whittledtime down to the tiniest
increments. The smallest measure of time is
a zeptosecond, which is an unthinkably small amount of
time, a fraction of a second, like inconceivable fraction of a
second. And so we've tried to whittle it
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all down and we try to shove ourcalendars and fit everything in
like a game of Tetris. Yep.
One thing we can do to build more rest in and space for rest
is to get back to larger time blocks.
And so if you know that an activity or a lesson is going to
take, say, 30 minutes, block outan hour for it.
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That's going to give you more time.
One for if that lesson leads to a really cool conversation with
your child, you're not going to be rushing to the next thing.
You have time to enter into those dialogues.
It also builds margin in so thatyour activities are not butt to
butt on the calendar. So that if you you know, if
someone can't find their right shoe or you're 5 minutes behind
or you hit 3 red lights, it's not as big of a deal.
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You're not set into hustle and hurry and speeding down the road
because but you have that marginbuilt in.
So just allow yourself to time block in larger.
And yes, and that will lead to such a more peaceful home school
because home school is home. When we, when we, when we
establish our life on this, thispattern of rest that God set up,
then we can establish our home school on this pattern of rest
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and we're going to have a more peaceful home school.
And that's ultimately the goal. Because I mean, for goodness
sake, peace is a fruit of the Spirit, right?
And peace comes from rest and trust.
And it's all just how God designed it.
And, and we have to be intentional.
We have to, we have to schedule in that margin for a while until
it becomes our own pattern, right?
And this is this is all such a beautiful thing.
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And I think that that every mom that's hearing this wants to
hear this. And they need to their, their,
their hearts and their souls arecraving this.
And what we're saying is this isimportant.
This is not only just a concept,but it's God's command, it's
God's design. And so we have to push back on
the hustle and bustle of the culture and we have to take back
our homes and, and we have the ability to do that because we're
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not our school days aren't dictated by bells and and
whistles to come in from recess and all those things.
We, we have such an incredible opportunity to work in this
pattern of rest because we homeschool and what a blessing
that is. So before, because we have to
wrap this up, we could, I could talk Aaron about this and with
you for days and days and days, but I'm going to just rapid
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fire. I'd love to just do some rapid
fire fun questions at the very end before we wrap this up.
So we're going to just go quick ready.
What is your favorite book? 2 for Nature, a San County
Almanac elderly apology. You would love it.
As a hunter, he talks beautifully about the rhythms of
the ecosystems of nature A Sand County Almanac.
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It's a classic in the naturalistrealm.
And then for theology, I love Sit, Walk, stand by watchman
knee a tiny little study on Ephesians.
OK, love it. OK, favorite quote you did in
Oswald Chambers 1 is that? Yeah, no, I was gonna share
that. I'm like, we already covered
that one, so I'm gonna share onethat I opened by second book
Rooted in Wonder with, and it's from Johannes Kepler.
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He was a late mathematician and scientist who used science to
point to God, and he wrote. Thus God himself was too kind to
remain idle and began to play a game of signatures, signing his
likeness into the world. Wow, oh that just get that's
beautiful. That's incredible.
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I love that and he did all of creation speaks his name right.
Favorite Bible verse? Goes right along with that
quote. Romans 120.
The God's invisible attributes, namely his eternal power and
divine nature, have been clearlyperceived ever since the
creation of the world and the things that have been made so
they are without excuse. I love that verse.
Favorite worship song? We're on a theme I love.
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This is my father's world. No, I love that one too.
OK, quickly, funniest moment in nature with your kids.
Oh, I hope I could do this quick.
We were camping this past weekend, so this one came right
to mind. OK, My husband and I slept in on
Saturday. That is a Sabbath ritual.
And so the kids actually, they're at the age where they
can go explore. So they go like they're climbing
over these rocks and then they come back and they're like, we
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found a dead animal. And I was like, OK, explain to
me this dead animal. And they're like, we think it's
a deer, but it has paws and it'shead is gone.
It's head is gone. So they can't identify it.
So I'm like, please take me to see this thing.
Their curiosity sparks my curiosity.
I go, sure enough, it is a dead Mountain Lion and we like showed
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the picture to a Ranger, which sparked his curiosity so that
he's like to my kids. He says, will you go take me to
this dead animal? And he confirmed that's what it
was. So like crazy story.
And thankfully like we knew our kids were safe too.
By the way, I know it sounds like, oh, they're in the rocks
and there's like we knew they were safe.
They were right by the campsite.They're together.
Our dog is there but like this crazy thing that just like their
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curiosity sparked my curiosity sparked the Rangers curiosity.
Curiosity to where? Like we had an incredible
conversation and learned all about being a Ranger out in the
wilderness over this dead Mountain Lion carcass.
Oh my goodness. And you know, what I love about
that is nobody picked up the phone and asked Siri.
It was a it was a series of discovering and interacting with
other human beings. And that's the beautiful thing
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when you put down the phone and go outside is you have to figure
some stuff out again. You have to look at what's
around you. You have to take the evidences
of, OK, it looks like a deer, but it has paws.
So it's obviously not a deer. And there's no Googling.
And I love that because our kidsbrains are being engaged, right?
Like that's, that's why we get to do.
That's why it's important we do what we do.
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OK, If moms could take one thingfrom this conversation, Aaron, I
mean, we've hit so much, but what would you hope that the
biggest take away for moms wouldbe when they when they hit pause
on this? Take a risk on rest.
God's design works and He will bless your efforts.
As messy as they are, He will bless them, yes.
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I love that and so that's the challenge.
That's the challenge we're goingto leave you with is trust the
Lord believe that his way works.Believe that he what he set into
motion. I mean, just as we say,
obviously one man, one woman, itworks, right?
It's no different with rest, right?
God's design and pattern for rest works and and give it a
chance. I love how you say that take a
risk. It feels risky, but take the
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risk and and God never fails us,right?
His word always is, is true and it is right And it it's always
it's the best way to do it. It won't ever fail us.
So this has been incredible. I want you to remind I'm going
to show the book one more time. If you're watching, it's
absolutely beautiful. Where can we get the book?
The Nature of Rest, What the Bible and creation teach us
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about Sabbath living is available wherever you buy
books, including Amazon or signed copies on my website,
Aaron linum ERYNLY n-um.com, andyou can find all my books there.
A bunch of free resources to getstarted taking your kids out in
creation and reconnecting the dots between creation and
creator activities. Devotionals.
Those are all free, as well as our podcast for families, Nat
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Theo Nature Lessons Rooted in the Bible, which is available
wherever you enjoy podcasts or write on our website.
I love it. Thank you, Aaron, you are a
blessing. And thank you for encouraging
and convicting and inspiring allof us to just walk in God's
Word. Thanks so much for joining us
today for the Schoolhouse Rockedpodcast.
We'd love to hear from you. If there's a topic you'd like us
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we're the Co host of the CultureProof podcast.
We want to invite you to join usevery week as we discuss what's
happening in the world and then filter those happenings through
a decidedly biblical lens. There are many questions,
especially when we see what's happening in our culture today,
but the answers are found withinthe word of God.
So that's where we want to look.Amen.
When we resist those cultural trends that rival the truth, we
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remain culture proof. My entire home school journey
has not been well. How do I figure out how to
juggle history with a third grader and a different history
with a first grader and a preschool with a preschooler?
We just all did the same thing together.
So when they were little, we didlike like all of our content
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area subjects together. But as my kids got older, they
knew what they wanted to study, and not everybody wanted to
study the same thing. So when they were younger, I was
like, OK, next year we're doing mythology, or next year we're
doing ancient history, or next year we're doing the American
Revolution or whatever it was. And I would kind of plan things
out. But as they got older, you know,
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I would have like 2 who were like, oh, we really want to do
botany, mom. And then this other one was
like, no, I don't want to do that.
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