March 18, 2025 • 35 mins
"Deconstruction is not merely examining my faith; it's a full acceptance of worldly terms to achieve certainty." ~ Dr. Renton Rathbun
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Explore the growing trend of deconstruction and its impact on today's youth in this eye-opening episode of the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast with guest, Renton Rathbun. Host Yvette Hampton delves into the meaning of deconstructing one's faith and how societal influences shape our children's beliefs. Learn how modern technology and education expose young minds to secular worldviews, leading to confusion and disillusionment about their faith. Discover insights on how parents can guide their children in maintaining a strong Biblical foundation and avoid the pitfalls of deconstruction.
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We are dying to be accepted. I mean, you know, even in, you
know, even adults, I mean, we blame kids for wanting to be
accepted in their little world. And, you know, their little
world seems ridiculous to us. Why would they'd want to be
accepted in this little group offriends?
That's so dumb. But we do this as adults.
We want to be accepted in the world.
We hate being called stupid. And so we're constantly fighting
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that desire to be accepted into a broader community.
Hey everyone, this is Yvette Hampton.
Welcome back to the Schoolhouse Rocks podcast.
I am so glad to be back with youthis week.
We have had so much fun having this team of hosts and I am
loving these ladies. I am loving getting to hear from
them. It's like a new podcast for me
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every time one of their episodescomes out because as you know,
like, I mean, I don't hear it. I don't ever hear the editing or
even the interviews. And so when they come out, it's
like a brand new podcast for me as well.
And so I have been so encouragedby them and I am certain that
you are too. I've heard from many of you and
I know that you're enjoying it and so we are loving it.
But I love being back with you and I'm so glad to be back with
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you this week and next week. I have rented Rathbun with me
again this week and he's been onthe podcast before and we've got
something really exciting to talk about over the next couple
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truth. Well, Renton, welcome back to
the Schoolhouse Rock podcast. I am so excited to have you
back. And man, I am excited about this
topic that we're going to be diving into.
We, we always pray about what itis the Lord wants us to talk
about on this podcast and we want to talk about things that
are meaningful to homeschool families specifically.
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And so as you and I were emailing back and forth and, you
know, I said, what are some things that you're passionate
about that that you want to bring to our audience?
And you said, let's talk about deconstructing of faith.
And this is so popular, I think among young people today.
And it's becoming more and more popular.
And so we're, we're going to tackle this because this is
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happening even in the homeschoolcommunity, in the Christian
community where young people areare, you know, in the high
school years and moving into their college years and into the
young adult years, sometimes even much later than that.
You know, older adults are just saying, you know what?
I don't really believe what I'vealways claimed to believe.
I don't think it's true anymore.And so we're going to dive into
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this. And so I want to 1st talk
through like, what, what is deconstruction?
What does that even mean? Because we're seeing it on
titles of books and we're seeingmovies about it, all sorts of
things. So maybe help us kind of unwrap
what deconstruction of the faithis?
OK, Well, thanks for having me on your show.
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When we start talking about deconstruction, I think there we
have to be clear about some differences.
Some people kind of think deconstruction is merely
examining someone's faith. And so is it really just
examining the faith and making sure this is really what I
believe, or is there something else going on?
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And so I think what we need to understand is deconstruction, as
we're going to talk about it, isnot merely examining my faith to
see if I really believe it, to see what the tenants of my
belief system are. There's something else going on.
And what I think deconstruction is in the end, when we get right
down to it, it's this full acceptance of the terms that the
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world has given us as to how we are to achieve certainty.
OK, so I'm going to say it one more time.
So deconstruction is the full acceptance of the terms that the
world has given us in order. How is it that we achieve
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certainty? So if I'm going to be certain of
something, what I'm saying is the world has created these
terms, has created a criteria for how you are to achieve
certainty. And based on those terms, our
children are trying to assess their faith.
And what I want to show you is those terms are deadly terms.
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You are trying to take terms that are ungodly to try and see
how your faith works, something that is godly.
And so that's really at the heart of what deconstructionism
is. OK, so, so let's let's park
there and let's talk about theseterms and what what are they?
How are they being used and how how are they messing with kids
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faith? I mean, you know, the enemy is
so clever, of course, in the waythat he works.
And so we we see this of course as an attack from the enemy,
talk through some of these termsthat are being used.
OK, so first of all, we have kind of given into the idea of
what certainty is supposed to be, and the world has told us
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what it's supposed to be. I mean, when you look at
Scripture, you know, you can look at the famous verse in
Hebrews 11. You know, what is faith?
It's the, you know, substance ofthings not seen and all those
sort of things. And we we look at faith as like
I am depending on something thatI can't see the world has taught
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us. And this goes back to a
philosopher named William James that a lot of Christians
unknowingly have bought into. But he has, you know, this idea
is that certainty is the psychological satisfaction that
comes from what I would call a condition set of of standards.
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So we have been conditioned for the set of standards that we
expect in order to be be certainthat we will get the
psychological feeling of satisfaction from.
And there are four things. The first thing is that we, we
have been trained by the world that we have to, we have to
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accept what is physical over what is supernatural.
So supernatural stuff that's formovies, that's for religion.
If you're not sure of what you believe, you have faith or
whatever, but real certainty comes from what's physical, the
physical world things. You can see, touch, feel.
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Absolutely. Now feel, you said feel at the
end there. That's going to be super
important. The world has worked very hard
in getting us to this. Because the second thing is
this, we have to, the criteria has to involve some kind of
permission granting that we are given permission.
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Have you heard that before wherepeople say, you know, I just, I
just give it, you know, when I had that experience, I was just
given permission to do whatever given.
So the world wants us to have something that gives us
permission to obey our bodies. Our bodies are desirous to to
flow into three different categories.
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As the Bible says, lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and
the pride of life. That's what our bodies are
always driven towards. And what the world wants us to
believe is that if you're going to be certain of something,
there's very little you can be certain of unless you feel
something, right? No one understands what you're
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feeling, but you, you understandwhat you're feeling and it's the
only real thing you can possiblyknow is what you're feeling.
So if you feel that you're not the right gender, if you feel
that you are attracted to the same sex, if you have these
feelings of, of desire towards something that has been
forbidden, you need something that's going to give you
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permission to obey what your body wants.
So those are the 1st 2. So first thing, we believe in
the physical over the supernatural.
Second thing, we want permissionto obey our bodies and #3 we
want some kind of acceptance into a broader community.
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We are dying to be accepted. I mean, you know, even in, you
know, even adults, I mean, we blame kids for wanting to be
accepted in their little world. And you know, their little world
seems ridiculous to us. Why would they'd want to be
accepted in this little group offriends?
It's so dumb. But we do this as adults.
We want to be accepted in the world.
We hate being called stupid. You know, in the world of
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academia, we're always trying tofind a way to be respected with
our with our brains in the worldof religion.
We want to, we want the world tosee that we are tolerant.
We're not angry and hateful towards the world.
And so we're constantly fightingthat desire to be accepted into
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a broader community, a communitythat will accept us, but only
upon condition of the 1st 2, right?
And so then the fourth thing is that we have to the world wants
us to demean the familiar. Those things that are familiar
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to us can't be right, because that's what your parents told
you. That's what the you know, that's
what you grew up believing in your naive world.
And so whatever is familiar to you, which is usually
Christianity, what your parents have told you, everything sounds
like a cliche now, because you know, the, you know, you've had
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the same pastor for, you know, 15 years and he has this pattern
of talk and these terms. And so all that stuff is the
familiar. And so if we demean the
familiar, I mean, we, it, it never, it, it rarely occurs to a
young person that that which is familiar actually might be true.
What occurs to them is that which is familiar is probably
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wrong. And the new thing, the thing I
never thought of, is the great enlightenment moment.
And when I'm enlightened, it's new, it's fresh, it's.
Exciting. Yes.
And so that's. So if I could go over that
criteria, it's those four things.
The physical will tell me what'sreal, my body will tell me
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what's real and I need permission to obey it and I need
to be accepted into a broader community.
And I and I and I need to start despising what I've grown up
believing. Whatever's familiar needs to be
despised so that I can have roomfor enlightenment.
And those four things I believe are the criteria that the world
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has taught our children is the way to reach true, true
certainty in this world. Because if you, if you look at
the movies that they're watching, this pattern comes up
every time, whether it's a Disney movie or Pixar movie or
whatever it is, even even books that are made for children.
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I mean, that's what makes these homeschool conferences so
amazing as you get to go and seemedia that's designed around
God's word, or at least principles from God's word.
Because everything else out there, you know, you think,
well, they didn't swear there was no, you know, bad scenes or
whatever. But the underlining philosophies
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that are teaching these kids thefamiliar is boring.
Walk away. I mean, does does Beauty and the
Beast teach you anything more than they had a whole song about
how how boring this whole world that you grew up in is?
You need something more exciting.
And at the end, she doesn't evenlearn that that's bad.
She she learns. That it does encourage reading
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though. Yeah, and that's nice.
But they, you know, and, you know, at the end, you know, she
was smarter than everybody. Everyone was an idiot but her.
And you know, you know, chasing a beast was the right thing to
do. So, So what I you know, when you
look at these movies, you can see this criteria.
May they All four may not be there, but some, one of them at
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least, will be there in movies made by unbelievers.
Yeah, yeah, some aspect of it for sure.
It's in everything. I mean, it's in the music that
we listen to. And you can't get away from it,
you know? I mean, even you, you go out, we
would go out in public and we would hear a song in a
restaurant or something and my girls would be singing along,
especially my oldest. I mean, she's she has this
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ability to hear a song twice andshe knows like every lyric to
it. I'm like, how do you know this
song? We don't listen to this.
And she's like, I hear it when we're out and about.
You know, it's playing in the restaurants, it's playing at the
stores. But yeah, I mean, our kids are
inundated with this secular world view.
That's really what all of this is.
And we have been inundated with this for a long time.
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But what is it that makes this generation, today's kids, unique
in this? Because I feel like, you know,
I, I interviewed Isaac Tolpen a few months ago and he was
talking about we are just in unprecedented times with our
kids today. We really are with social media,
with TV, with books, with music,with all of the things we've
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always had Satan on the prowl and on the attack of families.
But there's something about thisgeneration of kids that are up
and coming and, you know, I wantto say maybe like millennials
and below that have been greatlyimpacted by this secular world
view. What is it that makes this
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generation so unique in this? You know, every and let me just
say every generation thinks the one coming up are terrible.
I mean, I mean, I think if you go back, everyone thinks, oh,
what's wrong with these kids? They're it's terrible And and I
get that. However, there is something
different if you look at how technology changed in the year
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2008. In 2008, the smartphone came out
and not everyone could afford ityet.
But if you look, even Netflix has done a special on what has
happened to young people since 2008.
When the cell phone came out, Suicide went up, people
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depression went up. Pills that kids that kids take,
they got, they got younger and younger that kids were taking
these antidepressant pills and all this other stuff.
And what I think is going on is that we have kids that were just
like us when we were little, butnow they have technology that is
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so easy to bring in sin. I mean, if, if you were a kid,
you know, when I was a little kid, you know, in the 80s, if
you wanted to see, you know, pornography, you had to go to a
gas station. You had to embarrass yourself by
grabbing the magazine and buyingit in front of the guy and all
that sort of stuff. And it just wasn't worth it.
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Now you have 6th graders that are being handed smartphones
because mom and dad are worried,you know, the kids going to be
out, you know, playing sports orsomething or with their friends.
How am I going to get a hold of them?
And so this phone ends up in their hands and not you now have
access not just all the pornography in the world, but
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you have access to everyone's thoughts that they are posting
online, everyone's images that they're posting online.
Now you have pressure to post something interesting online.
And the technology has gotten our kids to see things that they
were never meant to see. I mean, at all, let alone at
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that age. And so they've, there's this
false sense of maturity, this this fake maturity of because
I've seen this thing, it's changed me.
And I think they think that's maturity, but what it really is,
is damage that has been done to a young person who has been
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exposed to something they never should have been exposed to in
the 1st place, especially at that age where they can't have.
They don't have the categories to really deal with it.
And so with all of that, yes, wehave a very different generation
that is that's in desperate needof adults.
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And we have technology that is separating us more and more.
That's such a good point about kids feeling like they are so
much more mature and, you know, they know all the things now
because they really do know a lot of things.
You know, the things that my girls have come to me with
questions that they've come to me with.
I mean, I, I, we have a very open relationship with our
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girls. And so I've always told them
since they were itty bitty, you can ask me any question.
There's nothing in the world that's going to surprise me and
there's no question that I won'tanswer.
And it's appropriate time, but they'll come to me with
questions and I'm like, where doyou, where did that question
even come from? I mean, I never, you know, make
them feel badly for it. But I'm thinking these are
questions I didn't ask some of them till I was married.
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And my teenagers are asking these questions because they're
things that they're exposed to. And we're very careful about
what our kids are exposed to. But still they're talking with
other friends at, at homeschool Co-op and at church and other
places. And they, their curiosity gets
to them and they're like, mom, what about this or this or this?
And I'm like, what? You know, it's so it's
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overwhelming really. And so, I mean, it really is
there no wonder that this generation of kids are confused,
they're disillusioned. They, they don't know sometimes
what's right, what's wrong, what's up, what's down.
And, and so we have a big job todo as parents.
And it's one of the reasons, of course, why we are grateful to
homeschool because we have so much more influence in our kids
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We're back with Renton. Renton let's we, we're talking
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about deconstruction and deconstructing our faith and
kind of going back to what we were talking about in the first
part of this episode is that it really is very attractive to
young people to deconstruct their faith.
And I think some of it is like, well, it's the cool thing to do.
You were talking about how, you know what one of the conditions
of deconstructing is that kids want to feel like they fit in.
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And so maybe that's one of the things.
But I want from your point of view, from in your opinion, why
do you think it is that it's so attractive to young people today
to deconstruct their faith? Well, when you spend a lot of
time avoiding reality. So the technology that we had
talked about before is a way of escaping the real.
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Even even though social media seems real, there's very little
real about social media. And there's there is something
that your brain goes through while you're scrolling.
It is, it is no longer connectedto this world.
Even though you think you're connected to the world 'cause
you're seeing images and videos of people in the world, you're
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not connected to what is around you and how to think about
what's around you. And what you end up doing is
escaping so often into fantasy that reality no longer looks
real. Fantasy starts looking real.
So you can, you can. I mean, with all the media we
have, you go from watching a movie.
And nowadays we're just lucky ifthey're, if they're going to sit
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there and watch a movie without looking at their phone and then
looking at the movie. And then then if you know, don't
get me started on video games and the escapism that video
games offers that takes you out of out of the real world.
And so you do that long enough and you start to get conditioned
that there is there are these ways to know something.
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Because I'm telling you, you know, young people feel this.
We feel this. There is an uneasiness within us
when it comes to our faith. And that's why it is, you know,
we asked the Lord to finish yourwork that you did in me.
That means take me to the end, Lord, because it's going to be
hard. And it's hard because we, you
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know, if we're honest with ourselves and honest with our
children, we have doubts. And those doubts are painful.
And what we want is that certainty.
And the world says, this is the way you are certain.
It's through this. And so there's a way to relieve
that stress. If I can be certain about my
faith, with the terms that the world has given me about how to
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be certain, then I will be relieved.
There are people out there that think I'm an idiot for believing
in the Bible. I want relief from that
embarrassment by having some wayto to look at the world and be
certain about the world. And I am so tired of fighting my
body. Kids today, we're just like us.
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We had hormones when we were kids.
We had, we know we had this drive going through us just just
just like they do. But what they have is an entire
world telling them what to do with that drive.
And that that drive is the is the real you.
They're not saying, I mean, because just to be clear, you
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and I may have grown up believing something about who we
were that also had a drive, thatalso had desires.
Kids today are being taught those desires, those drives in
you. That is you.
You're not a person that has drives.
You are the drive. And so once they start believing
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that they're start, they start thinking, if I change my drive,
I'm not me anymore. And they need that relief.
And So what the reason why deconstructionism is so tempting
to these kids is the same reasonthat Eve was tempted by the
snake. The snake says God is holding
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out on you. There is something good out
there that he's not letting you have.
You take this fruit and you'll have it.
That tension is relieved if you take that fruit.
And that's the world is saying the same thing.
If you deconstruct, you'll have a more certain understanding of
the world. You'll relieve yourself of the
of fighting your body and you won't be embarrassed anymore.
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You'll be accepted and so if youdo this, you will be rewarded.
Yeah, yeah, it it really is validating their sin is what
they want to do. And I mean, it's what we.
I shouldn't say that it's not just young people, it's
humankind, right? We want to validate us and we
want to justify the things that we want to do.
And because we live in the worldthat we live in today, so often
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it's the Christians who are not validated in their belief of God
and Christianity in God's word. And you know, so they're the
ones who are being pushed to theside saying no, no, no, what you
believe is not right. And, and yeah, I, I think
that's, it's so eye opening to just see like, OK, if I can sin
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and be accepted in my sin, then all is well.
Sadly, we know from God's Word that sin causes great
destruction and great pain and so on.
You know, I've told my girls, sometimes sin in the moment is
really fun. Sometimes it's really satisfying
and really enjoyable in a lot ofdifferent ways.
But in the end, there's no satisfaction in going against
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what God has called us to be andto do as as his children, as
believers. And so, but it's hard to
convince kids sometimes that that's the truth, so.
One way I've I've thought about it and told others to think
about it this way. When you're in the cold for a
long, when you're out in the cold for a long time and you
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finally are LED in to the heat of the, of your house, you feel
warm. It's this incredible relief and
what a lot of and, and sin does that, you know, sin says, I will
give you relief because of this tension that's in you, your
body. You know, you have tension in
your body because you're resisting something your body
wants. There's tension in your brain
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because your brain wants, wants certainty in a different way
than what the Bible says. There is certainty and all that
tension can be relieved. And so they go into the house
and they feel that relief. But what happens?
You get used to the heat. It's not, you know, it's not
that you get actual satisfaction.
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You just get relief and then it go, you know, the relief goes
away and now what used to be so attractive is now just everyday
normal now. And so you find that emptiness
is still there. You got some relief, but now you
want, you need something else and then you need something
else. And what Satan is so good at is
he'll keep promising you. OK, you know, it didn't work
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this time, but if you do this other thing, then it will work.
Just try one more thing, one more thing.
And we just keep following it like a carrot on a stick.
Yeah, yeah. We we, we become numb to the
conviction, you know, we just nolonger listen to it.
I think often times in the beginning of moving into a
sinful life because there's a difference between being sinful
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and living in sin. Everyone is sinful, but not
everyone chooses to live in sin day by day.
And for those who choose to livein sin, day by day, they just
push, push away their conscience, they push away the
Holy Spirit to the point where it just doesn't even bother them
anymore. And it's a very, very dangerous
place to be and, and scary to see people moving into that kind
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of a lifestyle because it takes a whole lot, you know, and the
Lord is good, He is faithful, Hecan, he can bring anybody back.
But man, it it is really hard towatch people walk that line of 1
foot in the world if I'm a Christian and then the other
foot in the world of but I really like this sinful life
that I'm living. Yeah, well, isn't that, you know
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what you're talking about? Is, is what the at the end of
that carrot? You know, when when Satan is
tempting our kids, what he's what he's offering them isn't
merely you know, he's not sayingwalk away from the faith.
He's saying just what he said toto Eve.
You can have both. Right.
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Yeah. You can.
You can have this thing and feelrelief and still be a Christian.
You can, you know, your parents have an old fashioned idea of
Christianity. If you deconstruct this right,
you can really see what's at thecore of your certainty about
Christianity, what the good parts are that really makes
sense to you. And then you can obey your body
too. And you can have both.
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And this is where, you know, this is where you get all those
terms like gay Christianity and,and the new one that's coming
out, trans Christianity and whatever, whatever adjectives,
you know, that you need to, to mix, you know, God with sin.
They have it. And and that's the promise, you
can have both. Yeah, yeah.
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Scary. It's a scary place to be.
Well, we've got lots more to talk about, but we are out of
time. Renton, you have a new podcast
called the Renton Rathbun Podcast.
I love the name. It's very, very creative.
I have not listened to it because I just found out this
morning that this podcast even existed.
And so tell us just really quickly about the podcast.
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Yes, it's, it's a brand new podcast.
So there's, there's a reason whyI haven't heard of it, but it's
called the Rent and Rathbun show.
It's a, it's designed for parents and grandparents.
And even if you just mentor people, it's designed for you to
make you aware of world views that have raised itself up
against the knowledge of God andhow to respond to it biblically.
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It is it's it's unscripted, unedited and raw.
So I think he'll be entertainingat least.
Yeah, very cool. So all those bloopers, no one
gets to edit those out. They're just there.
They press record and we find out what happens an hour later.
That's. So funny, I can't even imagine.
Well, I shouldn't say that Garrett, he's an amazing editor
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and I mean, he's just incredibleat producing the Schoolhouse
Rock podcast. And I always just tell him just
make me sound smart. Just delete all the dumb stuff
that I say. And he's really good at that.
Sometimes he'll be like, I just deleted out that entire
connection that you recorded because it was not good.
It was a good. And so I, I would, but we have,
we've done 2 live conference, online conferences.
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And that's what that is. I mean, it's just, it's live,
actual live. And so if I say something dumb,
which I have said lots of dumb stuff, it's it's on the Internet
forever. That's right, it never forgets.
Doesn't. No, no.
But you know what? Like thinking through social
media and stuff, you know, we always want to put our best foot
forward and we want people to see the the pretty and the good
and the beautiful sight of us. I think it's good for people
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sometimes to see that. We flub stuff all the time.
So I know we we need to do a bloopers reel at some point of
all the silly things I've said and and comments I've made and
stuff. So we probably won't.
So don't, don't look for that. Well, the key is not to be
sponsored by anybody so that that way you don't have to do
commercials and, you know, be able to read through stuff
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because I'd make a million mistakes on that.
We're. Just yeah, we're.
Just out there, you know, So yes.
No one cares about us. No no.
Speaking of sponsorship, so I know that you work for a BJU
Press homeschool. Is the Rent and Rathbund podcast
a part of the BJU homeschool ministry or how does that all
work together? Yeah.
(32:08):
So what we're doing is we reallywant to reach out to parents in
a very direct way. And so this is one of those
tools we're using to reach out to parents.
So you can find. So right now you can find it on
any podcasting system, you can find on YouTube or whatever.
We're going to be developing a website soon that you, you know,
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be kind of be our hub. But until then, you just go to
rathman.com and check it all out.
OK, awesome. We will put those links in the
show notes. You guys.
Thank you so much for being withus today and this week.
We will be back with you next Tuesday back with Renton.
And we'll talk more about our kids deconstructing their faith.
And we'll, we'll really hit on how we as parents can prevent
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At least do our very best to prevent them from doing that.
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truth. Well, Renton, welcome back to
the Schoolhouse Rock podcast. I am so excited to have you
back. And man, I am excited about this
topic that we're going to be diving into.
We, we always pray about what itis the Lord wants us to talk
about on this podcast and we want to talk about things that
are meaningful to homeschool families specifically.
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And so as you and I were emailing back and forth and, you
know, I said, what are some things that you're passionate
about that that you want to bring to our audience?
And you said, let's talk about deconstructing of faith.
And this is so popular, I think among young people today.
And it's becoming more and more popular.
And so we're, we're going to tackle this because this is
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happening even in the homeschoolcommunity, in the Christian
community where young people areare, you know, in the high
school years and moving into their college years and into the
young adult years, sometimes even much later than that.
You know, older adults are just saying, you know what?
I don't really believe what I'vealways claimed to believe.
I don't think it's true anymore.And so we're going to dive into
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this. And so I want to 1st talk
through like, what, what is deconstruction?
What does that even mean? Because we're seeing it on
titles of books and we're seeingmovies about it, all sorts of
things. So maybe help us kind of unwrap
what deconstruction of the faithis?
OK, Well, thanks for having me on your show.
(03:38):
When we start talking about deconstruction, I think there we
have to be clear about some differences.
Some people kind of think deconstruction is merely
examining someone's faith. And so is it really just
examining the faith and making sure this is really what I
believe, or is there something else going on?
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And so I think what we need to understand is deconstruction, as
we're going to talk about it, isnot merely examining my faith to
see if I really believe it, to see what the tenants of my
belief system are. There's something else going on.
And what I think deconstruction is in the end, when we get right
down to it, it's this full acceptance of the terms that the
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world has given us as to how we are to achieve certainty.
OK, so I'm going to say it one more time.
So deconstruction is the full acceptance of the terms that the
world has given us in order. How is it that we achieve
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certainty? So if I'm going to be certain of
something, what I'm saying is the world has created these
terms, has created a criteria for how you are to achieve
certainty. And based on those terms, our
children are trying to assess their faith.
And what I want to show you is those terms are deadly terms.
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You are trying to take terms that are ungodly to try and see
how your faith works, something that is godly.
And so that's really at the heart of what deconstructionism
is. OK, so, so let's let's park
there and let's talk about theseterms and what what are they?
How are they being used and how how are they messing with kids
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faith? I mean, you know, the enemy is
so clever, of course, in the waythat he works.
And so we we see this of course as an attack from the enemy,
talk through some of these termsthat are being used.
OK, so first of all, we have kind of given into the idea of
what certainty is supposed to be, and the world has told us
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what it's supposed to be. I mean, when you look at
Scripture, you know, you can look at the famous verse in
Hebrews 11. You know, what is faith?
It's the, you know, substance ofthings not seen and all those
sort of things. And we we look at faith as like
I am depending on something thatI can't see the world has taught
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us. And this goes back to a
philosopher named William James that a lot of Christians
unknowingly have bought into. But he has, you know, this idea
is that certainty is the psychological satisfaction that
comes from what I would call a condition set of of standards.
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So we have been conditioned for the set of standards that we
expect in order to be be certainthat we will get the
psychological feeling of satisfaction from.
And there are four things. The first thing is that we, we
have been trained by the world that we have to, we have to
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accept what is physical over what is supernatural.
So supernatural stuff that's formovies, that's for religion.
If you're not sure of what you believe, you have faith or
whatever, but real certainty comes from what's physical, the
physical world things. You can see, touch, feel.
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Absolutely. Now feel, you said feel at the
end there. That's going to be super
important. The world has worked very hard
in getting us to this. Because the second thing is
this, we have to, the criteria has to involve some kind of
permission granting that we are given permission.
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Have you heard that before wherepeople say, you know, I just, I
just give it, you know, when I had that experience, I was just
given permission to do whatever given.
So the world wants us to have something that gives us
permission to obey our bodies. Our bodies are desirous to to
flow into three different categories.
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As the Bible says, lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and
the pride of life. That's what our bodies are
always driven towards. And what the world wants us to
believe is that if you're going to be certain of something,
there's very little you can be certain of unless you feel
something, right? No one understands what you're
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feeling, but you, you understandwhat you're feeling and it's the
only real thing you can possiblyknow is what you're feeling.
So if you feel that you're not the right gender, if you feel
that you are attracted to the same sex, if you have these
feelings of, of desire towards something that has been
forbidden, you need something that's going to give you
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permission to obey what your body wants.
So those are the 1st 2. So first thing, we believe in
the physical over the supernatural.
Second thing, we want permissionto obey our bodies and #3 we
want some kind of acceptance into a broader community.
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We are dying to be accepted. I mean, you know, even in, you
know, even adults, I mean, we blame kids for wanting to be
accepted in their little world. And you know, their little world
seems ridiculous to us. Why would they'd want to be
accepted in this little group offriends?
It's so dumb. But we do this as adults.
We want to be accepted in the world.
We hate being called stupid. You know, in the world of
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academia, we're always trying tofind a way to be respected with
our with our brains in the worldof religion.
We want to, we want the world tosee that we are tolerant.
We're not angry and hateful towards the world.
And so we're constantly fightingthat desire to be accepted into
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a broader community, a communitythat will accept us, but only
upon condition of the 1st 2, right?
And so then the fourth thing is that we have to the world wants
us to demean the familiar. Those things that are familiar
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to us can't be right, because that's what your parents told
you. That's what the you know, that's
what you grew up believing in your naive world.
And so whatever is familiar to you, which is usually
Christianity, what your parents have told you, everything sounds
like a cliche now, because you know, the, you know, you've had
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the same pastor for, you know, 15 years and he has this pattern
of talk and these terms. And so all that stuff is the
familiar. And so if we demean the
familiar, I mean, we, it, it never, it, it rarely occurs to a
young person that that which is familiar actually might be true.
What occurs to them is that which is familiar is probably
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wrong. And the new thing, the thing I
never thought of, is the great enlightenment moment.
And when I'm enlightened, it's new, it's fresh, it's.
Exciting. Yes.
And so that's. So if I could go over that
criteria, it's those four things.
The physical will tell me what'sreal, my body will tell me
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what's real and I need permission to obey it and I need
to be accepted into a broader community.
And I and I and I need to start despising what I've grown up
believing. Whatever's familiar needs to be
despised so that I can have roomfor enlightenment.
And those four things I believe are the criteria that the world
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has taught our children is the way to reach true, true
certainty in this world. Because if you, if you look at
the movies that they're watching, this pattern comes up
every time, whether it's a Disney movie or Pixar movie or
whatever it is, even even books that are made for children.
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I mean, that's what makes these homeschool conferences so
amazing as you get to go and seemedia that's designed around
God's word, or at least principles from God's word.
Because everything else out there, you know, you think,
well, they didn't swear there was no, you know, bad scenes or
whatever. But the underlining philosophies
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that are teaching these kids thefamiliar is boring.
Walk away. I mean, does does Beauty and the
Beast teach you anything more than they had a whole song about
how how boring this whole world that you grew up in is?
You need something more exciting.
And at the end, she doesn't evenlearn that that's bad.
She she learns. That it does encourage reading
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though. Yeah, and that's nice.
But they, you know, and, you know, at the end, you know, she
was smarter than everybody. Everyone was an idiot but her.
And you know, you know, chasing a beast was the right thing to
do. So, So what I you know, when you
look at these movies, you can see this criteria.
May they All four may not be there, but some, one of them at
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least, will be there in movies made by unbelievers.
Yeah, yeah, some aspect of it for sure.
It's in everything. I mean, it's in the music that
we listen to. And you can't get away from it,
you know? I mean, even you, you go out, we
would go out in public and we would hear a song in a
restaurant or something and my girls would be singing along,
especially my oldest. I mean, she's she has this
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ability to hear a song twice andshe knows like every lyric to
it. I'm like, how do you know this
song? We don't listen to this.
And she's like, I hear it when we're out and about.
You know, it's playing in the restaurants, it's playing at the
stores. But yeah, I mean, our kids are
inundated with this secular world view.
That's really what all of this is.
And we have been inundated with this for a long time.
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But what is it that makes this generation, today's kids, unique
in this? Because I feel like, you know,
I, I interviewed Isaac Tolpen a few months ago and he was
talking about we are just in unprecedented times with our
kids today. We really are with social media,
with TV, with books, with music,with all of the things we've
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always had Satan on the prowl and on the attack of families.
But there's something about thisgeneration of kids that are up
and coming and, you know, I wantto say maybe like millennials
and below that have been greatlyimpacted by this secular world
view. What is it that makes this
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generation so unique in this? You know, every and let me just
say every generation thinks the one coming up are terrible.
I mean, I mean, I think if you go back, everyone thinks, oh,
what's wrong with these kids? They're it's terrible And and I
get that. However, there is something
different if you look at how technology changed in the year
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2008. In 2008, the smartphone came out
and not everyone could afford ityet.
But if you look, even Netflix has done a special on what has
happened to young people since 2008.
When the cell phone came out, Suicide went up, people
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depression went up. Pills that kids that kids take,
they got, they got younger and younger that kids were taking
these antidepressant pills and all this other stuff.
And what I think is going on is that we have kids that were just
like us when we were little, butnow they have technology that is
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so easy to bring in sin. I mean, if, if you were a kid,
you know, when I was a little kid, you know, in the 80s, if
you wanted to see, you know, pornography, you had to go to a
gas station. You had to embarrass yourself by
grabbing the magazine and buyingit in front of the guy and all
that sort of stuff. And it just wasn't worth it.
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Now you have 6th graders that are being handed smartphones
because mom and dad are worried,you know, the kids going to be
out, you know, playing sports orsomething or with their friends.
How am I going to get a hold of them?
And so this phone ends up in their hands and not you now have
access not just all the pornography in the world, but
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you have access to everyone's thoughts that they are posting
online, everyone's images that they're posting online.
Now you have pressure to post something interesting online.
And the technology has gotten our kids to see things that they
were never meant to see. I mean, at all, let alone at
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that age. And so they've, there's this
false sense of maturity, this this fake maturity of because
I've seen this thing, it's changed me.
And I think they think that's maturity, but what it really is,
is damage that has been done to a young person who has been
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exposed to something they never should have been exposed to in
the 1st place, especially at that age where they can't have.
They don't have the categories to really deal with it.
And so with all of that, yes, wehave a very different generation
that is that's in desperate needof adults.
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And we have technology that is separating us more and more.
That's such a good point about kids feeling like they are so
much more mature and, you know, they know all the things now
because they really do know a lot of things.
You know, the things that my girls have come to me with
questions that they've come to me with.
I mean, I, I, we have a very open relationship with our
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girls. And so I've always told them
since they were itty bitty, you can ask me any question.
There's nothing in the world that's going to surprise me and
there's no question that I won'tanswer.
And it's appropriate time, but they'll come to me with
questions and I'm like, where doyou, where did that question
even come from? I mean, I never, you know, make
them feel badly for it. But I'm thinking these are
questions I didn't ask some of them till I was married.
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And my teenagers are asking these questions because they're
things that they're exposed to. And we're very careful about
what our kids are exposed to. But still they're talking with
other friends at, at homeschool Co-op and at church and other
places. And they, their curiosity gets
to them and they're like, mom, what about this or this or this?
And I'm like, what? You know, it's so it's
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overwhelming really. And so, I mean, it really is
there no wonder that this generation of kids are confused,
they're disillusioned. They, they don't know sometimes
what's right, what's wrong, what's up, what's down.
And, and so we have a big job todo as parents.
And it's one of the reasons, of course, why we are grateful to
homeschool because we have so much more influence in our kids
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about deconstruction and deconstructing our faith and
kind of going back to what we were talking about in the first
part of this episode is that it really is very attractive to
young people to deconstruct their faith.
And I think some of it is like, well, it's the cool thing to do.
You were talking about how, you know what one of the conditions
of deconstructing is that kids want to feel like they fit in.
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And so maybe that's one of the things.
But I want from your point of view, from in your opinion, why
do you think it is that it's so attractive to young people today
to deconstruct their faith? Well, when you spend a lot of
time avoiding reality. So the technology that we had
talked about before is a way of escaping the real.
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Even even though social media seems real, there's very little
real about social media. And there's there is something
that your brain goes through while you're scrolling.
It is, it is no longer connectedto this world.
Even though you think you're connected to the world 'cause
you're seeing images and videos of people in the world, you're
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not connected to what is around you and how to think about
what's around you. And what you end up doing is
escaping so often into fantasy that reality no longer looks
real. Fantasy starts looking real.
So you can, you can. I mean, with all the media we
have, you go from watching a movie.
And nowadays we're just lucky ifthey're, if they're going to sit
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there and watch a movie without looking at their phone and then
looking at the movie. And then then if you know, don't
get me started on video games and the escapism that video
games offers that takes you out of out of the real world.
And so you do that long enough and you start to get conditioned
that there is there are these ways to know something.
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Because I'm telling you, you know, young people feel this.
We feel this. There is an uneasiness within us
when it comes to our faith. And that's why it is, you know,
we asked the Lord to finish yourwork that you did in me.
That means take me to the end, Lord, because it's going to be
hard. And it's hard because we, you
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know, if we're honest with ourselves and honest with our
children, we have doubts. And those doubts are painful.
And what we want is that certainty.
And the world says, this is the way you are certain.
It's through this. And so there's a way to relieve
that stress. If I can be certain about my
faith, with the terms that the world has given me about how to
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be certain, then I will be relieved.
There are people out there that think I'm an idiot for believing
in the Bible. I want relief from that
embarrassment by having some wayto to look at the world and be
certain about the world. And I am so tired of fighting my
body. Kids today, we're just like us.
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We had hormones when we were kids.
We had, we know we had this drive going through us just just
just like they do. But what they have is an entire
world telling them what to do with that drive.
And that that drive is the is the real you.
They're not saying, I mean, because just to be clear, you
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and I may have grown up believing something about who we
were that also had a drive, thatalso had desires.
Kids today are being taught those desires, those drives in
you. That is you.
You're not a person that has drives.
You are the drive. And so once they start believing
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that they're start, they start thinking, if I change my drive,
I'm not me anymore. And they need that relief.
And So what the reason why deconstructionism is so tempting
to these kids is the same reasonthat Eve was tempted by the
snake. The snake says God is holding
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out on you. There is something good out
there that he's not letting you have.
You take this fruit and you'll have it.
That tension is relieved if you take that fruit.
And that's the world is saying the same thing.
If you deconstruct, you'll have a more certain understanding of
the world. You'll relieve yourself of the
of fighting your body and you won't be embarrassed anymore.
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You'll be accepted and so if youdo this, you will be rewarded.
Yeah, yeah, it it really is validating their sin is what
they want to do. And I mean, it's what we.
I shouldn't say that it's not just young people, it's
humankind, right? We want to validate us and we
want to justify the things that we want to do.
And because we live in the worldthat we live in today, so often
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it's the Christians who are not validated in their belief of God
and Christianity in God's word. And you know, so they're the
ones who are being pushed to theside saying no, no, no, what you
believe is not right. And, and yeah, I, I think
that's, it's so eye opening to just see like, OK, if I can sin
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and be accepted in my sin, then all is well.
Sadly, we know from God's Word that sin causes great
destruction and great pain and so on.
You know, I've told my girls, sometimes sin in the moment is
really fun. Sometimes it's really satisfying
and really enjoyable in a lot ofdifferent ways.
But in the end, there's no satisfaction in going against
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what God has called us to be andto do as as his children, as
believers. And so, but it's hard to
convince kids sometimes that that's the truth, so.
One way I've I've thought about it and told others to think
about it this way. When you're in the cold for a
long, when you're out in the cold for a long time and you
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finally are LED in to the heat of the, of your house, you feel
warm. It's this incredible relief and
what a lot of and, and sin does that, you know, sin says, I will
give you relief because of this tension that's in you, your
body. You know, you have tension in
your body because you're resisting something your body
wants. There's tension in your brain
(26:43):
because your brain wants, wants certainty in a different way
than what the Bible says. There is certainty and all that
tension can be relieved. And so they go into the house
and they feel that relief. But what happens?
You get used to the heat. It's not, you know, it's not
that you get actual satisfaction.
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You just get relief and then it go, you know, the relief goes
away and now what used to be so attractive is now just everyday
normal now. And so you find that emptiness
is still there. You got some relief, but now you
want, you need something else and then you need something
else. And what Satan is so good at is
he'll keep promising you. OK, you know, it didn't work
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this time, but if you do this other thing, then it will work.
Just try one more thing, one more thing.
And we just keep following it like a carrot on a stick.
Yeah, yeah. We we, we become numb to the
conviction, you know, we just nolonger listen to it.
I think often times in the beginning of moving into a
sinful life because there's a difference between being sinful
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and living in sin. Everyone is sinful, but not
everyone chooses to live in sin day by day.
And for those who choose to livein sin, day by day, they just
push, push away their conscience, they push away the
Holy Spirit to the point where it just doesn't even bother them
anymore. And it's a very, very dangerous
place to be and, and scary to see people moving into that kind
(28:11):
of a lifestyle because it takes a whole lot, you know, and the
Lord is good, He is faithful, Hecan, he can bring anybody back.
But man, it it is really hard towatch people walk that line of 1
foot in the world if I'm a Christian and then the other
foot in the world of but I really like this sinful life
that I'm living. Yeah, well, isn't that, you know
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what you're talking about? Is, is what the at the end of
that carrot? You know, when when Satan is
tempting our kids, what he's what he's offering them isn't
merely you know, he's not sayingwalk away from the faith.
He's saying just what he said toto Eve.
You can have both. Right.
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Yeah. You can.
You can have this thing and feelrelief and still be a Christian.
You can, you know, your parents have an old fashioned idea of
Christianity. If you deconstruct this right,
you can really see what's at thecore of your certainty about
Christianity, what the good parts are that really makes
sense to you. And then you can obey your body
too. And you can have both.
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And this is where, you know, this is where you get all those
terms like gay Christianity and,and the new one that's coming
out, trans Christianity and whatever, whatever adjectives,
you know, that you need to, to mix, you know, God with sin.
They have it. And and that's the promise, you
can have both. Yeah, yeah.
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Scary. It's a scary place to be.
Well, we've got lots more to talk about, but we are out of
time. Renton, you have a new podcast
called the Renton Rathbun Podcast.
I love the name. It's very, very creative.
I have not listened to it because I just found out this
morning that this podcast even existed.
And so tell us just really quickly about the podcast.
(29:58):
Yes, it's, it's a brand new podcast.
So there's, there's a reason whyI haven't heard of it, but it's
called the Rent and Rathbun show.
It's a, it's designed for parents and grandparents.
And even if you just mentor people, it's designed for you to
make you aware of world views that have raised itself up
against the knowledge of God andhow to respond to it biblically.
(30:18):
It is it's it's unscripted, unedited and raw.
So I think he'll be entertainingat least.
Yeah, very cool. So all those bloopers, no one
gets to edit those out. They're just there.
They press record and we find out what happens an hour later.
That's. So funny, I can't even imagine.
Well, I shouldn't say that Garrett, he's an amazing editor
(30:41):
and I mean, he's just incredibleat producing the Schoolhouse
Rock podcast. And I always just tell him just
make me sound smart. Just delete all the dumb stuff
that I say. And he's really good at that.
Sometimes he'll be like, I just deleted out that entire
connection that you recorded because it was not good.
It was a good. And so I, I would, but we have,
we've done 2 live conference, online conferences.
(31:03):
And that's what that is. I mean, it's just, it's live,
actual live. And so if I say something dumb,
which I have said lots of dumb stuff, it's it's on the Internet
forever. That's right, it never forgets.
Doesn't. No, no.
But you know what? Like thinking through social
media and stuff, you know, we always want to put our best foot
forward and we want people to see the the pretty and the good
and the beautiful sight of us. I think it's good for people
(31:25):
sometimes to see that. We flub stuff all the time.
So I know we we need to do a bloopers reel at some point of
all the silly things I've said and and comments I've made and
stuff. So we probably won't.
So don't, don't look for that. Well, the key is not to be
sponsored by anybody so that that way you don't have to do
commercials and, you know, be able to read through stuff
(31:47):
because I'd make a million mistakes on that.
We're. Just yeah, we're.
Just out there, you know, So yes.
No one cares about us. No no.
Speaking of sponsorship, so I know that you work for a BJU
Press homeschool. Is the Rent and Rathbund podcast
a part of the BJU homeschool ministry or how does that all
work together? Yeah.
(32:08):
So what we're doing is we reallywant to reach out to parents in
a very direct way. And so this is one of those
tools we're using to reach out to parents.
So you can find. So right now you can find it on
any podcasting system, you can find on YouTube or whatever.
We're going to be developing a website soon that you, you know,
(32:28):
be kind of be our hub. But until then, you just go to
rathman.com and check it all out.
OK, awesome. We will put those links in the
show notes. You guys.
Thank you so much for being withus today and this week.
We will be back with you next Tuesday back with Renton.
And we'll talk more about our kids deconstructing their faith.
And we'll, we'll really hit on how we as parents can prevent
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our kids from deconstructing their faith.
At least do our very best to prevent them from doing that.
We love you guys. Stay tuned to the very end.
Hear what's coming up next on the podcast.
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Have a great rest of your day. We love you guys and we'll see
(33:11):
you back here next week. Bye.
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saying, OK, I'm going to, I haveall these points of data that
that's covered in these, you know, in these books and what,
you know, what's expected of youin this classroom.
But it's up to me, the teacher, to present to you the world view
that this data will make sense in.
When kids go off to school, you are trusting every teacher they
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have. When they get to high school,
they have maybe 5-6 teachers to teach them all the different
stuff that's going on. And you're placing a lot of
responsibility in each of those people's hands because they are
directing a worldview that thesedata points will make sense in.
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