July 4, 2024 • 50 mins
Payton and Shayla return after a short break. Both have had quite a few different experiences lately that have caused them to slow down and reevaluate many things in life. Whether it's been through travel, loss of loved ones or not feeling aligned with what has been witnessed in the spiritual community. They have taken these opportunities to reconnect with their true intentions and realign with what they want to offer to their listeners of Souly. Payton also shares a magical past life synchronicity with a dear friend that brought him a lot of magic during a time he wasn't feeling very "connected."
Book referenced in this episode:
Is Heaven For Real by Todd Burpo & Lynn Vincent (This is the one Payton was mentioning but had the wrong title.)
The Afterlife of Billy Fingers by Annie Kagan (This is the one Payton spoke of which is still a great book on the afterlife.)
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Welcome.
You're listening to Souly apodcast, driven by curiosity in
spirituality with intuitive mediums.
Shayla and Payton.
Join us as we ask questions, createconversation, and share in an open
and heart-centered way our personalexperiences and mystical ponderings.
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this is the perfect space for you.
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Souly.
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Okay, hello, everybody.
It has been a while sincewe did a podcast episode.
Payton and myself have been lifing.
We've been having veryhuman moments in our lives.
So we kind of had to take a littlebreak for a bit just because there was
a lot going on in each of our livesand a lot of emotional stuff, a lot
of life changes and things like that.
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So we're excited to be back today.
So we're just going to do A littlecatch up and kind of talk about some
of the things we've been experiencing.
And I hope it resonates with some peopleand, you know, starts some conversations.
Some thoughts about different things.
So, yeah.
So I guess I'm going to start withasking Payton, like what's been
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going on for you in your life?
You've had lots of different things.
You've been traveling a lot.
Yes.
There's, there's been a lot.
I'm very grateful and happy.
I've been able to take acouple pretty amazing trips.
This year I went back to one of myfavorite places, which is Greece, and
I got to spend a really long time thereand I went with a childhood friend and we
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just had, we just had an absolute blast.
And then I just got back from, I wasup, kind of in your neck of the woods.
I was in your country.
I just wasn't that close to where you are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One more province over.
I went to, the spirit school retreat, uh,again, if, if our listeners remember, I
went there last year and it was amazing.
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It was beautiful.
It's just, Like such an amazing groupof people, like, it's so important,
to have community and to just, itwas so nice to just be in a space of
your people, you know, people thatunderstand how you see the world
and how you experience the world.
And, this retreat, uh, everyone thereis developing mainly mediumship.
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but there's other people thatdo focus in other modalities.
but.
The retreat wasn't about development.
It was about self care and takingcare of ourselves and reconnecting
with our, uh, there was a lot of focuson, we focused on all the chakras.
so every day we worked on acouple of different chakras
and did different activities.
And, it was just a lot of healing.
It was a lot of love.
It was just, it was great.
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So, I was up in.
British Columbia as well.
So that was, so that was beautiful, butyeah, like you mentioned, you know, as,
as I know you have, I've also just beenkind of having to human, one of the
biggest lessons that I learned whileI was on my trip in Greece, actually.
and I did share this.
I did an episode on spirit schoolspodcast, and I talked about this.
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So for our listeners that listento both, you'll, you'll be
hearing a little bit of it again.
I was expecting I had been, I've beendoing so much humaning so far this year
that I don't always feel that spiritual.
I, it, it feels like it takes alot more work for me to connect,
spiritually, you know, I just thinkthose are, I think it ebbs and flows.
So for those of you that are newlydeveloping, please be prepared for the
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ebbs and flows because some days it'sgoing to feel like the most magical thing.
And then some days you can't even,you can't even, you don't even
have it in you to try and connect.
so I.
I had just kind of assumed that when Iwent back to Greece, that it was just
going to be like lights on, you know,just this crazy spiritual experience.
And in ways it was, but itkind of wasn't and it was okay.
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And the lesson I got, it was spiritdid come to me afterwards and.
It was just reminded to me that,you know, seeing angel numbers,
talking to loved ones on the otherside, being able to foresee things
that are possible in the future.
Those feel super magical.
And those are very spiritual, but we'rehere as humans having a human experience,
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regardless of what we're able to tap into.
And Honestly, nothing is more spiritually,powerful and better for your spiritual
development than just being human andjust having those human moments and, just
living your life and having experiences.
So, that was, that was a prettypowerful message that I, I think
it was a good time for me to hear.
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And, and I know, uh, other people Ishared that with kind of have had to learn
similar things too, that there, thereis a lot of magic and beauty of just.
just living your life and just havingthose beautiful experiences with your
friends, loved ones or, or whatever.
So, so that was really beautiful.
so as time is going on, I'm startingto kind of feel the lights now are
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finally starting to turn back on.
And, you know, I think it wasgood to kind of step away.
Cause Shayla and I had talked, we,and I'll let her share this as well,
but, we both were in kind of thatvibe and didn't, we don't want to
just do this podcast just to do it.
We don't want to just recordepisodes, just record it.
We want it to be authentic.
We want it to be purposeful.
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We were interviewed on anotherpodcast, uh, Juan Francisco, Juan
Third Eye, which I believe today hejust changed his Instagram handle.
So it might be, it mightbe under something else.
but, you know, he said to us that.
He found this podcast to be kind oflike a form of mentorship for him.
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And that to me, just, Imean, that meant the world.
That is the reason why we wanted to startthis podcast is for people to feel like it
was a place to expand and grow and learn.
And, And be so, that even mademe think more about, like, I want
to make sure it's purposeful.
You know, I need to make sure we're bothin the right space, the right time and the
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right vibe, to be putting this out there.
Cause that's, what's going to be themost beneficial to our listeners.
so I, I was excited to get back ontoday and, and, and get on here.
So I I'll let you kind of, kindof piggyback off that Shayla.
Cause I, I know you've beenin a similar space as well.
I always find it funny how a lot ofthe times we have a lot of similar kind
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of reflective things happening in ourlife, our energies and stuff like that.
So that was really interesting when wehad that conversation to kind of see
how we were both feeling about that.
I think there's been so manychanges that have happened.
In the last, I don't know, last few yearsfor me, but especially in the last few
months and I've had a few people thatI've lost who have died and so that's
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really been pushing me into the realityof being human and like life and what it
means and the fact that we really don'thave a lot of time on this earth, even if
we have 100 years, it's still not a lot.
And so like losing my grandfather kindof brought me into this place and just
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realizing the importance of familyand connection and just doing what we
want to do in life and like allowingourselves to go out there and do that.
And so then it made me questionlike, what am I, what am I doing?
It brought me back to that place.
And, and the thing is like being,you know, in these situations where
religion comes up again, more likegoing to funerals, the, you know, the
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different rituals and things like that.
That happened and seeingthose different things.
It was kind of an interesting placefor me because it made me kind
of question my own belief system.
And I kind of realized that there aresome things that I don't necessarily
resonate with in the spiritual community,or I'm feeling uncomfortable with, but
then it was also the same time, like,I really don't feel connected to these
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big religious organizations either.
So then where am I fittingin with certain things?
Um, And just this feeling suddenly thateverything didn't feel quite as real
or as authentic and I think that canhappen a lot of times when you lose
somebody you love because it reallystrips things down and brings them
to rock bottom or bare minimum whereyou're just like looking around you're
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doing oh my gosh like What is life?
Who am I?
Like, where is my place in this world?
All of that stuff.
And then I had a big movethat happened as well.
And I've moved too many timesin my lifetime after counting.
I'm like, what?
I'm not a military person.
I didn't grow up in a military.
So just wanting stability.
And so we ended up moving backwith my mom and my sisters for a
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bit here while we kind of try tofigure out where we want to land.
More long term because I'mjust needing stability.
I need that not just every, youknow, two or three years moving and
that's a lot to do with the climateright now and housing and mortgages
and rentals and things like that.
It's just really, really, it's crazy.
Like my rent went up almost 400and two years and she wanted to
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raise it another hundred next year.
So I'm like, Oh my gosh, likeI can't just be throwing all
this money into someone else.
If that makes sense.
And so just trying to like findall these different balances and.
I think I've had to kind of peelback all these different layers and
find out, like, what do I love to do?
What lights me up?
What do I maybe want tolet go of in some ways?
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I think mediumship is somethingI always will have a passion for
and I really, really love it.
But I'm coming to the realizationthat I don't know if I want
to do it to make money.
and I, I do believe, and that kindof goes into another, like, situation
where it's like we talk about, IPeople making money through this
type of stuff, like spiritual stuff.
I think that I will die on a hill, likesaying that we do need to make money.
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We do need to feed ourfamilies and things like that.
But there's something about mediumshipthat for me personally, I feel like,
you know, it has to be more on a slidingscale or something, maybe even I just
do for free for people, because that'swhat feels good for me right now.
And then there's other things I wantto do, like potentially like mentorship
or things like that and energy work.
that I'd like to do moving forward.
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So I'm just kind of in a place whereI'm like, trying to figure out where I'm
landing and that can feel very human.
So that's where things and justalso like the spiritual community.
I think another thing that'sbeen difficult for me to process
is how monetized it can bein corporate almost feeling.
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And then it kind of takes away from, Idon't know, for me, what feels authentic.
Like I've seen people whowere really grounded at one
point and then who are now.
You know, people are talking aboutthem on Reddit and saying like, you
know, this person scanned me out of 10,000, like, you know, offering 3, 000
readings, one hour readings, and justkind of, I feel like ego coming in.
And then it's just like,it just becomes too much.
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And then to me, I'm like, well, that'sfalse too, because then I see like
religion, there's certain things inreligion that I see as very false
and very egotistical and controlling.
And I see that in the spiritualcommunity, I think it's like
extremism and thing is a problem.
And I think that's justwhat I've been noticing.
So trying to come down from that and like.
Find the balance of in between becausethere is realness in life and there
is people out there who are reallydoing what they love and doing it from
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a place of passion and considerationand kindness and all of that stuff.
And so it's just aboutfinding that, right?
Like finding, like you said, you'refinding your people kind of thing,
your energy field and, and all of that.
So that's my mouthful of like,all the things I kind of been like
processing and going through lately.
No, that's so good.
cause for me, that's kind of some ofwith everything, you know, I've had these
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awesome trips, but I've also had like someother things happening in my world that,
I know we had talked at one point that itfelt like things were being kind of torn
down, so that I could get back to the rootas to why I want to even be in this space,
why I want to have a voice in this space.
You know, what is it?
I might, what is myintention of being here.
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which I think is important and Iagree with everything you said.
I personally, you know, youknow, I have bills to pay.
We all have bills to pay.
It's, it is, it is expensive tolive wherever you are right now.
It feels, so, I do find this path,whether it's mediumship or when you're
channeling into someone's spirit orspirit of those who have gone, that
is a sacred calling in my belief.
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And it is very, but we are still human.
So there's this like, there's thistug and pull that as you, as you
do become more successful and liketrying to keep balance in that.
so I, I just feel that especially nowadayswhere it's like, If you have an online
presence and that's where you're tryingto build your business, you know, you have
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to, you have to make content constantly.
You have to make sure youget all these followers.
And then that kind of becomeswhat it is you're doing
and
it can.
And I think it can kind oftake away from the other side.
I just, I, I think that it's, I thinkit's a very delicate thing to balance.
I'm not saying there aren't people outthere that have, that have done that
in a beautiful and appropriate way.
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but I've also seen the other side as well.
And so I just, I kind of,and it sounds like with you,
it's kind of the same thing.
Like, like you said, you and I tendto be in this like, same like karmic,
learning thing at the same time.
Yeah.
It's a
roller coaster and.
You know, it's again, that's alsojust so funny because, just that we
even crossed paths and, you know,we're doing the show and just,
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yeah,
obviously spirit brought ustogether for that reason.
but, it's just that feeling of.
let's slow everything down.
Let's take a minute.
Let's get back to the root as to whatwe're doing and why we're doing it.
Because I really do thinkthere is a way to do this in an
appropriate, authentic, genuine way.
And I think that's whatpeople really need.
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So one story I would like to shareof something that, uh, I experienced
over the past couple months that,is very much on, on topic with this.
And, This is both for our listenersthat are those who receive readings,
but as much this is to thoselisteners that are out there that,
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facilitate readings for people.
So, I, I know a woman that, Shelived in a different city than I
live in now, that's not too far away.
And she came here, she was referred toan intuitive that is local where I live.
And, she went to this woman and thiswoman told her that, if she could see
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that if she moved, that would then leadto her finding her soulmate and that
they would live happily ever after.
I don't know if she used thosewords, but that is what my client.
That's how my client received it.
So I, you know, I wasn'tthere in the reading.
I'm just, I'm just repeatingwhat was shared to be fair.
So, the woman I know, she,she took a leap of faith.
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She moved, she ended up movingto the city that I'm in.
She very shortly after met aguy, it was her like dream guy.
They were so happy.
Everything was great until he left her.
And.
She was devastated as we all are.
When that happens, that's, you know,it's a hard thing to go through.
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And, you know, she reached out to mebecause she knows the work I do as well.
And she's like, I'm just so confused.
And so this, this iswhat I shared with her.
And this is also just the reminderI'm wanting to make is that that
woman that read for her, she is avery talented, gifted, intuitive.
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And I believe that she did seecertain things there, but it's the
way that she delivered it becauseshe's Having the, the client here
that their soulmate that is destined.
Cause what a soulmate mean, it meansit's destined that the heavens have
aligned it in your tapestry of fatethat this was supposed to happen if she
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moved in it did, but then it fell apart.
The client, what are theyleft thinking afterwards?
They're left thinkingthat what did I do wrong?
How did I fail this?
How did I ruin what waswritten in the stars?
How did I, how, you know, it's, youalready naturally go through that when
you go through a breakup, especiallyif you're the one that's on the crappy
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end of that, that conversation, you're,and then to have this like, You know,
person that's connecting to sourceand spirit, then tell you that, you
know, more or less leave you feelingthat way that you've somehow failed to
me, that is just insanely unethical.
And, you know, I, as I told Shayla,when I was sharing the story with her,
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you know, if I was that woman, I wouldhave said, you know, I can see that.
If you choose to make a move inyour future, that could bring
an opportunity for romance.
That doesn't mean that this is your likeone and only, I can just see that there's
some potential for a romantic connectionor meeting someone or an important
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connection that could come from that.
But that doesn't mean that if youdon't move, you might not also
find that somewhere else as well.
So that's, I just, itfelt important to share.
It felt important as a reminder to just,for those of you out there receiving
readings, again, as we've talked aboutmany times on this show, you know, take
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everything with a grain of salt, you know,they, Just because we can see the future.
The future is not solid.
The future is fluid there.
It is, it is your life.
You have free will, youget to make the choices.
And if you're out there givingreadings, just be very aware of the
language that you use around it.
And.
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remember that the future is fluid.
And just because you're seeingsomething, you're only able to
tap into the energy of the client.
That's happening at that momentin time, all of the power in the
world only exists within the now.
The past is solid concrete.
It's set already.
The future is completely fluid.
All the energy, all of thepower is at this moment.
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Moment right now.
So remember that as you're sharinginformation with people so that you can
deliver it in a way that is beneficialfor them to then make their own decisions.
Yeah, no, definitely.
I think that's a good example of, youknow, what can happen with reading.
Sometimes I've known people,even in my own family, who have
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gone to like a psychic or medium.
And they're told something similar,like you're going to meet your husband
in a bar in this certain setting, andyou're going to meet them in six months.
And then it didn't end upbeing in that timeframe.
And so that just took awayall this hope from them.
And then like you get people to like,this is like the funny thing where it's
like, Oh, you're going to meet somebody.
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And then they maybe stop goingout as much or doing these things.
I could put them in aposition to meet Right.
Cause there's an aspect oflike, you are co creating at
every time your life, right?
So you have to keep the momentum up.
And I think the word soulmate isinteresting too, because I think we can
have, I mean, soulmate means differentthings to different people, but I think
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you can, you know, that soul connectionwith people where you do have this amazing
connection, you're supposed to meet them.
They're supposed to be in your life,but not necessarily in the full
timeline of this human existence.
Right.
Right.
Like we have.
Who come in and they, they are partof our, our soul family or, you
know, our path of what we chose.
And so there's nothingwrong that that person did.
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It just like, there was something thatperson wasn't supposed to be with them.
Exactly.
Right.
Right.
So, yeah.
And I guess empowering, you know,people like the sitter who's getting the
reading to also just, and I think that'sanother thing that's been bothering me.
It's like how much, you know, we aredealing with people in like really,
you know, emotional things, right.
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vulnerable things, right?
So, you know, it is important to think asa reader to make sure that we empower our
sitter to make their own choices and tobe careful about language and all of that.
So that's just a learningprocess for everybody.
I think, you know, if you're in theAnd you want to have a reading or
give readings and things like that.
So yeah, there's a lot of power theway we speak and say things as readers.
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And
that's too, where it's this fineline of when you're doing this as
a career, you have to make money.
And I think it is very important forthe person receiving the reading.
energetically they give something for it.
I just think that exchange of energythat reciprocity of that, I think
that's important for everyone involved.
but there's a lot of people out therelooking for readings that are very
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vulnerable and are wanting you to tellthem what to do that is a hurdle that we
all have to figure out how to navigate, isthat when people come to you and they're,
they're hoping you're going to tell themwhat to do and what decisions to make.
And that A lot of times I very much makethem clear as to how I read and what
I'm going to bring through for them.
And maybe it's, if they're inthat kind of space, maybe you're
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not the right reader for them.
It's okay to tell people like,you know, I just don't, I don't
feel comfortable with this.
This doesn't, thisdoesn't feel right for me.
You know, maybe, thisis how I like to read.
If that's not something you would, youfeel comfortable receiving, then, you
know, you can always stop a reader.
You don't have to just read forsomeone because they're sitting there.
But, I just think that's such adelicate space when, if you are not
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very clear with People, what it isyou're doing, how it is you want
to work, your intention behind it.
And, just making sure you're notjust telling people what they want
to hear or just feeding into that.
I don't know.
It's, it's very delicate and that's,you know, I, I think that since you
and I both very much have always talkedabout how important that is and all of
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that, I think that is why spirit has.
Make sure to keep us.
Keep us re grounding, keep uslike keep human beings, so that
we stay true to who we are.
So that the people that we do interactwith, you know, they received the magic
that we do have and that we can offer.
And you know, that's, that's just howI, that's just kind of how I feel.
Let's see it.
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But yeah, there's a lotof people out there.
There is, and
there's a reader for everybody.
Like you said, there really is.
Yes.
Other people.
So I know you had another story.
I
do.
Yeah.
It's so good.
It's so good.
Okay.
Are you guys ready?
Okay.
We've, we've, we've done thedisciplinary conversations.
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Now it's time for fun.
So this was pretty, spectacular.
okay.
Where do I start?
So I shared, we'vetalked about past lives.
On this podcast so, okay,another piece to this to kind
of put all the pieces together.
so last year I met someone here locally.
we dated for a while, became verygood friends, like, um, hi, Jeffrey.
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I told him I was going to throwout a little hello to him.
and just, he's an amazing human.
And, he's also in this world.
So that was like, what are the oddsthat in Des Moines, Iowa, I find another
gay male that was interested in me thatalso like understood this world, you
know, like, it was just, it was great.
And even though the timingjust, The timing for a couple of
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different reasons just wasn't right.
And, but we, we maintained afriendship and it like, we became
even closer after that period.
I mean, we needed some time to cool off,but It's he's just, he's very dear to me.
So, With him, we've talked aboutpast lives on this podcast before.
So with him, I remember we had aconversation once and it was right
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after we broke up and he said, whatdo you think the point of this was?
If we have this great connection,but we weren't meant to like make
this a thing and work on that.
and I said, because I, I knowin my heart of hearts, he and
I have had past lives together.
I can just, I can feel it.
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So I said to him, I said, I really trulybelieve that you and I have some sort
of soul trust because of our past livestogether, that in this life, we needed
each other to help each other open upour heart spaces, to break down the walls
that for different reasons, he and I, heand I have very different stories, but
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we both had very similar, uh, Uh, wallsaround our heart and, uh, relationships
and with, you know, friends and everythinglike we, you know, we both had some
similar wounding, that I, I, I know wehave healed for each other to some degree.
So I was like, I really feel that, weneeded each other at that time for that.
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So, okay.
So then some time passes.
And, I, like I said, I did that, uh,interview on spirit schools podcast, and
I was talking about my trip to Greece.
And I said that, I, I justlove Greek culture, the
language, the music, all of it.
I've always been obsessed with it.
I said, if there was a way to 100percent verify that you've had
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past lives and what they were, Iwould put money on the fact that, I
must've lived in Greece at one point.
And I remember he came to meafterwards because he listened to it.
He goes, why do you always do that?
Why are you always so skeptical?
Why do you always like downplaythe possibility of things?
I'm like, that's just my brain.
Like I'm, you know, I sit hereand I talk to the dead, but
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I'm also like very skeptical.
And like, I'm like, I need more proof,you know, so I then started to explain
to him and I've explained this on theshow, how All the past lives that I have
experienced, whether that is throughregression or my own journey or whatever.
even if the, the scenario that playedout in the past life wasn't real,
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there were things that were validated,you know, like I told you about
the one it was, um, and this, thisis the, uh, it was the one where.
I don't know where I was.
I know I was in more of a desertclimate and my skin was much
darker than it currently is.
And I had a son and Ilost my son from a battle.
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There was some kind of likething that happened where we
live and I ended up losing him.
And then I ended up going towork for this, like, I don't
know if they were king and queen.
I don't know if they were royaltyor just High profile people, and I
ended up, I was a priest for them.
And I remember telling the woman andthis was before I did mediumship.
Uh, I remember telling the woman thatwas facilitating my regression, I
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said I'm standing next to the statue,and I can feel the statue talking to
me, and she goes, Oh, are you a seer?
And I said, yes, so what wasvalidating for me in that is that
later when I started doing mediumship,the feeling I get when sprit is
communicating with me was that samefeeling I had in my past life when
I, that statue was like impressingits information on me or whatever.
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Okay.
So I explained all of that to him.
So then he, which I could not believeHe had never shared this with me and he
goes, Oh, well, one time when I did apast life regression, I was in Northern
Africa and I was a strategist for thismilitary campaign and something I did,
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went wrong and a bunch of people endedup dying that I, that weren't supposed
to, and it just hit me and I was like,We're talking about the same past life,
but from two different perspectives.
So whatever that battle was that hewas in charge of, I think is what
ended up taking my son in that life.
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So, which was just like, Whoa,like again, what are the odds?
We meet each other all through everything.
Now we're at this point where we'rehaving this conversation about past lives.
And we both have such,we have a very similar.
story that shared in it.
So, And that ended up, heended up actually moving
away, which was a little sad.
So, uh, but that was, that wasthe last time we were able to
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actually hang out in person for now.
I'm I planned a visit,but, it was, it was a cool.
So even though in that, duringthat time, I was in, like I said,
my little lull of not feeling, notfeeling very spiritual or whatever.
that was a very magical, very likehuge thing that came up and I'm like,
I need to share that on the show.
I think.
I think a lot of peoplewould enjoy that story.
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That's fascinating.
That's so interesting.
And I think that's like, that's so cool.
There's so many, I think times whereour souls will just recognize each
other, you know, from other lifetimes.
I think one of the funniest things iswhen my sister was telling me about an
experience she had with her boyfriend,I think it was, or that she's now with,
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but like, She's had this with a fewpeople where she'll be walking, and this
case happened at work, and then she sawthis person, she's like, ugh, it's you
again, and she had never met them before.
Like, it was just something thatautomatically came to her brain and had
this, like, annoyance of, like, oh, mygosh, you're so annoying, like, I don't
want to be around you, but, like, shedidn't even know this person's name yet
or who they were, right, and she endedup, you know, having a relationship
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with them later, but, you know, butthey're good, but, like, she's like,
but I know something happened in apast life, like, I can just feel, like,
Certain things, then we come back rightto kind of have a different path and
a different story with these peopleand learn different things from them.
Right.
So I don't know.
It's just so fascinating with that.
And even with my, my youngest son, Irecently had an experience to where I just
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suddenly felt like, And obviously, like,I, for a moment, I was like, well, is it
because I've had some loss this year thatmaybe I'm feeling a little bit of this
anxiety, but especially a few days ago.
Like, I've always had a little bit, hadthis fear with him specifically, but it
just hit me the other day where we're sostrong, where I got emotional about it.
But I had this feeling of like, oh mygosh, like, I feel like I've lost him.
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Like, I feel like I've mourned him before.
Like, At this age and like there's justcertain feelings that were coming up and
so I was just cuddling and he was sleepingand I was holding and I was crying.
I was like, this is justsomething that came over me.
And a few days later, he runsup to me and he's crying.
I'm like, why are you crying?
And he's like, I'm afraid you'regoing to die and I'm going to lose you
and you're not going to be my mommy.
And I, I don't know what I'm going to do.
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And so it was just this feeling of it.
I feel like we've been in lives togetherwhere we've had Together where we've lost
each other in different scenarios, andI think those feelings can Oftentimes,
you know come back and they can betriggered You know, by certain events
or like when you turn a certain ageor certain things kind of happen that
have similarities in other lives.
And I think that's also to where I thinkour last episode that we had put out
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was with Amber with the Akashic Records.
You know, we talked about likepast lives, like things like that.
So if you haven't listened to that,that's a good episode to kind of
talk about past lives as well.
But it's fascinating and just how wecan recognize people in our soul groups.
I've definitely had it where I've,I met somebody and I'm like, I know
you, like, I can't, I know you, right.
So yeah, that's really cool that youhad that connection that where you
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could like bring those two differentstories and recognize the timeline and
how they connected with each other.
That's amazing.
That's so
cool.
Yeah, it was, yeah, it was a pretty,it was a pretty magical moment.
And I, as you were saying, I mean, there'sdefinitely people in my life and I know
we've talked about this before withthat, you know, as you were saying, that
you just know that, you know, you justknow, you know, um, you know, you know,
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that there's, there's something there.
It just things tend, especially when it'sa complete stranger, when things just
click so effortlessly, like, I don't know.
I do believe, and again, like thereis no way to prove exactly what
our past lives were and, I do justas all of this, you know, whatever
we're receiving is an interpretationfor how we would understand that.
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So I do feel that happens with our pastlives to like we're only going to kind of
see things that our brain can comprehend.
That's the same thing withwhen I talked to people about
connecting with angels and.
These other spiritual beings, like,you know, they're going to show
themselves to you the way that yourbrain is going to understand it.
What's the, we talked about thistoo, before there's a book about
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a little boy, is it Billy fingers?
Is it that book, the little boythat, he had a near death experience
or he did crossover or something.
And he saw Jesus, but Jesus cameto him in a very Western Caucasian.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think of the Billy fingers.
Oh, I can't remember which one that
was.
I don't think it was Billy Fingers.
But there's, Billy Fingers is kind of, Ithink that one, is that the one where the
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sister is communicating with her brother?
That might be.
I think that's, yeah.
I think that's a different one.
Which one are you talking
about?
Boy, I just can'tremember what it's called.
Yeah, we'll put the link in the episode,but there's a, you know, in this, the
little boy had this experience where,you know, Jesus looked or showed up to
him the way that he would understandJesus to look like, because, um, you
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know, if, if he didn't look like hedid in the paintings or at, you know,
the church, In, in reality, and heshowed up that way, the little boy
might not be able to recognize him.
So I very much believe that is howall of this gets portrayed to us.
Whether we're reading for someoneor however it is, it's portrayed
the way that we understand it.
That's kind of why I've always, I'malways hesitant, when reading for
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someone, to give a lot of descriptionabout how I'm receiving their guides,
like their spirit guides Sure.
Anything like that because I alwaysjust feel like this is how it's
coming through for me and I neverwant to like take away what that
experience might be for someone else.
you know, I, I had a reading.
Oh God, it was like 20 something yearsago, and it was, it was one of the
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best readings I ever received and shesaid very specific things that did end
up coming true later down the road.
And, but she, she delivered it very, itwas all done to me in an appropriate way.
and she talked about two guides thatI, that I had, and, and I, and I
think maybe your guides can change.
I don't, you know, I don'tthink they're solid either.
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I think that energy that isaround us is Is also fluid.
but as I've been connecting orI've had people read into that
for me, it's never been what Iwas told, you know, by that one.
And I've always been waiting for like,those descriptive people to show up.
so yeah.
So anyway, that's, that'smy rant again on that.
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Yeah, no, I, it's funny.
I had one person tell me that Ihad, she was very specific with
like what my guides looked like.
One of them was named Lisa.
One of them was Alfred.
I was like, huh, interesting.
Interesting.
That like, but like the descriptionof like what they would do to help
me really matched, but I had ahard time representation of it.
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But I, it's true.
Like, I feel like for guides, You know,it is very much so what we've seen
and what we can feel comfortable withor what we can associate with, which
is why so many people have a lot, Ithink, of the same like image of certain
guides to a lot of people, indigenousor, you know, Native American guides.
Right.
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And that's because that's encompassinga certain type of energy, right.
And that's the way they're able to.
It or understand it to be,yeah, it's very fascinating.
Yeah, I wonder if there's anyone out therethat just just taps into that because
that's not, I know there's people thatlike, like, I like to channel like angelic
messages and messages from that realm.
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I don't always specifically havelike, uh, I have an idea of kind
of the energy I'm tapping into andkind of what that energy usually how
that's usually represented to me.
But usually when I walk people throughthat, I'm like, you know, just be
open to whatever comes through it.
It could be a color.
It could be a feeling like itdoesn't, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't have to be thislike specific figure that
represented that in human history.
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But yeah, I wonder if there's any,if there are people that do just
kind of like work in the guide realm.
I don't know if that might be a new one.
I
haven't really seen any lately.
I know like when I was younger, there weresome like local people that were really
into that type of thing where they would,you know, even do like art depicting
what they saw and stuff like that.
So It kind of brings me back to, youknow, even when we talk about Akashic
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records, because you, you have areader telling you these things, right?
But I think what makes it a goodreading or something that's valuable
is when you can have validations thatare currently happening in your own
life that you can reflect back on.
So then I wonder like what that wouldbe like to say, have somebody, you
know, make a picture of your guide.
Like, would there be things where like, Ohmy God, I've seen that color or I've seen
that face or there's certain descriptionsthat you can validate kind of things.
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So yeah, I don't know.
I'd be interested in getting this doneone day, maybe just to try it out.
No, for sure.
And as much as I'm like, you know,I'm careful about sharing that with
other people, what I'm getting, I thinkthere's a way that you could do that.
That's like, I would be interestedin, you know, whatever that other
person is receiving from me, you know,how could that also be interpreted?
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Like, what about that?
You know, where's that more informationwithin what they were seeing around
me or, or whatever, even if itwasn't exactly what it is, which
that's, that's what makes this world.
So, uh, magical is no matter how goodyou are, how long you're doing it, not
a single person can give you an exact.
for sure answer as to what all of itis in the end, you know, we're just
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trying to make our best guesses andassumptions and trying to lead with
our heart to try and figure out theclosest thing that we can do to describe
what, what all of this is anyway.
So, you said, I believe thatyou pulled some cards for today.
Yeah, I have some beside me right now.
So I have family and then reconciliation.
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So cancer season, right?
So it's like that energy's coming, right?
So it really feels like aboutconnecting this conversation, right?
Like where you're like, Oh, who am I?
Where are my roots?
What can I do to connect to myselfand others and really enjoy this life?
So just bringing that fun,playful energy back into it.
I think that's another thing I've beenreally trying to tap into You know, to
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find that play, I was talking to a friendrecently and I was saying like, for
me specifically when I grew up, like Ihad a lot of responsibility and I think
there's a lot of us who've taken on thatrole in different ways and it's easy to
kind of get away from our creative side.
So it's really bringing thatenergy back and then playing and
being creative and having fun.
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And then reconciliation isanother interesting one because
it could have different meanings.
Right.
So in one sense, I'm seeing thatreconciliation with somebody in your life.
kind of what we're talking about too,where you're like, oh my gosh, like this
person was supposed to be my soulmate,or maybe things didn't work out in the
timeline that you thought it would, andjust becoming, you know, just kind of
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coming to an understanding of that'sokay, and reconciling with that, and
knowing that you're safe and peacefulin a place where you're supposed
to be, and everything is unfoldingthe way it should, and just having
trust in that unfolding, unfolding.
Because that can be the scarypart too, where you're like,
I don't know what I'm doing.
I feel like this is a message fortype A people, where you're like,
I need to micromanage my life.
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What am I doing this month?
Where am I going right now?
He's putting up his hand right now.
Yeah, me.
I'm like, I think this reading's for me.
This always happens.
I think we're just readingfor each other all the time.
So
just trusting in that and like, youknow, knowing that it's going to be okay.
The image that I have, I'mgoing to show it to Payton here.
It's two women holding hands in water.
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And they're kind of like stretchingthemselves a little bit and I think
that's what can happen when we're inthese situations we kind of get stretched
a little bit, even spiritually, likewhat I've been going through I'm being
stretched spiritually and trying tounderstand and reconcile with where you're
at right now in your spiritual developmentor your journey in life and where you
are kind of thing so it's a little bit ofthat coming in, then we have like a big
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full moon in that picture as well and sojust Really taking time, like to ground
ourselves and to take care of ourselves.
Like you were saying, when youwent to that retreat, it wasn't
necessarily to really get into thathigher vibration of development.
It was like, okay, like I need to takecare of myself now, because I think a
lot of us are going through a lot ofstress and a lot of change in life.
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And we forget to breathe inand take care of ourselves.
So there can be a lotof beauty in the human.
I think we have to recognize thatthat's part of the journey, why
we came here in the first place.
So.
Yeah, that's what I'm gettingthe cards and both of the
cards have the big full moon.
Well this is synchronisticbecause the cards I pulled today
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were from the moonology deck.
And, well, yeah, and theykind of coincide with that.
So, to kind of piggyback.
off what you were saying.
thank you for that, because I'm like,I'm like digesting some of that.
I'm like, oh yeah, that's, you'redefinitely talking about me.
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the first one here I have,is a reminder for people that
you do have luck on your side.
And that is exactly, it's, thissays new moon and Sagittarius,
luck is on your side.
And That is coming up today becauseI can feel I can also share from
experience that when things get hardand things get challenging, it sometimes
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feels like your luck has run out.
It sometimes feels like thereis no support around you.
It sometimes feels like hopeless.
is a word that just came to me.
So, this is a reminder that evenif you are still navigating, a more
challenging moment with whatever'shappening in your life right
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now, there is luck on your side.
So things are shifting so thatyou can get further along your
path and it is going to work out.
I pulled kind of two, I pulled cardsfrom two decks to kind of support that.
The one that support, it's um,I have here supporting that one.
For those of you, this is resonatingwith it's because you, even in those
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darkest moments, you have that aspectin your mind to be able to see things
from a much grander perspective thatyou can see how in your life things
have worked out, you can see the biggerpicture of things, you can see that.
It's just to remind you to tap into thatpart, even if it's not always easy tap
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into that way of thinking, because thatthat's what's going to help give you
those little glimmers of hope to get youthrough these last few stages of whatever
shifting and changing in your world.
The next card here.
it's about working through your fears.
and that tends to be, a lot of timeswhat can make things not always, but
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when I'm feeling with what I'm goingwith what I'm reading in these cards,
it's like some of those fears arewhat's really fueling that hopelessness.
It's like, it's, it's those fearsthat the they're probably realistic
fears, but it doesn't mean thatthose are solid confirmations of
how things are going to happen.
And it doesn't mean that thatthat's the end all be all.
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so you can give thanks to those fearsbecause you know, there's a reason
that's triggering that in you and that'sokay, but just don't let it consume
you to the point where it's taking overyour ability to see through it and your
ability to see how you're growing fromthis and your ability to, be able to
get through this, this muck that you'rein right now, um, and the card that I
have here supporting that, these fearsare tampering your energetic drive.
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And.
That's not, that's not, that's an okaything to be in for a minute, but we need
to get, we need to get back to a placewhere that, that drive in us, that, that
the part that makes us feel creative andinspired, uh, that we're feeding that as
well, um, cause we don't, we, it's notgood to completely put that fire out and
just let those fears take that fire away.
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and a lot of this, with this card.
A lot of this is about yourfeeling secure and like your home.
So again, very, veryappropriate for cancer season.
This is a lot about like your security,your financial security, your home
security, you're feeling safe at home.
and it feels like that's a lotof what's fueling this fear.
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So.
The message at the end here, whichis good is as Shayla said, you
know, this card literally says, taketime to breathe out, just breathe.
It will pass, you know, acceptthe feelings that you're having,
but don't let them consume you.
As I was saying, and just takea minute to let things kind of
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settle down so that you can get abetter view of what your path is.
So you can get a better graspon what the situation is.
What things you do needto really be conscious of.
Maybe some of those fearsaren't really as big as they
are making themselves out to be.
Maybe there's other things youneed to be paying attention
to that are more important.
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Just take a moment to take a breath andjust reconnect with yourself so that
you can start to see things clearly.
The last card here that is supportingthat, is Archangel Michael.
And I love when he comes in becausethis card is all about how he.
He's very protective for us.
He's looking out for us.
He's going to help supportthat part of you that is that
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lucky sense in your nature.
That, that stroke of luck,that, um, that good fortune.
He also helps us move through thingsthat, that we need to grow out of.
See, I was about to use some spirituallingo, but I, I navigated around it and.
A lot of probably what's making usuncomfortable is that we need to move.
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We need to shift.
We need to change our direction.
We need to get into a new space.
We need to move away from certain people.
We need to get out of certain situations.
And that causes, thatcan be very scary to do.
And he's just helping us move throughthis so that we can then be where we
want to be and we can be in a betterplace and then move into the next
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phase of the next lessons that we have.
Cause life is all about continual lessons,continual growth, continual expansion.
but you know, he is, he'san amazing archangel.
He is so helpful and so powerful whenit comes to personal growth, especially
for those of us in the spiritual world.
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He is the first one thatusually shows up for us.
And he's usually the first one thatmakes himself known that he's there.
So I feel very much, there's alot of blue energy too, which
that's very much Michael.
Um, that's coming up in my spread as well.
So I know it resonates with me.
I hope it resonates with some of you.
Um, We're all kind of going through it inone way or another right now or have been.
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And, there is beauty in the darkness andthere's a lot that we can gain from that,
to help make the other side even brighter.
So
that's beautiful.
I love all of that.
So thank you for that.
Yeah, I, that will resonatewith a lot of people for sure.
I think another word that I justkept hearing too, while you're
talking about that is closure.
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And I think that's scary for people.
It's like, Oh, closure,like the end of something.
But I think that's for a lot of people.
It's not a bad thing.
It's a good thing.
You're just, there's thingsthat need to be done.
And now you can move forward to thenext thing and just travel through your
life on a more optimistic, you know,Upwork, sphere, if that makes sense, so.
(47:32):
Especially if what it is you're movingthrough or what it is you're needing
closure from is connected to, like whatI was saying, um, your, your security.
Yeah.
Or something that you have security in.
Maybe that isn't your home.
Maybe that isn't a job.
Maybe it's just a way of thinking.
Maybe it's, I mean, it could be so manythings that we feel secure in because
we're comfortable and that's all we know.
(47:53):
Right.
And it is really hard to change sometimesbecause the unknown is very scary.
And that's, that's the point of thisis don't let that fear of, you know,
what could happen, prevent you frommoving past, these things and getting,
getting the closure so that you thenhave more room to be more expansive
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and have more joy and have more.
gratitude in your life,on the other side of it.
So,
and like a lot of times we have attachmentto certain things that we've had in
our lives for so long too, or, oh, I'vebeen working on that for so long, or
I've had that, you know, person thing,whatever situation in my life for so
long, it can feel scary to let go of that.
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But even when you're talking about that,it's making me think of like, Certain
belief systems I've had or things likethat where it's like, oh, whoa, like
that's a closing door on something thatI never thought I would want to leave
behind or, you know, but we were goingthrough different things and evolving and
seeing things from different perspectives.
And it's not a bad thing.
You know, it's We're openingourselves up different things.
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So, yeah, I loved all that you said, I'mgoing to have to look that again later.
I know.
I'm like, I kind of can't wait to editthis episode so I can listen to your,
listen to your reading again, becauseit's very relevant for me at the moment.
So, yeah.
So yeah, well, this has been great.
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Okay, hello, everybody.
It has been a while sincewe did a podcast episode.
Payton and myself have been lifing.
We've been having veryhuman moments in our lives.
So we kind of had to take a littlebreak for a bit just because there was
a lot going on in each of our livesand a lot of emotional stuff, a lot
of life changes and things like that.
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So we're excited to be back today.
So we're just going to do A littlecatch up and kind of talk about some
of the things we've been experiencing.
And I hope it resonates with some peopleand, you know, starts some conversations.
Some thoughts about different things.
So, yeah.
So I guess I'm going to start withasking Payton, like what's been
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going on for you in your life?
You've had lots of different things.
You've been traveling a lot.
Yes.
There's, there's been a lot.
I'm very grateful and happy.
I've been able to take acouple pretty amazing trips.
This year I went back to one of myfavorite places, which is Greece, and
I got to spend a really long time thereand I went with a childhood friend and we
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just had, we just had an absolute blast.
And then I just got back from, I wasup, kind of in your neck of the woods.
I was in your country.
I just wasn't that close to where you are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One more province over.
I went to, the spirit school retreat, uh,again, if, if our listeners remember, I
went there last year and it was amazing.
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It was beautiful.
It's just, Like such an amazing groupof people, like, it's so important,
to have community and to just, itwas so nice to just be in a space of
your people, you know, people thatunderstand how you see the world
and how you experience the world.
And, this retreat, uh, everyone thereis developing mainly mediumship.
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but there's other people thatdo focus in other modalities.
but.
The retreat wasn't about development.
It was about self care and takingcare of ourselves and reconnecting
with our, uh, there was a lot of focuson, we focused on all the chakras.
so every day we worked on acouple of different chakras
and did different activities.
And, it was just a lot of healing.
It was a lot of love.
It was just, it was great.
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So, I was up in.
British Columbia as well.
So that was, so that was beautiful, butyeah, like you mentioned, you know, as,
as I know you have, I've also just beenkind of having to human, one of the
biggest lessons that I learned whileI was on my trip in Greece, actually.
and I did share this.
I did an episode on spirit schoolspodcast, and I talked about this.
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So for our listeners that listento both, you'll, you'll be
hearing a little bit of it again.
I was expecting I had been, I've beendoing so much humaning so far this year
that I don't always feel that spiritual.
I, it, it feels like it takes alot more work for me to connect,
spiritually, you know, I just thinkthose are, I think it ebbs and flows.
So for those of you that are newlydeveloping, please be prepared for the
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ebbs and flows because some days it'sgoing to feel like the most magical thing.
And then some days you can't even,you can't even, you don't even
have it in you to try and connect.
so I.
I had just kind of assumed that when Iwent back to Greece, that it was just
going to be like lights on, you know,just this crazy spiritual experience.
And in ways it was, but itkind of wasn't and it was okay.
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And the lesson I got, it was spiritdid come to me afterwards and.
It was just reminded to me that,you know, seeing angel numbers,
talking to loved ones on the otherside, being able to foresee things
that are possible in the future.
Those feel super magical.
And those are very spiritual, but we'rehere as humans having a human experience,
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regardless of what we're able to tap into.
And Honestly, nothing is more spiritually,powerful and better for your spiritual
development than just being human andjust having those human moments and, just
living your life and having experiences.
So, that was, that was a prettypowerful message that I, I think
it was a good time for me to hear.
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And, and I know, uh, other people Ishared that with kind of have had to learn
similar things too, that there, thereis a lot of magic and beauty of just.
just living your life and just havingthose beautiful experiences with your
friends, loved ones or, or whatever.
So, so that was really beautiful.
so as time is going on, I'm startingto kind of feel the lights now are
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finally starting to turn back on.
And, you know, I think it wasgood to kind of step away.
Cause Shayla and I had talked, we,and I'll let her share this as well,
but, we both were in kind of thatvibe and didn't, we don't want to
just do this podcast just to do it.
We don't want to just recordepisodes, just record it.
We want it to be authentic.
We want it to be purposeful.
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We were interviewed on anotherpodcast, uh, Juan Francisco, Juan
Third Eye, which I believe today hejust changed his Instagram handle.
So it might be, it mightbe under something else.
but, you know, he said to us that.
He found this podcast to be kind oflike a form of mentorship for him.
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And that to me, just, Imean, that meant the world.
That is the reason why we wanted to startthis podcast is for people to feel like it
was a place to expand and grow and learn.
And, And be so, that even mademe think more about, like, I want
to make sure it's purposeful.
You know, I need to make sure we're bothin the right space, the right time and the
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right vibe, to be putting this out there.
Cause that's, what's going to be themost beneficial to our listeners.
so I, I was excited to get back ontoday and, and, and get on here.
So I I'll let you kind of, kindof piggyback off that Shayla.
Cause I, I know you've beenin a similar space as well.
I always find it funny how a lot ofthe times we have a lot of similar kind
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of reflective things happening in ourlife, our energies and stuff like that.
So that was really interesting when wehad that conversation to kind of see
how we were both feeling about that.
I think there's been so manychanges that have happened.
In the last, I don't know, last few yearsfor me, but especially in the last few
months and I've had a few people thatI've lost who have died and so that's
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really been pushing me into the realityof being human and like life and what it
means and the fact that we really don'thave a lot of time on this earth, even if
we have 100 years, it's still not a lot.
And so like losing my grandfather kindof brought me into this place and just
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realizing the importance of familyand connection and just doing what we
want to do in life and like allowingourselves to go out there and do that.
And so then it made me questionlike, what am I, what am I doing?
It brought me back to that place.
And, and the thing is like being,you know, in these situations where
religion comes up again, more likegoing to funerals, the, you know, the
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different rituals and things like that.
That happened and seeingthose different things.
It was kind of an interesting placefor me because it made me kind
of question my own belief system.
And I kind of realized that there aresome things that I don't necessarily
resonate with in the spiritual community,or I'm feeling uncomfortable with, but
then it was also the same time, like,I really don't feel connected to these
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big religious organizations either.
So then where am I fittingin with certain things?
Um, And just this feeling suddenly thateverything didn't feel quite as real
or as authentic and I think that canhappen a lot of times when you lose
somebody you love because it reallystrips things down and brings them
to rock bottom or bare minimum whereyou're just like looking around you're
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doing oh my gosh like What is life?
Who am I?
Like, where is my place in this world?
All of that stuff.
And then I had a big movethat happened as well.
And I've moved too many timesin my lifetime after counting.
I'm like, what?
I'm not a military person.
I didn't grow up in a military.
So just wanting stability.
And so we ended up moving backwith my mom and my sisters for a
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bit here while we kind of try tofigure out where we want to land.
More long term because I'mjust needing stability.
I need that not just every, youknow, two or three years moving and
that's a lot to do with the climateright now and housing and mortgages
and rentals and things like that.
It's just really, really, it's crazy.
Like my rent went up almost 400and two years and she wanted to
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raise it another hundred next year.
So I'm like, Oh my gosh, likeI can't just be throwing all
this money into someone else.
If that makes sense.
And so just trying to like findall these different balances and.
I think I've had to kind of peelback all these different layers and
find out, like, what do I love to do?
What lights me up?
What do I maybe want tolet go of in some ways?
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I think mediumship is somethingI always will have a passion for
and I really, really love it.
But I'm coming to the realizationthat I don't know if I want
to do it to make money.
and I, I do believe, and that kindof goes into another, like, situation
where it's like we talk about, IPeople making money through this
type of stuff, like spiritual stuff.
I think that I will die on a hill, likesaying that we do need to make money.
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We do need to feed ourfamilies and things like that.
But there's something about mediumshipthat for me personally, I feel like,
you know, it has to be more on a slidingscale or something, maybe even I just
do for free for people, because that'swhat feels good for me right now.
And then there's other things I wantto do, like potentially like mentorship
or things like that and energy work.
that I'd like to do moving forward.
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So I'm just kind of in a place whereI'm like, trying to figure out where I'm
landing and that can feel very human.
So that's where things and justalso like the spiritual community.
I think another thing that'sbeen difficult for me to process
is how monetized it can bein corporate almost feeling.
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And then it kind of takes away from, Idon't know, for me, what feels authentic.
Like I've seen people whowere really grounded at one
point and then who are now.
You know, people are talking aboutthem on Reddit and saying like, you
know, this person scanned me out of 10,000, like, you know, offering 3, 000
readings, one hour readings, and justkind of, I feel like ego coming in.
And then it's just like,it just becomes too much.
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And then to me, I'm like, well, that'sfalse too, because then I see like
religion, there's certain things inreligion that I see as very false
and very egotistical and controlling.
And I see that in the spiritualcommunity, I think it's like
extremism and thing is a problem.
And I think that's justwhat I've been noticing.
So trying to come down from that and like.
Find the balance of in between becausethere is realness in life and there
is people out there who are reallydoing what they love and doing it from
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a place of passion and considerationand kindness and all of that stuff.
And so it's just aboutfinding that, right?
Like finding, like you said, you'refinding your people kind of thing,
your energy field and, and all of that.
So that's my mouthful of like,all the things I kind of been like
processing and going through lately.
No, that's so good.
cause for me, that's kind of some ofwith everything, you know, I've had these
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awesome trips, but I've also had like someother things happening in my world that,
I know we had talked at one point that itfelt like things were being kind of torn
down, so that I could get back to the rootas to why I want to even be in this space,
why I want to have a voice in this space.
You know, what is it?
I might, what is myintention of being here.
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which I think is important and Iagree with everything you said.
I personally, you know, youknow, I have bills to pay.
We all have bills to pay.
It's, it is, it is expensive tolive wherever you are right now.
It feels, so, I do find this path,whether it's mediumship or when you're
channeling into someone's spirit orspirit of those who have gone, that
is a sacred calling in my belief.
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And it is very, but we are still human.
So there's this like, there's thistug and pull that as you, as you
do become more successful and liketrying to keep balance in that.
so I, I just feel that especially nowadayswhere it's like, If you have an online
presence and that's where you're tryingto build your business, you know, you have
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to, you have to make content constantly.
You have to make sure youget all these followers.
And then that kind of becomeswhat it is you're doing
and
it can.
And I think it can kind oftake away from the other side.
I just, I, I think that it's, I thinkit's a very delicate thing to balance.
I'm not saying there aren't people outthere that have, that have done that
in a beautiful and appropriate way.
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but I've also seen the other side as well.
And so I just, I kind of,and it sounds like with you,
it's kind of the same thing.
Like, like you said, you and I tendto be in this like, same like karmic,
learning thing at the same time.
Yeah.
It's a
roller coaster and.
You know, it's again, that's alsojust so funny because, just that we
even crossed paths and, you know,we're doing the show and just,
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yeah,
obviously spirit brought ustogether for that reason.
but, it's just that feeling of.
let's slow everything down.
Let's take a minute.
Let's get back to the root as to whatwe're doing and why we're doing it.
Because I really do thinkthere is a way to do this in an
appropriate, authentic, genuine way.
And I think that's whatpeople really need.
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So one story I would like to shareof something that, uh, I experienced
over the past couple months that,is very much on, on topic with this.
And, This is both for our listenersthat are those who receive readings,
but as much this is to thoselisteners that are out there that,
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facilitate readings for people.
So, I, I know a woman that, Shelived in a different city than I
live in now, that's not too far away.
And she came here, she was referred toan intuitive that is local where I live.
And, she went to this woman and thiswoman told her that, if she could see
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that if she moved, that would then leadto her finding her soulmate and that
they would live happily ever after.
I don't know if she used thosewords, but that is what my client.
That's how my client received it.
So I, you know, I wasn'tthere in the reading.
I'm just, I'm just repeatingwhat was shared to be fair.
So, the woman I know, she,she took a leap of faith.
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She moved, she ended up movingto the city that I'm in.
She very shortly after met aguy, it was her like dream guy.
They were so happy.
Everything was great until he left her.
And.
She was devastated as we all are.
When that happens, that's, you know,it's a hard thing to go through.
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And, you know, she reached out to mebecause she knows the work I do as well.
And she's like, I'm just so confused.
And so this, this iswhat I shared with her.
And this is also just the reminderI'm wanting to make is that that
woman that read for her, she is avery talented, gifted, intuitive.
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And I believe that she did seecertain things there, but it's the
way that she delivered it becauseshe's Having the, the client here
that their soulmate that is destined.
Cause what a soulmate mean, it meansit's destined that the heavens have
aligned it in your tapestry of fatethat this was supposed to happen if she
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moved in it did, but then it fell apart.
The client, what are theyleft thinking afterwards?
They're left thinkingthat what did I do wrong?
How did I fail this?
How did I ruin what waswritten in the stars?
How did I, how, you know, it's, youalready naturally go through that when
you go through a breakup, especiallyif you're the one that's on the crappy
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end of that, that conversation, you're,and then to have this like, You know,
person that's connecting to sourceand spirit, then tell you that, you
know, more or less leave you feelingthat way that you've somehow failed to
me, that is just insanely unethical.
And, you know, I, as I told Shayla,when I was sharing the story with her,
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you know, if I was that woman, I wouldhave said, you know, I can see that.
If you choose to make a move inyour future, that could bring
an opportunity for romance.
That doesn't mean that this is your likeone and only, I can just see that there's
some potential for a romantic connectionor meeting someone or an important
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connection that could come from that.
But that doesn't mean that if youdon't move, you might not also
find that somewhere else as well.
So that's, I just, itfelt important to share.
It felt important as a reminder to just,for those of you out there receiving
readings, again, as we've talked aboutmany times on this show, you know, take
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everything with a grain of salt, you know,they, Just because we can see the future.
The future is not solid.
The future is fluid there.
It is, it is your life.
You have free will, youget to make the choices.
And if you're out there givingreadings, just be very aware of the
language that you use around it.
And.
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remember that the future is fluid.
And just because you're seeingsomething, you're only able to
tap into the energy of the client.
That's happening at that momentin time, all of the power in the
world only exists within the now.
The past is solid concrete.
It's set already.
The future is completely fluid.
All the energy, all of thepower is at this moment.
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Moment right now.
So remember that as you're sharinginformation with people so that you can
deliver it in a way that is beneficialfor them to then make their own decisions.
Yeah, no, definitely.
I think that's a good example of, youknow, what can happen with reading.
Sometimes I've known people,even in my own family, who have
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gone to like a psychic or medium.
And they're told something similar,like you're going to meet your husband
in a bar in this certain setting, andyou're going to meet them in six months.
And then it didn't end upbeing in that timeframe.
And so that just took awayall this hope from them.
And then like you get people to like,this is like the funny thing where it's
like, Oh, you're going to meet somebody.
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And then they maybe stop goingout as much or doing these things.
I could put them in aposition to meet Right.
Cause there's an aspect oflike, you are co creating at
every time your life, right?
So you have to keep the momentum up.
And I think the word soulmate isinteresting too, because I think we can
have, I mean, soulmate means differentthings to different people, but I think
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you can, you know, that soul connectionwith people where you do have this amazing
connection, you're supposed to meet them.
They're supposed to be in your life,but not necessarily in the full
timeline of this human existence.
Right.
Right.
Like we have.
Who come in and they, they are partof our, our soul family or, you
know, our path of what we chose.
And so there's nothingwrong that that person did.
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It just like, there was something thatperson wasn't supposed to be with them.
Exactly.
Right.
Right.
So, yeah.
And I guess empowering, you know,people like the sitter who's getting the
reading to also just, and I think that'sanother thing that's been bothering me.
It's like how much, you know, we aredealing with people in like really,
you know, emotional things, right.
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vulnerable things, right?
So, you know, it is important to think asa reader to make sure that we empower our
sitter to make their own choices and tobe careful about language and all of that.
So that's just a learningprocess for everybody.
I think, you know, if you're in theAnd you want to have a reading or
give readings and things like that.
So yeah, there's a lot of power theway we speak and say things as readers.
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And
that's too, where it's this fineline of when you're doing this as
a career, you have to make money.
And I think it is very important forthe person receiving the reading.
energetically they give something for it.
I just think that exchange of energythat reciprocity of that, I think
that's important for everyone involved.
but there's a lot of people out therelooking for readings that are very
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vulnerable and are wanting you to tellthem what to do that is a hurdle that we
all have to figure out how to navigate, isthat when people come to you and they're,
they're hoping you're going to tell themwhat to do and what decisions to make.
And that A lot of times I very much makethem clear as to how I read and what
I'm going to bring through for them.
And maybe it's, if they're inthat kind of space, maybe you're
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not the right reader for them.
It's okay to tell people like,you know, I just don't, I don't
feel comfortable with this.
This doesn't, thisdoesn't feel right for me.
You know, maybe, thisis how I like to read.
If that's not something you would, youfeel comfortable receiving, then, you
know, you can always stop a reader.
You don't have to just read forsomeone because they're sitting there.
But, I just think that's such adelicate space when, if you are not
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very clear with People, what it isyou're doing, how it is you want
to work, your intention behind it.
And, just making sure you're notjust telling people what they want
to hear or just feeding into that.
I don't know.
It's, it's very delicate and that's,you know, I, I think that since you
and I both very much have always talkedabout how important that is and all of
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that, I think that is why spirit has.
Make sure to keep us.
Keep us re grounding, keep uslike keep human beings, so that
we stay true to who we are.
So that the people that we do interactwith, you know, they received the magic
that we do have and that we can offer.
And you know, that's, that's just howI, that's just kind of how I feel.
Let's see it.
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But yeah, there's a lotof people out there.
There is, and
there's a reader for everybody.
Like you said, there really is.
Yes.
Other people.
So I know you had another story.
I
do.
Yeah.
It's so good.
It's so good.
Okay.
Are you guys ready?
Okay.
We've, we've, we've done thedisciplinary conversations.
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Now it's time for fun.
So this was pretty, spectacular.
okay.
Where do I start?
So I shared, we'vetalked about past lives.
On this podcast so, okay,another piece to this to kind
of put all the pieces together.
so last year I met someone here locally.
we dated for a while, became verygood friends, like, um, hi, Jeffrey.
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I told him I was going to throwout a little hello to him.
and just, he's an amazing human.
And, he's also in this world.
So that was like, what are the oddsthat in Des Moines, Iowa, I find another
gay male that was interested in me thatalso like understood this world, you
know, like, it was just, it was great.
And even though the timingjust, The timing for a couple of
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different reasons just wasn't right.
And, but we, we maintained afriendship and it like, we became
even closer after that period.
I mean, we needed some time to cool off,but It's he's just, he's very dear to me.
So, With him, we've talked aboutpast lives on this podcast before.
So with him, I remember we had aconversation once and it was right
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after we broke up and he said, whatdo you think the point of this was?
If we have this great connection,but we weren't meant to like make
this a thing and work on that.
and I said, because I, I knowin my heart of hearts, he and
I have had past lives together.
I can just, I can feel it.
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So I said to him, I said, I really trulybelieve that you and I have some sort
of soul trust because of our past livestogether, that in this life, we needed
each other to help each other open upour heart spaces, to break down the walls
that for different reasons, he and I, heand I have very different stories, but
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we both had very similar, uh, Uh, wallsaround our heart and, uh, relationships
and with, you know, friends and everythinglike we, you know, we both had some
similar wounding, that I, I, I know wehave healed for each other to some degree.
So I was like, I really feel that, weneeded each other at that time for that.
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So, okay.
So then some time passes.
And, I, like I said, I did that, uh,interview on spirit schools podcast, and
I was talking about my trip to Greece.
And I said that, I, I justlove Greek culture, the
language, the music, all of it.
I've always been obsessed with it.
I said, if there was a way to 100percent verify that you've had
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past lives and what they were, Iwould put money on the fact that, I
must've lived in Greece at one point.
And I remember he came to meafterwards because he listened to it.
He goes, why do you always do that?
Why are you always so skeptical?
Why do you always like downplaythe possibility of things?
I'm like, that's just my brain.
Like I'm, you know, I sit hereand I talk to the dead, but
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I'm also like very skeptical.
And like, I'm like, I need more proof,you know, so I then started to explain
to him and I've explained this on theshow, how All the past lives that I have
experienced, whether that is throughregression or my own journey or whatever.
even if the, the scenario that playedout in the past life wasn't real,
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there were things that were validated,you know, like I told you about
the one it was, um, and this, thisis the, uh, it was the one where.
I don't know where I was.
I know I was in more of a desertclimate and my skin was much
darker than it currently is.
And I had a son and Ilost my son from a battle.
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There was some kind of likething that happened where we
live and I ended up losing him.
And then I ended up going towork for this, like, I don't
know if they were king and queen.
I don't know if they were royaltyor just High profile people, and I
ended up, I was a priest for them.
And I remember telling the woman andthis was before I did mediumship.
Uh, I remember telling the woman thatwas facilitating my regression, I
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said I'm standing next to the statue,and I can feel the statue talking to
me, and she goes, Oh, are you a seer?
And I said, yes, so what wasvalidating for me in that is that
later when I started doing mediumship,the feeling I get when sprit is
communicating with me was that samefeeling I had in my past life when
I, that statue was like impressingits information on me or whatever.
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Okay.
So I explained all of that to him.
So then he, which I could not believeHe had never shared this with me and he
goes, Oh, well, one time when I did apast life regression, I was in Northern
Africa and I was a strategist for thismilitary campaign and something I did,
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went wrong and a bunch of people endedup dying that I, that weren't supposed
to, and it just hit me and I was like,We're talking about the same past life,
but from two different perspectives.
So whatever that battle was that hewas in charge of, I think is what
ended up taking my son in that life.
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So, which was just like, Whoa,like again, what are the odds?
We meet each other all through everything.
Now we're at this point where we'rehaving this conversation about past lives.
And we both have such,we have a very similar.
story that shared in it.
So, And that ended up, heended up actually moving
away, which was a little sad.
So, uh, but that was, that wasthe last time we were able to
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actually hang out in person for now.
I'm I planned a visit,but, it was, it was a cool.
So even though in that, duringthat time, I was in, like I said,
my little lull of not feeling, notfeeling very spiritual or whatever.
that was a very magical, very likehuge thing that came up and I'm like,
I need to share that on the show.
I think.
I think a lot of peoplewould enjoy that story.
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That's fascinating.
That's so interesting.
And I think that's like, that's so cool.
There's so many, I think times whereour souls will just recognize each
other, you know, from other lifetimes.
I think one of the funniest things iswhen my sister was telling me about an
experience she had with her boyfriend,I think it was, or that she's now with,
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but like, She's had this with a fewpeople where she'll be walking, and this
case happened at work, and then she sawthis person, she's like, ugh, it's you
again, and she had never met them before.
Like, it was just something thatautomatically came to her brain and had
this, like, annoyance of, like, oh, mygosh, you're so annoying, like, I don't
want to be around you, but, like, shedidn't even know this person's name yet
or who they were, right, and she endedup, you know, having a relationship
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with them later, but, you know, butthey're good, but, like, she's like,
but I know something happened in apast life, like, I can just feel, like,
Certain things, then we come back rightto kind of have a different path and
a different story with these peopleand learn different things from them.
Right.
So I don't know.
It's just so fascinating with that.
And even with my, my youngest son, Irecently had an experience to where I just
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suddenly felt like, And obviously, like,I, for a moment, I was like, well, is it
because I've had some loss this year thatmaybe I'm feeling a little bit of this
anxiety, but especially a few days ago.
Like, I've always had a little bit, hadthis fear with him specifically, but it
just hit me the other day where we're sostrong, where I got emotional about it.
But I had this feeling of like, oh mygosh, like, I feel like I've lost him.
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Like, I feel like I've mourned him before.
Like, At this age and like there's justcertain feelings that were coming up and
so I was just cuddling and he was sleepingand I was holding and I was crying.
I was like, this is justsomething that came over me.
And a few days later, he runsup to me and he's crying.
I'm like, why are you crying?
And he's like, I'm afraid you'regoing to die and I'm going to lose you
and you're not going to be my mommy.
And I, I don't know what I'm going to do.
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And so it was just this feeling of it.
I feel like we've been in lives togetherwhere we've had Together where we've lost
each other in different scenarios, andI think those feelings can Oftentimes,
you know come back and they can betriggered You know, by certain events
or like when you turn a certain ageor certain things kind of happen that
have similarities in other lives.
And I think that's also to where I thinkour last episode that we had put out
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was with Amber with the Akashic Records.
You know, we talked about likepast lives, like things like that.
So if you haven't listened to that,that's a good episode to kind of
talk about past lives as well.
But it's fascinating and just how wecan recognize people in our soul groups.
I've definitely had it where I've,I met somebody and I'm like, I know
you, like, I can't, I know you, right.
So yeah, that's really cool that youhad that connection that where you
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could like bring those two differentstories and recognize the timeline and
how they connected with each other.
That's amazing.
That's so
cool.
Yeah, it was, yeah, it was a pretty,it was a pretty magical moment.
And I, as you were saying, I mean, there'sdefinitely people in my life and I know
we've talked about this before withthat, you know, as you were saying, that
you just know that, you know, you justknow, you know, um, you know, you know,
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that there's, there's something there.
It just things tend, especially when it'sa complete stranger, when things just
click so effortlessly, like, I don't know.
I do believe, and again, like thereis no way to prove exactly what
our past lives were and, I do justas all of this, you know, whatever
we're receiving is an interpretationfor how we would understand that.
(31:40):
So I do feel that happens with our pastlives to like we're only going to kind of
see things that our brain can comprehend.
That's the same thing withwhen I talked to people about
connecting with angels and.
These other spiritual beings, like,you know, they're going to show
themselves to you the way that yourbrain is going to understand it.
What's the, we talked about thistoo, before there's a book about
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a little boy, is it Billy fingers?
Is it that book, the little boythat, he had a near death experience
or he did crossover or something.
And he saw Jesus, but Jesus cameto him in a very Western Caucasian.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think of the Billy fingers.
Oh, I can't remember which one that
was.
I don't think it was Billy Fingers.
But there's, Billy Fingers is kind of, Ithink that one, is that the one where the
(32:25):
sister is communicating with her brother?
That might be.
I think that's, yeah.
I think that's a different one.
Which one are you talking
about?
Boy, I just can'tremember what it's called.
Yeah, we'll put the link in the episode,but there's a, you know, in this, the
little boy had this experience where,you know, Jesus looked or showed up to
him the way that he would understandJesus to look like, because, um, you
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know, if, if he didn't look like hedid in the paintings or at, you know,
the church, In, in reality, and heshowed up that way, the little boy
might not be able to recognize him.
So I very much believe that is howall of this gets portrayed to us.
Whether we're reading for someoneor however it is, it's portrayed
the way that we understand it.
That's kind of why I've always, I'malways hesitant, when reading for
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someone, to give a lot of descriptionabout how I'm receiving their guides,
like their spirit guides Sure.
Anything like that because I alwaysjust feel like this is how it's
coming through for me and I neverwant to like take away what that
experience might be for someone else.
you know, I, I had a reading.
Oh God, it was like 20 something yearsago, and it was, it was one of the
(33:32):
best readings I ever received and shesaid very specific things that did end
up coming true later down the road.
And, but she, she delivered it very, itwas all done to me in an appropriate way.
and she talked about two guides thatI, that I had, and, and I, and I
think maybe your guides can change.
I don't, you know, I don'tthink they're solid either.
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I think that energy that isaround us is Is also fluid.
but as I've been connecting orI've had people read into that
for me, it's never been what Iwas told, you know, by that one.
And I've always been waiting for like,those descriptive people to show up.
so yeah.
So anyway, that's, that'smy rant again on that.
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Yeah, no, I, it's funny.
I had one person tell me that Ihad, she was very specific with
like what my guides looked like.
One of them was named Lisa.
One of them was Alfred.
I was like, huh, interesting.
Interesting.
That like, but like the descriptionof like what they would do to help
me really matched, but I had ahard time representation of it.
(34:38):
But I, it's true.
Like, I feel like for guides, You know,it is very much so what we've seen
and what we can feel comfortable withor what we can associate with, which
is why so many people have a lot, Ithink, of the same like image of certain
guides to a lot of people, indigenousor, you know, Native American guides.
Right.
(34:58):
And that's because that's encompassinga certain type of energy, right.
And that's the way they're able to.
It or understand it to be,yeah, it's very fascinating.
Yeah, I wonder if there's anyone out therethat just just taps into that because
that's not, I know there's people thatlike, like, I like to channel like angelic
messages and messages from that realm.
(35:18):
I don't always specifically havelike, uh, I have an idea of kind
of the energy I'm tapping into andkind of what that energy usually how
that's usually represented to me.
But usually when I walk people throughthat, I'm like, you know, just be
open to whatever comes through it.
It could be a color.
It could be a feeling like itdoesn't, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't have to be thislike specific figure that
represented that in human history.
(35:40):
But yeah, I wonder if there's any,if there are people that do just
kind of like work in the guide realm.
I don't know if that might be a new one.
I
haven't really seen any lately.
I know like when I was younger, there weresome like local people that were really
into that type of thing where they would,you know, even do like art depicting
what they saw and stuff like that.
So It kind of brings me back to, youknow, even when we talk about Akashic
(36:03):
records, because you, you have areader telling you these things, right?
But I think what makes it a goodreading or something that's valuable
is when you can have validations thatare currently happening in your own
life that you can reflect back on.
So then I wonder like what that wouldbe like to say, have somebody, you
know, make a picture of your guide.
Like, would there be things where like, Ohmy God, I've seen that color or I've seen
that face or there's certain descriptionsthat you can validate kind of things.
(36:27):
So yeah, I don't know.
I'd be interested in getting this doneone day, maybe just to try it out.
No, for sure.
And as much as I'm like, you know,I'm careful about sharing that with
other people, what I'm getting, I thinkthere's a way that you could do that.
That's like, I would be interestedin, you know, whatever that other
person is receiving from me, you know,how could that also be interpreted?
(36:49):
Like, what about that?
You know, where's that more informationwithin what they were seeing around
me or, or whatever, even if itwasn't exactly what it is, which
that's, that's what makes this world.
So, uh, magical is no matter how goodyou are, how long you're doing it, not
a single person can give you an exact.
for sure answer as to what all of itis in the end, you know, we're just
(37:11):
trying to make our best guesses andassumptions and trying to lead with
our heart to try and figure out theclosest thing that we can do to describe
what, what all of this is anyway.
So, you said, I believe thatyou pulled some cards for today.
Yeah, I have some beside me right now.
So I have family and then reconciliation.
(37:33):
So cancer season, right?
So it's like that energy's coming, right?
So it really feels like aboutconnecting this conversation, right?
Like where you're like, Oh, who am I?
Where are my roots?
What can I do to connect to myselfand others and really enjoy this life?
So just bringing that fun,playful energy back into it.
I think that's another thing I've beenreally trying to tap into You know, to
(37:58):
find that play, I was talking to a friendrecently and I was saying like, for
me specifically when I grew up, like Ihad a lot of responsibility and I think
there's a lot of us who've taken on thatrole in different ways and it's easy to
kind of get away from our creative side.
So it's really bringing thatenergy back and then playing and
being creative and having fun.
(38:18):
And then reconciliation isanother interesting one because
it could have different meanings.
Right.
So in one sense, I'm seeing thatreconciliation with somebody in your life.
kind of what we're talking about too,where you're like, oh my gosh, like this
person was supposed to be my soulmate,or maybe things didn't work out in the
timeline that you thought it would, andjust becoming, you know, just kind of
(38:39):
coming to an understanding of that'sokay, and reconciling with that, and
knowing that you're safe and peacefulin a place where you're supposed
to be, and everything is unfoldingthe way it should, and just having
trust in that unfolding, unfolding.
Because that can be the scarypart too, where you're like,
I don't know what I'm doing.
I feel like this is a message fortype A people, where you're like,
I need to micromanage my life.
(39:01):
What am I doing this month?
Where am I going right now?
He's putting up his hand right now.
Yeah, me.
I'm like, I think this reading's for me.
This always happens.
I think we're just readingfor each other all the time.
So
just trusting in that and like, youknow, knowing that it's going to be okay.
The image that I have, I'mgoing to show it to Payton here.
It's two women holding hands in water.
(39:23):
And they're kind of like stretchingthemselves a little bit and I think
that's what can happen when we're inthese situations we kind of get stretched
a little bit, even spiritually, likewhat I've been going through I'm being
stretched spiritually and trying tounderstand and reconcile with where you're
at right now in your spiritual developmentor your journey in life and where you
are kind of thing so it's a little bit ofthat coming in, then we have like a big
(39:46):
full moon in that picture as well and sojust Really taking time, like to ground
ourselves and to take care of ourselves.
Like you were saying, when youwent to that retreat, it wasn't
necessarily to really get into thathigher vibration of development.
It was like, okay, like I need to takecare of myself now, because I think a
lot of us are going through a lot ofstress and a lot of change in life.
(40:09):
And we forget to breathe inand take care of ourselves.
So there can be a lotof beauty in the human.
I think we have to recognize thatthat's part of the journey, why
we came here in the first place.
So.
Yeah, that's what I'm gettingthe cards and both of the
cards have the big full moon.
Well this is synchronisticbecause the cards I pulled today
(40:31):
were from the moonology deck.
And, well, yeah, and theykind of coincide with that.
So, to kind of piggyback.
off what you were saying.
thank you for that, because I'm like,I'm like digesting some of that.
I'm like, oh yeah, that's, you'redefinitely talking about me.
(40:52):
the first one here I have,is a reminder for people that
you do have luck on your side.
And that is exactly, it's, thissays new moon and Sagittarius,
luck is on your side.
And That is coming up today becauseI can feel I can also share from
experience that when things get hardand things get challenging, it sometimes
(41:17):
feels like your luck has run out.
It sometimes feels like thereis no support around you.
It sometimes feels like hopeless.
is a word that just came to me.
So, this is a reminder that evenif you are still navigating, a more
challenging moment with whatever'shappening in your life right
(41:38):
now, there is luck on your side.
So things are shifting so thatyou can get further along your
path and it is going to work out.
I pulled kind of two, I pulled cardsfrom two decks to kind of support that.
The one that support, it's um,I have here supporting that one.
For those of you, this is resonatingwith it's because you, even in those
(42:00):
darkest moments, you have that aspectin your mind to be able to see things
from a much grander perspective thatyou can see how in your life things
have worked out, you can see the biggerpicture of things, you can see that.
It's just to remind you to tap into thatpart, even if it's not always easy tap
(42:22):
into that way of thinking, because thatthat's what's going to help give you
those little glimmers of hope to get youthrough these last few stages of whatever
shifting and changing in your world.
The next card here.
it's about working through your fears.
and that tends to be, a lot of timeswhat can make things not always, but
(42:44):
when I'm feeling with what I'm goingwith what I'm reading in these cards,
it's like some of those fears arewhat's really fueling that hopelessness.
It's like, it's, it's those fearsthat the they're probably realistic
fears, but it doesn't mean thatthose are solid confirmations of
how things are going to happen.
And it doesn't mean that thatthat's the end all be all.
(43:05):
so you can give thanks to those fearsbecause you know, there's a reason
that's triggering that in you and that'sokay, but just don't let it consume
you to the point where it's taking overyour ability to see through it and your
ability to see how you're growing fromthis and your ability to, be able to
get through this, this muck that you'rein right now, um, and the card that I
have here supporting that, these fearsare tampering your energetic drive.
(43:33):
And.
That's not, that's not, that's an okaything to be in for a minute, but we need
to get, we need to get back to a placewhere that, that drive in us, that, that
the part that makes us feel creative andinspired, uh, that we're feeding that as
well, um, cause we don't, we, it's notgood to completely put that fire out and
just let those fears take that fire away.
(43:55):
and a lot of this, with this card.
A lot of this is about yourfeeling secure and like your home.
So again, very, veryappropriate for cancer season.
This is a lot about like your security,your financial security, your home
security, you're feeling safe at home.
and it feels like that's a lotof what's fueling this fear.
(44:18):
So.
The message at the end here, whichis good is as Shayla said, you
know, this card literally says, taketime to breathe out, just breathe.
It will pass, you know, acceptthe feelings that you're having,
but don't let them consume you.
As I was saying, and just takea minute to let things kind of
(44:38):
settle down so that you can get abetter view of what your path is.
So you can get a better graspon what the situation is.
What things you do needto really be conscious of.
Maybe some of those fearsaren't really as big as they
are making themselves out to be.
Maybe there's other things youneed to be paying attention
to that are more important.
(44:59):
Just take a moment to take a breath andjust reconnect with yourself so that
you can start to see things clearly.
The last card here that is supportingthat, is Archangel Michael.
And I love when he comes in becausethis card is all about how he.
He's very protective for us.
He's looking out for us.
He's going to help supportthat part of you that is that
(45:21):
lucky sense in your nature.
That, that stroke of luck,that, um, that good fortune.
He also helps us move through thingsthat, that we need to grow out of.
See, I was about to use some spirituallingo, but I, I navigated around it and.
A lot of probably what's making usuncomfortable is that we need to move.
(45:45):
We need to shift.
We need to change our direction.
We need to get into a new space.
We need to move away from certain people.
We need to get out of certain situations.
And that causes, thatcan be very scary to do.
And he's just helping us move throughthis so that we can then be where we
want to be and we can be in a betterplace and then move into the next
(46:05):
phase of the next lessons that we have.
Cause life is all about continual lessons,continual growth, continual expansion.
but you know, he is, he'san amazing archangel.
He is so helpful and so powerful whenit comes to personal growth, especially
for those of us in the spiritual world.
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He is the first one thatusually shows up for us.
And he's usually the first one thatmakes himself known that he's there.
So I feel very much, there's alot of blue energy too, which
that's very much Michael.
Um, that's coming up in my spread as well.
So I know it resonates with me.
I hope it resonates with some of you.
Um, We're all kind of going through it inone way or another right now or have been.
(46:49):
And, there is beauty in the darkness andthere's a lot that we can gain from that,
to help make the other side even brighter.
So
that's beautiful.
I love all of that.
So thank you for that.
Yeah, I, that will resonatewith a lot of people for sure.
I think another word that I justkept hearing too, while you're
talking about that is closure.
(47:10):
And I think that's scary for people.
It's like, Oh, closure,like the end of something.
But I think that's for a lot of people.
It's not a bad thing.
It's a good thing.
You're just, there's thingsthat need to be done.
And now you can move forward to thenext thing and just travel through your
life on a more optimistic, you know,Upwork, sphere, if that makes sense, so.
(47:32):
Especially if what it is you're movingthrough or what it is you're needing
closure from is connected to, like whatI was saying, um, your, your security.
Yeah.
Or something that you have security in.
Maybe that isn't your home.
Maybe that isn't a job.
Maybe it's just a way of thinking.
Maybe it's, I mean, it could be so manythings that we feel secure in because
we're comfortable and that's all we know.
(47:53):
Right.
And it is really hard to change sometimesbecause the unknown is very scary.
And that's, that's the point of thisis don't let that fear of, you know,
what could happen, prevent you frommoving past, these things and getting,
getting the closure so that you thenhave more room to be more expansive
(48:14):
and have more joy and have more.
gratitude in your life,on the other side of it.
So,
and like a lot of times we have attachmentto certain things that we've had in
our lives for so long too, or, oh, I'vebeen working on that for so long, or
I've had that, you know, person thing,whatever situation in my life for so
long, it can feel scary to let go of that.
(48:36):
But even when you're talking about that,it's making me think of like, Certain
belief systems I've had or things likethat where it's like, oh, whoa, like
that's a closing door on something thatI never thought I would want to leave
behind or, you know, but we were goingthrough different things and evolving and
seeing things from different perspectives.
And it's not a bad thing.
You know, it's We're openingourselves up different things.
(48:56):
So, yeah, I loved all that you said, I'mgoing to have to look that again later.
I know.
I'm like, I kind of can't wait to editthis episode so I can listen to your,
listen to your reading again, becauseit's very relevant for me at the moment.
So, yeah.
So yeah, well, this has been great.
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