August 10, 2025 • 33 mins
In this episode of Souly, Payton and Shayla share personal experiences with Mother Mary’s energy, including a powerful reading Payton gave where she came through and a story of Shayla talking to her when she was young. They discuss her as a universal symbol of divine feminine compassion that transcends cultural and religious boundaries.
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Hello everybody.
welcome to the show.
Today we're gonna be talking about anenergy, I don't know what you'd call it.
I guess just archetypein some ways too, right?
Like kind of this presence thata lot of people have experienced.
We're gonna be talking about MotherMary, Payton actually reached out
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to me 'cause he had an experience.
That I'm excited to hear about with MotherMary, and I've also had my own things
throughout life with her energy as well.
So we're just gonnakind of talk about that.
And also some things that I've foundout about her recently that I think is
interesting because she is someone whoshows up in so many different cultures and
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so many different ways, and it's not just.
The Catholic religion, likeI grew up Catholic and that's
how I kind of got to know her.
But she's more expansive than that.
So yeah.
So I'm gonna get let Payton sharehis story 'cause I'm very interested
to hear what happened with that.
Yeah, this is exciting.
as I've talked about in here, I lovethe world of divine beings as I kind
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of categorize all of the beings that,you know, people pray to and have
connected with, and the ways that they'vedescribed their experience of the divine.
and as you said, like.
she's kind of an archetype in everyculture there has been some sort of symbol
that is very similar to what we in moderntime relate to, especially those who've ex
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been exposed to Catholicism as Mother Maryand kind of the energy that's around her.
kind of that it's a littlebit of that divine feminine.
kind of energy.
It's, you know, definitely thatmother, the nurturer, the caregiver,
uh, for me, a lot of her energy isreally just about pure compassion.
that to me feels veryaligned with who she is.
Also, I know, as I've shared, I've donetraining with Kyle Gray, and I know
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he kinda references her as like thequeen of angels, you know, the, the,
the archangel of the angels is kindof the energy that he gives to her.
So everyone has their own, youknow, kind of experience with her.
And I will say that a lot of myspiritual journey being that I also
in my human life, being a gay man, alot of things connected with certain
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religions, especially the ones I'vebeen exposed to, you know, those two
worlds don't necessarily coincide.
So I, it took me a while to becomfortable with the words of angels and
things like that, that are associatedwith those, Abrahamic religions.
not that there's other religions inthe world that don't also, have a weird
relationship with people that are gay,but, just what my experience has been.
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So it, it's taken me a while tokind of open up my energy to that.
And especially once I start developingin the spiritual space, there's a lot
about angels and I do like workingwith that energy and I have, done a
lot of work with that energy and I likeconnecting with it, but I had to get
outta my mind about it a little bitand kind of look at the bigger picture
of what it was and, and how I can workwith that energy and what it really is.
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it is my belief that as we'vetalked on this show before, they.
Spirit shows itself to us in theway that we best understand, so we
can understand what we're seeing.
So if it is, an angel, it's becausewe will know what an angel is and
we'll be able to understand whatthey're trying to, convey to us.
I think once you brought up about,um, the story about the little boy
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who had an experience with Jesus,and Jesus looked very much like he
was from Western culture, and so thatthe boy knew that that's who it was.
But historically, as we all know,Jesus would not have, you know,
he would've looked more like thepeople from the region of the
world in the time that, he lived.
So, which isn't always howhe's portrayed in paintings.
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So anyway, all that being said.
So I gave this really beautifulreading and I spoke with the person
I read for and she, hello Jaimie.
She, was okay with me toshare her name and okay for me
to, share about her reading.
So I did get permission to do that.
and Mary came in and it was just.
It was a neat experience to have and itwas one of those readings where just some
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really cool things happened and came up.
and I know those are just funstories to hear and share.
So here we go.
So, I am giving a reading to Jaimie andJaimie also, has spent a lot of her life.
She does a lot of spiritual work.
She channels, she, shedoes some mediumship.
She also does.
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fascial, it is not massage, butyour fascia, which is in your
body, holds a lot of energy.
So if you've had any traumas or anythingthat can get stored in the fascia.
And so she does fascia work.
and she also does, frequencywork and how she's been trained.
She's like one of two peoplethat has done it in this way.
So she's just, she'sfascinating to get to know.
So I was very, so she'sbeen doing some work for me.
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I, her services were amazing.
and then in return Idid a reading for her.
and it was really fun 'cause it's alwaysreally fun to connect with other spiritual
people that are already in that space.
'cause it can go intoa whole nother level.
Which it did.
So we're reading and, it's going throughher career and all of these things.
Well, we get to this point where I,I didn't know who it was, I wasn't
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getting clues on that, but I was beingshown that at a very young age, she had
an experience with something divine.
And so I said that to her andshe said right away, she's
like, yes, it was, it was Mary.
So as soon as she said it.
I, it was the most insane feeling becausethen I was being validated that, that
is who was giving me this information.
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My head started buzzing.
I felt like my, my spiritwas being lifted out of.
My body.
Like that's how much the vibrationwas around me, just to give me
confirmation that that's who it was.
So for that in itself, period, end ofstory was like enough to like make my day.
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And like that was enough ofa blessing just in itself,
just to be able to have that.
but it was to a point thatI, I even had to ask her.
I was like, I need you.
Okay, got it.
Thank you.
Now, now tune it down a little bit.
'cause it was just, it was very powerful.
So one part of what was happeningwas I was sharing with her,
experiences that Mary was showingme that they have had together.
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The other thing that was alsohappening during this, this reading
was Mary was also showing me kindof, and I'm gonna try to explain
it the best I can, and, but it was.
It was shown to me the, the messagecoming through, the whole reading was
Mary was trying to get through that.
Like, Jaimie works a lot in thatenergy of compassion and works a lot
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with Mary's energy and that theirenergetic vibration actually comes from
a similar like vein or similar source.
And so I was being shown that like,it was weird 'cause it was being
shown to me like I was in outer space.
And all of these waves of energywere coming out of source.
And they all were, you know, there's thedivine masculine, there's, there's this
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one, this one, this one, and whatever thedivine energy that Mary Mary's soul as
she was incarnated here on earth, whateverthat came from, which is that kind of
divine feminine, you know, that Jaimiealso kind of came from that similar.
vibration source and I was al She alsoshowed me that like, um, figures like
Isis from Egypt would've also comefrom that same type of energy source.
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I think it was just a way,whether that's exactly how it is
or not, I don't think matters.
I think she was just showing mea way to make my mind kind of
understand maybe how these different.
Beings and different things and howus, ourselves as also being spiritual
beings come from these differenttypes of vibration that, that are
all really just pieces of source.
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And I know that's probably, someof you probably understand it
and some of you're probably like,wow, that's really out there, but.
So that whole thing was happening inthe background while I'm also showing
or explaining all these things to her.
So I said to her, I said,okay, I see that when you were
little, uh, someone visited you.
She said, yes, it was Mary.
I said, okay, very good.
I said, she's showing me somethingabout, and I didn't know this.
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I assumed she was Italian.
Just you could kind of tellshe looked a little bit Italian
and I said, I'm assuming you'reItalian, possibly Catholic.
if that's the case.
But she's showing me like a. Statueof her and I, there's something
really important about this statue.
obviously if that is your background,there's a chance you grew up
with some type of, maybe it wasin your front yard or something.
I mean, that's not a hugestretch to kind of assume.
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she goes, no.
She goes, actually.
so the house that we lived in, and I, someof this might, might have a little bit
wrong 'cause this was a, this was a monthago that I did the reading, but she goes,
the house we lived in, when we moved in,we found a statue of Mary in the attic.
And it's, it, it was up thereand it was sitting on the
floor right above my bedroom.
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Oh wow, that's so cool.
She goes and,
and they just had some, you know,they had some, not superstition,
but they had some beliefs around it.
Jaimie liked that it stayed there andapparently then whenever they moved
that statue stayed exactly where it was.
They didn't move it.
So, so there was that, whichwas, that made me feel good.
'cause I'm like, okay, that makesa lot more sense why that would
come up than just you had a statue.
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and then she showed me, I think she didshow me something about a necklace, which
Jaimie then pulled out from her shirt.
She was wearing a Marynecklace, but the, the.
The piece that was really kind of mindblowing is I said, okay, she's showing me
something happened to you in high school.
It was like either high schoolor junior high or something.
I said there was a, there wasanother student or like another girl
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or something that you helped out.
she's showing me this story.
I said, does that make any sense to you?
Like something you did for this girl?
And she goes, no, I, that'snot, that's not landing.
And whatever.
I said, no worries.
I said, but I said, what's comingthrough with all of these things?
And there was a couple others.
I said, what's coming through with allthese things is I, she's just bringing up
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the fact that she's been around you andthat, that that vibration of compassion,
it's part of you and how you work.
So whatever you are going throughright now, I'm assuming that since
that's coming up in the reading, thatyou need to just lean into compassion
or maybe lean into that and that willhelp guide you, da, da, da da, da.
So the reading ended.
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She messaged me later that night.
She goes, I cannot believe I didn'tthink of this when you said that.
She goes, when I was in highschool, there was a girl that
got, transferred to our school.
And she, she's from the East coast.
she goes, A girl got transferred tothe school and for whatever reason
she wasn't making a lot of friends.
She goes, so I went up and befriendedher, and I, you know, just showed
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her some kindness and whatever.
She goes, years later, this was inhigh school, so now she's an adult.
So I don't know how many yearsit was, but, many years later.
so Jaimie and her familyjust moved to, to.
Nashville where I'm at, I think I,it may be five or six years ago.
I might have that date wrong, butthey recently have moved here from
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where they're from when they moved.
The person that bought their house whenthey got the offer for the house, the
realtor was given a letter by the buyersaying, as soon as I saw the name of the
homeowner, I knew this had to be my home.
This is.
The friend, the girl from highschool, she goes, you have no idea
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how much that moment of kindnessand compassion changed my life.
That I knew that when I sawyour name on this house, that
this needed to be my home later.
And I was like, first, I was like,how did you not remember that?
But I was reading for you.
But it was also just like, wow.
Like that's insane.
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Right?
Wow.
That's synchronicity is holy crap.
Like that's.
It's
so much like totally wild.
So it was just, you know, and thenagain it just validated the route that
I was feeling and taking in the readingthat it was about compassion, you know?
Yeah.
Because she showed just a littlebit of compassion to some another
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soul, and it changed that person'slife and they didn't even know
that for until years later, like.
You just, it's just a reminder of youdon't know what little bit of kindness,
what little bit of love, what little bitof empathy that you give to someone else
can do for them and can change for them.
And I think now more thanever, that is so needed.
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And I think that's why, of course,right before then and since then,
all I see is stuff about Mary.
Now she's popping up, you know, um, KyleGray's been talking about her a lot,
so, and I'm still on his mailing list.
So it's a lot about Mother Mary,other spiritual people I follow.
I keep seeing Mary pop up.
and that's good because I think rightnow in our world, we need her energy.
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However she wants to show up forus or appear in this world, like we
need that energy now more than ever.
So that was my fun Mary story.
I just, I know that stuff is.
It is just, it's so magical.
I know people love to hear about thatstuff and I thank you Jaimie again for
letting me share that 'cause, I know justhearing those stories can also be very
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powerful and, life changing for peopleas well, just to help kind of repark
faith and, and just know that, whateveryou wanna call it, whatever it looks.
Life, whatever name we wanna give it,however we wanna describe how they look.
There's something there supporting us.
There's something there helping us.
And especially in times that arehard, like now, like it's okay to
lean into that and, and ask, ask to,you know, ask to be shown something.
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Ask to feel their presence, askto see a sign like they're there.
Yeah.
That's such a cool story.
I just love.
that.
And it's so funny too, 'cause likein readings, just how, like you
will forget certain things thathave happened to you until later.
But sometimes I think that'seven better because it's like, it
kind of hits a little bit, like alittle stronger and then it kind
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of connects the dots to everything.
So yeah, totally to her for Jaimieletting us, um, share that on our podcast.
That's so cool.
I love that.
we should share her information too, just'cause her work sounds very interesting.
We will.
Yes.
if you are in the Nashville area, Ihighly recommend getting a session with
her because it's been, one thing thatwas really cool is she talks about,
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she does a really, intense, uh, takein form and ask a lot of questions
about history and all these things.
One thing that was reallyinteresting that she asked was,
what do you know about your birth?
And thankfully I, I did have someinformation about that that pertained.
And she goes, you know, the first traumathat we experience as humans is birth.
And sometimes we don't realize how thatgets, even the energy just from our
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birth, if there was any kind of chaosaround that can get stuck in our fascia
and then gets stuck in our energy.
Yeah.
And so that was really fascinating.
And the stuff that she's workedon, me, I mean, I notice right away
I, I stand up taller afterwards.
I just, from the stress of moving andmoving to a new city and all of that,
even though it's all good and lovely,like I just was feeling heaviness in
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my or field and like, you know, I, Ifelt like doing readings and stuff.
I had to kind of work.
It was a little harder tokind of navigate through that.
I had to push a little harder'cause I just could feel it.
She like cleared that out.
Like I, yeah, like I just, I was evenhaving some physical, stress related
pains that she gave some relief to.
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So we, I will put herinformation in our show notes.
I highly recommend justfollowing her anyway.
cause she's, she's absolutely phenomenal.
So yeah, we will share that.
Yeah.
Awesome.
I can't wait to checkher up too, so I love it.
That's very interesting with likethe, the fascia, because even like
with the stuff I'm doing, I'm like,Hey, I'm realizing that there is
so much stored in the body, right?
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It's can be skin deep, it's spiritual.
It's like all thesethings that mix together.
So yeah.
Can wait to check out her,her whole thing, what she does
'cause that, and even with
Yeah, that's a great, that's a greatpoint with like what you're, you know,
you're going to school for and you'redoing, like she did the work and
then, and most of it, you know, is.
You're just silent.
You know, you don't have tobe, you know, you can talk.
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But she also channels the whole time.
And she was getting like, and thestuff that was coming through for
her, for me was like, whoa, youknow, like right on the money.
So it's, I mean, just for you, like, asyou kind of figure out how you wanna,
uh, take what you're learning and thenmeld that with your spiritual work,
there's definitely a pathway for it.
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Yeah, no, it's, it's so interestingtoo, 'cause like with what
I'm doing and finding that.
Like when I'm massaging, and especiallyif I'm like someone's open to it, then I
can kind of go into that more with them.
since I'm in school right now, it'slike, it's not gonna be everybody that
I get, but the people that are open toit have been really receptive to it.
But it's just interesting workingon the body because you'll go into
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certain areas and I'll start seeingcertain images and stories or
memories or things that have happened.
To that person.
And yeah, it's like we're just, wework our bodies record these, these
moments and you know, absolutely.
Some of that can be good and someof that can really have an effect on
our lives and like how we're tryingto move forward or, you know, right.
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And things like that.
Right.
So.
It's just, it's really cool.
So
yeah, like one thing I noticed aboutmyself that I, I can guarantee everyone
out there listening can relate is likeI didn't realize, just I've had a lot of
life changes happen over the past manyyears at this point, but I didn't realize
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how much my energy and how much I kind ofwas almost holding my breath or clenching
my teeth all the time just because I wasjust prepared for the next shoe to drop.
And I think.
Even now in the world that we live inwith all the chaos, a lot of us might
just be in that space anyway because itjust seems like every day there's 18 more
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crazy things that are about to happen andeverything's falling apart it feels like.
So it was just to kindof pay attention to that.
It doesn't mean you can.
It doesn't mean you can't do thator whatever, but to be aware of it.
Then maybe realize like, okay,do I need to be in a defense or
in a survival energy right now?
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Is that, is that affecting other thingsin my world that I'm not aware of?
Is that the best way for me to.
Be in this moment, is there a wayfor me to feel safe and relax and
take a breath and clench my jaw?
And you know, like, maybejust re-look at that.
So that, that to me was, um, just likeyou were saying things that get stored
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and the way that our body just naturallyracks to whatever our experience is.
that for me was just, that was superbeneficial to have a little more awareness
about, about how that affects me.
Yeah, no, for sure.
Very fascinating.
I I love all that.
Okay, so I'm gonna share a littlebit too, like of what I've had
experiences with Mary Energy.
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when you were telling the storyof Jaimie too, just like even her
childhood and stuff, I was like,yeah, that's very interesting.
So I personally, when I was younger,I think it was probably, It's kind
of nice in a way, having moved somany times in my life because I can
almost like time block like, oh yeah.
Of my life.
It was in, it's like not great in someother ways too, but so when I was around,
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I probably was right, like six or seven.
I remember.
Starting to just like see Mary.
And it was interesting 'causeit was more like visual.
It kind of felt likealmost like a hologram.
And so I remember I would just see thisimage of her and I would talk to her and
I just always felt very connected to her.
Very like, warm energy.
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like when I was growingup, I had a lot of.
Different family dynamics thatkind of made my life stressful.
So from a very young age, I had toreally step into like a mothering role.
and so I, that's partially why I feelalso that I had that strong connection
with her because I personally neededto be mothered and my mom was there
too and stuff, but It was more so thatwith my dad that there was issues.
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So like right.
You know, when you're, especially whenyou're the oldest child, oftentimes
in these situations, like you endup being the person that kind of
carries the other half of everything.
And so that's definitelywhat happened to me.
but with her energy, I just rememberfeeling just so like comforted
and having someone to talk to.
and then one day my Guido, which is mygrandfather who passed away recently,
he saw me just talking to someoneand he said, who are you talking to?
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And I said, oh, talking to Mother Mary.
And he was just like, what?
Because he is also Catholic, right?
So to him that was like,what the heck kind of thing.
And so that always stuck with himto that memory of me talking to her.
But.
from a young age, I just feltthis strong connection to her.
I, of course, also grew up inmore of a Catholic atmosphere.
Kind of mentioned this before.
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My mom was a little bit more of theblack sheep of the family in terms of.
How she saw things spiritually.
She was a little bit moreopen to things for sure.
So I kind of got a mix of thoseworlds together growing up.
But of course in like my grandparents'house, especially even in our
house, there's like pictures ofMary and Jesus everywhere and
angels and things like that.
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And so there was always kindof that imagery that went
along with everything as well.
and even to this day, like.
I have this picture of MotherMary that was in my Guido's
room that I have now in my room.
Mm-hmm.
And so I just like her energy.
I just love keeping it closeto me because it was definitely
something that felt comforting.
Even as I grew up and into my teens.
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I always felt like that was someone Icould kind of like tap into energetically,
even if I wasn't feeling spiritualand I never really was religious.
I actually kind of felt apush away from it just because
of the structure of things.
And seeing how things work.
In fact, actually, I don't know,I've told this story before, but
when I was younger and I would haveto go to Catholic church, I used to
just sit and judge people's shoes.
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So as they would walk to go get communion,I'd be like, beautiful, ugly, stupid.
Ew.
Very nice.
I like it.
Like I just like would have thesecommentaries of judging people's shoes
because I just, I couldn't, I couldnever like connect to being there.
You know what I mean?
Right.
Which I find hilarious becauseit's like, so like a judging
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mentality to be a church.
Right.
So like with Mother Mary Energytoo, I just think like where you
were saying there's so much goingon right now in the world and I feel
like she's an energy that comes.
To people at these like really difficulttimes, like when you think even like
the story of what she went through interms of having to watch her son, die
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in that way and be ridiculed to things.
Like that's the kind of thing that.
It's so hard to go through.
I can't even imagine, and I think somany people, like people are going
through loss or they've lost a child.
She's often the first energy to kindof come in there and be with you.
I see her a lot too.
Just even hearing stories and justfeeling things too with people that
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I've experienced, she comes towardsthe end of life as well, so she's
there kind of as a, as a guide to kindof help people move through this life
into the next stage of their, theirenergy and their soul and all that.
And yeah, there's just somuch beauty in her energy and.
Oftentimes it's very much so taking careof children and mothering the mother,
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that kind of energy, and being thereif you haven't really experienced that
mothering energy or maybe you havedisconnection with your own mother or
certain female energies in your life.
which I think oftentimes too, likejust in general for women, especially
when they have female relationships,they're not always the most healthiest.
We've kind of come to This wholething in the world sometimes too are
like women don't support each other.
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Right?
It's very competitive.
And so I feel like she can alsobe someone to step in and kind of
fulfill that for a lot of people too.
And that can be really foranybody, but that's just kind
of an example and they're just.
So many different references.
References of her in history too.
Like it's not just the Bible,like it's kind of in everything.
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Um, I know the Quran has like awhole chapter with her in it, but
her name is, I think it's likeMiriam or something like that.
So it's just interesting to seehow it, she can cross reference
and I feel like her presence is.
Very omnipresent.
Like she can be in so many differentplaces at once, which is like,
that's what spirit is, right?
right.
There are just so manystrong like instances of it.
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Like just encourage everybodyif you're interested.
Like just even searching likethe stories of her, I think it's
called, I think they called likethe Marion or Miriam or something.
stories where there's just different.
And things that have been, some of'em have been like really deeply
investigated and are like, actuallytaken seriously by the Catholic church.
Take that for what you will, but, whichI think is interesting though, like
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there has to be so many like things thathave evidence that they will consider
to be, actually a thing that happened.
A lot of people.
Will smell like roses or liliesor a smell that they can't quite
distinguish, but it's supposed to bemore of like a sweet kind of smell
when they're kind of in her energy.
Or another one that I thought wasinteresting is baked breads, especially
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in European instances when theypeople kind of feel into her energy or
have seen her, a lot of like healingthings that have happened as well.
So I just think her energy is areally beautiful energy to tap into
If you're just feeling alone or You'rejust having a hard time with life,
when there's so much going on in theworld, so much sadness and desperation
and all these different things.
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Like she's someone who youcan really just call in.
and to me what I liked abouther was like, yes, she has like
context into certain religions.
But at the same time, she's been somuch everywhere in the world that
it's like it breaks those barriersand it's a very loving energy
that doesn't have judgment to it.
It's, it's just like, to me avery beautiful grounding energy.
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So
yeah, and I think that's what shewas trying to show me is that it's
not about the religion that man hasbuilt, it's about how spirit comes
into this life, how spirit affectsour life, how spirit inspires us
through these types of energies.
Right.
Because she was really leaningin on like, she's just.
Part of this type of energy that's reallypowerful and all the examples and things
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that you just said that really representher, you know, that, that, that feeling
of what the most idealistic, nurturingmother energy would be that we would need
that those are great things to call her infor, like that kind of support and stuff.
I did see her once.
No, I've, I remembered this now thatwe're, I don't know if the church ever
confirmed that this was one of the truesightings, but when I was, probably
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in junior high, we went, uh, took afamily trip down to Florida and, some
of you maybe remember this, maybe not.
she in, oh gosh, where was it?
Clearwater, Florida, she, there wasa bank that, it was a glass building
and an apparition of her had appearedand it looked like, I mean, it was a,
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it was probably a five story buildingand the entire thing was glass and
the whole thing was an image of her.
And, it looked like, an oil slickthat was on like iridescent, like it
looked like the oil slick that wouldbe on the ground, you know, like the
purples and the greens and the blues.
Yeah.
But it was just on the side ofthis bank, in this whatever.
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And there was like, in the parking lotthere was like candle vigils and Wow.
And all the things.
And so we did go see her.
So I did see that.
I don't know if the church everconfirmed that it was her, but.
I, as I've, as I've shared on here, andI know, you know, um, I've been working
on a card deck of divine beings andMary is one of the cards of mine and I,
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so I incorporated a little bit of thatiridescence to like what she's wearing.
And so if, if you ever seea now, you'll know why.
It's because I saw her in a,a bank in Clearwater, Florida.
Awesome.
I know those like sightings that are.
Interesting are like the ones that arelike in a sandwich or a toast or a latte,
like Jesus toast.
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That's
awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's good.
So yeah, this was, I thought this would bea fun thing to talk about because I know
just a lot of people connect with her anda lot of people are familiar with her.
And, I know there's a lot of peoplein the spiritual space like me,
whether it's because of the reasonsthat I have or for other reasons.
it's hard to sometimes feel opento connect to these things that we
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have so closely tied to religions.
so as you all know, Ijust moved to the south.
I am from the northern part of theUnited States, and not that things are
like wildly different, but there is.
Definitely a different, there's a lotmore religious trauma down here and the
religions that are down here, and it'snot that other ones don't, it's just,
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it's a little more apparent here that, um,sometimes it can be weaponized and it's
used in a very, you know, unhealthy way.
And so people that are growing throughthat are trying to heal from that.
For whatever that reason is.
They can have a hard time to like openup to these things that are still there.
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And even if, you know, they wereinterpreted one way by men and not
a great way, it doesn't mean thatlike the essence of that energy you
can't still connect with and the,and the love and the compassion.
That really is the true.
Essence of what Spirit is and what Godis and whatever you wanna call it, it is
just love and compassion and that's it.
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Everything else is just how you know.
We've tried to interpret it based uponthe things that have happened here.
You know, when they're putting thesebooks together and these ideas together
is how it should, how it should berun, and who should be controlled, but.
Yeah.
so I think it's just, I think it's agood, it's good to talk about these
things because I know a lot of peopleneed to hear that, and I, especially
when things feel so chaotic and, andlost, you know, just to know that
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it's, you know, it's not all hopeless.
Yeah, for sure.
And then even like I was sayingtoo, I think the thing that's
really interesting about her is likeseeing that different cultures like.
She's in Afro-Caribbean, like cultures,indigenous cultures, um, Hindu,
like, there's just, it's in so manydifferent spaces that I feel like
right when you're going through thosemoments of trying to heal through like
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that trauma and stuff, I feel like.
She's like a good space to be in.
Right?
I feel like it's more of a safe space,unconditional love kind of thing.
There's no condition attached to herenergy, which I think is so beautiful.
Right?
Yeah, definitely.
Like look into if you'refeeling like that too.
And like even this conversation, Ithink for some people could be a little
bit almost triggering in a way becauseit's like you do have these sometimes
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context of what you remember in yourlife, or you know, certain religions or
judgements that were put onto you, right.
From those associated religions, so,
right, because even the, historically,and obviously scholars and archeologists
and all of that, they just have theirbest opinion based upon the science
and the work that they've done.
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So I'm just sharing what I've, what I'veheard, it doesn't, you know, if this
doesn't resonate with you, it doesn't.
But, when.
In history when, when Christianity wasbecoming more of the main religion that
was going to be a part of the RomanEmpire, they had to, to get, make it
easy for everyone to be a part of it.
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They had to take some piecesfrom other religions that were
big at the time and incorporatethem into parts of Christianity.
That's why there's the argument aboutJesus' birthday, because that date and
some things associated with that was.
Connected to a Persian God that wasreally popular in Rome during that time.
Another god that was very popular in Romeduring that time was Isis from Egypt.
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And the imagery of her holding thebaby, that was really big so that
that part needed to get passed downbecause that's just part of what these
things are that we're connecting with.
And Mary represented the energy of that.
Right?
So that's like.
Even though it was borrowed andmaybe made to fit into this new
religion that came into place,that is now what we're living in.
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It doesn't mean that it thatone's wrong or one's right.
It's just, it's, it's back to kind ofwhat I was being shown was it's about
the energy of that part of source.
And that has been represented throughmany different cultures, through many
different ways, through many differentnames, through many different imagery.
but you can still connect to that.
So even if.
You know, Mary herself and thestory connected with that you don't
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connect with, there are other waysthat you can still connect to that,
that that energy of compassionand that and that motherly energy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, thank you for listening everybody.
If you have any Mother Marystories, definitely let us know
because I think a lot of people do.
She's everywhere.
So,
yes.
Alright, everyone take care and wewill catch you on the next episode.
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Welcome to the Souly Podcast.
Intuitive mediums Payton and Shaylainvite you to join us in our conversation
exploring the world of spirituality.
In a heart centered way, weexplore many topics and share our
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Open hearts, open minds, and a curiousnature is all you need to listen in.
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make the world a better place.
This is Souly.
Hello everybody.
welcome to the show.
Today we're gonna be talking about anenergy, I don't know what you'd call it.
I guess just archetypein some ways too, right?
Like kind of this presence thata lot of people have experienced.
We're gonna be talking about MotherMary, Payton actually reached out
(00:49):
to me 'cause he had an experience.
That I'm excited to hear about with MotherMary, and I've also had my own things
throughout life with her energy as well.
So we're just gonnakind of talk about that.
And also some things that I've foundout about her recently that I think is
interesting because she is someone whoshows up in so many different cultures and
(01:10):
so many different ways, and it's not just.
The Catholic religion, likeI grew up Catholic and that's
how I kind of got to know her.
But she's more expansive than that.
So yeah.
So I'm gonna get let Payton sharehis story 'cause I'm very interested
to hear what happened with that.
Yeah, this is exciting.
as I've talked about in here, I lovethe world of divine beings as I kind
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of categorize all of the beings that,you know, people pray to and have
connected with, and the ways that they'vedescribed their experience of the divine.
and as you said, like.
she's kind of an archetype in everyculture there has been some sort of symbol
that is very similar to what we in moderntime relate to, especially those who've ex
(01:55):
been exposed to Catholicism as Mother Maryand kind of the energy that's around her.
kind of that it's a littlebit of that divine feminine.
kind of energy.
It's, you know, definitely thatmother, the nurturer, the caregiver,
uh, for me, a lot of her energy isreally just about pure compassion.
that to me feels veryaligned with who she is.
Also, I know, as I've shared, I've donetraining with Kyle Gray, and I know
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he kinda references her as like thequeen of angels, you know, the, the,
the archangel of the angels is kindof the energy that he gives to her.
So everyone has their own, youknow, kind of experience with her.
And I will say that a lot of myspiritual journey being that I also
in my human life, being a gay man, alot of things connected with certain
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religions, especially the ones I'vebeen exposed to, you know, those two
worlds don't necessarily coincide.
So I, it took me a while to becomfortable with the words of angels and
things like that, that are associatedwith those, Abrahamic religions.
not that there's other religions inthe world that don't also, have a weird
relationship with people that are gay,but, just what my experience has been.
(03:05):
So it, it's taken me a while tokind of open up my energy to that.
And especially once I start developingin the spiritual space, there's a lot
about angels and I do like workingwith that energy and I have, done a
lot of work with that energy and I likeconnecting with it, but I had to get
outta my mind about it a little bitand kind of look at the bigger picture
of what it was and, and how I can workwith that energy and what it really is.
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it is my belief that as we'vetalked on this show before, they.
Spirit shows itself to us in theway that we best understand, so we
can understand what we're seeing.
So if it is, an angel, it's becausewe will know what an angel is and
we'll be able to understand whatthey're trying to, convey to us.
I think once you brought up about,um, the story about the little boy
(03:47):
who had an experience with Jesus,and Jesus looked very much like he
was from Western culture, and so thatthe boy knew that that's who it was.
But historically, as we all know,Jesus would not have, you know,
he would've looked more like thepeople from the region of the
world in the time that, he lived.
So, which isn't always howhe's portrayed in paintings.
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So anyway, all that being said.
So I gave this really beautifulreading and I spoke with the person
I read for and she, hello Jaimie.
She, was okay with me toshare her name and okay for me
to, share about her reading.
So I did get permission to do that.
and Mary came in and it was just.
It was a neat experience to have and itwas one of those readings where just some
(04:31):
really cool things happened and came up.
and I know those are just funstories to hear and share.
So here we go.
So, I am giving a reading to Jaimie andJaimie also, has spent a lot of her life.
She does a lot of spiritual work.
She channels, she, shedoes some mediumship.
She also does.
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fascial, it is not massage, butyour fascia, which is in your
body, holds a lot of energy.
So if you've had any traumas or anythingthat can get stored in the fascia.
And so she does fascia work.
and she also does, frequencywork and how she's been trained.
She's like one of two peoplethat has done it in this way.
So she's just, she'sfascinating to get to know.
So I was very, so she'sbeen doing some work for me.
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I, her services were amazing.
and then in return Idid a reading for her.
and it was really fun 'cause it's alwaysreally fun to connect with other spiritual
people that are already in that space.
'cause it can go intoa whole nother level.
Which it did.
So we're reading and, it's going throughher career and all of these things.
Well, we get to this point where I,I didn't know who it was, I wasn't
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getting clues on that, but I was beingshown that at a very young age, she had
an experience with something divine.
And so I said that to her andshe said right away, she's
like, yes, it was, it was Mary.
So as soon as she said it.
I, it was the most insane feeling becausethen I was being validated that, that
is who was giving me this information.
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My head started buzzing.
I felt like my, my spiritwas being lifted out of.
My body.
Like that's how much the vibrationwas around me, just to give me
confirmation that that's who it was.
So for that in itself, period, end ofstory was like enough to like make my day.
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And like that was enough ofa blessing just in itself,
just to be able to have that.
but it was to a point thatI, I even had to ask her.
I was like, I need you.
Okay, got it.
Thank you.
Now, now tune it down a little bit.
'cause it was just, it was very powerful.
So one part of what was happeningwas I was sharing with her,
experiences that Mary was showingme that they have had together.
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The other thing that was alsohappening during this, this reading
was Mary was also showing me kindof, and I'm gonna try to explain
it the best I can, and, but it was.
It was shown to me the, the messagecoming through, the whole reading was
Mary was trying to get through that.
Like, Jaimie works a lot in thatenergy of compassion and works a lot
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with Mary's energy and that theirenergetic vibration actually comes from
a similar like vein or similar source.
And so I was being shown that like,it was weird 'cause it was being
shown to me like I was in outer space.
And all of these waves of energywere coming out of source.
And they all were, you know, there's thedivine masculine, there's, there's this
(07:26):
one, this one, this one, and whatever thedivine energy that Mary Mary's soul as
she was incarnated here on earth, whateverthat came from, which is that kind of
divine feminine, you know, that Jaimiealso kind of came from that similar.
vibration source and I was al She alsoshowed me that like, um, figures like
Isis from Egypt would've also comefrom that same type of energy source.
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I think it was just a way,whether that's exactly how it is
or not, I don't think matters.
I think she was just showing mea way to make my mind kind of
understand maybe how these different.
Beings and different things and howus, ourselves as also being spiritual
beings come from these differenttypes of vibration that, that are
all really just pieces of source.
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And I know that's probably, someof you probably understand it
and some of you're probably like,wow, that's really out there, but.
So that whole thing was happening inthe background while I'm also showing
or explaining all these things to her.
So I said to her, I said,okay, I see that when you were
little, uh, someone visited you.
She said, yes, it was Mary.
I said, okay, very good.
I said, she's showing me somethingabout, and I didn't know this.
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I assumed she was Italian.
Just you could kind of tellshe looked a little bit Italian
and I said, I'm assuming you'reItalian, possibly Catholic.
if that's the case.
But she's showing me like a. Statueof her and I, there's something
really important about this statue.
obviously if that is your background,there's a chance you grew up
with some type of, maybe it wasin your front yard or something.
I mean, that's not a hugestretch to kind of assume.
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she goes, no.
She goes, actually.
so the house that we lived in, and I, someof this might, might have a little bit
wrong 'cause this was a, this was a monthago that I did the reading, but she goes,
the house we lived in, when we moved in,we found a statue of Mary in the attic.
And it's, it, it was up thereand it was sitting on the
floor right above my bedroom.
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Oh wow, that's so cool.
She goes and,
and they just had some, you know,they had some, not superstition,
but they had some beliefs around it.
Jaimie liked that it stayed there andapparently then whenever they moved
that statue stayed exactly where it was.
They didn't move it.
So, so there was that, whichwas, that made me feel good.
'cause I'm like, okay, that makesa lot more sense why that would
come up than just you had a statue.
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and then she showed me, I think she didshow me something about a necklace, which
Jaimie then pulled out from her shirt.
She was wearing a Marynecklace, but the, the.
The piece that was really kind of mindblowing is I said, okay, she's showing me
something happened to you in high school.
It was like either high schoolor junior high or something.
I said there was a, there wasanother student or like another girl
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or something that you helped out.
she's showing me this story.
I said, does that make any sense to you?
Like something you did for this girl?
And she goes, no, I, that'snot, that's not landing.
And whatever.
I said, no worries.
I said, but I said, what's comingthrough with all of these things?
And there was a couple others.
I said, what's coming through with allthese things is I, she's just bringing up
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the fact that she's been around you andthat, that that vibration of compassion,
it's part of you and how you work.
So whatever you are going throughright now, I'm assuming that since
that's coming up in the reading, thatyou need to just lean into compassion
or maybe lean into that and that willhelp guide you, da, da, da da, da.
So the reading ended.
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She messaged me later that night.
She goes, I cannot believe I didn'tthink of this when you said that.
She goes, when I was in highschool, there was a girl that
got, transferred to our school.
And she, she's from the East coast.
she goes, A girl got transferred tothe school and for whatever reason
she wasn't making a lot of friends.
She goes, so I went up and befriendedher, and I, you know, just showed
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her some kindness and whatever.
She goes, years later, this was inhigh school, so now she's an adult.
So I don't know how many yearsit was, but, many years later.
so Jaimie and her familyjust moved to, to.
Nashville where I'm at, I think I,it may be five or six years ago.
I might have that date wrong, butthey recently have moved here from
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where they're from when they moved.
The person that bought their house whenthey got the offer for the house, the
realtor was given a letter by the buyersaying, as soon as I saw the name of the
homeowner, I knew this had to be my home.
This is.
The friend, the girl from highschool, she goes, you have no idea
(11:43):
how much that moment of kindnessand compassion changed my life.
That I knew that when I sawyour name on this house, that
this needed to be my home later.
And I was like, first, I was like,how did you not remember that?
But I was reading for you.
But it was also just like, wow.
Like that's insane.
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Right?
Wow.
That's synchronicity is holy crap.
Like that's.
It's
so much like totally wild.
So it was just, you know, and thenagain it just validated the route that
I was feeling and taking in the readingthat it was about compassion, you know?
Yeah.
Because she showed just a littlebit of compassion to some another
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soul, and it changed that person'slife and they didn't even know
that for until years later, like.
You just, it's just a reminder of youdon't know what little bit of kindness,
what little bit of love, what little bitof empathy that you give to someone else
can do for them and can change for them.
And I think now more thanever, that is so needed.
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And I think that's why, of course,right before then and since then,
all I see is stuff about Mary.
Now she's popping up, you know, um, KyleGray's been talking about her a lot,
so, and I'm still on his mailing list.
So it's a lot about Mother Mary,other spiritual people I follow.
I keep seeing Mary pop up.
and that's good because I think rightnow in our world, we need her energy.
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However she wants to show up forus or appear in this world, like we
need that energy now more than ever.
So that was my fun Mary story.
I just, I know that stuff is.
It is just, it's so magical.
I know people love to hear about thatstuff and I thank you Jaimie again for
letting me share that 'cause, I know justhearing those stories can also be very
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powerful and, life changing for peopleas well, just to help kind of repark
faith and, and just know that, whateveryou wanna call it, whatever it looks.
Life, whatever name we wanna give it,however we wanna describe how they look.
There's something there supporting us.
There's something there helping us.
And especially in times that arehard, like now, like it's okay to
lean into that and, and ask, ask to,you know, ask to be shown something.
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Ask to feel their presence, askto see a sign like they're there.
Yeah.
That's such a cool story.
I just love.
that.
And it's so funny too, 'cause likein readings, just how, like you
will forget certain things thathave happened to you until later.
But sometimes I think that'seven better because it's like, it
kind of hits a little bit, like alittle stronger and then it kind
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of connects the dots to everything.
So yeah, totally to her for Jaimieletting us, um, share that on our podcast.
That's so cool.
I love that.
we should share her information too, just'cause her work sounds very interesting.
We will.
Yes.
if you are in the Nashville area, Ihighly recommend getting a session with
her because it's been, one thing thatwas really cool is she talks about,
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she does a really, intense, uh, takein form and ask a lot of questions
about history and all these things.
One thing that was reallyinteresting that she asked was,
what do you know about your birth?
And thankfully I, I did have someinformation about that that pertained.
And she goes, you know, the first traumathat we experience as humans is birth.
And sometimes we don't realize how thatgets, even the energy just from our
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birth, if there was any kind of chaosaround that can get stuck in our fascia
and then gets stuck in our energy.
Yeah.
And so that was really fascinating.
And the stuff that she's workedon, me, I mean, I notice right away
I, I stand up taller afterwards.
I just, from the stress of moving andmoving to a new city and all of that,
even though it's all good and lovely,like I just was feeling heaviness in
(15:20):
my or field and like, you know, I, Ifelt like doing readings and stuff.
I had to kind of work.
It was a little harder tokind of navigate through that.
I had to push a little harder'cause I just could feel it.
She like cleared that out.
Like I, yeah, like I just, I was evenhaving some physical, stress related
pains that she gave some relief to.
(15:40):
So we, I will put herinformation in our show notes.
I highly recommend justfollowing her anyway.
cause she's, she's absolutely phenomenal.
So yeah, we will share that.
Yeah.
Awesome.
I can't wait to checkher up too, so I love it.
That's very interesting with likethe, the fascia, because even like
with the stuff I'm doing, I'm like,Hey, I'm realizing that there is
so much stored in the body, right?
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It's can be skin deep, it's spiritual.
It's like all thesethings that mix together.
So yeah.
Can wait to check out her,her whole thing, what she does
'cause that, and even with
Yeah, that's a great, that's a greatpoint with like what you're, you know,
you're going to school for and you'redoing, like she did the work and
then, and most of it, you know, is.
You're just silent.
You know, you don't have tobe, you know, you can talk.
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But she also channels the whole time.
And she was getting like, and thestuff that was coming through for
her, for me was like, whoa, youknow, like right on the money.
So it's, I mean, just for you, like, asyou kind of figure out how you wanna,
uh, take what you're learning and thenmeld that with your spiritual work,
there's definitely a pathway for it.
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Yeah, no, it's, it's so interestingtoo, 'cause like with what
I'm doing and finding that.
Like when I'm massaging, and especiallyif I'm like someone's open to it, then I
can kind of go into that more with them.
since I'm in school right now, it'slike, it's not gonna be everybody that
I get, but the people that are open toit have been really receptive to it.
But it's just interesting workingon the body because you'll go into
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certain areas and I'll start seeingcertain images and stories or
memories or things that have happened.
To that person.
And yeah, it's like we're just, wework our bodies record these, these
moments and you know, absolutely.
Some of that can be good and someof that can really have an effect on
our lives and like how we're tryingto move forward or, you know, right.
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And things like that.
Right.
So.
It's just, it's really cool.
So
yeah, like one thing I noticed aboutmyself that I, I can guarantee everyone
out there listening can relate is likeI didn't realize, just I've had a lot of
life changes happen over the past manyyears at this point, but I didn't realize
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how much my energy and how much I kind ofwas almost holding my breath or clenching
my teeth all the time just because I wasjust prepared for the next shoe to drop.
And I think.
Even now in the world that we live inwith all the chaos, a lot of us might
just be in that space anyway because itjust seems like every day there's 18 more
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crazy things that are about to happen andeverything's falling apart it feels like.
So it was just to kindof pay attention to that.
It doesn't mean you can.
It doesn't mean you can't do thator whatever, but to be aware of it.
Then maybe realize like, okay,do I need to be in a defense or
in a survival energy right now?
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Is that, is that affecting other thingsin my world that I'm not aware of?
Is that the best way for me to.
Be in this moment, is there a wayfor me to feel safe and relax and
take a breath and clench my jaw?
And you know, like, maybejust re-look at that.
So that, that to me was, um, just likeyou were saying things that get stored
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and the way that our body just naturallyracks to whatever our experience is.
that for me was just, that was superbeneficial to have a little more awareness
about, about how that affects me.
Yeah, no, for sure.
Very fascinating.
I I love all that.
Okay, so I'm gonna share a littlebit too, like of what I've had
experiences with Mary Energy.
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when you were telling the storyof Jaimie too, just like even her
childhood and stuff, I was like,yeah, that's very interesting.
So I personally, when I was younger,I think it was probably, It's kind
of nice in a way, having moved somany times in my life because I can
almost like time block like, oh yeah.
Of my life.
It was in, it's like not great in someother ways too, but so when I was around,
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I probably was right, like six or seven.
I remember.
Starting to just like see Mary.
And it was interesting 'causeit was more like visual.
It kind of felt likealmost like a hologram.
And so I remember I would just see thisimage of her and I would talk to her and
I just always felt very connected to her.
Very like, warm energy.
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like when I was growingup, I had a lot of.
Different family dynamics thatkind of made my life stressful.
So from a very young age, I had toreally step into like a mothering role.
and so I, that's partially why I feelalso that I had that strong connection
with her because I personally neededto be mothered and my mom was there
too and stuff, but It was more so thatwith my dad that there was issues.
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So like right.
You know, when you're, especially whenyou're the oldest child, oftentimes
in these situations, like you endup being the person that kind of
carries the other half of everything.
And so that's definitelywhat happened to me.
but with her energy, I just rememberfeeling just so like comforted
and having someone to talk to.
and then one day my Guido, which is mygrandfather who passed away recently,
he saw me just talking to someoneand he said, who are you talking to?
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And I said, oh, talking to Mother Mary.
And he was just like, what?
Because he is also Catholic, right?
So to him that was like,what the heck kind of thing.
And so that always stuck with himto that memory of me talking to her.
But.
from a young age, I just feltthis strong connection to her.
I, of course, also grew up inmore of a Catholic atmosphere.
Kind of mentioned this before.
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My mom was a little bit more of theblack sheep of the family in terms of.
How she saw things spiritually.
She was a little bit moreopen to things for sure.
So I kind of got a mix of thoseworlds together growing up.
But of course in like my grandparents'house, especially even in our
house, there's like pictures ofMary and Jesus everywhere and
angels and things like that.
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And so there was always kindof that imagery that went
along with everything as well.
and even to this day, like.
I have this picture of MotherMary that was in my Guido's
room that I have now in my room.
Mm-hmm.
And so I just like her energy.
I just love keeping it closeto me because it was definitely
something that felt comforting.
Even as I grew up and into my teens.
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I always felt like that was someone Icould kind of like tap into energetically,
even if I wasn't feeling spiritualand I never really was religious.
I actually kind of felt apush away from it just because
of the structure of things.
And seeing how things work.
In fact, actually, I don't know,I've told this story before, but
when I was younger and I would haveto go to Catholic church, I used to
just sit and judge people's shoes.
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So as they would walk to go get communion,I'd be like, beautiful, ugly, stupid.
Ew.
Very nice.
I like it.
Like I just like would have thesecommentaries of judging people's shoes
because I just, I couldn't, I couldnever like connect to being there.
You know what I mean?
Right.
Which I find hilarious becauseit's like, so like a judging
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mentality to be a church.
Right.
So like with Mother Mary Energytoo, I just think like where you
were saying there's so much goingon right now in the world and I feel
like she's an energy that comes.
To people at these like really difficulttimes, like when you think even like
the story of what she went through interms of having to watch her son, die
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in that way and be ridiculed to things.
Like that's the kind of thing that.
It's so hard to go through.
I can't even imagine, and I think somany people, like people are going
through loss or they've lost a child.
She's often the first energy to kindof come in there and be with you.
I see her a lot too.
Just even hearing stories and justfeeling things too with people that
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I've experienced, she comes towardsthe end of life as well, so she's
there kind of as a, as a guide to kindof help people move through this life
into the next stage of their, theirenergy and their soul and all that.
And yeah, there's just somuch beauty in her energy and.
Oftentimes it's very much so taking careof children and mothering the mother,
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that kind of energy, and being thereif you haven't really experienced that
mothering energy or maybe you havedisconnection with your own mother or
certain female energies in your life.
which I think oftentimes too, likejust in general for women, especially
when they have female relationships,they're not always the most healthiest.
We've kind of come to This wholething in the world sometimes too are
like women don't support each other.
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Right?
It's very competitive.
And so I feel like she can alsobe someone to step in and kind of
fulfill that for a lot of people too.
And that can be really foranybody, but that's just kind
of an example and they're just.
So many different references.
References of her in history too.
Like it's not just the Bible,like it's kind of in everything.
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Um, I know the Quran has like awhole chapter with her in it, but
her name is, I think it's likeMiriam or something like that.
So it's just interesting to seehow it, she can cross reference
and I feel like her presence is.
Very omnipresent.
Like she can be in so many differentplaces at once, which is like,
that's what spirit is, right?
right.
There are just so manystrong like instances of it.
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Like just encourage everybodyif you're interested.
Like just even searching likethe stories of her, I think it's
called, I think they called likethe Marion or Miriam or something.
stories where there's just different.
And things that have been, some of'em have been like really deeply
investigated and are like, actuallytaken seriously by the Catholic church.
Take that for what you will, but, whichI think is interesting though, like
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there has to be so many like things thathave evidence that they will consider
to be, actually a thing that happened.
A lot of people.
Will smell like roses or liliesor a smell that they can't quite
distinguish, but it's supposed to bemore of like a sweet kind of smell
when they're kind of in her energy.
Or another one that I thought wasinteresting is baked breads, especially
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in European instances when theypeople kind of feel into her energy or
have seen her, a lot of like healingthings that have happened as well.
So I just think her energy is areally beautiful energy to tap into
If you're just feeling alone or You'rejust having a hard time with life,
when there's so much going on in theworld, so much sadness and desperation
and all these different things.
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Like she's someone who youcan really just call in.
and to me what I liked abouther was like, yes, she has like
context into certain religions.
But at the same time, she's been somuch everywhere in the world that
it's like it breaks those barriersand it's a very loving energy
that doesn't have judgment to it.
It's, it's just like, to me avery beautiful grounding energy.
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So
yeah, and I think that's what shewas trying to show me is that it's
not about the religion that man hasbuilt, it's about how spirit comes
into this life, how spirit affectsour life, how spirit inspires us
through these types of energies.
Right.
Because she was really leaningin on like, she's just.
Part of this type of energy that's reallypowerful and all the examples and things
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that you just said that really representher, you know, that, that, that feeling
of what the most idealistic, nurturingmother energy would be that we would need
that those are great things to call her infor, like that kind of support and stuff.
I did see her once.
No, I've, I remembered this now thatwe're, I don't know if the church ever
confirmed that this was one of the truesightings, but when I was, probably
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in junior high, we went, uh, took afamily trip down to Florida and, some
of you maybe remember this, maybe not.
she in, oh gosh, where was it?
Clearwater, Florida, she, there wasa bank that, it was a glass building
and an apparition of her had appearedand it looked like, I mean, it was a,
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it was probably a five story buildingand the entire thing was glass and
the whole thing was an image of her.
And, it looked like, an oil slickthat was on like iridescent, like it
looked like the oil slick that wouldbe on the ground, you know, like the
purples and the greens and the blues.
Yeah.
But it was just on the side ofthis bank, in this whatever.
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And there was like, in the parking lotthere was like candle vigils and Wow.
And all the things.
And so we did go see her.
So I did see that.
I don't know if the church everconfirmed that it was her, but.
I, as I've, as I've shared on here, andI know, you know, um, I've been working
on a card deck of divine beings andMary is one of the cards of mine and I,
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so I incorporated a little bit of thatiridescence to like what she's wearing.
And so if, if you ever seea now, you'll know why.
It's because I saw her in a,a bank in Clearwater, Florida.
Awesome.
I know those like sightings that are.
Interesting are like the ones that arelike in a sandwich or a toast or a latte,
like Jesus toast.
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That's
awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's good.
So yeah, this was, I thought this would bea fun thing to talk about because I know
just a lot of people connect with her anda lot of people are familiar with her.
And, I know there's a lot of peoplein the spiritual space like me,
whether it's because of the reasonsthat I have or for other reasons.
it's hard to sometimes feel opento connect to these things that we
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have so closely tied to religions.
so as you all know, Ijust moved to the south.
I am from the northern part of theUnited States, and not that things are
like wildly different, but there is.
Definitely a different, there's a lotmore religious trauma down here and the
religions that are down here, and it'snot that other ones don't, it's just,
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it's a little more apparent here that, um,sometimes it can be weaponized and it's
used in a very, you know, unhealthy way.
And so people that are growing throughthat are trying to heal from that.
For whatever that reason is.
They can have a hard time to like openup to these things that are still there.
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And even if, you know, they wereinterpreted one way by men and not
a great way, it doesn't mean thatlike the essence of that energy you
can't still connect with and the,and the love and the compassion.
That really is the true.
Essence of what Spirit is and what Godis and whatever you wanna call it, it is
just love and compassion and that's it.
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Everything else is just how you know.
We've tried to interpret it based uponthe things that have happened here.
You know, when they're putting thesebooks together and these ideas together
is how it should, how it should berun, and who should be controlled, but.
Yeah.
so I think it's just, I think it's agood, it's good to talk about these
things because I know a lot of peopleneed to hear that, and I, especially
when things feel so chaotic and, andlost, you know, just to know that
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it's, you know, it's not all hopeless.
Yeah, for sure.
And then even like I was sayingtoo, I think the thing that's
really interesting about her is likeseeing that different cultures like.
She's in Afro-Caribbean, like cultures,indigenous cultures, um, Hindu,
like, there's just, it's in so manydifferent spaces that I feel like
right when you're going through thosemoments of trying to heal through like
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that trauma and stuff, I feel like.
She's like a good space to be in.
Right?
I feel like it's more of a safe space,unconditional love kind of thing.
There's no condition attached to herenergy, which I think is so beautiful.
Right?
Yeah, definitely.
Like look into if you'refeeling like that too.
And like even this conversation, Ithink for some people could be a little
bit almost triggering in a way becauseit's like you do have these sometimes
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context of what you remember in yourlife, or you know, certain religions or
judgements that were put onto you, right.
From those associated religions, so,
right, because even the, historically,and obviously scholars and archeologists
and all of that, they just have theirbest opinion based upon the science
and the work that they've done.
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So I'm just sharing what I've, what I'veheard, it doesn't, you know, if this
doesn't resonate with you, it doesn't.
But, when.
In history when, when Christianity wasbecoming more of the main religion that
was going to be a part of the RomanEmpire, they had to, to get, make it
easy for everyone to be a part of it.
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They had to take some piecesfrom other religions that were
big at the time and incorporatethem into parts of Christianity.
That's why there's the argument aboutJesus' birthday, because that date and
some things associated with that was.
Connected to a Persian God that wasreally popular in Rome during that time.
Another god that was very popular in Romeduring that time was Isis from Egypt.
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And the imagery of her holding thebaby, that was really big so that
that part needed to get passed downbecause that's just part of what these
things are that we're connecting with.
And Mary represented the energy of that.
Right?
So that's like.
Even though it was borrowed andmaybe made to fit into this new
religion that came into place,that is now what we're living in.
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It doesn't mean that it thatone's wrong or one's right.
It's just, it's, it's back to kind ofwhat I was being shown was it's about
the energy of that part of source.
And that has been represented throughmany different cultures, through many
different ways, through many differentnames, through many different imagery.
but you can still connect to that.
So even if.
You know, Mary herself and thestory connected with that you don't
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connect with, there are other waysthat you can still connect to that,
that that energy of compassionand that and that motherly energy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, thank you for listening everybody.
If you have any Mother Marystories, definitely let us know
because I think a lot of people do.
She's everywhere.
So,
yes.
Alright, everyone take care and wewill catch you on the next episode.
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