November 20, 2025 • 26 mins
Life Beyond Suboxone: Clarity, Confidence, and Taking My Power Back
“When the fog finally lifts… you start seeing the life you could’ve had all along.”
Episode 3 of Life Beyond Suboxone hit different. Stacy is waking up rested, thinking clearly, and stepping into a version of herself she didn’t believe she could be.
This week she talks about routines, boundaries, confidence, and finally taking her power back after years of feeling tethered to survival. The honesty in this one is unreal.
A few lines that stuck with me:
“It feels like a fog has been lifted.” “I’m making decisions in my life now — not just reacting.” “Once I started believing in myself… everything changed.” “I want to be in those family pictures again.” “Mindset was the biggest part. That changed everything.”
This is the part of recovery most people never get to see — the quiet wins, the slow clarity, the moments where your life starts to make sense again.
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(00:00):
Hey, this is Robert.
we are episode three here with Stacy.
This is life beyond Suboxone.
we are on this journey,and just a quick check in.
Like how has your week been?
It's been, seven days sincethe last time we chatted.
so
what's new?
What's
different?
How is your
week?
Not a lot new.
(00:21):
same thing throughout the week.
I work, I go home, I do recovery.
I have,
I'm learning how to manage mystress throughout the week.
Versus how it used to be.
there's
a
of things that are
different just versus beingon Suboxone and being on
Sublocade.
And a lot of that has
to do with just the tethering of itself.
I have noticed, like I don'tget up and reach for that,
(00:44):
but the
medications are different and Idon't know, and may, I don't know if
it's for me or if it's like this formost people, just in how you feel.
Yes.
Or
Okay.
Um, I'm not drained.
I don't feel, um, can Iwake up and I take Suboxone.
it kinda made me feel groggy,like almost like that.
opioid, like groggy.
Sure.
just really what weighed down and, I
(01:05):
don't feel like that on Sublocade.
Okay.
I have had a few days where it's
I
have struggled like gettingenergy in the morning.
and I don't know if that
necessarily had to do with themedication itself or if it's just.
Staying up too late and doom scrolling
on Facebook?
no.
Listen, I've been, I have been getting
up
at 5:00 AM four o'clock in themorning being at work at 5:00
(01:25):
AM So My schedule
has changed.
big change.
But
before
I was never up there was, you
could
not catch me up at four o'clock in themorning unless I was taking my dog out.
that's been
a big change for me.
I have noticed I haven't had a problem
waking up to my alarm.
Okay.
I haven't
had a problem, likefalling asleep at night.
I haven't had a problem, getting
up and knowing, okay, I gotta get up.
(01:47):
I got things to do Sure.
Before I could hit myalarm just lay in bed
and
just, I
could never get
enough sleep.
and like I
would sleep Yeah.
On Suboxone, it, I could.
I could sit at home, for days, likejust watch TV and be fine with that.
Yeah.
I don't
feel like I need to do that at this point.
I just don't,
I don't, I do need rest.
(02:08):
I do need to work on my selfcare.
That's a big, that's a big
thing and I am noticing that now, I'm
noticing a lot of different thingsabout myself, self-care being one
of them that I need to work on.
I need to.
start having a, not necessarilya schedule, but I need to get
up, I need to wash my face.
I need to shower, I
need, I need to have a routine.
And I
never even thought about having a routine,
(02:31):
before.
that was not one of
my things.
So self care.
Yes, self care.
it's, it.
It never was a big thing for me.
Like I knew I had to work on it.
I
knew I needed to, make sure that Iwas doing okay mentally, and I wasn't
like being, like I wasn't exhaustedor I wasn't, staying up too late.
(02:52):
But I never realized like self-care means
like
having a routine.
having boundaries.
Making sure that your lifeis balanced, because now
I
am looking at my life and going,it feels like a fog has been
lifted, to be honest with you.
Like now I'm
looking at it like, okay, I'm putting
(03:12):
a lot of time in my job right now,
knowing
that
it's
not necessarily.
Where I wanna be at as of work.
Sure.
But
I know there are things I cando to get to where I wanna be.
Yep.
But now it's,
I'm taking my focus from.
just letting myself getting so focused onone thing or being, being in that fog, I'm
(03:34):
focusing on, okay, what can I do to directmy life to where I want it to go now?
Yeah.
which is pulling back
from work and
putting my energy
and
time into things that.
need to
have it.
yeah, making a routine,balancing out my day,
Spending time with my family, I
got to spend time, with myson just this past week.
(03:55):
and
I haven't done that in over two years.
And, just sitting there and listeningto my family talk about, his best friend
got married and, just talk about thewedding and talk about this and that.
It, I was just realizing like.
I wanna be part of these things.
Yeah.
I want
To be in those
(04:16):
pictures.
I want to
be able to, when
my son says, mom, I'm gettingmarried, I wanna be part of that.
Yeah.
So
without overwhelming myself andokay, what I've missed, it's
now what I, what can I focus
on?
For sure.
What is there to do now?
the toothpaste is already out of the tube.
Yeah.
Just brush your
teeth.
Right.
(04:37):
So yeah, it's just, I'm realizing like.
okay, I wanna, I
used to journal.
Yeah.
I don't anymore.
That's a, that's somethingI wanna do for self care.
it might be interesting too.
To journal, especially during this, I
have been a little, you're transitioning.
Yes.
this is a big thing.
So
Yeah.
I have been a little bit, and that'swhere I've started to notice like, how
I feel And what, the differences are
(04:58):
in me and the things that, are important
to me.
like I said on Suboxone, I felt like.
I was in a fog every day.
and just maintaining the,maintaining the medication
and just going
with it.
It's weird.
I have this question that'sbeen kind of brewing since,
like if there's
(05:19):
less fraud, potential and abuse.
Okay.
With the shot,
if.
it's more manageable, likeit's a once a month thing,
you don't, you're not tethered
to it.
Yeah.
And if you feel
More clarity.
Yeah.
In your life, why stillprescribe the Suboxone to people?
(05:45):
You know what I mean?
You mean if there's this alternative thatdoes pretty much the same thing but it's
better and the outcomes are better?
Why?
Okay.
That's, why stick with, well, becauseI think first and foremost this should,
the Suboxone was first, the Sublocade
is something that came.
Okay.
Yeah, it's
been, I think so this is a newer thing.
(06:05):
This is a newer thing Got it.
and I'm, I've heard of it, I thinkmaybe four, maybe five years ago.
is when I first heard about it,and there's a lot of people on
the Suboxone, like I said, that domake the money off it that Sure.
But they depend on it also.
And it something new to them.
It's scary.
Yeah.
When they know that taking the Suboxoneevery day keeps 'em from, wanting to go
(06:26):
out and use and keeps them working Yeah.
And keeps him being a parent.
And he does that,
they
don't wanna risk it.
now for another part of that, Iknow my doctor told me, if you
feel at any point in time, while you'regoing, while you're going with this,
make sure you, 'cause I still have, I had
strips.
Sure.
Yep.
And she said, hang on to 'em.
Yep.
You, if you start feelinglike you're withdrawing.
(06:48):
It could
be something as if like we need to
either
up your dose lower, notlower up your dose or
get you some kind of shot level itout between now and your next visit.
Because if you're feeling that,
if you feel like you need to take one,then you can, it's not gonna hurt you.
However we need to know about it.
Yep.
So I thought that's which, where youwere going with that at first, but I see.
(07:08):
Yeah.
I
don't know why they
don't promote it more.
Yeah.
my doctor's office actually does havea pamphlet in the o in the room now.
Okay.
I've never seen
that before.
Sure.
Not up until I decided I, this
is something that I want.
Yeah.
have you mentioned to your doctorthat you're doing this little,
Hey, I'm just talking about it.
No, we, I've mentioned that we'vehad conversations about it Okay.
and that we've discussed it.
and Sure.
(07:29):
but no.
Okay.
I'd be curious to see.
What
their thoughts are maybe next month.
Right?
Hey, for the last month I've beendocumenting this and blah da da and
yeah, I think she would like it.
I think she's
one of been,
she's been the one
of the biggest supporters where
it was like, I love whatyou said on, I think it was
the first episode where you said, she justsaid Hey, you've been on this for Yeah.
Nine years.
(07:49):
That's a long time.
Yeah.
what's the plan?
she's new at the clinic.
Okay.
she'd been there for two years now.
but previously I used to go to that clinicand my doctor, I had there for four years.
She doesn't work there anymore, but,so she's got to see my file, 'cause
Sure I was a patient there before.
Yeah.
but.
She seems like she's
more of an advocate for something,like she's gonna advocate
for the patient, not just
(08:11):
keep you Sure.
Come in, do your drop, giveyou your meds and leave.
Yeah.
She's getting to know you.
Yeah.
yeah.
And she wants
to, I think she genuinely cares.
versus, the, you go in, you see the
nurse
first.
You sit there,
you sit, then the doctor
comes in.
Any changes?
Nope.
Okay.
Here's your script.
(08:31):
Yep.
And that's, yeah, that's how, so mostdoctor's appointments will go, yeah.
You see your doctor maybe three
minutes out of the 10 minutes.
you
know
that
they're, they're, you see the nurse
and then you see your doctor.
And then.
what's been
the toughest part of this first month?
Like physically, mentally, maybesomething that you didn't expect or,
(08:55):
I didn't expect to
have, the pain in the side where it was.
Yeah.
Does it still hurt nowor It still is sore.
Okay.
just
in the spot
that it is,
Sure.
And it's a, a big old ball.
of medication
is what it's, can you feel it?
Yeah.
Like you can, okay.
Yeah.
Got it.
Yeah.
It feels like there's like
a big lump
in your stomach.
I didn't expect it to hurt as bad.
(09:16):
it isn't, it's not like super painful, but
it's sore.
Yeah.
and I didn't expect to be able to justwake up in the morning and actually
be awake, I expected to still be groggy.
that kind of threw me
and
I didn't expect to be able to sleep.
and to feel rested sleep.
Those are beautiful things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like it.
You, so you feel like thequality of your sleep is better?
(09:38):
Like when you wake up much, youremuch more refreshed, you're, yeah.
Okay.
I, I actually feel like I can wakeup and not, have to sit there for at
45 minutes to finally like, becauseI'd be like, let me have my coffee.
Sure.
But it wasn't
the coffee that was itwas just I couldn't pull
myself together.
Yeah.
I think
the only thing that's been
(09:58):
kinda weird to me, is that, that Ihaven't, reached for the Suboxone.
I thought that I would, Ithought that I would still do
that.
Just outta habit almost, or, Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's crazy.
like when I, do the editing and stuff onthis, like I, I see like you're resolved.
Yeah.
this is the
path I'm going down.
(10:18):
Yeah.
Like I'm doing this.
she did
tell me, that I could keepany Suboxones that I have.
And if I can take them, go ahead.
But I haven't kept 'em.
Sure.
I don't want
them.
which kinda,
I was scared for that.
oh my God, am I gonna withdraw from this?
Yeah.
But if I need to, I can go and talk
to her and I
can say, Hey, look,
this
is what I'm going through.
And I might, but I justdon't feel like I'm gonna.
(10:40):
And I think you have tools too.
Yeah.
Through recovery that
to help manage some of that stuff.
And, there's power intalking it through and yeah.
And
a lot of it is mental.
A lot of your, you will definitely feellike withdrawal symptoms from anything.
But I know for me.
(11:03):
The mental part was the worst, was way theworst because it made me feel even sicker.
It made me feel like, onceI got past that mental
part of it in any, withdrawalfrom any medicine I was fine.
'cause I think our bodies
can handle pretty much
anything for sure.
Yep.
but that mental, that's a bitch.
It is a bitch.
It's,
It is.
(11:23):
I think that's mostly why I stillsmoke my nicotine because fuck that.
I'm not giving it up.
That's a tough one.
I'm not giving it up.
It's a tough one.
I just,
but yeah.
So
things are going good.
what about a win from this last month?
What's a, even a smallwin, what do you like?
I know waking up is good and, anyother wins, Being able to put my
(11:49):
all into my week, Honestly, knowingthat like I am doing a lot of things
that I never thought I would do.
there's been a lot
of changes at work.
Just a lot
of changes in my life.
Yeah.
And,
but you feel like you'repart of the game now?
Oh, absolutely.
Instead of an observer or, absolutely.
Okay.
I'm making decisions
in my
life.
(12:09):
in a lot of different
areas.
Relationships, work, home.
There's a lot of things that I'mtaking control of now and I love it.
That's
good.
it's scarier than shit, don'tget me wrong, because like,
I'm responsible
for that
shit, like But yeah, I really like it.
It's,
yeah,
is, there
are things I never thought
I would ever do in two different areas.
(12:30):
Like
I never thought I would enda relationship that I ended.
and
I never thought I would, take charge
at work
the way I did.
I never
thought I would
be able to do that,
and be depended on, andthat's here's the keys
to the store, right?
Yeah.
yeah.
Knowing that peopleare depending on me and
(12:51):
that I'm doing it.
you just got a call
10 minutes ago.
Yeah.
let's training right now.
We edited out.
Yeah, she's training right now and she's
panicking about thelotto, which she'll do.
I was that person.
Yes.
Yeah.
But And know my life is
changing, but it's forthe, it's for the better.
And I spent so much time, likeI said, in addiction, just.
just.
(13:12):
I Not
believing in myself, never thinking that Icould, do the things that I wanted to do.
Yeah.
And now I'm doing it.
I'm not just thinking aboutdoing it, I'm doing it.
I'm making the changes.
And, That's the big part.
Like the mindset over everything.
The mindset.
Once I changed my mindsetand mind who I am,
(13:34):
that was.
My
big part.
I was changing my mind onwho I am, who I believe I am.
Sure.
Because
once I
started believing in myself That changed.
It all changed.
Yeah.
That was huge for me.
Yeah.
'cause everybody could be like, I believe
in you.
They
could tell me that all day long.
My mom, my dad at my brother,everybody, I believe in you.
And I know they did.
(13:55):
It
wasn't.
Yeah.
It was me believing in me.
Sure.
It's that mindset.
Yeah.
Waking up and knowinglike I, I know my worth.
Yeah.
regardless of things, are great orperfect in my life, I know my worth.
Yeah.
That's a big part.
And yeah,
because I didn't know
my worth.
I had no idea.
Yeah.
and honestly, addiction robs that though.
It
does.
Yeah.
Because I'm looking back in my
(14:16):
life and I'm like, when did I lose that?
And I can't pinpoint that.
I think it's a gradualreceding of morals, values, and
your soul.
Oh, absolutely.
So over a long period of time.
Yeah.
Over the last 20 years of slowly
Yeah.
just getting beat down.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And beating myself down.
just.
(14:38):
Not believing in myself.
Yeah.
Looking
ahead in month two, likewhat are you thinking?
Like next month you're, areyou thinking about having a
conversation about another 300 shot?
Are you thinking aboutgoing down to the 100?
just feeling it out, how you feelat the end of this month maybe?
Yeah.
How I feel at the end of this month?
(14:58):
Sure.
I
think what we
decided at was it was gonnabe two months of the 300 Sure.
to level my body out.
And then after that, 'causeI told her I wanted it to
be six months,
I wanted to be done in six months.
Yeah.
and she said, going for you, you'regonna want to, push that out a little
bit to make it your six
months.
You don't wanna go scope from 300 to 100.
Got it.
you wanna put your body
on this because you don't wanna depend.
(15:19):
Go back to those Suboxonesand she's right about that.
Yep.
I don't wanna
do something that,
I'm not necessarily ready for it.
Not that I don't feel ready for it.
Yep.
but I wanna have that net rightthere, I know I'm ready for this,
but I need this, I want thismedicine to, to walk me through this.
And do you feel that you've done, doyou feel that you've done the inner work
(15:43):
to heal the reason you were using dope?
In the first place?
Yes.
not full of it.
not fully sure.
lemme rephrase that.
I have done a lot of the inner work.
Okay.
however, there are still thingsthat I need to work on daily
in order to maintain that work.
That's just good old character defects.
Yeah.
Like
that.
and some of the things Yeah.
(16:04):
In the last four years, That Ihave pushed to the side where it's
I don't wanna focus on that yet.
I don't wanna focus on that yet.
Sure.
But I know the problems.
Yeah.
And
I know that it's not somethingthat's gonna go away.
And if I don't do the work If I don'tgo through, I'm not gonna get out of it.
Yeah.
I gotta go through it.
Yeah.
I know, and I think as you go throughthat you begin to build that confidence.
(16:28):
I can do this.
Yeah, I can do it.
I'm gonna, you know, I'm 15 yearson the other side of the last
time I shoved the needle in myarm and, last year I probably had.
I don't know, two times that Ican remember where I had a craving
for hitting a self-destructbutton on my life and doing dope.
(16:49):
Yeah.
And not even it wasn't overpowering,it was just one of those thoughts.
Yep.
Yep.
And
the thought.
Landed.
And then I said, ha, that's
a funny
thought.
but that ain't
gonna happen because now todayI'm able to play the tape through,
this is gonna lead to this andthen this is gonna lead to this.
And then guess what?
You're chained to a bed in the middle of
Times Square with a clown
(17:10):
mask on, right?
so
when
my, when I'm having a rough day or thingsare going to shit, or I'm having like the
worst, I don't think about getting high.
It is the weird times
where.
For sure
I'm in
a great mood
and like
I'm having a good day and I'mthinking, man, I'd like to get
high.
And I'm like, yeah,
why did I right?
Why am I thinking about, I
could just do a
blast and it would makeeverything even better.
No, it's not the shitty times.
(17:32):
Yeah.
Or like when I'm so angry
or I'm like, fuck
this, I just want, no, it's not the,I don't know when that happened, but
that's the cunning, baffling and powerfulpart of what we are dealing with.
It's the times where it'sI am leaving, a great day
having, my family or my son just messagedme or whatever, and I'm driving home.
It's a beautiful sunny day
and yeah,
man, I could get, no,
(17:53):
I don't wanna get high, right.
But I think about it.
Sure, yep.
It's normal.
And talking about itgives you power over it.
Yeah.
naming it, talking to someone else aboutit because now it's like you just saying
that to me, it's like that little voicein your head said shit, she just told
someone else theaccountability factor of it.
yeah, because and here's another thing,like my family won't talk about it.
(18:16):
My family doesn't wanna talk about,the getting high or how bad it is.
I think, for some of 'em it'sjust They've seen me And they
see me at my worst and they
just don't wanna think about that.
and I think
when you first come out oflike jails or facilities they
put it in your head.
just don't think about it.
Just don't
do it.
Just Sure.
So you have to bring it up to yourself.
(18:37):
You have to look
yourself
in
the mirror and say, we're gonnahave this conversation about it.
Because if you don't talk
about it, it's, you're justshoving the problem down.
Yeah.
And you don't want that.
Yeah.
that's the last thing you want.
You shove it just like trauma,
just shame or guilt oranything else, you can't just
shove it down.
Yeah.
Because it's gonna comeback up eventually.
(18:57):
Yeah.
It's like a mento and a diet Coke.
That's rough.
Yeah.
Can only sit in there so long.
and It's gonna come out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just not something, and like you saidwith the, how do I feel like I have healed
that part?
or do I feel like I've worked on Just like
(19:17):
that.
if I'm not
making sure every day that I'm
working on my character defects Sure.
That I am
taking care of me, myself,I'm doing the self-care, that
I'm keeping my boundaries.
Yeah.
And working on myself, working onmy things every day to make sure
that I keep going the way I'm going.
Yeah.
Have any old habits or
old thought patterns or anythinglike that kind of crept in in
(19:39):
the last two, three weeks, whileyou're in this transition period?
I have had a short few, as the last week.
but
I've
been going through a lot also, so
other than just snapping on somepeople and, that being like the only
thing, like the old thought patterns,just being angry about things.
(20:01):
But knowing like I catch myself.
Yeah.
but yeah, I'm not with the tools thatI have in recovery now, I don't find
myself, in a lot of old habits or,having a lot of old thoughts creep up.
Not to say that they don't, it'sjust very few and far between.
(20:21):
will say my emotions have been,not too like way up or way down.
They've been kind of even, butI have been feeling a little
bit more this week than last.
so I'm not sure if thathas anything to do with it.
but I'm trying to.
Um, keep an eye on that.
Like I said, I've been journalingand been, um, kind of noticing
(20:42):
like how I've been feeling.
that's where I started looking at,okay, I need to work on my self-care.
I need to work on, uh,I'm getting a routine.
I need to, I need to work on a few things.
And now that I am, um, feelinglike I'm able to do that, I'm
gonna start implementing them.
what's a message that you would wantto say to yourself in six months?
(21:07):
I'm not sure about that.
That's a hard one, Robert.
It is a hard one.
Like, do I wanna say to myfuture self, Just that, um.
To always remember to show grace tothose around you and those you love.
Mm-hmm.
No matter what.
that's a big thing.
People are going through a lot.
Yeah.
(21:28):
Everybody's got something.
Yeah.
And we sometimes forget about that.
I know that I sometimes forgetabout other people and what they're
going through and, I just, uh.
I want to remind myself to not ever,don't, don't uh, ever think that you're
the only one going through something.
Yeah.
(21:48):
It's a good reminder forbeing in the recovery field.
Yeah.
Because sometimes we can get frustratedwith people or their actions.
Mm-hmm.
Or, uh, their lack of action.
Uh, we can just, uh, we see apart of it, but there's often.
it's almost like an iceberg, right?
Yeah.
You see this little tip onlythat's poking through the water and
(22:09):
then there's so much underneath.
Yeah.
And, uh, to just That's a good reminder.
Uh, any point in life.
Yeah.
yeah.
Show grace.
I asked somebody once that was marriedfor like 60 some years or whatever it was.
We were at some anniversarything or something, and uh,
and I said, what's the secret?
(22:30):
And, uh, he said the abilityto continually show grace Yeah.
To each other.
And that's a big one.
That was powerful because,you'll always find a reason.
If you're looking for something wrongin someone, you'll always find it.
Yeah.
But if you're looking for a reason to showgrace, you can, uh, that can cover over so
(22:52):
many things, like does it really matter?
you know, my grandpa said whenI, I, I can ask him a similar
question, but he said that thehow quick you are to forgive Yeah.
I think was how he put it.
Yeah, yeah.
Yep.
Right.
In those same, yeah.
Yeah.
How quick you are to forgive.
Yeah.
And I was like, you know, I'm,I guess I gotta work on that
part of myself because Yeah.
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Yeah.
I used to hold onto a grudgelike no other, oh, I can.
I know
that was one thing about myselfthat I have worked really hard on
was, to let go of things like that.
Mm-hmm.
and uh, just I try to remember, like Iknow everything that I went through and.
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People around me have no idea about that.
So I kind of flip flop that like mm-hmm.
People around me, I have noidea what they go through.
We've all got our junk.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And people experience things differently.
Mm-hmm.
You know, your reality isnot the same as my reality.
No.
And that's just, something I,I learned my, my little brother
Eli struggled with, uh, paranoidschizophrenia and, um, he's one of
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my best friends in this whole world.
I got to learn that through him.
Like regardless.
Yeah.
My reality is different than his,but it didn't make it any less real.
Sure.
Yeah.
And, um, that, that has stuck with me.
Yeah.
Good lesson.
Yeah.
All right, friends, again, thereis no PhD behind our names, so this
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is our medical disclaimer here.
This is as an official as it gets.
But, uh, Stacy, if you've listenedto episode one, two, or this one.
You've noticed that she hasconsulted with her doctor?
Yes, absolutely.
And if you are on Suboxone or ifyou're thinking about getting on
Suboxone or getting on Sublocade.
Any of this journey we implore you,please go talk to your doctor, talk
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to a medical professional, and just gothrough this, talk to 'em about what
a good plan for you is going to be.
This is Stacey's journey.
This is what's working for her andthe recovery support that she has
around her and her life at this point.
And, uh, we are just highlighting thisbecause we feel like it's a conversation
that not a lot of people are having.
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And so we hope that through this itinspires people to just be curious,
to ask questions and also see whatthe other side of this is like.
Like what people are going throughwhen they make the decision.
Yeah.
And like how it's helping them, how it'shurting them, uh, what the trade offs are.
'cause there's always a trade off.
Yeah.
With everything.
So, and everybody's different.
Everybody's different.
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Everybody experiences are different.
Yep.
So thank you for tuning in.
Again, if you have any questions,comments, or anything, feel
free to drop it down below.
If you have your own personalstory, I'd love to hear that.
Or how you have managed to eitherget off of Suboxone or what your
experience is like on Sublocade.
We would be very opento hearing about that.
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So I'd like to know if anybody hasexperienced like this, the same
things that I do with like, theemotional thing or, or you know.
Mm-hmm.
The being able to sleepor, things like that.
If they.
Went through the same thing.
Yeah.
Like having, getting better rest orbeing able to wake up not feeling groggy.
Yeah.
Those are really good benefits.
Absolutely.
That's why I love hearing that.
I would love to see if there'sany direct correlation between,
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uh, prescribing Sublocade goingup and suboxone going down.
You know, and I think I will askmy doctor a few questions too,
just to see what she can tell meabout even just the office and Yep.
What she's noticed the last,last five years with it.
Yeah, I would love to know.
I think these are important things.
So Cool.
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As always, stay sober, not boring.
Hey, this is Robert.
we are episode three here with Stacy.
This is life beyond Suboxone.
we are on this journey,and just a quick check in.
Like how has your week been?
It's been, seven days sincethe last time we chatted.
so
what's new?
What's
different?
How is your
week?
Not a lot new.
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same thing throughout the week.
I work, I go home, I do recovery.
I have,
I'm learning how to manage mystress throughout the week.
Versus how it used to be.
there's
a
of things that are
different just versus beingon Suboxone and being on
Sublocade.
And a lot of that has
to do with just the tethering of itself.
I have noticed, like I don'tget up and reach for that,
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but the
medications are different and Idon't know, and may, I don't know if
it's for me or if it's like this formost people, just in how you feel.
Yes.
Or
Okay.
Um, I'm not drained.
I don't feel, um, can Iwake up and I take Suboxone.
it kinda made me feel groggy,like almost like that.
opioid, like groggy.
Sure.
just really what weighed down and, I
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don't feel like that on Sublocade.
Okay.
I have had a few days where it's
I
have struggled like gettingenergy in the morning.
and I don't know if that
necessarily had to do with themedication itself or if it's just.
Staying up too late and doom scrolling
on Facebook?
no.
Listen, I've been, I have been getting
up
at 5:00 AM four o'clock in themorning being at work at 5:00
(01:25):
AM So My schedule
has changed.
big change.
But
before
I was never up there was, you
could
not catch me up at four o'clock in themorning unless I was taking my dog out.
that's been
a big change for me.
I have noticed I haven't had a problem
waking up to my alarm.
Okay.
I haven't
had a problem, likefalling asleep at night.
I haven't had a problem, getting
up and knowing, okay, I gotta get up.
(01:47):
I got things to do Sure.
Before I could hit myalarm just lay in bed
and
just, I
could never get
enough sleep.
and like I
would sleep Yeah.
On Suboxone, it, I could.
I could sit at home, for days, likejust watch TV and be fine with that.
Yeah.
I don't
feel like I need to do that at this point.
I just don't,
I don't, I do need rest.
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I do need to work on my selfcare.
That's a big, that's a big
thing and I am noticing that now, I'm
noticing a lot of different thingsabout myself, self-care being one
of them that I need to work on.
I need to.
start having a, not necessarilya schedule, but I need to get
up, I need to wash my face.
I need to shower, I
need, I need to have a routine.
And I
never even thought about having a routine,
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before.
that was not one of
my things.
So self care.
Yes, self care.
it's, it.
It never was a big thing for me.
Like I knew I had to work on it.
I
knew I needed to, make sure that Iwas doing okay mentally, and I wasn't
like being, like I wasn't exhaustedor I wasn't, staying up too late.
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But I never realized like self-care means
like
having a routine.
having boundaries.
Making sure that your lifeis balanced, because now
I
am looking at my life and going,it feels like a fog has been
lifted, to be honest with you.
Like now I'm
looking at it like, okay, I'm putting
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a lot of time in my job right now,
knowing
that
it's
not necessarily.
Where I wanna be at as of work.
Sure.
But
I know there are things I cando to get to where I wanna be.
Yep.
But now it's,
I'm taking my focus from.
just letting myself getting so focused onone thing or being, being in that fog, I'm
(03:34):
focusing on, okay, what can I do to directmy life to where I want it to go now?
Yeah.
which is pulling back
from work and
putting my energy
and
time into things that.
need to
have it.
yeah, making a routine,balancing out my day,
Spending time with my family, I
got to spend time, with myson just this past week.
(03:55):
and
I haven't done that in over two years.
And, just sitting there and listeningto my family talk about, his best friend
got married and, just talk about thewedding and talk about this and that.
It, I was just realizing like.
I wanna be part of these things.
Yeah.
I want
To be in those
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pictures.
I want to
be able to, when
my son says, mom, I'm gettingmarried, I wanna be part of that.
Yeah.
So
without overwhelming myself andokay, what I've missed, it's
now what I, what can I focus
on?
For sure.
What is there to do now?
the toothpaste is already out of the tube.
Yeah.
Just brush your
teeth.
Right.
(04:37):
So yeah, it's just, I'm realizing like.
okay, I wanna, I
used to journal.
Yeah.
I don't anymore.
That's a, that's somethingI wanna do for self care.
it might be interesting too.
To journal, especially during this, I
have been a little, you're transitioning.
Yes.
this is a big thing.
So
Yeah.
I have been a little bit, and that'swhere I've started to notice like, how
I feel And what, the differences are
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in me and the things that, are important
to me.
like I said on Suboxone, I felt like.
I was in a fog every day.
and just maintaining the,maintaining the medication
and just going
with it.
It's weird.
I have this question that'sbeen kind of brewing since,
like if there's
(05:19):
less fraud, potential and abuse.
Okay.
With the shot,
if.
it's more manageable, likeit's a once a month thing,
you don't, you're not tethered
to it.
Yeah.
And if you feel
More clarity.
Yeah.
In your life, why stillprescribe the Suboxone to people?
(05:45):
You know what I mean?
You mean if there's this alternative thatdoes pretty much the same thing but it's
better and the outcomes are better?
Why?
Okay.
That's, why stick with, well, becauseI think first and foremost this should,
the Suboxone was first, the Sublocade
is something that came.
Okay.
Yeah, it's
been, I think so this is a newer thing.
(06:05):
This is a newer thing Got it.
and I'm, I've heard of it, I thinkmaybe four, maybe five years ago.
is when I first heard about it,and there's a lot of people on
the Suboxone, like I said, that domake the money off it that Sure.
But they depend on it also.
And it something new to them.
It's scary.
Yeah.
When they know that taking the Suboxoneevery day keeps 'em from, wanting to go
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out and use and keeps them working Yeah.
And keeps him being a parent.
And he does that,
they
don't wanna risk it.
now for another part of that, Iknow my doctor told me, if you
feel at any point in time, while you'regoing, while you're going with this,
make sure you, 'cause I still have, I had
strips.
Sure.
Yep.
And she said, hang on to 'em.
Yep.
You, if you start feelinglike you're withdrawing.
(06:48):
It could
be something as if like we need to
either
up your dose lower, notlower up your dose or
get you some kind of shot level itout between now and your next visit.
Because if you're feeling that,
if you feel like you need to take one,then you can, it's not gonna hurt you.
However we need to know about it.
Yep.
So I thought that's which, where youwere going with that at first, but I see.
(07:08):
Yeah.
I
don't know why they
don't promote it more.
Yeah.
my doctor's office actually does havea pamphlet in the o in the room now.
Okay.
I've never seen
that before.
Sure.
Not up until I decided I, this
is something that I want.
Yeah.
have you mentioned to your doctorthat you're doing this little,
Hey, I'm just talking about it.
No, we, I've mentioned that we'vehad conversations about it Okay.
and that we've discussed it.
and Sure.
(07:29):
but no.
Okay.
I'd be curious to see.
What
their thoughts are maybe next month.
Right?
Hey, for the last month I've beendocumenting this and blah da da and
yeah, I think she would like it.
I think she's
one of been,
she's been the one
of the biggest supporters where
it was like, I love whatyou said on, I think it was
the first episode where you said, she justsaid Hey, you've been on this for Yeah.
Nine years.
(07:49):
That's a long time.
Yeah.
what's the plan?
she's new at the clinic.
Okay.
she'd been there for two years now.
but previously I used to go to that clinicand my doctor, I had there for four years.
She doesn't work there anymore, but,so she's got to see my file, 'cause
Sure I was a patient there before.
Yeah.
but.
She seems like she's
more of an advocate for something,like she's gonna advocate
for the patient, not just
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keep you Sure.
Come in, do your drop, giveyou your meds and leave.
Yeah.
She's getting to know you.
Yeah.
yeah.
And she wants
to, I think she genuinely cares.
versus, the, you go in, you see the
nurse
first.
You sit there,
you sit, then the doctor
comes in.
Any changes?
Nope.
Okay.
Here's your script.
(08:31):
Yep.
And that's, yeah, that's how, so mostdoctor's appointments will go, yeah.
You see your doctor maybe three
minutes out of the 10 minutes.
you
know
that
they're, they're, you see the nurse
and then you see your doctor.
And then.
what's been
the toughest part of this first month?
Like physically, mentally, maybesomething that you didn't expect or,
(08:55):
I didn't expect to
have, the pain in the side where it was.
Yeah.
Does it still hurt nowor It still is sore.
Okay.
just
in the spot
that it is,
Sure.
And it's a, a big old ball.
of medication
is what it's, can you feel it?
Yeah.
Like you can, okay.
Yeah.
Got it.
Yeah.
It feels like there's like
a big lump
in your stomach.
I didn't expect it to hurt as bad.
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it isn't, it's not like super painful, but
it's sore.
Yeah.
and I didn't expect to be able to justwake up in the morning and actually
be awake, I expected to still be groggy.
that kind of threw me
and
I didn't expect to be able to sleep.
and to feel rested sleep.
Those are beautiful things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like it.
You, so you feel like thequality of your sleep is better?
(09:38):
Like when you wake up much, youremuch more refreshed, you're, yeah.
Okay.
I, I actually feel like I can wakeup and not, have to sit there for at
45 minutes to finally like, becauseI'd be like, let me have my coffee.
Sure.
But it wasn't
the coffee that was itwas just I couldn't pull
myself together.
Yeah.
I think
the only thing that's been
(09:58):
kinda weird to me, is that, that Ihaven't, reached for the Suboxone.
I thought that I would, Ithought that I would still do
that.
Just outta habit almost, or, Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's crazy.
like when I, do the editing and stuff onthis, like I, I see like you're resolved.
Yeah.
this is the
path I'm going down.
(10:18):
Yeah.
Like I'm doing this.
she did
tell me, that I could keepany Suboxones that I have.
And if I can take them, go ahead.
But I haven't kept 'em.
Sure.
I don't want
them.
which kinda,
I was scared for that.
oh my God, am I gonna withdraw from this?
Yeah.
But if I need to, I can go and talk
to her and I
can say, Hey, look,
this
is what I'm going through.
And I might, but I justdon't feel like I'm gonna.
(10:40):
And I think you have tools too.
Yeah.
Through recovery that
to help manage some of that stuff.
And, there's power intalking it through and yeah.
And
a lot of it is mental.
A lot of your, you will definitely feellike withdrawal symptoms from anything.
But I know for me.
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The mental part was the worst, was way theworst because it made me feel even sicker.
It made me feel like, onceI got past that mental
part of it in any, withdrawalfrom any medicine I was fine.
'cause I think our bodies
can handle pretty much
anything for sure.
Yep.
but that mental, that's a bitch.
It is a bitch.
It's,
It is.
(11:23):
I think that's mostly why I stillsmoke my nicotine because fuck that.
I'm not giving it up.
That's a tough one.
I'm not giving it up.
It's a tough one.
I just,
but yeah.
So
things are going good.
what about a win from this last month?
What's a, even a smallwin, what do you like?
I know waking up is good and, anyother wins, Being able to put my
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all into my week, Honestly, knowingthat like I am doing a lot of things
that I never thought I would do.
there's been a lot
of changes at work.
Just a lot
of changes in my life.
Yeah.
And,
but you feel like you'repart of the game now?
Oh, absolutely.
Instead of an observer or, absolutely.
Okay.
I'm making decisions
in my
life.
(12:09):
in a lot of different
areas.
Relationships, work, home.
There's a lot of things that I'mtaking control of now and I love it.
That's
good.
it's scarier than shit, don'tget me wrong, because like,
I'm responsible
for that
shit, like But yeah, I really like it.
It's,
yeah,
is, there
are things I never thought
I would ever do in two different areas.
(12:30):
Like
I never thought I would enda relationship that I ended.
and
I never thought I would, take charge
at work
the way I did.
I never
thought I would
be able to do that,
and be depended on, andthat's here's the keys
to the store, right?
Yeah.
yeah.
Knowing that peopleare depending on me and
(12:51):
that I'm doing it.
you just got a call
10 minutes ago.
Yeah.
let's training right now.
We edited out.
Yeah, she's training right now and she's
panicking about thelotto, which she'll do.
I was that person.
Yes.
Yeah.
But And know my life is
changing, but it's forthe, it's for the better.
And I spent so much time, likeI said, in addiction, just.
just.
(13:12):
I Not
believing in myself, never thinking that Icould, do the things that I wanted to do.
Yeah.
And now I'm doing it.
I'm not just thinking aboutdoing it, I'm doing it.
I'm making the changes.
And, That's the big part.
Like the mindset over everything.
The mindset.
Once I changed my mindsetand mind who I am,
(13:34):
that was.
My
big part.
I was changing my mind onwho I am, who I believe I am.
Sure.
Because
once I
started believing in myself That changed.
It all changed.
Yeah.
That was huge for me.
Yeah.
'cause everybody could be like, I believe
in you.
They
could tell me that all day long.
My mom, my dad at my brother,everybody, I believe in you.
And I know they did.
(13:55):
It
wasn't.
Yeah.
It was me believing in me.
Sure.
It's that mindset.
Yeah.
Waking up and knowinglike I, I know my worth.
Yeah.
regardless of things, are great orperfect in my life, I know my worth.
Yeah.
That's a big part.
And yeah,
because I didn't know
my worth.
I had no idea.
Yeah.
and honestly, addiction robs that though.
It
does.
Yeah.
Because I'm looking back in my
(14:16):
life and I'm like, when did I lose that?
And I can't pinpoint that.
I think it's a gradualreceding of morals, values, and
your soul.
Oh, absolutely.
So over a long period of time.
Yeah.
Over the last 20 years of slowly
Yeah.
just getting beat down.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And beating myself down.
just.
(14:38):
Not believing in myself.
Yeah.
Looking
ahead in month two, likewhat are you thinking?
Like next month you're, areyou thinking about having a
conversation about another 300 shot?
Are you thinking aboutgoing down to the 100?
just feeling it out, how you feelat the end of this month maybe?
Yeah.
How I feel at the end of this month?
(14:58):
Sure.
I
think what we
decided at was it was gonnabe two months of the 300 Sure.
to level my body out.
And then after that, 'causeI told her I wanted it to
be six months,
I wanted to be done in six months.
Yeah.
and she said, going for you, you'regonna want to, push that out a little
bit to make it your six
months.
You don't wanna go scope from 300 to 100.
Got it.
you wanna put your body
on this because you don't wanna depend.
(15:19):
Go back to those Suboxonesand she's right about that.
Yep.
I don't wanna
do something that,
I'm not necessarily ready for it.
Not that I don't feel ready for it.
Yep.
but I wanna have that net rightthere, I know I'm ready for this,
but I need this, I want thismedicine to, to walk me through this.
And do you feel that you've done, doyou feel that you've done the inner work
(15:43):
to heal the reason you were using dope?
In the first place?
Yes.
not full of it.
not fully sure.
lemme rephrase that.
I have done a lot of the inner work.
Okay.
however, there are still thingsthat I need to work on daily
in order to maintain that work.
That's just good old character defects.
Yeah.
Like
that.
and some of the things Yeah.
(16:04):
In the last four years, That Ihave pushed to the side where it's
I don't wanna focus on that yet.
I don't wanna focus on that yet.
Sure.
But I know the problems.
Yeah.
And
I know that it's not somethingthat's gonna go away.
And if I don't do the work If I don'tgo through, I'm not gonna get out of it.
Yeah.
I gotta go through it.
Yeah.
I know, and I think as you go throughthat you begin to build that confidence.
(16:28):
I can do this.
Yeah, I can do it.
I'm gonna, you know, I'm 15 yearson the other side of the last
time I shoved the needle in myarm and, last year I probably had.
I don't know, two times that Ican remember where I had a craving
for hitting a self-destructbutton on my life and doing dope.
(16:49):
Yeah.
And not even it wasn't overpowering,it was just one of those thoughts.
Yep.
Yep.
And
the thought.
Landed.
And then I said, ha, that's
a funny
thought.
but that ain't
gonna happen because now todayI'm able to play the tape through,
this is gonna lead to this andthen this is gonna lead to this.
And then guess what?
You're chained to a bed in the middle of
Times Square with a clown
(17:10):
mask on, right?
so
when
my, when I'm having a rough day or thingsare going to shit, or I'm having like the
worst, I don't think about getting high.
It is the weird times
where.
For sure
I'm in
a great mood
and like
I'm having a good day and I'mthinking, man, I'd like to get
high.
And I'm like, yeah,
why did I right?
Why am I thinking about, I
could just do a
blast and it would makeeverything even better.
No, it's not the shitty times.
(17:32):
Yeah.
Or like when I'm so angry
or I'm like, fuck
this, I just want, no, it's not the,I don't know when that happened, but
that's the cunning, baffling and powerfulpart of what we are dealing with.
It's the times where it'sI am leaving, a great day
having, my family or my son just messagedme or whatever, and I'm driving home.
It's a beautiful sunny day
and yeah,
man, I could get, no,
(17:53):
I don't wanna get high, right.
But I think about it.
Sure, yep.
It's normal.
And talking about itgives you power over it.
Yeah.
naming it, talking to someone else aboutit because now it's like you just saying
that to me, it's like that little voicein your head said shit, she just told
someone else theaccountability factor of it.
yeah, because and here's another thing,like my family won't talk about it.
(18:16):
My family doesn't wanna talk about,the getting high or how bad it is.
I think, for some of 'em it'sjust They've seen me And they
see me at my worst and they
just don't wanna think about that.
and I think
when you first come out oflike jails or facilities they
put it in your head.
just don't think about it.
Just don't
do it.
Just Sure.
So you have to bring it up to yourself.
(18:37):
You have to look
yourself
in
the mirror and say, we're gonnahave this conversation about it.
Because if you don't talk
about it, it's, you're justshoving the problem down.
Yeah.
And you don't want that.
Yeah.
that's the last thing you want.
You shove it just like trauma,
just shame or guilt oranything else, you can't just
shove it down.
Yeah.
Because it's gonna comeback up eventually.
(18:57):
Yeah.
It's like a mento and a diet Coke.
That's rough.
Yeah.
Can only sit in there so long.
and It's gonna come out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just not something, and like you saidwith the, how do I feel like I have healed
that part?
or do I feel like I've worked on Just like
(19:17):
that.
if I'm not
making sure every day that I'm
working on my character defects Sure.
That I am
taking care of me, myself,I'm doing the self-care, that
I'm keeping my boundaries.
Yeah.
And working on myself, working onmy things every day to make sure
that I keep going the way I'm going.
Yeah.
Have any old habits or
old thought patterns or anythinglike that kind of crept in in
(19:39):
the last two, three weeks, whileyou're in this transition period?
I have had a short few, as the last week.
but
I've
been going through a lot also, so
other than just snapping on somepeople and, that being like the only
thing, like the old thought patterns,just being angry about things.
(20:01):
But knowing like I catch myself.
Yeah.
but yeah, I'm not with the tools thatI have in recovery now, I don't find
myself, in a lot of old habits or,having a lot of old thoughts creep up.
Not to say that they don't, it'sjust very few and far between.
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will say my emotions have been,not too like way up or way down.
They've been kind of even, butI have been feeling a little
bit more this week than last.
so I'm not sure if thathas anything to do with it.
but I'm trying to.
Um, keep an eye on that.
Like I said, I've been journalingand been, um, kind of noticing
(20:42):
like how I've been feeling.
that's where I started looking at,okay, I need to work on my self-care.
I need to work on, uh,I'm getting a routine.
I need to, I need to work on a few things.
And now that I am, um, feelinglike I'm able to do that, I'm
gonna start implementing them.
what's a message that you would wantto say to yourself in six months?
(21:07):
I'm not sure about that.
That's a hard one, Robert.
It is a hard one.
Like, do I wanna say to myfuture self, Just that, um.
To always remember to show grace tothose around you and those you love.
Mm-hmm.
No matter what.
that's a big thing.
People are going through a lot.
Yeah.
(21:28):
Everybody's got something.
Yeah.
And we sometimes forget about that.
I know that I sometimes forgetabout other people and what they're
going through and, I just, uh.
I want to remind myself to not ever,don't, don't uh, ever think that you're
the only one going through something.
Yeah.
(21:48):
It's a good reminder forbeing in the recovery field.
Yeah.
Because sometimes we can get frustratedwith people or their actions.
Mm-hmm.
Or, uh, their lack of action.
Uh, we can just, uh, we see apart of it, but there's often.
it's almost like an iceberg, right?
Yeah.
You see this little tip onlythat's poking through the water and
(22:09):
then there's so much underneath.
Yeah.
And, uh, to just That's a good reminder.
Uh, any point in life.
Yeah.
yeah.
Show grace.
I asked somebody once that was marriedfor like 60 some years or whatever it was.
We were at some anniversarything or something, and uh,
and I said, what's the secret?
(22:30):
And, uh, he said the abilityto continually show grace Yeah.
To each other.
And that's a big one.
That was powerful because,you'll always find a reason.
If you're looking for something wrongin someone, you'll always find it.
Yeah.
But if you're looking for a reason to showgrace, you can, uh, that can cover over so
(22:52):
many things, like does it really matter?
you know, my grandpa said whenI, I, I can ask him a similar
question, but he said that thehow quick you are to forgive Yeah.
I think was how he put it.
Yeah, yeah.
Yep.
Right.
In those same, yeah.
Yeah.
How quick you are to forgive.
Yeah.
And I was like, you know, I'm,I guess I gotta work on that
part of myself because Yeah.
(23:14):
Yeah.
I used to hold onto a grudgelike no other, oh, I can.
I know
that was one thing about myselfthat I have worked really hard on
was, to let go of things like that.
Mm-hmm.
and uh, just I try to remember, like Iknow everything that I went through and.
(23:40):
People around me have no idea about that.
So I kind of flip flop that like mm-hmm.
People around me, I have noidea what they go through.
We've all got our junk.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And people experience things differently.
Mm-hmm.
You know, your reality isnot the same as my reality.
No.
And that's just, something I,I learned my, my little brother
Eli struggled with, uh, paranoidschizophrenia and, um, he's one of
(24:04):
my best friends in this whole world.
I got to learn that through him.
Like regardless.
Yeah.
My reality is different than his,but it didn't make it any less real.
Sure.
Yeah.
And, um, that, that has stuck with me.
Yeah.
Good lesson.
Yeah.
All right, friends, again, thereis no PhD behind our names, so this
(24:25):
is our medical disclaimer here.
This is as an official as it gets.
But, uh, Stacy, if you've listenedto episode one, two, or this one.
You've noticed that she hasconsulted with her doctor?
Yes, absolutely.
And if you are on Suboxone or ifyou're thinking about getting on
Suboxone or getting on Sublocade.
Any of this journey we implore you,please go talk to your doctor, talk
(24:50):
to a medical professional, and just gothrough this, talk to 'em about what
a good plan for you is going to be.
This is Stacey's journey.
This is what's working for her andthe recovery support that she has
around her and her life at this point.
And, uh, we are just highlighting thisbecause we feel like it's a conversation
that not a lot of people are having.
(25:10):
And so we hope that through this itinspires people to just be curious,
to ask questions and also see whatthe other side of this is like.
Like what people are going throughwhen they make the decision.
Yeah.
And like how it's helping them, how it'shurting them, uh, what the trade offs are.
'cause there's always a trade off.
Yeah.
With everything.
So, and everybody's different.
Everybody's different.
(25:31):
Everybody experiences are different.
Yep.
So thank you for tuning in.
Again, if you have any questions,comments, or anything, feel
free to drop it down below.
If you have your own personalstory, I'd love to hear that.
Or how you have managed to eitherget off of Suboxone or what your
experience is like on Sublocade.
We would be very opento hearing about that.
(25:51):
So I'd like to know if anybody hasexperienced like this, the same
things that I do with like, theemotional thing or, or you know.
Mm-hmm.
The being able to sleepor, things like that.
If they.
Went through the same thing.
Yeah.
Like having, getting better rest orbeing able to wake up not feeling groggy.
Yeah.
Those are really good benefits.
Absolutely.
That's why I love hearing that.
I would love to see if there'sany direct correlation between,
(26:14):
uh, prescribing Sublocade goingup and suboxone going down.
You know, and I think I will askmy doctor a few questions too,
just to see what she can tell meabout even just the office and Yep.
What she's noticed the last,last five years with it.
Yeah, I would love to know.
I think these are important things.
So Cool.
(26:35):
As always, stay sober, not boring.
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