July 16, 2024 • 46 mins
In this episode Payton and Shayla continue the conversation about the ethical practices in our very unregulated industry. As the spiritual community begins to grow and become more exposed to greater audiences, there is more a need to find ways to combat frauds and unethical practices. They share about a course coming up that is helping to work towards a better way and they share good and bad experiences they've had when receiving readings in hopes as teachable moments.
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Hello, Souly listeners.
We're back again.
So excited to be here with you.
Hello, Ms.
Shayla.
Hello.
I hope everybody's staying cool.
It's hot where we both are indifferent places, but yeah, it's crazy.
The heat.
Yes.
We were both just talking aboutWell, and we're in two different,
obviously two different countriesthat, uh, measure heat differently.
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So we're trying to figure out the Celsiusto the Fahrenheit, how close it is.
But, yes, and I do apologize.
Something with the heat and myallergies are really horrible right now.
So I sound a little raspy, but,we'll get through it anyway.
So today we kind of want topiggyback a little bit from what
we were talking about last week.
And, I wanted to bring up, some kindof cool things that are on the horizon
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that are very relevant to this topic.
So last week we were touching on someof the things that we were finding in
this world, the spiritual space that,can sometimes be what we perceive as
maybe unethical or Or maybe not donein the, you know, the most highest
vibration, if we want to use the lingo.
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so it's interesting because I, both ofus have noticed how much, this is a huge
topic right now in the spiritual world.
I actually just listened to a podcastepisode of, uh, Woman in Canada, who
is a medium practicing medium, and sheis very drawn to physical mediumship,
which for those of you who are notfamiliar, so what Shala and I do is
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referred to as mental mediumship.
We're using our mind to connect.
physical mediumship isa little bit of a niche.
category within this world where that'skind of in that realm of like seances
and there's a lot of history tied toit kind of back to when spiritualism
started and you know it's if you'veever heard the term like ectoplasm it's
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when like this substance comes out ofthe medium that's supposed to be spirit
manifesting in a physical form there'sa lot of opinions out there about it
i you know i'll share personally idon't I don't really align with that.
I don't know if I, I don't knowwhat I feel about that world.
I really also don't knowhow necessary that is.
one thing about it that always wasa red flag for me was, you know, the
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medium has to be locked away and liketied down so that there's like no way
that they're moving or creating any ofthe things happening but all the lights
have to be off because spirit if if itmanifests in this physical way there's
the light destroys it which to me i'mlike If spirit from the other side,
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which is source, which is what createdeverything, which is all powerful, can't
handle light, which it's made from asit's manifesting in a physical form?
I know it's a very
specific course of, like, events andactions that have to be taking place.
I
don't know, I, there's a, um, there'sa show on Netflix we've, I know I've
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referenced it a couple of times calledsurviving death, where they touch
on a few topics and there's liketwo episodes, I think about mediums.
One of them really focuses on thisphysical mediumship and it's, I don't
know, it's pretty clear to me thatthere's some fraudulent behavior.
It's very easy for a fraud.
It's all very, it felt very hokey.
I don't know.
I just like about it.
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Like when I watch things or see things,especially within mediumship, it's like,
do I get a positive feeling in my body?
And when I watched that, I rememberthe first time I got this really
like, oh, contracted kind oflike sick feeling in my body.
I think we've talked about it beforetoo, but even just the voices that come
out to me just really disturbed me.
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They don't feel real.
I feel very like worse.
I also feel like.
And I've seen people on YouTube do thesethings, too, where they're channeling,
you know, people who are, you know,infamously murdered or things like that.
And sometimes it'll be a child, and itwill use that voice, that child voice,
and like, uh uh, like, I'm sorry, butwhen you are in spirit, there's no
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need to communicate in that manner.
Totally.
I believe, and that's kind of where I justthink that, you know, maybe at one point
in history, there was maybe a need forit, physical mediumship or so, and I don't
think that it's necessarily like that now.
I think there's more evidence a lot ofthe time in mental mediumship, if you
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can get, you know, good pinpoints ofevidence and validation consecutively
together, and I think also too, like,when you tie it with storytelling about
a person's life, I think that can havea lot more impact than an experience
where something in the dark touches you.
I don't know, I just find
Totally.
Yeah, that's kind of myfeelings on it right now.
Yeah, totally, and I'm in the same space,so, And I will even, you know, I have a
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family member, an ancestor really, becauseshe's a couple generations back, but
she held seances and she did this work.
it wasn't the tied down in the box inthe dark room that, that I feel came a
little bit, you know, Later, this waslike old school people sitting around a
table, holding hands, you know, tryingto bring through spirit, which to me,
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that's, to me, that kind of feels alittle more mental mediumship than
physical, but you know, she would, shewas known for doing this and, and whatnot.
So, so the woman that is from Canada thatI'm referencing here, she is a, she is a
very, And she is a very ethical provider.
She very much in a very honest andtrue way is exploring these things so
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she went and attended in the Statesover in New York, this big physical
mediumship like convention thing thatwas run by this Like supposedly really
well known medium and due to herexperience, she shares on this episode.
and I'll share, I'm going toput the episode in the notes
cause it's actually fascinating.
It's really long.
Same podcast as you.
I know which one you're talking about.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
And so, yeah.
And she talks about how because ofcircumstances, she ended up sitting really
close to the, the, the medium to whereshe was able to witness that so much
fraud and like so much stuff going on.
And, You know, and then she's kind of,if you follow her story, she's been kind
of like going, you know, she, she keepsdeveloping this and, and all of that.
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So, I came across that.
And then, I've just noticedother, you know, other people out
in the spiritual, uh, space arestarting to address this topic.
So, as you all know, I, am a mentor atspirit school that is run by Danielle
Searancke known as the Squamish mediumand her and I chatted last weekend, and
she has been trying to figure out a wayto create something to help us combat
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that, you know, because my questionsare, how do we address this issue?
You know, how do we, is it througheducation to, the public as like,
these are red flags to look for?
Is it, you know, how can we do this?
That's right.
Do you call out these people that weknow are creating fraud because it
takes one fraudster to ruin it formost of us, you know, because this is
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already a very touchy world that wework in, and people are looking for a
reason to prove that, you know, thatwe're, you know, that we're all frauds.
As you know, we don't believe that.
So, so, so this is really cool.
So what Danielle has decidedshe's created a course, that she's
opened up for, people developing.
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And, it is called the declaration and.
What this is, is a four class program thatis going to go over topics like, keeping
integrity with what it is you're doing,client care and relationship management
with those clients, transparencyand professionalism when it comes to
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readings, and then cultural sensitivity.
And inclusivity, when it comes to working.
So, and then, once you complete thiscourse, there will be a, spirit school
ethics considerations badge, which willhave a number that will be associated
just with you, and it will havesomething that you can then post on
your social media, you can post on yourwebsites, This way, there's something
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out there that says I took the time.
I dedicated some energy to try to makesure that I learned as much as I could
so that I could perform in the highestmanner possible so that I can I can
show that I take this very seriously.
I realize this is a sacred calling, andI want to do this the best way possible.
So I think this is awesome.
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The live classes are goingto be August 2nd, August 9th,
August 16th, and August 23rd.
for four classes, it will be 300, U.
S.
dollars.
So, and then people that are partof her Spirit School Collective,
there is a 25 percent discount.
I think she's got a, another possiblediscount for, Canadian subscribers
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or people that are in, uh, Canada.
Canada.
So, she does great with likemaking things very accessible for
everyone and everyone's needs.
So, I will put the link in our show notes.
I highly recommend for all of youlight workers out there, that are not
connected in that community and maybehaven't seen this, get advertised yet
to take a look at it, you know, just.
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it can't hurt.
I think the more of us out therethat do it, I think the better.
and I think more of these ideas and thesekinds of things coming out is going to be
one of the best ways for us to combat someof the, stuff that's going on out there.
And for those that are out there,like the, the, the reader that I
referenced in our last episode.
It was very clear that this womanis, she's a gifted intuitive.
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She just, you know, I don't think thatmaybe she has gotten the right training
on how to navigate all situations.
So that, you know, the, especially thatlike client relationship management,
how do you speak to them appropriately?
How do you, how do you holdthat space appropriately?
So, this is for everyone.
And I think this, I thinkthis is going to be great.
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So
yeah, I think it's a really good starton creating something that's kind
of solid that you can go to, becauseobviously this is not a regulated
industry in any manner, shape or form.
And so when you can have somebody whoNo, for us, you know, like we do trust
her and like what she has to offer.
And I feel like she's very genuine SoI think it's a good opportunity for
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people who, if they're also even likelooking for community or they don't
know where to start with all of that,it's like swirling around their head
and it's like, how do I communicate thatto, my clients and things like that?
That could be a really good.
You know, way to get into it.
So you can create that declaration,understand your boundaries, understand,
you know, your ethics and what you standfor and put them in a way that, you
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know, people can see and understand,what you stand for and all that stuff.
So.
That's a good, I think, opportunity.
And I would also say, for those whomight not be drawn to taking it, even
just thinking for yourself, like,what do you stand for and how can you
communicate that to your audience?
So maybe putting somethingon your website, you know,
that explains how you work.
Also, I think it's really importantto be clear, when you're doing the
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process to get somebody registered in,making sure you're very clear about,
you know, What you do and don't do.
I know for me, that's what Ihave, on there just so people
understand the boundaries of,how I work and things like that.
So I think there'sdifferent ways to do it.
I think it's a really wonderful wayfor people to connect, and find their
voice in that way, because I think it isgetting frustrating for a lot of people
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that are in this field and it kind of.
it's a weird one and it's like reallycoming strongly that especially last like
year, but it's just building to this pointnow people like have to say something.
Yep, yep.
Yeah.
And she also shared a real,not too long ago where it was.
a few bullet points of some redflags to pay attention to out there.
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So, I'm going to repeat a couple ofthem just for those of you out there
that maybe, aren't in the spiritualspace, but are curious and do like
to get a reading every now and then.
Um, if someone messages you and asks, ittells you they want to give you a reading,
that's, that's an absolute red flag.
Especially if they, especially ifthe message starts with beloved.
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There's a lot of fake, uh, there's alot of fake, uh, accounts out there
that mimic like our counts and,um, thankfully knock on wood yet.
I haven't had mine compromised yet,but it's kind of a matter of time.
And the messages alwaysstart with like, beloved.
I was drawn to your energy.
And I just, I have a messagefrom your loved ones.
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Like I would never call you beloved ever.
I've never said that word.
So funny.
It's so funny.
It's And then, the other one waslike, if people give you definite
timelines or definite likeoutcomes, that's a big red flag too.
It doesn't necessarily meanthat that person's a fraud.
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It just means that you need to bereally careful in what you're receiving.
Like, No one, it doesn't matter howpsychic or how powerful or how much,
how long they've been doing this.
No one can for sure, in my opinion,give any kind of certainty as to when
events in the future are going to happen.
There's no way to 100 percentknow that because as I've said
before, the future is fluid.
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and then I'm trying to thinkof what the other ones were.
It's, it's just kind of,it's, it's that kind of stuff.
Do you have any that you canthink of off the top of your head?
I would say in general, like For whenyou get a scam account following you
because there's a lot of I get a lot ofpeople trying to follow me and I have to
block them, I would just say instantlyblock them, even if it's somebody you
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know whose account is being mimicked,chances are they know, and they're
probably receiving like, Right, right.
Possibly hundreds of messages a day.
And I'll guarantee you right nowthat they're trying to get it down.
It's just that meta, all thisstuff doesn't really care.
so just block them, get them out ofyour energy, out of your area there.
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Um, also to look things that are kind ofred flags and seeing like random imagery.
That doesn't really look cohesive.
It kind of looks all sporadic.
You can see usually it'll beposted on one, one day or two days.
It'll be like June 14th, 14th,14th, like a hundred posts.
That's a red flag.
Also too, one thing I noticed is thatLike, they'll obviously take people's real
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pictures and put them on their profile,but there's always like a dead energy
to the photo, which is so interestingbecause obviously it's like a real genuine
person that's like doing work, but theystole it, but there's something about
it that when they put the photo on,the energy is not right and instantly
I'll know just by even looking at it.
I'm like, Oh, it feels likeSomeone wearing a mask.
Like, that's the feeling of it.
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Sneaking up behind you.
That's a
great, that's a great way to put it.
That's a great way to put it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So just being mindful ofthose little like cues.
And then I heard something alittle bit unsettling recently.
I don't even remember who it was thatI followed, but A media was saying
that she had people who were gettingreadings from her, but it wasn't her.
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It was somebody using avideo AI filter as her.
Wow.
Yeah.
So look out for that too.
Now you guys
gotta be careful out there.
There is something.
Yeah, I know like With the internetand with social media and, you know,
you can get readings from thesegreat, mediums and psychics from
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all over the world, you know, justfrom the comfort of your own home.
But, there is something also powerfulabout getting an in person reading.
You can, you can definitelyavoid a lot of that now.
You still need to be aware ofthe person you're going to in
person and, and all of that.
But there's a lot out there.
There is a lot out there.
Yes.
Which kind of segues us towhat we're talking about today.
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So we wanna just touch a little bit moreon this topic and kind of share a few
things and then kind of move on from it.
But I don't think we've ever reallyshared some of our worst readings
and some of our best readings.
And I think there's some veryteachable moments in each of them
because in the bad ones, I had a lotof red flags, or I got to see certain
ethics that I felt were being broken.
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or just kind of sketchy.
Ways of reading.
And then for the ones that wereamazing, I got to see the beauty
of how a reading can be so powerfulif you have strong ethics and you
have developed good language skillsaround how you deliver your reading.
So you said in person, and thatreminded me of a recent reading
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I had quite a few months ago.
I can't even really call it a reading.
And I'm going to share this.
I hope in a way that doesn't come offjudgmental, but at the same time it was
really not good, the reading at all.
So I want to try to do it, like Isaid, from a teachable perspective.
I also know that this person I don'teven think would ever be on technology
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and doesn't really listen to podcasts.
So I think I'm safe with thesharing some of this stuff with
that, but I'll still try to bemore anonymous with how I say it.
And then I also want to share, youknow, a really good reading I had
many years ago that to this day.
I just still look back on and I'mjust completely blown away with it.
And then I'd like to hear yours too,Payton, because I'm sure you have.
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Oh, I have a
couple.
Okay, so my mom met somebody atlike a local fair kind of thing.
and she really just likeimmediately connected to her
personality and things like that.
and they just kind of got along.
And so this woman said she did like energyhealing and readings and things like that.
And so my mom initially wanted to do abigger group reading because this person
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offers like in home readings of like,small to large groups kind of thing.
And so she wanted to like invite hercousins and different things like that.
And I was like, okay, well maybe weshould just kind of like first see how
she is before we like, you know, inviteother people into the whole equation.
And so she ended up doing it for myself.
That was my mom and thenit was, her boyfriend.
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And so there were a few differentthings that kind of were a
little bit red flagging to me.
So she came over, which is all good, but.
I ended up coming over a little bit laterbecause I was like, Oh, he's, she's going
to do the reading for, my boyfriend first.
And so I stayed in contact with her,but I ended up coming over probably like
three hours after the whole thing startedbecause this person gave him like a
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three hour reading, which to me, I feellike, yeah, to me, I feel like that's.
It's something you have to becareful of with your energy.
It's really important to haveboundaries and placement of if you
have a larger group, you know, delegatecertain amounts of time to them.
and so I did walk in, actually, I probablywalked in at like the two and a half hour
mark, I would say, because I was thereand I was able to hear and listen to
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the way that she was giving the reading.
And so the things that kind ofbothered me with it were that she
was not really giving evidence.
She was more so.
Allowing him to talk.
So my mom's with her to talk and thenshe would take things off of that
and then kind of go along with that.
And so I'm sitting there going,Ooh, I don't know about this
kind of thing just to begin with.
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And then part of me was like,well, maybe she's at the end of,
she's been doing this for a while.
She's been at it for alittle over two hours.
I did find out later on that for mymom, that it was basically the same
as when I was there kind of thing.
So.
That to me was frustrating.
and then after that, she ended updoing a reading for me, but she was
basically just looking at my looksand what she perceived me to be.
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When I'm with my mom, my mom'sa little bit younger looking.
Sometimes I can look younger.
So she just assumed that I was very, veryyoung, like probably 20, which thank you.
That's nice of you to say,
right.
I'll take it.
I also had braces on at the time.
So that probably like added to myyouthful appearance, but she ended
up just kind of saying like, Oh,you don't have any life experience.
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You just need morethings to happen to you.
You're just too dependent on your mom andblah, blah, blah, and all these things.
I'm not at all, like, I'mvery, independent with that.
always have been.
I'm the oldest of four kids, single mom.
I took on a lot of responsibility andI felt a lot of crazy things happen
in my life that I'm like, Oh my God.
I was like, during the, what she'ssaying, I'm thinking, Oh my God, please.
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No, I would not want to have any more.
Like I need a break from life experience.
But so that was a reallyfrustrating part of it too.
And then it was funny because then shewould try to like, Get me to say things
and then eventually I was like, whatever.
It's like, well, actually I have threechildren and Their ages came to light.
I have like a 13 year old and she wasjust completely shocked I could see
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just face of shock and then she triedto kind of backpedal a little bit But
before that she found out that I thinkmy mom mentioned that I do mediumship
Work and she's like, oh, you know, youneed, you need more life experience.
Like you won't be able to help peoplebecause you need more life experience.
You put that on the back burner.
You go, I'm like, oh my God.
Okay.
And then she's saying all thesethings based on what she's perceiving
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my appearance to be obviously.
And so that was kind of justInteresting to kind of watch how
that kind of played out and justthe language she used around that.
and then when she found out.
I had kids and she kind of switched it tothat, but then she found out I was deaf.
Because my mom's a talker.
And that's the thing too.
Like when you have people, you haveto also kind of educate them and say,
okay, so I, as I do this, I need youto just say yes or no and not elaborate
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unless I ask you to after, right.
Cause then that feeds the medium.
And so with that, my mom told hersomething that I was planning on
doing, which I'm still planningon potentially doing the fall.
And she's like, oh no, you shouldn'tdo that because your children.
And then she just started offeringlike advice that didn't align at all.
so, that was.
An interesting experience.
And then she did my mom and it wasjust, mom's like, Oh, I would like to
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see if anybody wants to come forward.
I have a lot of people in spirit.
And she's like, Oh, well, whodo you want to come forward?
And then she kind of just started fishing.
And then my mom's ends up telling herwho she wants to communicate with.
And then it was just very like,well, what do you want to know?
And it was like, she just kind ofwas feeding it kind of thing and
wanted to know what my mom wanted tohear and hear her say, and so that
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was, that was a really disappointingreading and I'm really glad that
it was just us, that experienced itbecause I just, I guess I have a lot,
I guess I didn't have high standardsat this point, for certain things.
I understand that not everybody readsthe same way and things like that,
but I also think it's important.
I found she was an energy healer more so.
She did a little bit of energyhealing and I was like, Oh
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yeah, I can feel her energy.
But I'm like, if you don't do somethingelse and you know, you're not really
into it or you're not good at itor you don't, that's not your lane.
It's okay to say, oh, I actually don'tdo that, but this is what I do offer.
Correct.
Right.
And give that in the most beautifulway that you can give because that's
something you really shine at.
So, I would say, the worst.
I'm trying to think if there wasanything else that happened within that.
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It was just silly.
I don't know.
It was just like, oh, andthen I was trying to be like,
okay, be open to her, right?
Like Right.
Don't be an asshole, right?
But what I was just watching her liketalking to you my mom's boyfriend and
things like I'm like, oh that is notYou know ethical to say that or it was
just not a good reading so kind of justlearning from that and then it also
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was like Annoying to hear somebody say,oh you shouldn't be doing that work.
You don't know Yeah.
And then another thing she said, Oh,well, you, you, well, I guess I could see
you connecting to really young people.
Do you work with teenagers?
And I'm like, no, I actually work withwomen who are generally women who are
in their thirties, forties, fifties.
Like that's the thing I gravitate towards.
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So yeah, I was just a very, um, Youknow, cold and hot tactics kind of use.
I was trying not to say anything,but at a certain point, I could not
say anything because that's all shehad to offer for what was happening.
Right.
So I just had to kindof take it as it was.
But then it also didvalidate me afterwards.
I was like, you know what, I sometimescan be really hard on myself as to Always
trying to make sure that, I give the bestreading I can, and I always want to come
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in with that intention, but at the sametime, it's like sometimes I don't realize
how much I have to offer people, right?
So that kind of was like, Oh, like,she's going out and doing this and
charging 300, 400 a night for this.
Yeah, right.
You know, that kind of feeling.
So yeah, that was An interesting one.
And now I, at like, when we goto like the markets and stuff,
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I try to stay on the side.
I don't know if shewould recognize me again.
I'm like, to converse with her really.
So
it's hard with those.
It's hard with the psychicfairs in the markets.
Like, there are some amazing practitionersthat go there and I'm actually.
I've been approached to do one of theones here locally, in the fall, and I'm
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considering it because I think it willbe a great way to kind of showcase how
I, present in this world and, you know,what I do offer but from my experience
thus far, whenever I went to those, youknow, it always just, there's a lot of
hokey pokey there and, it's I, I've alsoreceived some like not great guidance
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and just sent kind of like, and I don'teven those kind of scenarios I my biggest
hesitation into even doing the psychicfair is like, how do I sit and really
connect with someone and really like,keep my integrity and what I'm doing
when there's a hundred plus people.
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You know, around me and there'sjust all this commotion going on.
And, so I, I'm still kindof thinking about it.
I think there's a way that Ican navigate that appropriately.
And, you know, but, When you weretalking, it reminded me, I was a kid
and I was at, I was old enough to, Iwas at that age, you know, puberty age,
and I was, I was starting to understandthat maybe I wasn't quite like all the
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other, all the other boys in class.
Like, that's when I realized I was gayand I went to a, It was a county fair.
Now, that right there, if youhave a psychic intuitive reader
at a county fair, that's your signthat it's probably a red flag.
So, and that's a broad stroke.
So I'm sorry if I offend anyone that,you know, that is their outlet and
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they are doing this with integrity.
So, I mean, I'm sure there arepeople out there, but I remember this
woman, I was there with a girl thatwas a friend of mine, and she was
kind of off behind me a little bit.
And so I went up to this woman and she waslike, right away, she's like, Oh, you're
going to fall in love with the, this girl.
She's blonde.
She loves you so much.
And I was like, I want my money back.
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No, thank you.
Right there.
You're full of shit.
God.
So yeah, I don't know.
You just got to be careful.
I mean, sometimes that is the bestplace to be able to introduce people
to what you do, but you know, there'salso, there's also a lot, a lot there.
Yeah.
And I think there's always a way tofind a way to make it professional
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and bring it in an authentic way.
Right.
But yeah, it's just, again, navigatingsome of the common things that
can happen in those situations.
I also too, but at the same market, thereis this more like witchy kind of shop.
And it was funny because I want toget a reading from this person because
I'm curious to see how she works.
I like to see how peoplejust work in general.
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Right.
So I asked her how much it was.
She told me a price.
And then a few minutes later, I waslike, Ooh, ask her what it is again.
I asked her what it is again.
And she left it by 15.
And she was like, Oh, 45.
I'm like, okay, but Istill did it anyways.
I'm like, I still wantto see what you have.
That's like a little, youknow, A little tricky, but
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It's hard.
I'm trying to think of likemy worst reading I had.
I actually, it was rightwhen I started this.
Well, besides the one at the countyfair, it was, uh, at the beginning,
kind of my development journey,I was connected with a woman in a
different city south of where I'm at.
that was apparently really good.
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And, she.
only does phone reading.
So, which is great.
That was fine.
So I did the telephone reading and itworks just the same for anyone out there
wondering phone readings, it all works.
so she gave me this reading and shejust like very specifically hit all
these things that were very true.
And but she started the conversation outwith, you know, I'm kind of old school.
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I've been doing this a long time.
You know, you can't find me onsocial media, blah, blah, blah.
and I was like, yeah, no problem.
No worries.
and she even maybe made a commentthat she didn't want the access to
social media because there's the ideaout there that with is accessible as
everyone's information is out there.
What's to keep us from doingour research beforehand.
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Well, go to a good medium andyou'll see that they'll bring you
information that has nothing to dowith what's on your social media.
however, after my reading and I was alittle bit blown away, but then once she
got past like some specific details andshe kind of gave me more of the like.
The, the read, that informationdidn't hit home at all.
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It was so, it was so out there.
And so I then just kind of lookedand I was like, well, son of a bitch.
I was like, everything shesaid is literally the first few
scrolls through my Facebook page.
Like, She clearly went on my, and then,and the, and the way that I know that's
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true is because when someone goes to yoursocial media that you're not connected
with and they search for you, and I, Imean, they look at you, they will pop up
as someone that might, you might know.
And I don't think she knew that.
So here's a picture of this woman with thesame exact name who, you know, I have, do
I have no connections with that is came upas a suggested, person that I might know.
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So I was like, okay, that.
That's, that's ballsy.
That is just ballsy.
That's terrible.
Yeah.
But those being said, we havealso, I have had 10 times more
amazing, beautiful connectionsand readings than I have bad ones.
So thankfully as we, you know, we keepbeing like warning, warning, warning,
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but there are a lot more people out therethat, really do handle this beautifully
and really do, offer a lot of, of value.
Beautiful messaging and beautifulhealing and do it in a really good way.
So, I don't, I don't want to just alwayskeep harping on the bad ones, but it,
it takes one bad one to, like I said,make the rest of us look, look terrible.
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Yeah.
I feel like we need to talk aboutit so that it can like be purged out
and then like, you know, keep goingon your merry way kind of thing.
Seeing the light that thereis in this world and the good
people that do this as well.
so one that like going to the positivenow, one of the readings that I think
back at I'm just like blown away bywas by this girl who was, she had been
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kind of doing it more like, You know,secretly for a while kind of thing,
but we met in a development class andwe had a practice sitting together
and I had typically I've been doinga lot of practices at that point.
And typically I would be the one who wouldbring forth more information for people.
I never really quite had.
I really like whole reading kind of thing.
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It was just like littlepieces here and there.
I was like, oh yeah, I can see thepatterns of like certain people
who would come in like my grandma.
She come in very specifically withlike three or four different things.
And my grandpa on my dad's side,which I find so funny, like I've
mentioned before, he's like someoneI would not necessarily want to
connect with in this lifetime anymore.
But they'd always bring through the samesymbols for him and things like that.
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So that was interesting.
But she brought through somebodywho I've only ever really had come
through a few times in reading.
So my husband's dad, he passed away.
And so the way that she did it,it was very much like you said,
like, you would never know it.
This is not social mediasharing information whatsoever.
This is like very personal, deep cuts,very dramatic situation that happened.
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And she just like channeled his essence.
Like, I can't even quiteexplain the feeling of it.
So I could just feel him, the way thatshe articulated it was exactly how he
would have spoken and his mannerisms.
It was really interesting because she had.
Just the life that she had led before,was very much for her to understand
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what he would be going through, whathe'd want to say to us, kind of.
She had some similar experiences inher life, too, with that, and she just
explained the situation to the exacttee, like, it was crazy, and I was crying
because it was just such an emotionalthing where, like, I wondered, am I in
the wrong for this, like, What happenedwith certain things and she was able to
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really pinpoint certain things and thensay like, this is how it feels about it.
This is what he's saying to you now.
And so it was like lots of validation,lots of evidence, timelines, relationships
to certain people that you wouldn'tbe able to, you know, pull apart from
social media, for example, right?
So that was phenomenal and so healing.
Like to me, that was somethingthat I just really, really needed.
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And like my husband's dad is thetype of guy who just doesn't really.
Speak up like he wouldn't hejust has a very interesting like
personality type kind of thing.
So it was I just found it so interestingthat he chose her to communicate this
stuff with and that was probably like thatwas like the beginning of my development.
Five or six years ago kind of thing.
So that's always stuck with me.
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It's a very meaningful, even tothis day, I think I still have it.
I should go listen to it again.
It's kind of see like whatit brings up and stuff, but
yeah, that was an amazing one.
It was interesting because she had tonavigate some very distressful situations,
but she was able to word it reallykindly and yes, which was really, I
appreciated her doing it in that way.
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So yes,
and that offered you so muchhealing and it was so beautiful
for you because it was, it wasso close to what it is you knew.
And it was handled in sucha delicate, gentle way.
And that's, I mean, that right thereis the exact thing we're talking about.
It's like how to appropriately have theseconversations with people when you're
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delivering these kinds of messages andyou're connecting in this way and you're,
you're able to access this information.
knowing how to navigate thatappropriately is so important.
Yeah, no, it was reallyamazing how she did it.
And it was funny too, because it was like,Like paperwork, like things that like
are so nitty gritty, like very complex.
And she was able to likepinpoint the things that
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happened with that and all that.
So that was really cool andreally cool too, because I
could feel him around, right?
Like that's, that's the layer of extra.
Sometimes when you listen backto the readings, you're like, Oh,
I don't feel it as much as I didbefore, but that's because they're
not sitting such close proximity.
So you kind of kind of like when you.
Are at a concert and you feel the energythere, but then you watch it on video
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again, you're like, oh, this feelsdifferent, but it's still impactful,
but
just a little different, right?
So
great analogy for sure.
Yeah.
I had a similar one and Ihope she's listening Barb.
Hi Barb.
Barb gave, me a reading, we weredoing practice readings, uh, with
each other, if I remember correctly.
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And she brought through a friend of mine.
And this friend comes through quite often.
She's a very lively spirit.
it's always amazing when she comesthrough and it's, it's, it's beautiful.
the things that she always givesthe people, to bring through,
but, there was something that.
I really struggled with, abouta conversation that we had
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had and before she passed.
And, it's just something thathas just always, after she
passed, always sat with me funny.
And the way that Barb connected with herenergy, I could tell like the details
she brought through so many detailsabout what was going on around the time.
I mean, specific stuff that like,again, you know, and, um, also
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this is not a relative of mine.
So, you know, that's not, how would sheknow to go and find this person, you know?
And she talked about that exact thing andlike told me to quit worrying about it.
And I had never shared that withanyone like that is no one knew that
I'd never shared that with anyone.
And the way she, I mean, that was oneof the most powerful ones I received.
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that just, it just kindof, it really blew me away.
And I've had a ton ofreally great readings.
Like I've, I've been very lucky to connectwith a lot of really amazing mediums.
throughout this journey that haveoffered a lot of great connections to it.
I have a lot of people in spirit.
I'm kind of, I'm kind of easy to readfor because you can't, Even throw
a rock without hitting someone thatis passed that I'm connected to.
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There's just happens to be a lot,but, I'm just very lucky that
I've been able to experience that.
So, that's why we do this work because itcan offer such a beautiful drop of healing
and to someone's grief into someone'sworry into, you know, most people are
just worried, regardless of how religiousor faithful or spiritual they are.
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You just worry that that personyou loved isn't around anymore.
And if we're able to make it veryclear that, you know, Hey, I'm just
interpreting what's coming through.
you know, like I've said before, it'slike my, uh, my friend, Carolynne always,
termed it, it's charades with ghosts.
You know, I'm trying to interpretwhat they're showing me.
And like you said, with your medium,If the spirit knows that if we have
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a certain experience that is closeto what they had, they're going to
be able to get that story across.
So sometimes people go in there, they'rewaiting to hear the specific detail.
They're waiting to hear the specific thingthat medium might not have a reference
for what that detail is, and they're notgoing to be able to bring it through.
So, it's just such a beautifulhealing thing for those
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people that are sitting there.
And I also wanted to share, as I'veshared on here, I've been, I've been
on a roller coaster this year with,with feeling connected, feeling, you
know, ups and downs and all of that.
And I, I wasn't doing a lot ofreadings there for a while and I wasn't
doing my normal spiritual practices.
and.
I just kept feeling kind offurther and further away from
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spirit and from that connection.
And something that I just realizedreally recently that I wanted to share
in here, because this is how much, notonly does this bring healing to other
people, which has always been my focus.
I didn't realize how much healingthat was going to bring for
me in so many different ways.
so recently I've been kindof getting back into it.
I've been doing a lot of readings.
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they've been going very well, whichI've been a little surprised because I'm
like, I'm a little rusty, but here we go.
but it's crazy.
And after doing these readings,it's like it filled up my cup again.
It's like my, my, mywell got filled up again.
And, I didn't realize how much I missedit and how much that doing that practice
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and connecting with spirit and beingable to offer that to someone else, how
beautiful that is and how much I likeI really need that now, you know, and I
think we've talked about it before I'mlike, I don't want to, it's like, once you
know what that connection is like and theamount of love and joy and, and gratitude
that comes along with that, it's hardto not have that around after a while.
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You tend to miss it.
And, it's like once your, yoursoul lights back up again, you're,
you doesn't want to turn off.
It wants to, you know, it wants tostay lit, but you've got to be able
to do it in a balanced and healthyway because you still are a human.
And, looking back, Irealized I got burnout.
and that's where some of this was.
For a lot of reasons, but that's, I thinkwhere some of my little journey just
recently was about, but it was beautiful.
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And then also what was interesting was,as I've talked about, as I shared on the
last episode about how, like, it's reallyimportant for us to human, something
else that came to me that I wanted toshare with all of you out there on your
journey as well, is that thinning ofthat connection, that, uh, distance that
was built, that, uh, That time I hadthat was a little darker and, I really
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had to just deal with some human stuff.
I expected to come back a weaker medium,but I actually came back a stronger one.
And so it was like those months ofgoing through that was almost worth
more than, you know, a six week.
course of mentorship with, you know,the world's greatest medium or whatever
that is, or a development course.
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Those are very important.
I'm not, I'm not saying those likethat is key to development, but I
didn't realize I was going to get justas much, if not more, Experience and
understanding and connection by justhaving this really hard human experience.
So, yeah, it's been, it's, it's been alittle bit mind blowing and eye opening.
And, then it allows me to moveinto a space more of gratitude
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for what I just walked through.
Which I mean, that's, that'skind of best case scenario.
So, I hope that makes sense to some ofyou out there because, I know I'm not the
only person that has, has communicatedabout, some of the struggles and whatnot.
And, it's been beautiful tokind of see how, how I've, have
been able to benefit from that.
Yeah.
No, I'm glad you shared that.
And I think sometimes when you'vehad that period of kind of turbulence
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and stuff like that, it can behard to jump back into the water.
I would say readings and things likethat and it kind of feels scary.
You're like, oh, I'm at the edge,like jumping into like, right.
Or from a cliff or whatever.
So you just have to kind of take that,jump back into it, but it just shows you
how, you know, spirit will support you.
Like, I have your back.
You've got this.
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You're always there.
You know, and that's justtiming of life, right?
Like sometimes we just need that.
And I know I've had thatexperience in the past too.
I haven't quite jumped back intothings yet, but I've had that in the
past where I'm like, Oh my gosh, it'sbeen six months and I'm so nervous.
And then you go and you do it.
It's like, wow, that, thatconnection is really strong.
So anyone else out there is goingto like discourage and like, I'm not
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sure if they should go back into it.
Just take that, that jump and see, andsee what happens and where it leads
right.
Yeah.
And trust, like you said, thebest teacher, the best mentor, the
best guide is going to be spirit.
Once you commit to this road, youknow, it's really in their hands.
They are going to lead itand bring experiences to
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you, and bring opportunities.
And then they're going to bringmoments where they're like,
okay, you need to deal with this.
part of your world that youhaven't dealt with or that maybe
you thought you dealt with.
You need to heal this shit.
You need to, you know, you needto get this stuff taken care of.
We're going to be here.
You might not notice this as much becauseyou're going to be really dense in your
energy and not as expanded, but youneed to be right now so that you can
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expand even greater on the other side.
So, I hope that helps.
I don't know if I would have heard thatif that would have necessarily helped
guide me through all the darkness.
But, it's kind of one of those thingsI think you do have to just, you can
have to walk through and experience.
but I hope that at least if youare hearing this and then that
day does come that it's somewherein the back of your head.
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Back there that there, there is reason,there is purpose, you know, I don't
like the bypassing this feeling of like,there's a meaning to everything, you
know, that phrase, but I, I do believe,I do believe in when you have faith in
it, that, you know, there is reason.
I actually saw, I don'tknow how she saved it.
If I saved it, I'll share it atsome point, but it was a video
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of, I think it was a Lotus.
flower and it was one of those videoswhere they watch the flower and you
see how it grows and expands andit was contracting and expanding.
And the whole thing was like,sometimes you have to contract
and kind of go backwards in orderto expand and go forwards again.
So that was very like, just all you'resaying totally reminds me of that.
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I think that's true in life.
Like I've had many moments whereI feel like, Oh my gosh, I'm going
backwards, like, you know, contracting,but then it actually, you know, I end
up expanding more and reaching intothings I didn't expect to happen, but
it kind of things kind of need to unfoldin a way that I didn't expect it to.
So, yeah.
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I love your analogies today.
They're just right on.
They're, they're good.
You're, you're tuned in.
Well, I'll start writing a book now.
Yeah, write, write them down, makea list, you know, we, we need them.
They're good.
All right.
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We're back again.
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Hello, Ms.
Shayla.
Hello.
I hope everybody's staying cool.
It's hot where we both are indifferent places, but yeah, it's crazy.
The heat.
Yes.
We were both just talking aboutWell, and we're in two different,
obviously two different countriesthat, uh, measure heat differently.
(01:07):
So we're trying to figure out the Celsiusto the Fahrenheit, how close it is.
But, yes, and I do apologize.
Something with the heat and myallergies are really horrible right now.
So I sound a little raspy, but,we'll get through it anyway.
So today we kind of want topiggyback a little bit from what
we were talking about last week.
And, I wanted to bring up, some kindof cool things that are on the horizon
(01:29):
that are very relevant to this topic.
So last week we were touching on someof the things that we were finding in
this world, the spiritual space that,can sometimes be what we perceive as
maybe unethical or Or maybe not donein the, you know, the most highest
vibration, if we want to use the lingo.
(01:50):
so it's interesting because I, both ofus have noticed how much, this is a huge
topic right now in the spiritual world.
I actually just listened to a podcastepisode of, uh, Woman in Canada, who
is a medium practicing medium, and sheis very drawn to physical mediumship,
which for those of you who are notfamiliar, so what Shala and I do is
(02:13):
referred to as mental mediumship.
We're using our mind to connect.
physical mediumship isa little bit of a niche.
category within this world where that'skind of in that realm of like seances
and there's a lot of history tied toit kind of back to when spiritualism
started and you know it's if you'veever heard the term like ectoplasm it's
(02:35):
when like this substance comes out ofthe medium that's supposed to be spirit
manifesting in a physical form there'sa lot of opinions out there about it
i you know i'll share personally idon't I don't really align with that.
I don't know if I, I don't knowwhat I feel about that world.
I really also don't knowhow necessary that is.
one thing about it that always wasa red flag for me was, you know, the
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medium has to be locked away and liketied down so that there's like no way
that they're moving or creating any ofthe things happening but all the lights
have to be off because spirit if if itmanifests in this physical way there's
the light destroys it which to me i'mlike If spirit from the other side,
(03:20):
which is source, which is what createdeverything, which is all powerful, can't
handle light, which it's made from asit's manifesting in a physical form?
I know it's a very
specific course of, like, events andactions that have to be taking place.
I
don't know, I, there's a, um, there'sa show on Netflix we've, I know I've
(03:44):
referenced it a couple of times calledsurviving death, where they touch
on a few topics and there's liketwo episodes, I think about mediums.
One of them really focuses on thisphysical mediumship and it's, I don't
know, it's pretty clear to me thatthere's some fraudulent behavior.
It's very easy for a fraud.
It's all very, it felt very hokey.
I don't know.
I just like about it.
(04:04):
Like when I watch things or see things,especially within mediumship, it's like,
do I get a positive feeling in my body?
And when I watched that, I rememberthe first time I got this really
like, oh, contracted kind oflike sick feeling in my body.
I think we've talked about it beforetoo, but even just the voices that come
out to me just really disturbed me.
(04:27):
They don't feel real.
I feel very like worse.
I also feel like.
And I've seen people on YouTube do thesethings, too, where they're channeling,
you know, people who are, you know,infamously murdered or things like that.
And sometimes it'll be a child, and itwill use that voice, that child voice,
and like, uh uh, like, I'm sorry, butwhen you are in spirit, there's no
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need to communicate in that manner.
Totally.
I believe, and that's kind of where I justthink that, you know, maybe at one point
in history, there was maybe a need forit, physical mediumship or so, and I don't
think that it's necessarily like that now.
I think there's more evidence a lot ofthe time in mental mediumship, if you
(05:10):
can get, you know, good pinpoints ofevidence and validation consecutively
together, and I think also too, like,when you tie it with storytelling about
a person's life, I think that can havea lot more impact than an experience
where something in the dark touches you.
I don't know, I just find
Totally.
Yeah, that's kind of myfeelings on it right now.
Yeah, totally, and I'm in the same space,so, And I will even, you know, I have a
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family member, an ancestor really, becauseshe's a couple generations back, but
she held seances and she did this work.
it wasn't the tied down in the box inthe dark room that, that I feel came a
little bit, you know, Later, this waslike old school people sitting around a
table, holding hands, you know, tryingto bring through spirit, which to me,
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that's, to me, that kind of feels alittle more mental mediumship than
physical, but you know, she would, shewas known for doing this and, and whatnot.
So, so the woman that is from Canada thatI'm referencing here, she is a, she is a
very, And she is a very ethical provider.
She very much in a very honest andtrue way is exploring these things so
(06:16):
she went and attended in the Statesover in New York, this big physical
mediumship like convention thing thatwas run by this Like supposedly really
well known medium and due to herexperience, she shares on this episode.
and I'll share, I'm going toput the episode in the notes
cause it's actually fascinating.
It's really long.
Same podcast as you.
I know which one you're talking about.
(06:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so, yeah.
And she talks about how because ofcircumstances, she ended up sitting really
close to the, the, the medium to whereshe was able to witness that so much
fraud and like so much stuff going on.
And, You know, and then she's kind of,if you follow her story, she's been kind
of like going, you know, she, she keepsdeveloping this and, and all of that.
(07:00):
So, I came across that.
And then, I've just noticedother, you know, other people out
in the spiritual, uh, space arestarting to address this topic.
So, as you all know, I, am a mentor atspirit school that is run by Danielle
Searancke known as the Squamish mediumand her and I chatted last weekend, and
she has been trying to figure out a wayto create something to help us combat
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that, you know, because my questionsare, how do we address this issue?
You know, how do we, is it througheducation to, the public as like,
these are red flags to look for?
Is it, you know, how can we do this?
That's right.
Do you call out these people that weknow are creating fraud because it
takes one fraudster to ruin it formost of us, you know, because this is
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already a very touchy world that wework in, and people are looking for a
reason to prove that, you know, thatwe're, you know, that we're all frauds.
As you know, we don't believe that.
So, so, so this is really cool.
So what Danielle has decidedshe's created a course, that she's
opened up for, people developing.
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And, it is called the declaration and.
What this is, is a four class program thatis going to go over topics like, keeping
integrity with what it is you're doing,client care and relationship management
with those clients, transparencyand professionalism when it comes to
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readings, and then cultural sensitivity.
And inclusivity, when it comes to working.
So, and then, once you complete thiscourse, there will be a, spirit school
ethics considerations badge, which willhave a number that will be associated
just with you, and it will havesomething that you can then post on
your social media, you can post on yourwebsites, This way, there's something
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out there that says I took the time.
I dedicated some energy to try to makesure that I learned as much as I could
so that I could perform in the highestmanner possible so that I can I can
show that I take this very seriously.
I realize this is a sacred calling, andI want to do this the best way possible.
So I think this is awesome.
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The live classes are goingto be August 2nd, August 9th,
August 16th, and August 23rd.
for four classes, it will be 300, U.
S.
dollars.
So, and then people that are partof her Spirit School Collective,
there is a 25 percent discount.
I think she's got a, another possiblediscount for, Canadian subscribers
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or people that are in, uh, Canada.
Canada.
So, she does great with likemaking things very accessible for
everyone and everyone's needs.
So, I will put the link in our show notes.
I highly recommend for all of youlight workers out there, that are not
connected in that community and maybehaven't seen this, get advertised yet
to take a look at it, you know, just.
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it can't hurt.
I think the more of us out therethat do it, I think the better.
and I think more of these ideas and thesekinds of things coming out is going to be
one of the best ways for us to combat someof the, stuff that's going on out there.
And for those that are out there,like the, the, the reader that I
referenced in our last episode.
It was very clear that this womanis, she's a gifted intuitive.
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She just, you know, I don't think thatmaybe she has gotten the right training
on how to navigate all situations.
So that, you know, the, especially thatlike client relationship management,
how do you speak to them appropriately?
How do you, how do you holdthat space appropriately?
So, this is for everyone.
And I think this, I thinkthis is going to be great.
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So
yeah, I think it's a really good starton creating something that's kind
of solid that you can go to, becauseobviously this is not a regulated
industry in any manner, shape or form.
And so when you can have somebody whoNo, for us, you know, like we do trust
her and like what she has to offer.
And I feel like she's very genuine SoI think it's a good opportunity for
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people who, if they're also even likelooking for community or they don't
know where to start with all of that,it's like swirling around their head
and it's like, how do I communicate thatto, my clients and things like that?
That could be a really good.
You know, way to get into it.
So you can create that declaration,understand your boundaries, understand,
you know, your ethics and what you standfor and put them in a way that, you
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know, people can see and understand,what you stand for and all that stuff.
So.
That's a good, I think, opportunity.
And I would also say, for those whomight not be drawn to taking it, even
just thinking for yourself, like,what do you stand for and how can you
communicate that to your audience?
So maybe putting somethingon your website, you know,
that explains how you work.
Also, I think it's really importantto be clear, when you're doing the
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process to get somebody registered in,making sure you're very clear about,
you know, What you do and don't do.
I know for me, that's what Ihave, on there just so people
understand the boundaries of,how I work and things like that.
So I think there'sdifferent ways to do it.
I think it's a really wonderful wayfor people to connect, and find their
voice in that way, because I think it isgetting frustrating for a lot of people
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that are in this field and it kind of.
it's a weird one and it's like reallycoming strongly that especially last like
year, but it's just building to this pointnow people like have to say something.
Yep, yep.
Yeah.
And she also shared a real,not too long ago where it was.
a few bullet points of some redflags to pay attention to out there.
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So, I'm going to repeat a couple ofthem just for those of you out there
that maybe, aren't in the spiritualspace, but are curious and do like
to get a reading every now and then.
Um, if someone messages you and asks, ittells you they want to give you a reading,
that's, that's an absolute red flag.
Especially if they, especially ifthe message starts with beloved.
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There's a lot of fake, uh, there's alot of fake, uh, accounts out there
that mimic like our counts and,um, thankfully knock on wood yet.
I haven't had mine compromised yet,but it's kind of a matter of time.
And the messages alwaysstart with like, beloved.
I was drawn to your energy.
And I just, I have a messagefrom your loved ones.
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Like I would never call you beloved ever.
I've never said that word.
So funny.
It's so funny.
It's And then, the other one waslike, if people give you definite
timelines or definite likeoutcomes, that's a big red flag too.
It doesn't necessarily meanthat that person's a fraud.
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It just means that you need to bereally careful in what you're receiving.
Like, No one, it doesn't matter howpsychic or how powerful or how much,
how long they've been doing this.
No one can for sure, in my opinion,give any kind of certainty as to when
events in the future are going to happen.
There's no way to 100 percentknow that because as I've said
before, the future is fluid.
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and then I'm trying to thinkof what the other ones were.
It's, it's just kind of,it's, it's that kind of stuff.
Do you have any that you canthink of off the top of your head?
I would say in general, like For whenyou get a scam account following you
because there's a lot of I get a lot ofpeople trying to follow me and I have to
block them, I would just say instantlyblock them, even if it's somebody you
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know whose account is being mimicked,chances are they know, and they're
probably receiving like, Right, right.
Possibly hundreds of messages a day.
And I'll guarantee you right nowthat they're trying to get it down.
It's just that meta, all thisstuff doesn't really care.
so just block them, get them out ofyour energy, out of your area there.
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Um, also to look things that are kind ofred flags and seeing like random imagery.
That doesn't really look cohesive.
It kind of looks all sporadic.
You can see usually it'll beposted on one, one day or two days.
It'll be like June 14th, 14th,14th, like a hundred posts.
That's a red flag.
Also too, one thing I noticed is thatLike, they'll obviously take people's real
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pictures and put them on their profile,but there's always like a dead energy
to the photo, which is so interestingbecause obviously it's like a real genuine
person that's like doing work, but theystole it, but there's something about
it that when they put the photo on,the energy is not right and instantly
I'll know just by even looking at it.
I'm like, Oh, it feels likeSomeone wearing a mask.
Like, that's the feeling of it.
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Sneaking up behind you.
That's a
great, that's a great way to put it.
That's a great way to put it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So just being mindful ofthose little like cues.
And then I heard something alittle bit unsettling recently.
I don't even remember who it was thatI followed, but A media was saying
that she had people who were gettingreadings from her, but it wasn't her.
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It was somebody using avideo AI filter as her.
Wow.
Yeah.
So look out for that too.
Now you guys
gotta be careful out there.
There is something.
Yeah, I know like With the internetand with social media and, you know,
you can get readings from thesegreat, mediums and psychics from
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all over the world, you know, justfrom the comfort of your own home.
But, there is something also powerfulabout getting an in person reading.
You can, you can definitelyavoid a lot of that now.
You still need to be aware ofthe person you're going to in
person and, and all of that.
But there's a lot out there.
There is a lot out there.
Yes.
Which kind of segues us towhat we're talking about today.
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So we wanna just touch a little bit moreon this topic and kind of share a few
things and then kind of move on from it.
But I don't think we've ever reallyshared some of our worst readings
and some of our best readings.
And I think there's some veryteachable moments in each of them
because in the bad ones, I had a lotof red flags, or I got to see certain
ethics that I felt were being broken.
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or just kind of sketchy.
Ways of reading.
And then for the ones that wereamazing, I got to see the beauty
of how a reading can be so powerfulif you have strong ethics and you
have developed good language skillsaround how you deliver your reading.
So you said in person, and thatreminded me of a recent reading
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I had quite a few months ago.
I can't even really call it a reading.
And I'm going to share this.
I hope in a way that doesn't come offjudgmental, but at the same time it was
really not good, the reading at all.
So I want to try to do it, like Isaid, from a teachable perspective.
I also know that this person I don'teven think would ever be on technology
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and doesn't really listen to podcasts.
So I think I'm safe with thesharing some of this stuff with
that, but I'll still try to bemore anonymous with how I say it.
And then I also want to share, youknow, a really good reading I had
many years ago that to this day.
I just still look back on and I'mjust completely blown away with it.
And then I'd like to hear yours too,Payton, because I'm sure you have.
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Oh, I have a
couple.
Okay, so my mom met somebody atlike a local fair kind of thing.
and she really just likeimmediately connected to her
personality and things like that.
and they just kind of got along.
And so this woman said she did like energyhealing and readings and things like that.
And so my mom initially wanted to do abigger group reading because this person
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offers like in home readings of like,small to large groups kind of thing.
And so she wanted to like invite hercousins and different things like that.
And I was like, okay, well maybe weshould just kind of like first see how
she is before we like, you know, inviteother people into the whole equation.
And so she ended up doing it for myself.
That was my mom and thenit was, her boyfriend.
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And so there were a few differentthings that kind of were a
little bit red flagging to me.
So she came over, which is all good, but.
I ended up coming over a little bit laterbecause I was like, Oh, he's, she's going
to do the reading for, my boyfriend first.
And so I stayed in contact with her,but I ended up coming over probably like
three hours after the whole thing startedbecause this person gave him like a
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three hour reading, which to me, I feellike, yeah, to me, I feel like that's.
It's something you have to becareful of with your energy.
It's really important to haveboundaries and placement of if you
have a larger group, you know, delegatecertain amounts of time to them.
and so I did walk in, actually, I probablywalked in at like the two and a half hour
mark, I would say, because I was thereand I was able to hear and listen to
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the way that she was giving the reading.
And so the things that kind ofbothered me with it were that she
was not really giving evidence.
She was more so.
Allowing him to talk.
So my mom's with her to talk and thenshe would take things off of that
and then kind of go along with that.
And so I'm sitting there going,Ooh, I don't know about this
kind of thing just to begin with.
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And then part of me was like,well, maybe she's at the end of,
she's been doing this for a while.
She's been at it for alittle over two hours.
I did find out later on that for mymom, that it was basically the same
as when I was there kind of thing.
So.
That to me was frustrating.
and then after that, she ended updoing a reading for me, but she was
basically just looking at my looksand what she perceived me to be.
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When I'm with my mom, my mom'sa little bit younger looking.
Sometimes I can look younger.
So she just assumed that I was very, veryyoung, like probably 20, which thank you.
That's nice of you to say,
right.
I'll take it.
I also had braces on at the time.
So that probably like added to myyouthful appearance, but she ended
up just kind of saying like, Oh,you don't have any life experience.
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You just need morethings to happen to you.
You're just too dependent on your mom andblah, blah, blah, and all these things.
I'm not at all, like, I'mvery, independent with that.
always have been.
I'm the oldest of four kids, single mom.
I took on a lot of responsibility andI felt a lot of crazy things happen
in my life that I'm like, Oh my God.
I was like, during the, what she'ssaying, I'm thinking, Oh my God, please.
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No, I would not want to have any more.
Like I need a break from life experience.
But so that was a reallyfrustrating part of it too.
And then it was funny because then shewould try to like, Get me to say things
and then eventually I was like, whatever.
It's like, well, actually I have threechildren and Their ages came to light.
I have like a 13 year old and she wasjust completely shocked I could see
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just face of shock and then she triedto kind of backpedal a little bit But
before that she found out that I thinkmy mom mentioned that I do mediumship
Work and she's like, oh, you know, youneed, you need more life experience.
Like you won't be able to help peoplebecause you need more life experience.
You put that on the back burner.
You go, I'm like, oh my God.
Okay.
And then she's saying all thesethings based on what she's perceiving
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my appearance to be obviously.
And so that was kind of justInteresting to kind of watch how
that kind of played out and justthe language she used around that.
and then when she found out.
I had kids and she kind of switched it tothat, but then she found out I was deaf.
Because my mom's a talker.
And that's the thing too.
Like when you have people, you haveto also kind of educate them and say,
okay, so I, as I do this, I need youto just say yes or no and not elaborate
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unless I ask you to after, right.
Cause then that feeds the medium.
And so with that, my mom told hersomething that I was planning on
doing, which I'm still planningon potentially doing the fall.
And she's like, oh no, you shouldn'tdo that because your children.
And then she just started offeringlike advice that didn't align at all.
so, that was.
An interesting experience.
And then she did my mom and it wasjust, mom's like, Oh, I would like to
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see if anybody wants to come forward.
I have a lot of people in spirit.
And she's like, Oh, well, whodo you want to come forward?
And then she kind of just started fishing.
And then my mom's ends up telling herwho she wants to communicate with.
And then it was just very like,well, what do you want to know?
And it was like, she just kind ofwas feeding it kind of thing and
wanted to know what my mom wanted tohear and hear her say, and so that
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was, that was a really disappointingreading and I'm really glad that
it was just us, that experienced itbecause I just, I guess I have a lot,
I guess I didn't have high standardsat this point, for certain things.
I understand that not everybody readsthe same way and things like that,
but I also think it's important.
I found she was an energy healer more so.
She did a little bit of energyhealing and I was like, Oh
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yeah, I can feel her energy.
But I'm like, if you don't do somethingelse and you know, you're not really
into it or you're not good at itor you don't, that's not your lane.
It's okay to say, oh, I actually don'tdo that, but this is what I do offer.
Correct.
Right.
And give that in the most beautifulway that you can give because that's
something you really shine at.
So, I would say, the worst.
I'm trying to think if there wasanything else that happened within that.
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It was just silly.
I don't know.
It was just like, oh, andthen I was trying to be like,
okay, be open to her, right?
Like Right.
Don't be an asshole, right?
But what I was just watching her liketalking to you my mom's boyfriend and
things like I'm like, oh that is notYou know ethical to say that or it was
just not a good reading so kind of justlearning from that and then it also
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was like Annoying to hear somebody say,oh you shouldn't be doing that work.
You don't know Yeah.
And then another thing she said, Oh,well, you, you, well, I guess I could see
you connecting to really young people.
Do you work with teenagers?
And I'm like, no, I actually work withwomen who are generally women who are
in their thirties, forties, fifties.
Like that's the thing I gravitate towards.
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So yeah, I was just a very, um, Youknow, cold and hot tactics kind of use.
I was trying not to say anything,but at a certain point, I could not
say anything because that's all shehad to offer for what was happening.
Right.
So I just had to kindof take it as it was.
But then it also didvalidate me afterwards.
I was like, you know what, I sometimescan be really hard on myself as to Always
trying to make sure that, I give the bestreading I can, and I always want to come
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in with that intention, but at the sametime, it's like sometimes I don't realize
how much I have to offer people, right?
So that kind of was like, Oh, like,she's going out and doing this and
charging 300, 400 a night for this.
Yeah, right.
You know, that kind of feeling.
So yeah, that was An interesting one.
And now I, at like, when we goto like the markets and stuff,
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I try to stay on the side.
I don't know if shewould recognize me again.
I'm like, to converse with her really.
So
it's hard with those.
It's hard with the psychicfairs in the markets.
Like, there are some amazing practitionersthat go there and I'm actually.
I've been approached to do one of theones here locally, in the fall, and I'm
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considering it because I think it willbe a great way to kind of showcase how
I, present in this world and, you know,what I do offer but from my experience
thus far, whenever I went to those, youknow, it always just, there's a lot of
hokey pokey there and, it's I, I've alsoreceived some like not great guidance
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and just sent kind of like, and I don'teven those kind of scenarios I my biggest
hesitation into even doing the psychicfair is like, how do I sit and really
connect with someone and really like,keep my integrity and what I'm doing
when there's a hundred plus people.
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You know, around me and there'sjust all this commotion going on.
And, so I, I'm still kindof thinking about it.
I think there's a way that Ican navigate that appropriately.
And, you know, but, When you weretalking, it reminded me, I was a kid
and I was at, I was old enough to, Iwas at that age, you know, puberty age,
and I was, I was starting to understandthat maybe I wasn't quite like all the
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other, all the other boys in class.
Like, that's when I realized I was gayand I went to a, It was a county fair.
Now, that right there, if youhave a psychic intuitive reader
at a county fair, that's your signthat it's probably a red flag.
So, and that's a broad stroke.
So I'm sorry if I offend anyone that,you know, that is their outlet and
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they are doing this with integrity.
So, I mean, I'm sure there arepeople out there, but I remember this
woman, I was there with a girl thatwas a friend of mine, and she was
kind of off behind me a little bit.
And so I went up to this woman and she waslike, right away, she's like, Oh, you're
going to fall in love with the, this girl.
She's blonde.
She loves you so much.
And I was like, I want my money back.
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No, thank you.
Right there.
You're full of shit.
God.
So yeah, I don't know.
You just got to be careful.
I mean, sometimes that is the bestplace to be able to introduce people
to what you do, but you know, there'salso, there's also a lot, a lot there.
Yeah.
And I think there's always a way tofind a way to make it professional
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and bring it in an authentic way.
Right.
But yeah, it's just, again, navigatingsome of the common things that
can happen in those situations.
I also too, but at the same market, thereis this more like witchy kind of shop.
And it was funny because I want toget a reading from this person because
I'm curious to see how she works.
I like to see how peoplejust work in general.
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Right.
So I asked her how much it was.
She told me a price.
And then a few minutes later, I waslike, Ooh, ask her what it is again.
I asked her what it is again.
And she left it by 15.
And she was like, Oh, 45.
I'm like, okay, but Istill did it anyways.
I'm like, I still wantto see what you have.
That's like a little, youknow, A little tricky, but
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It's hard.
I'm trying to think of likemy worst reading I had.
I actually, it was rightwhen I started this.
Well, besides the one at the countyfair, it was, uh, at the beginning,
kind of my development journey,I was connected with a woman in a
different city south of where I'm at.
that was apparently really good.
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And, she.
only does phone reading.
So, which is great.
That was fine.
So I did the telephone reading and itworks just the same for anyone out there
wondering phone readings, it all works.
so she gave me this reading and shejust like very specifically hit all
these things that were very true.
And but she started the conversation outwith, you know, I'm kind of old school.
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I've been doing this a long time.
You know, you can't find me onsocial media, blah, blah, blah.
and I was like, yeah, no problem.
No worries.
and she even maybe made a commentthat she didn't want the access to
social media because there's the ideaout there that with is accessible as
everyone's information is out there.
What's to keep us from doingour research beforehand.
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Well, go to a good medium andyou'll see that they'll bring you
information that has nothing to dowith what's on your social media.
however, after my reading and I was alittle bit blown away, but then once she
got past like some specific details andshe kind of gave me more of the like.
The, the read, that informationdidn't hit home at all.
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It was so, it was so out there.
And so I then just kind of lookedand I was like, well, son of a bitch.
I was like, everything shesaid is literally the first few
scrolls through my Facebook page.
Like, She clearly went on my, and then,and the, and the way that I know that's
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true is because when someone goes to yoursocial media that you're not connected
with and they search for you, and I, Imean, they look at you, they will pop up
as someone that might, you might know.
And I don't think she knew that.
So here's a picture of this woman with thesame exact name who, you know, I have, do
I have no connections with that is came upas a suggested, person that I might know.
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So I was like, okay, that.
That's, that's ballsy.
That is just ballsy.
That's terrible.
Yeah.
But those being said, we havealso, I have had 10 times more
amazing, beautiful connectionsand readings than I have bad ones.
So thankfully as we, you know, we keepbeing like warning, warning, warning,
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but there are a lot more people out therethat, really do handle this beautifully
and really do, offer a lot of, of value.
Beautiful messaging and beautifulhealing and do it in a really good way.
So, I don't, I don't want to just alwayskeep harping on the bad ones, but it,
it takes one bad one to, like I said,make the rest of us look, look terrible.
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Yeah.
I feel like we need to talk aboutit so that it can like be purged out
and then like, you know, keep goingon your merry way kind of thing.
Seeing the light that thereis in this world and the good
people that do this as well.
so one that like going to the positivenow, one of the readings that I think
back at I'm just like blown away bywas by this girl who was, she had been
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kind of doing it more like, You know,secretly for a while kind of thing,
but we met in a development class andwe had a practice sitting together
and I had typically I've been doinga lot of practices at that point.
And typically I would be the one who wouldbring forth more information for people.
I never really quite had.
I really like whole reading kind of thing.
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It was just like littlepieces here and there.
I was like, oh yeah, I can see thepatterns of like certain people
who would come in like my grandma.
She come in very specifically withlike three or four different things.
And my grandpa on my dad's side,which I find so funny, like I've
mentioned before, he's like someoneI would not necessarily want to
connect with in this lifetime anymore.
But they'd always bring through the samesymbols for him and things like that.
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So that was interesting.
But she brought through somebodywho I've only ever really had come
through a few times in reading.
So my husband's dad, he passed away.
And so the way that she did it,it was very much like you said,
like, you would never know it.
This is not social mediasharing information whatsoever.
This is like very personal, deep cuts,very dramatic situation that happened.
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And she just like channeled his essence.
Like, I can't even quiteexplain the feeling of it.
So I could just feel him, the way thatshe articulated it was exactly how he
would have spoken and his mannerisms.
It was really interesting because she had.
Just the life that she had led before,was very much for her to understand
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what he would be going through, whathe'd want to say to us, kind of.
She had some similar experiences inher life, too, with that, and she just
explained the situation to the exacttee, like, it was crazy, and I was crying
because it was just such an emotionalthing where, like, I wondered, am I in
the wrong for this, like, What happenedwith certain things and she was able to
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really pinpoint certain things and thensay like, this is how it feels about it.
This is what he's saying to you now.
And so it was like lots of validation,lots of evidence, timelines, relationships
to certain people that you wouldn'tbe able to, you know, pull apart from
social media, for example, right?
So that was phenomenal and so healing.
Like to me, that was somethingthat I just really, really needed.
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And like my husband's dad is thetype of guy who just doesn't really.
Speak up like he wouldn't hejust has a very interesting like
personality type kind of thing.
So it was I just found it so interestingthat he chose her to communicate this
stuff with and that was probably like thatwas like the beginning of my development.
Five or six years ago kind of thing.
So that's always stuck with me.
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It's a very meaningful, even tothis day, I think I still have it.
I should go listen to it again.
It's kind of see like whatit brings up and stuff, but
yeah, that was an amazing one.
It was interesting because she had tonavigate some very distressful situations,
but she was able to word it reallykindly and yes, which was really, I
appreciated her doing it in that way.
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So yes,
and that offered you so muchhealing and it was so beautiful
for you because it was, it wasso close to what it is you knew.
And it was handled in sucha delicate, gentle way.
And that's, I mean, that right thereis the exact thing we're talking about.
It's like how to appropriately have theseconversations with people when you're
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delivering these kinds of messages andyou're connecting in this way and you're,
you're able to access this information.
knowing how to navigate thatappropriately is so important.
Yeah, no, it was reallyamazing how she did it.
And it was funny too, because it was like,Like paperwork, like things that like
are so nitty gritty, like very complex.
And she was able to likepinpoint the things that
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happened with that and all that.
So that was really cool andreally cool too, because I
could feel him around, right?
Like that's, that's the layer of extra.
Sometimes when you listen backto the readings, you're like, Oh,
I don't feel it as much as I didbefore, but that's because they're
not sitting such close proximity.
So you kind of kind of like when you.
Are at a concert and you feel the energythere, but then you watch it on video
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again, you're like, oh, this feelsdifferent, but it's still impactful,
but
just a little different, right?
So
great analogy for sure.
Yeah.
I had a similar one and Ihope she's listening Barb.
Hi Barb.
Barb gave, me a reading, we weredoing practice readings, uh, with
each other, if I remember correctly.
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And she brought through a friend of mine.
And this friend comes through quite often.
She's a very lively spirit.
it's always amazing when she comesthrough and it's, it's, it's beautiful.
the things that she always givesthe people, to bring through,
but, there was something that.
I really struggled with, abouta conversation that we had
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had and before she passed.
And, it's just something thathas just always, after she
passed, always sat with me funny.
And the way that Barb connected with herenergy, I could tell like the details
she brought through so many detailsabout what was going on around the time.
I mean, specific stuff that like,again, you know, and, um, also
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this is not a relative of mine.
So, you know, that's not, how would sheknow to go and find this person, you know?
And she talked about that exact thing andlike told me to quit worrying about it.
And I had never shared that withanyone like that is no one knew that
I'd never shared that with anyone.
And the way she, I mean, that was oneof the most powerful ones I received.
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that just, it just kindof, it really blew me away.
And I've had a ton ofreally great readings.
Like I've, I've been very lucky to connectwith a lot of really amazing mediums.
throughout this journey that haveoffered a lot of great connections to it.
I have a lot of people in spirit.
I'm kind of, I'm kind of easy to readfor because you can't, Even throw
a rock without hitting someone thatis passed that I'm connected to.
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There's just happens to be a lot,but, I'm just very lucky that
I've been able to experience that.
So, that's why we do this work because itcan offer such a beautiful drop of healing
and to someone's grief into someone'sworry into, you know, most people are
just worried, regardless of how religiousor faithful or spiritual they are.
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You just worry that that personyou loved isn't around anymore.
And if we're able to make it veryclear that, you know, Hey, I'm just
interpreting what's coming through.
you know, like I've said before, it'slike my, uh, my friend, Carolynne always,
termed it, it's charades with ghosts.
You know, I'm trying to interpretwhat they're showing me.
And like you said, with your medium,If the spirit knows that if we have
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a certain experience that is closeto what they had, they're going to
be able to get that story across.
So sometimes people go in there, they'rewaiting to hear the specific detail.
They're waiting to hear the specific thingthat medium might not have a reference
for what that detail is, and they're notgoing to be able to bring it through.
So, it's just such a beautifulhealing thing for those
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people that are sitting there.
And I also wanted to share, as I'veshared on here, I've been, I've been
on a roller coaster this year with,with feeling connected, feeling, you
know, ups and downs and all of that.
And I, I wasn't doing a lot ofreadings there for a while and I wasn't
doing my normal spiritual practices.
and.
I just kept feeling kind offurther and further away from
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spirit and from that connection.
And something that I just realizedreally recently that I wanted to share
in here, because this is how much, notonly does this bring healing to other
people, which has always been my focus.
I didn't realize how much healingthat was going to bring for
me in so many different ways.
so recently I've been kindof getting back into it.
I've been doing a lot of readings.
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they've been going very well, whichI've been a little surprised because I'm
like, I'm a little rusty, but here we go.
but it's crazy.
And after doing these readings,it's like it filled up my cup again.
It's like my, my, mywell got filled up again.
And, I didn't realize how much I missedit and how much that doing that practice
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and connecting with spirit and beingable to offer that to someone else, how
beautiful that is and how much I likeI really need that now, you know, and I
think we've talked about it before I'mlike, I don't want to, it's like, once you
know what that connection is like and theamount of love and joy and, and gratitude
that comes along with that, it's hardto not have that around after a while.
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You tend to miss it.
And, it's like once your, yoursoul lights back up again, you're,
you doesn't want to turn off.
It wants to, you know, it wants tostay lit, but you've got to be able
to do it in a balanced and healthyway because you still are a human.
And, looking back, Irealized I got burnout.
and that's where some of this was.
For a lot of reasons, but that's, I thinkwhere some of my little journey just
recently was about, but it was beautiful.
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And then also what was interesting was,as I've talked about, as I shared on the
last episode about how, like, it's reallyimportant for us to human, something
else that came to me that I wanted toshare with all of you out there on your
journey as well, is that thinning ofthat connection, that, uh, distance that
was built, that, uh, That time I hadthat was a little darker and, I really
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had to just deal with some human stuff.
I expected to come back a weaker medium,but I actually came back a stronger one.
And so it was like those months ofgoing through that was almost worth
more than, you know, a six week.
course of mentorship with, you know,the world's greatest medium or whatever
that is, or a development course.
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Those are very important.
I'm not, I'm not saying those likethat is key to development, but I
didn't realize I was going to get justas much, if not more, Experience and
understanding and connection by justhaving this really hard human experience.
So, yeah, it's been, it's, it's been alittle bit mind blowing and eye opening.
And, then it allows me to moveinto a space more of gratitude
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for what I just walked through.
Which I mean, that's, that'skind of best case scenario.
So, I hope that makes sense to some ofyou out there because, I know I'm not the
only person that has, has communicatedabout, some of the struggles and whatnot.
And, it's been beautiful tokind of see how, how I've, have
been able to benefit from that.
Yeah.
No, I'm glad you shared that.
And I think sometimes when you'vehad that period of kind of turbulence
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and stuff like that, it can behard to jump back into the water.
I would say readings and things likethat and it kind of feels scary.
You're like, oh, I'm at the edge,like jumping into like, right.
Or from a cliff or whatever.
So you just have to kind of take that,jump back into it, but it just shows you
how, you know, spirit will support you.
Like, I have your back.
You've got this.
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You're always there.
You know, and that's justtiming of life, right?
Like sometimes we just need that.
And I know I've had thatexperience in the past too.
I haven't quite jumped back intothings yet, but I've had that in the
past where I'm like, Oh my gosh, it'sbeen six months and I'm so nervous.
And then you go and you do it.
It's like, wow, that, thatconnection is really strong.
So anyone else out there is goingto like discourage and like, I'm not
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sure if they should go back into it.
Just take that, that jump and see, andsee what happens and where it leads
right.
Yeah.
And trust, like you said, thebest teacher, the best mentor, the
best guide is going to be spirit.
Once you commit to this road, youknow, it's really in their hands.
They are going to lead itand bring experiences to
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you, and bring opportunities.
And then they're going to bringmoments where they're like,
okay, you need to deal with this.
part of your world that youhaven't dealt with or that maybe
you thought you dealt with.
You need to heal this shit.
You need to, you know, you needto get this stuff taken care of.
We're going to be here.
You might not notice this as much becauseyou're going to be really dense in your
energy and not as expanded, but youneed to be right now so that you can
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expand even greater on the other side.
So, I hope that helps.
I don't know if I would have heard thatif that would have necessarily helped
guide me through all the darkness.
But, it's kind of one of those thingsI think you do have to just, you can
have to walk through and experience.
but I hope that at least if youare hearing this and then that
day does come that it's somewherein the back of your head.
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Back there that there, there is reason,there is purpose, you know, I don't
like the bypassing this feeling of like,there's a meaning to everything, you
know, that phrase, but I, I do believe,I do believe in when you have faith in
it, that, you know, there is reason.
I actually saw, I don'tknow how she saved it.
If I saved it, I'll share it atsome point, but it was a video
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of, I think it was a Lotus.
flower and it was one of those videoswhere they watch the flower and you
see how it grows and expands andit was contracting and expanding.
And the whole thing was like,sometimes you have to contract
and kind of go backwards in orderto expand and go forwards again.
So that was very like, just all you'resaying totally reminds me of that.
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I think that's true in life.
Like I've had many moments whereI feel like, Oh my gosh, I'm going
backwards, like, you know, contracting,but then it actually, you know, I end
up expanding more and reaching intothings I didn't expect to happen, but
it kind of things kind of need to unfoldin a way that I didn't expect it to.
So, yeah.
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I love your analogies today.
They're just right on.
They're, they're good.
You're, you're tuned in.
Well, I'll start writing a book now.
Yeah, write, write them down, makea list, you know, we, we need them.
They're good.
All right.
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